Comments by "Britta Kriep" (@brittakriep2938) on "Forgotten Weapons"
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Twenty years ago, the museum may had a different name, today it is simply ,Waffenmuseum Oberndorf' in socalled Schwedenbau ( Swedish building). It shows weapons from Königliche Waffenmanufaktur, Mauser, H&K and Feinwerkbau and civilian products of Mauser company ( When i, Brittas boyfriend, was young, Mauser caliphers had been not uncommon). The entrance ticket allows you also to visit Heimatmuseum/ homeregion museum in the same building, there is a good collection of sword-, seaxblades and spearheads from graves of alemannic warriors.
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As a german Facharbeiter(trained worker) i must speak about a small mistake, unclear description Ian has made. The word Meister can mean a ,Champion' or a very talented craftsman, artist etc.. But in this case a Meister means a ,master craftsman' , a title which goes back to middle ages. Formerly a boy who wants to become a craftsman started his training at an age of 14 (my father was some weeks younger than 14 when he started in 1952) as a , Lehrling (today Auszubildender), today with 17 or 18 (the school system changed), after a training time of usually 3 to 3,5 years you are in Industry a Facharbeiter, in old style (non industrial) craftmanship/ Handwerk you are a Geselle, also a title which goes back to middle age. When you worked some years as a Facharbeiter or Geselle you can do a difficult and expensive training and you have to produce a Meisterstück/ mastrepiece. When everything is well a Facharbeiter becomes an Industriemeister, a Geselle becomes a Handwerksmeister. Whats the difference? A Handwerksmeister can open his own Werkstatt/ shop(??), hire some Gesellen, train new Lehrlinge as it has been for centuries, while an Industriemeister is ,only' the leader of a team of workers or a production room etc. in an industral factory, whatever products the factory produces. A Waffenmeister doesn't work in a armsfactory, thats an an armorer who has to repair and inspect the arms of soldiers, policemen etc. or this word is very rare used for a Fechtmeister/ maitre d'armes.
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I am german, Brittas boyfriend, ln my swabian homeregion in nearly every village , especially when the name ends with -ingen, graves of our allemanic ancestors have been found. Depending on warriors wealth, you can find blades of seaxes and spathas, axeheads, and speartips, lesser arrow tips. Helmets or armour are rather rare, but shield bosses very common. For the case, some readers of my comment want to visit Waffen( weapons)museum Oberndorf am Neckar ( Mauser, Heckler & Koch, Feinwerkbau, Königlich Württembergische Waffenfabrik), pllease visit also the Heimatmuseum (Homeregion museum). It is in the same building, you can visit both museums with the same ticket. In Heimatmuseum there are the allemannic weapons relicts, found next Oberndorf.
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There was surely a market for such small guns, but of course they are underrated. Here in Germany, I am german, during Napoleonic Era open carry of weapons by civilians was forbidden, with exeption of hunting or targetshooers Events ( Schützenfeste). So saddle pistol and smallsword had been replaced by pocket pistols, small daggers, knuckle dusters, Things similar to sap or Blackjack and of course canes, often with hidden blades' or steel rods, even hidden shotgun Barrels. Also in other european or european influenced countries this was the Case, that especially fine townsmen or Gentlemen no longer wanted to be Seen armed when civilian dressed. And up to 1960s pocket pistols and revolvers in .22, .25 or.32 had been popular and Seen as usefull weapon.
Here in Germany cheap boxlock muzzleloader derringers had been Sold into 1930s as wineyard pistols to scare annimals, and cheap single shot pistols in .22/ 6mm Flobert Had been sold as cheap target/plinking pistols Up to 1930s, and convered to blank pistols even in 1950s. And in some latin american countries, especially Brszil, small doublebartelled Garrucha pistols Had been produced Up to 1970. Strangely Ian has No Video about Garruchas.
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Not really true. Maschinenpistolen had been forbidden for Reichswehr, only allowed for Police. Schutzpolizei units ( baracked Police?) had only the allowness of five submachine guns per Hundertschaft ( Hundertschaft means about , hunderd men', a purely civilian word). May be other branches of german Police also had few submachineguns. Not only military weapons had been regulated in Versailles treaty, also weaponry of Police. This means, for policemen, not belonging to Schutzpolizei units, ( Ordnungspolizei and Kriminalpolizei/ detectives, only pistols in .32 Acp or even .25 Acp had been allowed, also police sabers had been regulated. With some troubles, german Gouvernement could get the allowness that uniformed policemen on foot could carry a long saber,If they had the allowness to carry a long saber in Imperial Army or Police. Also for pistol producers Versailles treaty caused, that they could only produce pistols with caliber smaller than 8mm ( about .32), and no Barrels longer than 102 mm/ 4". Producing pistols may be in .380 Acp was possible, but mostly only for foreign Market.
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Some sidenotes from West Germany. Uniformed german policemen had PPs sometimes up to 1982/ 83. From late 70s into 1990s civilian dressed police officers, especially female ones sometimes still had been armed with PPK in 7,65/ .32. The reason: Compact or subcompact 9mm Luger pistols had been non existing/ being rare, so in some kind of dress, or at summer, a PPK was easier to hide/ conceal. PPKs had then also in german Bundeswehr been used. By pilots, and soldiers in civilian dress ( Military Police, miltary intelligence, couriers and socalled Wallmeister, as far as i know). In 1950s/ 1960s female detectives, small number, but in contrast to 1920s to 1940s regular detectives, had been armed only with 6,35/.25 pistols, at very first sometimes only with 8mm blankpistols, firing teargas cartidges.
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@lafeeshmeister : I am a man, only using my girlfriends account. I am 55 now, but for the reason of bad eyes, i had not to serve in the Bundeswehr as conscript, so i have no military training or expierience. But i think, i have the answer to your question, why about close quarter fights is more spoken and thougt about. Wien my father was young, he spoke with some veterans from trench warfare oft wwl. My father asked one time two of those men, which thing oft war was the most terrible for you? The answer of both men, was a thing, my father did not expect: The enemies assault! Most oft the wartime they could not see their enemies, but at an assault you see , like your ancestors centuries ago, an armed angry enemy with grimm face attacking you. And this thing, you don' t shot an unseen or faceless enemy in a distance, but an enemy next to you is the thing, why there are so much emotions about fights with knives or Pistole.
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I am german, Brittas boyfriend. The Postschutz ( postal protection) was intended to guard post buildings , post trains ( or single post wagons in an ordinary train) . Up to 1990s german post was a 100% gouvernement owned company, and not only letters and parcels had been post work, also telephone and postal bank had been formerly postal branches, also no more existing telegraph. So there had been a large number of buildings , vehicles, railway wagons, telephone and telegraph lines. And in wartime may be more things.
Also up to 1990s german railway was mostly gouvernement owned , with a Bahnpolizei/ railway police. In wartime also the Bahnschutz existed, as a guard unit only ( but not well reputated). So sometimes the ,soldiers' defending german trains in wwll had been in reality members of railway police, railway protection and postal protection.
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@herbderbler1585 : My comment was written more as a joke, than serious. I , german, simply wanted to make fun about the american ,oh our glorious Colt 1911 is in military use since 1911!'. A knife is both weapon and tool for thousnds of years. In very old ,warrior' times knives ( and daggers) had been important weapons also in battle. But with the rise of firearms, knives and daggers became a ,last backup' for soldiers, and when in early 18th century the daggerlike plugbayonnetts had been replaced by gripless spike bayonnets, daggers and weapon knives mostly disappeared in regular european troops. But in wwl , for trench warfare, knives appeared again as weapons. But , as a german arms magazine wrote, the trench knives have seen more saussage fat than human blood'. So most of the modern military field knives are dual purpose items, useable as a tool, but on rare incidents also as a weapon. But we should not forget, when used as a close quarters combat weapon , especially in a ,surprise attack', knives are very dangerous and often underrated!
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@Intelwinsbigly : I am not Britta herself, i am her boyfriend, only using the same Computer ,Anschluß', don' t know the english word. I am 55 and basicly a conservative / rural factory worker, and a ,nostalgic' supporter of ,parlamentary monarchy' as it is in Great Brittain. For decades/Jahrzehnte i voted for CDU Party, so when Angela Merkel became leader of CDU party and first female chancellor in more than 1000 years of german history, i had no problem. But after a short time i was very dissappointed, she does no policy for the ,average german on the street'. I personnally am very angry about her.
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I am Brittas boyfriend and german. About 25 years i ago wanted to buy a rarely used thing, i found it in a very oldfashioned shop, owned by an old lady. She told me , that some years ago, she heared strange noises in the night and wanted to look, what is happening. So she took her semiautomatic blankgun and went ot of the house. Someone saw her with the blanks pistol and called the police. When the patrol arrived, the officers wanted to know, what happened and to see the pistol. The old lady told me, that before giving the pistol to the policemen, she repeated the slide. The officers had been surprised and asked: Mrs ..., why do you know this? She answered: I learned this at the end of wwll.
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Why do you not write the fact, that between 1815 and long into 1980s, no shotguns had been used as service weapon. Only in 1830s/ 1840s few of southern german states bought a small number of percussion side by side shotguns. They had been sometimes handed to the up to 1890s/1900s only saberarmed policemen, mostly when fighting poachery, or escort a large number of prisoners to a prison.
The 19th/20th century german/austrian counterpart to US Wild West literature had been novels, in which either a Forrest Service official ( Förster) or a lawfull licenced huntsman fights poachers , smugglers or other criminals in the Woods. The heroic characters are armed with rifles, while shotguns, when appearing, had been the weapons of the criminals.
Perhaps you now understand, that german soldiers of wwl saw shotguns not as service weapons, but as weapons, used by criminals, so the shotgun armed US soldiers, other ones don' t used them, as criminals.
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