Comments by "Sean Cidy" (@seancidy6008) on "Dr. Todd Grande"
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On the 1st April 2014 after 2pm, by which time they had turned around to go back and were retracing their steps, someone attacked and subdued Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Their phones were taken off them. About two hours later one attempted emergency call was made from each of their phones, 12 minutes apart. Had that been Kris and Lisanne, they'd each have made multiple attempts one after the other. So it was almost certainly one man who knew there was no phone reception in the area, and was using each of their phones in turn. Or, or him untying the hands standing over each girl in turn as they tried to made the calls. What is strange is this entailed him already having formulated a long term plan to later leave the phones to be found. He then switched both phones off for 13 hours (inconceivable that Kremers and Froon would have made one failed-to-connect call each to the emergency number, then both given up and switched off). Next morning he switched the phones on, and again made--or more likely had the girls make--attempts to connect to the emergency number. There was only one call by Kremer's but repeated calls by Froon's phone,. On the third try by Froon's phone that morning, to his surprise and no doubt dismay, Froon's phone did connect to a network. There were no more attempt to call the emergency number with Froon's phone, and Froon's phone was left on all night, which ran the battery down. Next morning (3rd April), Kremers's phone made an attempt to call the emergency number that was the last one by either of the phones. Just think about that for a second; it had power and was having the correct pins entered for another 48 hours, yet there was no attempt to call the emergency or any other number by Kremers's phone*. I doubt that either girl was alive after midday of the 5th. That would explain why no PINS for Kremers's phone starting that afternoon. There was the photo on the 8th of Kremer's hair, but that could have been faked on her corpse. The activity without PINS on Kremer's phone until the 11th April was part of a charade being staged by the perpetrator. *Kremers's phone did not need PINs for an emergency call , nether did Froon's. No mystery.
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Dr Grande's worst ever video. These were two physically fit intelligent adults. Perhaps a chance in a million this was any kind of dual misadventure while lost. Start from the the most obvious thing: that they were a couple of strikingly attractive young women in an isolated area without phone reception, who would have been defenceless, and thus a tempting target for predatory men. The propinquity of what was left of their bodies, bones being fragmented into shards (especially), and one set of remains showing signs of being chemically stripped of flesh makes it ludicrous to think the most plausible explanation is accidents and exhaustion. The sinister night photograph of the back of Kremers’ head shows blood; they were being forced by their captors to walk into a more secluded area, the flash was for light. I strongly suspect they were followed from the town, realized it and tried to call for help but got captured and beaten, then forced deep into the jungle possibly to some shack. The bodies were pulverised and disposed of later. Sadly, when police are confronted with an unsolvable crime they have a powerful motive to write it off as probably not due to foul play. I'm old and over the decades have seen it repeatedly. For example the Babes in the Wood murders (Epping Forest), and the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and the case of Julie Ward.
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@CreamIceMs Well I am sure they were where they were unable to be heard but why? What you suggest as resolving an anomaly is reasonable, yet in this case there are myriads; when each factoid is examined individually one can see no overall pattern of a malevolent intelligence at work and the fact that these were two striking young women seems irrelevant , yet the evidence must be assessed in its totality rather than arbitrarily hinging on one point. When one proceeds in such a manner the marginal unlikelihoods accumulate into an Everest. Incidentally, It is not jungle, because you cannot keep cattle in a jungle and there are trails, work shacks and scattered dwellings for the herders (including a shack the book co authored by the Panamanian investigating magistrate in the case says the girls spent time in), you cannot keep cows in a jungle. Volunteer and then paramilitary emergency search parties were in that area yelling for days while the phones were being switched on and offin the latter part of a period of a full eleven days. And the those searching were professional guides so experts, and Panamanians trained in how to look for lost people in real jungle like the Darien Gap national park. I think it reasonable to assume their local knowledge, training, and experience enabled them to understand how far sound would travel and to go close enough to rivers to be within earshot. Except in a thunderstorm; now the night photo of a full week after they disappeared and that shows Kris's hair was taken in the early hours during a thunderstorm. Why do you think that photo, the only evidence of either KK and LF during the 11 days, was taken when no one was going to be out and about; it feels clandestine, eh?
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They started at 10.45 am and took 3 hours up to the peak, then kept going and went down the other side on a rougher continuation of the trail for an hour. It is known where the last daytime photo (Kremers on a boulder in a small stream) was taken and that it was taken at 2pm. They had been taking photos of all points of interest, but not far along from the location of picture 508 is a photogenic little waterfall, yet there is no photo of it. The lack of any more photos would be explained by them turning around to go back at 2pm. Such a decision would be very plausible because by that point the girls been already been walking for 4 hours, 3 of them uphill. Going back they they'd already have photos of everything on the route. The photos cannot lie, unlike the phone activity. Calls from their phones may have been by the perp, and made to deceive investigators, but as you say something bad was underway when both girls' cell phones tried to connect to the emergency number 2.5 hours after the 2pm photo. If they had not turned around and started back at 2pm and instead went on one hour it would mean they'd be accepting a five hour walk back. I just cannot see them choosing what, if they had eventually returned safe, would have amounted to a 10 hours walk (half of that up inclines). However, let us assume they wanted for some reason to keep on, and did not not turn around and go back, but instead kept walking in the same direction; no matter how hard they pressed on, they simply could not have reached the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine in 2.5 hours from where they were at 2pm. So, whatever the apparent attempted emergency number calls after 4.30 pm were for, and whoever was using the girls cellphones to make them, those calls had nothing to do with an accident crossing the river cable bridge. Moreover, and this is a very telling point I think, the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine is on the trail. So even if they went off the trail they must have got back on it to get to the cable bridge, and even if they were confused about what way they were going they knew they certainly must have know they had not crossed the cable bridge before and so to cross it was go further away from Boquete as it was getting dark. They had researched the trail on the internet before going so knew crossing the cable bridge would not be a quicker route to civilization than than turning around and going back down the trail. Crossing the cable bridge was going into part of trail they had never been on in order to hike though the night. The emergency calls, whoever made them, time the fateful events as being underway by 4.30pm . Yet no more calls were made for another 14 hours and the phones were switched off during that time.
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