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  6. 1.That area has around the trail has parts like that with overhead foilage blocking out the light, but you can walk out of them because this is not the Brazilian jungle that goes on forever or even the Darien Gap. There are people and cattle around and you cannot keep cattle in a jungle. 2 If it was Froon and Kremers alone and lost taking the night photos, both of them were alive and well in the jungle for six nights already without using the camera at all; yet on in the early hours of the 8th April a full week after they went missing they suddenly decided to use the camera at night. By the way, the Panamanian authorities said the night photos were by Froon and show Kremers had died. It had been raining and It takes a month to starve to death. So even if Kremers had died, Froon's only immediate problem was she was lost and in that scenario the phone details must be accepted as proving she (or possibly Kremers) was still alive on the 11th. The searchers, many with previous experience of finding lost tourists in the area were aided by Panamanian special forces in combing though all areas they the girls could have reached, That very intensive search had began on the 6th of April and consisted of sweeps with yelling and using both loud calls and lights at night. It simply is not credible that either Kremers and Froon were able to turn a phone on and off and put it neatly in their backpack yet yet missed this dragnet moving through the area where they were, which must have come close to them while audible for miles away. If they had been lost they would want to be found. Finally the Panamanian government did not say the jungle killed them, according to them it was a cable bridge and that is not in the jungle, it is on the trail.
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  59. On the 1st April 2014 after 2pm, by which time they had turned around to go back and were retracing their steps, someone attacked and subdued Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Their phones were taken off them. About two hours later one attempted emergency call was made from each of their phones, 12 minutes apart. Had that been Kris and Lisanne, they'd each have made multiple attempts one after the other. So it was almost certainly one man who knew there was no phone reception in the area, and was using each of their phones in turn. Or, or him untying the hands standing over each girl in turn as they tried to made the calls. What is strange is this entailed him already having formulated a long term plan to later leave the phones to be found. He then switched both phones off for 13 hours (inconceivable that Kremers and Froon would have made one failed-to-connect call each to the emergency number, then both given up and switched off). Next morning he switched the phones on, and again made--or more likely had the girls make--attempts to connect to the emergency number. There was only one call by Kremer's but repeated calls by Froon's phone,. On the third try by Froon's phone that morning, to his surprise and no doubt dismay, Froon's phone did connect to a network. There were no more attempt to call the emergency number with Froon's phone, and Froon's phone was left on all night, which ran the battery down. Next morning (3rd April), Kremers's phone made an attempt to call the emergency number that was the last one by either of the phones. Just think about that for a second; it had power and was having the correct pins entered for another 48 hours, yet there was no attempt to call the emergency or any other number by Kremers's phone*. I doubt that either girl was alive after midday of the 5th. That would explain why no PINS for Kremers's phone starting that afternoon. There was the photo on the 8th of Kremer's hair, but that could have been faked on her corpse. The activity without PINS on Kremer's phone until the 11th April was part of a charade being staged by the perpetrator. *Kremers's phone did not need PINs for an emergency call , nether did Froon's. No mystery.
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  115.  @MrMooremelody  Are you serious? The woman who saw them before they set off on the 1stwas stuck by how short their pants were and the skin of their their bare arms and legs, these girls could not have gone off of the trail without being scratched to bits and forced to retreat. Crossing monkey bridge requires putting you arm against steel cables and the bridges they are supposed to have fallen of are on trails. let stick with clothing. Both bras an Kremers's shorts were found. Panamanian authorities say Kremers after removing her denim shorts, so she would be falling in the river with no pants or bra,. Froom died without a bra too. . There is a photograph of the back of Kremers's head in the early hours a full ; week after she went missing in which she is holding her head upright or her corpse is being made being held to look that way This photo was taken by a criminal or Froom. If it was taken by Froom she would have no motive to make Kremers look alive and holding her own head up, and how could Froom do that anyway while she she was busy taking the photograph? Moreover, if it was Froon taking the photo, her hands were remarkable steady. Amway, both were both were alive and well and capable of screaming for help days into a very intensive search of a the area by people who knew it well. If Froom and Kremers didn't answer the calls of Panamanian search & rescues teams and Special Forces soldiers combing though even the most remote and impenetrable parts of the area it could only be because someone was holding them captive and prevented from call. Women lost in the jungle do not strip off to cross a bridge. Their underwear was never found. I strongly object to your offensive imprecations against Lisanne and Kris. You are suggesting they were beyond incredibly stupid AFTER the situation became deadly dangerous. And they could not save themselves in a week. But go ahead and insult them all you want. I can imagine what they would make of your character and intelligence.
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  131. ​ @CreamIceMs  Well I am sure they were where they were unable to be heard but why? What you suggest as resolving an anomaly is reasonable, yet in this case there are myriads; when each factoid is examined individually one can see no overall pattern of a malevolent intelligence at work and the fact that these were two striking young women seems irrelevant , yet the evidence must be assessed in its totality rather than arbitrarily hinging on one point. When one proceeds in such a manner the marginal unlikelihoods accumulate into an Everest. Incidentally, It is not jungle, because you cannot keep cattle in a jungle and there are trails, work shacks and scattered dwellings for the herders (including a shack the book co authored by the Panamanian investigating magistrate in the case says the girls spent time in), you cannot keep cows in a jungle. Volunteer and then paramilitary emergency search parties were in that area yelling for days while the phones were being switched on and offin the latter part of a period of a full eleven days. And the those searching were professional guides so experts, and Panamanians trained in how to look for lost people in real jungle like the Darien Gap national park. I think it reasonable to assume their local knowledge, training, and experience enabled them to understand how far sound would travel and to go close enough to rivers to be within earshot. Except in a thunderstorm; now the night photo of a full week after they disappeared and that shows Kris's hair was taken in the early hours during a thunderstorm. Why do you think that photo, the only evidence of either KK and LF during the 11 days, was taken when no one was going to be out and about; it feels clandestine, eh?
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  208. Denizens of area around the trailhead urged the girls to not go further by themselves; because of them being two rather naïve pretty foreign females who might be targeted when isolated from help. It was that and not because of concern about them being unable to cope with the terrain, as while the trail is through jungle and fairly challenging, it is intended for people of much older ages that these young women and less fit than they to walk for fun,; there is a definite path with a clear end at the summit, which they reached and took selfies at. A few hours later both of their phones called the emergency number. But then their phones WERE TURNED OFF AND LEFT OFF FOR 14 HOURS. That is clear cut evidence of someone else having control of their phones within hours of them reaching the summit. Next day a couple of French tourists were told by local people it was not advisable to go on the trail because screams had been heard in the jungle the night before. Nary a hint anywhere of this case being death by misadventure. Beginning with their phones being turned off for the best part of a day after an single emergency call each, and ending with the obviously deliberate scattering over a improbably large area of manipulated remains (one bone from each girl found on the SAME sandbar, virtually the whole skeletons fragmented by no known natural process, no trace of either head, a shoe floating upriver and a backpack appearing several weeks later in pristine condition without a trace of ever being in river or humid jungle) amounts to conclusive circumstantial proof of a vile double homicide for reasons better left unmentioned. Grande has made himself ridiculous in the eyes of all people with a modicum of common sense.
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  227. They started at 10.45 am and took 3 hours up to the peak, then kept going and went down the other side on a rougher continuation of the trail for an hour. It is known where the last daytime photo (Kremers on a boulder in a small stream) was taken and that it was taken at 2pm. They had been taking photos of all points of interest, but not far along from the location of picture 508 is a photogenic little waterfall, yet there is no photo of it. The lack of any more photos would be explained by them turning around to go back at 2pm. Such a decision would be very plausible because by that point the girls been already been walking for 4 hours, 3 of them uphill. Going back they they'd already have photos of everything on the route. The photos cannot lie, unlike the phone activity. Calls from their phones may have been by the perp, and made to deceive investigators, but as you say something bad was underway when both girls' cell phones tried to connect to the emergency number 2.5 hours after the 2pm photo. If they had not turned around and started back at 2pm and instead went on one hour it would mean they'd be accepting a five hour walk back. I just cannot see them choosing what, if they had eventually returned safe, would have amounted to a 10 hours walk (half of that up inclines). However, let us assume they wanted for some reason to keep on, and did not not turn around and go back, but instead kept walking in the same direction; no matter how hard they pressed on, they simply could not have reached the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine in 2.5 hours from where they were at 2pm. So, whatever the apparent attempted emergency number calls after 4.30 pm were for, and whoever was using the girls cellphones to make them, those calls had nothing to do with an accident crossing the river cable bridge. Moreover, and this is a very telling point I think, the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine is on the trail. So even if they went off the trail they must have got back on it to get to the cable bridge, and even if they were confused about what way they were going they knew they certainly must have know they had not crossed the cable bridge before and so to cross it was go further away from Boquete as it was getting dark. They had researched the trail on the internet before going so knew crossing the cable bridge would not be a quicker route to civilization than than turning around and going back down the trail. Crossing the cable bridge was going into part of trail they had never been on in order to hike though the night. The emergency calls, whoever made them, time the fateful events as being underway by 4.30pm . Yet no more calls were made for another 14 hours and the phones were switched off during that time.
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  243. Sun bleaching is irregular because of shade and angles ; Kris Kremers's pelvis had been soaked in lye to the extent the marrow was denatured, and it was uniformly greenish not blanched from UV light with mottling. Kris and Lisanne went on the hike on the 1 April 2014, they unsuccessfully called an emergency number before 5pm that day. Get it into your noggin that this trail has nowhere they could have got lost or fallen into a ravine reachable by 5pm, and by then they'd have been hours into retracing their steps for an 8 hour hike. One one of their phones was switched on the 11th April 2014, and switched off with 22% power remaining. So by the accident hypothesis at least one of the girls was alive in the forest for ten days. The initial couple of days search could have missed them as it was not thorough, but starting on the 6th, a huge police and rescue team with knowledge of the area search began to comb ALL the forest where they were later supposed to have been by the accident conjecturers. So for five days a sweep though the lightly wooded areas (which would include the river banks by locals helping police and with a substantial reward by the standards of the country) missed her, and she didn't hear the helicopters didn't scream which would carry a long way (young women can scream very loud). Then for five days at least one of them was alive and managed to avoid a dragnet search of even the deepest forest. Sorry to use the word 'avoid' but I think you have to remember these girls were not fugitives. The bones had not been pecked bitten or otherwise marked by animals, or abraded as in a river bed. A piece of Kremers's pelvis and a part of of Froon's ribs were found together beside a river but even it they died together upstream in a fall into the river, the odds are long of these pieces washing up on the same sandbank. A section of Froon's skin found 72 days later was rolled into a ball and seemed not to have even begun to decompose. These remains were found in the area around the hamlet of Alto Romero. The rucksack was very close to Alto Romero indeed and very few people think it showed signs of being having got there by floating on the river. Kremers's shorts were only a few kilometers away. It's abundantly clear, to me at least, that Alto Romero has at least one very calculating psychopath living in it. He thinks he is so clever with his fake emergency calls and leaving the phone to be found and pulverizing the bodies to blame it on the river. But really, he made a bad mistake not just disappearing everything, because all the improbabilities add up to a cast iron case for the deaths of Kremers and Froom being no accident. In a small community like Alto Romero, person(s) of that character would have acquired a bad reputation. I dare say sooner or later t his neighbours or his criminal associates will get tired of having him around to commit another crime get caught, so they'll deal with him in their own fashion. Kris and Lisanne, may you rest in peace.
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  296. Dr Grande says an unknown person of interest is unlikely to be so "irregular" as to leave evidence consistent with foul play where it is bound to be found, and so there was no guilty intentionality at work. However, the trajectory of events established by the contents of the backpack was that the girls had gone down the rough and isolated part of the trail on the other side of the peak. That was a watershed in the investigation because it had not been thought likely, and having become known it moved the focus of inquiries much further away from the very many people living on the Boquete side of the the trail up to the summit that divides the two trails. Where the backpack was found is just outside the search area several kilometers down river from a dangerous monkey bridge on the trail that the girls could have reached and fallen into the river from had they gone on (another four hours!) . The remains of the girls were strewn around a bank of the aforementioned river near an Indian village. Dr Grande's conclusion is valid in relation to the Indians; yes, but though the possessions and remains finds made foul play more likely in in the minds of some observers, it did not in Panamanian officialdom's, who were the ones most important for the perpetrator to convince. In any case, it had the effect of moving the inquiries and search further away from those residing along the trail on the Boquete side. Most of the people who knew the girls were on the trail were those saw them as they walked past back yards on the initial three hour hike from the entrance to the trail up to the summit. In the Central Park Five case it emerged that, far from just being unlucky in running into a gang as originally assumed, the jogger-who was unusually attractive- had been spotted in a crowded part of the park and followed to an isolated area. The same thing happening with the striking Kremers is plausible. What probably happened was the girls turned around to come back after the photo at the little stream( they'd been walking for four hours) and quickly ran into the person(s) following them. One point that Dr Grande might consider is that if faked by a perpetrator the cellphone activity from the 1st April to 11th of April was begun almost immediately and continued with in the expectation that the phone would be kept for some time then left to be found and support an accidental interpretation. To me that would have been very quick thinking , or the result of a pre-existing plan. The night photos of the 8th April also indicate someone putting on record in a camera intended to be later left to be found, a narrative of girls lost in the wilderness and badly injured. Yet knowing to make it work he'd be keeping the camera and cell phone for another two months despite them being extremely incriminating; it would take a very confident methodical man. One could say it did not work, but this fellow if he exists is a Panamanian who knows all he has to worry about is the Panamanian authorities. And he used the contents of the backpack to gave them an illustrated timestamped narrative that satisfied them of not one but two foreign girls losing their way, having serious accidents, and fiddling with their cellphone in a relatively small area for 11 days without being seen or heard by a search and rescues team with abundant local knowledge that was combing every inch of it. This is quite a scenario to make people accept, yet he has done it. If such a culprit/screenwriter exists, who is he? My best guess would be someone who lives on a farm along the Boquete side of the trail, not over the summit. Maybe with his brothers.
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  331. Strangely. one girl's family thought it was an accident, and some Dutch journalists too. Living in a very well ordered and high trust society like the Netherlands is no preparation for understanding the the realities of Panama. A few years ago a German woman got lost in Panama and was found and ABDUCTED by members of the search and rescue team and assaulted for days until she escaped . In 2009 a twentysomething male British backpacker disappeared in the same Panamanian town the girls were staying in. Moreover, people have been robbed on the trail, but the Panamanians keep all that very quiet and I strongly suspect the girls didn't know enough to understand how much of a chance they were taking. The were warned but didn't comprehend the danger being alluded to was criminal violence. In my opinion, Grande was inappropriately snippy about the girls, as if he thinks Panama is the victim here. Quite the opposite, I have read a bit more; the standard tourist trail up to the summit is has residences backing onto it. It is possible to accidently keep going after the summit and be on a trail that you would walk for days before reaching a town, However the girls knew exactly where they were because they turned and photographed the town several kilometers away below them from the summit before continuing on down the other side on a trail that is NOT jungle but at most forest because there are people living in the area and they drive their cattle (you cannot keep cattle in a jungle) along the trails. They had been told they had to turn and come back from the summit but kept going probably because it was a sunny day and exceptionally easy going being very dry they went on for a couple of hours and reached a stream that has been identified from photos. In In the rainy season it is exhausting country with lots of mud but when they the girls were on it the going was underfoot was easy and the rivers were not in spate. The cable bridge was not necessary to cross the river, it could be forded. The reward offered is a king's ransom in Panama and they were supposed to be alive making calls for 11 days in this inhabited area with no one seeing or hearing them calling for help. A huge search by people that know the area well and have found lost backpackers there before overlapped with the calls from the girls phones. The calls were at a certain time each day and once when connected the connection was immediately broken, When the search got mote intense up ten weeks later and began , pulverized body parts and pristine belongings started appearing. The backpack was found close to an indigenous peoples village. Both girls' bras were inside. As for the bones and fragments of bones that supposedly floated down the Serpent river and ended up on one small sandbank, those were clearly never in the water: bones don't float.
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  353. Anything along the lines of a your proposed explanation of an accidental or at least no foul play death is plausible for one person because some individuals are troubled or easily confused. At first blush, two dying together that way over eleven days in a sparsely populated but inhabited area with herders by day, and their phones (sans last messages) and fragments of a few of their bones being found all in the same five mile stretch of forest is barely credible for young fit women with a thirst for life. It is certainly possible, but on first principles I would say misadventure is far from the least unlikely way they met their deaths. There was one attempted emergency call from each phone at just before 5pm on the day of the hike, then there was a 14 hour gap between the original attempted emergency call, one from from each phone, and the next phone activity, which was one failed emergency call from each phone the following morning. Crucially, the phones were both switched off one hour after the first emergency call attempt (one from each phone twelve minutes apart). Are we supposed to believe that after the failed emergency call neither made any immediate retry and instead decided to be early to bed in a strange jungle, and so in order to get a good nights sleep (and not be bothered by people calling them?) switched their phones off and left them off for a whole 13 hours? The photos on the 8th were taken in the dead of night during a rainstorm. It stinks of clandestine activity being done when no one was up and about in the area to observe the movements. There had been no activity on any phone since the 6th and there was none until the 11th, so a 48 hour gap either side of the night photos. Nary an attempted call after the third day, so 5 days before the night photos the attempted call had completely stopped, but and one phone was switched on the 11th (after the aforementioned four day gap when both were switched off. To think the devices were in the hands of lost girls, one would have to believe the girls were behaving like fugitives for some reason. Why did the local expert they hired, who earned his living because tourists paid him to be on their hikes, not give KK and LS a warning not to go on one alone especially that one w, which he is the great expert on The girls could hardly have got cautioned to not go down the Serpent trail alone because they had hired him for accompanying them on the trip the next day. The found out they were at a loose end that moring and Eileen in the snapchat exchange of messages that morning asked if he was available,; she was not given (to pass on) such a don't go a hike without me warning for KK and LS, although that morning our friend knew they were probably going a hike alone, and he had told them about the Serpent trail at least indirectly while offering them through Eileen a stay at his lodge down it. It is a fact that he told journalists he had met Kris and Lisanne at the school and in town. Later he denied he ever had met them. That is very reminiscent of Van Der Sloot and his mutually inconsistent accounts. Were Kris and Lisanne foolhardy? Yes a bit, they met some rough nut guys and may even have been swimming topless with them on the 30th. Though their trusted professional had inexplicably omitted to say don't, going down an isolated trail (he had told them about) was contrary to common sense and the natural fearfulness that young women have for good reason. For reasons of state, Panama preferred the obvious killer should escape justice thinking it would soon be forgotten. Nope.
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  366.  @Fraukie_H  Normal killers get caught, these ones (or their families who were drawn into it after the fact) were crafty enough to prepare a cover story story with the calls just in case, but the calls were at exactly the same time each day and had wrong pins. They girls were already dead, that is why the photos stop showing them. The evidence of the remains, pulverising of bone and skin rolled into a ball is the work of someone not something. Also the perfect condition rucksack that had not been in the river and was found just after a very close search had began with help from the Dutch and special dogs. The bras are inside and shorts are miles away, but the underpants' were not found at all. My bet is impulsive young men committing an outrage and then asking for help, and the authorites not wanting to admit tourists are at risk in their town. I think the people who were accessories after the fact and the actual perps were not sure what to do; maybe the plan was to store the rucksack with the phones an plant it in in a better way, but the search somehow alarmed the conspiracy and to have incriminating evidence stored became too dangerous so it was clumsily dumped. Quite possibly whoever had the stuff was not a perp but merely an accessory after the fact. Or maybe the remains being found immediately was necessary to stop a search that was making them nervous. The timing suggests the evidence was left to close the matter as accidental death and halt the investigation. But that was a mistake on the perps' part because they made some mistakes and anyone who looks at it in a hardheaded way definitely know this was a double homicide. mot any kind of misadventure. They didn't willingly leave the trail, because it ends at the so called "bridge" and there are warning signs it is inadvisable to proceed unless equipped for the jungle. Furthermore, a Dutchman with mountaineering experience said the cable tightrope (one rope is all there is for your feet) "bridge" with a 70 foot drop was frightening to him, and the girls would never have been on it in the first place to fall off (what the Panamanians say happened). There were multiple townspeople involved in setting them up and others drawn into the cover up I expect and one day it will come back to haunt them. The taxi driver who drove them to the begining of the trail has since drowned supposedly after having a heart attack, he was in his early thirties.
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  368. I suspect it was standard depravity and cunning. There is a photo of the girls at the summit where the tourist orientated trail ends at 1pm, and beyond that is a barely there trail through obviously dangerous and slow to cross terrain: super scary slippery precipitous and with animal skulls displayed on branches. Adventurous young European men have said a few hundred yards into that rudimentary trail (having ignored the signs telling walkers not to proceed any farther) they became alarmed and turned back. One of the girls had asthma and they'd hardly have been planning on moving at night so had to start back it was a 6 hour round trip and at real altitude. They'd never have gone on past the warnings let alone used the cable tightrope to cross the river they were hypothesized to have fallen into. These were not hard core trekkers, but a couple of nice young girls wearing a minimum of clothing who wanted to work with children and had a day to spend. Dutch TV went to the area and the locals who know the trail best insisted that the last photos of the girls show them coming back down the trail, which is what one would expect. Fascinatingly, someone whose been there mentioned the tourist trail has shacks visible from it it every few hundred yards along.. What probably happened is they were dragged of the track and abducted by backwoods degenerates when they were coming back down. Maybe after they were seen, possibly harassed, going up. Their phones were turned off for 14 hours from that day. There were screams heard in the jungle that night because the next day a French couple was told this by a friendly local who dissuaded them from going in the jungle for that reason. The locals around the begining of the trail had tried to stop the girls going on even the tourist orientated trail by themselves. The backpack was found soon after what for Panama was huge money rewards were being offered.
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  371. The trouble with liberalism in international affairs is its not about societies overagainst one another and resorting to hard power; liberalism is about an individual's legally enforceable claims (rights) within a cooperating society. The US led because they paid the piper. American taxpayers were footing the bill for generations in Europe and it's now beyond what is feasible. Gangsters hide behind the presumption of innocence, operate against their fellow citizens abiding by the law, deny their acts, lead bullies out for themselves, and believe in nothing beyond themselves. Putin leads a powerful nation state with a monopoly of force in its territory that asserts itself openly and has men willing to die for it. Ditto Trump. In regards to his personal position, Putin was better off in ever way not invading Ukraine; he genuinely believes Ukraine getting closer to the West is a threat to Russia. For decades Britain has been taking from the defence budget to pay for social spending without raising taxes. Where does the money for endless support for Ukraine (have a long wait for Russia to collapse) come from? Europe is an economic dead zone. No country in the world is completely independent. West did our best for Ukraine but we have welfare state. Europe needs to start worrying worry about getting economic growth to match China and the US's. The US can't pay for the West's defence against an alliance of Russia and China. You add that billion people to Russia's resources and it's Goodnight Vienna. The US's alliance relationship turned into one of dependency. Trump was sent back to the White House, he is giving the Nato countries some realty therapy. As for Ukraine, it never received a guarantee of military aid, still less open ended military aid and imperceptible direct intel and targeting help that progressively pushed Russia closer to China. They are also ungrateful: Ukraine is hitting Russia's oil infrastructure and pushing up the global price of energy, which drives inflation. Russia and China may be each be weakening what taken in isolation but they are coalescing into an alliance, one in which they complement the others strengths. America has dependent 'allies' who place emphasis on their ethereal soft power contribution because they simply lack the economies to contribute anything else. Anything real.
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  391. IF the girls were not abducted on the 1st April, but simply become lost, the photographs taken in the early hours of the 8th of April must have been taken by Froon, who would have no reason to fake Kremers being alive. Therefore, in the non abduction scenario, both Froon and Kremers must have been alive on the 8th. Yet there was no attempt to call the emergency number on their phones after the 3rd. FIVE DAYS BOTH OF THEM ALIVE AND NOT CALLING THE EMERGENCY NUMBER. For the lost theory to be true either Krmers or Froon must have been alive on the 11th. Yet even the most heavily forested places they possibly might have been were went into and searched closely by the local rescue team with a great deal of local knowledge assisted by Panamanian Special Forces (trained by the US green berets) begining on the 6th. The search teams were yelling and all the girls had to do is scream back and they would have both been found in those 48hours because they were both alive as late as the 8th according to the 'lost theory',. At night there were lights. The 'they got lost ' school of thought need to remember that in their preferred scenario these young women (not deaf mutes) WANTED to be found. At least one of them was still alive on the 11th according to the phone data which the 'losters' must accept. Yet she was not found, did not hear the shouts or seen or the lights. We have to bear in mind this person was certainly not hiding from the search in the losters' scenarios, so none of their conjectures actually 'fly' as a real world event. As for the backpack being found with money and constituting evidence that a killer would not have left, the phone data prov if there was a killer was preparing a 'lost' narrative from the first day with fake calls to emergency services. So in an abduction scenario, a perpetrator had from the morning of the day after they were kidnapped (at the latest) formulated a plan to kill them both and get away with it by creating an confirmation of the 'lost scenario on the phones, and much later leaving them to be found. Someone who could think up such a scheme would understand leaving the money in the backpack would be a good idea. Before the backpack or any other trace of the girls was found, the Panamanian government though its attorney general had announced that Froon and Kremers's bodies had been in a river and swept out to sea. Whoever abducted them had intended from the very begining to eventually leave the phones to be found. Once Panamanian law ruled the double disappearance involved no crime, the perpetrators thought they were safe. Moreover, there had been a new and very high reward of $30,000 offered and the leaving the backpack must have seemed a low risk way of claiming it. Especially if it could be planted downstream from the monkey bridge over the Serpent river. The person who found the backpack is am Indian woman but has connections to one of the main suspects, who lives nearby on a farm. Moreover, it was none other than this same this 'person of interest' male who discovered some of the subsequent remains of Kremers and Froon, which were found after there was there was a refusal to pay any of the reward for finding the backpack. This happened ten weeks after Froom and Kremers went missing, and by that time everywhere along the trail and out in every direction from it had been searched very thoroughly; it was hardly possible to put the backpack there and say these things had been missed. Moreover it would have been risky to move in that area with incriminating items while there was to much search activity and people wanting to claim the reward being alert to anything suspicious, especially from our person of interest who was associated with the case in the media, The search had began to verge on but had not yet taken in the person of interest's home area, which happened to be downriver from the cable bridge over the ravine ; so it was was not exculpatory for the backpack and remains to be found near his farm at all. He didn't have much choice but to leave the backpack virtually on the dorstep of hais farm if he wanted to plant it downstream from the monkey bridge in an area he felt secure moving around in and where he has connections which could be used as proxies to claim the reward. The fake emergency calls deception and leaving the phones for a post hoc record of the girls getting getting lost and attempting to contact emergency services was quite a ingenious stratagem. Almost too clever, unless the person had some occupational link in his everyday life to the possibility of tourists getting lost that bought such an ploy to victimize tourists and pass it of as a them perishing in a accident to his mind readily. The emergency calls ploy (and the initial abduction) also required him having confidence in his knowledge of where on the trail the phones of tourists would not connect. Kremers and Froon lost the ability to make calls at 1.39pm, and the last photo was 2.15pm. Pretty precise. Our person of interest guides tourist along this trail. He has also began denying that he ever met Kremers and Froon, though that contradicts his earlier account.
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  473.  @Peanut_taco_muffin  Panamanian pathologists' reported Lisanne had shin splints, so she covered a lot of miles (although it could have been in circles or out and back in a different direction each time (like spokes from a wagon wheel hub) returing to where Kris lay injured because Lisanne did not want to leave her except for a limited amounts of time . Being fit for walking means Lisanne's voice was strong. I think a lost scenario works if we assume Lisanne was not using her physical capabilities properly. Kris being over confident and becoming debilitated in a fall then and Lisanne getting neurotic under the stress and not going for help in a determined way can work as a realistic scenario for me. Alto Romero being under ten miles from Boquete and having scores of people living, working and travelling between it and the overlook each day is troublung because it makes Lisanne's actions seem farcical, if not tantamount to suicide. Dr Grande does not canvass such a possibility and he has some experience in these matters; he say this seems to have been an accident, but with the important caveat that there is no really satisfactory explanation. Its not Seven Degrees of Kevin Bacon type links I am talking about no one denies the guide was hired by them on the morning of the hike and he then he found scattered pieces of what was left of them after they went some way down the trail to his ranch. Small world! If he had told them to on no account go hiking without a guide none of this would happened. But he clearly did not because a couple of hours later they did just that and on a trail he may well have discussed with them. By his own account he went as far as the entrance to the paddocks on the 3rd looking for them; that was on the correct trail out of many possible ones. Lucky guess would be a possible explanation. but when asked by the police why he had said publicly the girls had went hiking behind the Pianista he said Eileen had told him; she said this was not true and she hadn't known it anyway. Now is such a deliberate untruth about how he seemed to know so much about where the two missing girls had gone several weeks before the backpack was found and the camera revealed it was the Serpent trail, really not suspicious? He was listed as a suspect in the police file you know. There were people who said Van Der Sloot was innocent of the killing of Natalee Holloway, (and some still do), but that case showed circumstantial evidence can be the best evidence of all.
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  503. Well, no. Girls who were strangers to such conditions getting disorientated and making foolish decisions is very plausible, and so is stumbling around exhausted and in low light conditions falling off a cliff into a ravine with a river at the bottom of it. Kris and Lisanne were less worldly-wise than most twenty year old women, which is really saying something. I agree one of the girls being alive and not being found for day after day while locals were wandering along the paths able to hear screams and search teams were combing the area that is only tens of kilometers across is far from credible. Itmeans the girls were not simply lost. There was in Panamanian terms a huge reward for them. However, the culprits overthought it with the fake calls leaving the backpack and remains so likely are not too bright. The mechanically pulverized condition of the defleshed, although not abraded as they would be by a river bed, bones seems conclusive, especially when taken with the fact that bone does not float. The perpetrators are local yokels, and I am sure I know where they are from. As for blaming the girls, it is not entirely unfair because the girls had been told by the woman of the family they were living with that on reaching the summit they must come back the way they came. Panamanians living around the begining of the trail tried to dissuade the girls from going by themselves on even the touristy part to the summit that borders on properties. I think the way the striking Kremers was dressed worried them. The problem was the girls did not get explicitly told the reason for concerns was they might be assaulted by criminal men. It was an exceptionally good day and dry underfoot, one was artistic and wanted photographs of wilder places and the other was quite athletic, so the combination of their personalities and the favourable conditions led to them not only venturing over the summit on to the rougher path, but going much further down it than anyone would have predicted, or the average couple of European girls might have though wise. Relevant to the idea of them twisting their ankle is they both had excellent boots on. They went for two hours to the little stream where the last photos' were taken. Given that they had then been walking for four hours from the trailhead and would have the same time to get back there by 7 pm at the earliest, the most obvious reason for no more photos is because they turned to go back and were retracing their steps over where they already had taken photos at. An hour later both their phones called the emergency number within ten minutes and those were the last calls made on their phones that were was actually by them I suspect. The most likely scenario for them being alarmed enough to call as an emergency yet having over ten minutes to do so is they passed someone on the trail who then altered direction and began stalking them. There is a photo of Kremer a week afterwards ( 8 April) Yet they cannot possibly have been alive then because they could shout for help and be heard, unless they were being held prisoner. One of the girls' phone was being used on the 11th. I have never thought there was the slightest mystery about it; the perpetrators being most likely men from Alto Romero where the backpack was left very close to the village indeed, and Kremers shorts later appeared only a few kilometer away. The body parts were almost entirely beween the two locations. and close to Alto Romero No one not from the area could make repeated trips there. Also it shows a lack of sophistication about the fuss and forensic examination that that guide would likely not be stupid enough for. I don't think he had anything to do with it. When Dutch TV wentto Alto Romero it was apparent the residents were trying to confuse the issue so I'll bet the people there have a good idea who did it. The Panamanians' motives in covering it (and several similar incidents) up is all too clear. Why people are still choosing to go there of all places for a carefree holiday is an enigma to me though.
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  504. "Possible" simply means it would not have violated the laws of physics. For what actually happened the most likely scenario ought to be concentrated on. Arnold Donaldson is very good on this first principle being neglected by 'losters'. Jaime Costa, who knows the area and walked the trail has pointed out that the trail has too many people on it for an abduction to be likely. I now think Lissane and Kris being duped into leaving the trail on the pretext of being led to a photogenic waterfall is more plausible. No one was given an interrogation appropriate to it being identified as a double murder case, for the simple reason that this the Panamanian authorities could call it what ever they wanted, and they did not want it to be a murder. Many in Boquete were somewhat resentful about a level of resources being given to looking for disappeared women tourist froms the Netherlandsm which was far beyond what would have been used for a couple of equivalent age women from Boquete. But on the other hand extra judicial retribution would be more likely for Panamanian women; our person of interest wouldn't dare continue hanging around in the town if two Panamanian families there suspected him of being responsible for killing their daughters. I don't think 'suspect' is a strong enough term for him actually; the finds of possessions and remains seem highly suggestive of him, especially that two days after Froon's boot was found it was F who found Kremers's boot. No one talks about Kremers's boot though (apart to note that she died without shorts, boots or a bra on),
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  524. Ukraine may have missed that a federalised Donbass though the Steimeier modification of Minsk would have been no real concession to Russia because the European members of Nato veto would have prevented it so the unrealism was one both sides from the begining. The Russians can destroy the Ukrainians' weapons and the West will replace them with better ones. Ukraine's fighting manpower is the thing the Russians would be better concentrating on attriting, and they seem to be doing that. Despite the fanfaronaded reiteration of Ukraine (and Georgia) joining Nato being made every year since 2008 by Nato, Ukraine joining Nato was a dead letter after the invasion of Georgia, so Russia's fears were not very rational. Yet that does not mean they were not genuine. While Zelensky was in Paris in 2019 negotiating for peace through a modified Minsk agreement that would have obviated any need for Russia to stay in a special autonomous status Donbass (because Donbass although a part of Ukraine could have constitutionally prevented it joining Nato). it was made clear to him if he signed then he would be overthrown by 2014 style mass demos. Currently, Zelensky would not be able to agree to any settlement that did not entail the return of Crimea (dubious the majority in Crimea want this), which many in the West are encouraging Ukraine to insist on as a rock bottom demand; it does not seem to me at least merely an initial negotiating position. I think there is an unspoken agreement in the West to not say anything that can be interpreted as encouraging to Russia. Nevertheless, General Milley said Russia and Ukraine have taken 100,000 casualties each. Ukrainians between 16 and 60 who have been forbidden from leaving the country constitute a reserve army of manpower and yet is Russia substantially different apart from having three times the population. Men not machinery are the best target for Russia, and overall commander Surovikin seems to approve or he would have terminated the Bakhmut operation which the Wagner boss says is an attrition one. Now if the West actual gives Ukraine troops, Russia can forget about even emerging with a draw, but it seems most unlikely those things will happen.
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  534.  @FB-cx4sp The Dr is good on psychology, I was expecting that kind of analysis. One would think as a man Grande must have an understanding of the relevance of these being peak physical condition female humans, not old and unhealthy, and therefor giving men certain ideas. Kris was particularly striking, with unusual coloring and dressed in a way that drew attention to her figure, like would be appropriate for getting attention at a holiday resort let alone an isolated forest. She was said to be artistic and out going. That said, you can disappear going to the beach in Panama as American Catherine Johannet did in 2019. Possessions, pulverized bone and rolled up pieces of skin were scattered in various direction in the area around the village of Alto Romero. The backpack was found beside a rice field quite close to that village just as the searching was reaching a crescendo and moving towards the village. If I was forced to say who I think it was likely someone from Alto Romero or a farm around there that did it. On the other hand, someone was quite cunning with the fake emergency calls (though all were made during at times suggesting a midday break from work), but the 14 hours of both phones being switched off immediately after the first and probably genuine emergency calls suggest to me that the cover up calls-entailing long term planning- maybe were after both were dead, devised by someone different to whoever committed such an impulsive crime,--possibly a father or older brother of the perp(s). My bet would be they were targets of opportunity having passed a local(s)who realised they were totally isolated and abducted them off the trail. Possibly they were not alive for more than hours, although they could have been most easily moved (at night to avoid witnesses) to a nearby farm where the chemicals and machinery to dispose of the corpses that was clearly used would be present. I think that farm may be very close indeed to the little stream where their last photo was taken
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  606. There is no insurmountable political problem in mobilizing more troops by the Kremlin, and they could but it would get them nowhere. The real reason they haven't is they know it would bring a nullifying reaction from Washington. The Kremlin understands what is going on: it cannot start winning without Ukraine being given additional help to restore a stalemate. Hence the repeated announcement that giving Ukraine ATACMS is being considered every time Russia enjoys the slightest success. Ukraine is going all out, but Washington is not and neither is Moscow. Whereas Vietnam was lost by virtue of the lack of propinquity, and the corollary of an option to withdraw and not have the VC on the US border, the Russians cannot withdraw from the occupied territory an ocean between them and Ukraine. The Russian population would fear that. Actually, your average Russian is choosing to ignore the case for Ukraine being no threat is left alone and has identified Ukraine as an state that is backed by the West and part of an enemy assemblage that cannot be trusted. And RusFed may be an autocracy like the Soviet Union but unlike the USSR Russia is basically a nation state, and can benefit from ethically based patriotic feeling just as much as Ukraine can. Making Russians cease to believe in their country without burning out the they morale of Ukrainians will be a challenge for Ukraine. Both sides are going to be relying on front line soldiers who are aware they are replacements for more committed volunteers who got KIA. The norm of soldiers' patriotic motivations and willingness to invite death has surely altered for both sides. I don't think being a democracy makes much difference to things after 19 months, because the Ukrainian in uniform is no more free to swap it for his bed at home than a Russian soldier is. They are under a military discipline which is essentially the same in both armies. For example, conscientious objectors are being arrested and jailed in Ukraine.
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  611. Can't have it both ways; if Russia has as good as lost, then it is presented with either coming to terms and withdrawing/ fighting on to the bitter end of what would be the worst humiliation since the Ethiopians beat the colonial army of Italy, or issue a clear warning of battlefield nukes being detonated on the advancing Ukrainian armym and if Ukraine continues regardles, making good on the threat. Putin won't take his vague rhetoric so far being scoffed as bluff to be a dare, but the war has not got beyond the point of no hope fore him yet. If as seems likely he realises in before too long that he is in hopeless military quandary, then what we know of Putin suggests that for him the thermonuclear option (an open explicit threat then use when the redline is crossed) is the least bad one, inasmuch it is a way to end the war and keep what Russia currently has in status. It certainly would end the war because you cannot fight conventionally against even very small H bombs, and no one is going to get into a thermonuclear conflict because Putin balks at giving Ukraine only a qualified victory. China does not want to alienate the US, but China can't allow Russia to lose and be humiliated, because China is going to need Russia as a friend to deal with the US in future. So no. China will not isolate Russia. In a nutshell, Russia is not necessitated to decide against playing the nuclear non empty threat card at all by what China or anyone else's reaction might be . It depends on the Russian mindset. Do they think they are a third rate country?; because that is what being defeated without daring to use their enormously expensive nuclear weapons against the conventionally armed medium sized country of Ukraine would amount to for Russia. To be clear Russia will not be able to get Ukraine to surrender the currently unoccupied by Russia; no, the most that would happen I think is Ukraine has to be satisfied with it being a somewhat smaller county
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  651. Anders seems to be saying either Ukraine is free to become a member/ de jure member of Nato (with aspiration to regain occupied territories Russia says are its) and member of the EU, whereby Ukraine as poorest country in the EU necessarily gets massive transfers of funds (for economic convergence), or it becomes a Russian puppet. No middle ground, or room for compromise. Where is all the money to build a new strong Ukrainian army and rebuild Ukraine AND bring it up to EU economic convergence level? Not from America, Trump has said the US ain't paying for s**t. Poland lost a lit of its territory and had a vast number of its people die in WW2, but it has experienced a resurgence. Ukraine will too, in time. Virtually no person, no country is completely free in the absolutely inviolable way Anders is holding up as the minimal acceptable level of independent sovereign democracy that Ukraine must be raised to ASAP by the West once the fighting stops. None of this is anyone's fault because no person is responsible for being born to the parents they are or for living in the circumstances of their life and times. Like people, some countries come into being more favourably ensconced than others. Ukraine is next to a large paranoid military autocracy and parts of Ukraine are heavily larded with Russians. Ukraine might still move to relatively quickly to be a prosperous secure country in Nato and the EU of course. But that would take an enormous transfer of wealth from Western taxpayers (including from the population of countries like Poland that are accustomed to being net recipients of EU funds).
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  665. The presence of voracious insects cannot explain why they took their bras off, indeed it is a powerful reason to think they did not do so voluntarily. If it was an accidental death documented by the night photo of an injured Kris's head, which the guide was the first one to say was taken under the cable bridge, the body would be in the river for most of the ten weeks, and only ended up on land when the levels receded, so no insects for most of the time. It's surprisingly cold at elevation, and there was some flesh on the bones from Froon's corpse along with a hardly decomposed piece of skin from her shin. So what probably happened is her body was in a jungle grave at high elevation, and the killer returned to dig it up enough to take a leg. Kremers's corpse was probably very heavily doused in caustic soda (her boot was bleached) and the pelvis fragment dipped in lye again before being left (it was lacking any trace of the the super tough ligament that connects to the backbone) It must be borne in mind that this is not a horror film about army ants (or piranhas) but a real world event in which two young sexually attractive women who ventured one hour down a remote trail, and 20 minutes after they left cellphone reception stopped taking photos, then got transformed into a few bones..Dr Grande has done video on men who who killed women and tried to make it look like an accident. I dare say there are ones who got away with it. While it must be accepted that things might have happened as you suggest in the case of the pelvis fragment, it would be a long shot. For there to have been no foul play a long series of long shots would have had to converge. That is what is called "overfitting" . Much more plausible than a prolix series of remarkable things just happening, is that Kris And Lisanne were victims of a double homicide. Everyone talks about the chemical state of Kris's pelvis, which was found while the guide was present, but much more telling are the parallels and extreme propinquity of the remains. To be specific, the backpack was found by an employee of the guide very close to one of his properties. Then the guide found the first remains, Froon's foot, in her boot nearby. Two days later he found Kremers's boot. The guide was there at the finding of Kremers's pelvis, which was not all that far from the backpack and Froon's foot/boot (despite the presumably different buoyancy characteristics of these items). Neither Kris or Lisanne's underwear or tops were found. but both of their shorts were. One boot each, both bras, and a few bone fragments from each. It stinks of a murderer having selected items easy to carry from where Lisanne and Kris were covertly interred, and planted those remains and belongings to show both girls slipped into a river ravine. That $30,000 reward was an additional motivation. Criminals tend to operate out in a rough V shape pattern begining from their home. The finds are consistent with that method of operation.
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  769.  @kevlarcardhouse252  You are misunderstanding the extent to which police are free to open a politically embarrassing new criminal investigation in Panama, and what the purpose of the backpack was when it was planted. F's intent with the backpack was to access the reward that had just increased to a life changing amount . The backpack was found by F's employee, almost on the doorstep of one of 'F's tourist lodges in Alto Romero. F then found the very first remains, behind a nearby tree. More finds by F and search parties led by F followed. '"He's the last guy to see them alive—and then he's the one who finds their bones,” says fellow guide Tornblom. “Something about that just feels wrong to me."' Let me give you a counterfactual. Coming under all this suspicion from people who know the area, why would F not have worried the next thing would be the rest of the bodies and the heads of Froon and Kremenr being found in a shallow grave at the bottom of his garden. An innocent man would have to suspect someone was deliberately implicating him by planting evidence and the trap was closing on him. Anyone in the position an innocent F would have been in by mid June could and surely would have protested his innocence and publicly said he was being framed. But he did not do that. Why? Forget about all the convoluted and competing inferences about favoured factoids. F's failure to be alarmed at the finds of the remains inexorably making him look guilty, and to react by protesting he was being railroaded, is that one clear index we need.
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  884.  @KD--sj8eo  Please read things thoroughly before commenting, and looking on Wikipedia might be an idea too. The Central Park Five were supposed to have run into the Jogger at random during their mugging rampage though the park. The Five were freed when Matias Reyes confessed he was acting alone when he saw the Jogger in a busy part of the park near the entrance; followed her to an isolated part of the park clubber her with a branch and dragged her off the path and into the trees. My point was the Central park Jogger was UNUSUALLY attractive so the odds were against perps 'hitting the jackpot' at random like that. Catherine Johannet the American woman who was murdered in 40 miles from Broquete in Panama in 2014, was also clubbed while walking a forest trail and them dragged off it. Kris Kremers was unusually attractive.While it IS possible she and Froom were not followed from the more inhabited Boquete side of the trail into the isolated over the peak/ continental divide section of the trail, and just ran onto some bad actor{s} when they went down the other side, I think the balance of probability is they were followed. Kremers was too striking for her being a random victim to be more probable than not. You cannot get off the narrow trail accidently or in order to avoid an attacker on the bit Kremers and Froom were on in the last photos, but a little way further on from the last photo is cow pasture where two victims would be much harder to control, so any stalker who knew the trail would have had to strike quite quickly. An important point is that Froon and Kremers were indisputably dressed for walking along a trail rather than leaving it and moving through undergrowth with bare arms and legs. It would have immediately been very uncomfortable for them and obvious they had to backtrack. So it they left the trail, yes, but it was surely against their will because they were abducted.
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  924. The ordinary Russian is being told that Russia is doing well in the war. Withdrawals would come as a tremendous shock to the Russian people and make them lose faith in the political leadership; there would be massive momentum for complete change in the Kremlin, were Russia to withdraw. Not merely because Putin has a totalitarian propaganda machine and compliant mass media, but because it is much easier for the Kremlin to portray the conflict as a war where the homeland is in danger from an assemblage of enemies, than eg the White House could during Vietnam when America was fighting on the other side of a ocean. The average Russian is not going to support Putin if he withdraws, and perhaps even more crucially, when he left his chosen successor would not survive due to being discredited by association, so before long so the whole system would be replaced. A withdrawal by Putin, or by any chosen successor if Putin dies or becomes too ill to discharge his duties, would be flushing his legacy down the toilet. He is better off fighting it out as best he can, and hope that Trump pulls off another upset and demands a ceasefire on the current lines. which is the absolute most that Trump could do for Russia. There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win:: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis. Trump has said he would tell Russia and Ukraine to both stop and use the threat of massively increased and massively decreased arms supplies to Ukraine as a wedge against the Kremlin and Kiev to end the war (presumably on the current lines), on much the same way Korea ended. However there is no indication that Putin is the sort of gambling man who might take such a risk. The Ukrainians will not stop fighting and demanding a complete withdrawal to cease fire and Biden has said he would not tell Ukraine to end the war before they are ready, so are we supposed to think it is in our own interests to open endedly finance a massive effort to give Ukraine an arms advantage great enough to not merely attrite but extirpate an entire Russian army? Because that s what it Gen Cross backhandedly admits it is going to take, Ukraine ought to be strongly supported to hold what it has; yes, but even if the entire West were to try to the utmost, getting the Russians to leave or pushing them out of easternmost Ukraine will be an extremely challenging objective given their propinquity. Conversely, if as they more west in Ukraine to Odessa etc Ukraine Russia's logistic and other military problems would increase by an order of magnitude. As for the Kremlin following up total victory in Ukraine (a very unlikely occurrence) by invadin Latvia; the Russian military re not going to demur if Putin ordered what would be for them a literally suicidal attack on NATO? With ll due respect, I think Gen Cross is overdramatizing the consequences of not going all in for an undetermined /indefinite indirect assist of Ukraine.
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  927. The dog hung out with the many tourists who walked the Pianista which is five miles long and you turn at the end and walk back down it Therefore the dog would would not have went past the end of Pianista and down the other trail which would be strange to it. The dog returning was only odd because no one thought the girls were going to keep going straight on after the Pianista trail ended and descend an hour down a trail that only Indian inhabitants and serious hikers take. It would not be credible that a natural accident could happen to them on the Pianista, and it is much too inhabited for a serious crime of violence. The Pianista is what the girls told people they were going on. So the lack of action when the dog came back by itself was understandable. The information they got about the trail beyond the Pianista was partly from the internet that morning before they set out, but we know that they day before they disappeared F talked to them about it when he unsuccessfully tried to get them them to take a guided tour with overnight stay to his coffee plantation outside Alto Romero. The rough trail was the way that F would have taken them to his plantation, although it was 14 hours hike further along than they got according to the last photo, and the time they's have had had to return to Boquite before nightfall. Ten weeks later their backpack and then and 6% of their skeletons (which were apparently pulverised and treated with lime, turned up in around Alto Romero, found by people associated with F and him himself. It is a terrible injustice that F and his employees were not given the $30,000 reward
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  949. ​ @steveblundell7766  Of deaths in excess of what would be predicted in the relevant time period it was only the half of the excess death that occurred when Lucy Letby was working the unit that were presented to the jury. The police investigation was of Lucy Letby from the begining and was initiated by four doctors after an official report had criticized them for bad practice and not preventing excess deaths in the unit. It was only then that they reported suspicions about her to the police. The police were investigating suspicion about HER not suspicious deaths in general. So they looked at deaths Letby was there for, but (and this is the crucial point) there was no effort to explain or estimate of how likely it was that an innocent nurse would have a death on her shift in that unit in that year, and how many an innocent nurse would be there for over a year on average, especially if she had the total number of hours Letby was there for. Nor was there any attempt to show the jury which doctors who were there for those deaths Letby was working during and the other half of the excess deaths. The other half of the excess deaths were not clearly distinguishable from the deaths Letby was convicted for, except that she was there. The chart showing she was there for those baby deaths and a number of collapses of babies was presented as if it was an unusual pattern, yet it has been demonstrated that the number of dead / collapsing babies on Letby's shift would on average be duplicated for any nurse who worked as many hours as she did, especially in the mornings when patients tend to die. She lived nearby and was called in at short notice for many shifts, which means the unit was short staffed and had been giving less attention to sick babies. Letby worked the maximum permitted number of extra hours for a full time nurse many weeks and some others did not even work full time. You have to control for these things to make a convincing statistical case, and the prosecution simply did not do that.
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  981. Of his successor Eden launching the Suez debacle (invading then withdrawing under pressure in the terminal folly of the Empire), Winston Churchill said : “I would never have dared; and if I had dared, I would certainly never have dared stop". After Suez Britain ceased to be thought of as an Independent Great Power, even by British establishment insiders. Putin surely understands he made a profound miscalculation in launching the SMO, but that barely touches the nasty reality that Russia's credibility as a country willing to go (not merely conventionally) to the final extremity is in grave peril if it accepts anything Ukraine can accept as a win for them. An occupant of the Kremlin who withdrew would have to face questions about the cost in blood and treasure already sunk into the war: 'was all the sacrifice of our boys for nothing?'. Ukraine's leadership has a clear motive to inveigle America and the rest of the West into less and less indirect conflict with Russia. From Ukraine's point of view the worse they are doing, all the better to pressure the Americans to help with deep penetration strikes against key installations; I speak of targeting , which is certainly something Ukraine needs America to provide the coordinates for. Maybe Kiev has the idea that eventually they can provoke Russia into doing something silly by using Western weapons and intel for deep strikes on highly sensitive targets. However, at the end of the day no one is going to attack Russia whatever it does to Ukraine. The weapons supply to Ukraine ought to continue in a measured way to make the conflict pyrrhic for Russia, but Ukraine should be disabused of the idea that escalation would be in their interests. No more strikes on the Russian early warning ICBM radars please.
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  1088. I am definitely going to buy Sabine's new book and enjoy her forays into questions of the day, however I think here she does not come to grips with what concepts are at issue. In my opinion the opening Disorders of Sexual Development arguments has little or nothing to do with the actual complaints which are of unfairness. One trans athlete Sabine mentions Lia Thomas and I agree with the objections to her being in an all woman competition, and not because she had external testes and a normal penis when winning a prestigious college swim meet with pool and meet record time, and only 1% of female athletes manage to get to that meeting. The Spanish lady who was a high level athlete was disqualified from Olympic competition between females in her chosen sport. At this elite in effect professional level, where large amount of money are involved, trans are banned and biologic tests can establish if females have objective masculine features exceeding the level permissible for elite female only competition, and that is absolutely clear cut and will not change. At a much much lower college and other lesser levels, partially due to a fear of discrimination suits and possibly because colleges are at the cutting edge of 'woke' and anyway college women's swimming does not matter much except to the participants, trans women are often being permitted to compete as what they say they are, no questions asked . The problem has arose not because Thomas got banned from amateur competition against other men because of her being insufficiently biologically male, but because Thomas had been permitted to go from competing against only men in a certain sport to competing against only women in that same sport. That, although undistinguished while racing against men, Thomas had participated in a sustained way is a red flag. Whatever their chromosomes or unusual developmental conditions, that a person was able to hold their athletic own in male only competition enough to not be an anomalously slow competitor in an activity they choose to compete in against males ought to be the criterion for it being unjust for that person to transfer into a women only sphere of their already chosen sport. In all fairness, even very mediocre results against men in competition disqualifies a person forever more from competing against women. Some people don't care very much about sports of course; genetically engineered champions might end the Olympics as we know it, but genetically engineered physics geniuses ...?
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  1135. I think the lack of large scale swift maneuvers is not because of weather but rather as the Ukrainian military commander said the other day because modern surveillance capabilities mean surprise is no longer possible and both sides have realised how to get real time targeting and easily destroy the other's attacking formations before they have made much headway. Anyway, it is barely useful to use the word "win" without stating what borders Ukraine would have were Russia to 'win', but just the other day Mearsheimer assured us that Russia is not going to be allowed to win. Let us define a Russian win in the sense of Ukraine officially conceding it has lost forever after the currently occupied territory and capitulating on terms favourable to Russia; no matter who is in the White House, the US's protégée Ukraine making any concession to losing the easternmost parts of the country in return for peace would be such a shattering blow to America's prestige that no president could possibly acquiesce in it. True victory might have been attained last year but Ukraine failed to follow up its successes in a timely manner, and now the Russians are, if not skillful, stubborn in defence. A Korean war type ending without an official peace treaty is the most likely outcome and that will let America and Russia retain the status they enjoyed prior to 2022. It would be a mistake to think that anyone in the White House (or the Kremlin) will see their country's status in the world as not worth battling to almost the last extremity for.
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  1140. ​ @tokeherkild8038  A "units along the border" stance by Russia was politico military pressure, yet unconvincing as a threat because they would be outnumbered four to one on the ground and even more in the air if they crossed that border in an actual offensive Far forward and stationary mobile units are sitting ducks for surprise attack t so the Russian posture was sabre rattling, not defensive, as can be seen in Belarus right now. The present conflict between Russia and US led Nato is political/ hybrid. As I recall important US officials considered the electoral advances of the Italian Communist Party in the 70s/80s as a threat to Western security, so I expect that Putin is threatened by democracy in Ukraine heartening his Russian opponents and in a time of crisis contributing to by a colour revolution example. However, the simple fact is that Russia's accelerating relative technological backwardness means that in the future its going to become increasingly helpless in any real war, and any sabre rattling it does will be risible. Putin has foreseen this (his Munich Security Conference speech about the prospect of the US developing a complete defence to ICBMs and becoming the sole centre of international decision making), therefore he understands that US Patriot and anti ICBM bases on Russia's borders are bringing forward the day when Russian inferiority is so complete that no one pays any attention to waht the Kremlin says. Holding back that day is Putin's job as leader of Russia.
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  1203.  @phd1313 But we know that on day eleven someone is still strong enough to put the phones and camera (without any message for their families on either) in the backpack and securely fasten it. Of course that is easy to come up with an innocent reason for, just as can be done for many other strange facts known, yet while each odd thing can be easily explained when considered individually. Yet, if taken in the round the totality of anomalies is persuasive (by my way of thinking) that in all probability we are dealing with male criminal activity towards undefended young women with a contemporaneously fabricated cover narrative on the phones and camera. That the night photos where Kris's hair is seen were taken in the early hours of the morning during a thunderstorm a week after they vanished reeks of the clandestine. It is highly unlikely they left the trail willingly to enter scratchy forest as they had bare arms and legs. Judging by how clean their bra were they both took their bras off at an early stage. Lack of decomposition products on the denim shows Kris died without her shorts on. Them getting naked in the jungle pretty far fetched. But what makes this an obvious double homicide is on the day of the hike both their phones got switched off one hour after the sole emergency call attempt (one from each of their phones twelve minutes apart). To accept an accident what happened after the failed emergency call each is neither made any retry, and instead decided to be early to bed for their first night lost in a strange jungle (maybe in order to not be bothered by people calling them during what they hoped would be a good night's sleep, they switched both their phones off at the same time and left them off for a whole 13 hours. On the 2nd (day after they went missing ) an attempted emergency number call from Froon's phone is said to have made a short-time connection, following which the call was terminated. It is an undisputed fact that Froon's phone was then left on without making a call or other activity all that night running the battery down completely by 5am and there were no more call attempts from it or Kremers's phone after that time (5am the 3rd). Everyone knows who did it.
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  1250. Putin tried to join Nato you know, this was in 2001 and he was given the runaround. Be all that Dark Triad stuff in his make up as it may, the question is would any Russian leader have acted differently? The current head of the CIA published a book in which he recalled a memo to Bush noting that during his years in the Moscow Embassy never one did he meet any Russian (even liberals sharply critical of Putin) who thought the Ukraine joining Nato was acceptable. Bush ignored that advice and the accompanying conclusion that Russia would make mischief and went ahead with persuading the other Mato members to agree to an announcement Ukraine would join Nato. I would also point out that Ukraine has not joined Nato because Putin prevented it by sponsoring an uprising in the Donbass in 2014. Ukraine is a Nato partner working towards full membership officially. If it was never going to join why did Biden not announce that, it would be cocession but a meaningless concession. Biden and his advisrs didn't think Putin would invade. Putin said unless he got some concessions on Ukraine he would take 'military and technical measures'. The people in charge of US foreign policy are liking in the past; Ukraine is not West Germany during the Cold War. Did JFK had psychopathic traits for trying to overthrow the government of Cuba for allying with the USSR? Cuba was a sovereign state. Then he almost started a nuclear war because Cuba hosted US missiles. There is a US missile base in Poland opening later this year and it would be 300 seconds hypersonic flight time from Moscow
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  1423. Ukrainians' elected representatives are the only ones who can officially cede national territory, and yes that would signal a terrible diplomatic defeat for the country and when hostilities cease Kyiv might see some changes, yet this punishment of failed elected officials by replacing them is supposed to be the Western way. Biden started as Pres by calling Putin "a killer", then had almost three years after a full on invasion of Ukraine by Russia to give ATACMS, F16s to Ukraine, and most dreaded of all by Russia, draconian oil sanctions, but did/ is about to do so only when he knew Trump was going to be the one to deal with the results. The latest Ukrainian strike inside Russia were on Taganrog which is a Black Sea port nowhere near Kursk or the North Koreans Biden was worried about Russia red lines until he lost the election but then starts expanding the strikes deep and wide so Trump takes power inextricably entangled in tit for tat escalation he cannot get out of without looking terribly weak. Biden is also giving the largest ever amount of US money yet to Ukraine and using the interest on Russian money to pay for the rest of the aid. The much more stringent oil sanctions will cause general inflation globally, and send Germany's economy down the toilet; not clear who in going to pay for the massive cost of EU convergence payments for Ukraine with the economic outlook for Bessel's banker Germany. Similarly, Trump is not going to be the one who has to deal with the fruits of mature mega-alliance between Russia with its vast untapped resources being exploited by the industrial giga workforce of China that will tilt the whole balance of world power irreparably against the West. So I expect that Trump will have to continue the war at the intensity Biden's own 'Christmas Bombing' has amped it up to by January. What I think Trump might do as an initiative against Russia is impose sanctions against China for helping Russia in Ukraine, which will kill the Russians' war effort (from microchips to spools of optic fibre for one way drones) in an attempt to slow down Chinese growth. German diplomats chuckled as Trump opposed the German reliance on Russia energy being cemented by a new huge pipeline, but Trump was right.
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  1493.  @q.e.d.9112  All this discussion pf whether Russia would dare threaten to use or actually use a tiny specimen of its thermonuke capabilities to stave off decisive conventional reverses is highly hypothetical. With the exception of Ben Hodges (who thinks the RusFed will be defeated and break up but not dare use nukes to stop the slide (why?), the balance of military expert opinion is for Ukraine to push the Russians back inside their own borders will be a challenge. The US does not seem to be supplying Ukraine with the advanced missiles to really shatter the Russian army. My impression is the US objective is weaken Russia slowly and surely <i>rather</i> than enable Ukraine to win ASAP. Ukraine has not accomplished a major encirclement, and their casualties are prolly running about equal. As Russia retreats the density of its forces in occupied Ukraine increases, and their lines of communication shorten, as does the front line. Hundreds of thousands of Russian reservists equipped from reserve stock across the RusFed will enable rotation of units out of the front line for resting and refitting. Xi merely said don't start a nuclear war. The Ukrainians don't have nuclear weapons if they were hit with them there could not be a nuclear war. Unless the US decided to start one which nothing in the Budapest Memorandum commits America to as it made clear at the time by insisting that what Ukraine was being given was not a " guarantee". Britain is a full member of Nato, and island with allies between it and any invader, plus an extremely close 'sidekick' relationship with the US, and yet Britain also has its own nuclear warhead ICBMs. Clearly, the US getting into a strategic nuclear war with Russia for any other country even the Nato member closest to the US ( Britain) lacks credibility. While I admit Ukraine may have more will to win, they lack escalatory dominance inasmuch were they to push Russia back out of Ukraine completely, Putin would always have an option to threaten nuclear weapons and them use them. Ukraine cannot make Russia give up and go home because Russia cant do that. I can't because it would not merely be back at square one, it would have ceased to be a credible military power conventionally, and shown itself to be a thermonuclear paper tiger. The reason Russia has so many tactical nukes is for using on China so Putin cannot let Xi tell him when he can use them.
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  1494.  @dearmas9068  The Ukrainians don't have nuclear weapons if they were hit with them there could not be a nuclear war. Unless the US decided to start one which nothing in the Budapest Memorandum commits America to as it made clear at the time by insisting that what Ukraine was being given was not a " guarantee". Britain is a full member of Nato, and island with allies between it and any invader, plus an extremely close 'sidekick' relationship with the US, and yet Britain also has its own nuclear warhead ICBMs. Clearly, the US getting into a strategic nuclear war with Russia for any other country even the Nato member closest to the US ( Britain) lacks credibility. America would do something to punish Russia but it would be conventional and peripheral. All this discussion pf whether Russia would dare threaten to use or actually use a tiny specimen of its thermonuke capabilities to stave of decisive conventional reverses is highly hypothetical. With the exception of Ben Hodges (who thinks the RusFed will be defeated and break up but not dare use nukes to stop the slide (why?), the balance of military expert opinion is for Ukraine to push the Russians back inside their own borders will be a challenge. The US does not seem to be supplying Ukraine with the advanced missiles to really shatter the Russian army. My impression is the US objective is weaken Russia slowly and surely <i>rather</i> than enable Ukraine to win ASAP. Ukraine has not accomplished a major encirclement, and their casualties are prolly running about equal. As Russia retreats the density of its forces in occupied Ukraine increases, and their lines of communication shorten, as does the front line. Hundreds of thousands of Russian reservists equipped from reserve stock across the RusFed will enable rotation of units out of the front line for resting and refitting.
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  1502. Half the unprecedented spike in deaths taking place she could not have been responsible for; the ones while she was in the unit were classified by the prosecution experts as 'unexpected' and deemed due to air injected into the nasogastric tube while the other deaths in the spike which occurred when she was out of the unit were classified differently. It is not clear that there was any reliable way of determining a difference, and the paper that the prosecution doctors relied on to diagnose the air injection by a presence of skin rash was studying something quite different. Many in the field of statistics insist the 'she was there for all the deaths' chart shown to the jury was misleadingly presented and just plain wrong . As for "Defence disputed the causes postulated by the prosecution and were free to call their retained expert but declined to so". Since they have been allowed to comment, doctors of the highest eminence in neonatal care have expressed very grave doubts about the opinions that were delivered by the prosecution's expert and medical witnesses. There is general skepticism by doctors who work with newborn babies that the injection of air into a baby's gastronasal tube could kill a baby as the prosecution's top expert witness (who retired decades ago) said was how most of the babies were murdered. There are things that are to say the least difficult to explain away for anyone who believes Letby is totally innocent: Dr Jayaram testified he'd walked in on Letby standing over a baby gasping for air with no alarm sounding even though the breathing tube was dislodged, and her doing nothing to help. There may have been a motive to complain about Letby for this doctor. Yet he did originally go to and tell the unit managers what he had seen well before all this blew up and the police got involved. Would he have dared fabricate that incident and go to the unit managers with it if it was untrue? Then again, there is a lack of doctors coming forward to support the medical theories (especially the completely novel one of air injection into nasogastric tube) that prosecutors relied on quite a bit.
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  1505.  @stevemorse108  I consider the involvement of F to be virtually certain. One thing we definitely know (because he gave two mutually incompatible accounts): guide F has uttered untruths about whether he had a meeting with Kris and Lissane the day before they disappeared. I think he did, just as he originally said; he told of trying to sell the girls guided tours at the language school where he is the default guide . According F's original account, this happened on Monday the 31st of April and in his detailed account Lisanne read and Kris lay in a hammock as he was giving them his sales pitch. His card was in their room and what he said about them is consistent with what we know of their personalities. It is important to remember that the trip they got the school intern Eileen to book sometime on Tuesday by phone/ internet for Wednesday was to Alto Quiel, and on a complete different trail in another direction to any part of the Pianista and the continuation of a rough trail behind it. A certain site (not Scarlett's) will tell you that Eileen was an employee of F, but this is incorrect. Eileen was a pretty young German woman who was moved around the various schools, and was new to Boquete. She booked F to be a guide on Wednesday for herself Eileen as well as Kris and Lisanne. Eileen did not see Kris and lisanne on Tuesday at all, so the book must have been decided on the day before. You really cannot beat Scarlet's site, the others are all all plagerising her and just making things up; managing to get very important details completely wrong withal. In my opinion F went away from his Monday meeting with the girls thinking lascivious things, but is not stupid enough to have ever believed he could be the guide taking them on a hike/ tour and then have them 'disappear' on that tour; he would've immediately been arrested and be as good as convicted. What I think happened is he saw them and thought he would like to victimize them (or maybe just Kris) , but it was just fantasy for the aforementioned reason. How did it go down then? The next day he may have simply bumped into them on the trail when he happened to be walking it, and thought he had the perfect set up to do what he wanted, and not only get away with it, but have no criminal investigation by faking them dying accidently because they were lost. They knew him as a trustworthy guide, and if just running into him, he would be able to trick them into leaving the trail by offering to show them something like a waterfall. If he had neutralized Lissane out of the blue, he'd have been able to control Kris quite easily. Of course he may have somehow known or suspected or been tipped off they were on the trail some way and/or had help, but I think him acting alone with what he'd regard as luck in the way I have just adumbrated is an underdiscussed scenario.
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  1509. The Major Error seems to be military subordination to and faith in the government: implementing Hitler's decision with the resources made available and doing so in the expectation of success although Russia was too big and well armed for the German force that Hitler tasked with conquering it. That is what I think what MHV is saying. However, the encirclements that the early German campaigning in Barbarossa enjoyed was substantially due to having the element of surprise over stand their ground Soviets (no Soviet plan to fall back to defensible lines along rivers) which would have been lost with more thorough preparations than the ones the Germany army actually did make. Whether there was any real blunder is unclear; it might well have been telegraphing Barbarossa much too early to have something as ponderous and difficult to conceal as an enlarging and reequipping of the German army. Hitler fooled Stalin and gave his army the best chance, they were careful not to waste that advantage. While the argument that a non-diverted drive on Moscow would have had its flank exposed to the strong Soviet forces unmolested in the south is a very tenable one, that is precisely why after some wargaming there was an Army Group South (and North) incorporated into the original Barbarossa plan. Army Group South had the job of preserving the flank of Army Group Centre's drive on Moscow. So the Soviets in the South would have been moving to fighting on a second and reversed front when they attacked German Army Group Centre's drive on Moscow. At this stage of the war the Soviets were much worse in offensive mobile operations than when defending ground, where they could use artillery. Lastly, a relentless drive on Moscow was not actually made although every German military professional was of the opinion that it ought to be. We can say a German offensive such as Stolfi postulated would in the event have probably gone the Moscow defenders' way, but you cannot say it certainly would have because Germany lost the war without trying that stratagem. Hence, there remains a possibility that going straight at Moscow, as not merely Guderian but Von Bock wanted to, might have succeeded. It follows therefore that swiftly going straight at Moscow with all of Army Group Centre offered the only possible chance of victory at that stage of the war, and ought to have been tried. Both Hitler and some of his generals share the blame. For an objective of Nazi Germany becoming a World Power, Hitler after having made the big decision for a rapid conquering of European Russia by surprise attack on the USSR, should have then deferred to the Army's judgment on how to do it. In the summer of 1941, Germany's Generals should have presented a united unwavering demand for a concentration of all of Army Group Centre's resources on attacking Moscow ASAP.
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  1691.  @NadaYoTengo  Okay, you have local knowledge so I accept that our person of interest does not spend his time there on an average day. However, he is very wised up about the internet and phones so I think when he does leave Boquete to attend to matters on his farm near Alto Romero, he would be making calls to Boquete to keep in touch with any new bookings and when he may have to be back for. He surely knows from doing this while walking between Boquete and the farm both on his own account, and while with tourist customers paying for trips to his coffee plantation farm, where the phone reception ends (so would other guides too probably). However it would not just be a case of knowing where the women would not be able to call the emergency number (hitting the unlock key five times would be all that would have been needed) and actually get through, there is another reason. Even if if they were waylaid too suddenly for an emergency call to be made, the phones being switched on within phone reception range might enable the exact location every 15 minutes to later be determined by examining the cellphone mast data. That info would not require finding the girls phones, because the call data is stored in the mast transmitting stations and could have been available as soon as they were officially missing. The perps had to do this thing well outside phone reception range, otherwise they would have been leaving the investigation a record of exactly when and where the victimization started. Inside phone reception range, not turning the girls' phones off once under the perps' control would be tantamount to giving a the authorities a moment by moment record of their movements while inside reception range. Kris and Lisanne left phone range at 1.39pm and one would expect that the perps made sure they had a broad extra margin to be sure. There was a guide (not F) who said he saw them on the summit/ overlook, but has since changed his mind and said he know realises he was wrong and it was not them. He admits he was there on the day though. Considering Kremers's unusual red blonde hair, pale skin of her exposed legs and arms, and Froon's almost as striking clothing and extreme height, I do not understand how any man could make a mistake like that.
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  1692.  @NadaYoTengo  Okay. I have maybe confused my commentary with counterfactual 'mights' in the perpetrators mind.. Back to basics. In a nutshell, the perps knew the area extremely well, and understood they did not need to worry about the girl's cell phones. Moreover, the perps actually used the phones to manufacture a cover story by storing the phones for ten weeks and subsequently leaving them to be found. That seems to me a very above average level of confidence in one's grasp of such technology in someone who also had a very detailed knowledge of the trail area (pretty disparate types of knowledge for one man to have). Our guy is quite intelligent, organized and patient enough for carrying out a long term plan. Scarlet R is the best on the background, but Arnold Donaldson has the first principles right. Scarlet is very fair in making allowances for 'F' and his attitude now being a result of the internet accusations he has been subjected to, but if a couple of local Boquete girls had disappeared like that their Panamanian fathers and brothers would be doing more than sending him nasty e-mails, eh? Scarlet ought to remember that he never faced an investigation that began from the starting point of having identified the girls' deaths as a double homicide. He was not professionally interrogated. In an interview in July 2014, he said the girls could not have gone off the trail, but then he said the danger is to keep going too far along the trail. This is a slander on the common sense of two girls. One must draw one's own conclusions as to why someone who is so familiar with that trail thinks a 4.39pm emergency call by two girls intending no more than a days walk. and understanding they had the same ground to cover on the return was made while heading towards the cable bridge, (which they could not have possibly reached by that time).
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  1693. Sounds like you know what you are talking about. Maybe it is foolproof, but you would need to be very (over) confident such was the case, and expert professionals could not detect some anomaly in the total data to stake everything on the SIM card removed log fraud duping everyone. The guy we are talking about was already identified as a figure in the case by being a guide hired by them for the next day for the very same trail. And raising the alarm. Finds of manipulated phones wouldn't need Sherlock Holmes to conclude it was likely a double homicide, and anyone who admits that possibility is inexorably led to the conclusion it was him. I think the phones were used out of range by him from a very early stage. If the girls were in signal range the most dangerous point for the for the perpetrator(s) would be the initial assault to actually getting the girls under his control, and that necessarily would have happened when THEY had their phones and were only seconds from getting through to the Emergency number. Women of that age can use their phones very quickly, and are fearful. I think being out of signal range had two benefits . One they could not call for help. Secondly it let the lost calls deception require only a normal amount of technical knowledge. Also, the phone data for the 2nd shows a gap between 8am and 11am when our man was In Boquete in the morning . The 2 second connection on the 2nd is consistent with him making a mistake about being in a signal free location due to all the running about he was dong that day.
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  1771. All depends what you mean by 'win'. Halt the Russian advance and attrite the Russians until they realise their efforts is futile and ask for an agreement freezing the front lines? Forcibly retake the land in the South and Donbass occupied post Feb 2022? Make remaining in Crimea untenable for Russia? Inflict so many KIA sons on Russian soldiers' families that Putin gets overthrown by popular unrest and Russia breaks up? Ukraine will try to attain the latter outcomes. The West won't help them achieve those, but Ukraine might just be able to do it anyway. Big if, but if Ukraine was getting the kind of victory they aspire to then I think Putin would use nukes on the Ukrainian army. Theatre thermonuclear weapons' as unignorable hybrid warfare; the US led Nato alliance would not have been attacked yet it would still have to do something but what would they dare do to a country that had already crossed the Rubicon? There would be uncertainty and fear of overdoing it and panicking the Kremlin, with good reason! In my opinion the greatest asset of Russia in deterring the Wesst in Russia's fragility. An endgame without a Russian rout and resort to desperate measures short of an attack on Nato forces but presenting them with a challenge will be very tricky to avoid because things speed up towards the end, in war as so many things. Although we hear a lot about Ukraine currently winning comfortably, no one spells out how taking that process to completion would actually be feasible without a period of extreme instability and danger. Is Nato willing to directly enter conventional combat, limited but nevertheless actual, against Russian forces if Russia gets so desperate it nukes the Ukrainian army?
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  1957. Obama vetoed Blinken and others' urging to send weapons to Ukraine because he said Russia had "escalatory dominance'. His belief has not been falsified by events, because Russia has escalated to an astounding degree, which perhaps indicates a perception that they faced an existential threat. To feel compelled to fight is not necessarily motivated by a belief that one will win. We don't know whether Putin ordered the invasion in a state of exultation or desperation. America is not terribly worried about Ukraine being decimated and Russia may not have anything more to throw at Ukraine, but the menacing statements are not aimed at Ukraine they are aimed at the US, which seems to be taking them seriously judging by how Ukraine have been denied ATACMS. Russia cannot be defeated in the sense that Saddam's Iraq or Hitler's Germany was, so it would not be existential for the leadership to withdraw and sign a peace treaty with guarantees of no future repetition of the invasion. But whether they could domestically survive a failure in Ukraine is dubious. Full mobilization or even more drastic measures such as clear warnings of a very big bang would be tried before Russia accepted being pushed back. There could also be some kind of attack on US surveillance satellites planes or bases, possible bey electronic warfare or laser to begin with. If forced to accept a defeat in the field against medium sized technologically middling country like Ukraine the RF might as well disarm because they cannot beat anyone. A common scenario wargamed by Nato has been coming to the aid of Russia invaded by China; maybe Russia will lose (you have made a good case), but in the global strategic context any such Ukraine/NATO/ US victory will prove to be a pyrrhically costly one in the long term I suspect. So the assumptions may not just be bad in the Kremlin
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  2076. The Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, did ten years in prison and is a minion of Putin; Prigozhin fascinates the intel and deception machine of the west that is looking to cause trouble in the kremlin because the battlefield is not looking too good, but in all truth his current prominent position could not possibly survive Putin leaving office, and the idea of him being a successor is very far from credible. Wagner's convicts ( 20,000 of which 10% have been KIA to date) are not skilled but they are advancing in a very rigid way quite possibly as sitting ducks for locating Ukrainian positions (per drones that are always overhead of Wagner assaults bands) when the Ukrainian open fire. The convict Wagerites' lack of skills is a feature, not a bug. They are not there to take territory and are expected to die in the process of not taking it. Russia is not going to run out od robbers and murders they have a 100,000 srill incarcerated. They are not there to take territory and are expected to die in the process of _not_taking it. Russian men against American machines, It's only the convicts who are being killed, and it seems they are being used to locate Ukrainian artillery when it fires on Wagner's constant reconnaissance in force. Wager has 20,000 convicts, the planners of Wagner operation just get more convict to replace the ones dying, The bombardments after Wagner operation are greater thAT THE ONES THAT WERE TO SUPPORT THE OP. These ops always take place in daylight, all the better for Russian drones to see the Ukrainian artillery's firing. And sorry, but it is working for Russia be it ever so ugly. If is really is good for Ukraine why do they keep telling the world that the Russian tactics in Bakhmut are stupid? RusFed individuals being lost there are almost entirely convicts and them being KIA is a saving to the Russian taxpayer. Bakhmut is where they have the firepower and Ukrainians standing and fighting and these are some of the best and most determined units in the Ukrainian being pinned or 'fixed' in Bakhmut where they are immobile and easy to bombard instead of being free for surprise offensives. Meanwhile the VDV (professional core of the Russian army) has been resting and refitting after being withdrawn from West bank Kherson months ago. I think Surovikin has the wherewithal for an offensive using his mst capable and now freed troops while putting the hundreds of thousands of mobilised reservists into the fortified defensive positions .It must be remembered that the Wagner convicts are there to die., A well planned defensive battle is to the Russian army's taste. It is in over extending itsele by advancing too far too fast and distant from logistic infrastructure that Russia has come unstuck. I think Surovikin would be happy to let Ukraine come to him, now he has a consolidated, fortified and fully manned front line plus in the VDV a large mobile force being held further back to be thrown in to a critical battle that will be on ground where Russia has the logistic advantage. And Surovikin can cut the bridges across the Dnipro when that will have maximum disruptive effect. If one was going to chose a place to fight Russia , south east Ukraine would not be top of the list. I think Russia giving up in a war against a medium size country on its doorstep would be very surprising, and it is not necessary to attribute their continuation of this war against Ukraine to anything but standard nation state geopolitical interests. When all is said and done Russia has propinquity and resources, while Ukraine does not have a monopoly on nationalism and people supporting their country when it is up against it. I would not bet on Russia settling for less than a draw, or the US /Ukraine assemblage being able to get an outright victory.
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  2108. Unless the Russians are dim, the mobilised reservists are for replacing the remaining contract professional soldiers currently stationed at cushy bases inside the current borders of the RusFed. The freed up young tough professional soldiers will be sent to Ukraine. Not clear what Putin is going to do with them, but I think he understands Ukraine aided by America is holding almost all the cards in a long war, and further Ukrainian advances are likely. Invading the Russian Motherland is something that Ukraine must not and won't willingly do, because it would give Putin a theoretical justification (under long standing Russian rationales for first use) to detonate a theatre thermonuclear weapon on the Ukrainian army. What Putin is up to with the proposed rapid incorporation of the occupied territories is getting Ukraine on the horns of a dilemma whereby trying to liberate their own territory they will be moving into what is in Kremlin eyes as Russian as Siberia. Please note: I do not think Russia will demand Ukraine withdraw from what they have liberated in Donbass ECT just because of some law that Russia has passed saying all Donbass is Russian, but I do think that once Russia passes such a law the Ukrainians will be put on notice that if they advance any further their force will be treated as if they are a conventionally unstoppable aggressor at the gates of Moscow.. The meaning of Putin's "this is not a bluff" remark is clear. It is much cleverer than a demand to 'surrender or we drop the Bomb'. because it puts the ball in the Ukrainian American court. My feeling is the US behind the scenes will tell Ukraine to advance as quickly a possible before the occupied Ukrainian territories can be incorporated into Russia proper under Russian law. Once that happens America will choke down the supply of HIMARs ammunition, and the war will effectively end. America is not going to get into a nuclear war with Russia, and a US force (including air force) conventionally fighting with Russia would have much too easy a path to nuclear war, because there are tactical anti aircraft missiles that Russia commander would in 15 minutes ask for permission to use when they were being clobbered as they would be.
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  2109.  @krpi7685  Holding the referendums and doing the annexations now does not fool anyone outside Russia, but it must be for a purpose and I think he is preparing the ground for the contingency of having to issue a credible theatre thermonuclear strike when and if 'Paddington' puts his paw across whatever front line exists at the time. Putin is readying a backstop in case the Russian army gets routed again, wants the West to understand that the personnel of the state including the military commanders in Russia are going to be given a order consistent with the long established decision protocols for an apparent proper rationale for the use of a theatre thermonuclear weapon on the rear area of an Ukrainian army driving into what by that time in Russian law ' 'is' as Russian as Vladivostok. In a situation where America is retaliating for a Russian battlefield thermonuclear strike on Ukraine's advancing army with a direct military attack of some kind on Russian forces in and around Russia, Russia would have has already crossed the Rubicon of first use, although not against any member of Nato. None of such complicating factors have been well worked out in all their implications in the way a Warsaw Pact NATO conflict had been over decades, so there can be little certainty. Nonetheless, I venture to say it is barely plausible that after detonating one theatre thermonuclear weapon on a Ukrainian army, the Russians are going to accept that their nuclear deterrent to conventional attack is so risible to America that it can for example, brazenly send swarms of F35s to sink the Black Sea Fleet with impunity, while Russia is paralyzed with fear. Two things are thing is for certain Russia would be pathetically vulnerable to any conventional raid America launched on it, and another is that in the thermonuclear weapons' realm Russia can look the USA in the eye; so what would the Kremlin do in retaliation? 'Nothing' seems an unlikely response from Putin in view of his track record.
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  2238. Sorry but much of the critical aid the US supplied to Ukraine HIMARS ATACMS/ Patriots is not available on the open market like food is. You cannot therefor put a domestic military budget accounting price on the key weapons given to Ukraine let alone the ongoing behind the scenes support including intel and a different target specific terrain recognition plan loaded into each missile fired by Ukraine. There is not enough money in the world to pay for that it was a huge gift. The US has also protected Ukraine by quiet deterrence any temptation for the Kremlin to toy with resorting to nuclear strike (facing this down was an unlimited liability enterprise for the US if it went wrong), which is invaluable. It is all very well Ukraine having these strategic objectives of total independence and ownership of their land and any profits from exploiting its resources, but they cannot pay for a war to hold onto it. American taxpayers are not willing to foot the bill, and that is why most of them voted for Trump. At least if the US was getting a cut of the Donbass rare earth minerals it would have a motive to make the Russians withdraw from there. As for just frontloading Ukraine enough to clean Russia's clock back in 2022, no US government has the right to take that kind of chance of a shooting war with Russia without the US being directly threatened. The Pentagon would not obey such irresponsible orders; we know this because it was the Pentagon who vetoed the frontloading option and objected to deeper than artillery capability for Ukraine right down the line. They understand what the reaction might well have been.
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  2259.  @enshk79  Armies were still expecting soldiers fighting from the back of horses with swords to have a role well into WW1, so actual combat showing up the ineffectiveness of tanks a hundred years later is par for the course. And it is not just tanks, there seems to be an assumption that F16 would shoot down Russian ground attack aircraft and then do airstrikes on the Russians defenders at critical points, but that is most unlikely. The smarms of drones are profoundly altering the usefulness of airpower, which also has to cope with manpads among ordinary infantry; given the Russian heritage of an extensive variety of long range anti aircraft missiles to fight against a strong airforce. modern air superiority planes almost a generation in advance of the F16 would be protecting the Russian ground attack aircraft. The survivability of F16s doing ground attack missions on a Ukrainian battlefield is very dubious The Ukrainians are not even at the first line of fortifications yet, and already went from fanfaronade to fiasco. Russia had a series of fiascos from trying to advance swiftly, and while they made mistakes in execution I think evidence for the effectiveness of combined (tanks, artillery infantry, and airstikes) arms to breach defences and exploit the breakthrough in a sustainable way is noticeably lacking considering now long the war has went on . Mines laid by artillery and drone observation of where to shoot the mines has wreaked havoc on both sides offensives in Ukraine and what can F16s or even F35s do about that?
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  2299.  @TyllerBoom  I definitely agree that young troops in excellent physical condition are necessary for successful (high tempo) exploitation of breakthroughs. But that is not the Russian style, their attacks are snails pace and the rate of advance is dependent how quickly their artillery and its ammunition can be moved forward, The elite units of the Ukrainian army with their Western equipment and training are involved in the Kursk incursion into Russia. The bulk of the most determined ideological/ volunteerist formations are well back from the front line and although called in to stem enemy advances that threaten breakthrough, and are just as quickly rotated out not used to occupy trenches in the main defence lines of Donbass which the Russians are concentrating on. So the older men are fighting from fixed positions where their lack of mobility is not a problem. Donbass front line positions are extremely dangerous places to be 'mobile' in, for Russians because there are FPV drones night and day and zeroed in artillery. If you are Ukrainian, marking off the calendar until a half ton FAB bomb lands in your vicinity. Russian use of their elite formations in the early part of the war was profligate and took 18 months to recover from, but they have figured out how to preserve them by using expendable troops. Are the Russians feeding replacements in their 50s into the front lines where they'll become rotting corpses like their predecessors? Yes, the worst troops are sent to certain death, but that is how attrition with a view to the quality of different units works.
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