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  1. You mean... kind of like Xbox Series X XBox shipped in a series of boxes marked with X.
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  2. Yep, I think he was confused by the way the specs read (the 3rd slot is listed separate as it doesn't have SATA, it also disabled the bottom PCIe slot) , Also x570 Taichi uses T-topology but he must have forgotten since his review: https://youtu.be/OUtvsAmD3Ws?t=1222 BZ set me straight below the Retail samples have daisychaining unlike the engineering samples https://i.imgur.com/v6LLuTf.png
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  3.  @mrmarecki1  he bought some crazy dragon thing... that was part of a display.
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  4. Not really I am just ready to upgrade for instance... Had a RX480 for awhile, Then Vega FE, its time.... if AMD makes it I will buy it period.
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  5. He's gonna get nicknamed Pace Car Steve lol...
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  6.  @miou-miou-  Woah... people like you are the problem that don't reevaluate their decisions for 30 years... good grief you are so wrong it absolutely is not even close to being funny. AMD has the best drivers on Linux right now bar none, this does mean there is a several month delay as they are pushed into mainline but that is the nature of stable mainline driver support... you can typically get day one support these days by building your own kernel from AMD's branch of the Linux kernel or using a package repo that has it done for you. AMD has been the better choice for nearly 10 years... back then you lost some performance but the experience was so much better (no having to install binaries that might break).
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  7.  @GamersNexus  If you are buying an x570 board for in the $250 range it would be dumb to stay on SATA or a slow NVMe drive when this is the one item you can buy to actually utilize PCIe 4.0 meaningfully. Bear in mind this is an SSD that was selling for over $250 a month ago. If you are cash strapped you shouldnt' be buying an x570 board but optimising your build better, for instance buying a B450 board and getting a faster CPU if anything. Basically your argument against the best value SSD on for the performance on the market right now has no teeth. Especially since IO bandwidth has been the limiting factor on PCs since the dawn of PC computing. Even at silly things like windows updates there is a huge difference between a SATA SSD and even a basic NVMe drive.... at this point you shouldn't be using SATA for anything but bulk hard disk storage granted I'm sure SATA makes more sense for swapping drives a lot between benchmark rigs but that is a truely niche case.
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  8. @Gamers Nexus LLVM has nothing to do with "Virtualization" its just a compiler framework that happens to have an intermediate "Virtual Machine" representation during compilation of code very similar to for instance Java bytecode... except LLVM is more targeted toward ahead of time compilation instead of just in time compilation as the Java virtual machine is. LLVM is basically a modular library used as the basis of the Clang C/C++ compiler which is used on the PS4 apparently as well as FreeBSD and Mac OS and avaiable on Linux and Windows etc... also LLVM is used for the Rust programming language as well which is powering many of the changes being made to FireFox for the better as of late. Also note that LLVM powers the Mesa graphics drivers on Linux as well... being used to generate the code that runs on AMD's GCN and Intel GPUs. It's only a VM in the sense that the bytecode is made for an abstract very generic CPU that doesn't actually exist nor could it exist practically speaking (ie it has infinite registers and other wierdness) the bytecode isn't even executable... it has to be compiled by another stage of the LLVM toolchain into native code first.
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  9. Because a new chipset with Intel means a new socket... which means you can't bring your old CPU for the ride.
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  10. That is true... wierdly they are not all made on the same node though. So some of them are 12nm and some are 14nm.
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  11. I have an uncle who is a tech industry CEO... he was having some badly cloned and branded fiber cables made in china and kept stoppping them through the court system there, and in 2 weeks they;d be back up and running. He said instead of continuing to do that he just paid off some people to ensure that nobody started doing so again.. and they didn't. That's how you get results in china.
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  12. Us enthusiasts and early adopters that bought x370 boards when Ryzen was launched along side for instance my 1700x... well we are getting dumped on by AMD.... the whole point of through 2020 support of AM4 was pretty clear at the time, whatever CPU AMD was going to launch on AM4 would work on my new x370 board so I've been waiting to upgrade...well I guess I will never upgrade it since I certainly am not buying a board just to upgrade to Zen 3.
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  13. Basically this move by AMD means I won't be a person that buys two CPUs and one board from them during 3 years... I'll be a person that buys 2 CPUs and two boards over 5 years.... STUPID!!!!!
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  14.  @GamersNexus  You should probably throw this out there.... that RTX IO is mostly just DirectStorage, and is actually a feature driven by consoles, so AMD will definitely have support for it also on future cards. I think the first steps toward this were the hardware based scheduling driver updates (this allows the driver to allocate and map memory itself rather than request the OS to do it and this is a prerequisite for memory mapping files efficiently and DMAing them on and off the CPU willy nilly).
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  15.  @strohhuttv8848  Apparently you aren't a programmer or engineer so let me break this down, the SSD allows you to leave resources on the SSD and lazy load them with hardware acceleration (so the CPU itself isn't involved and latencies are faster) this means you cut the amount of textures you need to have in memory at any given time, which will vary game to game but still it should be a sizeable chunk, this means if you have 8GB of VRAM, you can basically pretend that it is 12GB effectively as you don't' need to keep it full of assets that aren't on screen. It has NOTHING to do with FPS, but everything to do with getting rid of muddy textures, the unreal 5 demo is a great example of this as it has 8k textures, and is also using the new geometry shader features to do LOD programmatically on all the meshes which means smoother and higher effective performance across the board with no mesh swapping as has been do in the past. The FPS increases come from better GPU bandwidth utilization by fewer cache flushes and potentially precaching, as well as dynamic LOD and culling on geometry which has never been available in consoles, the latter has the greatest effect on FPS.
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  16. Tim Sweeny says that because he has a programming and engineering mindset... and from that perspective current PCs despite thier potential higher performance are markedly worse in many ways, for example a PC might need to have 16GB of vram to match the texture quality that a console will be able to achieve by dynamically swapping in and out textures from SSD as needed, now PCs can do that to some degree but currently have no hardware acceleration for that and it would all have to be done by the game developer.... so in that context yes PCs are old hat. At the time the PS3 launched, 100% of games were using a dominate single thread, and that is a bad programming habbit that is still not 100% broken, but by and large most game engines are no longer built that way, as it is not the best way and is decidedly old hat when you have consoles with 8+ cores (aka all consoles after PS3 are multi core in some shape or form),
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  17. They AMD attacks provided no proof of exploit... which is par for the course. the problem is they didn't actually run these attacks on real CPUs but on simulations and then said the attack works... which is completely wrong.
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  18. RTX IO doesn't acutally increase performance though AFAIK... its just a streaming IO implementation. So games that use it will load faster etc... SAM on the other hand is a broad feature.
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  19.  @Thesupremeone34  Sun Microsystems created Java, it was slower than C/C++ pretty much always but it started out on 50Mhz machines and was usable... at that point Java was not nearly as bad as it is now but its layers and layers and layers deep in bad design at this point so far from KISS it isn't even funny. Sun Microsystems was an awesome company that could not compete and was mismanaged in the late 2000s. Similar to how AMD was mismanaged and almost went completely belly up until Lisa Su turned them around.
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  20. IPC does not scale linearly with clocks so when you screw with the core clock you throw it all out of wack anyway.... prime example is the completely nonlinear performance curve of Renoir due to having plenty of cache to keep up below 3.4GHhz but running a bit light on cache above that...
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  21.  @mansfield360  You realise DirectStorage was first developed for Xbox right...with AMD, and RTX IO is just a branding for the DirectStorage feature. Playstation also has an even more advanced than Xbox variant of a system similar to DirectStorage and you can bet your CMOS batteries than RDNA2 is going to have equivalent support.
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  22. @John Richter That's because AMD has used both untill and through 2020 when talking about AM4... regardless it was the understanding that when we bought an AM4 board, it would support all AM4 CPUs with BIOS updates, and the only real limiting factors might be the VRM and missing features like PCIe 4. Do I expect to run a 3950x on an x370 ITX board... no.. but I do think AMD should support Zen 3 on there and a 6 or 8 core Zen 3 under 65W TDP should work fine. The only reason for dropping these is purely a cash grab... and a failed one at that as they lost the money I would have spent on a Zen 3 CPU upgrade from Zen 1.... I guess I am waiting on Zen 4 or 5 then.
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  23.  @pl0dman925  If they do make it it would just be a refresh... of x570 most likely.
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  24. x570 Taichi at microcenter (newegg is cheaper when in stock).
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  25. There was a graph of failure rates by mobos with 5700xt GPUs... all the x series boards were pretty good, B series worse intel boards worst... so yeah I'd say the x370 boards are perfectly fine they aren't that old either and due to AMD's SoC architecture there is no reason for AMD to be dropping support for them other than a cash grab same as with x470 (which is just a refresh of x370 anyway with a few power management feature added).
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  26.  @raspas99  which one x470 or x570? I'm a little partial to the x570 Taichi myself... the 2.5Gb lan is a bit pointless on the ASUS board and it doesn't have the option to trade the bottom PCIe slot for an extra m.2 slot.
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  27. You gotta get this up to 2300Mhz / 1200Mhz on liquid... note there are powerplay tables online for 100% power and 2400Mhz/1400Mhz.. and an ice run at 2400Mhz :P people are breaking records on reddit!
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  28. BIOS size is irrelevant... they ought to just make a single BIOS..... and a tool to strip extra microcode out of it when flashing, and you just select the CPUS you need supported. For instance I don't own any of the original Phenoms that ran on AM4... or any Zen 2 or any APUs.... so that's a ton of CPUs that could be automatically stripped out.
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  29.  @whatisbow2865  AMD hires Davie504 .... RAGE MODE... EpyICaL...
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  30. No mention of Amds anti lag... is a travesty. It came to market first and provoked Nvidia to this at all.
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  31.  Brad Viviviyal  TSMC is one of the largest fabs in the world... if not the largest. Thier revenue is nearly as much as Intel's and they are only focused on being a fab.... intel has other R&D they have to spend money on. It's arguable that TSMC's fabs are more profitable than Intel's.
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  32. Remember slot 3 disables the bottom PCIe slot and doesn't have SATA electrically, also the board is actually T-topology which he actually did note in his previous review when looking at it under a scope.
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  33. You mean like Davie504.... RAGE MODE.. EpyCaL....*bass slaps*
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  34. lt lets you route displayport from a GPU with an internal displayport to your mobo, which will then let you connect up displayport over USB-C etc...
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  35.  @4fiHysteria  Well go get a x370 board and run a 1700x like me if you wanna be cheap :P , but when telling a friend what they should include in a new build with a decent budget, I would be wrong to tell him if he is going to get a Zen 2 CPU and X570 to skip the PCIe 4 SSD... especially when it's at an all time low price. $170 is cheap for 1TB note there are several SATA 1TB ssd's that are literally more expensive than this. I mean sure, it's a safe thing to ignore if you need to cut some fat from your build but if if fits in the budget by all means go for it.
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  36.  @lifemocker85  All Navi GPUs are already PCIe 4 but it doesn't matter.... and it probably won't matter unless you run 2 high end next gen GPUs together.
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  37. Been working on an ammo can build for awhile now (3d printed insert + either a laid back air cooled or external radiator liquid cooled).
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  38. I have two AsRock x370 ITX boards... kinda pissed at AMD.
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  39. Or just a super expensive cryocooler with a high enough watt load rating. (would set you back a cool 10-15k) probably.
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  40. Exercising that 1st amendment like a boss... perhaps AMD can brand some guns or ammo, maybe a crossbow (such as one design by Jeorge Sprave)... then Steve can exercise his 2nd Amendment also!
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  41.  @jamegumb7298  No you can definitely boot from cache with a BIOS designed to do so... that kind of implies coreboot which doesn't support zen much yet...
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  42.  @tisjester  And if you want to go Retro kitty case... there were actually a couple of these at computer reset if I remember correctly and you are in the Dallas area next time it is open and are willing to spend an entire afternoon hunting one down in that place lol. http://www.atxcases.com/Cases/kitty.htm
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  43. It's on a standard E key M.2 card... so you can upgrade it if you need to.
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  44. I won't be surprised if AMD switches to xGMI for the chipset links since they are bringing it in house, which would mean more bandwidth available to the chipset, if they are designing the chipset on the same process as the Epyc IO chip then why not make it PCIE 4.0... I imagine if it doesn't happen this generation it's almost a certainty for x670 etc...
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  45. @Gamers Nexus shouldn't you be testing with 1usmus custom power plan for Zen 2 since we know the default power plan is broken for multi CCD cpus... another consideration is people doing new builds, can buy PCIe 4.0 SSDs and get a boost in disk performance that is unavailable on Intel at the moment as well.
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  46. It's because PSU vendors want to ensure that you buy thier cables and nobody else's... the Minifit JR connector type is basically a defacto standard and if anything they are only making minor modifications so that it doesn't match other vendors. In short there is no technical or engineering reason why they can't they just don't because money and or liability if you use another vendor's cables.
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  47. Probably both... probably means this is what the HAGS driver betas were testing... it doesn't help much on last gen GPUs but suspect that they have the hardware in RDNA2 to make it effective.
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  48. The fact is they aren't and AMD is just cash grabbing... AsRock for instance supports the 3950x on my original x370 board.
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  49. PCIe 4... DDR5 doesn't exist on any board anywhre yet and won't untill at least 2021, and probably 2022 for consumers. Also PCIe 5 is likely what DDR5 boards will have PCIe 4 is a stopgap.
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  50.  @MazeFrame  Formally known as a "Widlarizer" https://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/blog/bob-widlar-life-engineering-legend/
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  51. I'm not sure why anyone thinks AMD's shenanigans with HTATI has anything to do with x86 licensing which nobody cares about in china... only if it shipped to the USA or other country that cares about our licensing. It's about AMD has the IP and does the development and they can just sit back and hit print on the CPUs essentially redeveloping x86 to the level of Intel or AMD independently is cost prohibitive... The joint venture part is to get around the USA blocking export of tech... so a chinese company has to actually do the manufacturing (and honestly it still seems a bit iffy), also the entire reason those CPUs won't show up through normal channels here in the USA is because of Intel licensing agreements.
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  52. AMD confirmed that Renoir on desktop has 24PCIe lanes (12 on picasso).... as soon as that is available it will pretty much stomp any intel CPU into submission due to having a new fast IMC and low latency controller, in addition to the availability of Vega + encoders etc on die. Also Nvidia buying ARM would be one of the worst things to happen to the industry in a long time.
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  53.  @sweetpotatox1007  THIRTY is bigger than 20, it uses more text....
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  54. @Gamers Nexus Don't forget that Windows 7 actually does have support for DX12 but only for select games that partnered with Microsoft to port them so it may be possible that CDPR did this. In any case they should have just ported the engine to Vulkan...
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  55. As a computer engineer... your dissing of the guy saying it probalby would affect longevity is out of line. The fact is you have a bell curve of console failures, that memory module running hot is almost certainly going to push that bell curve in the wrong direction. And that gets down the the bean counters again... and isntead of spending and extra buck to cool thtat chip they wimped out.
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  56. The problem with Navi is they changed a lot of stuff all at once with probably not ehough testing... the power managment for the chip got totally revamped (Vega 20 has it also but it also still has the old power managment). As far as the 5600XT... that's pretty obviously a discrete GPU to match with thier upcoming mobile CPUs.
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  57. As a computer engineer what you are saying is complete nonsense... UEFI is modular, chipset support and CPU support are basically independently developed in the BIOS. Only supporting a product for 3-4 years is considered insane in many industries.
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  58. Yep you did well... I'm sticking with my 1700x and x370 untill AM5 at this rate though.
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  59. Actually unless you OC... most x370 boards are perfectly fine. My Astrock x370 runs a 1700x perfectly fine and unless you OC or go for the 12+ cores then it doesn't matter. The real reason you might want to upgrade is if the BIOS is not stable on your board in which case you'll have to just google what others are experiencing on your board.
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  60.  @BeamMonsterZeus  The lan cards above 1Gbit are pointless anyway you should just get a cheaper board, an SFP+ card for $10 on ebay and some DAC cables... and let the good times roll. 2.5G-BaseT and 5G-BaseT are far too expensive to be practical you'll spend more on a basic router for it than a high end AM4 mobo...
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  61. Steve you should reevaluate your position on cloesd GPU code.... currently Intel and AMD both share code for thier drivers without issues as the so called IP just inst' that big of a deal since all of them are cross licensed anyway even Nvidia. Closed GPU code is so bad that HPC developers go to the trouble to develop thier own drivers to work around the BS that Nvidia pushes on them without fixes. It's very similar to the situation of AMDs drivers on windows, except AMD does have open source drivers they just aren't ported to windows, perhaps someday they will be (some of the code is shared between them though). Nvidia has no excuses for being closed, as if anyone wanted to take AMD/Intels drivers and build thier own it would be a billion dollar effort... and that is just a non starter, even Samsung is licensing AMD's GPUs outright rather than continuing to develop thier own... stealing just isn't practical. Also AMD and Intel SHARE OPTIMIZATIONS on Linux... there is no reason not to. This pushes the real optimizations down into the hardware, as all the software should function and perform the same anyway. You say bullshit like this, and then turn face when we get bullshit drivers.... you realize that its he very reason Richard Stallman (the old creep) even bothered to write open source code to begin with? He had this crap driver for for a printer at the time with closed drivers and it pissed him off... at some point he quit being productive though and became a software hermit... .but whatever that is beside the point. There are over a dozen open source driver developers at AMD at this point I believe.... making good money off open drivers... Also AMD goes as far as to run both their closed and open driver code on top of the same kernel driver, so code gets released first into the closed driver and then makes its way out into the open driver after legal review. Nvidia could do effectively the same thing, but they choose not to because they are lame.
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  62. He's a bit stuck in the past on that... and doesn't even run an NVMe drive in his systems. while most people buying an x570 board should be pairing it with something like a Rocket 4 1TB SSD or perhaps one from Corsair or Gigabyte which are two other companies with PCIe 4 ssds....
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  63.  @BeamMonsterZeus  This also is true, everything he did say about them was valid.
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  64. At least with intel you know you wont' be able to upgrade -_- ... and knowing a little about thow these things work... the reasoning behind dropping x370 is exactly the same reason as x470 customer hostile cash grabbing.... and I won't be party to it.
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  65.  @Capybarrrraaaa  Correct as that is only half as bad... alot of voodoo goes on in the network code of FPSs to make it that way, but you can't do anyting like that for input latency.
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  66. Watched more of the video and I have to say I agree... with one exception if you want to be fair, nvidia's vendor lock in habits (which are very MS like) need to be bashed. If you want competition there is no room for vendor lock in. If AMD doesn't have a halo card to take on the 3090... they need to fire Frank Azor... and maybe a few others....
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  67. Only if you have BPF JIT enabled... which is not default. Otherwise AMD isn't vulnerable to any of these.
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  68. Fryzen... thats one letter difference in the same market essentially as Ryzen. So would get struck down as copyright infringement.
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  69. There is no one else to compete with Intel/AMD is not right.. IBM Power 9 is right up there and can trade blows with AMD/Intel in supercomputers. There are some ARM processors in the supercomputer market that probably also trade blows due to having more local memory (HBM on package).
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  70. All It guarantees... is that I will in fact never be buying any upgrade on AM4 and will just wait for AM5....
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  71. And why is that... the chipset is nothing but a pherpherial IO controller... ram routing and PCIe wiring are not drastically different on 300 and 400 series boards and the VRMs on 300 series boards are pretty much fine for all the low to mid range CPUs expect perhaps some boards might not handle the 12-16 cores.
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  72.  @fortunefed8719  The Hitachi DeathStar
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  73. To be fair.. the 7nm parts aren't even that power hungry... an 8 core Zen 3 probably uses less power than an 8 core Zen 1...
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  74. Yes... they have done this since forever and sometimes there have been compatibility issues with some cards. I've seen some servers that offer PCIe 1 2 and 3 rates etc... also.
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  75. Something is wrong with the video in this stream? I can play other 1080P60 video streams just fine but yours is just stuttering and hanging all over the place??? Vega FE GPU... maybe something there dunno. Edit also... looks like this video defaulted to AVC1... I think perhaps it was choking on the 60FPS AVC1.... blocking 60fps made it work OK.
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  76.  Interlace  Updated from 19.12.2 to 20.1.2 AMD graphics drivers and it seems OK now? I don't have many addons besides videodownloadhelper and ublock. Also I use Firefox exclusively.
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  77. x570 Taichi has 3 M.2 slots... slot three disables the bottom 4x PCIe slot though and it isn't wired to sata but big woop. I just recommended it to a friend as a probably the best all around good board on x570/AM4 and it has 8 SATA ports which is good for him since he wants to expand storage in the future.
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  78. Read part manuals and google part numbers for a few years and you will be just like buildzoid :P
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  79. From what I can tell and even Buildziod has said as well... there is not a ton of point to any of the boards above the Asrock x570 Taichi's $250 price point *unless you have a specific need*.
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  80. Undervolting?
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  81. I was thinking like dang BZ is bumpin his WPM up.... then I realized he was running at 1.25x
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  82. Like... antivirus software, they largely do file IO and querying files and kernel information, so you will probably see you're already slow antivirus slow down even more. I wouldn't be supprised if the very popular WinDirStat seens a huge performance hit...
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  83.  @010203109  Eh add a USB/SATA combo card... and it will acutal put one of your PCIe 1x ports to good use. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Power-eSATA-II-USB-3-0-HUB-Combo-PCI-E-Card-with-Motherboard-20-pin-Connector/192881116444?hash=item2ce89c451c:g:4RAAAOSw3v5Yo~28
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  84.  @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Well dang, I guess it must have been like you said and they found that it sucked... I updated my other comments also to reflect this.
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  85.  @ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking  Just for reference and to any snuff out any further doubters This is a link to your photo of your retail x570 Taichi https://i.imgur.com/v6LLuTf.png
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  86. Hardly... its just a matter of not deleting initialization code for the x470 chipset from the BIOS... not additional work. Compared to the amount of money they would be making on selling upgrades for older boards... yeah its a trivial amount of work.
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  87.  @itsallgoodman8867  Well x370 isn't all bad either... at stock settings almost identical, the main difference I think is PBO may be a bit less capable on x370 but from what I remember it still works. You just have to be careful as few x370 boards have good BIOS support for Zen 2 and even fewer have BIOS flashback. If you are compromising the board, it stands to reason you will probalby have a Ryzen 5 CPU also which won't put too much strain on the VRM.
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  88. Steve...AMD just needs to make cards that dont suck, and the marketing will follow, it's a waste of time to market inferior products. Some things I dont care about like DLSS as its wasted silicon IMO better used for rendering higher detail natively.
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  89. You mean like an E-ATX board with SAS and such?
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  90. Explicit mGPU != SLI/CrossFire ... explicit mGPU via DX12 and Vulkan is the future. Also you'd have to be an idiot invest in coding your game in DX12.... for one platform. When you can just use Vulkan and your game and engine will run everywhere. Engines are where we'll see explicity mGPU showing up first.
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  91.  @GamersNexus  While this is true if you are doing a new build you would be remiss not to grab a Sabrent Rocket 4 1TB on sale for under $170... that's just a steal and would make the PCIe 4 sort of useful.
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  92.  @naveenbattula  DUUUDE... don't comment if you aren't going to bother understanding what I wrote. By all means bump up the CPU before going for the faster drive. Also that's a Crucial drive not corsair you are mentioning. And that drive is literally over 3x slower than the Rocket 4.... sure it's a good call if you are cash strapped or want to upgrade a different part but it's also a good point to upgrade if you have upgraded the other stuff already.
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  93.  @naveenbattula  That's not a good argument, it's like saying an FX series CPU is fine for gaming these days... sure it will get it done but it won't be as good and you will be missing out on significant amounts of performance even if it isn't something you actually can notice without reference. The main thing you lose on SATA SSDs is IOPS... which are important for interactivity during heavy system load... with an NVMe drive you may never notice the heavy IO occuring in some background task etc... I know people that up until last year though all SSDs were a waste of money then they acutally got an SSD in their new computer and learned better.
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  94.  @4fiHysteria  3x difference for 170% the price but yeah diminishing returns are a real thing. Faster IO will reduce stutter though so it can still be relevant in gaming situations. Or for people that do development etc....
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  95.  @naveenbattula  I mean a lot of people would disagree... all the people that have been buying faster samsung SSDs for the past several years instead of slower but cheaper ones. FPS isn't everything either, a faster SSD will be able to load shaders and textures faster than a slower drive and not everything can always be cached, when a shader is compiled it usually hits the disk and you get stutter. I do agree it isn't the same thing, but it's kind of a stupid argument, moving from a P4 to Zen 1 isn't the same as from Zen 1 to Zen 2 either.... but people are still doing exactly that incremental upgrades also if you are buying new and you don't have severe budget concerns may as well get one of the fastest SSDs on the market for not much more. It certainly makes a lot more sense than other things enthusiasts spend time and money on.
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  96.  @naveenbattula  well on point is that many of the cheaper NVMe drives actually have extremely poor random write as well like as bad as SATA drives. Anyway people are gonna build what they can afford or what they think is right anyways lol and like you say it isn't imperative to even have anything really faster than a SATA SSD... even if there is potentially a bit better experience to be had on faster hardware.
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  97.  @Jake12220  That absolutely is not true for dual cards as I said...before you went off on a tangent. Also mainstream boards dont have full 2x PCIe 16x they have 16x +8x or 8x + 8x etc... so mid you have a use for Multi gpu be it compute or graphics PCIe 4 will help inter card communication. Also these ssd is benchmarks you speak of...I bet they were ran on windows which has crap IO performance to begin with, so the reason it doesnt scale is windows has not switched to polling or hybrid IO like Linux has for low latency block devices.
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  98. that is an extremely gaudy card I'm I'd go as far as to say downright ugly...
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  99. You should cut the rad open....if it has other metals than copper in it....you get corrosion. Sure you can attempt to mix metals but it is generally a very bad idea.
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  100. That's 3 generations boss... Zen+ isn't a new generation its just a refresh of Zen 1.
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  101. Yep, its a good timing for cyber monday also people can watch think it over a bit and then snag thier deals with time to spare.
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  102. That isn't what was said at all... games that use purely DXR won't require any changes. Games that dip into Nvidia proprietary APIs will require patches for AMD. The jury is still out on Vulkan-RT I can't imagine AMD not supporting that at all though.
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  103. In general it is slower with the current drivers. I'd take level1linux with a grain of salt for now, give it another month or so for things to shake out on the open source drivers as they not yet stable and like he said FPS numbers don't meant a lot on unstable drivers as they can be broken in areas that speed up rendering but cause it to render incorrectly... I think the 1080ti is probably alot slower on Linux vs windows as well whereas the Vega card probably runs similarly on Windows and Linux. Nvidia tends to integrate with Linux graphics stack poorly as it is closed source... so things like slow 2d dragging of windows (like slide show) isn't unheard of even on a 1080ti.
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  104. Steve droppin truth bombs...
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  105. To the L2 vs L3 question... L2 functions really to cache things a bit quicker that you don't want to be in L3 closer to a single core or pair of threads etc.... L3 caches things for the whole CPU complex. L3 is always the most beneficial place to increase cache as all cores can benefit larger L3 means better multi-threading performance generally... while L2 increases aren't needed as much because they mainly are there to take up slack for the L3 and the performance characteristics between L2/L3 haven't changed too much, say for instance your L3 on the new process had to be 2x slower, well then you would need to reevaluate this relationship and build a larger L2 to compensate for the slower L3... if L3 gets faster you could even make the L2 a bit smaller! Think of the Main memory like a Sea, flowing into a lake and then into a water tower and then into your glass (the CPU) Each smaller reservoir only needs to be large enough to not get drained, if you have a memory access miss prediction there isn't a lot you can do, but if the prediction is working you can keep what you will need in the cache and keep it flowing to the CPU and all of the caches working optimally. The water towers aren't a perfect analogy since data flows in both directions through the memory hierarchy but it gets the idea across I think. For instance if something doesn't fit in cache it must be spilled back into main memory and flow back upstream.
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  106.  @nicholasduncan7424  "Not to mention PCs can already do 4K at 144 fps. It's just expensive to do." EXACTLY... you wont' be able to do the same performance as consoles 2 years from now at the same price... you'll be some significant amount above that.... that's just the way it is. You'll have a CPU 2x as fast, but games won't be faster on it, you'll have a graphics card that is 2x as fast but it only lets you go from high (console equivalent) to ultra (with little to no visible differences). I'm not a fanboy I have several PCs and both a PS3 and PS4, this is historically how it has gone... I'm just being pragmatic.
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  107.  @antc1442  buildzoid is the last hairbender afaik...
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  108. https://youtu.be/OUtvsAmD3Ws?t=1222 Edit: Engineering sample is T Retail is Daisychain just like he says in the review here https://i.imgur.com/v6LLuTf.png that's a photo of his retail board.
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  109. Actually no... a cheese grater with dual Vega Duo IIs is still only $17000.... with no other options except the four GPUs on 2 cards. And that would be double the FP32 Teraflops, and 25% higher INT8 deep learing OPS as well as 100GB/s higher bandwidth per GPU, and similar or better inter GPU link bandwidth.
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  110. Higher conductivity dies is a major breakthrough.... and mandatory if we are to stack high frequency dies. Imagine a Threadripper in a standard AM4 package with the dies stack on top of each other similar to HBM (HBM can get away with stacking currently due to low clocks, or in the case of Aquabolt large numbers of heat conductive TSVs). Hopefully they can actually develop some complex designs with it... that'll be the kicker. Also worth noting is this https://www.nrl.navy.mil/news/releases/nrl-researchers-discover-novel-material-cooling-electronic-devices but that is cubic boron arsenide probably harder to make than bulk which is what is being reported on now.
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  111.  @NovemberOrWhatever  No....what I'm saying is what you are trying to do is completely impossible. If you want to compare CPUs like you want the way to do that is normalize against clock rate not actually change it....
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  112. It's probably just a quad rank dimm... and the BIOS is just seeing it as 4 dual rank sticks. Since consumer PC BIOS / UEFI only ever really plans on seeing single and dual rank dimms.... maybe it just doesn't even try to intialize the rest of the ranks on the second pair of dimms since the memory controller has allocated it's max number of ranks already (8). Ranks on DDR4 are basically the same as putting another set of sticks on a single card with a select line between them. In the past there have even been 8 rank DIMMs.
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  113. So just to reiterate... alot of people claiming improvements were on FCU + the Crimson Beta driver for FCU update... it isn't surprising that an Nvidia card isn't seeing improvements especially one that has been out so long.
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  114. I mean AMD is guaranteeing that I won't buy a Zen 3 CPU.... by not supporting x370 I refuse to buy a board for a single GEN of CPU. Might seem a bit crazy since I've only ran Zen 1 on this board but the fact was I expected to be able to go from Zen 1 to whatever the last CPU was on the socket period.... there is no technical reason anyone has legitimately mentioned that precludes this being possible. I am an upgrade they left on the table profit wise because CPUs are upgrades... BOARDS are not. Zen 2 just isn't that much of a differnece that I'd even bother to upgrade from a 1700x ... yes its faster but not a big enough leap to justify the upgrade cost and Zen 3 isnt' enough to justify buying a board and a CPU.
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  115. To be fair GN is not located that far from a huge technology area on the east cost (I'm about 3-4 hours inland from him) and probably is fairly close to the server that is hosting his session... so this is probably all ideal conditions. Alot of times my internet connection can't even stream YouTube reliably even though it is "200mbps/20mpbs"
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  116. Should call it the winter mod, gotta heat the house anyway right!? Fires up the dual opteron 6386 se OC engineering samples.....toasty.
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  117. yes mobo manufacturers that use soldered FLASH proms are cheapskates its like a difference of pennies.
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  118. I can't believe how you answered the Vega CU question.... which was specifically about the new 7nm Vega APUs which have 8 instead of 11 CUs on the die.... the one and only reason for that, is memory bandwidth, the 7nm Vega CUs can chew threw that bandwidth and deliver performance at higher clocks than the 12nm ones so there is less bandwidth to go around, and over 8CUs would be completely starved. So yes the answer is diminishing returns due to inadequate memory bandwith on APUS, for laptop parts they could get around this but it isn't an issue that will go away on desktop without a larger IHS or some sort of stacking or embedding passive components inside the PCB etc...to allow more room for say a stack of HBM.
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  119.  @burdmate  Keep saying crap like that and it will... talk to people instead of interacting on line.. BOOM problem solved.
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  120. electron beam lithography has been around since the early 90s with resolution easily down to 20nm on adapted electron microscopes and 10nm or less in custom designed hardware, the problem is that its extremely slow... current efforts are in trying to speed it up by various methods like using a grid of electron beams all scanning at once etc...still slower than using mask lithography though far more powerful.
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  121. TI SXLC2 or IBM Blue Lightening DLC3
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  122. Steve, Zen 3 is still on "N7+" but the node is just 7nm... note they weren't differentiating nodes at all in that sense. They dropped 7nm+ to align with TSMCs nomenclature which is 7nm for the node and N7 N7+ N6 etc basically for the gate library and particular fab setup.
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  123. I will never buy a Designare motherboard because of the way your pronounce it... it makes me cringe. And sadly I think you are actually right.
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  124. Just to reiterate... 15W 8 core.... the lower end bins will potentially be even lower wattage with smaller GPU and CPU. It is unlikely Intel's current 10nm can beat AMD in the mobile space right now and even be affordable.
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  125. To be fair.... Radeon VII is a disappointment but not exactly bad, its more like meh. Zen TDP is a lame thing to put on this list... AMD has the best perf/w right now in CPUS... and the TDPs are fine, they are measured differently and in honestly a more realistic way...
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  126. overclocks microcontroller embedded in.... you finish the sentence :D alot of micros are super easy to OC by as much as 25% too... since they are often designed with really good safety margins. Actually MCU overclocking competitions would be really fun and cheap to get into... kind of like the pinewood derby of OCing. Rules could be something like no heatsinks, no non standard copper boards 1oz copper only, any oscilator you like, any passive components you like and a specific MCU.
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  127. Motherboard form factors are more so a hole pattern than anything.... please take a lesson from Wendel and chill. You can call out things and inform people without going on a rant like this which frankly is not enjoyable to watch...
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  128. Are you able to OC that ram any even if you have to losen timings a little it may perform better if you can get it closer to the ideal 3733?
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  129. They say they will have a competitor to ARM... NOT develop an ARM CPU... with Nvidia buying ARM it would be extremely foolish and frankly very pointless. x86 and ARM are not that different power use wise when they are implementing the same performance levels.
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  130. Right to repair does nothing for people that want the right to tinker... if you can break DRM to fix your phone, you should be allowed to break DRM to improve it outright as well.
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  131. A black PCB direct mounted to the side of the cooler with short cables to the fans or direct header connections into the fans would be ideal. I'd rather have to take the board off to service the fans... than ever have to manage those cables. Solutions don't have to be proprietary... what we have instead is a thoughtless mess.
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  132. 50 bolts and a bit of metal costs nearly nothing in mass production...
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  133. That's why they made it after all.... that board dispenses overkill without prejudice.
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  134. Cat be like... let me ESD the shit out of these video cards.
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  135. AMD has no shame so probably... gonna try to avoid a blower for the next card I've had a Sapphire Nitro + RX480 and that was good, and I picked up a cheap Nitro Fury X recently and it is good... so not going to repeat the mistake of buying a blower card (Vega FE).
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  136. OK... so significantely slower than an RX550 the slowest GPU I could ever imagine buying for anything even an HTPC. RX550 seems to hit around 50-60FPS with dips, at 1080p low.
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  137. Wish the Asrock ITX boards had that... the metal "heatsink" blocks get pretty warm on mine with a 1700x.
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