Comments by "Atzin" (@_Atzin) on "We Went on a Russian Army Propaganda Tour of Syria" video.

  1. Too many that's for sure, but that doesn't absolve Syria or Russia.
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  2.  @lordmalayanorca7943  Uhh Vice does talk about that, have you seen Vice's documentary "This Is what winning looks like"
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  3.  @CHAS1422  Troops choose to go to war, and risk their lives, civillians often don't have choice of living in a country with war. If the Syrian soldiers are going to war for Syria they should also be willing to risk their lives for the citizens of the country they are fighting for. Also I don't understand what you are trying to achieve by quoting the Hadith, are you saying that it justifies the killing of civilians by both sides? I'm a Pastafarian so I don't really care about the religious justification for killing civillians.
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  4. I don't think they are trying to argue that Assad is a worse option than instability. It's more just about the purposeful bombing of civillians
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  5.  @derek-vfx  Have you seen the documentary "This is what winning looks like"?
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  6. Excellent work killing civilians?
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  7. The problem is that, you radicalize the civilians that are left. Killing civilians gives ISIS the propaganda power to keep recruiting new soldiers. If your entire family is killed by a Russian air strike and then you are approached a by a guy saying that he can help you get revenge, more likely than not most people say yes.
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  8.  @shibbershabber  This is very different to WW2, ISIS is an insurgency not a nation. If you keep killing civilians you will keep having insurgents.
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  9.  @shibbershabber  No it's not so much about the country but the ideology. You can't defeat an ideology the same way you defeat a country.
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  10.  @linshen962  Your entire argument is based on the premise that its not possible to fight and win a war without targeting civillians.
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  11. ​ @shibbershabber  Hitler was driven by ideology but Germany and it's soldiers were more driven by nationalism, due to how they felt screwed over by the Treaty of Versailles. You are right about them maybe blaming IS for the conflict to begin with, but if the Army that is supposed to be protecting them kills their family that is going to outweigh any ill will they have towards IS. Try to put yourself in their shoes if your family is in a UN sanctioned and supported hospital, which the Russian and Syrian army are completely aware of, and then your family is killed in an airstrike do you think you are really going to care who started the conflict?
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  12.  @linshen962  Yep, and so when the UN puts out the coordinates of a hospital on a do not bomb list and then the Russian's do an airstrike on it which is it?
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  13.  @linshen962  https://youtu.be/Y75i8jNp4TY
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  14.  @linshen962  They do have strategic importance, destroying them and killing those inside incites terror in the populous, which is strategically helpful. Those hospitals were operational and full of civilians.
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  15. https://youtu.be/P2X84JZINcI
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  16. I think they are just pissed that this "victory" against terrorism is coming at the cost of civilians.
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  17.  @kristiannoetorres  From my understanding didn't the FSA start of as a secular movement for democracy in Syria? And as for the white helmets can you provide a source for that claim?
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  18. @Timmy Dragonborn Out of curiosity what exactly made you think that I was trying to make it off as the USA never having bombed civilians?
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  19. @Timmy Dragonborn Because the USA is the only country that exists now, that has killed the most civilians.
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  20.  @CHAS1422  In regards to your first argument have you heard of the 3rd amendment? It's was made to make sure that sort of thing didn't happen again. And as for outing terrorists, I think you underestimate how dangerous it would be for you and your entire family to be an informant for the military. Become an Informant and tell Syria and Russia about terrorists. Likely Outcome: Your family and friends are killed in retaliation..
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  21.  @bigphillyed  Are all Syrians in the army? I don't understand, is it not possible for a supporter of Bashar al Assad to need to go to a hospital and then die from an air strike from their own government?
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  22.  @bigphillyed  https://youtu.be/rCi-2-Flcxk https://youtu.be/Y75i8jNp4TY What about hospitals that have not been engaged in any offensive activity and have been cleared by the UN?
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  23.  @bigphillyed  You are essentially advocating for the saying that "the ends justify the means"
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  24.  @bigphillyed  If the end always justifies the means, that means you don't have any integrity, for what is right and wrong.
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  25.  @bigphillyed  Your entire argument is based upon the premise that killing civilians is necessary to bring about a quick end to the war. And while it might work in the short term it's only going to give IS more fuel to survive as an insurgency later on. This isn't a conventional war where winning means the end of fighting. What is happening will only galvanise the next generation of IS insurgents to declare war. The killing of civillians only ensures that the cycle of radicalization and conflict continues.
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  26.  @bigphillyed  You criticise me for not seeing the big picture yet ignore the fact that killing civilians will only perpetuate the conflict far into the future.
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  27.  @bigphillyed  The SOHR has attributed around 83,500 civillian casualties to Syria and Russia.
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  28.  @bigphillyed  Yes I acknowledged that are probably some hospitals that are being used by enemy combatants, but that isn't what I'm arguing about. I'm arguing about the hospitals sanctioned by the UN on a no strike list And no my issue isn't with Assad, I think that although he is a dictator he keeps stability in the region. My issue is solely with the killing of civillians. And the reason you don't see me "crying" about the thousands of civillians killed by rebels is because that's expected. They are the terrorists of course they are going to commit heinous acts, but I expect better from the supposed good guys who are fighting terrorism with terrorism... Also please lay out your arguments in seperate paragraphs, while I do appreciate the conversation we are having right now posting a whole wall of text makes it very hard to adress each of your points in a concise way.
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  29.  @bigphillyed  Have you seen the movie "Unthinkable" or "Eyes in the Sky"? Im genuinely interested how you would view them
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  30.  @caiuscaius1395  Is it really hard to no bomb a UN sanctioned hospital on a no strike list?
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  31.  @bigphillyed http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoISyria/A.HRC.27.60_Eng.pdf This report is based on 480 interviews and months of compiled documentary material, and it to concludes that the vast majority of civillians casualties have been committed by the Syrian government and their allies.
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  32.  @bigphillyed  If you aren't willing the accept any source of information to disprove your argument that the rebels have killed less civilians than the Syrian government and its allies then there is no point in continuing this conversation as you have already made up your mind and will not change it for any evidence.
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  33. Maybe so, but at what cost? The intentional targeting and killing of civillians is never ok.
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