Comments by "ElevenB" (@elevenb6967) on "Top 3 Differences Army Vs. Marines" video.
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1. That's adorable. You guys are your own biggest fans. I find it awesome, that you guys, with so little (which is pure, unadulterated bull$hit), can kick the whole world's ass all by yourselves. Outstanding.
2. "Legally limited to the size of a corps"? By whose authority? I never saw that law. Is it in the Constitution?
3. Embassies, and Consulates....So, basically, you're a security detachment. In TOTAL, there are roughly 1800 of you standing a post. Do you expect us to believe that, if a country's military decides to run buckshot over an embassy, a few of you hard charging security guards, because of your omnipotence, can quell them? Man, you guys MUST be badasses!
Absolutely hilarious!!!
4. Awww...That's cute. I LOVE your "legal" jargon. LEGALLY defined as a force-in-readiness? The legislative branch of the United States government mandated this?? This is news to me. I'll have to look that up. (Although, I know it's a waste of my time, but..........Okay, I'm back. And, as I expected, you're full of $hit!)
I suggest you have your Commandant update the obligatory schpeel your DI's force-feed you in boot. The very last time Congress declared war, was some 80 odd years ago, in WWII. And THAT means, Korea, Nam, Grenada, Iraq, and Afghanistan, required NO congressional declaration. The first boots on the ground to FIGHT, back in OIR, was the ARMY'S 3ID.
Also, the Marines weren't the ONLY force in Grenada, champ. (Ask me how I know this. I know you'll love the answer!)
5. This is the exact equivalent of Army bases on foreign soil. It's called tactical readiness, in the event the $hit hits the fan. You're part of the NAVY. So, of COURSE it makes sense for some of you to be on ships. Duh. But, don't mistake that to be some badassery, that only THEY can be called upon to exercise. You CLEARLY have NO IDEA about the Army, and are just trumpeting more MC propaganda crap.
6. Holy $hit, this was dumb! CROSS TRAINING?? LMFAO!!! What special training does it require, to ride on a boat, and disembark said boat, when you get to the beachhead? You realize what you are, when you land on the beachhead, right??? You're INFANTRY. How you get there, is completely irrelevant. Oh, and I LOVED THIS:
"In general, the regular USMC forces are more adaptable than regular Army forces, as the later tend to specialize more in a certain aspect of combat, while the USMC is more Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none."
I see. So, is what you're telling me is, that quartermasters, network admins, spoons, and JAG personnel, can fly jets, like officers, and warrant officers? I had no IDEA you guys were so complete. My friend was an 0311. I'll have to ask him how he liked flying fighter jets. LOL!! Who knew that rappelling off of birds, and running off of boats made you more formidable.
I have tears in my eyes, I'm laughing so hard!! Best laugh I've had all year!
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@whodat9198 Dude, you're getting sillier with each subsequent post. I love how you guys put all of your eggs in basic rifle qual, and brag about how you shoot 200 yards farther. That's cute. What you ALWAYS seem to fail to mention, is that you can still qualify expert, even if you come nowhere NEAR hitting that 500 yard target. (And this is info I got from a friend of mine, who was an 0311. So, before even attempt to refute me, save your keystrokes!) In today's wars, who engages tangos at that distance regularly?? Also, you do NOT run twice as far on your PFT. You run 3 miles, we run 2. I'm no math genius by ANY stretch. But, even BASIC math tells me that that's not twice as far! Man, get real!! And please stop with the Jessica Lynch shit. She was NOT 11x! Good lord!
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The 1st ID, 3rd ID, 4th ID, 82nd ABD, 25th ID, 101st ABD, 10th MTN, 507th PIR, 25th ID, 2nd ID, 1st CAV and the 75th RR all vehemently disagree with you.
But, hey.....Whatever helps you sleep at night. 😃
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You need to stop this craziness, man. You guys are hilarious. You really think being more aggressive will be all that it takes to win?
I mean, a Chihuahua is 'more aggressive' than a Rottweiler. But, which one would YOU rather have attack you?
Also, I've got a newsflash for you. Different branches are.....well.....different. Not exactly an epiphany, is it?
But, don't get it twisted, bro. Infantry to infantry, the differences between the army and the marines are negligible.
But, okay....Why don't you tell me, in terms of the branches' respective infantries, what makes the marine corps better? Be specific. And don't talk about aggressiveness, because that's definitely NOT endemic to the branch.
I'll wait.....
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Are you even serious right now?
Please go to The History Channel, and even right here on YT, search up some footage of the United States Army during WW2, Korea, and 'Nam. Once you've finished, come back and tell us more about how the army's main focus is to 'hold ground'.
I say again, whether it's army infantry, or marine infantry, the differences are negligible.
Forget the uniforms, forget the drill, forget all that other silly crap that means absolutely NOTHING during times of war. Infantry to infantry, there's practically zero difference. Now, you can try and change my mind. But you'll have a better chance of taking down a fully grown bull elephant with a spitball.
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@whodat9198 Uhm, did you bother to see the date of that link you posted??? (Hahahahahahahaha!) Bro, if you're gonna seriously grab supposed quotes from three people, out of the MILLIONS that served (provided they're accurate, and not embellished like all marines love to do), then I can't take anything you say seriously. You're literally talking about damn near ancient history. What I know is this....You're NOT superior, full stop! There are shitbird Marines (Try and tell me that there are not), and shitbird Soldiers. You will have studs in ALL branches. The US Army is the ass-kicking-est MF's on terra firma. We have kicked ass all throughout history. (Look it up) And no amount of shit talking, and vilification from you, or your lying ass brethren will change that. You are a small branch. You are the Department of the Navy. You try and make everyone who'll listen believe that just because you get yelled at in boot, you're the greatest thing since sliced bread. Well, I hate to bust your bubble, bruh...But you couldn't BE more wrong! So, you just keep puffing, and beating your chest, and making your rounds across cyberspace, telling everyone how badass you are! Meanwhile, the REAL badasses, who shut their mouths, and do their jobs get the props. Ask yourself why you never see Rangers, SEALs, AFPR, and CC's, Deltas, or SF's running around on YT shitting on their brothers in arms! On second thought, don't....As a Marine, you'll simply lie to yourself anyway. But, I'll tell you. REAL bad asses don't have to brag. If you have to brag, you ain't shit! (Badass 101)
Also, getting a badge doesn't make you a grenadier. But, you are BASICALLY TRAINED. (Sound familiar?) Just like graduating from boot makes you a BASICALLY TRAINED MARINE! The REAL training begins when you get to your PDS. You crayon gobblers seem to forget that. LOL! I went through in the 80s. And, contrary to what the text in that link reads, DS's said that you are (here it comes again) a BASICALLY TRAINED SOLDIER upon graduation! This is why they call it Basic "COMBAT" training!! And we ALL GO through it, whether you're a pog, or a hard charging grunt! That's been around FAR longer than that link you posted. But, whatever man YouTube is REPLETE with Soldiers kicking ass in combat! You bring up 3, or 4 instances of a couple of people not packing it, and you think that the whole branch is ass! Well, the fact that this country exists in its current iteration in terms of power, flies in the face of what YOU think of the Army!
But, if you REALLY want to continue this assery, let's go! I'm not talking about round bowns...Break down for me, the EXACT DIFFERENCES in TACSOP's, for the respective branches, and tell me how yours is superior! You're not dealing with a stupid man here, Gomer. So be careful!
I'm not convinced! ;-)
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@TheRIGOCOLA Bro, you're wasting your time with this fool. He, and his ilk are all the same. They've been lied to. He talks about the Army being out of shape. Like we really need cooks, quartermasters, and network admins to be fitness studs. Please! -_-
Whenever those clowns talk shit about the Army, they always refer to pogs. Never Infantry. Because they know what's up. They completely ignore the hardcore hard chargers, and concentrate fully on the aforementioned mos's. Finding a Marine who's respectful, and honorable (which they always talk of how prideful they are of it), is about as difficult as finding an amoeba in a hundred acres of tall grass! They're out there, but there aren't very many of them. THOSE are the Marines I respect. But guys like him?? Forget about it. I say, just let them wallow in a giant vat of misinformation, lies, and wanton stupidity.
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Hahahahahaha!!! Once again, you're only telling HALF the story. You guys are notorious for that. Sure, you have to shoot "AT" that 500 yard target. BUT (and this is a BIG but), you do NOT HAVE TO HIT IT. AND, you can STILL qualify EXPERT, without coming anywhere NEAR that 500 yard target. So why tf is it even there? Why even bother? Also, I'm going to copy/paste an excerpt from a rag called the Marine Times:
(Note....The USMC is adopting a NEW qual SOP. Guess which branch has already had this SOP for YEARS.)
"We've shifted the target down a human target. You do need to strike in what have been identified as lethality zones. Anything outside these zones, could suggest it's not a physiological stop, said CW5 John Costa, director of the marksmanship program management at the training battalion. That's because an operational analysis conducted in 2018 showed lethality gaps in which Marines were having problems hitting moving targets, and hitting human targets in ways that would incapacitate the person."
So, while YOU guys are shooting at cute little popup targets, the ARMY is shooting at MOVING targets, in full battle rattle.
One thing I found funny while reading that USMC rag, was that, they seem to love doing irrelevant comparisons to the ARMY. It was quite comical. Why you guys don't just shut up, and do your jobs, and stop putting down your brothers in arms, I'll never know. The fact that your females 'shoot at' a 500 yard target is precious. I guess they're now considered infantry, as a result, huh?
Man, that little brother syndrome must be a motherf**ker.
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@LetsTravelOurWorld
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the textbook response when you make an asinine statement, and have no answer when you're challenged. Well, before you embark on that vacation, let me give you something to mull over.
There are about 170,000 marines of which 70% are pogs. (Like I bet YOU were.) The army is FAR larger, with FAR more hardcore units, a MASSIVE budget, and MASSIVE firepower. It is arguably the most powerful army on terra firma. It, quite handily, could pummel any army's boots on the planet ALONE. Read that again, Gomer. If the marines had to go to war with the likes of Russia, China, or even NK WITHOUT the army, they'd get their clocks cleaned before you could say 'pimple pie'. Now, you can talk all the poop you want, but ya see, you NEED the army to win a war. But the army certainly doesn't need YOU. So, I'd show some respect to your brothers in arms, Gomer. The marines ain't fighting the army in any reality in your wildest dreams. You dolts don't seem to fathom that both branches play for the same team. It's quite comical, actually.
Have a nice vacation. 😉
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@glizzygoblin-nl2uh Well, if, by looking at my username, you're unable to ascertain whether I'm Army, or Marine Corps Infantry, tells me that you've never served. And that's okay. I'm just saying...If you don't know, you probably shouldn't comment. And I mean that with all due respect. 11 Bravo is an Army occupational specialty, which is unmistakably Infantry.
Whenever I hear (read) people say that the Marines take villages, while the Army occupies, that's a red flag to end all red flags, and couldn't BE more inaccurate.
Plus, if you knew WHY the Marines were established, then you would know that they were/are the Navy's ground-fighting force. They're also not technically a 'separate branch', as they fall under the Department of the NAVY! You're going to have to do a lot better than that, if you're going to try and convince me that Army Infantry, and USMC Infantry are vastly different. Admittedly, their MISSIONS are different. But, when it comes to INFANTRY, in terms of their respective actual TACSOPs, I maintain, the differences are almost too negligible to even mention. Apples to apples, bro. Only the varieties differ.
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@DepressedCrayonEater
Either you didn't read the post, or you don't know the difference between "bread" (which is what YOU wrote), and "bred".
You guys absolutely KILL me with that culture crap. Let me clue you in, sir. Your history, and ethos don't mean dooley squat in real war. It only matters when you're in garrison, or when you're telling everyone who'll listen, that you're a marine. You're not special. You just THINK you are. Your 'distinct role' is that you're naval infantry. (pogs notwithstanding) But, let's be honest.
Although you do fight well, you're redundant. Amphibious landings are about as passé as muskets, and dueling pistols. You exist only because the navy can't 'infantry'. (Except SEALs) Your infantry, and army infantry are practically identical. Accept it, because it is the truth.
That 911 thing? You need to stop it. Everyone who's ever served in combat arms knows that that is solely dependent on the mission, and NOT the branch. Because the 75th, 101st, 3ID, 10th MTN, and the 82nd all vehemently disagree with you.
As for all marines being basically trained in infantry tactics, you literally described the army, dude. Because every single potential soldier WILL have to be basically trained in infantry tactics. And that's irrespective of MOS. The "C" in BCT literally stands for COMBAT. The difference is, OUR pogs KNOW that they're pogs. They don't try to fancy themselves as hard charging grunts like marine pogs do. Just ask the average 0311 if he thinks that quartermaster, spoons, or network admins are the same. That oughtta get a good laugh.
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@echo6echo419 If that's what you think, then you're even more clueless than I originally thought.
Once again, I have to school you Gomers on what the TRUTH is. The very last time Congress declared war, was some 80 odd years ago, in WWII. And THAT means, that Korea, Nam, Grenada, Iraq, and Afghanistan, were all fought WITHOUT a war declaration by Congress.
So, you see, it's not that I "WANTED" to call it wrong. It IS wrong. I'm absolutely STUNNED at the amount crap that you guys are fed, and (obviously) swallow. "Force in readiness"? Seriously, WTF does that even mean? -_-
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@Pazuzu4219 Wait....Who are you? Oh, wait. Maria?? Hahaha! Looks like "YOU'RE" (not 'your', genius) a woman. And therefore, more than likely, a pog. This makes anything you say regarding Army grunts, completely moot.
You're here talking about drills, and basic/boot. That's flippin hilarious!! Gomers like you literally put all of your eggs in the 'boot' basket. It's like the entirety of the rest of your military careers pale in comparison, because boot is literally all you guys ever talk about. Learning basic $hit. Adorable!
Nobody cares, sweetheart. All that boot crap is cute, but real war is light years away from boot. This country, since its inception, has kicked more ass in wars, than every other nation in that time frame. And, who do you think was responsible for the lion's share of said ass-kicking? Now, before you get your panties all scrunched up, understand that I have ZERO problems with respectable Marines. Marines who are smart enough to understand that, this country wouldn't even exist, were it not for the Army. Marines who KNOW that we're on the same freakin team. But, addlepated dingbats like yourself, the nastiest of insignificant pogs, who obviously suffer from delusions of superiority, are the ones I have a problem with. And I will, at every stop, school you like your 8th grade science teacher.
Now, since you're so smart, please explain to all of us reading, how EXACTLY, Army infantry gets less training than Marine infantry. And I want specifics. Please tell us how your training, where the INFANTRY is concerned, is superior to Army infantry.
I'll wait.....
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@robertoshea9825
Discipline is mandatory in all branches. It's not up to the marines to set the standard by which the other branches implement theirs. They have to understand that different branches do things differently.
They somehow consider it undisciplined to call a Sergeant First Class "Sarge". Yet, they are cool with calling a Gunnery Sergeant "Gunny". This, I could understand, if they were in basic, where that is (obviously) not tolerated. You have to be at your PDS, fully fledged, before you can even think about that.
As for being weaker. In what regard? The bench press? LOL. A lot of marines think that being fit somehow makes them better shooters. They always compare themselves to army pogs. Pogs, BTW, who almost never see anything even remotely resembling combat. Very rarely do they comment on the infantry. And that's because they know that both army, and marine infantry are almost completely identical. (Some have even said redundant) The U.S. Army is arguably the most powerful army on the planet. Without us, the marines would be finished, and they know it. With all of the hardcore soldiers in the army, you have to ask yourself why you never hear them talking mess. That's because they're the SILENT professionals. The difference is, soldiers do their jobs very well....Only with their mouths shut. A lot of marines.....Not so much. A lot of them love to d:k measure.
Soldiers don't do that. When you know your d:k is big, you don't need to measure.
And lastly, that cute little "do more with less" thing they love to trumpet never gets an answer when asked to elaborate; Do more what, and with less what?
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@kennethralcock
That's cute. Except you're missing pretty significant portions of the story. (Which is something you marines are notorious for doing.)
Lebanon:
14,000 boots, 5600 marines. - Lie
Nicaragua:
700 marines - Miniscule conflict
OEC:
118 Delta, Special Forces, and Rangers would decidedly NOT constitute a "large army force" - Exaggeration
(Please watch a documentary on what went wrong, then come back and tell us how the marines would have fared any better in that situation)
Monterey: 50 marines, 100 sailors - That was not a war, it was a street fight.
I was able to research every instance you pasted. Looks like you copied them from a marine-biased rag. Not ONLY were almost every one of them ancient history (We're talking 1, to 2 CENTURIES ago), they were so miniscule. Most of them would literally be like calling your 6 foot7 inch big brother to fight your middle school bully. You really want props for that, man? You really want to try and vilify your own brothers in arms for some glory-by-association, that you will never experience? AND, you want props for 10-12 marines, per embassy, standing a post representing some bada$$ery of which only marines are capable?
Try handling Russia, or China, or even NK WITHOUT the army, and see how well that works out for ya. Unreal! -_-
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One of my units was mechanized Infantry. My PltSgt, Company 1SG, BatSGM, and even BdeSGM, were all ex drills, and tabbed. 5 mile runs every PT, almost CONSTANT FTX's! We were hard charging animals! I never envied the Marines. EVER! We trained with them during Reforger. Literally zero difference in our respective TACSOPs, and methodology. The Marines are literally a fraction of the size of the Army. So, even their pogs think they're 0311s. (lol) So, it's a lot easier for them to adhere to the 'culture'. Cooks, and Network Admins are FAR less likely to be 'gung ho, kill everything'. Because....Well....They're pogs. They're not expected to be that way. But, combat MOS's??? Completely different animal. (At least in MY experience.)
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@scottkain8977 Four years? E-4??? That's cute. But, hardly accurate. 😀
"but at my level of service we must categorize everything into mission designations so we don't step on each other's toes."
I'm seriously trying to make any sense of this. If you delete the term "expeditionary force" from your Marine Corps lexicon, do the Marines suddenly go away? Mmmm....I'm gonna guess no. But, the Marines using it to describe what they do, exclusive of the other branches, again, TO ME, is silly. And, let's say, for S's-n-G's, that the term IS erased.....Please explain how, exactly, toes would get stepped on.
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@scottkain8977 I never said that it wasn't a beautiful institution of killers. (TBT, I like that description FAR more than the whole expeditionary force crap)
My only beef with (mostly pot ass) Marines, is the fact that the overwhelming majority of them suffer from delusions of superiority.
What they fail to grasp, is that fighting with each other is completely asinine. We are brothers in arms, full stop. I'd rather fight the enemies of our country, than a Marine.
Even those nasty pigs, who think they're more highly trained than an Army grunt, just because they got yelled at in boot. (And trust me, they're out there, in HUGE numbers. You only need to peruse this very comments section that you're in right now, if you don't believe me.) Not even remotely accurate...But comical, nonetheless. ;-)
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We are coming to the end of the year 2022....And you Gomers STILL believe, that the USMC is SO badass, they're the only ones (all 180,000 of you...70% pogs) that can be called to military action, without congressional approval. LMFAO!
Hate to break it to you, buddy boy, but there hasn't been an official declaration of war, by the United States, since 1941. And THAT means, Korea, Nam, Grenada, Iraq, and Afghanistan, were all wars with NO congressional declaration. In those aforementioned wars, I'm fairly certain that all four branches participated. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.
Educate yourself BEFORE you post, son. That way, you won't look like Bozo. -_-
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@paulwilson8672 Wow, man. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
How are Marine units "faster to deploy"??
Have Marine aircraft been equipped with warp engines that can break the light barrier? I had no idea.
"America's 911 force"? That's hilarious.
I guess you've never heard of the 82nd, the 101st, the 10th MTN, the 3ID, or the 75th.
Fair enough. If that is true, look them up, and educate yourself.
Lastly, to 'Orange' transport with another service shouldn't be considered a slight, when you're trying to win wars. (Which, our country has done since its inception.) What you Gomers fail to fathom, is that, the United States military's branches are NOT enemies with one another. We're on the same team. The sooner you realize that, the better. So many of you think that you're superior. You're not. That's a FACT. Reconcile yourself to it. You'll be better for it. -_-
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@LeatherneckJoe133
That's one hell of a picture, son. Unfortunately, it was painted by a rank amateur, who hasn't the foggiest idea what he's talking about
I'm guessing you were either chaptered out, or, you were a pog. Marine pogs are funny in that, they're always the ones who like to fancy themselves as hardcore juggernauts, and have the biggest mouths, when they've NEVER lived the life of a grunt. In fact, the only thing they talk about incessantly, is learning basic $h1t (boot).
I say this because only a clueless pog would say that the marines go in and wipe everything out, only so that the army, whose infantry BTW, is every bit as capable as marine infantry, can go in, and 'hold the beachhead'. That's ridiculous. IF you were infantry, then you would know that that's not what we do.
But, you're probably young, and this is the drivel that your DI's force-fed you in history classes while at boot. So, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Either way, you couldn't BE more wrong if you wanted to be. Educate yourself BEFORE you post, sir.
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@LeatherneckJoe133
Well, then I stand corrected. And I do thank you for your service to this great nation.
But you're still wrong. I've seen footage of soldiers fighting in the Vietnam War. I never saw them "holding" jack. They were deep in the $h1t, battling.
"if you know anything about the US Marines you know that they are grunts first then they’re secondary MOS comes in"
What I know for a fact is, unless you're an 03, you are definitely NOT a grunt. Going to the range once a year, does not an infantryman make. (Not even close) That's just some bull$h1t marine pogs love to say, so they can feel like they're hardcore infantry.
Also, when soldiers go through Basic Combat Training, they're taught 'BASIC' infantry tactics. As you can see, the "C" in BCT literally stands for COMBAT. And every single soldier will go through it. And that's irrespective of mos. But, unlike marines, pog soldiers KNOW that they're pogs, and don't try and convince the entire world that they're infantry, when they're decidedly NOT.
And, to answer your question, yes. I was US Army Airborne infantry. 11 Bravo was my mos. You're never too old to learn something.
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@spazman8675309 That's fair. It's kinda like how I'M never surprised when Marines talk shit about the Army on literally every single Army (US military) video on YouTube.
I'll make it clear, and easy to understand....Infantry is Infantry! And that is irrespective of which branch you're on about. The differences are negligible, full stop.
That whole 'ready to fight anytime, anywhere' thing is absolutely NOT exclusive to the USMC. The Army has its own RDF's. The beachhead thing....It's over. It's not even really a thing anymore. It always tickles me when I hear Marines talking incessantly about beaches, vs. inland. HOW you get to the A/O is completely irrelevant. It's what you do when you GET there, that's important. It takes no special Infantry skills whatsoever, to ride on/in watercraft, while en route to the battle. Army Infantry is just as capable of striking hard, and fast, as the Marines. If you doubt that, go to the search window, and type in: 82nd Airborne Division, 101st Airborne Division, 3rd Infantry Division, 1st Infantry Division, 75th Ranger RGT., 18D, and many others. Look at their training, or combat footage. Once you've done that, then talk to me about hitting hard, and striking fast. If you missed it, I'll type it again.....INFANTRY IS INFANTRY! Change my mind.
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@spazman8675309 "since I have to spell it out, the navy and marine corps are on scene first,
Uhm, that would completely depend on where the campaign is there, champ. So, you "spelled it" wrong. I re-read your initial post. I don't think the word "analogy" is used in the proper context. But, whatever. You're still wrong. If the Army, and Air Force are capable of, as you say, 'larger', and 'wider spread' attacks, then why would the USMC even be necessary?
Now, I'm not saying that you could not have amassed knowledge of ground fighting SOP's of the respective branches....But....well.....let me put it this way, I'm not gonna talk about what the Navy does, never having SERVED in the Navy. Especially when I have no idea what I'm talking about. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING depends on the mission at hand. But, I do respect, and prop you for serving as a gunner. :-)
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@blaircolquhoun7780 It doesn't. I maintain, that how you get to the fight, whether it's via watercraft, aircraft, landcraft, or teleportation beaming, is irrelevant. The infantry does not conduct warfare "on the water". It conduct it on LAND.
So, the term "amphibious warfare" is not only a misnomer, it is misleading. Again, you're using amphibious craft to get to the land to fight. They may as well call it amphibious transportation. Because really, that's all it is.
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The reason that difference wasn't mentioned, is because, like the Thylacine, it doesn't exist. That literally would be like saying that the difference between Granny Smith apples, and Gala apples, is that Gala apples taste like chicken. Not even close. Also, as for the army being slower.....Well, there are a pretty sizable amount of army units that would vehemently disagree with you. Among them, would be the 82nd Airborne Division, the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Division, the 10th Mountain Division, the 3rd Infantry Division, the 1st Infantry Division, the 173rd Airborne Brigade, and the 75th Ranger Regiment. ALL of which are RDF, light infantry units. The problem with a lot of marines, is that they think that the army consists exclusively of lumbering tanks. Tankers are NOT infantry. I always get a kick out of that 'we do more with less' crap. That's an old wives' tale that just won't die. Along with the army's mission statement being to 'hold ground'. Absolutely hilarious. I really wish you guys would know what you're talking about before you post. Army infantry, and marine infantry are practically identical. Oh, and BTW, overwhelm is one word, not two.
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I don't think you want to go that route there, Mikey boy. They're standing a post. They're not special, and no better than any other security guard standing a post.
In TOTAL, there are about 1800 of them, based in around 135 countries. At MOST, there are around 10-12 guards per embassy.
Now, you don't really think those 10, or 12 marines, if the host country's army decides to overrun the embassy, would have a snowball's chance in a pizza oven, of quelling that attack, do you? I mean, if you do, let me know. I'd love a good belly laugh. 🤣
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@MillerEP1 You said:
"By the time they get there, we'll already be boots on the ground welcoming them to their new airfield we got them."
Give me one instance in RECENT history, where that happened?
Also, you really think that 2,200 Marines is a formidable force? I mean, maybe if there was a conflict against East Timor. But, what would those 2000 Marines be able to do against Russia, or China? Stop acting like you guys are any faster at RDF's than the Army. If you're already off the coast of the hot spot, of COURSE "SOME" of you will be there first. If we race in the hundred meter dash, and you start 50 meter mark, guess who will finish first. I mean, that's not rocket science. You guys act like you're there first ALL the time. ("We're first to fight...Yay") Nope!
The 82nd, as a DIVISION, can be on the ground anywhere on this planet in 18 hours, or less. Also, in OEF, the 3ID was the first infantry unit on the ground. Infantry is infantry. Change my mind.
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Hahahahahahahaha!!! I LOVE this quote. Especially because you clowns actually believe it's accurate. I can assure you, my crayon crunching friend....It is not.
Please pay attention, because school is in session....
Your cute little quote by General Vessey read, that there were THREE army regiments being "pinned down".
A regiment consists of 5,000 men. X that by three, and you have around 15,000 troops.
Now, be careful, because I don't want you to hurt yourself.
In TOTAL, there were 1500 enemy troops on the island. Please explain how 15,000 army troops were "pinned down" by 1500 enemy boots, when the TOTAL NUMBER of American boots on the island was just 7000????? The conflict lasted 4 days. Read that again, sir. And slowly.
I'll wait for your response........
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@DepressedCrayonEater
I wish you would condense your retorts to a single post. You're all over the place, and I simply don't have the time to tear apart your dialog, as I have $h1t to do. So, I'll do what I can. YOU said:
"Culture, values, tradition, and brotherhood is what binds an army or a Corps together You underestimate its value.."
Well no $h1t. But I still fail to see how tradition can win a war. I mean, you're just not making any sense, man. The military literally exists to fight wars.
What other soldiers, or marines did a century prior is completely irrelevant.
I promise you, your history will not be thought of when you're getting fired upon.
"Not only is the army far larger it is also not structured and organized like the Marine Corps"
Please explain this, specifically. Structured/organized in what fashion?
"and therefore cannot perform the mission of the Marine Corps at the same proficiency level that the Marines can by definition."
Please tell us what the marines do that the army can't do.
"The Marines are the best at what they do. The Marines are more akin to shock troops due to the fact that they are inherently more mobile and responsive than the Army by design."
"Shock troops"? LOL I honestly believe you guys just throw words around having no idea what they mean. The US Army HAS to be big, with MASSIVE firepower. How is this news? What do you think all of that tradition, and culture of the US Marine Corps would do against a huge power like China, or NK, or even Russia? Do you honestly believe that all that "rah" crap will beat them alone? You act as if the entire US Army is sent in one big bag. It's not. Yes, we're huge. However, the 82nd Airborne Division for instance, is an RDF unit. It can be anywhere on the planet in 18 hours, or less. And, last I checked, no boat that has EVER existed, can move faster than a plane. And before you start with the marines being on boats thing, save your keystrokes. You number anywhere from 30 to 85 individuals. Not exactly what I'd call formidable.
Say whatever you like, man. But, I'll tell you what I've told scores of marines like yourself. You'd better get down on your knees, and thank whatever deity you worship, that the United States Army exists. Because if it didn't, and a war broke out between the aforementioned powers, you'd be wiped clean off the face of this planet before you could say Peter Piper. We can win without you., but you CERTAINLY can't win without us. So show some respect to your brothers in arms, bro. We're NOT your enemy. Although, for reasons that will forever remain a mystery to me, you certainly ACT as though we are.
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@DepressedCrayonEater
"If we are going to compare boot camp, to army basic, every transfer from another branch must go through Marine Corps Bootcamp. With a few exceptions, Marines can transfer to any branch and skip their basic training. It is a different and in some cases arguably higher standard."
LMAO! BANG! I KNEW it would only be a matter of time before the boot argument reared its ugly head. So, here I go again.
Let's talk about boot, shall we? You know, the thing where kids who probably still pee the bed, go to learn basic $h1t?
Please get a grip, man. Do you know why prior service members have to go through marine boot? It's because it is MARINE CORPS POLICY. They think that they're going to be shook at the sight of those screaming DI's. That's hilarious.
Only teenage kids are scared of drills. If I, an ex grunt decided to go to the MC, you think I, a grown man, would be shook by marine drills? Hahaha. Man, please.
The other branches are smarter than that. They know that it is a complete waste of time, and money to require people whose DD-214's still have wet ink, to go through basic. HOWEVER, if you're out of service for more than three years, and you decide to go army, guess where your ass is going....Yup, BASIC. And that's whether you're a marine, or not. Don't get it twisted. If an army grunt decided to jump to the MC, fresh off his ETS, he would literally walk through boot.
Stop the insanity, bro. This is getting crazy. Hahaha!
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@aspectrum
You keep harping on those cute little 'phrases', when we all know that pogs are NOT infantry. I just told you that every soldier goes through basic combat training, yet you don't seem to grasp that the rifleman thing is not exclusive to the marine corps. This is part of the disconnect. You guys are so wrapped up in your phrases, making you think you're all supermen. Wake up, man. You guys have to attend MCT/SOI, because you all get almost zero real infantry training in boot. The overwhelming majority of your 12 weeks (Yes, I said 12. Not sure why you guys always include reception as part of boot, when you're not training. You're processing) is getting taught how to be military, breaking you of civilian life, history classes, a little range time, a week of swimming, and an absolute incessant amount of drilling. (This is why you're so good at it. You're not magical. You do it constantly, until it's spewing out of your earholes.) So don't act like MCT is some hardcore extra combat training. Again, you get almost none while in boot.
You're cherrypicking the story. Pog basic is 10 weeks. Infantry OSUT is 22 weeks. AIT is for things like MP's, Intelligence, medical, Information Technology, etc. All support mos's. The army's infantry alone is larger than the entire marine corps.
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@DepressedCrayonEater
"In regard to the 82nd airborne being anywhere in the world in 18 hours, it’s not the whole division, it is a singular brigade combat team. "
Uhm, a division is a unit. And IN that unit, ALL mos's are included. So, even if you're a cook, and you're attached to the 82nd, you will still wear the patch. When the 82nd is called into action, pretty sure that doesn't include the pogs "attached" to the unit.
A division consists of 15,000 individuals. A brigade, 5,000.
Pog basic was increased from 9 to 10 weeks. We never include reception.
I never said that YOU said that pog marines were infantry. But, you keep harping on that riflemen phrase, as if it ONLY pertains to the marine corps. It doesn't. A g a i n....ALL soldiers are trained with the rifle. AND, are BASICALLY combat trained. So, by your definition, they would be considered riflemen too, would they not? If the answer is yes, then I'm confused why you would even bring that up.
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@DepressedCrayonEater
"As I said, with a few exceptions Marines can transfer to any branch without going through that branches basic. That is not the case for every other branch transferring to the Marine Corps. You might be a hardcore Airborne Infantrymen, respect, but the Marine Corps doesn’t care. If you transfer, you will start out as a nasty know nothing recruit , and earn your place like everyone else."
What the marines "consider" you, is not relevant. If I go to the marine corps fresh out of Airborne infantry, trust me, I know how to fight. Going through boot wouldn't mean a damn thing to me, and, as "I" said, would be colossal waste of time. I literally would be yawning all the way through it.
But, you keep believing that boot camp (i.e., learning basic s**t), is the be all, end all for your entire military career. That's precious.
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@lamoe4175
That's nice. But, the problem is, those marine supply clerks, networks admins, truck drivers, JAG personnel, and spoons all think they're hard charging grunts. And why? Because they all finished boot.
Not impressed. The difference is, army pogs KNOW they're pogs. They don't try to pass themselves off as big bad Billy Badasses. Not even close. Most marines think they're better than everyone else. All they ever talk about is boot, boot boot. Learning basic $h1t. Once they get to their units, the only time they ever see anything even remotely close to combat, is when they go to the range to re-qual once a year.
The marines number LESS than a hundred seventy thousand. A good 70% are pogs. The army has close to a million. The army's infantry/combat arms ALONE dwarfs the size of the entire marine corps.
So, yeah, you guys can sort of afford to be cultist weirdos, because of your paltry numbers. After all, you're the navy's infantry.
Pogs notwithstanding.
But, make no bones about it, you and I BOTH know, that in the event of a war with a real threat, you guys would get wiped off the face of the earth without the army.
Fitness, standards, screaming DI's, and those Purdy dress blues all don't mean jack $h1t in war.
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@thebasementwoodworker7465 I hate to break this to you, sir....But, the very definition of the word "expeditionary" is to send military personnel away from their homeland, to serve abroad. And that's irrespective of branch of service. That literally describes every military base on foreign soil.
Marines are literally the Navy's infantry.
That whole thing about the US Army being built to hold land is a ridiculous wives' tale.
I was Army infantry, and I can't remember a single thing in my training, that even remotely resembled holding land. Our mission was to go, when called upon, and obliterate the enemy. I never held any land.
You'd have to look through a microscope, to see any difference whatsoever, between Army infantry, and USMC infantry. Completely negligible.
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"instant military on dail"
The 101st Airborne Division, 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Division, 10th Mountain Division, 3rd Infantry Division, 1st Infantry Division, 173rd Airborne Brigade, 11th Airborne Division, 1st Cavalry Division, 10th SFG, and the 75th Ranger Regiment have all entered the chat, and vehemently disagree with you.
The more you know.....
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@ljmorris6496
I seriously think there's a communication gap here. So, I'll try just once more. Please concentrate and take your time reading.
YOU said that those units do not have their own aircraft, watercraft. But the ARMY indeed DOES have them. What the units are, is irrelevant. Does the army have its own C-17s, and C-130s? Of course not. But, you'd better believe that they're there for use at any moment in time. There are currently 7 MEU's. Now, let's say, in some wild scenario, that the United States had to go to war with China, IN China. It's only an example, as I realize this would probably never happen.
BUT, if it did, and there's an MEU off the coast of Japan, which, at its closest point, is 2000 miles away, how long do you think it would take to get there? No worries, I did the math for you. An MEU's TOP speed is around 27 MPH. My math tells me that it would take them 3 days to get there. The 82nd Airborne Division can be anywhere on the planet in 18 hours, or less. So yes, they are very much "military on dial". THAT, my friend, was my point all along.
The fact that they have to use the air force for transport is completely irrelevant.
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@ljmorris6496
I seriously think there's a communication gap here. So, I'll try just once more. Please try to concentrate.
YOU said that those units do not have their own aircraft, watercraft. But the ARMY indeed DOES have them. What the units are, is irrelevant. Does the army have its own C-17s, and C-130s? Of course not. But, you'd better believe that they're there for use at any moment in time. There are currently 7 MEU's. Now, let's say, in some wild scenario, that the United States had to go to war with China, IN China. It's only an example, as I realize this would probably never happen.
BUT, if it did, and there's an MEU off the coast of Japan, which, at its closest point, is 2000 miles away, how long do you think it would take to get there? No worries, I did the math for you. An MEU's TOP speed is around 27 MPH. My math tells me that it would take them 3 days to get there. The 82nd Airborne Division can be anywhere on the planet in 18 hours, or less. So yes, they are very much "military on dial". THAT, my friend, was my point all along.
The fact that they have to use the air force for transport is completely irrelevant.
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Uhm, China has almost 3400 fighter jets. The Marines have a TOTAL of 297. Not exactly an air 'force', now is it? The Marines, in TOTAL, have about 180,000 people. More than 85% of those are POGS! (Now, watch, as he PREDICTABLY mentions that crap about 'every Marine being a rifleman.) The sooner you guys stop swallowing all the bullshit you're fed, the better you'll be for it. You're not some omnipotent super beings, capable of kicking the whole world's ass all by yourselves. You're fkn MEN! You really expect anyone reading this to BELIEVE, that 2200 Marines (MEU) can "stand alone"???? Against WHO? Liechtenstein?? Man, you guys are freakin HILARIOUS! LMAO!! Did you even serve? Educate yourself BEFORE you post stupid, untruthful shit!
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@Ezees23 I'm not disputing a single word of what you wrote, man. I get it. MY problem with a lot of Marine pogs is, they think that just because they shot at pop up targets in boot, that somehow makes them Infantrymen....And that's not even remotely close to accurate.
But, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not crapping on pogs. Without them, we grunts can't do jack. I just don't like it when they try to pass themselves off as being these omnipotent juggernauts. It's ridiculous.
And, as an aside, every single Soldier, irrespective of MOS, MUST do "BASIC" combat training, and learn to shoot. BUT, I say again, they are NOT INFANTRY! That's a whole different ball of wax, trust me! I've lived that life for YEARS, so I know what I'm talking about. Stay safe.
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@harshglare5017 You said that Marines "know how to act". That LITERALLY is an irony tsunami. Tell ya what, champ...Put US Army in the search window, right here on YT. Click on any video. No, seriously, ANY one! I will promise you one thing, it will be FULL of Marines who "know how to act". (haha)
Pfft. Come back to me when your Marine brethren are able to show respect to the other branches. Which, BTW, keep this country safe as a WHOLE. Where would the Marines be, if every branch that stupid, disrespectful Marine pogs shit on, suddenly disappeared? You don't have to answer, as I'm sure you already know.
But, why am I even responding to you, when you've never even served? Now I feel slightly less intelligent for having done so. You have no clue what you're talking about. -_-
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Sorry there, Vincey...But you're woefully inaccurate, and have absolutely no freakin CLUE what you're talking about.
1st. That $hit about the Marines going in, taking the land with overwhelming force, and then the Army coming in to setup forts, is hilarious. Absolute bull$hit....But, hilarious just the same. In all my years of training in the infantry, I've literally never seen anything even remotely resembling setting up a fort. (LMFAO!!)
2nd. I'm calling bull$hit on your "Had plenty of vets from other branches, Army included, say to me, "I wish I would have joined the Marines." thing. Cool story bro. But, I'm not buying.
I've seen abused pack animals who are treated better than you guys in the fleet. This is why so many of you finish your 4 year hitch, then jump ship to the "Nasty Girls".
THEN, you said: "The fact that you didn't, for the purposes of the conversation, tells me [you know] you took a softer route - for whatever reason - and now regret missing out on the chance to be a part of a very special fraternity. I've yet to know of a Marine who wished he would have joined another branch. Semper Fi."
Hahahaha!! I think it's cute the way you try to sound all tough, and intelligent, when it made no sense whatsoever. What was YOUR mos? Be honest....You were a pog, huh? (Now watch, he'll say the same old tired bull$hit that all you dumb pog ass Gomers say. "ALL Marines are grunts!" Pure, unadulterated comedy! :-D )
Lastly, the Army DOES have camps, as WELL as forts, you nimrod. CLEARLY you posted this absolute drivel about the Army, with zero knowledge of it.
Yup, another dumb Gomer, suffering from delusions of superiority. yawn -_-
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@agmsmith4079 Sure, pal. Let's play!
There are actually SEVERAL ways to get all that equipment overseas. I'll give you two.
1. United States Air Force/United States Navy. As we're the United States MILITARY, we have what is called, a SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP! Now, I know you're a little challenged intellectually, so I'll make it easy for you! Symbiosis basically means that two different species are mutually beneficial to one another. To dumb it down even further, it's a one hand washes the other/you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours deal. Get it? lol!
"Sailors/Airmen, we know you guys don't do any ground-fighting, so we'll take care of it for you. All we ask is that you give us transportation to the A/O. You will? Cool! You guys rock!"
^^^
THIS, because we're BROTHERS IN ARMS, and fight for the SAME F*CKING TEAM!!
A concept Gomers like you fail miserably to grasp! TOGETHER, we keep our country safe!
There's none of that gay crap you Marines are notorious for...Like dick-measuring. Soldiers are kinda like that old Eddie Murphy stand up clip. When your dick is big, you don't NEED to measure it! You just know it is! LOL! There's none of that, "if it wasn't for us, you couldn't take the fight to the enemy!" Know why??? Because that is LAME! If we can't take the fight to the enemy, the enemy can't get its ass kicked! DUH!
2. Please Google USTRANSCOM. If your STUPID ass didn't know (and I'm pretty sure you DIDN'T!), the US Army ALSO uses PRIVATE transportation companies to get to the A/O!
So, thank you US Navy, and USAF!. (Notice I didn't mention Marines. You guys are pretty much useless when it comes to transportation.) And you can kill all that crap about how you're part of the Navy...As if you should get some kind of props. Especially when all you do is talk shit about them! "Yeah, we're the Department of the Navy.....The MEN'S department!" Sound familiar?? LMAO! I'm an all pro when it comes to this shit! You're way out of your league, son! So, as they say in the vernacular....You better recognize!
Also, I wanna know where you got that drivel about the Marines reporting directly to the president!!! I actually woke up this morning, STILL laughing at that shit!! LMFAO! OH...And how SOCOM was established to compete with Marines!! OMFG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
BTW, I hope the popcorn was delicious!
LOLOLOL!!!
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