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That comes from it being a 2 stroke diesel they've always had good torque numbers when compared to contemporary 4 strokes because you get 2x as many power strokes per revolution.
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@ashutoshsinghchauhan2663 As well as extra complexity in spades... I guess its a German design so that checks out. It is questionable if it could meet emissions, and lacks the availability of techniques that achates power would be able to take advantage of with opposed pistons. This engine may scale down a bit better... but the complexity is a massive burden to this design.
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Honda G1 insight engines last around 300-400k miles... so pretty good I guess. Not much different than other honda engines.
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Exhaust and intake mixing isn't really a problem... and some gasoline engines are actually doing that to increase efficiency and clean burning. What it would do is decrease slightly the peak power output... and maybe a tiny hit to efficiency but the improvement due to it being an opposed piston 2 stroke likely far outweigh that (a 4 stroke needs 2x as many pistons to generate similar output or 2x the RPMs which also tends to less efficiency). Also I bet these engines sound awesome...
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One of the most reliable vehicles ever produced... the Honda Insight G1... uses a gasoline motor + brushless fixed magnet HV DC motor. Basically the opposite of what you described... it is still one of the simplest hybrids though. The only engines that are more reliable are heavy truck engines.... my G1 has 300k miles on it. And the parks showing the most wear is the suspension not the drivetrain.
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James Smith You mean fascist Japan? ... they are very capitalist these days, you might say 2nd generation capitalist, while we Americans have crappy crony capitalism they have collective capitalism (corporations are locked together in mutual agreements instead of free market) and are the 3rd largest buying power in the world. Unlike socialism Japan has private ownership of corporations and production of goods... however companies form what are basically massive coops to sharing ownership in each other's companies to varying degrees so they have vested interest in each other's sucess rather than promoting only hostile take overs (which are prevalent in the US these days)... if anything I'd say current Japan is the exact opposite of most socialist countries they even have problems with people working too hard being coming workaholics and dieing because of it.
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It's what happens when you design by committee and bureaucracy instead of just science, research and engineering.
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jabroni6199 2 stroke diesels must have a blower aka supercharger....it wouldn't run at all without one. The turbo provides higher intake pressure and recycles waste heat from the exhaust while allowing to unload the less efficient blower.
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@northdakotaham1752 70kw will keep you toasty for a long time... the model Y also has a heat pump so probalby will heat decently for quite a long time.
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A small opposed piston multi fuel engine would be 1000% better than this rotary and that is the sad part.
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Apparently constant abrupt stats and stops can cause excessive wear on Honda CVTs (pulley style) . I drive mine about 45min to work and back daily and while I feel it's reliable but I dont feel that you should floor it from a stop all the time and expect it to last. I think that is part of the reason Toyota added a launch gear....
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@wowfrosted13 'cept gas powered cars can be carbon neutral also if powered by biofuels and or solar produced methanol etc... EVs have their place and so to ICEs.
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probably intentionally lean power stroke to complete combusion... effectively an "EGR" stroke.
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@timothyfeist7364 To be fair... you should be reading the cop's question with Clarkson's voice and Jason's with Hammond's ....
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@py1211 The problem's mentioned in the video with CVTs are very real ... I have a 2017 accord with a CVT, 60k miles on it and its given no problems, but it is not efficient if you put the pedal down, and it is a bit spongy, initial torque is good but it just feels lacking.
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Calling a Modern EV simple is wildly inaccurate .... simpler than a hybrid, but vastly more complex than an elegantly designed ICE (achates power's engines for instance)
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It's because the NOx produciton peaks at a certain leanness and they are well past that into the area where it has fallen off dramatically. Also, lower temps due to SCCI having a more homogenous burn leads to lower NOx as well.
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@EngineeringExplained The answer is always Miata...
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@BrunoRaven That 11:1 ratio has nothing to do with flex fuel though.... for instance my US honda Accord runs 11.5:1 and is NOT a flex fuel vehicle unfortunately.... it also runs just fine on 87 octane. Flex fuel vehicles just have to adjust the AFR to the correct values for the fuel being used... that is all there is to it compression is about the same on a flex car... because it has to be able to run both, on an ethanol only car they can easily go up to 13:1 or so.
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Gets it painted white so he's less likely to get a speeding ticket....
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Because it was less efficient... way less efficient... I'm really not sure where you got the impression that it was efficient at all. That isn't to say that you can't make an efficient rotary but they didn't.
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@rustynail914 Actually the oil injector is prone to failure (they've had that for 20 years) if it ever fails your engine will die.... its better to just mix it manually that way you know what is in there for sure. On the other hand if someone borrows your boat and runs it without oil it will also fail!
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@Appletank8 Mazda's Skyactive-X required them to do calculations per piston cycle...they actively adjust per combustion cycle on that engine. So this probably builds on that. Older engines just retune gradually over time. But since they were trying to avoid detonation they had to do these calculation in realtime per each cylinder and combustion cycle.
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@Kraigmire Those new Mazda engines actually have pressure sensors in the pistons that feed into adjusting all the parameters for the next combustion cycle every cycle. So they are going a bit past just knock sensors already as those engines are high enough compression that any significant knock at all would damage them.
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Actually I figure the compression ratio is a bit lower than what you have suggested. Reason being is the requirement of a supercharger, which won't do much at low RPMs allowing for easier starting, but also allowing higher pressures at mid to high RPMs, the result being that you can operate in HCCI for a much wider section of the powerband. The problem with GM and others implementation of HCCI was that it only operated for a very small portion of the powerband and definitely not the "zoom zoom" part.... I suspect Mazda has fixed that with HCCI running for everything except during engine warm-up and potentially low RPM where they run the SPCCI mode as you described which frankly is still very good.
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@mglenadel The grades are a bit different in Brazil though... its basically plain E27, E27 with detergents and E100. They call them Comun, Adiditivada and Alcool. In the USA almost all fuel has detergents, and the difference in grade is octane rating only.
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Sounds like a complete non starter... you'd have a lot of people going back to their car to find it never charged since they were deprioritized.
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When my bro was like 3 he would beat himself up like a boxer and then fall on the ground.... does that count?
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Diesel fuel is not a lubricant.... if it gets on your cylinder walls too much it will wash the oil off an cause excessive wear which is why tuning the injector spray pattern is important.
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Then you also have to deal with port wear and carbon buildup.....its not a nice trade off. It really only makes sense if you can eliminate the valve train like achates power does.
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@noah22261 You need at least double the batteries for your microgrid storage idea... which is prohibitive cost wise and materials wise. Also you have even worse power delivery losses that way.... since you have to charge and discharge at least one more battery at significantly less than 100% efficiency.
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I'm used to 600mi in my Honda insight... drive from GA and back to NC on one tank. It gets about 62mpg (also there us a plug in hybrid conversion that bumps it up to about 110+ MPGe or higher depending on how heavy you go on the IMA motor). And yeah that does boost the range up over 1000mi... its just sad that 20 year old tech (mixed with modern batteries) is curb stomping all this new stuff. Supposedly there is also going to be a project to upgrade the IMA motor control to a more modern and more efficient control scheme also. Oh and the 110mpge is with 10gal of gasoline + about 100lb of batteries. Anyway going back to "technology that exists today" Why are we still growing corn instead of U of IL's Oilcane which can today produce about 10x the oil per acre as soy + 30 more sugar for ethanol than sugar cane (200% more than corn). Also Brazil is actually trailing Oilcane. If the Honda insight were running on Diesel in a modern engine (instead of it's 20 year old engine) it is quite possible we'd get into the 1500mi-2000mi range easily on 10gal... in fact the Honda Insight already set a record for this
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Liquid Piston's engines don't have apex seals.... not all rotaries use triangular rotors. The main thing holding back LP's engines is metalurgy as more forces are on thier rotor.
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ThePaulv12 they couldn't meet emitions without a redesign similar to this.... They can almost meet emissions with electronic controls.
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Premixed fuel injection yes.
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24k is pretty cheap... and you can get a used on already for 20k no problem.... bear in mind inflation has occurred since the NA was released heh..... a lot of inflation. Actually the sport model price is exactly the same if you take inflation into account.
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@jayyoutube8790 Wrong.... Ford has owned ZERO shares in Mazda since 2015.
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@jaydunbar7538 Nope... Ford has sold all of it's shares in Mazda in 2015 and even then it was already down to 2%. My dad had the same misconception about them... that said the Ecoboost engine was originally designed by Mazda and I would not be surprised if Mazda designed future engines for other companies.
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The Fiesta is a Ford... so the reliablity will be anywhere from OKish... to abysmal (check consumer reports). Mazda on the other hand has a nice tight reliability spectrum just a few notches below Lexus and nearly 50% better than average and better than Honda ( I personally own an Acura CL 3.0 with 268K miles on it)
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@sl8slick It's because they dont' want to store power... if you product extra power it has to go somewhere and that may or may not be possible... so the best thing to do is make the engine as responsive as possible.
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@overtoke Yes... almost every station has E100 and E27 there is pretty much no E0 since its illegal.... and since it is not anhydrous ethanol in many cases the corrosive properties are less.
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@danafletcher2341 The reason US doesn't have E85 is we only use shitty corn to make ethanol.... its a subsidy crop. A large part of US ethanol could be supplanted by genetically engineered cane ethanol if the politicians would get off thier butts. We have cane now with increased growing range, and that can also produce biodiesel from the same plant (so you get sugar for ethanol + 10x the oil from the cane as soy produces today for biodiesel on the same acre of land).
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@hopsgarage5513 If compression is high enough you don't need to... at 20:1 compression you almost don't need glow plugs and Detroit 2 strokes don't' have them (they get an air charge from a blower + compress that then boom all without plugs and as long as the engine isn't worn out they start up in a jiffy at above freezing temps and you can start them below freezing with some extra turning over as you mentioned). My 3-53 detroit will pretty much fire up on the first revolution.
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@LermaBean you mean you havent seen any biofuel in the US... it's not like the engines are significantly different it's mostly done in software.
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@type17 Newer? I guess a 2000 Honda insight qualifies as a newer car now?
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You mean an engine that inherently lacks balance....
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@raymonddey7403 Mazda hasn't shipped a rotary engine since 2012... and their reliability is in the top 3, and are cheaper to repair than a Honda... but I guess someone's gotta gripe, at least they aren't in cahoots with Ford anymore since many years. Many of their engines are non interference so even if you do have serious problems such as timing chain failure it isn't catastrophic. As far as skyactive-d it's pretty solid and has been on the road for years, Skyactive-X is only being rolled out very cautiously and slowly in certain markets.
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@lzh4950 Trademark.... not copyright. Things like names of cars are tradmarkable but not copyrightable. also numbers like Intel 486 is not trademarkable, which is why you could buy AMD 486..... then Intel changed then name for from 5/686 to Pentium. so they could trademark it.
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Running an engine that oil mixed in the fuel (boats, power tool motors etc... ) too lean will cause the engine to be under lubricated and it will get hotter due to friction and seize. The heat is for different reasons that some might expect though... not because the fuel is burning hotter but more energy is going to waste friction and heat. That said such engines are designed to run rich usually, and under lubrication also can coincide with running closer to a stoichiometrically "correct" air fuel mix which also means more energy is available to be wasted...
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@alexzanderroberts995 The problem with liquid piston is there are extreme stresses on the rotor... it does eliminate many of the problems with the wankel rotary but it adds its own. The stresses are extreme enough that it causes materials science problems to build it to be reliable. On the other hand thier use in military drones probably means the stresses and runtime for those engines is not out of reason. They definitely aren't ready for use in most industrial and consumer applications.
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This is all fine... but the problem remains that a very large number of cars on the road today, cannot detect ethanol in the fuel, so do not adjust the AFR ratios... so run like crap on ethanol. For the most part this isn't a problem for most cars unless your vehicle has a lean burn mode, and then it will also screw that up and cause it to fail to stay in lean burn mode by loss of power / missing etc... because its running too lean for the ethanol mix. My honda insight definitely runs differently on E0 vs E10... if the EFI were adjusting the AFR to compensate there would be very little loss in power and it might even run better but it doesn't. Also in the USA we use one of the worst possible sources for ethanol... corn that takes about a gallon of fossil fuel to product each gallon of ethanol.
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@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος It's still ahead because it isn't an EV... its a mild hybrid it only has 30kw of battery which means they can make lots of them without running out of battery supply. That said it probably isnt' fun to drive and is generally worse than the plain gasoline car in every aspect except efficiency.
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Because Germans don't know how to do a cost benefit analysis...
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Unfortunately yes... LiquidPiston has some good ideas (such as abandoning the triangular rotor that requires apex seals, and a diesel like cycle) They have military backing and not much else though... Ideally Mazda should just license their tech and combine it with Mazda's for the best rotary possible.
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A potential problem with BSFC is that it does not consider the volume or weight of the engine... as such a big giant engine that is very efficient would appear to perform better than a small engine. While in practice the small engine may perform better in practice due to being lighter.
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@CleverCheetah Definitely not... turbos are an entirely different problem, and it depends on if the engine was designed with a turbo in mind or not, if not, it definitely won't last. I mean maybe if it has barely any boost (5psi or so enough to counteract altitude issues).
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Cost difference of driving the cars should include things like Tires... in which case it can swing back in favor of a more lightweight gas car, which the tires will last as much as 4-5x longer on... as well has have cheaper tires. So $1200-1600 of tires vs $600 of tires 4x less often.... there went all of your fuel savings and then some. Also if you redo those numbers with the averages from my 2017 Accord Sport SE... then you get $100 per month in fuel (this is with my driving if I drive like a grandma I get 33-34mpg instead of 30) and $1200 per year in fuel over 12000 miles you'll replace a tesla's tires 1.5 times approximately if I'm generous going by what I see about this online while I will have used only about 1/4th of my tires. So, you end up with $1200*1.5=1800 worth of tires while I have spent only $200-250 worth of my $800-1000 worth of tires. Very curious to see how long the tires on your model 3 last! In my case I actually drive about 80 miles a day... so 20-25k miles per year so a huge deal for me. Oil changes cost a bit, and would swing it a little back toward the Tesla if you did it at the dealer but low cost 3rd party oil changes (to retain warranty I must have a reciept etc...) are clearly a good option.
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@EldonJohansen That is what I was talking about there is currently a project to convert ford Lithium batteries to a very large pack to fit in the insight... it results in about 110MPGe with a mod to apply constant assist.... so you can do things like have 3kw of electric power constantly applied to keep you in lean burn mode all the time up and down hills on the highway.
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@EfficientRVer The max range on an insight is already 1500mi as the record on a single tank... and I already get about 600mi on a 9.5 gal with the original battery...
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I bought a M1009 (80's military specced blazer) ... sitting at church abuot an hour with the door open as I have no AC, cop pulls in and askes me me what I am doing there. For real man? I am here to unlock the church and am an hour early... :D some vehicles just catch people's eyes.
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Mazda has a stigma for high replacement part cost and low quality during thier Mazda-Ford days... people have long memories about cars. It takes > 10 years to rebuild a car brand.
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Wouldn't an intercooler integrated into the manifold after the turbo be better than cooled EGR in just about every way? Cooled EGR works against what you are trying to achieve with the turbo... I can see how it could help a little but it definitely takes some power and efficiency off of the peak of what you could do disregarding cooling. If you're going to spend the money to put in a liquid cooled radiator for engine gases ... why not just cool the intake directly.
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@dougdanzeisen9608 Even the original 00 insight does that... its also so the Catalytic converter works correctly. The engine in mine is showing some age (sensors going bad mostly and some rattle) but... its got over 300k on it.
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The killer for this engine is a 3 cylinder would be as long as an inline 6 or 8 at least.
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In this case you get more torque and horsepower at the given RPM because it's a 2 stroke and a power stroke happens every stroke instead of every other one. A 270Hp 2.7L is very competitive with any other production engine out there.
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Konigsegg claims direct injection doesn't have many benfits over port injection with freevalve since the whole point there is to control the air better
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@cmitchell17a1 Mazda has also stated they are targeting even higher efficiency post Skyactiv-X
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When I get a rental for work... I always hope it is a Mazda.
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It could vary more than that just based on differences in air temp and humidity on a given day...
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