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Comments by "robs2020" (@sbor2020) on ""A POISON Pill At Heart Of UK Problems!" | Reform UK Chair On Leaving The ECHR Over Migrant Crisis" video.

Populist politicians often claim to care about the people, but their actions can suggest otherwise. While they may address issues that resonate with voters, such as immigration or economic inequality, their primary goal is often to gain power and maintain support. For instance, Reform UK may highlight popular grievances, but this can be seen as a strategy to capitalise on public sentiment rather than a genuine concern for citizens. Ultimately, their focus tends to be on self-interest, using people's emotions and needs as tools for political gain rather than fostering meaningful change.
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@miniward9182 Eight years after the referendum, and there’s still confusion. The EU and the Council of Europe, which oversees the ECHR, are completely separate institutions. The Brexit vote was about leaving the EU, not ditching human rights protections. By pushing to leave the ECHR, you're moving the goalposts to reject anything 'European,' even protections that safeguard your own rights. For example, the ECHR has defended workers’ rights, prevented unlawful surveillance, and upheld the right to a fair trial. Why would we want to strip these protections away from ourselves?
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You mean the "Brexit freedoms"? So if Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow, which one of your newfound freedoms would you miss the most?
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@straightouttacornwall Explain why you think that!
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We shouldn't ignore the European Court of Human Rights, or its convention. These protections exist for all UK citizens, ensuring fairness, dignity, and justice. If we strip rights from asylum seekers, what's stopping them from being taken from others in the future? For example, the ECHR has helped protect victims of domestic abuse, safeguard free speech, and ensure fair trials. Removing these protections, even for one group, weakens the rights we all depend on. Human rights shouldn't be conditional."
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@fredsmith5473 A populist government can be "unpopular". There is a difference between populism and popular.
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@straightouttacornwall Reform UK is a nationalist party not a conservative party . A definition: in essence, conservatism in England is the belief in preserving traditional institutions, promoting gradual change, and prioritising stability, individual responsibility, and limited government intervention in economic and social affairs. Although it may some ideological overlaps with the Conservative Party and conservatism, Reform UK's core focus on nationalism, particularly in terms of sovereignty, immigration, and identity politics, distinctly marks it as a nationalist party. This alignment with nationalist principles.
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@jem7450 Explain why. I certainly think the UK has a permanent seat on the Security Council. I agree with giving that up because the UK is not the great power that it was. Maybe Germany should take it as it is more of a peacekeeper in the UN.
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Populist politicians often claim to care about the people, but their actions can suggest otherwise. While they may address issues that resonate with voters, such as immigration or economic inequality, their primary goal is often to gain power and maintain support. For instance, Reform UK may highlight popular grievances, but this can be seen as a strategy to capitalise on public sentiment rather than a genuine concern for citizens. Ultimately, their focus tends to be on self-interest, using people's emotions and needs as tools for political gain rather than fostering meaningful change.
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That's a narrow view! Love for Britain isn’t limited to those born here. Many immigrants share a strong commitment to the country and its values. They contribute to society in various ways, from the economy to community service. Excluding people based on their origin ignores the rich diversity that strengthens Britain. Love for a nation can come from anyone who actively supports and contributes to it, regardless of where they were born. I am sure Zia's parents would agree.
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@abazely2743 In the way you believe we have a two-tier police and justice system, no. The idea of a two-tier system in the UK is a misconception. While some may argue that white rioters were treated more harshly than Muslim individuals, the reality is that systemic biases exist that disproportionately affect ethnic minorities, like Black and South Asian communities, in policing and judicial outcomes. Stop-and-search statistics show that these groups face greater scrutiny. It's important to recognise that disparities in treatment often stem from broader societal issues rather than a deliberate two-tier system. Instead of framing it as a racial divide, we should focus on addressing the underlying inequalities in law enforcement and justice.
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@soosoobear Lord HawHaw is back!
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@straightouttacornwall While "common sense" may seem appealing, Gramsci argued that it's often based on unexamined beliefs that uphold the status quo. Instead, we should strive for "good sense," which involves critical thinking and questioning the dominant narratives. In politics, especially in the House of Commons, we need leaders who promote deeper understanding and awareness to drive meaningful change, rather than just relying on popular but superficial ideas.
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@glennmoreland6457 I don't get what you mean. Please explain. I am not a Labour, Tory or LibDem supporter, so bear that in mind.
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@Rory_B_Bellowes Picture books for you, is it? Come back when you've learnt to read and write.
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@BeverleyDay-dk9cm Didn't the Tories create this mess? Compare 3,025 days since the referendum and 1,707 days since exiting, and 88 days since the current government took charge.
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Straight out of the Populist playbook: feign care and empathy for your supporters . Populist leaders often present themselves as champions of the ordinary people, feigning deep concern for their struggles, grievances, and hardships. They claim to understand and share the frustrations of their supporters, even if their actual policies or actions do little to alleviate these issues. This emotional connection builds loyalty. Reform Party leaders are looking out for their self-interest, not ours.
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Jeesuss, if Reform is the answer, you're asking the wrong question!
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Why would anyone want to withdraw people's only protection against the state unless it was for immoral reasons? You need to explain!
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What do you call people who repeat a party line without a clue what they are talking about? "Two legs bad, four legs good!" "Leave ECHR" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@susanjackett9268 I will put it simply: you didn't know what you voted for in 2016! It's simple because you got what you voted for ! The Brexit promises in the 2019 Tory manifesto : Leave the EU. ✔ Introduce a points based system. ✔ Based on skills and not origin. ✔ End freedom of movement. ✔ Boost legal migration for those who make the biggest contribution. ✔ What changes did you expect from Brexit that haven't occurred ?
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@abazely2743 How so?
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@birdlover7690 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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@miniward9182 After eight years you still don't understand Brexit!
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@michellewhittaker4687 So if Britain rejoined the EU tomorrow, which one of your newfound freedoms would you miss the most?
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@thosethatknowwillcontinuet5206 It’s important to clarify that while the Magna Carta is significant, the ECHR is not based on it; it was created in response to the human rights violations of World War II. Creating a new bill of rights to protect 'British interests' raises concerns about the definition of those interests. Human rights are complex, and holding a referendum on such issues, especially when many people may not fully understand them, can lead to oversimplification and misinformation. Frequent referenda, like those favoured by Farage, can create confusion and instability rather than informed debate. Significant changes to our rights should be made thoughtfully, with a clear understanding of their implications.
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@abazely2743 Nice slogan, but I don't quite follow. Could you explain what you mean by 'identity politics trumps plebiscite'? Are you suggesting that identity-based concerns are overtaking democratic decision-making processes, or do you see them as reshaping how people vote in plebiscites? Does this mean elections generally?
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@abazely2743 Are you the Stasi or something? I asked you to explain your comment, and all you do is ask questions. I don't know all the stuff right-wing conspiracists know, and having a life I am not going to find out.
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@janicebirch7522 It’s important to challenge the narrative you're pushing here. Refugees and asylum seekers don’t come to the UK to "abuse" its freedom or sovereignty; they’re often fleeing war, persecution, or human rights violations. The UK, like other nations, has international obligations to provide sanctuary under the Refugee Convention. It’s unfair to generalise that all who seek refuge expect the UK to fund their lives indefinitely. Many are eager to work and contribute once allowed. We should be careful not to oversimplify a complex issue and label vulnerable people in such a way. By voting to exit the EU, you effectively voted to leave behind the Dublin Regulation, which allowed the UK to return asylum seekers to the first EU country they entered. Once outside the EU, that returns policy no longer applied. The previous UK government was slow to negotiate new bilateral agreements to replace this system, meaning the Brexit you supported - and the government's push to "get Brexit done" - ironically worsened the immigration issue by removing a key mechanism for managing asylum claims across Europe. This has complicated efforts to control immigration, not solved them.
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Usual Reform UK lies. Who voted to leave the ECHR in 2016? 🤣
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It's concerning that many who support the populist right seem so focused on negativity. Rarely do we hear a positive vision for the future - just one built on division and exclusion. The constant negativity is fed by radical right-wing figures who prey on insecurities, paranoia, and misinformation. This leads to extreme reactions like labelling people ‘traitors,’ scapegoating vulnerable minorities, and spreading false conspiracy "fictions" - such as the idea that the WEF controls governments or that white British citizens are becoming ‘second-class.’ Meanwhile, many continue to vote for politicians who are actively working to strip away hard-won rights, like labour protections and human rights, by pushing to leave the ECHR. It’s as if this movement has become less of a political ideology and more like a radical right-wing cult.
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What has he done to back pedal?
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@MrJohnnyseven Yes, it's true that we had rights before the ECHR, but it’s essential to understand why the ECHR was established. It was created in the aftermath of World War II as a direct response to the atrocities and human rights violations that occurred during that time, including mass deportations and the absence of fundamental protections. It was a commitment to ensure that such horrors would never happen again. For instance, the ECHR has provided vital protections against torture, inhumane treatment, and unlawful detention. It has also upheld the rights of individuals in cases of discrimination and freedom of expression. Without the ECHR, there would be a significant risk of eroding these protections, which are designed to safeguard the rights of all individuals, particularly the most vulnerable in our society. Ignoring this history means disregarding the lessons learned from our past. What specific rights did you have before the ECHR that you believe would still be protected without it, and how do you think those rights would be enforced in today's context ?
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@MrJohnnyseven What specific rights did you have before the ECHR that you believe would still be protected without it, and how do you think those rights would be enforced in today's context?
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@soosoobear Wakey, wakey! You haven't yet explained which human rights Starmer and the Labour government have been taken away from you in the last 87 days. Could you be talking about the rioters prosecuted under the Public Order Act 2023? As I wrote on GB News post in October 2022: The Public Order Bill that is going through Parliament seeks to take away your freedom of assembly . Or you could be talking about the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022. As I wrote, again on GB News post in December 2021: You can always demonstrate. Oh no, you won't be able to if the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill is passed into law. If you do demonstrate, you could face a four-year prison sentence. GB News is not interested in this So once again, which human rights have Starmer and the Labour government taken away from you in the last 87 days?
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@soosoobear You are clearly a far-right false patriot that seeks to vote to strip British citizens of their human rights protections, which are those that shield them from the state. The only people advocating to leave the ECHR are a section of the capitalist class, the politicians they fund, and people like you that have been misled by the grifters and spread false information. I challenge you to provide a single valid reason - other than your obvious prejudiced one - for why leaving the ECHR is a good idea. Day 88: which human rights have been taken from the UK?
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@soosoobear A far-right false patriot seeks to vote to strip British citizens of the human rights protections, those that shield them from the state. The only people advocating to leave the ECHR are a section of the capitalist class, the politicians they fund, and those who are misled by grifters spreading false information. I challenge you to provide a single valid reason - other than a prejudiced one - for why leaving the ECHR is a good idea.
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@soosoobear You are clearly a far-right false patriot that seeks to vote to strip British citizens of the human rights protections, those that shield them from the state. The only people advocating to leave the ECHR are a section of the capitalist class, the politicians they fund, and those that have been misled by grifters spreading false information. I challenge you to provide a single valid reason - other than a prejudiced one - for why leaving the ECHR is a good idea. Day 88 - which human rights have been taken away from the UK?
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@soosoobear A far-right false patriot that seeks to vote to strip British citizens of the human rights protections that shield them from the state. The only people advocating to leave the ECHR are a section of the capitalist class, the politicians they fund, those that have been misled by grifters, and spreadin false information. I challenge you to provide a single valid reason - other than your obvious one - for why leaving the ECHR is a good idea. Day 88: Tell us which human rights have been taken from the UK!
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@soosoobear A false patriot that seeks to vote to strip British citizens of the human rights protections, those that shield them from an authoritarian state. The only people advocating to leave the ECHR are a section of the capitalist class, the politicians they fund, those that have been misled by grifters, and spreading false information. I challenge you to provide a single valid reason - other than your obvious one - for why leaving the ECHR is a good idea. Day 88 : Tell us which human rights have been taken from the UK!
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@soosoobear With free speech must come responsibility! While free speech allows individuals to express their opinions, it doesn't give them the right to lie or spread misinformation. When people make false or unsubstantiated claims, especially about serious issues like human rights, it not only misleads others but can also damage trust in public discourse.
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@soosoobear So to claim that the Labour government has stripped the UK of its human rights within 88 days is serious, but it's important to support such statements with evidence. So far, you haven't been able to provide a single specific example to support your claim. This lack of evidence undermines your so-called argument and illustrates why free speech requires accountability. Misleading statements can cause unnecessary fear and confusion, particularly in political debates.
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@soosoobear Free speech should not be weaponised to spread falsehoods; instead, it should encourage constructive and fact-based discussions.
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@soosoobear Without the oversight of the ECHR, there could be a rise in unchecked government power, leading to potential abuses. While the idea of leaving the ECHR might seem appealing to you, it could fundamentally undermine the rights and freedoms that many people in the UK rely on.
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@straightouttacornwall Populism isn't just a label for the right; it's a political approach that can exist on both ends of the spectrum. At its core, populism emphasises the struggle between 'the people' and 'the elite,' advocating for the needs of ordinary citizens. Left-wing populists like Bernie Sanders in the U.S. and Syriza in Greece address issues such as economic inequality and social justice. Meanwhile, right-wing populists may focus on nationalism and anti-immigration sentiment. It's important to recognize that the term 'populism' describes a style of politics that can resonate across various ideologies, depending on the context and specific issues being addressed.
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@straightouttacornwall REMOVE THIS COMMENT! You haven't been able to respond to my two replies. Reform is clearly a nationalist party, and no amount of whitewashing will change that. To claim that populism is merely a term of abuse used by the right is absolute nonsense.
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@straightouttacornwall You far-right cultists will no doubt vote for populist grifters that will strip you of vital safeguards.
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What are your reasons? We should consider evidence rather than empty rhetoric! No one has ever been able to answer the question or explain and provide evidence of what exactly the WEF does that makes your life worse off. Sure the WEF appears shadowy, yet this unelected powerful group is merely an interest group for global capitalists. Now is the problem regulation to capitalism, or is it the capitalist system itself that puts profits before human needs?
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Voting reform in the UK and leaving the ECHR won't "stop the boats." Instead, these changes risk benefiting multi-millionaire oligarchs by deregulating workers' rights and stripping civil liberties. First, addressing irregular migration requires comprehensive policies tackling root causes, not just legal reforms. For example, focusing on international cooperation and support for countries facing crises would be more effective. Second, deregulation can lead to exploitation of workers, allowing corporations to prioritise profit over fair wages and safe conditions. This further widens the wealth gap, benefiting the wealthy while harming ordinary workers. Lastly, leaving the ECHR could weaken protections for vulnerable groups, eroding civil liberties. This would disproportionately affect those who rely on these protections, rather than solving the immigration issue. In short, these reforms may distract from real solutions and empower those who profit from inequality. 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
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Are seriously asking that question? If so, then you are another one that does not understand Brexit.
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The UK is in Europe! Know your geography.
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Actually, Brexit has been implemented – the UK left the EU in 2020, and the transition period ended that year. We’re no longer part of the single market or customs union, meaning we face trade barriers with the EU, and freedom of movement is gone. What some people call "incomplete" is really the fact that Brexit's promised benefits haven’t materialised as expected. Trade deals with non-EU countries haven’t made up for the losses from leaving the EU, and key sectors like fishing and farming are struggling due to new regulations. Brexit isn't waiting to be "tried" – we're living it.
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Blaming the failure of Brexit on "remain" governments ignores the fact that Brexit was fully implemented by a pro-Brexit government under Boris Johnson. He removed the Tory Whip from 21 MPs who supported softer versions of Brexit and pushed for a hard break from the EU. Since then, the UK has faced issues like trade disruptions, worker shortages, and economic instability, which are direct consequences of leaving the single market and customs union. The challenges we face aren’t sab0tage – they’re the predictable outcomes of the kind of Brexit that was chosen.
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@growlinggrowler-c2v Blaming the failure of Brexit on "remain" governments ignores the fact that Brexit was fully implemented by a pro-Brexit government under Boris Johnson. He removed the Tory Whip from 21 MPs who supported softer versions of Brexit and pushed for a hard break from the EU.
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@growlinggrowler-c2v What specific aspects of Brexit do you think are still waiting to be implemented, and how do you believe those changes would improve the situation for the UK?
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How is he "dragging us back"?
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