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On the 1st April 2014 after 2pm, by which time they had turned around to go back and were retracing their steps, someone attacked and subdued Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon. Their phones were taken off them. About two hours later one attempted emergency call was made from each of their phones, 12 minutes apart. Had that been Kris and Lisanne, they'd each have made multiple attempts one after the other. So it was almost certainly one man who knew there was no phone reception in the area, and was using each of their phones in turn. Or, or him untying the hands standing over each girl in turn as they tried to made the calls. What is strange is this entailed him already having formulated a long term plan to later leave the phones to be found. He then switched both phones off for 13 hours (inconceivable that Kremers and Froon would have made one failed-to-connect call each to the emergency number, then both given up and switched off). Next morning he switched the phones on, and again made--or more likely had the girls make--attempts to connect to the emergency number. There was only one call by Kremer's but repeated calls by Froon's phone,. On the third try by Froon's phone that morning, to his surprise and no doubt dismay, Froon's phone did connect to a network. There were no more attempt to call the emergency number with Froon's phone, and Froon's phone was left on all night, which ran the battery down. Next morning (3rd April), Kremers's phone made an attempt to call the emergency number that was the last one by either of the phones. Just think about that for a second; it had power and was having the correct pins entered for another 48 hours, yet there was no attempt to call the emergency or any other number by Kremers's phone*. I doubt that either girl was alive after midday of the 5th. That would explain why no PINS for Kremers's phone starting that afternoon. There was the photo on the 8th of Kremer's hair, but that could have been faked on her corpse. The activity without PINS on Kremer's phone until the 11th April was part of a charade being staged by the perpetrator. *Kremers's phone did not need PINs for an emergency call , nether did Froon's. No mystery.
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Dr Grande's worst ever video. These were two physically fit intelligent adults. Perhaps a chance in a million this was any kind of dual misadventure while lost. Start from the the most obvious thing: that they were a couple of strikingly attractive young women in an isolated area without phone reception, who would have been defenceless, and thus a tempting target for predatory men. The propinquity of what was left of their bodies, bones being fragmented into shards (especially), and one set of remains showing signs of being chemically stripped of flesh makes it ludicrous to think the most plausible explanation is accidents and exhaustion. The sinister night photograph of the back of Kremers’ head shows blood; they were being forced by their captors to walk into a more secluded area, the flash was for light. I strongly suspect they were followed from the town, realized it and tried to call for help but got captured and beaten, then forced deep into the jungle possibly to some shack. The bodies were pulverised and disposed of later. Sadly, when police are confronted with an unsolvable crime they have a powerful motive to write it off as probably not due to foul play. I'm old and over the decades have seen it repeatedly. For example the Babes in the Wood murders (Epping Forest), and the Disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and the case of Julie Ward.
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@CreamIceMs Well I am sure they were where they were unable to be heard but why? What you suggest as resolving an anomaly is reasonable, yet in this case there are myriads; when each factoid is examined individually one can see no overall pattern of a malevolent intelligence at work and the fact that these were two striking young women seems irrelevant , yet the evidence must be assessed in its totality rather than arbitrarily hinging on one point. When one proceeds in such a manner the marginal unlikelihoods accumulate into an Everest. Incidentally, It is not jungle, because you cannot keep cattle in a jungle and there are trails, work shacks and scattered dwellings for the herders (including a shack the book co authored by the Panamanian investigating magistrate in the case says the girls spent time in), you cannot keep cows in a jungle. Volunteer and then paramilitary emergency search parties were in that area yelling for days while the phones were being switched on and offin the latter part of a period of a full eleven days. And the those searching were professional guides so experts, and Panamanians trained in how to look for lost people in real jungle like the Darien Gap national park. I think it reasonable to assume their local knowledge, training, and experience enabled them to understand how far sound would travel and to go close enough to rivers to be within earshot. Except in a thunderstorm; now the night photo of a full week after they disappeared and that shows Kris's hair was taken in the early hours during a thunderstorm. Why do you think that photo, the only evidence of either KK and LF during the 11 days, was taken when no one was going to be out and about; it feels clandestine, eh?
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They started at 10.45 am and took 3 hours up to the peak, then kept going and went down the other side on a rougher continuation of the trail for an hour. It is known where the last daytime photo (Kremers on a boulder in a small stream) was taken and that it was taken at 2pm. They had been taking photos of all points of interest, but not far along from the location of picture 508 is a photogenic little waterfall, yet there is no photo of it. The lack of any more photos would be explained by them turning around to go back at 2pm. Such a decision would be very plausible because by that point the girls been already been walking for 4 hours, 3 of them uphill. Going back they they'd already have photos of everything on the route. The photos cannot lie, unlike the phone activity. Calls from their phones may have been by the perp, and made to deceive investigators, but as you say something bad was underway when both girls' cell phones tried to connect to the emergency number 2.5 hours after the 2pm photo. If they had not turned around and started back at 2pm and instead went on one hour it would mean they'd be accepting a five hour walk back. I just cannot see them choosing what, if they had eventually returned safe, would have amounted to a 10 hours walk (half of that up inclines). However, let us assume they wanted for some reason to keep on, and did not not turn around and go back, but instead kept walking in the same direction; no matter how hard they pressed on, they simply could not have reached the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine in 2.5 hours from where they were at 2pm. So, whatever the apparent attempted emergency number calls after 4.30 pm were for, and whoever was using the girls cellphones to make them, those calls had nothing to do with an accident crossing the river cable bridge. Moreover, and this is a very telling point I think, the cable bridge over the Serpent river ravine is on the trail. So even if they went off the trail they must have got back on it to get to the cable bridge, and even if they were confused about what way they were going they knew they certainly must have know they had not crossed the cable bridge before and so to cross it was go further away from Boquete as it was getting dark. They had researched the trail on the internet before going so knew crossing the cable bridge would not be a quicker route to civilization than than turning around and going back down the trail. Crossing the cable bridge was going into part of trail they had never been on in order to hike though the night. The emergency calls, whoever made them, time the fateful events as being underway by 4.30pm . Yet no more calls were made for another 14 hours and the phones were switched off during that time.
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Sun bleaching is irregular because of shade and angles ; Kris Kremers's pelvis had been soaked in lye to the extent the marrow was denatured, and it was uniformly greenish not blanched from UV light with mottling. Kris and Lisanne went on the hike on the 1 April 2014, they unsuccessfully called an emergency number before 5pm that day. Get it into your noggin that this trail has nowhere they could have got lost or fallen into a ravine reachable by 5pm, and by then they'd have been hours into retracing their steps for an 8 hour hike. One one of their phones was switched on the 11th April 2014, and switched off with 22% power remaining. So by the accident hypothesis at least one of the girls was alive in the forest for ten days. The initial couple of days search could have missed them as it was not thorough, but starting on the 6th, a huge police and rescue team with knowledge of the area search began to comb ALL the forest where they were later supposed to have been by the accident conjecturers. So for five days a sweep though the lightly wooded areas (which would include the river banks by locals helping police and with a substantial reward by the standards of the country) missed her, and she didn't hear the helicopters didn't scream which would carry a long way (young women can scream very loud). Then for five days at least one of them was alive and managed to avoid a dragnet search of even the deepest forest. Sorry to use the word 'avoid' but I think you have to remember these girls were not fugitives. The bones had not been pecked bitten or otherwise marked by animals, or abraded as in a river bed. A piece of Kremers's pelvis and a part of of Froon's ribs were found together beside a river but even it they died together upstream in a fall into the river, the odds are long of these pieces washing up on the same sandbank. A section of Froon's skin found 72 days later was rolled into a ball and seemed not to have even begun to decompose. These remains were found in the area around the hamlet of Alto Romero. The rucksack was very close to Alto Romero indeed and very few people think it showed signs of being having got there by floating on the river. Kremers's shorts were only a few kilometers away. It's abundantly clear, to me at least, that Alto Romero has at least one very calculating psychopath living in it. He thinks he is so clever with his fake emergency calls and leaving the phone to be found and pulverizing the bodies to blame it on the river. But really, he made a bad mistake not just disappearing everything, because all the improbabilities add up to a cast iron case for the deaths of Kremers and Froom being no accident. In a small community like Alto Romero, person(s) of that character would have acquired a bad reputation. I dare say sooner or later t his neighbours or his criminal associates will get tired of having him around to commit another crime get caught, so they'll deal with him in their own fashion. Kris and Lisanne, may you rest in peace.
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Dr Grande says an unknown person of interest is unlikely to be so "irregular" as to leave evidence consistent with foul play where it is bound to be found, and so there was no guilty intentionality at work. However, the trajectory of events established by the contents of the backpack was that the girls had gone down the rough and isolated part of the trail on the other side of the peak. That was a watershed in the investigation because it had not been thought likely, and having become known it moved the focus of inquiries much further away from the very many people living on the Boquete side of the the trail up to the summit that divides the two trails. Where the backpack was found is just outside the search area several kilometers down river from a dangerous monkey bridge on the trail that the girls could have reached and fallen into the river from had they gone on (another four hours!) . The remains of the girls were strewn around a bank of the aforementioned river near an Indian village. Dr Grande's conclusion is valid in relation to the Indians; yes, but though the possessions and remains finds made foul play more likely in in the minds of some observers, it did not in Panamanian officialdom's, who were the ones most important for the perpetrator to convince. In any case, it had the effect of moving the inquiries and search further away from those residing along the trail on the Boquete side. Most of the people who knew the girls were on the trail were those saw them as they walked past back yards on the initial three hour hike from the entrance to the trail up to the summit. In the Central Park Five case it emerged that, far from just being unlucky in running into a gang as originally assumed, the jogger-who was unusually attractive- had been spotted in a crowded part of the park and followed to an isolated area. The same thing happening with the striking Kremers is plausible. What probably happened was the girls turned around to come back after the photo at the little stream( they'd been walking for four hours) and quickly ran into the person(s) following them. One point that Dr Grande might consider is that if faked by a perpetrator the cellphone activity from the 1st April to 11th of April was begun almost immediately and continued with in the expectation that the phone would be kept for some time then left to be found and support an accidental interpretation. To me that would have been very quick thinking , or the result of a pre-existing plan. The night photos of the 8th April also indicate someone putting on record in a camera intended to be later left to be found, a narrative of girls lost in the wilderness and badly injured. Yet knowing to make it work he'd be keeping the camera and cell phone for another two months despite them being extremely incriminating; it would take a very confident methodical man. One could say it did not work, but this fellow if he exists is a Panamanian who knows all he has to worry about is the Panamanian authorities. And he used the contents of the backpack to gave them an illustrated timestamped narrative that satisfied them of not one but two foreign girls losing their way, having serious accidents, and fiddling with their cellphone in a relatively small area for 11 days without being seen or heard by a search and rescues team with abundant local knowledge that was combing every inch of it. This is quite a scenario to make people accept, yet he has done it. If such a culprit/screenwriter exists, who is he? My best guess would be someone who lives on a farm along the Boquete side of the trail, not over the summit. Maybe with his brothers.
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No evidence was found for several weeks. The Panamanian Attorney general announced that Kremers and Froon had been swept out to sea in a river. Then after the Panamanian authorities ruled out foul play, (this was ten weeks after they disappeared) all sorts of evidence starts appearing. masses of fragmented, but nor abraded bones from the corpse of Froom, but only two much larger bones from Kremers, one of them a relatively huge piece of her pelvis. A cheap backpack that did not look like it had enough water damage or mold to have been in a rainy jungle for month, let alone in a river, and inside the non-waterproof backpack electronics in perfect working order. That is some value for money backpack! So all these items of very variable buoyancy, size and and weight were found in different places? Nope, all were found kilometers downstream from the monkey bridge over the Serpent river (fairly consistent with the river accident hypothesis) and on one one little stretch of the Serpent river that is almost on the doorstep of the farm belonging to guide F, who was searching hard for the girls with his unrivalled local knowledge. There was an intelligence at work in the backpack and remains appearing when they did and where they did. One that did not want to reveal itself, but overthought it.
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Strangely. one girl's family thought it was an accident, and some Dutch journalists too. Living in a very well ordered and high trust society like the Netherlands is no preparation for understanding the the realities of Panama. A few years ago a German woman got lost in Panama and was found and ABDUCTED by members of the search and rescue team and assaulted for days until she escaped . In 2009 a twentysomething male British backpacker disappeared in the same Panamanian town the girls were staying in. Moreover, people have been robbed on the trail, but the Panamanians keep all that very quiet and I strongly suspect the girls didn't know enough to understand how much of a chance they were taking. The were warned but didn't comprehend the danger being alluded to was criminal violence. In my opinion, Grande was inappropriately snippy about the girls, as if he thinks Panama is the victim here. Quite the opposite, I have read a bit more; the standard tourist trail up to the summit is has residences backing onto it. It is possible to accidently keep going after the summit and be on a trail that you would walk for days before reaching a town, However the girls knew exactly where they were because they turned and photographed the town several kilometers away below them from the summit before continuing on down the other side on a trail that is NOT jungle but at most forest because there are people living in the area and they drive their cattle (you cannot keep cattle in a jungle) along the trails. They had been told they had to turn and come back from the summit but kept going probably because it was a sunny day and exceptionally easy going being very dry they went on for a couple of hours and reached a stream that has been identified from photos. In In the rainy season it is exhausting country with lots of mud but when they the girls were on it the going was underfoot was easy and the rivers were not in spate. The cable bridge was not necessary to cross the river, it could be forded. The reward offered is a king's ransom in Panama and they were supposed to be alive making calls for 11 days in this inhabited area with no one seeing or hearing them calling for help. A huge search by people that know the area well and have found lost backpackers there before overlapped with the calls from the girls phones. The calls were at a certain time each day and once when connected the connection was immediately broken, When the search got mote intense up ten weeks later and began , pulverized body parts and pristine belongings started appearing. The backpack was found close to an indigenous peoples village. Both girls' bras were inside. As for the bones and fragments of bones that supposedly floated down the Serpent river and ended up on one small sandbank, those were clearly never in the water: bones don't float.
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Anything along the lines of a your proposed explanation of an accidental or at least no foul play death is plausible for one person because some individuals are troubled or easily confused. At first blush, two dying together that way over eleven days in a sparsely populated but inhabited area with herders by day, and their phones (sans last messages) and fragments of a few of their bones being found all in the same five mile stretch of forest is barely credible for young fit women with a thirst for life. It is certainly possible, but on first principles I would say misadventure is far from the least unlikely way they met their deaths. There was one attempted emergency call from each phone at just before 5pm on the day of the hike, then there was a 14 hour gap between the original attempted emergency call, one from from each phone, and the next phone activity, which was one failed emergency call from each phone the following morning. Crucially, the phones were both switched off one hour after the first emergency call attempt (one from each phone twelve minutes apart). Are we supposed to believe that after the failed emergency call neither made any immediate retry and instead decided to be early to bed in a strange jungle, and so in order to get a good nights sleep (and not be bothered by people calling them?) switched their phones off and left them off for a whole 13 hours? The photos on the 8th were taken in the dead of night during a rainstorm. It stinks of clandestine activity being done when no one was up and about in the area to observe the movements. There had been no activity on any phone since the 6th and there was none until the 11th, so a 48 hour gap either side of the night photos. Nary an attempted call after the third day, so 5 days before the night photos the attempted call had completely stopped, but and one phone was switched on the 11th (after the aforementioned four day gap when both were switched off. To think the devices were in the hands of lost girls, one would have to believe the girls were behaving like fugitives for some reason.
Why did the local expert they hired, who earned his living because tourists paid him to be on their hikes, not give KK and LS a warning not to go on one alone especially that one w, which he is the great expert on The girls could hardly have got cautioned to not go down the Serpent trail alone because they had hired him for accompanying them on the trip the next day. The found out they were at a loose end that moring and Eileen in the snapchat exchange of messages that morning asked if he was available,; she was not given (to pass on) such a don't go a hike without me warning for KK and LS, although that morning our friend knew they were probably going a hike alone, and he had told them about the Serpent trail at least indirectly while offering them through Eileen a stay at his lodge down it. It is a fact that he told journalists he had met Kris and Lisanne at the school and in town. Later he denied he ever had met them. That is very reminiscent of Van Der Sloot and his mutually inconsistent accounts.
Were Kris and Lisanne foolhardy? Yes a bit, they met some rough nut guys and may even have been swimming topless with them on the 30th. Though their trusted professional had inexplicably omitted to say don't, going down an isolated trail (he had told them about) was contrary to common sense and the natural fearfulness that young women have for good reason. For reasons of state, Panama preferred the obvious killer should escape justice thinking it would soon be forgotten. Nope.
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@Fraukie_H Normal killers get caught, these ones (or their families who were drawn into it after the fact) were crafty enough to prepare a cover story story with the calls just in case, but the calls were at exactly the same time each day and had wrong pins. They girls were already dead, that is why the photos stop showing them. The evidence of the remains, pulverising of bone and skin rolled into a ball is the work of someone not something. Also the perfect condition rucksack that had not been in the river and was found just after a very close search had began with help from the Dutch and special dogs. The bras are inside and shorts are miles away, but the underpants' were not found at all. My bet is impulsive young men committing an outrage and then asking for help, and the authorites not wanting to admit tourists are at risk in their town. I think the people who were accessories after the fact and the actual perps were not sure what to do; maybe the plan was to store the rucksack with the phones an plant it in in a better way, but the search somehow alarmed the conspiracy and to have incriminating evidence stored became too dangerous so it was clumsily dumped. Quite possibly whoever had the stuff was not a perp but merely an accessory after the fact. Or maybe the remains being found immediately was necessary to stop a search that was making them nervous. The timing suggests the evidence was left to close the matter as accidental death and halt the investigation. But that was a mistake on the perps' part because they made some mistakes and anyone who looks at it in a hardheaded way definitely know this was a double homicide. mot any kind of misadventure. They didn't willingly leave the trail, because it ends at the so called "bridge" and there are warning signs it is inadvisable to proceed unless equipped for the jungle. Furthermore, a Dutchman with mountaineering experience said the cable tightrope (one rope is all there is for your feet) "bridge" with a 70 foot drop was frightening to him, and the girls would never have been on it in the first place to fall off (what the Panamanians say happened). There were multiple townspeople involved in setting them up and others drawn into the cover up I expect and one day it will come back to haunt them. The taxi driver who drove them to the begining of the trail has since drowned supposedly after having a heart attack, he was in his early thirties.
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The trouble with liberalism in international affairs is its not about societies overagainst one another and resorting to hard power; liberalism is about an individual's legally enforceable claims (rights) within a cooperating society. The US led because they paid the piper. American taxpayers were footing the bill for generations in Europe and it's now beyond what is feasible. Gangsters hide behind the presumption of innocence, operate against their fellow citizens abiding by the law, deny their acts, lead bullies out for themselves, and believe in nothing beyond themselves. Putin leads a powerful nation state with a monopoly of force in its territory that asserts itself openly and has men willing to die for it. Ditto Trump. In regards to his personal position, Putin was better off in ever way not invading Ukraine; he genuinely believes Ukraine getting closer to the West is a threat to Russia. For decades Britain has been taking from the defence budget to pay for social spending without raising taxes. Where does the money for endless support for Ukraine (have a long wait for Russia to collapse) come from? Europe is an economic dead zone. No country in the world is completely independent. West did our best for Ukraine but we have welfare state. Europe needs to start worrying worry about getting economic growth to match China and the US's. The US can't pay for the West's defence against an alliance of Russia and China. You add that billion people to Russia's resources and it's Goodnight Vienna. The US's alliance relationship turned into one of dependency. Trump was sent back to the White House, he is giving the Nato countries some realty therapy. As for Ukraine, it never received a guarantee of military aid, still less open ended military aid and imperceptible direct intel and targeting help that progressively pushed Russia closer to China. They are also ungrateful: Ukraine is hitting Russia's oil infrastructure and pushing up the global price of energy, which drives inflation. Russia and China may be each be weakening what taken in isolation but they are coalescing into an alliance, one in which they complement the others strengths. America has dependent 'allies' who place emphasis on their ethereal soft power contribution because they simply lack the economies to contribute anything else. Anything real.
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IF the girls were not abducted on the 1st April, but simply become lost, the photographs taken in the early hours of the 8th of April must have been taken by Froon, who would have no reason to fake Kremers being alive. Therefore, in the non abduction scenario, both Froon and Kremers must have been alive on the 8th. Yet there was no attempt to call the emergency number on their phones after the 3rd. FIVE DAYS BOTH OF THEM ALIVE AND NOT CALLING THE EMERGENCY NUMBER. For the lost theory to be true either Krmers or Froon must have been alive on the 11th. Yet even the most heavily forested places they possibly might have been were went into and searched closely by the local rescue team with a great deal of local knowledge assisted by Panamanian Special Forces (trained by the US green berets) begining on the 6th. The search teams were yelling and all the girls had to do is scream back and they would have both been found in those 48hours because they were both alive as late as the 8th according to the 'lost theory',. At night there were lights. The 'they got lost ' school of thought need to remember that in their preferred scenario these young women (not deaf mutes) WANTED to be found. At least one of them was still alive on the 11th according to the phone data which the 'losters' must accept. Yet she was not found, did not hear the shouts or seen or the lights. We have to bear in mind this person was certainly not hiding from the search in the losters' scenarios, so none of their conjectures actually 'fly' as a real world event. As for the backpack being found with money and constituting evidence that a killer would not have left, the phone data prov if there was a killer was preparing a 'lost' narrative from the first day with fake calls to emergency services. So in an abduction scenario, a perpetrator had from the morning of the day after they were kidnapped (at the latest) formulated a plan to kill them both and get away with it by creating an confirmation of the 'lost scenario on the phones, and much later leaving them to be found. Someone who could think up such a scheme would understand leaving the money in the backpack would be a good idea. Before the backpack or any other trace of the girls was found, the Panamanian government though its attorney general had announced that Froon and Kremers's bodies had been in a river and swept out to sea. Whoever abducted them had intended from the very begining to eventually leave the phones to be found. Once Panamanian law ruled the double disappearance involved no crime, the perpetrators thought they were safe. Moreover, there had been a new and very high reward of $30,000 offered and the leaving the backpack must have seemed a low risk way of claiming it. Especially if it could be planted downstream from the monkey bridge over the Serpent river. The person who found the backpack is am Indian woman but has connections to one of the main suspects, who lives nearby on a farm. Moreover, it was none other than this same this 'person of interest' male who discovered some of the subsequent remains of Kremers and Froon, which were found after there was there was a refusal to pay any of the reward for finding the backpack. This happened ten weeks after Froom and Kremers went missing, and by that time everywhere along the trail and out in every direction from it had been searched very thoroughly; it was hardly possible to put the backpack there and say these things had been missed. Moreover it would have been risky to move in that area with incriminating items while there was to much search activity and people wanting to claim the reward being alert to anything suspicious, especially from our person of interest who was associated with the case in the media, The search had began to verge on but had not yet taken in the person of interest's home area, which happened to be downriver from the cable bridge over the ravine ; so it was was not exculpatory for the backpack and remains to be found near his farm at all. He didn't have much choice but to leave the backpack virtually on the dorstep of hais farm if he wanted to plant it downstream from the monkey bridge in an area he felt secure moving around in and where he has connections which could be used as proxies to claim the reward. The fake emergency calls deception and leaving the phones for a post hoc record of the girls getting getting lost and attempting to contact emergency services was quite a ingenious stratagem. Almost too clever, unless the person had some occupational link in his everyday life to the possibility of tourists getting lost that bought such an ploy to victimize tourists and pass it of as a them perishing in a accident to his mind readily. The emergency calls ploy (and the initial abduction) also required him having confidence in his knowledge of where on the trail the phones of tourists would not connect. Kremers and Froon lost the ability to make calls at 1.39pm, and the last photo was 2.15pm. Pretty precise. Our person of interest guides tourist along this trail. He has also began denying that he ever met Kremers and Froon, though that contradicts his earlier account.
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No Dr Grande, no-one, either the family they were staying with or any employees of the language school, noticed the girls were missing until the guide did the next morning. The school intern, a pretty German girl who had sometime on Tuesday phoned the guide to book him to take her, Kris and Lisanne to his strawberry farm, met the guide at 8am for the booked trip, then went to Kris and Lisanne's lodgings, where the German girl and guide were given the key to the girls' room and looked around at about 9am. Before going to the police station? Nope, the guide and school employee just went on the trip to the strawberry farm. It was when they got back that evening that they went to the police station to report Kris and L:issane missing at 7pm. The school employee is certainly innocent, she is an Amanda Knox type; merely a little slow on the uptake in an extraordinary situation. We must each draw our own conclusion about the other personage.
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Well, no. Girls who were strangers to such conditions getting disorientated and making foolish decisions is very plausible, and so is stumbling around exhausted and in low light conditions falling off a cliff into a ravine with a river at the bottom of it. Kris and Lisanne were less worldly-wise than most twenty year old women, which is really saying something. I agree one of the girls being alive and not being found for day after day while locals were wandering along the paths able to hear screams and search teams were combing the area that is only tens of kilometers across is far from credible. Itmeans the girls were not simply lost. There was in Panamanian terms a huge reward for them. However, the culprits overthought it with the fake calls leaving the backpack and remains so likely are not too bright. The mechanically pulverized condition of the defleshed, although not abraded as they would be by a river bed, bones seems conclusive, especially when taken with the fact that bone does not float. The perpetrators are local yokels, and I am sure I know where they are from. As for blaming the girls, it is not entirely unfair because the girls had been told by the woman of the family they were living with that on reaching the summit they must come back the way they came. Panamanians living around the begining of the trail tried to dissuade the girls from going by themselves on even the touristy part to the summit that borders on properties. I think the way the striking Kremers was dressed worried them. The problem was the girls did not get explicitly told the reason for concerns was they might be assaulted by criminal men. It was an exceptionally good day and dry underfoot, one was artistic and wanted photographs of wilder places and the other was quite athletic, so the combination of their personalities and the favourable conditions led to them not only venturing over the summit on to the rougher path, but going much further down it than anyone would have predicted, or the average couple of European girls might have though wise. Relevant to the idea of them twisting their ankle is they both had excellent boots on. They went for two hours to the little stream where the last photos' were taken. Given that they had then been walking for four hours from the trailhead and would have the same time to get back there by 7 pm at the earliest, the most obvious reason for no more photos is because they turned to go back and were retracing their steps over where they already had taken photos at. An hour later both their phones called the emergency number within ten minutes and those were the last calls made on their phones that were was actually by them I suspect. The most likely scenario for them being alarmed enough to call as an emergency yet having over ten minutes to do so is they passed someone on the trail who then altered direction and began stalking them. There is a photo of Kremer a week afterwards ( 8 April) Yet they cannot possibly have been alive then because they could shout for help and be heard, unless they were being held prisoner. One of the girls' phone was being used on the 11th. I have never thought there was the slightest mystery about it; the perpetrators being most likely men from Alto Romero where the backpack was left very close to the village indeed, and Kremers shorts later appeared only a few kilometer away. The body parts were almost entirely beween the two locations. and close to Alto Romero No one not from the area could make repeated trips there. Also it shows a lack of sophistication about the fuss and forensic examination that that guide would likely not be stupid enough for. I don't think he had anything to do with it. When Dutch TV wentto Alto Romero it was apparent the residents were trying to confuse the issue so I'll bet the people there have a good idea who did it. The Panamanians' motives in covering it (and several similar incidents) up is all too clear. Why people are still choosing to go there of all places for a carefree holiday is an enigma to me though.
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Ukraine may have missed that a federalised Donbass though the Steimeier modification of Minsk would have been no real concession to Russia because the European members of Nato veto would have prevented it so the unrealism was one both sides from the begining. The Russians can destroy the Ukrainians' weapons and the West will replace them with better ones. Ukraine's fighting manpower is the thing the Russians would be better concentrating on attriting, and they seem to be doing that. Despite the fanfaronaded reiteration of Ukraine (and Georgia) joining Nato being made every year since 2008 by Nato, Ukraine joining Nato was a dead letter after the invasion of Georgia, so Russia's fears were not very rational. Yet that does not mean they were not genuine. While Zelensky was in Paris in 2019 negotiating for peace through a modified Minsk agreement that would have obviated any need for Russia to stay in a special autonomous status Donbass (because Donbass although a part of Ukraine could have constitutionally prevented it joining Nato). it was made clear to him if he signed then he would be overthrown by 2014 style mass demos. Currently, Zelensky would not be able to agree to any settlement that did not entail the return of Crimea (dubious the majority in Crimea want this), which many in the West are encouraging Ukraine to insist on as a rock bottom demand; it does not seem to me at least merely an initial negotiating position.
I think there is an unspoken agreement in the West to not say anything that can be interpreted as encouraging to Russia. Nevertheless, General Milley said Russia and Ukraine have taken 100,000 casualties each. Ukrainians between 16 and 60 who have been forbidden from leaving the country constitute a reserve army of manpower and yet is Russia substantially different apart from having three times the population. Men not machinery are the best target for Russia, and overall commander Surovikin seems to approve or he would have terminated the Bakhmut operation which the Wagner boss says is an attrition one. Now if the West actual gives Ukraine troops, Russia can forget about even emerging with a draw, but it seems most unlikely those things will happen.
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@FB-cx4sp The Dr is good on psychology, I was expecting that kind of analysis. One would think as a man Grande must have an understanding of the relevance of these being peak physical condition female humans, not old and unhealthy, and therefor giving men certain ideas. Kris was particularly striking, with unusual coloring and dressed in a way that drew attention to her figure, like would be appropriate for getting attention at a holiday resort let alone an isolated forest. She was said to be artistic and out going. That said, you can disappear going to the beach in Panama as American Catherine Johannet did in 2019. Possessions, pulverized bone and rolled up pieces of skin were scattered in various direction in the area around the village of Alto Romero. The backpack was found beside a rice field quite close to that village just as the searching was reaching a crescendo and moving towards the village. If I was forced to say who I think it was likely someone from Alto Romero or a farm around there that did it. On the other hand, someone was quite cunning with the fake emergency calls (though all were made during at times suggesting a midday break from work), but the 14 hours of both phones being switched off immediately after the first and probably genuine emergency calls suggest to me that the cover up calls-entailing long term planning- maybe were after both were dead, devised by someone different to whoever committed such an impulsive crime,--possibly a father or older brother of the perp(s). My bet would be they were targets of opportunity having passed a local(s)who realised they were totally isolated and abducted them off the trail. Possibly they were not alive for more than hours, although they could have been most easily moved (at night to avoid witnesses) to a nearby farm where the chemicals and machinery to dispose of the corpses that was clearly used would be present. I think that farm may be very close indeed to the little stream where their last photo was taken
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Can't have it both ways; if Russia has as good as lost, then it is presented with either coming to terms and withdrawing/ fighting on to the bitter end of what would be the worst humiliation since the Ethiopians beat the colonial army of Italy, or issue a clear warning of battlefield nukes being detonated on the advancing Ukrainian armym and if Ukraine continues regardles, making good on the threat. Putin won't take his vague rhetoric so far being scoffed as bluff to be a dare, but the war has not got beyond the point of no hope fore him yet. If as seems likely he realises in before too long that he is in hopeless military quandary, then what we know of Putin suggests that for him the thermonuclear option (an open explicit threat then use when the redline is crossed) is the least bad one, inasmuch it is a way to end the war and keep what Russia currently has in status. It certainly would end the war because you cannot fight conventionally against even very small H bombs, and no one is going to get into a thermonuclear conflict because Putin balks at giving Ukraine only a qualified victory.
China does not want to alienate the US, but China can't allow Russia to lose and be humiliated, because China is going to need Russia as a friend to deal with the US in future. So no. China will not isolate Russia. In a nutshell, Russia is not necessitated to decide against playing the nuclear non empty threat card at all by what China or anyone else's reaction might be . It depends on the Russian mindset. Do they think they are a third rate country?; because that is what being defeated without daring to use their enormously expensive nuclear weapons against the conventionally armed medium sized country of Ukraine would amount to for Russia. To be clear Russia will not be able to get Ukraine to surrender the currently unoccupied by Russia; no, the most that would happen I think is Ukraine has to be satisfied with it being a somewhat smaller county
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He is a heterosexual man who has made some obtuse advances, but he has a couple of businesses, and so a pretty intelligent fellow; not such a fool as to plant the possessions and the remains so close to his coffee planation, and then find some of them them himself. In addition to being rather old for such a crime, his cash businesses were doubtless hard hit by the aftermath of the incident. I think it is possible but not very credible that he has any involvement. The perp is more cunning than that. I do blame him guide F for failing to tell Kris and Lissane , as he obviously did not, that the trail was unsafe for unaccompanied young foreign women tourists, and they needed a guide--not as someone to show them where to go, but as a local guy with a machete to be a protector. But if he had said that it is possible they would have decided against going at all, and he was trying to get them to hire him. As for his son, this is not a gang thing, they are young macho and get young girls hanging around them; would consider it beneath their code to commit such a crime. Also were a gang member involved, his friends would realize and someone would hear talk and inform for the ward . It is conceivable the backpack body parts were planted close to the guide's coffee plantation in order to frame him and his son though I suspect the Indians were also scapegoat's as a plan B for the accidents scenario being disbelieved.
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The presence of voracious insects cannot explain why they took their bras off, indeed it is a powerful reason to think they did not do so voluntarily. If it was an accidental death documented by the night photo of an injured Kris's head, which the guide was the first one to say was taken under the cable bridge, the body would be in the river for most of the ten weeks, and only ended up on land when the levels receded, so no insects for most of the time. It's surprisingly cold at elevation, and there was some flesh on the bones from Froon's corpse along with a hardly decomposed piece of skin from her shin. So what probably happened is her body was in a jungle grave at high elevation, and the killer returned to dig it up enough to take a leg.
Kremers's corpse was probably very heavily doused in caustic soda (her boot was bleached) and the pelvis fragment dipped in lye again before being left (it was lacking any trace of the the super tough ligament that connects to the backbone) It must be borne in mind that this is not a horror film about army ants (or piranhas) but a real world event in which two young sexually attractive women who ventured one hour down a remote trail, and 20 minutes after they left cellphone reception stopped taking photos, then got transformed into a few bones..Dr Grande has done video on men who who killed women and tried to make it look like an accident. I dare say there are ones who got away with it.
While it must be accepted that things might have happened as you suggest in the case of the pelvis fragment, it would be a long shot. For there to have been no foul play a long series of long shots would have had to converge. That is what is called "overfitting" . Much more plausible than a prolix series of remarkable things just happening, is that Kris And Lisanne were victims of a double homicide. Everyone talks about the chemical state of Kris's pelvis, which was found while the guide was present, but much more telling are the parallels and extreme propinquity of the remains.
To be specific, the backpack was found by an employee of the guide very close to one of his properties. Then the guide found the first remains, Froon's foot, in her boot nearby. Two days later he found Kremers's boot. The guide was there at the finding of Kremers's pelvis, which was not all that far from the backpack and Froon's foot/boot (despite the presumably different buoyancy characteristics of these items). Neither Kris or Lisanne's underwear or tops were found. but both of their shorts were. One boot each, both bras, and a few bone fragments from each. It stinks of a murderer having selected items easy to carry from where Lisanne and Kris were covertly interred, and planted those remains and belongings to show both girls slipped into a river ravine. That $30,000 reward was an additional motivation. Criminals tend to operate out in a rough V shape pattern begining from their home. The finds are consistent with that method of operation.
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@_nick_d The last day photo is at a little stream , which has been identified as a couple of hours past the summit and down the rough trail, Kremers looks like someone happily posing for photos, which she was in fact doing. It was about 3pm. They had been walking for 4 hours by then. My bet is they turned around there, which had they got back (they didn't of course), would have been in total an 8 hour walk. I suspect you are right about one bottle being inadequate, but we don't know what water they actually took, just what was in the backpack when it tuned up . What we do know is both of them were wearing bras under their tops, yet when the backpack suddenly appeared several weeks later just outside the hamlet of Alto Romero, both those bras they went on the walk wearing were inside the backpack and neatly folded. I'm not a woman but surely those garments would be something a woman would take off when she was feeling secure , not lost in a strange forest. The backpack, fragmentary pulverised remains and Kremers shorts were mainly within a few kilometers of Alto Romero. We are talking about the kind of predatory animal that lives in a house.
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"A shorthand way of explaining it is that it tried to adapt philosophical thought to Darwin’s theory of evolution. So the way Darwin described the world and on the Origin of Species changed science, obviously, because he produced a different idea of what organisms are and how they relate to one another, and how they evolve and so on. But he also, as a consequence of that theory about how life emerges and how change happens, was a different idea of the universe. {...] Pragmatists thought that the purpose of minds is not to mirror a mind-independent reality that’d say the way things really are, even if we weren’t there to observe them, because that has no adaptive utility. The purpose of minds is to develop beliefs that will help us cope. And when circumstances change, and the same thing is true of any other organism when circumstances change, then the way we think, our beliefs, will change too. It doesn’t have to be set in stone, in other words",
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@kevlarcardhouse252 He was in the clear before the finds of backpack and remains, and after all the finds, which were made by his employees or him himself, he was still in the clear. On Monday, the day before they disappeared, F met and offered them a trip to his remote finca, which involved an overnight stay. Lisanne and Kris declined that, but agreed to hire him for the Pianista trail on Wednesday, but went themselves on Tuesday and went missing around the time they'd have been turning to come back (this was a three hour there and back hike on a well marked trail with no navigation required). Seventy two days later their bones end up around the unmarked village of Alto Romero. The backpack is found in the same area, virtually on the doorstep of F's ranch, the same one the girls had had declined a trip to. Small world!
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Deep down everyone thinks they are more sinned against than sinning. In 2013 the former head of the US National Endowment for Democracy Carl Gershman, , wrote: “Ukraine is the biggest prize" and if it could be pulled away from Russia and into the West, “Putin may find himself on the losing end not just in the near abroad but within Russia itself.” I think the Ukrainian were a trifle hasty in thinking that Putin was going to be scared to take military action. Even after 2014, they thought he could not be serious Anders seems to think that unless Putin agree to subject himself to whatever a Western MSM interviewer wants to subject him too, the West ought to ghost Putin, but he the leader of a poweful country that, whatever you may think, is not going anywhere.
He is not in the dock of an international court being cross examined. Insulting attribution, weighted questions, interrupting answers ETC has no downside for the MSM interviewer. The Russians cannot be required to grant interview to those who think Russia owes explanations. 'He is leader of a huge aggressive state angry at what we are doing so lets ignore everything he has been consistently saying. Great thinking Anders.
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The ordinary Russian is being told that Russia is doing well in the war. Withdrawals would come as a tremendous shock to the Russian people and make them lose faith in the political leadership; there would be massive momentum for complete change in the Kremlin, were Russia to withdraw. Not merely because Putin has a totalitarian propaganda machine and compliant mass media, but because it is much easier for the Kremlin to portray the conflict as a war where the homeland is in danger from an assemblage of enemies, than eg the White House could during Vietnam when America was fighting on the other side of a ocean.
The average Russian is not going to support Putin if he withdraws, and perhaps even more crucially, when he left his chosen successor would not survive due to being discredited by association, so before long so the whole system would be replaced. A withdrawal by Putin, or by any chosen successor if Putin dies or becomes too ill to discharge his duties, would be flushing his legacy down the toilet. He is better off fighting it out as best he can, and hope that Trump pulls off another upset and demands a ceasefire on the current lines. which is the absolute most that Trump could do for Russia. There is no possibility of Trump cutting Ukraine off and letting Russia win:: absolutely none. That would be a humiliation of the US, and Trump is very sensitive to such things; he still has not forgiven Iran for the hostage crisis.
Trump has said he would tell Russia and Ukraine to both stop and use the threat of massively increased and massively decreased arms supplies to Ukraine as a wedge against the Kremlin and Kiev to end the war (presumably on the current lines), on much the same way Korea ended. However there is no indication that Putin is the sort of gambling man who might take such a risk. The Ukrainians will not stop fighting and demanding a complete withdrawal to cease fire and Biden has said he would not tell Ukraine to end the war before they are ready, so are we supposed to think it is in our own interests to open endedly finance a massive effort to give Ukraine an arms advantage great enough to not merely attrite but extirpate an entire Russian army? Because that s what it Gen Cross backhandedly admits it is going to take, Ukraine ought to be strongly supported to hold what it has; yes, but even if the entire West were to try to the utmost, getting the Russians to leave or pushing them out of easternmost Ukraine will be an extremely challenging objective given their propinquity. Conversely, if as they more west in Ukraine to Odessa etc Ukraine Russia's logistic and other military problems would increase by an order of magnitude. As for the Kremlin following up total victory in Ukraine (a very unlikely occurrence) by invadin Latvia; the Russian military re not going to demur if Putin ordered what would be for them a literally suicidal attack on NATO? With ll due respect, I think Gen Cross is overdramatizing the consequences of not going all in for an undetermined /indefinite indirect assist of Ukraine.
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How can we square 'great powers are not above the law' ethos' theory of the West, with the US vetoing all international institutions' legal action against Israel over their armed forces behavior in Gaza? Like Israel, Russia has gone, and likely will continue to go, further that anyone in the West expected. Clearly, Putin places a much higher value on Ukraine being kept out of the Western alliance/sphere of influence than Western analyses comprehend. The job for politicians is to steer their government's policy in their country's interests. Be they large or small, the interests of no two countries are completely Identical, and so the limitations on a country's sovereignty by a world order may be theoretically absolute, yet in practice it is is always contingent on whether it violates that particular country's interests in the leadership's view. What small countries want is defence on the cheap, paid for by American taxpayers. Until recently even the huge Germany has managed to stay on the defence freeloader bandwagon without anyone noticing. Denmark giving its entire stock of artillery shells to Ukraine shows the girly men Danes have no intention of fighting anyone,
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I am definitely going to buy Sabine's new book and enjoy her forays into questions of the day, however I think here she does not come to grips with what concepts are at issue. In my opinion the opening Disorders of Sexual Development arguments has little or nothing to do with the actual complaints which are of unfairness. One trans athlete Sabine mentions Lia Thomas and I agree with the objections to her being in an all woman competition, and not because she had external testes and a normal penis when winning a prestigious college swim meet with pool and meet record time, and only 1% of female athletes manage to get to that meeting. The Spanish lady who was a high level athlete was disqualified from Olympic competition between females in her chosen sport. At this elite in effect professional level, where large amount of money are involved, trans are banned and biologic tests can establish if females have objective masculine features exceeding the level permissible for elite female only competition, and that is absolutely clear cut and will not change. At a much much lower college and other lesser levels, partially due to a fear of discrimination suits and possibly because colleges are at the cutting edge of 'woke' and anyway college women's swimming does not matter much except to the participants, trans women are often being permitted to compete as what they say they are, no questions asked . The problem has arose not because Thomas got banned from amateur competition against other men because of her being insufficiently biologically male, but because Thomas had been permitted to go from competing against only men in a certain sport to competing against only women in that same sport. That, although undistinguished while racing against men, Thomas had participated in a sustained way is a red flag. Whatever their chromosomes or unusual developmental conditions, that a person was able to hold their athletic own in male only competition enough to not be an anomalously slow competitor in an activity they choose to compete in against males ought to be the criterion for it being unjust for that person to transfer into a women only sphere of their already chosen sport. In all fairness, even very mediocre results against men in competition disqualifies a person forever more from competing against women. Some people don't care very much about sports of course; genetically engineered champions might end the Olympics as we know it, but genetically engineered physics geniuses ...?
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Ukrainians' elected representatives are the only ones who can officially cede national territory, and yes that would signal a terrible diplomatic defeat for the country and when hostilities cease Kyiv might see some changes, yet this punishment of failed elected officials by replacing them is supposed to be the Western way. Biden started as Pres by calling Putin "a killer", then had almost three years after a full on invasion of Ukraine by Russia to give ATACMS, F16s to Ukraine, and most dreaded of all by Russia, draconian oil sanctions, but did/ is about to do so only when he knew Trump was going to be the one to deal with the results. The latest Ukrainian strike inside Russia were on Taganrog which is a Black Sea port nowhere near Kursk or the North Koreans Biden was worried about Russia red lines until he lost the election but then starts expanding the strikes deep and wide so Trump takes power inextricably entangled in tit for tat escalation he cannot get out of without looking terribly weak. Biden is also giving the largest ever amount of US money yet to Ukraine and using the interest on Russian money to pay for the rest of the aid. The much more stringent oil sanctions will cause general inflation globally, and send Germany's economy down the toilet; not clear who in going to pay for the massive cost of EU convergence payments for Ukraine with the economic outlook for Bessel's banker Germany. Similarly, Trump is not going to be the one who has to deal with the fruits of mature mega-alliance between Russia with its vast untapped resources being exploited by the industrial giga workforce of China that will tilt the whole balance of world power irreparably against the West. So I expect that Trump will have to continue the war at the intensity Biden's own 'Christmas Bombing' has amped it up to by January. What I think Trump might do as an initiative against Russia is impose sanctions against China for helping Russia in Ukraine, which will kill the Russians' war effort (from microchips to spools of optic fibre for one way drones) in an attempt to slow down Chinese growth. German diplomats chuckled as Trump opposed the German reliance on Russia energy being cemented by a new huge pipeline, but Trump was right.
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@q.e.d.9112 All this discussion pf whether Russia would dare threaten to use or actually use a tiny specimen of its thermonuke capabilities to stave off decisive conventional reverses is highly hypothetical. With the exception of Ben Hodges (who thinks the RusFed will be defeated and break up but not dare use nukes to stop the slide (why?), the balance of military expert opinion is for Ukraine to push the Russians back inside their own borders will be a challenge. The US does not seem to be supplying Ukraine with the advanced missiles to really shatter the Russian army. My impression is the US objective is weaken Russia slowly and surely <i>rather</i> than enable Ukraine to win ASAP.
Ukraine has not accomplished a major encirclement, and their casualties are prolly running about equal. As Russia retreats the density of its forces in occupied Ukraine increases, and their lines of communication shorten, as does the front line. Hundreds of thousands of Russian reservists equipped from reserve stock across the RusFed will enable rotation of units out of the front line for resting and refitting. Xi merely said don't start a nuclear war. The Ukrainians don't have nuclear weapons if they were hit with them there could not be a nuclear war. Unless the US decided to start one which nothing in the Budapest Memorandum commits America to as it made clear at the time by insisting that what Ukraine was being given was not a " guarantee". Britain is a full member of Nato, and island with allies between it and any invader, plus an extremely close 'sidekick' relationship with the US, and yet Britain also has its own nuclear warhead ICBMs. Clearly, the US getting into a strategic nuclear war with Russia for any other country even the Nato member closest to the US ( Britain) lacks credibility. While I admit Ukraine may have more will to win, they lack escalatory dominance inasmuch were they to push Russia back out of Ukraine completely, Putin would always have an option to threaten nuclear weapons and them use them. Ukraine cannot make Russia give up and go home because Russia cant do that. I can't because it would not merely be back at square one, it would have ceased to be a credible military power conventionally, and shown itself to be a thermonuclear paper tiger. The reason Russia has so many tactical nukes is for using on China so Putin cannot let Xi tell him when he can use them.
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@stevemorse108 I consider the involvement of F to be virtually certain. One thing we definitely know (because he gave two mutually incompatible accounts): guide F has uttered untruths about whether he had a meeting with Kris and Lissane the day before they disappeared. I think he did, just as he originally said; he told of trying to sell the girls guided tours at the language school where he is the default guide . According F's original account, this happened on Monday the 31st of April and in his detailed account Lisanne read and Kris lay in a hammock as he was giving them his sales pitch. His card was in their room and what he said about them is consistent with what we know of their personalities. It is important to remember that the trip they got the school intern Eileen to book sometime on Tuesday by phone/ internet for Wednesday was to Alto Quiel, and on a complete different trail in another direction to any part of the Pianista and the continuation of a rough trail behind it.
A certain site (not Scarlett's) will tell you that Eileen was an employee of F, but this is incorrect. Eileen was a pretty young German woman who was moved around the various schools, and was new to Boquete. She booked F to be a guide on Wednesday for herself Eileen as well as Kris and Lisanne. Eileen did not see Kris and lisanne on Tuesday at all, so the book must have been decided on the day before. You really cannot beat Scarlet's site, the others are all all plagerising her and just making things up; managing to get very important details completely wrong withal.
In my opinion F went away from his Monday meeting with the girls thinking lascivious things, but is not stupid enough to have ever believed he could be the guide taking them on a hike/ tour and then have them 'disappear' on that tour; he would've immediately been arrested and be as good as convicted. What I think happened is he saw them and thought he would like to victimize them (or maybe just Kris) , but it was just fantasy for the aforementioned reason.
How did it go down then? The next day he may have simply bumped into them on the trail when he happened to be walking it, and thought he had the perfect set up to do what he wanted, and not only get away with it, but have no criminal investigation by faking them dying accidently because they were lost. They knew him as a trustworthy guide, and if just running into him, he would be able to trick them into leaving the trail by offering to show them something like a waterfall. If he had neutralized Lissane out of the blue, he'd have been able to control Kris quite easily. Of course he may have somehow known or suspected or been tipped off they were on the trail some way and/or had help, but I think him acting alone with what he'd regard as luck in the way I have just adumbrated is an underdiscussed scenario.
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The Major Error seems to be military subordination to and faith in the government: implementing Hitler's decision with the resources made available and doing so in the expectation of success although Russia was too big and well armed for the German force that Hitler tasked with conquering it. That is what I think what MHV is saying. However, the encirclements that the early German campaigning in Barbarossa enjoyed was substantially due to having the element of surprise over stand their ground Soviets (no Soviet plan to fall back to defensible lines along rivers) which would have been lost with more thorough preparations than the ones the Germany army actually did make. Whether there was any real blunder is unclear; it might well have been telegraphing Barbarossa much too early to have something as ponderous and difficult to conceal as an enlarging and reequipping of the German army. Hitler fooled Stalin and gave his army the best chance, they were careful not to waste that advantage. While the argument that a non-diverted drive on Moscow would have had its flank exposed to the strong Soviet forces unmolested in the south is a very tenable one, that is precisely why after some wargaming there was an Army Group South (and North) incorporated into the original Barbarossa plan. Army Group South had the job of preserving the flank of Army Group Centre's drive on Moscow. So the Soviets in the South would have been moving to fighting on a second and reversed front when they attacked German Army Group Centre's drive on Moscow. At this stage of the war the Soviets were much worse in offensive mobile operations than when defending ground, where they could use artillery. Lastly, a relentless drive on Moscow was not actually made although every German military professional was of the opinion that it ought to be. We can say a German offensive such as Stolfi postulated would in the event have probably gone the Moscow defenders' way, but you cannot say it certainly would have because Germany lost the war without trying that stratagem. Hence, there remains a possibility that going straight at Moscow, as not merely Guderian but Von Bock wanted to, might have succeeded. It follows therefore that swiftly going straight at Moscow with all of Army Group Centre offered the only possible chance of victory at that stage of the war, and ought to have been tried. Both Hitler and some of his generals share the blame. For an objective of Nazi Germany becoming a World Power, Hitler after having made the big decision for a rapid conquering of European Russia by surprise attack on the USSR, should have then deferred to the Army's judgment on how to do it. In the summer of 1941, Germany's Generals should have presented a united unwavering demand for a concentration of all of Army Group Centre's resources on attacking Moscow ASAP.
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@NadaYoTengo Okay, you have local knowledge so I accept that our person of interest does not spend his time there on an average day. However, he is very wised up about the internet and phones so I think when he does leave Boquete to attend to matters on his farm near Alto Romero, he would be making calls to Boquete to keep in touch with any new bookings and when he may have to be back for. He surely knows from doing this while walking between Boquete and the farm both on his own account, and while with tourist customers paying for trips to his coffee plantation farm, where the phone reception ends (so would other guides too probably). However it would not just be a case of knowing where the women would not be able to call the emergency number (hitting the unlock key five times would be all that would have been needed) and actually get through, there is another reason. Even if if they were waylaid too suddenly for an emergency call to be made, the phones being switched on within phone reception range might enable the exact location every 15 minutes to later be determined by examining the cellphone mast data. That info would not require finding the girls phones, because the call data is stored in the mast transmitting stations and could have been available as soon as they were officially missing. The perps had to do this thing well outside phone reception range, otherwise they would have been leaving the investigation a record of exactly when and where the victimization started. Inside phone reception range, not turning the girls' phones off once under the perps' control would be tantamount to giving a the authorities a moment by moment record of their movements while inside reception range. Kris and Lisanne left phone range at 1.39pm and one would expect that the perps made sure they had a broad extra margin to be sure. There was a guide (not F) who said he saw them on the summit/ overlook, but has since changed his mind and said he know realises he was wrong and it was not them. He admits he was there on the day though. Considering Kremers's unusual red blonde hair, pale skin of her exposed legs and arms, and Froon's almost as striking clothing and extreme height, I do not understand how any man could make a mistake like that.
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@NadaYoTengo Okay. I have maybe confused my commentary with counterfactual 'mights' in the perpetrators mind.. Back to basics. In a nutshell, the perps knew the area extremely well, and understood they did not need to worry about the girl's cell phones. Moreover, the perps actually used the phones to manufacture a cover story by storing the phones for ten weeks and subsequently leaving them to be found. That seems to me a very above average level of confidence in one's grasp of such technology in someone who also had a very detailed knowledge of the trail area (pretty disparate types of knowledge for one man to have). Our guy is quite intelligent, organized and patient enough for carrying out a long term plan. Scarlet R is the best on the background, but Arnold Donaldson has the first principles right. Scarlet is very fair in making allowances for 'F' and his attitude now being a result of the internet accusations he has been subjected to, but if a couple of local Boquete girls had disappeared like that their Panamanian fathers and brothers would be doing more than sending him nasty e-mails, eh? Scarlet ought to remember that he never faced an investigation that began from the starting point of having identified the girls' deaths as a double homicide. He was not professionally interrogated. In an interview in July 2014, he said the girls could not have gone off the trail, but then he said the danger is to keep going too far along the trail. This is a slander on the common sense of two girls. One must draw one's own conclusions as to why someone who is so familiar with that trail thinks a 4.39pm emergency call by two girls intending no more than a days walk. and understanding they had the same ground to cover on the return was made while heading towards the cable bridge, (which they could not have possibly reached by that time).
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@zulubeatz1 Kherson was a Russian liability and Kharkiv an example of Russian gullibility. The surprise attack there was low hanging fruit, but as a result of Kherson and Kharkiv the Russian army now has all its forces on the East bank, only 400 miles with out the river as a handy moat, and as a result of the mobilisation, double the troops. In a nutshell the front line is shorter and held by far more Russians, who are fortified in depth and dug in across key road s that would be the route for advance. This will mean that any Ukrainian offensive will not have a weak point to concentrate against, or breakthroughs followed by rapid exploitations in light vehicles. Hence, to maintain momentum, Ukraine will need to mount a broad front offensive against Russians in fortifcations, who will fight if not skillfully, very stubbornly. Fighting real trench storming battles is not something Ukraine has shown much enthusiasm for so far.
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The Wagner boss Yevgeny Prigozhin, did ten years in prison and is a minion of Putin; Prigozhin fascinates the intel and deception machine of the west that is looking to cause trouble in the kremlin because the battlefield is not looking too good, but in all truth his current prominent position could not possibly survive Putin leaving office, and the idea of him being a successor is very far from credible. Wagner's convicts ( 20,000 of which 10% have been KIA to date) are not skilled but they are advancing in a very rigid way quite possibly as sitting ducks for locating Ukrainian positions (per drones that are always overhead of Wagner assaults bands) when the Ukrainian open fire. The convict Wagerites' lack of skills is a feature, not a bug. They are not there to take territory and are expected to die in the process of not taking it. Russia is not going to run out od robbers and murders they have a 100,000 srill incarcerated. They are not there to take territory and are expected to die in the process of _not_taking it. Russian men against American machines, It's only the convicts who are being killed, and it seems they are being used to locate Ukrainian artillery when it fires on Wagner's constant reconnaissance in force. Wager has 20,000 convicts, the planners of Wagner operation just get more convict to replace the ones dying, The bombardments after Wagner operation are greater thAT THE ONES THAT WERE TO SUPPORT THE OP. These ops always take place in daylight, all the better for Russian drones to see the Ukrainian artillery's firing. And sorry, but it is working for Russia be it ever so ugly.
If is really is good for Ukraine why do they keep telling the world that the Russian tactics in Bakhmut are stupid? RusFed individuals being lost there are almost entirely convicts and them being KIA is a saving to the Russian taxpayer. Bakhmut is where they have the firepower and Ukrainians standing and fighting and these are some of the best and most determined units in the Ukrainian being pinned or 'fixed' in Bakhmut where they are immobile and easy to bombard instead of being free for surprise offensives. Meanwhile the VDV (professional core of the Russian army) has been resting and refitting after being withdrawn from West bank Kherson months ago. I think Surovikin has the wherewithal for an offensive using his mst capable and now freed troops while putting the hundreds of thousands of mobilised reservists into the fortified defensive positions .It must be remembered that the Wagner convicts are there to die., A well planned defensive battle is to the Russian army's taste. It is in over extending itsele by advancing too far too fast and distant from logistic infrastructure that Russia has come unstuck. I think Surovikin would be happy to let Ukraine come to him, now he has a consolidated, fortified and fully manned front line plus in the VDV a large mobile force being held further back to be thrown in to a critical battle that will be on ground where Russia has the logistic advantage. And Surovikin can cut the bridges across the Dnipro when that will have maximum disruptive effect. If one was going to chose a place to fight Russia , south east Ukraine would not be top of the list. I think Russia giving up in a war against a medium size country on its doorstep would be very surprising, and it is not necessary to attribute their continuation of this war against Ukraine to anything but standard nation state geopolitical interests. When all is said and done Russia has propinquity and resources, while Ukraine does not have a monopoly on nationalism and people supporting their country when it is up against it. I would not bet on Russia settling for less than a draw, or the US /Ukraine assemblage being able to get an outright victory.
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@krpi7685 Holding the referendums and doing the annexations now does not fool anyone outside Russia, but it must be for a purpose and I think he is preparing the ground for the contingency of having to issue a credible theatre thermonuclear strike when and if 'Paddington' puts his paw across whatever front line exists at the time. Putin is readying a backstop in case the Russian army gets routed again, wants the West to understand that the personnel of the state including the military commanders in Russia are going to be given a order consistent with the long established decision protocols for an apparent proper rationale for the use of a theatre thermonuclear weapon on the rear area of an Ukrainian army driving into what by that time in Russian law ' 'is' as Russian as Vladivostok.
In a situation where America is retaliating for a Russian battlefield thermonuclear strike on Ukraine's advancing army with a direct military attack of some kind on Russian forces in and around Russia, Russia would have has already crossed the Rubicon of first use, although not against any member of Nato. None of such complicating factors have been well worked out in all their implications in the way a Warsaw Pact NATO conflict had been over decades, so there can be little certainty. Nonetheless, I venture to say it is barely plausible that after detonating one theatre thermonuclear weapon on a Ukrainian army, the Russians are going to accept that their nuclear deterrent to conventional attack is so risible to America that it can for example, brazenly send swarms of F35s to sink the Black Sea Fleet with impunity, while Russia is paralyzed with fear. Two things are thing is for certain Russia would be pathetically vulnerable to any conventional raid America launched on it, and another is that in the thermonuclear weapons' realm Russia can look the USA in the eye; so what would the Kremlin do in retaliation? 'Nothing' seems an unlikely response from Putin in view of his track record.
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Yes the soldiers of NK are from a backward country, but their determination, as all who have fought against them allow, is unmatched because of their medieval society. Internationally, North Korea is a Chinese sockpuppet, it was told to stand down by Xi after import tariffing Trump left the White House. During his campaign Biden publicly said that China is no economic threat to the US (Biden represented Wilmington, Delaware, the cooperate capital of most Fortune 500 outsourcers, sorry, companies). The practical real world consequences of Ukraine' theoretical freedom as a sovereign nation state to ally with NATO is losing Crimea (that Ukrainians soldiers would not fight for), and war without end. By 2022 Russia was through asking and it still isn't asking; this is a fighting question. These retarded economic development countries produce ineffective equipment yet soldiers willing to die. As with the vid CVR showed the other day, they are told that they are going to their deaths, but buoyed by the knowledge that their country will honor their memory. And this is a war of attrition.
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