Comments by "Thurso Berwick" (@thursoberwick1948) on "Thoughty2"
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@Fr00stee The stuff I've mentioned is all non-conformist. Most people are conditioned to think of the ludicrous examples, because it suits the establishment. In actual fact, a number of non-conformist ideas have ended up mainstream in the west, like vegetarianism, feminism, freedom of religion, cannabis legalisation or environmentalism; or have substantial support in the public like pacifism, self-suffiency, decriminalisation of drugs etc..
Even in these times, it is easy to divide people into "sensible" and "anti-vaxxer", but it isn't that neat, because many people criticise the economic handling, but have had the shots; or have been vax'd before but reject the current shots; or have had the vax but respect the right of others to refuse; or support the vax but oppose digital tracking ID ("vaccine passports"). There are numerous positions.
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@Fr00stee The majority of the population is V'd here, so if they work, what is the point of these apart from spying on the general population? That isn't compatible with democracy, in fact even East Germany never had that level of public surveillance (not an exaggeration - my ex grew up there, so I heard all about it).
Here is the point: once you introduce these, they are NEVER going away. Governments around the world will stoke up this or some other thing. Twenty years ago, they used "tear wrists" (as Dubya used to call them) to strip away freedoms, in the Cold War it was Communists. Same trend, different excuses. The European Union was discussing this type of ID ten years ago, now it has had the excuse to introduce it. Not only do these things track you, they can also deny you entry to certain locations. That is not a future we need or want.
"Everybody is already being tracked by the government"
The boiling a frog argument. Just because something is already happening, doesn't mean it is right. Besides which we aren't required to take our phones everywhere. That's currently optional.
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@aquaticcactus9897 You're displaying incredible parochialism. I was watching clips from Mission Impossible III recently, and they kept on with this nonsense, e.g. Berlin, Germany and Shanghai, China. Again, these were the only Berlins and Shanghais of any consequence. The only people who needed the country names tacked on for them are ignoramuses and small children. I'm sure there is a Shanghai, Illinois (pop. 50), or a Berlin, Queensland (pop. 12), but they are of no consequence. (Unfortunately, I have to spell this out for literalists, but I made up those last two examples.)
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@ugyentshering4589 I think you have an idealised idea of what democracies are. We know what they should be, but I don't know any which fulfil the definition, and India, by the way, is probably nowhere near the worst country calling itself a democracy.
Bribery and corruption is widespread. Western countries are better at hiding it than India, but why do you think so many American presidents, British etc prime ministers become so rich after they leave power? Prime ministers don't get paid very much when they are in office, but they are owned by big business.
The Chinese government lies routinely. It claims it has fewer deaths than the UK. Do you genuinely believe that? It is a dictatorship in which officials alter figures to impress those above them, and the government itself has to lie to stop its population rebelling. We do know for a fact that China allowed people to travel out of the country, while it stopped travel between provinces. So Beijing knowingly allowed Cvid to spread throughout the world.
Some people say the Chinese deaths are at least 10x higher than they are admitting.
By the way, I do not live in the USA. But QR code ID are a form of enslavement, as is what they lead to. The government should not be allowed to follow people everywhere or control what they can do. That's even worse than Communism, and it will.get worse as time goes on.
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@earendil261 I've tried a few thought experiments on how it might be possible. Most of them consist of the device producing a hot stream of water, which in turn melts ice wherever it flows. The nearest analogy I can think of is Iceland where they have jókullhlaup (I think that's right), where a volcano melts the glacier above it, sending out a massive flood. Obviously, that would be a much bigger heat source, and would work more rapidly. I think Mount Saint Helens did something similar... But you are right, it is hard to think how this could happen.
However, the device is a concern because it is supposedly lying near the top of the watershed for a major Indian river, which means there are serious contamination issues.
p.s. Thanks, my name is stolen from an old Scottish poet who named himself after two towns. I had to think of something. I used to have anon as part of my name, but then people started accusing me of being a Trump conspiracist, so that was that!
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