Comments by "Mel" (@Mel-wn9gb) on "Biologically Male Transsexual TEARS Into Radicals Attacking Women's Sports" video.

This is such a half-arsed mentality. You either think transwomen are women and 'worthy' of their preferred pronouns, or you don't. You don't pick and choose which transwomen get pandered to, and which don't
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@gandjathome What they're doing is hurting not only the feelings, but also the rights of other people. Sometimes hurting people's feelings is the reality check they need.
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@CQuinnLady Incorrect. I watched the video. I'm responding to comments above, including yours, that appeal to other women to call this man 'she' and 'her', as though he's a woman. I have no doubt he would expect that himself, which somewhat weakens his message and stance. The entire point is that these are men, not women. Repeating the lie that they're a type of woman is exactly why Will Thomas is where he is today. My point is that there can be no compromise just because some transwomen appear to support us. Transwomen are male, hence not women. It's only if and when we acknowledge this with honesty and directness that women's rights will be restored and we can move foward.
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@Vitruvian Jam What you're saying is that you don't genuinely believe that the 'trans' person is who they say they are, but you'll pretend that they are if they show you respect. That's not respect, it's pandering.
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@AlquimistEd The entire point is that by calling a man 'she' you are trampling on other people's rights, unlike respecting a person with a disability which takes nothing from you. Bad analogy. It's also disengenuous and hypocritical to define people as women or men on the basis of how 'worthy' or 'nice' you personally think they are, which is my oroginal point. We have to make clear distinctions based in fact and reason, both in policy and law and in our personal lives, if we want workable laws that protect everybody, and to live with honesty and integrity.
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@AlquimistEd Yes. Gender dysphoria exists, and it's for the people who suffer with it and health care professionals to manage. It's not up to the rest of society to lie, deny facts and have our own rights violated because some people have a mental illness. We're not even talking about gender dysphoria here, but the highly problematic concept of a 'gender identity' that 'aligns' with our sex or not, defining us as boys, girls, men and women - as opposed to our sex. This encompasses all of us, not just people with gender dysphoria, which is precisely why we're having this conversation.
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@bujharvard9313 How about these men treat women with courtesy and stop appropriating and bastardizing the very language we need to articulate who we are as female human beings, ie. women?
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@bunnybunch5782 I'm not really sure what you're saying. There are facts and there are untruths. You can hang your hat on either side, but you don't get to pick and choose facts. They are what they are. Only irrational, emotional people think they can deny facts and reality and expect other people to go along with them. If you choose to go along with facts that you don't actually believe, in some misguided attempt to show 'respect' to people who deny them, that's not really respect. It's just patronising, dishonest and lacking integrity.
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@AlquimistEd The right to be free of sex stereotyping, which is sexism. You're 'kindness' to men doesn't extend to women if you want to play it both ways like that. That is my point. We are arguing women's rights in law here, and not being clear and consistent undermines those rights. Calling men 'she' and perpetuating and reinforcing the lie that men can be women is exactly why Will Thomas is where he is. And worse. Women have been raped in shelters and prisons because of this untruth. We have to be clear and consistent, not pick and choose who's a 'woman' when it's convenient. We need to be more kind to actual women.
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@AlquimistEd Apart from being disrespectful to actual women, how respectful is it to patronize someone like that anyway? And how dysphoric is this person if he himself can admit he's not a woman? Ok, so he's not a woman. So what is the purpose of calling him 'she' and 'her' if he knows he's not a woman, and all it does is reinforce and perpetaute 'gender' ideology and make it harder for women to protect our rights? It doesn't make sense whichever way you try to spin it. You say no-one is trying to force us to call a man 'she', but by playing both sides like this you're affirming and perpetuating an ideology that does force us to.
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@kelgirl4719 No, by calling a man 'she' because you personally like this particular individual or what they have to say, you're perpetuating sexism, which is not protecting or helping women. If he genuinely wants to protect and help us from this harmful, sexist dogma he wouldn't ask us to call him 'she'. Also, 'biological female' is a nonsense term. If you use it it indicates you're being gaslighted and indoctrinated by the very ideology you claim to reject. The term is female.
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@Brandon-yg7mw You calling a man a woman is precisely why they're participating in women's sport. You can't have it both ways.
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@AlquimistEd This is the entire point of this debate. You don't get to tell other people how to think, what to believe and what to say. You can choose to call a man 'she' in your personal life if you want to, just because he's nice, but it's counter-productive if your goal is upholding women's rights and your own integrity. And that untruth should certainly not be codified in policy and law, compelling us all to affirm it at the expense of our own rights.
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@AlquimistEd I'm not telling you what to think and say. I'm critiquing what you're thinking and saying. I'm not even talking about this guy in particular. I'm using him as an example of how his and your disengenuous, inconsistent, have it each way approach to this issue is not beneficial to upholding the rights of girls and women. Because of that. That's my point. It's very simple.
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@AlquimistEd No. My original comment was responding to other people in this thread about how it doesn't help women to be selective on which men they call women. You entered the conversation later so I reiterated my point to you. I didn't mention this man until you brought him up, and I'm not criticizing him personally. I'm saying his, your and the other women's halfway approach is not helpful to women. I don't know what's so hard to comprehend about that.
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@rozaucja8612 It's a bit nasty for men to reduce women to nothing more than sex stereotypes and roles or a fantasy in their imagination.
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@JohnJ469 It's not the same thing at all. That's a title that represents a person's level of education, not who they are in the law. Defining men and women in terms of the subjective concept of 'gender identity' as opposed to the objective fact of sex in law - and as such compelling us to use 'gendered' pronouns - has a direct result on the rights of other people wherever sex is relevant. Particularly female people, as we're seeing in shelters, prisons, public facilities and services, sports, employment, educational and political representation, statistics etc.
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@JohnJ469 Oh, I missed that. Still, calling a man an 'honorary woman' by indulging his preferred pronouns, when to do so dehumanizes women and effects our lives and rights, is not acceptable.
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@JohnJ469 Which is exactly what happens when you call them 'women'. It goes back to my original arguement. There's no halfway. When you call a man a woman based on sex stereotypes or his personal feelings or fantasies about what a woman is, you dehumanize women. Women are female human beings, not an abstract concept for men to appropriate or play around with for their own benefit.
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@CQuinnLady Sorry, but you either are a woman or you aren't, based on your sex. Men aren't women just because they're nice. And how nice is it to reduce women to sexist stereotypes anyway? There's only one kind of woman - the female kind. That's what a woman is. There's no such thing as a 'bio female' in contrast to some other kind of female. Lol. We have to stop repeating this mindless jargon and pure nonsense, as though it makes any sense.
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@AlquimistEd This hand is not feeding us. It's being disengenuous and trying to have it both ways. It's not going to work for women's rights if we say some transwomen can be women and violate women's rights, as long as they're 'nice' about. We need a clear line in the sand. Transwomen are not women, including the 'nice' ones. And go from there.
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@AlquimistEd What is wrong with you that you can't see that selectively playing it both ways undermines women's rights? If this man doesn't see himself as a woman, great. Then he can stop pushing the idea that a man can 'identify' as one, stop calling himself 'she' and 'her' and painting that as simple, benign 'kindness' and 'respect'. It's not kind and respectful to girls and women.
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@CQuinnLady What does that even mean? Lol. A woman is a female human being. There's nothing more to it.
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@CQuinnLady It's English, but it's pure nonsense.
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@rozaucja8612 So what makes him a woman, if it's not his sex and it's not the sex stereotypes and roles typically imposed onto girls and women against our will? Please read my previous comments on my thoughts about this disengenuous, having it both ways approach. This man is part of the reason why Lia Thomas is able to swim against women, whether he agrees with it or not.
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@Mommybecca9804 It's also the definition of sex stereotyping to define people as 'cis' and 'trans', 'binary' and 'nonbinary'. This is why we shouldn't affirm ideologically 'gendered' pronouns.
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@Mommybecca9804 I'm agreeing with your comment and adding that the concept of 'gender identity' is based in sex stereotyping. So another reason not to affirm 'gendered' pronouns.
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@punkanellylovejoy702 Lol, I don't date men so I don't care what men do to or with you. Have fun. It's ok to be gay. The point is you're not any kind of woman. You're a man who had surgery and took hormones, because you couldn't deal with being an effeminate or gay man. So much for stunning and brave.
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So what makes him a woman then?
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