Comments by "Golden Croc" (@GoldenCroc) on "Doug DeMuro" channel.

  1. This one looks to be a not so good example. Every bodypanel is another color from the one next to it.
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  2. "13 what?" 1000 rpm Doug, as it clearly states.... Is he trolling us?
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  3. Its subtle to non car people.
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  4. Its on par with the best 4 cylinders of the time, if we exclude high end sportscars or rally specials. So pretty good, yeah.
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  5. This car was famously one of the fastest cars in the world in a low speed-slalom type course/test back in its day. This includes the most extreme sportscars/supercars you can think of. For example it had the best time of any car in the old version of the "Moose test" that the Mercedes A class you previously reviewed/bought flipped over in. Nothing sporty at the time had the active anti roll bars this has and it did wonders for body control and fully utilizing the grip of the tires. Other than that its a pretty great car all around. I guess you can call it the "Anti tesla" in the way that where they do away with all the buttons and stalks for a touch screen, this sometimes got two buttons for the same thing, like for example the rear power windows. I like it. I had the newer C5 myself.
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  6.  @squeakycleannnn  Seems like it did, though?
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  7.  @mortensenvick5711  You dont need carbon ceramics on a street car. You dont need larger brakes than can fit under an 18" wheel either. Heck, even 17" is enough for way above any legal speed outside Germany, and really even inside Germany as well.
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  8.  @Arun999  Since it became the average price of a new car sold in the US, possibly?
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  9. ​ @Gnomosfortheoffice He didnt know, most likely
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  10. Yep, like several Citroen models.
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  11.  @alekvassinskiy1286  Hate to say it but he usually doesnt. I like him, but he doesnt do all that much research into the cars he reviews. There are tons of similar quirks he has missed over the years. Still one of the best for showing unusual stuff though.
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  12. I seriously doubt it makes a difference, or they would offer it for the normal cars they sell many times more of. Wouldnt make sense to keep a non performance sales argument from the other models. Maybe on the e36 which was the first car to have it, it had some effect. No, I am pretty sure its just another styling choice to differentiate it from lower models, they have put tons of those on the M cars over the years.
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  13. Especially since this generation cayenne is very heavy because of the terrain stuff they later deleted.
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  14.  @afcgeo882  No matter the worth of the car in other areas, there is not a single Ford derived part in this car. So, calling it a Ford seems like being a bit misleading. Now, the generations that followed a few years later, is another matter. But this one? no, not really.
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  15.  @carrotplox  Depends heavily on which model. Some french cars are among the most reliable ever built, bar none. In "modern" days, some french cars often have very good rust protection compared to others, which can be a great advantage for longevity in markets with very salty roads.
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  16. As far as I can recall, you are exactly right, that is what it was intended to be. A limited production halo car. A styling focused concept car for the road. In my eyes, it takes the blocky, brutal-ish styling of the early 1980s cars such as the Audi coupe quattro and turns it up to 11. You like square fender flares?, Well here is an entire car as a square fender flare! You like 2 smallish-rectangular headlights? Here is 3 of them!
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  17. I get the analogy but its almost 100% exclusively marketing and brand name making those clocks sought after. There are also lots of practical differences in that a mechanical watch cost literally zero to run, can easily be stored by the dozens in a normal desk drawer and have very low maintenance costs... all of which are many many many magnitudes more expensive and cumbersome with a car. There will be car enthusiasts for vintage ICE cars, but it will be many thousand of times less than currently.
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  18.  @zrally2107  Rear seat climate remote control and parking heater. Maybe something else I forgot but I dont think so. Source: I got one myself, but am too lazy to go outside and check.
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  19. Yep, Its the most pathetic EV in the same way as the Ford Model T is a pathetic car compared to those introduced much later.
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  20.  @real151kmh  It is a low number these days, but not so much back then. Certainly not in europe. People in europe have very little fascination with stoplight racing as far as I can tell, its mostly an American thing. To be honest, I dont think Americans are all that fascinated with it really either, I think its mostly the number on the paper they want a lot of the time.
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  21. There is. My BMW didnt have them and it also had a defrostable, openable rear window. Seems like it was an afterthought on this car.
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  22. To be fair even back then there were a lot of models that didnt have it (according to what you likely mean by logical, at least).
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  23.  @FuckTrumpFuckYouIfYouVoted4Him  Yes, I "got it", since thats exactly what I assumed he meant. And my comment still stand, since even since the 1980s and onwards, BMW didnt follow that "logic" anymore. Perhaps you didnt know this when you made your comment, because otherwise it makes even less sense as a reply...
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  24.  @Ennui.  Lots of cars have partially or fully zinc treated bodies, and have had so since many decades ago. It is not literally rust proof when used in real word conditions, the zinc treatment is a just a small part of it and differs a lot between cars, even of the same brand. French cars in general have from my observation had some of the best body rust proofing since year 2000 or so, but even they are far from perfect in, as I said, real world conditions. Dont get me started on the atrocious rust proofing on older Mercedes cars or the flaking-down-to-the-metal of VWs.
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  25. It is a niche, but one has to look at it as an SUV first. If you NEED an SUV, it somewhat makes sense. You are right about the housewife bit, but this generation Cayenne is perhaps the most allround car ever built in terms of capabilities. It seats 5, was not much slower than an M5 of the era, can tow 7500lbs, is quite comfortable, and with normal wheels is quite good in terrain as well, rivalling jeeps.
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  26. I am glad you like it, but I think you are missing a few "American" in your post.. i.e. "It changed American car design forever", etc. Many euro cars had similar designs way earlier, of which many were sold in the US... if you are talking about a true ground breaking production design for cars, the Audi 100 C3 would be it, and to a lesser extent the Ford sierra of a few years later.
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  27. Tesla model x has something similar, havent heard too many complaints.
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  28. Yeah but not compared to many other 4 bangers these days or overall compared to other cars in general.
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  29.  @umakegoodcookies  And he never will.
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  30. @ To be super specific: Front passenger seat, yes. The inflation tool with the hose is, from factory, stored in a bag under the rear seat.
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  31.  @fakevirus8828  These old ones were pretty good, as was every VAG car of the time.
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  32. Rejoice if you like Porsche though, because it gives them money to keep building other things. Myself, I got a very old "performance luxury suv" which was quite cheap, relatively speaking, and its great to tow with. No complaints from me.
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  33. i3 wasnt as controversial as this though.
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  34. Electric has huge potential and always has. It has more or less been about how much they can squeeze from the batterys since day one; 120+ years ago or so. Now the batteries are finally at the level where things like this are feasible.
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  35. Maybe you will look like a waffle after sitting in them?
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  36. Well out of production by then, but yes, more or less.
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  37. ​ @saraleon97 He means the word "random" is a bit misplaced if taken seriously.
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  38. Because most people watching this wont know what an Elise or Evora is, probably. Yes, really.
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  39.  @drippgxd  Its not star wars seats, its "Vader" seats, and its an inofficial nickname, presumably because of how they look with the headrest sides extending down and becoming the shoulder bolsters of the seat.
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  40.  @Teddingtin  Probably couldnt find one easily in the near vicinity, as others have said.
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  41. Secretly? He more or less called them chumps!
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  42. Probably, it certainly is in the running.
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  43.  @wowdogeful  If by "all" you mean quite a lot, I might agree. Far from literally "all" though.
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  44.  @N1ckZ  Well niche among what is genuinly useful to some I mean. Most people who buy them just got the money to spend and want "the best".
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  45.  @markallen2984  They are not that good, wouldnt say garbage though. These old ones were a lot better though.
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  46.  @VNCTHE1  Not much to say other than that you are wrong, very wrong. All statistics and data backs this up. I can only assume you are misinformed for some reason, likely because of your inexperience and lack of historical knowledge. On top of that, I suspect you add a bit of hyperbole you know yourself to be untrue. Get some data from 1950s to 1980s and compare it to their competitors, and it should be clear that you should sing a different tune, if you care about accuracy. Cheers.
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  47.  @227conejo  Many modern SUV has 4wd systems that arent any better for grip than this, regardless of tires. It is open diffs galore. The only thing saving them a bit is their traction control system, but it is often not calibrated very well for terrain driving, depending on model of SUV. Secondly, look at the ground clearance for many of them, this little car has oodles more than most of them.
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  48. You are correct, but he is as well. Its both a crash and theft thing.
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  49.  @FuckTrumpFuckYouIfYouVoted4Him  You really posted this kind of stuff as replies? Even as ironic trolling, its not good enough. At least not for me.
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  50. I seriously doubt there is as much as a single car sold less in total because of what you may think is unappealing design. On the contrary, many people prefer the newer desing, and all statistics point to them outnumbering the ones who dont like it, by a considerable margin.
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  51. Hmmm.... There was no estate of the E36, whatever gave you that idea? This car, as far as I can see from the video, does indeed have the "Vader" seats.
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  52. @freepieanchipsgarage Either you read my comment a tad wrongly, or you like moving the goalposts a bit. As you can see, I only talk about factory stock and produced BMW e34, of which the M5 is included. One would assume thats what you talked about in the first post I replied to, no? Anyway, Alpinas are therefore not BMWs, nor M5s (Quite self evident, with their turbocharged engine etc), as I am sure you know. Also, serious speed records for production cars are set to FIA rules, which are quite stringent. Two way averages, no gradient to speak of, time limit between runs etc. Many "record runs", are in fact not really record runs after all. Only a few are. Seems unlikely your M5 runs fit the bill, unfortunately. Cheers mate.
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  53. Likely a non issue for the ones giving Audi the money, so not really.
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  54. ​ @80PercentAshamedOfU  LFA was overpriced for its badge. Old 8 series didnt really matter that it didnt fit the "ultimate driving machine" moniker, extremely few BMW customers care about that. Big GT cars have always been a hard sell and BMW rarely offer anything special in this market, with a not super premium badge. Combined with bad economy, thats likely why it tanked.
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  55.  @JoakimPekkari  Agreeing to disagree is all well and good, but I am unlikely to be erroneous, since as you can see I didnt make the statement "nobody", but rather "more people". Quite a difference in scope I would say. Anyway, I understand its not to be taken literally but since you said you believe I am wrong, you must realise your statement is easily disproven already by mine and other comments whereas mine is quite plausible, if you search word usage litterature and movies etc. Furthermore, the most seemingly common usage might be in the in the combined form as "Åskvigg". Cheers mate.
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  56. Knowledgeable is a bit of a stretch, even though its a low bar to clear among the most famous ones.
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  57.  @sync1216  The uncovered ones are the ones that every car got.
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  58. ​ @benjaminsmith2287  To be fair, most SUVs havent been SUVs since the term was coined.
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  59. You shouldnt have missed the built in air compressor with included tire filler Doug, thats one quirk you dont see often....
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  60.  @nickjacobs1770  Tons of low volume sports/kit cars use them, in fact I bet some still do!
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  61. My uncle had a name for the modes in his old Audi: -from "mild summer breeze" to "fried bacon".
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  62. Think of how lots of people are taking the bus/train in europe. Think of how many hate or are completely disinterested in cars. Now think about how in US, those kind of people are driving, and with a extremely rudimentary drivers education compared to europeans. No wonder anything that is any harder to use or unfamiliar is a total turnoff for them.
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  63.  @mclarenfatigue  What assertions? That station wagons wont sell all that much, foe example? On the contrary, the are most often correct... despite the wishful thinking of various people. As they should be, since they got oodles of data and statistics that can be analysed, whereas the average person got nothing of the sort.
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  64.  @robertschnobert9090  Dont know, it actually might be quite useful if driven at very high speeds. Remember the Audi TT woes from way back when...
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  65.  @quaymiller324  Yep, its a good thing. Separates the wheat from the chaff.
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  66. I think it may have been the first car ever to get stability control as standard for all versions after the recall. Certainly among the very first. As far as I know, they also changed the roll bars, springs and shocks to harder items, as well as changed the tire dimensions in the recall action.
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  67. I doubt they are more quiet than many other cars though.... from the inside, that is. Tests havent borne this out as far as I know. In the ICE cars where you cant hear the engine anyway, I dont see how they can have an advantage in comparison.
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  68.  @karolj2510  @dhmacher has given the correct answer above.
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  69.  @drewo.127  As the other guy said, oil coolers are pretty common on air cooled cars. One notable and well known example being most old Porsches has this configuration.
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  70.  @nowhereman8656  Doug is a "car guy" but not the kind that knows or have any deeper interest in how anythng mechanical, cars or otherwise, work. Relatively uncommon (in the US) models is his forte.
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  71. Not only probably better than air suspension for reliability, its magnitudes better than most air suspension systems in that regard, take it from me.
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  72. It was.
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  73. Yep, thats exactly what I have always thought as well, looks terrible. "Aftermarket bootlid", partially covering the taillights. Headlights dont look very good either, kind of derpy. Fix those issues and the rest isnt too bad.
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  74. They probably are better function wise than most others, since you can use them without letting go of the steering wheel, and have a firm grip of the door even when opening it. Shame it didnt catch on. Sometimes people are just a bit to conservative.
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  75. I think the "Altezza lights" fad predates the altezza by quite some time, and was popularized by other vehicles, not the altezza itself. Perhaps most famously, the mk4 supra also got them, way before the altezza was out. Conclusion: Calling them "Altezza lights" was just something that caught on, probably because the Lexus IS was a popular car with people that like to style their ride.
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  76.  @justinkrizenesky  Hey, it could have happened... Gran turismo have been know to feature crazier vehicles. Just making a little joke about how theres only one modern car officially named "C5" when sold ;) You could of course have uno reversed me by saying you meant for example a Sinclair C5, but it was never classed as a car as far as I know, more like some kind of electric bícycle/mobility scooter.
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  77. Was a great seller though, and a trend setter. So many copycats today, so it seems it was a great success. I guess it wasnt pointless in many peoples eyes.
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  78. And drive on 3 wheels.
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  79. I can see you point, but it has been used for very high speed racecars since the 1980s at least (Lemans Group C, etc), So even if it is not the most aesthetic, it certainly has function and pedigree.
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  80. Sadly the suspension is no more on new models, not enough customer demand to justify the price.
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  81.  @hi_tech_reptilezz  The suspension was very good for what it was set out to do. It wasnt as unreliable as people think either and for a mechanic that knows his stuff it isnt very hard to fix if it does go wrong either. That being said, as the roads got better in europe/france over the decades it didnt have the advantage of old days anymore. Citroen also made it gradually more stiff over the years to match what people wanted, further limiting its advantage. In the end, when most customers didnt really care about it, it was an easy decision to skip it to save a few bucks production cost. For me it was great because even though I am not a big "comfort" guy, I use the varying ride height feature a lot, as well as the auto leveling, since I tow heavy with mine and drive a bit offroad. Sadly I had to sell my C5, the sucessor, because the FWD isnt great at a slippery boat ramp, with a really heavy boat behind (it was a lot over the max legal tow weight as well, but except for eventual legal issues if I got stopped, it easily coped with it). Wish they did an AWD version. Now I got an old SUV with more mainstream air suspension instead. (which is currently, of course, broken...)
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  82. Quite fast top speed and high speed acceleration for its time.
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  83.  @MisterMonsieur  And not a single argument was seen again, just more bluster. Very well, carry on. But I would advice you to find some confidence in your own choices, getting this worked up over real world facts cant be healthy. Cheers.
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  84. No, they did. But stylus less touchscreens hade been around for decades prior.
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  85. No idea even though you owned one? Amateur... Ok I forgive you :)
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  86.  @MAXsenna00  No sweat mate. Yes, regarding the seats I was a bit disappointed he didnt bring it up, its a pretty unique design feature, and the nickname is pretty fun as well.
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  87.  @JoakimPekkari  Probably more people do then the duck, yes. So you have extrapolated your local circles customs too broadly.
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  88. Same exact model year, even.
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  89. Not many in the US.
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  90. Cloth seats are better for sitting in and driving. The fascination with leather seats is a holdover from when it was an expensive option, which still lives on in peoples mind to this day. if its "upscale" = leather is necessary, in their mind. It has only recently begun to change, and only for some cars. For example, sporty versions of some cars can be higher valued with "cloth" seats compared to leather.
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  91. All kidding aside, it really is a pretty nice car in its own way and good attempt for what they set out to do. EV technology moved really fast back then and it still got much better thermal managment of the batteries than the later Leaf. For those that were/are baffled by is "high" price when introduced, try to find a graph of Lithium battery prices back in the day. Even the, by modern standards, tiny battery in this car was a huge chunk of the retail price of the car. Just a couple of years later the price had halved and today its much less than 1/10 of back then. It was a trailblaszer of sorts back in 2009 and a respectable effort. They are also pretty fun to drive in city traffic.
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  92. ​​ @95mushroom dont know, maybe they he thinks the Urus should have been more special than Porsche, that would make sense. As far as gen 1 Touareg, its a great car and the Cayenne in higher trims was something different enough to be unique at the time, among any brand.
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  93.  @longtailgt  Indeed they might do so. We will see if it reaches this kind of "critical mass" of fame that can enable it to increase substantially in value. I dont believe it will, but it might happen. Cheers.
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  94. Its quite possible, its a simple fact of power vs drag after all, and 750hp is enough for 400km/h if the car doesnt have too much drag. But as most concept/low production cars with a stated top speed, it surely was never tested in the real world.
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  95. and "16 valves" in 1 foot stickers on the side of the car from factory. The future was better in the past.
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  96. Damn, you are right. Didnt think of that, if that is why they made it that way, that is pretty clever!
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  97. If anyone wonders about the numerous blank switches under the "turbo s" climate control lid... Yes, it is possible for every blank seen in this video have a function. And yes, even the turbo S needed the options sheet filled out to make every one do something... You never get stuff for free with porsche...
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  98. Thats gotta be some piggy bank. As big as a house or more? :)
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  99. Spelling of the race was such, you will have to ask the organizers. Probably because it looked cooler.
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  100. Sad M3 noises....
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  101. Cant be beat for the price, thats for sure.
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  102. Was a DS I think. But this one can also do it.
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  103.  @bwofficial1776  People buy cars because of looks, so thats unlikely to happen anytime soon, if left to their own devices.
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  104. ​ @duckylucky6505 The "M performance" cars are as old as four seater Mx cars.... the first ones predates this by about 10 years. People just dont know about them and think its something it isnt.
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  105.  @williamgechtman9287  Just a note, E39 never had a 4 liter, it was a 4.4. Unless you did an engine swap to an older one.
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  106. Yeah, I remember that, wondered if anyone else did until I saw your comment.
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  107. Depends on what you mean by "all the toys". If you mean literally all options, then no. No car did as standard, even the long wheel base v12
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  108. Funny as BMW had used turbos on 2 of their gas powered cars decades earlier, and ALL diesel models, of which they sold maaaany in europe, were turbocharged.
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  109. Range is heavily dependent on the speed, with these especially. If you look at the roads Doug is driving in this review, he would hardly get 30 miles when new.
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  110.  @abarratt8869  I am sure it has. Doesnt make it true, everyone loves a good story, especially the press whos livelyhood depend on it. If you think about the story, I am sure you will also realise that it cant be true. Also, which TVR model used the taillights they wanted to use on the f1? Sorry to be a party pooper, wasnt my intention to bring the mood down, I swear.
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  111. Its just a cool look. Certainly when they introduced it back in the 1980s, it was pretty unique.
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  112.  @JMNTN  Contrary to popular belief and his looks, he is in fact less than 60 years old.
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  113. Almost no chance of a Saxo review. I get why you would import a Xantia, but Saxo? I wonder if there is even a single one in the US:
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  114. Body roll is overrated as a "grip diminisher". It has a very small effect for most cars. Its mostly just psychological. So yeah.
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  115. 4- "free my end" <- what is this? tried to figure it out from the context, but I am a bit stumped, I got to admit... Rear axle?
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  116. Upholstery lasts forever if you are careful. This car was obviously well kept by reaasonably careful owners, so its not a surprise. I doubt it was redone. Europe is filled with cars of similar age of all brands that look similar interior wise.
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  117. I am neither British nor French, but you brits and especially yanks cant pronounce even your own given names correctly, what chance does a small automaker have? So the correction is a lost cause I feel :)
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  118. Percentage wise, those cars may well go up a lot, but not so much in pure money I dont think.
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  119.  @MW-te5fv  Britain is a market upon itself, very different from the US as I am sure you are aware. As long as there is a significant following of a car, and there arent many left, they can garner big money. People have been saying that about beetles for decades now, but it seems they just made to many of them, and too many are left? I think 2CVs might be the same, and they dont have such a big follwing in countries were people collect cars a lot. But its hard to say it really depends if one thinks of as a percentage or as in pure money. I dont think a Trabant or cars of that nature will ever be worth more than 100k USD in my lifetime. But they may well be worth 20k, that could be possible, which is a big increase from lets say the 3k you could buy one for. MG seems like a car just about only brits care about to be honest, but that doesnt really have to mean much, I never really thought a Ford sierra (cosworth) and other "fast Fords" would be worth as much as it currently is. The saying is a Ford Model T had its peak value in the 1950s, and after that went down, even though they became even rarer. Most people that had any connection to them and wanted one simply got too old to buy them any more. I think MGs are in danger of this maybe, hard to see a lot of people currently under 50 or heck even under 60 that are really into MGs.... but we will see. Cheers.
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  120. “Frankenstein Unbound” from 1990 maybe?
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  121. The suspension is reliable enough, its problems are vastly overstated. C5 mk 3 is one of the most reliable cars in its markets according to statistics.
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  122. This is a wonderful car, but fastest four cylinder in 1987? Fastest 4 cylinder family car maybe... And even that is a big maybe.
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  123. Asking or expecting french people to smoke less is just a bridge to far, man.
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  124. Thank god, It was the definition of stupid gimmick of being different for the sake of being different from the start.
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  125.  @nominalvelocity  Yep, 100% that is oem. My grandma had the exact same one in their 1991 Audi 100, which was the last year of this body style.
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  126. M3 isnt a sports car. Never was. The first was a homologation car based on a compact premium sedan. From the second generation on, Its a compact Sporty GT. So yes, there are people that would have bought it even if they had inifinite money, but not the sportds car buyers, no. As for which was the best, I would say the E36 (euro, obviously) was when they were the most in front of their competitors, (though this can be debated), which I guess would qualify as "best" to me.
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  127. Yes, "carbon fiber" on production line vehicles is nothing but cosmetic.
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  128. Not sold in the US, so probably no chance.
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  129. Doug: I am here to tell you about quirks/features and chew bubblegum. And I am all out of gum...
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  130.  @maynarddrivesfast804  Yeah, I know, but I was talking mainly about procuring and fitting replacement glass after it breaks. Shouldnt be impossible, manufacturers have a database so the glass fitting shop can order directly from resellers, no need to go through the manufacturer.
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  131.  @Yvaneify  If thats all you need, its fair enough I say.
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  132.  @Yvaneify  Yes, but you are not paying top dollar. Its cheaper than the higher spec 7 series. For those that want and need more, well that choice is still there. This is for those that dont care. Havent you seen lots of comments that say "just more stuff to break, I dont need it!"? Car review videos are often littered by them. More choice is a good thing.
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  133. If shark jumping brings the big bux, I dont blame them.
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  134.  @theconformist2399  Well, there is one but I buy them very old at very depreciated prices, not new, so I guess you are correct. Oh, And I would for darn sure not buy one that doesnt have a tow hitch.
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  135.  @GlennC789  Yep exactly regarding model number, but I wonder in what way was it a lie that it wasnt "equivalent" do you think? Or do you mean just the model numbering in itself was seen as a "lie"?
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  136.  @FuckTrumpFuckYouIfYouVoted4Him  No, its as simple as your posting here makes literally no sense, which is simple to see. On top of that, you obviously dont believe it yourself either. So that leaves two alternatives: Some form of grave impairment or trolling. Neither of which I am intersted in interacting with further. This will be it.
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  137.  @BaM7Up  And 523 e39. 750 e38. And other examples, just in the 90s, yes. Had a 540 E39 myself.
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  138.  @lbnewell23  Almost right, it was the one two generations previous, with the model code "E23" 7 series that did that, back in the 80s, as I wrote from the start above. Dont expect any reply that adressed what you meant from that guy, hes obviously not interested in having a serious discussion for whatever reason. Nothing unusual about that, but for obvious reasons there is little sense in engaging with it seriously.
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  139.  @wormer66  Nah, 50hp is enough for 90mph in a really small car. Factor in speedo error and 90 shouldnt be that hard. Dont know hp of the 1.3, but if it has 75 or so, it should do an indicated 100 without too much trouble.
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  140. Some race cars as well. We should still have them, they are awesome.
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  141. Yeah, I dont think that model was availible with turbo, too early for that?
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  142. I agree always liked the C5, I had one myself with the 2.0 140hp. Not a bad car. Especially the ground clearance when in its tallest suspension mode made it very practical.
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  143.  @justinkrizenesky  Au contraire my friend, they were availible with everything from 1.6 liter petrol engines up to V6 diesels. Never V8s though. V8s are very uncommon in French cars generally, I doubt Citroen has ever made a v8 car at all?
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  144. Only thing is "car community" dont buy new cars, normies do. So car community poo-poo ing something wont lead to lower sales in any meaningful way, even less so in years prior when cheap credit was harder to come by. So its more like nostalgia and tons of other factors that are specific to each car. Muscle cars gone up because of the era that followed with weedy cars for decades. NSX and stuff like that is the Gran turismo and Fast and furious which gave them free marketing etc.
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  145.  @galacticboy2009  No, its a function of politics, not size or population.
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  146.  @davidlloyd1526  Well number of parts in any product is not very much correlated to its price at all. A diamond is made of a piece of carbon, yet its quite pricey for its mass/weight.
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  147. You are correct but from the perspective of a lot of customers it was. Anything that isnt 100% intuitive and "Always like it has been" draws heavy criticism from many customers.
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  148. Hear, hear!
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  149.  @MisterMonsieur  No, I understand just fine, its you who interpreted what I wrote wrongly. I never said "Recent" marketing, those brands made their name many decades ago via, thats right, marketing among other things. But they do also have a lot of more modern marketing as well, supplanting their older already entrenched reputation as luxury goods. "People" dont generally buy luxury goods for any superior function, they do it to show off. Secondly, who are "We" here? I was talking about the average buyer of a mechanical watch, in the same way as the average buyer of a sportscar or high end car. I would have thought that was clear from the context of the OP and my earlier post. Pure enthusiasts of mechanical constructions are so few it couldnt keep an automaker or a high end watchmaker such as Rolex economically solvent for a week... So they are hardly worth mentioning in the context of a "market".
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  150.  @MisterMonsieur  Surely you cant dispute what I said about them being viewed as anything more than an investment or luxury goods to be shown off by the majority of owners, or else you would have offered some sort of refutation instead of a string of Ad hominems? I seriously dont understand what you are so triggered about. Why cant you be satisfied in loving watches for yourself? Why do everyone who buy them have to be enthusiasts? Are you scared of being mixed up with one of the "posers" yourself? Understandable, but dont take it out on me, please. I am simply making analogies between the classic car collector/entusiast market and watch market, expanding on what the OP wrote. Settle down.
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  151.  @SlackActionBumble  Somewhat right. There are different customers, but the majority couldnt care less if it was made of cheese. The pure "status symbol, non nerd" buyer are for sure way, way above 90%. Know a few myself. The "true nerd" customer that appreciate the mechanicals are likely very low single percentage range. I know of one such guy, and could also potentially be one myself, but I am too nerdy to accept something that tell the time so much objectively worse than a quartz one. Which is why I use a high end quartz watch. To each their own.
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  152. Its only terrible as a model in as much as Ford Model T was terrible.
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  153.  @bwofficial1776  Yes a model T is a great car and when the model was introduced, this was pretty good as well. Lets make the comparison to a Benz patent motorwagen instead then, perhaps thats better to get the point across. It was realistically the only game in town at first. In terms of usability it was the best EV ever sold, by quite some margin. Cant expect more than that.
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  154.  @mikeydude750  That may be. It also may not. There is very little correlation these days.
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  155.  @Brianfightingmad  You post somewhat implies thats not the case for every "side". Which is, of course, untrue. So its kind of pointless commenting about it, its much akin to being surprised sports team A fans doesnt like when Sports team B beats their team. Well, duh.
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  156. Dont know for sure if my car truly has multiple individual fans, or if its just a airflow valve you can adjust, but it does have an individual software "airflow" setting for both the front AND the rear passengers, so 4 in total. Porsche Cayenne.
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  157. As much as I love an M57, even the aluminium ones got to be too heavy... Maybe I am wrong, I havent looked up the engine weight of this one.
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  158. @freepieanchipsgarage No stock BMW E34 is faster than a Lotus Omega, so that would be one strange record.
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  159. @freepieanchipsgarage I was around at that time. And yes, it indeed was electronically limited. Thats one of the reasons it could never be as fast as the Lotus Omega, so where did you get that "fact" from saying it was faster, I wonder?
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  160. Yes he is, but a lot of people felt the same. One can debate what this says about their intelligence and hand coordination, but there it is...
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  161. Hear, hear!
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  162. So you miss the time before the mid 1980s then? I have seen this comment a lot and its nothing personal but maybe read up a little next time.
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  163.  @ev4n5eli0n01  I think its fair to count M tech, which was the same as modern M sport in all but name more or less and then it is even earlier actually, the M535i e28 was the first M "pack" car, as far as I am aware. It debuted in the mid 1980s. You could call the M635Csi the first M pack car, but it really just was an M6 without the M6 name.
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  164. I am guessing because of the "Glass" then having to be tested and certified to (expensive) lightning regulations, something they probably didnt wish to pay for with a production run of 50 cars. Most low volume cars use lights from other cars, like the famous Nissan 300ZX headlights on the Lamborghini Diablo for example.
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  165.  @paulie-Gualtieri.  Substitute "reality" for a more neutral phrasing such as "cars like this" and I might be inclined to agree.
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  166.  @joelsanfordphoto  Most people, in fact the vast, vast majority of them his age and younger dont know about chrome tapes and never heard about them. That is 100% certain.
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  167. Scale is based on 0-60. Below 3s is a 10, I think. So yeah, a plaid with theoretical below 2s would be a "12".
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  168. Surely they are manually placed? How would it know that otherwise, I wonder?
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  169. Yeah, seem like a questionable design when it comes to other considerations than "coolness".
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  170. Rolls them down I think, the lock button rolls them up. At least in mine.
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  171. Yeah its not great. But it does the job.
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  172.  @carsaregood911  Yes I know. Since there are so many permutations of engine options (diezel, v6, v8 etc) for both cayenne and rangie, I didnt feel like typing it, just added on what OP said.
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  173. Exactly. Though I really think he meant "couldnt sell them at the MSRP" but exaggerated a bit. In comparison to other cars that fly off the shelves even at, or above MSRP.
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  174. Not a bad idea, but is Doug really the kind of guy to gauge that sort of thing accurately?
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  175. Now that you mention it.... But I also cant remember. But I have been in a CX just like this one. Only difference was the color.
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  176. A wise choice, no doubt.
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  177. Probably wont happen since they are not sold in the US, and too new to be imported.
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  178. Doug makes some good points here, BUT it also looks a bit like the logic is about the same as saying playing the lottery is certain to make you rich... and as an example of that being true, just looking at lottery winners.
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  179.  @chinadashauthority65  Eh... were to start with this one. Read the comment I replied to again, and look up what buffeting means. Then you can get back to me. I am sure you will find that occams razor and general logic, strongly favor my explanation.
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  180.  The Moth  I dont know. Its an educated guess. I just know that it has been an exclusive M design feature since the E36 M3 debuted more than 25 years ago. Surely a top spec 7 series could get 10 cents worth of plastics extra tacked on the mirror if it made a discernable difference in comfort? I find it more likely that its there to look cooler than the base model, just as the M exclusive rounded housing interior rear view mirror they had in the e39 and e46 days.
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  181.  @tobiasnaylor  Not sure about that one, since the toyota uses standard BMW mirrors it is easy to fit M model mirrors to it. People have tried them and reported no difference, though I am sure there are also those who have reported one. I Still think its to much of a coincidence that every M3 since 1993 uses them, but no non M model, including cars that had much buffeting problems, such as my old 540i which was more expensive than an M3. Seems a bit strange, wouldnt you say? Oh, and its called buffeting, not buffering but I understood what you meant so no sweat. Just a heads up.
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  182. That seatbelt helping arm looks EXACTLY like the one in my BMW coupe. Maybe they bought some stock from BMW or at least the same supplier? Pretty cool.
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  183. They do work when new. But they get worn down over time and stop working. Probably yours have way more milage than this one? The ones in mine work fine.
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  184.  @chastenchilders6353  Guess you are just unlucky then, maybe some lubrication in the right spot will help?
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  185. His brain works in mysterious ways. Sometimes those ways are a little too desperate to find quirks where there are none.
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  186.  @NMT1995  Yep, thats exactly it. It switches in different modes.
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  187. Yep, thats it.
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  188.  @SwapBlogRU  Too true.
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  189. Seems like it does a lot right. But the big hurdle will be if they can mass produce it to a reasonable standard of quality and reliability. Lets hope so.
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  190. Button molds and construction is expensive as heck. Thats why so many cars share them to this day. In the 1980s, ugly black plastic is just what they used for buttons in every car. Audi was one of the first brands to use decent feeling plastic buttons back in the late 1980s.
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  191.  @testcardsandmore1231  That was just what was availible at the time. There really wasnt anything better to stick there. Sourcing different plastics and make new buttons, would have been expensive like you wouldnt believe. If a small volume manufacturer would have taken it upon themselves, it could easily have increased the price of each car with thousands of dollars. Just about nobody at the time would have payed that. I agree it looks very stupid and I found the quality of plastics of every car laughable until Audi lauched their late 1980s cars. But the simple fact is most people dont care, caring about such things (or saying you do) is a modern "fad" for the general population. So they wouldnt have benefitted by selling more cars. Since this subject is so broad, I can write an thesis or two about all this malarkey, but this this will have to do for now, unless you have any specific questions. Cheers.
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  192. Its for those people that those 100k they would save in your example is totally inconsequential.
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  193. Its not. This easily beats it, and all other models since in "controversy factor". You just hear more about other cars these days because of social media. This one is undefeated.
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  194. Indeed, cant understand people complaining about this and other cars that dont have them. Especially when it is hardcore drivers cars like Ariel Atoms. come on, its not that hard. All(?) motorcycles as far as I know makes do with them..
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  195. Climate control blanks are for options. Makes sense to put blanks/options behind a door, if you are going to have one, instead of outside it.
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  196. I dunno Doug, I have caught my Toyota Highlander sneaking away to do sword fights on multiple occasions.
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  197. Seems way smarter than the usual setup.
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  198. Its a Porsche. "All" cars platform shares these days.
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  199. The crime was thas it wasnt important, since no one followed in its footsteps.. Sad, really.
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  200. Maybe it can be retrofitted if you are crazy enough.
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  201. Noble might be too unknown. But that might be offset by low production numbers. Mk7 Golfs they just made too many of I think, dont see why it will follow a different curve than earlier Golf GTIs that take at least 3 decades to be worth some reasonable money.
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  202.  @longtailgt  I think those media apperances of the Noble are too brief. The first F&F movies were cultural icons, the later ones, not really. Koenigsegg had just as many apperances on top gear, in the 2000s, in fact one could say even more with that "koenigsesnensnensnen..." sign visible on top of the track time leaderboard every episode. It was Koenigsegg marketing and video games that made them more popular in recent time, I would wager hardly one in hundred (worldwide) who have heard of koenigsegg have heard of Noble. I dont think many Golf 8 buyers care about buttons or design, in fact there could even be more that prefer it. Its mostly people who werent going to buy it that comments, same as every car in that regard. I think it will follow the earlier golfs value wise, but we will see.
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  203. Probably too new, and too low interest in the US for someone to import them unfortunately.
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  204. I find it interesting to note that Doug evidently doesnt know of a "boosted start", or any kind of start that slips the clutch and uses high rpm. Not a guy whos ever been to a drag strip or even tried to do a fast start from a standstill it seems. Heres how to do it: Brake boost the car to rev limiter, more or less. Release the clutch as fast as you can. Pray that the drivetrain will survive. Now you more or less got the optimal acceleration time in an AWD car, if it survives.
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  205. Its a tossup, half of one and 50% of the other in that regard. 3.2 got better power etc but this got the aero bits and bracing.
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  206. Asian market loved it as far as I know. "Too much" is just right there, and thats what they were going for. History is written by the winners etc.
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  207. I know where you can buy one just like this one, but black. Interested?
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  208. Torque is a function of displacement in an NA engine, no way around that so I guess the G37 would have about the same then? Nothing strange about it.
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  209. Yeah, but number of cylinders dont really contribute to torque. 4 liter vs 3,7 is about 8 percent more and 295 vs 270 is 9 percent more, so a measly 1% of difference not explained by displacement. The difference between one engine to the next on the factory line has to be more than that. Nowadays of course, almost all cars has forced induction, which makes this discussion relevant mostly to older cars. My car has about 600 lb ft, but it drops considerably as most turbo cars do, and the max hp is already at a measly 4000 rpm or so, making it about 350-360hp.
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  210. Yes. And drive on three wheels.
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  211. Looks very well taken care of. I like it, seems like they did what they could with available space. I think the idea of all the brown and shag carpet is that it is "warm" and "cosy" compared to todays sterile gloss white/black. Fun lovers vs germaphobes, where did we go wrong?
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  212. Yeah, but even those newer cars arent as controversial as this. So in that regard he is right.
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  213. The whole point of the Vector W8 was that it had more power than any other supercar at the time, from a relatively cheap "mass produced" good old american push rod V8. More speed for the dollar compared to european supercars was the selling point. With that M12 version, they put a lower power engine, that presumably was quite expensive, into a car with almost zero brand recognition compared to the lamborghini it shared its engine with. The idea is so strange from a marketing perspective and obviously so, it must have been concieved as some kind of scam?
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  214. What would those things be, I have a similar car myself and dont feel he was any worse than usual.
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  215. ​​​ @ScathingMobile Yeah, but to be fair a tarted up Touareg is a great start; the gen 1 Touareg was a great car when it comes to capabilities, and the Cayenne even more so on its front. Nothing else like it for sale at the time. Not that it mattered though, majority was sold because of brand, same as every high priced car.
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  216. Maybe so, but you really can get quite a big weight loss relatively speaking in using titanium if the exhaust is big, which it presumably is on this car. My titanium four cylinder motorcycle headers saves 2kg or so as far as I know, and thats just the headers of a small (compared to a car) motorcycle engine.
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  217. You can argue that depending on your viewpoint, but I dont think anyone will argue its been a total economic gain in any way in the short term for him or any of his companies.
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  218.  @ButtMcDuck  Removing the radar and just using optics for forward sensing was a terrible mistake from a risk perspective, thats for sure.
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  219. They might, but they are not getting that 1st place spot from this.
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  220.  @alisterelite9518  Yeah... seems you have been let down by your confidence this time. Posting while intoxicated isnt advisable sometimes.
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  221.  @alisterelite9518  Even without the booze talking? Impressive, but I dont buy it. Cheers.
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  222.  @alisterelite9518  You are right, I havent touched one. I have touched several. Cheers.
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  223.  @alisterelite9518  You are a funny guy, I will give you that.
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  224.  @Mr_Cool  I think they are on par with their EV competitors in the same price range for "luxury". Doubtful you can call a M3 or Y being in the luxury price segment anyway these days but...
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  225.  @Mr_Cool  Yeah, I just dont consider 60k dollar a luxury price, and because of that a 5 series not a luxury car in Sweden. Its a middle class car. Also, very few customers really care about stuff like interior quality etc. in the real world. If they pay more than 20k, they want a brand name that suits them, rest isnt all that important.
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  226.  @Mr_Cool  What do you define as quality/luxury in this case and how is a 5 series superior? Depends on how many years ago for 60k, I would say since they are mostly bought by middle class customers its hard to define it as luxury, but on the other hand we must both agree that "luxury" has no fixed definition in this area so it really is in the eye of the beholder. I stand by my defintion as outlined above. As for the last part, I can somwehat agree with that but maybe not for the same reasons. I sold my newer cars and bought older ones because I like the more "honest" driving dynamics of the older ones more. Cheers.
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  227.  @knarfweasel  the expression "middle class" has got a lot of definitions but a common technical one has the middle class far beyond income wise what most people think. In short, if you need to work for a living, you are still in the middle class. Funnily enough, by the same definition the average "middle class" Northwestern european or American is richer than the average Swede in the same bracket, so I doubt the any move would be beneficial.
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  228.  @КириллМихалин-ю5ы  Too bad not enough people would pay for those features, thats why they are gone.
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  229.  @КириллМихалин-ю5ы  Yes, citroens big cars havent been a sales success since the DS days...
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  230. Tons of them, I am sure. It honestly seems like a lot of the example he brought up are because of extrenal factors. Supernirds have gone up, yeah but so has every muscle car. And as far as I know they were worth more 15 years ago. NSX have gone up, but so have every japanese sports car from 1985-2005 more or less, etc
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  231.  @GoalSquad666  Yep, low spec cars brand new cars are mostly bought by older people that didnt grow up with certain features and see no need for them.
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  232.  @ruk2023--  Yes I can agree with those things, However, some people who are not well versed in how many options there truly are for BMW and Mercedes, (and in modern days Audi as well) think thats pretty much all you can get, when there are tons more. Often seen in ads stating "full spec" or similar ;) when just about not a single one ever left the factory with full option. Even my 3 series which hasnt got as many options availible to buy as a 7 series, has got options availible that most people never heard of. My car for example got special "individual" stereo and color choice. Radar cruise control which most people havent heard of was availible in an old e9x 3 series etc. I know there was a guy who brought his own wood pieces from a tree he cut down to BMW so they could make the interior trim pieces out of it for his M6, for a cost of something like 30k USD... Yeah its pretty wild. But I see what you meant, fair enough! Cheers mate.
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  233. There is close to no demand for it though. Thats a big reason they went away, so unfortunately "a lot" just isnt... a lot.
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  234. Japanese boom economy was a wonder and made many things temporarily possible. Too bad about later..
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  235. Nah he is kind of right, from a viewpoint. Modern tires and chassis are much harder, making the steering feel more direct and precise.
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  236.  @BradBolin  Dont really know how to put it more simply.. perhaps the word "stiffer" instead of "harder" would be better suited? Modern cars generally stiffer tire sidewalls/carcass, stiffer chassis bushings and stiffer suspension all gives less mechanical load variation reaction to steering, and less "play", which certainly can be felt as being more precise.
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  237. Different production lines probably?
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  238. Yeah, I certainly would do that. Guess some people are just built different.
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  239. Sidenote: As far as I have heard, the Nissan R390s engine is the basis of what powers ALL modern V8 Mclarens. Mclaren bought the blueprints.
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  240. Like old BMWs
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  241. Sure, but those driver aids can be shut off with a simple button, even quite a few years later. Also, many dont know you could get "M" variants even before this car landed in the US, case in point, the M535i of the same body style for example.
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  242.  @mescko  BMW is in the primary business of building road cars for the general public after all, and as such all those electronics are needed, both from customer demand and legislative such, as well as euro-ncap and the like. But fret not, they dont really add much weight in reality, just a few kg:s. As a percentage of total vehicle weight its miniscule. Even one of the best drivers in the world, doing max attack laps around a racetrack wouldnt feel the weight penalty. So in that regard there is no downside for you, really. Cheers.
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  243. E92 also does. Dont know why this one doesnt, maybe something to do with the upholstery?
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  244. Maybe, but then it is kind of ridiculous, how much does the mechanism weigh, 2 lbs at the most? Who cares in a sporty GT car, its not an ariel atom. We are getting dangerously close to Porsche levels of poseur weight savings then….
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  245. No one in the US has heard of them I think?
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  246.  @sasandabirian8768  It seems you are right, didnt know that. Wonder how many they sold, cant have been many.
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  247. E30 was outdated styling wise even at launch more or less. It only had gotten worse when the M3 launched, so the heavy aero mods such as the taller bootlid saved a very long in the teeth looking car. Thats why it is very respectable.
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  248. I dont think they got a bad memory per se, I think they are just stuck in their own financial wishful thinking fantasy... and would prefer to stay there forever, if possible.
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  249.  @ArthurZakaryan23  I would be surprised if it was a cheap as 100k to build it, to be honest. Twice as much wouldnt be unthinkable if we include everything in my world. Things rack up fast if you want everything done...
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  250.  @Afraz_9n3  Shocking only when comparing a standard car in another part of the world. Custom builds done the right way are always at least this price or even way, way more.
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  251. Not a bad review, but please dont perpetuate the myth that a rear spoiler has no effect on a front wheel drive car. I dont know how or where this myth originated, but I have heard it said by "anti ricers" since the early 2000s. I can only assume they think a spoiler/wing is for increasing the pressure over the driven wheels. It isnt, and I have never heard of a car where it primarily is. It is for counteracting general aerodynamic lift at higher speeds. Modern "normal" cars factory mounted spoilers such as on this c6 are mostly intended to stabilise the rear while braking from high speed.
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  252. It is a sports car Doug... Sports cars have nothing to do with performance numbers. Come on Doug, you know that.
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  253. Look at it like this; Your beetle has 935 door handles, you will get mad puss dropping that factoid casually when you have some chick with you.
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  254. As it should be.
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  255. 335i N54 manual my man. You can put the m3 suspension bits on it if you want. Or if you really wanna be cool, 335d. Fuel economy of a 4 cylinder, torque of a truck.
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  256. I feel leather is functionally crap compared to almost anything else. The fascination with leather seems mostly contained to english speaking countries, I guess its a relic of old times when it was an expensive upscale option so a lot of people feel they have to have it or they will look poor.
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  257.  @iHaveTheDocuments  Yes, I had to search for quite some time to find mine with the alcantara seats, but the difference is real on track. Never again leather for me in a "sporty" car.
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  258. Sounds about right. It all depends on what one wants to use the car for.
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  259. No Doug, the 968 Turbo S is the coolest and rarest street legal 968. Find one of those to review, I dare you. This is a nice car, but nothing compared to that.
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  260. It certainly was very good for its time.
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  261. Not that I have driven one, but I objectively I seriously doubt it does much for a example a mundane 720s doesnt. NA engine and manual gearbox I suppose, but still... As a collector object, its seems worth it for the rarity etc. Also from a historical perspective, when it launched it made every other supercar look either old hat or like a hopped up kitcar, with perhaps a few exceptions in some regards, but...
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  262.  @DubioserAltschauerberger1510  C6 got hydro pneumatic, as Doug said. As does most old larger citroens.
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  263. LOVE that interior!
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  264. Re: turn signals: People are stupid. Really stupid. And car reviewers have to have something to say. Thats about it.
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  265. Yeah, horsepower is overrated, you can make do with way less than people think if you manhandle that throttle pedal enough.
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  266. at 10:20 there really are that many blank buttons because its not high spec enough. Every single one of those blanks are used if you get more climate options for it.
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  267. Great post. Though I am sorry to say your last paragraph makes a sweet anecdote, but there is no way that is true. Everyone even remotly involved in car design learns of the lightning certification woes while they are still in diapers, pretty much. But I do agree it makes a good story.
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  268. A third more power would make quite some difference at speed.
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  269. Yeah those thank volumes were pretty common back in the day. Paired with a miserly diesel, almost every car that wasnt a supermini/subcompact could get 1000+ km of range if driven sensibly on the motorway.
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  270.  @SteveBratt  Yes, thats certainly true.
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  271.  @woooozaaa6528  You are correct in what you said about Doug, but Diesel? Surely this is the Gas powered one, known as the "GTI"? So I think in this case you are barking a bit up the wrong tree...
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  272.  @woooozaaa6528  It goes "warning" red at 5000, and goes full red at 5500, not really uncommon at all for an 8 valve 2.5 liter 4 cylinder at the time. I can see why you would think it sounds like a diesel, but I think that is just a function of the exhaust. Finally, you can get a very good look at the engine in this video, and it is for sure the gas powered "GTI" one, (google) search for pictures of the diesel and gas engine, and it is obvious this is the gas one, they look very different. No hard feelings, just a heads up nobody is perfect all the time.
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  273. In europe it is. And this is a european car, so... maybe?
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  274. He forgot/didnt know.
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  275.  @thecianinator  Pretty sure it is.
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  276.  @bindingcurve  Maybe I am a bit slow, but I dont get this? The light on the shifter is always on when the rest of the interior lights are on, and there certainly werent any traction control back in the days when they introduced it. So I must be misunderstanding the point/joke you are making?
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  277.  @bindingcurve  Oh, ok. Then I get it. I just thought since the original poster talked about the shift knob, that you also did.
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  278.  @bindingcurve  I have actually owned one with this exact model shift knob, and it did not get bad during the time I had it, at least. Quality of it seemed ok to me. Perhaps if you got a lot of rings on your fingers you can scratch it, but it wasnt an issue for me.
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  279. The exact spec of the car has to be homologated by its manufacturer, or its illegal to sell or import it (and use it). The law is uncompromising in this regard, doesnt matter that another manufacturer already have effectively the same car approved, have to be done 100% again in all areas. Obviously Aston never did with this.
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  280. Imiev in the intro? Interesting...
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  281. Cheap? Huh? These are more expensive in all ways, I am pretty sure. I think you meant another word.
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  282.  @donleamon8653  No your right, at least a year or so after launch, it really didnt get all that much attention.
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  283. There is a promotional video from the time of it on youtube where it is doing honest to goodness rock-crawling. And Doug was wrong, its ground clearance is not as good as, it is way more than most SUV "soft roaders" these days. It is awesome. I had a C5 mk 2 and though it did not have this range in the suspension, it was awesome as well.
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