Comments by "Hakan Karaağaç" (@TheReaper569) on "Review: Inglorious Empire by Shashi Tharoor" video.

they werent industrialized, they just had manufacturing power of 300 million people in a world with 1 billion. It was the ineffective and unproductive economy that relied on quantity of people on production that failed immidiately. Lets also not forget that french colonized india before english and they had large parts of it under control, they just lost it. It was true that victors write history, in a world of self loathing and hatred for ones own culture the main narative is victors are to be blamed, the rest are irrelevant.
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having your soldiers starve in world war and making the world submit to german domination is something that indians nationalists dont talk about
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@otomackena7610 dont get triggered you are letting your mask slide, french did try to colonize india as i said, they failed you dont know the details due to your superficial understanding or lack there of and declare french never did. 1-im not greek 2 reading what ancient greek historians had to say about indian economy to drive a conclusion about indian economy in 18-20th century is a non starter for me. I dont even argue againts that. its failed from the get go
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it is similar to the open veins of latin america. "we re poor, its their fault" dont fall for this rhetoric.
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@prashanthb6521 things are not as simple as you understand form a wall of text in a white screen. Obviously reading a comment leads to assumption that people know less than they actualy do. Give the benefit of the doubt. " There are well documented historical accounts of India's economic might" -i didnt say india was economically poor, it was simply in efficient in comparison to industry, that is was traditional hand craft. And that tradition dates back hundreds of years so no wonder people got good at it, thus explaining the quality of indian silk and wool, while i previously explained the quantity part. "And you dont know this....according to geopolitics...every developed society falls prey to invading barbarians. Because the natives become complacent. This is a repeating pattern everywhere." -This pattern was described by an islamic historian whose name i forgot but his book got a showcase right in this channel, i knew it before i met here so when your basis of knowledge is a series of youtube videos dont make assumptions, you look stupid. As to the idea, i m not certain that historical patterns if there is any can be degenerated to win and conquer, live rich and wealthy due to wealth gained, get decadent and degenerate in rich life and get conquered by someone else. Im sure history is a bit more complicated than what a medieval historian thought it to be, that its more than strong man create good times lines of thinking.
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Western Left intellectuals are going to love this so much as a gift from god.
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@Anierutan Balaji i already know everything you said... and agreed.
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@otomackena7610 This is really strange because then we are in agreement. They did try to expand their colonial holdings in india but failed and english succeeded. Dont make that follow with " dont make up stuff" because no one did. Yes indian economy was "good" even in ancient times, however as there was no unifying body there was no manifestation of that economic power. Same thing with a twist can be said about china, china was doing quite good, but they also succeeded to unify china in one kingdom, in the 15-16 centuries their economy would rival europe combined as well, it is then denegrated that china being a colony or vassal in practical terms destroyed it as the same argument "drain theory" is made for india, i dont buy that its that simple. In china's case the emperor fearing a rise of a faction that he is not allied with, the merchants just banned all out bound international sea trade and exploration where as prior they would have massive fleets of 300 ships and explore africa, east indies, india, japan, sibiria, madagascar. So i think there was a failure on the part of india as well when that great economy was in the same age as that there was nothing but celtic and britonic tribes in the UK, centuries later it was the oppossite. Tribes were warring for dominance while British empire was on the steps of world domination. I see the same with other nations that were colonised as well. They failed themselves way before any european came to them. As the saying goes a great nation cannot be conquered from outside until it is conquered within.
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@Anierutan Balaji do you know what industrialised means? India had the manpower that constantly produced with old school methods, they had no concept of factories, just hand built wooden tools for spinning ropes and not much more, thats not what industrialised means. I mean machinary. Look up on date of tool usage by year, and you see that they had no methods beyond what they were allready doing for hundreds of years. "But had a manufacturing force of 300 million and unproductive" its not an oxymoron or dychotomy as you think it is. you can have 300 milion working and barely produce anything.
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@commandercoop2921 exactly what i was trying to point out. but we agreed nontheless.
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Maz Peters my point was that even with unproductive and ineffective economy they shared a 23 percent, its just that internet "intellectuals" cant read and it devolved into a shit storm.
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@talking_folk and we are talking about the 1800s.. at least we were, until people who are dependent on wiki started copying numbers and blamed others for reading wiki... oh yeah there is a pattern here. you
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Maz Peters you can't wake others when you are dreaming. Pretend to be woke then and miss the point we aren't talking about ancient India it's pre colonial and colonial era so miss the entire topic and you are on it. Go back to wiki
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Bidu Bidu you must be indian, i dont care nor am i interested in your subjective opinion of beautiful or glorious... what the fuck is colorful anyway.. colorful culture? But, you are wrong, the education system in your country must suck badly. Glorious?Highly doubtful you got colonized, thats not some glory there. oldest? is definitely not because mesopotamians beat everyone to it.
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@Mrjmaxted0291 you mean the comment? its there. mr attorney.
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@ggwpoleg6600 you are unworthy of response
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@Anierutan Balaji ugh i dont follow how quantity of people follow that they must be qualitative as well. When that many people work, even in worst of productivity rates per worker you will get immense surpluss good total as compared to europe, but on the rest agreed.
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@ArawnOfAnnwn i really dont know what the purpose of most internet arguments are, mostly based on misunderstandings, since it is difficult to argue on pure text.
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@Anierutan Balaji i dont think you understood a single word i said, you took it personal that i meant individual people like you were worthless or something... Internet arguments...
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@prashanthb6521 i agree.
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@prashanthb6521 its a bit more complicated than you think about the pattern of civilisations.. also warfare rockets to britain.. eleborate?
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Bidu Bidu there is a link above, you should check that out showing french controlled teritory., its not that indian history worths much anyway.
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Bidu Bidu you dont know what industrialized means
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Bidu Bidu "when you started saying that we must refer to wiki for the map of french controlled territory of India" i said no such a thing, you cant quote me on that, i said we can refer to a map created to demonstrate french colonial ambitions in india." "narcissism and arrogance" This is you indulging in your psychological reflection. "you still believe wikipedia tells true History.." -They have errors, but still far better than whatever shit you learned and didnt know enough to not call it education. And i didnt talk about portugal.. ever.. maybe you should respond to comments you see and not the comments you imagine. İf your education comes from indian government curriculum than there is a billion more people just as idiot as this example.
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Bidu Bidu please look up psychological reflection. Other than that, you are beneath notice.
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@ifori4856 yeah... no the issue is much deeper than you think it is, soviets were prepearing for war not spesificly germany but all of europe, germany attacked first but that doesnt change the fact that war was pretty much ineviteble. wait for russians to build up their army? or attack now?
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then you wont like the book, telling it like iti s...
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Reunite the raj.
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