Comments by "Golden Croc" (@GoldenCroc) on "Bladed Angel"
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@danmac6185 I am in europe, where at least until very recently, just about everyone learnt how to drive manuals. To the point that some people dont dare drive automatics, because its too unfamiliar.
And even here, where almost everyone know how to drive a manual, most people dont care, Thats what I was getting at.
No amount of teaching people how to drive manuals will change "most" peoples mind. Enthusiasts maybe, but there arent many of those as buyers of new cars, even sports cars. Look at europe again, most performance cars are sold with autos, even though their buyers almost certainly know how to drive manuals. Its a losing battle, sorry to say.
The other points you bring up, I didnt really comment on. But I can sympathize and agree somewhat, but it is what it is.
Now me personally, I honestly dont care much about automatic or manual. Maybe the manual is a little, tiny bit more fun. But I honestly dont care much. My present cars are automatics, but thats because you couldnt get them in anything else, yes even in europe. Still, the automatics are faster, som I probably would have gotten both as automatics anyway considerng what they are used for. I got a bunch of motorcycles that are manuals anyway if I feel like it.
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@halogod0298 Sure, I can agree BMW hasnt covered themselves in glory, certainly when it comes to the platforms and engines launched in 2001-2010 or so, they were often terrible. Shockingly, unacceptably bad.
However, as I said, thats not the case for every platform or engine even in those years. I should know, I have owned a few and they worked just fine. But I did my research before I bought and I take care of my cars.
In the 1970-1980s, BMWs were one of the highest quality cars you could buy. 1990s less so, but engines were almost always good. Things change.
All data I have seen is that since about 2014 they are much, much better than the decade earlier in general. For now, I see no reason to believe the Z4 platform with for example the B58 engine will be any worse than most cars in this segment.
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@halogod0298 There is just more crap to break on newer cars, this is true for all brands. Look back on cars that had a lot of stuff on them already decades ago and they really werent much better.
On top of the BMW I own currently, I also own a first AND a second gen Porsche cayenne with all the bells and whistles with active sway bars and such. If you think BMWs are bad, let me assure you they are kindergarten level in comparison when it comes to hilarious costs. On top of the electrics, my gen 2 cayenne needed a complete new engine at just 40k miles, cost about 22k USD with install. factory Warranty covered it though.
German automakers have pushed the technological envelope the last 30 years more than ever, as well as aggressively tried cutting costs. Toyota uses tech at least one generation behind. That is a good thing for reliabilty, to say the least. Iron out most bugs or dont go down technologically dead ends.
I think the Z4 will be in line with most other cars in its class. It wont match up to a bare bones Yaris, not by a long shot, or any toyota most likely though, yes.
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@joshuaszeto Thats funny. I can admit I failed to take into account the North American market. My comment was based on the european market, and I didnt consider it would be all that different. But in hindsight, it seems pretty obvious it might well be, also when it comes to rims. I will tell you my theory why...
American cars are generally larger. Sometimes much larger. The difference in car sizes and weights were larger the further back you go. This means the wheel have to be more sturdy to support the weight. Ameriucan cars also generally uses older technology of the "tried and true" kind. Therefore, it would not surprise me to learn steel rims for the North american market might be made differently, and with older technology that make them heavier. In contrast, aluminium rims of certain price groups are made in the same way just about everywhere.
I have lifted many rims myself, though in europe, as I said earlier. steel rims are generally same-ish weight, or a smidgen lighter. Its a small difference, very small. But on average, steel rims are lighter here, so thats my personal experience similar to your lifting one.
The "missing article" is interesting, I made a search myself. Indeed you are correct about it not being featured.
However, there are a few reasons why that may be:
First is the obvious one: Who benefits from such an article? Will it garned a positive reception? Does the journalists themselves even know this could be a question?
Secondly: English articles are often US based, and as I said, I have no reason not to trust you, it very well could be as you said in the North American market.
Thirdly: All the articles I found, does not quoted tested / weighed comparison numbers. They just throw a few numbers out like "20% lighter". If you are into science and experiments, you know this is a red flag....
Now here comes the kicker. I do have articles about steel rims being lighter, oldest one being from about 1993. I also have comments by people in the business of them saying this (since 1995). And to top it off, I got spec sheets from various manufacturer which states the steel rims are lighter. (These ones are newer, since early 2000s and up)
Anyway, regarding the rotational mass, we dont disagree about the physics of it all, just which ones might be lighter in themselves.
Lastly, I also dont consider the corrsion could be that heavy to be an issue. You must surely live in one of the worst places for corrosion on earth. My area is considered quite bad, for european standards, and we dont come close to what you say. As I said earlier, it takes several decades here for it to begin being an issue. 99,99...% (some ridiculous number of decimals) of cars are long off the road permanently before steel rim corrosion is an issue here.
Anyway, I dont have every article of steel rims at hand, but I have quite good memory and can cite some text from memory from them if you wish. I can also dig up some which manufacturer have released spec sheets which shows "steelies" to be lighter, if you wish. Just say the word.
Long post, but this is interesting to me. Cheers mate.
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