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Comments by "Ronin Dave" (@RoninDave) on "Reza Aslan's Religion Apologetics Are Dangerous" video.
I weep when I read some of the responses here. There is too much of "us and them" mentality. I hope some of you do realize that you can both agree and disagree with people without taking hardline opposition to them. I disagree with DPS here but am I going to unsub? No because I agree with them in other areas. All the unsub babies regardless of they are pro or anti Aslan/Affleck/TYT/Harriss/Maher/DPS need to grow up
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Reza dangerous? For telling people to look beyond superficial easy conclusions that "religion is muhahahaha baaaaad!"? What is dangerous in getting people to understand that Islam is not some monolithic cultural political religious entity but rather a diverse multi-ethnic multi-cultural multi-national and multi-sect collection in which individual circumstances need to be look at? This has been my biggest gripe over the whole fiasco. I find many of Harris' fans willfully ignorant of the various peoples under the umbrella called Islam as they just want to focus on written (translated) 7th century text without any of the cultural and historical context and start slinging barbs. Harris fanboys need to understand it's not so much people like myself are saying "don't criticize Islam ever!" We are saying if you are going to criticize Islam make yourself available to the information that is out there in order to make better informed criticisms otherwise what really separates you from Fox news and their ilk? Also be cognitive of how you come off. The problem with Maher and Harris is they come off as ignorant outsiders who are seen by some as Israeli apologists and so their message of criticism just aimed at the ideology and not the people is going to fall on deaf ears of many muslims. What you had that night on Maher was basically outsiders arguing for and against a person who wasn't in the room. And at the end of the day this notion of Reza's thinking being dangerous ignores the real danger. Islam as a whole hasn't pushed us to the brink of environmental disaster with global warming nor are Islamic countries bombing, droning, occupying other countries (most of them muslim) while controlling and exploiting their resources all the while supporting both the most oppressive regime in the Islamic world and what is perceived by many in the region as an expansive European/American Jewish colony. That is the real danger - a befuddled foreign policy driven by a muddled myriad of purposes both out of greed and ideology. This more than the Koran or Reza is what ISIS is using to justify their actions and recruit impressionable people to their cause.
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papersplease you're one of those unsub babies I was talking about. "Oh, waaaah!!! the channel I usually like said something I don't like!!! UNSUB!!!" I don't agree with Pakman here and his silly assertion that Reza is somehow dangerous philosophically speaking but I'm not going to unsub just because of that. We live in a world where people are not always going to agree with each other. That's life. And you unsubbed to MR - a channel that has what? a dozen at best vids on the Harris/Affleck/Aslan fiasco? Out of how many videos? A thousand? IMHO this whole thing has flushed out a lot of intolerance and ignorance which has been festering in the circles of supposedly liberal free-thinkers where clueless dolts think they are automatically intelligent just because they choose the opposite ideological brand from the conservatives and where they pick and choose what fits their mode of thinking discarding the rest without a second glance. Instead of unsubbing (and worse writing down on the channel in a childish passive-aggressive way) people need to listen to all sides and come to a decision for themselves.
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s stevenson Well, why weren't there islamic suicide bombers prior to WWII? Is it because this would require you to dig deeper than your superficial conclusions that Islam is to blame? Are you seriously suggesting that if Islam were magically removed that suicide bombing would also magically disappear? Are they blowing themselves up just for the promises of hot dates in Paradise?
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s stevenson so technology is to blame then not the Koran? I love how you complain about ad hominem and then precede to scream at me for several paragraphs like an angry child.
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s stevenson basically my point is if you can stop being so obtuse in your line of thinking is that the socio-political situations did not exist previously which has more to do with present day suicide bombing than simply a 1400 year old religion or technology though both of which are used to recruit and carry out the attacks.
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s stevenson and yet why were there not suicide bombers or the equivalent there of in the 1400 years leading up to Islamic suicide bombers which began in the post WWII era?
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