Comments by "robs2020" (@sbor2020) on "The Independent" channel.

  1. Taxi for Coffey!
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  2. Seek Kyle! Vile.
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  3. Calling Sir Keir Starmer a “traitor” is a divisive and, frankly, damaging label that doesn't foster productive discussion about his policies or the future of the UK. Disagreeing with his views or approach is one thing – healthy debate is the foundation of democracy. But using loaded terms like “traitor” isn’t helpful; it only drives people further apart. True patriotism isn’t about attacking political opponents with inflammatory language. It’s about caring enough to have real discussions about what’s best for the country, even if that means calling out those on “our side” when they go too far. Criticise his policies all you want – by all means, express dissent. But let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves. Division and anger won’t lead to the progress we all want, no matter our political stance.
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  4. The more unkempt his hair, the more trouble he is in or hoping to get out of.
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  5. 0:38 Rumbled!!
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  6. Gall, not the region the Romans called France, and Luxembourg.
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  7. Calling Sir Keir Starmer a “traitor” is a divisive and, frankly, damaging label that doesn't foster productive discussion about his policies or the future of the UK. Disagreeing with his views or approach is one thing – healthy debate is the foundation of democracy. But using loaded terms like “traitor” isn’t helpful; it only drives people further apart. True patriotism isn’t about attacking political opponents with inflammatory language. It’s about caring enough to have real discussions about what’s best for the country, even if that means calling out those on “our side” when they go too far. Criticise his policies all you want – by all means, express dissent. But let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves. Division and anger won’t lead to the progress we all want, no matter our political stance.
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  8.  @bengoodhind8595  The truth doesn’t hurt when it’s delivered thoughtfully and backed by reason. What concerns me is when opinions are framed with labels meant to provoke rather than foster understanding. Healthy debate can lead to progress, but only if it’s built on mutual respect. Let’s try to keep the discussion on policies and ideas so we can genuinely explore what’s best for the future of our country.
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  9. This suggest a disregard for moral considerations, as if you operate in a space untouched by ethical concerns.
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  10. YOU WANT ZERO INCOME TAX AND YOUR COUNTRY BACK! What a selfish little man; go and live on a another planet, spare us your vanities, and leave us alone.
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  11. Sir Kier Starmer? Calling Starmer a “traitor” is a divisive and, frankly, damaging label that doesn't foster productive discussion about his policies or the future of the UK. Disagreeing with his views or approach is one thing – healthy debate is the foundation of democracy. But using loaded terms like “traitor” isn’t helpful; it only drives people further apart. True patriotism isn’t about attacking political opponents with inflammatory language. It’s about caring enough to have real discussions about what’s best for the country, even if that means calling out those on “our side” when they go too far. Criticise his policies all you want – by all means, express dissent. But let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves. Division and anger won’t lead to the progress we all want, no matter our political stance.
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  12. On what moral basis? That animal cruelty is better than plant cruelty? The structure of domination in capitalist society doesn't work this way. You could, of course, try it - but it would be an absurdity.
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  13.  @jonnycola86  Use "no one cares that you're a woman / black/ gay etc. , it's when you use anit-social campaigns." You would have been against women getting the vote, would you? And you would not challenge the dominant structures of power because inequality suits you just fine . You are simply indifferent to inequality and to the pain and suffering of creatures and the impact on the environment.
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  14. Let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves.
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  15. You, like many Tories on this forum have either don't seem to have taken it in, or not watched it . It can be boiled down to the last words: just read Capital Vol. 1.
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  16.  @bengoodhind8595  I appreciate your … erm … passion, but calling fellow citizens “traitors” simply for holding different opinions only deepens divisions and harms the democratic process we all cherish. The freedoms we commemorate on Remembrance Sunday weren’t secured so that we could label one another with such terms, but rather so we could debate openly, even in disagreement, and work toward the best for our country. Let’s honour those who gave their lives for our freedom by respecting one another's right to speak our minds without resorting to inflammatory language. I’m here for genuine discussion about policies and ideas because I believe our country deserves constructive debate – not divisions created by hurtful accusations.
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  17. Why don't you watch it?
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  18. Vile, divisive false patriot.
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  19.  @dylonjackson8863  Remember that context is everything and if had read Bubba's comment you would notice that I was responding to the adsurdity of turning the idea on its head. Nevertheless, the irony is that you are not minding your own f*ckin business by reponding to my comment. But hey ho irony is seemingly not your strong point.
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  20. ​ @dylonjackson8863  I am sure it made sense to you, but sure as hell doesn't to me. So are you saying that eating meat has a moral grounding? On what basis? On Kantian Universalist ethics: Maxim: I will eat meat whenever I want to satisfy my hunger ! Universalised maxim: Everyone should eat meat whenever they want to satisfy their hunger ! Pain and suffering of animals and the ecological carbon footprint contributes to this. As do the indifference of people to pain and suffering of creatures and the impact on the environment , because of the separation .
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  21.  @joebloggs3551  First you have to tell me where there are ethical inconsistencies. Oh this anti-Islamic one. Would the ethical dimension change were the slaughterhouse using religious methods? From the cow’s point of view, would you rather be prodded and probed with electrical bolts and put under extreme stress before being electrocuted, or your throat cut in a quick action that has no effect on the animals’ pre-slaughter well-being? Cortisol pumping in the body also affects the quality of the meat. Neither is right, but one is preferable. There is an ethical dimension to halal. However, you are more interested in your anti-Islamic agenda. As ever, you are more heat than light: more anger and resentment to the “woke brigade” than shedding any light on an issue that affects your health as well as the cruelty and exploitation of animals that cannot defend themselves.
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  22. People like you, who voted in 2016 to economically cripple the country, strip citizens of their freedoms, and turn Britain once again into 'the sick man of Europe,' have the audacity to call others traitors.
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  23. Calling Sir Keir Starmer a “traitor” is a divisive and, frankly, damaging label that doesn't foster productive discussion about his policies or the future of the UK. Disagreeing with his views or approach is one thing – healthy debate is the foundation of democracy. But using loaded terms like “traitor” isn’t helpful; it only drives people further apart. True patriotism isn’t about attacking political opponents with inflammatory language. It’s about caring enough to have real discussions about what’s best for the country, even if that means calling out those on “our side” when they go too far. Criticise his policies all you want – by all means, express dissent. But let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves. Division and anger won’t lead to the progress we all want, no matter our political stance.
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  26. Bring you evidence that Starmer is controlled by WEF as you might seem to think. I'll leave the traitor part until later. FACTs please!
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  28. Reform UK supporters are out in force on this thread, bringing a wave of negativity, unpleasantness, and unsubstantiated claims. The comments are rife with misinformation, malicious humour, and, overall, a sense of dodgy views from questionable individuals.
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  29. People like you, who voted in 2016 to economically cripple the country, strip citizens of their freedoms, and turn Britain once again into 'the sick man of Europe,' have the audacity to call others traitors.
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  30. What a tool!
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  31. How very alternative mainstream. Even John Cage said that there is a number of mainstreams. That's what I see people dressing in the garb of alternative but end up parroting conspiratorial thinking! The difference between the indie kids of the 1980's and the millenials.
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  32. It's concerning that many who support the populist right seem so focused on negativity. Rarely do we hear a positive vision for the future – just one built on division and exclusion. The constant negativity is fed by radical right-wing figures who prey on insecurities, paranoia, and misinformation. This leads to extreme reactions like labelling people ‘traitors,’ scapegoating vulnerable minorities, and spreading false conspiracies – such as the idea that the WEF controls governments or that white British citizens are becoming ‘second-class.’ Meanwhile, many continue to vote for politicians who are actively working to strip away hard-won rights, like labour protections and human rights, by pushing to leave the ECHR. It’s as if this movement has become less of a political ideology and more like a radical right-wing cult.
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  33. Calling Sir Keir Starmer a “traitor” is a divisive and, frankly, damaging label that doesn't foster productive discussion about his policies or the future of the UK. Disagreeing with his views or approach is one thing – healthy debate is the foundation of democracy. But using loaded terms like “traitor” isn’t helpful; it only drives people further apart. True patriotism isn’t about attacking political opponents with inflammatory language. It’s about caring enough to have real discussions about what’s best for the country, even if that means calling out those on “our side” when they go too far. Criticise his policies all you want – by all means, express dissent. But let’s keep the conversation grounded in facts and respect, rather than undermining the unity and respect our country deserves. Division and anger won’t lead to the progress we all want, no matter our political stance.
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  34. It started with the plan for boats to Madagascar. But the Nazis found this unworkable.
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  35. Not very pleasant, aren't you?
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  36.  @bengoodhind8595  Are you suggesting that calling Starmer a “traitor” is as valid as expressing a differing political opinion? Labelling someone a traitor goes beyond sharing an opinion – it’s a serious legal accusation. Unless supported by concrete evidence, it isn't grounded in fact but rather reflects personal resentments or political ideology.
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  37. ​ @stevencarter87  Insults are the last refuge for someone has nothing meaningful to say. Think what your beloved "Tommy" might say?
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  38.  @bengoodhind8595  Are you suggesting that making the winter fuel payment means-tested instead of universal is somehow tantamount to treason? Let’s look at this critically. Means-testing the winter fuel payment is simply a policy decision aimed at ensuring limited resources reach those who most need them. While you might disagree with this approach, labelling it as “treason” doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. Treason is a serious accusation involving betrayal of one’s country, not adjustments in public spending policies. As for your point about “young illegal men” in hotels, this language is heavily influenced by hard-right Populist rhetoric rather than by factual evidence. Many of these individuals are asylum seekers who are legally entitled to protection under international law, waiting for their cases to be processed. The idea that they’re “illegal” before due process even occurs disregards basic principles of justice and fair treatment. Let’s focus on a balanced and evidence-based conversation instead of relying on inflammatory language. Encouraging clear, fact-based dialogue is essential, especially on complex issues like welfare and immigration.
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  39. Good English is patriotic. Distract, divert and divide is what you right-wingers do.
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