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Yeah cooling is a big problem I have heard when tracking, especially when tuned. Same with My 335 diesel, it gathers temperature very fast when using full throttle. Dont know if can stomach to watch the numbers it will get up to on my next nurburgring trip.
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118 degrees isnt that bad if you ask me.
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Same as with any other high power car though.
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@TH-qq2lb For sure, for normal roads more speed is not needed.
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@papa_pt I very much agree with almost everything you said, except the fact that as long as the turbo is spooled up, the volume of the engine doesnt really matter for power area, no matter what displacement the engine has. And it certainly is spooled up between shift on this car. It is more likely the drivetrain losses and turbo and shifting lag costing time here. Still dont think its the advertised 440hp though, even at peak.
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@xIcarus227 I am sorry for being unclear in my post, I can see you put quite a bit of time in this reply, and since I already knew the the things you wrote, I apologize to take up your time. What I meant in my post was that it might be possible to decouple it even further "upstream" than most cars do, so to say, in the DCT gearbox itself for example. Of course, even if that might be possibIe I dont really believe that is the answer, and that the other explanations are more likely. I have edited the post you replied to avoid further misunderstandings of what I meant. Yes, almost every car these days has some kind of "on demand" clutch system in their 4wd/AWD system it seems like. That is why the distinction seems a bit outdated according to me. Cheers and thanks again.
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@thomasholdsworth2422 Drivetrain loss isnt that big these days in most cars. 500hp seems very unlikely during this test.
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@chiel- I am sure it is, but dynotesting can differ quite a lot because of for example: How Different brands of dyno calculate power. Different calibration of the dyno. How the measuring is done (Time for sweep or static for example) And how the dyno operator chooses settings. As an example, it is very possible to make a true 500hp turbocharged car show anywhere between 300-600hp depending on the above.
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@chiel- Yes I do think its a bit slow for over 500hp. Nothing too dramatic but a little bit. He is spinning in 4th gear with AWD? Sounds incredible, how did he manage that, has he disconnected or modified the drivetrain software?
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@nvl2691 380hp would suffice, but factory stock 100% except cams? Not sure about that. But if you got cams, surely one has other mods, however small, as well? Those can make a big difference in top speed.
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@VB0120-u4z power loss of more then 10٪ is not normal because of mechanical wear, unless its way above 300 000 km, but maybe thats what you meant. Chassis wear is something else entirely. In any case, if your engine has lost 10% or more power, something is enough out of spec to be considered broken, not just worn. Splitting hairs maybe but there is a difference. But as I said, maybe broken was what you meant.
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@VB0120-u4z Yes, I know. It all depends in the definition of "broken" I suppose. For me, out of spec = broken. But that is looking at it from a pure physical working perspective. (Design specification)
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@blastaway1784 Nah, there are tools and ways to find were the broken parts are. Could be as another guy said, just clogged injectors or something simple like that. Its doable, have done it myself with a Porsche that was missing about 100hp. Fixed some vacuum and boost leaks on hoses, and cleaned everything. +100hp and more or less restored power from new. 20 years ago wasnt that long ago, Maybe you mean 50 years ago or more? Because 10% power difference between engines hasnt been a thing since.... I dont know, but 1950s? earlier than that probably. Now 10 hp difference is another matter, and is possible but that isnt 10% on a 340hp engine.
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@ENERGYCORP I dont know, depends on how you look at it. If it has the same power as it should have since new, its not very good, but its conceivable given the gearing and the maybe not too good aero.
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My old cayenne only had 8kmh, maybe its a Porsche calibration thing?
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Why though? If you can find grip, more revs is faster on this engine. Didnt see much struggling for grip in this video?
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@flaviokart16 Exactly, thats why I said I cant see it struggling for grip, which is the only performance reason to short shift for nearly every car out there. Shifting for "max torque" is slower, not faster in almost every car out there. Best acceleration is had at max average power between shifts, torque really is a red herring, albeit a persistent misconception. So, thats why he shouldnt short shift in this case, it would have been much slower. Cheers. What he can do for top speed is either gearing the car up so 5th gives a higher speed per rpm, or gearing it down so 6th will give a lower speednper rpm and placing it better in the powerband.
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More like: Popular opinion.
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@TheEryk03 Do you mean "quick" or fast? Because its on par with other cars of similar weight and power, right? So....?
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@jareknowak8712 Power curve is more useful I feel.
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@unrealeck that could maybe account for a 10hp difference. In a turboed car such as this, it should have more consistent power compared to most engines. No, the 420hp is just a dream number, as usual with many tuned cars.
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@mustafa-kemal3499 No, that was the numbers on the GPS app on the smartphone, look again.
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Probably not any that would matter for speed.
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@shad0w275 No country has a speed limit even close to 200km/h, as far as I know. And at lower speeds, it is on par with what is normally expected. So it still wouldnt make sense for avoiding fines, compared to a normal 3 series or other cars. Someone (likely BMW themselves) have coded a larger than normal error at just speeds above 200 km/h, but normal error below it. Or maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
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@keving.2983 According to when sport auto tested it in the windtunnel, The GTS actually got better drag numbers than the standard M3, believe it or not.
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@shad0w275 Dont know why my reply to you disappeared, but here goes again: What I meant what is that the "error" is likely intentional and programmed by BMW themselves, to make the customer happier about his fast car. Its not unheard of, many other cars and motorcycles do the same, Golf GTI being one of the best known ones, which often shows almost 220km/h already at 200 km/h real speed. Many M3 and M5 of this age got almost as big of an error. I find a malfunction very unlikely, considering how the speedometer works, and the results of other similar cars.
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@paulshi5974 Indeed they got other programming from the F series, and the G series is as you say, more or less bang on. I think G series uses its GPS for correction.
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@HustlerTrickipedia No it doesnt. You might be thinking of the "unlimited" parts. Which as you can tell from the name, has no fixed speed limit.
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Youre not wrong but its pretty cool to se how far you can take a cardboard box with performance, and have it still look more or less stock. I like it.
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I dont think so considering the 100-200 time. 260hp is enough for those times pretty easily in this car I should think. Its not very heavy.
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Doesnt the launch control do that though? Build boost I mean. If it doesnt, what use is it?
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@caominh2874 Should be a countdown in the car then, that shows when it has reached full allowable boost. Bit of an oversight. Or maybe there is? I Havent driven one of these cars.
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Not in a 2700kg car with big transmission losses as this one got, it probably cant...
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Eh, no harm in doing that really. Its meant to be used after all.
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It could have done even more than 260 on gps, considering the acceleration still going on. 265, even 270 might be possible on an ideal day.
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@trader2473 Well, there you go. I stand corrected, even more was possible it seems. Of course I dont think we know the conditions of those different tests, one might have had a headwind, the other one a tailwind, which can make a big difference. Still, good info.
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You only get confused if you dont know how dyno runs in europe are done. I would suggest its up to the watcher to educate themselves in this case, most euro watchers know the standard already.
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@papa_pt Sure, that 90% may well be true, but thats because they are most often made in the US, where RWHP is the norm.
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They dont I guess. But not as big of an issue in EU as US.
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@The_Noticer. Mostly oil quality and regularity of high load driving, I think. Fuel quality might be a factor, but hard for me to see how that can affect intake manifold build up. So, I think its mostly the first 2.
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@The_Noticer. That is true, its been so long since I ran a car with EGR active that I forgot about that factor a little bit. Still, question is how big that factor is compared to the oil vapor. 25k km is actually very doable, and more than that if you got good oil and very good driving cycle. Many cars from this time period ran 30-40k kilometers between oil changes. For sure my M135 showed a very long interval on its service meter when I had it. It works surprisingly well if you drive the car briskly on autobahn every day. If you on the other hand live in a cold climate and do short runs at low speed city driving, 10k km oil change interval is too much. Were are you located? I doubt resale value is too much affected by carbon buildup woes, probably most people dont even know about it, rather other market factors seems more likely to me.
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@MarcTrump No, its not anything special at all, I agree. Though It was 277kmh as seen on the GPS. A tuned GTI can do it, but that is a bit besides the point. It will take longer to get to that speed, unless its got quite a lot of horsepower itself. Top speed over 250-260 is academic to almost everyone, thats why it really doesnt matter much. Its like stating which car is the fastest in reverse gear or which supercar can fit the heaviest load on its roof. Its just numbers on a paper, since almost no one will use it. Thats why this car "Only" doing 280-ish isnt a big deal, the intended customers dont care.
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They probably edited out a bit, but its not far from what could be possible, yeah.
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Torque deosnt accelerate cars unfortunately, power do. So its nothing special in that regard. Nice having pretty good power while not reving much when you are towing a heavy trailer, though.
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Souped up diesel BMW 1 series, perhaps.
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Yep, sure seems like it.
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@lambertomainardi7933 No, its called simple math. Acceleration is directly proportional to power/weight. From the video we can see the acceleration, and the weight can be found in a spec sheet. Now we can easily calculate the missing factor; power. Many learn it in school, nothing supernatural about it, I assure you.
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@lambertomainardi7933 Not precisely of course, but within 10-15hp margin of error is possible to calculate from the video. Saying it had 505hp is therefore easily falsifiable. Check out other autotopnl videos, a lot of them have similar comments. Wishful power numbers are as old as cars itself. Because it sells tuning kits.
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@lemcakes32422 No, not really. Especially not considering the factors that this car was made for.
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@lemcakes32422 No you didnt, not when it was as I said above.
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