Comments by "Morgan King" (@MorganKing95) on "Top 10 Movies of All Time" video.
-
57
-
36
-
32
-
12
-
12
-
10
-
9
-
9
-
7
-
6
-
Samuel Russ
Just because something's first doesn't mean it's the best. "Jaws" and "2001" may be iconic for their respective genre, but their fanbase isn't that big compared to other movies and there have been thrillers and Sci-Fi movies that have taken their achievements a step further. "Taxi Driver" however should be on this list, but I don't think it should replace "Pulp Fiction"
"Pulp Fiction" just have an originality, influence, writing, and direction that still hasn't aged badly; you've got non-linear narrative, intrigues and plots that may seem obscure at first, but you find their connection in the end, strong language, powerful delivery, and memorable quotes, colorful characters, badass soundtrack, movie and cultural references (IMDB alone lists 139 of them), and on top of it you've got the pulp magazine concept
6
-
5
-
4
-
3
-
3
-
3
-
3
-
3
-
3
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
2
-
+Stefan Marstrander
I think you're a bit confused about how aesthetic judgment works. If you haven't noticed, this list is for Top 10 BEST movies of all time, which is a completely different story than someone's favorite movies. Your personal problems with gangster movies are completely irrelevant in this context.
When evaluating a movie, critics are supposed to sense and analyze the formal qualities in the piece of art and judge how they correspond with the normative standard of what makes the execution satisfying for the average moviegoer. With that in mind, a critic can personally dislike a movie but still call it great from a critical and technical point of view.
Let's take "JFK" for example. I'm not at all interested in its topic and think the movie is overlong, but from a technical and critical point of view in terms of cinematography, music, writing, acting, aesthetics, and especially editing, I still consider it one of the greatest movies of all time
2
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
Some Guy
No, there is no right or wrong in opinions, but one thing you don't seem to know is that there is a standard of taste, based on the philosophy of the great David Hume. There are norms and principles of what makes a movie (or other pieces of art) good or bad, and there are requirements for the critics to determine if he/she is a true judge. These select few of true critics have a strong ability to sense and percept the aesthetic qualities in a piece of art, and therefore has the authority to guide and lead the general audience to the tradition of how a masterpiece is supposed to look like.
Movie critics don't judge based on personal preferences and what they are "fans" of, they operate in the tradition of what makes movies good or bad, and they set criterias to the movies based on this tradition. If the movie fullfills the critierias, their natural reaction will be that they highly enjoyed it
You're of course entitled to your opinion, but if you were going to write reviews or participate in a debate for example, chances are that the majority will say "Ok, bad for you, but nobody cares"
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
+Freckles Fer
You seem to be inexperienced with both argumentation and aesthetic judgment, so let me take you back to school:
- An opinion is by definition a normative statement, and any statement is automatically invalid without proper arguments, so the fact that you're answering a statement with statements already nullifies your credibility, and it also makes everything you've said invalid.
- Movies are autonomous and independent art forms with their own norms and principles for what make them aesthetically pleasing to the average viewer, and they're not complete imitations of reality, so the fact that you're wishing for 100% realism already implies that movies are not for you. Stick to documentaries if you want complete realism.
- You haven't said anything that is relevant for the cinematic core. Are stunts the cinematic core? No. Are story and acting the cinematic core? No! What is the cinematic core? Context! Everything that has to do with environments, themes, conflicts, culture, target audience etc., as well as how the cinematic elements affect and work together. Some unrealistic executions (again, I don't see how movies should be completely realistic in order to be aesthetically pleasing) have no effect on how the cinematic elements work together as a whole. You basically took 1 irrelevant dead fish and suddenly claim that the entire ocean is polluted.
The fact that you won't give me a proper assessment and now refuse to discuss the movie already make you lose this discussion, so your statement about "The Godfather" is now invalidated
1
-
+Freckles Fer
Again you start forcing an irrelevant dead fish down my throat and claiming that the entire ocean is polluted, and you still don't show any real knowledge about how art works. Also, if I have to choose between a photography and an oil painting, I'll definitely pick the latter.
You picked some few action and stunt scenes that have no relevance for the movie as a whole, and it is only nitpicky to even point them out in the first place (they're not facts either since you're evaluating them). You haven't said anything about the story, the acting, the analogies, metaphors, and symbolism, the music, the dramaturgy, the cinematography, or even the aesthetics. Your entire assessment is completely void of any proper evaluations about the context and the cinematic elements, and it's completely void of any real analysis.
You're just like the critics in the local newspaper where I live; looking into every minor detail looking for a flaw to judge the piece of art for, and then basing 80% of the assessment on that minor flaw. And when I tried to debate with them about their flawed aesthetic judgments, they weren't even trying. After a month of discussions with them, they haven't written a single review in almost 6 months.
There was also an old wanker who tried to criticize Robert Wilson, but obviously had no real knowledge about Avante-Garde and post-dramatic theatre, so I wrote an essay in the local newspaper criticizing him for his flawed judgment.
Nothing provokes me more than someone who hates on something without arguing for it properly.
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1
-
1