Comments by "David Himmelsbach" (@davidhimmelsbach557) on "If the Soviets and the West went to war in 1945 - who would have won?" video.
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@stas_from_haisyn The West beat the stats to DEATH. The T-34 series has THIN frontal armor. The enemy was popping T-34 with Mark III tanks mounting a 37mm gun all during 1941. Indeed, that gun, that tank was the NUMBER ONE killer of T-34c tanks.
The Soviets made a huge blunder in its deign: they spread is defense equally all the way around. No-one else did so -- and the Soviets stopped doing so in subsequent designs. ALL German, British, American and later Soviet tanks used thicker steel up front. The Sherman -- in American use -- lost 0.8 men per lost Sherman tank 1944-1945 in Northwest Europe. When a T-34 was lost, most of the crew had absolutely no chance to get out. For a side by side comparison go to the Chieftain's videos here on YouTube.
You have been dealing with survivorship bias. All of the ghosts that the T-34 created are not with us to lay out to you how its armor let them down.
There are NO END of German and American crews that survived their tanks -- going on to command yet another. The same can not be said of T-34 crews. When they were hit, only the commander had a decent shot at jumping out in time. There are no end of German accounts telling of trapped and burning T-34 crews. Yet the T-34 ran Diesel fuel. The fires were ammunition fires -- that's why.
AFTER victory, the Red Army pulled and filed all wartime photos of Diesel Shermans in Soviet use deeply penetrating German lines. Why always Shermans? Reliability. BTW, these tank corps were not used to break German lines. They were saved for exploitations, only. The gambit was to break the German line -- then race deep into a critical position -- a rail or road junction -- and then establish a killer defense, in all directions. Time and time again, the Germans found that they simply could not deal with this gambit. While the mechanized corps was doing its 'thing' the rest of the Red Army surged forward -- pretty much everywhere. When the Reds reached Kiev, the Germans were pinned against the Dnieper -- losing all kinds of stuff. Today, the Soviet Shermans are omitted from virtually all Russian war heroics. Said videos don't ever mention the horrific break-down rate of the T-34, either. BTW, the German heavies -- especially the Tiger -- had horrendous break-downs, too. It was nothing for a Tiger battalion to lose 75% of its effectives within two-days of action...all due to break downs -- not combat. When you use forced labor to build your machines of war -- it's a mistake!
For your amusement: decades after the war, American hobbyists have restored a few Panthers, etc. Without exception they have found production sabotage. The German slaves were always putting clogs in the lubrication systems. These were partial clogs intended to break free after so many hours of running. That's what was happening. American production lines were state-of-the-art, never bombed, no sabotage, with a lot of the labor performed by wives and lovers of the boys in the USA. They were meticulous.
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@Jagermeister_Sta A staggering fraction of Soviet war production was via Lend Lease machine tools. ALL machine tools were sporting TUNGSTEN CARBIDE tool bits... and those bits were 100% IMPORTED. Until Lend Lease aid kicked in, Stalin's war machine didn't have a SINGLE T.C. TOOL BIT.
So what?
T.C. is universally used today... because it cuts metal 8 times faster than High Speed Steel. T.C. WAS the Soviet production miracle that we all read about.
The typical historian// poster has no conception of the difference -- having not ever operated a lathe or a milling machine.
Don't argue with me. Argue with your local machinist. That way at least he can get a terrific laugh.
Lastly, ALL Soviet statistics are LIES. Stalin made it ILLEGAL to EVER publish// release correct statistics on ANYTHING. This is why the CIA, MI5, MOSSAD looked like total IDIOTS when the Cold War ended. They'd been using book-loads of totally fake statistics. So they never saw the end coming.
Whereas, I figured the end-of-times TO THE DAY: Augus15, 1991. Yeah, little ol' me. Internal bickering did the trick. It works virtually every time. (Internal bickering did in the French monarchy, too.)
Wikipedia has been corrupted wherever, whenever it counts... especially by state actors.
ANYONE quoting Soviet statistics is a fool, for that soul can't be any smarter than the CIA. Good grief, is that dumb!
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@Jagermeister_Sta Watch out on ANY Soviet statistic. The Soviets DID produce a ridiculous amount of T-34-85 machines -- AFTER the war was over. Because for Stalin, the war was NOT over. He was cranking out tanks for his post-war invasions -- namely Korea. He started that war. Without his jets and jet pilots, Korea could never be a Soviet success. During WWII the Soviets produced just about as many T-34c and T-34-85 as the Americans produced M-4//Shermans.
Modern production experts do NOT rate the T-34c or T-34-85 as cheap to produce. Their aluminum Diesel engines were NOT cheap. Stalin built thousands -- anyway. Diesel engines are ALWAYS more expensive than gasoline engines. Visit an auto lot even today. The primary reason that Stalin had to love Diesels is that back at the oil refinery Diesel fuel can be naturally distilled -- straight off -- as his crude oil ran about 33% middle distillate. ( That's refinery-speak for Diesel fuel.) To craft gasoline from middle distillate is no simple thing. Only the West could do so in staggering volume. Once built, a Diesel engine is almost always going to be more reliable than a gasoline engine. It's totally counter-intuitive, but the burn-stroke of a Diesel is SMOOTHER than the explosion stroke of a gasoline engine. When this factor is combined with the more robust components required for Diesel compression -- you end up with engines that run for millions of miles. (trains, trucks, MV ships) But in war, the enemy destroys your stuff a lot quicker than that. That aspect was critical in American war-designs. Diesels were considered -- and then rejected -- straight off because they'd be too expensive a choice when projections showed that tanks have short lives due to enemy action no matter how they're constructed. The same logic dictated US truck designs. Every machine was designed to be cheap to produce, quick to repair in the field (by harvesting elements of other - ruined - machines) -- and as close to civilian machines in conception as possible. The latter was so that the boys off the farm could be handy with a wrench -- and most trivial repairs could be performed by the crews.
Sega -- this is no place to cover the horrific errors of Stalin -- how he started WWII in Europe -- See YELTSIN'S press conference a generation ago -- or the suffering inflicted by the two tyrants. These topics fill libraries.
My grand-father was at home in bed on D-Day. It was my father that had that pleasure. His outfit took 90% casualties just that very morning. So his experience was restricted to saving the wounded and burying the dead -- which went on for days. In the summer, the dead become very ripe after three-days. So it was a memorable experience. Since he's still alive -- and got national press coverage 6-6-2019 -- his fan mail is still coming in.
The T-34c is a wildly over-rated tank because it's 'hip' in the West to down-grade the M-4. For the Nazis, straight from their propaganda reels you can see that Berlin was much more concerned about the M-4. They were SO MANY and pretty effective. The primary role of main battle tanks is the destruction of enemy infantry divisions -- since these form the vast bulk of the enemy's armies. The basic M-4 had terrific stats WRT chewing up German infantry divisions. They famously climbed up slopes, hills, mountains that the Krauts couldn't believe possible. The only other Western tank in its league was the Churchill. In both cases, merely climbing was enough to trigger the collapse of a German position.
Strangely, the Russian film industry keeps using wooded terrain in its WWII/ Great Patriotic War footage for tank-on-tank fighting. This is phoney. The Red Army defeated the Nazi Armies in OPEN COUNTRY. By the time the Reds attacked up in the North, Nazi Germany was strategically defeated. Force ratios had become absurd. By the Summer of 1944 most Germans were just running around throwing up their hands... unwilling to die for Hitler and Nazism. In Bagration, Hitler lost entire armies in a few weeks. That was mass-surrender. The West would not see its equal until 1945. (Ruhr Pocket)
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@Jagermeister_Sta Stalin screwed everything up for everyone. It took the ordinary Soviet trooper to set things right. BTW, the typical hero was in the infantry -- where most everyone fought. Regardless of the nation, tank troops and pilots were in the extreme minority. They were also in a VERY dangerous position -- surviving the war was very iffy.
The USAAF fighter pilots over Germany suffered 25% casualties -- per month -- month after month -- compounded. The statistics showed that anyone could get shot down.
My favorite Soviet tale is that of a single KV-1 that blocked an entire panzer-corps for three-days in the first days of Barbarossa. That crew wiped out an astounding number of German gun crews and tanks. It, the KV, was sitting astride THE critical path required for a German advance. It took the Germans the better part of a battalion of motorized troops to finally eliminate it. It was the Krauts first contact with the KV-1, BTW. So naturally, the Krauts brought in their experts to study it. They freaked out. They were obviously a full-generation behind the Soviets in tank design. The German Tiger tank was nothing but their version of the KV-1. Check out the side-by-side stats. The Krauts didn't need to conduct much fundamental design. They merely needed to copy -- as best they could -- the general statistics of the KV -- which they DID.
The Panther was the Nazi knock-off of the T-34c. The T-34-85 was Stalin's response to the Panther.
As for the M-4 -- once Rommel saw what the M-4 was all about -- he retired the Mark III panzer PDQ. This is significant, as the T-34c did not cause the Krauts to abandon the Mark III wholesale. As I posted already, the Mark III was killing T-34c tanks straight through Barbarossa, was the number one killer of such tanks. This stat shows just how rare 50mm gunned Mark IIIs were, in the field, early on during 1941.
The T-34-85 was the corrected version of the T-34. It got rid of that terrible T-34c turret -- a TWO-MAN turret. All two-man turrets are duds. Even the Germans had such machines -- but even when designed -- the Mark II was supposed to be strictly a training tank. Hitler launched his war too soon for Guderian -- the chief designer of the Mark III and Mark IV panzers.
For the record: Stalin, not Hitler, started WWII in Europe. This was established by Yeltsin in the 1990s -- to the complete shock of the international press. Stalin intended that Hitler should exhaust Germany and France in a repeat of WWI -- while the USSR would stand aloof. It was his intent to then swoop in and conquer ALL of Western Europe. This gambit is of record within the writings of Soviet elites -- in the Spring of 1941 -- such writings still being held in the national archives.
The Soviet-Nazi Pact was a CONTRACT FOR WAR. Until May 10th, 1940, Stalin had attacked more nations than Hitler -- and had grabbed far more land. Stalin is why France fell in May. For it was Soviet oil that powered the Luftwaffe. Paris could NOT figure out where all of the enemy planes were coming from -- as their internal calculations told them that Germany couldn't possibly fuel up that many machines. In this, they were right. Neither Britain nor France ever figured on Stalin and Hitler becoming love-birds.
WWII didn't start September 1, 1939 -- it started August 23rd, 1939 with Stalin's signature and his own crayon making how much of Poland he wanted. Stalin dictated EVERYTHING. Hitler had NO IMPUT AT ALL. The Nazis had to settle for a copy!!!! Hitler was itching to start a war so badly that he only needed a partner to set his demon free. Until the Pact, the British, French and Americans had Adolf boxed in. They controlled the world's RUBBER. You can't run a truck-based war without it.
In the late 1938s, Germany was so short of rubber tires that major firms would purchase brand new trucks -- just to get their tires! Once the tires were removed, the entire brand-new truck was sold to a junk-yard to be consumed for repair parts! That's just how short Hitler was for rubber -- and how crazy the Nazi economy was. Yeah, just as insane as Stalin's economy.
America fixed Stalin's economy -- and destroyed Adolf's. The amount of fixing performed for the USSR is so great that today neither nation can comprehend it. In both cases it's due to national embarrassment. For the Russians, their extreme dependency on the USA is unbearable. For the USA -- the question and shame is -- "How could you give THAT MUCH STUFF to that tyrant?" That transfer established the:
Soviet atomic bomb
Soviet Tu-4 -- aka B-29 strategic bomber
Set the stage for Korea -- and the entire Cold War.
So, anyway you figure it, it's a taboo topic in both nations.
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@SP-rt4ig I bed to differ. Humanity has not changed a bit. If you think these posts are emotionally charged, and off base -- check out what was passing for political chatter in the 19th Century -- pick any country. Folks these days are actually calmer than their great-grandparents. Blame the world-wide flow of information and history.
As a side note: most tyrants who lead aggressive conflict have never left their country of origin. There are exceptions, but not many. Tojo, Hitler, Stalin, Mao -- these guys were not tourists! They filled their immediate staff with other fellows that had never travelled, either. In contrast, Churchill, FDR, De Gaulle were all men of the world. Famously, FDR practiced collective leadership. Suppressed at the time, FDR was actually too sick -- he was dying -- through most of the war. He kept short hours -- especially from 1943 onwards -- the period when the US really went into high gear. Remember that the US landed two corps in Normandy in June 1944 -- and a Marine corps in June 1944 -- half-the-way around the world -- and only two-weeks apart. BTW, in manning and support, a Marine division is twice as expensive as an Army division. Getting wet cost a ton of money -- and all Marine formations were 'shock' formations... 50% extra man-power relative to an Army formation. All during this frenetic military activity -- FDR was kicking it back with his doctor and Congress. He did not micro-manage the Pentagon.
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