Comments by "Juzu Juzu" (@juzujuzu4555) on "Linux GUI Apps Coming To WSL2 - Linux 💔 Windows" video.

I phucking hate Microsoft, it's Embrace, Extend and Extinguish in action. It was obvious from the day one of WSL where this is leading.
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@BrodieRobertson On your work machines, there's perhaps no point, on general though getting away from proprietary software is important.
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@BrodieRobertson I knew what you meant, but I though it was still important to add that getting away from proprietary software is important. I think you can convince someone if you are close enough friend to that person so that you'll get their attention for long enough time to really explain why FOSS is important for the whole society. Democracy cannot exist without privacy, and privacy cannot exist without FOSS, though FOSS itself doesn't guarantee anything, it just is requirement for the possibility.
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@kingdan2802 Sure there are lots of those people. But I think the biggest problem still is that people don't know the repercussions of not having privacy. People don't know about why privacy is essential for democracy and evolution of ideas etc. I was that person for the most part of my life, even for the most part of my "Linux life." But when I stumbled upon the correct information that finally made me to think about these things, and start researching the subject, then it really hit me. Though I'm not full Stallman.
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@kingdan2802 You can monetize open source software just like you can proprietary software. Only difference is that pirating that software would be easier. One example is to have online support for those who register the software, allowing you to request features and stuff like that. Companies would have to register, they wouldn't take the risk of running pirated software, and getting better and faster support would mean everything for them. Current open source isn't monetized much because proprietary model still prevails. So people naturally think open source evangelists are promoting "cost free software" even though Free Software means freedom and not free of cost. Most of the world (by population) doesn't pay for software anyway, they use pirated versions. Both individuals and companies. With open source model this part of the world would at least help with coding, looking bugs, extending the software etc. Proprietary model really only serves the biggest giants that already have conquered the market. Perhaps some niche categories benefit from closed sources, but I can't think of any from the top of my head.
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There's a small risk (from the point of Microsoft) that this will drive people into Linux, but I'm pretty sure this is Embrace, Extend and Extinguish for the desktop Linux over the long run. Open source communities are so easy to manipulate and people are fighting amongst each others etc. that I really feel worried about Linux. Google having massive control over mobile market, essentially mobile Linux that is anti-Linux in every way of from in my book, and also having Chromebooks spreading at incredible speed, and that is almost as anti-Linux than Android. Before WSL even was a thing I though that Microsoft probably tries to take control over desktop Linux and create hybrid OS uses Linux just like Google. And now it seems to move into that direction, and to me it's totally obvious. I think this is a risk for Microsoft, so in that way it's also a possibility for Linux desktop, but the trends are not looking great. I'll personally do my best, help people migrate to Linux, help people in all sorts of networks, and hopefully soon start to contribute code too. I'll continue this as long as possible.
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@kingdan2802 I don't know your age, but in general things like privacy starts to matter much more when you are older. People who didn't have any care in the world in their twenties seem to be quite different in their thirties. Change in society usually happens by really fast once the initial mass has been accumulated, and that mass is much smaller than people think. I was quite hopeful and saw lots of positive signs, though the last two years have been rough. Sure there are lots of proprietary software that doesn't have good enough alternative yet. And I think many proprietary software could be jailed in a way that even if there's harmful code, it couldn't do anything. But this requires people using open source operating systems, and so that's the important thing here. The real quest is to get Linux userbase above the limit that Adobe etc. would release native Linux version. After that Linux would certainly get enough users that it couldn't be ignored by anyone. Then jailing those apps would provide safety until companies realize that open source is the way to go. I'm still hopeful in the long run, I think this is the decade of mobile and desktop Linux. And at least I'm trying my best to help this to become a reality and I see progress everywhere. Even though I would want it to progress faster.
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@katech6020 True, some people might migrate to Linux, but I feel that more people think they now know Linux and are either happy with what they have, or are not happy and thus don't want to try Linux. I hope I'm wrong on this, or that Linux gaming would become near perfect and drive lots of people into Linux. If Linux gaming would became amazing, then familiarity is good for Linux. And better compatibility with other Windows software would be great as well. Hopefully we get there.
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@sleepntsheep1169 Windows itself is as crap as it has always been. Linux however gets better with every release.
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@sleepntsheep1169 Linux has all the biggest companies behind it, that's why Linux kernel is lightyears ahead of Windows. Also hardware support is now coming pretty much directly from the manufacturers. Desktop environments are community driven, though still better than Windows. Only problem is if you need to use software that doesn't have native Linux version. Then Qemu virtualization gets quite close to native performance and you can strip that virtualized Windows from all the useless services and just use snapshots, thus keep the security perfect. There are reasons to use Windows, though I don't think WSL changes things, except for certain developers, or gamers who were forced to use Linux.
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@denis5940-s6v I think WSL is quite useless for most. Linux in itself offers many benefits and there's a lot of "why Linux is better, why use Linux" videos on Youtube. You can't have privacy with proprietary software, and you can't have democracy without privacy. That alone should be important for everyone. Linux uses less resources, and is faster on either slow systems, or with really fast systems that have lots of threads. Sure it's faster with every system, but especially on those. I personally only use the common software, but I'm also a developer so Linux is superior in that sense. Freedom in Linux is the thing I love, I use Gentoo Linux where you essentially build the whole system from sources, control everything, but with almost the ease of using normal Linux. I use zero day sources, and still with loading all of the drivers for my laptop (wifi, power management etc.) it takes 40MB of RAM, and when I load my desktop environment (Mate), the total RAM usage is 199MB and everything is lighting fast. Everything is compiled with the highest level of optimization which actually increases RAM usage. I have installed Linux to my parents' computers. They are really happy because everything just works, is faster, no forced updates, everything on the system updates automatically when you choose to update (OS updates, security patches, drivers, software, kernel).
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@denis5940-s6v Pretty much Windows games just work on Linux now. Certain anti-cheat games are due to be working soon as Linux kernel adds support for certain win32 API calls to make those work, it also allows higher performance, though it's really good since last years big driver changes. I have installed Linux for about a dozen computers without any hardware problems, though one USB wifi didn't work. Gaming peripheral support was poor, but the Linux gaming boom (vs. what it was previously) has improved that tremendously. Printers and scanners are something I don't know about, except my Samsung multifunction laser printer works OK, but it really is device per device thing. No OS does it all. Windows does the most, but really old games, really old hardware and emulators and you'll be better of with Linux. When you start to use Linux, first it's the excitement of new thing, then you start to be frustrated because you need to learn alot and there will be issues because you are new user. But then it again keeps getting better and better. For me it continued for at least 3-4 yrs. Then it slowed down, until I moved to Gentoo. Then my love for Linux grew in another levels. It's horrible problem, you need to convince someone to learn new thing that will get better and better while you learn it. But it slowly will and you just cannot use Windows after certain point. If you have powerful CPU, you could install Windows in virtual machine, strip it from every useless service etc. and save a snapshot that you restart every time. Then just install new updates once in awhile and have another snapshot. If you have Intel iGPU then you can pass through the GPU 100% to that VM with native performance. VM uses little more CPU, but usually you are GPU bound anyway. Host all the files on another partition outside of that VM, but allow VM to map that partition as it were part of the VM. I used to have windows as VM, it was great. But then I switched jobs and that allowed me to get away from Windows completely. It's not easy job, so be sure if you want to commit to that. But Linux communities are full of helpful people that will gladly help if you have issues. Linux gives you freedom, so it allows you to break it. Things like changing DE isn't as simple as some people say it is, though it's doable but do some googling before doing that. Especially with rolling release distros like Manjaro, you might come to situation that seems like you broke your Linux, when infact one command would fix it all. Though even this sort of problems are becoming rare nowadays.
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@denis5940-s6v I personally don't know about emulators, but the Linux channels I follow have mentioned multiple time time Linux is great with emulators, like NES, PS2 and Android. Android itself is a Linux, only with Google jailing up the system and making it anti-Linux in most ways, but emulating it on Linux is easy. Depending if you want to run the whole phone ISO or just have Android apps running. Usually I would say that short time tests are not worth it, because you get all the worst part first, while the best parts happen over a really long time, but if you have such a specific thing you want to do, then go ahead. Go to fossbytes.com / best-android-emulators-linux /
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@denis5940-s6v The main point is that you shouldn't try Linux and not actually look if you could fix things, because getting certain things fixed is only 1 time deal and then it works forever. I'm not gamer myself, but I'm really interested in Linux gaming as that's the way to get people migrating. And I want enough users to get Linux native version on software like Photoshop. Based on what I have heard from at least half a dozen of sources is that over 80% of games should work, and it's constantly growing. Getting the initial Wine, proton etc dependencies working might be hassle but after that everything should work fine. Keyboard mapping can be changed from the control panel, wifi is almost certainly using open source drivers and need closed source firmware to operate well (one package install solves this forever). Scanner requires certain packages and after that it works, though software for printing/scanning in general requires improvement on Linux. Capture card in the worst case requires compiling the driver, but that you also have to do once. Tiny change is that there's no driver at all, but this far I have found driver in source code for everything. As I said in the previous comment, this "I try Linux" in general at large spreads the hate towards the system. You get all the initial learning curve errors and most likely no one to help you except on online forums, and things that are awesome and what really makes the system cannot be understood or experienced yet. Like the fact that you can change literally everything to maximize your workflow, and perfect updates that happen on the background without need to restart (unless it's new kernel, though kernel livepatching is also possible on certain distros). Thus you only get shitty taste in the beginning and thing Linux users are masochists, that it represents the user experience on the long run. People should at least try to live with the system for month or so. Otherwise it's like you are given new Corvette, but you have yet to learn that you need to push gas in the tank to make it working and put air into the tires, and to turn AC on to not be baked alive, and then you need to learn to drive too as you don't know how to drive yet. After month or so you have at least some understanding. Not saying you personally should do this, but in general it's better to not try at all than to do a short review as the system is so much more complex with hundred distros, dozens of DEs and endless amounts of combinations of packages, that it might need some work in the beginning. But then it works just like a car that has air in it's tires and gas in it's tank, and driver who can drive and turn on AC. To me Windows is the limiting factor. Especially on the long term usage. If I would have to use it, I would use it in virtual machine snapshots, and I would have direct GPU pass through for native GPU performance. But I tried it once in a while for well over a decade before I switched. In general I wouldn't suggest Linux for gamers unless they are tech savvy and ready for committing for being with the system at least for a month.
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@denis5940-s6v Those who dual boot probably dual boot because they are playing a lot of competitive games that require anti-cheat to work. Anti-cheat protected games have poor compatibility, but otherwise it really is in the 80% range. That should change within a year because they are introducing ways to have Win API system calls in the kernel that direct that call to Wine, thus allowing anti-cheat software to work. I can't explain it the best way, but I have read enough that I understand how it works. This number comes from written reports on the top 1000 most popular games or so. On Steam's top 1000 games, 6% don't work, 1.6% didn't have reports, and the 92% should work and 78% should work "perfectly after tweaks". And I really only consider those "should work perfectly after tweaks" as really working. protondb.com is where I looked, I don't remember if you already talked about looking there or not? Also dual booting is simple. Some seem to hate it, but current systems reboot in a heartbeat so I don't see any problems with that. But for someone who plays a lot, and who hasn't learned to love Linux yet, there just isn't any point on that and that I get completely. If I had multiple computers, then having dedicated gaming machine makes sense. Having all your gaming related on one machine would make sense even if you were running Linux on that machine, I would have really different Linux environment for gaming vs. normal usage. Not because gaming wouldn't be good on my current system, but because I would optimize that system for gaming, from the UI point of view and from the kernel, drivers, etc. point of view. If you have AMD CPU (non G version) then certainly GPU pass through would require another GPU. I personally run my laptop with iGPU even though it has GPU, but I don't need the added performance in anything on my laptop, iGPU is plenty fast enough. Obviously there's no point on buying GPU for that. If there's lying around another old GPU, then maybe installing that for the Linux. Pretty much everyone says Manjaro is the best distro for gaming, never packages, drivers and kernel. And people seem to praise on that. Though PopOS is recommended because of it's simplicity. I doubt it has any big difference. Though I like the rolling release model better myself, though it might require the user to roll back updates at some point and to wait for those updates to get patched. I have heard many people loving Manjaro Linux, but they switched back to Linux because they "broke the system and could fix it" when one command would have fixed the issue. Then these people start trashing Linux as unreliable, crappy etc. and I get that how the hell they are suppose to know what to do. Identifying even simple problems is massively hard at first. So I don't recommend rolling release distros to new people because of that possibility, unless I know they are talented enough, or are someone I know who could as my personal help. It seems that we have quite the same kind of history. I started playing with windows from 92, build my own computer in 1994 and started building computers for others couple years later. I first saw Linux in 1994 right after 1.0 was released and laughed about that stupid project. In 2002 my friend switched to Debian Linux and I absolutely loved that OS though it was way too much work back then for me to get interested in it, and I loved gaming back then. Perhaps tested Linux 5-6 times from 2003 to 2016 when I finally migrated and stopped using Windows altogether. But in 2019 I moved to Gentoo Linux, and that is where the journey ends. There's no more low level Linux. The point here is that I get how hard moving to Linux is and it might be too big sacrifice to make. But every year things improve, so based on your story I think you'll be running Linux at some point =) It has been nice chatting =)
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