Comments by "Juzu Juzu" (@juzujuzu4555) on "Linux Is Free if You Don't Value Your Time" video.

"Cars are waste of time. You need to learn to drive it, which takes months. You need to change oils and tires, and it takes time. If you would instead walk, you would get to your destination much before than you learn to drive a car." I wrote this before listening the whole video. It seems that Mental Outlaw is my spirit animal for having the exact same metaphor. And of course being Gentoo user and Linux advocate =)
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My 73yr old mother that knows nothing of computers uses Lubuntu. She only use Firefox and rarely Libreoffice for pretty simple writing. Before I used to get lots of calls for help. After the first month with Lubuntu, I have never needed to help her. Linux updates drivers, software, operating system, all automatically. That's amazing for someone like my mother.
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@sopota6469 Windows update is complete mess. I don't know what the root access has to do with this, but of course I gave her the password so she can update kernel etc. She didn't cause problems to Windows, that's not the reason she called for help. Most of the time there was nothing wrong, but she just didn't know what to do on that situation. And she feared the updating process as once the system stopped working. And once I had to install Windows from scratch because of rootkit. And her laptop is single core 1.8ghz Celeron from 2006, though it has really nice display for it's age, so running Windows became also too demanding. It has 2gb or RAM so it's quite usable with Linux still. And having the slowest possible 2.5" HDD is much faster with Linux than Windows, and that helps a lot with the speed, as does the fact that no Windows defender is required and less/no swapping is required.
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@carrolltonnewsjournal Do you think over 70 year old females have a lot of people that can help with Windows problems? And certainly none of these people could make Windows run any faster on ancient machine. And as I said, there has been no phone calls related to Linux since the initial transition period. Giving her computer that doesn't cause problems and run faster was the only goal I had in my mind, she is my mother after all.
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@carrolltonnewsjournal I have been using Windows since 1990 so I know how Windows works. I have been working also on tech support, and since that time being the guy all my friends and family call for support. So yes, I do realize how Windows works or more often how it doesn't. Windows driver updates are better now, but windows update as a whole is total garbage. MAC could be great for my mother but she doesn't have MAC. Lubuntu LTS has 5 year support, and as I installed 18.04 to her, before it ends, I'm planning to giver her my current own laptop. After all, she is using 14yr old laptop. And updating from Lubuntu to newer Lubuntu would be just a push of a button essentially. It would take only a slightly longer time than some of the big monthly windows updates. But as there really no need to update that old laptop, it stays with the 18.04 LTS version. At least for the time being.
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@rasuru Thank you, and you sir have a great taste with people :)
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@sidgillespie5879 I had to install, teach, setup Windows for her as well. But most of all I had to try to help her fix issues when she called, and those phonecalls were hellish and took forever. The amount I spent teaching her got saved during the first 6 months at most. And most importantly she got more responsive computer and she didn't have to feel anxious every time she had to install updates like before. Now I feel like she doesn't even have a computer, as the previous 20 years I had to help her with computer problems and there were at least certain questions that popped up during our phone calls, even if there were no problems. For example, "can I click certain dialog that asks me to update". Now she knows she can accept all Linux software updater suggested updates and I have not heard anything related to updates for nearly two years.
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@blitzwing1 It seems that you certainly know a thing or two about low IQ.
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@lechgolas6400 I am normal person, and it's just couple of years when I migrated to Linux. Also I understand that people are lazy, they don't do what's best for them, instead they make up all kinds of excuses. Yes, that's humanity. Also my comment was against the techlead's comment, not a suggestion that everybody should migrate to Linux. Linux has intuitive desktop environments, you don't need to use terminal at all if you don't want to, even I rarely do. And the things I do use it for are mostly installing software. It's not like you don't have to write things on web browser to download software. But you certainly can use software center if terminal makes you too uncomfortable. Linux doesn't require you to learn much at all. It allows you to learn if you want to. It benefits security, stability, performance and less resource usage. And on Vulkan games you can achieve the same FPS, or even higher. Though I would never suggest Linux for someone that mainly plays games and who also at the same time isn't enthusiast. Linux saves you more time in total. So the argument techlead makes is BS. But the sad thing is that people have no clue about that. They need someone close to them to convince them But certainly there are lots of people who should just stay with Windows. But in those cases the argument of wasted time is irrelevant anyways, and thus this comment wasn't about them.
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@Jmod8 You clearly didn't understand where I came from. Yes, most people know that driving a car gets them places faster and more conveniently. They don't know that learning Linux makes their life simpler on the long run, save time, make them more productive, keep them more secure and allow them more privacy. Plus all the other things that perhaps fall more for the enthusiast level. Majority of people find those things useful. They just don't believe Linux could give it to them, or just don't want to learn new things since they have learned Windows. That is valid point for a lot of people that don't use computer much. That analogy is answer to the title of the video and common critique how Linux is really expensive because it takes so much of your time. Which is BS. It doesn't take longer to learn Linux than Windows, assuming you have not used either and choose user friendly distro. Though Linux allows you to learn more as you could essentially change everything in it because it's license allows you to change the source code which is openly available.
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If we have two equal persons that have never used a computer, first one starts with Windows, second with Linux. I would say that the Linux one wastes less time on shite and will be more productive. So the only thing that Windows has over Linux is that almost everyone knows how to use it. Then the question becomes, is learning Linux worth it if you already know Windows. And the answer is yes for most people. But as people are lazy, having it easier now wins over having it easier overall. And of course lots of people don't know Linux would be better. It's easy to dismiss "opinions" of others. But planting seeds everywhere that Linux is better, faster, lighter, safer, more private etc. in subtle way, helps people to start taking it more serious and get interested in it. Promoting Linux in subtle way is more effective that straight out expressing that you are Linux enthusiast, of course Linux enthusiast praise Linux, so it doesn't work as "subconscious seed" but it might be better strategy to use for tech enthusiasts.
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@Jmod8 Building a computer saves you about the amount that you make in couple of hours to couple of days at most. If you take the time better OS can help you in all the ways I explained during the rest of your life, it's going to be HUGE number of hours. And sure, normies don't want to have an effort, mostly because they don't know the benefits. If someone tells them, it's not the same as knowing. And if you value security and privacy, it's obvious choice. It also runs better with older machines, allowing some real ancient machines to get into new life. But the analogy was just against the "Linux is not free, you pay it with your time" claim. Against that claim the analogy works. Why you would ever start to learn driving a car, just walk or use cycle and you certainly are there before you have a drivers license. And that analogy is pointing out that when you compare two things like OS', you need to compare the total benefits, not just the next 5 minutes or next 5 days. Sure if you know Windows already, Linux takes time, but is it worth it? That is the question. And I argue in most cases it is. My mother had his first Linux installed by me when she turned 71. Now after almost 3 years, she has already saved a ton of time. She didn't have to learn much at all, and it allowed her to get trouble free, maintenance free machine that runs much faster. But of course there are lots of people that just can't migrate, or who would have to give up something for it. Or who have no person to help them with Linux. So there are lots of valid reasons for staying with Windows. Just the arguments against Linux were shitty by techlead and other people that say the same.
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@josecarlosxyz So what if grandpa or grandma isn't a professional user. My story at least is 100% real and it has had a large impact on my life and my mothers life. Here's one dude who switched to Linux and is real and at least somewhat pro user, check out this video and perhaps his couple other Linux videos too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sn9ruNAW_4 I'm developer myself, and professional developers tend to use Linux a lot. You would use Windows only if you really have to. Linux is just so much better. On the university that I went, we all got Linux laptops and all work got done within Linux. At least if you studied math, physics, chemistry or computer science that was the case. Other subjects were on other campus, but I assume that was universal in our university, which is the biggest in our country and quite high ranked overall. So it seems to me that you had your ego hurt and you now hate Linux because of it. If you really are a developer, you are fool not to learn Linux, unless you are primarily doing Windows software. Perhaps you choose wrong distro, or just had really crappy luck. Take the latest Ubuntu LTS (choose your desktop flavor, I like Mate myself) or some Ubuntu LTS derivative. Don't bother updating to non LTS versions, you still get updates, but not any big changes, and it's rock solid. And be humble. Learning something from the scratch might suck for a while if you have been pro user for a long time. Eventually you will certainly be happy that you lasted.
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@rincewindthewizzard6594 Uber, Yandex etc. operate by evading taxes and insurances that normal taxis have to pay. Here in Finland 5km taxi drive is close to 20€ and average distance to work would cost half of your salary. Just the insurance for taxis cost 10.000 euros a year as the car is driving 24/7 short distances, and as a taxi company you have totally different liabilities to cover in case of accident. Linux doesn't take more steps in almost anything, and in most cases it's much simpler. Windows may seem simpler as people have learned to use it. NTFS drivers work straight away. Gaming might require extra steps, I don't know cos I don't play, but overall usage and maintenance is so much simpler than Windows. The real problem is the fact that everybody knows how to use Windows, so bothering to learn a new system is annoying if you don't know the benefits and the time and problems you will save on the long run. Privacy and security is much easier to handle and much better. As of now I think gaming, needing Adobe software, consuming HDR content ( if it hasn't been added to Linux yet ) and perhaps couple of other use cases make Windows better choice. Though it depends on the games, as more and more games are just one click away from installing and working. And with older hardware Linux pretty much is the only viable choice.
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@juangamboa2613 I don't play either. But I follow Linux gaming news and the amount of games that you can get to installing and working just by pushing one button has grown exponentially. DirectXtoVulkan API is also amazing at the moment, making DX9 - DX12 games render with Vulkan at small cost of CPU performance. Though that conversion can be done with their own threads, so 6c/12t should be fine for most GPUs and 8c/16c for all current GPUs. Most AAA titles work, and there are complete lists of which games work out of the box, which work by automatic patching and which require manual patching.
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@juangamboa2613 You don't have to use terminal for installing majority of the games and all the games that are rated as working from out of the box mean just that. Push install on game store and that's all you need. Fearing terminal or fearing hacking through terminal are two different things. As if you use "Sudo apt install software" compared to opening browser, searching google for the software (thus typing the name of the software) and then selecting the download file, and finally installing it when it's downloaded, it's just couple of extra letters and much much easier overall. I don't doubt that new OS is fearful. That's the reason why Linux isn't more popular. But the question really is, how much it takes to learn Linux enough to become happy Linux user, and how's the situation with software and games. That is something each must look for their own, as it depends on their needs. But learning the basics is really simple thing and terminal really isn't required. The image that Linux is hard or complicated is based on the fact that Linux people love to tinker with everything, and on the fact that certain device drivers needed hacking in the 2000s. And of course because of disros like Gentoo that are meant for the most hardcore Linux enthusiasts (under 1% of Linux users). But from my perspective, terminal is like the most advanced hot key interface that allows you to change everything. The things people do with it are done with terminal because it's just the most efficient way of doing those things. If there were better ways, Linux enthusiasts would have made it ages ago. No operating system or hardware support all games. If there some games I really wanted to play on Windows that just wouldn't work, I would dual boot to Windows and use Linux in everything else. Not the perfect solution, but at least booting is really fast nowadays.
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@blitzwing1 Linux community has the most helpful nice people you could find anywhere. But whatever makes you happy about your choice of Operating System and whatever makes you outsource your fear of learning a new system to being about "those obnoxious people". Fear and/or laziness are the reasons for anti-Linux bias. It makes you find whatever boogeyman to be the reason for not trying Linux or not sticking with it, instead of finding the boogeyman staring you in the mirror. Most Linux users just want to help others migrate to Linux.
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@tristan6509 Yes, Linux have more fanboys for a reason. It's awesome system. And sure people are saying Linux is great and Windows is bad, because that's the absolute honest truth. Open source operating system that consists thousand(s) of independent packages is obviously much better than one monolithic proprietary OS. And once you really realize that, you become at least some sort of fanboy. The way people try to communicate that could be done much better though. And ignoring things that are better in Windows and worse in Linux is not doing any favors. Though there really aren't many things that are better in Windows, but some things are clearly better. In any case, you will instantly find lots of helpful people in the Linux community that just want to help newbies. Vast majority would like as much new users as possible and they actively help to achieve that, and helping new users is essential in that.
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@josecarlosxyz Learning Linux is fun, and it really doesn't take endless nights. You can achieve anything with Linux, so if you plan is to learn everything, how to modify source files and compile new features of your own, then it takes a lot of time. Most things you can learn learn by one search. And common usage you can learn from YouTube videos. Searching compatible drives? Linux supports pretty much every possible drive without doing anything. I have NTFS and FAT32 drives from previous Windows builds filled with torrents I share. I have never had to format my disk or reinstall Linux, and I have installed Linux closer to dozen desktops/laptops by now. Don't let the initial learning period scare you off. Soon Linux feels comfortable, and later it will feel like second nature.
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@ladrillorojo4996 Here we have harsh winters, huge amount of snow and darkness most of the time, really crappy roads, manual gears on cars. And driving school takes forever, and for a good reason. Letting anyone get a license in a week is insane. Just the laws, regulations, signs etc. need a lot more to learn. Electric car would be crap metal here. Cold would render batteries unusable and you can charge only in the cities. Tires you need to change every autumn and spring, and at least fill out windscreen cleaner tank yourself.
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@visualdarkness It's the same shit with all Windows people. They think Linux needs years of investing, when it doesn't need anything more than what they are spending with Windows. And actually depending on the level of usage it takes less time. My parents run Linux on their laptops and never has to spent time with maintenance. Everything gets updated automatically and much better filesystems keep HDD in top shape etc. Windows users try to find any excuses why their choice is the logical better choice, when it clearly isn't. It's just the easier choice because you don't need to learn anything new. Though I have used Windows since 95 and you certainly have had to learn ton of new things to keep your system running. If you don't want to achieve anything beyond what you are already doing, then don't. Linux feels like the next savior once you really learn how to leverage it and learn the stability, security, and other abilities. That's why people try to spread that message.
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@visualdarkness My appreciation grew over the years because there were constantly new things that I could do more. But that doesn't mean migration takes years, you can learn basics in couple of days. The problem is to realize the benefits. Many people just don't think Windows has privacy or security issues, so it's hard to migrate to something else based on those. Many people don't get the problems with proprietary software, or the benefits with free (as in freedom) software. And people think they don't have to learn new things with Windows, which might be possible if they are just 100% basic users, but that level of usage doesn't need any learning in Linux either. I get the reasons, but none of these are good reasons. Good reasons might be if you are old and don't want to waste time with new things, or use computer only rarely. Otherwise you will save more time by learning Linux eventually. Another great reason is if one needs to use certain specific software that Linux doesn't have. Or if the main usage is for gaming. Though now when DirectXtoVulkan works on Linux, most Windows games work on Linux. Still there are some anticheat software that requires Windows on multiplayer games. If gaming is the main use case, then it's not worth it just yet.
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@Darshan Agyat I have been thinking of KDE since I heard how good it is now. Though LXQt is still more efficient. I'm in the process of building Gentoo and I might as well test out KDE with it. I'm trying out GentooLTO overlay to get it optimized as much as possible, and having super fast KDE would be more impressive for sure.
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@emeukal7683 So you hate that Linux boys don't acknowledge that Windows and OsX are not better than Linux? OsX I have never used, but windows I have, and the only thing it's better for is hardware support and legacy software support. Legacy software is meaningless to me, and the amount of hardware that is not supported by Linux is tiny. And all my hardware on all of my computers is fully supported. Linux kernel is way better, and the OS itself is way better. I have used Windows for 30 years and Linux about 20 from time to time, but last 5 years it's been my main OS for all of my computers.
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@titantill4975 Do you really think people love broken things? I haven't had any problems with Linux and I have installed it to 5 computers now. But I sure had problems with Windows and had to fix my parents computers many times. Though some rare hardware might need additional drivers to be installed, and that can be problematic for normies. Though I have yet to encounter with any hardware that doesn't work out of the box. Did you have sound card or onboard audio chip? If you had really new hardware, then those drivers might haven't been included, and it would have required installing those drivers and while that is quite easy job for average Linux user, it's hard for newbies. Usually these get added to never version of the kernel, so you might want to check Ubuntu 20.04, unless you had problems with that version. And in that case the smart thing is to ask help in Ask Ubuntu forums, if you still are interested in getting it to work.
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@titantill4975 Installing Linux is at least as easy as Windows. And Windows problems are horrible/impossible to solve without formatting. Though there are more people that can help with Windows. Grandmas need someone to help them with problems, no matter is it Windows or Linux. But Linux gives less problems after installation. Though some rare hardware might need some additional driver installation which isn't easy. You could test if new Ubuntu works with your hardware from the live version without installing it, straight from the USB. Latest Ubuntu is LTS version, which is more stable and you don't need to update it to newer version in 5 years if you don't want to, as it will be supported 5 years. I would be really surprised if that didn't work. Unless you have some really rare external sound card or something like that. To really get comfortable with Linux takes some time, and to really appreciate how awesome it is compared to Windows takes time. Big percentage of permanent Linux users have been on Linux before, switched back to Windows, perhaps multiple times, until finally settling with Linux for that reason. The more you use it, the better it gets as you learn more, which makes it easier to use and you really get to experience the benefits.
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@titantill4975 Linux is the ultimate programming OS. Every tool are made for Linux and you can install them with simple commands, and they keep updating automatically from that point on. But main benefits are stability, performance, total control. Those are not developer specific, but total control can help at least later when you gain knowledge. If you are into programming, you need to choose the language and for example check out introductory university courses from Youtube that are using Linux. At least in Europe it's more common. Or start with learning basic terminal commands. My university started with course where we learned the basics of Linux, as the whole university ran on Linux and all programming and all tools were on Linux. The absolute 1st thing I would recommend is watching some Linux tutorial videos, assuming you get it working. I would recommend Ubuntu Mate, but all variants have just different desktop environments, so it's just a matter of personal taste. Though lighter versions are slightly faster and use less memory. Mate is quite popular and quite light on resources.
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@superlumbagoman9370 Linux isn't harder than Windows. It's just different. It might feel harder because people have learned Windows and all the maintenance etc. that goes with it. I don't know your experience, but you certainly don't need to know programming with Linux. My old mother has used the past 3yrs Linux without needing help since the initial month or so. With Windows she needed help much more. Ubuntu had some problems back in the day, ages ago but I don't remember the exact year. Since then especially the LTS versions are rock solid. Anyone who has learned how to use Windows without anyones help, is talented enough with Linux. But no matter what OS you change, there is things you must learn, things that are done differently. In case of Linux, most of those things are done better, even if it might seem otherwise at first. If something could have done better, it would have been done like that by someone, and then adopted by others. That's the beauty of open source and unix way of doing things. Of course Linux isn't perfect still, but the underlying tech and methods are damn near of that.
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@juangamboa2613 Manjaro is great, but I wouldn't use it as my first Linux OS. Though I have heard it's now much better of what it was year ago, but it's still not my recommendation as it's rolling release distro. Nothing should break even if your connection breaks. Linux would never have become the OS that runs the Internet or base kernel for Android if that were the case. All packages are checked against their checksum codes before installing. I have been running my Linux trough 4G connection during the last 3 years and my connection breaks constantly, at least once per quarter my updating breaks. There are no obscure errors that have not happened to anyone. It's the growing pains of learning in the beginning. No matter how small the distro, there are answers to be found. Arch is one of the most popular distros, which Manjaro is based on, and pacman is the most used software. So the change of you having problem that has not been resolved is nearly impossible. Can't say for 100% but I'm almost certain your issues could have been fixed with one command, and prevent from happening again by another command. But if you get interested to try Linux again, I would start with distro that isn't rolling release. As rolling release distros are for more advanced people. That's one reason I don't like people recommending Manjaro to new people. POP Os is another good distro for gaming, stable non rolling release, but one that gets new graphics drivers faster. It allows you to update to never version by just upgrading like with normal update process, the only real benefit for rolling releases are that you get new features earlier. But you get new OS versions twice a year anyway and all security and performance updates and compatible new features gets updated instantly, so from my perspective rolling releases are for hobbyists and for majority there are no real benefits.
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@tristan6509 Comparison here to cars was direct response to the video. "Linux is only free if you don't value your time", which is like saying, "learning to drive cars take huge amount of work, it's better just walk as you would be getting in your destination faster". For majority the initial learning period is paid back with interest by faster OS with better workflow, and with less time wasted in all kinds of shite. As someone who has used Windows since 1991 and being in customer support for years, and being the "support guy" for family and friends since the early 90s, I can say without any doubt that Linux is allows much better workflow and the "time wasted" for learning it, will come back. But it's like saying, exercising will be good for you. We all know lots of things that would benefit us, but still we don't do those things from multitude of reasons. And that's OK. But saying things like exercising is just waste of time, what the "Linux is free only if you don't value your time" is essentially saying, is just wrong.
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@visualdarkness Sure there are people who don't want to learn or cannot learn. But in general there are great sources and learning new things you just can't do with windows is great. The initial learning curve might make people afraid or not knowing where to start. But once you get past that part it's a totally different thing. Then again it depends on what you are trying, for example trying to install Gentoo without any experience will certainly get you hellish time. But something like Linux Mint or Pop OS will be a good noob distro.
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@ladrillorojo4996 I really don't understand why no one produces electric cars that also have 15kw diesel engines that could work as a generator. 15kw would be enough for 100km/h speeds and it would still have 1-2kw for charging the battery, so you would have some charge in situations where you need to pass someone. 90% of the time you wouldn't need to use that diesel engine. You could just drive the way you want, never worrying that you are having electric car. And you could use that electricity to warm up that diesel engine in cases where you are soon going to need that engine to charge, so no cold starts for that diesel engine ever. Having battery capacity for about 200km would be plenty enough in that car, and it would be rare to need that diesel charger.
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@ladrillorojo4996 Wtf are you talking about? You can put whatever charger to combustion engine, and when diesel engine is tuned to specific load only, it has much better efficiency than 16%. Though the only thing that matters is that it's better than with normal diesel cars, and those are above gas engines already. Also if you use coal etc. for production of electricity, the efficiency is not really good either. Production of electricity and it's total efficiency is quite complex to calculate. At least diesel generators work at least as long as the car and are not really expensive to manufacture. And for a side note, I have been driving with synthetic diese made out of all kinds of waste coming from factories etc. for the last 5 years. It's 20% more expensive, but it's also cleaner and slightly more powerful. I think there will be more and more of these types of fuels in the future.
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@visualdarkness Anyone that has any interest in computing, getting anything done, aka doing anything else than just using browser and playing games, should be interested in Linux. The problem is that people have been brainwashed to think GUIs are the smart way to doing things, in most cases you write almost the same amount and on top of that have to navigate shitty GUIs to achieving the same thing. Linux is open source, and thus if there would have been a better way to achieve things, it would have been made. "People use tech a lot, it doesn't mean that they are interested in how it works" Yes, if you think playing a game and using a browser is the same as using tech. I certainly don't like Linux because I want to know how it works. I like it because I can achieve things that are impossible with Windows. Some hate proprietary software because you have absolutely no idea what your computer is doing when you use it, nor does anyone else. It's easily shown to be immoral in many ways. Some like Linux because it works great with low resources, or because it's stable AF or because it's much more secure, or because maintenance is so simple. And many use it because you really own your OS, can change anything, and can achieve things you can't in Windows. The problem is that most of these are not obvious from the start. My appreciation for Linux grew years as I learned more and as my system worked flawlessly. Migrating to Linux is a slow process for most as the benefits can be seen only after successful migration.
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@BichaelStevens Perhaps 9/10 people might choose windows because they believe in total BS like what you said and because people hate change in general. Linux is like Toyota or Honda, always working efficient car. Windows is like crappy 80s American car that has had 20 owners who have not bothered to change the oil. The image of what Linux was back in the 2000s and even at early 2010s is haunting it, but modern Linux is absolutely amazing. It's totally stable, security and privacy oriented OS with better performance and less RAM usage. And it's desktop environments are better.
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@BichaelStevens Linux is All terrain Amphibious flying bumper car. But in all seriousness, Linux is more secure, has much better privacy and performance. And as it's free (as in freedom) software, it's also morally sustainable. But it's also super easy to install (assuming you are not installing Arch or Gentoo, which is my favorite though) and then it just works and keep on working. Before I installed Lubuntu on my mother's laptop, she called me about something windows related almost monthly. Now it's been years without single support request. Sure she only use browser and office, but still. And she use computer more now because she doesn't fear problems anymore.
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@bookle5829 Linux installation is as easy as Windows, and faster. Many distros install Office suite and other needed software automatically. And OS updates, security updates, driver updates, and software updates are installed automatically, or when you choose.
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@bookle5829 Sure with laptops you have preinstalled OS. But if your talent level is so slow that Windows/Linux installation seems hard, then it's probably best you don't plan migration to different OS. I have convinced many people to migrate to Linux. But I wouldn't do that to normies who have no talent to even recognize the quality of their OS. Though I have switched my parents', and my uncle's OS to Linux, because they really only need browser, office, media player.
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@bookle5829 I didn't tell you how to live your life either. You misinterpreted my comment. I didn't talk about you, and it was honest opinion. Recognizing the quality of OS is not simple thing.
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@Santiago Rodriguez Newton Linux saves time. Updating is much faster. Chance of getting virus, ransomware etc. is tiny fraction that of Windows. You don't need as fast computer or as much RAM. But most importantly you can configure everything to fit your workflow perfectly and that saves time and makes you more productive. If you spend a little time learning how to use all those amazing unix tools, you will save time with them for sure. If you only use computers rarely and are old already, then Linux most likely won't bring back your investment. But for most it will bring back the investment with interest.
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@Santiago Rodriguez Newton Then you must have pretty fast computer. The amount of time updating takes in total per month for me was pretty huge. I was in tech support and the amount of problems I have seen was the perfect motivation for ditching Windows. Obviously you can mitigate a lot of those things, but that takes time and effort. You certainly are not just using one software. You at least use browser. I graduated as computer scientist here in Scandinavia. The first thing we did was learning Linux, everything we did we did with Linux. That had nothing to do with it being free, it's just that for almost anything science and scientific Linux is just superior and people need to learn it. Also for development it's superior. Obviously it depends on what you are developing. Creating Windows software makes sense to do within Windows. And there might be other valid reasons to choose Windows.
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@Santiago Rodriguez Newton I can't say much about math, though here all CS, math, physics students get laptops with Linux that has university's scripts to install anything and everything you might need in your studies. Even in your case I'm almost certain that if you spend some time with Linux, you would find it being better suited for you. Anyone that is interested in scripting/has knowledge on that, should find unix like terminal amazing, after initial learning period of course. I have over a decade old quad core laptop with HDD and six year old laptop with SSD. Both deliver great experience, though that HDD would probably be a nightmare, but I have 16GB of RAM and that laptop is essentially my desktop (runs 24/7) so all the important things get buffered and it remains fast. I would encourage you to migrate to Linux. That knowledge most likely will be beneficial as pretty much all scientific is done with Linux as it's more efficient, totally configurable, and the stable distros are among the most rock solid things there exist.
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@Aquarium Gravel The only reason cars are bad would be that you need to build roads. But our economy needs the roads anyway. "pollution" from cars is absolutely illusion. Co2 is the most important gas on the planet, there is no global warming except what we have had twice already in the last 2000 years when temps were higher than they are now. If the train station is far away from your home, and far away from your workplace, school etc. then trains are useless. The analogy works. Trains are better in some ways, cars in others.
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@magicalmidgethorse4730 You really only have to setup Linux once. If you have horribly uncompatible hardware, then it's a no go, or if you spend most of the time with certain software that is as good on both OS, then you would need other reasons to migrate. Though the learning time really isn't that high, and the maintenance time, depending on the use cases of course, is no more than on Windows really. The wasted time just comes from different things. The time invested will only be profitable on the long run, but it will be for a large portion of the population. It seems that you have chosen a wrong distro or just have used the freedom badly when your level of knowledge and experience is concerned. The reason why I love Linux is precisely it being so stable. Just this week my last Windows machine updated itself into complete halt. This has never happened in Debian/Ubuntu based distros to anyone I know.
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@magicalmidgethorse4730 I was in university in 2015 and the whole university had Ubuntus running, everyone got a laptop with Ubuntu and scripts that would install whatever software that you could need in university. There was no issues at all. Only Wifi related etc. things that were certificate problems, but everything worked fine. But in any case Linux is lightyears ahead of what it was on 2015, especially on hardware compatibility etc. I can honestly say I have not heard anybody complain anything like that to me. It's always possible to have some hardware that causes troubles, especially prior 2015 (and 2015), but to have that happen on multiple people seems impossible based on my experience. Our universities really give everyone a Linux laptop when they start, and the whole infra is based on Linux. There are no problems. That started sometime between 2010-2015. I would highly encourage you to forget the problems of the past. As long as you don't have esoteric hardware, Linux is really awesome nowadays. Going back to anything else would feel hell to me. Laptops used to be the problem area as you need so much specific drivers etc. support for getting those to work perfectly. The newest laptops might still be problematic, though the full support is coming constantly faster and faster, and most of the hardware is now in the kernel prior releases. The ecosystem migration takes effort but if you would have the necessary software on Linux, then it's worth it. I only really learned Linux and it's paradigms when my windows got phucked and I made a conscious effort on trying to stick with Linux. It took time, but after couple of months I realized that I was happier than with windows. But it got constantly better for a long time.
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@magicalmidgethorse4730 Whatever the reasons were, it hasn't been like that for a long time now. Linux has grown more during the last 6 years than Windows since Vista. But in general I think the OS was really stable in 2015 already and if you all had different hardware, then it cannot be the drivers either. There must be some common factor that isn't the Linux itself, either hardware, software, virus/malware or something like that. In any case don't hold the bad experience against the OS, as I can assume being worked in the IT support that Windows has given some truly horrendous problems especially in the 2015-2016 when Win10 came. But in any case, happy holidays.
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@rossolini3588 It's objective truth that Linux takes less resources and is faster. Booting can be faster on Windows depending on the hardware, but it certainly wasn't faster on my 2nd gen i7 laptop. The difference really shows when you run decade old stuff.
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