Comments by "Peter \x26 Pete" (@PeterPete) on "Sabine Hossenfelder" channel.

Anyone who benefits from capitalism will always say capitalism is great. The majority don't benefit from capitalism!!!
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Quote - I didn't want to know anything about Flat Earthers. Scared to realise the flaws in your science? The Earth is indeed a level plane and it is only the use of mental gymnastics and man's vivid imagination that enables the Globe idea to survive. You'll realise everything when you get older, when you discover the real world!!
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@numbersix8919 Science doesn't prove anything about the natural world. When Dr H talks about the natural world she is only talking of ideas, for example the idea the Earth is a globe. I don't support that idea because I understand the Earth is a level plane. So referring me to Dr H's videos is pointless.
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Quote - helps me explain how I know what I know But how do you know what you know is true?
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In my opinion there's no hydrogen in water. Hydrogen is the release of pressure from the decomposition of man-made metals, compounds and natural materials, e.g. wood!!! Historically hydrogen was known to be 'phlogiston'.
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One will always use fossil fuels in one way or another to produce hydrogen!!!
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@numbersix8919 Well I consider the Earth to be a level plane but I do not subscribe to this 'earth accelerating upwards' idea. I'm unsure where Dr H got that idea from. Maybe she found it on the FE Society's website. Who knows? My understanding of gravity is that it's jst a word that describes the motion of falling objects but it doesn't explain why objects fall. To my knowledge nobody can prove why objects fall and hence, nobody can ever come to know why objects fall!! Bear in mind, science doesn't do proof or truth so gravity, although said to be a force or infuence causing objects to fall due to attraction (larger mass attracts smaller mass), is merely an accepted scientific theory that explains the falling motion of objects but this IDEA of gravity has never been tested to even exist in the real natural world in any scientific way! There's an awful lot about the natural world science can never know. Science can come up with IDEAS but those ideas, like gravity being an attractive force/influence, require proper testing to know they are correct! Essentially science is filled with hypotheses about the natural world that the scientific community accept as being true! However none of those hypothese have been tested to be true! That isn't science, that's skilful manipulation of information gained from observation to present people like you and me a skewed understanding of the real world!! Science has limitations with regard to the natural world and Dr H should consistently mention this in her videos! 😁
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@numbersix8919 Thank you for supporting my view. Yes I know there's no proof in science but logic sometimes isn't real so there's no proof in logic. Logic uses one's imagination!! For example I can agree on the idea of the Earth being a Globe but that isn't logical to me. You can use your imagination though to convince yourself differently. However, nobody's imagination will ever convince me the Earth is a spinning ball!!
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@tomthecasual5337 tom tom tom - what can I say - the earth being a globe is just an IDEA that numerous people want to make a reality. This is the main reason why the globe earth cannot be proven, because science can never truly come to know the true nature of the real world. Science doesn't do proof nor does it do truth. Science can only offer theories and present them in such a way that people have to BELIEVE in them. But people like you probably think differently and think science proves things and finds truth in the world/nature and thinks that it is true the earth is a globe and by looking at the sun at the equinox in 3 different positions. But you're faiing to consider the fact that everybody has to face in the same direction at that particular time and how are you going to do that? Give them all a compass? A compass that only follows the magnetic field lines at that particular location meaning that they all could be looking in different directions!! There is no proof the earth is a globe so stop believing it is!!
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Can't make this sh*t up Susan eh??
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One can't get more out of system than one puts in! End of!
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But you're stupid Sabine because you think alot of things to be true when you can't prove those things to be true!!! Take for example, water being made of hydrogen and oxygen, the shape of the Earth, air being made of constituents like oxygen, nitrogen etc.
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This video is great for the imagination!!! I've never heard so much BS in all my life!!
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Looks like man's fukced!!!!
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Quote - How close is wireless power technology? It's not close at all!! In fact it's not going anywhere!!!
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Science doesn't set out to prove anything - it can't and yet you got all these people who say they know the earth is a globe! It's sheer madness! The evidence that supports the IDEA of a globe Earth has not been ruled out to not be able to occur on a flat level plane!!
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@warmachineuk but science doesn't say it's right so there is the possibility science is wrong and in my opinion science has it wrong about a lot of things regarding the natural world!! It's very simple - you either know or you don't know; you either have the knowledge or do not have the knowledge - it really is that simple! There's no room for 'maybe' quote - After all, that I'm pulled towards the ground is an assumption only proved by evidence you cannot prove anything with evidence because evidence can be any kind of information that supports a given IDEA or scientific theory! The evidence doesn't even have to be directly related to the IDEA or scientific theory. For example the observation of a boat's hull disappearing on the horizon is evidence that supports the IDEA the Earth is a globe but this observation doesn't prove the Earth is a globe as the observation can occur on a level plane!! Ideas, just like scientific theories require testing and with a great deal of scientific theories regarding the natural world they're great ideas but lack testing so one can KNOW the idea is correct! So regarding the observation of the boat's hull disappearing an IDEA has been put forward to explain the observation and that is the Earth is a globe, but no tests have been carried out to KNOW that IDEA is correct. In many cases IDEAS are accepted as being factually true and yet science doesn't do proof nor truth! If you think I'm wrong then answer the following question Is it true that in the natural, real world the Earth is a globe?
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@tatonemio6388 cheers for replying but......... regarding your geometry, how have you determined the distances between those locations applied to a triangle do not form a triangle? What was your methodology. I'd like to know how you arrived at that conclusion. Regarding your fallacy. I don't base my view science has it wrong solely on the understanding there is a possibility science can be wrong. I'm merely pointing out the illogicality of accepting something to be the case when that something hasn't been fully tested to be the case. My argument remains valid Lastly you failed to answer my simple question. I asked ""Is it true that in the natural, real world the Earth is a globe" what's the point of doing your science if you cannot answer simple questions? Can you please answer yes or no! Cheers
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@tatonemio6388 quote - Ouch! This prove your ignorance. - there is not such a thing as "my" geometry - 3 points on a surface define a triangle - the distances are irrelevant, only the angles matter the distances are crucial because if they're incorrect then they would not form a triangle So now you have to answer yet another question - how did you measure the distances between cape verdi, paris and NY?? Quote - Yes, Earth is a globe and a planet. The same way New York is a city and a seaport. How do you know the earth is a globe and a planet when somebody like me doesn't have that knowledge? Where have you been and what have you experienced to know such things? Or have they been conjured up in your imagination?
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@tatonemio6388 i'm scratching my head here because you're not being very open and transparent regarding your methodology one minute you state the distances are unimportant but a triangle cannot be formed and now you say any distances will make up a triangle! You really need to enlighten me because if that lot goes on in your head you seem to be a very confused individual quote - Sorry, I'm not responsible for your education. Ah so you've been TOLD the earth is a globe by your educators. Wow! And there was me thinking you actually had something tangible that I could experience in the REAL world that would give me the knowledge! I certainly do not want the knowledge from other people because it's commonplace for human beings to lie whether knowingly or unknowingly!! So tell me how do you KNOW the information in your education regarding the natural world is true?
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@tatonemio6388 1) How have you managed to enable a triangle to have angles greater than 180? In my understanding the angles of a triangle will ALWAYS add up to 180. That is a law of geometry. If you think they don't then you're either skewing the interpretation of a triangle or you have serious mental health problems - which is it? 2) Your science doesn't prove anything about the natural world - it cannot prove anything and yet you have this knowledge of the Earth that's been given to you by other people to make you THINK the Earth is a globe. You present this knowledge as though it is true and I ask, how do you know this knowledge reflects the natural world? Imo your knowledge about the shape of the Earth is incorrect because the knowledge you rely upon has not been proved to be true. For anyone to place trust in the knowledge and words of other people is illogical because it is commonplace for people to lie whether knowingly or unknowingly.
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@tatonemio6388 now after all these comments he's explaining his methodology. You do realise a triangle is a 2-dimensional shape, yes? You do realise a sphere is a 3-dimensional shape, yes? So you're applying the properties of a 2-dimensional shape to a 3-dimensional object? Wow that's fukcin mad!!!! I think you need a straighjacket!!
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@tatonemio6388 quote - The surface of a sphere is 2D wow you certainly require help from somebody because now you can't understand depth to be a factor too - any point on a sphere has 3 points x,y but also z. Tell me when you attended school, did you draw triangles on pieces of paper on desks that had curved or flat tops? It's a very simple question so give it some thought before posting! Ok?
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@tatonemio6388 so your desks at school upon which you drew triangles on paper had a curved surface!! Mine were flat!! Now I know why you think the Earth's a globe and why I think the Earth is a flat level plane!!
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@XlendneryGD what do you mean by the word fact? if you think that it's a fact the earth is a globe then how do you know when science doesn't prove anything and if science doesn't know for sure earth is a globe how do you know? Don't tell, somebody told you right and that makes it a fact right?
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@XlendneryGD wow you're funny - you want to be a stand up comedian when you u get older??
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@maxfan1591 quote - When it comes to the shape of the Earth, we can say beyond reasonable doubt that it's a globe and not flat, simply due to the preponderance of evidence. Definition of Evidence "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid." Now science doesn't provide truth or proof so I guess the evidence supporting the proposition or IDEA of a globe could be viewed as valid. But tell me how does the evidence make the proposition or IDEA true? It does not. Therefore you have to admit there is the possibility the proposition or IDEA of the Earth being a globe is wrong because it does not reflect the real world! In other words it's more than possible the Earth is flat! You cannot deny this possibility of the Earth not being a globe but flat so please do not try to!! 😀😀😀
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@maxfan1591 so Max I want you to say after me ...... there is the possibility the Earth is not a globe and flat......
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@maxfan1591 cheers max! thanks for agreeing with me that it is possible the Earth is not a globe!! And that possibility remains whether reasonable or not! Your globe could be wrong and you have to accept that! a definition of evidence - any kind of information, whether true or false, that supports a proposition or idea You have to always bear in mind that it's a fact human societies are filled with lies and deceit and it is also factually true that people lie whether knowingly or unknowingly. Therefore by virtue of the above facts much of the evidence presented by science to support the idea of a globe can be a lie. On that basis it is therefore unreasonable for anybody to state the Earth is a globe! Btw empirical evidence can support the IDEAS the Earth is a globe and the Earth is flat. But we both know the Earth cannot be both globe and flat? One of us is wrong
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@maxfan1591 sorry I thought you had deleted your comments but maybe you just haven't replied!! I'm so looking forward to your rebuttal!!
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@maxfan1591 Whichever way you look at it, you cannot escape the fact the evidence you have, whether bona fide or total BS, can only support the IDEA the earth is a globe. It doesn't matter the source of the evidence either; prof dave, nasa, brian cox, a university etc. Nobody can prove the Earth is a globe Now this IDEA is palmed off in schools, media, higher education establishments etc as being true! Big problem because there exists the possibility it is untrue It's morally wrong to be doing this because susceptible people like you get drawn into this from a young age and in doing so are unable to connect with the real world!! People like you end up thinking an IDEA about the natural world is real, when the truth is science can never come to know the real world because it doesn't do truth nor does it do proof!! It's like you're living in the real world but imagining you're somewhere else!! I don't want to live a lie!
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@maxfan1591 YT often has glitches in its comments! it would appear!
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@maxfan1591 quote - The idea that the Earth is a globe is so well established that everything requiring sufficient precision is based on the Earth's globiness, and it works The point you're missing is that the globe is only an IDEA and always will be! It's irrespective how much evidence you have or the numbers of people who support it, the Earth being a globe will always remain an IDEA!!! People like yourself only THINK the Earth is a globe but does that IDEA reflect the real world - well it cannot unless the IDEA can be proved to be true. But science doesn't do proof or truth!! Comprende??
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@maxfan1591 you're slowly realising I hope that all your chums have done over the past few hundred years or so is build a MODEL of the natural world for you to BELIEVE in!!
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@maxfan1591 quote - No, I get the point. And so does every scientist, every historian of science and every philosopher of science. You haven't uncovered something nobody ever thought of before. why then do people think the model is true? why is it taught in schools to be true? why does nasa build rockets/satellites and launch them? why do people talk so much about colonising Mars? Why is there the ISS? Why all this when you only got a model or IDEA? Oh probably because people WANT it to be true because not only does the model not reflect the real world but the people who support the globe idea have mental health issues! quote - In the case of the shape of the Earth, the model of "Earth is a globe" matches reality extremely closely. Therefore the model is considered to be a close match for reality. Tks but you're basically saying that you are creating a reality. Nobody can create the real world or ever come to know the real world. This is why the globe cannot reflect the real world and only exists in one's imagination! quote - Stop getting hung up on the existence of a difference between reality and the model, there exists a clear difference between the real world and the globe model - the real world stares one right in the face and one lives it everyday whereas the globe model exists in one's imagination because it's ONLY a model or IDEA! If you wish to continue through life THINKING that what's in your imagination is true then feel free. I'm very happy to live in the real world and live life learning through my own experiences than other peoples!! But let me warn you nobody can evade the real world, so watch out! The real world will creep up on you when you least expect it and trust me, you will not enjoy the experience becase escaping in your model tells me you're scared of something and that something has got to be the real world!!
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@maxfan1591 with regard to science - the scientific method does not need to be directly connected to the scientific theory it is supposed to support. For example a candle's flame burning in air can support the scientific theory that air has constituents and one of them is oxygen as it supports combustion! But in my view a candle's flame will burn in oxygenless air! Can you see the candle flame experiment should not be accepted because it is not testing the scientific theory directly! Science has numerous flaws and this is one example which means you cannot rely on a vast number of theories the scientific method supports regarding your model quote - (a) the model isn't reality itself, it's merely a representation of reality, and (b) no model we have is a perfect representation of reality then why is the globe IDEA portrayed as being true in many areas of modern western society?? It's delusional to be doing this!
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@maxfan1591 quote - Because for most people the difference between the two is irrelevant. So you're telling me people build all this stuff and make up total BS based on an IDEA??? That's friggin insane!!! Of course there is a difference between the 2 - one is real the other is only an IDEA that exists in people's minds/imaginations! You've told me the globe is just a model and IS not reality, it's merely a REPRESENTATION of the real world. This representation cannot be proved to be true at all, that's why it's a MODEL or IDEA or REPRESENTATION. And yet now you're telling me it is true to justify the actual physical efforts man makes to make this IDEA, MODEL or REPRESENTATION true!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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@maxfan1591 quote - How do you navigate from your home to a destination you've never visited before? How was your map or GPS created and calibrated? From a model. It's that simple. This evidence is unrelated to the shape of the earth - man has been navigating the oceans for 1000s of years even when it was commonly held the earth was flat!! you're starting to become very funny by showing flaws in your logic!! But then again that's to be expected as you clearly think an IDEA is true ie it is true the world is a globe!!
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@maxfan1591 you failed to understand my point - a burning candle IS not evidence the air contains oxygen! A burning candle demonstrates a candle's flame will exist in air or a candle will burn in air! Can you not understand why your science is messed up as it allows unrelated tests using the scientific method to support a scientific theory!! This convo is becoming very amusing now because your mental illness is starting to come out; your delusions and they are a symptom of psychosis! But do not worry I think the majority of people on the Earth are psychotic in one way or another!!
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@maxfan1591 i guess you're not understanding my point - "For example a candle's flame burning in air can support the scientific theory that air has constituents and one of them is oxygen as it supports combustion! But in my view a candle's flame will burn in oxygenless air!" that's why I do not consider a burning candle in air to be evidence of the presence oxygen being a constituent of air because the candle will burn solely in air!! Imo that scientific theory should only be supported by evidence if it is the only possible explanation ie the presence of oxygen in the air. However oxygenless air can also be an explaination to explain why a candle burns. Btw 'experts' get paid money. If they expressed views than the commonly held views they wouldn't get paid and would probably lose their jobs!!!! It's called blackmail!! Finally scientific theories are largely supported by evidence gained from experiments that employ the scientific method. For example electrolysis using water, an acid (H2SO4) and some electricity will produce hydrogen and oxygen at cathode and anode. This experiment can be conducted numerous times and produce the same results ie hydrogen at cathode and oxygen at anode. One has repeatability and one can predict the gas products. This procedure is used as evidence to support the scientific theory that water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. However the actual procedure doesn't directly link the production of the gases to the scientifc theory that "the water is being split and is made of hydrogen and oxygen" simply because the gas products can originate from the materials in the water eg electrodes and/or electrolyte! Again we have an instance where there exists another factor that can account for the observation just like the candle flame! Such factors are usually dispelled without any rigorous testing using scientific methodology by the scientific commnunity because it doesn't fit the 'model' they wish to build. This is common practise within science ie accepting a scientifc theory without proper scrutiny and shows really that science doesn't reflect the real world and cannot be trusted because essentially , the understanding science has of the world is a complete fabrication!
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@maxfan1591 quote - and the entire expert community on that topic is on the other side, my money is on the expert community being right. They can't be right because it's only an IDEA, a model, a representation! They can only be right if science proved stuff but it doesnt!!
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