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He frames it that way because he's on the verge of losing his medical license.
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@travisjohnson7065 It also isn't my fault the fetus cannot live outside of my uterus.
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@johncollins8828 That is only an estimate made by people. There is no national statistic on how many people are waiting to adopt, and many experts understand that the 1 to 2 million is a large over estimation. Only about 2-3% of couples who consider adoption will actually adopt, and that number decreases as the child gets older.
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Not for private sales.
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Maybe that's because everyone around you wants the right to their own body and you just want to take that away because you think you'd be helping. Maybe also because they want people who are dying to be able to go on their terms.
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Or that child could also grow up to be a horribly evil person. This is a terrible argument. More people who have suffered abusive childhoods grow up to be abusers themselves than vice versa.
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It's also not always good to have an emotionally charged revenge driven mindset
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1. That depends on whether the polycule is open or closed. If one my partners wants to add a metamore, then it must be approved by all parties. Otherwise, thats cheating. 2. Same thing that makes monogamous people break up. Differences. 3. People cheat because they want to be satisifed. 4. Same thing as monogamy. If you are with someone else without knowledge or consent. 5. Because words have established definitions.
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I feel the exact opposite, especially since they were providing false data, such as capital punishment being a deterrent to crime which has been disproven. The very foundation of the death penalty is rooted in emotions. There is no logical, rational or beneficial reason for capital punishment. It's more expensive, its not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rates
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Only if the woman is 5 months along or more. At least on a federal level.
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Ross No he wasn't correct. She is an atheist. She is also an agnostic, as are most atheists (and theists for that matter)
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@Avatar No, homosexuals can just generalize because the vast majority of religious people they have encountered have treated them poorly.
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Gracius T Agnostic is a knowledge claim, not a belief. An agnostic says "I don't know." Everyone, atheist and theist, should be agnostic. Most atheists are agnostic. They don't deny a God may exist, because they don't know, but they do not believe in one.
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Its like they think juvenile arthritis doesn't exist...
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Anyone who claims they would save a human stranger over their pet is a liar. You form bonds with animals just like you do with people, so in some instances, most WOULD save an animal over a human.
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False equivalence fallacy. You are comparing a sentient individual to a non sentient developing fetus.
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@Bong Valo You can ask for the insert and it must be given to you under federal law. And no, there are plenty of independent studies on vaccines. Guess what? Nearly everything in most vaccines are either produced naturally by the body, or something you come into contact with naturally.
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William Levy Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. She is an agnostic atheist, a person who doesn't believe in a god but doesn't know if one exists. So no, he wasn't right.
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@bellarose1562 Biologically, thats what is is. And it IS a parasite. Just because these words have negative connotations do not make them inaccurate. Sure, when a sperm fertilizes the egg of a human woman, a human is in fact created. So what? Why does that matter? Why does that change the outright shitty lives some people had because their mother was manipulated into not having an abortion?
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Not necessarily.
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@Im_BrOkE6579 Its a federal crime to purchase a firearm from a dealer without a background check. Private sales through third parties are under no such restriction.
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Gracius T If you don't know whether or not there is a higher power, you are an agnostic. That's stance on knowledge. If you believe in a higher power, you are a theist. Indeed. Your definiton is not mutually exclusive. An agnostic can be either an atheist or a theist. I'll break it down. Gnostic Theist: There is a God. (Asserting as fact) Agnostic Theist: I don't know whether or not a God exists, but I believe there is Gnostic Atheist/Anti-Theist: There is no God (Asserting as fact) Agnostic Atheist: I don't know whether or not a God exists, but I don't believe in one It's not that hard.
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Since the fetus is biologically attached to me, and ceases to function if I stop function, yes it is my body. Also, you don't understand how abortions are performed, though I cant say I'm surprised. Rarely are surgical procedures used. Also no, because a fetus is not a child and abortion is not murder. Go back to school. You need the education.
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A background check is not necessary in the majority of states if the sale is through a private seller, who often sell and trade at gun shows. Took me 45 minutes to purchase my first handgun.
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From the ones I talked to, no. They think this COVID thing is from vaccines and 5G towers.
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@rzqy I replied to you because I was offering both sides. You seemed to believe Sean had a potentially bad mindset. I simply said that could be interpreted for both sides.
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@kieranmooney3453 Which is impossible, and any entry level Crim Law class will teach you that.
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@tylergaye5457 Depends on where you live. A vast majority of the guns purchased country wide are done by dealers, but the vast majority of gun sales in my state are done privately. I understand that. By no means am I anti gun. Just pointing out a fact.
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He is anti-vaccine, and may lose his license because of it.
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Violent crime has skyrocketed in the UK. I'd rather be shot than stabbed or set on fire.
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No there's not and no it isn't. Its bad nomenclature, but its not a myth.
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@matt1325 Because coffee and increased intake of caffeine can cause a miscarriage. So should everyone who jas a miscarriage be investigated?
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@lsgold01 Because it's their right to autonomy over their bodies. Dont get me wrong. I think when the fetus is sentient abortion should be off the table. But to ban all abortions wouldn't fix anything
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No, plants are living things. But they are not sentient. I think you should try to be vegan if you can, but if you can't, then you should eat what makes you healthy and comfortable.
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Ethan Walker No, we just know the consequence of forcing a mother to give birth.
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@Avatar How very Christian like. Being disgusted by your fellow man because they happen to be different than you.
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So here's the thing. You're story is sad, and I'm glad you were able to make it out okay. But when you phrase it like "pro abortionists feel it should be aborted" you invalidate every one of us who was not as lucky as you were. You may not regret your mother's decision, and you may be strong enough to get through. But not all of us are that lucky. My mother wasn't allowed to have an abortion and because of that, most of my childhood was destroyed by abuse and sexual assault. I cannot live a normal adult life because of the torture my mother put me through. Even though I'm alive, and have actually made what most would consider a decent life, it was not worthr the suffering. To claim that just because we support the RIGHT for the mother to choose to abort must mean we don't view life as valuable or worth something is actually quite ignorant. And its condescending to those of us who are worse off physically and mentally than you. You cannot miss something you never had. Had you been aborted, you would have lacked the capability to care.
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It's not a myth, but it's also not really a loophole.
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GizmoRazaar They had no reason to hear him out. He was being a disrespectful asshole. He continuously told her she wasn't what she claimed to be. That's fucking irritating.
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So...why is cannibalism or say...killing and eating a dog crimes?
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@imafatboy27 I know. But if you're using the argument that veganism is wrong just based on "animals eat animals" then you should have no problem eating a person or companion animal. TLDR; That's a bad argument.
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But I do have the right to abort a parasite if I so chose.
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@lsgold01 Because it is? It takes beneficial nutrients from its mother and decreases her quality of life. Being a parasite doesn't necessarily mean its bad. That's just a inference you're making.
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Only if your buying from a dealer in most states. Though if a private seller is trying to sell you 20 guns at once...that's sketchy as fuck-
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No, it isnt fair. But it also isnt fair to generalize mental illness. I should not have my right stripped because I'm mentally ill on the assumption that I can become violent. That's a violation of the constitution. It wouldn't reduce the chances of it being in the wrong person's hands.
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And may lose it if these recent cases are found to be true.
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Because there's a difference between a non sentient fetus and a sentient person. Also, until we fix the adoption system, abortion benefits society and is a better alternative to neglecting and abusing a sentient child. Capital punishment has no uses. It's a strictly visceral emotional response. No one is okay with abortion. We wish it didn't happen. But we understand why a woman would choose to have one.
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@jakephilipak3363 Yes, because I've witnessed it.
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@karmen3652 Oh yes. Because being selfish is such a bad thing that no one good ever does. Or maybe they are anti-abortion, but think people should be allowed to die when they want. But you'll never consider that, because your too busy on your high horse.
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Yeah. One's actually honest about the insignificance of human kind.
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No actually, very few killers are sociopaths. Most murders, in the US at least, are crime of passion murders. Sociopathy is an actual mental illness
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We still are. Except I'm sentient where a fetus is not.
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And what about the kids who WOULD rather die? Why do you assume they would rather live in miserable conditions than die? Someone who has a potential for a great life depends on the caring of the people around it for that potential. NOT everyone has potential. That is simply unrealistic.
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But it is a right. It's a right outlined in the Constitution, originally set for use to be able to protect ourselves from imperial governments. Your country, the heritage, the culture. Everything is different than the US. You cannot compare your society to ours. Its different. We keep guns accessible because we have higher gun violence rates and want to be able to defend ourselves. Criminals don't buy guns legally. The only people you restrict by banning guns is law abiding citizens.
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The body attached to me and feeding off my vital nutrients is my body until it becomes sentient. Period.
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@vaguepepper4028 a parasite is an organism that depends on another organism to survive at the detriment to the host organism. So until the fetus can biologically depend on it's own, it's a parasite by definition.
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Its also sad how many people believe you cannot buy guns at a gunshow WITHOUT a background check. Since you can.
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If that is honestly what a Christian is, that's pathetically sad. You rely on a supernatural sky being because you cant make it through the world alone? That's depressing.
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Not in most states if it's a private sale. Took me 45 minutes to get my first handgun.
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matthew Pro life is saying you want to strip people of their rights and want to see children be abused.
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@kva5751 Oh hey look. Its the no true scotsman fallacy. Tell me...did you read the Bible? Because its very much pro-choice.
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Because the context clearly shows that she "loves abortions" as "I love having access to the medical procedure if I so choose." Not the act itself.
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@BlueWizardEntertainment Uhh no they're not, because there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales. The gun sale would only be illegal if your specific state puts regulations on private sales and you avoid those regulations.
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Daniel Evora If that's true Christianity, then I'm glad I left it.
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TheButtonMash3r Most atheists are agnostic because everyone should be agnostic. That doesn't make him any less of an atheist.
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Well then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life is against abortion regardless of circumstance
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Not so much false as it is poorly named. It refers to private sales at shows
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@casey_and_point I'm not saying you do not have trauma. My point was is your first comment is condescending to people towards me, who was permanently disabled by an abusive mother. My life is different to yours, and to portray this issue as a black and white issue is disrespectful
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@annefrank4657 And? What makes you think they'll live? You're just hoping.
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You want to know why people fight? Fear. And fear is the best power you have over someone.
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@carlofernelli Indiana. You only get a background check if you are buying from an FFL dealer.
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Still waiting on that evidence to show me I'm deceived...
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@wonderwhy5824 You're saying that as if you know that for a fact, when you don't.
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@keishasims3192 Oh yes they do. All the time actually. She didn't lose a child to a vaccine, or it would have made national headlines. I'm not saying she may not have lost a child. But not to a vaccine.
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@nf4866 Anyone who says a fetus isnt "alive" flunked basic biology. However, everything is just a cluster of cells on a biological level and "life" does not matter. Sentience is what matters. There may or may not be a grieving period because everyone grieves differently. Theres also a grieving period for women who have had an abortion. Because most women did not want it to come to that.
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@endefisto123 Kinda hard to be murder if its legal, since that goes against the definition of murder. And no. Someone who was "pro-abortion" would demand that anyone who gets pregnant aborts.
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But why should you have to commit to one person if you love more than one person?
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Not.enough to.go.around No he wasn't right, because he was telling her she was not an atheist, which she is. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms. Most atheists (and theists for that matter) are agnostic.
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@pavelthefabulous5675 That's sad that you've been brought to believe that. God doesn't give you anything. You haven't proven he even exists. Wrong. I rely on myself because I know what I am capable of doing and I know I exist. You are free to believe what you want, but how would your life and views change if it was proven to you that there was no God? Our nations principles game from what benefited us as a society to help us grow and evolve. Just because man can be corrupted doesn't mean they always are. The Bible was written by man. Just remember, you were born an atheist. You only believe what you believe now because you were raised to believe it, and through your own experiences, have decided. That doesn't mean you're right.
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@aiya5777 Atheists are hypocrits on what exactly? I'm an atheist and I try very hard not to be a hypocrite.
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You say that as if we would have chosen to be born if given that option.
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@landonmoore8822 Yes that's true. But in terms of private sales, that's the only restriction. You have to prove you're a resident of the state
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@aidedwarrior2413 Everyone's truth is different. You may find a person ugly that someone else finds cute. How is this relevant?
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There are plenty of vegan tattoo places.
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Fun fact: Everyone is born an atheist.
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AfricanH3ro Not facts. Beliefs.
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But laws don't stop criminals from having guns. We banned drugs. How did that turn out?
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Because it's foolish to believe in somethinf without evidence in an attempt to comfort you from a fear of death.
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@joshako You can just google Bob Sears probation. He may have violated his probation and if he has, he will lose his license.
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@enigmafiresup4658 Hate to break it to you, but the fetus is biologically attached to the womans body and is stealing her vital nutrients. Most women do not choose to abort if the man steps up as a Father. He should absoutely have a say. However, it is ultimately her body until the fetus gains sentence.
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Because people would have then brought up thats it not so much false as it is misinterpreted and poorly named. It refers to private sales at gun shows which do not federally require a background check. This happens on a daily basis, but its not a loophole, nor does it only apply to gunshows
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skiddly You apparently don't know what the definition of a parasite is. It's a being that solely relies on another for survival. And until a fetus develops it's own body and organs, it's a parasite. The again, you can argue that kids are parasites because they need their parents to protect them. This is why it's important to differentiate between life and sentience.
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I dont believe that a doctor would ever tell a patient that, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Just because you are one of the lucky ones doesnt mean everyone shares your viewpoint, and to force that on others is condescending and disrespectful. There are some people who genuinely hate their life, and preaching that they should be lucky they're alive is disgusting. No, its not easy to just "not have sex" when you body wants it. In fact, its extremely unhealthy. You promise some one will? Then why do so many children sit in foster care and adoption centers? Where are all those people? Oh that's right. They don't exist in the numbers you claim. Congrats. You made it. Not everyone does. And believe it or not, there are children who wo uk old have rather been aborted.n
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Its very clear you just completely cut out all the context. She clearly meant she loves the fact that she lives in a place that gives her access to a medical procedure without risk or fear of being judged by those performing it.
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@martacastillo6272 No, the fetus has half of your DNA and half the DNA of its Father.
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@martacastillo6272 No it isnt. Unique means different from everything else. You still have 50% DNA from both your parents. You're using a colloquial term for the word unique.
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@donyamalak The same species DO eat each other. In fact, many species are known to even eat their own young. But, they aren't wrong.
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@carliewright7079 You're not sick for thinking abortion is not murder. You're correct. It's not. That's not an opinion. That's a fact at this point. It's not baby killing. Its termination of a non sentient parasitic fetus.
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Its also natural to be poly.
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No you don't. Not in all cases. In most states, you only need a background check if you are purchasing the firearm from an FFL licensed dealer. Private citizens often sell and trade at gun shows, and private sales have no mandatory background check in a majority of states.
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So its now evil to want the right to what happens to your body. I guess you should be for forced organ donation right? If I need a kidney to live, I should just be able to take it from someone right? They won't die, and my life matters more. Also, abortion is not and has never been convenient.
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@celestialseasonings4160 Because if doctors can't do it, a woman will turn to aborting it herself. You can literally force the body to miscarry. Then where will you be? You will inevitably have to jail woman who miscarried naturally.
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They weren't talking about stores. They were talking about shows. I mean, she's still misinformed, but for the wrong reasons.
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You do not speak for everyone. Your experience is only for yourself. I aborted my first child, and while I wish things could have ended differently, I don't regret my decision. I did what I had to.
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@brandipityha9457 35 of the 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. So, you are mistaken.
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@keishasims3192 Thats a lie. No one has died as a result of a vaccine in the US since 1990.
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How is it cheating if everyone consents? That...wouldn't be cheating.
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@ex-trinitarian5196 Neither do Atheists.
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Risthebest YT The fetus is not it's own body at the time of most abortions. It is not separate from the mother and is only developing that body by taking vital nutrients from her. Life is not the problem here. The fetus is not sentient, while the mother is. Forcing a mother to give birth to a child she can't handle will only result in neglect and abuse. Most pro choice people don't like abortions and wish they didn't happen. But we understand why a woman would make that choice.
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EP Sentric Atheism is not a religion. Atheists do not believe that there is no god. Atheists lack a belief in a God. Quantum mechanics may explain how something could come from nothing, but I digress. The big bang didn't just happen. Natural events that take place every day eventually led up to the big bang. You claim something can't come from nothing. Well then what created God? He created himself or he's always been here? I could make the same argument for the universe. The burden or proof falls on you. And the most honest position to take is to withhold a belief in something until it's been proven with testable evidence
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Sorry, but until that fetus becomes sentient, it is my choice what to do with it. Also, yes it is my body. It is only developing because it is being a parasite on me.
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@humanbeing3056 Its not my job to do anything. It's my job to make an informed decision about what goes on inside my body. No, my body does not belong to anyone but myself, and if I cannot care for it, I have the right to abort it. Sentience is achieved between 10 and 12 weeks when the brainstem finishes development. The heartbeat does not beat independently from the mother until between 9 and 12 weeks, although sometimes you can hear it as early as 6 or 7. Also, murder by definition is unlawful. So no, abortion is not murder. I believe it should be a last resort, but I think you're a very cruel person if you want to see children abused and neglected by people who aren't capable of caring for them.
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Go back to the dark ages.
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@mikaylacabrera7961 Or, I don't know, commit to the people who make you happy? Even if its more than one person? I'm saddened that people think polyamorous love is just "lust" and is somehow worse.
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She's saying that like platonic relationships, the brain is capable of having a romantic relationship with more than one person.
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You don't own another person. You absolutely do not have any power in the final decision. You absolutely should speak up and talk to your partner, but you don't own her body anymore than the fetus does.
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Or you can just go to a show, find a private seller, and buy a gun for no check and about half the money.
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@brycejackson9805 But that doesn't fit the definition of cheating.
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Allowing someone the choice over what to do is the "moral high ground" over forcing your belief onto another.
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@abdouliverpool247 Haha. I tried. I tried and was stopped, because we don't have a right to die in this state. I don't believe in Hell. I'm not grateful. I've been permanently disabled by a mother who couldn't raise me and a broken system. Fuck your faith.
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@martacastillo6272 Unique: being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. That is a lie. Your DNA is similar to your parents just in a different order.
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Not everyone believes in your 2000 year old nonsense book. Also, shall we go over the verses that have no problem ripping the unborn from their mother?
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@travisjohnson7065 If it wasn't an option they wanted, then it wasn't an option at all.
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LIL Podious jr. lll Not quite knowing how or why something is here doesn't mean you should attribute it to the supernatural. Saying God created the universe doesn't make sense. For all you know, the universe has always been here. Humans evolved over billions of years. I don't need a creator to know how I got the way I did.
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@FemboyGaming420 No it shouldn't in my humble opinion. I understand the sentiment, but Dahmer and Bundy both confessed. Ultimately, the death penalty does nothing beneficial.
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Because they aren't sentient. Their rights are equal to yours. They do not supercede yours.
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@tealwashablemarker8886 Oh? Then in that case, I need a kidney to survive. You should be obligated by law to give me one of yours if you're a match, even if it causes you lifelong problems. After all, my right to life supersedes your right to bodily autonomy.
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Mind your own business. If I choose to end my own life or a woman chooses to have an abortion, that is none of your business.
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No, facts require evidence.
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Don't know, don't really care. If you're trying to turn this into an "origin of life" question, abiogensis may explain how life formed from non life.
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@The-Azure-Knight No he didn't. And he wasn't right.
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@kw7142 Depends on how deep of a coma they're in. I would say most people of you asked would prefer death to a comatose. I have no moral issue with pulling the plug in someone who is braindead
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But they are also making unvalid and, frankly, false claims, such as the death penalty being a deterrent or less expensive. These simply are false narratives, and this issue should be based on facts. Not emotion.
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@rileyvirgil7856 Facts require evidence. Not some book that says rape, slavery and genocide is fine.
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@Кремль Why would I worship something that has never shown compelling evidence of existence? Why would I worship someone who's wrathful?
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@casey_and_point No, I definitely wish my mother had aborted me. I definitely don't believe the struggles I have are worth life. And many others feel the same.
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INDIA SAMONE Stand firm on what the bible says...except when it comes to topics you don't agree with. Like slavery, rape and murder. If you look at the bible for your sense of morality, you should be in a prison cell.
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The gun show loophole is poor nomenclature referring to the private sales of guns at shows which do not require a background check.
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If the sale is private, there isn't.
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Facts require evidence. Baseless assertions made in faith are not facts.
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@travisjohnson7065 That's not comparable. I wasn't talking about a physical option. I was talking about an individual option. At 38, they would have been a high risk pregnancy. We have no idea why they aborted, so to say there was an option isn't true.
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Yes she does. An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in God, which she clearly does. It's the old man who doesn't know what an atheist is, or that most atheists are also agnostics.
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@britishmgtow7251 And you will not save anyone by doing this. You'll just increase the number of fetal deaths and raise child abuse and neglect rates.
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@themasterrocks557 I can understand that. That woman is definitely over dramatic.
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That doesn't make us hypocritical. We didn't get the choice to be born. Some of us wish we had been aborted. Also, you don't know what the word "irony" means.
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@MyChannel-eo8ic Because that's all the death penalty is. Its posturing. "You took away my loved one from me, so I demand you give up your life in exchange". That is the literal definition of revenge. Your metaphor makes no sense. You can make a person pay for a crime without demanding they die.
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Ashley Ayers Everyone is a hypocrite in some aspects. If I was killed in womb, I still wouldn't care, because I would have lacked a brainstem needed to care. A fetus is not a child. Only when you truly look from other perspectives and see why women have abortions, cab you fix the problem that will end the need for abortions.
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If hell exists, your God is a monster unworthy of love and affection.
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It is my right. I have a right to bodily autonomy. Also "innocent life?" You don't think that's a bit vague? Animals used for slaughter are "innocent life". Adoption isn't always an option, doesn't guarantee happiness or safety for the child, and is not a solution to unwanted pregnancy. Because sometimes death is better than life.
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Then I wouldn't be here and I wouldn't have cared. How is this an argument?
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@kw7142 Theres a difference between life and sentience, and its sentience that counts. I think abortion should be a last possible resort, but I would rather see a non sentient fetus aborted than a sentient child abused and neglected by an unfit parent. I don't necessarily have an argument for abortion so much as I have an argument for the right to an abortion. I wish to one day live in a world where abortion is no lo longer done or needed
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Facts need to be based in evidence.
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@k.legendk.legend2712 Personal anecdotal feelings does not equate to facts.
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@k.legendk.legend2712 There are no signs from God. There are only person experiences you have that you attribute to God, because that was what you were raised to believe. That doesn't prove he exists.
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Fallacious argument.
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People may have such a hard time because there are literally thousands of Gods worshipped, without any evidence of which ones are real, and these beings constantly contradict themselves in their supposed holy texts.
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You don't know anything. You just have a strong belief in it. Claiming to know that just makes you either delusional or a liar. Heaven and hell exists? Provide the evidence for that. Everyone is going somewhere? Provide the evidence of that. Just because you claim the Bible is true, which means blantently ignoring parts we can show are false, doesn't make it so.
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Just so you know, if you support abortion in rape, incest and medical emergency situations, you are not pro-life. You are pro-choice. You are also pro-choice if you support a person's right to die on their terms. If you're standing for citizens, you need to stand for people's right to liberty. That is a right to an abortion.
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@ThomasNguyen7 Private sales OCCUR at gun shows. A private sale is any transaction that occurs between two third parties. I'm not blaming gun shows for anything. I'm simply saying that the statement "you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check" is false.
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I seriously hope you're a troll and this response gave you the attention you want.
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That sounds like huge bias.
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@Coaster Creator You know damn well that's a flat out lie.
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They aren't defensive. They're irritated about being interrupted, especially by a person who does not know what he is talking about.
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That is called the God of the Gaps fallacy. We know how the mountains and oceans formed. There are perfectly logical natural geologic processes that explain this. We've made it through hard times because of our evolved brains. Hard times that, if he is real, God caused in the first place. No. Thats biology. Has nothing to do with God.
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You'd then be wrong. Try looking at statistics.
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Haven't you noticed that evey argument for pro-life is hypocritical and uncaring?
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She did know what an atheist was. It was Jeremy who didn't. Also, life isn't inherently important. You mean nothing in the grand scheme of it all. Your importance in life is a choice you make.
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@nilajaaaandreaaa8916 Did you get permission from your father/husband to be on Youtube? You know...since your property? Also, since you clearly aren't in jail, you clearly don't follow every word of the Bible.
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Because it is. Its the right to liberty.
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@user-pv9pv4xf9c An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. You are confusing an atheist with an anti theist.
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I never understand how being skeptical of a claim that has 0 evidence makes me the fool.
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@karmen3652 You proved my point.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg Which affects millions of people, because there would be laws put into effect that would make it a crime to get an abortion in another state. The right to abortion is a constitutional one. It will never be overturned.
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Then tell the poor old man to stop being a close minded and rude asshole.
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Good and evil are terms we as humans invented. It is not inherent and it changes with time and culture. Adam never existed. We know this as a fact.
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Then monogamy is possessive.
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@DaegonTheSternguard Dear religious person: Your belief is entirely valid, but my hatred towards your religion has nothing to do with your belief. My hatred for your religion stems entirely for what that religion has done to myself and people I love. So stop believeing my hatred of your religion means an attack on you. You are not defined by your belief
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Imagine not knowing what murder means.
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Atheists do not bear any burden of proof, unless they are anti-theists.
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Yes, exactly. Because it is our rights.
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@jenamiahhjunee1153 Death is better than suffering.
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She didn't say that. She just said that she doesn't have inherent value. I.e. she isn't valuable just on the basis that she exists. That's not sad. That's just the truth. Value is a descriptive term. Not a prescriptive one.
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"Learning about the Bible made me a Christian. Reading the Bible made me an Atheist."
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No, I doubt it. There is a very clear and distinct difference between a sentient seperate human and a non-sentient zygote/fetus reliant of the body of another for development. Abortion will always be around.
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@ThomasNguyen7 No, I didn't prove your point. My point remains that private sale CAN OCCUR at gunshows. All of my guns were purchased at shows. All of my guns were purchased privately. Never had a background check. Do you understand now?
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@luissuarez2333 I'm evidence that my parents had sex and their abortion failed.
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Mice Ears No he wasn't. He told her she wasn't an atheist when she clearly said she didn't believe in a god. Yes she's agnostic, but that should be obvious.
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I hope you're joking...
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And you know that how? I'm well off and I'm an atheist.
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@vaguepepper4028 I never said parasites are inherently negative. They aren't. Also no. When my health and welfare deteriorates because of a non-sentient entity, then it is my right and choice (at least in the US) to terminate it. Abortions should be a last resort, but is an option for a reason
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CutsiePie 389.0 In a sense. I just think people should be free to believe what they want. I shouldn't be allowed to make laws to prevent people from believing and religious beliefs shouldn't be forced on me.
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Not really since he was flat out wrong.
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How is the disbelief in something without evidence irrational? I would say organized religion is irrational.
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If my only reason for going to hell is not believing in a God who cannot or chooses not to offer me proof that he exists, he is a monster.
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There is. Its called Pro-Choice.
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Yes. Yes they should.
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Yes, imagine thinking the people are rude when they're interrupted and condescended to and praising the people who are condescending and also rude. Know what we call that? Bias.
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@travisjohnson7065 You continue to use the same tired argument, but here. I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt and say its not her body (even though it is). Its her property. A non-viable fetus is no different than chattle. You actually make it sound like a fetus has a complete babyesque form when its aborted and it just doesn't. It has no functioning brain, any developed organ systems, nothing. Your morality is subjective. Stop with the morally superior complex. Your viewpoint provably also damages and kills humans. Just when they can feel.
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I would argue that Jeremy was actually the rudest on there...as are most fundamentalist Christians...
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@MyChannel-eo8ic You both are way to emotional to work in the CJ industry. Revenge driven.
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B_ Savage If atheists burn in Hell for eternity simply for not believing, then fuck your God. He isn't loving. He's a monster and a tyrant.
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If adoption is so important, why do 45,000 children sit in foster care and adoption centers? Some since extremely young? Why has the adoption rate for even babies dropped so much? Are you vegan? What about the animals that are slaughtered when they are far more sentient than fetuses? What about tumors? They are living and dividing cells with seperate DNA. You have a lot of privilege. Just because we are alive doesn't mean we want to be.
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So what about the almost 15% of women who cannot take contraception because of blood disorders? Just ignore our bodies huh? 5 words: All birth control can fail.
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Really hope you're joking.
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Yeah no. Not necessarily. For most polyamorous people, it doesn't work that way at all. Its a union between the people in the polycule.
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Hello religious people: Stop considering my criticism and hatred towards your religion and the negativity its responsibility has done as a personal attack on you.
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Religion doesn't create morality in all cases. You certainly shouldn't get your morality from holy books. My morality is based on secular humanism.
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As an atheist, I do not claim something comes from nothing. But Christans do. You claim God came from nothing. That the've always been there. Why can't the same be true of the universe?
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Your answer: Wrong.
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No, the middle ground is "talk about and weigh all options before deciding what is right for your particular situation".
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Seems fine to me. I think you're projecting.
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Men should have a say. But they should not have the final say. If you are not the one carrying the child, you do not have the final say. That being said, I think abortions would be less common if men and women had that conversation.
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I don't know it. And to claim you do is a flat out lie. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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@sibery139 They cannot be sentient if they lack a brainstem. Abortions usually take place before sentence is achieved. I have stated this numerous times, but when that fetus becomes sentient, I believe abortion should be off the table. Abortions are very rarely done surgically anymore, and when they are, the mothers are usually given a local sedative, but they are completely conscious. Surgery's aren't performed on fetuses. They're performed after the child is born, unless you are speaking about abortions.
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Then by definition, you aren't pro-life. Pro-life is against abortion in any circumstance. That's the literal definition.
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Those children are taken away because not vaccinating your child without proper exemption is abusive and neglectful. If you believe your child may have a reaction, have an open conversation with your doctor and take the proper steps to exempt them. If you're just refusing vaccines because you buy into conspiracy theories, you should not have children. That makes you an unfit parent.
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And what facts would those be?
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She did. It was Jeremy who didn't seem to know what an atheist was, considering he kept trying to wrongly correct her.
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@martacastillo6272 If its attached to me biologically and growing and developing by stealing my nutrients, then it is a part of me. No one is owed respect. I decide what happens with my body when the fetus is a non-sentient parasite.
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@deltazero7012 Thats the case in 38 states and I absolutely agree. I am pro-gun. I just don't want misinformation to spread.
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Justin Green Your argument falls flat because a fetus doesn't feel pain at the time of most abortions. It has no brainstem nor nerve endings with pain receptors.
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@travisjohnson7065 You don't know the situation, so to call it an option is flat out wrong. Their doctor may have told her to abort. The pregnancy could have been ectopic. We don't know. Those over 35 are at higher risks of complications.
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So people minding their own business....being happy...is somehow degenerate? You sound like such a fun person...
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Or maybe the religious have confirmation bias and refuse to see their text for what it really says.
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@that_single_mama An ectopic pregnancy is a pregnancy that happens outside the uterus. Guess what? It can still develop. It will just never make it to term. But you still have to have an abortion to remove it, because waiting for the fetus to die on its own could result in serious medical complications. Talk to OBGYN's about ectopic abortions. They are still referred to as abortions.
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@that_single_mama That is still a medical necessity for abortion. You also haven't adressed any of the other statements listed.
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Having an opinion doesn't make something a fact.
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Fetuses don't have rights and even if they did (and I would even agree should), they'd be equal. You don't get the right to use someone else, even if you need them to live.
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Abortion is taking responsibility. Its recognizing you are too immature to handle being pregnant. Most people enjoy sex. Human life isn't special unless you consider it to be. Quality of life should always be a consideration. I don't understand why this is such an issue for some people, and I don't think I ever will.
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@kiwa17 No you don't. Because if you did, you wouldn't demonize my mother for wanting to abort me. Don't you get it? I wish I had been aborted. People like you are the direct reason why I suffer. So quit pretending you care.
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Abortion isn't murder and how the fuck is it the victims fault they were raped? That's disgusting, whether you're pro-life or pro-choice
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Oh really? Then I suppose if someone breaks into your house, you have no right to choose if they live or die. No one in thr military has a right to choose who lives and who dies. The state doesn't have the right to execute a criminal. Fuck off. You clealy make exceptions for situations, so maybe don't be a hypocrite?
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Biologically, a fetus is not a baby until it's born. If that fetus is not sentient and is biologically dependant on me for survival by taking my vital nutrients, then it is my choice what happens to it.
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Raa16 Because you are taking things you either don't understand, or we as a society don't know the answer to yet and immediately jumping to God. That is the textbook definition of God of the Gaps. No. Nothing in the natural world suggest design unless, of course, you are brought up to believe that. Its not vague. We've evolved with large pre frontal cortexes in order to thrive. Evoultion is not arguable. Its an observed and tested phenomenon. Because he's omniscient? So everything, good or bad is caused by him, if he exists? No its not. Biology is a hard natural concept. God is a supernatural phenomenon that has no basis, even if real, in our reality.
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That is absolutely false. I am in no way anti gun, but to spread this misinformation is dishonest. There is NO FEDERAL MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECK ON PRIVATE SALES! PERIOD! You are ONLY FEDERALLY REQUIRED to have a background check if you are purchasing a gun from an FFL licensed dealer at a store or show. But not everyone who sells at shows are dealers, and MOST states put NO RESTRICTIONS on private sales! Everyone one of my guns was purchased at a show from a PRIVATE CITIZEN and I have NEVER had a background check. Please, do some research!
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Some people don't understand what murder is. Examples of people who the education system has failed.
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I fail to see how this topic applies to murder.
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Pro-gun supporters: You should have a right to defend yourself if necessary. Anti-gun supporters: You'll be fine bro.
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Oh okay. So you're a massive hypocrite. The fetus is valuable if consent was not given and the same process used to terminate the pregnancy suddenly becomes "not murder". That's a moronic statement. No, most people who are pro-choice just believe in bodily autonomy.
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Kinda hard to back that up, since nothing he said was factual.
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Honest answer: No.
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Yeah okay. Tell that to anyone who has ever had an ectopic pregnancy.
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Those who believe life is precious are deluded. Sorry if that's harsh, but you aren't special. There are hundreds of millions of other people who are just like you. Life is hard. Some people can get through it and some cannot. Quit pretending like you speak for everyone.
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The amount of dishonest liars that twist the definitions of words in order to suit an opinion they hold is wild.
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No, he wasn't.
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topherh33 The ones who don't need it should be taken off of it. That's not the point. A fetus until a certain point is a non sentient developing series of cells. If a mother is unfit, better to abort the fetus when it's not sentient than to abuse and neglect it when it is.
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Nope. The father absolutely should talk to the mother. But the final decision depends entirely on the one who is carrying.
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You can have morality without God.
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No, its still my body my choice. Consent to sex, condom or otherwise, is not consent to pregnancy.
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@millepia3607 Correct. I don't care that you have an opinion. I simply gave you mine as well. "You can end your life if it's so horrible". So then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life doesn't just apply to abortions.
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Pardon us for defending violence with violence. Please explain a better alternative and then go and claim your Nobel Peace Prize.
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@entt4358 Once that gun has been privately sold, you bare no responsibility what that person does with it, unless you sold it to a known convicted felon. If your state does not require a background check, you are not responsible for what that individual does with that gun.
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@Elias Rivera Keep pretending you care.
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@Elias Rivera Which is why I stated "usually". They aren't different topics. They all play a role in a person's decision to abort. Seems as though you don't want to delve deeper into it, and I suspect that's because you have less then popular beliefs. There is nothing to debate about abortion. You have a right to bodily autonomy. End of story.
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@Elias Rivera I love how you hyperfixiate on just that sentence and ignore everything else. But that's typical of pro-life people.
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@theYT_moderator She's both. And its flat out wrong to say she isn't an atheist, which is why she got annoyed. These terms aren't mutually exclusive.
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Imagine still being ignorant enough to not understand that condoms and birth control don't always work.
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So are you vegan? Is that murder? That animal you slaughtered has a heartbeat that is actually controlled itself.
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@criticclips1560 You are beyond logic
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Abortiond are in fact cheaper than 18+ years of financial strain. We can only hope that people learn to be responsible.
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Because there is no evidence for one. Someone who orders my death does not love me. You have experienced what you believe to be God. Thats called confirmation bias.
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rdwolf According to the Bible, her father was right.
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@arthurz3808 Well no. In terms of fact.
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@arthurz3808 No, its actually fact. Murder has a definition that abortion does not fit.
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Nah. Everyone should be pro-choice.
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@acemxe8472 No. That's a load of crap. Though I want to point out that your God could still be real regardless of whether or not th4 Bible is true. There are many things in the Bible that straight up didn't happen.
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@shebsheb8850 A hypothesis. Not a theory. Theories are observable and testable. I understand that. That's why I take issue with you calling what he was saying "facts". They aren't facts.
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Babies and fetuses are different. Can we work on giving them quality of life?
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I highly doubt you're actually pro-life by definition. You're probably "pro-life with exceptions"
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There's a difference between questioning something, and spreading verifiably false information.
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Nah, I'm not cool with denying people rights to their bodies.
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@deukaeutopia5957 You're both wrong. She is an atheist. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a God or Gods. I know many atheists who believe in supernatural phenomenon. Agnostic is a a term that means I don't know. Anyone who is honest is colloquially agnostic. So no. You're all wrong.
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Guess what? I know 3 women who took the pill as prescribed and still became pregnant. Human error occurs. Condoms are also only about 80% effective because of human error. Perhaps comprehensive sex ed would actually lower abortion rates as well, but the same people who want an end to abortions typically do not want sex ed taught in schoolsm
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But thats only because you know him. You can't miss something you never had.
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Some people also need to understand the definition of murder, and the difference between killing or termination of life and murder. You cant physically hurt something incapable of feeling pain. By the way, how come that sentiment only applies to humans, and not the animals you slaughter for your cheeseburgers?
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And once again, we find someone who clearly took her words out of context. She is describing the abortion procedure that way because she is happy she lives in a country where she has access to said procedure. The healthcare option is glorified. Not the procedure itself.
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@chungs6496 Its almost like an unborn child is a non-sentient human without the capicty to feel, as if we do not already have DNR's and slow codes. I'm sorry that your emotions blind you to reason. Think I'll stay in medical school.
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@chungs6496 Abortions at 22 weeks are done for medical purposes. 97% of abortions are performed before the end of the first trimester, where a fetus has no consciousness. Absolutely late term abortions should not happen unless for extreme reasons. I assumed you knew abortions aren't performed at 22 weeks often. I also would assume you would know that most abortions don't tear the fetus limb from limb. Its done via a medication and a D&C. If we're being technical, life starts at implantation for the fetus itself. Never said it didn't. You seem to like making assumptions.
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@chungs6496 No. Not at all. We don't give rights based on life. We give rights based on sentience. Even if we granted the premise that a fetus has a right to life, it does not have that right at the expense of a person. Your right to life is equal to my right to liberty, which is why abortion has never been overturned.
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@AkonFenty1992 Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. 2 problems. 1) Abortion is not unlawful and 2) Fetuses are not considered human under the law, even if they are from a scientific perspective. If you're going to be dishonest, at least lie about something not easily debunked.
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There is nothing wrong with having a child. Some people as certain point just cannot physically, emotionally or financially handle that child. It's the biggest responsibility in the world. A fetus is not a child.
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No one advocates for killing kids, so your kinda spinning a false narrative.
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@keer-stin A person who cannot take the pill also cannot have IUD's dumbass. It's the same active ingredient. I'm talking about those of us who cannot use contraceptives period. Condoms break, and even "pulling out" does not always work. The bottom line is there is no method, other than abstinence, that prevents pregnancy. 3 words: Your point is?
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@keer-stin I dont think you understand how contraception works. Birth control only affects to person who takes it. It doesn't prevent their partner from getting pregnant. I am a straight female. My boyfriend doesn't take contraception because he doesn't have a uterus. I cannot take contraception because I have MPA and lupus. Condoms can still fail. Therefore, if I ever become pregnant, I will make the decision for myself whether or not to abort.
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Don't you people get tired of using inflammatory lies to spread a narrative...?
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg If you are specifically going to another state to have an abortion to dodge a law that outlaws it, trust me, that will also be a crime. Just as it is in other countries. The right to abortion is outlined in the Constitution, though not explicitly. A law will never violate that. It won't be overturned. Because to overturn would violate the Constitution. That is why in the 40+ years you've been fighting, you have never overturned it.
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@TheGravygun Funny, I've met more self-rightous Christians than I ever have atheists.
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@esotericsadgirl Its not my job to prove God doesn't exist as I am not the one making the claim. The burden of proof is on you.
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As if deciding on abortion isn't dealing with consequences. Everyone is irresponsible at some point. If you love a fetus that isn't sentient that much, show some empathy toward the sentient human carrying it.
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That is the biggest false equivalency I have ever heard.
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@ellieb8627 I never think suicide is inherently a bad thing, and anyone who does has never felt what it feels like to be in that place. Suicide occurs when pain outweighs pain management. If someone truly believes that their life is not worth living, then I believe it is selfish to force them to live their life. By the way, since a fetus lacks a brainstem at the time of most abortions, it cannot think. It doesn't care what you do to it. The only one who cares are people like you. You cannot miss something you never had.
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As if everyone who has an abortion is sleeping around. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@matt1325 Yes, but that is a strawman arguement. You are comparing a person who has been born to a non-sentient fetus. The two aren't comparable.
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@Ladybugs2225 And apparently, you don't have to be honest and admit that child murder is not comparable to abortion.
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@matt1325 1. There is absolutely such thing as an unwanted child. If there weren't, people wouldn't bother with protection or contraception at all, nor would parents neglect or abuse their children. 2. Because sex is not for reproduction. Sure, it is at its most basic function, but our brains have evolved passed that. By the way, abortion is not "running from consequences", especially with people like you who would openly shame a woman and extremists who go so far as to say she should die.
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@alexafromsouthcarolina5666 Umm agnosticism has nothing to do with the supernatural. Agnosticism is just a term for those who don't know. Everyone should be agnostic. Some atheists believe in the supernatural. Some (like me) do not.
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I would like evidence of that, because I doubt anyone cares.
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Tell that to those of us who were born with compromised immune system. "Natural" doesn't mean "good".
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When your "opinions" are actively harmful, there is no reason to respect them. Thinking something is "best" doesn't make you right.
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@ThomasNguyen7 But thats not true. Being able to buy a gun at a show without a background check depends on who sold it to you. If its from an FFL dealer, you need a background check. If its from anyone else, it does not. Thats the case for 38 out of 50 states. Again, all of my guns were purchased at shows. I never had a background check.
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Thats not what she said. She said her life didn't have inherent value. I.e. you don't have value just because you exist.
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No, people commit suicide because they are unhappy, ironically usually because people like the religious do not accept who they are. Life has value. It just has no inherent value. Also, your God (if you're a Christian) is very pro choice, rape and murder. I find much my life much happier without living by the arbitrary rules of a sky Daddy who's moral system is less than questionable and who can't be bothered to prove he exists.
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Facts need to be evidence based. Beliefs are not, and will never be, facts.
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Geeze who hurt you?
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Abortion has been around since ancient times. It was not "invented" as an easy way out. Anyone who considers an unborn not human flunked biology. It is alive. So what? It's not sentient. Pregnancy also comes from protected sex. Birth control and condoms can and do fail. A child should not be abused and neglected by unfit parents because you decided death was worse.
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That is the biggest projection I have ever seen.
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What Reagan didn't understand was that some of us are failed abortions.
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No you haven't. You've seen things you can't explain and inserted God where your brain can't figure out. Which is just who you are. You can't claim them as miracles though.
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I can't wait until every can use condoms, take birth control, and its always 100% effective
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You can't? If you can't, that sounds like a skill issue on your part. I spend as much time with one partner as I do the other. I also don't treat my partner in the same context I would a friend.
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She was clearly talking about she loves the procedure being available. Not the process itself.
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Douglas Thompson Not really. It's not a debate to be won. Nobody wins.
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Funny how they can use protection, and still get pregnant.
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@martacastillo6272 That doesn't make something unique. Your genetic code is 99% similar to your parents. Hate to say this, but the things that make you different are more psychological than DNA based. Just because it's not exactly the same doesn't mean its unique.
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Justin Green They don't feel pain until between 14 and 15 weeks, since that is when the brainstem and the nerve receptors develop. No state has that. You need to go back to school. I believe the cutoff date should be when a fetuses heartbeat begins separately from the mother, which is at 12 weeks. Most abortions take place between 6 and 9 weeks.
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Mathilde Young It's not about life when it comes to abortion. It's about sentience.
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And abortion has nothing to do with babies. It has to do with the development and life of fetuses. Baby is post utero.
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Unresponsible is not a word. Its Irresponsible. And no. They're not. What would be irresponsible is abusing and neglecting a child you had because you can't care for it.
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@cractrick9225 As if abortion isn't taking responsibility. Because it is.
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Yes he does. He has loads of options. -Don't sleep with a woman who may abort -Have a conversation with the woman if she falls pregnant instead of walking out -File with the court to get custody -Terminate your parental rights. Both sexes have all of these options. The man should have input, but ultimately does not have control of a woman's body.
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Abortion is taking responsibility just as much as adoption and motherhood when done with the best intentions.
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Imagine. People wanting evidence for someone's beliefs. And I'm sorry. Christians hated? Where?
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LIL Podious jr. lll Indeed. As is God yours.
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She said she doesn't believe a person is inherently valuable. Learn to listen.
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_.Sirius Which is exactly what she is. She stated multiple times she didn't believe in a God. That makes her an atheist.
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Have you ever heard of an ectopic pregnancy? Eclampsia? Birth defects that will end in death of the fetus? Uterine infections? Chemotherapy or immunosuppressive drugs?
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Except gun shows doing background checks depends entirely on who you're buying it from.
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That's really sad. Glad to know you don't support the rights of people's bodily autonomy.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Its sad that she is against human rights.
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Usually its the religious people with the flawed arguments. I get annoyed when you try to assess something as fact when it isn't or claim to have knowledge you do not possess.
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Sure. They just don't get final say.
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No, he's anti-vax. He may sound like he's only for informed consent here, but that's because he was on medical probation for falsifying vaccine documentation. I'm all for informed consent by the way, before you write me off. Vaccines do not protect you from getting the virus. They prevent serious complications. Were you yourself vaccinated? Just curious.
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@GreyhoundDan That is a claim that requires evidence, which you do not possess.
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@GreyhoundDan Because no one is saying we came from apes. Apes and humans share a common ancestor, proving once again how little religious people know about the science behind evolution.
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@nightlythoughts4701 It is not a mutualitstic relationship. The fetus provides no benefit to the mother. Sending stem cells? Not only is that not how that works, the is 0 evidence behind that. Never said it wasnt alive, nor did I say it isnt human. As far as "right to life" that is a man-made law, not a natural one. The law says a fetus doesn't have a right to life until between 20-22 weeks. Do I agree with that? No. Abortion should be off the table when the fetus gains sentience. You have no intrinsic right to life.
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I like how you claim the truth lies in the middle, and then immediately show bias towards one side. Children can be raised just as well in a polyamorous relationship.
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@joshualocicero6799 Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying private sales also happen at gun shows.
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Kinda hard to cheat if everyone is consenting. Since you know...that doesn't meet the definition of cheating.
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As if abortion isn't a responsible decision.
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Yes, defending the right to bodily autonomy is is nasty. Wonder if you would have that same opinion if a doctor dragged you into an OR and forcefully took your organs to keep someone you didn't know alive. Do you guys ever get tired of being manipulative liars?
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Perhaps you can make that argument in this instance, but forcing someone else to be miserable for your moral satisfaction is also selfish. Being selfish is not a bad thing.
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That man doesn't deserve a prejudiced, indoctrinated asshole like you. He deserves much better. The fact that you let biggoted views determine your relationship is frightening, and if that is the case, then you deserve to either be alone or with someone who is just as intolerant and close minded as you. I would love to see your reaction if it was proven God wasn't real.
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A lost cause to what? Why does it bother you so bad that I don't believe in something that has no evidence behind it?
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 You have yet to prove a God even exists. And if we are referring to the Biblical God, he's a psychopath.
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You'll have an argument when the fetus can develop without the use of someone's organ.
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She's an agnostic atheist. She doesn't believe in a higher power, and clearly stated that. She just also doesn't think one can be disproven. He wasn't right.
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We are also the species causing that extinction.
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They had the knowledge of the times and didn't have the advancement we made now. And scientists being different religions or believing in Gods doesn't make them right in those beliefs.
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A) You only speak for yourself and B) You literally cannot know that. The only reason you can make that statement is because you have the hindsight of being alive. But the fact remains that you can't miss something you never had. If you never experienced life, death would mean nothing.
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Thats a sad existence if you ask me. Why not live for yourself?
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It comes from society. Secular humanism. Others take their morals from religious texts. Morality is subjective for a reason.
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@entt4358 None of the state laws work that way. All states require you to show a valid state ID. So selling to a minor would be illegal. You don't need a background check for that. I work in the criminal justice field. Doesn't matter who the buyer is. Unless you can prove I know that person was a felon, doesn't matter who I sell it to. No longer my property
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@Elias Rivera Oh you do? Yet it is people like you, usually, who want to end welfare, Don't want raised taxes to go to Healthcare, and advocate against comprehensive sex ed. You don't care about life. You end life everyday. Life with far more sentience than a fetus, who is incapable of feeling or thought. It is about women's rights. Rights you are trying to dismantle.
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@Elias Rivera Except you didn't. In fact, you didn't say anything. Again, typical lying and manipulative pro-lifer.
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Yes people are fine. Tell that to my best friend of 15 years who was brutally stabbed to death in London, where the homicide rate trumped that of NYC. Or the people who have died to the fire bombings in the UK. Just because GUN crime is lower doesn't mean VIOLENT crime or HOMICIDE is lower.
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Mm...that's not the impression I got. That sounds like projection.
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But you can't back up pro-life with secular facts. Other than "life begins at conception" and "the fetus is human". Everything else concerning abortion pertains to subjective morality.
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@avaloewenberg6369 Oh I agree with that. I just don't believe a doctor told her mother "Shes just a waste of goods".
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There are many states where that's legal. If you tresspass on property and get hurt, you can't then sue for damages. You weren't supposed to be there in the first place.
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@sivonparansun Which can happen at gunshows. Not everyone who sets up a booth at shows is a dealer. Depending on the state, very rarely do dealers set up booths. Where I live, gunshows are nearly all private sales.
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@cathrinemassey3863 I was raised Christian and lost my faith trying to prove Gid exsisted. When I took an unbiased perspective, I realized that I had no evidence for a God, let alone my God.
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Except he wasn't. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. Agnostic is a redundant term of knowledge. Everyone should be agnostic because no one knows. That says nothing about what beliefs you have. There is no objective right and wrong. Right an wrong depend on culture, time and individuality. You can have objective right and wrong if your speaking from a subjective moral perspective however.
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Except its not, because murder has an established definition.
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It's not a fact. A fact is something that is known through testable evidence. There is no evidence for God. And if God sends me to "a horrible place" for not believing in him, he is a tyrannical monster who doesn't deserve my love or attention.
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Thats because its her uterus. Not his. He has no right to her organs any more than the fetus does. Don't end up in that situation.
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No, no its not.
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Australia's homicide rate doubled the year you banned guns and it has since bought back 85% of irs guns. Just because you have an illusion based on where you live doesn't mean that illusion is fact.
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@user-tn2pz7ze2o Absolutely scientifically untrue. The "vow" depends entirely on your religious beliefs. Maybe I have multiple people that fill needs better than a single person does on their own. Why do you care?
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Because pregnancy is a side effect of sex.
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Its just not though.
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And abortion isn't murder any more than the death penalty is.
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That would make you liars then wouldn't it? Because you don't know. You simply belief. A strong, solid belief is still a belief.
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Because they're 100% effective right?
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Why we are prenteding like everyone's immune system is healthy and capable of functioning?
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Yes. Imagine being for the bodily autonomy of people.
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@lucykhaos7503 I don't. I just want fetuses to have a stable life with a family that wants and loves them.
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Unless you've tried it, how do you know what a dog tastes like? They're delicacies in some cultures. Regardless of where you stand, its hypocrisy to put animals on a pedestal.
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MoonCrow Not trolling anything. I simply like throwing my two cents in. People don't need to respond, but I enjoy seeking knowledge. By the way, I've been here for literal years.
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You only speak for yourself and don't have the right to dictate how others feel. My mother sold me to men for 2 years straight for drug money. I was thrown down a set of stairs and now have a permanent spinal cord injury. That suffering is so much worse than death.
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@EricaRose You are clearly misinterpreting it, either willingly or ignorantly. That is what I meant. You personally are taking it out of context to have it mean something it doesn't. She isn't saying "i love abortions" because the procedure is amazing. She's saying "I love abortions" because she loves her ability to have them, something many places don't have.
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Lets just pretend that the south didn't use the Bible to propagate their right to own slaves.
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@Emmie-p8x Because the Bible dictates who you can and can't like, be friends with, or love.
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Yet another addition to the "that's not what that word means" category.
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And third trimester abortions are done for exclusively medical reasons
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@chungs6496 Aww does the truth hurt? I'm sorry to hear that. Guess I should just burn my master's degree and drop out of medical school.
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As if saying a person should have to birth a child if they are subjected to unwanted incest or are raped is not disgusting?
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Leticia Rodrigues Oh there's not enough children out there. Let's force an unfit mother to give birth so she neglects and abuses her child. You're not pro-life. You're pro-birth.
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Yeah...that has more to do with population. Your homicide rate has increased over the last decade. And it surpassed NYC several years back.
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No, its fighting for their right to bodily autonomy.
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You can't cheat if everyone in the relationship consents. How is it cheating if its what you and your partner want?
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That is called biased projection. Neither of them seem like assholes to me. One seems more realistically pessimist while the other seems more spiritually optimistic. Neither of these are bad.
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At least acknowledge that you can't be bothered to do a 30 second google search to look up the definition of murder.
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@rxpilld4135 It absolutely is true. Including things like formaldehyde. But I don't expect you to understand, since you see a chemical word and assume bad.
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Then you're pro-choice.
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Killing is not inherently bad. You think its bad because you grew up in a society that taught you killing was bad (which by the way, the Bible fully supports slaughter). Nothing is inherently wrong or right. Its called subjective morality. There are plenty of people who know right from wrong who neither know nor believe in God. We evolved. You have no answers. You have beliefs. The difference between us is I can admit I don't know.
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A pill is hardly a "grotesque procedure", which is how most abortions are performed. Using images of late term abortions (legally done exclusively for medical reasons) as a way to shock and scare people is disgusting and dishonest.
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@kinw5548 You can have the right to say no. But that decision comes with consequences.
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@hello-sz7hp Umm...no? Pregnancy is not a conscious decision made. And by the way, not everyone consents to sex. I have a right to what happens to my body. Simple.
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Is not an answer to unwanted pregnancy.
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@theoboegoddess I don't believe in this so called Jesus. Also. I don't need a carpenters son who preaches that I should be killed for my disbelief in his daddy.
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Clearly, you didn't search up the definitons because he wasn't right. Yes, she is agnostic. But she's also an atheist. These two words are not mutually exclusive.
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The fact that you don't know the difference between a baby and a fetus and don't even consider why people would be pro-choice or against capital punishment is beyond ignorant.
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The only ones who don't feel safe are those who buy into mass hysteria. Its horrible that these shootings happen, but stripping guns won't solve that issue.
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Fetuses do not have rights.
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My twins don't mind. They love having 3 parents.
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Its not though.
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Congrats on your kid being one of the lucky ones. Some of us aren't so glad to have suffered. Abortion is not murder.
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Nah.
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1% is thousands of people. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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No one kills a baby in an abortion. And the difference is Jews were sentient beings. Fetuses are not. Being human doesn't make you valuable or special.
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Right and wrong are subjective. I'd argue its also not right to strip a person of their bodily autonomy.
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@JoeyB0b Because they don't. The Bible is very much pro-choice.
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No. The act of having sex and pregnancy are two different things. Consenting to one doesn't mean consent to the other. You can actually opt out of paying the fine. Its called an appeal. May not necessarily work, but it is an option available to you.
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He didn't state truth. He stated his beliefs. The Bible has never been proven to be true. If he comes back to judge the Earth, he is NOT loving.
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Being old isn't an excuse to be rude and uneducated. And no. None of what he said are facts.
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Citation needed.
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@Henry-gv3cy Right and wrong are subjective.
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Its like the pro-lifers don't even bother to look at adoption statistics, or the rampant abuse in the foster care system.
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I completely respect your beliefs, but many people do die for what they believe in. That doesn't make what they believe in truth. So many people who don't share the same beliefs as you are persecuted, because your very religion tells you to persecute them. Once again, truly believing something doesn't make it real or truthful. Some are exactly the opposite. I lost my faith in God trying to prove he existed. Reading his books are nothing more than anecdotal evidence and dont provide any foundation that a God exists. If you believe, that's wonderful. But until evidence is provided, I choose to remain skeptical.
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Christina Pautu I was a Christian for 20 years and God did shit to help me. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence one exists nor which one is the right one.
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Uhh...yes they are. They're direct antonyms. If you are pro-life, you are against abortion. If you are pro-choice, you aren't.
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And so is abortion. You were just privileged enough to be born into a situation where a parent had the ability and wanted to raise you. Lucky you.
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Okay, but that doesn't stop it from being true.
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Except she didn't. She was absolutely correct. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a God. Where people seem to get it wrong is when you try to use the philosophical definition of atheism (there is no God) and apply it to everything. Language doesn't work that way. She is an agnostic atheist. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@maxxypad8097 Okay. Now I know you're a troll.
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There is though. Its literally called "vaccine court."
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@samhg3658 A parasite does not have to be a different species. We literally have a medical deformity called "parasitic twinning."
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Its an argument of sentience.
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@illegalalien3937 That is not the impression I get at all. I think people are just genuinely ignoring the context.
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Then you're just factually wrong lol.
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@wonderwhy5824 You mean the death bed "confession" that never happened? And even if it did, means nothing?
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@johnchristian434 Plenty of both atheists and religious people commit crimes. To say that atheism is a reason for crime is ridiculous
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@lemongirl3846 He may not have been here. But thats because he was on probation for falsifying vaccine information.
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The facts and science would be on the trans side though.
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Too bad they weren't facts.
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Do you people ever get tired of being dishonest? Or do you seriously not know the difference between a colloquial term and a legal term?
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Considering over 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, I fail to see the argument for "almost inevitable life". Abortion isn't murder. Stop using a legal term to try to spin a moral narrative.
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That's not an answer to unwanted pregnancy.
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@matt1325 Why does the fetus have value and the mother does not?
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Because polyamorous asexual people don't exist? Uh-huh...
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@Naked_AlienDanceParty You literally said poly is an excuse to bang people. Plenty of polyamorous people are asexual. I.e. not interested in sex.
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Alexander Appea Nah, I love it here in the US. Where you know. I have rights over my own body and I get to decide when and if I die. Even though the latter is not available to all.
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So all the failed contraception, rapes, incest, and unprepared events such as medical conditions, sudden financial troubles, or the father leaving...thats all just about an irresponsible sex life? Yeah no.
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You could make that argument for any relationship.
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@chavezharding7820 It is a combination of the two. I'm not saying it isnt it's own organism. I'm just saying it is not unique from its parents on a biological level. It's also not unique from other humans.
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That is not required at all gun shows. That is only required if the person you are buying from is a licensed dealer. Private sales can happen anywhere, including at shows. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check.
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Jonathan Shorter For the record, most if not all pro-choice people believe that too
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@criticclips1560 Yes. Because morality is subjective. Even in a religious context, morality would be the subjective opinion of a supreme creator. You could argue that its the highest opinion, but it would still be an opinion. I'm a moral relativist. Yes, God given rights. Because our founders were deists.
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@criticclips1560 I've never liked my own comments. Likes don't mean anything to me. I just like having a conversation with people about differing viewpoints. I actually do know many religious people who believe in subjective morality. But I also know moral objectivists. But even if God is real and gave those morals, those morals are still subjective to God. And you can be a moral subjectivist and be a moral person. If there is a God, I think he would care more about humanism than the Bible. Most people I know believe the Bible as guidelines than laws. Since its written and interpreted by man.
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Unfortunately, thats just a personal anecdote. If they want to suddenly be exclusive, they were probably never polyamorous in the first place. I'm poly, and I truly couldn't choose between my husband and my partner. They are both on equal footing to me. I love them both more than almost anything.
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@naudalyke No! I never got that impression at all. I understand that truly most people simply don't get it, because its hard to understand something you don't experience! Thank you very much. Its so nice to see more tolerant people.
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Depends on the state and who you're buying it from
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Yes. Consciousness and sentience. By your vague definition, anything living is a person.
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@uncleblazing1507 Have you read the Bible? The story of Tamar in Exodus talks about killing an unborn child because the mothers pregnancy was not wanted. In Hosea 9:14, we are told God will cause the deaths of the unborn, as he will “give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.” In Hosea 13:16 it is proclaimed: “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” In Isaiah 7:20 and 10:5, it is stated that the Assyrians will be used by God as the means of implementing these punishments. In 2 Kings it describes how they fulfilled this role: 8:12 And Hazael (future king of Syria) said, Why weepeth my lord? And he (Elisha) answered, Because I know the evil that thou wilt do unto the children of Israel: their strong holds wilt thou set on fire, and their young men wilt thou slay with the sword, and wilt dash their children, and rip up their women with child. 15:16 (Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up. The Bible is IN NO WAY anti-abortion.
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They aren't. You can have strong relationships with multiple.
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I don't think I should believe in something with no evidence.
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Great idea. Now try to find a doctor that will tie your tubes or give you a hysterectomy before you're 35. These are surgical procedures. You can't just walk in and say "hey, I wanna have sex and don't want to get pregnant. Operate on me!" By the way, tubial ligation also doesn't always prevent pregnancy.
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Having sex before marriage actually isn't always a healthy idea, and it would be nice if guns weren't more and more restricted...
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Because protected sex NEVER fails right?
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Lmao no it isn't in a vast majority of places. I can't get birth control without a prescription from a doctor.
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That argument technically wouldn't fly, because those animals were not killed, nor harmed, to make gasoline.
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Being against the right over one's body or the right for someone to die on their terms is not something one should find joy in.
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Imagine trying to change the meaning of a word to spin a false narrative. Polyamory does not equate to cheating. You can't cheat on someone who consents.
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@sealthrux Its literally not, and its not my fault you don't understand the definition of words. All humans are animals, so that's not really an insult. Sounds like your just mad that I'm happily in a relationship.
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Murder is not illegal because its a "sin". Its illegal because it violates the Constitution. If we had Bible standards, murder would be perfectly acceptable in circumstances.
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Yeah no...science disagrees.
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As if you are egotistical just because your poly? Or can't be egotistical if your monogamous?
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As if all women can take birth control and birth control is 100% effective. Imagine being ignorant and thinking everyone can just "not have sex."
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I'm sorry that wanting bodily autonomy makes you want to end it.
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It takes no faith for me to doubt something that has never been proven.
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@AJ-tt7ed When did I say that? I am perfectly content in not know, nor really caring, how life came to be. Why do you immediately jump to God?
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Its not a baby nor is it hurt. That point makes no sense.
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@Henry-gv3cy Show me a fetus that exists without a placenta, endometrium and a uterus. Right. You can't. A fetus cannot develop on its own. You don't get to live off of someone else's body. Period.
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If a decision is actively harmful, it absolutely should be ridiculed. This is a matter of public health. To deny vaccines is to actively cause harm. That is NOT your right.
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I fail to see how standing for the choice in whether to be a mother or not fails to make sense. I do notice how pro-life arguments don't make sense and are hypocritical though.
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Why are pro lifers hypocrites incapable of understanding language and biology?
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You can't hate something you don't believe in.
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Pascals Wager is the weakest argument.
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@sydneypayeur6405 Fetus is any unborn mammal. Value is something given to you by others. It is not inherent
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Not really. He's an uninformed and quite hypocritical person.
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@tyler6971 No, its factually not. Murder has an established definition.
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@zachman5150 As if getting pregnant is a choice you actively make. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy anymore than driving is consent to an accident.
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And he is a moron who doesn't understand word definitions.
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No, absolutely not. Of course his opinion should be heard and considered, but its her body that the fetus is using. Its ultimately up to her.
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Vaccines do not protect you from getting a virus. They simply allow your immune system to have a heard start. Unvaccinated people are a risk to not only those who can't be vaccinated, but allowing the spread increases a chance of a mutation, one that a vaccine may not cover. They're not zombies, but they risk carrying illness longer than a vaccinated person. And thats never fun for anyone.
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@Barislav How do I know I'm well off? Well, are we measuring by happiness? Wealth? Success?
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@chungs6496 Yeah, I understand. I'd also walk out if my child was a pathological liar with no basic understanding of autonomy rights.
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Everyone is, or should be agnostic, so calling yourself agnostic is redundant. Agnostic simply means you don't know.
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Or you could actually not be dishonest and actually look at the facts. Not a baby. Not murder.
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@Dami-dm5sj Except..truth is in accordance with fact and reality. God fits into neither of these categories. God has never been shown to exist through evidence, and he's supernatural in nature. Also "truth" can change as reality and facts change.
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They physically can't be, because the definition of birth control prevents pregnancy from happening in the first place. Also please cite how often the same person goes back to get abortion after abortion. Its not cheap.
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IssyFishyy I hope you know that was sarcasam.
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@alexgiron9597 Keep lying or being deliberately ignorant. Lets others know you're untrustworthy and manipulative.
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F A I L S
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@tylerconroe9904 Pistols do not have to be sold by a licensed dealer any more than rifles do. They can, and are, sold privately. Federal laws in the sellings of guns only apply to dealers. The states handle everything else. That is the law for the majority of the states. 38 out of 50.
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Christian guy doesn't understand what the definition of agnostic or atheist is.
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Show me a fetus capable of developing its "own body" without using a woman's uterus.
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You do understand that if she did that, she would also have to pay child support...right?
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@sangovere777 I agree that vaccines can have side effects, and when its shown that it is indeed a vaccine, that family should be compensated and that vaccine looked into
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Good thing abortion isnt murder.
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@jamesgrime5328 So because I enjoy anime in my down time, you cannot have a proper or professional debate with me? That only reflects poorly on you and your clearly uneducated information about a subject. The only one not acting like a "grown up" is you. Probably because you know you're wrong.
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@jamesgrime5328 What you said is factually incorrect based on the definitions of these words. Unless, of course, you are referring to these terms in their philosophical context, which the people in the video were not. You're upset because you're wrong.
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@jamesgrime5328 I'm sure. You realize you just look foolish right? The fact that you can't defend yourself and feel the need to insult others for what they like just speaks volumes about you. When you grow up and are ready to defend your claims like an adult, I'll be ready. Until then, continue showing everyone how uneducated you are.
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@mooncrow3758 I'm not trolling. He's not interested because he's wrong, and is judging someone he has never met based on a name. The only one who looks foolish is him, because he can't back up his claims.
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@mooncrow9325 I understand he said numerous times that he did not want to talk to me, but frankly, I do not care. He continued to respond to me, yet claimed he didn't want to talk, and got pissy when I responded and called him out. Yes, when you make a public comment and someone responds, they expect a response back. But no where did I demand he answer me. He could have simply did what he did and stopped replying. He looked foolish because he wouldn't respond based on a profile picture and a name, not because he didn't want to. I have had countless debates where the other party have stopped responding, and thats where it ends. I never said anyone owed me a debate. But when someone asks a question, and you respond with insults, don't expect to be taken seriously. You still have never offered any evidence to the claim that I'm a hypocrite.
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@mooncrow3758 I can reinforce my position just fine. I'm an atheist because I see no reason to believe in something without evidence. If you, or someone else, could provide evidence as to a God, I would be more than open to believing in one. Again, never demaded a debate. I don't care if people debate me or not. Exactly. I expected one, got one, and replied. Thats how a conversation works. I didn't leave continuous posts after he stopped responding. If he didn't want to talk or debate, fine. I never demaded anything. Show me the statement where I demanded a debate. That may be your opinion, and thats fine. Many others are mature enough to have a conversation with someone regardless of their name or picture. No you haven't. Give me a specific statement that I said thats hypocritical. All you have said is "You're a hypocrite" without providing any evidence. Much like your deity
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@mooncrow3758 Also, just as a side note. You apparently don't know what a troll or trolling means.
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@mooncrow9325 Again, I need evidence on my trolling.
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MoonCrow He wasn't foolish to "reject" me. He looked foolish by insulting someone for their profile. Thats immature. I didn't judge you for using the word cringy. I said MORE than once you could call me what you wanted. I dropped the debate because you were not making points. You were just hurling insults. And I also said that I would be more than happy to continue the debate if you had debate points and then you stopped responding. But maybe that's because you didn't get the post, since Youtube sometimes is weird. Didn't whine. Don't care that they dropped the debate. Never responded after the OC stopped responding. So no. No hypocrisy.
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@mooncrow9325 Thats not what a troll is. I'm not using insults to try and get a reaction out of anyone.
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MoonCrow Where? Where did I use insults to try and get a reaction? You cannot give me anything. You just insist on name-calling. You should see someone for that.
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@mooncrow9325 Nobody's been lying though, so keep trying.
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MoonCrow Yet you can't actually point out a single lie. All you have is assumptions.
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MoonCrow No you didn't, and you still haven't. Know why? Because I don't have a problem with peoples faith. My husband is a Christian. Are you actually implying me saying someone make come across as foolish for insulting someone is an insult itself? That is laughably pathetic. Except I have. And you still haven't. Still waiting for the quotes. By the way, it's "whack".
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Wack is an informal North American misspelling. Google it. Its "whack job". noun INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN noun: whack job a crazy or extremely eccentric person. "he has established himself as a paranoid wack job" Again, you provide no evidence. You just keep repeating yourself.
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@mooncrow3758 That was not an attack on the Christian faith. That was me drawing on personal experience and multiple comments I have read of people saying 'reading the Bible made me an atheist'. A criticism of your belief or of a deity you believe in is not an attack on the person who holds it. Not a judgement. Stating a fact. You aren't even using the word correctly. Cringe is a verb and sometimes a noun. Its not an adjective. And he was wrong, which I legitimately believe that he knew. That was not me demanding a debate. Facts are not up for debate. If you make a claim, defend it or stop responding. Which he did. So I didn't push the matter. Some of those lines you posted, but never gave context as to what they meant. You can continue with your ad hominems, but you're wrong. And everyone reading will be the judge of that.
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@CLSGL I would love to see the study where psychologists agree that children should have one mother and one father, because that may be the biggest load of horseshit I have ever heard. What children need are stable adults around them, regardless of gender or amount. It doesn't have to be complicated if you use common sense, and teach your children to use common sense.
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No one murders an unborn baby. They terminate the development of a fetus, usually that isn't sentient. What's the problem?
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You can't cheat in a relationship that everyone agrees and consents to. That would be like saying monogomy is a fancy way of saying controlling or ownership.
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Which is why most atheists are agnostic. I don't claim that a God does not or cannot exist. I simply believe its wishful thinking to believe in something like that without evidence.
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No, but bodily autonomy is.
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@aheartonfire7191 What's wrong with that? Why not be happy with the only life you know you have, since you don't know if there's a heaven? Enjoy what life you can.
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Yes you can. Private sales also happen at shows. There is no background check on private sales on the federal level. I'm pro-gun, but spreading misinformation turns people away from our side.
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Actually, it says the opposite, which you would know if you did 10 minutes of research. Asexual polyamorous people exist.
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Beliefs are not facts.
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That doesn't mean everyone does. I never have, but that's the issue. Anti-gun just don't understand how the laws actually work.
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Are you saying someone who loves science or is a scientist can't enjoy gaming and music? If he loves me, than he won't damn me to hell. That's not something a loving being would do. Scientists back then did not have the technology we do now. People like Newton would not be religious now.
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Do you? Because all organic life are clusters of cells at a basic biological level.
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A non-sentient fetus with no brain incapable of making a decision.
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@JesusPowerIsInYOU Yeah, because I'm not deluded into thinking I'm special. I think rationally.
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If she values potential life over the wishes of the parent, which has been shown to lead to violence, abuse and death of sentient children, then she is a bad person.
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Wanna know the glaring flaw in your argument? It hinges on the fact that ALL illegal abortion related deaths were reported. Which just isn't reality. That isn't how statistics work. It only works on those deaths that were actually reported. And they aren't. That's not even the issue. The issue is outlawing abortion would statistically have a far greater negative outcome for the mother than that of one who got a legal abortion. That, and its unconstitutional to NOT allow abortion. I have the right to liberty. My rights are not superceded by a fetus (which actually, legally, has no rights).
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@danedds1068 We only have data on things that are accurately reported. And statistics for reporting are very different now than what was reported on in the 1930's. Would you actually say that rape statistics are accurate, when nearly 50% of rapes are either not reported or not believed? No. Your information is only accurate in the context of what is actually being reported correctly. In the context of abortion, yes. A woman would have a 0% of dying from an abortion if she did not have one. I was only comparing illegal abortions to leagal ones, not deaths in general. If we're speaking legally, a fetus does not have liberty until after birth. If we're speaking medically, most people would start the fetuses rights at the point when sentience is obtained. That is well after the vast majority of abortions, which is why we have cutoff dates. No, it won't. You've been saying that for 40 years. And you already tried to ban abortion in places like Georgia and Alabama, to the point where you had the police say they would not enforce the law, because its unconstitutional. Banning abortion would be both a quick way to ensure no conservative was elected in any majority, and would definitely lead to serious protest and violence.
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You do realize being anti gun doesn't stop shootings right? It just stops lawful citizens from being able to interevene.
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@blvck.8197 The fact that you call it child murder when a fetus is not even remotely compared to a child, nor is abortion murder.
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@lotus9865 You are making a catagory error, my friend. So allow me to educate you. The definition of faith is "belief without evidence". You are conflating faith with confidence. These two terms are not the same categorically. You're use of faith in your example should be replaced with confidence By the way, atheists do not believe "God does not exist". One, you can't prove a negative and two, that would be a positive claim. Atheists lack a belief in God.
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Thats sad.
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If abortion is wrong, its wrong regardless of reason. So don't be a hypocrite.
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@conor.3875 I was referring specifically to abortion with that statement. And it is hypocrisy. To claim moral highground on a position only to engage in that action is hypocritical. Not that that's a bad thing. I don't think anyone is "morally consistent" and that's okay. Just admit the cherrypicking. We're on the same side, so I have no idea why you are debating me.
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But ice cream also isn't vegan lol.
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Imagine being shocked about being for rights to bodily autonomy.
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No, its not.
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Umm no. Plants are alive but do not have a heartbeat. There are several indicators of life. Murder is unlawful by definition, so no abortion is murder unless you live in a place that outlaws it. By the way, you do you place more value on a heart than a brain?
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@aaronk3465 There is no such thing as "moral" murder. Murder is a legal term. Morality is also entirely subjective.
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Because thats not scientifically or factually correct.
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Because owning a gun is a right in America and gun laws are a violation of those rights. Being able to own a gun in the UK has not and has never been a right. I know several Europeans that wish they had a gun when they were brutally stabbed in a back alley.
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He is currently on probation and is not practicing after falsifying documents withholding children from vaccines.
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No, not really.
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Umm no? No it doesn't. If you have autism, nothing triggers it. It just develops as you get older. You're either born with mental illness, or you develop it through trauma.
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As an atheist, I can tell you I am very hopeful.
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Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life by defintion is against abortion in ANY circumstance. You're still pro-choice. Whether or not there are other options doesn't matter. There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted in the US alone. Where are these so called families? Oh, thats right. They want children that meet very specific criteria.
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Then why does it die if you take it pit of me? Right. Because it's not its own body and depends on the environment I provide it to grow to a stage where it can survive outside me.
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Abortion isn't murder so not much to justify.
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A fetus is biologically dependent on another human's body. That makes it legal property. It stops being this way when it is viable without using another person for its functions of life.
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@crabsaresilly8317 I am well aware. But only 1 of those two people has their bodily autonomy violated.
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Thats not what she said. She said you don't have inherent value. I.e. you aren't valuable just because you exist. She's just right. You aren't special. Your life is only valuable if you and/or others grant it.
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That's because its simply not murder of a human being, and to say that is dishonest and disingenuous. Then again, the "clump of cells" argument is ridiculous as well, as all organic life is "clusters of cells" Adoption is not always an option, nor does it solve the issue of the pregnancy itself. And pregnancy is not a choice. Its an effect to an action that happens independently of said action. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 par·a·site /ˈperəˌsīt/ noun an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense. That's exactly what a fetus is. Parasite isnt necessarily negative.
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@theneutralguy2317 If it is to save the life of the mother, then its better to save 1 than neither. Take into account the nuance
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Fetuses do not have legal rights until personhood is achieved.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No, personhood isn't defined just by being a member of the human race. The state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics and feelings. We have characteristics we use in philosophy to define personhood, and whether or not you agree with this, one of those criteria is sentient consciousness. Something a fetus gains as it develops, but is not inherent. The difference between a black person and a fetus is a) sentience and b) the infringement of another's right. Doesn't have anything inherently to do with the law. Morality itself is a subjective concept, so arguing only from morality (which is what most pro-life people make abortion) is fallacious.
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Having its own DNA is irrelevant. Tumors also have unique DNA to its host, and yet we get rid of them. Being a seperate organism absolutely is a belief, because it is biologically dependant on a uterus for growth and development. Seperate it from that uterus before development occurs, and it fails to exist. Some pro-choice people do deny science, such as that the fetus is alive and human. However, science has no basis on morality. I understand that the fetus is human and alive and am still pro-choice. I can also morally defend that position.
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@mooncrow3758 Can I point out that you can't prove a belief? Proof refers to math. If someone is stating a belief, you can either choose to take it at face value or reject it. By the way, most atheists don't ask for proof when you say you believe in a God. We ask for proof or evidence when you make the postive claim "God is real". The people you should be mad at are gnostic and philosophical atheists, who actually claim there is no God.
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@entt4358 That is true. However, if he or she has no reason to believe that the buyer is prohibited from buying firearms, if that buyer commits a crime with that firearm, the seller is not responsible under any federal law, because that sale was a legal sale.
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@entt4358 I dont need to get a lawyer. I work in the law field.
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@parthenon5106 You stop a beating heart when you support the slaughtering of sentient animals as well. What's your point? Unlike you, I don't place human beings on a pedestal. If a mother has the means to not abort, then she shouldn't. I always believe abortion to be a final option. But I also realize that banning it will not save anyone.
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@benedekvarga5778 He literally has come out and said that he does not like the "atheist" label, but does not claim to know all there is. That statement literally makes him an atheist. He does not know what's out there, so he's constantly trying to learn. Just because someone is extremely intelligent does not mean their belief in God is validated.
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@Burgerman1171 I don't deny a God may exist. You have yet to provide evidence for one, so I choose not to believe in one.
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The whole premise of marriage is to receive tax benefits from the government unless your religious or spiritual. Has nothing to do with "closing off others." I think your view is perfectly reasonable considering culture. I'm polyamorous, and my relationship is based on love and compassion. I just hold that intimate love with 2 people.
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@duketruong9358 When a fetus is a human? Or a human being? Because being begets personhood, which is defined by individual personality, something fetuses do not develop until long after most abortions. Your opinion means nothing. Fact is, its not murder. Fact is, there is a difference between being a human and being a person. Telling someone to not have sex does nothing. Most people want sex. And after pregnancy has occured, that argument is moot. I agree that people shouls try to avoid sex if able. The difference is the person drinking isn't having their rights violated, and the person they killed has those same rights. A fetus does not. A fetus is property. Its chattle. You may not agree with that, but legally, thats what it is.
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Because he was an asshole.
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HipposOnCrack There is no way to stop unwanted pregnancies.
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Because its very clear by the context that she means that she loves the fact that she has the right to a medical procedure. She loves the idea of bodily autonomy. Not abortion itself.
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Bears, Hyenas, Crocodiles, Komodo Dragons...they are all natural predators. Ones that do not run from humans who encroach their territory. We are not the top of the food chain. We're in the middle.
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@vesselseternity3266 Oh yes I would. I'm one of millions of people who's life was ruined by unfit parents, and cannot live a normal life without incredible struggles. Oh, by the way, even if I didn't have that view? Still isn't murder. That's not an opinion.
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@ramboescobar3858 No one murders a baby during an abortion. Do you ever get tired of lying? Or did you just fail biology?
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God hasn't been proven.
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And no one is saying abortion is the only option.
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@criticclips1560 That's ridiculous. Accidents, even in this context, are just as far reaching as "God did it".
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hansNgilbert Someone doesn't know what the definiton of murder is. An argument can be made that a fetus is not a someone until it can start to function independently from its mother. Which is after the time most abortions take place.
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@bryanford1139 Indiana. Probably one of the most lax gun states. Hell, we literally have a city about 20 minutes from here called Gun Town.
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No. He was spouting beliefs.
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Your opinion doesn't negate facts.
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Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for anyone. I could personally never choose between the two men I fell in love with. Relationships are not always built on sex. Asexual people exist. If your communication is open, there is no jealousy.
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As if a marriage or financial situation can't change in a matter of moments.
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Widely available for who? As also stated on the previous video, plenty of places do not have widely available access to contraception. Also, nearly a third of pregnancies are conceived on birth control.
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You are under no legal obligation to vaccinate. However, certain privileges may be denied to you if you choose not to without medical exemption.
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And more regulations does nothing but prevent more law abiding citizens from owning guns and increases cartels and illegal gun sales. And what qualifies as serious mental disorder? Why should I be denied my right because of an issue I can't control? What's the criteria?
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No he isn't.
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@andyscott15 And as an atheist, I can't lose. So I'm not too concerned.
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@samuelsouza3054 So we lost our humanity for wanting bodily autonomy? In that case, I hope you get your organs forcefully taken from you to give to people who depend on them for survival.
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Youtube doesn't want to post links, but actually the majority of those that go through the adoption process are in fact Christian, but are Pro-choice. Out of 250 parents who completed the whole adoption process, nearly 70% identified as pro-choice. So no. Also, the majority of the country is pro-choice, so I have no idea why you would think that pro-life would be more likely to adopt when they make up far fewer percent of the population.
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Its not. Most developed countries including the US, Canada, Russia, Japan, China, Australia and 95% of Europe. So...what developed countries are you talking about?
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@acemxe8472 I hope you're joking. Very little of the Bible is truth.
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Yes, he can refuse child support. He can go to court and terminate his rights.
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Since when does a relationship have to be exclusive? You don't have exclusive relationships in any other context. Its simply about what you and your partner want and find most fulfilling.
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@milluh Do you not know what drawing a comparison means? If that logic seems sideways, its because your ignorant. I don't care what your opinion on capital punishment is. My point is that it isn't murder any more than abortion is. That'a not an opinion. A fetus isn't a person. Its property. No different than chattle. And when it is using a person's body, that person has to consent to it. Also, bull. There are plenty of instances where I bet you would find taking a person's life justified.
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Bill A. And I say "Only a Fool believes in something without evidence"
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@andyscott15 You have yet to prove an afterlife, so to claim this is simply speculation.
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@andyscott15 You can claim God is beyond knowledge, but you have no proof of this. I never said a God couldn't exist. I just don't believe one does.
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No, abortion is not murder. Keep trying to moral grandstand on a lie. Also, if a fetus is another body, why does it die if removed from the uterus? Oh right. Because its biologically dependant on someone else for survival, which it doesn't have the right to.
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@Deterrent-xz5zz Its not rare at all. A dealer, ie someone who sells guns for a living, always has an FFL. Everyone else is just a private citizen
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It makes me incredibly sad to see people like you who have been so indoctrinated by their parents that they cannot critically think. Wanna know a fun fact? A large percentage of us atheists were once Christians.
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@micahadamson4309 I was in no way agressive nor argumentative. It pisses me off that people find it "incredibly sad" that I don't believe in a sky daddy. It wasn't her stating her beliefs that irritated me. It was her backhanded assertion that I must live a sad life because I am an atheist. I do believe she was lying, but everyone lies. So that point is moot. No one just randomly decides to be religious. It is TAUGHT to them, and then they choose for themselves based on their own experiences. I don't think that most people who believe in God can crtically think, or they would step back to observe their views from an outside perspective, which I have never met a Christian who has done so. I am well aware that there are other opinions out there. I believe people who claim to know God are intellectually dishonest and are looking for a coping mechanism to deal with death. Believe in God all you want. But when you make assertions that a God exists, or that my life is "sad" because God is not involved, I'm going to call you out.
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@DreamsofYAH I did. And he isn't right.
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Quantum physics does not prove a God. In fact, you don't prove things in science. You prove them in Math. Most atheists are agnostics. They're open to a God existing. If you show them the evidence.
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I don't find it depressive to be atheist. I think its depressing to be religious.
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I love all these comments from Christians saying that "this is too much" when the OC is as close to Biblical standards of anyone. Or are we just ignoring the part where Jesus said to slaughter unbelievers?
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Yeah no. Polyamorous just means falling in love with multiple people at the same time, and wanting to be happy in that. If that's what my partner and I want, who are you to say we have no self control?
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Okay. You keep living in that delusion.
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No. No its not.
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@EricaRose Its literally not what she meant, and if you had any information on what the shoutmyabortion or iloveabortion movement was, you would know that. You're being incredibly ignorant, and there is no excuse for it.
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No abortion is done out of convenience because it is never convenient to get an abortion. Why is financial status, mental health, phsyical health or immaturity nit valid reasons? Why do you want a child born to unfit parents? How is THAT beneficial for the child? By the way, abortion can't be used as birth control, because birth control by definition stops ovulation.
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For those of you who continue to say you cannot purchase a gun without a background check, you need to check your laws. Background checks are only mandatory under federal law if you are buying them from an FFL dealer. You must be an FFL dealer to sell at gun stores, but you do not need to be an FFL dealer if you are selling at a show. The "gun show loophole" refers to these transactions. These sales at shows are considered private, and that falls under the states to decide. Unless you live in a state where there are restrictions, you do not need a background check to legally purchase a firearm. That is not to say they will not give one. They just aren't required to by law.
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@Romans_116 The honest answer is no one knows. The assume a God is a fallcious argument. Any hand you draw out of a deck of card is astronomically low. Yet it happens given enough time. Bottom line: There is no proof for a God, let alone the Christian God specifically.
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It is a simple medical procedure but so what if life is at stake? Quit pretending your value is on life. Its not.
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The vast majority of women do not have regrets about their abortion. Myself included. More likely, you're pro-life until you or a loved one needs/wants an abortion.
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Leticia Rodrigues Oh is it? Then how to children die at the hands of abusers, even when CPS is involved? The fetus doesn't give a shit if you abort it. It literally can't care. No one is pro abortion. We just understand why a woman would choose to make that decision. It should be about sentience and the quality of life that child will have, not strictly whether it's born or not.
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@peachiiejisoo5216 Exactly. So if everyone consents, you can't cheat. I don't understand how that isn't clear to you. Polyamory isn't cheating. You can cheat in a polyamorous relationship, but itself is not cheating.
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@travisjohnson7065 Since when is an organ "property" of anyone other than the person of whom it is? If the law should ban abortion, the law should force healthy people to donate organs, since you have then stripped the right to bodily autonomy. It is not my problem that a fetus cannot develop without the use of my organ. Its that simple.
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Please enlighten us on these people so they can be reported to the proper authorities. Unless you are once again conflating fetuses with babies.
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Mehtap A fetus is not a baby. A fetus, at the time of most abortions, is a non sentient parasite. There is a big difference between killing an adult, and making the decision to abort.
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So do pregnancies from failed condoms just not exist? Or are both of those choices wrong?
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No one is murdering a baby when an abortion occurs. Its not murder nor is it a baby. It is terminating the development of a fetus. Sex is about more than baby making. Get that through your head.
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@whistle4301 Why is human life on a pedastal? You destroy life every day.
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I have the same question for you. Why don't you think the world could work without a creator? Why do you need an answer? If you are so lonely that you cannot rely on yourself for happiness, you have a problem. 1. I beg to differ. Most atheists actually tend to be more educated on religion. Most are former religious people themselves. They lack the bias that those within a religion have. 2. This is correct. But have you ever stopped to consider why that is? Its because your Bible tells you, outright commands you, to slaughter hertics. This is the same book that supposedly tells you to love all of man. I am an atheist because there is 0 evidence for a God's existence.
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@travisjohnson7065 If you give someone an ultimatum, that is indeed a type of force. So no. It happens in spite of what the pregnant person desires. That is forced birth.
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You should have your rights stripped then as well and be forced to donate blood and organs.
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@rxpilld4135 Aluminum is an ingredient you eat on a consistent basis. Everyone has amounts of aluminum in them, which can be found in blood, bone, feces and urine. Mercury has not been used in vaccines since 1996. Thimerosal, the mercury compound, has not been used in most vaccines since 2001. It is still available in some luve strains of the flu vaccine, but is harmless. I understand that sometimes, vaccines cause complications. That is why they are pulled from the market. The studies you see are that these conditions that used to be a death sentence have been eradicated for the most part. I'm all for informed consent. I'm all for denying a vaccine if you don't want it. But you absolutely can be danger to society, and that should be monitored.
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There is no evidence of Jesus ever existing. Those accouts were passed through stories, just as folktales are today. The earliest books of the Bible were written decades after the death of Christ. Stastically, I believe a man named Jesus did exist. However, that's about as far as my belief goes.
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The very fact that you would try and convert them at all doesn't show love. It shows disdain. If you loved them, you would let them live as they see fit when they are causing harm to no one. Especially when you cannot back up your beliefs. Its impossible for an atheist to shove their belief down someone's throat. They have no belief to share.
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@buzzlightyearlight1247 Yeah uhuh. Keep pretending you care.
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And those are always considered in a majority of cases. There are also numerous reasons why those choices are ruled out.
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Then you should not be allowed certain privileges.
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@kinw5548 Sorry, but that's a fact. No one has died directly from a vaccine that could be directly linked to a specific vaccine since 1990. There are a lot of people who like to blame deaths on vaccines though.
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@protector9513 You choose to have sex. That isn't choosing to get pregnant. Pregnancy is a potential result of sex, but is not something the brain consciously decides to do. These two things are independent actions. If you do not support abortion being legal for a person to take, then you simply don't support people's rights. If you morally disagree with abortion, but are willing to understand the legality behind it, then frankly, I take no issue with the pro-life stance. A fetus does not have rights. A fetus is chattle. It is no different than property until it is no longer a biological dependent.
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Heaven has never been proven to exist. And if anyone goes to hell, God is a tyrannical monster.
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Kinda hard when there's no other argument for pro-life that can't be easily dismantled.
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Truth relies on evidence. There is no truth in religion.
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@SB-kg6iw Not everyone. I'm not
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Doesn't matter if it isn't the fetuses fault. Its my uterus its using. I choose whether or not I consent for it to be there. "It would become a full human being" Someone doesn't know that miscarriages and stillbirths happen still. In fact, 50% of implanted embryo's end in miscarriage, often before a woman even knows she's pregnant.
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And...?
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@huntertuggle2667 As someone who's polyamorous, no. I don't find that naive.
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It was very clear that she was celebrating the idea of being allowed access to abortion, not the act itself.
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Which they do. Sever your paternal rights.
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No its not.
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@sexyroach Because you actively did something that you knew was harmful. I know a woman serving 20 years for negligent homicide because she refused to give her daughter the chicken pox vaccine, which she ultimately died from. You should be prepared to face those consequences should you choose not to vaccinate.
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@travisjohnson7065 Nah. Being pro-life is just anti-rights.
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And subjecting children to abuse and neglect is so much better
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@travisjohnson7065 Morality is always "personal" because it is subjective. It will always be subjective. Having a moral viewpoint doesn't make it factual or objective. Nope, that's just simply how it is. If you were born and raised in a different environment or in a different era, your entire moral code would be different. The difference is, a born child isn't dependent on the body of another person. A fetus is. A child won't die just because it is removed from its mother. A fetus will. How you conflate the two is ridiculous. Because it is at the expense of someone else? Cancer is still at the expense of a person. Would it be clearer to put it that way? A fetus doesn't get to live at the expense of the person it is parastizing unless that person consents to it using it. I don't have a right to your kidney. A fetus has no right to my uterus.
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How is that messed up? What about you being born gives value? You aren't special just because you're born.
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@Tannayakillva No, you're way of thinking is just different from mine. I don't believe in inherent value. My value comes from the deeds I do for others and the people's lives I influence.
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@timothygriffith2740 1. I am very well aware of that, and quite frankly, don't care. I understand that rights aren't inherent, but if I'm going to live in a society and pay my dues, I expect the rights that have been laid out to be protected, not destroyed. 2. I am also aware of that, and every single one of them should be done away with. And yes, I agree it's a weak argument. That doesn't mean there's no merit in it. I'm pro-gun because it statistically proven that a more armed population suffers less violence and crime. And I would like to live in a world were everyone feels like they can achieve the very best, even if that's not exactly realistic.
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"In my opinion."
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@omega0195 No, its really not. Its a subjective opinion. I argue forced birth is wrong.
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@lauragill blade Scientific theories are what we call "facts". They've been demonstrated to be true. The reason we call them theories in science is because science is not concrete. It's subject to change as time and advancement take place. To put a supernatural entity into the same category as evoultion and gravitation is dishonest.
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I love how you assume that all pro choicers sleep around. And you still don't understand the difference between murder and killing.
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I mean...that doesn't solve the problem, because the problem is violence, not just gun violence.
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You only represent yourself. Others, like myself, can never overcome the damage done to us and wish we had been aborted.
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Atheists don't claim to know anything. They simply don't believe in a God. You confuse an atheist (someone who doesn't believe in God) with an anti-theist (someone who claims a God does not exist)
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Perhaps learn the difference between value and worth. Because those are very different things.
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Because protection always works...right?
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Haha..."well". That's awfully presumptuous. Way to just assume we want to be alive.
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Yes, you do. So long as it doesn't infringe on another person's rights. That's why this is a woman's rights issue, because people want to be put the "right to life" of the fetus above the right to liberty when they are equal.
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People don't do that. At least a severely vast majority don't. Its not a free procedure.
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@A2goddess Where do you live that requires you to show proof you are vaccinated?
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Children do not care about the affection one gives a partner unless you teach them to care. Its interesting that you must assume that having "mom and dad" is the only "non-chaotic recipe", when I can assure you that is not at all true. You can be in a stable home without a parent, with same sex parents, or with polyamorous parents.
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You also have a different culture, a smaller population, a different crime structure, and are under a pseudo dictatorship. America can't be so bad if thousands of people are dying to get here.
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Because its the same thing. If you're going to strip away the right to bodily autonomy, then everyone should lose that right. If I have to let a fetus use my uterus against my consent, you should be forced to donate blood and organs against yours.
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And you people are acting like adoption is easy and care-free.
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No, religion did not create morals. Secularism defines your morals. If you are not currently in prison, you do not live life based on any religious text. Unless, of course, you're cherrypicking.
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Fun fact: No it isn't.
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Been married almost a decade with twins in a polyamorous relationship. Sounds like someone has some research to do.
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You have objective truth, morality and purpose without religion. Thats what humanism is. And Christians were certainly were not the inventors of that.
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Okay. Then charge anyone who isn't a vegan with felony animal abuse. Your meat suffers a hell of a lot more than that non-sentient fetus
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So what? You a vegan? Anti-gun? Anti-death penalty? Life isn't the issue.
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@anomaloustick4471 Humans are animals. The point is, if the problem with abortion is strictly that it kills life, then being for any of these things is hypocritical. The type of life shouldn't matter if "life" is so sacred. No one "murders a baby" during an abortion. Fuck off with that.
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@anomaloustick4471 Because murder is a legal term, and even if I granted personhood at every stage since conceeption (which the law does not) its still not unlawful, which it must be to be murder. Killing? Yes. Murder? No.
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-Abortion being wrong is a personal opinion -You can be pro-choice and anti-abortion. -Most people don't like seeing dead things in general. Has nothing to do with with the fact that they were aborted. -No one thinks that.
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Thats not helpful nor easy. Ignoring your own sexual needs is one of the leading causes of sexual violence. It should be avoided when can and practiced safely.
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Polyamorous =/= Open relationship
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@grimftl That doesn't make you pro-life. You are pro-choice. The definition of a word doesn't change because you want it to. If you think that abortion is a decision of the person and the doctor, you are pro-choice.
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Then you are very ignorant, because thats not what polyamory is.
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@catbest8808 Polyamorous relationships can be open. But I know few that are. And they should not represent the majority.
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He wasn't right. Its irritating how many of you people don't know what the hell you're talking about.
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@Tayodope You say that as if a) people don't get raped and b) as if abortion isn't taking responsibility. It is. Just like adoption and parenthood. You can say that because you were privileged. Some of us weren't so lucky as you. Life is only meaningful if you give it meaning.
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@Tayodope Pro-lifers are the ones who want funding for foster homes, food stamps, Benefits and healthcare to stop. Those people don't want to fix the problem, because they have to spend more money. You aren't a "passionate voice". You're a privileged asshole who ignores those that have actually suffered for a "nope you have to have that baby" narrative. The fact that you DON'T talk about rape further soldifies that point, because it takes away any argument you have.
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@Tayodope Huh...it's almost like the government depends on the money from its people in order to have these services, and people like you are the one's who refuse to pay for it. By the way, the government doesn't pay for abortions. That's federally illegal. Of course you do, because you don't know what its like. I'm insensitive and selfish? When you flat out insulted someone like me who was abused and destroyed at the hands of an unfit parent all because "life is most important?" If someone being alive is worth more than that person's suffering, you are the one who is insensitive and selfish. Says a lot when you need to like your own comments.
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@Alpha Meanwhile you have yet to prove your God even exists. Alsox love is a function of a brain.
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As a biologist, let me correct you on a few things. -Yes, usually by the 16 week mark, a fetus is capable of feeling pain. This is long after most abortions. Abortions are usually done before 10 weeks. -Absolutely false. A fetal heartbeat is nothing more than a bundle of neuron fibers controlled by the mother that will eventually become the infant's pacemaker. This heartbeat cannot even be heard. It can only SOMETIMES be seen on a sonagram. Organs have only started forming, and the brain has not even begun. It does however have the basic neural network needed to begin life outside. -No. A fetus does not have rights. You can argue that it should, but it legally doesn't. Because it is not a person. What if that child was a detriment to society? Thats a possibility as well. -Most people don't have long-term effects. Especially if this was a carefully thought out option. You're far more likely to suffer postpartum depression or psychosis. While I understand your conflict, its important to understand these things. I think teaching about safe sex and the effects of children could go a long way, but it helps no one to just fight.
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@maxxypad8097 Oh? Arsenic is natural. Would you agree that that's good for the body?
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@ThomasNguyen7 I only own 2 firearms. And they were purchased at shows privately, because that happens to be the most common way to purchase guns in my particular state. Its cheaper than going into a gunstore and buying one. The "gunshow loophole" isn't a myth, so much as it is a poorly named red herring, because it refers to the private sales of guns at shows, which isn't a loophole, and people don't seem to understand that. My point is simply not to spread misinformation that damages the pro-gun movement. Like making the statement "you can't buy guns at a show without a background check". Thats a lie.
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The Real Cat of 2020 Uhh no. I know plenty of agnostic thiests. Agnostic just means "i don't know." Everyone, regardless of belief, should be agnostic. Maybe don't tell people to open a dictionary when your misinformed yourself.
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@williamkelley1971 Your 100% wrong. I work for the police department. Allow me to explain. Gun shows have 2 types of salesmen. FFL dealers and citizens. If you are buying from a dealer, then yes. You need a background check under federal law. However, citizens without an FFL license are considered private sales, of which there is no mandatory background check. That falls under the jurisdiction of the state. My state puts no regulation on private sales, therefore, a background check is not required. Do your homework. Any firearm not purchased from an FFL dealer is considered private under federal law. Private firearms sales are left up to the states.
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@travisjohnson7065 Reproduction is not a choice. It is an event that happens entirely independently of choice. Your brain doesn't actively control whether or not you get pregnant. So yes. People are forced into pregnancy.
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@travisjohnson7065 If it was a choice, then it would be a conscious decision by the brain and every sexual encounter would result in pregnancy. But that simply doesn't happen. Implantation of a fertilized egg acts entirely independently from the brain. You would only be being forced by those who are trying to criminalize your right to bodily autonomy. Over 50 percent of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Childbirth and pregnancy are the only examples of natural positive feedback loops we observe. And you should have the choice to experience that or not. Luckily, we live in a society that puts the rights of persons over property. Because that is what a fetus is. Chattle.
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You say that as if its a bad thing. Humans are selfish by nature.
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@IssyFishyy That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I think the rights of the sentient are important.
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Pedro Fernandes Yes. It is not my problem that a fetus cannot live outside of me. It is up to me whether or not it continues to use my uterus for development.
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Thats because you are monogamous, and find comfort in one person. A monogamous person would never have a successful relationship with someone who is (at least) openly polyamorous.
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Uhh no. Atheists lack a belief in a God. It is not a positive belief. She is agnostic. She is also an atheist. Atheism refers to belief. Agnosticism refers to knowledge
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All medications can have adverse side effects
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@samhg3658 I am well aware of what their definition says. I'm simply pointing out that it is incorrect. A parasite does not have to be another species for it to be classified biologically as a parasite. I don't classify fetuses as parasites, though I know people who do. My only point, a comment I also responded to the op with is simply that a parasite does not have to be another species.
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Sorry that you got brainwashed into thinking you shouldn't have bodily autonomy and that a fetus cares if you abort it.
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I know I would have.
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I had an abortion and don't feel the least bit guilty. I wish I hadn't been put in that situation, but I believe I made the right decision.
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So, a woman who has sex should be forced to give birth to a child she cannot handle? How is that helpful for the child or the mother? Nothing prevents pregnancy except a hysterectomy or abstinence. There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted. Where's the line of parents? Oh thats right. It doesn't exist. Yeah, those resources aren't as available as you think, nor are they always free.
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@gabbiel7130 No, sex was "created" for marriage only in your religious worldview. Animals have sex, yet don't recognize marriage. That's a human concept. You do realize that condoms nor pulling out are 100% effective right? The fetus doesn't care, so why should you? Its not sentient.
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@sibery139 Some abortions can happen as late as 24 weeks. The brainstem doesn't fully develop until between weeks 10 and 12 and after that, abortion should be cut off. The brain is only a mechanism for thoughts and emotions. The pain center that registers pain is in the brainstem. No, it isnt. Very rarely is that done anymore. You are given a pill or injection that terminates the fetus and then are induced, as you would for a miscarriage. I have never heard if surgery performed in utero. That carries far too many risks. I've heard of a pregnant mother being operated on while a fetus is in utero, but not on the fetus.
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So why does it suddenly not become sacred if the person's life is in danger?
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@johnchristian434 Our laws weren't based on religion. The founding fathers were secular deists, not religious theists.
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You can meet the right person and discover another right person.
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@PaganMinn Gender is a sociological concept. It has nothing to do with biology. At one point in history, all infants were referred to as "girls", regardless of their genitalia or phenotypical expression. No, gender and sex have never been the same thing. Sex is biological. Gender is sociological. And as far as just male or just female, that isn't true either. Intersex people exist. As do those with mutations. The definition of gender has never been changed. Its always been sociological in nature. Gender is determined by your brain chemistry, because your brain determines how you see and define yourself. Take your own advice. Facts don't care about your feelings. The facts also do not support you. Gender and sex are not only different but are not binary. They're bimodal.
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Your belief is a joke to me. Doesn't mean I don't respect you. And they acted that way because of the disrespect they were given
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@sethexd1904 You're just as bad and uneducated then. You would not be able to keep something like that secret. The child did not die of a vaccine. SIDS, AS, positional suffocation, a brain hemmorage. All of these are common causes of death in infants. This message is harmful, and she should be ashamed for spreading lies and misinformation. Yes, vaccines can and have harmed people. So can opioids, penicillin, keppra, food and seatbelts.
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@keishasims3192 Then my advice to you would be to not believe everything you are told. I'm sure the baby died, but to believe it was a vaccine just because thats what you were told is foolish.
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@keishasims3192 Yes it is. Because its untrue. And I'm sorry, but you're delusional if you believe that. What exactly in vaccines do you think would have killed them?
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Western morality does not come from the Bible, at least not as a collective. That is more 1600's Puritan times. Our morality comes from secular humanism.
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Yeah pro-life is way better. Those abandoned and abused children may disagree with you.
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Because the morning after pill isn't always accessible, available or works. Not everyone can be on birth control. Killing a fetus is an option because of bodily autonomy.
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What do you mean "behind his back?" Polyamorous relationships involve communication, and even most open relationships, everyone consents.
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@xthunderstonex6873 Thats not what murder is. And no. You are terminating the development of a fetus.
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Except its not, which then by definition, would not make it murder.
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@dumbspud9890 That's not what murder means. Murder is the unlawful killing of one person by another. Abortion is neither unlawful, nor is the fetus considered a person under the law until specifications are met.
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@TheRedNacho Considering that a fetus is not sentient and has no concept of belief, thats a strawman argument. It implies that a fetus would default to being born if it could vocalize, which is unfounded. So no. It doesn't really go both ways.
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Thats a contradiction. You can't have free will if God already knows your path. Then again, God hasn't been proven to exist.
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@tristinjudd2595 Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. I don't care if its a living human being. Its still a parasite. It does NOT have brain activity at the time of most abortions. Bacteria, insects and animals are alive too. Yet you have no problem killing them. If she does not consent to fetus using her uterus, she has the right to terminate the pregnancy while it lacks sentience for any reason. Period.
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Nah. Not getting a choice in what goes on with your organs is anti-woman though.
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Damn people really still deliberately misunderstanding context? Typical.
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@mischievousmuffins913 The lack of a belief is not a belief. I think you need to take an English class.
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@mischievousmuffins913 I have a lack of belief yes. That is still not a belief.
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Hypocritical.
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@jajeisi If the fetus is "not her body" then there should be no issue with removing it. But wait. Then it dies. Because it is dependent on her womb for survival. That IS her body. The womb does not belong to the fetus. Intrinsic value does not exist. Without a mind to place value on something, that something has no value. Souls have never been shown to exist.
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@lanternlant1280 So then...why's the fetus die if its removed? If it isn't my body, then the fetus doesn't need me, and removal should be no problem? Oh wait. It's biologically dependent on me.
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Because the Bible is against contraception, and they can't decide which part of their fairytale is most accurate
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@chavezharding7820 That may be a case, but that is not what defines a parasite. They rely on their host for their own survival, and up until a certain point, a fetus falls into this category. It doesn't have to be a parasite its whole life to still fall under the definition of a parasite.
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That's because it doesn't happen often. Why would I listen to someone trying to strip my rights away? I understand their point of view. They don't understand mine.
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Never once did the atheist speak badly about Christians. The atheist spoke badly about the religion of Christainity. Theres a difference between insulting a person and insulting the specific beliefs they hold.
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Emmanuel Poullard A fetus could be argued for or against personhood. Yes, you are killing a potential for life. There's a reason behind it.
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Emmanuel Poullard No I said potential for life. To me, there is a difference between simply "being alive" and "living". Yes, a fetus is alive. But it's not living it's own life separate from the mother at the time of most abortions.
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Umm no? Atheism is just a lack of belief in a God. It doesn't imply anything else. Also, that's only a "scientific impossibility" in the context of our Earth. Doesn't mean the universe was always bound by physical laws.
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Ummm no? You do realize there are many women who don't meet the criteria for government assistance right? You know what babies actually deserve? Being born into circumstances where their parents love them and can care for them. Congratulations on being able to take care of your children. Too many people can't
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How so? I can live a moral life without a deity. Just like some religious people are immoral.
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That's why life in prison exists.
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captain viral Not really. What happens if you believe in God and it's the wrong God? As an atheist, I can't lose. If God is all loving, then I'll go to heaven. If I'm right, then I'm just dead. Win win.
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So why can't you share a partner if that partner consents? The point of that statement was to draw a comparison that brains work differently for every individual.
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You know what else has its own unique genetic code? Tumors. Tumors have their own DNA. The "fetal heartbeat" is nothing more than the MOTHER controlling a bundle of nerves that will eventually become the pacemaker for the heart. This cannot even be heard. It can only be seen on a sonagram. To equate it to the heartbeat of a fully formed heart is extremely dishonest. 96% of abortions take place before the end of the first trimester. No, its not murder.
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The only people who say things like that are privileged people who do not know how bad others suffer.
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You have to prove a God and a devil exists.
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Thats because most of these diseases had been wiped out by vaccines, nutrition and sanitation. And most people around you are immunized, so you're less likely to come into contact with these viruses. By the way, you have been sick. You've just never been severely sick.
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That is a terrifying prospect.
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Waiting on the evidence for that.
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No medication is safe for everyone.
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If you're reading this, Jesus can't love because he's been dead for 2000 years.
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@justapotato2434 How is giving birth to a child when you're not capable of caring for it responsible?
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Because they're fun to shoot and they're nice to have if necessary.
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Most people would fail a psyche test. A majority of people are mentally ill.
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And when it fails?
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@cractrick9225 No, avoiding responsibility would be to bring a child into the world that you can't care for. Also, abortion is not convenient.
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Yes. Shame on us for supporting bodily autonomy.
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@curious1053 No, I respond to people because I find open debate healthy, and I like to correct ignorance and misinformation. I don't care if people chose to live a polyamorous lifestyle. I am more than aware its not for everyone. I am asexual. But I'm not an incel. And no, the people who are biggoted are those who believe that I am disgusting or should be arrested or have my children taken from me because I am happy in this lifestyle.
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Lindsay Alyssa It's pretty ignorant to believe in something without any evidence on the basis that you have an unnatural fear of death. Out of curiosity, how would you feel discovering there is no God? Or the God you thought was real was the wrong one?
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Because for most of us, there is no emotional baggage.
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@swagsik390 Except your wrong. Show me a fetus that can develop without the use of a uterus. That "other body" is a direct result of use of a woman's body. She has to consent to that.
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What do you define as successful? I'm polyamorous and have been in a more successful relationship than the national average for marriage.
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So how about the people who use birth control and still get pregnant? How about rape victims? Those with medical illness? Drug addicts? Homeless women? Your argument is severely flawed.
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You do realize you can have a romantic relationship...without sex right? Like...asexuals exist.
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Except they aren't banned in Canada. You can still buy a handgun and rifles. Also, people get shot everyday. They just aren't mass publicized. People are also saved every day
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@youawesome2068 Keep pretending you actually care.
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Saying condoms are "98% effective" has been continuously disproved. Get your facts straight. Did you even know that nearly 40% of abortions were conceived using protection?
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@SaiyanMonkeyDude No it isn't, because adoption does not become a factor until after birth. Its a solution to parenthood. Again, no. It isn't. Its acknowledging the inabilty to raise a childe in a healthy environment and terminating development when it is unable to think or feel. Everyone? So how about those that had health conditions or ectopic pregnancies? They should be tried for having the right to bodily autonomy? Should we also jail any person who has a miscarriage until it can be proven they did nothing to abort that fetus? I know you're misguided into thinking that your view helps people, but it really doesn't.
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As if selfishness is a bad thing and you are not a selfish person, which you are because your human. You come first. Don't pretend you don't. Also, 70% of the population are pro-choice, so the age thing is irrelevant.
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Felipe Lima Prove to me a God exists and which God is correct and I will happily convert. You have a freedom of religion just as I have a freedom from it.
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Felipe Lima I never said you had to prove anything to me. I was only saying that in the form of if you want me to convert. I asked which God because depending on who you ask, that God or Gods will be different. Yours is no more likely than theirs. It's funny that you do nothing but resort to insults. Believe it or not, I'm not even 30 pounds overweight from where I should be. I hold water because I have a thyroid condition, but feel free to insult me. You can control your mouth? You litteraly resorted to nothing but insults in every single comment. I actually don't even eat as much as I should, and have been hospitalized for it. By the way, I'm white as hell. Don't know where people think I'm Mexican. Also, I'm not even obese, though I am overweight, as is a majority of people.
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Because abortion is not a male issue.
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I highly doubt that story. If that was the case, I would love to see news articles about that, because it certainly would have been published. I am absolutely not for mandated vaccines. You should just be held responsible for any harm you cause. But to make up a story to try and spin a false narrative is just sick.
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AfricanH3ro Then I apologize. Thank you for having a sane rationality.
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Show me a fetus that develops without a uterus.
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@legoongoon7548 Its literally attached to her uterus. Sure, its using her to grow what will become its own body. But its biologically attached to her.
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@legoongoon7548 That's literally like saying a finger is not a part of you. If its attached and depends on you for survival, it IS part of you.
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@legoongoon7548 A finger is made of living tissue and cells. So yes, it is a living organism, scientifically speaking. Ironically, this is the same argument for abortion. It is alive. But it lacks sentience, at least until a certain point. Head lice are not biologically dependant on you for survival. Your argument doesn't work
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@mistynights2834 A fetus isn't a baby, nor is it a sentient creature. Thats the difference between a dog and a fetus at the time of most abortions. The fetus is living. But that isn't the argument. Humans are animals, and placing one on a pedestal is hypocritical. Sentient life is what matters. That doesn't apply to an early developing fetus.
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@whistle8388 Not a baby. Fetus. And it isn't about the fetus. Its about the pregnant person.
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Yeah the Bible also says we came from two people, that women are property and that genocide is okay as long as the person your killing is a heratic. Not a very convincing read.
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First of all, fetus. Not baby. Baby is post utero. Secondly, if its truly its own body then remove it from the uterus. Oh wait, but then it dies. Because its body is only developing by using a person. Being alive is irrelevant. The McDonalds you ate for lunch was alive and was actually sentient, and you took no issue with its slaughter. You take no issue with slow codes, DNC'S, or removing a person from life support right? "That baby will grow up" you don't know that. We hope that fetus will be born happy and healthy and grow up, but that is never a guarantee. The fact is that when you say things like this, you condescend to people like me who were tortured by unfit parents and are incapable of living a normal life, who would have opted for abortion had we been given the choice. A fetus doesn't choose to live anymore than it chooses to be aborted. If you're pro-gun, pro death-penalty and not vegan, then you justify taking life all the time.
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Mice Ears He wasn't right. Because his point was she wasn't an atheist. She was instead agnostic. That is wrong.
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As if abstaining from having sex is healthy in the slightest when you have an active libido. As if being called things like a "baby killer" and having to pay for the entire procedure out of pocket is "the easy way out".
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Just because someone is older than you does not mean he knows more than you. Because he doesn't. He's extremely uneducated on this topic. If there is a God, and he sends me to hell because I didn't believe in him when he gave me no evidence of his existence, then he is a monster undeserving of my love.
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Because its not murder? Or a child?
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No, we're killing non-sentient fetuses.
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Based on the fact that you aren't in prison, you are also breaking God's law. Oh but wait...those evil parts are metaphors right?
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@dbz739921 Because an atheist doesn't believe in God. Why do I need forgiveness from a person I don't believe exists?
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That's called Pascal's Wager, and its the weakest argument. What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Or the wrong version of God? If God is all loving, hell cannot exist. You can't lose as an atheist.
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@tyler6971 Yes it is. And I recommend using it and Googling the definition of murder.
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Ashley There is no historical or scientific evidence that Jesus existed, let alone that he was crucified and resurrected. While i don't deny he existed and was probably executed for rebeling against the government, there has never been archeological evidence to support this. These are claims made by non certified theologians who claim to have visited the site.
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Then you can keep being a close-minded ignorant asshole and stay the hell away from secular humanity that would prefer to move forward.
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Great advice in theory. Not so great in practice. Most people don't have sex to procreate, and telling someone they must have any child they create is ridiculous and unrealistic.
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Probably because you haven't yet demonstrated we were made in any image. We evolved. We weren 't created. Unless your referring to the act of sex.
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An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. I have no belief in how the world came to be, and frankly, I don't care. But I certainly don't think it came from something supernatural. So yes. I'm an atheist. And that tells you nothing about my other beliefs.
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It physically can't be used as birth control because birth control prevents ovulation. Abortion terminates pregnancy.
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Anyone who's honest is agnostic. Most atheists are agnostic atheists.
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Raa16 How is it not rational to not want to worship a deity who has every resource to stop child death, but actively chooses not to? If you saw a human stand by and watch a child die while doing nothing to help them, you would call the a monster.
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Bacteria have individual DNA. Animals for slaughter do too. Why don't you care about them? If its not her body, then show me a fetus that can grow without the use of a woman's uterus. No, its not murder. In the US, thats not an opinion.
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But that is your personal experience. Asexual polyamorous people exist.
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@kaleez4544 Chriopractors technically aren't doctors. They don't go to medical school.
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A fetus isn't a person at the time of most abortions.
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@chungs6496 Because you are being deliberately dishonest calling non-sentient fetuses children in order to spin a narrative. That's called lying.
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So being happy is selfish now? Okay. Then monogamous people are possessive and insecure.
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Except he wasn't. He was spouting his beliefs.
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You decided to take the risk to drive, therefore you are just as responsible as the person who hit you, so pay for it. Makes sense right?
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@demaxpacks5168 I never said it wasn't living. It is. I don't think life has inherent value. And it legally doesn't have rights, something I also never said it shouldn't have. 1. No. No its not. That "body" doesn't just magically appear. That body develops by using the placenta. 2. You're right. Which is why most pro-choice people draw the line at sentience. Fetuses aborted after this period make up 3% of abortions. 3. Because its not a baby. Baby means post utero. It is a fetus. Now, if you want to colloquially call it a baby? Fine. But its not. I think abortions should only be allowed that late for medical purposes.
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Uhh...no. You can't. The definition of one contradicts the other. You can understand both sides, but you can't "be" both sides.
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Yes because mass stabbings, being run over and firebombings are so much better.
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101327 Agreed.
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Children will say mean things regardless of parents. As a polyamorous parent, I simply teach my children that every family is different, and that is okay. That regardless of what others think, we love and support them. In other words "sounds like a you problem."
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Way to blame the victim. There is no excuse for abuse. All that blame is on the abuser. Unless, of course, you're accusing her of specifically dating people she knows will be abusive, in which I would like your evidence for.
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Actually, no he wasn't. Atheists do not believe in God. Has nothing to do with not believing in the supernatural. I know many atheists who believe in ghosts. But they do not believe in a God or Gods.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Abortion not being right is your own subjective opinion. I don't believe its right to force an unfit mother who cannot care for herself to have a child. And quite frankly, I don't really care how you phrase it. I believe every option should be explored before considering abortion, but what someone chooses to do in their life is none of my business. Especially when it comes to no sentient being harmed in most instances.
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@lotus9865 You're being dishonest. You are using 2 different definitions of the word "faith" and trying to equate them. Trust and faith in a partner is based on KNOWN actions. Trust and faith in a God is based on a BELIEF. These two are not equatable. Quit being a liar. I thought that was a sin.
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@liarose2054 Then God isn't that powerful, because he either can't or won't stop the devil.
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No, I see many Christians and those of other faiths calling him out as well. And they aren't facts, no matter what side of the spectrum you're on. Beliefs are not facts.
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Tell that to all the people who have been brutally stabbed and burned to death...
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IssyFishyy Just wanted to make sure. Isn't it so funny that we can be so radically different on this, but still find things in common?
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@bellaschwartz352 You should try reading the Bible. Its very much pro-choice.
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@bellaschwartz352 Oh yes it is.
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@bellaschwartz352 That's fine. Just don't say the Bible is against abortion. Because its not.
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Baby is post utero. Fetus. You want to call it fetus killing? Fine.
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That is called projection. You have confirmation bias, so of course they'll seem bitchy to you.
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Homebirth Homeschool Homestead It's not about life. It's about sentience. A child being kept alive by a machine when it has no brain-stem sounds torturous to me. 22 weeks is nowhere near the age where most abortions are performed. The right to life starts when a being gains sentience and is able to function independently from the mother on a biological level. A fetus doesn't care if you abort it, (unless you're having a late term abortion). The only ones who care are the mother, her friends and family, and people who can't mind their own business.
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Marriage doesn't mean anything, those who depend on a larger sense of belonging are unrealistic, and being focused on a higher purpose without proof of one existing is honestly pathetic.
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Vaccines do not make you immune. Vaccines can help you fight off a condition, and spare you from complications. Unvaccinated individuals are a vector for mutations, thus allowing no one to have any type of immunity.
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Atheists tend to know the Bible better than Christians do. In fact, studying and reading the Bible made me an atheist.
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I am an atheist and open to the idea of a God. It doesn't go against the defintion. Just because I currently don't believe in a God doesn't mean I couldn't one day change my mind. Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Might not want to call someone a moron when you literally don't understand the difference between knowledge and belief.
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The Christian's seem so deluded. They're living in a fantasy because it makes coping with death easier.
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Vs A panel of anti women's rights supporters.
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Science holds no argument on abortion. Sex is more for pleasure than it is for anything else. I agree with abstinence when able and protection, but that does little when the event has already occurred.
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Except...it's also being an atheist. That's why he was wrong. She is both.
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@Waffles.. Because an atheist is a status of belief, whereas agnostic is a status of knowledge (unless you're speaking philosophically, which they are not). For example: I am an agnostic atheist. I do not know whether or not a God exists, nor do I claim to know if a God exists (agnostic), but I do not believe in one (atheist).
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@Waffles.. A lot of people confuse philosophical and coloquial atheism. I think that's why people get lost.
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@Alpha Thats a no true scotsman fallacy. You can certainly be Christian and a member of the LGBTQ. Quoting the Bible doesn't make you right. You don't follow the Bible 100%.
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Its simply because that doesn't happen. Yes, some children may have bad reactions to vaccines, but just because something happens to your child around the time they got a vaccine does not mean a vaccine caused it. I get angry because people ignore science and medicine.
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@sangovere777 No one has died directly from a vaccine since 1990. I absolutely believe vaccines can have side effects. I absolutely believe people can and have been hurt by them. But I also believe that people have a tendency to blame vaccines because of correlation when it is not the vaccine's fault.
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@sangovere777 The problem with suing a manufacture is it prevents them from making other products that a person might need, as most companies don't just make vaccines. I think the vaccine court should look into potential cases a little more thoroughly.
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You really don't have an answer for the "cluster of cells" argument, because its the truth. The only comeback you would have is "everything is just clusters of cells" and would have immediately been destroyed by sentience. You're more livid at the fact that people are realizing that being pro-life is the wrong side.
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Yeah okay. Go take a look at the adoption system. Glad to know your against pregnant womens rights and the rights of the terminally ill, and for the systematic abuse of children.
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Hey there you got me. Yes I have. And that is very sad. Not sure what this has to do with me specifically or abortion but...yeah. thats awful. Especially if it wasn't a stillborn.
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Its not except in rare cases where there is an establishment that the mother had every intent to keep the child, when she's 20 weeks or more. The vast majority of cases where a pregnant woman is killed is the charge of "unlawful termination of a pregnancy".
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@mooncrow3758 I didn't demand anything. I simply asked for evidence of such a claim, which you did not provide. Because I never attacked someone for the faith. I never demanded a debate and you never gave an example. Because one does not exist. I never did judge you. Again, post the quotes as example. You can't. Because they don't exist. No, I didn't. I said a person looked foolish. That is not an insult. I never called him foolish. I never called him cringy, a moron, a retard etc. Never. No you haven't. Show me the quotes. They don't exist.
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@mooncrow9325 Except you didn't. And again. You STILL won't. Legitimate question. Are you saying I insulted him because I said ad hominems make you look foolish? Is that the insult you are referring to? Clearly you can't be bothered to use Google, because you still argue when I literally copy and pasted. "Wack" is an informal North American spelling. Technically, it's whack.
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@mooncrow3758 I will take webster and oxford thank you. The formal spelling is whack job, just as how Americans take out the U from certain words. Sorry if it came across as if I was saying you were wrong. You weren't, you're just using the informal spelling.
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The pro death penalty side is the one arguing from emotion. How is "because they deserve it" an objective argument? The bottom line remains is if you simply argue from facts, you would be anti-death penalty.
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@elliekennedyy Because facts don't side with the pro-death penalty side. Facts would be on the anti side.
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@CLSGL It didn't take but a 30 second google search to entirely discredit them lol. I understand frustration of YouTube deleting comments, but your studies are so baseless its laughable.
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You can eat both. You don't need to. That's an ethical vegan standpoint.
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Those things have nothing to do with each other.
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CutsiePie 389.0 Have an argument with me. I'm an atheist.
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@benjatorres6208 It doesn't exist without my uterus. Without implantation, it is non existent. So I'm sorry, but until you can show me a fetus that can develop without MY uterus, it is my body.
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Lizzie Allen Those are entirely made up numbers. 1 life also has the capability to end millions of lives. So tell me why those millions deserved to die because that one wasn't allowed an abortion option?
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@Earth.Ground.Shaking Nothing is objectively wrong. But don't claim you care when you don't. You don't care about the situation, you don't care about the mother. You just believe death is the worst possible option. Just be honest about your intentions.
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No. No it isn't.
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@rileyvirgil7856 No, literally isn't. Agnosticism is a fancy way of saying "I don't know."
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I fail to see how a manipulative person should be respected...
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Why wouldn't we? Getting vaccinated for COVID is important.
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Most ethical vegans I know are also against pet ownership, with the exception of those already in need of help. But they're against continued domestication, because they were not "made to be pets". We kinda forced that.
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We don't just "accept" violence. But if you're telling me that you would rather be raped and killed then shoot someone, then the "natural selection" evolution trait skipped you.
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You are projecting.
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Uhh no. Fact: Humans are animals.
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Polyamory is just as normal. As long as the relationship is healthy, its normal. Whatever that looks like.
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So...are you vegan? If not, you support killing as well. Or is it just that humans are on some pedestal?
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You're not mentally ill for loving multiple people and even if you were, the majority of the human species is mentally ill.
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Most people already do, and abortions are harder to get than people might realize.
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Because everyone eho gets pregnant opened their legs for just anyone, right?
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@mathildeyoung1823 Keep lying about abortion being convenient and pretending humans are somehow special, when we're just animals with higher cognitive function. Keep ignoring those of us who you're stance has permanently destroyed. It shows how much you actually care. Not at all.
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I don't know how that is ironic or sad.
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Clearly the context is "I love the access I have to a medical procedure regardless of what others say."
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@raftika1 I bought them legally from a private seller, which does not require a background check.
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Keep pretending that only XX and XY exist.
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That is such a bold faced lie, and it took a simple google search to prove that. On top of that, the US has 4 times the population of the UK. And yes. Getting stabbed to death or set on fire is SO much better than being shot. I wonder how many of those teenagers that were murdered could have survived if they had a gun. Gun restrictions does not reduce violent crime. Another lie easily debunked. You have the internet. Use it.
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You can't be both vegetarian and vegan. You're one or the other.
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@JimmyRonan1992 No, you can't. If you're vegetarian you wear clothes and use animal products. I suppose I should rephrase. All vegans are vegetarians, but not all vegetarians are vegan. If you use or consume animal products, you are not vegan.
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Poly doesn't mean open.
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@thankyouforbeingafriend9632 No it doesn't. Not necessarily. I'm in a poly relationship, but I don't get to go out and sleep without or date whoever I want.
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@thankyouforbeingafriend9632 Umm no. An open relationship allows any partner to be with who they want. A polyamorous relationship requires the consent of EVERYONE involved in the polycule. Not all polyamorous relationships are open. Most of them aren't.
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No, its because we understand the difference between a sentien baby, a sentient fetus, and a non-sentient fetus. Unlike you, we passed basic biology.
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There's...no reason to take the malaria vaccine if you have not been exposed to malaria...
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Neither do you.
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Except that "body" is ONLY developing by parasitizing the mother.
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@pewdiepieisdead9845 And?
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@pewdiepieisdead9845 So a getus can grow out of a womb without the mothers nutrients? No. It relies on HER body to develop.
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No, abortion isn't murder as it doesn't fit the definition of murder. By the way, you understand the pro-choice doesn't just include abortions and being pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion?
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@gregpresley1466 Abortion is not murder. Murder, by definition, is unlawful. Killing does not equate to murder. I have no problem convincing myself that an abortion that takes place before sentience is not immoral. The problem with the argument from morality is it is subjective. You may personally view it as immoral where as others do not. In my personal opinion, if its consensual and no sentient being is harmed, then its not my business. Thats my subjective opinion. I argue forcing an unfit mother to birth a child she will abuse and neglect is immoral. By the way, a fetus is not a child, either medically or biologically. By the way, pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion. And also, having an abortion is not convenient anymore than having an unwanted child is.
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@criticclips1560 You implied it hy calling it a lost cause.
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That is a complete and utter lie. Bob Sears made false documents claiming medical exemptions about children to prevent them from getting vaccines and is currently on probation. In July, he was accused of doing this again and if found to be true, will lose his medical license. I am all for informed consent, but these people advocate against most vaccines for all children on the grounds that someone they know had a bad reaction.
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You should not show respect to someone who clealy doesn't respect you.
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@timholloway7413 So here are the problems with your argument. 1) Abortion is not murder or homicide. 2) You are being disingenuous and changing the definitions of those words to suit your narrative. Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of one PERSON by another. Abortion is neither unlawful, nor is the fetus a person, even though it is human from conception. Killing does not equate to murder in all circumstances. 3) Yes it is. No problem with that. 4) Morality is entirely subjective, and I can think of many instances where, I bet, you would justify the taking of human life. No, I don't agree with your premises. In fact, the only one I agree with is 3. If it is 99% similar to other humans, it is not unique in any sense of the word other than maybe colloquial. "Unique" literally means being the only one of its kind or being unlike anything else, which is absolutely not the case.
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I wonder why wanting rights over your own organs and whether or not sick people should have the right to die outweighs forced life and birth...
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@matt1325 No it isn't. It has no comparable features to a child other than species. It isn't developed. It isn't sentient. It has no personhood characteristics. To compare the two is dishonest.
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@matt1325 No, it doesn't have personhood characteristics based on the established definition of personhood. The one who is trying to change the definition is you, not me. A fetus does not have sentience, thought, emotion, reason, individuality or personality. It has the potential for these things. Please, stop trying to morally grandstand and think about this topic from a different perspective. Sentience has no inconsistencies. You're either sentient or you're not. There's no middle of the road.
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You do realize more money and resources are spent to those on death row right?
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Polyamorous does not always equate to open. Most Polyamorous people are actually in closed relationships.
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So a couple of things I just want to point out. 1. You do know you can be against abortion and still be pro-choice right? 2. If you are pro-life, you are against abortion in ANY circumstance. If you claim to make exceptions for certain cases, yet preach how its wrong, you are a hypocrite. 3. Murder is a legal term. Abortion is, by definition, not murder here in the states. Killing? Sure. Murder? No. 4. No one educated judges viabilty or personhood based on a heartbeat. The medical and scientific community bases it on brain activity. You are legally dead when your brain activity ceases, not when your heartbeat stops. 5. 96% of abortions are performed before the fetus is 13 weeks. These are done via a pill, not a vaccum commonly seen. Vaccums and surgery are done for late term abortions, nearly all of which are done for medical purposes.
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Science is neutral on abortion. I am a scientist and can make an argument for abortion. I understand its life. I understand its human.
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If you're referring to abortion, thats not how most are performed.
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@conor.3875 Moral principles shouldn't have exceptions. If the OC wants to argue abortion should only be allowed in certain circumstances, they are a hypocrite.
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@conor.3875 No, I'm not denying morality. I in no way think abortion is immoral, regardless of the reason. Perhaps you and I just differ in details and broad picture.
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No you aren't, and to claim so is disingenuous. If abortion is murdering a child, then ordering Mcdonalds is animal abuse.
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@NornFang721 Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God or Gods. I don't know where you got belief in nothing. She does not believe in God, therefore she is an atheist.
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No she isn't. Stating that life has no inherent value doesn't make someone a nihilist.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No you don't, as you elevate the right to life over someone's right to their body. Period. And these rights are equal. I don't get to take a kidney from someone just because I'll die without it
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You are trying to make a potential for life matter more than someone's right to their own body. And thats not what we stand for. The right to life is EQUAL to liberty. My right to life cannot infringe on your liberty. And again. Fetuses don't even have these rights until sentience and personhood are achieved.
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In labs. Also, in what scenario would everyone in the world be gay?
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@Firstdon13 Gender has always been a social construct. The gay community is growing because now, it is acceptable by most people to be open. No parent just "teaches" their 8 year old that. They may influence them based on behaviors that have specifically been seen. You don't give children nearly the credit they deserve. Gays will never outnumber straights. At least not in any of our lifetimes. Yes it would be. They are made from human genetic material. Therefore they are human. The world is not sick. If you really believe the world is that terrible, feel free to leave.
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@liriettrod3282 It is their body. A fetus cannot develop without a womb. They aren't killers just because they did what they thought was best.
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@criticclips1560 I have plenty of morals. I don't need a God for that.
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Sounds like someone's not happy that people's brains work differently...
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 You haven't proven mankind is a creation. If creation = existence, then God must have a creator. Have you ready the Bible? The God that you know...caused mass genocide of people? Commanded those that didn't follow him be slaughtered? Give instructions on how to SELL your daughter if she's raped? You call THAT God moral? I can't hate something I don't believe exists. I think the blind fool is you, ignoring the vast amounts of the Bible that are absolutely abhorrent.
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@CharlesVanexX Read the Bible. The only 2 reasons allowed for divorce by the wife is sexual unfaithfulness (Mathew 5:32) and the husband "abandoning" the marriage by refusing to provide or turning to disbelief (1 Corinthians 7:15). A woman does not get to divorce her husband for abuse. Only the man can do that to protect her. You're supposed to work through all hardships. If she divorces and then, heaven forbid, gets remarried, thats adultry according to the Bible. But I'm sure you'll make up loads of gymnastics to explain that.
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No. No it doesn't. Any more than a sick infant being put on IB medication interferes with the development of the immune system.
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@forrestlimon Haha. You haven't read the Bible have you?
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@aaronk3465 Murder is exclusively a legal term. Without a legislative body, murder does not exist. No one kills babies in an abortion. That's more inflammatory rheotric. A fetus is killed in an abortion, and I empathize with the situation, not the non-sentient fetus. The spider I stepped on has more consciousness than a fetus at the time of most abortions, and as I see no inherent value in human life, an abortion is simply a medical procedure. I am much more empathetic to the situation. If there's any alternative to abortion, I think someone should explore it. But that is their choice. If killing another human is never moral, why do you praise the military? Why are you (usually) pro-capital punishment? Human life is not special. You're special (in my opinion) because of your cognition. Not the fact that you're alive.
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Not true. Many polyamorous people are in comitted happy relationships. I'm 8 years right now, and I've never been happier.
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Christianity is the mainline religion of the US, and a lot of atheists were former Christians.
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Because that's unhealthy for people who have hyperactive libidos, and forced abstinence is one of the major reasons for sex crimes.
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@anomaloustick4471 Sure. And if that fails?
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@anomaloustick4471 Sure. Go ahead and try. But people should not be demonized for doing what comes naturally just because they abort gor whatever reason
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Funny, because your Bible supports killing children who disrespect their parents and abortions.
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Who the hell cares if people around me get affected? I should have to sacrifice my bodily autonomy for someone else? Then are THEY not being selfish by forcing me to bend to their will? Ludicrous. They know the risks. They simply don't care because humans have sex for pleasure above anything else.
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@Humanity Galatica Forcing other people to live by your moral standard is selfish.
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It is not your place nor your right to take that into your own hands. What you believe someone deserves doesn't matter. Laws should be based on their benefits to society. The death penalty has no benefit, and thus, should be abolished.
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Race, culture, rights, economics. Better question. Whats wrong with America having guns?
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That might be the biggest strawman I've ever seen.
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You do realize that those unborn don't feel pain at the time of most abortions right?
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No, he wasn't right. She is an atheist. An atheist who also happens to be agnostic. In fact, outside of philosophy, everyone who is honest should be agnostic. I have never met a strict atheist, because most of us believe in truth. And to flat out say there is no God or that God can't exist would be a positive claim that would require evidence. I don't believe in God. That makes me an athiest. That's all atheism is. Agnostic is not a stand alone term unless we're speaking philosophically. You're probably an agnostic atheist.
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@fisforfunny2914 Yep, because it doesn't have the right to use my body without my consent.
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@fisforfunny2914 So should consent and bodily autonomy just...not matter? I'd say that's fucked up.
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@fisforfunny2914 "in 9 months it will be born" Yes, as if over 50% of fertilized eggs either never implant or miscarry. Get real. A fetus isn't the one asking for consent. YOU are the one asking for consent. And if you DON'T consent, then a fetus has NO RIGHT to your body. Yes, because its just as easy as "adoption" or "take care of it". Please live in reality.
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I really hope thats sarcasm.
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And how would that be? Because I'm sure there are outliers.
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@progenderrole1329 No it couldn't because there's a difference between being physically dependent on a person and biologically dependent on a person.
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@jamessmith4287 I did answer, but as usual, youtube deleted my comment. The difference is bodily autonomy, and person vs property. It matters because nothing matters more than bodily autonomy.
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Thats a rather brash and unfounded assumption.
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Because there are none. Your life literally would not change without a God on a physical level.
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@iannawilliams6951 You do not speak for everyone.
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See, your strawman doesn't work because you have yet to establish the existence of a God, let alone which one it is.
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@igfatherhoodfortruth2.014 I'm not confused and have no problem sleeping without a God.
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It doesn't matter what your opinion is when it contradicts facts. You get many at one time so your body gets a head start when you are very younf and more likely to develop severe complications, because you have no developed immune system. If you're saying you should have a choice, then you aren't anti-vax. Anti-vaxxers are people who are outright against most or all vaccines and claim they harm people. You know why we get angry? Because that choice you make has potentially FATAL consequences for OTHER PEOPLE. You not being vaccinated puts people like me at risk. That said, do I think vaccines should be mandatory? No. But I certainly think you should have certain privileges revoked, and should be held liable criminally/financially for any damage you cause.
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@CamSpaghett Because its simply not true. Polyamorous people spend quite a long time discussing with their partners when they want to add others, and most of the time, the polycule is closed. You make it sound like polyamorous people just pick up anyone that will sleep with them.
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Why? Does the truth hurt? All organic life is a cluster of cells.
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No it isn't. Perfectly reasonable comparison. You don't get to live at the expense of someone else.
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An agnostic atheist is a person who does not know whether or not a God exists, but does not believe in one. You most certainly can be both, and most atheists are agnostic.
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When you look at it in terms of real numbers, its no longer fractional. Sure. 2% of a population is tiny. Until you realize thats millions of people.
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Why do we care? Because not being vaccinated puts other people at risk. Sure, it should be their choice. But they should have their privileges restricted.
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Fetuses who cannot feel...are somehow treated worse than animals who can feel...because their life is terminated when they can't think. Babies aren't fetuses. You guys really love lying to spin a narrative huh?
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No it isn't. Very specific criteria have to be met for a double homicide charge. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy. That doesn't change the fact that all organic matter is a clump of cells. Also no. You rarely hear a "heartbeat" at 21 days, and even if you do, its entirely controlled by rhe mother. 1% is millions of people. So who cares about the percentage? Abstinence is NOT effective. We are animals. Most of us have a drive to have sex. To deny that urge is unhealthy. Abortion is never convenient. Its not covered by insurance. Its extremely stigmatized. Its traumatic. You will never be prepared, and should you ever get pregnant, you'll learn that.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Uhh no. Not in all cases. I never said pregnancy is a parasitic disease, but a fetus does fall under the established definition of a parasite. I want to restate that a parasite is not necessarily a bad thing.
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@mathildeyoung1823 A fetus fits the established definition of a parasite. If the parasite has to be a different species, then why is there a birth defect called "parasitic twinning?" The fetus lives off the host mother and decreases her quality of life. I'm not saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but it is what it is.
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But your argument would fall apart if all of those things happened to be vegan. Which exist.
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@KJV Oh we're just waiting for the evidence of this supposed deity.
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Lizzie Allen That makes zero sense. Why would an atheist be against woman's rights, since the only real basis to be against abortion is religious?
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@brandon3494 There is consent needed. A fetus does not have the right to use a womb unless the pregnant person consents to it. You aren't removing anything but the potential for life to exist. Also, abortion is never convenient. Simply put, a fetus is property until personhood is achieved. It is chattle. And the owner can do with it what they want.
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DJ Kosloski Pascals wager is literally the weakest argument. Christanity is a copy cat religion of a copy cat religion. What makes your God any more likely to exist then the thousands of Gods worshipped throughout history?
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Or they're just asexual who don't actively want or like sex or find people sexually attractive.
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"Why is it throughout history everyone has been in monogamous relationships?" Are...are you actually serious? That is NOT the case at all. Many many people throughout history had polyamorous relationships. You're just thinking of marriage. Marriage hasn't been consistent throughout all nations. Some don't even recognize marriage as a thing. That's why places like Canada have commonlaw relationships. The brain is capable of romantically loving more than one person. If it wasn't, you would never fall in love with another person say, after a divorce. The brain is complicated, and is wired differently for everyone it seems.
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We don't belive in "no God". We lack a belief in a God. "Why are we here?" Because our parents had sex.
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No one is pro abortion, dingbat. You're a killer if you aren't vegan. Get over yourself.
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Too expensive Not a deterrent Doesn't lower violent crime Risks innocent people Doesn't bring the dead back What reason do you have to for the death penalty...?
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Yeah, for some it is. It doesn't help to tell someone who is already pregnant "don't have sex".
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Adverse reactions are not underreported. The problem is people jump to assumptions. Every label for every medication has the verified risks. I absolutely agree that it should be a choice, but you're not being gaslit. You're being told the truth.
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They aren't facts
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KnownEast Good thing abortion isn't killing babies. It's killing a fetus that doesn't care.
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None of their children were put in "life threatening" situations because of a vaccine. They had a scary bad reaction. That's awful. But these women preach that NO ONE should be vaccinated. Thats dangerous and uninformed.
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Nothing of what he spoke were facts.
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We're critical because these people are objectively wrong. There's nothing wrong with questioning doctors. That's why people get second opinions. There is a problem with spreading misinformation and lies, and downright refusing decades of proven research.
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@entt4358 No you aren't. A prosecutor can try and bring charges against you, and the judge will throw it out. I dont think you know as much about the law as you think you do, or you just believe the entire justice system is corrupt
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@TinfoilHatWearer All 3 guns I own were purchased at shows and I have never had a background check. You have either been purchasing your guns from an FFL dealer (whereas mine were private sales) or your state puts a background check restriction on all sales. The "gun show loophole" is a reference to private sales at shows. This isn't really a loophole.
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@parthenon5106 The UNLAWFUL taking of human life. I would read the definition again because you clealy don't.
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Rachel Elise There's a difference between a sentient person and a non sentient fetus.
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No, they're just objectively correct. Abortion isn't murder.
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Pro-life=Pro-suffering.
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Why should anyone care about something never proven to exist.
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@Burgerman1171 God hasn't given me any evidence.
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@hunterhuie1550 Just because you don't agree with something doesn't define what it is. Stop using murder to define your morality. Murder is strictly a legal term. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Please show me where this contraception is. I can't get contraception (even if I could take it) without an authorized prescription from a doctor.
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Yes, because condoms are 100% effective at preventing pregnancy right?
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You cannot just "abandon" a child. Thats a federal crime. You can put it up for adoption or leave it in the care of a family member or friend.
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Abortion isn't murder. Nor is euthanasia.
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The problem stemmed from the fact that colloquially, atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive terms. He wasn't wrong because he called her agnostic. He was wrong because he said she wasn't an atheist. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with a position of knowledge. I'm not sure how we live in an age where people still can't get this right. She is an agnostic atheist. Anyone who is honest is agnostic.
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Diseases have disappeared due to many factors, including access the healthcare, better drinking water and nutrition and vaccines. Polio is spread through contaminated food and water. These diseases gradually went away after sanitation picked up and vaccines were made available. By the way, we do vaccinate against cholera (dukoral). Scarlet fever isn't a virus. Its caused by the same bacteria that causes strep throat. However, these diseases are now returning in areas, despite sanitation and nutrition. Thats because people don't vaccinate.
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Anything practiced for someone's health is a medical procedure. And no. It isn't murder. Murder is a legal term. Also, I guess fuck anyone who develops pregnancy related medical complications.
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No, because thats asuming that pro-choice only advocates for abortion. It advocates for the CHOICE including motherhood, adoption OR abortion. If you want to classify that as such, then I'll call yours what it is. Pro-Choice vs Pro-Neglect.
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That's your opinion. Forced birth is wrong in mine.
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@James-rc6qq It is forced birth. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Why should people not be allowed to protect themselves just because a minority uses thoae guns foe bad purposes.
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I...don't understand what you mean.
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Except you have that choice. Go to the court and terminate your parental rights. Then you no longer have to pay child support. Oh but wait. You want the tax, healthcare and work benefits of having a child without ever having to pay to raise the child. Sounds fair.
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No.
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There are 44,000 children waiting to be adopted on any given say. 13,000 of these age out of the system in a year and are kicked out with nothing. You do have a choice in what happens to your body. There should be no debate about that.
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Rape, incest, medical problems, financial instability, emotional distress...these are all good reasons to consider abortion. As a last resort in my opinion.
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He also had his medical license suspended and may have it revoked because of his anti vaccine stance. He tempered his language here because he was on probation.
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Two reasons. A) Because a separate person has rights where the unborn do not And B) Because that "someone" is a sentient person, where a fetus isn't. You don't abort a baby. Baby is post utero.
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@EstherFontenelle So in other words, you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you are okay with and ignore the parts you dislike. No one is taking anything out of context. You just refuse to acknowledge what it literally says because it would put your God in a less than favorable light. I thought God was omnipotent. So again, which is it? Is God omnipotent and will punish those who disobey him, or is he all loving allowing you to have free will? Because you can't have both. I don't believe in God at all. But I certainly believe that the God portrayed in the Bible is a monster.
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You do realize that not everyone believes in your God and not everyone has psychological problems from having an abortion right? You're being a condescending ass right now.
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@criticclips1560 I'm not going to argue with you. You are far to bullheaded, and it is not my job to change your mind. But the differencr between you and me is that nothing in my life would change if a God existed. Your world would completely fall apart if one did not. Love, dreams, intelligence etc are words we give to specific chemical reactions in the brain. So yes, we can see these things. Metaphysical does not mean supernatural. And no, atheism is not nihilism.
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He's not lying. He's just wrong.
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And if that's an option that works for you, great. But that's not how minds work, especially when they're younger. Protection and abstinence should be talked about in tandem.
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@hello-sz7hp Yes it is. I knew a 12 year old who was mauled to death by a Doberman because he tresspassed on private property. Guess what happened? Nothing. Does that mean I condone that approach? Not necessarily. Do I understand why it occurs? 100%
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@Humanity Galatica It doesn't matter what you believe. Murder has an established definition, and you are intentionally ignoring that definition in order to propagate a narrative. That is lying.
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Citation needed.
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@boguszmakowski2357 None the less true. Look at Poland.
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And while what that cop did was vile and he absolutely should be charged for it, lets not forget George Floyd was no saint. He was a felon who pulled a gun on a pregnant woman. Stop pretending all cops are evil.
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@anomaloustick4471 Not the mothers fault the fetus is unviable without it. Don't like abortion? Don't do it.
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No, we really aren't. Guns save lives every day. But keep believing the media.
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Nah.
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@izzyherschell7611 And I agree. I'm all for guns. Even if the gun show is regulated, theres no federal background check on private sales, who often trade and sell at gun shows.
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Thetruthwillblowyou away We keep arguing because we have fundamentalists try to shove it down our throat and change the laws based on their belief. No, I don't know that he's real. And anyone who claims to know he is real is either a liar or delusional. I don't deny the possibility of a God existing, but I think believing something without evidence is foolish. You know who's the real hypocrite? So called loving religious people who preach love thy neighbor, then actively hurt them. Most atheists don't say "God isn't real". They say "I don't believe in God." What faith? I don't have faith that a sky daddy is watching me. I don't need it. Haha Pascals Wager. The lamest argument. Tell me. What happens is Allah, Zeus, Ra, Krishnu, Bramah, or Odin is the real God? Then I'm still fucked. Your God is no more likely than any of the thousands worshipped throughout time. Not to mention there are so many sects of Christanity. Because we have evidence that backs up our theories. We don't blindly believe anything. Unlike you, we aren't cowards, and aren't afraid to admit that we don't know and we don't have all the answers. Who cares where the universe comes from? Why does something, except for God apparently, need to have a creator to exist? You look to God because you're afraid of death. You're afraid there won't be anything after death, and the unknown terrifies you. So you use some deity as an excuse to try to help ease it. There's no proof Jesus even existed, let alone that he saved everyone. Now, I don't doubt that a prophet named Jesus existed. However, there is no evidence he was any kind of divine person. I was a proud Christian for years until I sat down, without an indoctrination, and read the Bible. Full of horrific things and contradictions, I came to realize that it was foolish to believe in something I had no evidence for. My time wasn't wasted, nor do I care if you respond to me. If God gives you hope for the future, and makes you less fearful, then by all means believe. But leave me alone about it. I'm not interested.
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Umm, yes we do. There is plenty of voter data to show conservatives (who are the ones who are usually pro-life) are against higher taxes, easier access to healthcare and education, and increased spending on things like SNAP and WIC, all of which would vastly help those considering abortion. And you are pro-birth. You literally advocate against any other alternative. I'm not saying all pro-lifers don't want to help those that are born, but you certainly don't want to spend your own money doing it in a lot of cases.
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Humans are animals. Regardless of what side you're on.
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Yeah? The Quran also says that sperm is formed in the mid-spine, something that is absolutely false. How divine.
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@anonymousbo0318 I only brought up trans men because they can get pregnant, and they have the right to their bodies as well. Just as women do. My point is the person carrying the child has final say.
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Its not murder, because it doesn't fit the definition. 2 things. 1, you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion and 2, abortion is taking responsibility. What would not be taking responsibility would be to have a child you know you cannot care for, and subjecting it to abuse and neglect. Men already have outs if they don't want to pay child support. Terminate you parental rights.
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@FlapjackR That is absoutely not true. But even if it was, that doesn't make their belief's reality.
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And that wasn't even right either.
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@ihx7 That wasn't the issue. She is agnostic. But she is also an atheist. Calling her an agnostic INSTEAD of an atheist is incorrect.
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I'm polyamorous and asexual. I've been married for over half a decade. You can be different and be functional. People have so many misunderstandings about what polyamory actually is. More than willing to answer questions, and am not afraid of criticism.
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@fearfullywonderfullymade691 And that is totally true. There are people who practice infanticide, and that should certainly be ended. Most late term abortions are done for medical reasons, but there are certainly some that aren't.
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@havenhinton3775 You people are the very empotime of indoctrinated. Its absolutely astounding.
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@acemxe8472 Scientific fact require evidence based in reality. God, if real, literally sits outside the realm of Science. So I would love to know how God is a fact.
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@acemxe8472 You haven't demonstrated that. If God were a fact, he would not be called a belief. You claiming something is fact doesn't make it so.
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@acemxe8472 Its not a fact. Its a belief. Claiming God as a fact is just a lie. Because you simply don't know and can't prove it.
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@acemxe8472 Explain to me how God is confirmed by science. Because if that is indeed true, I will happily believe in God. Most of the Bible is fiction. Adam and Eve is fiction. The Exodus is fiction. Noah's Ark is fiction. You refuse to show what facts show God, because they don't exist. Have your belief. But just know that when you claim to know something that isn't, you just look like a liar.
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@acemxe8472 You did it again. All you said was "God is empirically confirmed by science". Where is the evidence for this? How is God supernatural if he's been confirmed by science? God isn't a fact. God is a belief. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@TheChgz Technically, we are cells. A "baby" is only after birth. Until then, its a fetus. And when it isn't sentient (when most abortions occur) it cannot make a choice.
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@Кремль You can't prove a negative. If you claim something is a fact, you need to provide evidence. We know several things of the Bible are false.
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@Pedro2NR Depends on the context.
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And is also one of the best providers for those in need of pre-natal care and STD related issues for people who cannot afford treatment.
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You can't destroy someone on a moral argument. Its literally opinion based.
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No, he was still wrong about the definition. That why she was irritated. Because he doesn't know what he's talking about
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Thats terrible advice. The body wants sex, and if abstinence works great. But to deny the body something it wants like that can be detrimental to your health. The fetus doesn't care. You can't miss something you never had. Safe sex should be practiced and abortion should be a last resort. But its not a baby and it should not be demonized.
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Murder is not a subject of conversation here.
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I think the fact that you need a promise of an afterlife and a deity that will torment you forever for not bending to his will is sad and disturbing. But, to each their own. I give my own life purpose
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@allisonhook6101 I feel like I'm a more loving person now that I'm an atheist, but thats just me.
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@allisonhook6101 I was a Christian for over 20 years. If you're asking specific denomination, I was a Catholic.
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And you can physically and romantically be in love with multiple people.
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Except that is not factually accurate. A fetus's development is being terminated.
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erica West Protection doesn't always work and the adoption system is broken as hell. Better to abort a parasite than abuse and/or neglect a fully functioning baby
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Yeah...imagine wanting women to have rights over what goes on with them over a non-sentient fetus.
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Nothing. But they can fail. And they also don't help someone who isn't going to use them.
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You people just love being manipulative liars don't you? No one kills a baby in an abortion. Baby is post utero. You wanna call it killing? Sure. But call it a fetus. A fetus that has less cognition than the McDonalds you ate for lunch.
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There's a difference between discussing your beliefs and asserting your beliefs as facts.
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There's currently 44,000 children in the system.
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Nope. Cheating is by definition without knowledge or consent.
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Then you don't love them. You cannot hate a "sin" that is part of someone's identity and love them. You are literally saying you hate part of who they are.
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Because protected sex never fails right?
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@Humanity Galatica Thats fine in theory. But to ignore your needs is unhealthy.
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You aren't pro-life. You're pro-choice. Pro-life by definition is against abortion in any circumstance.
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@mirandaclements2359 Pro-life doesn't just refer to abortion. Not to mention most pro-lifers makes exceptions for the mothers life and in cases of rape and incest.
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@LordFreak030 Most of what he said wasn't true. He didn't even know what an atheist was. Its less about truth, and more about claiming his knowledge as facts.
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Your bigotry is showing.
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@kingorange7739 Okay, so anyone who kills someone is self-defense should be prosecuted then. After all, your life being in danger doesn't justify murder.
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Because everyone who is ever put in the system is adopted into a wanted loving home, right? Oh wait...
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@jessicatoward2282 No. I would have rather been aborted than suffer. And most people I know who were let down by the system wish the same. There are worse things than death.
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@Humanity Galatica A fetus has no human rights legally until personhood is established, whether or not we agree with that. Human rights are not natural. They are granted to you by a government.
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@kuggacouragegx6093 Uhh...for the record, many schools don't even have sex ed. I wasn't taught sex ed in school. My parents had that talk with me. I didn't find out what a period was until I had it. I never was told about sex until I was 20's. Not that I didn't know what it was. But I didn't have sexual education. So to say its a lie is very inaccurate.
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Apparently, neither do you.
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The Bible was only written about 2000 years ago. Why was it passed down? Easy. Because fear controls people. Plenty of other books have been more important than the Bible.
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@arianna43 Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Thats why morality is subjective. However, you can have subjective morality and work towards an objective moral goal. Secular humanism is a type of subjective morality.
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C: Who created the universe? A: I don't know and neither do you. You have yet to prove that the Universe was created. C: But God- A: Fallacy. No, Christians don't win. They just think they have all the answers.
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That's only a guess you can make. Tell that to people that wish they had been aborted. Also, tell the fetus to develop on its own then without using someone else. Oh wait.
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@lucykhaos7503 So then what's the problem?
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@Isaac Carpenter Except its not. Federal laws do not apply to private sales. State laws do. I would be in trouble only if I bought a gun from an FFL dealer and did not do a background check, or if I broke one of the states laws regarding firearms.
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Ryan Coker No, atheists lack a belief in a God. They don't believe God does not exist.
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Your definition of truth is inherently flawed if you cannot back it up. Why not just be honest and proclaim it for what it is? Your BELIEF
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x You mean if abortion didn't exist as a medical procedure? Well it does, so your question is meaningless but I'd simply allow my body to self abort if I was so inclined.
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@laineyweinberger5092 If your parents aren't Christian (which I doubt) then you were introduced to it by someone else. You were born an atheist. Now, perhaps your own experiences lead you to believe there is a God. Fine. That doesn't mean there is. I do not want a relationship with a monster that cannot be proven to exist. And I personally think it's pathetic that you need a deity to overcome life.
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No, we didn't "descend from apes". Apes and humans share a common ancestor. The big bang offers a possible explanation as to how the Earth was formed. Nothing more. People tend to do better when they move away from God.
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@yup6730 No, it is. If you actually have an argument, I would love to debate you because by definition, it can't be birth control, and people don't just have thousands of dollars to spend. If you want to argue that the fetus is alive, then we agree. But to say its independent or seperate is just not true. By the way, abortion is being responsible. Just as adoption and parenthood are. Feel free to tell me your thoughts.
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About what?
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@judahmarx9742 No, because my parents weren't religious. However, I know plenty of parents who disowned, beat, and even murdered their kids for leaving the faith. I don't believe in your "Heavenly Father". If he's that divine, he could prove himself.
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That doesn't solve the issue.
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No, "baby" in the womb is a fetus. Only survives via attachment to a woman's uterus. Irrelevant points if its distinct, growing or human.
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That is certainly not true in my experience.
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@DanielGarcia-oe6rn they don't feel anything. They react to their outside environment based on chemical reactions. I thought the vegan was absolutely ridiculous.
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Beliefs are not truth unless they can be proven.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq No, what he is saying is what he believes to be truth. Truth requires evidence.
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No. You just support a person's right to choose what happens to their uterus. Please learn the definitions of words before using them.
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Atheism is not a religion but good try.
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@hettinga359 what if they were to tell you they wish they had been aborted? How would you react?
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I've never met a religious person who has been respectful towards me either, so I guess we're even.
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Jennifer Dale If Hell exists, fuck your God. He's a monster and a tyrant.
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@thefourthtuxzt3078 Simple. It wouldn't. I'm smart enough to know that I'm not special, and that there are thousands of other people like me.
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@thefourthtuxzt3078 Umm no. There is no deeper. If I had been aborted, I wouldn't be here. Simple as that. Sure, the lives around me would be different. So what? Who's to say it wouldn't be for the better?
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I would like some evidence of this so called God. And if someone loving someone else is a "failed standard" then fuck your standards. That makes me a better person than Jesus.
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Except there were 3 Christians, since they all professed a belief in God and Jesus. Those who really study the Bible usually become agnostic and atheistic. No, he voiced his opinion. He just got smacked with reality when he tried to state his opinion as fact.
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iGhost A lack of a belief is not a belief. Atheists lack a belief in a god. Atheism is not a religion.
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Not 100% effective Are not available everywhere Cannot be used by everyone.
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Just because you do something that is immature or reckless does not mean you don't get access to help and medical treatment. Just because someone drives drunk and causes an accident, it doesn't bar them from medical attention. The same is true for abortions. Abortion is not a worse option than abuse and neglect. Men should get a say. They just don't get the final say.
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No. Extremists can. But most vegans aren't like her.
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@travisjohnson7065 Fetuses don't have the right to life.
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Explain to me how being abused and neglected by unfit parents leads rk happiness
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Its not "technically" murder. Murder is a legal term. Its terminating, or killing, a usually non-sentient human fetus. That child could also become the next Timothy McVeigh or Jeffery Dahmer. Many of us who were the products of unfit parents, who were not lucky, wish we would have been aborted.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 It doesn't. And with abortion, the fetus has no right to life. It does not have rights, whether or not we agree with it. Thats why abortion has cut-off dates. Because that is when a fetus is a person. Sentience. That's when it has rights. Something being alive doesn't mean its living the the colloquial sense. Thats why me, as someone who is pro-choice, places the "value" on sentience.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 And if you have any sense, you would understand the reality that when born to unfit parents, that potential for living a happy life is small. But that doesn't matter to you. You would rather see millions suffer for the thousands that get lucky. And to me, thats vile. My life was literally destroyed because of people like you. Perhaps that is why I am so passionate.
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@aubreyprice9933 Because I think your "opinion" is wrong and harmful.
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@EricaRose Yes, and you are misinterpreting the meaning behind that statement by taking it as literally as possible. I'm simply informing you that isn't what she means.
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So do the religious. "I'm better than you because I believe in a Sky Daddy with 0 evidence"
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Nope, I don't agree. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. You don't lose your right to bodily autonomy just because you consented and are about 20.
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I would argue the pro-life group is more "triggered".
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@Hydra Except there's no evidence of an original creation. By the way, the way you are using the term creation is dishonest, because you use a different view if creation when talking about the supernatural. There is no evidence of a God. So I will remain an agnostic atheist until there is.
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@Hydra Sure creation as it applies to reproduction. That proves nothing about an almight creator of everything. You can't equate existence with creation, because then I can throw back that your God must have a creator.
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@Hydra Not of a God.
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@Hydra My existence only proves my parents had sex. It does not prove a God.
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Oh my god. Morality doesn't equate to "sin". Sin only applies to religious people. Are you actually dense?
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There's no changing the mind of a deranged psychopath...
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No, because thats not what she meant. She meant life doesn't have INHERENT value. I.e. you aren't valuable just because you exist. Value is something placed on you. That doesn't mean she wouldn't stop someone from hurting a baby.
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Please wake up in reality. If you really believe everyone born is placed in a "stable loving family", you're delusional. Also, adoption doesn't cover the problems with pregnancy. Also no. You are killing a fetus. Baby means post utero.
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I was more depressed as a Christian.
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Banning guns will not help violence.
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@dexterity5809 Because banning guns only bans them from law abiding citizens. Criminals will just get them illegally.
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@adriandejager3594 Gender is a sociological construct. Currently, most people identify as one of four. Male, female and then two type of non-binary: Both or neither.
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Yes. Yes we do. For a certain time period.
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So he's not all knowing then
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@buzzlightyearlight1247 You are deranged and sociopathic,and if you truly feel that way, please get help
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If we look up the definition of murder than no. No it isn't
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@AkonFenty1992 Actually, you twisted the definition from Webster in order to fit your narrative. I gave you the Oxford dictionary definition. If you want the ACTUAL Webster definition it is: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice. So no, you were debunked. And you were shown to be a liar. Care to continue? And if you want, I can show you screenshots of the page in both the Webster and Oxford dictionary. Because they say the same thing in both the book and online.
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@christianjilwan8817 Someone on a feeding tube is not comparable. They do not rely on anothers organ for their survival. The fact that its human means nothing.
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You know that may mean in a negative way, right?
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Not everyone in places like Africa has acess to hygiene products we have in the western world. Vaccines are just another step in protecting yourself against deadly diseases.
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Leticia Rodrigues I called it a fetus because that's just what it is. It's not a baby until after it's born. I'm not the one who lacks sympathy. You cannot have survival instincts without a fucking brainstem. Really? I hear everyday children come up to me and tell me they would have rather been aborted and how much they want to kill themselves. At a base level, everything is a cluster of cells. I never fucking denied that. I'm very different from a fetus in the sense that I have fucking sentience. You know what's despicable? Wanting a child to be born regardless of the life or conditions it's born into.
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Leticia Rodrigues Yeah I do. I deal with juvy and homeless kids who are awaiting trial or on the streets because their parents couldn't fucking care for them. Its a whole different ballgame when you are dealing with kids who don't come from loving or supporting houses. That isn't something you can just teach away. By the way, they're very good at hiding it. You can claim they all had a love for life. Maybe you were just too blind to see their pain. Despicable to prefer a broken, nasty, abused life to death. Believe or not, there are some people who would rather be dead.
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Leticia Rodrigues Who cares if it's a minority? The fact that it happens is sickening. No, I deal with kids like this to try to help them see another way, because they are born now. I work with them to try and ensure that they AREN'T this way their whole life. I don't know what their future holds. Killing a non sentient fetus and killing a sentient being are two different things. Instead of trying to just outright ban abortions, focus your time into treating the root causes of why a woman has an abortion. If we all did that, we COULD end the need for abortions. I'm all for that. I want to one day live in a world where abortion is no longer around. But forcing a woman to give birth when she can't take care of herself is not the way to do it.
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Leticia Rodrigues No, because an unconscious person still has sentience. You're still capable of perceiving the world around you.
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Leticia Rodrigues You didn't say in a coma. That depends entirely on the situation. Also, you don't stab a fetus. That's not how abortions work. Again, there's a difference between life and sentience. You're only charged with a double homicide if the woman is 5 months along or greater. Just because you want it go be born does not mean it should or wants to be. Not everyone wants to live.
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Leticia Rodrigues The states do not control the federal law. Do your homework. We've had 3 pregnant woman murdered in the last 8 months here. None of their suspected killers have been charged with double homicide. Know why? Because the state law does not override the federal law. That being said, I think that needs to change. I completely agree with the state's on that. It's one of the reasons I got into Criminology in college. Again, you're the one who's also trying to decide whether it lives or not. You're the one who doesn't understand what murder is. For me, it has to do with quality of life, because I'm tired of hearing children about to go to prison saying they wish that they had been aborted. Also, for the last time, I would love to see an end to abortions. But you're going about it the wrong way.
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As if the reason for sex is pregnancy.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Its not unless you are specifically having sex to procreate.
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So we should waste more resources and more money executing them? They're not any more a danger in prison than they are on death row.
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Yeah...go adopt one of the 44,000 children in the system then.
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@woobeewooo Thats your opinion. I think you may find a different consensus if you ask people in/who have been in foster care.
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@woobeewooo Yeah no. I respectfully disagree
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@LOWERCASEJOKE Way to attack someone for liking an art style as opposed to having any argument.
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@Humanity Galatica I like how you both assume that because someone is pro-choice (which most people actually are) you automatically assume they must be an unemployed lefist. You guys should get a proctologist to get your heads out of your asses.
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That's your opinion. Subjecting a child to neglect and abuse from unfit parents is also immoral and violent.
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Can something come from nothing? Yes and no. In our current understanding and with our current theory on physics, no. Something cannot come from nothing. Though, you do not to seem to apply that same theory to God. By the way, since you clearly have no idea what the Big Bang actually was, it did not create the universe. It expanded it. Here's a question for you. Why is it possible for God to either have came from nothing or to have always existed, but it is not possible for the Universe to have come from nothing or always existed? Way to show your bias.
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No. Cheating is non consensual.
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@potatopotatobuy239 You can't cheat if everyone consents. That is the literal definition of cheating. Its going behind your partners back.
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@potatopotatobuy239 There is literally nothing illegal about cheating. You cannot cheat in a consensual relationship. What about that do you not understand?
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@potatopotatobuy239 You can cheat in a monogamous relationship. In fact, it's much more common.
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No it wasn't. It was beliefs
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That is not an argument for the death penalty.
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You are also assuming that her family would take care of that child. Many families don't.
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@CornfordYT Then you apparently don't know the definition of murder, since by definition, its not.
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"Isn't living in poverty better than not existing?" That depends on who you ask. Many would rather die than suffer. Your right to life is not above someone else's right to liberty. By the way, an unborn fetus has no legal rights until a certain point, and that is long after the abortion period. If the fetus suddenly endangers the mothers life by lets say...growing somewhere other than the uterus or ripping the placenta, how is that the MOTHERS fault? Of course your Christian, which is hilariously ironic, since the Bible is NOT against abortion, outright CALLING for it. But we just ignore those verses right? No one has "more" rights than another unless you did something to lose those rights. Thats lunacy and is not what our country was founded on.
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@Orinoco Flow And in what way does it do any of that? It only harms your intolerant feelings. Who are they harming? Your body is yours to do with as you see fit. Forcing someone to do something with their body their uncomfortable with because it makes YOU comfortable is disrespectful. You haven't demonstrated a God exists. Your right. God didn't make anyone. Because he probably doesn't exist. No, thats not how it is in your fantasies. That certainly is how it is in reality.
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Another fact: The states that have the most lax gun laws have the least amount of gun crime. Another fact: The mass shooting problem is minimal.
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He would find happiness is pursuing something else. Seriously. Why do you guys NEED a God to be happy? That sounds really immature...
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Thats a strawman argument. The two are not comparable.
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@SWillTiamG One is sentient and has rights. The other is not and legally does not outside of the uterus.
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@matt1325 I will do some research then. That's awful.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg State laws actually can prosecute you, even if you do something in another state. That's called extradition. And yes, they absolutely will do that. Alabama tried to, and if you read the law code, it would prosecute anyone who returned to the state after having an abortion. I'm not saying the state will come after you if you have the procedure done in another state. I'm saying the state can pursue legal action under the law if you then return to the state that abolished it. You had a conservative majority the past 4 years, and you still couldn't overturn it. Because its an inalienable right. You would not be able to outlaw abortion in any state without an ammendment to the Constitution. Because it is a Constitutional right. The courts don't just get to change the Constitution. It doesn't work that way. Even if its challenged, it wouldn't pass. There's a reason that police openly stated in Alabama that they would not enforce the abortion law. Its unconstitutional.
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Mehtap An unborn child also doesn't choose to be born. How do you know it even wants life? I could make that argument.
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Mehtap Since when do people need a reason to die? Life isn't beautiful for all people. It's downright miserable for some, and forcing a mother to give birth will put that child in that miserable situation.
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Yep. As a pro-choicer, still don't know why pro-choice uses this argument.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah, I respectfully disagree.
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Louis Castillo Condoms break and humans naturally have sex. It's human nature. Wanna know how to fix this? Don't tell others what to do with their own bodies.
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God didn't give us free will. Your frontal cortex does. He doesn't influence us, but his so called "word" can influence what people do. Adam and Eve did not literally exist. Tldr; You haven't proven a God exists.
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Federally, it depends on how far along she is. You cannot be charged with 2 deaths unless the woman is 5 months (20 weeks) or more. There are way more children in the system then there are parents who want them.
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Uh-huh. So why don't people do the selfless thing and stay together instead of divorcing? Maybe because they're unhappy, and you have to be happy to make others happy? You can't love anyone without loving yourself. No, you shouldn't give yourself to someone. You are not property. You should live your life along side them, no matter how many people that entails
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@whistle4301 A fetus does not have the right to live. Even if it did, it would not have that right at the expense of someone else without explicit consent. I dom't get to take your kidney forcefully, even if I'll die without it. You wouldn't do anything about it. This is been continuously known as the bystander effect. Sure, you'll say you'd do something, but you wouldn't in reality. If its not "my body" and is its own seperate being, why does it die if removed from my seperate body? Right. Because its not seperate. It is biologically dependent, and that legally makes it property, just like chattle.
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Forced birth = wrong.
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I would love to see evidence of this.
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I do not have to respect the religon to respect you or your right to practice it.
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@ilya34prvur19 It would make this discussion a whole lot better if people like you didn't continue to lie and be dishonest on order to spin a narrative.
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No, most people are atheists because there is 0 evidence for a God.
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No. That is just...so wrong. Atheists lack a belief in Gods. Agnostics say the knowledge of a God's existence cannot be known. Neither of these stances tell you whether or not they believe in the supernatural.
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@cosmicremix311 Nothing wrong with that. Believe what you want.
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Except he's not. Atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive. You can be both.
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No where on the law books is that a viable option except in cases where the baby or mother will die. Have you even read your own laws?
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It is not a separate individual. It is biologically dependant on its mother and its physically attached to her. Souls have yet to be proven to exist. It is not my responsibility to care for a child. Period. That is a privilege, not an obligation. By the way, you have 0 idea how abortions are performed nowadays. Rarely are abortions performed surgically.
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You can't cheat if the people in the relationship consent. How are you mentally weak by falling in love with more than one partner and pursuing what makes you happy even when being judged by assholes who tend to go out and cheat anyway? Gen Z is more of this than Millennials, so I don't know why you just blame us.
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Except its not, except in certain circumstances. Its legally considered unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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So...hypocrite huh?
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So what evidence can you provide that God does indeed exist? Because if I have a shitty life, it's because God allows it. That is his fault, not mine.
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Yes...becauae criminals will certainly follow that rule. Won't be like drugs where you just spawn cartels...
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Yes...because that's always an option. Because its always a choice to have sex or develop medical complications, combined make up 3% of abortions. Which is millions of women. You know what's narcissistic? Thinking you have the right to control someone else's body. By the way, since you're so smart, did you know you can be anti-abortion and STILL be pro-choice? You do not put others before yourself in most situations. You can lie and pretend you do, but you don't. Know why? Because our brain is wired to do what's best for US first. Abortion is accepting the consequences. Its self realization that you fucked up and are unable to properly take care of a child. And guess what? Not all people believe human life is inherently valuable. A person who thinks a rape victim should keep a child that causes them daily trauma has clearly never been in that position. Because that is disgusting. Quit pretending to be smart. You don't know what murder means. You really want to stop abortions? Stop demonizing women who have them and focus on fixing the issues that cause them to occur in the first place.
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So they live in an alternative dimension simply because they're against the death penalty? Or is it because you fail to understand their position?
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And with hell, your God is a heartless monster who is undeserving of love.
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@blackbird4062 If God "gives love" then there is no hell. No loving being would cast anyone into damnation for eternity for a finite crime. He is not deserving of love if God is the God of the Bible.
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@blackbird4062 The issue is that your supposed hell is a place of eternal punishment. You can have heaven without hell. Because it's much better than life on Earth. If Hell exists as most Christians says it does, God is a monster who damns people to hell for eternally for finite crimes. That is not love.
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@blackbird4062 The fact that he damns anyone makes him a monster. That is my point. That is not love. Besides, I thought God was omnipotent. Which one is it? Does he know everything? Or do I have free will? You can't have both You have yet to prove he even exists, let alone which God out of thousands is correct.
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@ljb8157 Yeah? A period causes pain and blood. And we don't freak out about that. Capital punishment, DNR'S, slow codes. They end human life. So what? Death is a part of life, and its certainly better than suffering.
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Because there is no scientific argument to be either pro-life or pro-choice. Its about legality and your sense of morality.
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ilkin engin No, it's not like saying a person can use their strength and intelligence to prove themselves. Strength and intelligence are testable and measurable things. God is not. What is the difference between you using the Bible to prove your God and a Muslim using the Qur'an to prove their God? Atheists don't have to "borrow" anything because it is not an atheists job to disprove anything. An atheist doesn't deny there could be a God. They just lack a belief in one because there is 0 evidence for a God, let alone which God is right
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Contraception is not available to everyone. And some woman can't take contraception. And yes, we are animals. And sometimes, we do struggle with controlling ourselves. Because we're animals.
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Hahaha....except that isn't true. Sure, Christianity played a part in building society, but not in a good way in most instances.
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@kinw5548 No one has died from a vaccine in almost 30 years.
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@protector9513 I'm not arguing you are at fault. Even if you take precautions you are at fault. Just because you're at fault doesn't mean you lose your right to bodily autonomy or should not have access to options on how to deal with the situation. The analogy I was making has nothing to do with fault. Regardless of who is at fault, you have options to deal with the situation. We are just animals who were lucky enough to have chromosome 2 fuse to where we developed a prefrontal cortex. There is no evidence that suggests that those that wait to have sex last longer. In fact, the opposite is true. Those that practoce safe sex learn before committing whether or not they are sexually compatable with their partner. It doesn't matter if it kills a human. So does slow codes, DNR'S, euthanasia, capital punishment, war and self defense. I never said we had no value. But your value isn't inherent. You aren't valuable just because you exist. Its not the pro-choice argument thats weak. Its the pro-life. I will never support the removal of a person's right to bodily autonomy.
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Sorry hon. I don't believe in the Devil any more than I believe in God. And, delusional? You believe in a sky daddy and I'M the delusional one?
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No, I doubt it. Extremist vegans would be extremely arrogant about making sure they didn't. Not to mention faux leather looks nearly identical.
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The morning after pill is not available everywhere and is incredibly expensive. Plan B where I live is over $100, and people just simply cannot afford that.
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How are those fire bombings and mass stabbings going George?
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So its selfish to understand you cannot provide for a child, and rather than throw it into a broken system where it will likely be abused, you choose to end it before it can feel? That doesnt sound selfish. You know what sounds selfish? Forcing a woman not connected with you to keep an unwanted pregnancy simply because it makes you happy.
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She probably is agnostic, but shes also an atheist.
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I hope you're joking.
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Nope. Its killing fetuses. Who cannot feel in most situations.
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A polyamorous person would never ask you to be in a monogamous relationship if you weren't monogamous. That makes no sense.
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Not all married people want children. And abstinence until marriage is a horrid idea in many cases. Protection should be pushed.
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@fabiomendieta7022 Okay, so here's the problem I have. You are using a colloquial definition for one word and a philosophical definition for the other. This is dishonest, though I don't think thats intentional. I'll give you an example. My stance is "I do not know whether or not a God exists, but I choose not to believe in one". By the colloquial definition, this would make me an both an agnostic and an atheist. However, philosophically, I would be agnostic, as I do not claim there is no God. The terms used here are colloquial. That is why I responded that she is both. Agnostic, when not used in philosophy, is redundant, which is why many just label themselves atheist or theist.
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No it isn't. It CAN be unhealthy, but some people have a ridiculous libido, and to deny THAT is unhealthy.
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@chichomrt6459 There's a very big difference between being physically attracted to someone and sexually attracted to someone. Lust literally only applies to sexual desire. I know many people, in both polyamorous, open and monogamous relationships, who are asexual. Myself included. They feel no sexual desire. Hell, some of them are REPULSED by the idea of sexual interactions. You can be in love with multiple people, and the relationship could be closed or open. This isn't confusion. Its the way someone is.
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No, because no one is pro-abortion. That implies that pro-choice is pushing for all pregnancies to end in abortion, which is not true. If anything, the more correct would be pro-choice and anti-choice. But even that is problematic.
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@kateeaton562 No, the fetus is a fetus because that what it biologically is. I find it so repulsive that you're ignorant as hell. There is no practical reason for the death penalty. There are plenty of practical reasons why people abort. Get perspective
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No. No it isn't. In fact, its not a baby until after its born. Baby means post-utero. Also, no one is pro abortion.
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Yes you can. Human psychology disagrees with you.
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Sex and pregnancy are two different functions, even if one directly leads to the other. They BOTH require consent. Also, abortion is taking responsibility. Because they're self aware, and understand they will not love this child the way it needs and deserves to be.
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@Jadenmic I don't really care what you believe, because science disagrees with you. I don't care about either of my partners more. We spend all our time together. Now, do I speak for all relationships? No. Just my own.
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@Jadenmic You can literally look up brain scans of those of us who are polyamorous. Plenty of interviews with neuroscientists as well. The brain is a complicated thing.
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@lawinaabraham3073 I don't think its bad taste to celebrate having a right to your body.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No she won't, and she legally can't sue a father who is no longer legally a father. If a father does not wish to provide for a child, he has two options. Fight for custody or cut his parental rights. But most men either don't know they can do that, or want to not pay child support and still receive the tax benefits of a child dependant they do nothing for.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 And a man can respond by then filing for custody, should he choose to do so. He can also hire a lawyer and go through the legal steps to have his rights to the child terminated. Being the biological father doesn't matter if you are not the legal father. Absolute nonsense. You do not understand how child support works at all. And guess what? Should he fight and win custody of children, guess who can also be sued for child support? Thats right. Now the woman has to pay. There is a lot of injustice towards men. There's also a lot of people who don't know the actual laws.
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How exactly does raping and murdering someone affect your bodily autonomy...? I mean, I know where this strawman is going but have some manner of logic.
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@travisjohnson7065 So should you. If the issue is life, then those sperm are just as living as the developing embryo.
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@wifeu6966 No, its not. Nice try being dishonest. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Abortion does NOT fit this definition.
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@wifeu6966 No, actually it doesn't. Because we do not get the idea of personhood from biology. It comes from philosophy. Now if you argue that a fetus conceived by 2 humans is alive and human, then yes. You are correct. But it is not a person.
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You...do realize that asexual polyamorous people exist right? And that usually more adult income leads to more stability? Also, you can be committed to multiple people. You just kinda sound jealous that people can have multiple partners that love them, so you lash out.
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Because pro-choice is about making a rational choice about what is best for you and the unborn, not immediately jumping to abortion. Pro-life is more anti-life than pro-choice is.
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@zachman5150 Yes...now try finiding a doctor that will do it before your in your mid 30's. Also, neither a vasectomy nor a tubal ligation 100% prevents pregnancy. Only way is a full/partial hysterectomy.
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@UC09LHwVJGOmYixy9Pyt4xXw Except that doesn't happen. You need to have extensive treatment before a doctor will consider you for that. I have lupus and severe endometriosis, and I cannot find a doctor who will give me a hysterectomy because I'm "too young."
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Those who are educated and are pro-choice know life begins at conception. We're also informed enough to know that life is not what most people value post utero.
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Bunny Kotton kandy 1) No it's not murder, as murder is by definition unlawful. 2) No, life is not inherently valuable. 3) Fetus, not a baby. 4) The fetuses developing body is physically attached to you and is only developing that body by leeching off your vital nutrients. So it is your body up until that fetuses body can start functioning on its own.
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Bunny Kotton kandy No dear. Taking a life is KILLING. Taking a life UNLAWFULLY is murder. Abortion doesn't fall into that definition in the United States.
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Because no one wants to put in the effort or money it takes to fix the system.
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Why is it selfish to be in a relationship where everyone is happy?
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@sexyroach I understand and agree with that. In no way do I believe that the government should mandate vaccines. However, you should be held accountable for your actions. By the way, as far as harmful toxins and carcinogens, that's just untrue. There is nothing in vaccines you are not exposed to every day or that the body doesn't produce naturally. Yes. Her cause of death was pneumonia caused by the chicken pox virus. Something she would have been able to recover from should her mother had decided to allow treatment. While I doubt you'll find much information on her, the girl's name was Rachel Fawley. She died in 2002 if memory serves me.
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I mean...if that "character" is an unlikable ass, its kinda hard to like him.
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Atheist is a lack of a belief in God. It tells you nothing about other beliefs. Agnostic is a redundant term because everyone should be agnostic. Agnostic is a knowledge claim on the existence of God.
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No, that is no correct. Atheists lack a belief in Gods. That is not a belief.
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The death penalty is not, and has never been, a deterrent. It only deters those who would never do it in the first place. It does not deter would be criminals.
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@that_single_mama What you are describing is a late term abortion, something performed nearly exclusively for medical reasons. And that is not what 96% of abortions look like.
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@travisjohnson7065 How about not trying to push your personal morality as objectively right? Since you know...its subjective? If its not my body, then why does a fetus die if its removed from me? It's its own body right? You do not inherently have rights, and even if you did, they are all equal. You do not get to live at the expense of someone else. Its that simple.
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Except we know that isn't factually accurate.
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@anarchy7741 Unfortunately, thats not an option for all people. I have Crohn's disease. Most plant life wreaks havoc on my digestive system. I was vegan for 6 years, but it got to the point where I had to eat meat to have a healthy system. We should encourage less meat consumption. Not force someone to stick to a diet.
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Pro life= moronic fucks who are so mentally ill that they don't care about the rights of other people or quality of life.
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@Alpha Yet you like to equate existence with creation. Humans may not have been a creation either.
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@Alpha Not in the sense of a species, which is what I was referring to.
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@lv4628 There is no difference between a God who does nothing and a God who doesn't exist. I understand people have it. I just think, personally, its foolish. Eh, I was a Christian for a long period of time. Not really interested in going back. But as long as your faith doesn't hurt others, I don't care.
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Because there are 14,000 denominations stemming from different beliefs.
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Sounds like projection.
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@ThePicasoBlack What he's saying is exitence only means creation on a material plane. When you speak of a God, you are no longer dealing with material. You are dealing with the supernatural. The supernatural is not bound by the laws that constitute our world, which can and have, changed. "Look at the trees" is not evidence of a creator. Its evidence that trees exist. To claim this as evidence that there MUST be a creator is called "God of the Gaps fallacy". You see something that either you, or the human race as a whole, does not have an answer for, so it must be God. This isn't the way to think. My life as an atheist does not change if God does exist, which I acknowledge may be true. But your life completely crumbles if one does not. That is why I choose, personally, to be an atheist.
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Because you should when it harms no one else. That isn't emotionally immature.
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The "body that's growing inside my body" cannot continue to do that without using me, something it has no right to do unless I allow it. I do get to make that decision because only I own my uterus. It is not my problem that the fetus will die if removed from it before a certain period of time. Everyone is selfish. You come first in your own life. Quit pretending being selfish is a bad thing. No, abortion is not murder. Again, quit being a liar in order to spin a narrative. That's a fetuses life that cares less about death than the cow that was butchered for the McDonald's you ate for lunch. It is my right to take it because its using my body.
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No it isn't. Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in a God. It tells you nothinf about any other beliefs.
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@Lila17_ The brainstem, which is what controls subconcious bodily functions, does not develop entirely until between the 10th and 12th week of pregnancy. The brain itself doesn't develop until the 14th to 15th week. Organs are the first thing to begin to develop, but the heart isn't developed at 6 weeks. That's an easily debunked lie. I never said it wasn't alive. It is. Your right it was cruel. I would not have had to suffer that had my mom been allowed an abortion. So way to trivialize my suffering, and the suffering of millions of others. Some people aren't ready to be parents. That's why abortion exists.
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For one, no one is pro-abortion. Secondly, I can defend being pro-choice pretty easily. You may say my arguments are horrible, but that's because you have bias. I can't find a legitimate argument for pro-life other than its human life and muh religion.
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Abortion is an option no matter what the reason.
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@genikhairav7662 I mean, it is. Just like a DNR, slow code, removing someone off of life support, or shooting some fucker who's on your property-
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@milfbandit4252 I'm almost 30 ans have the exact same opinion. I advocate to abolish the death penalty completely.
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No one is obligated to respect your beliefs when it has caused severe harm to others. I respect your right to believe and I respect you as a person. I do not respect religion.
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No, thats still wrong. The knowledge that a God is unknowable is agnosticism. That is not a stand alone claim. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@danielaguilera9363 You cannot know what you cannot prove exists. The claim to know God exists is dishonest.
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@danielaguilera9363 No, thats why being agnostic should be the baseline. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God. Not a belief that a god does not exist. Thats called anti-theism, also known as philosophical atheism. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know whether or not a God is real, but do not believe in one because there is no evidence for one.
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Yeah, lets pretend that all sex is a choice. But even so, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Period.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Consenting to the act of sex is not consenting to the implantation of a zygote. Sex is not just for reproduction. Doing it doesn't mean a fetus can suddenly use me.
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@notlogical4016 Except you don't in all cases. Just depends on whether you are buying privately or from a dealer.
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@0786RICARDO I already have. I have been and will always be pro-choice.
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Yes...back when he hung people for sleeping with someone out of wedlock and children were lucky to live to adulthood. So much better...
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He wasn't right about anything. Just deluded into thinking he was right.
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Except you could potentially be a danger to others. I believe in your right to choose, but you should be held accountable criminally and financially if you hurt someone.
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@Zanta100 Not true. Agnostic simply means the knowledge of God is unknowable. You can have that lack of knowledge but still believe in a God, which would make you an agnostic theist.
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What is religion? That depends entirely on your interpretation of the Bible. If We're going by biblical scripture, her father was right and she is going to hell. See the problem?
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1) The majority of the population is mentally ill. And 2) How is advocating for rights of women deluded?
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Its called pro-choice because you get a choice in whether it can use your body for its development.
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You mean act superior, be more condescending, and use even more fallacies? Great idea.
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Then you do hate them. You are literally "disagreeing" with who they are as a person. Its impossible to like someone you do not recognize as an equal.
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@A2goddess Damn. I've never had to show my card
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A belief is not a fact. People disliked the old man because he was rude and uneducated.
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@scottpe6226 He did falsify documents. He claimed children had medical exemptions from vaccines that they DID NOT have and there was no evidence for. That is gross negligence. Yes there is because he did the same thing in June of 2019 while still on probation. If it is found to be true that he faked medical exemption from vaccines, then his license will be revoked because he violated his probation.
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@hello-sz7hp That is your opinion
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And that's perfectly fine advice. But the problem is its not always effective or discussed, and it does not help a pregnancy that has already occured.
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In 96% of abortions, the fetus isn't "conscious". The other 4% are done nearly exclusively for medical reasons.
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She was also an atheist. Agnostic is a redundant term. Everyone should be agnostic.
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It isn't, if you want to be really technical. Its killing a fetus, since "baby" is post-utero. Its certainly stopping the development of a fetus into a baby.
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Christians also believe that if you don't do everything your supposed deity says, you will burn in a lake of fire forever. What a wounderful afterlife. I find atheists have more fun in life, because I believe this life is the only one I have. Why is life so special if I'm just going to live again?
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@travisjohnson7065 You're wording here is strange, but as someone with a Master's in biology, we don't specifically say its her body. We just state it is a biological dependent, which, colloquially would be equivalent to being "the mothers body". If you remove the fetus from her uterus before viability, it will die. It's potential is there, but its individuality is not. Tldr; If you claim its a torally seperate entity not applicable to bodily autonomy, then removing it from the uterus should be no issue.
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You'd have to prove there is a life after death first.
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And how is that?
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Since when is immense suffering better than never suffering at all?
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Christina Pautu Then more power to you. I'm fine with faith if it gives you hope for the future. All that matters is it makes you happy and you don't harm others.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Yes. Yes Indeed I do agree with that. You are entitled to not be forced to take any form of medication, including vaccines.
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@lotus9865 I am not an evolutionary biologist. If you want detailed explanations about evolution and change of kind, use Google. Also, its really weak to like your own comments.
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There is no such thing as fool proof contraception. An IUD is not fool proof. On top of that, thats an option not available to everyone. You won't talk about it because you would end up being a hypocrite.
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Nope. You will see the same thing you see in other countries that have banned abortions. A higher death rate in women from botched abortions, a higher childbirth death rate, and people skipping the country to have one. The same people who want to ban abortion are usually those who don't believe in contraception. Don't know how you drew that conclusion.
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@Humanity Galatica No, it's really not.
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@Humanity Galatica No. Its not. Its not necessarily a bad or good thing.
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@Humanity Galatica That's not true. I never said inherently. I said in general. We generally cause destruction with good intentions on civilization. But this planet can only support so many people for so long.
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@Humanity Galatica You do realize that progress causes destruction right? They're two sides of the same coin. You will never see a time where we have moved off planet.
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Because asexual polyamorous people don't exist?
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Not necessarily. That would be an anti-theist or a gnostic atheist. I am an atheist, who also happens to be agnostic. Jeremy was wrong because he asserts you cannot be both. And you can.
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Yes how dare we support bodily autonomy and think that unfit parents shouldn't have children they will abuse...
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You have obviously never been in a dangerous situation. ANYTHING is a weapong. Your fists, a car, a bat. Those who want to hurt you will do it. And you wish to disarm the good people who want to help and protect themselves.
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Nothing that he said was factual.
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That's because you have an unhealthy fear of death, and the act is not what she is celebrating. The choice to legally take that act is what is celebrated.
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What you think doesn't make it reality. There is NOTHING in vaccines that you don't consume or that your body doesn't naturally produce. Autism is a genetic disorder. It has nothing to do with vaccines. Your child will either have or not have autism on the day its born. Do you know what vaccines are for? They're to try and protect you against complications. HPV can cause cervical and ovarian cancer, two of the worst cancers a woman can get that are nearly always untreatable if caught late. What difference does it make? How about children that can't be vaccinated? How about risk of new strains, like the coronavirus that now nobody is vaccinated against? You being vaccinated doesn't prevent you from getting a virus.
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All three of those are Christians.
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@emperortrajan2461 Birth control fails. Spoken like a true hypocrite.
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@emperortrajan2461 And yet it still fails. So what about those who get pregnant on birth control? Are they allowed abortions?
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No. I don't care what you believe. But I DO care about religion. Because its toxic and it gives people an excuse to be assholes. When the religious can keep it to themselves and keep their religion out of politics, I won't care.
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Pro birth more like it...
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@catbest8808 Being in love with multiple people who reciprocate that love back.
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@catbest8808 I know exactly 0 polyamorous relationships where there is "friends" and "main partners". So no. He got nothing correct. You people seem to like to confuse open relationships with polyamorous ones. And they AREN'T the same.
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You uh...can be an evoultionist and Christian. I's argue most Christians actually understand evoultion is a fact...
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They're not that bad compared to the alternative. The odds of having a seizure from the MMR vaccine: 1 in 3000. The odds of developing acute encephalitis, which can cause death or permanent brain damage, after contracting measles: 1 in 400.
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Not so much imaginary as it is wrongly named.
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No he doesn't.
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Uh-huh...lets pretend intersex people don't exist...
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The answer is yes. You can. At least some can.
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I mean...yes. But who are you praying to?
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@chungs6496 Losing brain cells from the truth, huh?
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@MadamDeified It never stops being a cluster of cells.
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@Creative Sounds like you're avoiding the question. How do you explain the parts of the Bible that we can conclude never happened? Like Adam and Eve, Noah's flood and the Exodus?
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No. That is incorrect. Many atheists believe in the supernatural. The term atheist only symbolizes that a person lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Agnostic just means "without knowledge." Everyone should be agnostic, so it is a redundant term.
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Funny. I get the same feeling hearing pro-life arguments.
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@eugengolubic2186 No, they just advocate for the destruction of rights of both women and the dying, probably because they've never taken a law or anatomy class.
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You earn respect, regardless of age.
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So you're a hypocrite. If the life is valuable, its valuable no matter what. If the right is valuable, then abortion should be an option regardless of reason.
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As if every single relationship isn't self-centered. You don't date someone because of how they feel. You date someone because of how it makes you feel.
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But that makes no sense, because there are many polyamorous people who are asexual.
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And as someone who used to be monogamous, I can tell you I truly fell in love with two people. If thats the case, you were never polyamorous.
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Yeah no. Forcing someone to do anything just because you want them to is vile.
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@rghaw The person isn't charged with manslaughter. They are charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Also, that is not how most abortions are performed. Most abortions are done via a pill or an injection. Surgical abortions (the ones you mention) are only done late term, and legal late term abortions are done exclusively for medical reasons.
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Not really. He was an uneducated ignorant asshole.
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@FlapjackR He stated his opinion as fact. He claimed he was talking facts. That goes beyond the realm of opinion.
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You mean how they actually do it, or surgical abortions that are only done because of complications?
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Its amazing to me how people don't actually know what cheating is.
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You have every right to be disrespectful to someone who shows you no respect.
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@hakapelika7024 Let me pretend I believe that story. Even if I did, that has nothing to do with bodily autonomy.
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@nbaking5715 You have clearly not done research or ever been suicidal.
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That is absolutely not true. When the heart stops functioning, you are only considered medically dead. Its only after trying to save the brain by restarting the heart that you are clincally dead. That is when a time of death is called. By the way, a fetal heartbeat is not a functioning heart.
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That just...kinda makes you a hypocrite.
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@viviancooper5892 "polyamory is for sex". You do realize that there are asexual polyamorous people right? Jealousy is common? How do you know that? What evidence can you site that jealously is more common is polyamorous relationships than in monogamous ones? What effects does it have on other people when they consent to being in the relationship. Do you understand that most polycules are not open? Ignorance.
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You just have a mass stabbing and firebombing issues.
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IssyFishyy I had sex with my now husband. I also now have 2 other children.
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@jeproschepro9821 That's because I believe the pro-life position is actively harmful. And its unconstitutional.
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Depends on who you're buying the gun from. Private sellers often sell and trade at shows, and theres no background check on private sales in most states.
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@jjnelson1999 No it's not. There is no federal background check on private sales. That falls under state laws.
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@travisjohnson7065 When you have an ultimatum, it no longer becomes a choice. You shouldn't be punished for wanting to die. They are absolutely not comparable. Owning a sentient human is in no way the same as termination of a non-sentient fetus. And once again, you claiming abortion is wrong is your opinion. And to then lie about it being convenient is ridiculous. A fetus has no human rights to begin with, because it is only considered human in terms of species. Injustice is trying to control someone else's body. You're just dishonest.
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I just wanna say that you are already biased and projecting.
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Probably because I don't care to hear about you nonsense fairytales with no evidence. By the way, as an atheist, I bet I have read the Bible more than you have. Know why? Because thats what made me an atheist.
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Yeah? That's because atheism is not a moral standing. Its just an answer to a belief in God. Good and evil still exist to me as an atheist.
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@kingorange7739 Ever think that maybe they're against abortion but support euthanasia? That would make them pro-choice. Supporting abortion in rape, incest and medical necessity would also make one pro-choice.
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Except the story of Christianity is just ripped from various other religions which all say the exact same thing. You're no better than any other faith.
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Sex is more than pregnancy. people will do what makes them feel better. Consent is everything.
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An agnostic is a person who does not know if a God exists. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a God. In fact, everyone should be agnostic, as nobody knows.
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It doesn't excuse punishment. It offers insight to carry out a fair trial. Most of the criminals we sentence are not an outright danger. And you realize you pay more for the death penalty right? Abolish it.
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@jaysims1067 Please. No one believes the lie that most people would sacrifice their lives for others, especially at no benefit to them. Nothing wrong with being selfish. You come first in your own life.
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My purpose for life is whatever I make of it. I make my own purpose. I don't give a second thought to something being out there, because I don't believe there is.
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Polyamory doesn't fit the established definition of cheating.
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@4ntoCatch They do not get their guns legally. Stealing someone else's legally purchased firearm is not legal.
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Why? I don't understand why that is so hard to believe.
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@MrAnonymous1515 Do you believe abuse only means physical? Because thats the only reason I can think of as to why you wouldn't believe that.
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Because it isn't a type of murder? A fetus has no choice as, legally, it is not a person. We could argue all day about whether that's moral or not. Also, its not a baby until after birth.
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Ariel I don't care if God made Hell or not (which he did if God made everything). If he would cast his children there for anything, he is a malevolent, tyrannical and dictatorial.
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No he wasnt. He's an idiot insisting that his ideas are fact. They're called beliefs for a reason. You want us to believe in something? Prove it exists.
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Its not heartless to not be ignorant an be honest. Hell, every organic organism is essentially a clump of cells. That is probably "psycho" behavior to you because you lack any type of knowledge or experience of situational reality. You live in privlege with a roof over your head, family and friends who support and love you, and a place you can turn to if you're in trouble or need help. Not everyone has that and some people had to crawl through hell to get it and just don't place inherent value on life because they a) aren't hypocrites and b) have a different perspective on the world.
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How awful it is to protect against fatal complications...
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If you already have confirmation bias, no one can change your mind.
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Because the only reason for sex is reproduction? No. I'll do what I want with my body just as you do.
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@keishasims3192 "No one would lie about a baby dying". There are thousands of people in jail for fraud for stealing money from people by telling them their baby was dead.
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@keishasims3192 I don't doubt the story about the child dying. And I'm truly sorry for that. But to assume vaccines is just grief blaming. Its sad that the child died, but claiming vaccines was the cause is absurd and reckless. Because its simply untrue.
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@keishasims3192 Could be a number of things. I'd need more information. Symptoms, age, sex, cause of death etc. In order to file a death certificate, you HAVE to disclose a cause of death. That child has an offical cause of death.
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You don't make the CHOICE to get pregnant. That action occurs without a conscious decision from the brain. You CHOOSE to have sex (in most cases) which does not mean you're CHOOSING pregnancy. Actually, I would argue realzing you're an unfit parent who will probably abuse and neglect your child and then opting for abortion IS caring about the child's life. Because its removing it before it has the capacity to feel or care. Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term. You can certainly say abortion is killing, but so is eating McDonalds. So no, thats not a fact. That's just a lie spread by pro-lifers. Also no. Being manipulative and arguing from a religion (which by the way has no problem with abortion according to its own holy books) are really weak arguments against abortion.
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Umm no? I'm perfectly fine making my own money.
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The same way it does in a monogamous relationship. I have twins, and to them, they have 2 dads and a mother. They call both my partners Daddy and view them both equally. To them, we are a normal family.
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Abortion isn't murder. People aren't ready to raise children sometimes. Hopefully one day, that won't be a problem.
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Yes...because its just that easy for everyone right? Oh wait...
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@brycejackson9805 Sleeping with more than one person when everyone is okay with it isn't cheating. Not saying you can't cheat in a polyamorous relationship. Just because you don't like that poly relationships are valid doesn't mean you can lie.
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While I agree her tone is offputting, I wouldn't say it was "for no reason." No excuse to be snippy towards everyone.
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No you don't. Private sales are a thing.
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Imagine not knowing that asexual polyamorous people exist. You can be in love with multiple people, and this is something easily proven.
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@zweinhanderhiruzen9811 We currently aren't in a position where everyone needs to procreate. Perhaps I should have made that more clear. Not everyone has that urge. It's just that simple.
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Raa16 If you make a positive claim about seeing something supernatural, then expect people to call you a liar until you show the evidence.
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Safe vaxxer would imply that they do agree with vaccination, but they just want people to look at potential risks. That does not describe these people. These people want to outright stop vaccines period, and try to make health claims that are blatently untrue, not to get people to think, but to make people afraid. That is not okay. People who are just skeptical of vaccines, would like them spread out, would like more testing, or just would prefer not to vaccinate themselves are not anti vaxxers.
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But that would be wrong, considering a) abortion isn't murder and b) you can be anti-abortion and still be pro-choice.
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Sex and gender have never been the same. There was one point in time when all newborns were "girls" even if biologically they were male. Sex has always been genetics. Gender has always been sociological.
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@Talos_The_King No, we're asking you to get educated on the subject, because you clearly aren't if you think abortion is murder.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x When did I say that? I mean, biologically it is a cluster of cells, but so is all organic life. And it is a fetus. Baby is post utero. I am well aware what fetuses look like, and that simply doesn't change the argument. Murder is still a legal term that abortion doesn't apply to.
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No you don't. The "gunshow loophole" is a mislable referring to private sales at gun shows. Private sales do not legally require checks in most states. The reason its false is because it implies that its a loophole, which its not, and that its specific to gun shows, which its not.
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@belleharayo Atheists lack a belief in a God. Not "believe there is no God". God is a supernatural character who hasn't been proven to exist.
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Okay, I dont really care what you believe. But to say there is evidence of a great flood is a downright lie. There is no geological evidence for that. It simply did not happen
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Every medication you take can and does have side effects. The side effects from vaccines are not nearly as severe as other medications, and are certainly less severe than the symptoms of the diseases they protect from. The problem with your statement is your stance actively can and has harmed people. We have lost both our polio and measles free status because people were not being vaccinated. Pertussius is also reappearing. I'm not saying you should be mandated to get vaccines, but I fully support your children being refused access to public schools, and you should be prosecuted should you hurt someone.
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@CandyWorld30 Then your reasoning behind it isn't "it has different DNA". Your reasoning is that its a "seperate human". The remove the fetus and see what happens. A fetus is harmful to the mother. It is fundamentally a parasite. That doesn't make it bad if the person wants it. But to argue it isn't hurtful is just a lack of knowledge.
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@CandyWorld30 Yes, almost as if its not seperate and biologically dependent on the person it is using in order to survive for a period of time. Being human doesn't matter. Its irrelevant to the argument of abortion. Its not a person and it is using a person to live. You don't get that option unless the person consents.
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elianowielzen No he wasn't right.
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Except its not.
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Probably because the Bible is a book full of inaccuracies and is frankly, horrifying if read literally.
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@deathifight7408 There is no proof of an intelligent lifeform. He is spouting his beliefs. And even if we granted him that a God exists, that does not prove HIS God exists.
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@travisjohnson7065 It makes all the difference. You really think abortions would exist if it was possible for a fetus to grow outside the womb? No. Would you stop comparing fetuses to children? Its dishonest and irritating. By the way, there are plenty of stories of kids basically caring for themselves. You are responsible for your own actions. Abortion is one solution.
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Because it would be. Religion gives people a justified excuse to perform evil and cruel acts on each other.
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@travisjohnson7065 Your belief doesn't make something reality. I aborted my first child. I do not reget it. I did what I felt was right. And I stand by that decision and am happy knowing that I now have two children I was able to have.
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Lol no it isn't. By nice strawman attempt.
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Atheists do not "believe in nothing". They lack a belief in God. As an atheist, I have no version or idea of what God is, because I do not believe a God exists.
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So go out and adopt one of the 45,000 waiting.
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I'm atheist until you can prove to me a God exists.
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I love how you insult Millennials when you probably are one yourself. And he's snooty for not believing in a sky daddy?
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Nope. By definition she would still be an atheist. Agnostic is a useless term outside of strictly philosophical conversation, because everyone should be agnostic.
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No, mothers shouldn't have to be forced to give birth in non-ideal circumstances and children should not be subject to neglect and abuse at the hands of people who care about function over quality.
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Do people know that putting your child into a broken system may NOT be the best option?
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@gasoline5071 That sounded like a nonsensical way of the comatose comparison. First of all, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Secondly, what are you asking me? It makes no sense.
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@mynameudste No they aren't. They are just dependent on someone older caring for them. They are in no biologically dependent on anyone. A fetus is.
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@travisjohnson7065 In your opinion. Abusing a child to death or neglecting it to death is just as bad. Only difference is one can feel.
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@itzqwerty5576 He did mention religion, because he said "hell is a lot worse." So no. Fuck faith.
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@nbss Except that makes no sense, because pro-choice offers both motherhood and adoption.
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@nbss Because its not murder. Are you against DNR's? Slow Codes? Rapes? Ectopic Pregnancies? People die. Its a fact of life. And you do not get to live at the expense of someone else. I can't force you to donate blood, plasma, or organs even if it will save my life.
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The problem with Crowders video is it does not accurately portray what happens at gunshows. 2 types of people sell at shows: Dealers and Citizens. Buying from a citizen at a show will NOT warrant a background check, unless you are in a state that restricts private sales. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check on anything other than my handgun license. You don't need a video. Research the laws in a specific state. The "gunshow loophole" is not a myth, but it is also not really a loophole. Nor does it only apply to shows.
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Its not fair that innocent people have to be at risk for potentially fatal complications that can easily be eliminated. Sorry if that seems unfair to you.
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@martacastillo6272 If a parasite has to be a separate species, why is there a birth defect called "parasitic twinning?"
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Tracy Ziaraba Jeremy wasn't right. I'm an atheist and I believe in the supernatural. I just don't believe in a God.
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Thats a false equivalence fallacy. Abortion is not murder. No one has the right to murder.
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Emmanuel Poullard I think someone should face the fact that they don't have a dictionary or can't be bothered to Google the word murder.
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As if that always prevents pregnancy.
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No you don't and he isn't correct. You can believe in God and still think the some of the Bible is a metaphor written by man. You don't follow the Bible 100%.
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Could you people actually be bothered to look up what the definition of murder actually is before you spout nonsense?
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No they aren't. Quit believing everything told to you. Your child has more of a chance being run over in a parking lot than being killed in a school shooting.
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I'd love for you to provide a list of those resources, where they are located and their requirments.
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Mathilde Young Comparing a human race to a fetus is completely illogical. Human beings are not intrinsically valuable. I could make the argument that child doesn't want to be born. If there was a way for doctors to know that for sure, than it should be up to the person themselves. This is why living wills are important, because it states exactly what you would want done in a situation like that. The cutoff already varies from state to state. If Roe vs Wade is overturned, which it won't be, abortion would be outlawed. Period.
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@criticclips1560 Secular humanism is my basis for morality. I decide what is right and wrong based on how it affects my community and the people I care about. The US was not founded on Christian values. They were founded on secularism.
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Whether or not he means to be rude is not an issue. He was rude and disrespectful. And frankly, unintelligent
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Someone's bias is showing.
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Prove a God exists before you make outrageous claims.
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captain viral Well, then he isn't all loving. If he damns me simply because he couldn't give me evidence of his existence, he's a monster. You'd be damned right along with me if you're worshipping the wrong God. Pascal's wager is the weakest arguement
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There are so many children in adoption agencies already. Who cares if its human? Humans are not on a pedestal. Birth control is not always cheap, can always be taken or is available everywhere. Adoption should most certainly explored, but cannot always be done.
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That isn't true. Just because you don't have guns doesn't mean you don't have violence. The EU has a reputation for stabbings and fire bombings.
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Nope, not true. Its simply a person who does not want to have to choose between people they love, and so live and love as a group.
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Someone can't be bothered to google the definition of a word.
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@jenamiahhjunee1153 That is perhaps the most privileged thing I have ever heard. If you really think death is immense suffering, you're ignorant or delusional.
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Wow...so just fuck people who can't have or don't want kids huh? I didn't get married for children.
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@qaishtb581 I've been married for 4 years now. I do have two children. I just didn't get married for children
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@matt1325 I would love to. I find you extremely insightful and respectful.
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@dangereternally Except it is. We're all clusters of cells. Thats a fact.
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Religion is usually the cause of homophobia, and Christianity is the predominant religion in the West
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@Sleepy Hollow Your own Bible is my evidence. People use the term homophobia as a disdain for people who are homosexual. Gee, I wonder where that disdain comes from? Oh right. Your 2000 year old book. Homophobia: dislike of or prejudice against homosexual people. Just because the term has a root word that means fear doesn't mean thats how the term is always used. Quit pretending you know how the English language works. You claim the supernatural as fact.
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Its not irresponsible to have an abortion. Its irresponsible to bring a child into the world you know you cannot care for. And I'm sorry, but exluding rape victims makes you a hypocrite.
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Yeah, at 18 it just gets worse. You are kicked out on the street with nothing. No work experience, no education, no income to pay to find a job or go to college. Nothing.
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"That baby would have been somebody's best friend, somebody's parent." You literally don't know that. You are making a, frankly, baseless assumption. "You don't get to take that away from them..." You do. It is your uterus. It is your liberty. That is your decision. "That kid could solve world hunger..." Yeah, and he could also be the next Ted Bundy. That is a ridiculous argument.
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@uncleblazing1507 The Bible does say it's okay. There are horrid things in the new testament as well. I don't care what the Rapist Church teaches about abortion.
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Because protection is 100% effective right...?
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Simple. Late term abortions exclusively happen for medical reasons.
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You need to provide evidence for that claim. Also, since God is omnipotent, he actively chooses not to stop Satan, and is therefore a monster. If Hell exists, your God is a narcissistic tyrant who is undeserving of love or attention.
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@kingorange7739 So a fetus can just grow on its own without a womb or a nutrient supplier?
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@kingorange7739 Now you understand why scientists and lawmakers call it "her body". Because it cannot form without her body.
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@kingorange7739 And once again, no babies are murdered.
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Well I mean...all they said was that they are Christians. They didn't say what denomination.
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No shit. Because everyone is, or should be agnostic. He was still wrong. She is an atheist. She's an agnostic atheist, as most atheists are.
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@b.w.6189 That is not an atheist. That is an anti-theist. There is a difference. If you claim to know as fact that deities do not exist, you are not an atheist.
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Except he didn't. She's both. As are you, most likely.
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Both of which still have a failure rate. Also $150? Where did you get that figure? They range above $1000 on average without medical insurance.
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@macadamia668 No, I live in the US. That's the average cost of an IUD without medical insurance. Uhhh that's not true. I know several women who have had healthy pregnancies with an IUD.
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Because your rights include the right to bodily autonomy. Access to abortion would fall under that right.
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@FXHazardproductions No, not true. Atheist lacks a belief in God. Agnostic means the knowledge of a God cannot be known. I don't deny that a God could exist (agnostic) but I do not believe in one (atheist). These are not mutually exclusive terms.
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Morality can exist without a God.
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@tealtealteal7778 No one murders a child during an abortion. I have the right to my own body. The fetus does not have a right to my womb unless I allow it.
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Because its that easy. Problem solved.
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God not existing doesn't mean there is no morality. If you lived your life according to the Bible completely, you would be in prison. Atheists like myself believe in secular humanism, treating others in a manner that benefits society as a whole and allows for as little suffering and death as possible. Not true at all. Theism is based on the rules of an arbitrary God that no one has proven. The moral code I live by is dictated by how my actions will affect me and others.
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@andrewnewman5945 There isn't. That's subjective morality and holds true whether a God exists or not. I believe that the actions I take either have a helpful, neutral or harmful effect on society. I do still have authority. The law, my fellow man and myself. You like to hide behind "context" but that doesn't change that you may be wrong. No, he doesn't make more sense. That is you trying to cram the supernatural into unanswered questions because that is what you were raised on and through your own experiences believe. There's nothing wrong with being opinionated, nor is there anything wrong with belief. But to say that I cannot be a moral person without theism or a deity is ridiculous
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That's not what murder means. And yes, just somehow turn off your ability to get pregnant...makes sense.
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@richardmiller3839 Pregnancy is not something you choose. It is an effect that occurs independently from the brain. Just as you do not choose for someone to have an accident, even though you go out with the knowledge that its a possibility. You don't have a responsibility to "protect" a fetus unless you consent to it in the first place.
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We're designed to eat human flesh, but we don't. Why is that wrong? Simply becauae society says it is because a human is a sentient being. Same with animals. This is, from what I can gather, the argument for ethical vegans.
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Everyone is, or should be, agnostic.
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@sonysoldier9587 True. Which is why I said "should be".
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No hon. Thats not how words work.
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And its not. That's why states have cut off dates. You also aren't pro-life. You're pro-choice.
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There are decades of testing and research into vaccines. But, like all medications, they can, and do, cause side effects.
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Abstinence before marriage is a good way to go through a messy divorce. Protection works better than abstinence when it comes to teaching.
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@travisjohnson7065 No, people who want abortion to be legal are pro-choice. Pro-abortion people are anti-natalists. No, not necessarily. Because pro-life doesn't just refer to abortions. I know several people who are entirely against abortions but are for assisted suicide or euthanasia. These labels don't just apply to the abortion debate.
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@travisjohnson7065 Oh boy, then do I suggest you do some research. You will find floods of videos of people literally calling people monsters for having children. I worked for 2 years in a dispatch center, and we got several calls claiming that newborns were being abused simply because the mother chose of have them. While we don't like to believe people like this exist, they absolutely do. Sure, but that is not its definition. For you to be pro-life, you must be against abortion in any case and be against any type of euthanasia. Most "pro-lifers" aren't actually even pro-life, as most make abortion exceptions.
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@lucymalone1006 It is a parasite by definition.
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@lucymalone1006 Merriam Webster for one. an organism living in, on, or with another organism in order to obtain nutrients, grow, or multiply often in a state that directly or indirectly harms the host Contrary to several comments, it does NOT have to be a seperate species to be classified, biologically as a parasite. Bluegill sunfish is a prime example.
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@LemonAide Ummm no? Asexuality is not being attracted to someone sexually. I'm a polyamorous romantic asexual. You're confusing asexuality and aromatic.
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Agnostic is not a stand a alone claim. You are probably an agnostic atheist.
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You say that as if atheists don't have standards. Believe in what you will, but the religious tend to be the assholes of the world who believe that it should be their privilage to tell others how to live their lives.
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Yeah no. That's just not true. I care more about my partners than most monogamous people I know. Depends on the person.
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Except its not. If you want to make the argument that its killing a fetus, and therefore eliminating the potential for life, then that is true. But murder is a legal term with an established definition. And completely unjustified? Rape, medical problems, incest, abuse, financial instability, mental health issues etc. These are all perfectly justified reasons to have an abortion. Maybe not to you, but you aren't the one having it.
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@mkshort1 Because you're wrong. Evolution isn't goal oriented. It only occurs if a species adapts for survivability.
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@bullsquid42 Ignore this moron. Janie keeps trying to use a literal definition, which is highly ridiculous. Most people understand and follow the doctrine of veganism, which minimizes use of animal consumption to practicality and necessity. You need a phone and a computer in this day, and you're still considered a vegan even if you take medication that has animal products. By their strictly literal perspective, veganism does not exist. They're also known to attack people simply because they can't comprehend definitions.
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@Headless Horseman But others are. So if your God is so loving and powerful, why doesn't he step in? He either can't or doesn't want to.
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Because vaccines do not protect you from getting the virus, they can mutate if your unvaccinated, and you risk those who cannot get vaccinated. There have been decades of research put into vaccines. No amount of evidence will convince you.
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Thats not a fact. An atheist simply doesn't believe in a God. I know many atheists (though I myself don't) that do believe in the supernatural. An agnostic is a term for the knowledge that a God's existence cannot be known. Everyone should fall into this category. No. He was wrong.
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Then by definition, you're pro-choice. Pro-life is against abortion in all circumstances. By the way, you understand that not everyone has access to birth control right?
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LittleNova. The death penalty is more taxes than life in prison, so thats not an argument
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@nigellopezmichael6077 Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive terms. Most "hard" atheists (those that say God can't or does not exist) often don't even want to be called atheists. They'd prefer the term anti-thiest. We rarely use the term agnostic in casual conversation, because it simply means "i don't know." Anyone who is honest, atheist or theist, is agnostic. I am not an agnostic leaning towards athiesm. I am an atheist who is honest enough to be agnostic. Agnosticism is not a middle ground between atheism and theism. Its a completely seperate category. You are confusing colloquial definitions with philosophical ones.
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I highly doubt thats her only reason
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@pr6046 I never said I wasn't selfish. I am. I'm human. I can't do my best for the people I love and care about if I am not in control of my life. Being selfish is not inherently a bad thing. Being egotistical and narcissistic is, which selfishness can lead to. I never said I wouldn't appreciate it. You misunderstood. I'm saying that between you and a random stranger who's hungry, you would put yourself first. And that isn't a bad thing. You can't help anyone when you aren't in control
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Your first one is not an impossibility though. There's the fault in your reasoning. Also, here's another option. The universe has always existed. Or, if it had a beginning, that beginning occured through a natural process. Here's another option. A God did create a universe, but was destroyed in the process and no longer exists.
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We have not had 307 mass shootings. We've had 11. The definition of mass shootings is so vague and that static includes gang related and domestic shootings.
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If your boyfriend told you that his sibling died of a vaccine complication, I would like to know details, because no one has died from a vaccine that could be proven in almost 30 years. That leads me to believe he is a liar. The majority around them being vaccinated is precisely the reason they are healthy and fine. But they put you and others at risk. If it is true that his sibling had a reaction, then those specific cases should be exempt. But I will promise you his sibling did not die from a vaccine. If you choose not to vaccinate, fine. You should have that right. But you should be denied certain privileges, like public activities and school, and should be held criminally and financially responsible should your child be harmed or harm someone else.
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Please make birth control easily and readily available to everyone then.
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_.Sirius Ahhh okay. No problem. That just confused me lol.
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Felipe Lima An idiot.
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@travisjohnson7065 A fetus doesn't have the right to life. And even if it did, it would not have it at the expense of the carrier's liberty. And no actually. The right to life actually does depend on being sentient, because it depends on personhood. Not human life.
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@travisjohnson7065 A child has a right to life. A fetus does not. My point was that if you are going to say a fetus has the right to life (which even I think it should), it would not overrule the right to liberty. You do not get to use another person's body to sustain your life without consent. I'm not framing anyone as a victim. I am stating the facts. Its never been called the "human" right to life. You've literally made that up. What is said is "no person or state shall deprive any PERSON Of life, liberty, property..." Yes, you would stop being a person. Because personhood is dependent on sentience. You don't have to test sentience. Its the ability to think and feel subjectively, which we know a fetus does not have at the time of most abortions.
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So you're not only against a woman's right, you're ignorant of the broken foster care system and a hypocrite.
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@Humanity Galatica I'm perfectly fine with fixing things. Nor am I against life. I'm for equal rights, which means life = liberty.
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Because every pregnancy just occurs through promiscuity right? And I'm sorry. Show me a fetus that can exist without the use of another person's uterus and then maybe you could argue its "their body". Sorry, but it's not.
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@jenm6575 Pretty much everything
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@Red Skull Yeah...hate to say this but...Christianity and Judaism is like that too. Sorry to say, but there's no evidence of any religion.
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Yes, because sex is always consensual.
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I understand what you are saying, but you are also pro-choice. Because you support abortions in certain circumstances. By definition, pro-life is against abortion in any case.
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I also can't get my head around pro-lifers. So I guess we're even.
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Then your God is a monster. Bring on hell.
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There are plenty of children in the system that need homes. WAY more children than parents who want them. Adoption is entirely broken.
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Thats still pro-choice.
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It isnt until the woman is 5 months along or more. Shows what people know about law.
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Lizzie Allen In all of my career, I have had far more pro-choice couples adopt than pro-life. And I live in a conservative state.
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@Neptune523 Baby means post utero. Its a fetus until birth.
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@Neptune523 You know what else has seperate DNA? Tumors. They are also alive. Humans are not on some pedastal. If life is what should matter, then you should have that view across the board. And I doubt you do.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 I'm well aware. But if your argument that DNA bein different is what makes it a) human or b) not your body, then you're biologically wrong on both fronts.
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@Henry-gv3cy Yes, if only it were that simple. We can just solve all problems that way. Guess what? Consent to sex is not conset to pregnancy. Two different scenarios happening. No, I'm not. I think personhood begins at sentience. That's where I feel the line is drawn.
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Its because they claim that vaccines harmed their child, without any confirmation they did. They don't even acknowledge other possibilities and insist that IF IT DID harm their child, they advocate against others getting it.
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@noelkoraith2739 As a vegan, MOST of us are actually normal.
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Fetus. Not child. And just because you can't justify it doesn't mean others and the law can't either.
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In the first trimester, its done via a pill. Nearly all late term abortions are done for medical reasons. You make such a bigger deal out of it than it actually is.
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You're in the minority. And as someone who also was a victim, the death penalty won't make you feel better.
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But she does fit the definition of an atheist.
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@JessVarano2 Everything is simply a bunch of cells at its biological level. It is human, but it's not a baby. Its not a baby until after birth. It seems you lack basic biology. Abortion should be off the table when the fetus is sentient
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The Athlete Because he flat out told her his belief was fact and tried to tell her what she was. That was rude and disrespectful. Then when she tried to tell him again what she was, he talked over her and she got heated. Yeah, she should have handled it better. But he was being a jackass.
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Right...because "convicted" means "guilty" right?
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I'm pro-choice, had an abortion, and have two children. So I fail to see your point
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@TNIZZELL-y1i I'm entirely serious. You can say this as a joke, but you're really uneducated about the law. And you make the pro-gun side look weak.
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There were no eyewitness accounts of any of Jesus's life. The EARLIEST texts of the bible were written 30 years after he supposedly died. No records of any of his miracles have ever been confirmed by any legitimate sources. I'm sure Jesus existed as a person, but there is ZERO evidence for any of his supposed miracles. If for something to exist, it must have has a creator, then God must have had a creator. You claim he created himself or has always been. I could make the same claim for the universe. You were not there, so you could not know. You are born an atheist. You are then raised in whatever you believe in.
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Because Christian's are the vast majority of the country. Also, Mormonism is a sect of christianity.
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@aventurandoconfredy I'm sorry that you don't have an understanding of anatomy or biology to not know that a fetus has no conscious until a certain point.
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If polyamory is selfish, monogomy is possessive.
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Your ignorance is showing
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Spewing religious rhetoric that has never been proven is not "truth".
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How about to children like me who were permanently disabled and scarred because you demonized their mother out of an abortion? Who now have to go through life struggling? Where's your love for us?
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Imagine not knowing you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion or mot understanding basic biology.
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No their really isn't. Because science doesn't take a stance on a moral argument. Its neutral. However, you can use science to arguing for one side or the other. Just as you can use science to argue pro-life, I could use the same science to argue pro-choice.
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Why would I want to commit to one person if I fall in love with more than one person? If everyone is happy, why does it matter?
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That is a flat out lie and easily debunked. In fact, late term abortions are nearly exclusively done for medical purposes or were performed later because of a lack of abortion services.
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Then you're pro-choice. Anyone who is smart understands life begins at conception, no matter what side of the spectrum you fall on.
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@antoniomura1458 You do realize that evn with a God, morality is still subjective? Even his morality is his opinion. You could argue its the highest opinion, but its still not objective.
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@crumb How about people just have bodily autonomy
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He's really not...
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No, its just experiencing relationships in a different way. I don't control the fact that I fell in love with two people.
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I am Pro Choice. So do I.
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If you want an actual answer, its because that lion nutritionally needs meat to survive. Humans do not, outside of those with medical problems. They would also argue that you should have a higher moral judgement than a lion. If someone kills and eats a dog, they get slapping with a 15 year sentence. Why is a dog different from a chicken? Just playing devil's advocate here.
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@janieswanson2549 Yes I do, and even clairfied in that sentence that outside of those with health problems, humans in general do not need meat to be healthy.
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@janieswanson2549 I never lied about being a vegan. I was a vegan for damn near close to 8 years. Its not my fault you don't understand how definitions of words work.
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@janieswanson2549 Actually, the definition is a person who does not eat any food derived from animals and who TYPICALLY does not use other animal products. This is because veganism's intentions were to minimize animal products consumed and to stop the killing of animals for the purpose of convenience. Animal products used in LED devices aren't slaughtered for the product. On top of that, the doctrine states "as far as is practical". Almost no one would be vegan if you were 100% restricted, as most medications have trace amounts of animal products. Continue being dishonest if you want, but it literally means nothing. I never pretended to be vegan, nor did I ever virtue signal. I have never cared if other people chose to eat or use animals. I just corrected misinformation and allowed people another perspective You are literally the person who can't read and/or changes the definition of a word to suit their narrative. Please go back to 9th grade language. A phone is not practical or possible to avoid. That's ridiculous. And you even deliberately left out parts of the definition of the person, which by the way is "a person who practices veganism". You're just another ignorant moron who doesn't understand how language works and gets her rocks off by insulting others.
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Simple. Because that's what some people want. If it isn't YOUR preference, then why should you be forced into it? You shouldn't. You should just respect others who DO want that lifestyle. To assert that you're "made specifically for someone" is kinda gross to me. That sounds like I have to be with someone. The truth is you should have all the power in your own relationship, and should never be forced into anything.
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@hellobot67 That just sounds like ignorance and jealousy and that sounds like a very shallow thing to believe.
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@hellobot67 It is hard to be monogamous when you AREN'T monogamous. That's like saying "hey I know your gay man, but you should be with a woman". No one expects you to be poly when your mono, so why should it work the other way? There's nothing wrong with you, a monogamous person, not wanting to share your partner. But to judge others based on a different lifestyle is, frankly, just bigoted. I'm married and poly. I fell in love with more than one person. What's wrong with that if I'm happy?
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So what are intersex people?
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No fetal tissue has been used in vaccines since the two cell lines that produced the original cultures. That was back in the 1960s. Get your facts straight.
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"Deserving to live" is a subjective argument. I would argue death is a better alternative than experiencing suffering. But thats because of my personal experience.
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@zachman5150 I am well aware. I am one of those people. I'm all for abstinence if you can. Forced abstinence, however, is unhealthy. No one is arguing to the act of conception. But pregnancy itself is not a choice. You don't choose whether or not an egg is fertilized and implants. Aww why are you so mad? Can't have an adult discussion?
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Except that's usually not what happens, because most people cannot pay for private adoptions. Foster care is any person (child or adult) under the care of the state.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 Nope. They're exactly comparable in this context. If no one has the right to choose who lives and who dies, you should be against self-defense and the military. But you aren't, so its clearly situational.
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He should not have the ultimate say about what happens to someone else's body.
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Its literally not murder. Like...factually. Murder is a legal term. Saying its a clump of cells is also factually correct. All organic matter is just clumps of cells. Being human doesn't matter. And no. The Bible does not say its murder. The Bible entirely condones abortion. Try finiding a doctor that will tie your tubes before age 35. Many people do not have access to contraceptives. Condoms fail.
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@Readersrun777 Everyone is selfish, and there is nothing wrong with that. One has to take care of onself before they are in a position to take care of others. You say that as if having an abortion is not taking responsibility. But it is. Just as parenthood or adoption is. The brain is so complicated. Sometimes people care about things they shouldn't. Sometimes people don't care about things they should. In your own life, it is about you. YOU are the center of YOUR life. That's not a "tantrum" or being a "toddler". That is simply being realistic. So basically "anyone who doesn't want children shouldn't be allowed to have sex." That is ridiculous and unhelpful. Sex is (for the most part) a completely natural desire for the purpose of pleasure. Reproduction is a potential effect of sex, but consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy and childbirth. Here's another problem. Try finding a physician who will make those "medical changes" for no medical reason. I have severe endometriosis and fibroids, and still can't find a doctor willing to do a hysterectomy because I'm "too young". You can't just sign up for these procedures. They are not benign. I know many people that would take that route if it were an option. Just like many people would have more protected sex if birth control was more widely available. Again, in theory, your advice is sound. In practice, its unrealistic.
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I don't feel the need to protect myself. I just like the security of knowing I can should that time ever occur. If you seriously think you live in a place where you are "protected and safe" you are naive.
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What makes you believe that an atheist has no sense of good and evil? We do. Its called humanism. What is best for us as humans and as a society. Yes, the atheists are wrong if a God exists. However, you have yet to prove that. You have also yet to prove whether YOUR God specifically exists.
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The Bible does not forbid abortion. Look at Hosea.
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@nihilist5820 And that is why I'm an atheist.
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@Humanity Galatica Except its not. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another
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If you removed all emotion from the capital punishment debate, people who are pro capital punishment would have no leg to stand on. The facts don't side with them.
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Abortion isn't murder, so that doesn't say much.
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@IssyFishyy We did evolve. Thats no longer debatable. You can argue with facts if you wish. Evoultion doesn't mean God does not exist, or didn't create everything to begin with. Please talk to an evolutionary biologist.
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You do realize that not only has God never been proven to exist, but the human digestive system is not designed to process meat. Eating meat in moderation will not harm you, but your body isn't meant to process it the way most people eat it.
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@edgeworth7750 Neither is a fetus. If we're granting personhood starting in the embryonic stage, then sperm would also be people, or you would not be morally consistent.
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Show me a fetus that develops a body without first implanting in a person's uterus and developing that body over a prolonged period of time. Oh right. It doesn't happen. They aren't scientifically seperate, any more than any other parasite is.
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If only adoption were that simple and guaranteed the child a happy life. That is not reality, however.
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Lol no its not.
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Congratulations. I'm glad you were lucky enough to have the resources to be able to provide for your child. But not everyone has that, and while I don't know your stance on abortion, you almost come off as passive aggressive to those who chose to have an abortion. Might just be the way I'm interpreting it though.
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@Jack Reacher Its not murder. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. (At least in the states). Abortion is taking responsibility. What would be irresponsible is to have the child and then neglect it because you couldn't care for it.
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@orawolfgram2838 Yep.
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@spankinrainbows1587 He wasn't on probation at the time this was filmed.
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How'd you gather that? Sounds like projecting based on personal experience.
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@Humanity Galatica Brain dead people are not dead. No physician says that. We call death based on heartbeat, pulse, circulation and brain activity. If a brain dead person is on life support, they are still alive. They're just not sentient. Kinda like a fetus. When did you start putting the marker on brain activity?
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Oh...you mean like the pro-life movement and you just did? Kinda hypocritical huh?
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@itsoktobewhite1987 "justified baby killings". It's not a baby. Its a fetus.
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@itsoktobewhite1987 In this case? Fetus of humans. I'm not saying it isn't human. I'm just saying it isn't a baby. Baby means post utero. When you use terms like "baby killings", you're making a false comparison in order to guilt people. That's dishonest and manipulative.
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@itsoktobewhite1987 Its more honest. Still would be better to say "fetus killing." This is always the problem with pro-life. They're just really disingenuous and dishonest.
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@itsoktobewhite1987 Murder is a legal term and only a legal term. A fetus isn't a person. Murder =/= killing and human =/= person.
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Sounds like some bias you have there. He knew what she meant and was being condescending. Not like she wasn't though.
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No.
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Arguing with people when you are objectively wrong, cutting people off, being condescending, and stating your beliefs as facts DOES make you rude.
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Rudy Ramos-Lozano That fetus has no free will. It has no brainstem at the time of most abortions. It physically cannot care. You know what's unloving and unethical? Forcing a child to be born into an unstable household with unfit parents that can't care for it
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Rudy Ramos-Lozano That isn't true either. You can't prove that. Only people who are religious believe in a soul. You cannot be sentient if you lack a brainstem. Leave your damn religious beliefs out of this.
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You do not suddenly develop autism because you have a vaccine. You're either born with it, or your not. If you're doctor is only treating your symptoms, find another doctor. They're humans. They're falliable. But most of them want to help. The aborted fetal tissue is going on 60 years old. Its not like its being taken every year from aborted fetuses. Oh, and by the way. Your God isn't against abortion. Might wanna reread your Bible. You are potentially a public safety issue if you aren't vaccinated. You pose a risk to other people.
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@orangeorangeorange5075 With comments like these, we really should.
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1. My physical attraction to them. I'm not in love with my good friends. I feel no romantic or physical attraction to them like I would in a partner. 2. Cheating is just as it is in a monogamous relationship. It is having relations outside of the consent of the parties involved. 3. It would depend on the situation. Different polycules are different. I'm in a Y polycule where 2 partners are with me, but are not with each other. Its not offensive. I like when people ask questions.
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Why exactly isn't it okay to be poly? If multiple want me, and I want multiple people, why is that bad?
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@travisjohnson7065 And yet there are many people who do not regret having abortions. Belief is not knowledge. Your subjective opinion should not dictate the law.
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@travisjohnson7065 Being wrong is subjective, conversation I believe you and I have had before. I meant your opinion on it being wrong. Not the definition of an abortion.
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@travisjohnson7065 No, not inherently. I take the view of the entire situation. There are plenty of instances I can think of that I see no ethical dilemma with taking innocent human life. Fetuses, legally, do not have the right to life. And even if they did, that right would be equal to the woman's right to liberty. You simply don't get to live at the expense of someone else without consent. You also know that abortion isn't convenient. Stop using that tired lie.
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@parthenon5106 That is what she's saying. Just not directly. She did have that choice and because of how it made HER feel, others should not have that choice. That is hypocrisy.
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IssyFishyy Pascal's Wager has nothing to do with this. You just simply don't lose as an atheist because all bases are covered
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An atheist doesn't believe that there is no God. They lack a belief in God.
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Evoultion. Evoultion explains consciousness. We lucked out on thr fusion of chromosome 2, and therefore have large prefrontal cortexes.
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No, women want the choice to terminate a pregnancy if other options do not work out for them. Abortion is not murder, at least in the US. You are anti-woman if you try to restrict a woman's rights.
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Women celebrate the ability to have access to abortion when they choose. It absolutely is not murdet, and to call it murder is dishonest. "All life has meaning" So are you a vegan? The animals you eat have meaning and sentience by your own words. The fetus does not care. Why do you?
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First off, I don't hate God. That's nonsense. I cannot hate something I do not believe exists. Secondly, there is no difference from a God who "works in mysterious ways" and one that does not exist. There are plenty of people who gave everything to God, and yet got nothing in return. Why were they not good enough? What makes me think he doesn't get angry? Because you preach that he's omnibenevolent. You claim that he is all loving. A God who is all-loving would be incapable of feeling anger, because anger is a negative emotion that is not benevolent. If he "never expects a thing" why will he refuse to help me if I have no faith in him? Sounds like he expects me to follow his rules if I want help. Which again, isn't benevolent. It's manipulative. God being "with us" is a claim you have yet to corroborate. You have cognitive dissonance. You don't have to worship or believe in a God to be a good person. Especially when Biblically, that God is a monster.
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It really isn't.))
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Men should certainly be involved with the conversation, but it IS all the woman's say. Its HER uterus.
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Poly. Been married for half a decade now. Never been happier.
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@mathildeyoung1823 No. I have stated this many times. I think abortion should be off the table when the fetus becomes sentient. By the way, most abortions are not performed surgically. A law should not be based solely on emotion. A law should be practical.
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@joerenwick5018 Which like...doesn't compare at all to the stabbings and fire bombings. You know that right? Mass shootings make up less than 5% of gun homicides, whether the media likes it or not.
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@jetparonable5667 Murder and genocide violate the rights of a sentient being. Abortion does not. You are creating a strawman by conflating the two. No, it shouldn't. Because human life is not inherently important. Thats an opinion and has no basis in science. People who "lose their sentience" are braindead, and are often taken off of life support. Would you consider that living? Why do you think slow codes and DNR's exist?
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@jetparonable5667 I don't deny that. I understand life starts at fertilization. We disagree because you place value on life wheras I place value on sentience. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. It begins when the brain synapses form. No, thats your opinion. I don't believe life in inherently valuable. But that is just me.
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Because he was wrong, and he tried to tell her what she was. Yes, it was rude to interrupt, and she should not have done that. But when you're trying to "correct" someone, you should have your definitions right. Thats always rude.
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@danedds1068 Essentially, sure. They aren't going to change their opinion anyway. Explaining the difference means nothing to people.
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Wow. Way to not only be entirely ignorant of one side, but to entirely sterotype it as well. Just because your selfish doesn't make you bad (considering everyone, in honesty, is in it for themselves), being poly doesn't make you a slut, and being mono doesn't make you chaste or generous.
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As if you would have cared at the time. You only care in hindsight. Happy that you weren't horribly abused and neglected by unloving parents.
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Egg Head Since murder is "the unlawful killing of one human being by another" no. Abortion is not murder. Try again.
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Because there is no evidence for a God, let alone your specific God.
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The difference is sentience.
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Risthebest YT Because there are people who do very late abortions, which in my opinion is wrong. It's okay if you still don't agree
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Homebirth Homeschool Homestead No, they don't. That is a complete lie. Most abortions take place between 6 and 9 weeks, well before a brain-stem has developed. They physically lack the capability to care, unlike a newborn. Late term abortions are a different story. It's not about life, it's about sentience. A majority of people I know were never feed breastmilk. Nor was I. You are never required to breastfeed a baby. It is encouraged, but never required. My mother's milk dried up 3 days after having me. I no longer needed her biologically. Yes, I needed her physically to raise and take care of me. But I needed nothing of her's biologically. I'm not gonna bother answering your hypothetical, because it's a weak argument that has no basis in reality.
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Homebirth Homeschool Homestead Most people tend to be uneducated on the subject and only care when it comes to their own personal lives. I don't mind answering hypothetical's, but they have to be realistic. Both of these hypothetical do not occur. No doctor is going to give a non consenting woman a pap smear or an abortion. If she chooses to abort at 6 weeks, the fetus feels nothing. It is not capable of feeling. You cannot miss something you never had. If the mother feels she cannot give the child the quality of life it needs to grow and survive, then she should not be forced to have it. That is my subjective moral opinion.
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@alarrim29574 No, you're killing a fetus. And they aren't comparable
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As if doctors make that much money from abortions compared to other practices...
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I'm glad you are also a close-minded insufferable asshole.
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No, agnostic and atheist is not mutally exclusive. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Its a stance on knowledge. An agnostic atheist says "I don't know whether or not there is a God, but I don't believe in one"
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Not always. Depends on the state and the seller
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That isn't the moral argument.
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@KebenaranBukanMilikAndaAtaupunSaya But we do objectively know. People's beliefs do not trump facts.
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@KebenaranBukanMilikAndaAtaupunSaya Some science is interpretation. Until it can be proven through the scientific method
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@brewhouse6160 And thats what you call confirmation bias. I don't write the whole thing off as a fairytale. Some things I believe and some are historical. Most of it though? Not so much. You don't know how to read it because there is no evidence as to what the correct way is. Thats why there ar 40,000 denominations.
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@brewhouse6160 Just because you don't believe it to be an actual event, which I'm frankly relieved by, doesn't mean other denominations don't.
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@mooncrow3758 You're not? You certainly act like one. You're childish and resort to name calling anyone who disagrees with you. My 4 year old does that. You should really take your own advice.
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MoonCrow I would love to see a post where I ever attacked a person of faith. I have no issue with people of faith. I have issue with some of the things faith causes people to do. I dropped the debate with you because you wouldn't debate me, you simply kept calling me names. I'm 26 years old. I'm a medical school student. I'm a wife and mother. I just also happen to be an atheist. And I'm curious to know why people believe the way they do.
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@kiwibird6171 You can't believe in a negative. I lack a belief in a God. That makes me an atheist. I don't claim a God cannot exist and do not know if one does. That makes me agnostic. Agnosticism has NOTHING to do with belief. It's a stance of knowledge.
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@anthonys7236 I am well aware of that
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Ryan Kelley People really need to look at the real reason we have a firearm problem. Because it isn't the guns.
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@kudu2196 Indiana doesn't have a gun registry. The only one responsible for a crime committed is the one who physically used the gun in the commitment of the crime.
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@andyscott15 Except there is no wooden boat or barge that would be able to stay afloat at the dimensions the Bible gives. Not to mention there would be geologic evidence for a world wide flood. You do realize that even if the Bible is metaphorical, it doesn't necessarily mean your God doesn't exist, right? The Grand Canyon would not have formed in a year. That takes millions of years of erosion. And there aren't. We have never found bones that suggest a massive flood.
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A & A World No, your killing a fetus- A non sentient developing child. Your pro life until a loved one gets raped and she wants an abortion.
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Sex and gender are not the same thing. And a transgendered male is a seperate gender from a cisgender male technically speaking.
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"Reading the Bible makes you a Christan. Understanding the Bible makes you an atheist"
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@ebonie4002 I am having a mature conversation with you. You came at me and insulted my intelligence, so I simply told you what I thought. This is something you learn in biology. So excuse me if I question your intelligence when you clearly came at me.
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Hailey Xx That's a disgusting and horrid thing to say. Sex is also meant to be pleasurable to the body. It's not just for procreation. You know what's selfish? Forcing a child to go through horrific abuse because you forced an unfit mother to give birth.
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You can be in love with multiple people. That is not arguable.
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Yes. And then look at countries like Brazil and Mexico that have a gun ban and nearly twice the gun crime. It couldn't possibly be a culture could it?
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@EvanHarris456 Having a child is not always a responsible decision. Are you actually saying that people who look into abortion CHOOSE to neglect and abuse their child? That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. They dont CHOOSE to neglect and abuse their children. They have no CHOICE because they cannot financially, physically or emotionally handle a child. Is this the case in all circumstances? No. But it certainly is in the majority. If you support abortion under ANY circumstance, you are pro-choice by definition, though that is not what I would call you. I would call you "hypocrite".
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I do. So what? Its a common turn a phrase for annoyance.
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@PhillipReina Yeah you are. All humans are. You subject people to suffering and abuse, so how is that helpful?
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I think the point she was trying to make was its ultimately the woman's decision. The man should absolutely be involved, and should have his peace heard and considered, but the choice is ultimately hers. No court is going to give you, as a man, the right to force her to keep an unwanted pregnancy. Thats just not the system we live in.
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Vegans don't use any animal based products, including things like leather, wool, fur, or silk used in clothing. That may be why they're dressed a certain way.
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So...should we execute every verteran who saw combat? Veterans that killed civilians in their duties? "A life for a life" is so vague.
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@lifeoftoast1864 You did say you were livid so. And no I'm not. Just a person interested in honest debate with people.
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No he doesn't. He spouts his opinions and gets pissy when people don't take it as truth.
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@reubenrodrigues7962 Because there is no evidence for a God, let alone which God out of the thousands worshipped is correct. I dont think God is bad. Because I dont believe in one. The God portrayed in the Bible is bad.
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They also have a completely different culture and they have stabbings and bombings. You wanna know the places that get shot up? Gun free and restricted zones. Know why lax gun states don't have mass shootings? Because you'll be shot long before you can hurt anyone.
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There is literally an insert on every vaccination that is legally required to tell you what's in that vaccine, along with potential risks. Ask for it.
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Let's pretend its that easy.
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@jamesgrime5328 One deals with belief and one deals with knowledge. How is that mutually exclusive
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Absolutely.
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No. For two reasons. A) A fetus is not recognized under the Constitution as a person. Sure, its of the human species, but it lacks personhood. And B) Your right to life cannot infrige on another person's fundamental rights. Just because I'll die without blood or an organ doesn't mean a doctor can just take those things from you. Consent is needed. Simple. Because as a woman, it is my choice what I do with my body.
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@cman04 Here's the problem. Abortion is not murder. That is not an opinion. Murder is a legal term with an established definition that you don't just get to change. Yes, it is a life. But that doesn't define murder, and to claim it does is dishonest.
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There is no "right diet" for everyone.
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@Sammy-bu4ms Which no one is anti-death penalty for. If you think human life is sacred, I find that rather silly.
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Then you shouldn't work in a jail anymore, because there absolutely doesn't.
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Your right. It isn't a loophole. But it refers to the private sales at shows, which people think is a loophole.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 I agree with pro-gun. Highly doubt you'd still be pro-life if someone you loved was raped, or the pregnancy was killing them.
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There's a difference between having conviction and being an asshole. Especially when you're wrong.
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Doctors have to make a living like all people do. I don't do my job for the sole purpose of getting paid however. I do my job to help people. You don't work your ass off for 10+ year unless you want to help.
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They're not. They have options as well. Fight for custody or terminate your rights.
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I think the problem stems from the fact that gun shows aren't just dealers. Private sellers sell at shows as well, and that's where that "myth" started.
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Well, because it is.
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You don't need a book to tell you how to be moral. In fact, if you take your morality from the Bible, you're a sick individual. The Bible condones and advocates for things like slavery, misogyny, rape, infanticide, abuse and murder. There is no objective morality. Its subjective. No one is right when they argue that stealing is inherently right or wrong. We are taught that things are wrong because of the damage it does to victims. I don't need a wrathful, bloodthirsty deity to tell me I'm a bad person simply because I don't believe in him.
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@nativedude3428 Are you seriously trying to tell me the Bible doesn't condone that? You've clearly never read the Bible then, especially the OT. Nothing inherently makes slavery, misogyny or murder wrong. That is a subjective opinion. There are people out there who don't believe murder is wrong. Its subjective. Just because its subjective doesn't make them innocent. We have crimes because we can empathize with a person who is victimized. Law is based on a consensus, not an absolute. There is no natural law that tells us what is right an wrong. We grow up believing what is right and wrong based on how it affects others around us. This is still subjective.
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Someone doesn't understand what the definition of murder is
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@azariazulu No it wasn't. She said value to life is not inherent. And its not. You aren't special because you were born or exist.
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@Earth.Ground.Shaking There are no objective truths when it comes to morality. My opinion is meerly my own. Subjective morals can lead to an objective goal, but that's my 2 cents.
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@Earth.Ground.Shaking Okay, now you've lost me. I'm not interested in your sermon. I don't believe in God.
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@Earth.Ground.Shaking I don't know why this conversation moved from abortion to religion. I was a Christian for over 20 years. I lost my faith when I stepped out of confirmation bias and tried to prove God existed without using religious text. Bottom line, there is no evidence for a God, so I don't believe in one.
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And they have that right. How do you know they didn't use protection? What she choses to do with her body is her choice
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@skynatkee No, its not an atheists job to make people their belief's are wrong. Its a theists job to prove their beliefs are right.
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Australia bought back nearly 70% of their guns. Try tasing someone on meth. See what happens when they get right back up.
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@romanovnagenesis1944 Polygamy and polyamory are not the same thing. Some of us poly people are asexual, like myself. I have a deep committed relationship with 2 men, but have no desire to have sex with them. To say there is little commitment and love is basically you saying you are ignorant about polyamorous relationships. I'll happily answer any questions.
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Apparently being in a consenting relationship=narcissistic sociopath? So then...wouldn't that also apply to monogamous people?
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@theyautjawarrior6652 And I agree. But giving birth to a child you do not want and will likely neglect is also irresponsible.
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@theyautjawarrior6652 Adoption is not a solution to unwanted pregnancy, nor is it always an option.
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You should probably finish that, since "liberty" and "pursuit of happiness" also apply here. You understand that these rights aren't ranked right?
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@DarkSpice84 Saying there is no God. Gnostic atheism.
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Yes, and lets just ignore how those shootings took place in gun free zones. Or how countries like Mexico and Brazil that have a ban on guns have nearly twice the gun violence.
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Way to not take into consideration all the people who didn't want to live past birth and whose lives are now destroyed. But as long as their alive right?
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Why?
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How do you think DNA works lmao? Its literally half your DNA. Adoption is not always an option, so not only are you uninformed about biology, you know nothing of how the adoption process works. No one murders a baby in an abortion. Few people use it at as form of birth control.
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@Humanity Galatica But you just said that's not legal. That's not adoption. That's child abandonment. What happened to caring about "lives of children?"
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@d.j.wellington Oh? So I guess killing someone in self-defense shouldn't be okay. I guess DNR's and Slow Codes shouldn't be okay. I guess defending yourself in a war-zone isn't okay. No. I'll stand up proudly for others rights. Fuck off with your hypocrisy.
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Its almost as if you've just described agnostic atheism.
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I have no issue with that. They must to stay healthy.
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If God sends me to hell because he's to lazy to provide me evidence that he exists, he's a monster and a tyrant who is undeserving of my love and time
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Because sex is about way more than reproduction. Reproduction, to some, is just a possible outcome.
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Then you, as an atheist, do not know what an atheist is. And that is sad.
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@johnbattle7518 Perhaps you should then look up what "commitment" means, because nowhere does it mention it has to be to one person.
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No its not. No one is forcing you to get an abortion if you don't want one.
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@IAMAPIRL They're fighting to keep abortion legal. But many of us are also fighting for sex education, more funding for neonatal care so we DON'T have to abort, access to mental health professionals and care and access to contraception. Its not just about abortion.
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A fetus is not a child. It is not sentient at the time of most abortions. These two things are not comparable. It is totally different.
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"Legal muder" is an oxymoron, because for something to be "murder" it must be "illegal." Its just as wrong to force an unfit mother to go through pregnancy and birth.
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@Dave m Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries: • A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19). Your God is absolutely NOT against abortion.
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Perhaps in your view, but no. That is not an objective fact
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LunAria LoonAtic You have to be 21 to buy a handgun. Even privately.
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@SydLane Termination of a potential human life does not equate to murder. Murder is a legal term. Killing? Yes. Murder? No. The fetus is not a child. Child and baby are post utero. Fetus is in utero.
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You would know that how? No questions of the subject were explored.
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No he's not.
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Humans are animals. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Are you asking how we would have a sense of morality? Secular humanism. We do what is best for our species to surive and procreate. You do not need a Gid for that. In fact, if you obeyed everything in the Bible, that would be a ine way ticket to death row.
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They already did
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No he wasn't. Plenty of atheists believe in the supernatural. Atheists just don't believe in a God, which she clearly did not. Being an atheist tells you nothing about my other beliefs. Agnostic is a redundant word that is a knowledge claim on the existence of God. It literally means "I don't know". Everyone should be agnostic. You're an agnostic theist. I'm an agnostic atheist. The word agnostic is redundant.
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@TheDave159 Thats because abortion deals with the a woman's constitutional rights. If you do for the right reasons, it doesn'r fuck you up mentally
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Because marriage is expensive? And can be devastating if it fails? Why not just bring back commonlaw?
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No where in America is physician negligence in even the top 10 causes of death. Heart disease is 1st followed by cancer. You can eat as healthy as you want, and you can still get sick and have medical problems. Get educated please.
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@thomasmerano8926 You're not wrong but you're not really right either. They emit chemical signals during a change of any outside stimuli, not just when being cut or harvested. So to say that they emit "distress" is really misleading. Chemical reactions occur when a cell wall is damaged, but that is not akin to feeling.
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@thomasmerano8926 No. Its okay. Personally, I think people should eat what makes them healthy and happy.
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We all die, so I believe its quite strange to be anti-death.
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Protection isn't always available, nor can everyone take them. Abstinence is fine if you don't have a libido that needs constant tending. If a fetus shouldn't "loose its choice to live", then its hypocritical to allow abortion for rape either. That fetus didn't have a say in whether its mother got raped. The right to abortion is just that. A right.
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@benedekvarga5778 I deny him because I don't believe he exists. If me being an atheist mocks him, then all he has to do is show me he exists. Everyone has an escape mechanism because everyone his problems. No, I stopped believing in God almost a decade ago. I am a singer and like to practice key changes and pitching, which Amazing Grace is great for. I don't need a God.
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And yet, the Bible absolutely condones both genocide and abortion. Sounds like it can't make up its mind. There are plenty of examples of God's people slaughtering unbelievers, and ripping children from their mother's wombs. Or how about punishing children for the sins of the father? Stop picking and choosing which Bible verses you site.
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@Humanity Galatica A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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@Humanity Galatica Actually it does. And I've already given you tje verses
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Because you are a vector for a mutation. If a virus mutates, suddenly no one is protected. Thats how pandemics can start. Yes, it should be your right. But you should also face consequences and lose certain privileges.
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Its not false. Its just poor nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to private sales at shows.
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That's because Steven Crowder himself went about that experiment dishonestly. You absolutely CAN legally buy guns without a background check at shows. You just have to know who you're buying from. Private sales happen at shows all the time. And most states do not restrict them.
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@Tbj2222 Yeah, so am I. The fact is that it ISN'T a crime to purchase a gun from a show without a background check. That narrative is a straight up lie. Its NOT illegal.
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@michael-k. There is no such thing as objective morality, no matter how you try. Nothing in nature tells you what is right. A fetus can't consent. It has no sentience nor rights. Yeah, because people waiting to be adopted are never abused and everyone who is in adoption centers get adopted, right? Oh wait. Also no. A fetus isn't a baby until after birth.
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@michael-k. I have plenty of morals, and I don't priotize life. Sentience is what matters to me, not life. Also, just because I'm pro-choice doesn't mean I think an abortion is okay at every stage, nor should ot be the first option you run to. Maybe get some perspective from people who disagree with you.
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@michael-k. I don't know anyone who thinks late term abortion is okay. Its physically impossible to get morals from nature because morality is a human concept. I get my morality from secular humanism.
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Or the just commit to multiple people.
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@cantspelltriumphwithouttru4277 Sounds like projection.
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"Speaks the truth" No. He talks out his ass while peddling his belief as fact. "Was right about the definiton of agnostic and atheist" Also false. She clearly said she didn't believe in God. That makes her an atheist. Agnostic is redundant, because everyone should be agnostic.
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Lmao. They don't. Double homicide almost never sticks. They're charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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@le_hope8349 I didn't say that. If you make the decision to get sterilized when you're young, that's permenant. You can't reverse that if you change your mind when you're older. That's why doctors don't do it usually before you're 30. I'm not saying I necessarily disagree with you. But it opens people up for lawsuits. Then either they're a rare case, or they had a hard time getting pregnant to begin with. It's not "meant" to be there. It just shouldn't "be" anywhere else. The problem is anecdotal evidence is not credible. Everyone is different. There are many people who don't want kids now who want them in the future.
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We can make educated guesses based on current situations. We have statistics on this.
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He never said everyone could, but most can. And we don't even give them that chance.
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@peruperaoOo I dont hate myself. I hate my past. And acknowledging that not everyone achieves happiness like you claim is not disrespectful. Its reality.
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Yes it is. You have the right to liberty. That means no one gets to use any part of your body without your express consent.
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Way to prove you know nothing about how vaccines work.
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No he isnt. And the fact that you think he is shows your bias. An atheist is someone who does not believe in God. She is an atheist.
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Nope. I love my children equally. They both have their downfalls. There is definitely that child that is "more like you" that you jokingly call your favorite. But you shouldn't be a parent if you actually have a favorite, as that implies you would do things for that child that you wouldn't do for the other.
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@Maymay-mz4cp I won't admit to something that blatantly isn't true.
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I wouldn't generalize vegans like that. Most of us are very sensible.
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In general, a typical vegan diet tends to be healthier. I believe that's what they meant.
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Except the man still has options he can take. Either terminate his rights or fight for custody.
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So by that logic, anyone who has accidentally killed someone deserves to die. Any soldier deserves to die. Anyone who has killed in self defense deserves to die. See the problem?
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@IssyFishyy But that's what an eye for an eye means. And I actually DO know people who think like that.
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@IssyFishyy I'm not. I'm asking for clarification based on the actual definition of what an eye for an eye would mean. No where does it mention an eye for an eye means international killing. Based on this law, if you built a house for a neighbor and you accidentally didn't build it properly, you would die if it killed the owner. And your child would die if it killed their child.
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@IssyFishyy No. Your interpretation only applies to you. And you also don't get to change the connotation the phrase once had, even though its perfectly reasonable to have a different interpretation.
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Not really a question of whether or not he "deserved" it. Its a question of, should it have been done? I argue no.
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Do you know the difference between a scientific theory and a regular hypothesis? Because I doubt it.
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@Originalmtcur No scientist claims they know how life began. No credible scientist anyway. We have several theories about how life might have started.
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Anyone who makes everything about race and legitimately believes that the majority of the medical and criminal justice community want to do them harm has severe paranoia and should seek professional help.
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No, we're all different because we were born to different families and in different cultures and backgrounds.
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No, but they are the most common religion in the US
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A fetus is a cluster of cells. That's just a fact. All organic life is clusters of cells. You actually know nothing about the law. Almost never is it a double homicide. It is unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Abortions do not prevent you from having children. If she can't have children, its not because she had abortions. Where? Where can someone go that proves the child will have a good quality of life? It doesn't exist. Because there is no guarantee.
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@scottpe6226 There has never been any evidence linking vaccines to auto immune diseases, and its vile of you to spread that. I have lupus. Its genetic, like other auto immune diseases. The only thing a vaccine could potentially do is trigger it. It doesn't give you a condition you don't have.
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Absolutely. However, it being human should have no sway in abortion, if we are being honest. By the way, DNA is not unique in a scientific sense. You are 99% similar to all other humans.
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@aj-mi4mq The definition has never changed. Gender has always been a sociological concept. No child is confused. If they feel like a female and have female genitalia and genes (myself for instance) they're not going to suddenly think they're a boy.
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Sure. But that doesn't guarantee they won't be abused, neglected or killed by a failing system.
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@DeathsHood Lets not forget Hosea.
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@DeathsHood Yep.
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Your skull is way to thick and your brain way too small.
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You have yet to prove to me a hell exists. Do that first.
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IssyFishyy You haven't proven a creator exists, nor do you know that and that doesn't prove eternal punishment exists. Plenty of pagan religions have creator Gods and do not have a hell.
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@matt1325 So the problem with your dolphin comparison is you seem to lack the knowledge of what a special pleading fallacy is. Special pleading is when you make an exception to a claim that is proven false. Saying that a dolphin has no personhood is not a false claim. Sentience is what defines personhood, but personhood is a term entirely specific to humans. You are creating a strawman. There are also no "degrees" of sentience. You are either sentient or you aren't. You are confusing sentience with intelligence and rationality. Also, if I found a human who was not rational in nature, would you not deem them valuable? Value is something placed on you by others. Its not a prescriptive term. Humans will never be valued equally.
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@JoeyB0b I absolutely agree.
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The old man is not speaking facts. Please look up what a "fact" is. You haven't proven a heaven exists. What do I have to repent for? Not believing in a God that has absoutely no evidence behind it? Are you implying that not believing in a 2000 year old book full of disgusting atrocities, a wrathful deity and contradictions is wrong? What evidence can you provide to prove that my position as an atheist is objectively wrong? You are precisely the reason why organized religion is dying in more developed countries.
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Deserving something should not be what a law is based on. That is lunacy. Emotions get in the way of resonable actions. Now, thats not to say emotions shouldn't play a role. But when the entire backbone of your argument is "I feel they deserve it", your position looks weak. There is NEVER 100% proof in ANY case. That is one of the first things they teach you in any criminal justice course.
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That's something you need to prove.
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Sure, some vegans have a shorter lifespan. But...so do non-vegans. You can get protein in vegan foods. Soybeans are a complete protein. Your statement about protein and b-12 is just...false. if you aren't getting these in your diet, you aren't doing the diet correctly.
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I beg to differ. Its situational.
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Words There is way more evidence for evolution than any existence of a deity. Take a biology class.
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Words I took bible study for 20 years before realizing it was genocidal hypocritical Bullshit. We do not believe we evolved from fish. Do some research and talk to a evolutionist
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It's only dangerous if you dont know how to use one.
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Using adoption as an option should be explored. But you have to understand that aborting a fetus doesnt mean you dont care. Putting a child up for adoption isnt free, and theres no guarantee that child will ever BE adopted. There are so many more children in adoption centers and foster homes than there are families willing to raise and care for them.
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A D & C procedure is ALSO done following an abortion. Perhaps that is what she meant.
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@annalesher3753 Ummm no. Abortions are almost never performed surgically. A medication is given that essentially forces the body to miscarry, and then a D&C is performed. Surgical abortions are exclusively done for medical necessity. I'm not sure what side of the spectrum you fall on, but I hope we can continue to learn.
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@annalesher3753 No, the medication doesn't fail. They're performed in late term abortions where the pill will not be effective. Late term abortions (that are legal at least) are exclusively done due to medical complications.
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Imagine being polyamorous and asexual.
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@agentk1930 Its not hard to do both at all. I'm asexual, but married and with 2 men.
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@broodingsoap9469 That's fine. Most people do.
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@broodingsoap9469 Because I fell in love? Asexual doesn't mean aromatic. It also doesn't mean I'm incapable of having sex. I just do not find sexual attraction in anything.
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@broodingsoap9469 No. I'm married. Romantic and physical attraction is not the same as sexual attraction.
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@broodingsoap9469 Well then ask and I'll try to clarify.
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@broodingsoap9469 Well then don't complain. You're being willfully ignorant
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How is balancing multiple relationships lazy?
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@pbj4184 Thats not how a polyamorous relationship works.
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@travisjohnson7065 Nah. My conscious totally is fine with abortion. You don't care about life. Stop pretending humans are on some pedastal.
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@James-rc6qq Nope. That's just what the moniker wants you to believe. The pro-choice side not only cares more about life, but also cares about quality of life for all parties involved. Pro-lifers are the same people who don't want to help healthcare or women after birth.
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As someone who has worked with law enforcement and has both used and been shot with a tazer, you absolutely build up a resistance to them. I have personally seen people, especially those strung out on drugs like meth, be COMPLETELY unaffected by tazers.
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I find plenty of purpose as an atheist. By the way, if you believe in science, then you know the flood didn't happen.
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@lotus9865 How? Its simply lack of a belief in God?
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@lotus9865 No it doesn't. It does not take faith to not believe in something.
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Very few actually. Because the ones who get off death row are usually commuted to a life sentence or were innocent in the first place.
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Not true. Gun shows, depending on state, can also allow private sellers. Private sales do not require a background check in most states.
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@broadkiwi6882 That depends on where you live. Where I'm from, most shows are private sellers, with maybe 1 or 2 dealers.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s I know I'm right, but it doesn't matter. Just do what makes you and those around you happy.
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No one is pro-abortion. And I'm sorry, thats simply not true. The foster care and adoption systems are flooded with children. The supply far outweighs the demand. I have personally seen newborns turned away from agencies because they had no room. Also, adoption isn't free nor does it give a child the guarantee to grow up happy. There are worse things than death.
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@tuub1281 No. I'm just not going to do the work for you. If you want information on guns, do your own research. I'll say this. When I went to the Netherlands, I saw many people openly carrying. Perhaps that has changed.
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@Layla-dr4oc That is your subjective opinion. Forced birth and pregnancy is also not right.
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@connermcgarrah2171 Forced pregnancy is making it illegal for any person, regardless of reason behind it, to carry and birth a child. Period. Doesn't matter if its rape, failed contraception or just unprotected sex.
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@connermcgarrah2171 No, you aren't understanding. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Not allowing abortion for any reason whether it be incest, rape, medical, failed contraception or unprotected sex is FORCED pregnancy. Period.
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Not really. Facts don't support either side in a moral debate. We can use facts to build our own opinions.
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They also don't become a repeat offender in prison for life. Except potentially against other offenders. Which you seem okay with.
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@Z33Garage You do realize execution costs more of your tax dollars, right?
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@Z33Garage No, its because of the Constitution
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Thats not true. Many countries that have no guns have serverly high violence and crime rates. Just low GUN CRIME rates.
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What makes you think that? I'm sure there are plenty of vegans who could kick your ass.
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topherh33 mur·der ˈmərdər/ noun 1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. The key word there is UNLAWFUL. Abortion is NOT UNLAWFUL so is therefore NOT MURDER. Yes, basic cells have started to form. But it has no BRAIN nor BRAINSTEM it cannot be sentient. A newborn and a 1 month old has a FULLY FUNCTIONING BRAIN and is able to perceive the world around it. Therefore it has sentience. I would have rather been aborted than have to deal with the shit I had to deal with as a child who was ABUSED by the system before FINALLY finding a home when I was fucking 9. You people don't even bother to see the other side of it.
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topherh33 Apparently you can't read, because again, abortion isn't murder. Abortion would have prevented me from being abused by a drug addicted mother who couldn't care for me. When the fuck did I ever say there was nothing wrong with abortion? Never once did I say that. I just believe in people having the right to CHOOSE what is done with their own body. I'm not young. My parents are at fault for the shit that THEY did to me. If I make a mistake in life, I own up to it and do better. That's why I don't abuse others even though I thought for the longest time that was normal. When I became an adult, I no longer had to let anyone abuse me. That doesn't mean I'm not fucking damaged and don't sometimes wish I wasn't aborted. You have a great job? Good for you. I can't even fucking work because my MOTHER broke my lumbar spine. I am striving to do better in life. I did things I hated to do to put myself into college. So don't accuse me of not taking responsibility. You don't have to like or agree with abortion to not try and outlaw a woman to have control over her own body.
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topherh33 Not in my country it isn't, and this debate is in AMERICA. So in AMERICA, it's not murder. I'm not mad at my mother for not aborting me. I don't care either way. There are times when I wish I had been aborted. I'm almost fucking 30. I'm not a young adult. Bullshit you have no legs and 3 fingers. You wouldn't be able to work if that was the case. Abortion is a woman's issue, because a FETUS is not a CHILD. You wanna argue that? Take it up with biological scientists. Not all women are victims, but they deserve to be able to have CONTROL over a FETUS that does NOTHING BENEFICIAL FOR THEM. I'd bet that you would still love your wife and female family members if they had an abortion because they were not able to care for that child.
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topherh33 In all honesty, this whole conversation doesn't matter. Roe vs Wade will never be overturned and abortion will never be outlawed in the United States. You have your feelings. I have mine.
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topherh33 pardon me, but I don't believe you. I don't believe you be able to function without extreme medical invention, especially if you were so severely burned. I had a fractured lumbar spine and had a spinal fusion when I was 14. Around my 16th birthday, I developed neuropathy in my legs and by 18 could no longer walk. Nobody will hire me because I'm considered an "unreliable employee" What part about what I said makes you think I'm an abuser? Everything I said was just factually accurate. I have 2 sons whom I love very dearly. Never have I laid a hand on them. Also, nice ad hominem. Never once did I insult you. I don't like mountain dew or fried chicken. I will state my position one more time. Factually, a fetus is not a child nor a baby. Factually, a fetus provides no benefit to the mother. However, I believe that woman should take precautions to avoid having unwanted pregnancies and should explore every single alternative possibility before making the decision to have an abortion. That being said, I do not think it is right to deny a woman a right to have an abortion, if she has explored every option and does not feel fit enough to be a parent. Sort of like I believe suicide should be the absolute last resort, I feel the same on abortion. That is my stance.
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He doesn't need your mom to live. He's not biologically dependent on her. A fetus is. It needs a uterus and umbilical cord to continue to function (at the time of most abortions).
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Believing in 2 genders doesn't make you right. Keep arguing with science though.
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@Brianna-nc3og Then you're okay with objectively being wrong. And thats fine.
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@ilya34prvur19 So what? They're more sentient than the fetus your up in arms about aborting. Why are humans on such a pedestal? We're animals as well.
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Why so angry?
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No. He isn't.
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@NornFang721 How is he?
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lani Sentience is the difference. By the way, abortions at 4 months rarely occur. Most take place between 6 and 9 weeks. Also, a fetus isn't in the stomach.
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No not really. Pro-life has to rely on religion and moral fallacies to have any kind of point.
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Higher intake of red meat and poultry is associated with significantly increased risk of developing diabetes, which is partially attributed to their higher content of heme iron in these meats. Not saying that in moderation its bad. Just saying.
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missladyOhtee No, what she was saying is you can be an atheist without denying that a God could exist. She's an agnostic atheist, as are most atheists.
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missladyOhtee No it isn't. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a God. An agnostic is a knowledge claim to whether or not a God exists. You are never just an agnostic. She probably tried, but the old man would have continued to tell her she wasn't an atheist. That gets irritating. He kept saying she wasn't an atheist. That's what she was denying.
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@UltraAar It can't cause Autism. Autism is genetic. If your family members have autism, they had it before they were born. Correlation does not equal causation. Many signs of autism develop early, and symptoms show around the time people get vaccines. But there are many people who aren't vaccinated that have autism and many who are that don't. Your simply wrong.
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@UltraAar Gender is a spectrum because its a social construct. And its not a hugely broad spectrum. In can range from low functioning (non-verbal) to high functioning (social autism). I know 2 people in my life, other than myself, with an autism spectrum disorder. Funny enough? Neither were vaccinated before their diagnosis. In one sentence? "A social and communication disorder"
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Uhhh no. Relationships are about the feelings between the individuals. But, if you were to bring up a stable house for children, what point would that make? Both monogamous and polyamorous people provide stability.
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I'm polyamorous. My relationship goes just as deep as a monogamous person. Just with 2 people instead of 1.
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@kingorange7739 No it can't. A child outside the womb is not biologically dependent on its moth for survival.
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Its not in all circumstances. Under federal law, a woman has to be 5 months along or more before its considered a double homicide. In other words, the cutoff date for most state abortions. Perhaps learn the law before you try and use that as an argument.
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The death penalty is not practical nor beneficial and should be abolished.
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@escandon785 No. No it isn't. Why not take 30 seconds and actually look at what the definition of murder is? Also, fetus is the term for any unborn mammal. Who cares that its human? You're not special because you're human. You're just an ape who got lucky on the fusion of chomosome 2 during evoultion. Value is descriptive, not prescriptive.
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@escandon785 No, but he only has those rights because a governmental body grants him those rights. They aren't inherent.
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Let's just prented that's actually how adoption works.
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Nice try, but getting mad when someone is being a rude asshole to you is always justified, no matter who it is.
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@criticclips1560 Umm no. I can certainly prove morals exist. Just in a subjective context. I do have morals.
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@criticclips1560 No, there are no objective morals. "Morality" is just a term for ethics one lives by. We don't "prove" philosophical concepts.
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@criticclips1560 I do have morals. I have a right and wrong set I live by. Just as you do.
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@criticclips1560 I'm not beating around a bush. Laws are there to govern a society. They're secular.
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@criticclips1560 Morality is subjective. Sp what? There's a law for society because thats how things function. And they absolutely were not based on Christian views. The founding fathers were not Christian. Secular humanism is better than Christianity will ever be.
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Private sales is probably why. They think all sales are done privately.
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I think that's projection. They weren't really respectful (although they were more respectful than the last group) but they weren't educated. You seem biased.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 So are you claiming then that you misunderstood the Bible, and it's actually not horrible at all, or are you claiming that the Bible and the God it portrays is horrible? Because one is cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy and the other is literal text.
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@UCioji-estCyM9IbY3ATI0kA I don't know how the universe came into existence, and I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance. The universe could have always existed, a natural phenomenon could have caused it, a deity could be behind it, etc. I don't really know, so I don't jump to a God conclusion. It may be impossible in the reality as we know it, but the universe isn't bound by the laws we have on Earth. Yes he did. The Bible even commanded it. So are you just ignoring the Bible? And even if I granted you that the Bible doesn't command that (which it did), if God is all powerful, then he had the ability to stop the mass slaughter and did nothing. That makes him just as bad, if not worse, since he had the power to do something and did nothing.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 I think faith is a foolish way to live a life. I believe faith is not a valid way to get to truth. If you expect me to believe in something, I would first like evidence this thing exists. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a God. How is that inconsistent?
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 I see nor feel no evidence for this spiritual world and therefore reject the idea of its existence. You don't know its true, and I do not hold any value in what a liar has to say.
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If we're going by the Bible, her father is correct. She would be going to hell. That's the problem.
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Nope. Thats not the way that works.
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@llrxnzloll6831 Thats her right. No one has the right to not care for the children they birth.
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@llrxnzloll6831 I have no idea what your talking about. I never denied it wasn't human. And as someone who came from an entirely dysfunctional home and was failed multiple times by the state, I would have rather been aborted. But thats me.
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Get them every time I need one. Don't personally know anyone who doesn't. I thought that was just normal.
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Pro-life arguments in general are horrible.
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@kva5751 You literally have to cherry pick the Bible in order to not be in jail.
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Humans are also animals. Besides mass war and pollution, what purpose do humans serve? Not saying whatever you eat is bad. But your argument is kinda flawed.
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Lol no. They're irritated because they were consistantly cut off and belittled by someone who is a moron. I'd be irritated too. Until you can back up your beliefs with evidence, keep your religion to people who actually give a damn.
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Depends on your body. You can certainly be completely healthy on a vegan diet just as you can be completely healthy on a vegetarian or a meat incorporated diet.
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That is not how that works.
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So falling in love with multiple people and staying in lasting committed relationships is selfish? Okay. Then being monogamous just means you're needy and possessive, because you want your partner to give everything to only you. Does that really make sense to you?
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Why do you only extend that compassion towards human life? You take no issue killing bugs in your house. You take no issue eating meat from slaughtered animals, unless you're vegan. You're just a hypocrite who only values human life, instead of all life. Here's something to think about. I was a failed abortion, and because of that, I grew up in a horrible environment. Now, I was one of the few who made something out of her life. But that's because I was strong enough to pull through it. There are so many children out there who aren't like me. They're failed by their parents and then shoved in a broken system. Try thinking about the quality of life. A non sentient fetus is unable to think or feel. A sentient child who is born, is able to think and feel. When you force unfit parents to have that child, you cause a chain reaction. I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm simply giving you my view and something to think about.
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@nickstojic6995 "if its wrong" would be a subjective opinion. You do not have the right to own another person. You do have the right to your own body. Comparing abortion to slavery is a strawman.
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You need to take a sociology class.
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@anomaloustick4471 I'm well aware of that. But some are uncomfortable with that.
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@anomaloustick4471 I'm personally not uncomfortable. None of this changes the fact that abortion in protected under the Constitution. Its why you've never been able to overturn Roe vs Wade.
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You arent pro life by definition if you support abortion in ANY circumstances.
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Mathilde Young Way to compare apples to oranges. A cat, a born being with a developed brain and nervous system capable of understanding emotions and feeling pain, to a fetus, a parasitic group of cells incapable of feeling because at the time of most abortions, neither the brain nor nervous system has developed.
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Mathilde Young He or she has the potential to be a human being. It is a fetus until it develops enough to scientifically be classified as a human being. Humans and cats are both animals. Why is one more important than the other? I'm not discriminating. I would love to live in a world where abortions were not necessary. But I would rather see a fetus, unable to comprehend or feel pain, be aborted than have it be born to a neglectful parent who will either kill it when it CAN feel pain, or abuse it to the point that it grows up to abuse someone else.
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No, he's feeding you his belief and then getting pissy when you don't take it as fact. Because it's not.
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@milonga_ Since when has value ever been placed on life as opposed to sentience? Why is it only in this instance that we ignore sentience in favor of life?
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Being pro-life has nothing to do with guns. If it did, then anyone who was pro-life would have to be vegan, anti-gun, anti-death penalty and anti-military.
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And why is that?
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HeyitsMeAgain No. An atheist simply doesn't believe in a god. An agnostic doesn't know. I'm an occultist who believes in magic. I'm also an agnostic atheist.
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@kay-vs3te I'm glad. I'd rather hope that if there is a God, he would judge me based on my actions in life. Not whether or not I believe in him.
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@glitchyjoe64 I have autism. Its a genetic disorder.
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Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. She is an agnostic atheist. No atheists are confused on their belief, because they have no belief.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by A lack of a belief in something is not the same as believing in a negative. I would take an English class. Being an agnostic atheist is not contradictory, because believing something to be real is not the same as knowing something to be real. Everyone should be agnostic, because nobody knows. Just because an atheist does not believe in God does not me they brush aside the idea that a God MIGHT exist. Yes, I do want justitifacrion for why you have faith. That doesn't mean I deny the possibility it may exist. You are one of the thousands of people who confuse an atheist with an anti theist. No atheist makes the conclusion that because they lack belief, God must not exist. That's an anti-theist, someone who claims that a God cannot or does not exist. Your comparison makes no sense. I doubt there is anyone who doesn't believe in them, but you ate using something that could be easily proven. The intellectual honest response to the supernatural is to lack belief until evidence is provided pfnits existence. Once again: Lack of a belief is not the same as believing something does not exist. Do I believe in God? No. Do I deny a God may exist: No. I intellectually know that just because I don't believe in something doesn't mean it may not be there. So once again, I am an agnostic atheist.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by If God is real, he would know what evidence I would need to believe in him. Until he offers that, I will continue to be an atheist.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by Its not meant to be viewed in a philosophical context. Once again, atheism answers the question. "I don't personally believe in God, but I cannot disprove of one". Why is that so hard to understand? Yes, agnostic theists exist. Many theists are agnostic. A theist is someone who BELIEVES in a God. Belief and knowledge are, ONCE AGAIN, NOT the same thing. You can say you don't know and still believe in something. You cannot give affirmatation to a belief claim. That's ridiculous.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by Neither of those are claims. Claims make a factual statement. Only anti theists and gnostics make claims. Believing in something is not a positive claim, nor is stating "I don't know" No, I'm an agnostic atheist. The literal definition of the word "agnostic" makes it redundant. That term was coined for people who are probably atheistic, but are too afraid to say they are atheistic. If you do not believe in a God, you are an atheist. It's that simple.
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@ryancomiskey4479 Except it doesn't have those rights. Because your rights are determined by a government. Not only that, those rights stop where another's rights begin. The fetuses right to life does not supersede the mother's right to liberty. Abortion isn't a moral issue. Stop making it one.
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@ryancomiskey4479 Well its not murder. So that point is irrelevant. Words have established definitions. My rights cannot infringe on yours. My rights cannot supersede yours, as you are another human being. I need a kidney to live, and you have a healthy kidney to give. A doctor cannot just take your kidney without consent only on the grounds that "well it will save a life." Thats the Constitution. Universal human rights don't exist. Nature doesn't care about humans or their rights. But society does. Rights are subjective based on the codes that the government decides, with the help of its people in a republic like the US. The right to life does not supersede liberty. All rights are CREATED EQUAL. You don't have an inherent right to be alive when that infringes on the rights of someone else, like your mother. Thats WHY the USSC upholds Roe vs Wade.
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@faithelizabeth9309 No it isn't. Why do you place so much value on a heartbeat and not brain activity? Killing doesn't always equate to murder.
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@faithelizabeth9309 The brainstem doesn't even develop until between 12 and 15 weeks, and the actual brain not until between 20 and 22. I would also make sure you know what you're talking about before you argue.
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If you do a vegan diet right, there is no excuse not to have enough protein. The problem is people jump into the vegan diet like they would an omnivorous diet, and it doesn't work like that. Veganism requires complimenting and preparing meals.
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I don't believe in God. We evolved to make our own choices. A selfish deity who demands the final say has no place in my life. It cannot do anything because it may not exist. If there is a hell, God is a disgusting despicable monster unworthy of love. I am an atheist, and because I don't believe in an afterlife, I don't live in fear.
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You realize the Bible also says shes going to hell right? Unless he divorced her. And she's committed adultery if she got remarried.
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Humans are animals. We're mammals.
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Then it would make more sense for doctors to be anti-vaccine. Since they would make MORE MONEY off people being sick then the FREE vaccines.
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You know whats not 100% effective in preventing pregnancy? A condom.
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@Clarkillustrations Completely agree!
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Its almost as if asexual polyamorous don't exist...kinda ruins your whole argument.
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@confection7615 Because you said that polyamorous people are driven by lust, which is sexual desire. Yet, there are asexuals who are polyamorous. So how is polyamory strictly driven by lust, as you claim?
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It would be unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Not murder.
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@scottpe6226 Vaccines have never been linked to an increased risk of an autoimmune or metabolic disease. There is also nothing in vaccines that could be harmful that you either don't eat, or your body naturally makes. There's also never been a link between cancer and vaccines.
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Thomas Benedict Abstince does not work. It goes against human nature. Human beings want to have sex. It's a pleasurable experience. Abortion has nothing to do with life. It has to do with sentience. Most abortions are performed between 6 and 9 weeks. No brainstem, no heartbeat, no sentience. The choice is never easy, but I know many women who don't regret their decision to abort. They just regretted the circumstances they were in that forced them to chose abortion.
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Instead of blaming vaccines, how about blame the true culprit? Environment and genetics. Sorry, but the evidence does not back up vaccines lowering the immune system long term. Its sad that you're proud of child neglect and stupidity. Hope you rot in prison like several other parents whose children died to preventable diseases.
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Not for everyone.
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Hormone therapy. Stress relief. Pain management. You do realize sex is more than procreation? Thats you. You do not and cannot speak for everyone.
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She said that after he said twice that she "was not an atheist but was agnostic". Agnostic is a useless term. Everyone should be agnostic. It's just means "I don't know".
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Life begins at conception. That will never be changed. That's not the argument when it comes to abortion.
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@imadedisaccount2commentido693 As a pro-choice person, this is an argument that has to stop. Because it is scientifically inaccurate. We do not define life based on sentience. Its when arguing when a fetus is a person, that this argument can be used.
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Smallpox, Polio, Plague being wiped out isn't evidence enough for you? The fact that some diseases have been completely eradicated doesn't show you? Then you're beyond hope.
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Because Germany's culture and government is different.
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There's a reason you weren't picked for jury duty. You're too emotional, you lack logic, and you're biased.
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So how was he right? She stated multiple times that she did not believe in a God.
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No it isn't. Our founders (if I'm assuming you mean the US) were NOT Christian.
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Have you actually ever been to a gun show? They're sold all the time at shows.
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It depends on what kind of vegan you are.
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Thats not only an unpopular opinion, its a baseless assumption.
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@CamSpaghett What's wrong with falling in love with more than one person?
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Why does the truth hurt so bad? Calling it a cluster of cells is just biologically correct. All organic matter is clusters of cells. Doesn't make it less human.
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Pretty Mariam My parents created me. Why does there have to be a creator? How do you know the world hasn't always existed? Calling atheists stupid for simply questioning something you can't prove makes you look moronic.
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Culture and population. Oh and by the way, why are we just focusing on gun crime? The UK's knife crime rates have been rising every year, and so has its homicide rate, whereas the US has been falling.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x It isn't, any more than going out for a drive is consent for an accident to occur. I am all for abstinence if able. I am on board with protected sex, and think it needs to be talked about more. You can have a condom and still get said STD.
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Shishter Shishtar If they're truly pro life and not hypocrites, yeah. But most pro life make an exception for rape.
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Except they aren't. In fact, we don't even use the word psychopath anymore. Most murders aren't even 1st degree. They're 2nd. Have you even tried? Tried to listen and see things from all perspectives? I understand why you'd feel this way, but part of understanding is looking at a perspective we don't agree with. The only purpose of the death penalty is to enact revenge on people. That gets you nothing. Except maybe temporary satisfaction. If that's what you consider justice, perhaps you are the one who lacks empathy. You may say that now, but that may not be how you feel when the time comes.
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The point of any debate is never to change the opposing side. Its to open up a dialogue so that people who watch the debate who don't have a stance on the issue can decide for themselves.
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@TomCL-vb6xc I don't really care if you find it appropriate. If the Bible is God's word and it matters so much, then a woman is property and cannot do anything without the approval of her husband or father. I was simply proving a hypocritcal point. If you're trying to take away my rights, I will insult you.
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@TomCL-vb6xc People like this? Yeah it is a waste of time. Someone like Syd who's entirely uneducated on the topic of abortion will never change her mindset. Its called cognitive dissonance.
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But criminals do have guns. So why shouldn't I?
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@whyaskwhybuddry Personally, I define a person as an individual with feelings who is a moral agent. A being capable of thought and emotion. I draw the line at sentience, and that I believe, is a more appropriate line than just life. Also, brain degradation doesn't mean you loose your personhood. That's a ridiculous notion. Someone who was brain dead? Sure. But someone who was simply deteriorating? No.
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Imagine not knowing that you can use protection...and still get pregnant.
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Good thing your opinion only matters to your own life. Isnt it nice how you have the CHOICE NOT to have an abortion? How would you like that choice infringed upon? Most fetuses are aborted in the first trimester, between 6 and 8 weeks. They have no brainstem, and are unable to comprehend anything. They lack sentience. Most abortions are also not performed surgically. They're aborted with drugs and then induced, just as you would a miscarriage.
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That's not what that word means.
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Because condoms are 100% effective right?
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@juliastolowska8760 Efficient enough? According to who? Studies disagree with you on that. How about this. Have sex in a healthy way and use whatever you want to prevent pr terminate pregnancy.
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@issuesthatmatter2825 Even assuming that every abortion is the result of consenting sex (which it isn't), consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy. So yes, you would be forcing a woman to give birth. And stop with the whole "abortion is convenient". It's not.
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Yes. Say no to a person's right to choose what happens to their body. How about we drag you into an operating room then? I don't feel like being on dialysis anymore and need a kidney.
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No. No its not. Please stop trying to define morality using legal terms.
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Hows that knife wound and 7 hour ER wait?
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@mariopellegrino7661 Regardless if its rare, it happens. No vaccine should be mandatory, but all vaccines should be taken if capable. Thank you.
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Yep.
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You don't dehumanize it by calling it what it is. I'm perfectly fine admitting that abortion is terminating the development of a fetus and ending its life. That doesn't make it a child. Its potential for a child and is the lesser of two evils. Pro-choice gives you all thenoptions pro-life does. Its not like you must get an abortion.
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@Jack Daniels Unlawful literally means "against the law" which abortion is not. Nor is a fetus considered a human under the law, even if it is biologically.
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That's very vague and quite a slippery slope.
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So only some people should have a right to their own organs hmm?
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@Dwboutit It doesn't matter. If you outlaw abortions, you would have to outlaw all abortions. Adoption is not always free or an option.
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I'm poly and have two children. I fail to see how its impossible.
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Atheists simply don't believe in God. There are plenty of natural theories that have not been ruled out as possibilities. Abiogenesis and evolution for instance.
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IssyFishyy And why is that? By the way, the Big Bang as well call it didn't create the universe. It just expanded it.
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I mean...to be fair...if you're playing in traffic and get hit, then it IS your fault.
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@NiixYT As a vegan, someone who is THAT extreme about veganism would definitely have gotten vegan alternatives...
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And you also hear about pro-choicers being assaulted as well. That shouldn't be a factor.
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@matt1325 But that's just your opinion. Had I had the choice to see what my life would be, I would absolutely have chosen to be aborted. Abortion is not equivalent to child abuse. Child abuse does affect you, even if its not your child.
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Then your viewpoint is wrong. Cheating and polyamory is not the same thing, nor is it impossible to be committed. I'm more commited to my husband and partner than the majority of "monogamous" people. There is no line between lust and love. You're just uneducated about polyamory.
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Eh. Not really. Its probably healthier, since you know. Grass really has no nutrients for people.
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But you also know you're being disingenuous. No one is talking about those who do not take vaccines because of medical or religious reasons. We are speaking to those who refuse the vaccine because of false claims about it, though I still think they have a right to not be vaccinated.
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Argument from emotion fallacy. Stay away from the justice system.
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@chouaibsasmr I work in the justice system. Give me a valid, non-emotional reason for capital punishment. Here are some against: More expensive than a life sentence, not a deterrent, doesn't lower violent crime, no risk of executing innocents. Tell me what logic the death penalty provides.
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Generalizing is a joke.
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@nilajaaaandreaaa8916 I never said I did. Where are you getting that?
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Killastrike God is also apparently omnipotent, and this cannot co-exist with free will.
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Probably because those atheists are not in fact atheists, but are anti theists.
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As a Med student, a whole year was spent on pharmacology and vaccines. They know what they're talking about. I agree that honest doctors will admit they don't have all the answers. But the evidence is clear
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@scottpe6226 I'm not even going for traditional medicine so I HAD one year. A few of my friends had 10 semesters of pharmacology classes. Its more of a pharmacists job to be informed with vaccine safety since they supply the vaccines. But I agree doctors should be as informed as they can
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Funny, considering "sin" only exists in the concept of a religion, and the Bible is certainly not against abortions.
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They aren't disrespecting him because of what he believes. Their eye rolling because he came and acted like an ass. Not a great way to make a first impression. He acted like an asshole. An unintelligent asshole who was rude and obnoxious. The fact that you defend that behavior is strange. Debates aren't there to argue. A disagreement doesn't have to be an argument.
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Depends on how literally they take the Bible, since the Bible is by no means against abortion.
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@blueskybluesky3496 It also has commands about slaughtering people. That's why its an issue. Its contradictory.
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@mrpadillaofficial Not on a objective level no. I can say his subjective morality had a negative effect on an objective goal, but there is nothing naturally that says rape is wrong. That's a social ideology.
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@mrpadillaofficial No and that isn't what I said. No social ideology says rape is okay, because it damages the point of secularism in the first place. But you know what DOES condone rape? Your Bible.
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@friskyrick4008 No, because that has already been proved to be biased. Crowder deliberately sought out shows that do not allow private sales, so that law wouldn't be applied.
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The best way to do that is to abolish the death penalty. It provides no practical benefit to society.
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Why do you assume they aren't using protection? Also...no? You would not see accidental pregnancy go down. You'd just see an end to safe abortions.
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@amayatheeyapper As if the end goal of sex is pregnancy. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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No atheist I know claims to know there is no God. They simply don't believe in one.
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@Orinoco Flow When you flunk a biology and A&P course, you'll know why.
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Interesting how you believe that all of us are happy we were born. Ever consider that spme of us would have taken abortion?
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Someone obviously doesn't know what the difference is between killing and murder.
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The amendment was formed to protect citizens rights to form militias should the government try to become a dictatorship.
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Ah, the myth that death convicts feel no pain.
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@palomoarredondo2323 A pathologist, also called a medical examiner, is a medical doctor who works with the dead. Technically, I'm still an assistant, as I have not quite finished my rotation. You can call me a liar if you want, but I'm proud of the work I do. Graduated from medical school in 2016, and am finishing up my last year of training.
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@philsteinberg6985 The only vaccine video I have ever commented on is this one. I would love to know what lies I have been spreading.
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That would be pro-choice.
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And you are just as wrong as he is. The definition of an atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God. An agnostic is a person who claims the knowledge of God's existence is unknowable. These aren't exclusive terms.
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Depends on what you mean as inconvenient. I could argue many abused children that are put up for adoption were because of "inconvenience". Why do people think death is the worst thing in the world?
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IssyFishyy No one is killing a baby. Baby is post utero. Killing a fetus? Sure. Killing a human? Technically yes. Your rights are just as important.
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How about everyone DOES what makes them HAPPY when it doesn't hurt anyone?
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@thewolverine9062 That sounds like jealousy that other people have more than you. How it greedy dor people to be happy?
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@rattlingduck8454 Then that just kinda makes you a bigoted prick now doesn't it? It's fine if you don't want to be in a polyamorous relationship. But that doesn't mean the relationship isn't valid.
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And thats considering NO ONE has died from the flu shot.
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Yet another addition to the pro-life liars.
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But it isn't true so....
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Lol. You don't have to be liberal to support the choice for abortion. Try thinking about quality yeah?
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@susansanborn5686 If it was death upon children, which its not. Its termination of a non sentient fetus. Take a biology class.
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Snow Flake Keep pretending abortion isn't taking responsibility. You know what's irresponsible? Birthing a child you then have to neglect because you cannot care for it.
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Jay P If your argument is that "fortified stuff" is supplementation, then everyone supplements. Because most foods are fortified, vegan or otherwise. Sure, the EASIEST way would be to take pills, but thats not something you have to do. You can simply compliment your food. I don't need a solid plan either. Its easy for me and becomes routine after a while. Being vegan is not unnatural, but it is different than our ancestors. But you say that as if its a bad thing when it isn't. You're not at any risk for malnutrition or neurological issues if you do a vegan diet correctly. This is why its important to talk to medical professionals when choosing a diet. I live below the poverty line, am vegan, and do not take supplements. But I choose to do it for health reasons, because meat for me was incredibly unhealthy. But my diet does not work for everyone. Again, if you're doing the diet correctly, you do not need supplementation. Need equates a necessity, which is something meat is not. I can live a perfectly healthy and normal life without meat and without pills.
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Nobody, monogamous or polyamorous, doesn't find other people attractive just because they are in a relationship. Just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean you're in love with them. By the way, you can be in love and dedicated to multiple partners.
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Sky's the limit Sex is a natural human reaction. The human body wants to have sex. I think it's selfish to force a woman who is unable to physically, emotionally, or financially handle a child. Your life is not inherently valuable. Guess what? It is an option. Because some people actually can see consequences from all aspects.
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Right about what?
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@categories5066 I would argue he want right about anything. He just spouted off his beliefs as fact
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You shouldn't. Go to court and voluntarily terminate your rights.
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Because it doesn't. And this has been proven. The "deterrence" only comes from people who would have never done it in the first place. Death isn't scary to most criminals. They have nothing to lose. If it were true that the death penalty deterred crime, than states and countries with a death penalty would have lower crime rates. This isn't true. You should really do some research.
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Slenderman Zavala A fetus that is not sentient doesn't care about rights. Focus on quality of life, not whether or not it's born
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@jiujitsu1129 All 3 guns I own have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check. Because there is no background check required on private sales, and all my guns were purchased from non dealers.
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@LazyKingAus Not true. States only require a background check if you are buying the gun from an FFL licensed dealer. As of January 10th, 35 of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales.
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@LazyKingAus You do not have to be a licensed dealer to sell at shows. You do need one to sell at a store, as they are mandated by federal law. Background checks are not required for private sales. I have never had a background check on any of my guns.
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I'm pro-choice. Wanna talk? See most are respectful and reasonable.
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No, he wasn't
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Lol no not in the slightest. When your only argument is "muh religion" you've got no ground to stand on.
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Telling people to not have sex doesn't work.
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The fact that people believe that life is inherently valuable is puzzling to me. Also, on what planet is abortion convient?
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They will always be the biological father. They don't have the be the legal father.
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You don't get the option to just leave the marriage if you are following the Bible. Also...God sounds like a prick then.
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Yes...because protection is 100% effective right? Oh wait...
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wow Agnosticism is not a religion and not a stand alone claim. Everyone is, or should be agnostic. If you believe in a god, but don't know if one exists, you are an agnostic theist. If you don't believe in a god, but you don't know if one exists, you are an agnostic atheist.
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Morals huh? Then shouldn't you be out killing the non believers and heathens as the Bible commands you to? Because that's such a strong sense of morality.
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Vaxxed is not a documentary. Its conspiracy theory nonsense.
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The ethical issue isn't life. Its sentience and the hypocrisy of the animal hierarchy.
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That sounds like projection. I think you can be attractive no matter your preferences.
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Yes. Deter means to discourage someone from doing something by instilling doubt or fear of the consequences.
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@travisjohnson7065 Fetus. Not baby. And actually, a fetus has no legal rights until personhood is established, which is why we make cut off dates for abortion (though even I think they should be lower than they currently are). You have a right to life only because the country you live in says you do. Not because its a natural right. You don't get control over another person's uterus.
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@Eddie Davies The fetus has no rights until a set point. We can debate all day about the morality of that.
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@PeaceToUsAll Knowledge and belief are two seperate things. If you cannot say you believe, you hold a disbelief. You cannot be neutral on that. Thats paradoxical. "I cannot be sure whether or not a God exists, but I do not believe in one" would be the position of an agnostic atheist.
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@Burgerman1171 No, I don't know God exists, nor do I believe in one.
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@hunterhuie1550 You call it killing. Murder does not always equate to killing. The McDonalds you had for lunch cared more about its death than an aborted fetus.
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Abortion rates actually went down the last few years, though they are elevated. You know whats irresponsible? Forcing an unfit mother to give birth to a child you know she cannot care for. By the way, I recommend you get educated on the difference between "killing" and "murder".
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@parthenon5106 "No one is forcing anyone to give birth" How is trying to make abortion illegal NOT forcing people to give birth? Also, sex is not just about creating life. Because a fetus has no legal rights until a certain point. It lack sentience. Also, no its not murder, because its not unlawful.
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@finalbossoftheinternet6002 It just depends on the person. Your comment stated that no child rapist can be rehabilitated. That just isn't factual. Some can and some cannot.
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@christianjilwan8817 Well, your morality is subjective. Personhood only comes from sentience. Value of human life depends on who you're asking. I don't think life has inherent value. Yes, your right. A person who is in a coma because they are brain dead do lack personhood. That is why it is not illegal to take them off life support. That's why hospitals have slow codes. They will deliberately not help someone they know they can't save.
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@christianjilwan8817 No, I wouldn't agree that killing someone is objectively morally wrong. Because I can think of several instances that killing is justified. Objective morality does not exist. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Now subjective morality can apply to an objective moral framework, but the morality is still subjective. Actually, the definition of a comatose is someone who is in unconsciousness for an indefinite or prolonged period of time. It is up to the next of kin whether or not to continue treatment, unless otherwise stated in a will. I'm assuming you are referring to a medically induced coma, and that is also up to the next of kin. I do not think you know how the law works.
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@shawnboahene5231 Are you vegan? Are you anti-gun? Are you against the death penalty? I find very few pro-lifers who are these things, in which case no. You don't care about life. You care about sentience, humanity and innocence. Which is perfectly fine. Just be honest about it. Yes, I would seek justice, but the reason has nothing to do with the fact that they were alive. It has to do with the fact that they were sentient, capable of feeling and experiencing. That is the problem with the abortion debate. You claim its about life. I claim its about sentience.
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Also remember Death sentences cost MORE money!!
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Lizzie Allen Well, considering your God is very pro-choice, I don't think he would care.
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A fetus literally is the property of the mother. It does not exist without using her organs. Period.
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@neildodd1319 Yes it can. Of its mother it can. Someone else could take care of it. A fetus depends on the organ of another person. The person who's organ is used has say in what happens with it.
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@Humanity Galatica Is that what you think? Or is that what you are trying to extrapolate from what I said?
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The hate comes from the fact that they place blame on vaccines where there may be none. Instead of even considering that it might be qnything else, they jump straight to vaccines. And they encourage others to not get vaccinated, which is harmful.
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Bottom line. You're a liar who tries to use dishonesty and emotions to guilt people.
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As a poly woman, I assure you, I am the happiest I have ever been.
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Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms. An atheist does not claim there is no God. Thats an anti-theist. Atheists lack a belief in God. She is agnostic, but she's also atheist. Thats why he was wrong.
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@ab-js2gw Because they have no brain, therefore cannot be sentient.
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Not if the sale is private.
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Then you aren't pro life if you would make exceptions. Pro life is against abortion in any circumstances.
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Your emotions are yours alone. No one elses. Having an abortion does not impact you medically. Its a safe procrdure.
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@ethanm.2411 Again, that's my right as a woman. I don't owe a fetus my uterus.
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@joe2times381 Its not someone else's. A fetus is attached to me.
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Because it isnt a fact. A fact is something that can be proven. I dont care what your age is. Dont expect to be treated with respect when you give none.
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It's being in love and pursing a physical relationship with more than one person.
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@ratofvengence Of course. I may disagree, but I can perfectly understand the other side. I don't wanna see more people die.
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Do you consider that a good or a bad thing?
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And I can have and share love without the need for a genocidal sky daddy.
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@Ankh You really like pushing your rhetoric huh?
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IssyFishyy You would have to believe life is inherently valuable. Which it isn't.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No it isn't. Inherent means something your born with. In nature, value means nothing. You only have value because other people and yourself place that term on you. We evolved to exist here. The world didn't change to suit us. We changed with it. And without us, nothing is lost or gained. We got lucky on the fusion of chromosome 2. That's why our intelligence can be as high as it is. But being smart doesn't make you valuable. It may be pessimistic to you. Its just honesty to me
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@Humanity Galatica I wouldn't argue that's a good thing, and we're not really that powerful. We're easily corrupted and die pathetically.
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IssyFishyy I'm neither a nihilist nor an anarchist. I'm a realist. Nature does not care if you live or die. Period. You have value to yourself only if you can comprehend the concept and to other based on how you shape their lives. Its prescriptive. Not descriptive.
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@bobspizza7444 Sure it is. As long as you can pay for it. You literally just walk into the courthouse. No, she doesn't. She just has to go to a clinic and pay out of pocket for an abortion. That is fair. If she doesn't want the child, there are options she has. If you don't want to pay for the child, there are options you have. How is that not fair? If you have a child, you DO get a tax break. BOTH parents do. Even if you break up, you still claim the child on your taxes. You HAVE to. If you choose not to be parent, then don't be a parent. You still get tax breaks even if you are not involved in the childs life. Unless of course you're committing tax fraud.
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Polar bears are sentient. Fetuses are not. And I doubt only pro-choicers would protest.
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@BLane-xr1ic No one would care if a polar bear got an abortion.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I don't believe anyone would care.
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Not true. No one has inherent value. You're value is subjective based on yourself and the people around you. Welcome to reality.
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That isn't the vaccines fault. I was vaccinated but have an autoimmune disorder and an immunodeficiency. I get sick no matter what comes. Its just the way my body is. Vaccines can boost your immune system and train your body to respond should that disease come, but it is not a preventative.
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@michaelanderson9914 There's a large list. Let's name some of the worst. Tetnus Rubella Meningitis Polio West Nile
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Because religion is toxic and causes people to do horrible things. You're probably confusing spirituality and religion.
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Procreation is not the only point of sex. Thats the issue. Its a function of sex, but its not its only purpose. You do realize protection fails, right?
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@lillyana3681 It is for procreation. But its also for damage control, stress relief, and pleasure. Sex has more than one biological function, even though procreation is the main one. That doesn't negate one's right to an abortion.
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You would first have to prove to me a God existed. And assuming your Christian, I would say "hey, your book is certainly not against abortion. Pick a side".
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No one is pro-abortion. If you feel a murderous rage toward people who are pro-choice, you should probably see a psychiatrist.
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Actually, by the doctrine we can. The animals that are found in crude oil were not killed to make it. They died on their own. Veganism (as a moral standing) is more about unnecessarily using animals where they are killed or harmed specifically for a use when you have alternatives.
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Fetuses do not have rights. Just because you were lucky enough to get a happy life doesn't mean all of us were.
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@Beardsman Not most Christians. Just most fundamentalists. And I can only speak from personal experince.
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Sure. You gonna pay for the move?
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Its almost as if they want the rights to their own bodies as well are are much more disenfranchised economically. Imagine...
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You realize you pay more to execute, right?
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@br1annaaaaaa Because you don't get the right to use a person's body without their consent. A fetus is property. No different than chattle.
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@br1annaaaaaa Dead. Because if you're developing in the stomach, that's an ectpoic pregnancy. You are a human fetus in utero.
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@br1annaaaaaa If its in the stomach, it would be. The uterus is not the stomach. Your lack of anatomy is outstanding.
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@br1annaaaaaa Because the fetus is property. The only one who can give consent is the mother.
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Really? I thought the Bible was the word of God. If that's true, her father was absolutely correct. Not only would she not be allowed to divorce her husband, if she did and got remarried, that is adultry. The punishment for which is death. If God is never changing and is loving and forgiving, you must then admit that most of the Bible is simply metaphorical and only applicable at the time of which it was written. So which is it?
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Adoption is certainly an option to be considered but it is NOT always an option. People are turned away, its not always free, and it doesn't guarantee a happy life. There are way more children in the system than there are parents to care for them.
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@cooldude3764 Dude, he literally said the same thing I did. I am in no way anti-gun. But to spread misinformation for our argument is damaging.
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Gender has has to do with sociology and psychology. Not really biology.
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Seizures suck, but they aren't usually life threatening.
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@criticclips1560 Why? Because its a concept you don't understand? By the way, just because in an atheistic viewpoint there is no ULTIMATE meaning does not mean life has no purpose.
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@criticclips1560 You don't prove philosophical concepts any more than you "prove" science. You prove things in math. I apply skepticism to supernatural claims. Logic, as a concept, is a product of intelligence. You can see that on a brain scan. Your strawman is laughable. Your statement was "by your worldview, nothing has meaning". That is a lie. Nihilism is not atheism. Those two concepts have nothing to do with each other. Nihilism is the belief that life is meaningless. There are plenty of atheists, myself included, who find meaning in life.
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@ET-xc2bn No problem. Glad to help.
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Thats how a few men feel. But a vast majority of abortions occur because the man walks out.
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And the problem with that is having that stance is anti-woman's rights. You are taking away a right to her organ and placing a fetuses life above hers, which grants it extra rights.
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IssyFishyy You are actually, because you are giving the fetus the right to life and taking away her right to liberty.
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IssyFishyy Putting the infant up for adoption doesn't matter. From the time she finds she's pregnant, the fetus is using her body. She has a right to her own uterus and what it is used for. Even if we granted personhood to the fetus. Being pregnant against one's will violates one's liberty.
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IssyFishyy She is. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, no matter how much you argue against that. It doesn't matter if she knew the consequences. You don't consent to a fetus using your organ? You have a right to deal with it as you see fit.
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IssyFishyy Except its not. Just because I consent to sleep with you doesn't mean I consent for a fertilized embryo to attach to me. Doesn't matter what I was aware of during sex. Sex and implantation are two SEPERATE occurances.
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@oookoshka3734 It's not hypocrisy if you do not believe life has inherent value.
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And then the Bible advocates to throw babies against stones and rip open the wombs of pregnant women. How sacred.
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A fetus has no rights and even if it did (and should) its rights would be equal to the mother.
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eva Lol no he wasnt. He said she was not an atheist, when she is. She's an agnostic atheist, as most atheists are.
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eva Agnostisim is a knowledge claim based on whether or not a god is known. Everyone is, or should be agnostic. You can be both an agnostic and an atheist, and an agnostic and a theist. One is knowledge. The other is belief. She was arguing against him because he said she was not an atheist. In that instance, he was wrong. She is an atheist. She shouldn't have to say she's agnostic because everyone should be agnostic.
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Krystal Mayes i would argue no, because it's a non sentient fetus. We have no problem killing animals for food that have sentience, or bugs because we don't like them, which also have sentience. I doubt anyone has an abortion, at least in a majority of cases, because the fetuses life is not valuable. It's because they cannot care for another sentient being,.
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Krystal Mayes No of course. I don't believe in calling names. I can totally understand why you wouldn't want abortions to happen. I wish they didn't either. You've been very respectful. It was nice not to just be called a baby killing murderer.
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Thats not the argument.
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It's not a gun shop. It's a gun show. If you buy a gun from a civilian (i.e. not a FFL licensed dealer) then there is no background check in most states. By the way, some states do not require any license to open carry. Indiana is one of them. Unless you wish to carry a handgun. But there is no license to open carry a rifle or shotgun.
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Because no one murders a child. And frankly, a fetus doesn't care if its aborted. It lacks the capability to care.
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I really hope you're joking.
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No, its not. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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When you are threatened with eternal hellfire because you do something against a supposed all loving being, that is absolutely grounds for questioning that authority. I find religious people lacking in respect, humility and discipline. I'd be careful using the term "delusion". You believe in an unprovable man in the sky.
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@IssyFishyy A sin is only an offense to God. Sin has no meaning in a secular world. Has nothing to do with society. How do you know how to read the Bible? 4000 different denominations can't seem to agree on how its supposed to be interpreted. If God was truly loving and forgiving, he wouldn't need to sacrifice anything. He would simply just forgive. But he can't. Because if this God exists, he's a petty brat who damns people if he doesn't get his way. That trauma is still finite. Its not eternal. So the point still stands.
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@IssyFishyy There is no right or wrong objectively on its own. Outside of any rules, these words have no meaning. Right and wrong as terms have nothing to do with "sin". The word "sin" only refers to what your specific deity says is wrong. You can't "read the Bible correctly" because you do not know how it was meant to be read. You can claim to know, but literally everyone else of a different denomination claims the same. God hasn't forgiven us if sin still exists. Sin is "against his rules". Rules that aren't even clearly fleshed out and are constantly contradicted. That is still finite. Once you die, you are physically unable to feel trauma. Everyone probably has some form of it, some worse than others. The people who caused that trauma are still not worthy of eternal punishment.
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@Sick Politics I never said he wasn't real. I don't know if he is real. But if he promotes things like rape, genocide and slavery, then he's a monster who is unworthy of any kind of attention.
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@piabarbieri6539 The last person to die of a measles complication was in 2015 in the United States.
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You clearly have no idea what an agnostic and an atheist is. These as are not mutually exclusive terms, and the word "agnostic" is a useless term. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@kokokoala7338 She stated multiple times that she did not believe in a God. Never did she say I believe there is no God. Disbelief is not the same as believing a negative. Shes an agnostic atheist
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@kokokoala7338 Also, yes there is. A person who does not believe in God but does not know for certain whether or not a God exists is an agnostic atheist. Most atheists are agnostic. That is what she was saying.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You obviously know what they're referring to, so yes. Abortions are safe.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You're now being dishonest, because you know the OC meant for the woman. Quit pretending life is so precious to you. You're not vegan, you're probably not anti-gun or anti-capital punishment. You're not against slow codes and DNR's.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Now you're just a liar, because I have previous posts of you saying the exact opposite of what you just told me. By the way, DNR's are not always voluntary and are sometimes made by family members who did not know what the person wanted. Let me ask you something seriously. Are you against physician assisted suicide?
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@blaecccuebbler7711 The reason I asked that question is because I assume your pro-life. You do realize that being pro-life is also against euthanasia right? Several comments here have a differing opinion to what you just said. If you, however, really ARE all these things, then I don't personally know how you cope with life.
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Are you pro-life? Or pro-life only if its convenient?
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Adoption is not an answer to unwanted pregnancy. And only giving the child to the state is free. The foster care system is broken, and rarely do children only ever get one family.
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Yes...because its disgusting for people to stand up for their rights.
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@Humanity Galatica Could you stop lying?
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There is no such thing as a "lukewarm Christian." You are either a Christian or you aren't. And believe me, we hate the non "lukewarm" a hell of a lot more.
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Hahaha. Facts. Yeah, good one.
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The only way to 100% prevent pregnancy is to abstain from sex, and that goes against nature. Sure, there are origanizations who can help, but they're not always free or available. Adoption is absolutely broken, and I know children that would rather die than go back into the system. This is not black and white.
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Fetuses are property. They are not "someone" until long after most abortions take place.
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Except its not. Because pro-abortion implies that the default to pregnancy is abortion. How about saying anti-choice and pro-choice? Same thing. There's a reason its called pro-choice. Because it provides OPTIONS. Not JUST abortion.
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@TheMityquin Not a liberal, but we don't say it because it's an incorrect term. Pro-choice gives women that option too. Except it also gives them the right to their bodies that they're entitled to.
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Agnostic is not a middle ground. Agnostic is someone who does not know whether or not a God exists. This should apply to everyone.
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And we all know how much that work. Preaching abstinence doesn't stop people from having sex. Its just not effective
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You love being a manipulative liar.
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Mercury is not used in vaccines. Some live strains of the flu vaccine uses thimerosal, which is a mercury compund. Its a type lf ethylmercury, which is HARMLESS to humans. Methylmercury is toxic in high enough doses. Autism is genetic. If you are autistic, you will have it from birth.
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@K4rm4ness No, you will not, unless you broke state laws when selling to them privately (i.e. selling them to a minor/selling them to a known felon.) Once that gun leaves your hands legally, so does any responsibility of what is done with it.
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@lescobrandon8443 Most states do not perform gun registration. And no, thats also not how the law works. Most people, even though not necessary, will keep either a bill of sale or copy of the buyer's license. Private sales are legitimate sales.
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And why not? I'm poly, and my children are perfectly happy and normal. Its not about being poly or mono. Its about stability.
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Prove it.
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@baddust7187 Except murder is a legal term. Now, if you come from a country where abortion is outlawed, and that country recongizes an unborn fetus as a person, then yes. It would be murder. That is not the case here. For the US at least. Therefore, here, abortion isn't murder.
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@baddust7187 The unborn aren't babies.
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@baddust7187 Then are you a vegan? That's life. You can't live without taking life.
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@izzyherschell7611 Then that is entirely because of where you live. I also want to clarify that they very much may do a background check. They are just not required to.
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Because its that easy and monetary status can't just suddenly change overnight, right? Oh wait.
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What you perceive as negativity I perceive as realism.
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I work a full time atypical job, sometimes requiring me to work up to 16 hours, and I'm polyamorous. Its almost like you build those relationships together.
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Mathilde Young Animals are sentient creatures. A fetus until a certain point is not. Bug difference.
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Mathilde Young Seriously? You're comparing sentience to race and religion? That's beyond ridiculous. The damn child wouldn't have fallen in the gorilla cage if the fucking parents had been watching it. Nor did the gorilla start attacking the child. Your life does not have intrinsic value, and abortion will never be made illegal in the US, because we're not a totally ass backwards country.
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Mathilde Young That is not a fact. That is an opinion. Ever think that many women Do? Just because you go to a resource center does not mean you will get any help. Adoption agencies have been turning children away in the last few years because they don't have the room. And giving them to an adoption agency doesn't mean they'll be adopted. It's sad that you can't get perspective
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@saradanser894 Unique: being the only one of its kind; unlike anything else. Your code is a combination of your mothers and fathers. That is not unique. By the way, if you're only a vegatarian, you still harm animals, as you buy and use animal products and still consume dairy and eggs.
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@TheYagga Sentience means the ability to think and feel subjectively. Plants do not do that. They have no brain.
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@TheYagga I never said plants weren't living. They certainly are, and they respond chemically to outside stimuli. Its not an assumption. Its a fact. The ability to be aware and feel pain depend on a brain and a nervous system. Personally, I'm not a vegan for moral reasons. I'm vegan because its healthier.
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There is no reason for us to have a death penalty.
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Anything can be used as a weapon. You cant ban all weapons. That's physically impossible. Actually, crime rates are higher where guns are more restrictive.
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Thats a geographic thing. It is absolutely cheaper to be vegan where I live. Sorry that you don't have access.
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@squidiirue9365 Absolutely. I as a vegan, do not claim that extremist.
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The problem with that is there is no research to be done, because there is no proof.
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@josephtreydunn4836 If God does come back, I'll gladly believe in him. Until then, I'll continue believing things that have evidence.
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@aheartonfire7191 Circular reasoning. The Bible is not any more proof for a Gods existence than any other religious holy book. There isnt any evidence, or everyone would be one religion. The only one being biased is you, because you try to justify your preconceived beliefs. I make no claims of truth. Once again, that's you doing that.
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You people should really look up the definitions of words. You don't get to change them because you think something is icky.
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@what6233 That's because vaccines weaken the immune system temporarily. I'm not concerned because I know why it happens. You cannot get the flu from the vaccine. It's a dead virus. However, it does compromise the immune system. Being unvaccinated makes you more likely to develop severe side effects from the disease the vaccine was developed for, because your body has not had a chance to build up antibodies. No one dies from the flu. You can, however, or a secondary infection caused by the flu, especially if you are already sick, very young, very old, or immuno-compromised. The most common cause of death is pneumonia. Again, the flu mutates easily, and a vaccine may not be able to protect you should you get a strain that is new. I don't believe you understand how vaccines or mutations work.
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So is stepping on a bug or not being vegan. Your point?
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@GravityFailure Medicaid is not only not accepted by all providers, not everyone meets the requirments for it.
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@GravityFailure No, I understand they are not cheap. But they're cheaper than a doctor's appointment. I am an advocate for a person to have complete bodily autonomy.
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He should. He just has no ultimate say. Not speaking of trans men, he is not the one who's body is being used. It is not his rights in question.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Yeah so what?
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@Emmie-p8x No, because it isn't murder.
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@Emmie-p8x Because murder is a legal term, and abortion does not fit its definition. Killing? Yes. Murder? No.
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@mathildeyoung1823 If thats what the mother thinks is best for her situation, then yes. I support that decision. So long as its made carefully and she has full knowledge of all other possibilities.
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@Emmie-p8x A fetus is not a child. No child is killed during an abortion. A potential life is terminated. It is not inhumane to have an abortion when the fetus is unable to feel or experience.
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RafaelTopgunStudios Because he clearly doesn't know what an atheist is, because he had no reason to correct her. She stated multiple times she doesn't believe in a God, which makes her an atheist. Most atheists are also agnostic, but just calling her an agnostic is ridiculous.
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She denied being an agnostic INSTEAD of an atheist, moron. Because she's both. As most people are. Learn to listen.
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IssyFishyy Probably the same way most of us converted. The disgusting acts of the Bible, especially in the Old Testament, and the stories that simply don't line up with the evidence in reality.
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@catherineb5441 You're both incorrect actually. Getting a background check at a show depends on where you live and who you are buying from. Private sellers often sell at shows, and are under no obligation to provide background checks in a majority of states.
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The issue is people not putting the trust in people who go to school for 10+ years to help you. All medicine can have side effects, and they need to be taken seriously. The risk vs reward system also needs to be taken seriously, and misinformation concerning vaccines HAS to stop.
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@travisjohnson7065 That is straight up coming from someone who had an entirely privileged life. Because I almost guarantee you would not feel that way if you actually were in or talked to anyone in foster care for a prolonged period of time. Way to be a condescending asshole to the people who wish they had been aborted.
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@haza123b4 Inherently? Nothing. Secularly? A lot. We would drive our country into the ground if we allowed retaliation for revenge.
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@haza123b4 I'm not against capital punishment for any moral reasons. Morality is subjective. I'm against capital punishment for practical reasons.
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@amanabookclub4198 Glad you have respect for people that literally can and do cause harm to other people.
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@arthurz3808 And I find that statement incredibly ridiculous. Sure, they could have grown up to be the cure to cancer. They also could have grown up to be the next Ted Bundy. Which of those outcomes is statistically more likely? I certainly know I would have asked to have been aborted.
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@JohnJohn-yp5vp Non-sequitar: a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement. You, in fact, did not use non-sequitar correctly, as the car accident statement does indeed logically follow the previous statement. They were comparing the ridiculousness.
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Abortion is not murder. Neither science nor the law is on your side with that one.
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Why? Because we love who we want?
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@arwinbg8342 Except that's not true. You can commit to multiple people. Commitment: the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
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Not really, though it isnt a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows not requiring a background check.
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@AJ-lm5dl Being conscious is not the same thing as being sentient.
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@AJ-lm5dl No, they aren't. Conciousness in the context is being awake and aware of one's surroundings. You can be sentient (the ability to think and feel and have experience) and not be conscious. Why don't you pick up a dictionary?
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@hello-sz7hp Stop lying and calling a fetus a baby and no thank you. I have no desire to strip rights away from people.
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What facts? He had no facts. He had baseless beliefs. Its not immature to not accept a business card from someone who was a condescending asshole to you. Period. Atheism has nothing to do with emotions. I get emotion when unintelligent and uninformed people act condescendingly towards me when I try to debate or talk to them. And no, the old man wasn't right. She was an atheist. She was also an agnostic. Everyone should be agnostic. Its a redundant term colloquially.
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@anosh88 I absolutely disagree. I don't care how old he is. If you are snarky and condescending to someone, expect the same treatment in return. In terms of beliefs, Christians had their vaild points. It doesn't detract from the condescending nature of their attitudes towards people with different viewpoints. The only one claiming to know truth is you. Thats everything your God stands for. I'm open to the idea that I may be wrong. But you aren't. Atheism is not a religion. Its a lack of belief in a God or Gods. It can't be a religion, because it doesn't fit the definition. Its not a neutral position. Its a stance on the belief in a God. People promote the idea of atheism because it allows people to decide for themselves instead of being bound by the arbitrary rules of a deity. I never said Christians were annoying or unintelligent. SOME are. But people of all backgrounds are like that. I can't ignore them. They try and influence my life.
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I mean unless you're actually being honest. Then its not murder.
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Perhaps in your opinion. That should not dictate the law.
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Different people have different understandings of scripture, and your scripture certainly isn't truth. That old man wasn't speaking truth. He was equating his unsupported beliefs as truth.
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@JOSHUAloves1 So here's the thing. A "sin" is a crime or offense agaisnt God. I do not believe in God, therefore, I do not believe in sin. Sin does not exist to me. I don't want nor need God. I can be a good person without him
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@JOSHUAloves1 I was a Christian most of my life and have no intention of going back until your :creator" proves it exists.
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Except that isn't what the law said and was thoroughly debunked. That rumor was spread by a pro-life legal analyst. You can't have an abortion after birth. Abortion is termination of a pregnancy.
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@AJ-lm5dl A fetus is human is species alone until sentience is gained. That's where most draw the difference between "human" and "human being".
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Its literally not just Americans.
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@nenmaster5218 How is not being sexually attracted to anyone confused? We know polyamory is valid both on the fact that it works and by brain scans. Its amazing that we still live in an age where others think they should have control over who people love. I'm a polyamorous asexual. I'll be happy to answer any questions.
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Please look up thr definition of murder. And it is quite literally a medical procedure.
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Sin doesn't exist unless you're religious.
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@bradleymcdonald6273 You waste more valuable resources putting him to death. The death penalty is objectively more expensive. That is q fact. As far as torture, it's only torture if the convicted allows it to be. I agree that prison should focus more on rehabilitation, but there is no benefit to capital punishment.
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@nicolle7658 you know what else is written in the bible? Genocide, rape, and slavery. By the way, the devil and Lucifer are not the same being. The devil is the opponent to God. Lucifer is a fallen angel who opposes Michael.
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@_ryry11 You clearly never read the Bible. 1.Hajar(Hajera/Hagar)-She was the first woman who after having matrimonial relationships with the Father of Nations bore him his first child. To the birth of his first child,Abraham exclaimed in Hebrew:'God Listens!God Listens!'.Thus he was named Ismael (the Jews corrupted the word to Ishmael).Hajar was an Egyptian as the contemporary Pharaoh adopted her but by killing her biological father,King Tamzirah son of Prophet Salih and King of Maghreb.For her royal blood,the Prophet Muhammad who was a 62nd descendant of Ismael ,told his companions to behave with the Egyptians nicely.Ismael himself was fixed a wife from the nearby Jurham tribe by his mother .Soon Hajar died.Ismael adapted the language of Arabic from the Jurhamis who were descendants of Qahtan bin Abir(Joktan Ben Eber) ,who was given the Arabic language at the dispersion of languages.Ismael was told to be sacrificed by Abraham but it was only an emotional hard test but he succeeded in doing that only to be stopped by Jibril/Gabriel who replaced Ismael with a sheep.Ismael now arabised his name to Ismail from Hebrew.His father made him divorce his first wife and marry a second to whom he agreed.Ismael now Ismail after divorcing his first wife married three more wives who gave him:Nabit,Qedar,Abdillah,Mibush,Misma,Dumah,Massa,Timah,Yatur,Naphish,Haidar(ancestor of Muhammad,Kidman and Basimat.They settled in Syria,Jordan and Hejaz of Saudi Arabia.From them came the Adnanites or Arabized Arabs in contrast to Qahtanis or Pure Arabs. 2.Sarah/Sarai/Sara-She was the daughter of Tahwafita and Nakhur,brother of Abraham.She married Abraham at the first but was infertile. At very old age,she bore Ishaq or Ishak for she laughed and thus the baby was named Ishaq.She was the maternal cousin and paternal niece of Abraham. In her past years,because of her long time infertility,she bought Hajar from the Pharaoh and married her to Abraham.She died soon after her son was born. Her son bore Aish (Esau),he was the father of the Edomites and some Romans and Greeks and the prophets of Rome like Ayyub and Basyar(Dhul Kifl). And Yaqub(Israel),he was the father of the Israelites and thus to many prophets like Yusuf,Musa,Harun,Yusha,Hizqil,Ali,Samuil,Dawud,Sulayman,Ilyas,Alyasa,Irmiya, Danial,Uzair,Zakariyyah,Yahya,Asheya,Jerjous,Hayqouq and Isa. 3.Qantura(Keturah/Qatura)-She was the daughter of Yaqtan the Canaanite.She became the concubine and wife of Abraham upon God's command after Sarah's death. She bore him : Zemran(ancestor of Jeddah people),Madan(ancestor of West Jordanites),Median(ancestor of Prophet Shuayb ,East Jordanites,South Syrians and Southwest Iraqis),Dadan (ancestor of Northwest Arabians),Shuah(ancestor of South Syrians),Sarj,Nashaq and Ishbak(ancestor of South Iraqis and Eastern Jordanites). 4.Hajun-Fourth wife of Abraham according to Ibn Al Athir and Al Sahli.She was the daughter of Amin and bore the Father of Arabs,Jews,Romans and Mesopotamians : Kisaan,Sooraj,Amin,Loutan and Nafeis. Thus the Father of a Multitude had 4 wives and 15 children.
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@cadenjohnson1137 Bodily autonomy is a human right. Its called the right to liberty. Also abortion isn't murder. Read a dictionary.
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Because people would have gotten upset over the fact that the adoption system is beyond broken.
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@skrys2236 The fact that a majority of kids will never find good homes and the state funding for adoption is mediocre at best? Do you know anything about the state of the foster care system?
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@acemxe8472 Its literally not though. A fact is something that is proven. You have to have evidence for a god. Please, look up the word "fact"
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@acemxe8472 God has never been proven, and no scientist would call God a scientific fact. That's ridiculous. Believing in something doesn't make it real, just like disbelief in something doesn't make it not real. The FACT is, we don't know if a God exists, let alone WHICH God exists.
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@acemxe8472 How has God been proven be science? Please enlighten me. Ironically, you keep saying that when its your FEELINGS that God exists, which is NOT a fact. By the way, science doesn't prove things. You prove things in math. Science provides evidence to explain our reality. So what science is evidence of God, especially when most of the Bible has been shown to be FICTION?
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@acemxe8472 You're not giving me an answer, because you do not have one. If you talked to any scientist, they would tell you that the supernatural is by definition, unable to be fact. And no. Even most Christians understand that Adam and Eve is fiction. You would be a genetic bottleneck if we descended from 2 people. God is not a fact. I at this point think you're either a troll, brainwashed, or an actual moron.
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@acemxe8472 You never gave me any evidence to show that God is a scientific fact. You just stated that it is. So your statement means nothing. Follow your own advice. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@acemxe8472 You've given me no evidence. All you have said over and over again is "God is a fact". Yet when I ask for any evidence you just say that "the evidence for God is that God is a fact". Thats not an answer. Just admit you don't have an answer. Because if God was fact, he wouldn't be supernatural. He'd be able to be shown through science.
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@acemxe8472 Yep. Its just circular reasoning with you. Continue living a lie that you know the unknowable.
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@acemxe8472 And once again, you have given no evidence. You've only stated your belief as fact. God has never been shown to exist. You simply don't know.
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No, the definition of an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in a God. You confuse atheist and anti-theist. Ever heard of an agnostic atheist? Most atheists are.
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@paulkim409 nothing wrong with that. Some atheists come across that way.
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No, I doubt it.
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@Кремль Well we know Noah's flood and Adam and Eve are false. And we know this because the geologic and evolutionary evidence do not support these.
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When it involves your right, it is your choice. Whether or not the fetus is human is, legally, irrelevant. You actually don't know anything about these programs, because they rarely offer any significant help. They may provide a bit for neo-natal care, but certainly do not help you with medical costs, costs for the child after birth, and daycare help. They simply do not have the finances for that. Adoption is not a guarantee. 16% of children in foster care will commit suicide before the age of 18. 22% will end up spending at least one year in the penal system. You think its EASIER to raise a child? Then you are young and naive.
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@niceguy5501 No one has intrinsic value. You aren't valuable just because you're born. Abortion should be a last resort, which it is in most cases, and to deny a woman the right to abort when the fetus is a non sentient parasite is selfish. Also, Ben Shapiro is a brainwashed lunatic.
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@kingorange7739 You can fight child support. Go to court and file for custody rights or sever parental rights.
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@Pedro2NR Because murder is legal term.
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Been in a poly relationship for almost 8. Not much different except there's 3 people instead of 2
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It literally isn't cheating. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you find something strange.
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How exactly does "reducing or taking away the rights of the dying and pregnant women" equate to winning?
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@ethanm.2411 There is no such thing as objective moral facts because morality is subjective.
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@ethanm.2411 There is no established definition of what right and wrong are in a philosophical sense. Right and wrong only exists in a legal or societally ethical sense. The definition of objective morality is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. But all I would have to do is find a society or culture that does not believe child torture is wrong or has a different definition of the word torture. Is child sacrifice wrong? Our culture says yes, but others say no. Things are only moral in each individuals circumstances. For instance: You might consider stealing to be immoral in all circumstances, but I think a mother who steals from a grocery store to feed her children is not immoral. Therefore, the idea that stealing is wrong is not universal and is not objective.
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She does not believe in a higher power which she stated multiple times. What she said was she cannot say outright that a God does not exist. He was right about her being agnostic. What he was wrong about was he not being an atheist. She is both, as are most atheists.
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@naturalstrength8393 The fact that I married one of them and am in a serious relationship with both of them makes them my partners. I'm asexual, so sex isn't a thing. That removes the friends with benefits idea. And I don't have the relationship with either of my partners that you would with a friend. So no, polyamory isn't just friends with benefits. I am deeply in love and committed to my partners. I just happen to have that love for 2 people instead of 1. It is possible, and my relationship has lasted a hell of a lot longer than several monogamous marriages I know. I understand how this is strange to someone who is monogamous, but your feelings and confusion shouldn't justify putting down other people's relationships.
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@milluh No it isn't. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy. Tumors also have their own seperate DNA. Can they no longer be removed? And if its not the mothet's body, then what's the problem with simply removing the fetus? Oh right. It dies. Because until viability, it is a biologically dependent parasite.
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No she didn't. She said life is valuable, just not inherently.
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Why's that? I'm a vegan in the science field.
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@fusilism To be honest, most people don't. Most people think we're at the top of the food chain, for instance, when we aren't.
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@Itsalexandraelizabeth Then you aren't pro-life. You're just a hypocrite that decides one life is somehow less valuable.
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Thats not how all brains work. I have found perfect matches for me, which is why I fell in love.
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Are you saying you can't be moral if your polyamorous/monogamous?
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How hypocritical.
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I would make a strong argument its the other way around. Why can't monogamous people understand that some people are happy being poly?
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@freedomdividendnews5042 Comparing other countries, espeically contries known for human rights violations, doesn't help your argument. The culture, population, and crime statistics are all different. The fact remains that states without the death penalty have lower violent crime rates. In 2018, of the 5 countries with the lowest crime rates, only 2 had capital punishment. And in the 5 states with the lowest crime rate, only 1 had capital punishment. Its simply not a deterrent.
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No. Because you are still romantically involved with them. I'm polyamorous but asexual.
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The last death confirmed to be because of a vaccine directly was in 1991. That was almost 30 years ago. You may have a bad reaction to the vaccines for multiple reasons. You may also feel sick because vaccines introduce the virus to you.
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@ritadavison4857 You can literally look up medical articles. The last recorded death that was scientifically proven to be directly caused by a vaccine was in 1991. What you try to do is link correlation and causation.
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Yes, because you're isolating several other factors. Is it also coincidence that the US has pro-gun laws, but has a homicide rate that is at a 40 year low?
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Many products that cause diabetes are not vegan. I think that was her point.
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A fetus is not a child, and the two are not comparable.
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@allisonhook6101 Because when I tried to prove my religion true and God real, he did not hold up to scrutiny. Also, I didn't like myself as a Christian. I was judgemental towards others and believed I couldn't be friends with people who were hellbound. Because I believed the Bible. I realized I had no real evidence for God, and I could no longer justify a belief in one.
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@allisonhook6101 The Bible is also full of contradictions and disgusting immorality. I just personally feel much better. Also, I can't lose as an atheist, in my opinion.
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The reason vegans don't wear wool is because when sheep get older, they no longer produce enough wool, and are shipped off to slaughter. That's my understanding at least
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I'm anti-death penalty because its a useless system that provides no practical benefit to society. It is only there to soothe some people's emotional instability.
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@TheBookWorm1718 Why is it so hard for people to comprehend that a fetus can't care if it's aborted or not, unless of course, you try and get a late term one?
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@codnoob1152 One, its not murder. And two, so what if it's developing? Why are humans on such a pedestal? Why aren't you against ALL killing? You don't care how cows and pigs are slaughtered. You don't care about the spiders or flies you kill. Let me make this clear. I want to see an end to abortion one day. But outlawing is not the way to do it.
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There's not even two sexes. Sex isn't binary either.
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@ethanm.2411 Sure. But that only matters if you consider life inherently valuable.
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@ethanm.2411 I said INHERENT value. Not value in a broad context. Sorry, but life is only as valuable as one makes it.
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@ethanm.2411 lts not a refutation. We don't have the same belief of how valuable human life is. No, its actually you who needs to substantiate that life actually is inherently valuable. Because value only applies to those who can define it.
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@ethanm.2411 I only know my morality, and I make decisions and judgement based off of that. You have claimed life has inherent value. And you can't prove a negative. If life wasn't inherently valuable to you, you wouldn't have the position you do.
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@ethanm.2411 Depends on your personal opinion. Since what they did goes against my moral compass, then what they did was wrong in my eyes. This is not the first conversation we've had about this. You can't prove a negative. Your examples aren't negatives. I have no problem with you and I disagreeing. But the word inherent means essential or permanent. Neither of those things apply to value. Something is only valuable if one gives it value. You don't have value just by existing.
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@ethanm.2411 I can't give you an objective answer to that, because the answer isn't objective. They were stopped because people as a collective felt what they were doing was wrong. So they put an end to it. Just because the word "can't" is there doesn't make it a negative. Your statement "there can't be married bachelors" is still a positive claim. Not a negative one. No, not really. We as a collective have placed value on things. It doesn't have to be inherent to matter.
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@earbunnyisgloomy9613 I disagree.
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Nothing he said was true. He was spouting beliefs and stubbornly claiming it was truth
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I hope you're joking.
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You out of tinfoil with all those hats you're making?
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@Rick Walgreen Yes there are. You can say no to sex, fight for custody of the child, or terminate your rights.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I was clearly speaking about after birth. You don't have any right to my uterus as much as I don't get a say in whether or not you get a vasectomy.
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@Rick Walgreen I am a woman who thinks everyone deserves equal rights, regardless of sex or gender. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what right I have that you do not. I am genuinely interested.
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@rinkerd3575 In the west, I have all the rights you do. I can vote, drive, wear what I want. The wage gap isn't nearly what people make it out to be. I feel pretty equal. Also, what video? There is no comment.
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@rinkerd3575 A man has no say over a woman's body. Period. He is not the one who's rights are infringed.
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Where is your proof of this? Oh right. You don't have any. You were born an atheist, as is everyone else, and were raised to believe a certain way. Nothing wrong with that. Just stop spouting your beliefs as facts.
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...which is exactly what the first definition said. Someone who lacks a belief that a God exists, not a person who claims a God doesn't exist. Thats where agnosticism and gnosticism comes in.
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@misterchronicles5544 Atheists and agnostics are not mutually exclusive terms. Very few atheists clam a God does not exist. I certainly don't, because I can't prove that. But I do not believe in a God. I am both.
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@misterchronicles5544 Agnosticism is not a stand alone claim. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic.
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So is forced birth.
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The definition of love is "an intense feeling of deep affection". That is certainly possible for multiple people.
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Loyalty = staying committed to those you have pledged too, whether it be one or several.
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He was shut down because he was wrong. Its pitiful how people don't know what these words mean.
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@IsMiseLucas Except he is denying basic facts. She is an athiest. An atheist who also happens to be agnostic. So I fail to see why you side with him when he was wrong.
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Because it is not his body. Its that simple. No person has the right to another's body.
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Why? Because I don't believe in a God with zero evidence? By the way, if your not agnostic, then you're a liar. And liars make me wanna pull my hair out.
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No it doesn't. Any more than putting it as pro and anti-rights or pro/anti-choice would be (both of which would be far more accurate) Pro-choice isn't anti-life. People who are pro-choice choose life all the time.
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Polyamory does not necessarily mean open. Most polyamorous relationships are still closed relationships. You misinterpreted her. What she was saying is just as you love multiple friends or family, it is possible to love more than one person in a romantic way. My twins have 2 dads and a mother and they love it.
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Correlation does not equal causation
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You do understand that transgender is not a mental illness, right? You also realize that the majority of the population is mentally ill, right?
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Lizzie Allen Because it violated the rights over another sentient human being, which a fetus is not.
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@20Bailey Osborn Absolutely False. Background checks are only needed at gun shows if you are buying from a licensed dealer. If the seller is a private individual, then in most states, no background check is needed.
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@JBRocky007 Only if you're buying the gun from a licensed store or dealer at a show. If you're buying from a private seller, there is no federal law required a background check in most states
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The vegans I know view medicine differently. Meat is a luxury whereas medicine is a necessity.
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@kingorange7739 Murder: the UNLAWFUL premeditated killing of one human being by another. See what you're doing? You are leaving out a key word to be dishonest. If self-defense is not unlawful, which it isn't, then it isn't murder. If abortion is not unlawful, WHICH IT ISN'T, it isn't murder. Murder is a LEGAL term. Stop being dishonest and conflating termination/killing with murder. Its irritating.
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@kingorange7739 You left out that part of the definition because you are being dishonest. Just because it was legal doesn't make it right or okay. Murder, as a term, is subjective. Killing is not. Murder is a legal term. Killing is a definitive term. Use the correct words. Abortion is killing. But it is not murder.
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@kingorange7739 Oh by the way, even if I granted you that much, the government does not recognize the unborn as a person (even though even I disagree with that). And malice? Really? Rarely is abortion performed out of malice. Its done because the woman feels that its necessary.
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The more good people allowed to carry the better.
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Mayra Hernandez You also can't hate something you don't believe in.
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Mayra Hernandez You can be an atheist and believe in th supernatural. Atheists don't hate the Christian God. They don't like the religion or the people who try to force their religion on them.
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@potterkid4285 I'm well aware of who Ted Bundy was. But I don't believe emotions should dictate laws. I believe laws should be practical and beneficial. I don't think its "unfair". I simply don't think it was practical. By the way, he never escaped from prison. His 2 escapes were from a van during transit and a library where he was left alone.
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Biology and psychology do not always work that way.
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Animals didn't remain the same. They evolved as well. And humans are animals. Thats just a fact... Also no. Animals were here for thousands of years before humans.
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No one murders a child in an abortion. Your inflammatory language isn't accurate.
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@kickzeez22. I don't find life inherently valuable period. And no. You completely misunderstood my position. By quality of life, I meant the love and help they get from their parents. You can have low income or be disabled and still have a quality of life, just one that is harder than more privileged people. I'm talking about children who have no quality of life because their parents do not love them. Do not want them. Abuse and neglect them. This is what statistically happens when you force a woman who does not want or feels they cannot care for, a child. I find it offensive that you find a life full of pain and suffering better than never being born. You aren't entitled to anything, not even life. And the woman is also entitled to her liberty.
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Umm what? No. Manslaughter, murder and unlawful termination of a pregnancy are all seperate charges. They're just all felony charges.
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@Orinoco Flow she didn't answer so I will. Yes. Got a problem with that?
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@nathaniel8042 Except that isn't what happens. First trimester abortions are done via a pill and are removed via a D&C just like a miscarriage. Second and third trimester abortions are nearly exclusively done for medical reasons. You're either ill-informed or intentionally lying.
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Except then you give a fetus rights it does not have. A fetuses rights do not exceed that of the mother. All rights are equal. The undeveloped non-sentient fetus has NO RIGHT to the womb of the host mother.
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@briancoon641 No one has a God given right to life, as God has never been proven to exist. You have a "right to life" because of the government. That fetus's "right to life" does not superceed the woman's "right to autonomy". Once again, you are giving a fetus rights it does not have.
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Yeah that's called karma. If you act like an asshole, you'll be treated like one. The old man came in and was rude, condescending and disrespectful.
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Yeah but why? Let me guess, emotional reasons? Because theres certainly no practical reason for capital punishment.
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But you wouldn't resent losing more of your taxes to put them to death?
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Yeah, accept thats not a choice you have. And these things aren't related.
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You do realize that Klein felters exist? Intersex people exist? Gene mutations exist. Gender has nothing to do with your chromosomes. It has to do with what you socially identify as. Gender is a spectrum.
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You completely misunderstood his point. His POINT was that MOST people are NOT Ted Bundy. They are NOT Charles Manson (who never even really did anything besides be a major drug lord). They are CAPABLE of rehabilitation. But our justice system doesn't focus on rehabilitation. And it should.
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At a basic level, everyone is a cluster of cells. I agree with you that's a weak argument. However, being pro-choice does not mean you are pro-abortion. Life is not the issue. Sentience is. Rights are. You cannot give a fetus rights over the mother.
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Inigo Montoya They have their own activist groups, to my knowledge, only to counter fundamentalists who do actively try and change the law.
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Why is it hilarious to you for us the stand up for our rights?
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Minty Bear Yes it is potentially my future child. Its not an argument of life. It's an argument of sentience. And no. Again, by definition, murder is UNLAWFUL which abortion is not.
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Minty Bear if life matters, should we outlaw the death penalty? Should we outlaw the consumption of meat? I could make an argument that a criminal and a pigs life matter as well. I'm not arguing that it isn't alive. I'm arguing it isn't sentient. If it's immoral to kill because it's inconvenient, then I suppose a family should now longer have the option of taking a comatose person off of life support. They're still living.
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@Rahab111222 No it isn't. It depends entirely on what your state law says. Federal law does not control private sales. Drugs are illegal at both a state and federal level. Guns are not. It is not illegal to buy a gun privately in my state, but it might be in yours.
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Stop spreading misinformation. Needing a background check at a gun show depends entirely on who you're buying from and where. I have never had a background check on the guns I have purchased at shows, because they were not purchased from dealers, who often sell at shows.
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@AlphaTanuki Most states have no regulations for purchasing privately. The problem in your first comment is you make it sound like the only people who sell at shows are dealers, which is untrue. The thing is, most people just can go in and buy a gun. Guns are not that hard to purchase legally.
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@AlphaTanuki No, you're just misinterpreting on how gun laws actually work.
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Of course it is. But its not always an option.
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@katie323 Uhh no it isnt. It's not available everywhere, children have be turned away, and it's not always free.
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trigan wong Your not an atheist if you believe in God. I think it's wishful thinking to believe in something without evidence.
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@emiliosanchez9406 So...confirmation bias. Sorry, but I don't fall for fallacies.
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@StormChaserJ No, actually. I agree with you that is too late, which is what I said. Currently, that is the federal law. I believe abortion should be off the table when sentience is achieved. The problem is, by outlawing abortion, you are making the fetus supersede a woman's right.
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He's anti. And he lost his medical license because of it
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Citation needed
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No, its not. Its being in love with more than one person, which is just as valid as monogamy. Polyamory doesn't have to be sexual at all. Monogamy isn't any more moral than polyamory. I have twins and am poly, and there is 0 problem with that.
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@robertjusic9097 No, my point was if your going to be fine with eating pigs, than there's no reason to not eat dogs. They should be on the same level, except one is a class A felony. By the way, I don't care what people eat. I'm playing devil's advocate.
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Then go back to the dark ages where we never had an progression.
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2fast2block Then give me proof of a creator
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2fast2block The thing is, I don't need to answer you. I'm not the one who makes a claim by being an athiest. You can't show that a creator exists. And no. It doesn't mean it has to have happened supernaturally. For all you know, this world has always been here, just as your supposed deity has. I know many atheists, myself included, that are spiritual and believe in the supernatural. Atheism only applies to a belief in a Deity
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2fast2block What do you define as "natural creation?" Natural means occurring in nature. So by that logic, I could say sex is proof of "natural creation." I recommend you take college science. It's your job to prove a God exists. So until you give me evidence, I'll stick to be an atheist By the way, even if I entertain the notion a God does exist, what makes your God the correct one? You claim to be Christian, but how do you know Yahweh is the correct God, as opposed to the thousands of other Gods?
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I think she meant in general. Veganism is healthier in general, but can also be unhealthy when done wrong.
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How can anyone be so disingenuous as to compare the murder of an infant with abortion? Or to blatantly misrepresent someone's statement? You people are so dishonest.
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Galleon Those are actually millions of people. Also, I need a kidney to live. So you should be dragged into the OR to have yours removed to save my life. After all, my life is above your bodily autonomy.
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Yes, human beings are animals.
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Except that's misleading and dishonest.
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@AJ-lm5dl Actually, no its not. Because a pro-abortionist would advocate for mandatory abortions. There is no "choice" over having a right to one's body. I have that right, just as you do. Keep lying though.
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What facts?
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@leonardorosato1361 Thats because words have two different meanings. Coloquial and contextual. In the context of philosophy, yes. She would be agnostic. But when we talk in day to day life, we usually speak coloquially. Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. One is about knowledge (Agnosticism) and one is about belief (atheism). Thats why we tend to say "I am an agnostic atheist".
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Atheism: A lack of a belief in a God or Gods. Where in that definition does it mention the word "supernatural"? Many atheists believe in the supernatural.
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@lolita4902 Thats not what he said. He said because she doesn't deny that a God COULD or MIGHT exist, she is therefore not an atheist, but agnostic. That is INCORRECT. And your original post didn't mention deities. It mentioned "supernatural power". You can be an atheist and believe in supernatural power. I have atheist friends who believe in ghosts for example.
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Well, no offense, but then being "pro circumstance" would be hypocritical. If the fetus has value, why does that value auddenly change because the mother develops health complications, or because the fetus is conceived in a violent way? Abortion is either okay, or not.
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@JustSaiyanDude Except one law is practical and the other is not. One is a punishment and can result in rehabilitation. The other is too expensive and does nothing for society.
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@JustSaiyanDude No, its okay to have emotions. Its okay to feel as though that is what they deserve. But to argue from emotion is fallcious. It has no place as a basis for a law. 1. Its more expensive than life in prison. 2. Its not a deterrent to crime. 3. It doesn't lower violent crime rate. 4. Its a violation of the Constitution if its used to execute an innocent. These are my arguments. Only one of them stems from emotion, so its my lowest talking point.
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@JustSaiyanDude A punishment, in its context, is designed to be learned from. You cannot be the judge when it comes to life and death. That is not fair to the innocent people involved. About 4% of people currently sitting on death row are, at the ver least, innocent of the crime that put them there
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@yup6730 The one who is being a child is you. If you cannot take criticism from an "opinion" that had real world consequences on people, then don't share them. You do not have to respond to me if you don't want to engage in conversation.
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@hello-sz7hp So since humans are animals, why can't we abuse them? Since you're pro animal abuse?
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@hello-sz7hp But humans are animals. So what makes humans so special?
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@hello-sz7hp Umm...no? We just live in reality.
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@kva5751 imagine completely missing the point and still being on the side that would force a 12 year old to give birth.
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@kva5751 Then you aren't pro-life, as pro-life by definition requires you to be against abortion in all circumstances. Or are you one of those dishonest people who tries to change the definition of a word to suit your narrative? Oh hey wanna know a fun fact? You can be pro-choice and anti-abortion.
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Private sellers dont perform background checks. It's called the gun show loophole.
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These people don't just question vaccines. They actively spread lies that they are harmful.
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Except she's also an atheist, as she stated multiple times that she didn't believe in God. These are not mutually exclusive terms, and agnostic is frankly, redundant.
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But he was wrong. She is agnostic, but she's also an atheist. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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@jimminycricket1672 Most atheists are agnostic.
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Its not pro-abortion it's pro-choice.
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You...do realize that I can be poly and date a monogamous person...right? Like...that literally changes nothing. Not all monogamous people care if their partner is also monogamous.
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I live for myself, not held back by some sky daddy who will punish me for disobeying his vague rules. See I don't need a God to have a plan for myself. I would be curious as to your reaction if your heart did stop, and you were to discover there was no God.
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No, it was people who made the rules of church. You have yet to prove a God exists, so you cannot assign characteristics to him/her/it. Congrats on showing your indoctrination and your lack of ability to think for yourself.
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@kingtjc257 No, people do that. Once again, you haven't proven a God exists. And until you do, it cannot do anything. A boss is someone who is employed by a higher individual. But they are still hired the same way you are. If God is loving, then yeah. Everyone goes to heaven. No finite crime is worthy of eternal punishment. The Big Bang expanded the universe into what it is no, but as how the universe was made, I dont have an answer yet. And unlike you, I'm perfectly content with that. I was made because my mother and father had sex and conceived me. Prove to me a God exists. Prove to me he is the light. Because regardless of what holy book you read, God seems like a douchebag.
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Because she automatically attributes her allergy to the vaccine and then advocates other people don't get it.
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@Niko_Bellic4 Your comparison doesn't work however. Because it works the same. If a person is on life support and needs it, its the next of kins right to take the person off life support, just as its the woman's right to terminate a pregnancy before sentience. Your second issue is unrealistic. There is no way for a doctor to know someone who's on life supports prognosis months in advance. But even if they could, not only would it still not be objectively wrong to take them off, it would still be the legal next of kins decision.
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@VOTS666Uchiha You can't care for it without having the means to care for it. Its wrong to set someone up to statistically fail. 80% of our prison population spent more than a year in foster care with over half being victims of child neglect. As a failed abortion and someone that had to go through hell to have any kind of life, I did NOT deserve this. You are NOT helping people.
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@VOTS666Uchiha Because many people bring up the "give it up for adoption" argument. Yeah and? Then you would have found someone else and had a child with them. If your wife had been aborted, your life would not be any different in a grand sense. You can't care about things you never had. You people always brag about the success stories, but completely ignore those of us who failed. And we're the majority. That is vile. It is vile that you would rather see us suffer than just have faith that we MIGHT be successful. Try listening to CHILDREN scream that they wish they had been aborted.
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Alura Fletch The majority of women do not do that.
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Alura Fletch No, they really don't. In fact, I don't know any women who does. Sure, they exist. But they are certainly the minority. Everyone should be allowed to make that choice, though I think all options should be carefully considered first.
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Yeah, by being pro life, you are actually pro death. You're also anti-rights.
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@kingorange7739 Abortion isn't murder. And liberty and bodily autonomy are rights. Thats why Roe vs Wade exists.
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True. But they aren't sentient like animals are.
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Except an infant outside of the mother's womb could survive without the mother herself. Someone else could take care of it. A fetus on the other hand depends on the carrying mother for survival. The point isn't invalid. Its just not a very good argument.
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That isn't true. Many people live long and fulfilling lives being poly. I'm poly, married, have 2 children, and have had years of happiness. It just depends on what you look for and what makes you happy.
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Good joke. More like both are 0
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@fungaimandiveyi8482 Sure...still waiting for evidence of that.
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While that's a poor argument, here's the difference. I'm sentient. A fetus is not at the time of most abortions.
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Abortion will never be murder. Why not pull your head out of your ass and even consider why abortions take place? Why not value quality of life over life itself?
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While it is known that capital punishment is not a deterrent, your example is horrid. The UK has a higher homicide rate than a majority of US states. Nearly tripled in the last 5 years, and even outdid NYC. But...thats mainly because of your government.
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@andyscott15 I'm not biased. I was Christian for most of my life.
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Except its not objective and it will never be objective. Outside of you being raised to believe something is right or wrong, what naturally dictates your morality? Nothing.
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@nisringamez5775 Thats not the definition of a religion.
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That's honestly sad that you like an egotistical douchbag.
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Except it wouldn't. Thats been disproven.
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And here, we have another liar trying to use "guilt" into making people believe something that is easily shown to be false in order to spin a narrative.
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@willowwisp5784 You are. Nice try trying to pass SNAP off as that easy though.
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@willowwisp5784 Because a) its not a 10 minute interview and b) There are so many reasons you can be denied. Quit trying to pretend its easy to get assitance when necessary.
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I would really like evidence of this.
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@abiaaneel4290 "which they obviously do" No. No they obviously don't. If they did, you'd be able to provide evidence. Which you currently can not do. Nothing about my life changes whether or not a God/Heaven/Afterlife exists. I have no regrets either. I can't loose as an atheist. If Hell exists, God is a monster undeserving of love or attention. Period. I will never regret not believing in God, even if there is an afterlife. Which I don't believe there is.
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@abiaaneel4290 Humans are far from perfect. Their systems fail and they are prone to disease and injury. 80% of our planet we can not inhabit. You don't know whether it was an accident or not. I'm not even saying it was. Completely natural processes could have occured over billions of years. The reason we can answer "so many questions" is because we have a developed pre-frontal cortex. That could be explained entirely by evoultion. I'm not going to repent. 1. I don't believe in God and 2. Even if I did, I've done nothing wrong.
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@criticclips1560 No I won't. I can't lose as an atheist.
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@criticclips1560 I don't believe in Hell, but even if it exists, I still win.
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@criticclips1560 Yes it does. Because it would prove your God was a callous monster who was undeserving of love or attention.
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@thankyouforbeingafriend9632 I don't judge anyone who think a God is real. I only judge those who use their God to do harm. But when you claim to know something you don't, I will call you a liar.
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@JKR_ninja Tumors also have their own DNA and are living. Guess we can't remove those either hmm? Also no. It doesn't have a beating heart. In fact, you wouldn't even be able to hear a heartbeat. You can see it on a sonagram around 6 weeks, and all it is is nerve fibers that will form what becomes the pacemaker for the fetuses heart when it fully develops. To compare that to say, the heartbeat of the mother, is just not medically accurate. The nervous system doesn't function until between 13 and 15 weeks, after the meninges have formed and attached the nerve endings to the brainstem. Those videos have been debunked. Surgical abortions for later term abortions occur exclusively for medical purposes. Most abortions are performed before the end of the first trimester (the average being between 7 and 9 weeks) and are done via a pill. Is it still killing a life? Sure. But stop lying to try to make abortion worse than what it is.
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@idontknowanymore3074 The point was that typical "conservatives" are against abortions and are thus against women having free reign over their bodies.
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And once again, we have an example of someone who knows absolutely nothing about planned Parenthood. Abortion isn' their only MO honey.
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@thefourthtuxzt3078 So what if I had been aborted? What is your argument? I was a failed abortion, and wish every day that I had been, even though I have been successful in life.
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@oliviaw9077 Yes...millions of Christians who cannot agree on how to get to heaven or what the Bible actually says. Mhm. Very telling.
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That's not true in every state, nor does it guarantee a happy life for the child. Also, that doesn't help with the problem of the birth and pregnancy. Its not just about raising the child. Its everything involved as well.
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@IssyFishyy See the issue with the Bible and ALL its contradictions?
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@IssyFishyy Luke 19:27 "But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”
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@IssyFishyy "That I should not reign over them". Its literally saying any person who does not accept Jesus or God should be punished by death. That would include atheists.
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@IssyFishyy Where does it say that? It literally says "those who will not let me reign over them." Where does it once mention violence? It doesn't. Trying to twist what it says is just dishonest. My point exactly. The Bible is full of contradictions.
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@IssyFishyy You're only inferring that to explain a contradiction. That's dishonest.
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@tyronestone3388 Uhh no. Murder also includes the word "unlawful". Try reading the entire definition. I never said it can't be killed. But it does not feel pain, as it lacks sentience. Are you entirely vegan? Ever stepped on a spider or a roach? Quit pretending you care about life. Life doesn't matter. Sentience does.
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Any gun show in 38 states where private sellers are
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@charliegranberry2594 The fetus is property. It is chattle. I never once insinuated that life is easy. And as far as sucide, I absolutely think people should get help. But I also think people should have a right to die if they want. Life doesn't have inherent value, and I will never believe death is worse than suffering.
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@charliegranberry2594 They are humans. They are not human beings. Being is defined by personhood, which a fetus does not have until after sentience. Legally, they are chattle. Whether or not they should be is a different matter altogether. Yes, I most certainly can. Believe it or not, there are some situations that one just cannot get out of. I always think suicide should be a line no one crosses. But if you have a right to live, you also have the right to die. You are so privileged if you actually believe that quailty of life is not a determinate factor on how one values themselves. If you really think this viewpoint drives people to suicide, you've never been affected by it. I've attempted numerous times to take my life, because my unfit mother ruined any shot I had at living a normal life. My viewpoint is valid. Its just different from yours.
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I am Lita Wi No, he wasn't right. He's a moron who doesn't seem to understand that most atheists are also agnostics. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim, and refusing to call you what you are, which is an atheist, is irritating.
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@Zach David No, he wasnt right. She is an atheist. She is also agnostic. You dont seem to know what the actual definition is, because agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It's a knowledge stance. By the way dipshit, don't call someone names if you can't spell it correctly.
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That depends on what meat your talking about compared to which vegetable.
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As if protected sex doesn't also end in pregnancy...
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What she said is that humans are not inherently valuable. That means you aren't valuable just because your born. How you affect people's lives that you influence because value only comes when someone ascribes that to you. I don't think I'm valuable just because I exist. I placed value on myself based on the good I did and others placed value on me based on how I bettered their lives. But thats only there because someone ascribed it to me. Does that make more sense? You only have value, regardless of age, if other people or yourself puts that label on you. You aren't born valuable. You can be replaced. You aren't special. Those are just facts of reality.
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Because criminals obey the law, right?
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@Joyosh_86 There is no such thing as an "adoption center". You're trying to say foster care, because a private adoption isn't free. There are 44,000 new children every day needing a home. Its a tired lie that there are so many parents waiting and not enough children to adopt. Adoption doean't guarantee a quality life or happiness.
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christopher Scott Because murder by definition is UNLAWFUL, which abortion is not.
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@redredred8408 I have the sole ownership of my uterus. Period. And if you believe death is worse than suffering, you are privileged as hell.
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@aubreyprice9933 Because birth control can't easily be obtained, cannot be taken by everyone, and fails. What then?
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@aubreyprice9933 Because having sex is how many people relieve stress. Its their heroine.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 And some may find that uncomfortable. So guess what? Its none of your business. If they want to takw that risk, then the choices they make will be up to them. You will never overturn abortion.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Quit acting righteous when what you are really trying to do is elevate life to a status above liberty when they are all equal. You do not have the right to live at the cost of someone else's liberty. Period.
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@aubreyprice9933 I wish it had happened to me, because I wasn't lucky enough to grow up with loving parents. I now have permanent disabilities because of the damage done to me, and will never live a "normal" life. You cannot miss what you never had. Had any of us been aborted, we would not have cared. You say that because you were priviledged enough to have parents who loved and cared about you. So I don't expect you to understand.
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@aubreyprice9933 And thats fine. I meerly like having discussions
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I have answered all of your comments. Go up and read them.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 That wasn't what I meant. I meant people with your same viewpoint are one of the major reasons I had a terrible life. I understand your position, even though I disagree. But you don't understand mine. Because for every few thousand who are lucky enough to make it out okay of bad situations, there are thousands more who don't. And it seems that these people don't matter.
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Opposite is actually true. Gun shows, at least where I live in the midwest are mostly private sellers, and therefore do not require background checks.
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Facts don't care about your feelings. Its not. Thats not an opinion.
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@EHowdy97 I attacked the idea of being pro-life, not a person. I've also seen pro-lifers call pro-choicers murderers and say they should get the death penalty. Neither of those ways of thinking are correct. If you believe my disdain for a view you hold means attacks you as a person, that it your problem.
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@EHowdy97 I'm sorry if you perceive it that way. But that's your problem. I take issue with someone else telling a person what they can and cannot do with their bodies. I take issue with people refusing to even acknowledge where I am coming from. I take issue with people deliberately speeading lies and misinformation because it fits their views and narratives. That doesn't mean I think of them as any less of a person. No, I'm not being as bad as the people who are telling me I should be killed for my support of autonomy.
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@EHowdy97 I'm not triggered for having a differing opinion. People can think whatever they want. I have a problem with people trying to use their thoughts to change the law for others who do not share that viewpoint. That is not hypocritical. You have a different opinion? Fine. But do not call me something I'm not, or I will make a reply.
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Gian Santos As a Christian for 20 years and a person who studied theology in college, I am very proud to now be an atheist. Because it's nonsense to believe in something without evidence.
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I'm sorry you believe that. I got through stage 3 cancer without a God.
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@J You do realize I can respect you as a person and your right to practice without respecting a religion that has directly and indirectly caused the deaths of millions of people, right? I highly doubt you get "builled" for simply saying thank God. I say that all the time as an atheist.
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Humans are animals. We just lucked out on the fusion of chromosome 2. We really AREN'T that different.
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@karmen3652 I like how you agreed with a pro-choice person.
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@broncobama8091 I would argue that sentience should be the relevant point of topic and not life. Putting the value on life would make nearly every pro-lifer a hypocrite.
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Like anything else, medicines can have side effects. But its a risk vs benefit standpoint. Parents do not know the makeup and anatomy of a child more than a doctor who studied for 8 years and then did 2-3 years residency.
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An agnostic what? No such thing as just an agnostic.
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@shototodoroki-tl4ox So then you're an agnostic atheist.
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@shototodoroki-tl4ox If I ask you if you believe in God, and your answer is anything other than "yes", you are an atheist.
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@MyMarnus Uhh no. Because countries without the death penalty have been proven to have lower crime rates
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@MyMarnus Sorry that facts do not support your argument. Its too expensive, its not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rates.
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Thats one or two states unfortunately. Don't worry, they're already in trouble.
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You're not pro-life. You're pro-choice.
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Both of these comments are absolutely not true. Any GOOD doctor or nurse will tell you exactly what is in vaccines or allow you to read the insert and will educate you on what they do to both the vaccine and their purpose. Not only that, this knowledge is easily found online. If you don't feel comfortable, do your own research. And if you choose not to vaccinate, fine. That should be your liberty. But do not get angry when you are denied certain privilages, nor complain for any criminal or financial problems arise should you not vaccinate and someone dies or gets hurt.
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No one murders a baby. A) Its not murder. Murder is a legal term. B) Baby, both scientifically and medically, applies only post utero. That's not to say it isn't alive, not human, and cut off dates should not exist. You should have a right to your own bodily autonomy. No one should get to use you without your consent. Period.
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There are plenty of places where contraception is not widely available.
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You know why we get angry? Because we get classed on the same level as baby killers when it is not the same by hypocritical morons.
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@tacoexpressSEEDEEholeeveryones Nope. I think realizing you aren't fit to be a parent in that moment and time and killing a fetus is fine. Its not sentient and it doesn't feel. I fail to see how supporting access to a medical procedure means I need help. No one murders a kid. You have no problem with animals being slaughtered for food. They feel more than that fetus.
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What planet do you live on that your pronounced dead when your heart stops? You know what a defibulator is for? You are pronounced dead when your brainstem ceases to function. Your heart can be restarted so long as your brainstem is functioning.
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@stevencharron3866 Humans, including yourself and those around you do. Its a descriptive term. You can believe that everyone is inherently valuable, but I do not. Without a cognitive function, the term "value" has no meaning. You can value something without placing INHERENT value on it.
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It can. Depends on the person.
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No he wasn't. Unless you mean his beliefs align most with a book. Then he's right.
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@breakingfl Because it restricted me from being myself and hanging out with people I wanted to, or I'd risk damning my soul.
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@dexterity5809 No it wouldn't. It would do the opposite. You would see more mass shootings.
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@dexterity5809 Why do you only focus on mass shootings instead of violence in general?
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@asdadishere Then you misunderstand the argument. No one has an inherent right to anything. You only have rights because a government says you do. I believe that if everyone was capable of taking care of a child in any circumstance, no one would support abortion. But that is simply not reality. Sexual intercourse is more than just procreation. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Abortion is just as responsible a decision as any other choice that pro-life offers. Rape is not used to justify other abortions. But it is hypocritical to say that a woman deserves to abort a fetus if conceived through rape than any other reason. A fetus doesn't change just because its conceived through rape.
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They can be. They don't have to be
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@matt1325 Because you said you would force your daughter to go through trauma if she wanted an abortion. That's vile.
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@andrewthomas365 There is no truth to your God claim. However, if that evidence ever surfaces, I will believe.
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@andrewthomas365 Just because I'm an atheist does not mean I believe everything came from nothing. I don't.
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And you say that as if we had that active choice and if we did, would have chosen to be born. I can assure you, you are quite mistaken.
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@kw7142 That's fine. I ultimately think it should be left up to the comatose person. Important to have a will
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Lizzie Allen No, because they're sentient. It would make the most sense to make a careful decision about what to do and consider all options. Should you happen to choose abortion, it would make the most sense to terminate it before it gains sentience.
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Lizzie Allen You know, thats an interesting question. Its almost as if we wouldn't have that problem if people weren't demonized and attacked for having an abortion to prevent that from happening in the first place.
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Of course the pro-lifer would be projecting by using ad homonyms.
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You guys really like to get people on video who have such radical views that they cause people to leave, don't you? Then you question why people won't see your side. Its very strange.
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@melaniemars155 There is no such thing as a lukewarm Christian. You're either a Christian or your not.
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Prove this God even exists first. By the way, which is it? Is God omnicient? Or do I have free will?
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Facts require evidence, of which your God has none.
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@jasminefirebrace2455 Written record.
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IssyFishyy Its your job to prove your positive claim true.
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Men absolutely should be allowed to voice an opinion. But you do not have authority over my uterus. Period. I decide that. I don't get to dictate what happens to your body.
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@12Messenger Because rape is always a choice right? Even though that only makes up 1% of abortions, thats MILLIONS of people. No, you have multiple options. Not have sex, protected sex, or unprotected sex. No. Its not that they're "hoes that don't want to give up the lifestyle". Its the simple fact that they don't have the means to raise a child. And that is their right.
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You'd probably have a dislike of someone too if they were trying to take your rights.
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@kingjom5651 Because I enjoy healthy debate with people. I've called out a few pro-choicers as well.
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@chungs6496 Yes, that is indeed what happens.
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@julie8990 If they want a constructive debate with pro-life people, then they're pro-choice.
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@Humanity Galatica Your morality is subjective to the time and culture you live in. Religion can impact it positively or negatively.
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You can not believe in something personally, and not be judgmental towards people who have a differing opinion...
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I'll remember that the next time I read about the spiking homicide rate in other countries.
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Yes, so?
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@Mabel Wilson I understand people have strong opinions on topics. Especially one's such as these. What you think doesn't matter. Its not murder. Murder is a legal term. Is it killing? Yes. But it isn't murder. The root of this issue should be about preventing unwanted pregnancy in the first place.
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@lasheenapottinger7405 You couldn't possibly be more hypocritical then. If the fetuses life is inherently valuable, what difference does it make how it was conceived? And that fetus is depriving me of nutrients and energy. You do not get to use me for your survival without my consent. Period. I'm not entitled to your kidney any more than a fetus is entitled to my uterus.
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@maninedoow5895 If you are pro-life, and you claim you don't want to outlaw abortion, then you are in the VAST minority. The instant you say you want to outlaw abortion, you want to take away the rights of others. Being pro-life is, in fact, telling someone that you believe their decision on what happens with their own bodies is wrong. Period.
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Noah Giovingo Because it's not a fact. It's a personal belief
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Noah Giovingo Just because you say it's a fact doesn't make it so. You need to prove it
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Noah Giovingo That is not proof of a Deity. That isn't proof of anything other than the way the Earth's conditions are conducive to the growth of plants and the genetics of a human.
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No he wasn't.
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Yes because it's shown to harm the fetus. What does this have to do with abortion?
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What common sense is there in the death penalty? What benefit does it provide?
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Nope, and then they can simply walk away and say, I'm not taking care of this thing because I lack the ability to, and we'll have more child deaths than ever. Sounds lovely.
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Wearing a condom doesn't mean you won't get pregnant.
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There's nothing wrong with having beliefs. There's a lot wrong with claiming your beliefs as fact and by being an ass to other people by telling them what they are.
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@blankblank5808 Show you proof of what exactly? That he was being an ass?
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@blankblank5808 That's your opinion. Also, they aren't facts. They're opinions. People like you and Jeremy are the reason atheism has risen up as much as it has. Being in people's faces turns them away from the faith.
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@lizziemartin6113 He was an ass because he continued to interrupt and try and tell a person what they are. That's insensitive. Are there atheists that are like that? Sure. But probably because theists like to tell us how we're bad people and headed for he'll because we don't worship God.
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@travisjohnson7065 Make that argument when a fetus no longer needs to use anothers organ for survival and you may have a case.
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@christianjilwan8817 It has nothing to do with a state of dependance, and still isn't a rational argument because you can still remove a comatose person off of life support. The issue is the route of dependance. A person on a feeding tube does not depend on another person's ORGAN for survival. It does not violate the rights of a sentient being for that dependance. That is the issue. No, my rationale has nothing to do with morality. I could entirely grant you that abortion is "immoral" or "evil". I argue abortion from a legal perspective, not a moral one. I don't believe anything, human or otherwise, has inherent value. I don't care that its human. It means nothing. It isn't sentient, and I believe that takes precedent over its species.
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@halosainswavvy9202 Perhaps, but to claim thats a reason not to abort is a terrible argument.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Which is why I don't think its a strong argument to use when discussing abortion. But thats just me.
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The education system has failed you.
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Unless you had a necropsy done on him and cam 100% confirm it was the vaccine that caused your dogs death, you are meerly jumping to conclusions. By the way, if that story was true, it would be all ove media. I'm sorry, but I think you're seeing something that isn't there.
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The point of being vegan from a moral perspective is to reduce the amount of sentient lives lost. You're not capable of existing without unfortunately destroying some type of sentient life.
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I disagree. Most would rather die than live a needlessly painful and sad life.
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Would probably go the same way this one did. Islam offers no evidence of Allah anymore than Christianity offers evidence for Yahweh.
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Kinda loose language you're using. If you've ever jaywalked or sped, you would be a criminal by definition. Know they deserve death? That isn't a known. That's a personal opinion. One the majority of people do not support.
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@TheBookWorm1718 You're kidding right? Mental anxiety, sickness from pregnancy and neo natal care are all steps taken during pregnancy.
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@operatorbutt4265 There is no practical reason to execute them and they do take up resources executing them. They still have to eat and sleep on death row, and the drugs could go to other things. Your only reason for capital punishment is arbitrary, subjective and emotional. The bottom line is capital punishment is not practical. It is more expensive, it doesn't lower crime rates and it isn't a deterrent
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That is certainly not always true. I know plenty of well off atheists, and plenty of impoverished, miserable Christians.
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@serenity9932 And why is that? What is hypocritical?
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@LOWERCASEJOKE You don't, though its kind of expected in a reply, especially when you're being dishonest. And there was no reason to bring up my pfp, except to take a cheap shot because you disagree. You're not fooling anyone.
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And you're despicable if you set up a child for failure by birthing them when you cannot provide. Also, ypu realize pro-life doesn't just apply to abortion? Why don't the dying deserve the right to die on their terms?
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No it isn't. How does capital punishment protect society any more than life in prison?
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Except one is actively causing harm and the other you just don't agree with.
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Why? For defending themselves from an asshole?
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Austin Chamberlain It isn't scientifically inaccurate. A fetus is not a baby at the time of most abortions. It is a parasitic group of cells that relys on a mother to develop into a baby.
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Its not sad. Its honesty. Find your own value and determine your own worth.
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You want to talk to a polyamorous person who can actually form a cohesive argument?
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1. No. The death penalty does not deter violent crimes. This is no longer an opinion. It is a proven fact. 2. Not everyone can be rehabilitated. That is also a fact. 3. Religion should play no role in any kind of argument unless it is a theological one. There is no proof of a Gods existence and everyone's stance is different.
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And here class, we have an example of a bronze age indoctrinated asshole who I am sure does not follow the Bible 100%
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Then I would ask that you demonstrate to me that the kingdom of heaven exists and he is closest to it. You don't know. You believe.
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@Hans1992lonelyangel Except I don't believe in that crap as it has yet to be demonstrated. But keep up your gymnastics.
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@Hans1992lonelyangel I was a Christian for over 20 years. I'm frankly passed that phase until you can show me evidence of his existence.
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Never have I had a background check at a show. This is because the people I bought from were private sellers, and are under no obligation to provide a background check. Not anti-gun. Just pointing out that somthing being poorly named doesn't make it false.
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@alienhybrid7891 Actually, in my own personal experience, more private sellers sell at shows than actual FFL dealers. That may just be my state though. I'm curious as to what state you are in, as that would strictly be a rule for the venue where the show is being held. There is no law in any state regarding who can amd can't sell at shows, except the small minority that regulate private sales. No, thats not true. Not here at least. My purchases have all been done at the show. But again, that may just be my state. And actually, most people who turn out to be criminals either purchase firearms legally, or steal them from a friend or family member.
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@jweave So were the Christians.
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Abortion is taking responsibility, just as motherhood and adoption is. Protection is not available everywhere and can be expensive. Its also not 100% effective. Having sex doesn't make you a skank. Also, the morning after pill is ALSO not available everywhere, expensive, and is not 100% effective.
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@livetolove3408 Abstinence does not work. People want to have sex. Its healthy for the body. I agree precautions should be taken, but consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@Study49-yt Why should I respect an opinion that seeks to strip a right from someone because they have mental illness? That's like saying "I don't like black people. Respect my opinion."
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As if that rhetoric works. Most people want to have sex. Its healthy and pleasureable.
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@KatOnline Problems with that. Birth control is not available/accessible to everyone and not everyone can use it, and both condoms and birth control fail. To say "don't take it out on the baby" is kinda...disgusting. it trivializes the trauma of not only rape, but the damage that rape causes. The fetus is not a person. It likes sentience and therefore lacks personhood. And again, you can be on both, and still get pregnant.
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@KatOnline Baby, both medically and scientifically, means post utero. Fetus is simply the correct term. I never said it wasn't alive, because being alive doesn't matter.
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They do recognize that people have reactions to them and it impacts their lives. The problem is just then jumping to the conclusion that a) the vaccine is what harmed you in the first place and b) advocating against people taking vaccines based on your bad reaction. You shouldn't acknowledge or accept anything without evidence that the thing occured. And there are definitely lies spread by the people here because they are looking for something to blame.
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Not gonna lie. I'd save my cat over a human stranger.
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A place in the middle that would prevent mass shootings is making it easier to obtain guns and getting rid of gun free zones. There is a reason why mass shootings occur in states with strict gun laws.
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"People who have a documented mental illness should not be allowed to own guns" That is blatantly unconstitutional, and I'd be willing to bet you have mental illness. The majority of people do. ADHD, Depression, Anxiety, OCD, Autism spectrum disorders etc. All of these are mental illnesses. Where would you put the line?
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You actually can. Quite easily in fact. Just find a private vendor at a show in one of the 38 states that do not put restrictions on private sales. That simple.
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@design7054 That's simply because it is not their rights being infringed upon. As a woman, and as someone who has had an abortion, I 100% think a father's wishes should be heard, respected and considered. The ultimate decision is mine, but he should certainly be a part of the conversation.
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Why? Its not beneficial.
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Or they clearly know that this specific pediatrician had his medical license revoked for negligence and is no longer practicing.
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@virtuoso7811 Ummm no. Thats actually not how medical school works at all. Someone who is trained in a specialized medicine, such as pediatrics, will simply not be educated in the same way another specialist would. I am currently in medical school. But my field of speciality and my education path is vastly different from anyone not in my course. I agree they should not be mandatory. However, you should then be accepting of the costs that come with choosing not to vaccinate. I have no idea what "increased risks" you're referring to.
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@virtuoso7811 Actually it did. He falsely provided medical exemptions from vaccines that a child was not entitled to. Not only does that violate FEDERAL law, he potentially could have caused damage to hundreds of children should that child have contracted something. You apparently didn't do any research into why he actually lost his license. He actively did endager people by exempting people from vaccines who were not eligible. It wasn't as simple as "be responsible about vaccinations". He also actively claimed that vaccinating your children put them more at a risk for developing auto-immune disorders, autism and ADHD, something science and medicine has COMPLETELY debunked.
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@virtuoso7811 My specific track has nothing to do with immunology. I'm not in medical school for traditional medicine. We have had decades of research into vaccines and nothing has ever linked them to mental illness. They do not stay in the body that long. Thats why boosters exist. Have you maybe considered the reason we have seen growth in mental illness is because of the vast amount of research and the decreasing amount of stigma around it? We do know. Autism is genetic. If a child is autistic, it will be autistic at birth. They just may not show symptoms because autism is a spectrum. I didn't find out I was on the autism spectrum until I was almost 20. The fact remains that in almost 50 years of research, we have never found a link between vaccines and autism. And everyone who has tried to claim that have been completely discredited and sometimes jailed or fined.
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@virtuoso7811 My opinion will change when that evidence is found. Right now there is no link. And to deny the good that vaccines have done because of what may occur (but as of yet hasn't) is like saying not to wear a seatbelt because it could break your ribs if you have an accident. Its a risk vs reward system and unfortunately, everything has risks. Including vaccines. The question should be are those risks worth it? And with vaccines, they definitely are.
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@virtuoso7811 Because its genetic. Not hereditary. Genes can mutate. And how do you know your lineage has no autism in it? You don't. Autism, as with most mental illnesses, were all grouped together not even 60 years ago. It was unheard of because anyone with mental illness was simply classified as crazy. It was only when people actually starting trying to look at the finer details that mental illnesses were catagorized. And with spectrum disorders, many people will fall under a broad umbrella with specialized traits. Its really not that complicated.
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@virtuoso7811 The fact that you believe that already shows how uneducated you are. Its natural that as more research into the human brain works, the more knowledge we will gain about how it can and does act differently. Quit treating mental illness like its a bad thing. Its not. You probably have it yourself and you certainly know someone who does.
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@virtuoso7811 But you do believe that, because you just said you know that the spike in mental health had to do with something we encounter on a daily basis, which there is no evidence for. It is impossible to live life free of beliefs entirely. I'm sorry your brother does that. He should be recieving counseling for that. Autism can be hard, but it doesn't have to rule your life. You should tell him there is no such thing as normal. Everyone is their own person, and "normal" by definition just means sane. In fact, those without mental illness are the minority. Talk to him.
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@virtuoso7811 I would like to see evidence of that because that sounds entirely made up. The CDC has stated more than once on record that it has found no link between autism and vaccines. Because it can't. Nothing in vaccines can cause a genetic disorder. This has already been proven. I am curious to know what anti-vaxxers think vaccines are.
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@virtuoso7811 And yet, nothing has been successful. Because its a genetic birth defect. The spike in autism comes from the simple fact that much more is known about it, it is a spectrum, and it is not as stigmatized as it once was. Mental illness was not delt with in the 50's. We were still lobotomizing people with mental illness back then. It was not okay to be mentally ill. It was always there. It simply was not diagnosed or talked about.
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And that DNA is 99% percent similar to mine. Please tell me what fetus can develop a body without using a mother's uterus.
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@keer-stin Because it doesn't make sense. 2/2 men having normal intercourse cannot procreate. Men do not need to take contraceptives, because they cannot get pregnant. I do not understand how you think a partner taking a contraceptive will prevent you from getting pregnant. Contraceptives prevent the person taking them from getting pregnant.
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@MsWitchHazel666 Yeah of course. And your still entitled to your opinion. She just tends to try and be super sarcastic, and I think that can come off as cringy to some. But she's super insightful and doesn't glorify the prison lifestyle.
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Depends on what state and who you're buying from.
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Arsen L. No, that's the definiton of an agnostic atheist. Someone who doesn't know whether or not a God exists but does not believe in one.
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I remember when everyone actually was samrt to enough to understand what the definition of murder was.
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@conradmerrywether9438 And we completely agree.
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Your sibling and cousin didn't "get" autism. They were born with autism. It is a genetic disorder you will have at birth. Your aunt may have had a reaction to something in the flu vaccine, but seziures from vaccines are usually temporary. If its continued, I would look into all possibilities.
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You should have a right to abortion regardless.
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I would love to see the look on Christian faces if they found out there was no God and they wasted their lives being hateful and judgemental for nothing.
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@Reptile-oj6ke Nah, not in my opinion. Pascals Wager is the weakest argument.
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@ethanm.2411 Because the fetus has no rights and even if it did those rights would not exceed those of its mother. You're acting like pro-choice only supports abortion.
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@altr-d5177 Late term abortions are performed exclusively for medical necessity.
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@msharp6887 We use personhood because using life would be hypocritical. You're probably not vegan or anti-gun, and conservatives are usually for the death penalty. You've negated your whole argument if you argue from the standpoint of life, because you have no issue with taking life. Its innocent persons you have an issue with. Also, no. If we're being entirely scientific, then "human" life would begin at implantation and not conception. Except, they don't. And science has nothing to do with human rights. Human rights are something granted to you by a government. And they lack these human rights because they aren't people. While science can be used in the abortion debate, it is not a scientific argument. Its a philosophical and moral one. I'm pro-choice, understand its a human, understand its alive, and still realize that I have the right to abort it.
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@msharp6887 I have no issue with the killing of a non-sentient fetus. I definitely take issue with the killing of a baby. Those two things are not the same thing, so please don't be dishonest in conflating them. No, that definitely still pertains to my original argument. Value is not prescriptive. Its descriptive. Value has always been placed on sentience. Not on life. So to suddenly care about "life" is inconsistent and hypocritical. That is one argument for abortion yes. And that would still apply, considering those who are not people do not have rights. Here comes the dishonesty. I never said human life has no value. I said human life has no inherent value. That's not even an opinion. That's just a harsh reality. You aren't valuable because you exist and are human. You're valuable because you and the people you impact assign that value to you. And neither of these arguments are relevant. The debate should be around "should a fetus have human rights" and "when is personhood formed". These are what pertain to abortion. Not life. Life has NEVER been relevant. They've already ruled on Roe vs Wade. It will not be overturned because to deny access to abortion is a constitutional violation. The Supreme Court has already stated this numerous times.
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Let me close this out. You don't know what words mean.
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It is absolutely not a deterrent. Not to criminals at least. This has been continuously disproven. Saudi Arabia is also a country that has 0 human rights. And the death penalty has nothing to do with the lack of crime there. It has to do with the fact that the crimes down are enacted by a dictatorial government.
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"If you don't interrupt it, that life will be born" Yes. Lets pretend that miscarriages don't happen, even though they're more frequent than actual births.
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If only it were that easy. Too bad sex ed is rarely taught in schools and not everyone has access to contraception.
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Maybe she just doesn't understand private sales and assumes all sales are like that. Most people don't seem to know actual gun laws...
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You do realize that most Christians consider at least certain parts of the Bible metaphorical?
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While they're burning to death or sitting there with a knife in their gut.
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@8ing8ong78 Your murder rate has skyrocketed. You just have less gun related homicides.
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If its not my body, then just remove the fetus from my uterus. Oh wait...then it dies. Its almost as if it is dependent on my body for its existence.
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Because taking the time to invest in a person gains knowledge of what drove them in the first place. It helps us find the root cause to ensure more do not follow in that path.
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Yes you can. Depends on who and where you buy it from. FFL dealers are not the only people who sell at shows.
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Waits Sharpe Evil is a subjective opinion. I would argue it's evil to dictate what a woman can and can't do with her body.
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She clearly said more than once she didn't believe in a God. That makes her an agnostic atheist. Most atheists are agnostic, as everyone should be.
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Except its not. I get the choice over whether or not something can use my body.
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No sorry. Thats not how sex and gender work my friend.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Not really. A human is a human deserving of life right? By the way, most people against abortion are pro capital punishment, as they are conservatives.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I support abortion because I believe Liberty is just as important as Life, and have seen the damage done to children and parents when an unfit mother is forced into giving birth. I was one of those children. I know that. I just don't know a single conservative that doesn't. Just my own personal anecdote. We're not talking about your country. We're talking about the US. If you oppose abortion, you are not a liberal. You may be on the left or lean left, but you're not liberal. There isn't. The difference between you and I is simple. I base mine on sentience and personhood. You base yours on life and the fact that its human.
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They have. He can no longer practice.
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No, thats not what she said. She said she could not say a God does not exist. But stated multiple times she did not believe in one. Colloquially, the term agnostic is redundant. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. Its not that people didn't understand what he was saying. It was that he was straight up wrong.
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You probably already do, since anyone who has ever jaywalked, speeded etc is by definition a criminal. Also, you completely misunderstood what he said.
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@ilya34prvur19 You people always like to twist the definition of murder. Murder is a legal term. Use it as such.
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Then you shouldn't be allowed a license if you've ever been in an accident that was your fault, no matter how small.
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You'd be amazed at what the human body is capable of. Science can't explain the supernatural because it's unobserveable and untestable.
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They aren't. But if you claim to love the life so much that a person should not be allowed to abort, why shouldn't you have to pay? You're the one forcing them to keep an a pregnancy they can't afford.
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@rxpilld4135 Clearly you don't. Would you like me to list what is in most vaccines?
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@rxpilld4135 Then tell me what ingredients you don't think you come into contact with that you're so scared of.
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@rxpilld4135 I literally stated that I understand that sometimes, vaccines can be unsafe. And they should be recalled and tested. That is not the point. The point is that the fact that harmful effects can and do occur should not be the only determining factor in getting a vaccine. There are safety problems with every medication. So I guess just stop taking medicine huh? By the way, you are citing one vaccine. A vaccine that also has been shown to prevent horrible cancers. I understand that the harm caused can't be overlooked, and that is why it was pulled. Most vaccines do not behave that way.
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@RealTalkChristina No, nearly all vaccines are dead. In fact, the only regularly used live vaccine is some flu vaccines. So if you really believe that, your wrong from the get go. You can have reactions to vaccines. But mental health problems are almost entirely genetic. You'll have them regardless of whether you have vaccines. And we keep up to date on shots because they can come back. These viruses can and do come back. You don't need a shot. I'm not saying go get vaccinated. I'm not even for mandates. But you ARE a risk. That's all. You are an adult, so you should make your own decisions. You should also be responsible for any harm you cause to other people.
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No, there are 2 sexes. Male and female. Gender is a social construct and, like almost all social constructs, is a spectrum.
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No, what women want is the right to bodily autonomy. And exactly how is abortion irresponsible compared to having a child you neglect and abuse to death?
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Not true at all. Its just harder in adults than children.
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You can be an atheist and believe in the supernatural. By the way, she didn't say that. She simply was correcting the old moron that you can, but he kept cutting her off.
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@hannamsp7518 Because you may have spiritual beliefs, but not believe in a God?
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You can, however, easily find tatoo shops that use vegan ink.
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Lacks a belief in a creator. There's a difference.
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@jacko2019 Doesn't believe isn't what you said. You claimed the atheist "believed there is no creator". Thats a postive claim. He "doesn't believe there is a creator or lacks a belief in a creator". Pay what price? You can't lose as an atheist.
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Facts and God do not go together. You have yet to prove God exists. Until then, you are spouting indoctrinated beliefs.
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@boog_01 We have evidence for the big bang, but not all atheists believe in the big bang.
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There is no truth to the Bible any more than there is truth to the Qur'an or the Tora. If you want to make the claim that the Bible is true, you must provide evidence, which you do not have. Jesus may not have even existed, though I don't doubt he did. You have no evidence of anything other than the Bible, a book written decades after he died.
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@Hris1234 If your God is truly omnipotent, then he absoutely knows what evidence would be necessary for me to believe in his existence. Also, no there isnt. In fact, many so called events from the Bible (Noah's flood for instance) is a blantent lie.
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BossTech Alright. I'm a pro-choice atheist. Stop and consider why women get abortions. If the subject is about killing, you'd be a hypocrite if you weren't a vegan or if you ever killed a spider. Why is human sentience any different than animal sentience? That's the key here. Sentience. I'm pro-choice because I know that some mother's accept that they are unfit. I would rather see a non-senient fetus be aborted than see a child who is sentient be abused and neglected because the mother was forced to have it. Adoption systems are fundamentally broken. Until they are fixed, the thought of outlawing abortion is unthinkable. In my opinion, it isn't about life. It's about sentience.
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Technically speaking. Its not that we believe humans are animals. Humans are animals. Thats a fact.
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Yeah...if thats your argument, you're on the wrong side, since it costs more taxpayer money to execute them than it does to imprison them for life.
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@LIROELQBREGA Yes. It does. And this is common knowledge. You know why? Because of the due process given to death row inmates to file unlimited appeals. Even staying on death row costs double than it does to keep the same inmate in ad seg.
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And when condoms fail?
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@matt1325 And you still have your right to an abortion.
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Emiliano Everyone SHOULD be agnostic, because no one knows. To claim you know God does or does not exist is a lie. But, not everyone is honest.
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But he was wrong.
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@ricebubble7805 1) Calling God a fact. 2) Saying she was agnostic and not an atheist. 3) Saying atheists don't believe in the supernatural.
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@RA-ie3ss No? I don't care if I'm right or not really. All I stated was that in general, Christians are much more self-righteous. I'm constantly told I have no morality, that I'm going to Hell, and that I don't deserve to be happy.
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It is. But that isn't the issue.
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I'm a vegan. I'll answer.
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Another addition to the "No-True Scotsman" fallacy I see.
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Think you might feel differently if ever someone pointed a gun at you
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Remember that the next time you eat a hamburger or step on a spider then. That's life as well. Why are you on a pedestal?
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Reagan Butrum You don't know what the definition of murder is. You know what you would do if you banned abortions? You'd skyrocket deaths in mother's and fetuses, you'd overcrowd the foster care system even more, and you'd increase child abuse and child death rates.
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You do not have freewill in most forms of Christianity. If you're making a choice because of an "ultimatum" or said God knows what choice you will make, that choice isn't free.
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Several reasons. 1) It may not have been CP. 2) Mutations happen. 3) You didn't have your boosters.
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It took me less than 45 minutes. It depends entirely on where you live and who you're buying the firearm from. Never had a background check. Never had a bill of sale.
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Of course they're living. They do not feel pain however, nor are they sentient.
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But he wasn't right.
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The religious aspect is a terrible argument. The Bible is very much Pro-choice. And "in your eyes" doesn't matter. Facts do not care about your feelings. Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term.
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Because you have a right to bodily autonomy. And its sick and disgusting that people would try to take that away from people.
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You're not being lied to about it being a clump of cells. All organic matter is a clump of cells on a basic level.
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@capricornicus1225 depends on what stage of the pregnancy you are in.
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You are right. If my mothers abortion hadn't failed, I wouldn't have the decision. Nor would I care. Because I would have been physically incapable of caring. You arent born with value. The unique life you live and experiences that are your own is what makes your life valuable. That's not something you're born with. Congrats. You can adequately care for a child. Some people cannot, and to put the children through the torment they go through when they are sentient, instead of ending it when they aren't, is deplorable. Don't get me wrong. I want to see an end to abortion one day. You have to be realistic.
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No one ever stops being a cluster of cells. All organic life is just clusters of cells. Other than that yeah. Its a weak argument.
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@edelweiss6768 I don't think any human has inherent value, therefore I don't think a child conceived in rape has any more value than anything else. That depends on the person of which that fetus belongs. Abortion is taking responsibility, whether or not you agree with it. 3% of abortions in the US are combined rape, incest, and medical complications. That's millions of women you want to take that right from. Learn to read.
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Judy Mikovits is not a medical doctor and never has been, and has been discredited entirely. She is a lying scam artist who faced 2 felony counts and was able to settle a lawsuit out of court. But please, continue to claim that she is this beacon of health.
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Wesley R No it doesn't. I can believe in magic and spirits without believing in a god.
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Veganism abstains from all non animal products whereas vegetarians only abstain from meat.
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That's because some of us wish thag had been the case with us.
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No, I totally wish my mother had aborted me over selling me to men and breaking my lumbar spine.
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You're also entirely controlled by your government and your knife crime rates are on the rise.
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@scottpe6226 Risks vs Benefit. Do what you think is right. But be prepared to take responsibility for that decision.
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@blackbird4062 I don't believe he exists, nor am I scared. I see no evidence and I think to believe in something with 0 evidence is foolish and is only a cover up for a fear of death. I can't lose as an atheist. Either A) There is no God, and I'm just dead. B) There is an all loving God and I'll get into heaven regardless of belief or not. Or C) God is a dictator, a tyrant and a monster, who destroys those who did not follow him, and I would RATHER be in hell.
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It may have also saved her from getting raped. We simply don't know.
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You would first have to provide evidence that the world is in fact "created". Creation =/= Existence.
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You...don't pay for abortions? That's against the federal law. The Hyde Amendment specifically.
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You are not living in reality. All the love in the world won't protect you from nature or starvation.
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leeuniverse Entirely independant? Uh no. That fetus is a parasite on the mother and REQUIRES her for life at the time of most abortions. It's not it's own body. It's DNA is half its mother's, and until it develops the circulatory system, which granted develops early, it has its MOTHER'S blood. No, you aren't murdering anything. You are making a decision based on the quality of life as opposed to whether it just exists. That's a hard choice. Maybe try to look at it from another perspective.
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When you fit the definition of what you are claiming, and you have someone try to tell you otherwise and interrupt you every time you try to explain it when they have no idea what they're talking about, they look like a moronic dick. Why is everyone hating on the old guy? Because he was being an obnoxious prick who believe that his indoctrinated beliefs were facts.
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I can think of many justifications for abortion. Also, if we're speaking for the life of the fetus, it begins at implantation. What if you don't consider humans inherently valuable? Is DNA what determines if something is human? Tumors have their own DNA, can I remove them?
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@Povertycab No, I'm pointing out a flaw in your argument.
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@Povertycab No, what I said was "if your only basis for human life is DNA, and that's why abortions should be ilegal, then by your logic, it should be illegal to remove a tumor. They also have separate DNA" You're the one who's crying, not me.
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@Povertycab Sounds ike someone doesn't have an explanation.
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In a poly relationship, yall do not love its lust You do realize that asexual polyamorous people exist right? People who only want a romantic relationship and do not want sex? If you have to be in a poly relationship No one HAS to be in ANY relationship. I am in a polyamorous relationship because I fell in love with more than one person. End of story. If your partner leaves you for another person... By that logic, any monogamous person has no right to be mad either. You can still cheat in a polyamorous relationship.
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Except he didn't know what the definition of an atheist was. Because she is very clearly an atheist. An atheist is someone who does not believe in a God or Gods. You're seriously delusional.
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@michaelh404 Human rights, legally, only apply to sentient born individuals. We can argue all day whether or not that is moral. But that is the law, and you only have rights because a government says you do.
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@michaelh404 Depends on your definition of morality. But abortion isn't murder by definition so...
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@kinw5548 They are being decided by the parents choices. No doctor forces you to vaccinate. But when you lose access to things like public schooling, thats on you.
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Facts need to be backed up with evidence. He spoke his nonsensical beliefs.
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From an ethical perspective, you don't need meat. A lion does. And you should have a higher moral compass than that. I'm not an ethical vegan, I'm just pointing out their perspective.
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@protector9513 Of course. I understand what the core of the pro-life movement is after, and I wish every child concieved could be loved and cared for. I really think information about safe sex and how to take steps to avoid pregnancy is something that needs to be talked about. Maybe then, we'd see an end to abortion.
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@protector9513 I'm not lucky. I wish I had been aborted. I was subjected to horrific trauma and abuse and I will never live a normal life because of it. Its a fetus, not a baby. And as awful as this may sound, you can't miss something you never had.
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@protector9513 That is only an opinion you hold and not an argument you can make. In situations such as mine, I have met far more people that would have rather been aborted. But that is just my experience, and why I don't use it as an argument. A fetus is a human, if we are talking about humans. A fetus is not a baby is what I said. Tumors have unique DNA as well, and are biologically classified as living. Does that mean I don't have the right to remove them? No. That's the problem with the DNA argument. I do not, personally, think humans are inherently special or valuable. I don't think value is a prescriptive term. And technically, fetus is any unborn mammal. It is life from implantation. But I don't think life should matter, nor do I think life is what we should place value on. I think sentience and personhood far outweighs life.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x We did not have sex education, but the fact that its a consquence means nothing. A consequence for deciding to go out for a drive is getting hit by a vehicle. Consequence just means an effect of something. The point is how you deal with the consequence. The fact that the brain has nothing to do with pregnancy is the entire point. You don't consent to pregnancy because you choose to have sex. So when pregnancy occurs, you choose how to deal with it.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x Yes it is. You lwave every day with the full knowledge that someone else could hit you. Accidents are consequences of driving. That doesn't make it your fault necessarily, but too many people don't bother to learn what words actually means. Pregnancy is exactly the same. Its a risk we take when we have sex. And just like traffic laws, contraception sometimes fails to protect us. So we have methods in place to deal with that outcome (parenthood, adoption or abortion.) You don't have to drive either. Its not a necessity. But we do it because it's enjoyable for us. There is no fullproof method to avoid pregnancy outside of surgery or abstinence. Humans are animals, and the fact ir, most of us desire sexual encounters. To deny these urges is unhealthy and can lead to horrid outcomes. Of course children come from sex. That means literally nothing.
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vinod sharma If only that were actually still true, which it isn't. But no, I didn't support that. Because they were not giving the woman the right to choose to keep it.
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Because they're not first timers specifically because of the way the prison system is set up. We doom them to failure when they get out.
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You have clearly had a privileged life...
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As an atheist, I know I'm not afraid of death. But I also wasn't afraid when I was a Christian.
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Way to just assume we didn't want to be aborted
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As if polyamorous asexual people don't exist...
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The death penalty is 3 times more expensive, is not a deterrent, and does not bring closure which is why most victims do not support it.
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@Spike20024 it's not a deterrent, or crime rates wouldn't be consistently lower in non death penalty states. It's not cheap, as you don't just pay for thye execution, and very few are executed in that manner. Have some found closure? Sure. But that is simply not the majority. Have you ever been affected by violent crime? A majority of victims do not believe that capital punishment will bring them closure.
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@fire9042 It being right is your subjective opinion. I think its wrong to force an unfit mother to give birth. We also don't know that. Guess what another name for a miscarriage is? A self-abortion.
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Because non leathal methods of self defense will work when the assailant has a leathal weapon right? How are those mass stabbings going?
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Vegans or extremists? Because there's a difference.
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@janieswanson2549 I'm not going to have this conversation with you again, because you only believe in veganism in the most strict sense. In which case, no one is vegan so the point is moot. If, however, you are ever open to actually discussing what veganism actually means instead of being literal, I'd be open to discussion.
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@janieswanson2549 The point is moot with you in particular, because you don't understand how language works. So I'm not sure what you want me to say. You'll just use ad hominems and ignore the point anyways. If you'd like to have a discussion, I'm more than open to it.
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@lukanvlogs5498 I never said the accused is innocent, although 1 in 25 people who sit on death row are innocent of the crimes in which they were accused. But, on a moral stance, I believe it's wrong to punish innocent family members for what their relative did. Then again, I'm not against the death penalty for any moral reasons.
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Life is not the issue.
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@crumb Would you say that if she were raped?
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Being with multiple people if it makes you happy when everyone consents is no more selfish than it is possessive to only be with one. Not all polyamorous relationships are open. Most aren't. Don't speak about a topic you know nothing about. I deserve to be happy, just as anyone who is monogamous. The only difference is I fell in love with two men.
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I would love to see the idea of how pro-life people are for better treatment of the poor or fostering when those people are usually conservative who don't want Healthcare access, increased education spending or higher taxes. You honestly sound pro-choice.
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So everyone is gay? Because every honest person is agnostic.
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@fabiomendieta7022 They're not. She's both. An agnostic is the view that a KNOWLEDGE of God's existence cannot be known. An atheist is a lack of BELIEF in a God. She is an atheist. She lacks a belief in a God. Technically, she's also agnostic, as she notes that she doesn't know if a God is real. No one is making anything up. You simply can't be bothered to look up the definitons of words. In all honesty, everyone should be agnostic. It simply means "I don't know"
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@fabiomendieta7022 Do you seriously think you cannot be both atheist and agnostic? Explain to me why. What in the definitions prove him right that she's not an atheist when she absolutely said she didn't believe in God?
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Yes you certainly can. Just depends on who you're buying from.
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Lust only applies if you are sexually attracted to a person. Many people are not. Many people are asexual, yet still feel attraction and pursue relationships. You clearly don't know how love works..
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@chichomrt6459 I very much understand what love is, which is why I've been married as long as I have, and am perfectly stable in my relationship. I understand how complex love is.
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@chichomrt6459 That's fine. You're just wrong. Like...provably wrong. But its your choice.
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Guess where most of those crops go? Livestock feed.
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Hi there! I'm one! She's extremist as hell.
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Imagine calling someone selfish for wanting to do what makes them happy.
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Depends on what you mean by conservative. I'm liberal on social issues like gay marriage and abortion, but conservative on things like guns and economics.
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Because that line of thinking works...
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Or she's been to a really shady one.
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@MrBubz-pq3ck unless it was private
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The number is grossly over exaggerated. Its closer to 37 million. And its fetuses, not babies.
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@ryleejaakkola3352 A fetus is any unborn mammal. It is not solely specific to humans. No, I don't think a fetus is just a "lump of tissue". But it also isn't a sentient human being at the tome most abortions are performed. Also, "sin" only exists to religious people. I think its wrong to knowingly birth a child who will not get the proper care it needs because the mother is ill-equipped.
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@ryleejaakkola3352 I am well aware that anything growing in living. So what? You a vegan? Ever stepped on a bug? Then you've killed "life". Humans are not on a pedestal. Sex is not just for procreation. You'd be surprised how many mothers who abort wanted to keep the baby until the father walked out and their family refused to support them.
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@Humanity Galatica No one person will ever agree on what is collectively good for humanity. Its not good to destroy the individual for a collective, especially when the collective is full enough as is. If you really want to stop abortion, lets treat the causes of why people get abortions. Maybe then we can see an end to it. But stripping away individual rights is not the moral thing to do.
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Two of my best friends are from Mexico. Both are atheists.
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Even if we assume that the fetus has a right to life (which it legally doesn't), its rights cannot infringe on someone else's, like the woman's right to liberty. I am not entitled to your organ, even if your organ is the only thing that would save my life.
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@woobeewooo And I agree. But that sentimentality doesn't apply to abortion.
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Post Malone Did you know you also have to be against assisted euthanasia to be pro life? A lot of people are for that. Making a difference in the world is not an argument. In fact, I could rationalize based on that that having an abortion is good because it prevents people from giving birth to people like Richard Rameriz or Jeffery Dahmer. Sounds stupid huh? Did you ever think that there is no such thing as safe sex? Condoms and birth control fail, and some people can't use either. It's not murder, as it does not fit the definiton of murder. Life is precious, so advocate for helping women financially and emotionally so they don't turn to abortion, instead of outlawing it.
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Post Malone Perhaps they are ending the lives to prevent themselves from neglecting and abusing a child they can't handle. It's not murder, and it never will be. I'm sorry you can't understand why abortions happen.
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Post Malone It's not a baby. It's a fetus. Ever think maybe you're also helping that fetus? Talk to the kids who go everyday saying "I wish I would have been aborted."
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Nothing he said was facts. Facts are things associated with evidence. The issue he had wasn't that he called her agnostic. He said "you're not atheist. You're agnostic." He was wrong. She is an atheist, who also is agnostic, which any honest person is.
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No, we think that people who can and want to get help should. And those who don't should be locked up.
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@SleekCharming I agree. That's why he should be in prison for life. The death penalty has never been a deterrent. It doesn't negate anything.
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@SleekCharming Umm no? I'm a victim, and I abhore revenge.
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@SleekCharming Yeah. That's also the majority however
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No, you become a bigot when you actively try to oppose LGBTQ and try and prevent them from having the same rights you do. You're not a bigot for not agreeing with or believing in LGBTQ
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@cahyadsaputra Last I checked, people still get pregnant using condoms.
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Yeah...except its not. You don't get to change the definitions of words because you don't like something. So what if the fetus is human? Humans don't have inherent value. Oh, also. You're not pro-life if you allow for abortions in rape. That's still pro-choice. And congrats on assuming everyone would WANT to be born, if given the choice. Your privilege is showing...
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@randomperson529 Yeah, actually you did. Because your calling abortion murder. Which its not. Nice to know you would watch a young girl be forced to give birth and suffer physically and mentally. You are actually an awful person.
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@randomperson529 Because abortion doesn not fit the definition of murder. Murder is a legal term. And yes. Lets pretend that everyone who gets pregnant willingly opens their legs, wasn't on birth control, or can even take birth control in the first place. Not being perfect doesn't make you horrible. Fighting against the right of choice over ones body makes you horrible. Also, you can be anti-abortion and be pro-choice.
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@randomperson529 No, its not murder. Murder is strictly a LEGAL term. It has to be against the law by definition to be murder. Is it KILLING? Yes. But killing does not equate to murder in all circumstances. You know what a non-medical term is for a miscarriage? A self-abortion. A fetus being alive harms the mother. Thats why neonatal care is so important. Abortion is horrible, sure. But its also a lesser of two evils.
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@randomperson529 Thats fine, but that doesn't make it murder. Sex is not just about reproduction.
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@randomperson529 And thats why we have abortion. Because thats a violation of women's rights.
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I don't think pro-life people realize there are 44,000 children waiting to be adopted. Line up. There's plenty. Oh wait...families don't want them.
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If only the old man would do that.
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I highly doubt you know what vaccines contain. Because if you did, or had any background in chemistry, you would know how dosages and chemical composition works. The only ignorant one is you.
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We do have a safety net. Its called vaccine court. If you really were a victim of a vaccine, which does occur, you seek compensation. If you did have a severe reaction to a vaccine, it did not give you arthritis. You have juvenile arthritis. That is a genetic condition. No link between JA and vaccines. You having a painful childhood had nothing to do with vaccines. It had to do with your genetics.
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How funny. I don't see pro-lifers adopting either. And they're the ones who want to force children on unfit parents.
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No, its not
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Good thing thats not how the Constitution works.
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Its literally not. In many states, mine included, not only is birth control not free, its not available without a prescription. And on TOP of that, there are millions of women who CANNOT TAKE birth control.
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The Bible says that. You do know that a woman cannot divorce her husband just on the grounds of abuse, right? She is property. And is to be put to death if she gets remarried. That's adultery.
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If only we lived in your pefect utopian world where everyone had access to contraceptives and it was just as easy as "don't have sex."
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Friends with benefits requires sex. You'll find many polycules that don't even have a sexual component. The human brain absolutely can have deep emotional connections with multiple people.
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@kylawiseman3653 In fairness, its not murder because murder has an established definition, to which abortion does not fit under.
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@wifeu6966 Sure, but this ia referring to the United States. Also, no. Because neither the Supreme Court nor the Constitution consider a fetus a person. Because its not.
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@vos8470 As if you didn't use a personal attack by saying those who are poly are childish and insecure? Show me where I attacked you. Right. I didn't. I said that's how it comes across. You know why you won't rebuke me? Because I'm right. And yes, I do think I know more about this than you, since I have been in a polyamorous relationship for almost 11 years. Call me a troll if it makes you feel better. It just shows ignorance and an unwillingness to learn. I'm in a stable and healthy relationship, much more than some monogamous people I know. It can work.
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@peepeepoopoostudios3887 It literally is. Your uterus is yours. When you can show me a fetus that can live outside of the uterus of another individual, you'll have a point.
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Which is actually a good thing to do. Being sympathetic with someone doesn't make them any less criminally responsible, or mean they shouldn't suffer consequences. It just shows that he is an empathetic individual. Nothing wrong with that.
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Because she's taking care of it alone and you're not supporting her. By the way, you don't. You don't want to pay child support? Get a lawyer and have your rights terminated. Or fight for custody.
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@hello-sz7hp But you know abortion isn't murder and that you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion. You just want other people to bend your morals. Also, fetus. Not baby. A fetus that does not care.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Is that a rhetorical question?
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@insert_username1391 It doesn't care because it has no sentience nor capicity to care. Not saying embryonic development is not the beginning stage of life. It is. Yes, I know. And I wish I had been.
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Tell that to the countless innocent people slaughtered by the Catholic Church.
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@nabeelyounis7949 Uhh no. Considering members of the catholic church were tried and some confessed.
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Because it is a right. Right to consent. Right to bodily autonomy. Right to happiness.
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That is not a healthy mindset and leads to people doing disgusting things.
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The autsim rates are rising because we now know what it is and that its a spectrum. There are plenty of reasons to go vaccinated.
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Sam Yaza No one is forcing you to get vaccinated.
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So all military members should die.
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Nobody is mandating vaccines. But you should be held accountable if you hurt someone.
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M No, it still is hypocritical. They took part in a practice they do not support. Thats still hypocrisy.
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M Participation regardless of when it happened still makes it hypocritical.
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It doesn't speak highly of your character when you praise an ignorant, unintelligent asshole.
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Fallacies should have no business in our laws
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An agnostic what? Agnostic itself isn't a position, unless of course, you are a philosophical agnostic. Which would make you an atheist.
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@travisjohnson7065 No, you're right. Killing a child isn't a right. Terminating a fetus, however, is a right. As is the right to decide when you die. So no, pro-life is anti-rights. Specifically, the right to liberty.
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@travisjohnson7065 Which is fine, except that would be a category error. A fetus is not a child. "Baby" and "child" medically and scientifically only apply post utero. Colloquially, yes it would be a child.
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@travisjohnson7065 Nope, the term fetus is indicating age. And even granting full personhood, no one has the right to live off of another.
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@travisjohnson7065 A child post utero does not live off of someone to survive the way a fetus does. Again, your making a category error and trying to use technicalities incorrectly to justify your position. Being self sufficient is not the same as parasitizing someone. Relying on someone is not the same as physically living off of someone else, literally ceasing to exist if something happens to them. To compare the two is dishonest.
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@travisjohnson7065 You're just being intellectually dishonest to justify your position. A child post utero and a fetus' dependency are not the same. Whether or not they deserve to live is subjective and, frankly, irrelevant. You do not have the right to live at the expense of someone else's rights.
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There is no such thing as pro-abortion. That implies that abortion should be the option for all women.
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Nah.
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Salsa Bila You're joking right? You absoutely go to prison for involuntary manslaughter. Its a felony. It just carries a lesser sentence than other forms of homicide.
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Except thats not what it means. It simply means you have a deep love and affection for more than one person. If you want to claim that you can't be in love with multiple people, you need to take a psychology course.
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@JoelWalker56 I did too. Believe it or not, you can be in love with multiple people romantically.
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Nope, not true. I'm an atheist and don't deny that a higher being could exist. I just simply don't believe one does, which is exactly what she said. The old guy is a moron who doesn't understand the fundamental difference between knowledge and belief, nor understands that agnostic is a redundant term that applies to anyone who is honest.
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Your taxpayer money that goes to planned parenthood isn't just for abortion. Not only that, you taxpayer money doesn't even fund abortion unless a woman pays for it using Medicaid, which a majority don't. I have to pay for the people who are on death row. That's not fair to me either. Life isn't fair.
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There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales
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Being atheist doesn't make people anti Christian.
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She's an agnostic atheist. As are most atheists.
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@blankblank5808 Sorry dear. I don't believe in God. So that makes me an atheist
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I'd be intolerable too if the person I was talking to was a total asshole.
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Lizzie Allen You mean those late-term abortions that are nearly always performed for medical reasons? Even that wouldn't make it murder. Murder is a legal term
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Ben- Jamin Truth requires what you are saying to be backed up with facts and evidence. He was spewing beliefs and trying to force everyone to take it as fact.
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Why do you need to have an abortion to support a right to bodily autonomy?
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You're not any more likely to get an STD in a poly relationship that has no cheating than you are in a monogamous one with no cheating.
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Been married for over half a decade and am in a poly relationship. Just depends on what you and you partner (s) want.
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And...that's not the argument.
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@TheQuagmireful1 Only if you are buying the firearm from an FFL dealer or your state has restrictions on private sales.
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@dionakgamer7769 That is because you are buying the gun, at the show, from a dealer. But not just dealers sell at shows. If you are buying the gun from a non-FFL licensed party, then regardless of where you buy it (at a show or on the street) in Texas, there is no mandatory background check. It's considered a private sale, and Texas does not put restrictions on private sales. The seller, if unlicensed, can choose to give a background check, but that is their decision. It is however, not required by law.
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@ChilesSupportTV it is using her to develop its own body and depends on her for survival biologically. She must consent to it doing that.
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Being married to a primary partner doesn't make you monogamous. I'm married to one partner and am still polyamorous. You can be in healthy relationships either way. Fuck off with your ignorance.
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Thats...not something you're born with. That's something that is developed through experience and environment.
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@clarkkent4198 God only contradicts himself if you believe the Bible, which is full of contradictions, is his word.
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Beliefs do not equate to facts
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@lv4628 We can if you would like.
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@lv4628 I can ver well admit I don't know everything and still hold to the notion that a God does not exist. Not that he CAN'T exist. But that he doesn't.
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Every mother also has the right to bodily autonomy and consent. Try seeing what the system in America is like for adoption. Its broken as hell.
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@fMONA94 Very rarely to people have abortions because a child is inconvenient. Abortion is inconvenient. Its a life altering procedure mentally, has to be paid out of pocket, and often comes with social consequences.
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@fMONA94 Adoption is broken, isn't free everywhere and also isn't available at times. I've seen women turned down and told to go elsewhere, even encouragr private adoption, because there is no room.
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@Tannayakillva They're not inherently valuable, but their value comes from the people who they affect.
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Private sales exist for this reason
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@Sleepy Hollow Sin only exists to the religious.
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@Sleepy Hollow Sin only exists in a world where you believe in a God and sin. I have never sinned because I don't believe in a God, therefore sin does not exist. It does not exist outside of a religious context unless you equate it with doing wrong. Question. What happens if your God is wrong? Have you ever considered that?
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How is wanting a choice over what happens to someone's body confusing?
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Forcing a woman who is not prepared for a child thus damning the child to a life of suffering is also a wrong choice.
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Funny, considering the Bible is very much pro-choice.
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@zigzag6728 Sure. Here you go. pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19). By the way, apparently murder is fine when God says it is. Seems like God has a problem staying consistent.
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I doubt ypu know what loyalty means.
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@ThePicasoBlack Ahh, then you are not one of those people who's life has to have ultimate meaning for them to find happiness. That's actually a pleasant surprise. If God is actually all loving, as proposed by many Christians, then he will also welcome me as his child, regardless of whether or not I believe in him. The problem with that logic is that a) there are other planets with life and b) that we evolved and conformed to our world. It did not conform for us. The sun could and has changed positions, and life would still be here. Its really not that miraculous. Gravity changes depending on the mass of an object. It is subject to change. And no it wouldn't, since the Big Bang is not the creation of the universe. Its the expansion of it. There are other prospects. No need to be a condescending asshole. The universe may have always existed. Natural processes could have led to the Big Bang. A God may have created the universe and was destroyed in the process. Or a God may very well exist. The difference is I am not a liar. I do not claim to know the answer. Most religious people do.
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There is no more risk keeping someone on death row than there is keeping someone incarcerated for life. You're projecting and being irrational.
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@MyChannel-eo8ic I'm against the death penalty. That's what we disagree on
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You apparently not only don't know how vaccines work, but do not know how vectors or virus mutations work.
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Dan Smith No one can do that anyways, with or without God. God says rape and genocide are okay, yet society does not. You can find morality in your human ability to feel compassion and empathy for others. You don't need a God for that.
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I don't honestly think you've read the Bible.
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Unfortunately, no.
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A non sentient fetus cannot have a choice as it doesn't comprehend what choice is. No, I know they don't all want to live. Condoms break. Pills fail. And some people cant even use contraception
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Just because I'm an atheist doesn't mean I believe something came from nothing. Why does everything have to have a Creator? That would mean God would also have to have a creator would it not? Its ridiculous to believe in a creator when no evidence for one has been put forward. You are born an atheist.
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Being poly doesn't make you a hoe. Asexual polyamorous people exist.
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No, the death penalty is revenge. If thats the case, you should not have children. You are a danget to people because you cannot control your emotions.
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It is a clump of cells as is all organic matter. Also...no? The heart doesn't form until near the middle of the 2nd trimester. What you are hearing is the nerve tissue that will essentially become the pacemaker for the heart. Also NO?? The BRAIN is what gives life. Without a brain, the heart is absolutely useless. You see some women who are lucky enough to be able to care for their child because they are able to work, or recieve aid. What about the millions of women who don't? How about the women like my mother, who wasn't eligible for welfare, and resorted to doing horrible things to me to get money? You're unrealistic entitlement is, frankly, appaling.
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So, a guess the entire military deserves to die?
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@thamas_420 But your statement is vague. It says "if someone kills".
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Not sure what I did to you...
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@jimmylogan1866 And why do you hate me? Why does my choice not to eat meat and be healthy make you hate me?
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And if that is true, I'm glad Christianity is dying out and the world is becoming more secular.
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Yes. Yes he was. About a lot of things. I'm not being sensitive by calling him what he is. An indoctrinated, rude, dishonest asshole.
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Cheating is to go behind your partner's back. All polyamory is (at least in closed relationships) is a relationship of more than 2 people. How does that translate to only caring about oneself? Also, could the argument not also be made that monogmy is just being controlling or possessive of someone, as if their purpose is to make you happy? Because in the end, only the individual is responsible for their happiness. I fail to see why you are so upset if someone else is in a relationship that makes them happy.
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@Hyyacinth I'm sorry if I seem miserable to you. I like open conversation, and so I respond to people who disagree with me. I don't see how that's miserable. And you still haven't told me how I'm defensive. There is a fine line. A line that is often blurred. And there is no line because "consensual cheating" does not exist. You can't cheat if it's consensual, because the very definition of cheating involves the other partner not knowing. It's a breach of trust.
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Most vegans are normal
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Raa16 No, thats a fact.
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@nolangrimes Uhh no. That's not what atheism or agnosticism is. Agnosticism is the position that knowledge of God in unknowable. Everyone should be agnostic. Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God. You can be both. In fact, most atheists are also agnostic.
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Preaching abstinence has been proven to be ineffective. Humans want to have sex. Its healthy for the body. It isn't just for reproduction.
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You first have to prove God and Satan exist. Which you haven't done.
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@jeffreymicah You have to prove it because you're the one making a claim. I have barely any content on my channel, because I'm not a youtuber.
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Life beginning at conception (or more accurately implantation if we are discussing human life) is irrelevant to the conversation.
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No, I have an issue with the religion itself, not its members. It's the religion that teaches hatred and bigotry. You say a true Christian could never say someone is going to hell, but that goes against your Bible. I can't have an issue with a being I don't believe exists.
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I was a failed abortion and I wish the same as her. My life has been absolutely miserable, and to say we should be happy just because we're alive is just ridiculous. Some people truly hate their lives. We are entitled to the choice of what to do with our bodies before sentience. Humans do not care about life.
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@pontusbeats7567 There isn't. The homicide rate has still dropped in the US in the past years. I mean, yeah. But when most of those statistics are suicides.
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@pontusbeats7567 When a rapist breaks into your house and has pinned you up in a corner. Why do you think the police carry guns? To stop those who are the most dangerous.
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I guess fuck rape victims huh?
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No they can't. And you do know that the animals raised for slaughter don't have "happy" deaths right?
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@nomisseyer9809 It is not a painless death. Especially for meat that is kosherd. They just do their best to make it as quick as possible. Because it can damage the meat. Not out of genuine care for the animal.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Sex can be for reproduction. But that is not the sole purpose of sex. People don't have sex to just reproduce. We're not in the 1800's. The "purpose" of sex is irrelevant except in the context of the people having it. Its not about being surprised that a fetus has implanted. Its about understanding that performing the act of intercourse does not automatically give permission for a zygote to use your uterus. Those are two separate steps.
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@AMC2283 I'm aware. I was commenting on the OP.
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@0786RICARDO Depression is a chemical imbalance in the brain. The way a person who has depression feels is subjective. Its not a grey subject. You either have bodily autonomy or you don't.
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@0786RICARDO That is Jorden Peterson levels of word salad.
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@Humanity Galatica If you're not joking, there is seriously something wrong with you.
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What responsibilities am I escaping from by being polyamorous?
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@realtalkwithphil Even in this context, value and worth are different. Value is not a prescriptive term. Its a descriptive one. One you don't have unless someone or yourself gives it to you.
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Or she's been to a gun show where she's seen private sellers. Those don't require checks in most states.
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Something that has never been proven will never be true until it has been. Stop being intellectually dishonest.
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@kovic199 You say that as if a fetus is capable of caring. Its not. If the outcome is statistically known, then you really have no case.
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@kovic199 Sure and I agree. However, they do not have that ability at the time of most abortions. The line, for me, should be drawn at sentience. No, because I'm not going to be dishonest and call it something it isn't.
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@matt1325 No, because they do not fit the definition of personhood, even though they are sentient. Personhood in humans is define by sentience. Also, no. That is not special pleading. Special pleading would be an exception to a universal principle.
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@matt1325 And I maintain that. There is no set description for "personhood". Its vaguely defined as "the status of being a person". Some philosophers have put forth criteria for personhood such as conciousness, reasoning, and self-awareness, none of which a fetus has before sentience. Personhood to me stems beyond the biological. It involves conciousness and rationality. I also think drawing the line at "life" is hypocritical, as most people don't place their value on life. They place it on how the living thing interacts and bonds with them, whether that be human or animal. Again, even if that was what I was doing (which you know isn't true), that still isn't special pleading.
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@matt1325 That's where you and I have the fundamental disagreement then. I don't think being human makes you special.
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@matt1325 I don't think people don't murder others because humans are special. I think they do it because they're empathetic to those that have a higher cognitive reasoning. I don't murder because I don't think murdering others presses society forward. Other animals are rational, but we don't see them as such. We have death with dignity, the death penalty, slow codes, DNR's and justified killing.
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@matt1325 That's not really true, especially when it comes to domesticated animals. Animals also experience empathy and just because they do not have have the cognition we do doesn't mean they can't or don't feel these things. Our morals evolved with us and are subjective. No, not necessarily, because even as a person, you don't have the right to live off of someone else. Now if there were artificial wombs that the fetus could develop in, then yes.
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@travisjohnson7065 Legally, the unborn do not have a right to life. And even if it did, no one's rights supercede someone else's.
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@travisjohnson7065 As I've argued with you before, morality is subjective. Slavery cannot be compared to abortion. That is a strawman. It is about rights superseding rights. Because to outlaw abortion would put the right to life the fetus possessed over the right of liberty that the mother possesses. That is wrong, in my opinion.
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@travisjohnson7065 It is subjective. And it isn't wrong. The majority of people do not regret their abortion. You're just simply wrong, no matter how you want to be right. It is liberty. No one has the right to anothers organ. It is not my fault that a fetus cannot live outside of my uterus. Just because objective morality doesn't exist does not mean we can't apply subjective morality to an objective framework. I don't think morality is subjective. It is. Nothing objectively tells you killing is wrong.
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You people love just being liars and using emotionally inflammatory words when you know absolutely nothing. Sounds like you need to grow up.
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funsized loca She's an agnostic atheist, but she's still an atheist.
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She doesn't inflict pain on anyone but maybe herself. And thats her right to do.
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Hypoxia is not quick or humane. Its also very painful up to the point of loss of consciousness.
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@brianmi40 Nitrogen hypoxia is not what you described. That would be putting a person in a container of nitrogen. You described oxygen deprived asphyxia, being put in a chamber with oxygen and then having the oxygen depleted. That is not painless.
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No they don't. Depends on who and where you buy it from. I've purchased 3 guns at shows. Never had a background check.
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@loganberlew3191 Then don't. Just proves you don't know the law.
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@loganberlew3191 The laws pertaining to background checks on private sales. I would advise you do YOUR research, since you clearly don't know there is no mandatory background check for private sales.
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Because I fell in love with two people and wanted a relationship with both of them. Why is it so fucked up to be happy?
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How am I selfish for being happy? Monogamous people are possessive.
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@GreyhoundDan Any God that would damn his child to an eternity of suffering for not following him is a dictatorial monster. No crime is worthy of eternal punishment. No it doesn't. It is full of just as many inconsistencies and contradictions as anything else. Parts of the bible, such as the 40 day flood, are just downright lies and have no historical evidence. I cant force myself to believe in something, and its foolish to believe in something with 0 evidence. I was a Christian for over 2 decades and I was miserable and mean to others. You may find it a joy to be an asshole, but i don't.
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Well, it is. Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It refers to private sales at gunshows.
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Cheating requires a lack of consent from the other party involved. Falling in love with multiple people, and wanting to pursue relationships, does not equate to cheating.
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Antonio All fetuses are potentially leathal to the mother. Apparently someone lacks understanding of what the word murder means.
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Antonio I'm not mad. It's fine to have a differing opinion. But you calling an abortion murder is objectively wrong, at least in the United States.
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Its not murder.
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@onnie.6815 No, it would be called killing. Murder is a defined legal term. You cannot murder a cat, because murder only applies to humans. Try looking up the definition of a word before you use it.
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cbfishin. Yeah okay. You both are so far gone.
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cbfishin. No, because he takes his belief as fact. Which it's not.
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@Argonian Merchant And you would be wrong. Lacking the ability to communicate in a way you understand doesn't mean unable to make a conscious choice. We can easily tell when a child is concious.
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Its almost as if all the evidence shows that they do.
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Thats okay. He's on probation and is up for losing his medicl license. He's currently not practicing.
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@scottpe6226 Not according to his offical site. He took a break from practicing, though his clinic is still running, while he sorts out the hit water he's landed himself in. He falsified documents to claim children had medical conditions that prevented them from being vaccinated. He was put on on 35 month probation and now a case has been filied in June of this year that he was supposedly doing it again. If found to be true, he violated his probation and will lose his medical license. Do some research.
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@alitabaker99 They aren't people. Because personhood requires sentience. That's what they meant by potential for life. Being alive in a biological sense doesn't equate to living in the philosophical sense.
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As a person who had an abortion, I absolutely don't regret it. I regret the situation I was put in that caused me to have to make that decision.
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Atheists simply think that you shouldn't believe in something with 0 evidence. Atheists only care about religion when it is used to hurt people.
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I doubt you know what a fact is...
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@gasoline5071 That's like saying its your fault if you get into a car accident because a potential risk of driving is someone hitting you. In both scenarios, you do not consent to your body being used. You have the right to bodily autonomy.
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@gasoline5071 You completely missed the point. Saying that a person must stay pregnant because they performed an act that got them pregnant is no different than saying a person must deal with their own medical treatment should they be in an accident, because they took the risk by driving. The point of bodily autonomy is that you can't force a person to give up their organ, even if it saves a life. You can't force me to give my uterus for a fetus anymore than I can force you to give me your kidney.
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@gasoline5071 Not saving someone's life when you have the opportunity to is killing them. You're just not the one who pulls the trigger. It is not my fault the fetus cannot grow and develop outside my uterus. The fetus dying is an unavoidable circumstance to termination of a pregnancy. Know what's inhumane? Allowing sentient children who can feel and experience to be abused and neglected by unfit parents who cannot care for them.
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You can be in love, have trust, and be loyal if you're polyamorous. It just depends on how your brain is wired. You act as if only one person in the relationship wants multiple partners. But most polyamorous relationships are closed. You're monogamous. Nothing wrong with that.
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Thing is, you dont need a potentially fictional deity to strive to improve yourself and live better.
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Not all polyamorous relationships are open. Most aren't. But imagine calling someone creepy for being different than you.
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@shreyassundaresan4719 Way to show what kind of a nasty, discriminatory person you are. You're a disgusting person. Because someone doesn't live the way you do, you call them vile names.
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@shreyassundaresan4719 The problem is your assumptions are wrong. You can be loyal, trustworthy and respectful and love more than one person.
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@Copyright That is called a fallacious argument. The truth is you only need to meet 2 criteria to be a Christian.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 No, because math is something we prove. Morality however, is somethinfmg we cannot prove.
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Yes you do. Because you have a right to your own body. Safe sex still fails.
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Because everyone ever convicted is actually guilty right?
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@priscillapie Do you not understand that mistakes in evidence happen and people are wrongfully convicted?
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@priscillapie I don't believe the death penalty is practical or beneficial. Evidence can be used to convict people and be wrong. Nothing is worth executing an innocent person.
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No one is dehumanizing fetuses. But they aren't babies. That's not medically accurate. I know their human. But in most abortions, they are not sentient. Except she implied that ALL women feel trauma, when not even MOST women feel trauma. Less than 30% had any severe changes in mental health exceeding the first 6 months to the point that it was diagnosable.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 It does if that thing is a violation of their rights. UNCONSCIOUS IS STILL SENTIENT. By the way, the "less than 30%" is a rough estimate. Its closer to 17%. And those experinces are not everyone, and should not doctate everyone.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You are sentient regardless of your state of consciousness unless you're brain dead. Less than 30 is the estimate. 17 is the closest figure based on data gathered. Do you not understand how estimates work? I like to use the general estimate to give less margin for error, since data may be skewed or unreported. Some studies show higher. Some show lower. Thats why we average.
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God sounds like a tyrant.
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God has never been proven to exist.
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So you hate people wanting to have rights to themselves and the dying want to die on their terms.
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No he wasn't. He was telling her she wasn't an atheist, when she clearly is, and doesn't seem to understand that most atheists are agnostic.
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@FaaduProductions Nice comeback with 0 points.
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By the definition of personhood, you are only not a person if you lack sentience and cognition.
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@aryana7092 Yes.
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Tim Account Tamar: Killing an Undesirable Pregnancy: Genesis 38 Hosea: Progeny of the Rebellious Shall Not be Born: Hosea 9:14, Hosea 13:16 Ripping unborn from the womb 2 Kings: 8:12, 15:16 Sotah: Abortion-Inducing Potion due to Husband’s Jealousy: Numbers 5 Causing a Miscarriage: Mere Property Loss: Exodus 21: 22-25 The Bible is certainly not anti-abortion.
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@parthenon5106 Yes my body, yes my choice. Until the fetus is sentient.
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@Mynameisjoof Anyone who comitted sucide.
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Okay. Then you should be responsible for taking care of me financially, since you took away my consent to pregnancy.
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You can get plenty of protein from vegan foods, so thats not really an argument.
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If hell exists, your God is a monster who demands you follow his, in some cases, genocidal teachings and then punishes you eternally if you question him. That is NOT a deity worth my time or affection. That is a tyrant.
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@showmercytoothers4059 That is a such a strawman...
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Damian Lupe Cahue The problem is most people are pro life solely based on religion. It's extremely difficult to remove the religious aspect.
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An atheist is someone who does not believe in a God.
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Being pro-birth and against the right to bodily autonomy doesn't make you a moral person.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Liking your own comments won't get you anywhere, but that fetus doesn't have rights. Strawmanning the argument won't help you. Rights are held by sentient individuals.
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@Pedro2NR No, a human is killed. That doesn't make something murder. Murder is a legal term with an established definition.
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@Pedro2NR Murder, by definition is unlawful, which abortion is not. So being premeditated, which it is, is irrelevant. I think its moral to do, and morality is subjective. I think its a medical procedure people should have access too. I hope its carefully considered.
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@immortalspartan4421 The fetus didn't do anything, nor does it care what happens to it. All it did was parasitise the person carrying it, and that simply has to be something they can deal with.
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@immortalspartan4421 From a philosophical perspective I agree with you, and it would be amazing if we lived in a world like that. But we don't at this point. From a literal perspective, no. Not everyone has the right to live. And your rights don't supercede that of others.
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@immortalspartan4421 No, they aren't. Personhood is defined by personality, conciousness and sentience. This is not something a fetus has at the time of most abortions.
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@FlamingBasketballClub Call me a clown all you want. Doesn't change facts.
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Sure. I'm down. I think its wrong to strip away rights from sentient people.
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You cant be against something you dont believe in. I'm not against God. I'm against religion.
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@rebeccagossett5122 The bible is not evidence of a God. I was a believer for over 20 years before realizing that believing in something with no evidence is silly.
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Because there's no reason for it to be mentioned. It would just be said that adoption isn't always an option and that the foster care system is already a mess.
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@Humanity Galatica No they aren't. Foster care is any child under the jurisdiction of the state. This is both children removed from homes and those put up for adoption.
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@Humanity Galatica That is...exactly what foster care is. It is a place for parents to either adopt children who don't have parents and where children are placed until their parents can legally get them back. You don't...honestly believe there's a difference right?
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@nmartini22 No, its not. Also, no one kills a baby.
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@nmartini22 Well, thats the honest response. Baby is post utero. Roll your eyes all you want, but don't lie about it to try and spin a narrative.
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@nmartini22 I never denied that. You're absolutely right. However, life isn't where we place value.
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By US federal law, if a pregnant women is murdered when 5 months along or more, the prosecution can consider that a double homicide. Anything purposefully resulting in a fetuses death 5 months along or more carry the same murder charge as anyone, as the federal law acknowledges personhood.
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That's why we have written statements to say exactly what your choice is should a medical accident occur. That is why DNR's and slow codes exist. That is why family has the option to deny medical intervention.
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@Thomas-er9se If its to save a life, they are legally obligated to remove the limb. That is the oath they take as doctors. If you do not want medical intervention, write a will that states that.
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@Thomas-er9se You have bodily autonomy even as a child. Not going to lie. Your questions are not clear, so I can't really answer you.
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Banning guns will not only not dramatically decrease gun crimes, you'll see violent crime rate rise. Why do you think cities that have banned guns see some of the harshest crime? Look at Chicago. Ruled by gangs. It won't. It will only cause guns to become a pandemic, just like BANNED drugs are. You're suggestion simply fuels cartels.
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@aMentalPie Oh. You mean like the UK that now has a massive stabbing and fire bombing issue? Or Australia that has a stabbing problem? Right. Being stabbed, fire bombed, acid attacks...those are so much better than being shot. We don't have a concise definition to a mass shooting. A mass shooting could occur with few injuries and no casualties, but with an excessive amount of ammunition fired. We don't have the shooting problem you think we do.
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@aMentalPie Its not just London. Many cities all across the UK have mass stabbing issues. How about that man in Canada that killed 19 people on a greyhound bus, cannabalizing them? With a HUNTINF KNIFE. Automatic guns have been banned in the US since 1985. The crime rate has been at its lowest in 40 years over the last years. And 61% of those gun statistics? They're suicides. America doesn't have a gun problem. It has a poverty, drug and mental health problem.
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@tylerH_11 All of the above. And I'm sorry, how does that even remotely apply to atheism or hypocrisy?
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@chlorophyll6154 Ted Bundy never escaped prison. He escaped from a jail holding cell and a courthouse. You could at least get your facts straight. Lets see. It doesn't lower the crime rate. Its far too expensive. You risk executing innocent people. And it doesn't bring the dead back. Provides no benefit.
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@DMWBN3 and that's wrong. But at least you can set people free from prison. You can't from death.
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There is no clear definition of love. There's a literal definition, and then everyone's personal.
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Not having sex does not work. Human beings naturally want to have sex. Sex isnt just for procreation. Just because you say it isn't right doesn't mean it isn't. See how easy that around? That fetuses developing body is ATTACHED to its mother and is STEALING the nutrients it needs to develop. It's a parasite that does NOTHING beneficial for the mother. So until it becomes sentient and biologically independent from her, it is her body. You don't have to feel bad. What's sad is you don't feel bad for children in foster care and adoption centers that may never be adopted, or children who have died at the hands of parents from abuse and neglect because mommy couldn't care for me.
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@SnapszDuhh Because that isn't what she said, and him saying that the way he did was being intentionally condescending and manipulative. What would have been respectful is to just ask her to clarify what she meant, not insinuate what she meant.
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That is called "projection" and doesn't make your point valid.
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Sorry that the truth hurts. You are a clump of cells, as is all organic life. Give yourself the value you desire. Don't expect it to be inherent. You're special because you choose to be. Not because you were born special. By the way, most abortions take place before the end of the first trimester.
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@lotus9865 We know it has a creator because we have examples of buildings being created. Creation does not mean existence. The world could have always been here or could have come about by completely natural processes.
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@lotus9865 Evoultion is a fact. Its an undeniable fact. However, evolution doesn't mean there isn't a God.
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No one is telling him to stop voicing his opinions. We're telling him to stop calling them facts and stop being an asshole about it.
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Why? Because her opinion is different from yours?
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Yes. We are. We're mammals.
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@matt1325 No, because a fetus lacks any of the criteria of personhood, other than being a member of the species homo sapians. These characteristics require a (at least partially) developed prefrontal cortex. An animal would be closer in conginition to a person than a fetus would.
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1. That's called a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Catholics are Christians. They are, in fact, the largest denomination of Christianity. If you're trying to make the point that you must be pro-life to be a Christian, you're mistaken. Your Bible is NOT pro-life, making many references to abortions being okay. And it doesn't matter what reason it is, even if that percentage was accurate. Its a woman's bodily autonomy.
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@raycohollis9417 Even if that were true, that doesn't make them non-Christian. You could worship Satan and be a Christian. To argue against the definition of Christianity is just fallacious. I get it. Your protestant. You don't have to believe anything in the Bible other than Jesus being a messiah. Thats all it takes to be a Christian.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 Nope, not true. State homes turn people away and private adoptions cost money. Yes and? No. The fetus doesn't have a right to my uterus without my consent. Its not my fault it can't live outside my uterus.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 No, its for pleasure and reproduction. Abortion is never easy.
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Biased as hell. Atheists actually believe they have more to live for, because I think this one life is the only life I have
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@mathildeyoung1823 Mmm...nope. You don't have a right to anything. Quit being entitled. Your rights only exist because the government says they do. Leave other people alone and treat people how you'd like to be treated. It's none of your business.
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@mathildeyoung1823 I dont think anything has a natural right. Call that pessimistic, but that is reality. I think if you have the means to care for the child, you have loved ones or friends who can help you, or you can put it up for adoption, you should. If you can't, you should not be demonized for having an abortion. That is my opinion.
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Taylor Barrick He's calling her just an agnostic when agnostic is not a stand alone claim. I'm an agnostic atheist, but I'd be pretty pissed off if someone tried to tell me I wasn't an atheist.
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Strawmans abound.
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And what problems does it exactly create?
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We aren't afraid in America. We simply like having the protection there. And less death? London's homicide rate was triple that of NYC's. Not having guns doesn't stop violent people. It allows violent people to do as they wish. A gun simply provides the potential to stop a threat.
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For the same reason Christians are. Because they believe certain things are objective and true.
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@kirklincoln4389 Yes they do. I'm an atheist, and I believe in objective truth. Just not in objective morality.
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@kirklincoln4389 Because there are things in nature that can be proven objectively true through science. Anything related to emotions or morality however, cannot be. Objective truth comes from proven science to atheists like myself.
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@kirklincoln4389 No, of course not. That doesn't mean there's a God
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@kirklincoln4389 The burden of proof is on you. You make the positive claim. Secularism.
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@kirklincoln4389 Secular humanism. I can say something is good or bad by the way it affects people. That's certainly not objective, but it doesn't have to be. "Murder is bad" is not objectively true. Its subjectively true. When it comes to morals, there is no objectivity.
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All relationships are hard, poly or mono.
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The reason its painful is because no one wants to ever make that decision. No one enjoys making the choice to have an abortion. But sometimes we must. And its within our right. Hopefully one day, that choice won't have to be made.
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God mourns every soul that goes to hell? Why? He sends them there in the first place. This God sounds like a monster. A loving being wouldn't cast people into eternal damnation for finite crimes.
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@darinwaynec I don't accept something I have no evidence exists. All I have to do is believe? How do you know that? Your salvation depends on what denomination you belong to. If hell exists, then yes. Your God is a monster. If ANYONE is damned for eternity simply for not believing, thats a tyrant. No crime is worthy of eternal punishment.
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And I'm so excited for you to realize at some point that yoir God probaby isn't real.
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Yeah, gun control works in the UK. Now their homicide rate tripled, and they have people being stabbed and fire bombed. Lets not forget that Canadian man who killed 19 people on a greyhound bus, decapitating and partially eating one of them. Why is being shot the worst thing?
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@anomaloustick4471 Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. You don't get to change the definition of a word to try a fit a narrative that you have. The argument isn't whether or not its a life. That's not arguable. It is. The argument is what's more important, life or sentience? Or is life more important than liberty?
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@anomaloustick4471 Yep. I'm fine with taking life. In fact, I take life every day. I place my value on sentience. When a human is sentient, that's where I draw the line. The choice is not mine to make for what any other woman does with her body.
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Bacteria are made of living cells. So are the animals you eat. You aren't special just because you're human.
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@Humanity Galatica Nope. Humans in general are destructive creatures.
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@Humanity Galatica Because its just mathematically improbable. Not saying it COULDN'T happen, but I would certainly be confident in ssying it won't happen in our lifetime.
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@Humanity Galatica It really isn't when you consider what data we have now and probility.
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@Humanity Galatica That you and I agree on
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Mercury has not been used in most vaccines since 1996. Some strains of the flu vaccine still use thimerosal, but this mercury compound is harmless. Tin has never been used in vaccines. Aluminum is as an adjuvant is some, and you consume aluminum on a daily basis. You're alive because the majority of people around you are vaccinated.
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Billy Dekidd I think believing in something without evidence is ignorant. Prove to me there is an almighty God
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@gavinmckinney4477 Simple. Because on applies to belief (atheism/theism) and one applies to knowledge (agnosticism/gnosticism). These are two different concepts. The general definition of an atheist is simply a person who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Agnosticism refers to the knowledge that the existence of a God cannot be known. That doesn't form a belief. I lack a belief in a God. That makes me an atheist. I don't deny the possibility that a God may exist. That makes me an agnostic.
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@roberthalpin9169 The gun show loophole just refers to the private sales of guns which under law don't require a background check in most states anyway
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No one had died from a vaccine in the states in nearly 30 years and rarely is anyone crippled permanently. You may suffer side effects, just like all medications. By your logic ALL MEDICATION should be destroyed. There is no medicine out there that has never harmed ANYONE. Also, while there is a correlation between certain diseases and vaccines, there is almost never casuation. You're simply a troll looking for attention. I've given it to you. Go back to your bridge.
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@SomeIsBest That, even as a pro-choice woman, I can agree with.
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He was not valid. He was stating his beliefs as fact. That invalidates him.
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Any organic living being is a cluster of cells. We're not special.
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@mydude5150 They are all denominations of Christian's.
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@diamondinthesky4771 If they believe in a higher power or a deity, they're not an atheist. While technically speaking, they would be either atheists or theists, I respect people enough to call them what they want, even if its technically incorrect.
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Because it can easily be shot down.
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That is explained entirely by natural selection and the theory of evoultion. By the way, it's not my job to disprove God. You can't disprove a negative. It is your job to prove God.
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The christians were rude as well, especially the old man
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Çerastes If Hell exists, then no. God doesnt love you. A loving person wouldn't damn you for eternity.
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Çerastes A loving person also wouldn't damn people to eternal punishment for a finite crime.
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@Orinoco Flow No hon. Its ultimately Gods decision who goes to hell. And frankly, if there is a God and a hell, then God is a maniacal, evil, capricious prick.
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@Orinoco Flow You're analogy fails however. Hell is eternal punishment for a finite crime. That is NOT love. For the record, why is disbelief in something a crime? That's not comparable to a substance that inflicts harm to you and others. Yes, you most certainly can blame the father. Because that isn't, based on secular humanism, what a loving parent would do. You simply cannot put SOLE blame on the father. Show me the proof of God. I cannot lose as an atheist. And just as I am now, you were born an atheist. The God of the Bible is a monster, unworthy of my love.
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Kristen Hare He was trying to tell others what they were and stating his beliefs as fact, the proceeded to interrupt and talk over them when they disagreed with him.
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drew2 fast We don't hate him because he's a believer. We hate him because he's an ass who spouts his beliefs as facts and tries to force his religion on others who are not interested.
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drew2 fast There are no facts when it comes to the supernatural. You may look to a God to get over your fear of death, but that doesn't mean it's there. There is no evidence for a God, let alone which God or Gods is/are real
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drew2 fast No, it's not a fact because it can't be proven. I would have no problem converting if the proof was provided to me. There is nothing I believe in that can't be observed and tested upon.
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@MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee Its not a human being. Its a human. Being implies conciousness. There's a difference between a species and a philosophical term.
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We love misplaced sterotypical projection.
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@Leafygreenie Sounds like someone is projecting negativity because they themselves are unhappy.
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@Leafygreenie Well, what else what it mean? Why do you find people who are different than you disgusting? You seem like a reasonable individual.
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@pathal0gical896 No, what he said were beliefs. Facts need to be backed up with evidence. Also, he wasn't kind. He was rude, talked over her, and tried to tell her what she was.
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@pathal0gical896 The Bible is full of contradictions as well as scientific inaccuracies. So that is not evidence. They are not facts. I could then use your argument to say the Qu'ran is evidence of Allah
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@grimftl You can't be both. The be pro-life is to be against abortion. You are not against abortion, therefore you are not pro-life. While I understand what you are trying to say, the definition of the term pro-life is "against abortion and euthanasia". You do not fit that definition.
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I would argue life begins at implantation as opposed to fertilization.
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Statement of fact though.
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And what about those who don't believe in your God?
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@iceblaze3043 Sin only exists to those who are religious.
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@iceblaze3043 You are not living in reality. Your God has no evidence behind it. It is simply a belief you hold. And its funny you should mention flat earth, considering the Bible states the earth is a flat circle.
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@iceblaze3043 I don't know what evidence I would need. But if your God is all knowing, they would know what evidence to show me. Read Isaiah.
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@iceblaze3043 Perhaps. No evidence has been shown to be, so I withhold belief until there is. And no, I wouldn't call that coincidence. I would look for a reason as to why that happened.
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@iceblaze3043 I take no risk as an atheist. I cannot lose. And I do not need a God to live a healthy and joyful life. Thats extremely condescending
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Neither does a choice of life.
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@zahrapirani6622 Neither was making the world a better place by choosing to abort. It certainly is something to think about however.
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Vaccines have nothing to do with an infant mortality rate, nor do we have the higest infant mortality rate of any first world country. No one has died from a vaccine in 30 years.
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I think the opposite.
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@mitjamackenzie1219 You means in terms of the food chain? Tigers, Hyenas, Crocodiles, Komodo dragons, and Bears are a few examples.
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@kingorange7739 And once again, its not murder. By the way, liberty and bodily autonomy are rights.
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@kingorange7739 You do realize that there are different degrees of murder right? They're not all premeditated, but they are all unlawful. You cannot call something murder when it is not unlawful. Otherwise, both the death penalty and war would be murder. So would self defense. Again, a fetus has no rights. Whether or not you agree with that is up to you. If I need a kidney to live, and you have a perfectly healthy kidney, should a doctor be allowed to remove that kidney without consent, since by not donating, you're infringing on my right to life? You seem to know very little about the law.
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@antonbrig5171 An automatic gun? Yes. As those are illegal period. A normal gun? No. Never have I had a background check on any gun I ever purchased from a show. But my guns were purchased privately from a third party seller and did not require one. Those laws are left up to the states.
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@antonbrig5171 Depends entirely on where and who you buy from. You can literally google the law. Licensed dealers are mixed in with private sellers. Some shows have only dealers, and they are obligated by law to give you a background check. No, I haven't done anything illegal. I purchased my guns from a private seller. It's illegal for a licensed dealer to sell a firearm without a background check, and some states may also restrict private sales. This is not the case for the majority of the country.
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@antonbrig5171 Okay. Then let me make this clear. The guns I purchased were from a private seller WHO WAS SELLING at a GUNSHOW. Your point is STILL WRONG.
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Min Y Yeah, most would. Because they cared about the life their child would have instead of whether it was born or not. You could try your hardest and still not be able to properly care for yourself and a child. That's what eventually breaks down into abuse and neglect.
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How are we lucky? Do you know how much money is wasted on death penalty convictions? Nearly 3 times more than a lifer. Besides quell your need for bloodshed and revenge, what does the death penalty offer you? Its more expensive, it doesn't affect crime rates, its not a deterrent. So why do you want it?
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@Humanity Galatica I'm not. The Constitution does.
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How? If polyamorous people are selfish, monogamous people are possessive.
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No one deserves hell because no finite crime is worthy of eternal punishment.
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Tim Account Someone had a complication that was fatal. She died because her selfish mother refused to give her an injection that would have saved her life. And that woman is now serving a 25 year prison sentence. I'm not saying don't do your research. But you should and will be held accountable for your actions when they have negative consequences.
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@Drewstar No, I don't think I am))
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No, because that isn't being honest. Pro-abortion insinuates that you are for every pregnancy to end in abortion, which is only the opinion of anti-natilists. Not pro-choice. In fact, if we were to do that, it would be far more honest to call it pro-choice and anti-choice.
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Its normal to be empathetic, even towards people who cause harm. What does staying angry at a killer do for you? Make you miserable.
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@Creative We would literally have evidence of the hebrews in Egypt, and would certainly have geographic evidence of a 40 day flood. None exists. Even theologians agree these stories are metaphorical.
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While I agree that you shouldn't do drugs, meditation and yoga don't work for everyone-
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@Orinoco Flow I get the distinct feeling both of you assholes do a lot of things that violates Gods word. Because if you didn't, you'd be in prison.
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Çerastes Yeah okay. I could quote you scripture about murdering those who dont believe. But you would just make up some excuse as to why your interpretation is correct.
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Çerastes There are plenty of murder condones in the New testament as well
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Uhhh no. That may be true for some, but actually following the Bible as written would lead on a one way trip to federal prison. Not making up for mistakes or for people you hurt sounds, frankly, disgusting. The fear of damnation for disobedience sounds like the opposite of freedom.
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@camillem3915 No, I didn't take what you said out of context. I just disagree with you. I don't obey him because I don't believe he exists. I think its strange that you love an, in my opinion, immoral being. God is a monster in the bible.
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Sex is more than reproduction, and a person who denies their body that when they need it is damaging. Thats one thing that leads to sexual violence. Please, learn how definitions work and stop strawmanning. Please learn that abortion isn't murder. Please learn that abortion is taking responsibility, just as adoption and motherhood are. It is my right to terminate a pregnancy. My Constitutional right. No one has a right to use my body for anything unless I consent to it. Heartbeat doesn't matter. Brain activity does. If its legal, it can't be murder.
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Umm no? Science begins talking about a life cycle upon ovulation, but pregnancy only begins when a fertilized egg implants into the endometrium.
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The point was you can love multiple partners, just as you "love" multiple friends. It was to draw a comparison on the brains ability to maintain mutiple healthy relationships.
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You're not. You are just on Earth
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@patricktrent7961 Because our parents had sex and did not abort us.
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@patricktrent7961 You believe in gravity. Thats a theory. You believe in conservation of energy. Thats a theory. Many people misunderstand what a scientific theory is. The truth is I don't know. I don't believe we go anywhere. Existence stops when we die. But that is what I think.
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Also interesting to see how the meseals outbreaks started in non-vaccinated communities. Can't imagine why that is. And lets be fair. You should read the inserts on ALL medications.
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1. The right to bare arms should never be amended. 2. A psychological test is unconstitutional. The majority of the population is "mentally unstable" as they have diagnosed mental illnesses. Where does your slippery slope end?
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Okay, well its not cheating. Why not have a conversation with a polyamorous person?
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@narutofan8261 Then have a conversation with me. I'm poly.
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@narutofan8261 Okay. 1. Most poly people usually don't have more than 2 or 3 partners. Its a bit difficult to explain how we love multiple people. We just do. 2. Yes, love is real for me. 3. Yes, I make commitments. 4. One of my partners is asexual, so I only have sex with one. On top of that, sex isn't a big deal in our relationship, though this may not be the same for someone else. 5. What do you define as a friend? Most people in monogamous relationships consider their partner their friend. 6. Multiple partners is only like multiple jobs in the sense that you need to put in the effort to make it work. 7. Polyamorous relationships work because everyone is consenting. Everyone understands that they are loved equally. 8. If someone says you're not good enough, you shouldn't be okay with it. That person doesn't love you. That's true of any relationship.
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There are decades of studies. Do some real research.
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The only way to avoid getting pregnant is to not have sex. Unfortunately, the body wants sex for most people. Its healthy and is about more than reproduction.
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Its literally on the insert.
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No. You are an agnostic non-denominational theist.
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For the same reason you put humans above animals. Sentience and cognition.
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Because food chains are based on trophic levels, of which we are not at the top. We're in the upper middle. Food chains are not scientifically based on what you could eat. They're based on a standardized nutritional need. You would not survive if you ate like a carnivore.
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@MrASMR-lh1yv Probably because they were dealers. Most of the vendors at gun shows here are just other people. Not all. But most.
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@gholland5840 But that is not the case for the majority of states. Tell me how that gun restriction worked for the California high school that got shot up.
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As an atheist I criticize all religion. It's not the people I criticize. We dont shame you for not believing in evolution, but its irritating when you chose to ignore the evidence behind it (such as fossil records and genetics) yet you claim I ignore all the so called evidence for a God (oh which there is none) Technically, a gender is whatever you socially identify as. That's just by definition. There are only 3 sexes male, female and those who are both. If God gives you hope, great. But don't pretend you have evidence. You simply have a belief.
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@PunkShockRock Common ground is awesome. Not all atheists are like that~
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Except you don't in all states. I've never had a background check at a show.
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You can't cheat if everyone consents.
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There has never been evidence to show any connection between the flu vaccine and narcolepsy. It's far more likely that he has an auto-immune condition that was triggered by the flu vaccine. Narcolepsy occurs when the immune system mistakenly attacks parts of the brain that produce hypopcretin, which is the chemical that regulates sleep. Autism is a genetic disorder. The boy was born with autism. However, most people with more severe forms of autism show around the time they get vaccinated. He would have had autism regardless of whether or not he had gotten the MMR vaccine. The reason the NHS denied these cases is because their problems simply weren't caused by a vaccine. Yes, sometimes vaccines can have side effects. But we cannot blame them for things they didn't cause.
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@emilie3657 Yes they do. I'm not sure where you live, but vaccine cases are taken ver seriously over here in the states. That's why we have a vaccine court in place. Correlation does not equal causation. I understand wanting to find something to blame, but in many cases, there is nothing to blame it on. I doubt they "get rid of evidence." There is no evidence to begin with. But people don't like not knowing why their child is suddenly different. They want a scapegoat. I'm sorry, but no. A mother doesn't know her child best especially not when it comes to their anatomy and physiology. And its not weird when you actually know about the disease in question, such as autism. You won't show signs until a certain period. That's how autism works. And for people who know that, it makes perfect sense. The vaccine triggering an auto-immune condition isn't abnormal either. It also isn't fair to say it's the vaccines fault. Because its not. That would be the auto-immune disease's fault. Vaccines don't bring in a lot of money. In fact, they tend to lose money. Being skeptic is never a bad thing, but blaming vaccines is not the answer. Talk to your doctor. They's there to help.
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@williamkelley1971 I'm a girl actually. And I do. I'm an FI for my county. Just because I enjoy the anime style doesnt mean I'm not intelligent. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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@dilloncole2527 Does that apply to rape and incest as well? Because if not, that makes you a hypocrite.
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I disagree.
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Because that won't realistically protect you from a dangerous individual or a crackpot high in drugs.
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@jjjjjjaylon You're an agnostic what? Agnostic is not a stand alone belief unless your talking philosophically. Also, how was she wrong?
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Calvin Dmello He is not right. There is no belief in agnosticism. Agnosticism is a knowledge claim. She is an agnostic, but she is also an atheist.
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@PahubianInfluence666 If I ask you if you believe in a God and your answer is anything other than "yes", you are by definition an atheist. I don't reject the idea of a God. I currently lack a belief in one. You are an atheist colloquially and an agnostic philosophically.
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Tim Account The difference is sentience.
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Abortion is literally a pill and a D&C in most cases. What's horrifying and gruesome is the abuse, neglect and death that occurs at the hands of unfit parents.
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"Almost no man wants a polyamorous relationship" Citation needed. I'm with 2 polyamorous men.
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@crysfawn7067 There are a lot of things atheists believe in. God is just not one of them. That is all an atheist is. It tells you nothing about my other beliefs.
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@IssyFishyy You are using a different definition of faith than you would when talking about religion. That is dishonest as hell.
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@IssyFishyy Nope. Faith in a religious aspect means belief withoit evidence. You're now trying to equate "faith" with "confidence". And no. Both evoultion and the big bang are proven scientific facts. Evoultion happened. Its observed and tested. So is the Big Bang. This is why they're theories. You're dishonest.
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@IssyFishyy Legally, a fetus has no rights. But even if it did, its right to life does not supercede that of its mothers liberty. Period.
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Technically, the animal carcasses in crude oil and natural gas are vegan. Those animals were not willingly killed for that oil. They died millions of years ago naturally.
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Uhhh no. People will get guns. You just prevent the good people from having guns.
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Religion and feelings don't care about facts. Humans ARE animals. Get over it.
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@sauloa1748 Are you mad that you're wrong? By the way, great job on proving you don't know how evoultion works
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@sauloa1748 You do realize evoultion is a proven fact correct? Or are you that deep in cognitive dissonance
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Nope not true. Private sales in most of the country don't need a background check.
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@zachman5150 My whole point is that parasites do not have to be different species from each other to be considered parasites. I have no idea where that lie started, but it isn't true. I didn't say anything about a fetus being a parasite to its mother. Maybe don't make assumptions.
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@zachman5150 I mean, I'm a biologist so I only know what I was taught. They do exist, but I personally don't agree with that perception. This has nothing to do with a fetus being a parasite. My only point was that parasites can be the same species.
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Playing devil's advocate, most vegans (even ethical ones) are pro-choice. The issue vegans raise with "life" has more to do the sentience, and the somewhat hypocritcal heriarchy of life. Most ethical vegans I know think that if you don't need to take a sentient life to be happy and healthy, then morally you shouldn't. But it has more to do with sentience, something a fetus does not have at the time of most abortions.
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Yeah, and places in Europe have a huge stabbing problem. Because thats so much better.
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Austin Weichman And how is that? Because they don't believe in God? You could make the same argument for the Christians.
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And that should be everyone, which is why agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Its not a belief system.
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Where are you getting 6 months? The earliest realease is 18 months and it could take longer.
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Tamang Tman And what happens when the adoption system turns them away? See, if you reformed the adoptions so that they weren't broken, I'd support you. But thyre broken to shit. I understand why women have abortions. You people think Its because she doesn't want it. That's not true
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Aries 90 Because they care more about the quality of life they can give their child. Listen, I've known women who have had abortions. Not one of them wishes they couldn't have kept their child. Hell, I even took on my friends two children because while she got help. I do believe in precautions. I do believe in being safe. I do believe into looking into every major option before considering an abortion. But when everything else failed, those women realized that if they couldn't care for themselves, how could they care for a child? If you focused your energy on treating the root causes of why women have abortions: lack of access to birth control, counseling for men so they don't walk out, financial help, mental illness, help for foster homes and adoption agencies and getting treatment for addiction instead of just going to jail; I think you would see abortion rates decline. Treating the symptoms and not the problem will never end abortion.
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Aries 90 No problem. See? I'm not a psycho who just wants to see unborns die lol. I hope to one day live in a world where abortion no longer happens.
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I can't. Because nothing I say will change your mind. It doesn't matter if I say I'm committed or in love. You'll just say I can't be committed to two people. Circular arguments won't solve anything.
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@christophervibe7430 The fact that you made that claim proves you've never studied psychology nor medicine. Because it does happen. All of the time.
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@christophervibe7430 You don't lose someone if you have open communication about the fact that your polyamorous. You have issues when you're poly, but you have a partner that wants a monogamous relationship. The brain works differently for every person, so forgive me, but I don't believe you've studied psychology at any length, or you've studied psychology that is no longer supported by the scientific community. If intimacy was inherently so strong, no one would cheat. That is not reality. Commitment and love can fade over time, or could not truly be there in the first place. I don't have two partners because one fills a need the other doesn't. I have two partners because I fell in love with two people. You don't have to believe in polyamorous relationships. That doesn't make it any less real or factual. I do not control who I'm attracted to. Facts don't care about your feelings. That's no different than saying people aren't born gay or trans. People are born attracted to whoever they're attracted to. I can't choose to fall out of love with my partners anymore than I can choose to fall in love with a woman.
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@christophervibe7430 Not true. That's actually been proven. The act of falling in love can be shown on a brain scan.
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@christophervibe7430 Except you can be in love with multiple people. The act of being in love is literally something we can measure. For you to argue that it isn't possible is just not a reality. No, you don't. Because if you did, you would know that it is possible for someone to fall in love with multiple people. People cheat for a number of reasons. Desire, lack of communication, physical attraction, emotional detachment etc. Cheating isn't just sleeping with someone who isn't your partner. You can have all the communication in the world, and the desire to be with someone can still peter out. I am well aware it takes work. But that work could still not be enough. The point I was making is that I cannot change the fact that I'm polyamorous anymore than I can change the fact that I'm straight. Its not a choice. You fall in love with who you fall in love with. I know many same sex polyamorous people, as I know many monogamous same sex people. No, just because someone is attractive doesn't mean your attracted to them. There are many men that are arguably attractive that I have 0 attraction to. You don't want to get into a relationship with another girl because you haven't fallen in love with anyone else. You are monogamous. That's fine. I'm not. I value my partners as well. I'm intimate with them, and you arguing that you aren't born poly is no different than arguing that you aren't born gay. Falling in love and dating multiple people makes you poly. It exists and it can work.
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@christophervibe7430 No, no one has to get jealous. Believe it or not, not all humans experience jealousy. No one gets the short end of the stick. I'm sorry that you don't understand how polyamorous relationships work. I have studied psychology. It was my career for a while. Your comments prove you haven't.
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@christophervibe7430 Its not different. Its a sexual preference. Unless you're saying you acting out on that attraction is a choice. In which case, so is being in any relationship. I did not choose to fall in love with two people. Stop saying I did. It has nothing to do with DNA. It has to do with how the brain is wired. Being polyamorous doesn't make you a cheater.
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@christophervibe7430 Kinda hard to lose what you don't apparently have. But in all seriousness, I don't actually think you're uneducated. Really, I don't. I just don't think you're as up to date on psychology as you think you are. I don't choose to love two people. I choose to be in a relationship with two people I fell in love with.
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@christophervibe7430 And I think its wrong to be a bigot. But if that's what works for you, than that's you.
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That's because this takes place in the US. The predominant religion here is Christianity.
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Anthony Olson No I don't believe in a higher power. I am an agnostic atheist. I can't prove a God does or does not exist, but I don't believe in one. Atheism only deals with the existence of a God or Gods. Has nothing to do with the supernatural.
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@TheCapedCognition You can't force yourself to "love life" if you live a life that is full of downs without experiencing many ups. Why should I have to appreciate life? Something I didn't get the choice in having. You sound condescending and privileged.
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@TheCapedCognition When you literally tell someone who has been tortured almost their entire life that they should be grateful to be alive, you come off as privileged. I don't consider myself pathetic. I have simply had experiences that you have not, and that gives me my attitude on life. The fact that you can say that "its possible for everyone to appreciate life" can only tell me you have not experienced the trauma I have or that you are able to handle it better than I can. Because that statement is absolutely false. I can never appreciate life, because I can't force myself to believe that any happiness life brings me was worth the amount of suffering I endured. Help will never fix the past. I cannot heal. And all I ask is that you understand that. Death is not, and will never, be worse than suffering.
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Accusing someone of being hateful when they are and are using religion as an excuse is not bigotry. Thats honesty. Bigotry is being intolerant of someone because their opinions are different. They don't dislike you. They dislike the hatred that you show towards them simply because of who they are.
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"I believe taking away a life is bad". Says the person who follows a religion who's book literally tells you to kill people who dont believe in God.
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@alanadelarosa1868 I can't tell if you're sarcastic or just psychotic.
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Yeah okay. Tell that to the criminal when they've got a gun to your head.
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Depends on geography.
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@nathantaylor4812 You made that statistic up. Your homicide rate tripled while the US has seen its lowest crime rate in 40 years. Its not a regular thing over here. You're more likely to be run over. London on 3 different occasions had a higher homicide rate than NYC. You're much more likely to survive being shot than being stabbed.
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Well, if God is omnipotent, then it WOULD be all God's fault. He set you up to fail.
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The cows and pigs you slaughter for food are living organisms. Should vegetarianism or veganism be mandated by law? What your implying is the right to life supercedes consent. In that case, I should have a right to take your vital organs without consent because you won't die and I need them to live. Thats not the way our laws work.
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A dead carpenter that may not have even existed can't love me.
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Not necessarily. Everyone is different.
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@travisjohnson7065 Then you'd be wrong and really should stop speaking on a topic you know nothing about to try a justify a position that you hold. Because you refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are people out there that actually would have chosen to be aborted.
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Please never work in the criminal justice system.
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So how come my morality is superior to God's?
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@IssyFishyy I was making the point that if tbe Biblical God is true, then my morality is superior because I think rape, slavery and genocide is wrong and God does not. It was word games
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@IssyFishyy Just because its subjective doesn't mean it can't be superior. Its just that the superiority would also ne subjective.
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The Whale Bear Humans are animals you dingbat. That still doesn't make it murder. Your own definition stated "UNLAWFUL" which abortion is not. Check your definitons
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Not necessarily.
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@user-pw2of2lp9s Not true. Private sellers sell both inside and outside of shows. They are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. I'd advise you learn the difference between federal and state laws.
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God has never been proven to exist. And it is my choice, as it is my body the fetus is using to grow and develop.
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Getting a vaccine doesn't necessarily mean you will never get the virus. It just allows your body to be able to fight off the virus. By the way, you probably had shingles if you were vaccinated, which is caused by the varicella virus. Pretty much "adult chickenpox".
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Bruce Williamson Kinda hard to make a conscious choice without a functioning brain.
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How is being happy selfish? Polyamory is selfish the same way monogamy is possessive.
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Maybe because people have actually lived it? You should have a right to die as much as you have a right to live. There are plenty of things worse than death, but you wouldn't understand if you've never been through it. Many people out there would choose death over a miserable and painful existence.
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Since when does any medical profession judge life based on a heartbeat? We use brain activity.
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Snow Flake We don't judge anything based on life. We judge it based on sentience. It is literally impossible for you to exist without taking life.
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Snow Flake Its funny you should bring up organ donation, as you are trying to take away the right to one's own organs. Guess what? The next of kin for a dead person can have a doctor take that person's organs unless that person had a will specifically saying they didn't want their organs donated, even if that person was not an organ donor. So you're first argument falls apart. Actually, you do have to be sentient (at one point) to have legal Constitutional rights, because a fetus does not have personhood until that time. Your right to life cannot infringe on another person's liberty. I can't take a kidney from you just to save my life. You have to CONSENT for the procedure. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are your basic human rights, and they are EQUAL. You are operating under an OPINION that life has inherent value. That is simply your worldview. It is not a fact. I, for instance, don't think life has inherent value. Value is only understood in the context of the person who is giving the term. Its descriptive, not prescriptive. Abortion is a constitutional right that will never be overturned. Period. You've been trying for 40 years. Then you aren't pro-life by definition. Pro-life is against abortion regardless of circumstances. That would make you a hypocrite. If humans are inherently valuable, how does that fetus lose that value or that "right to life" just because it's conceived through rape? Then move. Move to a country that doesn't allow abortion. Because you will NEVER overturn it in the US. It is a CONSTITUTIONAL right.
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For some, its not difficult to not have sex. But for others, ignoring their libido is damaging to their physical and mental health. This is why some people commit sexual violence. Because they have been told they must ignore that urge. There's no issue with men deciding laws. There is an issue though with men (really anyone) trying to take bodily autonomy rights away. When it gains sentience, usually around 12 to 13 weeks. Long after 96% of abortions.
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There are many people advocating the total eradication of guns. You already cannot buy an automatic weapon without a level 4 license, and how do you decide who gets guns and who doesn't?
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Well, if we want to be technical the food chain itself is a man-made concept designed to show what happens in nature. Also, we're not at the top. We're in the middle.
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2 reasons. 1, because pro-life doesn't just refer to abortions. Being pro-life also means your against assisted suicide, which I think is pretty shitty to deny someone a right to die. 2. Because a fetus is not sentient and the mother is. Her needs come first. That fetus doesn't care, so why do you? You cannot miss something you never had, and there are worse things than death.
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@Cryax2 Assisted suicide is part of being pro-life or pro-choice. You are against assisted suicide by definition if you are pro-life. So here's a fun fact. I'm a failed abortion. My mother tried to abort me. And despite my accomplishments in life, I absolutely would not have cared if I was aborted or not. Then again, I do not speak for everyone. There are people in this world who suffer because their mothers were guilted into having them. Raised in a cycle of abuse and neglect. They have no future now. Because of people like you. And frankly, I find that disgusting. Abortion should be a last resort. But the choice should be there. Because it is vile to only care that a child is born, and not about what type of life it will have.
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@XXLaLa8623 If you're trying to claim that a fetus can feel pain when it develops a fetal heartbeat, you're extremely uneducated.
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@andyscott15 Thats true according to the Bible. And judgement depends on what sect of Christianity you belong to
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@REF_1.34 I find it incredibly hard to believe that you would save a human stranger over a pet you loved and cherished.
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Considering mass shootings don't happen in places where everyone owns a gun, I'd say your incorrect.
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No. But not mostly for moral reasons. I'm against capital punishment for the same reason I'm pro choice. Practicality. Also, theres a difference between a fetus (when it isnt sentient) and a convict (who is sentient)
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I have no problem with what anyone chooses to eat.
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@janieswanson2549 While you are correct in saying that LCD screens usually contain animal products, no vegan would consider this reasonable. Medication isn't vegan, but any reasonable vegan would make exceptions for necessity. You're, at this point, arguing semantics. Electricity isn't vegan. Yet its a necessity unless you live in a farm area. Your really reaching here.
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@AnirudhPoranki Not nearly as low as you are led to believe. 3 women I personally work with for pregnant on birth control. And that's not taking into account people, like myself, who cannot use birth control. I don't base the legality of abortions on failure of birth control. I base it based on what happens statistically to children in abusive homes
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Lana Wana Humans have sex and birth control is not always available, viable or doesn't work. You're basically saying I have no right over what happens in my body. Good thing that is not your decision to make It's not about life. It's about sentience. If life plays a role, you better be a vegan.
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Larissa Sharp What she was saying was you aren't born valuable. Intrinsic value. You are valuable because the life you live and the experiences you have are uniquely your own. Thats what gives your life value. That isn't something you're born with. I don't believe in a divine being because there is no evidence for one, let alone which one is the right one. I don't need a deity to solve my problems. That seems lazy. There's no problem with believing that. Just don't force it on others.
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No they don't. They do not have brains.
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Ken Shiloh I do not need a God to tell me what is right and wrong. I can judge for myself based on how my actions affect others. Besides, if the Bible is your source of morality, you belong in a prison cell.
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Most vegans however, are not like her.
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@radachelkollie4048 The Bible? You mean the book full of factual inaccuracies, completely debunked stories, and questionable morality at BEST? Yeah no...that's circular reasoning. The fact is, you believe in God because you were a) raised to b) fear death or c) feel that God goves you ultimate purpose. None of these are bad. But none of these prove a God's existence.
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10 LMS Except evoultion has been proven. Evoultion doesn't mean a God doesn't exist by the way. The difference between us is that I am not a liar. I admit I don't know. You claim to know something you can't possibly know.
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Your fists are weapons. So...cut off all people's hands?
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Well I mean...lets not pretend the Bible and the History of Christianity is not filled with death.
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@jianalinksydo1542 Eternal damnation is the right thing to do? That's sick and twisted.
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"Autonomous with its own heartbeat" which is entirely controlled by the mother. So how is that autonomous?
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That would be unconstitutional. You can't deny me my right to bear arms or my right to privacy because I have mental illness.
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@rebekahsharp853 An atheist makes no claim to the knowledge of whether or not there is or isnt a God. An atheist lacks a belief in a God. Lack of or disbelief in something is NOT asserting the claim that that thing is not or could not be real.
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Veganism certainly helped me get healthy. I had so many intestinal problems eating meat. But, I know that my diet is not for everyone.
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But pro-life people are anti-choice. They do not want to give women the right to abort nor do they want to give the dying the choice to die on their terms.
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Waiting to have sex until marriage is terrible advice.
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On the ethical side of veganism, its not about life. Its about sentience.
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Being atheistic is not foolish
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@jacobs3671 Not true. Many atheists are agnostic and don't deny a God might exist. They simply don't believe in one.
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@frog6468 And...if the condom fails, do you suddenly consent to pregnancy?
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Ryan Pricer That's true. And I am all for abstinence if you can be abstinent. However, there are so many reasons why that just doesn't work. Sex isn't some black and white issue where its just have it/don't.
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@rockbeauty3439 We have a prototype Ebola vaccine now.
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The background check refers to the fact that private sellers trade and sell at gun shows, and you dont need a background check on private sales.
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Wouldn't be an accurate title.
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Because people don't get proper education and forcing your sexual needs down is unhealthy.
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As an abortion survivor, I am entirely pro-choice. My mother tried to abort me, and it failed. I grew up miserable. By the way, try finding a doctor who will give you a hysterectomy when you're young. You won't, because they'll rarely do it for non medical reasons. PS: Don't be a hypocrite. Stable women make up a small sliver of abortions. Most abortions are young emotionally, financially or physically unstable women who have no one to help them.
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That's called Pascals Wager. And it's the stupidest and weakest argument.
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You will never be ready. And you won't learn that until you're pregnant. By the way, thats not an unpopular opinion. Most pro-choicers believe in abstinence for as long as possible and then safe intercourse.
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@huh5007 Ahh thats okay. Most people don't. Even us as vegans forget sometimes lol.
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Yes you can.
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@deathlike13 Because I just don't feel jealous.
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@deathlike13 I don't need to be fulfilled. I'm fulfilled enough on my own. I just fell in love with two amazing men. I love them and my children more than anything in this world. My children love their fathers and they are happy and healthy.
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@deathlike13 My kids know my husband is their biological father, but view both of my partners as their dad. Kids will always be bullied.
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@deathlike13 So I'm selfish because I have two men that are damn good fathers who my children both consider fathers, especially since I work a job that I'm always on call for? Its no offensive. Its just wrong. I know my children will be bullied, whether it's for having two fathers or because of something else. The best thing I can do is prepare and teach them how to handle it. That's what a parent does.
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@deathlike13 I care that they get bullied. If I didn't, I wouldn't bother trying to teach them to be prepared for it. I just know I can't stop them from being bullied for something. You don't want to understand, nor do you want to admit that someone who is poly has a healthy and happy family relationship.
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@deathlike13 Except it can. My relationship isn't protrayed in this video. This is OPEN relationships. Mine isn't open. My kids are very well loved, and are happy and healthy, which is more than I can say about some "monogamous" parents.
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@Cynthiagirouard No. I'm with two consenting partners who both live with me.
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@deathlike13 Well I'm sorry. I had no idea that video existed, and on top of that, every relationship is different. My kids are happy. I'm happy. My partners are happy. That's all that matters to me.
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@deathlike13 And they have yet to be "messed up" just becausr I'm with two people. In fact, you're more likely to find a child "messed up" because their parents got divorced, which is 3 times higher in monogamous relationships. Just because I'm poly doesn't mean my kids don't come first.
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And yet, no one has ever escaped a max federal prison.
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Gotta prove there's a God and heaven first. Also no. He didn't make 2 genders.
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Ariel If Hell exists, than God is neither fair nor merciful. He is a tyrannical monster. The universe is only proof that the universe exists. No the old man isn't correct. He's being an asshole, and that behavior is why your religion is dying out. Holier than thou attitude is exactly what turns potentially interested people into atheists.
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Ariel A loving being wouldn't punish a finite sin with infinite punishment.
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RightWingKing Morality is subjective. The fetus is incapable of feeling or caring until a certain point. Most, if not none, decide to just get an abortion.
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Good things facts don't care about your feelings. Abortion is not murder. Thats a fact. Not an opinion.
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People always forgetting that some of those women were failed abortions or grew up without parents who loved them and know the struggles. Life is a privilege. Everything is a privilege. You have no natural rights. Why don't you people care about the children after they're born?
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@parthenon5106 Because he wouldn't be pro-life if he did. He could argue that, but I could easily debunk him.
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@parthenon5106 Because he doesn't or, once again, he wouldn't be pro-life. That's an accurate inference. The same people who are pro-life don't want their taxes to go into healthcare, education or help for unfit mothers. You can be pro-choice and still think abortion is wrong in a general sense. Pro-choice doesn't eliminate the other options of motherhood, adoption, contraception or abstinence. Because if he cared about children after they were born, he would be willing to see the opposite side, which he clearly isn't. You people don't even begin to consider why abortion occurs. So no, I don't believe anyone who claims to be pro-life cares about children after birth, nor do I think they care about others rights.
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Thats a flat out lie. Autism is genetic. Your child will have it before birth.
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Yeah, and they have horrid problems with crime. You know something funny? Mass shootings happen in gun free zones. You have a better chance of being run over or struck by lightning than you do being killed in a shooting.
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That sounds like biased opinions rather than facts.
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@JD-kq1he No, thats not how a polyamorous relationship works. You are confusing polyamorous with open. Polyamorous relationships only allow certain people in, and those people are loyal to each other. There is no risk of getting a sexually transmitted disease if you and your partners are clean, unless someone is cheating. STDS do not just appear from sex.
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Calling God a monster and evil is just accurate, if the Bible is indeed his word. If he really wanted me to believe in him, he wouldn't be so pety as to not show me evidence simply because I called him a name. I don't hate God. Its physically impossible for me to hate something I do not believe in. I hate what religion can do to people, not religious people themselves. You don't need a God to be at peace. Not having a God doesn't mean you're miserable.
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Not at all. Congrats on not supporting people's right to die and right to autonomy.
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There is no such thing as 100% undeniable evidence.
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Lets have knives and molotovs instead.
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@sladegrey9272 I would also like to point out that the Bible clearly states that a woman is property, and domestic violence is actually NOT a reason for a woman to divorce her husband. So by God's standards, her father was right. AND if she remarried, that would be adultery. Punished by death.
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Adoption may not be an option. There are 44,000 children waiting to be adopted every day.
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I'm a dietary vegan. I went vegan simply because its healthier for me.
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No, most women typically find out their pregnant between 5 to 7 weeks. Still just a cluster of cells, just like all organic life. Still her choice to abort it.
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No state law claims that unlawful termination of a pregnancy is a homicide. Some states do consider the death of a fetus to be homicide based on the mitigating circumstances of the mother. I could grant life beginning at conception amd still argue for pro-choice.
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What is your definition of "natural?" Natural, by definition, means "occurring in nature." That would absolutely make polyamory natural, even if it is no longer common amongst humans. Just because you've never seen it work doesn't mean it doesn't. It may not have worked with you because you were not poly.
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Medical malpractice isn't even in the top 10 leading causes of death. Get real.
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Because condoms are 100% effective right?
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@blaecccuebbler7711 That is not the only purpose of sex. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. That's why abortions are available.
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There is no vitamin aside from B12 that you get in meat that you cannot get in a vegan diet. B12 can be added to rice, soy and almond milk. I don't care what you eat, but there is no reason to eat meat.
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No, he was stating his opinions as facts, and no. That's not what an atheist an agnostic is. Everyone is, or should be agnostic. It's a knowledge claim based on whether or not a God exists. Atheists dont believe in a deity because one has yet to be proven. Most atheists are agnostic.
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Not really. You're projecting.
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Yes you can. It's a procedure done after a woman takes the abortion pill. It's called an APR
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@clarakorfmacher7394 That is absoutely not true. While it's very rarely used, it has been confirmed. That being said, I'm pro choice and dont really care what people do with their own lives as long as their not harming a sentient human
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@clarakorfmacher7394 You can google it as well, but it really doesn't matter. I dont care what people do when the fetus isnt sentient
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@clarakorfmacher7394 Its not incorrect bullshit. The reason I said I didn't care is because nothing I say or provide you will change your mind. The study is still up. Not only that, I'm a product of the ADR procedure. So I know on some level, it does work.
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You mean by saving an animal over a human? That's not first degree murder...
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Your comment is true, but only if we are dealing with a philosophical conversation. Knowledge does not have to equate with belief, because you do not need to believe in something if you know it to be true. On your astrology claim, are you claiming there's no categpry because we don't have a term to describe these people as we do with atheists? And where do you get the idea that atheists "claim nothing?" Atheism isn't a claim.
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@annenextdoor612 You can't choose whether or not you get pregnant. That is not only ridiculous, but a flat out harmful lie. I'm glad your country works like that. The US does not. But if you're trying to say that you can't get pregnant from rape, that is a fucked up lie.
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@annenextdoor612 I am well aware that it takes time for the egg to fertilize and implant. But even if you seek help after rape, nothing is sometimes done. The morning after pill is something not available everywhere. That was my original point. Rape goes unhelped as well, even if you go to the ER. Also, you do know that the morning after pill can fail right? Sex ed depends on where you live. My school personally didn't teach it.
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@zweinhanderhiruzen9811 Not all of us have an interest in sex or find people sexually attractive. Asexuality is just another sexual orientation. There is nothing wrong with me. I don't really care about being an ideal human being. I was ideal enough for someone to marry so...
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Show the evidence then.
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@CrackBeaver I don't think he's lying. I think he sees things he can't explain and attributes it to God.
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@gamingcomedyx9234 Facts are backed by evidence. They aren't facts in any capacity.
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KarnRulez So committing mass genocide because the Bible told you too is perfectly fine? Harrassing and abusing others because they don't agree with you is okay? That's fucked up.
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@LavaCreeperPeople Considering gender is a sociological concept, changing is absolutely is possible. Because its not defined biologically. You clearly not only failed biology, but sociology as well.
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@gagewesterhouse9558 Yes it is true. Because you fail to take into account the illegal abortions that took place before Roe Vs. Wade.
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Thats not the issue, on the moral aspect at least
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Polyamorous does't mean sex with multiple people. You can be polyamorous and asexual. A friend and a partner are not the same thing.
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You aren't coming from a moral standpoint. You're coming from a religions one, since you clearly mentioned God. Go and try to find a doctor who will tie your tubes before your mid 30's unless you have medical problems. You won't find one.
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Everyone should be agnostic. It's not a stand alone claim.
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But there are guns, so...
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Thats a right because we understand we can't always rely on others for aid nor can we always trust the government. Don't like it? Don't live here.
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@xthunderstonex6873 It doesn't matter if its alive. Thats not the issue, and really shouldn't be the issue even morally. You have no problem with taking life.
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@ironelite6914 Gender has always been a social construct. Regardless of what you want to think. At one point in time, every baby was referred to as "girl", regardless of the sex. You won't change facts simply by denying it.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x Because child by definition would be post utero, so it isn't a child. Its a fetus. The heartbeat you described is in no way what you think it is. A fetal heartbeat can't even be heard. Only seen. Its just the nerve endings that will eventually become the pacemaker. I never said the fetus doesn't die. But we don't define death on a heartbeat. We define it based on brain activity. In reality, all the heart is is a blood pump. Killing doesn't make something murder.
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No rational atheist believes the world happened by chance. You wishing for a God to have created it all does not make it factual. In fact, the higher up you go in the education ladder, the less religious you are.
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@drakkar_night3346 That condom myth is way over stated. They're more between 87 and 92% effective. And you completely ignored the fact that some women cannot get an IUD or cannot take birth control. No your right. I just have a masters in Biology and understand that this issue goes a lot deeper than "don't have sex". Your reading comprehension is lacking.
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@Humanity Galatica No, I'm just well versed in how negative thinking affects behavior, since that is my profession. I, myself, am asexual, and have no problem with abstinence because I do not get aroused.
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@filthyvibes4768 Nothing needs to be done. We don't have a gun problem. We have a poverty and untreated mental illness problem.
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Doesn't make it practical to execute them.
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Just because someone did something wrong doesn't make them inhuman. You're now throwing the criminals side out the window. Its important to consider what may have driven a person to do something like that. Everyone considers the family and the victim. Quit pretending they don't.
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No such thing as a post birth abortion.
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Thats projection if I've ever seen it.
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A dead man can't love, and no. He really wasn't.
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It's not close minded to not believe in something that has not been proven, nor is it close minded to define your life based on the only life you KNOW you have. What's closed minded is refusing to admit that there MIGHT NOT be anything afterwords. That's delusional and wishful thinking.
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@masterchief4189 Sin itself doesn't exist unless you are religious.
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Murder is murder. But abortion isn't murder. Its a constitutional right.
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@jim carroll No. Its not. Murder has an established definition, which abortion does not fit under. God, if one exists, is certainly not against abortion. He actively performed it against both the Israelites and the Samarians. I don't believe in a God, a soul or an afterlife, so your preaching doesn't mean anything to me
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@ChanellMusic You don't have to be on the left to be pro women's rights. If I no longer have a right to my uterus, then you should be forced to donate organs and blood to people.
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Yes, next time your house is being robbed, call the police and tell them to use the non-lethal bullets. See how long you last.
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No. Its a summary of why you should avoid extremism.
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@CandyWorld30 If DNA determines what species something is, then what species are tumors? Tumors are living cells with different DNA from the host, so by your logic, they can't be removed. If its a seperate being, why does it die if its removed from the uterus? Because the two are biologically inseparable. Even if we granted a fetus rights, those rights stop where anothers starts. A fetus does not have the right to use someone's uterus without the consent of the person with said uterus. That doesn't make it any less human, but being human and alive is irrelevant.
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@CandyWorld30 DNA in tumors is never the same as its host. That's the point of being a mutation. Tumors have seperate DNA from their hosts, so if that is your argument for a fetus, its just as valid for a tumor. Tumors have less identical DNA of the person they're attached to than a fetus does. Your argument falls apart. It doesn't matter that its human. If its a seperate human, why does it die if removed from the uterus? Because it can't be seperated. I urge you to take a biology class.
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@CandyWorld30 I'm sorry, but it absolutely does. You do not get to live at a person's expense. It's really that simple. I'm not here to debate if abortion is okay, because you and I will never see eye to eye on that. Abortion is not a moral issue for me, and it is for you. I only have an issue with you if you are a pro-life abolitionist.
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@gastonhitw720 He believed in the Bible and that Jesus Christ was the savior and that what he was doing was Gods will. So yes, he was a Christian
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@gastonhitw720 I'm sorry, but no I'm not. Just because he did a lot of bad doesnt mean he wasn't a Christian
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Period.
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I doubt I'll change your mind, but first off. A fetus is not a baby. Its not a baby medically or literally until after birth. Forcing children to undergo abuse and neglect from unfit parents and a broken state is also wrong.
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@herreramissions6283 My argument would be that the issue isn't taking human life. Humans aren't special and you certainly don't have an jssue taking life. So we're already have a problen because the argument is fundamentally different for us. By the way, at the time of most abortions, fetuses do not have their own heart or brsin.
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You can be punished without being denied basic human rights. Prison originally was meant for reform, not to destroy people.
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Its hilarious how you call others uninformed and ignorant when that is exactly what the old man is. An idiot who doesn't understand the difference between fact and belief. He's delusional.
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Bad advice proven not to work.
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Neither agnosticism nor atheism has anything to do with the supernatural. These terms have to do with the knowledge and belief about a God or Gods. Thats it.
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@sharkas9965 A fetus is the correct term to refer to any mammal in utero. In humans its 10 weeks. You know what's not an accuraate term? Baby.
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Thats just....factually untrue. There will never be a time where everyone is vegan.
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Thats not necessarily true. You only need a background check if the person selling is an FFL dealer. Private sellers also often set up at shows, and then it falls on state laws to determine whether or not you need a background check. Every show I've been to has taken me less than 45 minutes to purchase a gun.
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Agree with everything but people seem to get confused when talking about the "gunshow loophole". Its just private sales, which do not require paperwork or a background check in most cases. And it confuses them.
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I wonder how many pro-lifers understand how an abortion is done nowadays. I doubt it.
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Lizzie Allen I doubt it, since you seem to still believe most abortions are performed surgically.
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Lizzie Allen Depends on which studies you take as credible. Its illegal in my state to get a surgical abortion without a medical problem, but that certainly isn't country wide.
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Lizzie Allen Then I suggest you do your own research and find what sources you find credible. Since over 80% of abortions are performed before the end of the first trimester, and rarely is surgical abortions performed 12 weeks.
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@joerosales5646 Being transgender is not a mental illness. Gender dysphoria is. And so what? Most of the population is mentally ill.
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I wonder how long it will take theists to learn that believing in something with no evidence and on blind faith makes you look like a naive moron. You dont have to prove anything as long as you aren't trying to convert us. We dont give a shit.
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@9290SC No its not.
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Your no true scotsman is showing.
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You have a right to an abortion for any reason. By the way, try finding a doctor that will tie your tubes before the age of between 30 and 35. They won't barring medical reason. Tubal reversal is also a risky procedure and sometimes can't even be done.
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No? Where did people get this idea that its somehow bad to be selfish? Sure, overly selfish people are a problem, but the only way you can make others happy is to be happy yourself. You have to come first in your own life. If being polyamorous is selfish, being monogamous is possessive.
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They believe in the Christain God and that Jesus is the savior. So they are Christians.
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All 3 of my guns have been purchased at shows and I have never had a background check. Where I live, both private citizens and FFL dealers set up stands at shows. 38 states require no background check if the gun is purchased privately, which can occur anywhere, including at shows. I believe this is, crudely, what she was referring to.
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Galleon Hope she knows how much of a hypocrite you are then. "Oh the fetus is valuable unless its rape. Then fuck it I guess." Try for 5 minutes to be consistent.
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Real pro-life people would be against abortion in any circumstance, as that is the definition for pro-life. However, most of them are hypocrites that would make exceptions.
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@RemoteApogee if you're truly pro life, then yes. Abortions are out of the question period.
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I'm polyamorous and asexual so...
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@idkbro4932 Being honest with someone and calling a spade a spade is not forcing your beliefs on anyone, especially when pro-life is inherently wrong from a human rights position.
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Mmmm no. Its not his bodily autonomy being used. Its not his rights in question. Men should absolutely have a voice and should express how they feel, but the woman should always have final say. (Barring transgender men who become pregnant of course)]
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But that isn't what she said. She never said she believed in God. She clearly doesn't. What she said was she couldn't deny that a God might exist. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Most are both.
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@theprincipalityofbelka4646 And what evidence do ypu have that they could easily escape? By that logic, they could easily escape death row.
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Vaccines have chemicals in it just like all other medications. I'm sorry, but no matter how good your diet is, you'll still get sick at some point. And vaccines actually do prevent the condition from spreading rapidly and also protect from the complications that come with these illnesses, some of them fatal.
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@shelbymorimoto371 One off seizures are a side effect of some vaccines. The "one in million" is the odds of having a reaction. The 1 in 3000 is the odds of that reaction being a seizure. I have TBIE. I suffer seizures on a daily basis. And they suck. But wanna know another fun fact? The odds of developing encephalitis from measles is 1 in 400. The odds of dying from encephalitis? 1 in 175. Its called risk vs. reward.
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Or just not agreeing with him because he isn't right. He's asserting beliefs as facts. He can be subjectively right, but he's certainly not objectively right.
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@aaronpompura7193 He wasn't giving the proper definition of an atheist. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God, which she clearly does.
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@crystalsky1029 Thats why we have a vaccine court. They do not make vaccines. They simply adminster them.
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@crystalsky1029 100% agree. Do your own research. Sometimes doctors are wrong. I'm sorry your son was a victim.
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No, not everyone agrees America had a mass shooting problem. And she rejected that because its unconstitutional. "Mentally ill"? Where do you draw the line? The majority of people are mentally ill. Depression, anxiety, and ADHD being the most common. These people can live perfectly content lives, why should their second amendment right be taken?
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Yes...because no one has ever gotten pregnant while using protection. And protection is available to everyone.
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Cheating= secret. So no, polyamory cannot be cheating by definition. Because all parties know and consent.
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Not in the slightest. Pretending your beliefs are facts is not smart.
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She's selfish and disgusting for having a D&C after a miscarriage?
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That is anecdotal evidence that is not true depending on who you ask.
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Because they have to. Humans do not.
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No, nobody likes Jeremy because he was rude and frankly uninformed. No, agnosticism has nothing to do with believing in the supernatural. In fact, neither does atheism. Atheism only refers to a lack of belief in deities. I know several atheists that do believe in both an afterlife and the supernatural. Agnosticism refers to the knowledge of a God being known. Someone who is agnostic doesn't know if a God exists, or if a God can ever be proven to exist. It has nothing to do with belief. She is an agnostic. She's also an atheist. No, he wasn't right.
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Congrats. You don't speak for all of us. I am permanently disabled because of the abuse I suffered, and my success isn't worth that pain.
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Then you don't have free will. That's contradictory. If he knows the decision you will make, then you aren't making it. He's making it for you. Pre Destiny cannot coexist with free will.
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No, we take drugs to destroy many "human strengths" otherwise illicit drugs wouldn'r exist. Have you ever considered that some women do not see the "ability to bring forth life" as a power? Or as anything special? No, most drugs are taken to affect how the mind views the world. And I'm sorry...what? Birth control simply helps regulate mestration and ovulation cycles. Ever heard of PCOS? You know what it does to your body? Produces toxins. You know the only way to cure that without an ovarectomy? Birth control. If there are "so many women who want to have a healthy pregnancy" be a surrogate. There is plenty of want for them. There are plenty of children who need parents like those women to adopt them. How about tackle that instead of shitting on people who DON'T want that?
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No it's not. Not really. Its being in a relationship with multiple people without have sexual attraction. Just like you have physical or romantic attraction to a partner. I don't treat my partners the way I treat my friends essentially.
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@hubster4477 Please tell me where this free birth control is. Because you can't get female contraception without a prescription where I live.
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There's a difference between medical death and clinical death. You're not pronounced dead when your heart stops, you're called a code blue. You're pronounced dead when brain shuts down.
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Lions have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not. Lions don't have a cognitive moral compass. Humans do. Thats how that works from the moral argument.
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No he wasn't. Also, beliefs are not facts.
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Honey no. If our morals were based off the Bible, we'd all be in prison. Parts of the Bible are history, but most of it is simply a story with no evidence behind it. Secularism is what I base my ethics off of.
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Yes you can. Polyamorous asexuals exist.
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It's never the first choice or highly encouraged. And despite your opinion, having an abortion is taking responsibility. Its realizing you are not mentally of physically capable of supporting a child.
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Its not false. All organic lifeforms are clusters of cells at their most basic level.
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@travisjohnson7065 I know several people with ectopic pregnancies and bleeding disorders that would heavily dispute the "no one ever needs an abortion" statement. Also no. I don't think abortion is wrong.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 probably because abortion isnt "baby killing?" Believe or not, we're one of the most well developed and richest nations for a reason.
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@matt1325 Lets pretend they do have value, which I don't believe. They would have equal value. I can give you some places you can contact me. You're very rational
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I doubt it. We would just do what we do to most Christians. Tell them to mind their own business and We're not interested.
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@joshuacastro3772 I'd love to see her try to make a believer out of me. I converted from Christanity for a reason. Never felt happier.
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There are still no practical reasons for capital punishment. Has nothing to do with being a "snowflake".
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Yes it does. As does intersex.
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Thinking abortion is murder is just objectively wrong. At least in the US. Denying a woman or the dying rights to do what is best for them is abhorrent as well, in my opinion.
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@baldoggie Because Morality as a concept is entirely subjective and relative to culture and environment. Your not born with the knowledge "theft is wrong". You're taught that.
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Because words have two forms. Natural and colloquial. We use the colloquial term "baby" because that is what we identify it as. That doesn't mean we're right. Technically, it's a fetus until it's born.
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Life can be meaningful without an ULTIMATE meaning. Thats what he meant.
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Depends on if I knew the circumstances of my mother. For my life personally? Death by a long shot.
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@James-rc6qq That doesn't give a fetus a right to a womb any more than you consenting to being an organ donor gives me a right to your kidney.
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@James-rc6qq Because it is a very accurate argument. Pregnancy is a seperate act invoulntary of the brain. Pregnancy is not something that is chosen, and the act of sex doesn't consent to pregnancy. That's an independent action from the brain. The organ debate comes from the ethical question you morons like to throw around. If someone needs an organ to save their life, should you be morally obligated to give yours up for them? No. Same thing with pregnancy. A fetus isn't owed my uterus. Not my fault it can't live outside it.
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@James-rc6qq I've replied to everything you've ever responded. Ball's in your court.
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@nbss The point of that is "my life can't infringe on your body". My right to life does not mean more than your right to liberty. Its the same for a pregnant woman. She does not consent to a fetus using her uterus to develop. It is a violation of her rights. She has the right to get rid of it. Period. Also, abortion is not convenient. Its stressful, it has to be paid for out of pocket, and you're demonized by many for it. Umm no. Murder is a legal term. Abortion will never be murder. Quit changing the definitions of words to fit a narrative.
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If you've never lived an abusive, disgusting unloved childhood by a parent who didn't want you, you wouldn't understand. Death is certainly not the worse thing. Especially when you can't know its happened.
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What about it? Its her body. The fetus cannot use her uterus without consent.
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Because its not available everywhere? Because its expensive? Because some places can't get it without a prescription? Because some people can't take it? Yeah, thats not being pro-choice and you know it.
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Not everyone believes in your fairytales.
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Answering back using the "Word of God" does nothing. Atheists don't believe in your book.
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I think the people who are any religion and won't acknowledge the possibility that they might be wrong are close minded
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@peruperaoOo The heart doesnt beat independently from the mother until it has a brainstem, your blood type is dependent on your parents and you may share the same blood type as a parent, and your DNA is half of each of your parents unless you have some mutation.
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Humans are animals. So if we're being technical, animals do vote.
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@suhani.13 Other animals can't vote because we lucked out on the fusion of chromosome 2.
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But that is deliberately emotional wording, because not everyone believes abortion is evil.
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@losttime6949 They have patterns subject to change. This isn't concrete. And I never said it was random chance.
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Its pathetic that you need an invisible omnipresent sky daddy to get over obstacles and overcome a fear of death. I don't believe in God because the Gods of most abrahamic religions are monsters and because there is 0 evidence for one.
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B12 is the only vitamin not naturally found in vegan foods, and its easily added to almond and rice milks. If you are not getting all your nutrients on a vegan diet, you are doing something wrong. Though I agree in balance and moderation.
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Most vegans at one time were meat eaters, and a mother consents to her child feeding from her.
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@mols415 Your truth is called "confirmation bias". When you take off the lens of religion, God does not hold up to scrutiny. No it hasn't. Evoultion is a fact. Whether or not you chose to believe it is up to you.
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@mols415 Simple. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence as of right now for me to believe in one. We are certainly not the most intelligent creatures on this planet. Dolphins are smarter than humans. We have the highest cognitive function, and thats thanks to evolution. Evoultion has been proven. Evoultion has been observed. Creationism has not.
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Having a fertilized egg implant is not a concious choice. Just because someone engages in sex does not mean they are choosing to be pregnant.
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@coeuradorateur Pregnancy can be the direct result of sex. Doesn't mean it always is, or that its a conscious act. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Beliefs are not facts
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Terrible advice.
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And pro-life is just a marketing slogan violent uncaring douchebags use to feel justified in watching mass suffering.
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...nope. still your choice to get vaccinated-
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@JK_JK_JK That's in very few places, but I 100% think that needs to stop.
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@layedout778 I don't know, and quite frankly, I done care.
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You do know thats exactly what the pro-choice movement is right? Its about opening up options for a woman to choose. Not just abortion.
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How do you then show moral objectivity? How do you define it? You can't. Because it physically does not exist. And if its true that objective morality exists, then where does it come from? I hope you aren't Christan, because the Bible is perfectly okay with rape, slavery and murder. It demands it in some instances. You can have a subjective moral framework (i.e. secular humanism) that objective morals can then apply to. For example: Because I am a secular humanist, abusing women is objectively wrong. Because it objectively violates secular humanism. A non-sentient being is not capable of giving consent. In order to follow that reasoning, you would have to be vegan. Animals are sentient creatures able to feel emotion that do not give consent to be slaughtered for pallet pleasure. I doubt you would follow this philosophy though. I can name multiple people who I have talked to who wish they have been aborted. You cannot make that statement, because you do not know. If you aren't a relativist, you're a hypocrite.
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I'm sorry that it didn't work for you, but thousands of other individuals find very healthy lifestyles in veganism.
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Justin Green Abortion doesn't kill a child. It terminates a fetus. And maybe one day you'll see it from a different perspective. When we treat the root causes for why people have abortions, only then will we truly end them
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Yeah, because mass stabbings, roadside bombs and molotovs are SOOO much better.
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No, thats not really true. We have more than enough land. Its just that most of our crop produced doesn't go to human consumption. It goes to animal livestock.
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At least you are respectful about it and don't want to see pro-choice people locked up. Thank you.
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She's an agnostic atheist. Like nearly all atheists.
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@elainastoll8606 Thats a claim you still haven't proven. Having faith doesn't make you right. Learn the difference between sex and gender.
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96% of abortions are done before the end of the first trimester, 82% of those being before 9 weeks. So yes, it is that early.
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IssyFishyy Then its a good thing abortion isn't murder. But you wouldn't know that, since yoi can't be bothered to Google the definition of a word.
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IssyFishyy Except its not. You people are dishonest and keep leaving out words. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Yes, life medically begins at conception. But 2 things. 1. Abortion can't be murder because its not unlawful. And 2. Legally, the unborn is not considered a "human being" because it has not achieved personhood until long after most abortions. You don't get to change the definitions of words because you don't like them.
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@Humanity Galatica You're being dishonest. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Murder is a legal term. Use it correctly
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Being a "proud Christian" doesn't give you the excuse to act like a stuck up asshole.
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@orionizaqt If that's the case, the answer is yes. It is difficult to read inflection.
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@matt1325 Because "person' is implicative of human
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How is being an agnostic atheist cheating or halfway? That's literally the honest position. The be a gnostic atheist falls into the same trap as gnostic theists.
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@cthulhufhtagn2483 Except we don't know if there isn't a God. I'm an atheist, but to outright say there is no God is a lie. I don't know that. There can be meaning to life without life not having an ultimate meaning.
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@cthulhufhtagn2483 That's a false equivalence. There's evidence to prove Europe exists. There is no evidence to prove one way or another about anything supernatural. Lacking a belief in a God (i.e. extrapolating based on evidence that one does not exist) is fine. To claim to know that a God does not exist makes you a liar, just as it works the other way around. You probably are agnostic by definition, unless what you're telling me is you know there is no God. Life does have meaning, but only if you give it meaning. I don't, as an atheist, personally believe life has ultimate meaning, but I find meaning in the things I do with my life. That doesn't make them false constructs. Meerly subjective ones.
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@paigenelson5145 I am still amazed at the shocking amount of stupidity on the internet...
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Yes he is. And he lost his license because of it. He just doesn't seem like it here because he was on probation and tempered his language.
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@Orinoco Flow As an atheist, I can't hate something I don't believe exists. Nor is there any evidence to suggest the Bible is "truth". I hate the Bible because it is an excuse for people to degrade and shame others based on what it teaches.
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@Orinoco Flow Quoting scripture at me doesn't do anything. I don't believe in any of it. I hate what the Bible teaches. And congrats. You found a vague verse that can be applied to anything. Guess what? The Talmuid and the Quran also have verses like that. So why is your religion the correct one? I suppose everyone must hate the light because everyone does evil at some point. Guess we're all fucked. By the way, if you're trying to tell me how we date today is based on Christianity, you're actually deluded.
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PinkCookyDough Some people can't take birth control.
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PinkCookyDough All forms are relatively the same chemicals used in them, all of which women like me can't take. That was my point.
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@barforlifebarforlife6019 No it isn't. It is smaller of course, but that's becauae of the population size of the US. But as far as violent crime, the EU's has nearly doubled in the past decade, whereas the US has been falling. Don't believe everything you hear about the US. They'll never run stories about the people saved my guns.
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No he doesn't.
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@JDKreborn No. Murder is unlawful killing of one human being by another. Killing does not equate to murder A fetus is neither a human being nor is abortion unlawful.
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Its sad to see people don't care about the children already out there unloved and alone.
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@jenamiahhjunee1153 I am. Which is why I'm pro-choice. So others don't suffer like I have.
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@makeamericagreatagain5081 1) Fetus. Not baby. Baby is post utero. 2) I'm not calling the fetus a bundle of nerves. I'm calling what you consider the "heartbeat" a bundle of nerves, because at 6 weeks, that's what it is. Yes, it starts to form complete limbs around 12-13 weeks. That's after 96% of abortions. If you're asking for my personal opinion, I think its immoral to have an abortion after the fetus is sentient, usually between 14-15 weeks, when the brainstem and central nervous system is essentially fully developed. I seriously think you should go back and reread my comment. Yes, life begins at conception. But science doesn't define murder. Law defines murder.
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Yeah...the issue isn't mortality. Its that Covid-19 leaves permanent damage to those who get it.
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Woke? More like deluded.
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You also can't objectively justify right or wrong with the Bible, because it wouldn't be objective. It would be subjective to your deity. Sure, you could then make the argument it is the highest level of subjectivity, but its still subjective. You can have a moral framework (like a religion or secular humanism) and then have rules that are objective to that moral framework. Also, the Bible is a really piss poor place to get your idea of right and wrong. Especially in the Old Testament.
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Sure. I'm an atheist.
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@CaiBuster You both realize that agnostic is not a stand alone term right? I'm an agnostic atheist. These terms aren't mutually exclusive.
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You don't know what will happen. You meerly have a belief
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As someone who was abused by the state because she was put up for adoption, WEIGH YOUR OPTIONS! DO NOT SET UP YOU CHILD FOR STATISTICAL FAILURE! THERE ARE WORSE THINGS THAN DEATH!
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Background checks are only required if you're buying them from a FFL licensed gun store. Private sellers are not required to perform a background check.
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So the truth hurts?
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@dangereternally Fetuses aren't. Not at the time of most abortions
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She is an agnostic. What pisses me off was him claiming that means she isn't an atheist. Which she is. He's by no means highly educated, as he clearly doesn't know what an atheist is. Not only that, he was rude, cut in all the time, and stated his opinions and belief as fact.
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@Gay.Muhammad He didn't. That's either a lie he told you or a lie you made up. As far as being forced to pay child support, it was because he legally became the father when he signed the birth certificate.
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@choloe No it isn't. That is an inference you are making. No one believes all Christians are homophobic but homophobia stems from religion.
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@nickstojic6995 No one kills a child in an abortion. A fetus is not a baby. It is not a child.
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Or you just need to read that Bible that supports killing children and abortion.
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And what about putting them up for adoption doesn't mean they won't have a poor life? What happens if they never get adopted? Then you're kicked out at 18 with nothing.
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@masseyman9949 The cheapest foods in the world are vegan. Lentils and grains. I believe that's what he meant.
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Ignoring your human nature doesn't work. Protection fails or doesnt work. No, a pro choice platform thinks a woman should have the right to choose to abort a fetus that she cannot care for, rather thanabuae and neglect it or throw it into the system. Your attitude would change real quick if you heard all the horror stories from kids now saying "I wish I had been aborted"
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That's why most atheists are agnostic atheists. We dont claim to know if a God exists. One could. We just dont believe one does.
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God has yet to be proven to make anything.
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That doesn't make sense...
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@r.d.whitaker5787 Nobody has died from a vaccine in the first world since 1990.
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@r.d.whitaker5787 There is no study for this. This is how many people claimed the vaccine killed someone. There has been no medical link between a vaccine and a death in 30 years. But keep up with the conspiracy theories.
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@r.d.whitaker5787 No you didn't. You inferred that from what you read on the CDC website. But if you continued reading, it says "Rare cases where a known or plausible theoretical risk of death following vaccination exists include anaphylaxis, vaccine-strain systemic infection after administration of live vaccines to severely immunocompromised persons, intussusception after rotavirus vaccine, Guillain-Barré syndrome after inactivated influenza vaccine, fall-related injuries associated with syncope after vaccination, yellow fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease or associated neurologic disease, serious complications from smallpox vaccine including eczema vaccinatum, progressive vaccinia, postvaccinal encephalitis, myocarditis, and dilated cardiomyopathy, and vaccine-associated paralytic poliomyelitis from oral poliovirus vaccine. However, making general assumptions and drawing conclusions about vaccinations causing deaths based on spontaneous reports to VAERS – some of which might be anecdotal or second-hand – or case reports in the media, is not a scientifically valid practice." That was right after the statistic concerning the MMR vaccine.
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@r.d.whitaker5787 Except no. People have attributed deaths because of other conditions. These are conditions that are not caused by vaccines. No MMR vaccine is going to give you cardiomyopathy, but can exasberate a condition you already have. That is NOT the vaccines fault.
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@IssyFishyy As a victim, I disagree.
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And what about for those of us who do not believe in this God?
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I just love how you are so dishonest by deliberately leaving out words so that it makes you seem right. Good job.
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Lizzie Allen Why do you people continue to equate abortion to murder when you know thats not correct? Even when I grant you that abortion is killing (which it is) and wrong, its still not murder.
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Lizzie Allen So you deliberately twist the definition of a word to suit your narrative and get a reaction out of people. Do you understand how dishonest that is? Murder has an established definition. Its a legal term. Not a moral one. Done for profit? Its someone's job. Not only that, its a piece of their job. You have to make a living. Convenience? How is abortion convenient? Not only are you demonized for it, it must be paid out of pocket. Insurance will not cover it. You know that isn't murder and you know that people who perform abortionists are nearly always OBGYN's. You're being entirely dishonest.
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I think, as a vegan, because these particular extremists believe they have a superior moral authority and that they must spread that. I promise you that most pf us aren't like this.
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@EveDrop. No, you didn't. I just wanted to prove that normal vegans exist!
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Mercury is natural. Cyanide is natural. Arsenic is natural. Natural doesn't necessarily mean good for you. Its not that it came from nothing. Its that we know way more about it now.
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I, as an atheist, and from my personal experience, the majority of Christians are insulting, degrading, and close minded. When your religion tries to dictate how people can live, it's a problem.
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No. But wolves, sharks and lions need meat to survive. Humans, for the most part, do not.
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He wasn't right, because he tried to tell her she was agnostic and NOT atheist, when she is both. People tried to correct him, and he would not accept that he was wrong. By the way, this wasn't dealing in the philosophical definition of words. That was never established.
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@martasw8885 But the problem is stating that the latter part is atheism. Because God does not exist is not the definition atheists use. If he interrupts people and tells people what they are, how is he trying to forward the conversation? They didn't agree because what he said was incorrect, and trying to tell someone what label they are is rude and unwarranted. He's the "villain" because he acted like an asshole who stated his beliefs as fact and wasn't open to being wrong.
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As if people never get pregnant while protected.
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No. No I wouldn't take it. Especially knowing what my life would be.
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That statement proves how little you know about sociology and psychology.
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Because lets not look at the ingredients in context to each other or what we're using it for and pretend that any small amount is lethal. There is nothing in most vaccines you are not exposed to on a daily basis or your body doesn't naturally produce.
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Agnostic means that the knowledge of a deity cannot be known. Every honest person is an agnostic.
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The fetus is not sentient and is dependant on the mother for survival. It IS part of her body. If she dies, it dies. Adoption is not always a solution. It's not free to give a child up for adoption, nor will adoption centers take all children. You cannot raise a child if you cannot even take care of yourself. Some people have the physical and emotional means, but not the financial ones. Abstinence does. Not. Work. The body WANTS sex. It's a healthy natural thing to do. By all means, if you can stay abstinent do it. But that is not the majority of people. It doesn't make any less sense to abort a fetus for rape than because you can't take care of it.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 You're the propagandist, not me. You're the one who lacks a basic understanding of biology, and doesn't care what kind of shitty situation the baby is born into, so long as its born. The termination of a pregnancy is not genocide, no matter how you try and spin it. If they were spoiled, they wouldn't need to abort. They would have the necessary provisions to raise a child. You don't think a woman who has an abortion suffers? You're delusional.
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@kingorange7739 The body itself cannot choose that. The mind has to.
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@kingorange7739 The difference is consent.
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Good thing you don't make the laws then. By the way, you're pro-choice and a hypocrite.
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@siduarah3911 Because you'll support abortion in a case of rape but not if a woman is unstable. Thats hypocritical. If the fetus is so special, and its life matters more than the mother, then she should be forced to keep it even if shes raped. Its not the fetuses fault, right? Be consistent.
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Absoutely false. A majority of killers do have empathy and can/do want to change.
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@b.w.6189 the definition of an atheist is "the lack or disbelief in a god or gods". That doesn't mean an atheist claims a God does not or cannot exist. Regardless of what it used to represent, it's neither good more bad to be an atheist.
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@VanoArts That isn't true either. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge. Not belief. Unless your talking about philosophical agnosticism, which no one is.
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@VanoArts I know many agnostics who believe in God. Agnostic theist is a thing as well. You're using an incorrect definition of agnostic to the rest of the conversation.
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@VanoArts That would only be the wrong nomenclature if you're talking about philosophical atheism and theism. You are performing a category error. Colloquially, telling you I am agnostic tells you nothing about my beliefs. It only tells you that I don't know if a God exists. But I could still have a belief in a God. Not knowing does not equal not believing.
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Umm no. I love both my husband and my boyfriend more than I love myself. I just happen to love more than one significant other. Why do you have such a problem with that?
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I feel like putting people to death is a waste of resources.
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@marisavincent9104 Because its punishment. Thats what prison was designed for.
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@TheLegendOfRandy Yikes. That soinds awful. Nope remember. All that matters is your alive, wven if you are suffering immensely. Is worth it 4emember?
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Good thing abortion isn't murder. And then they'd be grilled on why its okay to force a rape victim to carry that trauma, why a person with a medical condition should potentially face death, or why the dying shouldn't be allowed to go on their terms. "True" pro-lifers are actually pretty selfish and heartless.
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@matt1325 But that's not comparable. Because it does affect you. It affects you because you are potentially in danger from this killer. Abortion does not affect you. It may cause your emotions to kick in, but those are things you need to control. Have an honest conversation with pro-choice people. I think you'll find your heart is in the right place, but you are doing damage.
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Even in a "natural setting" we wouldn't be the top.
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@meltheunicorn2243 Can I just chime in to say that only under special circumstances can you be charged with a double homicide? The woman has to be 20 weeks along or more. Otherwise, you eould be charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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Nope, he was wrong. She's both. As are most atheists.
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No, it isn't.
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xi jinping No it isn't, not in the US.
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Rehabilitate him for what? He wasn't insane.
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@pauloalex4899 Neither condoms nor birth control prevent pregnancy or STD's. They certainly help, but are not fool proof.
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Maybe because people against vaccines are hazardous to society.
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@ethanm.2411 No. No its not.
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Brain scans disagree with you. You are absolutely capable of being in love with multiple people. Its not up for debate.
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@GreenEyedDoll123 A person is defined as someone with a conciousness. That is not from the moment of conception.
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People like you is what's wrong with our world. You have to drag politics into everything. You do not have to be a liberal to be against a useless emotional based punishment system.
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What exactly did he say that was true.
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But she is an atheist. And when you are rude and disrespectful to someone, its not uncommon for them to fire back. He did explain, and his explanation was wrong. He didn't even know what an atheist was. He made himself look bad.
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If attacks based on people's looks are the only arguments you have, you are extremely pathetic. But keep trying to take away rights from mothers and the dying. See where it goes.
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@z-manoverstreet The fetuses right does not supersede the mother. Your rights stop where another persons rights starts.
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Vitamins do nothing to protect you against viruses and bacteria. They can, however, help a struggling immune system or an immune system that is lacking.
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@cractrick9225 No, because abadoning a sentient child is not the same as aborting a fetus. Nice strawman though. Whether you choose to take responsibility by abortion, adoption or raising a child doesn't matter. All of those are responsible decisions. Recognize what your capable of and plot your best course of action
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@justahuman4616 Just depends on the person. Meat can be unhealthy, but so can anything.
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No offense, but monogamy is for possessive people who can't control their jealousy.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Oh here we go with you again. Yeah, okay. You keep believing that. I value quality of life over quantity. You couldn't give a damn what that child went through so long as it was born
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Yes they can. I'd argue it's monogamous people who don't believe that you can love more than one person who cannot tell a difference.
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@jakergaming7703 Except it doesn't. She clearly doesn't believe in God. That makes her an atheist. The old man simply didn't know what the definition of these two words were.
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@jakergaming7703 Actually no. The definition of an atheist is: a person who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. She is agnostic. She is also an atheist. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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@LastBastian Because they want to make atheists seem like people who are just out to crush people's faith instead of skeptics that are curious for the truth.
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Loyal: giving or showing firm and constant support or allegiance to a person or institution. Explain to me where its defined that you cannot be loyal to more than one person. Actual love? Define that term. I love my partner just as much as I love my husband. Where do you get the idea that polyamorous relationships are sexual? They're not. A vast majority of the time, they're not. Simply put, I love more than one person just as you do to one person. Why is that so difficult?
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Nate72 If you don't believe in a god, then yes, you are an atheist.
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Nate72 Then you're an agnostic atheist. Like most atheists.
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You can be an atheist and understand that Jesus Christ existed. He did. It's the outlandish claims of him being divine that has no evidence to support it. I am sure a man named Jesus existed, but that doesn't prove he's the son of a God or that a God exists. Just because I don't believe in a God doesn't mean I think nothing is above me. It's usually theists who are the narcissists, believing that they are better than everyone else because their God has blessed them. I don't need God to be a good person, especially since the God of the Bible is a wrathful and evil monster.
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@The 11th Hour If God judges me, then he should judge me based on what I did in life. Not whether or not I believed in him.
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I have some answers. Did you know condoms only have an 85% effectiveness rate? Did you know that not having sex when you have a high libido is both physically and mentally unhealthy? Did you know that not everyone who gets pregnant had consenting sex? Did you know adoption is not an option available to everyone, unless you put it in foster care? Did you even know you can be pro-choice AND anti-abortion?
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By definition, pro-life is against abortion and euthanasia. Period. End of story. Most pro-lifers will claim exemption in cases of rape, incest, or the life of the mother (which technically makes them pro-choice). Pro-choice believe abortion and euthanasia should be left up to the individual to decide whether or not it is done.
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Yeah...except they often don't do what they claim to do. Especially financially. Should we also mention that STS was investigated for delivering "free" ultrasounds to pregnant woman that not only wasn't free, but were performed by unlicensed "clinicians" to where the state police had to shut it down?
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@toongamer2810 You are much more likely to find religious people hating on other religions or on athiests than you are to see atheists hating on the religious. "Mostly atheists" is just a lie. No, I have been. You're just a liar.
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@RA-ie3ss No, not really. They're just not really looking. I see comments all the time of Christians defending their faith, and than resorting to name calling when someone even so much as questions then. They have terrible cognitive dissonance. I don't have any psychological issues when it comes to this. I question people as to why they believe what they believe because I want to learn. And who needs to validate my decisions?
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@RA-ie3ss Umm no? Not necessarily. In fact, most people I see defending their religion are claiming insult when none is there. Questioning your reasoning behind something is not attacking you. And the claim that Christians are hated more and more is just a straight up lie. I am much more likely to be attacked personally for being an atheist. You're the one with confirmation bias. Not me.
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@IssyFishyy Its not deluded at all. You wanna claim that this God loves me, but will damn me forever? That's a contradiction in principle. Its not just about telling me to go to hell. Frankly, that doesn't mean anything to me. I don't believe Hell exists. I've been called horrid names, said I don't deserve children, been told I LITERALLY deserve to die. All because I don't believe in a being that can't be bothered to present any evidence of his existence. That is a flat out lie. The majority of this country is Christian. You are NOT the proscuted minority. Hahaha! Where?! Do you know what is actually more common? Christians burning down other Christians churches! There's more fighting between your denominations than there is between atheists. I don't deny that there are atheists that have harmed Christians. A few of my friends have been attacked by atheists. I'm stating that it does not happen on the scale that you claim, nor is it mostly atheists perpetrating it. There are literally groups of you who think the government should execute me. I've never heard of an atheist group who says that.
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@RA-ie3ss I saw your worldview. I held your worldview for 20 years. I don't think you're "bad" and I've never implied that. Your the one who thinks poorly of me, just because I don't believe.
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The religious also can't answer objectively, as objective doesn't exist in this context. And how are the atheists basing their beliefs in emotions? I'd say that's also the religious...
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If you're actually pro-choice, then you support a womans right to choose, including abortion. That doesn't mean you are pro-abortion.
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Post abortion syndrome is not a recognized medical condition. Its a form of guilt tripping designed to prevent women from having an abortion.
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So how does a fetus develop on its own then without my body? Oh right. It can't. Guess it is my body then.
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@Uhreallymydude I'm sharing it with a potential life yes. But that is still my organ its using. I decide what happens to it until sentience is reached.
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@Uhreallymydude Never once did I say it wasn't alive. It is. That jusy simply doesn't matter. It does not respond autonomously at the time of 96% of abortions because that abortion occurs before brain activity develops. It is my organ. No one has a right to use it unless I I consent to it. Period. By the way, very rarely is it a double homicide. A person can only be charged with a double homicide if certain conditions are met, such as the woman being pregnant longer than the abortion cutoff period, which is typically 20 weeks. Most will be charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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@Uhreallymydude Well let's see. Bacteria are alive. Insects and pests are alive. Animals we slaughter for food is alive. So tell me again how life matters? To you, it matters because you find inherent value in human life. I do not. That is absolutely not how that works. The fetus's growth, development, and position are directly related to what the mother does over the course of her pregnancy. It grows and behaves with her until it develops its own brain and nervous system. When it gains sentience. It requires signals from the mother's body in order to absorb nutrition and develop until this occurs. this is why miscarriages happen. This is why fetuses cannot survive outside the uterus until a certain time. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. It needs my consent to live because it using my organ and my body to grow and develop. Abortion is taking responsibility, just as much as motherhood and adoption. It is recognizing you are not capable of being a parent and do not have the capabilities to handle a pregnancy. what would be irresponsible is having a child that you cannot care for and systematically abusing and neglecting them, something that is rampant around young mothers and in the foster care system. It is my organ alone. Something is growing inside it. Whether or not I keep it there is my choice. An abortion means I was not a parent to that child. Grow up. Death is hardly the worse thing in this world.
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@pushdword No idea what you find funny
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We didn't have a choice in that.
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Because thats untrue?
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As if any person isn't selfish and that abortion isn't responsible.
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If you don't want to get injured by a drunk driver, don't drive.
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Thats called confirmation bias.
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@zahza2707 Thats a very small percentage of the population. If its for medical reasons, none of the ethical vegans I know would have a problem.
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Because the idea of most people are that people are only poly to get away with sleeping with multiple people, and its annoying to hear that.
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@shebsheb8850 If you claim to know something you can't possibly know, then you are a liar. Its neither pejorative nor wrong.
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@rileyvirgil7856 Fail to see how thats a yikes, but go off.
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You didn't almost die from the vaccine.
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It didn't. Because vaccines do not cause epilepsy. You're either born with it or suffer it from a TBI. Vaccines occasionally may give you one off seizures when first given. This is not chronic.
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Did you know that changing the definition of a word makes you dishonest? Also, did you know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion?
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Yes they do. All the time. Just go to show that allows private vendors.
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@JohnSmith-px1fm The youngest person ever to give birth was 5 years old. Children can give birth, and pro-life would force them to.
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@Pedro2NR No, its not. And no one would say otherwise. You have exceptions to killing people, so don't mirally grandstanfld and say you don't.
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LifeLight You clearly don't know what atheism is. It's not a religion. It's a lack of belief in a God
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What's wrong with euthanasia? What's wrong with allowing people to have autonomy over their bodies?
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You can be loyal to more than one person.
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Australia does have guns. In fact, it bought back 1/3 of its guns. Not only that you're crime rate is at an all time high with both homicides and drug problems. Not saying America is better. But not having guns doesn't make you any more safe. It just makes you safe from most gun offenses.
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Dimmy & Chinny She got you upset because you didn't understand what she was saying. She was saying that humans are not born with intrinsic value. You're life is given value based on the life you live. Disabled or not, the people that you interact with effectively changes the world. THAT gives your life value.
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And these terms are not mutually exclusive. I'm an agnostic atheist.
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Bet you wouldn't say that to a soldier.
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@travisjohnson7065 No, we don't call ourselves pro-abortion because the definition of that would imply that we push for every pregnancy to end in abortion, which is simply not true. You do know you can be both pro-choice and anti-abortion right?
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Only if you're using the philosophical definition, which she wasn't. She is both. As are most atheists.
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Uhh no? Far more cheaters are monogamous actually. While you can cheat in a polyamorous relationship, the act of being poly does not equate to cheating. That last line is ironic, coming from a liar.
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Seductive means tempting and attracting. That's exactly what believing in God does. It promises you every lasting life and happiness if you obey. That's kinda sad.
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Lindsay Alyssa That's called blind faith. I don't necessarily have to see something to believe it. But when there is absolutely no evidence for it, seeing or otherwise, there is no reason to believe in it.
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Well, thats because predators in nature a) need meat to survive as its essential to their diet and b) don't have a sense of right and wrong. From the moral aspect, humans do. And we don't need to eat meat. You eat meat because you enjoy it.
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@nico-i9v Ehh...that depends on the meat and how it's processed. Some meat is unhealthy. But at the same time, french fries are vegan. And those are also unhealthy. Be a meat eater if you want. Be a vegan if you want.
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Since when do humans have an issue with killing? You vegan?
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@lucymalone1006 The fetus always indirectly harms the mother, because it takes from her. This is why we push neonatal care. That statistic is a number you made up. Just because its a parasite, or has parasitic characteristics, doesn't inherently make it bad.
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@lucymalone1006 Doubt you would say that to a person who lost a loved one in childbirth or because of pregnancy.
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@lucymalone1006 The fact that you think women are just "designed" for children is actually disgusting. Not to mention offensive to those that cannot have children. Regardless of the "minor" percent of pregnancies, the fact that you would tell someone who lost someone they loved to childbirth of pregnancy (something that could have been rectified) makes you a despicable person. Women weren't "made" to have children. They are simply the sex that can bare offspring.
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@Meg-cc6yc I think your bigoted
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1. No they aren't. In fact, there are some things in the Bible that have been entirely disproven. Adam and Eve did not exist. There was never a worldwide flood. The exodus did not happen. 2. No true scotsman fallacy. 3. But the Bible also tells them they're going to hell. 4. God has never been proven to exist. 5. That same Bible that is okay with murder and treats women like garbage? Yeah okay.
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Trans men identify as women. Or you wouldn't be trans.
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Pascals Wager is the weakest fallacy of them all. What happens if you're worshipping the wrong God? Then you're screwed right along with me. Are we talking about the God of the bible? The wrathful monster who punishes you for even THINKING of things he doesn't like? Doesn't sound supportive. I lose nothing by being an atheist. If I'm right, nothing happens after death. If I'm wrong, then God is either all loving, which means I'll get into heaven anyways, or hes a monster that I don't want to spend my eternity with.
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You mean the gun free zones that don't allow you to open carry?
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Wow...if only reality was that straightforward.
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People like you are the reason she gets so irritated. Because you either intentionally twist her words or unintentionally fail to understand. What she is saying is your life DOES NOT have INTRINSIC value. In other words, value isn't something you acquire just for being born. Value is a personal and social attribute you and others apply based on your own experiences. That is not inherent.
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@Orinoco Flow I do not need a 2000 year old book that condones rape, genocide and slavery to give me morals. You're right. We can't all be right. I would lean towards secular humanism over fundamental religion on morals every time.
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@zsazsahall6390 Have you ever read the Bible? Where a woman has to marry her rapist? How about a slave having to submit to their masters, even if their master is cruel?
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Thats funny, considering if you're Christian, your God certainly is not against abortion. Your beliefs should not interfere with someone else's rights. Period. Thats what people demonize.
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All of those things are not available to everyone, nor are they 100% effective. I'm sorry that happened to you, but your argument is so flawed. How many of those children could have grown up to be the next Jeffery Dahmer? The next school shooter? You see how that argument could easily be used against you? Someone else could care for that child. It doesn't mean they will.
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But not everyone who sells at shows are dealers. Private sellers are a thing too. Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.
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Your tax dollars rarely go to fund abortions because of the Hyde Amendment. Federal law prohibits tax dollars from funding abortions. Your tax dollars only pay for abortions if the woman uses Medicaid, which uses tax dollars to reimburse the provider, just like a private insurance would. You're a moron who does not understand the law, nor what murder means.
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So what happens if you're worshipping the wrong God?
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Except its not killing a baby. The cows you eat are alive and have heartbeats. Who cares if its human? And it doesn't have rights.
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Adoption isn't free. I doubt your country has a wait list years long. Come over to the US. There are way more children than parents.
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Kyle Hankins So abusing and neglecting unwanted children is?
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Not necessarily. Took me about 40 minutes to purchase my first gun. Gun shows requiring background checks depends entirely on who you're buying it from and in what state.
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@mkshort1 Sounds like someone's mad because they were wrong.
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@mkshort1 And the reason you won't defend your position is because you are wrong. So instead of being mature and just admitting it, you run like a coward. Typical of those who are pro-life. Just emotionally inflammatory liars who cower when actually presented with the facts.
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@mkshort1 Nope. Just pointing out an observation.
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And any slight but if research will tell you that abortion is not murder and that the fetuses heart is not beating on its own. The mother is controlling that heartbeat until the brain develops
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A fetus has no right to life, as it is not sentient. In fact, you have no natural rights. You only have rights because a governmental body says you do. And unborn human, until sentient, is incapable of having a choice. You aren't pro-choice, nor defending the constitution, if you want to dictate the lives of others.
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Not true at all. Its worth the effort to do what makes you happy when it hurts no one.
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@ogredz3361 Facts don't care about your feelings
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I don't care what you eat, but humans do not eat grass...
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@sayajinmamuang No, thats not true to all people. I have a few atheistic friends that believe in ghosts and an afterlife, but do not believe in a God. Agnosticism is a fancy way of saying "I don't know". You do not have to believe in a God to believe in the supernatural. And these terms are also not mutually exclusive. I'm an agnostic atheist.
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@aaayhvcvb3219 In order to be pro-life by definition, you must be against abortion in ALL circumstances. You don't get to change the definition of a term because it doesn't align with your view. You can BE pro-choice and be anti-abortion. Did you even know this?
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@dustinellerbe4125 Then you aren't pro-life by definition. You are pro-choice. These two terms are antonyms.
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@AnimatedBlast All of that would still be classified as "circumstantial" evidence.
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zephan wood Probably because that fetus has no liberty or autonomy until it's developed enough to be sentient.
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His video was also found to be uniformed and biased. The gun show loophole does exist, its just sort of a red herring. Bad nomenclature. "It is illegal to sell guns without issuing a background check"- Absolutely false. Background checks are only mandatory under federal law if you are buying the gun from an FFL dealer. The loophole refers to people being able to purchase firearms at shows from citizens instead of dealers. These sales are considered private, and the law regarding private sales is a state issue. I have never had a background check on any of the 3 guns I own.
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@SaiyanMonkeyDude No it isn't. What would be running away is having a child you then proceed to neglect because you don't want to raise it. That would be irresponsible.
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@SaiyanMonkeyDude No one murders anything. If you want to come across as honest, call it killing. Also no? Adoption is a potential answer to parenthood. Abortion is a potential answer to prgnancy.
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Yo, imagine actually believing that vaccines give you arthritis and seizures?
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Australia bought back 70% of its guns. To say you have no guns is a flat out lie.
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Everyone is a "clump of cells". Thats just a biological fact. Actually no. Most abortions take place before the end of the first trimester.
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@Lutestick Its not impossible. The laws we are goverened by, like physics, only exist in the context of our universe. Also not true. Only in certain tales are Gods immortal. It'll certainly be interesting.
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As an atheist, I don't believe in the devil.
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Abstinence education does not work. Humans want sex. Its part of our nature.
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@Humanity Galatica She's right and wrong. "Child" could technically be correct if we are speaking from a coloquial position. But if we're speaking from biology and medicine, she isn't wrong. A fetus doesn't leave the embryonic stage until the 11th week of pregnancy. Which is after most abortions.
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@silentstorm2797 Mercury stopped being used in vaccines in 1996. Thimerosal is still used, which is a harmless mercury compound. As far as aluminum, the amount you get is so small that is can't harm you. You ingest aluminum from drinking out of a can or eating things like canned tuna. The AMOUNT matters.
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Just because we are humans does not mean we aren't animals. We are.
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Abortion is not murder. Could you stop with the dishonesty?
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Then you're an asshole and a dying breed. Those of you who would shun others for a God that perhaps doesn't exist is pathetically sad.
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@jsm530 I'm 25 now. Just graduated a year ago with my masters in forensic science.
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No there isn't. Gender is a spectrum.
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@me18122 Fetuses can't feel at the time of most abortions either. So what's the problem?
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And when that day comes, I'll believe in him. Hopefully, you didn't live a lie.
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@kojakbraddy2338 Nah, because I can't lose as an atheist.
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@kojakbraddy2338 Well either a) There is no God, so I win. B) There is an all loving God, and I'll go to heaven because I was a good person. Or c) God will damn me for not believing in him, and I will still win.
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@kojakbraddy2338 Nah. I've never been happier since I left Christian. When evidence backs up your God, I'll believe.
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If you're referring to the old man, yes he was wrong
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@pinkkittyluvr Yes he was. She is an atheist.
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So are the pro death penalty people.
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Ok Yes, which is why most people are agnostic atheists and agnostic theists. I don't understand why that's so confusing for people.
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@nickstojic6995 They very much contradict each other if you want to claim that life is sacred.
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Felipe Lima Lol I'm 190 pounds, but thanks for the view :3
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@christiandong3778 A fetus, by both literal and medical definition, does not become a baby until after birth. And once again, I never said it wasn't human. It is. A human fetus. You are either really unintelligent and don't understand what I'm saying, or you're just being dishonest.
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As a suicidal person, I agree with her. The key to overcoming that is to show that value doesn't have to be inherent. You can be valuable for more than just "because you exist".
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@unoverso1446 Lets also just forget the fact that nearly all vaccines phased out thimerosal in 1996. Only a few flu vaccines still contain it.
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That's actually very easily explained from a medical perspective. Its not that uncommon for babies (especially those who are really young) to stop breathing for periods of time. That is probably an easily explained medical condition or an illness. Millions of people believing in something doesn't make it true. That is called argumentum ad populum. Millions of people also once thought the Earth was the center of the solar system. Millions of people thought (and now still think) the Earth is flat. Millions of people thought draining the body of "bad blood" would cure all disease. Did that make them correct? Millions of people claim to "feel" God because they are lazy and afraid. People are naturally curious, and when we come across a feeling we cannot explain, the brain tries to rationalize it. For the religious, they feel this rationality as "God."
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And he does. Terminate his parental rights.
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Its natural because it occurs in nature. By "primary partner" they mean the partner they specifically have the most interaction with.
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So you advocate against euthanasia, DNR's and slow codes? Doubt it. You against the death penalty? Military defense? Self defense?
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@invisiblemann8457 You do have that right. You can literally severe your parental rights. You just no longer get the benefits that come with being a parent.
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@invisiblemann8457 Because men get tax benefits from having a child they aren't caring for. You don't want to pay child support? Terminate your rights
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@t.bo.e2487 Nah. I enjoy healthy debate in my free time. So that is what I'll choose to do. I've met some friends in these comments, even if we disagree. Also no. I've left 1000+ comments on this channel's content. Not on this video. This video is not that old.
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@that_single_mama So I fail to see how you cannot understand your ignorance with your original comment.
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@bluesky3974 Nothing wrong with that
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No he wasn't. She may be agnostic, but she's also an atheist.
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@legoongoon7548 No it isn't. Lice do not need a human to survive. And it does not have to be a different species to be a parasite. Genetic code doesn't matter. That's not the issue. You do not get to use another person's body without consent. A fetus' genetic code is 99% similar to yours and its father. I'm not saying it isn't different. But it is your body as its using your organ.
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@Humanity Galatica You can't give scientific proof on morality. You also haven't given the same that life is moral. You don't have to subscribe to my morality. Morality is subjective.
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@Humanity Galatica I never said it was immoral to make abortion illegal. Morality isn't the issue. We can't (or at least shouldn't) make abortion illegal because it would be a violation of the constitution.
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@Humanity Galatica Because you must abide by the law of the country you live in. That has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with the benefits you get from living in a certain area. I don't argue from morality.
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Yes it does in most states. If you are buying from a private seller, there is no mandatory background check. I literally bought a gun in a bar parking lot. All I did was show a state license and gave him 300 dollars.
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No he wasn't. Agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not a God exists. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@ericjaeger43758 She said that she doesn't believe in a God. That makes her an atheist. She never claimed that there was no God. She just simply doesn't believe in on. By the way, if she did claim there was no God, then she certainly wouldn't be agnostic as an agnostic claims not to know. She would be a gnostic atheist or an anti theist
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Atheism is not a religion, nor is it "belief in nothing". Many atheists are spiritual. Atheists simoly lack a belief in a God. You can be atheistic and have a great moral standard just as you can be a theist and have an abysmal moral standard.
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Morality is subjective. Women can dress however they want. Prostitution is the oldest profession. And people still are lawful, respectful and courteous. You don't need some 2000 year old book that tells you to sell your daughter, drown your children or destroy those who disagree with you to be a good person. Oh, by the way, atheism is not a religion.
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Because adoption is not always an option. Do you know how many people would RATHER have been aborted than go into foster care?
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@scottpe6226 The fact that he lost his medical license after having it suspended for being anti-vaccine says it all.
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Except we can. And that can literally be proven on a brain scan. If it weren't possible, you'd never fall out of love with one person and in love with another.
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@dexodon3304 I'm committed to both of partners and if just being happy is selfish, then everyone is selfish
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Thats because you aren't polyamorous. Poly people just want to be happy in relationships. They just happen to fall in love with more than one person.
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Yeah, hating the sin is still hating the sinner. And I'm sure they don't want bigoted, unsupportive jackass friends. Respect is not respect when you adovocate against their rights. You don't respect them because you care. You respect them because it saves face.
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@starofwonder1810 Their so called "sin" is a part of them. You hate their very identity. Stop using apologetics. You are. You clearly don't agree with homosexuality. And gays still don't have many of the rights straights have. Adoption agencies, for instance, can still turn you down if you're homosexual. Its not like marriage was all they were fighting for. The only bigot here is you. Your intolerant of someone just because a book said to be.
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She's also an atheist. Which is why she got upset when he said she wasn't and replaced it with agnostic. Agnostic is an adjective.
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You can't just give your children away. Thats called child trafficking. You need to go through (and pay for) the pregnancy and the birth, and either give your child to the state (which guarantees them nothing) or pay for the legal work of a private adoption.
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Not in all cases.
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Old man was spitting nonsensical beliefs. It's not fact.
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Really? Then why do most of us who have lost loved ones to violent ends abhore the death penalty? I'm disgusted that people think the answer to death is more death
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Or its just another way to be happy. You literally can't cheat of the relationship is consensual to everyone.
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Private gun shows do, and depending on where you live, that may be most shows. I've never had a background check on a gun, but thats not a loophole.
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Destiny Melgar No, what you are is a person who didn't pass basic biology and would prefer to see a woman not be granted a right to her body. That fetus doesn't have a full body of it's own until the third trimester, well after the time limit for an abortion is up. Sex is human nature and some people can't use contraception. Also, adoption agencies have started turing away children because they lack funding and room. Maybe treat the root cause as to why a woman has an abortion, and then we can end it.
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@wildrose2748 Still waiting on that Supreme Court Decision. Oh wait...they've already spoken on it. Numerous times.
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@wildrose2748 And they've already said they aren't touching it. Face it, you will never get abortion overturned. Its enshrined in the Constitution under the right to liberty.
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@NightsLastWish You may think of it as a far better option, but I respectfully disagree with you. I agree abortion should be used as a last resort after every other option is considered. But it is never convenient, and that rhetoric gets really old. Why do you just assume that the person will only ever abort? You jump to the worse possible outcome. It's stigmatizing as hell and it's not free. It's just another medical procedure. No, it's not murder. Please stop being dishonest.
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@joeyblaze2509 It is human life. I don't deny that in the slightest. However, you will not be charged for a double homicide unless the woman is 5 months along or more. That is a federal law, not a state one. Whether the state chooses to charge you or not is up to the state.
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Except she didn't get proven wrong. She got mad when she was basically insulted and talked over.
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@andrewjollycody729 No, its not. And at least in the US, it never will be.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Youtube doee that when the person you respond to deletes their comment
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@ishaman7397 Sure, but the advice not only isn't helpful, but does nothing after the fact. It also doesn't take away the right to abortion.
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Most of the damage caused to the world is caused by religion. Not atheism. By the way, not only do not all atheists believe in the Big Bang, but the Big Bang did not create the universe. It expanded it.
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@Henry-gv3cy Sure, for you perhaps. Because you may not have a high libedo or a strong desire for sexual needs. But that isn't the case for everyone, and we have thousands of pages of research that shows the connection between an unhealthy sexual lifestyle and sexual violence. Most people have a desire and need to be intimate. No one is blaming anything on the fetus. I am simply stating that it doesn't get to use my body without my consent. Sex and pegnancy are two different actions. Consenting to one doesn't consent to the other. Doesn't work that way.
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@Humanity Galatica Whatever the individual makes of it.
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@Humanity Galatica In my opinion? Depends on how it affects other sentient people.
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@Henry-gv3cy Except that anology doesn't work. Yes, you accept the risks associated with the action. But to compare the two in your view would be to say that you can't then treat the infection.
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@Humanity Galatica You don't have to. You simply asked for my opinion, so I gave it you. You shouldn't have to listen. If you want to better yourself at the cost of others, fine. Just some people are going to take issue with it.
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@Henry-gv3cy But your analogy doesn't work. A risk you take or a consequence of an action doesn't equal consent. And if you are arguing that consent to sex runs the risk of infection, then my point would be that abortion would be no different than treating the infection.
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@Humanity Galatica So you find my opinion weird.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah and? That's what reality is. You can have an objective moral framework and then your morals could be objective. But morality itself never will be
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@Humanity Galatica Because that's what you do anyways?
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@Humanity Galatica That's a different viewpoint
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@Humanity Galatica Morality is subjective to an individual
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@rodpruitt8926 Tumors also have their own DNA. Can we not remove them?
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@bobtheman6996 But it doesn't. It can't feel
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@bobtheman6996 Yep! That would be me.
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@bobtheman6996 Well thank you. To be honest, I personal don't think I'm pretty but you know. Also, I may be vegan, but I'm a strong supporter in eating whatever makes you feel happy and healthy.
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Actually, not supporting abortion is called anti-abortion. Many people claim to be pro-life when they aren't.
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No, children don't have inherent value. I.e. you aren't valuable just because you exist.
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@lynettesmp Actually, that's not true. In fact, that's not even a statistic you can quantify. My children aren't valuable to me just because they exist. Life, to me, has no inherent value. My children are valuable to me because they impact me in a positive way. Loving your children more than life does not believe that value is inherent
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Polyamory is just about being in an intimate relationship with more than one person.
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I know I won't save them. I just don't participate in their death.
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Hello there. I'm an asexual person. How can I help you?
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I don't love either of my partners the most. I love them equally. Most polyamorous relationships are not open.
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Mother Theresa was a despicable human being who denied help and medication to people who needed it and was known to starve and abuse patients.
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You're an agnostic theist.
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@WLH3eLiTe They are. I don't believe you understand the definition of an atheist. I'm an agnostic atheist. Anti-theists are still atheists. Once again, if you lack a belief in a God, you are an atheist regardless of what other baggage you carry.
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@WLH3eLiTe An anti-theist is still a type of atheist. I don't like anti-theists either, but they still fit the definition of atheist. No, anti-theist claim to know God doesn't exist. You know what another term for an anti-theist is? A gnostic atheist. Agnostic is not a noun. Its an adjective. Everyone should be agnostic. It means I don't know. Has nothing to do with belief. Why are you explaining this? Because you think there's so many things attached to the label of atheism when there isn't. If you lack a belief in God, you are an atheist. There are differences, but these terms are not mutually exclusive.
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@WLH3eLiTe No, apparently you don't.
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@WLH3eLiTe No, they're not. An anti-theist claims to know a God does not exist. If they're saying a God doesn't exist, they obviously don't believe in one. Once again, another term for an anti-theist is a gnostic atheist.
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@WLH3eLiTe No you haven't, because you still don't understand that agnostice can be atheistic or theistic or that anti-theists are atheists. I am an agnostic atheist.
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@WLH3eLiTe That is not a belief. It is a claim of knowledge. Knowledge and belief are NOT the same thing. Anti-theists are atheists but not all atheists are anti-theists. You don't seem to understand definitions period. No, if they believe in and worship a God, like Thor, they are not an atheist. Because they do believe in a God or Gods. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a god or gods. Agnostics and gnostics included.
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And what about when condoms break?
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Salsa Bila Since when is it available to everyone? Since when can everyone take it? Since when is birth control 100% effective.
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No. Abolish it across the board. There is no logical reason to have it.
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Biologically, sure. But its not the man's rights being violated. Its not the man's body being used (barring transgenders). So its the individual's who's it is final decision.
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Protection doesnt always work and some people can't take it. Congrats. You were one of the lucky ones who were adopted. What about the millions of children who aren't? Do you have any idea what happens to someone if they aren't adopted? They dont get the luxuary of staying in the system forever. Being only pro choice in certain situations makes you a hypocrite. A fetus cannot do anything on it's own without sentience. Only then should abortion be off the table.
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@michaelanderson9914 Which no one is forcing you to do from a legal perspective.
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@michaelanderson9914 And believe it or not, that is a minority. I am pro-vaccine. But if you don't want to vaccinate your children, fine. But you should also be held responsible for any damage done
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@sunnydaysv2189 Guns have not killed more than they saved. Thats just an outright lie.
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@billjohns1306 No, I don't have a personal axe to grind. Your original comment is misleading and can spread a bad message because you are only going by what you see in an edited video, as opposed to what the people in the video actually say outside of a huge public platform. You are downplaying the risks anti vaxxers pose, and thats not okay. I was simply trying to point that out to you.
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Because there is no logic in trying to understand or feel for a side that actively harms people.
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@scottpe6226 All doctors believe vaccines can cause injury. Because all medication can cause injury. Should a person who is diabetic not take insulin because insulin can cause hives, blood sugar issues, and potential organ problems?
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@scottpe6226 Yes, and you're still wrong. Its not the disease thats the issue. Its the complications the disease develops. One of my best friends died from chicken pox and she was perfectly healthy. And that wasn't even 20 years ago.
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You aren't doing the diet correctly if you have a B12 deficiency.
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@lancekotter927 That number is greatly exaggerated. The higher people go up the education ladder, the less they believe in God. More and more people are being atheistic or at the very least a-religious. There's a reason for that.
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Yep. All my guns have been purchased at shows without background checks.
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@TNIZZELL-y1i You do know private sales are a thing right? And that private sellers don't need to provide background checks? Might wanna read up on gun laws a bit.
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@TNIZZELL-y1i Considering you don't know the law, you reallly look weak
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Polyamorous asexual people exist.
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You can thank vaccines and sanitation for that.
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That sounds like a miserable existence.
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Uhhh in the Bible? Not only can a woman not leave an abusive partner, because she is property, except in very specific circumstances, she also can't remarry, as that is adultery and is punishable by death.
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How is that?
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Kinda like every human out there...you want what's best for you, and help others where you can.
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Exact opposite for me. The atheists are kind and understanding while Christians are demonizing and nasty.
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@Sleepy Hollow You are born homosexual. Try, as a straight person, getting sexually aroused by a member of the same sex. You either will (which means you're bisexual or pansexual) or you won't, which proves it isn't a choice. No matter how hard I try, I cannot be turned on by women, because I am not attracted to women. Because I'm straight. I didn't choose that.
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Because we're not. That's just a scientific fact.
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@aryana7092 Fetuses usually develop consciousness in the middle of the second trimester, when the brainstem connects to the neural network and the vrain begins to form. Usually by 16 weeks, the fetus is fully capable of thought. But yes. The average abortion is between 7 and 9 weeks.
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I'm just shocked that they actually admitted how disgusting they are. They usually try and hide it.
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First of all, vaccine companies do suffer repercussions for things that go wrong. You clearly do not know how vaccine court works or why you can't directly sue the manufacturer. Secondly, vaccines go through years of trials sometimes. The standards that a vaccine must meet to hit the market is higer than any medication. Thirdly, your argument is entirely invalid because you do not know how vaccines work. Being vaccinated does not make you immune from a virus. It gives your immune system a head start should you get it, which minimalizes complications. Not being vaccinated not only puts those who can't be vaccinated at risk, but also makes them a possible vector for mutations. If a virus mutates, suddenly no one is immune now. Breastfeeding is a great idea, but it certainly doesn't protect a child 100%, and 32% of women can't breastfeed. Its important because the complications that come with some of these viruses are fatal, and some cannot be treated. The benefit nearly always outweighs the risk.
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@aventurandoconfredy I don't care if its human or not. I care about the quality of life it will have.
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@aventurandoconfredy Then I'm sorry you haven't been underprivileged enough to see how bad it can be. When you have a mother who cannot care for herself, financially emotionally or physically, how can you logically expect her to take care of a child? If you really don't believe that happens in the US, you are very sheltered.
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@aventurandoconfredy Congrats. Your mother was able to provide for you by working her ass off. I commend her for that, but not everyone is in that situation. My mother was thrown out of her house because she got pregnant with me out of wedlock. My father up and left, leaving her with nothing. She couldn't find work and was unable to support me. While I am proud of how far I've come in life, my successes are not worth the pain I went though as a child. Adoption isn't available to everyone nor is it free. That being said, I believe adoption should certainly be looked into. But you have to understand, even if you disagree, that there are worse things than death. And sometimes, as someone who has lived it, it is better to have never lived at all than suffer.
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Isabella Bartz They used Christanity because it's the largest religion in America and the western world.
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Keep pretending that everyone in polyamorous relationships sleeps with more than one person.
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@muralmarshall5044 It is love. And whats wrong with being comitted to more than one person? You just sound possessive.
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@muralmarshall5044 And I happen to be in love with more than one person and be in a closed committed relationship. So what's wrong with that? Why are you so ignorant in thinking we're just someone's side pieces?
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@muralmarshall5044 You can be in love with multiple people. This has already been proven. To pretend you can't directly contradicts science. No, its not. Its about being happy. Just as in any other form of sexuality. I have been in a committed polyamorous relationship for going on 11 years. And I am committed.
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@muralmarshall5044 Not true. Sorry, but you can absolutely be "in love" with more than one person. I don't have sex with one of my partners. Only with my husband, so its not a priority. And yes. I value my partners just as much as monogamous people do.
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@muralmarshall5044 No, they are my partner. I'm in a romantic relationship with them and we do everything a couple would do. We just do not have sex. You can be in a romantic relationship without sex.
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@muralmarshall5044 I'm not romantically involved with my friends.
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@muralmarshall5044 The same way everyone else does? I've answered this twice now.
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@muralmarshall5044 I literally told you 3 times. Ita not my fault if you can't read nor understand.
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He's not anymore don't worry. His license was suspended.
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Not really
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@ynmzeke9124 Considering he's stating God is a fact...the proof is on him
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Except thats not pro-life. Thats pro-choice. Pro-life by defintion would be against abortion and euthanasia in all circumstances.
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@kiwa17 I'm not saying my life doesn't matter now. I have a husband and a pair of twins. I had to abort my first fetus because of medical complications. And it sucked. But everything I have now took decades to achieve. And I have to realize that I will never be okay. I'll never be normal by society's standards. I just wish you understood that death is certainly not the worst thing. And sometimes...its the better alternative.
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Anthony A. All that would prove is that your God is a monster.
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Anthony A. Because no loving person would make a place of eternal damnation for his creations. Especially if he's all-knowing. No crime is worthy of eternal punishment.
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No he wasn't.
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@Oskar_464 He's not right. Agnostic and Atheist are not mutually exclusive terms. She is both. Agnostic means the KNOWLEDGE of a God is unknown. Atheist is a LACK of a BELIEF in a God. Try googling Agnostic Atheist. Thats what she is.
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"A baby will be adopted" Oh! Is that why there are 45,000 children waiting to be adopted at any given time? No. The waiting lists don't exist the way you think they do.
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Anyone who has done any reserach into contries that actually use rehabilitation would see that the recidivism rate is much lower. Especially since most pther countries really put the emphasis on rehabilitation for non-violent offenders, which the US does not do. So that argument is a straight up lie. You have a really fucked up sense of justice.
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@15gladuis22 Its not an insult. Its an observation based on a comment you made. The fact that you hold no emotion and casually talk about killing people is disturbing and, frankly, fucked up. America's prison system has NEVER been focused on rehabilitation. We disguse it as that, but the fact remains that it has always been a punishment first system. States that have enacted rehabilitation programs, especially for non-violent offenders, saw a massive drop in recidivism rates. We have never tried rehabilitation for major crimes (by which I assume you mean things like robbery, rape, murder etc.). We wouldn't know that because we've never employed it. Especially since most murders are not 1st degree.
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@15gladuis22 Neither parole nor probation are any type of rehabilitation. They do nothing to help the criminal, and often make it easier to end up in prison. Jaywalking is a violation of probation/parole. Getting pulled over for speeding is a violation. Of course its not effective. We make it impossible because we don't address the heart of the issue. You make that sound like it should be an option. It shouldn't. We should not have capital punishment.
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@15gladuis22 Parole is not an alternate sentence. Its a continuation of a sentence outside of a prison. You have very limited options for work on probation and parole. Some will not let you work at all until the probation or parole is lifted. No, that's what people like to pretend its used for. What it's really used for is an excuse to have someone serve the sentence the system deems acceptable. Ask literally anyone who has been to jail or prison. They'd prefer to stay put rather than be on parole or probation in some cases. Yeah, one of their rules as simple as crossing the street or going 2 miles over the speed limit. Or going to a friend's house that happens to have a firearm or alcohol that you are unaware of. Actually, yes they would. There's even videos on youtube of police arresting jaywalkers. Google it. Were those people on parole or probation, they would have been arrested and returned to prison. You still have made no argument, other than an emotional one, for capital punishment
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No, agnostic means the knowledge of God's existence is unknowable. The supernatural has nothing to do with atheism. Atheists simply lack a belief in a God or Gods. She is an atheist.
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Is that why we take out $200,000+ in student loans?
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@blackturtle3870 There are things science cannot explain at the moment. That doesn't mean they won't be able to explain them in the future. We define what's real by the established definition of the word real. It's not my job to disprove you. I made no positive claim that needs to be proven. I'm not saying you're lying about a God existing. I am saying you're lying about your belief being a fact.
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@KysHome How about actually accepting other people being different from you instead of being ignorant about a concept you literally know nothing about? Maybe you wouldn't come across as such a disgusting person then. But I can't change you or your opinion.
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@KysHome Oh I understand that. That's what's wrong with the world. But its your opinion. I will say with full confidence that I am more comitted and selfless to my partners than most monogamous people, and certainly more than you.
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You do realize you pay more to execute them right?
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Not all poly relationships are open.
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@josie3267 Let me explain it better. All open relationships are polyamorous, but not all polyamorous relationships are open. Open relationships usually allow for partners to date multiple people. Closed relationships require the consent of everyone in the group in order to proceed.
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Lots of us.
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I disagree. I don't at all think the argument is about whether its human life. Everyone who's honest or intelligent knows it is. But human life has never been sacred. Morality is and always will be subjective. This debate should be a philosophical and moral one, not a scientific one. Your position will depend entirely on whether you place value on life or on sentience. Basically what's more important? Being human or being a person?
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The right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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Been in a poly relationship for 12 years. Amazing. It actually can work.
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@aoy1889 Yet you stated something that was factually untrue.
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Thats not an unpopular opinion at all. A psychological evaluation would be against the Constitution.
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Gotta prove God exists first
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@ashchong Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. So what? By the way, killing a pregnant woman is only considered a double homicide at the federal level if the woman is 5 months along or more. No, its not saying that. Quit strawmaning the argument
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@ashchong A parasite is any organism that is detremental to the host by using its nutrients to grow and develop. Parasitic doesn't necessarily mean bad.
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@anonymousanonymous-iq3fz Evoultion would completely invalidate most of the Bible. "Maybe that's how God created and changed the world". Maybe. But you haven't proven that yet.
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@anonymousanonymous-iq3fz It invalidates the Qur'an as well.
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@anonymousanonymous-iq3fz I never said that Adam was the first man. What I said was, parts of science and evoultion would invalidate to Qu'ran if the entire book is true. Which it isn't so...
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@anonymousanonymous-iq3fz Have you ever read the Qu'ran? Its not my job to find those inconsistencies. Look it up for yourself.
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@anonymousanonymous-iq3fz Find the evidence yourself. It's not my job to change your mind.
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@SydLane But the fact that life begins at conception is not the argument of pro-choice advocates.
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@SydLane Because some of them are uneducated and others define life in a practical sense instead of a literal one.
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@LuZ-rd5yl Online classes are always fun. I pursed Forensic Pathology because I am that weird creepy kid.
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No. If that's what you think, you are pro-choice. And despite what people will tell you, that isnt a bad thing. Most people who claim they are pro-life are actually pro-choice, because they make exceptions or believe in physician assisted suicide
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Yeah okay. Let me just force myself to believe that.
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Any God that punishes people for eternity for finite crimes or condemns them simply for disbelief is a monster undeserving of a God status.
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Except the fetus isn't sentient and cannot make a choice. Therefore, you make the choice for yourself, since your body is being used.
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As if it was just super easy to abstain. Yes, that's a great idea. But the problem is some people have active libidos. Sex is not just for procreation. Also, love how you didn't mention how hard birth control is to obtain, or how many people cannot take it. Or how it can fail. Abortion is not birth control. Just because "life" begins at conception, doesn't mean anything. Its still your choice.
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While its not as prominent as people like to think, it certainly does exist. And thats generally because employers tend to think women do less.
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Except there are no "researchers" who are anti-vaccine. Because that would go against the science and research we have.
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Deserving of the death penalty is not cause for having it. They are no more a threat to society in prison than they are on death row.
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You do realize that execution costs MORE than life in prison correct? This is common knowledge...
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Well, since most mass shootings happen in GUN FREE ZONES-
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@viviancooper5892 But you aren't poly. No one is asking you to be poly if you aren't. Why are you asking us to be mono if we aren't?
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@hellobot67 Any form of healthy love and affection is "normal". Relationships have never "always been" two people. It used to be normal to have multiple wives. Its still normal to divorce someone or end a relationship and marry or date someone else. And people still cheat. I'm poly because I fell in love with two people and failed to understand why I had to pick between them. I fail to understand why you think I just randomly add people into my relationship. If relationships are just two people, stop having multiple friends. Pick your parent and disregard the other. Pick only one child to have a relationship with. The bottom line is you are just ignorant, who is for some reason, unhappy with others wanting to be happy.
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@hellobot67 Actually, at a base level? It is. It's also not "multiple relationships." It's one relationship with 2 people. Also, it's kinda hard to cheat when the relationship your in doesn't fit the established definition of cheating. Cheating requires a lack of consent. I can't pick because I love both men I am with. So why should I be forced to pick? Why should someone not be allowed to do something that makes them happy when it causes no harm to anyone? Why isn't it right? My children love their fathers, even though only one is biologically theirs. Adding anyone else is wrong? What about stepparents? Is that wrong too then? Show me objectively how that is wrong. I'd be more than happy than listen. It IS hard to be with ONE person when you LOVE more than ONE, just as its hard for YOU to love someone of the same gender if YOU are straight.
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@viviancooper5892 And what evidence do you have of that? What about being poly means the person doesn't want you for you? If it's selfish for people to be poly, than to force someone to only commit to you is possessive and manipulative. Does that sound reasonable to you?
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Sir Eddie An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in a god.
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Thats a strawman argument. Slave owners owned sentient beings that in no way interfered with their rights. A fetus is not sentient and needs to use another person for growth and development.
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@Racools The Constitution holds the rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They are equal. One cannot conflict with another. A fetus does not have a right to my organ without my consent. Period. Just as I don't have a right to your organ, even if I need it to live. By the way, the story of the violinist is not a strawman argument. Its actually a very solid reason as to why abortion is allowed.
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@shadowdestroyer5679 Those fetuses didn't care. They were unable to care.
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So how do you determine whether the abortion was a miscarriage or not? Oh right. You can't in most cases. So essentially, fuck constitutional rights.
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@JulianQuiamhor Yep. I'm very passionate about people who are trying to take my right away from me. I'm not "triggered", I'm standing up for people's rights
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You sound like a psychopath.
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You can state your beliefs (or lack thereof) without being a prick.
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Only in your opinion is every life valuable. In truth, life has no value unless the person and people around them places that value on them. Nature doesn't give a damn. What she said was just truth. Value isn't prescriptive. Its descriptive.
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IssyFishyy Understanding that life doesn't have inherent value is not nihilistic. Its just reality. Nihilism is believing that life has no meaning. I've never claimed that, and I do not believe that. I don't care if I die or not. Death doesn't frighten me. It'll come when it comes.
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Revenger 211 I don't think that has anything to do with their religion. I know some pretty cool atheists and some pretty psychotic religious parents
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And sex is for more than pregnancy. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@akshaykamasamudram6983 Trans men are still men.
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See how fast that would get you smacked to be honest.
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There's a difference between being human, in terms of species, and a being, a person with conscious thought. If you really think most people care if you destroy bald eagle eggs, you're wrong. We don't. Its illegal only because of some weird sense of national pride. Also, they aren't an endangered species, and havent been for years
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@travisjohnson7065 As someone with a Master's in biology, they're technically correct, in the sense that "conception" is often confused with "implantation". Technically, the actual scientific term should be "life begins from the moment of implantation, but since these are often used interchangeably, we don't really correct it.
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Thats hypocritical then. If the fetus is human and deserves the right to live, then how does it suddenly lose that value just because its mother was raped? You either include all or exclude all.
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Its a fetus. So what if its human? Abortion is not murder, as it does not fit the definition of murder. Apparently it is that difficult to understand.
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@Orinoco Flow I'd rather spend eternity in hell than with your monster of a God.
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You would be deterred regardless of whether or not the death penalty was in place. Odds are, you're not a criminal.
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@IssyFishyy And its not at all condescending to imply that without Jesus, you have no plan for your life and that if you don't have him, you've given up? They don't 'wish the best for me' or they wouldn't say I have to repent. Condescension is still condescension when its disguised as kindness. Its not rude to point out the manipulative tactics of someone.
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@IssyFishyy It actually does though. Of course you don't see that. I don't expect you too. That may be what you got from that. All I got was "believe what I believe or suffer." That's manipulative. Now, is that what to OC meant? No, I doubt it. But that post reads as a panic message to those that are non believers. Its also just, you know, not demonstrably factual.
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@IssyFishyy You can't "save me" from a place that hasn't been demonstrated to exist. An no. No it hasn't. The one with confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance is you . Also really? No Christian says "you'ee going to hell?" You haven't been around then.
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Personal opinion.
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No. You being here is not evidence for a creator, let alone which "creator" is the correct one. You're using an appeal to ignorance fallacy. How do you know a book doesn't write itself? You believe the dead can rise correct? So why couldn't a book write itself? Your argument makes no sense.
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@benbalogh1652 Atheists don't definitively say that as well. They lack a belief in God. That is not assertion that one does not exist.
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@sawderf741 Nope. Abortion is taking responsibility, as is parenthood and adoption. What is irresponsible is neglecting and abusing a child you are not prepared to care for.
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Plan B is not a 99% effective rate. Its between 85 and 95% effective, and its not available everywhere. Also, its not the same price everywhere.
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Define criminal. A criminal is anyone who breaks the law.
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There aren't in all cases. She should have been corrected though.
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Most abortions take place before a fetus gains any kind of sentience, usually between 6 and 9 weeks. Why does it have to be the mothers? Because shes the one having her nutrients leeched off and shes the one who deals with the complications. There are more children in adoption and foster homes than there are parents to adopt them. So stop. Adoption should always be considered before abortion, but it is NOT always possible. So in other words, your a hypocrite.
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They can? I'm assuming your referring to child support?
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Except its not.
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@Gnathan96 Morality itself holds no objectivity, even with a God. Because the laws laid down by him are still his subjective opinion. You could make the argument its the "highest authority", but its still subjective. Good and evil only exist in a mind that can understand it. Therefore, it is, and always will be, subjective. There's nothing wrong with that. By the way, God (especially the Christian God) is a terrible moral standing. You know, with all the rape, slavery and genocide the Bible condones.
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The problem is that this doesn't represent polyamory. It represents OPEN RELATIONSHIPS. Most polyamorous people don't have a main partner. All parties are equal...
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@conversationtosaurusrex You're a liar. Hitler was a Catholic up until his death. Never once was he an atheist. The entire basis for what he did was because of his belief in the old testament.
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@goose4001 Obito is either a liar or misinformed. Never was Hitler an atheist. He was a devout Catholic who was excommunicated by the church.
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@nihilist5820 You mean the part about God ripping unborn out of the Israelites and Samarian's and throwing them against the rocks.
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Yadelin Vargas Yeah, no thank you. We're not interested in your belief system.
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Someone flunked biology.
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IssyFishyy A fetus is not recognized as a person, nor is the practice unlawful. Read the definition.
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Lizzie Allen Strawman argument. One victimizes someone and violates their rights. The other does not.
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@IssyFishyy Nope. I just don't argue with stubbornness. I'm clearly not going to change you mind or get you to understand. So why bother?
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@IssyFishyy I'm not biased. I'm not going to argue facts with you. I'm not qualified to explain at length about evoultion, nor would you listen to me. I have stated to you multiple times that a God could indeed exist. You gave no counter evidence. You made claims without any sourcing. I am not going to argue with someone who won't even entertain the idea they may be wrong.
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Then feel free to not own guns. But you'll feel differently when you find yourself in a life or death situation.
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No, he was just wrong.
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@barbaraw1245 A uterus is an organ, and a fetus requires a uterus to live. That uterus is my right, and only gets used when I give consent. I think abortion should be cut off when sentience is achieved. 96% of abortions are performed before 13 weeks. 15 weeks at latest is a cutoff point.
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Dead people can't save you
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@safetygirl15 here's the thing though. I dont believe in any of that.
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@jjemerald186 You don't know anything. You believe. You were born an atheist, like everyone else is. I don't think you're stupid. I think you have your own beliefs. I have mine. I don't believe in something with no evidence. If God makes you feel better, then believe.
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What exactly was he right about?
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Because thats the way the brain works in some people.
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You do understand you can be both atheist and agnostic right? Most are. Atheism is not the absolute declaration that there is no God. Its the lack of a belief in God. There's a difference between belief and knowledge.
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@laurac2031 Except there are. And they are easily found online and can also be requested at any vaccination appointment. Longer term studies haven't been fully completed because the vaccine isn't that old. When people are suffering complications from preventable diseases and when places have now legally lost the ability to hold a "measles free" status, we have an issue. If you don't vaccinate, other than for legitimate medical purposes, you are denying science. Period. End of story. Come out of conspiracy land.
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@travisjohnson7065 I mean, most pro-lifers are religious. I'm not saying you can't make non-religious arguments for pro-life. They're just hypocritical, baseless, or straight up lies. I've yet to see a pro-life secular argument go anywhere.
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No. Pro-choice is giving the option for the dying and pregnant people to decide for themselves what happens to their bodies.
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@zigzag6728 Arguing doesn't change facts
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@cleancountershot3941 If you find people gross for wanting bodily autonomy, then I find you gross for being a hypocrite who tells others life is so important, but does nothing to save lives. Sounds like a double standard.
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Anthony A. You don't prove things in Science. Science is an abstract concept. You prove things in Math. I don't believe in a God given anything. My conscious evolved through millions of years and is a product of the environment and society I was raised in.
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Not really. This shows how extremists can be emotionally unstable. Its kinda ignorant to generalize.
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I want proof of this so called Creator first, as there is none as of this moment.
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No one is killing a baby. Baby means post utero. If you take no issue with animal slaughter, you should have no issue with a fetus that can't feel being terminated. No, its not murder.
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@SpJrD You don't have to be other religions before being atheist. The likeliness of any deity is the same regardless of religion. I have read many religions. They're all just as likely as each other. If I dont believe in the Christian God, it would make little sense to believe in the Islamic God. They're both just as outrageous as each other.
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@SpJrD Because the belief in any deity is unfounded and has no evidence. It's not that religion doesn't make sense, or that a deity couldn't exist. There's just no evidence for one, so I find it foolish to believe in one.
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@SpJrD If for something the exist, it must have a creator, why is God the exception? How do you know atoms haven't always been here or created themselves? If your God can do it, why can't other things? Just because Einstein believed in a deity doesn't mean he was correct. I choose to withhold belief in a God until one can be proven.
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@SpJrD and where is your evidence of that? Atoms may have always existed. You dont know that.
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@SpJrD That has never been proven. If God can create himself, then I could just argue the world created itself.
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@SpJrD So why can God create himself? You equate existence with creation. For all you know, the world did create itself. I dont believe existence means creation.
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@SpJrD I dont make the claim that the world created itself. Evolution isnt a hypothesis. It's something that can be proven. Even most religious people dont argue that. Evolution takes time. You can however look at genetic records and see. My point is the claim that the world created itself is just as outrageous and requires just as much evidence as claiming God. I'm okay with saying I dont know how the world came to be. You're not.
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@SpJrD You clearly don't know anything about the science behind evolution, and I am not qualified to fill you in. Talk to an expert or read some books.
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@SpJrD Excuse me, but I dont believe you. However, if you are telling the truth, and you do write a paper, I will more than happily read it. That doesn't change the fact that you still can't prove a God, and that I should believe in one.
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Monogamy is in no way enforced. Its just most people happen to only love one person, or simply prefer to cheat. There is nothing degenerate about being polyamory. Those relationships can be stable and monogamous relationships can be unstable.
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Just because the Bible says it does not make it true however. You may believe its true, but you have no way of verifying that.
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The old man isn't right.
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I'm a medical school student who is not going into traditional medicine. I took a whole goddamn semester on vaccines and immunology. We know vaccines can have side effects. So can the diseases they fight against.
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@Jack Reacher Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you don't like it. I get where you're coming from, but it's you who has a lot to learn. People's situations change overnight, and we don't live in some perfect reality. Hell, I'm demonized for having an abortion, and I was one of the ones who were in the minority of medical purposes. Hope to one day see a world where this doesn't have to be a concern for anyone.
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@Jack Reacher Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Because its not pro-killing babies. Its pro allowing a potentially unfit parent to decide what is best for her and her child. You fuckers act like death is the worst thing in the world.
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Yes, they most certainly would have. Because they were secular humanists. They wanted citizens to be able to defend themselves
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Vegans or extremists?
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Its not that it doesn't matter (not that a fetus can even make a choice) Its that the woman's choice matters as well. And if she is unfit, that child will be neglected.
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No it shouldn't.
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@OwenH16 Considering I can actally logically debate why we shouldn't have capital punishment, I'd say my opinion is pretty solid.
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@OwenH16 Is that seriously all you can say? Defend your reasoning.
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No, actually. Most people are actually pro-choice. Because they make exceptions for the life of the mother and rape and take no issue with euthanasia. No one likes when an abortion happens. But it isn't murder. You'll never have the right to use my organ without consent. Its not murder now. Only hardcore pro lifers think he is.
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On what exactly?
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Lol, you were never gay in the first place. You're simply bisexual.
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Vaccines have never and will never be mandatory. These are not people who believe vaccines should not be mandatory. These are people who believe NO ONE should get vaccinated and that vaccines are OUTRIGHT harmful. That is NOT doing what is best for your children.
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Raa16 Life doesn't have to have an ultimate meaning to begin with. And yes. It would still have meaning if a supposed omnipotent deity would stop evil things from happening, especially to the most vulnerable. It is also not the obligation of any person to step in and help someone they see. You have no legal obligation to help someone you see struggling. Its funny you bring up abortion, since God also supports abortion. But wait. Those passages don't matter or are metaphor right? Its's not rational to worship any deity, as we have no evidence of one.
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Raa16 No, even to people in general, it doesn't have to have ultimate meaning. People just believe it does. Everything doesn't have to be provided to people for an omnipotent being to not needlessly slaughter people. That wasn't a concession. I find it hypocritical that you would judge someone who did not help a dying child, but you give your God a pass. So in other words "my passages don't matter because here's another that contradicts it." Its funny to me that you see no issue with this. By the way, abortion isn't murder, biblically or in the present. We don't have evidence of his son or prophets. Claiming to be something doesn't make it reality. Pascals wager is about the weakest argument you can use, because you're saved only if your interpretation of a religion is correct.
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No, they weren't. None of the founding fathers were Christians. They were diests. The US was founded on secularism.
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No one forgets adoption exists. Its that the system is broken and children are often neglected and abused. Adoption does not guarantee a family nor happiness, unless you're referring to a private adoption, which costs money.
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Abortion itself is inconvenient.
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You also raise your risk of developing diabetes by eating meat. Especially red and processed meat. Sodium, nitrates and heme iron are terrible in excess.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 That isn't what consent means. Walking around naked doesn't give consent for people to touch you. The brain has to make that active decision.
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I love my husband and my partner more than anything. Why does that make me a hoe? Sounds like someone doesn't know the first thing about polyamory.
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@dccomicsnew5263 Its not murder. That's not an opinion.
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@dccomicsnew5263 No, its fact.
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The death penalty does nothing to benefit society. How exactly does it benefit any more than life in prison does?
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You make it sound like...we aren't those things. I'm for the right to die. They should have the right to end their suffering if they really don't see themselves getting better.
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Hate to break it to you. You're not the top of the food chain.
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Kaleela Edwards Except we're not. Food chains are based on trophic levels. We are upper middle with pigs.
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@juanph3671 Because murder is a legal term. Technically, in other countries, it may fall under that definition. Which is really depressing. You've just created a strawman. Someone who is on life support (which I'm also not against pulling the plug on) is not using another person to survive. They are not infringing on another's rights
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Riastrad Depends on who you ask. Some view all life as the same. Some view life on a hierarchy. I'm not a liberal, nor am I a serial killer. I simply understand that abortion is a constitutional right. And criminalizing it will not do anything.
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Then perhaps stop to consider the actions that led them to make that decision.
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@jacobbracamonte8177 Mm-hm. Perhaps by understanding why most people choose to have an abortion, we can treat the root causes and hopefully someday end it. Taking away the choice is not the way to do that.
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"Can you prove to the world that there is no creator?" No, because you can't disprove a negative. The burden of proof is on you as the believer. "Absence of a Creator" Atheists do not state that there is no creator. That is an anti-theist. I do not know whether or not there is a creator, but as there is no evidence for one, I lack a belief in one. "Tell us how all of this can be found by chance or nature" Millions of years of evoultion and it wasnt by chance. "Is nature able to..." You don't know how natural selection works do you? "DNA" DNA is not a code. Even most religious people don't believe that. WE describe it as a code so it makes it easier to understand.
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@رحال-ص9ر To ask who created the world already makes a claim that the word has a creator which has not been proven. Many people have also rejected religions. These people are some of the reason we have the privilages we do. If there is a God, he would know exactly what evidence to show me that would prove his existence. Until that evidence is provided, I choose to not believe in God.
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@رحال-ص9ر Sure they will. Because we don't have all the answers yet. That doesn't mean anything.
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@رحال-ص9ر I am very well aware of that, and most of those questions were asked in spite of religion. Religion teaches you not to ask questions. I don't reject God. For all I know, a God could exist. I simply don't believe in one because there is no evidence for one.
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@رحال-ص9ر What evidence are you putting forward?
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@رحال-ص9ر A holy book written by man and uncooberated is not evidence.
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As a vegan, thank you. I detest those who shame choices based on moral high ground.
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Why? Because he understands the uselessness of the death penalty and believes most people can be rehabilitated?
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Abolitionist here. Death penalty is useless and non-benefical.
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Lizzie Allen Not the majority of them. At least not the ones I interact with on a daily basis. And I live in a DP state
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Yeah, so is eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics. Funny how God seems to love abortion though. Also, most people want an explanation as to why a person chooses to abort.
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Your no more likely to get STDS from a polyamorous relationship, since most of them are closed.
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Ever wonder why more minority fetuses are aborted? Its almost as if minoritys are statistically less well off than whites. Unless you're getting it, you aren't paying for it.
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No. No it wasn't. He's very uneducated.
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@raulnsherah Well, he thought his religion was facts. And he didn't know what agnosticism was. So no...not dead on.
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No actually. A majority are remorseful.
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@chungs6496 You're right, I didn't have a father. Not sure what that has to do with anything.
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Australia Smith You a vegan and against the death penalty?
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Then go through the process of adopting one. But they realize early on it's too much, and they back out. Time and time again.
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Because the definition of when human life begins is literally irrelevant. And even then, she was still wrong.
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You don't have to be promiscuous to get pregnant, and your entire argument is based around your belief that the vast majority of abortions occur because a woman chooses to sleep around. That's already false. Many women are committed to a partner who sleeps with them and then bails when finding out she's pregnant. What about those women? What about the large numbers of women who develop mental conditions during the pregnancy? Pro-life, by its very definition, is against abortion regardless of circumstances. Against abortion with rape, incest or medical problems. You cannot pick and choose people who get rights to their body and people who don't.
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@thisisauniquename There can really be an infinite number of polycules, but the main ones I see are Y (where multiple people only date person) or a triangle (where each person dates the other). The rules just sort of depend on the polycule itself.
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@Humanity Galatica The person is who's body is being used should and does have final say
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Humans do not have to eat meat. You can be healthy without meat in your diet. The point is to find the diet thats best for you. And you shouldn't be judged for that
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@iungertime As far as loving more than one person, your beliefs are not fact. You absolutely can be in love with more than one person. Psychology shows that. Actually, that isn't true. There's a poly couple in Montana that celebrated their 50th anniversary. The woman is married to one man and has a second partner. As someone who is in a loving and healthy polyamorous relationship, the amount of ignorance is ridiculous. Sex and selfishness? No honey. You'd be much more likely to find that in a monogamous relationship.
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You can certainly buy guns from a gun show. Its what they're there for.
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Sounds like massive projection bias. Imagine not knowing that some poly people are asexual.
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preciousloreen Why? Because everyone's view of morality is different? I suppose I can see why that would be scary.
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A. Because its not a person, either philosophically or legally. Therefore it doesn't have rights. B. Being immoral is subjective.
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It was obvious to me that she was celebrating the ability to have access to an abortion, not the act itself.
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Everyone is agnostic, so no he wasnt right. In fact, he wasn't right about anything. She is an atheist. I hope the religious see clear eventually.
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These specific people happen to be Christian, which is the dominant religion of the states.
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Lizzie Allen Well yeah. That would be murder. Because that would be illegal at that point. Because it is a sentient person. Yeah, you keep thinking that. Maybe we should force organ donation too. After all, life is more important right?
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I'm against the death penalty because it does not benefit society in any way. If you cannot trust a system to be fair, don't live in that country or work to change it.
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@parthenon5106 No, she's still a hypocrite. Because she is making the assumption that everyone will have the reaction she did. Changing your mind in a topic doesn't prevent hypocrisy. You had the right to an abortion. Telling others they shouldn't is hypocritical.
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IssyFishyy Its not unbeatable. Its actually quite flawed. A major flaw in the cosmological argument is in giving special exclusive status to a deity that would need no creator or origin outside of itself- a necessary being--without acknowledging that such status could be given to the basic stuff, physis, of the universe, its energy, that can take different forms.. What the western thinkers omitted as a possibility was the alternative that there is energy that has always existed and undergoes changes that are time and it can expand and contract and generate multiple dimensions. The Hindus and Buddhists have this sort of idea and so to the Taoists.
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IssyFishyy You are operating under a false pretense with facts and claims you do not have an cannot back up. My life doesn't change with or without God. Your life falls apart if atheism (or any other religion for that matter) is correct. That is why we are atheists. We can't lose.
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No. They just understand that adoption isn't always an option.
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Its really not that difficult. Unless your buying it at a gun store.
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A fictional being never proven to exist cannot help you with anything. Thats yourself getting through it and using God as an excuse.
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Carnotaurus FK Prove to me a God exists first
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@travisjohnson7065 You do realize that the reason we take issue with being called pro-abortion is because that's an implicated term, right? It implies that evee pregnancy should be aborted. And you can be anti-abortion and pro-choice. This conversation gets tiresome when you are so uneducated about the other side of the argument.
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@mrstilton2654 Yes you can. Because you aren't opposed to abortion. Opposed: eager to prevent or put an end to; disapproving of or disagreeing with. If you are against abortions in most cases, then you're a hypocrite with less ground to stand on than those who are even pro-life. No, by definition you would be pro-choice. Because you aren't opposed to abortions in all circumstances. Once again, very hypocritical, but to each their own. I have no political leaning. I'm pro-choice because I believe in bodily autonomy. No other reason. I just don't like dishonest people who try to change the definition of a word because it makes them feel icky. There's no reason to be pro-life, so I don't see why your bothered by being pro-choice. You're on the correct side.
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@mrstilton2654 For the final time, I am not trying to direct your thoughts. I understand your position. I am simply telling you that based on your position, you are pro-choice. That is all. You don't get to split the cake. That would be dishonest. You are either one or the other. You, with your views, are pro-choice. If I asked you if you were against abortion, and your answer is anything other than a solid "yes" you are pro-choice. There's no cavyat to that. In the very definition even you gave, it did give an obligation. That obligation lies in the word "oppossed" which was something I tried to explain to you. You can be through. Not sure why we had this debate in the first place. You just seem to not understand definitions
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No its not. Its human instinct if your not a sociopath. A person who hurts someone else is almost always a victim in their own right. That doesn't justify actions, but it gives insight on sympathy or empathy
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Because one outlook is a dangerous behavior not backed by evidence? If they were for informed consent, this comment section wouldn't be like this. But they aren't. They are spreading misinformation that is harmful. That should not be acceptable.
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Wrong. The term atheism only applies to the belief in a God. Many atheists believe in cryptids and the supernatural. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with knowledge.
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You know what a miscarriage is called? A self-abortion.
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If everyone is consensual, it physically can't be cheating. Also, lets just pretend that polyamorous asexual people don't exist. But if they did...what are they struggling to control?
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Things change. The death penalty does not provide anything beneficial to society. It's too expensive, it's not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rates.
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But she wasnt wrong. He was. He doesn't understand what an atheist is, or that agnostic is a meaningless term because everyone should be agnostic.
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@eyy635 Exactly.
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No, pro-choice is allowing someone the choice to stop the development of a non-sentient fetus in most cases.
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@Hyype Are you claiming that because of her attitude towards the old man, that's what got her abused?
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@JoseGarcia-vi3pu I am pro-gun as well. Most people who go through private sales are not criminals. But i see what people are saying.
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Only true in some cases if you are buying from an FFL dealer. Most states do not require background checks on private sales, which happen at shows as well. Never had a background check for any gun.
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@IssyFishyy Our existence does not show any evidence of God. Jesus Christ existing doesn't prove that your God is correct. Islam also acknowledges Jesus as a prophet, and many other God have had historical people representing them. Because the definition of "true" is based on fact. Facts change as new things are discovered. Now we could dive into the philosophical stance that it was never true in the first place, but you know. Philosophy is a rabbit hole.
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@Dami-dm5sj You can believe whatever you wish. You just can't claim God as an objective truth is a fact. Because it isn't. I have those values without a God. I feel peace and joy and am a righteous person without the Bible or a God. Having an experience doesn't make something real. The difference between us is that I am open to the possibility I may be wrong. You are not. My life doesn't change if God turns out to be true. Your entire reason for existence is shattered without God. Respectfully, I find that sad.
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So...what about those who have both? This is why gender has more than just phenotypic factors.
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No he isn't.
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Jim McGahhey Saying "I don't believe in a god" is not stating as fact "There is no God." That's just as bad as claiming God as a fact, and is the difference between atheism and anti-theism.
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Jim McGahhey Belief is not the same as knowledge. One can claim to believe in a God while acknowledging a God may not exist. That is agnostic theism. One can also lack a belief in a God while still acknowledging a God may exist. That is agnostic atheism.
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Jim McGahhey The key word that makes it unabsoulte is "believe" as opposed to "know"
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@lotus9865 Its based on confidence, which you are misrepresenting by using the word faith. Faith in God is belief without evidence. Faith as a synonym for confidence is based in reality.
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@lotus9865 You mean omnipotence? Omnipotent means: having unlimited power; able to do anything. So no, I didn't define it wrong.
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@lotus9865 Thats not incorrect. You can't change the definition of a word because you don't like something. If God cannot do things, as opposed to choosing not to, then he is not omnipotent. And if the Bible is the word of this God, he certainly isn't benevolent. Luckily, I have no reason to believe a God even exists. I highly doubt you've spoken to anyone of merit, since you can barely spell.
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@lotus9865 No I haven't. I gave you the only established definition of omnipotence. You have no credibility as of yet, because you are a random person on rhe internet that I know nothing about. Also, you apparently don't know what a strawman is. Yes I am an atheist. If we're being technical, both Darwin and Einstein were atheists, but preferred the term agnostic because they went by the philosophical definition, in which an atheist would be someone who denied the existence of a God. Regardless of whether or not they were amazing scientists, God had nothing to do with it. One could be amazing and be wrong, which Newton was in my opinion. It doesn't negate what they did. No, I don't have all the answers. Thats the difference between us. I, as an atheist, can say "I don't know". Christians just cram God into everything
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@lotus9865 Omnipotentce: having unlimited power; able to do anything. That is the literal definition. Agnostic is not a belief. Its a state of knowledge. Neither of them knew anything about God, but they certainly didn't believe in one. You can believe all you want. That doesn't make it real. And no. You don't know that. And we have no evidence of that. Yes, some debates he obviously lost. I won't admit to something I didn't do
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@lotus9865 Nope. You are trying to change the definition of a word to fit the parameters of what you imagine this Deity to be. Neither do most atheists. Thats why most atheists are also agnostic. We actually have no evidence Jesus even existed. Now do I believe he did? Yes. But there were no 500 witnesses. The earliest books of the Bible were written at minimum, 30 years after Jesus' lifetime. Every major religion has fought and died for it.
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@lotus9865 I paid you respect. I am simply tired of repeating myself. I gave you the established definition of what omnipotence is, and you don't like it. That is on no one but you. Nothing I said was disrespectful. Nor am I in denial. I don't believe in a God. Period. I was a Christian most of my life. Taking a step back and looking at it is what turned me into an atheist. I lost my faith trying to prove God existed. You didn't waste my time.
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@lotus9865 Well thank you. That was several years ago. For the record, I would totally be open to being religious again if evidence was presented.
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Here are the answers: 1. Because predators have a nutritional need to eat meat. 2. There is nothing found in meat that cannot be found in plants except B12. You eat meat because you were raised to. 3. Plants are alive, but are not sentient. 4. Vegans do not eat fish. 5. Again, because they're predators and need meat. 6. Potatoes and casserole. Vegan meat is also available.
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@He loves you! You are really uneducated about the definitions of words
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And what about when those safety measures fail?
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Yeah, you just have a massive rise in acid and knife crime. Worry about yourselves with your rising homicide rates.
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Religion is not a harmless belief. All Abrahamic religions incite violence in its fundamentals. Secularism is a harmless belief.
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The moral issue isn't because of life. Its because animals are sentient. They can think and feel, just like humans.
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 1. Sure I can get on board with that. But the problem lies in the fact that heaven has never been shown to exist. So this is a belief. 2. No, not true. Many genetic mental illnesses make it difficult or impossible to tell right and wrong. Not only that, right and wrong are subjective. 3. Not a fact. Actually, the atheist is right. Life does not have inherent value. You only have value if you or others assign that term to you. Value is descriptive, not prescriptive. 4. Baseless claim that has no evidence. That is a belief, not a fact.
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Tell that to the 2% of rape victims.
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Lizzie Allen Morning after pill doesn't always work, isn't always available, and some people with pre-existing medical conditions cannot take it. Where are you going that an abortion is $1300? The bottom line is consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Stop giving a fetus rights it does not have. It does not have rights above the mother.
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@ilya34prvur19 pro-life and pro-choice people seem to have a general lack of biology, since they like to use the "clump of cells" and "heartbeat and DNA" arguments.
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@ilya34prvur19 Yes. But most people understand this. What its not is murdering a person
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@ilya34prvur19 A human. But there's a difference between a human and a person.
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@masterking7923 the argument from an ethical standpoint is not about life. Its about sentience.
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If it's a parasite on me, then I decide what happens to it. You thinking its terribly wrong is your opinion. I think its terribly wrong to let a child be neglected and abused by an unfit mother.
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Life isn't what matters. You destroy life every day. Sentience is what look for, and sorry. Thats a point for pro-choice.
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No comparison. A fetus has no rights.
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@calebbenjamin1089 I call it a fetus because that is the correct term for it. I understand its a human, but it does not have rights. Its not. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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Except, its not. Murder is a legal term. Nothing inherently wrong with being selfish. As far as cruel, the fetus lacks sentience at the time of most abortions.
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@sudeepjoseph69 Except he didn't. He had not idea what either of these words meant.
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@sudeepjoseph69 The fact that you think that shows me you didn't look up the definitions. Show me where in the definition of atheist does it say the word 'supernatural'?
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Polyamory doesn't equate to cheating.
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Usually they don't. Most places will not allow your child in school if they aren't vaccinated. Most I know either go to private schools or are home schooled.
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As if that actually works when most of the population want sex.
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@matt1325 Sorry, my apologies.
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LaineyLuvs 1. There is absolutely 0 evidence that the world is finite. 2. Most atheists don't believe we were just an accident. We evolved over millions of years. 3. No there aren't. The oldest books in the bible were written in 61 AD, 30 years after Jesus' death. I have no problem with people looking to God for hope and answers, but that doesn't mean he's there. Please don't state your beliefs as facts.
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Because someone would have just brought uo how horrible the foster care system is.
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Polyamory does not equate to cheating.
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@mathildeyoung1823 I can understand that a human fetus is a human being and I'm still pro-choice.
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@mathildeyoung1823 I don't think abortion is convenient at all. I think its the lesser of two evils in a vast majority of circumstances.
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Because statistics do not bare out for the pro-life side. Personally, statistics don't really mean anything in a moral debate.
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Because many vegans were once meat eaters and enjoy the taste of meat.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with being selfish. In fact, to deny people are selfish is a lie. Poly people can build lives together as well. Selfishness gets bad when you neglect others needs or you step on others for your wants. But you should come first in your own life.
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No you don't. Not necessarily. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where.
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They aren't facts. They're beliefs.
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As a polyamorous person, I am by no means jealous nor am I a selfish person in the way you describe. I enjoy doing things with my parnters as a group. I know both the good and bad sides of my partners. I simply fell in love with 2 people.
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@thegreypill9507 Then you're just objectively wrong.
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Yes, because lets pretend that everyone who had an abortion CHOSE to have sex. Let's also pretend that NONE of them used contraception. Let's ALSO PRETEND that you CAN'T be against abortion and be pro-choice. But even if that was the case, so what? I don't consent to a fetus using my organ. It is therefore my right to get rid of it.
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@esppupsnkits4560 Show me a fetus that can develop its own body without the use of a woman's uterus, and you may then have an argument.
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Egg Head because murder is by definition unlawful, which abortion is not. Killing and murder are not interchangeable terms.
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Egg Head Actually she did. I'm just a failed abortion.
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Egg Head I don't think your sexist for being pro life. You mean the question of if I'm happy my mother didn't abort me? No I'm not. She tried to abort me and failed. However, at the time, I wouldn't have cared. Because I lacked a brainstem. Sex is a natural part of human nature. Forcing abstinence is unhealthy.
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Umm no. He absolutely doesn't. She was right about her definition of an atheist. "A person who lacks a belief in a God". He was, colloquially, also right about her being agnostic. She's both, like most atheists and anyone who is honest.
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@jesusislord4119 I could say anything to anyone. That does not make it reality.
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@jesusislord4119 Jesus, if he even existed, is dead. You don't "look for people" when you're dead. I'm sorry, but you'll have to provide evidence.
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@9z9z9z9 And you admitted you already failed biology, which shows how little I can take you seriously. Your original comment says that viruses CANNOT survive without a host cell. That is absoute nonsense. Will viruses "thrive" as they would with a host cell? No. Can they still be harmful without a host cell? Yes.
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@kg7518 Yes I do. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. That is something we can measure by brain activity. So between 13-15 weeks.
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How...? If that were true, than monogamy is possessiveness.
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But they do have rational thought. Just not the same way humans do.
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Because the possibility that those complications were caused be vaccines is so small, its inconceivable. There are way more likely reasons she has epilepsy.
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Abortion is not murdering a child.
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@highfrequicyvibes9342 It's just literally not. Killing? Yes. Murder? No. There's a difference.
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@highfrequicyvibes9342 You do realize that killing is not inherently bad right?
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You have that so ass backwards it isn't funny.
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Sarah That's also not an argument against abortion, since the fetus isn't a baby medically or scientifically. There's a reason why a mother may choose to have an abortion. Try to think about quality over being alive. Just a different perspective.
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Abortion is taking responsibility. What is irresponsible is to have a child you then neglect because you are incapable of taking care of it.
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Conclusion: Broad generalizations make you look silly.
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@m3ntallyeel Even if that's her only point, she was still wrong. The old man wasn't correct in what he said. She IS an atheist, who also happens to be agnostic. As everyone should be.
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As a polyamorous chronically ill disabled person, no. In fact, it helps a great deal to have two partners to help me instead of one.
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You can actually buy vegan makeup and hair dye though.
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A body that would not exist without the use of my uterus to which I have sole ownership of.
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Because there are.
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I don't know there is a God but I choose not to believe in one because there is 0 evidence for not only a God, but for YOUR God. By the way, since an atheist is a person that lacks a belief in God, even if your statement were true, I would still be an atheist by definiton. Nature doesn't prove anything. Nature only proves that this particular planet has the necessary components for life.
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Because they don't want to admit that they're not only stepping on the women's rights, they're going to have to investigate and possibly jail miscarriages. Plus, they don't want that to happen to a family member. Hypocrites.
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That's not entirely true. The gun show loophole does exist, although it really isnt a loophole. If the individual you are purchasing the firearm from at the gun show is a private citizen (i.e. not an FFL licensed dealer) then there is no mandatory background check in most states. I've purchased 3 firearms at gun shows so far. Never had a background check.
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@commondognut Indiana.
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Honest answer: Nope.
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@donhaddix3770 No one in any political party that I am aware of is atheist. Just because you're not conservative doesn't make you atheistic.
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@ready2ryde7 Lol no its not.
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And here we have yet another person who has no idea what an agnostic is. The definition of agnostic is a person who holds no knowledge on the existence of a God. This SHOULD be everyone. Most atheists, and theists for that matter, are agnostic.
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And the UK has had to restrict knives because of mass stabbings. So much better. Look at countries like Brazil and Mexico that have strict gun laws, but way more gun homicides.
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Nah. Most of us just want to be happy.
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@KebenaranBukanMilikAndaAtaupunSaya No, there are plenty of facts. Facts that have been proven. Such as plants not having a conscious or sentience.
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@junkynote4799 Plants have no brain, brainstem or nervous system to be sentient. Thats not to say they aren't living. They are. But they aren't sentient. They are incapable of understanding or feeling. Animals on the other hand are. Its hypocritical to have a hierarchy of animals where some deserve protection and others deserve death. Thats the moral argument.
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@brennanmason1973 Are...are you serious? That question is not even relevant. One, someone being asleep will not stop them from feeling pain. Two, Oxygen does not decide whether something is sentient. Wolves are carnivores. They need meat to function. Humans do not.
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@brennanmason1973 It has nothing to do with feeling pain. It has to do with sentience. The ability to think and feel. Plants do not have this capability. A plant cannot register smell. It has no brain. They can however use chemical signals. Its how they survive. Murder doesn't apply to a wolf. Not only does it NEED meat, it has no moral compass. That's not the same as pallet pleasure. I do not take supplements, nor does any vegan I know. You do not need supplements to have a vegan diet. Everything, except B12 which you can get in soy, almond and rice milks, you get in meat you can get in a vegan diet. Try again.
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@UserNameClassifed No, I don't. Humans have never cared about life. They care about sentience. Its not life that is the moral issue. I am well aware people don't share the same morals, which is why I don't believe in arguing from morality. I'm vegan for health reasons.
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@UserNameClassifed Humans most certainly do not need meat to survive, and I personally know 0 vegans, myself included, who take supplements. I never said we were herbivores, so I have no idea why you're pulling that out of your ass. Eat what you want.
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Yes. Buddhism is a great example of this. That's an atheistic practice that is highly spiritual.
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Because there is no evidence for a God existing.
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@lovedivakissdiva No, honey. Thats a state by state thing. Federal law for background checks only applies to FFL dealers. Everything else is handled by the state. My state puts no restrictions on private sales. All I have to do is provide proof that I am a resident in the state I am buying the gun. Thats it. No background check. No bill of sale.
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@mooncrow3758 Hello pot. My name is kettle. You're black.
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Right about what?
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The human body has evolved out of eating meat actually. It was necessary at one point, but it is no longer that way. By all means, eat what you want. You can live a healthy life either way. But your digestive system isn't actually designed for processing meat.
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@henrybaughan907 Just because we can eat meat doesn't mean you should. But it also doesn't mean you can't. We are not obligate omnivores. We don't need meat. But everything in moderation.
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@henrybaughan907 You can be healthy on either diet. You can also be unhealthy on either diet
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Then you are, by definition, pro-choice. Whether or not you want to be associated with either movement is up to you.
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@SadSynth Here's a fun stat. The odds of developing encephalitis from the measles is 1 in 400. The odds of dying from encephalitis is 1 in 267. Take your pick.
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Aren't you gonna be shocked when most victims are anti-death penalty...
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Abortion is a necessary evil as of this point in time. And I'm sorry, but using the "I'm Christian" speech is irrelevant. Not everyone is Christian, and your God is certainly not pro-life (at least not according to the Bible). Coincidentally, your Bible is ALSO pro-slavery, even giving instructions on how to beat your slaves.
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@kiwibird6171 No, those people claim to know God doesn't exist, just as some religious claim to know he does. Those people are atheists. They are gnostic atheists. That, however, does not make up the majority of those who call themselves atheist. A belief is one thing. Knowledge is another. They use different portions of your brain. If you know something is true or fact, you don't have to believe in it. Asserting as fact that a God is or isn't real is a knowledge claim. Asserting as fact whether or not you believe a God is real is a belief. I do not understand why that is so hard for some people to comprehend.
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An atheist has no God because an antheist lacks a belief in God or Gods.
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@africankaleab360 Not interested.
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@africankaleab360 A dead person can't be here, assuming he existed. That's called confirmation bias.
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IssyFishyy I don't believe that.
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IssyFishyy And that's okay.
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@Rat Race Its funny you should say that. Because I could say the same thing to you. The fact remains is that God may or may not exist. We simply don't know.
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@Rat Race I am very much interested in the religious idea. Hell, I'm hopefully optimistic that I'm wrong.
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@Rat Race Still waiting on evidence of that
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@Rat Race Well, since God has no evidence for existence, its not us saying that he magically disappears. Its us saying he may never have been there in the first place. The sun is observable. God is not. These are not comparable
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Depends on who you're buying it from. Background checks are not required on private sales in most states.
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You cannot put sole blame on a medication. Medications have side effects, and it is your responsibility to report bad side effects to your psychiatrist or GP. I highly doubt your claim of excessive weight gain, liver and kidney failure was soley due to antidepressants, if even true at all.
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Kaylee Foyer I wouldn't care, because I wouldn't have developed a brain that was needed to care. That being said, when the heartbeat begins to beat separately from the mother, I think abortion should be off the table.
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@Pete230 Not in a majority of states.
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@Pete230 No, they're not. Background checks are only mandatory for private sales in states that have passed those laws, like California. There is no background check needed for a legal private sale in most states.
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@bodemalott2608 In my town they are. I was speaking only from my personal experience. I know that's not the majority in every state, nor in the country.
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@billbillerton6122 No, and no where did I state that. I don't think there needs to be background checks on private sales. I'm just educating people who say you can't buy a gun without a background check. I also believe it is unconstitutional.
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@zombie-v9i As if you can't get pregnant on birth control or with condoms
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@zombie-v9i I am well aware it lowers the risk. That doesn't change anything unless your viewpoint is only unprotected sex can't have abortions
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You people love to be manipulative liars huh?
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Polyamory is not polygamy. I have a husband and a partner. I have never had any sexual contact with my partner. Most polyamorous people don't.
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@chriscodling6573 That's fine. It's no big deal. It's good to have these kinds of conversations
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@jomama2645 Then you and I can respectfully agree to disagree and hope both sides treat each other with more respect in the future.
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Thats not true. Vegan food is delicious.
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@gdslowingunicorn1806 Not really. You'd be amazed at the variety of food vegans can eat.
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Who cares how it happened? Abd rapes, incest and medical conditions make up about 2.3% of abortions. Thats MILLIONS of people.
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Anyone who is honest would save their animal companion over a human stranger.
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Chilly The deadman No he's not. He's an ignorant asshole.
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Chilly The deadman The Bible is not a fact. It's a collection of fables. God and deities are belief
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Chilly The deadman I don't believe in a God but for all I know one could exist. I'm an agnostic atheist.
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Chilly The deadman Because I see no evidence for a God.
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Chilly The deadman Prove the old man is right.
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Chilly The deadman It's not an atheists job to prove you wrong. It's your job to prove yourself right.
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Currently 44,000 waiting. Take your pick.
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I don't know any pro-choice intelligent people that deny a fetus is a living thing. It just that the fact that its living is irrelevant.
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The body naturally wants to have sex. Its for more than procreation. I agree with doing it safely, but preaching abstinence does not work. Biologically, yes. All organic matter is. The fetus isn't sentient at the time of most abortions however.
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Everyone is, or should be, agnostic.
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Pro-life by definition is against abortion at any stage for any reason and is also against euthanasia.
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@_ironhearted_5683 Yes, any stage.
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M Actually, the New Testament does not free you from the Old Testament. The very foundation of your religion is in the Old Testament
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Except you can't have it both ways. God is either all-knowing (pre-destiny) or you have free will. You can't have both.
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Baseless beliefs are not facts. Period.
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Thats because people around you are vaccinated. Vaccines have never been linked to autism. And you lack an understanding of how the immune system works.
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@bgos4727 I just meant that Science holds no opinion on the abortion debate, as its a moral one. You can simply use science to argue each point.
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@IssyFishyy No, understanding it. Or at least "reading it literally".
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@IssyFishyy Did he? Why do many groups take the Bible literally? For the record, I do believe the Bible is metaphorical. But I know a lot of Christians who don't.
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@IssyFishyy But we don't know that, nor do we know what parts were meant to be interpreted literally or metaphorically. Adam never existed, so I don't know how that's relevant. And the genology of Jesus meant nothing because the side that was the line of David would have been paternal. But if he was born of a virgin, then he has no paternal lineage. I believe that. But we can't confirm that. We can only speculate that.
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@IssyFishyy No, the one's who cherry pick the Bible usually is the Christian, because its the only way they can explain the atrocities committed in it. I don't believe any part of the Bible that has not been corroborated with evidence from outside sources. But I know many Christians that switch between metaphorical and literal interpretations. If you have to resort to using apologetics to explain why something means what it means, you have a terribly weak argument. Because if Adam and Eve were actually people, you would be a genetic bottleneck. Even the Catholic Church acknowledges this, but I'm sure you'll just jump in with your no true scotsman fallacy. Because no one was around to know? The reason there are 4000 denominations is because no one can agree.
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@IssyFishyy I can easily refute them. Because they haven't been proven. If you had a strong argument backed up by evidence, why resort to apologetics? You could say that, but you would be wrong. I don't say Adam and Eve didn't exist because a church told me so. Adam and Eve didn't exist because that's not how genetics work. If everyone on Earth were decended from two people, we would have died out long ago from genetic defects. Yeah okay. Tell that to a protestant and a catholic. No, there are large differences, especially the way you get into heaven.
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That is just...a disgusting lie.
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@sounderthomas9549 No, I just don't accept at best, a book full of fairytales and at worst, a book that justifies genocide, rape, infanticide, slavery etc. because God must know best. That is vile.
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@nf4866 Senteince is the ability to think and feel subjectively, so no. Their comparison isnt valid. A comatose person, unless braindead, is still sentient. They're just not sentient in the way we are. A fetus is a detriment to the mother. That's just a fact. It steals her vital nutrients in order to develop, potentially making her very ill. This is why so much stress is put on neonatal care. It most certainly is the correct use, whether or not you accept that or not. No where in the definition does it say anything about a choice. There's also a birth defect called parasitic twinning.
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@badezimmertv1457 So then why is there a birth defect called "parasitic twinning"? No, it does not have to be a different species.
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@ebonie4002 Because it is by definition. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing. It's not my fault that you failed biology and don't understand that parasitism is not necessarily negative.
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@ivyk378 I'm not dehumanizing anything. I have never personally had an abortion, so I can't feel guilty killing one. However, I feel more guilty for the children who are physically, emotionally and sexually abused because fuckers like you guilted an unfit mother into keeping them. I'm all for exploring all options, which I've mentioned before. But assholes like you who just want to ban abortions thinking you'll help anyone are delusional.
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@AaaaandYerDhem I understand that. But your original comment implies that a background check is required at a gun show period. And that is not necessarily the case.
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You do know polyamorous asexual people exist, right?
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He doesn't even have the right idea.
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Responsibility isn't something that you can just do. You expect people with no means to take care of themselves to take care of a child? That's ignorant and unrealistic. Crappy childhood? How about people like me who weee abused and permanently disabled? How about the thousands of children who died to child abuse or neglect?
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@lowlysix5502 No, its simply being honest about how the world works. No one argues that every child deserves a chance, but they deserve a chance at a STABLE and HAPPY life. And if that can't be provided, many believe death without knowledge is a better alternative.
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Well, its not a myth so much as really bad naming.
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@dewey_meister95m20 No you don't. Depends on if your buying from a dealer. The "gun show loophole" isn't a loophole. It just refers to private sales at shows that do not legally require a background check.
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Because the God of the Bible certainly condones abortions, even actively performing it. How about we talk about God punishing the Israelites by destroying their unborn? Or about Samaria's people who's unborn were ripped out and thrown against rocks? God is not pro-life.
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Except its a fact that its not a deterrent to crime. If it were, death penalty countries and states would have lower crime rates than those without it. And that isn't true.
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Bre Agnostic and atheism are not mutually exclusive terms. Most atheists are agnostics. That's why what Jeremy said is wrong.
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@EvanHarris456 Having an abortion is just a responsible as deciding to keep it. Having a baby you then neglect and abuse because you cannot care for it is irresponsible. Pro-Life is against abortion in all circumstances by definition. No exceptions.
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You can just have vegan pizza. Or vegan ice cream.
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Well no. I want to preface this by saying I'm not an ethical vegan. I'm vegan for health reasons. But I will play devils advocate. We don't eat animals becauae they are sentient, as humans are. They experience the same emotions as we do and we also don't like the animal hierarchy hypocrisy. Plants may be alive, but they aren't sentient.
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If you don't believe criminals can be successfully rehabilitated into society, you're delusional. Technically, if you've ever been pulled over for speeding, you've committed a crime.
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You absolutely can buy guns without a background check. Its called a private sale.
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Because they aren't sentient. Quit pretending you care about life. Unless your against meat, guns, capital punishment and the military, sentience and the fact that its human matters more to you than life.
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The "gun show loophole" does exist, just not in the way people think. Its bad nomenclature. It refers to private sales, which can literally happen anywhere, in which a background check is not required.
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While Manson was certainly fucked up, he had nothing to do with Tates murder. That was all Tex Watsons fault. However, appealing to emotion is not a reason to have a law.
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@brittneystewart723 Manson didn't tell anyone to kill them. You can't control people with drugs. Watson did what he did because he didn't get the drugs he wanted and lost it. Again, not saying he wasn't a criminal. But he wasn't a murderer and was not insane.
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@brittneystewart723 Legally, he wasn't insane. And no. Manson didn't want to start a race war. That's a bunch of bullshit made up by Bugliosi. Once again, you cannot control people with drugs. Don't buy into all the crap you hear. I'm not saying he didn't start it. He was the head of the family. But he had nothing to do with the murders and didn't ask them to kill anyone. Just because Manson was found guilty doesn't mean he was. He wasn't even at the residence. These murders were Tex Watson, not Manson.
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@scottp7256 Vaccines do not give you autoimmune diseases, cancer, diabetes or autism. Those are not side effects. Certain vaccines may raise your risk for developing such things, but they do not cause it.
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@scottp7256 You cannot give me scientific journals that say vaccines are a direct cause of those things. You could give me studies potentially linking vaccines to a later development of those things, but then you would have to prove correlation is causation. I feel confident based on the evidence and consensus of the medical and scientific community. Those feelings are subject to change.
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Everyone is selfish.
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@PhillipReina They don't care. Why should you? Focus on why people have abortions and maybe we can reduce them
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I disagree with your opinion. I don't the capital punishment is justice at all.
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In general, yes it is. Especially if done right. Diet should be thought about by the person. You can be unhealthy as a vegan and healthy as a non-vegan.
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She couldn't have realized its "objectively wrong". Because it isn't. Nothing is. Morality is a manmade entirely subjective concept. Abortion is okay in circumstances. Perhaps look at it from another perspective as to why someone would choose to have an abortion.
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Except there isn't. Private sales exist.
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@benduffield1269 Its her body. Its her uterus. They should absolutely have a conversation together. But she ultimately has the final say.
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@lifeoftoast1864 So as a watcher you weren't livid? That makes no sense.
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I don't care what you eat, but by that logic, what is wrong with cannibalism?
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@like31000 Not true. Its not any less healthh from a medical perspective than pork.
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@like31000 Eating human meat can in rare circumstances cause prion diseases. But so does eating pork and beef.
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@like31000 Thats just a flat out lie. Serial killers known to cannaibalize people and those who resorted to cannibalism for survival didn't get sick.
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@yoursports6910 Just because the nutrients you need are in those things does not mean you can't get them from other sources. You can get your required amount of vitamin D just from being outside and leafy greens are incredibly high in zinc. You can get these things without the problems that red meat can cause like hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and atherosclerosis. In terms of nutrition wise, most people do not need meat.
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No its not right. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. Most athiests are also agnostic. He wasn't wrong in calling her agnostic. He was wrong in saying she was not an atheist.
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@kingbrown2030 Yep
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God ultimately IS the one who sends them to hell. HE judges them. That's not something a loving being would do. If there is a hell, your God is a monster and does not deserve my love or worship.
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@sydneygehl445 I do not know a SINGLE pro-life foster parent. Know why? Because they want children within their own standards. Now, I'm sure they exist. But they are NOT most people and most pro-lifers DO NOT want their money to help crisis women, nor do they SUPPORT birth control or sex education.
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On what?
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@eliwhitley8963 No he isn't. He has no idea what an agnostic or atheist is. She is both. The terms are not mutually exclusive.
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@eliwhitley8963 Exactly. One is based on knowledge. The other is based on belief.
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Yes you can. Private sales take place at gun shows and there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales and no state mandatory background check on private sales in 38 out of 50 states. The gun show loophole exists. Its just bad nomenclature.
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Nah fam.
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@minniebabi1555 Not a joke. I'm 100% serious
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@minniebabi1555 Seriously. Abolish capital punishment. It does nothing beneficial to society
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@minniebabi1555 And laws should not be based on your emotions alone.
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You do realize more money is spent on the death penalty, right?
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Humans can be omnivores. They do not have to be. We could argue that it is hypocrisy to put animals on a pedestal. If you killed and ate a dog for meat, you would go to prison for animal abuse, yet a chicken doesn't matter. Thats the moral aspect anyways
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Then people would be bitching when most of them would be anti death penalty. While I know not true for everyone, I have never met a victim that is pro death penalty.
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So when is Christ coming back? Because you've been talking about it for literally centuries.
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@kalebashworth6725 I don't have a reason to respect a dead carpenter that has never been proven to have existed.
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@kalebashworth6725 That is actually not a proven fact. Now, I don't doubt that a man named Jesus existed, but he has never been proven.
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@kalebashworth6725 No historian who is honest would ever say Jesus is historically real based on archaeology. No records about him were written during his lifetime and no artifacts have ever been found. Thats not to say he didn't exist just based on probability. I'm sure he did. There just isn't evidence for him.
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@kalebashworth6725 No, I'm simply saying there is no archaeological evidence for his existence. I very much believe he did, just based on probability. The Bible and Quran were written CENTURIES after his supposed lifetime.
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Don't worry. His license was suspended for falsifying vaccine information.
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@AnymMusic Nope, I'm serious. He's on a 35 month suspension as of June and has recently been accused of falsifying documents to avoid vaccination. If found to be true, he will officially loose his medical license.
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There's no dehumanizing occuring if you just call it what it is. A human fetus. Its bothering only if you think human life has intrinsic value.
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No, you're not. Thats a broad generalization.
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@ajreal50 More often than not it is Christians getting offended. Not the atheists. But everyone reacts differently.
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@ajreal50 Because I see no evidence to believe in one.
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@ajreal50 Thats called confirmation bias. I look around me and see millions of years of evolution. Creation =/= Existence.
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@ajreal50 Why does there have to be a who?
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I hope you're joking.
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Because you advocate for people who are raped and who are drug addicts to be forced to be parents, thus endangering their child. "Most of these women have a means to provide for themselves and their children." 1. That has to be backed up with evidence and 2. That's not the point. Most pro-choicers themselves would never have an abortion, because they DO have the means. But they understand that is not the case for all. Also, yes ER's can and do turn away people that are unable to pay for procedures, though these occurrences are rare. Neither pro-life or pro-choice is hateful in most circumstances. But we view this topic very, very differently.
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Oh really? Lets here something thats not an argument from emotion fallacy or straight up untrue.
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@kingorange7739 I don't think its okay. I can even grant you that its immoral. I still think its necessary.
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@ethanm.2411 Because I can also argue that it is immoral to watch a child suffer at the hands of an abusive parent. Morally, I think abortion is a lesser of two evils.
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@ethanm.2411 Because they statistically are. Parents who consider abortion do it because they feel they are unable to support a child, and then naturall can't (either physically, emotionally or financially) after birth. This creates situations for abuse and neglect.
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@ethanm.2411 Also no. I'm not an antinatalist. I hold a neutral position to pregnancy and birth. I don't think its morally wrong to be a mother, put a child up for adoption, choose to not have sex, use protection, or to abort. I have 2 children who I love very much. I believe pregnancy and birth is an individual decision.
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@ethanm.2411 Because I don't hold to the belief that abortion is outright wrong. Thats just not my sense pf morality. No, thats not quite it. Everyone will suffer in life at some point. Thats an inevitability. I believe it is immoral to use your position to dictate what others should and should not do when making decisions for themselves. I believe, whether you choose motherhood, adoption or abortion, as long as you have a serious check and you act on what you truly believe is best, you made the right decision. One of the best women I know had an abortion, and that decision was made for the right reasons. I have no moral objection to that.
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@ethanm.2411 But see, your own argument is a fallacy as well. Just because you say its wrong does not make it so. Also no. If we're speaking strictly legally, a fetus does not have the right to life. And that fetuses right to life does not supersede the right to liberty for the mother. They are equal. Just as you cannot be forced to give blood or an organ to a dying person
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@ethanm.2411 My morals are based on secular humanism. If we were in a debate, I could grant you that abortion is immoral. Thats called "granting the premise". That doesn't mean my viewpoint alligns with this premise. I do not believe a well considered abortion immoral, regardless of the reasoning behind it.
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@ethanm.2411 Yes, but I do not place non-sentient life above sentient life, and view abortion as a legal issue more than a moral one. Abortion is never convenient, no matter what the reason behind it is. You are denomized for it and you must pay out of pocket. I fail to see how thats convenient. Immoral, to me, is violating another sentient human beings rights and victimization of that sentient being. The difference between us is you place inherent value on life, whereas I place value on sentience.
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Adam 86 Please look up the definiton of murder. It's being honest with science. Its not about life. It's about sentience.
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ZappiestAbyss Sistco No he wasn't. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. An atheist doesn't believe in a god, but usually doesn't deny the possibility of a god existing. Hence the term "agnostic atheist"
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@scottpe6226 You should actually look these people up. They have called for all parents to stop vaccination. Vaccines have never been forced.
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@scottpe6226 Go find these people on social media. Its not hard if you do some digging. They'd never be given a platform if their language wasn't tempered. Especially Bob, since he was on probation at the time this was filmed. As they should be. If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. Homeschool your children. You have that right. Yes, because their children got sick and they refused treatment which included vaccination. That's called neglect.
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@scottpe6226 I wasn't saying they are represented a body. I'm saying these people only represent themselves. I would hardly qualify someone who is skeptical of vaccines and would simply prefer not to take them as anti-vaxxers. Actual anti-vaxxers know they can't ban vaccines, but they spread lies to convince people not to take them. Bob Sears is a liar and a fraud who's medical license is now revoked, as he violated the terms of his medical probation. He was put on probation because of his false claims about vaccines. Stop lying. Its a bad look, and its easily looked up. Not seeking medical help for a child simply because a doctor will vaccinate your child is neglect. And its abuse. I found no case of CPS removing a child only because they didn't vaccinate. The cases I read were people who's children were sick, and when asked if their children were vaccinated, they said no. When doctors then informed the parents their children would be vaccinated during treatment, they refused their child help. THAT is neglect. Your paranoia for vaccines is ridiculous.
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Science doesn't support either side, because science doesn't affect morality. You can use science to defend a position on either side, but thats it. The whole problem is trying to fram the argument about life, when its not.
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Not true. You should actually read the laws before you comment nonsense. You make the pro-gun side look weak. In a majority of the country, you can by a gun from a vendor at a gun show without a background check. Background checks are only required under federal law if the person is a dealer, to comply with their FFL. Private sales (any sale not done by a dealer) are left up to the states, and most states only requirement is no felonies, an age requirement, and you to be a resident in the state you are purchasing. Private sales and dealer sales are different, and both can occur at shows.
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@Andybojangles No, you're just wrong. Private sales happen all the time. That's a sale done by any person who is not a licensed dealer, whether it be a family member, friend or stranger. And no. You DON'T have to do paperwork. Quit pretending you know the law. You make the pro-gun side look weak.
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@Andybojangles I've purchased 3 guns at shows. I never had a background check. Thats because my sales were done privately, and my state puts no restrictions on buyers, other than I had to be a resident and have a valid ID. The only time I had a background check was when I went and got my CCL, and that was after I learned to shoot.
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@Furiouspenguin27 Transfer of a firearm is not a private sale in all cases. There's literally a one page form. Hell, it can sometimes be done through a computer using your ID. I am well aware that the majority of guns are purchased through dealers. My issue is the statement that you cannot legally purchase a gun without a background check. That is NOT true. If you legally sell a gun, you are not responsible for what happens to it. Only if it's YOUR gun are you culpable. I really wish people would just look up these laws.
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The vegas shooting was not performed with an AR15. They were modified rifles designed to look like an AR15. Most of these mass shootings? They're performed with a goddamn handgun.
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In what world do you believe that gun control would fix gun violence in this country? That is not true. Also, how are you Anti-American for fighting for your rights?
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@nil981 Kinda hard to understand non-obvious satire over a screen.
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But the key words there are "licensed dealers". Private sellers sell at shows and do not need a background check in most states.
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@majorramsey3k I am well aware that private sellers exist outside of gun shows. And I am very pro-gun. I was simply clearing up a statement that could be challenged.
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@JoeZelensky You mean purchasing a gun at a show without a background check? That does happen. All the time. At least in most states.
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@JoeZelensky There is no legal requirement to perform background checks on private sales. I suggest you learn your law.
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@JoeZelensky Literally all of my guns have been purchased privately at shows. Are you actually saying private sales require a background check? Or just simply don't happen?
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@JoeZelensky Almost every gunshow here in Indiana have both dealers and private sellers. All of mine were purchased at Guntown Gunshow.
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Technically speaking. You can also be a non-vegan on a vegan diet.
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Except that isn't the main purpose for sex. That's a very primitive/religious purpose for sex.
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You cannot be both a Christian and an atheist.
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Because people who can't care for children vastly outnumber people who are infertile.
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You can have nutritious food without meat.
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@starzpolar6546 That isn't true. You can be perfectly healthy without eating meat. You don't need meat. You can, however, be perfectly healthy having meat in your diet. So find the diet that works best for you.
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So, you're wrong. Now back up your beliefs.
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Vegetarians abstain only from animal meat. Vegans abstain from all animal products including meat, dairy, eggs, honey, wool, silk, fur and leather. Some more ethical vegans are also against pet ownership.
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Because we are a representative republic. Because we are not comfortable with the government or person in power getting to set and make rules that benefit themselves and harm us. No one would argue that they would need a gun to protect themselves if guns weren't out there. But they are. The mass shootings would not occur if MORE people owned guns. You could stop the threat before it happened.
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@evank9313 You can take away guns, but you'll only take them away from innocent people. Criminals don't care about laws. No actually, it would be the exact opposite. The more you regulate guns, the more people will join cartels and sell them illegally. This is exactly what happened with drugs. Drugs are extremely restricted and yet, we have huge drug problems and cartels that make millions of dollars. You would eliminate cartels by simply deregulating them.
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You don't if you can prove they are up to date on their shots.
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"Its own DNA" - yeah, that is 99% genetically simliar to its parents, which is hardly unique. "Its own blood type" -It does not have this from the moment of conception. It develops its blood as it grows. Your blood type is also directly based on your parents. Doctors cannot tell that from the moment of conception. In fact, they usually can't even tell sex or potential problems until after most abortions are performed. Yes, a new life is created at conception. That's not the argument.
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@ethanm.2411 It uses my body for its growth and development. So yes, it is my body. Its not PART of nlmy body. Until you can show me a fetus that can develop independently of a mother's womb.
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Because we aren't.
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The Constitution begs to differ
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Maya Czernikowski No, atheists don't believe in God. Anti theists deny the existence of a God. There's a difference
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Gun shows being primarily FFL dealers depend entirely on where you live. That's certainly not the case here. Still doesn't make it a loophole.
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@AnAmerican846 Its not universal. That is certainly not the case where I live. Nearly all shows here are done by private sellers, because its cheaper to buy a firearm from a third party than a dealer. That isn't a loophole. Its just the state law.
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They aren't facts
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Like what? What reasons could you give to take away the rights of pregnant women and the dying?
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Good thing they're not. You sound like an anti-vaxxer when you don't even know what's in vaccines. Thimerosal is a MERCURY COMPOUND that is completely safe and is only used in some strains of the flu vaccines.
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The point was you can remove these monsters without a death penalty.
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@nickstojic6995 Nah sorry. She also has a right to remove a parasite from her. Not her fault it dies.
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@nickstojic6995 I'm not dehumanizing anything. A fetus is literally a parasite. The biological definition is: A parasite is an organism that lives on or in a host organism and gets its food from or at the expense of its host. And no, it doesn't have to attach onto a different species. There is literally a birth defect called "parasitic twinning." You're the one who thinks parasite is inherently a bad thing. Not me.
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Belief in the Christian God and Jesus Christ is all there is to being a Christian. Doesn't matter what other beliefs you hold.
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@Alpha You actually don't have to be convinced of anything the Bible says (barring the Jesus story). Just that the Christian God is the supreme God and Jesus is the Messiah.
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@Alpha Which is exactly what I said. You have to believe in the Bible's rendition of God and that Jesus is the messiah. That's it. Everyone who believes in God believes in something without evidence or with personal interpreted evidence. My point is there is no difference from believing in God and Jesus and a Christian, regardless of how you feel towards the Bible. I know some Christians that don't believe most of the Bible at all. That its just a parable or stories with morals.
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@andioop-7261 Repentance only deals with specific denominations. Some don't believe repentance does anything. Others think you can sin, but make up for it through good works, prayer, or meerly asking for forgiveness. "You aren't a real Christian" is a fallacy. Catholics and Protestants believe differently, but are both sects of Christianity.
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No, she's just being over dramatic. You absolutely can by guns at shows without a background check in most states, but I doubt a vendor would sell you 20 at once.
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Its because of evolution and we lucked out on the fusion of chromosome 2. Thanks frontal cortex.
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Your rights stop where anothers start. I don't have the right to ypur kidney. The fetus doesn't have a right to my uterus. They both have to be consensual.
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@gruntwithripit1386 It doesn't matter if the embryo "chose" it or not. You did not choose to get pregnant. That is an act that happens independently of choice. And just as with all consequences, you have to choose how you deal with it. Abortion is one of those choices.
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@gruntwithripit1386 You are responsible, and its also your responsibility to make a decision for yourself. Whether that is parenthood, adoption or abortion. Again, your partner and you didn't choose to get pregnant (unless of course you're actively trying). Whether you want to claim its irresponsible is your opinion. I think birthing a child and then neglecting or abusing it because you are unfit is irresponsible. I understand. I'm not angry. I simply have a different perspective.
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No, it wasn't. That's deliberately misinterpreted.
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Not really true. Its only illegal to buy a gun from a dealer without a background check. But private sellers in most states are not required to perform a background check.
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@navyavadlamudi1899 Uhh no. That is not true. Unless you are going through a private adoption, then they do go into foster care. Thats what a STATE ADOPTION is. Its really not as easy as you think it is.
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@ethanm.2411 Nothing is objectively wrong, but you can use subjectiveism towards an objective framework. For the US, thats the Constitution. Is it subjective? Yes. But its the objective framework because thats what our country is based on.
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@ethanm.2411 Its wrong to me, but no. Its not objectively wrong. Because the definition of objectivity requires everyone to collectively agree, and some people justify torture. I do not change the definitions of words to suit my narrative.
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@ethanm.2411 Except I didn't. I gave you the exact definition of objectivity as defined when it comes to morality. Its you who twists the words to suit your definition. I am not using the philosophical meaning of objectivity. I'm using the established, or colloquial, definition. I have no interest in debating philosophy, because we will never agree. Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. This is the definition I gave. I do not believe in objectivity because it is not universal. Thus, while I personally could never excuse child torture, someone else could. By the way, even by your definition, it would not be objective. There is no natural fact of the world that child torture is wrong. Thats a societal and social construct. Objective: not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. This cannot be used in cases of morality, because there is no facts to base morality on. This, however, can apply to your Earth analogy. The Earth being round is an objective fact, as it can be seen and tested as such. The one trying to suit their narrative is you. I have no horse in this race.
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Its only valuable if you believe it to be. That is not inherent. That was the point.
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No, we're not. We're the middle with pigs.
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@AJ-lm5dl As if that's what happens in abortions. Continue the dishonest narrative that most abortions are performed this way when they aren't.
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@MariaLopez-jd4tt Being punished doesn't mean we need a death penalty. Even if we grant the premise of justice, which is entirely subjective, its not practical.
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Because that will stop criminals from having guns, right?
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@Rose-bl9df No it won't. It will be much harder for citizens to get guns. We tried to ban drugs and now have a major gun problem. Funny how all of the places that have massive restrictions on guns have the most gun violence.
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@Rose-bl9df Because everything you said is wrong.
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@Rose-bl9df You clearly aren't using stastistics. A majority of shootings happen in states that have heavy gun control.
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Thats not the argument. Plants are not sentient and humans in general have no nutritional need for meat. That's the vegan moral argument.
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Not so much a lie as it is misinformation. Its not that hard to buy a gun without a background check.
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Every state has background checks if you're buying from a dealer who holds an FFL. Most states do not have background checks on private sales. Never have I had a background check when I purchased a firearm.
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Nope, thats not true. I'm a humanist and think abortion is okay. Not on a moral ground, but a legal one. Even if I granted you abortion is wrong, I could argue forcing a child into a life statistically of abuse and neglect is wrong as well. Then it becomes a matter of lesser of two evils. By the way, if you're using the life argument, then you admit to being a hypocrite. Unless of course, you are vegan, anti-gun, anti-death penalty and anti-military.
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That isn't why people are upset. She continues to spout things that aren't true about vaccines, and didn't even accept the possibility that ANYTHING OTHER than the vaccine caused her daughters injuries. By the way, if you browse through Facebook, she is absolutely against children getting vaccines.
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Because they have no rights. We can argue that they should, but they don't. And even if they did, their rights would be equal to their mothers.
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@viki_kemp And getting an abortion is just as responsible as raising or giving it up for adoption. As long as its using her organ to survive, it is her liberty it is violating.
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IssyFishyy That's your opinion. You're entitled to it.
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IssyFishyy Its not nihilism to find no inherent value in life. Value doesn't have to be inherent for it to mean something.
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@Nicolos117 A fetus has no right to life, if we're being honest. And even if it did, it would not overshadow a right to a woman's liberty. I doubt you know how most abortions are performed. And who cares if she aborts to pursue her career? That's a good thing. She needs to be able to support herselr before a child.
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@Nicolos117 Except it doesn't. A surgical abortion is very rarely used in the first trimester. A woman is given a medication that causes the body to abort a fetus, and the woman is then given a D&C as if she had a miscarriage. You can even ask for the remains back should you wish. I know several women, myself included, who have their aborted or miscarried children's remains. I actually agree that abortions should be more restrictive. Late second and third trimester abortions are nearly exclusively done for medical reasons. And what organizations are those? Please enlighten me. Because I'm sure they are, but have very limited resources. And they are certainly not available nationwide. Believing it is murder doesn't make it reality. Its's not. Murder is a legal term which abortion does not fit under. And yeah actually. If you force a woman to carry a pregnancy, you are violating her right to liberty. Just like even if a person is going to die, they are not entitled to another person's organ without consent.
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@Nicolos117 You are not responsible for any other lifeform. Period. It is not a mother's fault that a fetus cannot live outside of her uterus. You have a right to your uterus.
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@Nicolos117 Except you do when it is infringing on your right to liberty. Especially since a fetus has no rights
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@Nicolos117 You are sentient. A fetus is not. And again, no. Because a fetus doesn't have a right to liberty.
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@Nicolos117 people in a coma are sentient and have brain activity, though limited. Unless they are brain dead. In which, no. That's why a person or doctor can take someone off of life support.
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@Nicolos117 You only have rights because a government says you do. Whether or not you believe it has rights is up to you. Abortion has never been a moral issue for me. Its been a legal one.
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@Nicolos117 Morality is subjective.
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@viki_kemp Well, personally, I would try to make both work. But yeah. I am. Beacuse you kind of need a career/income to take care of a child. But I also don't put value on life.
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@viki_kemp Not everywhere there aren't. And they only have a certain number of funds. Quit pretending like there's all these programs willing to foot bills and help a mother raise a child post birth. That's just not reality.
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@viki_kemp No it isn't and it also isn't always an option unless you give it to the state. I would rather have been aborted then ever had been born to an unfit mother or be in foster care. And there are thousands of children like me.
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But where do you draw the line at mental health? Anxiety, depression and OCD are all mental illnesses. I suffer from depression and have had suicidal thoughts in the past. Should I therefore not be allowed to own a firearm, even though I'm a law abiding citizen protected under the Constitution? That's the issue. Many of the anti gunners want NO ONE to have a firearm.
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@user-vp7yk7lj4w That is blatantly unconstitutional. I've had suicidal thoughts in the past. I should no be stripped of my right to defend myself because I have depression.
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I'm an atheist because there is no evidence for a God.
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@loveyourselfbts2439 There is evidence for oxygen. He can scientifically test for oxygen
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@loveyourselfbts2439 Yes it is. We named it oxygen because of it's chemical make up. Whatever you would like to name it, we can physically and scientifically test that it exists. If you want to claim oxygen doesn't exist, you're just a moron.
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So in other words, you're a hypocrite.
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Lizzie Allen Because Plan B is available everywhere and is safe for everyone right? Oh wait.
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Lizzie Allen Their website lists nothing about buying it online, only lists of stores where you can find it. Birth control pills are prescribed by a doctor and once again, not everyone can safely take them.
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Well, at least you're respectful. But you still step on the rights of the pregnant and the dying.
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That would only raise mass slaughter. You would be amazed by how many people are saved because citizens have and know how to use a firearm.
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@theyautjawarrior6652 I think to shame someone for making a poor decision is unbeneifical and vile. It doesn't make them want to do better and pull their lives together. We should want to help those who make mistakes like this, not vitrify them.
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But thats not the issue ethically.
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@135iN55 The problem is you are trying to put one right (right to life) above the others. And actually, if you wanted to get technical, they are debatable, as you have no "unalienable rights" without a government. Nature simply doesn't care.
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@135iN55 There is no such thing as natural law. God has never been proven to exist, so he cannot make laws. Only humans who attribute laws to him. This is why I argued from a technical perspective, not a legal or governmental one.
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@DarkSpice84 Because "pure atheists" don't say there is no God. They simply don't believe in God. Gnostic atheists say there is no God, but they make up the small minority
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@moose7336 Because she used her trauma as a guilt tactic to spin a narrative. I'm all for her choice, but when you use it to make others feel bad about a position they hold, that's manipulative. She had her choice. A choice she wants to strip from others.
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In Indiana, you have to be 16 to buy certain rifles, 18 for others, and 21 for a handgun. Background checks are only necessary if buying from a dealer.
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Too bad that can't always be prevented unless potentially unhealthy decisions are made.
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We don't know that since crime reporting is unverified in China and Iran. And you're seriously comparing dictatorships to the US? You know they don't report on the murders THEY commit, right?
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But criminals do have guns. So I want a gun to be able to shoot them before they can shoot others
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No, it is absolutely about both. If you're truly pro-life by definition, you want to see abortion outlawed completely. And by the way, states already have a cutoff date. There's just no federal cutoff date.
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@strive4252 I have no problem with suicide. That is up to the individual. And actually, yes. I do believe that death is better than life in certain situations. Suicide occurs when pain outweighs pain management. Your analogy makes no sense. You are comparing a group of sentient individuals who can make conscioua decisions to a non-sentient unborn fetus. "Obviously thats not right" Says who? Thats your subjective opinion. "Who are you to say which lives deserves living?" You are doing the same thing. You just have. I'm a failed abortion, and despite my accomplishments, i wish my mother had succeeded in aborting me. And there are millions of people who feel the same way, just as there are people who strive for life.
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Most vegans draw a line at sentience. Its not so much comparing animals to humans as it is hypocrisy towards animals. Killing a cat or a dog, even for food, would land you a prison sentence. Why is it any different for a cow or pig? That kind of thing.
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@fellowweeb3716 Neither does pro-choice.
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@fellowweeb3716 That doesn't make it murder. Murder is a legal term.
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M Murder is only a legal term.
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M That would be an incorrect use of the term "murder". And you knew I was speaking from an etymological perspective. I shall be more specific then. Murder, as a term that deals with the subject of death, is only a legal term. Is that better? "Gravely immoral killing" is a subjective phrase and has nothing to do with the definition of murder. In the field of ethics, I could debate you that while abortion is "immoral" it is better than the alternative. I don't understand why that concept is so hard to understand.
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Show me a fetus that can grow without parasitzing my nutrients via implantation in my uterus and then you can argue its not my body. It does not exist without the ability to implant. Should I be allowed to have a doctor take your kidney or lung without consent because it saves my life, since life is so much more valuabe than autonomy? Should hospitals be banned from slow codes and DNR's? Should women not be allowed to recieve treatment for ectopic pregnancies?
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What other argument is there for pro-life? I am eager to hear why you are pro-life. Especially since pro-life doesn't just apply to abortion.
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You dont pay nearly as much for a lifer that you do for a death row convict. Most murders are crimes of passion, done in the heat of a moment. Those killers aren't psychos, and they are sorry. And you very much can reform from that. There is no practical reason for the death penalty
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They can't suffer. They lack a nervous system.
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Carnivorous animals cannot be vegan. They nutritionally need meat to survive. Humans are not carnivores. In fact, you could not live on a carnivorous diet. You would destroy your digestive system. Humans, technically, are frugavores, which are omnivores that favor fruits. The issue when it comes to the plants vs animals debate isn't life. Its senitence. Animals are sentient. Plants are not. I have no problem with a dietary choice, but please try to be informed.
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@listentochangeyourlife No, I'm well aware of that. I know we are not the only animals that can eat meat. How is that relevant or hypocritical? You don't need meat to live like a carnivore does. Sentience requires a brain. Plants do not have brains nor nervous systems. So they physically can't be sentient. I don't even think you know what the word hypocrite means, since you can't spell it.
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Funny, considering statistics don't back up being anti-gun. Unless you try and make false equivalencies.
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How did I hurt you?
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@boxer7982 But she doesn't represent the vegan community as a whole.
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Yeah no...thats not how that works...
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Doesn't take into account failed abortions
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@toniniskillz6608 I meant people who mothers attempted to abort but failed
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@nicoleclevenger1562 You are 99% genetically similar to your parents. We don't consider that unique un biology, but I'll grant you that premise philosophically. Also, will never exist again? You sure? Ever heard of twins? Adoption is not always an option. You being a surrogate mother means nothing. There's a legal process that has to be done for private adoptions, which you of all people know, isn't free.
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@Humanity Galatica Except its not. And you know that. And if you don't, then you have 0 idea what a state or private adoption looks like.
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@Humanity Galatica Except its not. If you don't have the money to pay for a lawyer for a private adoption, you can't do it. And the state could simply refuse to take the child because of a number of reasons. That leaves you stuck with it. So no, not always an option.
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Probably because someone would have clarified saying its poor nomenclature for private sales at gun shows.
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No one smart denies that abortion terminates life. But it is not murder. Murder has an established definition. You don't get to change it because you don't agree with it. I can have an abortion because it my Constitutional right. Its that simple. Killing does not equate to murder in all scenarios.
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That isnt true. Never had a background check on any of my guns. Depends on who you're buying from
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Thats actually not true. Most gun crimes are performed with legally obtained firearms.
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Ken MacDonald No actually. Most crimes are done with legally possessed firearms. You didn't do any research. In fact, only 28% of gun related homicides and mass shootings are done with an illegally purchased firearm. Most guns used in crime may be illegal for the person carrying them, but are not illegal theselves.
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Ok Susceptible A failing, broken thing that isn't always reliable and can be more expensive than having an abortion depending on where you live.
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Ok Susceptible It depends. Some places have programs that will care for the child for free until the child can be put in the system. Other places have grants you can apply for that will help you financially while you wait. Sometimes, neither of these things happen, and you are forced to pay for the child until you can put it up for adoption.
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I'm against the death penalty. I'll gladly have an intelligent conversation with you.
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If people really feel that way, they just haven't done their research to be honest. Measuring by calories, broccoli has more protein than beef.
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And how is capital punishment any kind of suffering? Especially when its usually a needle in the arm, and a completely painless procedure as long as staff don't fuck it up?
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@madtrain8515 I think its useless qnd unbeneficial
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...Then you are also an atheist. She made it clear she she didn't believe in a God. Agnostic is not a stand alone title, unless you mean philosophically. She is an agnostic atheist.
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The fallacy is strong with you.
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Yes he does. Don't sleep with someone who isn't protected. He also has just as many rights when that child is born as she does.
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@sunnyskies6118 Women can't back out of parenthood anymore than men can should they choose to have that child.
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Explicitly saying there is no God only applies to philosophical atheism. You can be an atheist colloquially and an agnostic philosophically. You'd still be an atheist. I don't explicitly claim there is no God. That would make me a liar. I am still an atheist.
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@alexojideagu Because being shot is so much WORSE than being stabbed. Ooh...how about that man who murdered 19 people on a greyhound bus with a hunting knife?
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And you refuse to take into account that over 70% of those "gun deaths" are suicides and accidental discharges. The gun homicide problem stems mostly from gangs shooting other gangs. We don't have the problem you think we do. No. If you give more guns to people, you see the homicide rate decrease. The only thing that stops bad people with guns is good people with guns.
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Not at all.
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Most vegans have no problem with your choice. We just understand that you don't have to eat meat. The only thing I ask as a vegan is that you don't spread misinformation.
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@HYPERxSONICxFANx2012 If you truly have a dietary need for meat, then be all means. I take no issue with that.
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Then it isn't cheating.
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@matt1325 That's just...straight up not true.
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@matt1325 No of course not. But to claim it has "a lot of potential" is stating something you just can't know. That's allm
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Adoption should be looked into, but is a broken system.
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@TubeWolfTHEWolftuber Congrats. Your one of the lucky ones. Plenty of others are placed in homes where they are abused, neglected, and sometimes killed.
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@douglas carpenter I'm not, but believe what you will
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@douglas carpenter One, I'm a girl. And two, no I haven't.
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@douglas carpenter Politics is something I tend not to be involved in. This is what happens when you make assumptions without asking people what their position is. I do not view abortion as a moral debate. I view it as a legal one. I can agree that abortion is wrong, though I do not equate it to drowing a sentient child. I still think in many circumstances, it is the lesser of two evils
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@douglas carpenter No, you simply don't have a right to someone else's body without consent. Simple as that. "Right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness". A mother having an abortion is. None of my posts on my end have disappeared. I never delete comments
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Why?
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Except a majority of people who have lost people to violent offenders are anti-death penalty. What about them?
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Where did they day that? As an atheist, I don't believe I'm worthless. I just don't have INHERENT value. I.E. I'm not special just because I was born. And while I don't believe in an afterlife, that doesn't mean nothing matters. In fact, I would argue my life matters more to me. Your God is a feeling you have. Guess its deceiving as well.
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@renaissancefitness3515 Your feelings also don't matter and your belief doesn't make something true. I don't need God to be happy, its that simple. I do have moral ground. Its called humanism. We certainly can't look at the Bible for morals. With the rape, slavery and murder. And I'm sorry. You believe in a being in the sky that created everything and I'm the one living a fairytale?
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Maybe because you care about your fellow man, who you can prove actually exist?
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Not if the sale is private.
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Humans should have sympathy, regardless of who it is for. The mentally abnormal people are the people who have no sympathy, even for the criminals (who usually are victims on their own rights) There is nothing wrong with that
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A fetus in womb is not a baby. Nor is it murder, as it is not unlawful. If people WILL help the mother, most of the time she won't abort. She chooses to abort, a majority of the time, because no one will help her. I don't have the right to slaughter a baby. But I do have the right to terminate a non sentient parasite should I choose.
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I think they're usually speaking generally. In general, being vegan is healthier.
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A baby outside the womb is not infringing on anothers rights. It is also not biologically dependent on another organism. The cluster of cells is a bad argument. But the difference is, I'm a sentient cluster of cells. A fetus is not.
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Fuck You censoring cunts Yes it is. It falls under the right to liberty.
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Fuck You censoring cunts No, I'm educated on why abortion at this point in time is necessity and I understand the Constitution. Nobody has the right to another person's organ, either born or unborn. That is why Roe vs Wade passed. That is why it has never been overturned. That is why we cannot mandate blood or organ donation.
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@tiffany7023 The right to life cannot infringe on someone else's rights. And if we're being technical, a fetus has no legal rights, something even I disagree with.
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@Dave m So that gives Gid justification to punish children for the sins of their parents? And you see nothing wrong with that? Also, the new testament does not free you from the shackles of the old testament.
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@Dave m That is just a bold faced lie. Leave it to the fundamentalist to support genocide.
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So...advocating for animals is a cult now? I mean...SOME are culty. But not the majority.
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@metus5831 Thats a mature response.
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Not all do. And not all will. So its not a lie. It just needs to be expanded upon.
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@jonkuh825 It depends entirely on who you're buyig from. Some vendors are private sellers. They're bound my syaye laws. Others are dealers, and are bound to federl law
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Snow Flake Thats not a first. Many others, including myself, have posted comments about wishing they had been aborted.
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No he's not.
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No, those are vegetarians. Vegans abstain from all animal based products. No milk, dairy, eggs, silk, leather etc. Unless it isn't made from animal byproducts.
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Nobody murders a child during an abortion.
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M That's meerly your viewpoint. And no, it is potential. The fetus's cells are living and devloping with it. But I place merit on sentience and not life.
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M Its life in the physical and literal sense. But to me, not in the philosophical sense. I don't believe anything is inherently valuable, sentient or otherwise. For me though, sentience is where I believe the line should be drawn when it comes to rights and most abortions. I've said this before, but I don't think I have to you. I don't view abortion as a moral issue. I don't argue morals. I view abortion strictly as a legal issue.
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M But everyone's sense of morality is different. Where you find abortion immoral, I see a need. And where I find forced birth immoral, you see value and structure. I completely agree. I think the may reason you and I disagree is because you place value on that fetus where I do not.
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@SydLane People dying is a natural part of life. Thats just the reality we live in. No, you're right. Killing is never definitively wrong. There are instances where killing is justified, such as war or self-defense. You believe killing is wrong because of the ideals you build based on the time period and society you are raised in. Not all people have that. I believe sentient life has more "value" over non-sentient life (though I don't believe either has inherent value). Its not inconsistent at all. I support the established rights of the mother over the supposed rights of the fetus. Inherent value does not equate to self value. I think people are valuable, both to themselves and others, but thats based on them. Its not something you're born with.
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@SydLane Because I have a viewpoint and I like to see other people's perspectives. I enjoy debatihg people. I enjoy learning new things. My basis for my beliefs comes from humanism. In the grand scheme, no. I don't think anything matters. But I do think it matters in life. Also, no. I didn't.
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M Perhaps to you, its a moral issue. I just don't personally view it as such. Yes I am a vegan. Have been for close to 10 years now. I place value on sentience because thats potential. If I'm being entirely honest however, I don't really like term valuable to describe people. Its just arbitrary. Thats when the legal thing kicks in. I just would like people to suffer as little as possible.
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@SydLane No I didn't. Based on the definition of murder, if it wasn't unlawful, then its not murder. Period. Even if by our standards now, it would be.
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@rantingguy1726 Depends entirely on what state you are in. My first two guns were purchased privately without a background check, one of them being an AR. Both firearms are perfectly legal.
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No. It provides no benefit to society.
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I doubt you do.
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Deadpool's Maximum Effort If for something to exist it has to have a creator, then what created God? You equate existence with creation, so for something to exist it has to have been created. The world is proof of the world's existence.
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Why do you say that?
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@bealightinthisdarkworld8225 Where is science does it say we came from rocks? Oh right. It doesn't. Nor does it say how the universe came into existence or if it had a beginning at all.
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@bealightinthisdarkworld8225 One working hypothesis is abiogensis, which can show us how we can get life from non-life. We evolved over millions of years. Where life first came from is currently unknown, and I don't think its a bad thing to say you don't know.
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They shouldn't be, but life isnt the issue. Sentience is what matters.
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Except it's NOT a deterrent, its MORE expensive because of the appeals process, and it's NOT justice.
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Jimins jams Amin She is facing the consequence and makes a responsible decision in whichever route she chooses to take, including abortion.
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Jimins jams Amin The law disagrees. She isn't killing a baby. She's aborting a fetus. The fetus, until a certain point, doesn't care if it's aborted. Treat the causes of why a.woman seeks an abortion, and only then can we end it.
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Jimins jams Amin No, a fetus is not a baby, either medically or scientifically. I never once said a fetus isn't living. It is. But that's not the point. It's not sentient.
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Jimins jams Amin I am well aware of that. However, that is way far off when most abortions take place, which is between 6 and 9 weeks. Personally, I would have the absolute cut off date at 15 weeks, when the fetus becomes sentient. No, scientists don't consider a fetus a baby because medically it's only a baby after it has been born.
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Jimins jams Amin Technically, in some states and at the federal level, you could have an abortion at 9 months. However, I believe in sentience as opposed to life.
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Jimins jams Amin Yes, and that is also when the brainstem develops to the point where it can feel pain, and it's systems are functioning independently from the mother.
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Jimins jams Amin And? I'm well aware of how biology works. It's still not medically considered a baby until after birth.
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@zoelou2975 You mean the Youtube video that has been debunked? Or the Youtube video taken out of context? Because both have been done. Everything in vaccines is something we naturally make or consume or something that is not harmful to us in the alloted doses. What do you people think are in vaccines that are so goddamn dangerous?
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@zoelou2975 Humans produce about 1.5 ounces of formaldehyde a day as a normal part of our metabolism. Perhaps do some common research.
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Not entirely accurate. Private sales don't require a background check in most states.
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@joshuaking8512 Yes it is. 37 states do not require a background check for private sales. You're thinking of buying from a store or dealer, in which case, you need a background check.
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@joshuaking8512 Oh. Yeah I was referring to the US. Sorry for the confusion lol.
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Polygamy and polyamory are not the same thing.
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@lewismathers1331 But its not a fact. Humans ARE animals.
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Too many generalizations. In general, veganism is healthier. But thats not always the case.
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@garnery-tv8226 We don't. That morality is taught to us. Its not inherent.
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@garnery-tv8226 They didn't. Morality is subjective and has evolved throughout time. Morality is different depending on who it is. Adam and Eve did not exist, and God has also never been proven to exist
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@garnery-tv8226 No, you misunderstood what I said. Morality is taught to us by the people around us. It is not something you're born with. When I said morality evolved, I meant as a concept. And actually, many species of animal do have a sense of right and wrong, especially when we're dealing with domestication.
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I don't see the comparison. Unless you mean extremists.
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It is incredibly sad the amount of people who can't understand the opposition to their own beliefs and want to make the choice for everyone.
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No, just be normal like everyone else without using animal products.
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Its not wise to generalize
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But people will have guns. Bad people WILL have guns. You just want no good people to have guns
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You literally contradicted yourself. You claim people should have a natural right to guns, but those who have mental health issues should not. Do you not understand that a majority of the population are mentally ill? Depression, anxiety and OCD are the most common, and being mentally ill does not make you inherently prone to violence. If "only certain people can do it" then its impossible to be a "natural right".
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@tylerjamesnazario1770 I have autism. I am a current medical school student, put myself through college, and work in the criminal justice field. I have never been violent. Why shouldn't I, a law abiding citizen with no history of problems, not have access to a firearm? Because I'm on the autism spectrum? That sounds like discrimination. You do not have to take a psychological test to drive. You simply take a test on whether or not you understand the laws behind operating a motor vehicle.
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Because the death penalty isn't a burden to society with how much it costs?
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That black and white way of thinking is why we have a broken criminal justice system. An 18 year old who has sex with his 17 year old girlfriend/boyfriend is a rapist in many states.
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@Madame_Kerny That actually is true. If you are under the age of consent, then you CAN'T give consent. My point was that your comment is a slippery slope.
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XXxkylebirchxXX Adoption is expensive and isn't always available. Agencies in the last few years have turned away mother's because they no longer have the room to carry more children. Adoption is one of the first options explored before deciding to have an abortion.
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XXxkylebirchxXX Yeah I know. This shit needs to be fixed.
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Get a dictionary.
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You do need to show a valid state issue ID in order to vote. In most states at least.
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Exactly. You don't live in America. I dont need a gun to feel safe. I just like owning one. It's just extra of I get to protect people. No one who owns a gun is afraid.
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Because the ramifications on a child when you force a mother to give birth is repulsive. When the root causes of why most abortions happen are eradicated, then we can live in a world without abortion. A world I'm sure even pro-choice wants to live in. To force that is unacceptable.
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Because I believe its unfair and possessive to give all my effort to one person when I'm in a relationship with two. I have built a strong relationship with both, but that may not be how everyone works
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@firstnamelastname4658 And I think its possessive and selfish to have only one person. Especially if they fall in love with someone else. But thats just me.
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You shouldn't be malnourished if you're doing a vegan diet correctly.
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@tseriesbad6746 They don't though.
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@thomasmerano8926 Because its a fact. They do not have brains nor nervous systems. They can't feel.
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I wonder if you would say that to a soldier.
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@newax_productions2069 We do when it involves our own rights. Sorry if that hurts.
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@newax_productions2069 So show me a fetus that can exist and develop outside of a uterus please. Maybe then you may actually have a point.
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@newax_productions2069 Sounds like someone flunked biology or anatomy and physiology. Tell me, how is something "seperate" if it is literally attached to something? If it doesn't exist without being attached? Yeah, facts do suck. And that's why you try to use lies and falsities to spin a narrative. Because the outcome is something you dislike. No, women who get abortions are not murdering children. You know what another term for a miscarriage is? Thats right. A self abortion. Everything that is organic is "just cells". Keep talking big like that as if you wouldn't jump at an abortion if someone you loved wanted or needed one.
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@newax_productions2069 That isn't what you said. You said a fetus is a seperate entity. Its not. And as far as DNA is concerened, you are 99% similar to your parents. And that's not the issue of abortion in the first place. You do not have the right to use another person's organ without the consent of that person, even in cases of life and death. I don't have the right to your kidney just because I'll die without one unless you give your consent. The uterus is the same thing.
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@newax_productions2069 Abortions are not performed by ripping apart a fetus unless it is a late term abortion. Late term abortions are ONLY performed for medical necessity. 96% of abortions are performed before 13 weeks. They are done via a pill, which forces the body to miscarry. A D&C is then performed. Abortion is the termination of a fetus. Whether that is done by an outside force or the body itself.
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@newax_productions2069 It isn't seperate. Its biologically attached to a uterus until the umbilical cord is severed after birth. It does not exist with attachment to the uterine wall. Your genetics have slight differences, but you are 99% genetically the same as your parents. Your difference come more from brain development and chemistry then genetics (though genetics absolutely plays a role in that). Fetus is the medically correct term for any mammal in utero. That doesn't make it less human. Its just the correct term.
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@newax_productions2069 It isn't seperate until after birth. At least if you're referring to the literal definition of seperate. The fetus dies if seperated from the uterus before its developed. No, science is quite clear. I believe something is just misunderstood between the two of us in terms of communication. If you mean seperate as in metaphysically, then you would be correct. I.e. differing from its mother. I was meaning the literal definition of seperate. I.e. attached to something or dependant.
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@newax_productions2069 A "heartbeat" actually usually begins at 6 to 8 weeks, but to call it a heartbeat medically is still not really accurate. What you're actually hearing is a flutter. Its a cluster of cells that will act as the pacemaker for the heart when it develops. The heart is far from developed at four weeks. Murder is a legal term. Its not murder. Its not a baby. Its a fetus, which she has the right to get rid of up to a certain time, as it is infringing on her rights. I'm not pretending anything. You just don't seem to know how anatomy works. And by the way, we don't place the value on someone medically based on a heartbeat. That is based on brain activity.
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Because laws should be based on practicality and logic, not emotion driven conclusions.
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Yes you could. I have. Just depends on who you're buying from.
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That is absolutely not true. Countries with the lowest crime rates have lax gun restrictions. Cultures, governments and populations are all different. While the countries your thinking of may put heavy restrictions and regulations on firearms, they certainly aren't banned to the public. Unless you live in a dictatorship.
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@kolika95 No, you do not know what you are talking about. For example, guns are heavily restricted in places like the UK and Australia. But you can still purchase a gun as a citizen. In a place like the US, more guns in citizens hands make people more safe. We do not have a gun crime problem.
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Hope you're aware that capital punishment is a bigger waste of money
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There is no research suggesting that the aluminum adjuvant present in the weak vaccines passes the blood-brain barrier. Not only that, but it is absorbed nearly instantly. There is no research linking this to AD.
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@scintilae670 If your articles are actually scientifically relevant and peer based, I will certainly read them. Eveverything I have read and been taught says the exact opposite.
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@matt1325 Value is determined by sentience. Its not and will never be inherent.
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Imagine not knowing that you can be poly and asexual.
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@kisaki3074 Because....I am asexual and poly. I am romantically involved with two men, but hold no sexual attraction to them. Also...no? No it isn't. Plenty of people are polyamorous and asexual. The only reason people are polyamorous is because they feel romantically attracted to more than one person, and don't feel they should have to choose. You...do realize you can have sexual contact...and be ace...right? Asexual is just a term for someone who has no sexual attraction to anything (which I don't). Also...what does sexuality have to do with gender...? Other than what your attracted to?
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@benedekvarga5778 Well, as an atheist, I am not running from a 2000 year old corpse. I simply hold no belief in the stories. That's all. Why is it so surprising to find out people don't believe in something that has never been substantiated? I didn't find peace in Christianity. I found hatred and vitrification. I didn't get to make my own decisons because I feared a being that, in reality, cannot be shown to exist at all. I found that suffocating. I still don't get what games had to do with anything.
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@benedekvarga5778 How does playing games conflate to running from something? That...that actually makes no sense. In your view, I cam't run from God. He's omnipotent. There are many Christians who do drugs and live like that. I became an atheist because its the most honest position in my opinon. I didn't leave Christianity because of a bad experience. I left because I realized that a belief in a God was unjustified. The restrictions were just the icing.
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Fetuses. Not babies.
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Men can already do that by terminating their rights.
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Lizzie Allen You do realize that some people can't afford 50 or 60 dollars and that in some states, you HAVE to have a prescription to get the morning after pill?
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Lizzie Allen Yeah. You're being disingenuous.
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@tyhall9530 Agnosticism means "without knowledge". Everyone should be agnostic. But it isnt a stand alone claim. Because it's not a belief claim.
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@user-pv9pv4xf9c That's called an agnostic atheist. An atheist doesn't deny a God may exist. They just dont believe in one. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@user-pv9pv4xf9c There is no historical evidence for any of the tales of the bible. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim.
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And they year after they banned guns nearly tripled their homicide rate. It has since fluctuated normally. By the way, guns are not banned in Australia. You can get them as long as you own a license.
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@bruntos31 No schools that allow their students to carry guns are being shot up either.
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@bruntos31 Mine does. As does most of the schools around my area. They are no longer gun free zones.
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@bruntos31 Not at all. The fact that everyone has a gun prevents mass shooters from targeting that area. Because they know of they tried, they'd be shot dead before they could do anything.
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@bruntos31 You aren't allowed to take your firearm into the club. That was a gun free zone. Correct. No one can be shot if there's no guns. But there are. So I don't see your point.
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I'm sorry you're too ignorant to realize how many people don't get the privilege of being adopted like you were, or are not adopted by loving families. You should consider yourself lucky.
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@anushkamargaj2322 No, I simply believe life holds no inherent value. I don't think being human makes you special. And many people would rather never experience life than be miserable. Thats why its a choice
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No. It is about my body. Specifically the right to use my body. And I have final say in that.
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As if it was just that simple.
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@leviticuscornwall9631 So what's the argument?
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Risen ™ I justify what is right and wrong based on my evolutionary ability to feel empathy and compassion. Technically, morality is human opinion. I don't think doing drugs in your own home or stealing for survival is wrong, but some do. By the way, you shouldn't look to religion as a "higher standard" for morality, considering it's full of horrible things.
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That's interesting because pro-life really has no solid secular argument.
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No, he was not right. Agnostic is not a noun. Most atheists are also agnostic.
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Chana Kielski Fetuses are not human beings. They have the potential to be human beings. Sex is a natural part of humans and protection fails. If a life is a life, then I guess you oppose capital punishment and are a vegan
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Imagine believing that because you love more than one person, you must be a sex fiend. You do realize you can be committed to multiple people, right?
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Thats a terribly slippery slope. For one thing, psychological tests are unconstitutional. For two, what do you define as "mentally unstable". I have depression and autism, yet own 3 guns. Never been violent with any of them. Should I have my right stripped on the grounds that I would fail a psyche test? As would MOST people?
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@stratocheese And how exactly do you go about detecting that? Sociopaths are often non-violent.
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You spend more money to execute.
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You can certainly reach a middle ground with most vegans. I understand why you eat meat, and that is your preference. However, to spread that its an unhealthy diet is a lie. It may not be right for everyone, but it certainly can be healthy. We are animals as well, and I think the moral side has to deal with hypocrisy.
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Probably were. But theres a difference between a sentient person and a non sentient parasitic fetus. Once that fetus is sentient, then abortion should be off the table.
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@fe4rxdemon47 That didn't make them any less of a sentient human, which is something a fetus isnt until a certain point.
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@Tbj2222 No, I'm not confused, because no you don't. There is no federal law mandating that people who set up booths at shows must have an FFL. Crowder was dishonest because he did his experiment in a state that he knew mandated all sales, whether privately or by a dealer. My state, for example, has no background check required at a show and no waiting period, unless the person who is running the booth is a dealer with an FFL. It is not illegal in 75% of the country to purchase a gun from a person without an FFL, so long as you are a resident in the state in which you are purchasing. There is no "procedure" at a show, unless the person selling is a dealer. That's the point. What are you not understanding?
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Because its unconstitutional and a slippery slope. People have psychological problems and are perfectly fine with firearms. How can you take a diagnosis and know what someone will do? Most people are mentally ill.
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@alexojideagu Mental health is part of the issue. But you can't deny someone a right because they're mentally ill. A majority of people who own guns are mentally ill. A psych test is not the way to go about it.
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@alexojideagu You could start by addressing the problems that make mental illness such an issue. Poverty and allowing people access to mental help should they need it.
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Well, technically its not wrong. Its just misnamed. Its really just referring to private sales at shows. Which happen quite frequently depending on where you live.
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Because its not a baby. And just because someone is pro-choice doesn't mean they wouldn't grieve over an emotional situation.
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Not all the time. Depends on the state and who your buying it from. Never had a background check on any of my legally purchased firearms.
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Or maybe not everyone thinks the same, and both people want a poly relationship. Why is that so wrong?
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Go see the statistics of countries with open carry. 3 have the lowest crime rates.
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@xelivo8315 Not necessarily. In some countries, guns are unnecessary. In others, they're in mass circulation and needed.
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@ratofvengence Thats not true. Russia has a higher homicide rate.
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@ratofvengence Yes it is. Theres no definiton of a 1st world nation, so your must using bias to suit your narrative.
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I respectfully disagree. I think any healthy and long lasting relationship is a rewarding thing. It does not simply apply to monogamy.
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You seem very close minded.
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@jamesmartin2740 Your absolutely wrong. Question. If everyone in your group wants to have an open relationship, how exactly is that selfish?
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@unknownsavagery4015 Your homicide rate actually skyrocketed after your ban and then gradually rose and fell at normal rates. You have not seen the same decrease in crime as the US. Countries are different. Do not compare them.
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Sorry, but psychology and science disagree with you.
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@aalvarado4274 Uhh no. The vast majority of the human race thinks that a relationship should be between consenting adults. You can be in love with any gender, any sex, and multiple people. Just get over it.
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@aalvarado4274 No, they don't. Because they actually understand science. I'm not butthurt. I'm just rational. And am living proof you can have a happy family with more than one person.
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An agnostic is a person who doesn't know. Honestly, this should be everyone. Its a redundant term when speaking anything other than philosophically.
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Most places will give you free vaccinations.
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So you disagree with polyamory because you dated someone who wasn't a right match for you? That's actually ridiculous.
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No, the question has nothing to do with life. The question has to do with sentience. As a failed abortion yes. I would have rather been aborted.
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@amberpowell2609 I am a failed abortion. And you're absolutely mistaken. Only a minority of people who grow up in unhealthy and toxic homes live normal lives. You said "ask those kids if they would have rather had a hard life or been aborted" I am ONE of those kids. I would have rather been aborted, despite my accomplishments.
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Do you not realize that it's cheaper to give someone a life sentence than a death sentence?
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I read every label and every insert of every vaccination or medication I give my child. No one has died of a vaccine that has been proven by a link since 1991. And yes, injuries can occur. They can also occur with any medication. You can believe whatever conspiracy you want.
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For the same reason people look down on hunting and cooking humans or companion animals. Because they're sentient creatures that don't deserve treatment like that. If most people knew how their burger got from field to plate, I know many people who wouldn't eat it. But you do you. Perhaps some people just prefer not to harm animals.
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@matt1325 I have a question for you then. What definition of life are you looking for? A medical definition? A biological one? A metaphysical one? And are you asking for the definition of "life" or "living"?
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No its not. Its reality. You aren't valuable because you exist. Your value is only determined by what YOU place on yourself in combination with how others view you.
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Because there's no reason too. What is in vaccines and their potential effects is well documented and known.
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oh papatya Lol no he wasn't. An agnostic is simply a claim of "I don't know." Everyone is agnostic, or should be. She is an agnostic atheist, a person who doesn't believe in a god but doesn't know if one exists
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Yet you wanna take away the ability for someone to protect themselves.
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Because he was being an asshole and constantly picking a fight and thinking his beliefs were facts
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Just because humans are animals does not mean you need meat. You don't. At least not in general.
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Bray Bray Vlogs BBV T No it's a belief. If it's a fact, you need evidence.
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Not entirely true. Depends on who your buying from. 37 states put no restrictions on private sales.
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@oppenheimerfaaaaaan5547 True. That however is not the majority
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@schouvler25 There is no federal law regarding private sales, so I have no idea what you are talking about. All I was saying is that you can buy a gun privately without a background check in most states. That's all. I understand you can't buy whatever. No where did I say that. Those of us who are pro-gun need to be educated so that we can stop misinformation.
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@schouvler25 Okay? Then you perhaps purchased firearms in states that either did require a background check, or the purveyor performed a background check because they wanted to. The state I live in requires no such thing, nor does 37 other states that puts no restrictions on private sales. I have never personally had a background check on any firearm I purchased. Its not my fault that you're wrong. Neither Georgia nor Arizona have any priave sale background check requirements. A "show" doesn't mean the sale fell under that category. Does the person hold an FFL? There are so many other explanations. Providing ID is normal in all states.
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@schouvler25 No it doesn't. It just means you are making a claim about something that is not the case. Would you like me to show you the case law in all 50 states regarding private sales? Just because you bought a gun outside of a store does not mean you a) bought it privately or b) the seller was legally required to perform a background check. I don't really care whether or not you think the purchases I made were legal. If we went to case law and counted the number of states that do not require a background check, its 37. I can name them for you if you wish. Of course your required to show ID, because all states put an age limit of purchasing firearms. If the group ordinance that sponsored the show owned an FFL, then the sales weren't private. You were buying from a dealer. Then it makes sense that you would need a background check. I was referring to gatherings of other citizens who are selling guns who do not possess an FFL, or some random friend that wants to sell you their guns. Those are private sales. The "gun show loophole" doesn't exist. Its a red herring that refers to the occasional private sales of guns at shows. There is no loophole because the law doesn't require private sellers to perform background checks in most states.
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@schouvler25 In reviewing the case law, it is now 30 states that do not require background checks for private purchase, if that makes you feel better. The 37 is because the remaining 7 do not mandate checks on rifles and shotguns, but do for handguns.
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@schouvler25 The case law is easily found online. I'm not a lawyer. My education is in Forensics and Biology. Though I do have some lawyer friends and enjoy that kind of content. I'm sorry that you feel they are incorrect. More than happy to show you the private sale laws for the 50 states. Or you can research them online. No information I gave was false. 30 states do not require background checks on any firearm for private sales, and a following 7 have no background checks for rifles. It seems to me we are on the same side. Is the confusion coming from the "restrictions?" As opposed to saying "background checks/restrictions independent of federal law?"
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@schouvler25 That would be a false equivalency. Again, just because you had a restriction does not mean it was mandated by law. Or it simply could mean the sale was not a private sale to begin with, as you described previously. I can't change your mind if you say you don't believe me. I have no way of verifying that to a stranger over the internet. It wouldn't matter if the specific person you bought them off of doesn't have an FFL. You described a show where you said the sponser held an FFL. If the dealer is sponsering the event, those sales aren't private, even if the people selling them to you don't have an FFL. I wasn't there so I may be confused on what you were actually describing. If that's the case, I apologize.
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@djhallmighty Your lack of intelligence astounds me.
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I am a victim, and I would never support the death penalty. I don't know if you are talking about these people specifically, or anti-death penalty advocates in general, but the facts and logic? They side against the death penalty.
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Eh. Thats not true. Dietary needs and balance vary from person to person.
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Do you understand why doctors do not perform those procedures on people that young? Because it's not reversible, and they don't want to be sued.
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@le_hope8349 No. There has never been any medical evidence to prove that aborting lowers your risk of pregnancy. Unless of course you choose the back alley method of abortion. Sex is only for procreation if you are religious. Sex is healthy for the body. That's why it's pleasurable.
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@le_hope8349 Then she went to a person who didn't know what they were doing and damaged her uterus. Abortions do not risk your chance of getting pregnant. There has been no scientific evidence of that. Correlation does not equal causation. Yes I do. I had to have my uterus removed completely. I'll never be able to birth children because of something that someone else did to me. I never said it wasn't traumatic. It is. But You do stupid things when you're young that you later regret. Sterilisation is permenant.
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Not true. It general, its healthier than eating meat. But nothing works for everyone. If you're healthy and a meat eater, then most vegans don't have an issue.
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They would both probably die depending on what plants and animals were in that forest, but the omnivore would probably survive longer. What argument are you trying to make?
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@flyingreins No, an omnivorous can be a correct diet for a human. Humans are not obligate omnivores. They don't need meat with access to proper nutrition. Depends on the specific animals involved. Yes, and some of them have completely died out because of parasite present in food. Prion diseases for instance. If you live in the West, you can be completely healthy (and in general healthier) than a person who consumes meat products. I have never been healthier now that I'm vegan. But its not for everyone.
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@SaturatedCat Veganism has nothing to do with depression but looking unhealthy doesn't mean they are. I'm heather as a a vegan
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@SaturatedCat Anything can lead to mental health issues, especially if you have undiagnosed problems. You cannot solely blame that on a lifestyle choice. Meat-eating fed my depression, because I was already self-conscious about my body. Everyone is different.
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@SaturatedCat If you do the vegan diet properly, you won't have any nutrient deficiencies.
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@SaturatedCat Again, if you do a proper vegan diet, you don't need supplements. I've been vegan for over a decade and take 0 supplements. All of my nutrients come from food.
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Nedjie Thompson What she meant is you aren't born valuable. You aren't special just because you exist. You're special because you live a life uniquely your own. The experiences you have is what makes your life valuable.
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A child in the womb doesn't have legal rights until it gains sentience.
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@raspberrygloss6013 Guess what a miscarriage is called? A self-abortion. There's no difference except one is the body while the other is external.
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@raspberrygloss6013 Key words being "can be". Why are you afraid of having a discussion?
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@mcervas Bob Sears wanting to protect children and not being against vaccines. When you make a false medical exemption to your board to stop a child getting a vaccine, how is that helpful?
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Everyone is agnostic, or should be. She's also an atheist.
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The irony is so strong with you.
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@MrBuggsBunnyPT The fact that you call something with 0 evidence "truth" and call atheists ignorant is incredibly ironic.
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@MrBuggsBunnyPT Nature is not proof of intelligent design. Theres no research to do on the existence of Jesus because he's never been proven to exist, even though I still think he did. As you are not an atheist, you don't have any authority to say what I do or don't believe. I don't believe "everything came from nothing" though that's certainly a possibility. Unlike you, I'm perfectly fine admitting I don't have all the answers. I'm not interested in a fictional movie about Jesus. You have no knowledge on this subject, only an indoctrinated belief. The only one here who says "I don't know" is me as an atheist. YOU'RE the one who claims knowledge by stating there is a God.
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@MrBuggsBunnyPT DNA isnt proof of intelligent design either. It is not a code written by God. You don't even look up your own apologetics. Yes, I believe a man named Jesus existed. That's just probility accurate. What I don't believe in is the so called miracles he performed, as there is no evidence of that. I have knowledge on the subject. You don't. You just spout your beliefs as facts. Perhaps scientifically impossible based on OUR ESTABLISHED laws of physics. But its certainly not impossible outside of those laws. You certainly act like you have all the answers, as you assert the existence of a God without any evidence of one. How is that saying "I don't know?" I know exactly what you are talking about, and yes it is fictional. There is 0 provided documentation for the events. You are only bringing your beliefs and you've always been Christian. Catholics are the largest sect of Christianity. You were still born an atheist, and then raised to believe in something. Now, whether or not you have chosen to be believe based on your own research and experience is on you. But don't claim them as facts. You have given me no evidence that a God let alone YOUR God exists. Sin does not exist to me.
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@MrBuggsBunnyPT You apparently don't understand what a scientific theory is. Both evoultion and the big bang have evidence behind it. All you're giving me is "look at nature". Nature is only proof of the world's existence. Evolutionary biologists disagree with you. There isnt, but statistically speaking, there probably was a man named Jesus. That I don't deny. I believe a man named Jesus probably went around preaching. I do not believe in anything other than that. Miracles don't exist to me. Also, no there isn't. The only "evidence" for his miracles was a book written decades after he died. Continue to believe you have found evidence. It doesnt make you right. You are using a fallacy called confirmation bias. The bible is truth? Demonstrate that. How do you know the Bible is true? You are wrong. You are stating a belief as fact. The rules we live by only pertain to us. We have no way of knowing how laws of physics work outside of it. You just don't understand how physics work. My whole point was that laws don't exist. So for all you know, the universe did just "come from nothing" The Bible has never been proven to be anything other than a fairytale. Many historians who used the Bible at one time later found out they were wrong, because the Bible is full of scientific inaccuracies and lies. Christianity is dying. More and more people are turning away from religion, or following religion in a secular light. As people go up the education ladder, they become more agnostic and atheists. You were predisposed to religion. You haven't found anything. You found what you believe to be God. And theres no issue with that. Once again, yes they do. Catholics are the largest sect of Christianity. There are 14,000 denominations. Of course you are. That doesn't mean they are. They are your beliefs. People have been saying that for millennia, and it's still unfounded. Again, there is no documentation during that time of how they died. It was written decades after. I'm not lazy. I'm intellectually honest enough to say that a belief in something should be withheld until evidence is presented. Correction: I don't NEED a God to tell me what I can and cannot do. I'm a good person to my fellow man. That's all that should matter to him if he exists. I'm not being ignorant. You're being intellectually dishonest and biased.
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Kyle Teeter No, the old man isn't right. She clearly said she didn't believe in a God. That makes her an atheist. Atheists are agnostic. Do you know what an atheist is?
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Why? Because we can protect ourselves while you hide behind the people who shouldn't have to protect you?
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I'm a nice vegan. We're not all like this.
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I feel the lack of knowledge of why abortions occur and the failure of basic biology when it comes to the issue of sentience and a fetus is sad.
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Some people can use condoms or take plan b. Also, a fetus isnt an infant.
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Most people are against the death penalty for good reasons. If it did something beneficial that life in prison couldn't do at a cheaper price, most would be for it.
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@IssyFishyy Because it does? Others may share it. I don't deny that. But you can only really speak for yourself.
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Sentience.
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@muhammadnailrifqillah7893 Plants don't have sentience because they lack a nervous system and brainstem.
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@muhammadnailrifqillah7893 She does not speak for all vegans.
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Furry Destroyer One, not a liberal. Two, plants can't feel pain, as they lack a central nervous system or a brain.
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You do know that adoption is foster care right? They're the same thing?
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@axellarsson7447 No, I don't think he could be "forgiven" nor put back into society. Though I also don't think he needed to die. It provided nothing beneficial.
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People who believe a fetus is a baby and want to see people killed for an action like abortion need to be locked in a psych ward.
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Polyamory is not cheating. Polyamory is when all parties know and are comfortable with the relations that one another had. You weren't polyamorous. You're a cheater. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Because the majority of the US is Christian.
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That doesn't mean it isn't a cluster of cells. That's all organic matter.
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Most polycules (especially if closed) require everyone to get screened for an STD before entering the polycule. Polycules often also live together so tracking contraception is fairly easy.
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@kayleigh3648 Then that just seems bigoted and judgemental. I would argue those I know who are poly are far more likely to be upfront, honest and loyal then most monogamous people. If you're going to make the argument that "I don't know if my partners cheated", I could make that same argument for any monogamous relationship. How do you know your partner has never cheated? It runs both ways. You just kinda seem judgemental of someone who is happy in a different lifestyle than you.
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How is loving multiple people and being happy degenerate?
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@gyanko8147 No, I don't get it. Because it makes no sense. People are more than capable of being in love with multiple people and being happy.
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Most often. You're quite ignorant if you believe that most cops are evil.
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No one. They know plants are alive. But they aren't sentient.
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Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The "gun show loophole" just refers to private sales at gun shows.
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You are right that prison should be used to rehabilitate someone. However, the death penalty is even more of a waste of money than life imprisonment. If it provides no benefit to society then it should be done away with. The death penalty should have went out with the dark ages
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@MyChannel-eo8ic No, all 5 methods of execution practiced in the United states are more expensive than life imprisonment. If your law is not practical nor provides any benefits, it should be done away with.
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@MyChannel-eo8ic We still have hanging, and it is still more expensive than life in prison. Life imprisonment is practical and does benefit society, though I would prefer we focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment.
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Pro-life believes abortion and euthanasia are wrong because they terminate life, and usually think they should be outlawed. Pro-choice believes is should be up to the individual to make the best decision regarding their situation, even if it kills life.
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Strawman argument.
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Hey, listen up. If you have an abortion it IS NOT murder. That is not an opinion that is a fact. The cardiovascular system doesn't even form until 4 weeks, and if you can detect a heartbeat at 6-7 weeks, that is the mothers doing. A fetuses heart does not beat on it's own until between 10-12 weeks, when the brainstem is formed. That's when most heartbeats are detected. The fetus has no choice, because it has no brainstem nor sentience. Why doesn't the cow that you shoved down your throat for dinner have a choice? Because it lacks higher cognitive function. Adoption is not always an option. It is NOT free and children HAVE been turned away, because of lack of room and funds. Adoption certainly should be looked into, but is not always an option. No, it isnt necessarily better for the baby. That baby may never be adopted. Then guess what happens? It is kicked out at 18 with nothing. Only basic education and no way to get a job or go to college. That's not even considering the fact that they may be taken into abusive households. It is alive. So what? So are cows, chickens and pigs. You don't give a damn about them. Just because she had severe problems doesn't mean everyone does. Also no. I'm not pro-abortion. That implies that I want women to have abortions, or I think they are obligated to. You want to restrict people's rights, but you wouldnt save anyone by doing that
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The same way you love multiple friends. Just in a romantic way. Or the same way you fall in love with another person after a breakup. No, its not just lust. Asexual polyamorous people, like myself, exist. I love both my partners just as much as a monogamous person loves their's.
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@JoeyB0b What I meant by porential life is living and experiencing. Not simply being alive from a biological perspective.
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@JoeyB0b Yes. Most would say there is a difference between living and being alive.
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@JoeyB0b No, I would argue that from a philosophical perspective, there is absolutely a difference between being alive and living. But yes I would agree with the latter statement.
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@miaortiz8575 So is the mcdonalds you ate for lunch. And its hilarious hearing people talk about a heartbeat like a fetal heartbeat is anything conparable to say, a 24 week old. You can't even hear a fetal heartbeat.
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That "baby's body" doesn't exist without being a parasite on me. Period. I decide what happens to it. No one has the right to my body without my consent. Heartbeat doesn't matter. The cow you ate for dinner had a heartbeat. What people care about is brain function. That should be the deciding line.
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@shiningstar2559 Those with alzheimers are still sentient and sapient persons. A fetus is not.
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@shiningstar2559 And? Most abortions take place before the end of the first trimester. And its because the brain is fuctional. Unlike a fetus who has no developed brainstem. And again, sentience matters.
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While women may have more endorphins in their brain in general, this is not always the case. In medicine, we don't treat "genders" differently. You may need different attention based on your sex, but not gender.
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@aj-mi4mq The rule doesn't exist. Gender has nothing to with biology. Its a social construct. Rules do not apply in medicine and science.
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@aj-mi4mq No I speak from scientific fact. Whether you like it or not is on you
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@v.m.4453 Because my brain works like that of a female? Not that hard to understand.
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@aj-mi4mq The fact is gender is sociological and sex is biological.
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@aj-mi4mq We don't prove things in science. Science is based on current evidence. No one is changing reality. Gender is a sociological concept. It always has been.
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@danedds1068 @Dan Edds As someone who works in the CJ field, I absolutely contest that rape has one of the higest conviction rates (unless of course, you are perhaps counting statutory rape). My point is that data, when making a point that its actually less likely women would die if we outlawed abortion, is false and does not account for the woman who died because of illegal abortions that went unreported. That's not dishonest. If 10 cases of rape are reported, just because only 4 are prosecuted, does not mean that 10 rapes did not occur. Unfortunately, there isn't always evidence, or people don't report for extended periods. A crime not reaching a conviction does not mean a crime did not occur. That's the issue. Actually, that depends entirely on the state. Lets say a pregnant woman is murdered. Do you know the charge that the vast majority of perpetrators would be charged with? Its not double homicide. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy. The state courts grant the unborn children rights, but this very rarely occurs at the federal level. Sure, thats true. But that means nothing. Death row is something you spend 20 years on anyway. That law is essentially meaningless, because no human is executed in 9 months. The bottom line is, your rights stop where another's begin. We base those rights on sentience, something a fetus does not have. Abortion is a right. It will stop being a right only when a fetus does not need someone else's organ to grow and survive.
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@danedds1068 And as I said. Just because a crime is not prosecuted does not mean it did not occur. You seemed to assert that if it isn't prosecuted, it did not happen.
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@danedds1068 I understand that. The problem is, that doesn't mean he/she is. Activists use cases of clear faults in the justice system (on both sides) to get their points. There are very clear cases where a person was found innocent when they were not and vice versa. And it is not dishonest to site these situations as argument points.
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Plenty of us!
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@marissajlewis133 You should have the absoulte right to take your own life. There are many people who suffer from bipolar and schizophrenia, who live relatively notmal lives. Their 2nd amendment right should not be infringed upon because of the BELIEF that they MAY cause harm. What would I do? Take away gun free zones. Make it easier for everyone to own a firearm. There's a reason that mass shootings happen in places where guns are prohibited.
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@marissajlewis133 Actually, no. Armed guards were placed at synagogues after the massacre but that isn't the point. Some people with guns are cowards. Have students and attendees carry guns. They'll protect themselves. I'm fine with extra steps. A psyche test is not one of them
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@marissajlewis133 16 year olds are more than capable of handling guns. They probably already do. My high school was one of the first to allow students to carry in my state. 2 wannabe school shooters were stopped.
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@wasimmunshi429 I love how you just make the assumption that I'm a leftist, but I will have an open debate with you. Pro-abortion, whether you mean it to or not, carries the connotation that a) pro-choice people WANT women to have an abortion; b) Pro-choice people believe that abortions should be a first option and c) Pro-choice demand an abortion for women. None of these are true. Pro-choice means I want the woman to make an informed, rational decision on what is best for her and for the fetus. And what's best is very rarely what's easy. Abortion is an option for a reason, and forcing an unfit mother to give birth to a child she cannot care for is neither informed nor rational.
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@wasimmunshi429 It is an assumption, because you do not know me, nor understand what I represent, which you made quite clear in your first comment. I am not a leftist by any means, but if you would like to consider me as such, go ahead. A) First and foremost, a fetus (or foetus) is not a child nor a baby. This is both scientifically and medically. Even a to term fetus does not become a baby until after it is out of utero. It is, in all honesty, none of your business what their reasoning behind an abortion is. B) I never once say suicide shouldn't be an option. I support the right to die of a sentient being just as much as I support a right to life of a sentient being. Actually, I don't care how the pregnancy happened. Your scenario draws no comparison. For one, abortion is not illegal. No law is broken by having an abortion (unless you have an abortion past your states gestation limit). You harm no sentient being when having an abortion. Having an abortion, just like suicide, is NOT "an easy way out". Both can and do have long-term physical and psychological damages. Despite what you may believe, realizing you are not qualified to take care of a child and choosing to abort when it lacks sentience IS responsible. C) Planned Parenthood isnt JUST abortions. You people like to parade around having "safe sex" and "healthy sexual education". Planned Parenthood is part of that. I completely agree in having safe sex and not being reckless. But to defy you human nature when it presents itself is unhealthy and damaging. No. It is the child's health and wellbeing (pregnancy through life) that concerns me. How about this. People who are pro-life should have to raise, provide, and pay for those children that they refuse to allow to be aborted. It's so funny how you claim we don't care about post delivery, yet I doubt you would ever consider adoption or fostering a child that was likely thrown into that life by your rhetoric. When I hear 8-13 year olds scream every night "No one loves me" "I wish I was never born" and "I wish I had been aborted" it upsets me. Don't imply I only care about pregnancy. You're very wrong.
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Lions nutritionally need meat. Humans do not.
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@Mawgielas Humans are animals but thats not the point. I mean personally, I don't care what you eat
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@Mawgielas Well, thats your diet.
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@Mawgielas Pretty good so far.
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@dickcheese4325 Humans do not need meat.
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@dickcheese4325 Where is your evidence that we do? There is nothing meat offers that cannot be gotten other ways, even in lower quantities or harder to obtain.
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@dickcheese4325 You never gave any evidence. Humans are not obligate omnivores. We do not need meat.
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@foop2954 Need meat? Yes. There are certain conditions people have where they need meat. I was speaking in general. A healthy and normal individual does not need meat.
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You do, however, own your organ. And no one gets to use it for their own purpose without your explicit consent.
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@travisjohnson7065 It doesn't matter what its job is. It belongs to YOU. No one else uses it without YOUR consent. The fetus has no "will". Thats ridiculous.
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@travisjohnson7065 The uterus does not belong to the fetus. It belongs to the woman. It is using the uterus to develop. That has to happen with the mother's consent. No one has the right to live at someone else's expense. Period. A fetus has no more a right to my uterus as I do a right to your kidney. It doesn't have a will to stay alive. If that were the case, miscarriages would never occur.
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@travisjohnson7065 I don't personally think its valuable. I don't believe life has inherent value. Yeah, I had an abortion. Because I had to. Not because I wanted to. Not because I was irresponsible. A human has no rights above those of anyone else on a fundamental level. I don't get to live at the cost of your liberty. End of story. No baby after birth is living at the expense of another in terms of rights. The CHOICE is what makes all the difference. Keeping someone alive does not mean giving up your rights. If you're thesis on a "fetus's will to live" and the "body naturally wanting to nurture a fetus" were true, then miscarriages would be a rarity. But they aren't. They're a common occurrence. Sex exists for a multitude of reasons. Please come out of the dark ages.
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You did not develop RA from the flu shot. RA is genetic.
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IssyFishyy If you got the last reply, its because I never got a notification. Also, just because you get the last word doesn't mean your right. You haven't proven there is a God, you haven't proven that the Christian God is the true God. The Bible also said a worldwide 40 day flood happened, which we know isn't true. God being true because the Bible says so is called circular reasoning.
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IssyFishyy Existence is not evidence of a God existing, let alone of your specific God. Jesus meerly existing (which there is no actual evidence of, but I believe he did) doesn't mean any God exists. Jesus has no divinity unless you believe he does. You cannot give characteristics to a being that has never been proven to exist. And we already know that many stories of the Christian Bible are not true. The Bible doesn't need to be true or fact for your God to exist. Still don't understand why you don't understand that.
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Because its just that easy.
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Its not a fact. In fact, its not even correct. Scientifically, food chains are based on diets. Humans would be in the middle upper trophic level.
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Subjective opinion.
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@aestheticlover9476 No, facts require evidence. The only reason you think abortion is wrong is based on your subjective viewpoints. Morality is simply never objective. It changes with time and culture.
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@aestheticlover9476 I think forced birth is wrong. I think people should have a choice over their own body. I don't think humans are inherently valuable, nor do I think life should be what matters.
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@aestheticlover9476 You can't "prove" abortion is wrong. First of all, you don't prove anything in science. You prove things in math. Secondly, science has no position on morality. It can be used to argue a position, but nothing more. My uterus? My choice.
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@aestheticlover9476 Sorry, but you aren't special just because your human and alive. Sorry if my being honest makes you think I require therapy. I actively do seek therapy because of the horrific abuse I suffered at the hands on an unfit mother that people like you told her she couldn't abort.
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It depends on who you ask. Oysters are animals, so some say no. But they also lack sentience, so some say yes.
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@rhiannon9114 Science pointing to life beginning at conception doesn't mean anything. Life isn't the argument. If that were the case, anyone who wasn't anti-death penalty, anti-gun, anti-euthansia, or non-vegan would be a hypocrite. You care about sentience. Things that have emotion and can feel and experience.
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Its not just faith. Depending on what religion and which denomination depends on how you're saved. I refuse to be an asshole and shun people just to get into paradise. What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Then what?
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@kedduff1814 Yeah, God is love. A person who punishes you for eternity for not obeying him and condones murder and slavery. You call that love? I call that psychopathic. I have read the new testament, and it's not any more truthful or loving than the old testament. Also, no. The Quran, Talmuid and Tora all discuss wanting a loving relationship with this so called God. If God is loving, I'll be saved no matter what. So what should I be worried about? No. I left Christanity for a damn good reason, and have no intention on ever going back. What's next? I don't know. Nothing is next in my opinion. So how would that make you feel? If you knew there was nothing after death.
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Words Maybe because if you did, you would have even the basic amount of knowledge of what evolution is. Even most Christians don't deny evolution, just on a much smaller scale. I would love to see the look on your face if it was proven that there either was no God or you were worshipping the wrong one. Keep believing your book that promotes rape, genocide, infanticide and slavery.
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Words I don't deny there may be a God. Have you read the old testament? You know that part of the book where God commanded you kill non believers. How about the part where a woman is stoned in the street if she is raped for not calling out loud enough? What proof do you have that there is a God? Catholics are Christians. They're the largest sect of Christanity. And they aren't the only ones who believe in evolution. I was a Christian the majority of my life and turned away because of a lack of evidence and the hypocrisy. I'll convert when you can show me evidence of this supposed all loving being.
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You also do not have the right to end another person's life because they took it away from someone else. Or at least you shouldn't.
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Then it's a good thing abortion isn't murder
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@SomeGuyNotKnown Because it doesn't fit the established definition what murder is.
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@SomeGuyNotKnown You know...Google is a thing. mur·der /ˈmərdər/ noun 1. the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
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@SomeGuyNotKnown Both definitions of murder require the word "unlawful". What you do is associate killing, or termination of life, with murder. These are not the same things. Would you argue that taking a brain dead person off of life support, or ceasing treatment for an ill patient, is murder? Both of those are termination of life. Words have established definitions. I gave you the definition, not the "legal" definition. For the record, I am not trying to change your mind about abortion. Merely giving you perspective.
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@SomeGuyNotKnown The law isnt always right, but there is a difference between a sentient person of a different race and a non-sentient fetus. That should be what we focus on. Sentience. Not life. Because truth be told, unless you are against hunting, the death penalty, euthanasia and are vegan, you don't care about life.
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@SomeGuyNotKnown I know they aren't. Neither are fetuses at the time of most abortions. If you do not value all life the same, then pardon me for saying this, but I find that quite hypocritical. But that's just my opinion.
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@niceguy5501 Intention has nothing to do with whether something is murder. It has to do with whether or not the action was unlawful. I highly doubt you know how most abortions are performed. People who know little on the subject seem to think the fetus has all their limbs broken and their brain sucked out with a vacuum. Sure, you can still get a surgical abortion, but they are not the majority. An obstetrician will actively try and talk you out of a surgical abortion.
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Thats a strawman argument. Calling it a cluster of cells is just a fact. By the way, while it has the right to life. What you try to do is elevate that right above the rights of the mother.
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Actually, in circumstances (abortion, comatose, and capital punishment) yes, other people can and do decide whether people live or not. And actually, legally yes I do have that right. I do not consent for a fetus to parasitize me. I decide what happens with MY body Also, abortion is not murder.
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You can't be both. They literally contradict each other.
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@hettinga359 Which is also wrong, considering you can be pro-choice and anti abortion.
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Hey guess what? Mutations exist.
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Would that include statutory rape?
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Because the human body wants sex and it isn't designed just for procreation (unless you are religious). Not that hard to understand.
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No he wasn't. She is an atheist since she doesn't believe in a God. Since everyone should be agnostic, it's redundant she's agnostic.
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Pehaps eating less meat will improve those grammar skills.
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@AngelBagel03 And they should all be explored. But none of them are free, and they are all still emotionally demanding. I believe abortion should be the last resort
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No, you're still pro-choice. Pro-life is against abortion and euthanasia in ALL circumstances.
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Gavin Burnes In your opinion.
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And I'm sure that if your beloved puppy and a stranger you'd never met were both drowning, you'd save the stranger? No. You'd save the animal you formed a bond with. Psychology isn't so black and white.
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Thats a terrible example to be honest. Sure, he was a drug lord, but he brought wealth to many good people and killed only other killers.
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@thefantorangster2491 No, I'd suggest you do some more research on him. He donated a lot of his drug money to local charities and made a lot of innocent lives better. This is why the police had a hard time getting rid of him, because a lot of people actually liked him and wouldn't say anything. Even though I don't believe in the death penalty, a better example of someone who deserved it would be someone like Ted Bundy or Jeffery Dahmer.
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Only if the person selling to you is a dealer. Its quite easy to get a gun privately.
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@grecumihai2230 Why do you look at GUN CRIME rate instead of VIOLENT CRIME rate?
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Nothing wrong with thinking its okay to eat meat, but other animals do it because they have a nutritional need to, wheras humans do not. You can get protein and iron in non-animal products.
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Bad red herring nomenclature, but does "exist".
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1: You can punish the criminal without resorting to costly methods of capital punishment that could go to much better uses. 2: The family does not get to choose whether or not the convict receives the death penalty. That is up to the jury and the prosecution. The family can only influence the decision of the prosecution. 3: Self-appointed vigilanteism is still murder, and regardless of what he was doing, it was not her place to take vengeance on him.
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Because then they would be wrong. You most certainly can legally buy guns at a gun show without a background check. Its called a private sale. "Gun show loophole" is more of poor nomenclature than it is false.
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Extremists is more accurate.
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You can't ascribe characteristics to a being never proven to exist. Right and wrong? Those are subjective concepts. "It should be recognized that killing another is wrong" Unless God does it right? Or unless God commands it right? Then it suddenly becomes okay?
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You can be in a polyamorous relationship and not have sex. Thats not lust.
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@truthfulpurpose No, actually. Sorry, but human psychology disagrees with you. I absolutely love both of my partners. My brain happens to work differently than yours. Go figure.
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@truthfulpurpose I am satisfied with my husband, but I fell in love with another man. I live both of them equally and nothing in either my marriage or relationship is lacking. I have multiple because I fell in love. Maybe stop being so ignorant on a subject you clearly know nothing about.
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@truthfulpurpose Take any masters psychology course. One of the first things they will teach you is the chemical composition of the brain and how it reacts when it responds to emotion.
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@truthfulpurpose One, polgamy is not polyamory. Two, do your own research. Any links I provide you, you will write off. By the way, never did I say that polyamory was embedded in human psychology. The ability to fall in love with more than one person is embedded in human psychology. Every brain fuctions differently. And I am only married to one man. I am only intimate with one man.
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@SarahSarah-hp7sm Friendship is fine. But its different than being in love.
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The law says otherwise.
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@faithblessing7551 That's your subjective opinion. I think its morally wrong to subject a child to an unfit mother.
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@faithblessing7551 Well, its a good thing abortion isn't murder. So no, I don't support murder. Protection doesn't help after the fact. Forcing an unfit mother to attempt to care for a child is setting that child up for misery, which is vile in my opinion. Adoption should certainly be considered, but is not always an option. Until that fetus is sentient, it IS her body. The developing fetus is parasitic on the host mother for growth. Human life is not inherently valuable. Get over yourself.
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@parthenon5106 Nope, because it doesn't fit the established definition of murder.
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@faithblessing7551 No, its simply honest. I'm sorry you can't be bothered to google the definition of murder.
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@parthenon5106 Technically you can. You'd just be punished for it. Because one is a sentient being that has legal rights and the other is not.
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I highly doubt you would save some stranger you knew nothing about over your animal you raised and grew an attachment to. That is psychology.
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You mean the school shootings that happen in the gun free zones where carrying a gun is not permitted under any circumstance?
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@softdoll Guns cannot be eradicated. They already exist. Those who truly want to hurt people will simply get a gun illegally. Criminals do not care about laws. The majority of lives taken by guns in US are suicides. AR-15s are not automatic weapons and are not used in mass shootings a majority of the time. Most mass shootings are done with simple handguns. AR-15s are mostly used for hunting.
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Snow Flake Keep pretending abortion is murder and living in your fantasy world where everything is just perfect.
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You do realize that 66% of mass shootings are committed with handguns right? Nine of the mass shootings with the 20 highest death tolls involved handguns or long guns. You would not end mass shootings by banning assault weapons.
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Why? Because I don't eat what you do? Or do you just mean extremist vegans?
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@rodrigobento4570 Eh, I'm just bored and like to pick people's brains about their opinions is all.
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@masterchief4189 What gave that away?
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@masterchief4189 I was being sarcastic.
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Grace Harder Probably because you have so many different denominations and it depends on who you ask.
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Grace Harder The Bible contradicts itself. Christians have over 40,000 denominations, and depending on who you ask, they'll give you a different answer.
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Grace Harder Uh yeah it does. And a Christian is simply someone who believes in the Christian God and the story of Jesus. There's thousands of denominations.
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Grace Harder Yes they are all different, but they are all Christian. Yes, I have read the bible. More than once.
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Gun owners didn't prevent it because it occured in a gun free zone. I highly doubt you understand the second amendment.
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Being poly isn't cheating.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s Cheating in a relationship only occurs if you are going behind your partners back. In a polyamorous relationship, all parties involved are aware and consent to the open relationship. That is not cheating.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s If you are going behind your partners back and being with other people, then yes it is cheating. You wanna know who the majority of that is? People who claim monogamy.
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There is no "right to abotion". But there is the right to liberty, which means the right to bodily autonomy. It is not ethical to use a person's body without their consent, regardless of life involved. Abortion is not, and will never be convenient as is any medical procedure. The "right to life" is not absolute, nor is it above the right to liberty. This was the whole basis behind Roe vs Wade. I do not get to live at the expense of another, even if I will die without them. Adoption doesn't help the issues that comes with pregnancy. Adoption is for those that do not want to be a parent. Abortion is for those that do not want to be pregnant.
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Killing is not a crime. Murder is a crime. Theres a difference.
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Neither is killing their killer
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No. No he wasn't.
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@18wheeler57 Uhh no. An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in God. It has nothing to do with faith or belief that a God does not or cannot exist. Dawkins analogy refers to the lack of evidence for a deity, just like a lack of evidence for a "space teapot". If I lack a belief in a God, I am an atheist.
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Thats still thousands of people, and you represent a notion to cripple people for life based on your opinion. We have a word for people like you. "Sociopath".
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That's not true, though I wouldn't call it a loophole. In most states, there is no background check on private sales, and non FFL licensed citizens often sell and trade at gun shows. None of the firearms I own have ever had a background check.
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@mattahmann "I'm an expert" So you claim. But you clearly aren't. There are many children in foster care and adoption centers to adopt. Why must it be newborns? That sounds selfish. I understand that it takes a while to adopt, as it is a legal process. "Adoption isn't worse than death". In your subjective opinion. I was a failed abortion who was horribly abused and mistreated by the system. I now hear every day children scream they wish they had been aborted.
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Yep. My husband isn't vegan and I am. Most of us aren't pushy.
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@janieswanson2549 You're still showing how unintelligent you are by using insults that actually make no sense, as I've never been chubby or overweight? Go drop another grand on your bleaching there, bimbo. Also, legit? Take an English class. Because you don't understand prescriptive and descriptive terms, nor do you actually understand how definitions work.
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@janieswanson2549 I'm really not jealous. I'm happy with how I look, what I'm accomplishing, and my family life. But its honestly, like seriously, really sad to see someone who is so pretty to have such an ugly attitude, especially when their insults don't make sense. You actually don't. But I have told you more than once that if that is the definition you want to use, then I will happily say I'm not a vegan. Because by the prescriptive, broad and strict definition, I wouldn't be. But that isn't how words work. A vegan is a person who follows veganism. Then I gave you the definition of veganism. And that's not enough. So take it up with a linguist. And no honey. I've never been overweight. Even at my heaviest in those videos, I was right where I was supposed to be weight wise. Believe it or not, you actually can't tell someone's weight just from looking at their face and shoulders. The vegan society's own website states a vegan is a person who abstains, exculuding necessity, all animal products and their derivatives, including food, cosmetics and clothing.
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Because they don't always protect against pregnancy or diseases, and they're uncomfortable on both ends from what I hear.
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Gabriel Castillo It's only considered a double homicide if the mother if 5 months along or more. Most women choose an abortion because they ultimately realize they are not fit to handle a child at that point. Don't call yourself pro life when you don't give a shit about any life except humans, and you don't give a shit about the quality of life the fetus will have.
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Gabriel Castillo Guess what? There are some people who can't use birth control. Repressing your natural instincts is unhealthy. And yeah actually. Woman can opt out of having a kid. That's why abortion is around. In all seriousness, no one, even those who are pro choice, want to see a woman have an abortion. But if we want to end abortions, we have to treat the causes, not the symptoms. It's like taking cancer treatment without removing the tumor. It's not going to help in the long run.
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Gabriel Castillo So how do you push birth control in those who cannot take it? If you made birth control illegal, you wouldn't save any lives. In fact, you'd end more lives.
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Gabriel Castillo Women like myself cannot take birth control and some stores do not carry latex free condoms. If you outlawed abortion, you wouldn't save any lives. You would kill more
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Gabriel Castillo They aren't rare at all. It's a pain in the ass to order them, and people are fickle. So they choose not to. Yes I agree with using protection, but people don't. That will never change.
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Gabriel Castillo If you outlawed abortion, you would skyrocket deaths of fetuses and mother's and you would skyrocket child abuse
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Gabriel Castillo Because you would force women to go into back alleys to have abortions done, not only killing the fetus you so desperately want to save, but killing the mother as well. Because it's simple cause an effect. When you force a mother to give birth to a child she cannot take care of, you statistically raise the chance of her becoming resentful and violent towards that child. I am basing my arguments on statistics. 36% of women convicted of child abuse, neglect or homicide wanted an abortion in the first place. Because they knew if they couldn't take of themselves, they couldn't take care of a child. You would only raise these rates by outlawing abortion before treating the root causes of why abortions happen.
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Thats a statement that has yet to be verified.
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But thats not realistic.
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@tuub1281 And those are mostly suicides and accidental discharges. By the way, the Netherlands is open carry.
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@tuub1281 No, you'd see more gun related deaths if you outlawed guns. I would do some more research. Countries that have few restrictions on guns have little gun crime.
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@tuub1281 Do your own research.
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@connermcgarrah2171 Actually, there is consent to pregnancy. Because it requires the use of anothers organ to happen.
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@torvusignis9283 No, it isn't. Those are two seperate occurances. You can consent to sex and not consent to the implantation of an embryo. Consent must be given for both. Period.
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Not for private sales.
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No. Vegetarians abstain only from meat. Vegans abstain from all animal products including honey, dairy and eggs.
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So I'm evil for NOT believing in a God that condones slavery, genocide and rape?
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Yes. Because lets pretend for a minute that an mass shooting has ever been committed with an AR 15. Oh wait. Nope its hand guns and occasionally rifles. Most states don't have gun licenses. They have conceal carry licenses, and then dealer licenses. Oh really? Took me 10 seconds to google that nearly all men are trained how to use a firearm. Nearly everyone owns a gun. They just give concealed carry licenses out extremely sparingly. That's not ver different from the US at all. Its almost like culture and population play a huge role.
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@okays434 And?
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They are also a slim minority of the population. Also "psychopath" is no longer a legitimate term used. They are on the ASPD spectrum.
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@Z33Garage The reason execution is so expensive has nothing to do with "mishandling". It has to do with a person's right to life and a fair trial. How do you justify innocent people being put to death?
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@Z33Garage So you seem to have the assumption that everyone convicted is indeed guilty. I brought up costs because you made the argument that they live off taxpayers money, which is true. But death row inmates live off more.
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You mean morally? Because you know...women's rights are a thing. Like to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And to bodily autonomy. Unless of course, you believe that certain rights trump others.
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@ratofvengence Since there is no concise defintion of what a 1st world country is, that isn't true either. Russia is considered by many to be a 1st world country and has nearly twice the homicide rate of the US
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@geosock Perhaps in your view. The problem is there is no precise definition of a "1st world country". The worlds facts list states Russia as a 1st world country because of its life expectancy rate, literacy rate, technology and standard of living. Others say its not because its not a capitalist democracy.
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That is called cheating. You cannot be in a consensual polyamorous relationship unless everyone is okay being part of it.
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alvaro alas Sometimes having an abortion is taking responsibilty. It's realizing you don't have the mental or physical capability to care for a child.
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So is forcing a child to be born in terrible circumstances. I argue that abortion is the lessee of two evils
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Ethical vegans have a problem with killing other sentient creatures. Things that have emotions and feel pain. Plants do neither of these.
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@Lila17_ One, that doesn't make something murder and two, take a biology class. A heart is useless without a brain. Also, the heart does not develop first. The "fetal heartbeat" you're hearing is what will eventually become the pacemaker for the heart. And its entirely controlled by the mother.
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No, having a balanced diet is what helped us develop our brains. And meat, as a source of protein when none was available, certainly contributed to that. However, that is no longer the case.
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In general, being vegan is healthier.
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topherh33 Look up the evidence yourself. Even if I was wrong, it still wouldn't be murder because murder by definition is UNLAWFUL, which abortion is not. Personally, I think 3 months is pushing it. A majority of abortions take place when the fetus is between 6 and 8 weeks. It has no developed nervous system and has only begun to develop the basis of what will become the brainstem. Sentience is the ability to feel and experience subjectively. No brain or brainstem? No sentience. Too many children are abused, killed and neglected because their parent or parents are unfit to care for them
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topherh33 I'm all for fixing the adoption system. I would love to live in a world where abortion didn't exist. But if you'd be willing to allow children to go through the same abuse and neglect you had to go through, then I don't think you care at all about humanity. There's a reason abortion exists, even though we wish it didn't.
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Brandon Hays It is killing. So is capital punishment. So is stepping on a bug. So is euthanizing an animal. So is eating a cheeseburger. Since when are we on such a pedastal? The debate on abortion should be about sentience and the quality of life.
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Unintelligent Individual Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. Up until sentience, a fetus is incapable of feeling and is a parasite on its mother.
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Unintelligent Individual Because that's when the fetus is capable of living on its own biologically and develops the ability to feel pain.
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Unintelligent Individual Because sentience is what most people believe is "life" You only have ethics, feelings and morality is you have sentience. There's a difference between being alive and living.
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We still have a firing squad. Still more expensive than life in prison.
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There are 44,000 children currently waiting to be adopted.
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@rue353 I literally said "I know." I'm sure there are vegans that take supplements. I've seen it. If they need to take Vitamin D or Vitamin B12, they're not doing the diet right.
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@rue353 That isn't what it says. "Literally no vegan, including myself, I know take supplements."
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So fuck the Constitution? Fuck someone who was raped, has pregnancy complications, or is mentally ill?
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@4nanymous4812 So because I enjoy anime, my opinion is invalid? That is perhaps to most ridiculous argument.
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@4nanymous4812 That's the pot calling the kettle black. Forgive me for putting "to" instead of "the". The Constitution has everything to do with this, as it protects the right to an abortion. It doesn't matter whether or not most abortions are because of people having unprotected sex. If you outlaw abortions, on the grounds that the human fetus deserves protection, then you would have to outlaw abortion for any reason. Rape victims who choose to keep the child CAN love them, but they often associate that child with trauma, and don't love them like they should. And no, the majority of people who develop medical complications (like myself) often do get abortions, as its often life-threatening.
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Because plan B isn't an option available to everyone. You can no longer even get plan B where I live without a prescription. Also, because most people don't discover they are pregnant until after the time plan B can be used. A potential pregnancy is not usually the first thing on the mind of a rape victim...
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That doesn't make us the top of the food chain. We're not. There are apex predators that would naturally eat humans were they available. Thats just scientifically however.
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In reality, that number is minuscule. Most people opt to abort as a final option.
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@southforest2996 Do some research about the amount of children in the system waited to be adopted. Also, do some cost comparisons of abortion vs other methods.
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@southforest2996 You may have a different perspective if you were ever in foster care. I know what that feels like. A big reason for a woman choosing to abort is a lack of financial support. How do you expect them to not only get the neonatal care she needs, but raise a child? What is best for the child? How is neglecting and abusing a child because you cannot care for it the best thing for it? How is throwing it into a broken system that systematically abuses children the best for it? Why do you think the WORST thing in the world is death?
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@southforest2996 I am happy they found happiness. However, they are the minority. Believing in a chance is simply not reality. And I wish it was.
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Lizzie Allen Oh please. The vast majority of people who do these things are pro-choice, because a majority is pro-choice. By the way smartass, did you know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion? Probably not.
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That's such a flat out lie its laughable. No, most murders of pregnant women are not double homicide. They are charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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Depends on whether to sale is private or not. Private sales happen at gunshows.
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Funny. Because neither does a fetus at the times of most abortions.
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@Unimaginable Never said it wasn't human. Sentience has not developed at 10 weeks. The neural network has only started to form its myelin covering. 96% of abortions take place before the end of the first trimester.
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@Unimaginable No. Human life is just human life. If your asking about where personhood lies, then yes. It lies in sentience. I don't believe life is inherently valuable.
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@Unimaginable Its only "murder" if it violates the law. So my answer would be if the fetus is sentient and it is passed the cutoff date for abortions in your specific area. Also, I'm assuming this isn't for medical purposes.
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@Unimaginable Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of one human being by another. Murder is strickly a legal term. Yes, thats still slavery. Because it fits in the definition. Its not my definition of human life. Its the definition of personhood.
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Depends on where you go and who you buy it from. Private sellers often sell at shows, and there is no mandatory background check on private sales in most states. Crowder was deliberately biased in that he went to shows that did not allow private sellers. Then there would be background checks. That is certainly not cross country.
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Plants aren't sentient.
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He was shut down because he was an obnoxious asshole. She knows exactly what she is. She didn't shut him down because he said she was agnostic. She shut him doen because he said she wasn't atheist. Those are not mutually exclusive terms.
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@MrStorage1 I don't personally believe that. I do not think you're special because your human, nor do I think you are entitled to be served by other creatures. Throw you out into the wilderness, and we'll see who seeves who
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We don't live in the Ice Age anymore. Most people, especially in the West, do not need meat.
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@eamonmac2751 You shouldn't if you don't want to. And no one should judge you for that. The thing is, you don't need to, and some find it hypocritical.
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@eamonmac2751 Science also says you don't need meat. Plants and animals being alive is not the moral issue. Plants are not sentient. Animals are. You eat meat because it tastes good, not because its nutritionally required. There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I don't think I'm superior to you just because I'm vegan. I do, however, think I have a different perspective on morals, thought their my own and not better.
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@eamonmac2751 It does. But so does vegan food. In fact, Seratin which is "vegan meat" contains more protein per ounce than beef. Food taste just depends on your pallet. I abhore the taste of most meat. But thats just me. I have no problem with whatever diet one chooses to follow. I just don't like generalizing or misinformation.
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As if we all wanted to be born.
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@SKgyebaek I didn't get a choice on whether or not I was born. So no, the argument doesn't stand.
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@SKgyebaek I'm not dim. That's precisely the point. That quote banks on the fact that if a fetus COULD choose to be aborted or not, they would never choose abortion. The problem is that isn't true. Umm no. The fetus is not biologically geared towards life. If that were the case, miscarriages would not happen. If the circumstances allow, a fetus will live, but everything organic is designed that way. Its not a baby. And its not murder. These are not opinions. These are facts.
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@SKgyebaek Actually, miscarriages are quite normal. Often, women miscarry before they even know they're pregnant. Miscarriages later in gestation are considered abnormal. The way your framing this is really dishonest. Given conditions allow any type of organic life to "live". Your original comment however implies an active choice being made. That people who actively choose to support abortion have already gotten a chance at life. This is implying that they got the chance to live, yet do not offer that chance to someone else. My point is that they never got to make an active choice on that, and therefore, that argument would fall apart if the person who wanted to abort made the point that they did not want to be born in thr first place. Its really not that hard to understand. You just seem a bit uneducated on this topic.
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Not true. Private sales don't need a background check in most states. Don't make progun look bad please.
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Except with private sales.
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Its not like the Christians were respectful either.
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Since when does society only function based on monogamous relationships? That's ridiculous.
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Abortion is responsible. And is a fetus is using my uterus against my consent, then I DO get to decide what happens to it.
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Its both. Some do it for moral reasons, others for health.
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@Penguinstudios123 As long as you consume or use no animal based products, you're vegan. My point was that many vegans, myself included, may live a vegan lifestyle, but are vegan mainly for health reasons. Trying to take a moral highground makes you look like an asshole.
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@laukikpatade8400 Extremists are quite irrational.
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In general, it is. But it can also be extremely unhealthy. Just like any diet.
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David Vega Not any different than being a religious activist or the leader of a church.
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We have plenty of research to show that a fetus is incapable of feeling pain up until a certain point, simply because it lacks the nerve receptors that control pain and a brainstem to process it. Glad to know you dont think it should be outlawed though. It should be an option, albeit a last resort.
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Then, you aren't pro-life. You make exceptions for rape. Sex is about more than children. And there are people waiting to adopt? Then why are there currently 45,000 children waiting for parents? Because less and less people want kids.
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Nope. Please stop lying.
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Polyamory is not polgamy.
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Actually, thats not exactly true. Where the research shows the bias is with the victim. You are more likely to receive a harsher sentence if the VICTIM is white than black.
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Its called a balanced diet.
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To answer your question, I choose to be in a poly relationship because I fell in love with 2 men. Its really that simple. I am committed to my partners just as you would be in your monogamous relationship.
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Thats a geographic thing.
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There's also a really educated side to being vegan, but I get the impression most people would have the same reaction if vegans beought up vaild points.
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Humans do not need meat, excluding those with dietary necessities or those who cannot afford plant based foods. Lions need meat to survive.
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@thankyouforbeingafriend9632 No. Most humans do not. Though there are people who do.
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Except you can. That's like saying you must love one child more than another. Or one parent more than the other. The brain doesn't work that way. Sure, it would be impossible to love two partners equally if you are monogamous. But not everyone is.
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@dexodon3304 That's not the point. The point is that love as identified by the brain is capable of feeling that way toward multiple people.
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What kind of so called saint would deliberately torture their patients? Oh wait... In all seriousness, reality. We live in reality. And the reality is, some people shouldn't be parents.
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Its not insane. Its honest. You develop emotional connections with animals. You're a great ape. And anyone who claims they would save a stranger over their dog that they raised since puppyhood is a liar.
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Most shootings are actually done with legally obtained firearms originally. However, someone may steal them thus possessing them illegally (such as Sandy Hook)
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missladyOhtee Most don't, because they assume you know what an agnostic and an atheist is. Usually saying agnostic is redundant, since everyone should be agnostic. The man should have also waited for her to finish speaking. He started cutting her off first, and while I agree she handled it poorly, it was him who started being an ass. No it wouldn't have. He still would have argued with her and told her she wasn't an atheist. You can't reach a middle ground with a fundamentalist.
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missladyOhtee Because he cut her off and told her she wasn't an atheist. That's irritating. I don't agree with the way she handled it, but he was an ass.
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Good thing a fetus isnt a person until its sentient.
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Vaccines do not cause autism. And no, the aborted fetal tissue is still the ones used in the 60's.
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@UltraAar Because autism is a spectrum, not a singular disorder as it used to be classified as. As more is know about a conditionx it simply stands to reason that more people would be disgnosed.
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Because it is normal. No it isn't. You can be committed to multiple people. You can be in love with multiple people. Of course you mention to your partner your poly. That's what it means to be in a poly relationship.
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@kalkidanhailu8563 Imagine not knowing that asexual poly people exist.
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@kalkidanhailu8563 Have relationships and get married just like everyone else does? Or do you not understand the difference between sexual attraction and romantic attraction?
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@ratofvengence No, the argument is "taking away innocent people's rights won't stop the guilty."
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@Demiligne If you want to hurt people, you're going to do it regardless of what weapon is put in front of you. Laws only stop some people
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Well abortion isn't murder for starters, and life isn't what is valued. You're not special just because your human.
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@God First No it doesn't. That is a claim you would have to prove with facts apart from emotion, something you can't do. I never said life wasn't valuable. I said it wasn't INHERNTLY valuable.
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@God First You're just wrong at that point. Not all life is special, and I'm sorry if you've been fed that lie. In the grand scheme of everything, you don't matter. That's why it's more important, in my opinion, to focus on the self. Because if YOU can't care for yourself, you cannot help and care for others.
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@God First That isn't what I said. Just because you're biologically born to die doesn't mean you aren't valuable, or are worthless, or undeserving of life. It's fine that's what you believe. Truthfully, I wish the world was like that.
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@Trevorki A beating heart isn't how we define even life. Many things that are living don't have a heartbeat. We judge humans based on brain activity, something a fetus does not have until a certain period.
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@god first bro I actually don't believe you. Most can say that have never been put in that situation. You are an animal, and have a need to protect oneself. I'd bet that you'd escape to save yourself. And if that happened to be true, there isn't anything wrong with that.
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@Jon I am very much romantically in love. I am just romantically in love with two people. In fact, I'm so romantically in love that I live with both of them and would marry both of them if it were legal to do so. Romantic love is a strong desire or attraction for a person, and the desire to have a deeper than friendship connection with them. No one "gives themselves entirely" to another person. That implies a relationship in which you do not do anything for yourself, which is toxic and unrealistic. It definitely is. Argue with me and science all you want. I love my partners just as much as a monogamous person loves theirs.
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Mathilde Young You ever consider that there are women out there who, I don't know, can't take birth control? So they shouldn't be allowed to have sex?
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Yes there is. There's a massive difference. That being you don't have to hold an FFL to sell a firearm at a show. That makes you a private seller, which allows you to sell without a background check in most states. That's where the "gun show loophole" originated from.
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You're not in the middle. You're pro-choice.
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The government doesn't pay for abortions. Thats illegal. The Hyde Amendment exists.
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@reubenvarghese3588 One, not true. And two, planned parenthood does more than perform abortions. And the abortions performed still have outside hospitals and doctors that the woman must pay for out of pocket.
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@reubenvarghese3588 They aren't funded by the government just because they are done through an agency. The AGENCY is funded. The ABORTION procedure is paid for out of pocket.
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Because fruits and vegetables in general are healthier than most meat and animal products. Not always. But in general.
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@worldofranting3697 You're more likely to die from a stab wound than a gunshot.
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@hettinga359 Fetus means unborn mammal.
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He is anti-vax, and he lost his medical license because of it. He falsified exemptions for children against vaccines because he claimed they caused auto-immune diseases.
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@lauranilsen8988 If he "strongly believed" that even against the consensus of both the scientific and medical community, that is still his fault. He was on probation, but has since been accused of violating it and is due to go before the medical board. If the accusations are found to be true, he will lose his medical license (which was actually supposed to be his original punishment until he talked to Board into giving him probation.)
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@laurac2031 Actually, it was never a consesus of the medical community that cigarettes were not harmful. There were communities in the medical field that did not believe cigarettes were harmful, but they were never the majority. I, in no way, codone mandatory vaccines. You should not be forced to do anything with yourself or your children that you are uncomfortable with. That being said, you should accept the responsibilities that come with that decision, like your child not being allowed in public schools or activities or financial/criminal consequences if you hurt your child or you hurt someone else.
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Well then that just makes you a hypocrite.
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The point being made is that we become psychologically attached to animals just as we do with people. If its a choice between my cat and a stranger, I'm saving my cat first. I have a connection with that animal.
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In order for you to make that statement you first have to prove that: first, they are misinformed and second, they are liberal. This is not a Republican issue. It's an issue across the political field. I am not a liberal, and yet I do not support the death penalty. Not on any moral grounds, but because it does nothing beneficial to society. It's more expensive, it's not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rates.
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I tend to find religious people much more close minded than atheists.
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I'm against the death penalty in any situation.
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Considering the Bible actively endorses abortion, I'd say you can most certainly be a Christian.
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You dont have to be innocent or naive to be against the death penalty
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Anecdotal evidence means nothing. Many other women, while saddened, are at ease with their abortions. They feel they made the correct decision.
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So you can't understand why someone would want the right to their uterus and to die on their terms?
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Anyone who has the title of physican has to hold an MD, which is a doctorate of medicine. Doctor means you hold any type of doctorate degree.
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@rachelesswein9271 No its not. I work in this field for a living. 20 weeks along is when the law considers it seperate. For the record, I do not agree with that. The state can charge a person with a double homicide regardless of weeka in utero. But you won't get a long sentence on a state conviction Federally, a person will not be charged with a double homicide if the fetus is less than 20 weeks (which is 5 months). Once again, I'm pro-choice and do not agree with this.
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@rachelesswein9271 Yes, but there is a difference between a state law and a federal law. You won't get a murder conviction at the state level, because its a felony. It's a federal crime.
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@eloise6477 The state law does not trump the federal law.
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@eloise6477 The states are never supposed to trump the federal law when it comes to inherent and constitutional rights. When it deals with personal authority, it should be left up to the states.
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Most vegans actually don't do that.
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Anti-vaxxers do not provide a point. These people are actively hurting other people, and you want us to be compassionate towards them? Hell no. Thats ridiculous.
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Nope.
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And yet these countries still have higher crime and homicide rates, to the point that people are fleeing for the US. We don't have a gun problem. We have a media problem. Believe what you will, because you'll hold that opinion until your life is threatened.
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@ratofvengence Except it doesn't. But the countries I gave you last time don't qualify to you as "first-world" even though they fit the definition, so there's no point in arguing.
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@ratofvengence Except they did. They were even listed as first world countries on sources. The US isn't bad, but you're free to believe what you want.
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@istoleyoursugar2015 So what? That doesn't make someone pro-abortiom. You can also be pro-choice and anti-abortion.
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@escandon785 Life being ended doesn't make something murder. No, its not.
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@escandon785 You have rights because you pay taxes to a governmental body, not because your human. You're special because of the value you give yourself, as well as the people's lives you positively effect. Not because you're human. Yes, humans make humans. But in a biological sense, fetuses are any unborn mammals. That's all I was saying. Fetus doesn't necessarily equate to human. We just usually associate rhe term fetus with human.
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@escandon785 That wasn't what I meant. I am well aware that human pregnancy results in a human fetus. Also no. You have rights because a governmental body you pay taxes to establishes those rights for you. Go out into the wild, or to a country that has a different environment. See if you still have the same "rights". You won't. Because rights are not inherent. Nature doesn't give two shits about you. Also, your 9 year old little brother has those rights because they are granted to him by a government. No governmental body? No rights. You are an animal, so you aren't different. Your difference is a prefrontal cortex. You have more "rights" then them because you live in a human dominated society.
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@toxicsheep9203 Yes. Yes you are.
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@toxicsheep9203 Yes, I am well aware.
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@toxicsheep9203 YOU didn't, nor did I ever say you did.
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And humans are mammals. Which are a catagory of animals. Sorry, but we are animals.
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@TheKillerZmile Thats your belief. Thats not a fact.
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Anyone can be insecure or jealous.
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Its physically impossible to feel pain without a nervous system or a brain based on the definition of pain.
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I don't hate pro-life. I just disagree with their viewpoint.
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@mathildeyoung1823 That is only your subjective opinion.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Again, subjective opinion. There are many who don't think anything should have been shot. We have laws protecting animals just as we do for humans.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Actually, most people with common sense don't think the gorilla should have been shot at all, as it was not hurting the child nor was it posing an active risk. They shot it out of fear and to protect themselves from legal action. No we don't. We have a right to bodily autonomy and it is not right to strip that right away becauae you care more about life in general than quality of life.
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You do not have the ultimate say in what happens with someone else's body, even if you helped put it there.
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Yes you can. Depends on who and where you purchase from. No law prevents private sellers at shows, and they don't need to perform a background check in most states.
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@myfarminmybackyardgunners636 You literally just argued with me that private sales are illegal. So why are you playing two face?
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@myfarminmybackyardgunners636 Yes they are, because you don't need a background check on private sales in most states. Arguing that you legally MUST have a background check at a show is FALSE.
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@myfarminmybackyardgunners636 I have been to a gun show. In fact, I've been to multiple. Both with dealers and private sellers. I have always purchased from a private seller, because it was a cheaper option.
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Juvenile arthritis is not the same thing as RA. RA is an auto-immune disorder. JA is genetic. Also, no where does it say "epilepsy" can be an adverse reaction to vaccines. Seziures can be an adverse reaction to vaccines, but seizures are not necessarily epilepsy. Epilepsy is typically either something you have from birth or obtained through trauma. Seziures caused by an adverse reaction to vaccines almost never continue after the initial injection, nor does it always stem from misfiring signals of the brain.
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Except it isn't murder. And yes you do until a certain point. A sentient woman's rights to autonomy trump a non-sentient fetus' development.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 The Bible isn't truth. Much of it has been disproven. Its fiction. God commands for the death of people. He calls them to sell slaves and rape victims. That is not moral. When your God ACTIVELY CALLS for these things to occur, that is NOT okay. And the fact that you defend that is disgusting.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 Why would he outright command things that society would consider immoral?
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 No, I don't believe there is something. I just also don't claim to know. That makes me an agnostic atheist. Agnostic is a term I find redundant, since anyone who is honest should be agnostic. If the God of the Bible does exist (which I do not believe he does) then he is a manipulative, tyranical psychopath. Debating a hypothetical doesn't mean I believe in said hypothetical. So commanding the deaths of people is the best? Right...
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 If you read the Bible literally, yes. Indeed he does. I take no advice from people who have so much cognitive dissonance its astounding. I was Christian for the majority of my life. I have no desire to go back.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 I don't believe in God. And any God that would command genocide, allow rape, and promote slavery is evil and undeserving of love or attention. God is not perfect, even if he exists.
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@josephninod.calixtro9080 Your experience could easily be explained by natural phenomenon.
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Whats inherently wrong with those things
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@llrxnzloll6831 Because one had to do with rights where the other has to do with accountability. You or a woman pays child support because you are not helping raise the child. A woman chooses abortion because pregnancy affects her physical body.
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@llrxnzloll6831 Well one, it isn't murder. And two, no one's in the wrong. It was her body, she had the final decision. If the man is unhappy with that, then he now has the option to leave.
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@llrxnzloll6831 Its human from conception, because its a human conceiving. Murder must be unlawful by definition.
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@llrxnzloll6831 No, its human from the moment of conception.
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@Kevin Koeppen Christianity, at least Biblically, is very much pro-choice.
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@Kevin Koeppen No its not. Murder is a legal term.
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@Kevin Koeppen Sure, that's accurate.
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@Kevin Koeppen Sin only exists in the context of a God, but let's play devil's advocate. The God of the Bible only says killing is a sin in certain contexts. Abortion is not one of them, if you actually read the text.
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@Kevin Koeppen Well, sin doesn't exist to me. And whether or not killing a human being is a sin depends on context, if we're speaking from the Bible.
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@Kevin Koeppen Yeah no. I don't believe that. No fetus has control of my uterus. It's my decision.
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@dr.k.t.varughese3151 That depends entirely on how you interpret the Bible.
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@dr.k.t.varughese3151 I'm not interested in your interpretation because I don't believe any of it. I don't believe in God.
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@dr.k.t.varughese3151 You cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to prove that a God is there.
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IssyFishyy I make no claim as an atheist. Only those who say "There is no God" would have burden of proof. I don't claim that.
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IssyFishyy No I haven't. And I've always made that clear to you. In fact, in practically all of our debates, I stated "this being the case doesn't mean your God doesn't exist." I fully embrace that a God might exist. I just simply do not believe one does. That is not a claim.
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@debora8691 A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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Prove it
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Not always. Private sellers set up at shows too
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@MegaBullfrog09 Yes, I'm aware of that
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@MegaBullfrog09 Well I mean...you can...
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@MegaBullfrog09 That depends on the state
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@MegaBullfrog09 I know background checks are a federal thing. What I meant was whether or not you'll need a background check at a show depends on the state. In my state, nearly ALL shows are MOSTLY private sellers. Thats what I meant
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@MegaBullfrog09 Indiana.
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Lizzie Allen Because a non-sentient fetus does not have more rights than I do and consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Serious answer: Because hating or killing them does nothing to bring my mother back, nor does it take away my pain.
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Do you ever think maybe she said that because there are people who grew up in very poor conditions who outright state they wish they had been aborted? Those people exist.
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c c Umm no. She is an agnostic atheist. She does not know whether or not there is a God (agnostic) but does not believe in one (atheist)
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c c yes you for sure can. An agnostic is a knowledge claim, saying I don't know. An agnostic atheist says "I don't know for certain if a god is real, but I do not believe in one based on the evidence presented."
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C C I urge you to pick up a dictionary as well, because you clearly don't know what "agnostic" means. It's a claim of knowledge that can apply to anything, not just religion. If you don't know something for sure, you are agnostic about that that subject. Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable. That is a claim of knowledge, not a belief. Atheism is a LACK OF BELIEF in a God or Gods. They are not mutually exclusive terms. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
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@SydLane The whole argument is based on feelings, because its a moral debate. You can use facts on either side to make your point, but facts cannot dictate morality. And I don't see how fighting for rights is entitlement.
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@SydLane Just because both of us are atheists doesn't mean we find no meaning in life. Life has meaning to me. It just doesn't have inherent meaning. And even with a God, morality would still be subjective. You could argue God's opinion is the highest, but it would still be an opinion. Objectivity doesn't have to exist for right and wrong to exist. We can live by secular humanism.
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@katbuggie yeah I know. I'm personally more of a brain person.
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For the simple fact that you do not have a nutritional need for animal meat in the west, whereas other animals do.
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Its just not though.
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@lockedinSavo Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. So, no its not. Could you stop lying? Especially when its so easily debunked?
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You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet if you do it right.
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Aurea Gallardo Fuck you. It's not just about you. I'm a failed abortion as well. You are not entitled to anything, including life. And if you had even the slightest amount of respect for your mother, you would be grateful for the life you have but sympathize with her. Abortion is not a selfish action. Be grateful that when you were born, you weren't neglected and abused. You wouldn't have given a shit if you were aborted, because you would have lacked a brain to care. Get over yourself, you little brat.
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Abortion is taking responsibility. Most humans want sex. Its a natural extinct. And who says people don't use protection? Protection fails. No, abortion is not murder. So what if its selfish? Every human is selfish.
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@itsyoursalvationyolo That isn't instinct, because it isn't something the brain does. And if it was naturally instinctive to produce life, then every sexual encounter would result in pregnancy. Fertilization happens independently from the mother. It is just a result of an action. Rape isn't comparable. Rape is violating another sentient human. You people love your strawman huh? I have no guilty conscious concerning abortion, nor am I in denial. I don't think killing a living thing is inherently wrong. I own a gun, I'm not a vegan, I support our military. Life isn't inherently valuable, and I don't think I'm special because I lucked out on the fusion of chomosome 2 during evoultion. Just because YOU think its wrong doesn't make YOU right. Your opinion is subjective.
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No one is pro abortion. If you're referring to pro choice, these things have nothing to do with one another.
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...you are an absolute moron. I suffer TBI epilepsy, and before medication I had anywhere between 2 to 10 seizures a day. A seziure does not cut of your artieries. What it can do in rare cases is cause hemorrhaging of the brain or a heart attack.
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So what about the polyamorous people who aren't interested in sex? Do they just not exist?
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If not everyone can have the choice, no one can have the choice. It is not up to you what someone else does with their body. You're what if questions don't matter, because they can easily be refuted.
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As a victim, you should never have a right to revenge.
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@cannednolan8194 I disagree. Victims should not have privilages others do not. Yes, it is up to the victims to forgive or not. But no one should have the right to take someone else's rights, legally or otherwise.
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@ajj148 If you think prisons aren't bad, you've never been to one. Sure, sometimes the courts mess up, but that goes both ways. By the way, those two boys you're talking about were juveniles. The brain does not operate the same way as a child that it does an adult.
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@dluvv19761 But why? Why wouldn't you be against every vaccine? That makes no sense.
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Lizzie Allen Do you have any idea where they get that the US is the only country with legal guns?
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@randomuser1093 No actually. In a vast majority of countries, guns are legal. States and contries with the laxest gun laws have the least amount of violent crimes.
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@randomuser1093 That is absoutely not true. I said countries that have LEGAL GUNS. Not countries that have the RIGHT TO BARE ARMS
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@randomuser1093 Thats what I mean as well. There are many countries that allow citizens to own guns legally. Its just not a fundamental right.
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Then you're either buying your gun from a dealer or you live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales.
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Yep. Even if you could prove to me a God exists, I would reject him.
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@starburst9053 Because the God of the Bible is a monster.
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No, not at all.
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@berkozkan3922 You do realize you can use them right and still get pregnant?
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@berkozkan3922 Because they aren't 100% effective.
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@berkozkan3922 They aren't even 99% lmao. They're between 94-97%
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I can easily refute the claim that I'm killing a baby. Because its not. Its not a baby. Period. And whether or not its worse is your personal opinion. I think forced birth is worse than killing a non-sentient fetus.
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@DjPyro2010 I'm just correct to me. You are free to disagree with me.
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@tonyisnotdead Fetus
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@tonyisnotdead Yes.
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It depends. Typically no, because you are attracted to a person of the opposite gender.
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Seitan, the meat substitute, tofu and soy milk are all amazing sources of vegan/vegetarian protein.
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@anomaloustick4471 Nope. Its for any reason. Because the right to bodily autonomy falls under liberty. Even if we grant personhood to the fetus, you would be giving it extra rights if you outlawed abortion.
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@anomaloustick4471 And abortion isn't murder. I already responded to that post.
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@anomaloustick4471 Because a) the fetus is not recognized under law as human and b) abortion as a practice is not unlawful.
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@anomaloustick4471 And no. That doesn't matter as ALL states have mandates on abortion. The Supreme Court decided on a federal level that abortions are protected. The is a power left to the states.
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@Nomarado Factions OST Except it is, because abortion falls under one's right to liberty. Even if I granted full personhood to a fetus (which the law does not) you do NOT get life at the expense of someone else's liberty.
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@Nomarado Factions OST Liberty refers to using in any capacity another person's body. Show me a fetus that can grow without a uterus. You can't. You do not get to use a woman's uterus to develop without her consent. Period. Just as in I cannot force you to give me a kidney just because I need one to live.
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Nico NL Because a baby is a sentient being and a fetus, u too a certain point, is not.
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A fetus cannot consciously make a choice as it is not senteint. It has no legal rights.
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The death penalty is not justice. Its revenge.
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@allizappamcminn4376 Revenge on the condemned. "You took something from me so now I'm going to take something from you". That's not justice.
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@allizappamcminn4376 You clearly know I mean in terms of the family.
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@allizappamcminn4376 I was speaking from the perspective of the family, because they did take someone from them. The victim can't comprehend justice. They're dead. The death penalty is for the satisfaction of the family, not the victim.
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@allizappamcminn4376 There is no purpose for the death penalty. That is my debate. You cannot speak on behalf of the victim. They're dead and are incapable of caring. The whole reason for the judicial system is to protect the living and console those left behind. It does NOTHING for the dead.
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@allizappamcminn4376 And why should they get the death penalty? What purpose does it serve? It doesn't deter criminals. It doesn't lower crime. Its 3 times the cost of keeping someone in prison. So what does it do?
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@allizappamcminn4376 And what is that purpose? You have yet to answer that. I know what being murdered means. I work as an FI. I see murders every day.
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@allizappamcminn4376 That's called an "appeal to emotion" fallacy and should not be the basis of a law. The word "justice" is a subjective term.
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@allizappamcminn4376 But the word Justice means "doing what is just". That depends entirely on what your opinion of justice is. You dont seem to understand what the word "subjective" means. And it is an appeal to emotion. There's no practical reason to have capital punishment. People want it because they are emotional. "He/She SHOULD be killed"- That is an opinion. Not a fact.
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@allizappamcminn4376 That's a subjective opinion. Not an objective fact.
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@allizappamcminn4376 Yes you are by saying the death penalty is "justice" That's appealing to your emotion.
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@allizappamcminn4376 Once again, that's an opinion. Most victims, like myself, and their families do not believe that.
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@Ally Zappa McMinn Because the "blue whale being the largest animal to ever live" can be proven to be true through empirical evidence. You claiming to "know" something does not make it fact. Justice is an emotional concept, not a factual one. Your. Opinions. Are. Not. Facts.
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@Ally Zappa McMinn Fact: a thing that is indisputably the case. a piece of information presented as having objective reality Justice is NOT OBJECTIVE REALITY! Your definition of justice depends entirely on circumstances. Therefor, the death penalty being justice is an opinion, as it cannot be proven objectively.
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@allizappamcminn4376 That's still an opinion.
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Mathilde Young Fetus is not a human being. It's a DNA cell cluster developing into a human being.
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Not if the vendor you are buying from is a private seller. I get tired, as a pro-gun advocate, of those that claim to be pro-gun not knowing the difference between state and federal laws.
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Asexual polyamorous people exist.
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Then you did a very piss poor job, because you don't know what these definitions are. Agnosticism refers to knowledge. Atheism refers to belief. And most are both. Atheists only lack a belief in God. Period. It says nothing more about any other supernatural events or an afterlife. Agnosticism is a redundant term that literally means "I don't know." Anyone who is honest should be agnostic.
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@acemxe8472 Most people do not use the philosophical definitions in a general discussion. They use the coloquial definitions. You would only use the philosophical definitions if you were actually debating philosophy. Which most don't.
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@acemxe8472 That's why its important to discuss if its philosophical or colloquial in nature. Because we naturally use the coloquial definitions. Which would make Jeremy incorrect. Then again, even philosophically he'd be incorrect.
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Aladeen Madafaka Get over it. Catholics are Christians. They're the largest sect of Christanity.
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That doesn't make an omnivorous diet the best for everyone. The best diet is whatever make each individual healthy and happy
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If you're in a polyamorous relationship and it feels more comfortable than a monogamous one.
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@wildrose2748 Gee...I wonder how people who naturally miscarry are gonna enjoy their jail cell?
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@wildrose2748 You may actually be a psychopath. You hope that women who miscarry break their necks? Or am I misunderstanding something?
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A fetus has no rights. And even if it did, their rights would be equal. You simply don't get to live at another person's expense
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@philip1065 A fetus never had legal rights to begin with. The law does not grant those without a consciousness rights. You do not lose your right to bodily autonomy when you chose to have sex. That is absolutely ridiculous. Abortion is a way of taking responsibility, just like motherhood or adoption. You go to jail because you have violated someone else's right. That is not equivalent to abortion.
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@philip1065 That human has no right in the first place. Rights aren't inherent. They are granted to you by the government. And again, even if they were, they would be equal to the mother's. They are dealing with the consequences. They just aren't dealing with it the way you want them to. It is their body. Show me a fetus that grows without someone's uterus. It doesn't exist. It is not the woman's fault that the fetus cannot live outside her womb.
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@philip1065 The problem with that rhetoric is that a newborn and a toddler can surviver on their own without the use of another person's body. Sure, someone older would have to help them, but their body isn't being used against their consent. And I don't recall saying value is based on self-suficiancy. I just don't think value is inherent. If they are sentient, then they legally have a right to life. That right is still equal to a person's right to liberty, however. Human rights are given to you by a government. Unfortunately, under an anarchial system, you would have no rights. A fetuses "right to life" (which it doesn't have by the way even if I agree it should) to a mother's right to liberty. Just as even if I will die without it, I am not obligated to your kidney or blood. The rights are equal. I agree to abstain if you can. I agree with using protection. But these methods fail. You are describing late term and surgical abortions, which are performed because of medical necessity. This is not how 96% of abortions are performed. Most abortions are done via a pill and a D&C, just like a miscarriage.
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Depends on who at the gun show you're buying it from and if their an FFL licensed seller or a private seller. Also depends on what state you're in. My first gun show purchase had no bill of sale or background check.
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@Henry-gv3cy And I stand by that. I didn't say they were wrong. I just questioned why this is the only scenario when we place value on a generalized biological life and not life in the metaphysical/psychological sense.
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@agent99._.53 Would help if your reply made sense. If that were true, why are DNR's a thing? Why is it up to the next of kin to remove someone from life support?
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Most supernatural things have never been proven to exist. That being said, I know many atheists who believe in the supernatural.
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@CharmednReady03 No because gun control wouldn't save anyone. Dismantling gun free zones and offering education in gun saftey to those who want it, and allowing them to carry, would stop shootings.
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Private sales.
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@Im_BrOkE6579 Private sales happen at gun shows all the time. And the term "legal vendor" is vague. Anyone without a felony is a legal vendor. I believe the term you should use is a "dealer", as a dealer must have an FFL.
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Defense of faith at the cost of looking like a complete douchebag.
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Because most killers DON'T have zero empathy.
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That is absoutely not true. While certain conditions may make a plant based diet unsuitable, that is not the case for a majority of humans. Most people don't need meat. They eat it beacuse they want to. Don't care what you eat, but don't spread misinformation.
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@SooBeautyFull No, I don't believe that. And neither do the majority if victims. Capital punishment isnt justice. Its revenge
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And what points were those?
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This video does a really bad job of portraying polyamorous relationships. We DON'T call one primary. MOST polyamorous relationships are NOT open. Most of us love all parties involved EQUALLY.
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Both are going to heaven, if your God is really as loving as you claim he is.
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Its a poor name referring to private sales at shows, which don't require a background check. Which is completely legal.
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Juan valencia She's an agnostic atheist. Someone who doesn't know whether or not a god exists but doesn't believe in one. Why is everyone so confused about what agnosticism is?
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Juan valencia Yes, because she's an Atheist. So why wouldn't they?
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Not all poly relationships are open. I would argue most of them aren't
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No, all of this comes down to whether you believe value is based on inherent life or sentience.
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No its not. Has to be unlawful to be murder.
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Furry Destroyer Humans can be either or. Our canines are not the same as a carnivorous animal. But anything in moderation.
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Furry Destroyer Says who? Humans have the capacity to be healthy on all diets except a strictly carnivorous one. To say humans aren't "supposed to be" vegetarian is silly.
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Furry Destroyer And I'm saying you are wrong. No, I'm not misinterpreting your argument.
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Furry Destroyer No. I'm saying anatomically, meat damages the body over periods of time and excess. So take everything in moderation and pick a diet that is right for you and your needs. My point to you is no human requires meat. That is a want, not a nutritional need
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Neither of which the Bible is against, funnily enough.
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@Jdrbb123 Ummm no its not? The punishment for simply sleeping with someone out of wedlock is death. The punishment for heresy is death. And multiple times did God condone abortion. The only one who has selective reading is you.
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@Jdrbb123 I didn't manipulate anything. I can recite them to you exactly as written. You're manipulating them to make them seem justified or less evil, because it paints your God in a better light
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ΔΠDRΣШ LΔSTΠΔMΣ TPD • 50 years ago No, thats not true. Vaccines jump start the immune system to fight a virus you come into contact with before it spreads. It does not protect you from getting it. It prevents you from developing complications.
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ΔΠDRΣШ LΔSTΠΔMΣ TPD • 50 years ago a vaccines gives your body a chance to fight off a virus before it is able to spread or take root. And thats not true. People get the flu vaccine and still get the flu. It allows your body to fight it off better and faster. It does not guarantee you won't get it.
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If you choose to watch children suffer at the hands of abusive parents because you didn't want them to die, you are truly a scary and disgusting person.
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Lizzie Allen That's not my point. My point is if you want to call people disgusting for having an abortion, be prepared to be blamed for everything that happens to that child. There are people out there that did wish they had been aborted. To act like they're feelings don't matter and they should be grateful is despicable. I know everyone suffers. My point is some of these children suffer because of people like you, who shame unfit parents into keeping them.
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And you know that how?
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Yeah, the dairy isn't good either. Not in those amounts.
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Only if you're buying from a dealer. In most states, private sales (which occur at shows) do not require background checks.
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Sociopath is not a term used anymore, but being optimistic doesn't make someone naive.
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@jadenl9253 We now use an ASPD spectrum (anti-social personality disorder). What we use to term as psychopaths and sociopaths now are classified on this spectrum. No, I don't believe he believes that. What he was referring to is the vast majority of people we can rehabilitate but just don't. You can be optimistic and still be a realist.
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@jadenl9253 Clinical and criminal psychologists. Sorry, I use the term we to define the group as a whole. And its because I work in the field for a living. But if you don't believe me, the work is out there. Its not like sociopaths don't exist. The community just no longer classifies them under that name.
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But this is a poor representation of vegans
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A subjective opinion is not grounds to base a law on.
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You only have to have a bill of sale in states that put restrictions on private sales. I have never had a background check on any firearms I've purchased, nor have had a bill of sale. All I needed was to prove I was a resident of the state in which I was purchasing the gun. It's not false.
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@welovetheoutdoors4834 lol. No I haven't. I work in the criminal jutlstice system. Every single one of those guns are legally purchased. Try again.
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@ChucksSEADnDEAD So what if cops are at gun shows? You don't need an FFL license to sell at a gun show. If you are not buying the gun from an FFL dealer, it's a private sale.
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Good thing abortion isn't murder.
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@parthenon5106 Yep. And that won't last. Nor will it stop people from getting an abortion. Nor will they be able to prosecute them, as the federal court would throw the case out. They'd only be able to charge them at a state level. Petitions are already in the supreme court about Alabama. That law will not stand.
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@parthenon5106 Based on all your responses, I don't believe for one second you're against that law. I think you would happily see women and children suffer if it meant them being born.
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@parthenon5106 You don't like seeing anyone suffer? But you think its wrong for someone to get an abortion? Thats a contradiction.
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Oh please. Don't pretend like younwould save a stranger over your pet.
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A fetus is incapable of suffering until it is sentient. By the way, other parts of the Bible not only supports abortion, but demands it.
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Most of the grown food goes to livestock. Veganism is about reducing the amount of sentient life used. At least in an ethical sense.
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Nice how you leave out the crucial detail that late term abortions are only done for medical necessity. The cutoff in most instances legally is 20 weeks, and most doctors will not perform an abortion past 15.
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Its entirely possible to live a healthy life on a vegan lifestyle. Soybeans have all amino acids necessary. They're a complete protein.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by An agnostic is someone who doesn't know whether or not a God exists. KNOWLEDGE does not equal BELIEF. Agnostic stems from the roots a, meaning without knowledge, and gnostic, meaning knowledge. It means "without knowlede". The issue I have is people who claim freewill and omnipotence. You can't have both. I believe it is intellectually dishonest to believe in something without evidence. However, if it gives you hope, more power to you.
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@GabrielGonzalez-kb5by I do not believe a God exists because there is no evidence of one. However, I don't KNOW if a God exists or not. You seem to not understand the difference between knowledge and belief. Belief has nothing to do with agnostic. That's theism. Knowledge applies to gnosticism. Belief has nothing to do with whether or not your a gnostic or and agnostic. That is what you know to be true. Correct. No one has knowledge of the supernatural, which is why the term agnostic is redundant, because everyone should be agnostic. I don't care whether Darwin agreed with me or not. I'm giving you the definition of what an atheist and am agnostic is. I am agnostic because I do not know. I am an atheist because i do not believe.
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There is no "good case" on thr pro-life position. Its literally nothing but special pleading and ignorance of the issue. Not to mention anti-rights, both of women and the dying.
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@Humanity Galatica Oh really? So what about those who are pro-choice and anti-abortion?
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Anddd thats called an argument from emotion fallacy. Being against capital punishment actually has facts behind it, unlike flat earth.
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The exact definiton of pro-life is opposing abortion and euthanasia. There is no reason for you to try to change the law, yet you do.
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You don't need a background check to purchase privately.
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Biologically, we are all a cluster of cells. So if you wanna be technical, she's right. Granting personhood to a fetus doesn't mean it isn't a cluster of cells.
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@ourblessedtribe9284 At our most basic fundamental level, we are still clusters of cells. Cells make up the building blocks of life. Also no, clusters are groups of cells that DO work in conjunction with each other.
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Banning guns will not prevent people from being violent. Guns can save lives just as much as they can take them.
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She literally had no reason to be positive to people who were condescending asses to her. And not accepting someone's business card, especially when they've been rude to you, is not rude.
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Çerastes it's also not possible to believe in the Bible 100% and not be in prison. That's intellectually dishonest.
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Plenty of vegans are normal. I'm sorry
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@PeaceDweller Being Vegan is not a mental illness. Thousands of years ago, we relied on meat for certain vitamins. As we evolved, our body evolved. There is nothing wrong with eating meat in moderation. But there is also nothing wrong with being vegan
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Its not murder. Understand the definition of a word before you use it.
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She said show. Not store. Those are different.
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@MrScissor90 There is no law stating you must be an FFL dealer to sell at shows. Most shows in my state are all 3rd party, because the guns are cheaper. That is literally something you made up, and its ridiculous.
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@MrScissor90 That we agree upon. But that is the case in the majority of states, and you make it sound like it isn't.
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That's really sad to be honest.
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Not for private sales.
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@witnessesofthelightjq5623 She said gun shows. And in 38 out of 50 states, there is no restrictions on private sales. Thats the majority of the country.
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@witnessesofthelightjq5623 Umm no. Gun shows are public events where vendors set up booths. This can either be private sellers or gun dealers.
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@at7860 Yes they are. What do you think we are?
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@at7860 Humans are mammals, which is a species of animal. We're great apes.
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@at7860 Well, it doesn't matter if you agree. That doesn't change the facts. Ethical vegans advocate for sentient life, which plants are not. And not all vegans are ethical vegans. I'm a vegan, but I don't care what you eat
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@at7860 Ethical vegans, to my knowledge, understand that humans cannot live without killing something that is living. Animals are sentient, and are able to think and feel. Somebody who is paralyzed would still be able to feel and think. Thats a ridiculous statement. More people are becoming vegan because its generally healthier and its better for the planet. Thats my experience.
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@richardgregory3684 And that has both its benefits and downfalls.
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@ritadavison4857 I have never had to pay for vaccines. Ever. And children rarely get sick from vaccines. So, no. It isn't easy to understand.
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@ritadavison4857 Do you even understand why doctors are paid so much? You understand how expensive medical school is?
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That's a joke...right?
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@retarded455 okay good. Its a joke.
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@yerboishrek2871 You know what's terrible advice and is detrimental to physical and psychological health? Not having sex when your body wants it.
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Nope. In fact, I don't believe anything has inherent value.
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And thats why he's called an ignorant asshole. Because he's not only pushy and rude, but quite unintelligent.
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Which is not the issue. The issue, morally, is that its hypocrisy. Livestock are sentient and have feelings. Why can they be slaughtered for food, but slaughtering a companion animal for food is a 15 year prison sentence? Its the hypocrisy and the hierarchy that I take issue with and thats why I'm personally vegan.
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Thats partially because vegans abstain from all animal products, including clothing such as leather, wool and silk.
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Then there's no reason to have a death penalty, because any CJ or Law student will tell you there is never 100% evidence and that confessions can be false.
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You'd be a non denominational theist.
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Pro-abortionist doesn't exist. Pro-choice encompasses the same choices pro-life does, but allows for abortion. Doesn't mean abortion is your only option.
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@SonGoku-777 Circumstances matter. Thats not being hypocritical.
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@SonGoku-777 Because circumstances matter and change. Opting to get an abortion because you believe its necessary and then opting for adopting is not hypocritical. What would be hypocritical would be just to decide you didn't want the child, abort it, then immediately adopt. That doesn't happen.
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@SonGoku-777 You should always consider adoption, but adoption is a fucked up system that doesn't guarentee happiness
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Gotta prove God exists first
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Cato Sicarius Why do you need faith for that? Why do your questions need to have an answer?
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@jaycestetson2899 Because murder by its established definition is unlawful, which abortion is not. Now, if you live in an area where abortion is illegal, then yes. It would be murder. That isn't the case here. Killing, or termination of development which is what abortion technically is, does not necessarily equate to murder.
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@jaycestetson2899 Because I know first hand what its like to try and live in an unfit environment. You are advocating for quantity of life over quality of life, and that is vile in my opinion.
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@jaycestetson2899 To each their own. But there are way worse things than death
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As a victim, it is disrespectful to me to speak on my behalf. I am capable of making that decision for myself. I decide myself whether they deserve a second chance to me. You make those decisions for yourself when you have experienced it. We have moved past your dark age mentality. Just because something was stolen from me does not mean I now have the right to steal it from them.
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@somethingoranother2112 You made assumptions as well and you are a complete hypocrite. You prentended to speak on everyone's behalf. I never spoke for anyone but myself. I make the decision on whether or not someone deserves a second chance. No one has to agree with me. But this argument is irrelevant to whether or not capital punishment should be abolished.
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Maybe not any gun you want, but any one they are selling. And you don't need a background check if the seller is a private party. Least in most states.
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You can in 38 states if you buy from a private vendor.
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@scottlang7564 Private vendors set up at shows all the time. All of my firearms have been purchased privately at shows.
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@scottlang7564 Thats for two reasons. 1 is that everyone at that particular show is an FFL dealer and 2 is that the state requires a background check on private sales. Instead of watching videos, read up on the law. It'll offer insight about your particular state.
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@scottlang7564 If a vendor does not have an FFL, then they are a private seller, and they absolutely can sell you a firearm without a background check in 38 out of 50 states. There is no law that mandates that only those with FFL's can sell at shows. There is also no law that prevents someone without an FFL to sell any amount of guns. You only need an FFL if you are a dealer by profession. If you've had family get into trouble for that, then you need to look at your specific states laws. I am pro-gun as well, and own three myself. I'm sorry, but you're wrong
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Then provide the evidence for your God.
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@JOVine-gl6df I'm waiting.
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You SHOULD do whatever makes you and your partner do best in YOUR relationship.
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M Thats also a strawman argument. Because those have nothing to do with abortion.
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M I know exactly what a strawman is. Rape, murder and slavery violate another SENTIENT PERSON'S rights. Abortion does not. Bringing up rape etc. to an abortion debate is a strawman. They have nothing to do with each other. Why are you trying to destroy women and the dying's rights? Why do you think outlawing abortion will help anything?
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M Abortion should be allowed because that choice is a right. A right outlined in the Constitution. You completely misunderstood why we use the term "choice" and that is why your argument is a strawman. Your argument was "since abortion is a legal choice, slavery, rape and muder should be a legal choice as well." At least that is how you framed it.
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@Riri Sure, no problem.
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@Riri I don't use any social media. I have a skype and a discord, and thats about it.
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M Not true. The right to abortion is outlined both in the right to liberty (which literally meant the right to oneself) and the right to bodily autonomy. It had nothing to do with privacy. No, you weren't clear. Thats the general explanation behind pro-choice. I don't understand how you aren't understaning that is also the OC's point.
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M That was one judges conclusion, not the decision as a whole. You've completely turned into an asshole because people do not agree with you. Maybe try even considering why we might be pro-choice.
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While I don't care what you eat, animals do not "live just to live". They feel the same emotions we do.
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@jeremydespair Yes we do. There's plenty of research out there showing many different species of animals feeling joy, pain, excitement etc. Ask any pet owner.
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@jeremydespair Humans have "dreams and aspirations" only because of a pre-frontal cortex. Thats isn't what you implied in your original comment. You implied that animals just exist, as if they don't feel anything. Yes, they live to survive, but so do humans.
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No. But they also don't deserve death. Thats why life in prison exists.
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@Abel Abel Humans aren't at the top of the food chain. To be at the top of the food chain, your diet must strictly consist of predators.
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@Abel Abel Again, that is not how we scientifically construct food chains. Even though its irrelevant, you're still being inaccurate.
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I understand science and morals. I support a womans right to have an abortion, because life is not the issue. Sentience is.
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@webhead86104 No, because murder by definition is unlawful. Killing is not always synonymous with murder. Since when does life matter? You a vegan? Do you live with the insects and rodents who come into you house? Why is human life on such a pedestal? Don't be a hypocrite. If you're truly pro-life, then you're pro-life in all circumstances. You're vegan, anti abortion, anti death penalty, and anti euthanasia.
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@webhead86104 I don't believe you are intrinsically valuable. You are no more valuable than any other human born. What gives you value is the people who you affect by existing. Humans ARE animals. Quit putting us on a pedestal. It isnt murder unless it is unlawful, which abortion is not. Morality is subjective. I would argue forcing an unfit mother to birth a child is immoral. You don't have your "own" DNA unless you have a mutation. You have half your mothers and half your fathers.
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@webhead86104 I don't think I'm disturbed. I think I'm being quite rational. I'm pro choice because I know what happens when you force an unfit mother to give birth. You aren't unique. If you were unique, you'd share no characteristics with anyone.
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@webhead86104 What a coincidence. So am I. Perhaps though, unlike you, I had different struggles, and would have actually preferred not to have been born. That isnt what unique means, but okay. Of course you're your own person. Your experience in life is unique. But you aren't.
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Party of dead Not liking sex does not mean asexual. Asexual does not exist. Aromantic? Yes. Not interested in Sex? Absolutely. I don't believe anyone is asexual.
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Thomas Benedict Sex is also an act that exists for pleasure. Abortion is not murder. Please pick up a dictionary and read what the definiton if murder is. Killing and murder are not interchangeable terms in all cases. Heartbeat independently starts between 11 and 12 weeks FYI. If you can hear a heartbeat at 6 weeks, which most can't, it is the fetuses heart beginning to form and the passing of blood that will eventually form the circulatory system. That heartbeat is more the mother than the fetus. Brainstem does not develop until 15 weeks to the point sentience and pain is achieved. Rudementary nerves that will eventually become a brainstem begin forming at about 4.5 weeks. Yes, actually I do. If they have no quality of life, to me they are not living. Hell, most people would rather die than be braindead. This is why I strongly suggest making a living will, so people know exactly what you want done in case of brain death. That's why I have a DNR. To avoid that problem.
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That is not only not logical, its not proof of anything. People in polyamorous relationships, for the most part, spend all their time together. As a group. As you would with two people. Because most polyamorous relationships are not open. You can give effort and commitment to someone without spending physical time with that. How do you think people successfully online date? Love has nothing to do with how much time or attention you give them. Love is a physical chemical change in the brain. I'd be willing to bet money I'm more in love with both my partners than many monogamous people. We don't have cheating, jealousy, or the possession and trust issues of many monogamous relationships. Tldr; You can be in either type of relationship and it can be healthy.
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Humans are animals. Thats just a biological fact
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Its not cheaper in most places simply because of supply and demand, but in general it actually is healthier. B12 and omega 3's can be found in fortified vegan foods rather easily. Almond milk fortified with b12 is actually cheaper than cows milk where I live. You don't need supplements to be vegan. I'm surprised that lie is still around. No vegan I personally know takes supplements. That being said, you can also be perfectly healthy eating meat. Just a personal preference.
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Why does my and my partners happiness bother you so much? I would genuinely like to know.
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@Papacam-pc1ix That's not true. Loving anyone, even outside of physical relationships, take commitment. I do love all my husband's flaws. I also love my partners flaws. You are allowed to have your opinion. I'm also allowed to voice my opposition. Especially when people are trying to prevent me from having my rights.
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@Papacam-pc1ix I wasn't saying you. I was saying some people. Thats why I respond. Is because some people literally don't think I should legally be allowed to have multiple partners.
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I'm sorry that you feel that way, but can assure you it isn't true
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@shawnascholz7805 Just because your brother and yourself are from the same family tree does not mean your children and theirs have the same genetic makeup. They do not. That is not how genetics works. I am well aware they are companies. I am also well aware that they can have side effects. I also know that millons of children and adults have been saved by vaccines. Your niece and nephew having issues, none of which are immune disorders, has nothing to do with whether they were vaccinated or not. Vaccines are free. If anything, manufacturers loose money on vaccines. I have had health problems all my life, and I am well aware that some people only see me as a dollar sign. My children are vaccinated because I have seen children die without vaccines. And while I firmly believe choosing to vaccinate should be a choice, you should also be prepared for the criminal and financial consequences IF your children get hurt or hurt others.
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@shawnascholz7805 I do have children, and both of my children and myself love anime and cartoons. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and I am very happy making 6 figures a year and finishing up my MD. My tastes and what I enjoy in no way reflect my parenting or my mental capacity. Your ad hominems are quite sad.
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@shawnascholz7805 I expose my children to those I know, trust and have always cared. You may be a zealot conspiracy theorist, but I am far more educated than that.
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You live in the minority (or your buying from a dealer).
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I don't see how anti-vaxxers, a potentially hazardous group, can be compared to the lgbt, who just want the same rights and privileges as everyone else.
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@StopJerkingOff No, I did tead your comment and I'm not triggered. I just legimately didn't understand. Oh and lets see. Healthcare and adoption rights to children are two off the top of my head I can think of. You don't choose who you're attracted to by the way.
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@StopJerkingOff No, its not. Gender reassignment sugery, for instance, can be outright denied by both physicans and insurance companies. People don't sue because there is no law thats been broken. You cannot be denied healthcare based on your sexuality, but a hospital can deny a partner to see you on the grounds of it being same sex. Children are being continously abused by the state and set up for failure. Why can't trans and gay people adopt them into loving homes? What's wrong with that? How do we have bigger problems than basic human rights? I'm not trying to sound preachy. If you don't support LGBTQ thats your right. But to compare it to a dangerous group of people like anti-vaxxers is disgusting at worst and a strawman at best.
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@StopJerkingOff Not all people know right away what they like. And the majority of people know what they're into by the time they finish puberty, although some certainly are confused, mostly because of hatred towards the LGBTQ community.
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Yeah the outcome has been fantastic because everyone around him is vaccinated. You should have the right to not vaccinate, but your child should not be allowed in schools, and you should be held criminally responsible should something happen to him or someone else. Vaccines have never been linked to cancer or autism. I am a cancer survivor and autistic, and am not vaccinated.
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Because comdoms work 100% of the time...
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I have severe epilepsy. I have massive seizures every day. I'd be willing to bet she did not get seizures from a vaccine.
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Perhaps if the Christians weren't so ignorant and actually discussed their beliefs AS BELIEFS, that wouldn't happen.
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Less a myth and more of an improper name.
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@outdoorwanderer7729 You can go to private stalls. They sell at shows all the time
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@outdoorwanderer7729 No. You need an ID to legally purchase any firearm.
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@outdoorwanderer7729 You only require a background check in most states if you're buying from an FFL dealer.
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@pipperoni3636 No?
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Really hard to be secular and pro-life, since pro-life arguments are even weaker not coming from religion.
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No one is pro-abortion.
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@sheskindameansometimes7541 Then stay out of thr legal system.
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There's not in all cases. Depends on where and who.
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Then in all honesty, I think you're a hypocrite. But we all are so.
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@delvyntrinidad7131 No, you're just wrong. Humans are animals. Thats just a fact, whether you believe it or not.
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1 count of rape would in no way get you the death penalty. That is not a capital offense.
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@akutenshi6946 Rape in my state is a minimum of 35 to life.
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Deserving os something in a subjective opinion is an argument from emotion fallacy. Capital punishment, as with any law, should be practical. And its not.
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Punished, however, does not have to mean execution. And there is tons of grey area.
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It doesn't need to exist. It's not a deterrent.
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@fabio11826 The word "justice" is a subjective term. I don't believe it is "justice" to execute someone. I believe it is revenge. Capital Punishment is a strictly emotional law, and that shouldn't be how things are done. If there is no practical reason for a punishment and it does nothing to benefit society, it should be done away with. What benefit does it provide for society, other than justify people's revenge?
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@fabio11826 jus·tice /ˈjəstəs/ noun 1. just behavior or treatment. How is that objective? What is "just behavior or treatment" is influenced by people's feelings an emotions. So no, its not objective. You're not making excuses nor are you letting them off lightly just for not killing them. I would argue Death Row and killing them is actually the better of the two options, based on inmates I have spoken with. It is emotional. It does nothing beneficial that life in prison doesn't do. What benefit does it provide for society, other than justify people's revenge?
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@fabio11826 Guess what dear? The law isn't based on your religion anymore. People have differing religions and view. The word "objective" doesn't appear in the bible. It's a prosecutors job to only prove that a person is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If you want to be mad at someone for sentencing, blame the judge. It's ultimately their decision. Most "civilzations" don't have the death penalty. Often, these countries have the lowest crime rates. Tell that to the people who have been innocently executed. It's too expensive, its not a deterrent, it doesn't lower crime rate, and it risks executing an innocent. It does not benefit society other than putting another family through your own pain.
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HT T So your word of truth is the Bible? Fine. That's certainly not the case for everyone and is not the established definiton of the word objective. It always comes down to the judge. There is no trial without the judge. The jury only finds a client guilty or innocent and only suggests a sentence. It's the judge who decides what the punishment is. A lot of trials are bench trials, meaning only in front of a judge without a jury, for this reason. 140 out of 195 recognized countries have abolished the death penalty. That is not a minority. South Korea, one of the richest countries in the world, doesn't have the death penalty. Thank you for proving you can't do any research. Part of that is because of their culture and their economy, not because they perform capital punishment. Switzerland, the country with the lowest crime rate, has no death penalty. It's 3 times the cost of keeping someone in prison for life. That's 1% too many. 1 in 25 people on death row are innocent. Morality is once again a subjective concept. I would be lying if I said I don't feel empathy for them, but no. I work in the criminal justice field as an FI and have never gotten so much as a speeding ticket.
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HT T The Bible is a series of stories that cannot be proven. We can prove other planets exist, you cannot prove the supernatural. That's why it's supernatural. You can say I'm wrong, but I'm not. Belief is a matter of opinion. Their decisions often influence the judge, but the judge ultimately makes the decision. You can't make up fictional factors. That's lying under oath. That's why the defense and prosecution work hard to find juries in favor of their side, if it does go to trial. 106 have abolished the death penalty for any crime. 140 have abolished capital punishment as a practice, even though it's legal. So no, the majority of countries do not practice the death penalty. Japan isn't nearly as peaceful as you claim. While the homicide rate is nearly the same as Switzerland, Japan has an organized crime problem with the Yakuza, especially with drugs, arson, and trafficking. Do some research. Do they deserve It? Possibly. That's a matter of personal opinion. I do care about those victims lives. That's why I got into this profession. I lost a sister to a murderer, and have lifelong disabilities because of injuries I sustained. I feel empathy because I'm human, and a lot of criminals are victims themselves. Sorry, but it's a fact that morality is subjective. And I do get to influence law. In fact, I'm one of the reason my state is overturning the death penalty
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HT T Funny about the evidence supposed is that they never let an unbiased third party study their findings. I wonder why. There are no eyewitness accounts, as even the earliest books of the bible were written 30 years after Jesus' supposed lifetime. It's on their books yes, but is not used anymore. Let's even take your 106. That is still the majority. There is organized crime in every country, but the overall crime rate in Switzerland is much lower. However, correlation does not equal causation in all cases. No, I don't have Stockholm Syndrome. And no, I never said they shouldn't be judged or punished by society. I just don't think death is the way to go. That's not productive of fair to put another innocent family through the pain I went through. I'm from Indiana. We're in the process of overturning our death penalty.
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@ratofvengence Russia is a 1st world developed nation that has a higher homicide rate than the US. What, to you is "first world developed nations"? There's no definiton for that.
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And you would be quite wrong. I am a generally negative person about myself and am quick to point out my own faults. That doesn't keep me from loving my partners.
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@chewface No actually. I have always struggled with self esteem problems. I have a full time job and am currently raising a pair of twins. I would say my life is pretty good, even though I'm poly.
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@chewface 2. I have a husband and a "betrothed". I don't really know why I struggle with self esteem
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Well, barring medical exemptions.
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No, abortion terminates the development of a non-sentient fetus. Unless, of course, you're having a late term abortion.
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@andyscott15 I'll hear what you have to say. I just may disagree. I don't believe we have the same definition of truth.
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@igfatherhoodfortruth2.014 There may be only one truth, but that doesn't mean you have it. Truth has to be backed up with evidence. Scientific theories are the best thing we have. The law of gravity is under the theory of gravity. When you can prove a) a God exists b) which God exists and c) What his wants are, then I'll believe.
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@igfatherhoodfortruth2.014 Except you have no evidence of design or creation. I don't bypass it. There simply isn't evidence for it. And as someone who works in the science field, thats not true. I'm fine admitting I don't know the answers. You know who else is as honest as thieves? Preachers. I don't hide from God. Provide me the evidence that one exists, and I'll believe. No, I won't. I can't lose as an atheist. I win no matter what.
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@andyscott15 If I'm judged solely on the fact that I didn't believe in a God that could not be bothered to give me evidence of his existence, then your God is a tyrannical monster, and I would never want to spend an eternity with him. How about all of the pedophilia and theft cases?
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@lennymice2261 Because its...not relevant? Predatory animals need meat from a nutritional standpoint. Humans do not. Some moral vegans would also argue you, as a human, have a conscious.
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@STONKS_MemeMan I'm hanging in there. That was a strange response.
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@STONKS_MemeMan Yeah I'm making it. How are you?
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@lennymice2261 Your comment has no meaning.
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You can be polyamorous and loyal.
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Well, they are.
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@manelboudjellaba6537 Its not a belief. Its a fact. Animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. That would include humans. All humans are animals but not all animals are humans.
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@manelboudjellaba6537 So do other animals. They have minds, emotions and reasoning. Just different from humans. That doesn't mean scientifically we aren't animals. I would argue humans are worse than animals
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@manelboudjellaba6537 Humans also have instincts. Your sympathetic nervous system. And yes, animals do have minds and reasoning. That's how they survive to reproduce.
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That doesn't address how a death penalty makes a society safer. It absolutely doesn't.
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That's not true in all cases. I'm pro gun, but private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows, and there is no background check in most states.
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@sogapoc9747 Most booths are FFL dealers, so yes you'll need a background check. I'm referring to non FFL dealers who sell at gun shows. For instance, all of my guns are from shows. I have never had a background check because the person selling it to me was a citizen, not a dealer.
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@sogapoc9747 Just because you only consider them part of a gun show doesn't make you correct. Though I agree in the fact that a. It's not just referring to gun shows and b. It really isnt a loophole. Again, not all booths who set up are FFL dealers. She's referring to to private sellers who sell at gun shows, and in that case, she is correct. But I understand what you are saying.
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@sogapoc9747 I bought them at a gun show. It's that simple. I just bought them from a citizen and not a dealer. He had his own booth just as those with FFL licenses do.
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Abortion is not murder. Thats not an opinion. Its a fact
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@afrikaanseboer7126 That doesn't fit the definition of murder. By the way, why do you people put so much emphasis on the heart and NOT the brain?
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@afrikaanseboer7126 So, since when is abortion unlawful in the US? Only Alabama has outlawed abortion on a state level, and they do not supersede the federal law.
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It wouldn't lower crime, and that has been proven. By the way, does that apply to any violent crime? Like fighting for instance? Go back to the dark ages.
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@Sieghart. You said violent crimes. And when we did have quick death sentences, it also didn't lower crime and we executed a lot more innocent people. The system we have in place is due to us making those kinds of errors. Prisons dont have quotas. That's a myth people like to throw around. You know nothing of the prison system. By the way, it's common knowledge that capital punishment is more expensive than keeping someone in prison for life. The criteria needed for someone to get the death penalty is already extremely high. You have a right to an appeals process regardless of what you are convicted of, and 4% of those on death row are innocent of the crime that put them there. Focusing on rehabilitation instead of punishment is how you do that, not threatening everyone with death.
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Most do actually.
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The real answer: No. No we're not.
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@Klack Koaster No, we're not.
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@Klack Koaster If you google if humans were at the top of the food chain, then you would find that we weren't. Food chains are based on trophic levels. Humans rank a 2.5. That is not the top. I'd suggest actually researching. Since you clearly didn't.
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@Klack Koaster That is not what defines a food chain dumbass. Just because nothing eats us on a regular basis doesn't make us an apex predator. We actually do have predators, including bears, crocodiles and lions. We just don't often reside in their natural habitat. To truly be at the top of a food chain, one must only consume the flesh of other predators. This is not humans. Take an ecology class.
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@Klack Koaster Except we're not. And no ecologist or scientist will say that. Literally Google "are humans top of the food chain." Literally all the scientific articles say "No". Because we do not have the trophic level of an apex predator. You failed science hard man.
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You can be poly and be loyal.
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@Peni_Parker_Main Why do people being different bother you so much?
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I think it's funny that people use the term millennial as an insult, considering they are millennials themselves most of the time.
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Unbelieveable Because it's irritating to try and give a perspective of what you think only to be told you aren't what you are. That's infuriating.
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That is some major projection. I am objectively happier now as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian.
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A fetus at the time of most abortions is non-sentient. It cannot have a choice because it lacks the functions necessary to make a choice. A fetus is not a baby. Medically speaking, a baby is only such after birth. If your story is true, thats great. But your experience may not be the same as someone elses. Someone else could see that and be reminded of horrible trauma, leading them to a cycle of neglect and abuse. It is life. But that doesn't matter.
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No
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Except that isn't true. The milk that cows produce is SUPPOSED to go to its calf, since a cow only provides milk when its pregnant. Its us who decide to take that calf away, slaughter it for veal, and then take the milk.
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It is life. But that doesn't matter. Sentience is what matters. Pro-abortion would be advocating for everyone to get an abortion. That is not what pro-choice is. Pro-choice offers you all the same options pro-life does, but includes abortion should all other routes fail
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I would say extremists are crazy. Most vegans are actually really nice.
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Depends on where you live.
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How was she manipulating them?
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Wow. Thats really sad for both of you. To dedicate yourself to a genocidal monster who may not even exist. By the way, did you get permission from your father/husband to post here?
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@TomCL-vb6xc No, of course I think its possible. But I will not show respect to someone who does not respect me. Period. No, I'm not trying to change their point of view, because it will never change.
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@SydLane Well, considering the fact that you call a fetus a baby (which it isn't) and abortion murder (which it isn't) you apparently haven't studied the topic extensively at all. Glad to know you stopp caring about people's rights.
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@SydLane Glad to know you don't know pro-life doesn't just apply to abortion. Also, glad to know you don't know what the definition of murder is.
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@SydLane I'm not being sarcastic. You truly don't know and its honestly sad. By the way, you've never met God. God has never been demonstrated to exist, and I am truly sorry for you that you became indoctrinated. By the way, God is pro-choice. At least according to the Bible.
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@painlessnote90 I don't believe in a God to begin with, so that point falls on deaf ears to me. Adam and Eve never existed. That's just a fact. There were no original 2 humans.
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Sorry, but more of my tax dollars go to put them to death and I'm not okay with that.
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These things have nothing to do with each other.
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You also have to understand the cultural and population differences and the fact that just because you don't have guns doesn't mean people don't get murdered. If mass shootings and murders are what you are trying to stop, restricting guns will not help. In fact, it'll make the problem worse.
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@maxmcdonald4537 No, America does not have a gun issue. And the more good people with guns, the less gun crime we have. You should stop believing everything you hear and actually do some research.
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@maxmcdonald4537 Yeah, those gun crimes where 70% are suicides and accidental discharges.
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First of all it's lie. Second of all, its not a lie. Its just really bad nomenclature. Not all states have a CCW. You don't need a CCW in open carry states. The gun show loophole refers to the private sales that can and do take place at shows. You have to be an FFL dealer to sell at a store. You do NOT have to be an FFL dealer to sell at a show in a majority of states. 38 out of the 50 states put NO restrictions on private sales. If you were denied a firearm at a show it was because you were either in a state that restricts private sales or you were buying from an FFL dealer. NONE of my firearms have ever had background checks, because they were purchased privately. All you need is a valid state ID. My only background check (concerning firearms) came when I applied for a handgun license.
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You don't have to have a dealer to legally purchase a gun in most states.
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@AMC2283 I agree.
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Why? It serves no purpose.
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Lizzie Allen Strawman argument. My point had to do with the original commenter implying that if you use a condom, you won't get pregnant.
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Sara Radley Because he's stating his beliefs as fact and acting like a dick to the atheists.
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You can fall in love with multiple people just as you can have multiple best friends.
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If we apply by definition, she is also an atheist. This man doesn't know what the hell he's talking about.
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Romantic. Cuddling, dates, spending time together etc. Asexuality exists, and some polycules are entirely non-sexual. Polyamory has to do with being in love with multiple partners. Sex doesn't have to factor into it.
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@matt1325 In this case you certainly can. The "effect" of sex isn't implantation of an embryo. All sex potentially does is fertilize the embryo. That implantation is something you have to consent to, which is why Roe vs Wade has never been overturned. The implantion and growth of the embryo is not an effect. Only the fertilization of the egg is. Your analogy doesn't work.
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@matt1325 Because the act of implantation and subsequent growth is an action independent of the intercourse. Maybe saying it isn't an effect is confusing, because it is. But its still an action that involves the use of someone else's body, and that action must be done with consent. If someone does not consent to another being using they're organ, they have every right to take steps against it. A fetus DOESN'T have the right to life (legally speaking) and even if it did, it's right to life would be equal to the woman's right to liberty. I don't get to take an organ from you just because I'll die without it.
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@matt1325 Whether or not you want to think of it that way doesn't change reality. Nothing has the right to use your organ or body without your consent. Agreeing to have sex with someone is not saying "I'm agreeing to letting a fertilized egg emplant in my uterus and feed off me for 9 months." These two actions are seperate. And if were just as simple as fertilized egg=baby, then the body wouldn't abort 50% of pregnancies on its own. You're also suggesting with that argument that all sex ends in pregnancy. And it doesn't. These are two separate actions and should be treated as such.
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I like to think of myself as a normal vegan.
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The gunshow loophole isn't a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows. You do not need a background check in MOST states for private sales, which can happen anywhere.
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@Double0hTater Not true. There is no law that states you must be a dealer to sell at a show.
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@Double0hTater I live in a 2a friendly state, and every show I have been to have both private and licensed sellers
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You know you have a right to have your aborted fetuses right? I know several familes that have the remains.
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And I'm joyful to live in a secular world where I don't have to believe in your potentially fictional sky daddy.
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@undergroundrapfan9018 Nah. I'm good.
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Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life is against abortions even in cases of medical reasons. You're still pro-choice.
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What will killing them accomplish? That doesn't bring the dead back either.
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@lilchibi7403 See you wanna blame it entirely on the government. You know why the police deteriorated? For the same reason it is over here in the US. No one wants to sign up. Know why? Because every decision you make is scrutinized by the people and people want to see you disarmed. When you're attacked by a criminal with a knife, then you'll wish you had a weapon to protect you. The USA isn't a bad place, except in places where citizens have been oppressed and disarmed. I would never want to live anywhere else. I don't have to wait 8 hours in an ER to see a doctor. I can defend myself on the street. And I won't be prosecuted for speaking out against the government.
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But private vendors at shows do not have mandatory background checks
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They'll abstain until the see or experience the absolute havoc COVID reaps on your body, even when you're young and healthy.
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@mariopellegrino7661 Then how come people who were young and healthy died from it? I'm 27 and was in the ICU for 4 days on a respirator.
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El Rico Fairies aren't real and a fetus is not a baby. It's not saying anything because it doesn't have a brainstem to comprehend what is happening
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Are you saying animals aren't sentient? If so, you are mistaken. Yes, they are. Thats why animal abuse is a felony. Humans are animals. You're completely misunderstanding the arguement.
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@youcanthandlethetruth678 Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. Most animals possess this. Humans lucked out on the fusion of chomosome 2. Thats one of the main reasons we have higher cognitive function. I don't care if you're vegan or not. I was just pointing out misinformation.
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@youcanthandlethetruth678 Our sentient level is not higher than others. Our COGNIZANCE is higher than others. Those are not the same word. No, SOME vegans are toxic, arrogant people. I am a vegan, and I am not toxic nor arrogant. I don't think I'm better than you just because you eat meat and I do not. To make a broad generalization like that is, frankly, ignorant. You are an animal. All humans are. Some people would prefer animals over other people.
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@youcanthandlethetruth678 You keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it does. Please learn what the words you're using mean, have a basic understanding of the other sides position, and learn how to spell. Thank you.
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He's not.
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@a.j.rivera3123 Is that why he's a fraud?
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@a.j.rivera3123 I don't really care. I correct the spreading of harmful misinformation.
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We're not.
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Because they have a nutritional need for meat.
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@kva5751 We aren't at the top of the food chain. You have to only consume the flesh of other predators to be at the top of the food chain. In fact, we're in the same rung as pigs. They DO think and feel like us. They just may not communicate it the way we do. Humans are animals. Those who have no problem eating and wearing animals, but then have a problem with abortion are hypocrites. Sounds like someone just wants to justify their beliefs.
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They don't unless they are medically exempt. At least in moat cities.
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He did.
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So why give the murderers the easy way out? Time is so much harder when you're forced to live it. Most criminals argue that death is better than being locked in a cell all day with no freedom.
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@gasoline5071 Are you asking about a comatose patient? Because the answer to that is yes. It is absolutely legal to remove a person off of life support at the discretion of the doctors/next of kin/power of attorney. If your asking about a person only surviving by living off you, then also yes. It would be at your descretion to remove them.
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No its not. Not if the sale is private.
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Nope, not true. Private sales don't require background checks in 32 states. That's over 70% of the country.
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First off, there's nothing wrong with being hedonistic. Humans and animals in general are. Second, a majority of the population suffer mental illness. There are both pro-choice and pro-life people in that category. An unborn fetus cannot make a choice. It had no conciousness nor sentience at the time of a majority of non-medical abortions. How about talking to people who wish they had been aborted. Who's lives were fucked up so badly by the state and "pro-life" people, that they wish to die.
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Because lets pretend that's actually what happens in most abortions.
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It's just not though is it?
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Well, because they don't always. Depends on who and where.
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There is a lot wrong with what he said.
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Emotions do crazy things to people, both innocent and guilty. That should be taken into account.
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Chris Black Nice fallacy. The world is proof of the world's existence of millions of years of activity. Creation does not equal existence
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No, not if it was actually caused by the vaccine. If it was, take it to court. What people get upset with is you claiming your negative experience means that vaccines themselves are completely unsafe for anyone and/or you immediately jumping to the conclusion that the ONLY cause of injury MUST have been the vaccine, instead of looking at all possible explanations.
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@mathildeyoung1823 So what? The fetus isn't sentient.
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That should not be how the criminal justice system works.
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As a failed abortion, I fail to see your point.
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Depends on who you're buying the gun from. Never have I had a background check at a show, but all my sales were private.
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Why place so much value on the heartbeat and not brain activity?
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That doesn't address abortion, since abortion isn't murder.
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@Jack Daniels Not in all cases, such as abortion or self defense. No, you won't be charged with 2 murders. You'll be charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy. You would have to meet very specific criteria to get a double homicide charge to stick.
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@Bodhi Which isn't a double homicide. That would have been 2 counts of 1st degree murder. These 2 counts carry different sentences. And that had to meet very specific circumstances, mainly because Laci was almost 9 months pregnant. Connor would have been viable by that point, and no doctor would have performed an abortion
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Therr's a difference between a gun show and a gun store though.
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I think you need to go back to the dark ages.
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Mm no. Cheating is cheating. You can cheat in polyamorous relationships, but polyamory itself isn't cheating.
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@tsygan7 Ma'am. And if so, I apologize. That was not clear, and many people actually hold this viewpoint.
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Its because to be vegan, you abstain from all animal products. Including clothing.
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@Humanity Galatica You wouldn't know a fallacy if it came up and bit you. And yes. "Killer" is very vague.
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@Humanity Galatica You want an honest answer? Depends on the person. I could agree that someone may deserve death, and still argue against capital punishment.
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@Humanity Galatica No it isn't. You can have both an emotional and a logical opinion on something. I could grant you the emotional without the logical. But I suppose some people just consider everything black and white.
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@Humanity Galatica Logically, I'm against the death penalty. Emotionally, I can understand why people believe in and support the death penalty. Does that make more sense? I don't think anyone has an inherent right to life.
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@Humanity Galatica My first value is practicality. I don't really think emotions belong in debate, though I understand why you cannot seperate them. I have no idea why you think I'm somehow different for seperating logistics and emotions.
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@Humanity Galatica My beliefs are not emotional. I am against the death penalty because it has no practical application, even if I can grant the premise that a criminal may not "deserve" life. I do not find life sanctimonious.
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I've had that experience from the religious side. And I'm sorry if this offends you, but you usually don't know what's in the Bible, and you don't understand that a good portion of atheists were religious at one point. Reading the Bible is one of the things that made me an atheist. I love listening to you guys and picking your brain. I love to learn. But I grow tired of circular reasoning and insults.
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Pro-choice.
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Thats because your ignorant and know nothing about them. I see monogamous relationships as self-serving and possessive. Would you describe them that way?
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@halla6973 Being in an open relationship is not necessarily being in a polyamorous relationship. I'm in a polyamorous, but closed, relationship.
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Yes, humans are animals. Facts don't care about your feelings. Also, God has yet to be proven to exist.
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Plants don't and can't feel pain. They have no nervous system.
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Not for private sales in most states.
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They could if more people went vegan. Supply and demand.
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While some vegans are extreme, the vast majority are not like that. Being vegan is healthy and sustainable. But, being vegan also isn't for everyone. While it may not be for you, advertising that it is unhealthy for everyone is a lie. Meat did the same thing to me that a vegan diet did to you. It gave me horrible digestive problems, raised my cholesterol and my blood pressure, and caused blood clots. Meat, for my specific body, is terrible. Do not go around claiming veganism is a cult. Its not. Its simply a lifestyle choice. "Truthfully there are more positives than negatives." Not true for most people. In fact, I could make the same arguement for consuming meat.
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Hypothetically, in an ethical vegans world, we would also stop domesticating animals.
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@Relax4now Well no. Because if we stopped domesticating them, they would naturally be born and die at steady rates. We force breed them through domestication. Thats why we have so many
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@Relax4now I don't have anything against eating meat. But some people have a problem with the animal hierarchy.
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Yeah okay. No you wouldn't. If your puppy and a stranger were both drowning and you could only save one, you'd save your pet. Don't be dishonest.
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That is not a fact. I am not an arrogant vegan. I don't know what you're talking about with the farming. Most of the crops harvested go to animal feed for livestock, not human consumption.
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So...your vegan and have never stepped on a bug or killed a pest like a mouse?
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I mean, she's technically right. But for the wrong reason.
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IssyFishyy Perfect for who exactly? Because this universe certainly isn't perfect. We have the possibility of living in less than 1% of it.
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IssyFishyy Why does there have to be a what?
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Then you get organic produce.
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Except, drunk or not, we're not the top of the food chain.
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The unborn fetus has no choice. It has no sentience nor rights. Period. A woman absolutely should have the right over what is going on with her uterus. Whether that be cysts, a tumor, a fetus, or what happens during childbirth. A woman should not be allowed to pressure others into doing something with themselves. This includes forced or pressured abortions and forced or pressured birth.
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No, life in prison isn't what crowds prison. Housing non-violent offenders and those with minor charges are what crowds prisons. Also, you understand that we spend way more money on execution than we do on a lifer, correct?
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all pizzas are beautiful Most people have an abortion because they realize they can not take care of a child.
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Except she did know what an atheist meant. The old man didn't though.
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Do you...actually think those emotions are only felt by humans? Because they're not.
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IssyFishyy Animals aren't actually just ruled by instinct. Though not all animals are the same levels of complexity, animals do feel emotions just like humans do.
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IssyFishyy hey look. We can agree on things.
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Because people know who Bob actually is, and that he lost his medical license for issuing false documentation concerning vaccines. His language was tempered here because he was on license probation at the time.
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@b.1162 It has no bodily autonomy until after birth, so that point is irrelevant.
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Not supporting a useless, expensive system doesn't mean you're naive.
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Depends on where and who you buy it from.
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@pilot6563 Why are you people so mad for us calling it what it is? I don't care what the reason is for abortion. The only people who lose sleep over it is you people. By the way, if your not against abortion for medical reasons, you aren't pro-life by definition. You're still pro-choice. And I know MANY people who are against abortion in ANY circumstance.
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@pilot6563 You know what else is wrong? Being content with watching innocent children be abused and neglected by unfit parents and a broken state. No one argues abortion shouldn't happen. The argument is should abortion be accessible to women who feel like there is no other option? Abortion is not convenient. Its not covered by insurance, and many people demonize you for it. Some of us feel it is a necessary evil, because we have experienced or seen the result of pregnancies when abortion wasn't allowed. Again, if you accept abortion in ANY CIRCUMSTANCE, you are not pro-life. You are pro-choice. You don't get to change the definition of words to suit your narrative. Also, are you for or against assisted suicide for the terminally ill? Because pro-life isn't.
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@pilot6563 Its not that it isn't human life. Its that human life is not inherently valuable. Get over it. If you care so much about ending abortion, attack the problems that cause it to occur in the first place. The people you mentioned were all sentient humans who had their own legal rights. A fetus is not.
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@pilot6563 Those people are the only pro-life people by definition.
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@pilot6563 You'll continue to also neglect the innocent lives you allow to be born, because you don't give a fuck after that. Once their born, your done. "Money being used to fund abortions" Sorry my friend, but thats against the federal law. Your taxdollars are not funding abortions. I'm glad you feel that way, but that doesn't change the fact that as of right now, we need abortion. Yes, I expect you to understand the other side, but I also expect you to be honest with your words. If you are willing to make exceptions for abortion, you are not pro-life by definition. That doesn't mean you can't be against abortion. Pro choice stands for allowing women to have their own say in whats done with their bodies, includin adoption, motherhood or abortion.
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@pilot6563 Ha. No they aren't. I've researched it plenty. You're not interested once its born. You're not interested in raising taxes to help fund centers. You're not interested in helping women have access to neo natal care. Most of you don't even believe in contraception. Stop bullshiting.
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That is not entirely true. You are correct in saying you aren't allowed to purchase a gun without a background check from a shop, or anyone that holds an FFL. But gun show vendors are not always dealers, and there is no law mandating that you must be a dealer to sell at a show. Registered gun shows do not only consist of FFL dealers. That is a flat out lie. Private sellers, in most states, do not have to perform any background check to legally sell the gun. They would only need a valid ID that you a resident in the state in which you are purchasing the firearm. You are also incorrect about conceal carry. Currently, 31 states are open carry. You need no license or permit. It looks really bad on you when you try to "balance the argument factually" when most of what you said is incorrect.
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Its just not, and to claim it is is a flat out lie. Typical of pro-lifers.
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Life in prison is not a second chance.
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@karinhonma4384 People who are sentenced to life in prison do not get released.
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@karinhonma4384 Perhaps they do deserve death. But that is a subjective opinion. That has no basis in lawmaking.
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I'm a parent and pro-choice. In fact, most parents are pro-choice. The Hyde amendment prevents anyone from having their tax money fund abortions.
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No, abortion is not murder. It does not fit the established definition of murder.
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@person7340 Except murder is a word that does not have multiple definitions except for people who like to make it up. Murder is only a legal term. It has no other meaning. Killing would be an accurate term, but killing doesn't always equate to murder.
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@person7340 That is not a definition recognized by any professional. Its like people who changed the word "literally" to mean the exact opposite of what the word means. The way people use the English language now is sad.
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@person7340 You provided a defintion that anyone can post because it fits with their opinion. The word "murder" only has ONE established definition, and it is a legal one. "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." Regardless of any other definitions you want to randomly make up, this is the only established one. Murder has no meaning outside of law, because its a LEGAL TERM.
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@person7340 You provided a citation from a dictionary anyone can edit. Thats like using urban dictionary as a source. It doesn't have a non-legal definition. Killing does. Murder doesn't. Anyone can post on yourdictionary just like anyone can post on urban dictionary. Go into an actual copy of a paperback dictionary and find me a non-legal definition of the term murder. It doesn't exist. I won't concede a point that isn't true.
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Private party sales are entirely legal in a majority of states.
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@nickb1156 But that's still medically inaccurate to a degree. That body needs time to develep independently...by being dependant.
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@nickb1156 Not biologically they aren't. I'm dependant on no one but myself. I don't have to use another person to sustain me.
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@nickb1156 When did I say it wasn't human?
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@nickb1156 Because you tried to say that it was a distinct body than that of the mothers. And that is not medically true. The body only develops by the use of a uterus, and that requires consent.
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I don't find polyamory chaotic at all.
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@MiraiMemento Its not chaotic if you do not make it that way.
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@MiraiMemento No. In fact, I have a more longterm and stable relationship than most monogamous people I know. What works for me may not work for you.
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@MiraiMemento I go atound replying so that people can see the other side of things. You can disagree with polyamory for yourself, but the ignorant and nasty things people say are unjustified. I simply try to show them that it does work. There is no objectivity to be had. How one chooses to live ones life is subjective.
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@MiraiMemento That wasn't the impression I got from your original comment, especially with you adding the last bit to it, so I apologize if your particular comment got misunderstood. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. Thats not the point of debate. When people say things like "polyamory is cheating" or "polyamorous people are unloyal whores" that is ignorance.
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Thats called the no true scotsman fallacy.
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@trevorrogers9276 Christian: a person who has received Christian baptism or is a believer in Christianity. If you believe in the Christian God and Jesus, you are a Christian by definition.
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@trevorrogers9276 Atheists lack a belief in a God, so they can't be Christians. Anyone who believes in the God od the Bible and the story of Jesus is a Christian.
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@neno539 Way to show your confirmation bias
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@trevorrogers9276 My point is to argue that someone is a "true Christian" is a fallacy. They are all Christians.
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@trevorrogers9276 You must believe in the Christian God of the Bible to be a Christian by definition. My point is all you need to be a Christian is belief in the Christian God and the story of Jesus. All 3 people fall into that category, so only saying the old man is a Christian is the no true scotsman fallacy. Also, you don't have to believe the Bible is true. Many Christians I know take most of the Bible metaphorically. They are still Christians.
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Because there are plenty of children waiting on adoption now.
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Robert Andrews Abortion is in most cases a last resort.
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Because thats not how any justice system should work.
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@reasonablemagic So is yours. Laws should be practical.
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@reasonablemagic The valid reason would be where is the line drawn? Should a soldier be executed for killing innocent people to stop a criminal? Your original question is a slippery slope fallacy.
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Mmm no. You're factually wrong. We can easily prove through brain scans the feeling of "love" and how it can be felt romantically for multiple people. And what about polyamorous people, like myself, who are asexual?
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Thats called "using tempered language to avoid backlash and consequences". You can easily find these people's real stances on the Internet. Bob lost his medical license for this.
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You clearly misunderstood what he meant. He wasn't talking that literally. The problem with us is we TREAT all murders like psychopaths and people are mentally ill. And they're not. Our justice system doesn't focus on rehabilitation like it should.
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To be fair, most pro-gun people do as well. I have had so many arguments with other pro-gun people telling me you cannot buy a gun at a show without a background check.
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Cheating: violation of a couple's assumed or stated contract regarding emotional and/or sexual exclusivity. Can you cheat in a polyamorous relationship? Yes. Does being in a polyamorous relationship mean your cheating? No. Fuck you. Polyamory is about being open and in love with more than one person. I love my partners just as much as monogamous people do. I just have love for more than one. Guess what? Most people who are actually cheaters are monogamous. Know why? Because humans aren't inherently monogamous. You can be happy being monogamous and I'm happy being polyamorous. What's insulting is your ignorance.
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@SarahSarah-hp7sm But thats the thing. The action DOESN'T hurt. It may hurt YOU, but you speak for no one else. No one stabs anyone in the back in a polyamorous relationship, unless of course, you cheat.
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Thats because Autism is a spectrum and we have more research on it now. Has nothing to do with vaccines.
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I'm all of those things, but no rational vegan is against people eating meat. They just explain why they don't. I can explain why, both physically and morally, I am vegan. But that doesn't mean I have anything against you eating meat. I don't know why you brought atheist and pro-choice up. You can be a moral person and be both those things.
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They can. Sign away your parental rights then.
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@stevewhite2627 If he's considered that in the court of public opinion, so what? Shouldn't have had sex with a woman he wasn't committed too. A man can say no just as much as a woman can. And no. If you sign away your parental rights, you do not have to legally pay child support, because your role as father is severed. You will, however, not be able to gain any privileges anymore (such as taxes, insurance deductions etc.)
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@stevewhite2627 You do not have to pay child support if you sign away your rights. You are relinquishing your responsibilities at that point. Also, she probably should have taken precautions. The reason for abortion however has to do with a woman's constitutional right to liberty.
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@stevewhite2627 Not if you sign your rights away. You seriously have no idea how US law works, do you?
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@stevewhite2627 Well men can't have the right to abort (barring transgendered men) because they don't have a uterus. And yes, I do. Since its my job.
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@stevewhite2627 No they don't. They are not under any legal obligation to carry that child should they not want to. Go to the court and dissolve your parental rights.
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Killastrike No. I don't believe in God, but don't deny one might exist. I'm an agnostic atheist.
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Except its not needed. And it very well could be abolished. It offers no benefit.
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They aren't arguing for informed consent. They are arguing that vaccines should not be used period until they are 100% safe. That's extremely dangerous.
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@braceyourselvesfortruth2492 The problem with that is the most informed consent people aren't against vaccines. The facts don't agree with people.who would choose not to be vaccinated
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The federal law exempts private sellers from background checks. It's called the "gun show loophole".
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No it wouldn't. You are under no legal obligation to help anyone who needs immediate help. Thats called the Bystander law. In fact, if you do help them, and something goes wrong, you can potentially be sued or brought up on criminal charges.
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In general, it is.
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@LongdownConker That is simply not true. I take no supplements. Other than B12, which can be added to things like rice milk, there is no nutrient you cannot get in a vegan diet. We can be omnivores. But we are not obligate omnivores. We don't HAVE to eat meat. Meat, especially processed and red meat, is bad for the heart, kidneys, and blood. I don't know where you are getting your information that you must have artificial help or supplements to have a vegan diet. Sorry, but medicine and science do not support you. Now, not all people can be healthy on a vegan diet and no one should have to be vegan if they don't want you. But you eat meat because you want to. Not because you must.
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@LongdownConker I don't take a B12 supplement. Can you not read? Where did I ever say that? I drink milk that is fortified with B12. I bet even as a meat eater you eat fortified foods. We are NOT obligate omnivores. We don't NEED meat. I understand that in the wild or a 3rd world country, I would have to eat meat. But I don't. You do not need supplements for those things. You can get plenty of those nutrients in vegan foods. Its called complementary. Taking different foods and pairing them together. You are the one spreading lies saying you cannot be healthy on a vegan diet without supplements. That is simply not true. I see a doctor LESS than I EVER did on a meat based diet.
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@LongdownConker And medicine disagrees. You are less prone to most cancers, heart disease, high blood pressure and stroke on a plant based diet than you are eating meat.
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That's the whole problem. You should have empathy for everyone involved. Most criminals are victims in their own right. That's not an excuse, but it's not backwards to think that way.
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Thats a felony. I hope you know this.
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You do realize there are no laws preventing them from doing that anyway right? A man can walk into a woman's bathroom if he so wishes and vice versa. Regardless of gender, people who want to rape will rape.
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D&C's are often performed after an abortion as well. Or the mother is induced into labor and then can choose what she does with the fetus. I know several families who have kept the remains of the children they aborted. Most abortions are not performed surgically.
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@meganhamilton6211 The problem is outlawing abortions will group miscarriages with abortions. You can force your body to miscarry.
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The gun show loophole DOES exist in most states. In 35 states, there is no law requiring a background check on private purchase. My first gun was purchased in a bar parking lot.
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If you have an abortion done via pill, which is how most are done, there are medications you can take that may be able to reverse the effects of the pill and allow you to keep the fetus.
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Yeah, it won't be when you miss or a motherfucker gets back up.
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Yes. You. Can. Depending. On. Where. And. Who. You. Buy. It. From. When will people, pro or anti gun, understand the difference between conventional and private sales? Learn the law before you make a comment.
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@friskyrick4008 Its not though. There is no mandatory background check on private sales. All 3 of my guns were purchased privately and legally and I have never had a background check. Know why? Because its not required.
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No. We don't understand how someone can be so far out of touch with reality and science that they would advocate for the potential harm of children.
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But its not pro-death. Because death isn't the first, nor only option, when you are pro-choice.
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Lizzie Allen That isn't true and you know it.
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Lizzie Allen Well, they're right. Contraception isn't foolproof and adoption is horribly broken. But usually, they say that to the people who believe they should be jailed for wanting an abortion. I'm sure not all people are like that, but the vast majority are.
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And some of them are not available or can't be accessed by large sections of the population. If I want birth control, I have to pay out of pocket to see a medical professional, then pay for a prescription.
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Some agnostics do. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. Anyone who is honest is agnostic.
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@cwj_721 I'm well aware of that. Just as the beliefs of atheism aren't always synonymous with atheism. Us being atheists just tells people we don't believe in God. Nothing more.
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That sounds like projection. I am way happier as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian.
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@katvelvata6431 Nope. I just didn't sugarcoat the Bible and pick and choose pieces.
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Abortion is an enshrined right to bodily autonomy outlined in the Constitution. Just "choosing" not to vaccinate is a public health hazard. These are not comparable at all.
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Lizzie Allen You don't have a religion if you're an atheist.
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@amayatheeyapper Has nothing to being a victim. Its simply a matter of bodily autonomy.
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@amayatheeyapper No, its nothing like that at all. Pregnancy is something that happens entirely seperate of the act of sex. Abortion is taking personal responsibility, just as parenthood or adoption is. Sex is for pleasure. Its only for pregnancy if you're actively trying to get pregnant.
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Except most abortions do not happen that way. Only late term abortions are done like that, and they are done almost exclusively for medical reasons. And considering pro-life also means being against someone's right to die, no. I still wouldn't be pro-life.
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@tiffany7023 No actually. They are still incorrect. Most abortions are done via a pill and the woman is then given a D&C, just as she would if she had miscarried. Late term abortions are nearly exclusively done for medical reasons, because that is the law. And no. Thats not what those laws say. You can abort it only if it has a medical defect, or if the mother develops birth complications. I suggest actually reading what those laws say.
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H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e
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Pro-choice =/= Pro-Abortion Pro-Mindyourownfuckingbusiness > Pro-Hypocrisy
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How do you know he was guilty? Courts can and have been wrong. This is why vigilantism is a bad idea. People will find a way to justify it.
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There aren't credible doctors who are anti-vax. There are credible doctors who think it should a personal decision and that vaccines carry risks. Also no. It hasn't been debunked. If anything, uts been corroborated.
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@qwertyasf I would like evidence of that. There are plenty of doctos speaking out against vaccine mandates or even vaccine doses. I do not know a single doctor that speaks out against vaccines completely, because they know vaccines help. Yeah, as they should. When you lie and spread misinformation, you shouldn't have a license to practice medicine. There is nothing to debate. Vaccines help. They save lives.
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I don't know any atheist that believes in objective morality, because morality isn't objective. By the way, even in your scenario, its still subjective. Because it's God's opinion. You can argue that its the highest opinion, but its still an opinion. You can have subjective morality (or moral relativism) and use that towards an objective goal.
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Why though?
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@yourboykaster I don't believe human life has inherent value.
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And we absolutely have that right to form an opinion on something or someone based on their actions
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Dogs and cats can be trained to protect anyone. They aren't protecting you because your pregnant. They're protecting you because they have a bond with you. No one murders a baby during an abortion. Stop lying and/or being willfully ignorant. If its not my body, then removing it from my uterus shouldn't be an issue. Oh wait...
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Depends on who you're buying from and where. It was a lot easier to get a gun for me at a show. No background check or bill of sale. Just a state issued ID. Took me 45 minutes.
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While I certainly disagree with "anyone can be rehabilitated" most murderers actually can be. Most murders are 2nd degree.
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That depends entirely on what speciality you choose. But every physician has mandatory general studies. I'm not on a traditional medicine path, and I took a whole semester on immunology and general nutrition. Tldr; You have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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TEAM S And? I'm pro choice and my mother tried to abort me. I think that was her right. There's an issue when you have hundreds of kids who say everyday "I wish I had been aborted"
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@Still_awake19 This is entirely dependent on where you live. Most gun shows in my state are not run by dealers. They are run by private citizens, and therefore require no background check. Perhaps this is why she believes this lie.
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@theneutralguy2317 Most abortions are not performed surgically, so that argument is dishonest.
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@theneutralguy2317 Do you? Most abortions are done via a medication and a DNC. Surgical abortions are exclusively performed for late pregnancies on a deceased fetus, or late term abortions, exclusively done legally for medical necessity.
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@theneutralguy2317 Late term abortions are nearly exclusively done for medical reasons. Those, I support. A DNC removes fetal tissue yes. Its the same procedure performed for a miscarriage.
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@purplepurplepurple2162 Except its not.
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@gingersperg Actually, no it doesn't. The cost of one inmate on death row is nearly twice that of an inmate in the actual prison. Its a well known fact that a death penalty conviction costs more by the time the convict is executed than they would have if you had kept them in prison for their natural life.
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Some vegans are because they believe they are morally superior. Most of us, however, are not like that.
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Boo Bugaboo So your an atheist. An agnostic atheist. Agnosticism is not a stand alone claim. If you don't know, but you don't believe in God, you're an agnostic atheist.
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No one is pro-abortion. And some of us didn't want to be born. My mother tried to abort me. Twice.
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An atheist is simply someone who doesn't believe in a higher power. It is not someone who asserts that a God doesn't or cannot exist. Thats an anti-theist. Agnostic is just a term to describe the understanding that the existence of a God cannot be known. Everyone should be agnostic. She got annoyed because atheist and agnostic are not mutually exclusive terms. She is an agnostic, but she's also an atheist. Telling her she wasn't is incorrect.
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A person or a human? Its always human. It becomes a person, by definition, when it meets the criteria. There's legal personhood and theres philosophical personhood. Legal would be after birth. I would say philosophically after sentience is achieved (around 14-15 weeks)
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Not true. If you need supplements, you're not doing the diet right and shouldn't be vegan. I've been vegan for 7 years and take no supplements.
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The question shouldn't be life. It's silly to say life doesnt begin at conception. Because it does. But its not about life. It should be about sentience. Sentience should be the deciding factor in abortion. Not life.
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Their skin is not yellow. Something's seriously wrong with your computer if you're seeing jaundice.
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@palomoarredondo2323 As someone who has worked in the medical field for several years, no its not there. And even if it was, that doesn't equate to being vegan. Could be a number of other reasons.
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@palomoarredondo2323 A "slight yellow" could be a multitude of things. Vein structure, undertone, lighting, the camera refraction, etc. No where does any of their skin look jaundiced. Oh, and by the way, if it was a B12 deficiency, their skin wouldn't be yellow. It would be a pale gray. You don't like veganism or the way these vegans were acting, so you are perpetuating the sterotype that veganism is unhealthy.
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@palomoarredondo2323 None of which they have. Their eyes are clear. Your seeing things that are not there. And even if I granted you early onset jaundice, there is no way you would see that on a youtube video with lighting like that. Yellowing of the skin or eyes could also be caused by a mulititude of other problems including hepatitis, sun damage, smoking, or reactions to certain cosmetics or medication. Your jumping to "liver failure caused by vitamin problems because veganism is unhealthy". And you're wrong.
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@palomoarredondo2323 No, they don't. And to continue to claim that proves you've never see what jaundice looks like in person. They're in a darkened warehouse with one overhanging low wattage bulb and barely any natural light. You are full of it. You didn't even know what jaundice was until I mentioned it. By the way, what makes you think they're white? Just because they look it? I'm not a doctor in a traditional sense. I don't work in a hospital. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, but I'm not.
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@palomoarredondo2323 Smoking and diabetes don't necessarily translate to jaundice. Jaundice is specifically yellowing of the skin or eyes cause by the breakdown of red blood cells in the liver. I work as a forensic pathologist. And again, dim lighting by low wattage bulbs often give those who have naturally yellow undertones a yellowish look. But in direct light, you can clearly see normal skin and clear eyes.
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@palomoarredondo2323 I never said that veganism can't cause jaundice. I have seen people die from improper veganism. That being said, I have also seen spikes in stomach ulcers and colorectal cancer from meat eating. My point wasn't that veganism can't be unhealthy, or that vegans can't have health problems. My point is that diagnosing vegans through a screen as having a medical condition is foolish. Also, none of your replies have any linked sources.
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@palomoarredondo2323 If I saw someone in real life with a nose issue, that would be different than seeing them on a computer screen. Blood is easy to see. Skin pigmentation is not. And by the way, there is no link. I literally went back a reread all of your comments.
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@nich5611 I love how pro-lifers have no idea what a fetal heartbeat is, so they conflate it with what a heartbeat of a fully formed person.
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Really hard for a genetic disease to be caused by anything other than you know...genetics.
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@river7591 I doubt it. There are generally people who believe this. If this was a joke, the OC would have responded.
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@philsteinberg6985 You know nothing about me. I can have liberal views on certain issues, but I'm not a liberal politically. And its funny you should say autism is only found in animals. Because you're right. It just happens to be that humans are animals.
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@philsteinberg6985 Once again, I'm not a liberal.
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Science is by no means objective or undisputeable fact. Thats one of the great things about science. Its ever changing. By the way, science is not "pro-life". Its a neutral conjection that can be used to oppose or defend both sides.
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@JP2GiannaT I personally think this discussion shouldn't happen and people should mind their own business. Even if I was against abortion, I couldn't be pro-life. Because i support euthanasia.
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@JP2GiannaT You can't be pro life if your pro-euthanisia. A fetus in most abortions is not sentient. It is incapable of choosing.
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@JP2GiannaT A mentally handicapped person is sentient, so no. Senteince matters to me, not life.
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It has been tested and proven. I would seriously do some research.
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@aria9615 Thats not my priority. Anything I show you, you will dismiss because you already have cognitive dissonance. The research is there if you want it. There's a reason why denying vaccines to a child is a felony if that child is harmed.
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Not really, though it really shouldn't be called a loophole.
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@trevorlaplant4155 As I said, I dont believe it should be called a loophole. There just is no requirements to purchase a gun other than a state issued ID on private sales in most states. Private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows. Of the 3 guns I own, I have never had a background check for any of them. My state does not put restrictions on private sales.
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@trevorlaplant4155 of course.
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Cool Beans Tell that to all the children who resent their parents for having them.
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Cool Beans I take no issue with suicide. I want to help them, but if they don't want to change, there's nothing I can do for them. No, I'm pretty sure they resent their parents. Considering I work in a juvenile hall where some the kids have put their parents in the hospital or in the cemetery.
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Cool Beans Their parents wouldn't have done what they did if they hadn't been guilted into not having an abortion. Yeah no shit. That's what happens when you give birth in an unhealthy environment.
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Cool Beans When that's what you grow up hearing from your parents, that's what you come to believe. They wouldn't have cared if they were aborted because they lacked the capability to care. Now they don't, and suffer because of it. My point is, not everyone wants life. And you should not force life on anyone, even if you believe they deserve it.
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Actually, most ethical/extreme vegans don't own, nor agree with owning, pets and believe animals should stop being domesticated to be pets.
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The problem is he wasn't correct. She is, in fact, an atheist. She's just as atheist who is also agnostic, as most atheists are.
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You have that backwards. Give me one non-emotional argument for capital punishment.
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Vegans don't fight against animals that have a nutritional need for meat. Humans are not one of those animals. There was a time where that was the case, and in some cases, it still is. But that is no longer the case for the majority.
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@fury19k28 Well, I wouldn't because I'm not an ethical vegan. But no. Because animals like wolves do not have a sense of morality like humans do. Also, all canines, both domestic and non, need meat in their diet. Its a necessity.
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@fury19k28 They do need meat, because they are carnivores. Their body cannot absorb plant based protein. Can I ask what you think kibble is made from?
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@fury19k28 Depends on what type of food you're feeding your dog. There are people that allow their dogs to hunt. Your point is invalid. The issue of ethics comes from "if you don't need it, why should an animal die for it". No vegan has a problem with species that NEED meat to survive. Ethical vegans have a problem with killing animals because of a WANT. You don't need meat anymore. You want it.
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@fury19k28 Again, I'm not an ethical vegan. I think you should be able to eat whatever you want. I choose to be vegan for health reasons
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@Abel Abel I am a vegan. I eat no animal products nor do I wear animal products. I just have chosen this life for health reasons.
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@Abel Abel The only definition of veganism is a person who abstains from animal products. My main motivation for becoming a vegan in the first place was dietary. Not ethical.
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@Abel Abel Yes, but I didn't say it was only for health reasons. Its mainly for health reasons. But if I can avoid killing animals by just avoiding material products, thats a plus. I don't feel screaming at someone about killing animals is a way to persuede people.
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Pain No one thinks abortion is okay. People just think you should have a right to abortion as an option. No, it's not murder and you clearly aren't intelligent enough to look up the definition of murder. Murder and killing are not interchangeable words. Congrats. Your friend was one of the lucky ones. How about the millions of children who aren't and will never be adopted? Guess what will happen to them when they turn 18? They'll be kicked out on the street with nothing. Adoption should be explored, and done if able. But some women can't afford to put the child up for adoption, nor can some adoption agencies take more children.
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Pain Considering you don't know the definition of murder and you wish to take away a persons rights, I highly doubt that. Also, I never used an ad hominem. I stated a fact. This is based in the United States. Therefore, abortion is not murder. Let's not call it something it isn't.
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Pain Well, I'm sorry then that in your country, your government doesnt understand science and doesn't care about people's rights. Raping and beating your wife was never a right. I will apologize for assuming you live in the United States. Once again, I never insulted you as a person, but I also apologize if you took it that way. No, I don't lack critical thinking skills. I think you should look at abortion from another perspective.
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Pain Yeah, we were kind of backwards in the whole gay marriage thing. But if your country truly outlaws abortion, then i stand by my original statement. A fetus is not a baby. That's just medically and scientifically inaccurate. No, it's not murder here. And I don't believe in stripping away a sentient beings rights to her body, for a non sentient developing parasite. The US is fucked up in some regards, but it doesn't lack morals. Morality is a subjective concept anyway. Again, a fetus is not a baby. I still think you live in a country that doesn't care about people's rights. Then again, so do I. You can claim it's the leader in progressive thinking, but that's just an opinion. And no, I assumed you were from the US. The reason why it's considered a double homicide is because fetus is usually almost to term and clearly the mother wanted it. The subject of abortion should not be a matter of life. It should be a matter of sentience.
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Pain Parasite: an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense. Guess what? A fetus fits that definition. It does absolutely nothing beneficial to the mother. It's physically attached to her uterus and living off of her nutrients. It doesn't even have a full body of it's own until the third trimester, well after the time for an abortion has passed. Yes, you should. If that person is not waking up, then to me, it's not living. This is why living wills are so important, so people know exactly what you want done with yourself in that situation. No, life itself has no intrinsic value. What you do with your life makes it valuable. Are you a vegan and anti death penalty? Pro choice doesn't take away anyone's rights. A fetus is not protected under the United States Constitution. You can call me evil, but I'm quite proud of what I've done with my life, including raising a good friend's sons for her because she couldn't. I don't personally believe it should be a double homicide unless the fetus was sentient, usually 15 weeks or older when it has a brainstem and nerve receptors.
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The point, in my opinion, of being vegan is to try it if you can. If you can't, that's okay. Do what's right for you.
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So was that Mcdonalds you had for lunch.
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Oh really? Then how about the countless verses where God orders the killing of the unborn? Sounds like you didn't read your Bible either.
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The insert you can ask for any time you get a vaccine tells you EXACTLY whats in it.
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I'm a vegan and do not agree with the vegans, but I do not value human life above animal life. Personally, I just don't believe life is intrinsically valuable. But thats just me.
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No one is born with sin. Sin is a term that only has meaning to the religious.
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@1StepForwardToday Nothing wrong with being self centered. Its how we survived.
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That is a downright disgusting assumption.
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Yes you can. In over 75% of the country.
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No, he's not right. She doesn't believe in any Gods, therefore she is an atheist. She also said she can't say if any Gods exist, so she's agnostic. She's both. As most are. The old man was wrong.
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Yes, but what does that have to do with veganism?
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@parthenon5106 Pro-life are people who think abortion and euthanasia are inherently wrong. Pro-choice people think people should have a right to do with themselves as they will as long as they stay within the law regarding abortion and euthanasia.
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@parthenon5106 I hate to break it to you, but you clearly failed biology. That fetus is attached to you, developing its body by parasitizing you. Thats not inherently a bad thing if you can care for it. By the way, pro-life people don't value the way someone lives their life or the right for a person to die.
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@parthenon5106 Those appendages do not form until well after most abortions take place, so thats not relevant. A fetus is attached and biologically dependent on you body for a time. If you die, it dies. I am sorry the education system has failed you. But you have to. As its part of the definition. If you support the right to die, you aren't pro-life.
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@parthenon5106 You can't be wrong about moral subjectivity honey. Go back to school
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@parthenon5106 For 45 minutes? Because I was in class finishing a final. Problem?
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@parthenon5106 I have responded to ever single message I have received from you. If you got no reponse from me, then I didn't get a response from you. The last message you sent in this thread was a little over an hour ago.
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@parthenon5106 I answered that comment 9 hours ago. I advise you scroll up and learn to read.
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@parthenon5106 I didn't lie about anything
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@parthenon5106 I did. Twice. I'd be more than happy to send you screenshots of the posts.
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@parthenon5106 As I said. I would be more than happy to send you screenshots. I see them just fine. Here were the two posts: I am telling you a fetus is BIOLOGICALLY DEPENDANT on a woman's body. It is ATTACHED to her and develops its OWN body by parasitizing her. You've stated in multiple other comments that you are pro-life.
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@parthenon5106 There. Edited
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@parthenon5106 I literally just copied and pasted what I had written in a comment earlier. And you're simply wrong. The fetus is ATTACHED to the woman's body and is DEVELOPING a seperate from by STEALING nutrients from the mother. You're either pro life or your pro choice. Which is it?
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@parthenon5106 Once again, its not a lie. Either you can't read and refuse to see it or YouTube won't allow you too. Like I said, I would be more than happy to provide screenshots. Because you continue to claim that a fetus is independent from the mother. Its not. Even late term, its not. Stop being intellectually dishonest. You cannot be both. You either believe abortion and euthanasia should be illegal in all circumstances or you believe people have a choice. I see the effects every day of what happens to unwanted children that are forced to be born to unfit mothers. Perhaps if you heard children screaming every day "I wish I had been aborted", you'd gain a different perspective.
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@parthenon5106 Stop saying I'm lying when I've said multiple times I'd be willing to send you evidence that I did indeed answer you. Sorry YouTube isn't giving you the notifications.
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@parthenon5106 Literally comment to any other person, and they will tell you. I can see the comments you claim you cannot see that I posted a week ago just fine. I suspect it is you who is lying, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. By the way, I have yet to give you that evidence. If you have a discord or skype, I will send you a screenshot of the comments you say I never posted from a week ago.
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@parthenon5106 Then do not call me a liar. Period.
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@parthenon5106 Never once did I lie
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Yes it is, because its a fact that we're not.
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Because abortion is taking responsibility. Its realizing you cannot care for a child and opting to terminate it as opposed to raise it in a less than ideal environment.
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Because you are committed in a poly relationship. Just to more than one partner. I have both a husband and a boyfriend, but that doesn't give me free reign to go and be with anyone. All parties must consent.
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@laverdadbuscador Its not. Not all polyamorous people are in open relationships. In fact, no one I know is. This woman sounds less polyamours and more open, which are not the same thing.
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In some instances there aren't.
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IssyFishyy Wrong to you perhaps. That isn't even the general consensus amongst the majority.
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IssyFishyy Morality has never and will never be objective. You can use subjective morality to work toward an objective moral framework for a society (such as a specific religion or secular humanism) but that morality is still subjective. How can you prove it isn't right? What objectively tells you its wrong? Nothing.
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Not having gun crime does not equate to having no crime.
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If you live in a first world country, its not that hard to compliment. Hell, I live a healthy vegan lifestyle on food stamps. In terms of ethical vegans, the issue comes because predators need meat nutritionally. Humans do not. They believe humans also should have a sense of morality, and don't like the animal hierarchy hypocrisy.
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Ben Shapiro is a lying vindictive moron who doesn't know what the hell he's talking about most of the time.
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Noa Williams I look as people who are religious are so because of a fear of death. They're afraid that there is no afterlife and their whole life, in reality, only means something while alive. I'm an atheist, and I don't fear death. No one knows what happens after death. If your God turns out to be the wrong God, Christians are screwed as well.
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Noa Williams So am I. I don't need a God to be hopeful. I just hope you aren't disappointed if you're wrong. What I meant by that is a lot of Christians use a fallacy called Pascal's Wager to try and convert people. Basically "You've got nothing to lose. If you're right, there's nothing but if you're wrong, you're damned." Well, if the Christian God is the wrong God, you're damned right along with me. That's why I said Christians would be screwed if their God was wrong.
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Noa Williams That's fine. I still think if God is loving, then I'll get into heaven even though I don't believe in him
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Noa Williams And that's fine. He isn't loving if Hell exists.
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"Atheists don't understand the word and take it literally" So do many denominations of Christianity. How are you so sure the Bible isn't meant to be taken literally? Most atheists know more about the Bible than Christians. Reading the Bible made me an atheist. Funny how you talk about judgement, as its usually the Christian whos judging.
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@thanamesny7807 But it is.
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That's not truth. Thats just your belief.
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What morals exactly? Some people get their morals from the Bible, but I certainly do not. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence for one. The Earth formed over billions of years. Nature formed over billions of years. Evoultion gave us our diverse plants and animal species. Umm...they don't. As far as the Universe, I don't know how it started. I don't know if it had a beginning at all. And that's the grwat thing. I'm perfectly comfortable saying I don't know. Why aren't you? Sure, have your beliefs. But why is it so bad not to know? It doesn't have to be random. And random doesn't guarantee it'll ever turn up heads. I could randomly flip a coin three times and have three tails. We have found plenty of planets similar to Earth. In fact, we have a whole galaxy of earth-like planets called the Goldielocks zone. We evolved based on what was conditional for life, and we have found plants, water and unicellar life on other planets. Again, random DOESN'T demand that. I don't believe in God because at this time, there is a lack of evidence.
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Who knew morality was so subjective? What a huge shock...
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The man was stating an incorrect definition. The word agnostic is redundant. Everyone should be agnostic. He was being an asshole who called that woman agnostic when he doesn't know what it means and told her she wasn't an atheist
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So what if they happen in rare situations? They still occur. And yes, it is still my body. The fetus is a non-sentient parasite stealing vital nutrients from me until it develops enough to support itself biologically. So until that time, it is entirely my choice what to do with it.
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@annon3485 a fetus is a parasite for a time. I didnt say that was necessarily a bad thing. Also no. It has started to develop the nerve receptors that will become its CNS, but has not yet developed a brainstem needed to register pain. That does not develop until between 10 and 12 weeks. Go ahead and stop responding. Most people do. It is not my fault that you cant be bothered to take a biology or anatomy class.
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But we do. Because you not being vaccinated poses mutation risks that no one is protected from. This is what has happened with the corona virus. Its a mutation. You may have a naturally stronger immune system, even more than someone who is vaccinated. You may just simply be more asymptomatic. One of the reasons your able to live as long as you do is thanks to vaccines. Its not foreign. Its a dead piece of the virus.
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@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 There is. Both the common cold and the flu are types of coronavirus. This is a new mutated strain we haven't seen before.
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@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 I didn't say COVID-19 was a mutated cold. I literally said it was a mutated strain of a coronavirus
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@memeswereablessingfromthel3942 No, its okay. I understand.
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And you know that how? Most murders are 2nd degree, not 1st.
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@Xaelium That doesn't mean we need a death penalty. Most murderers are victims themselves, and while it certainly doesn't excuse them, most do desire to change.
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Brandy B That is a bold faced lie. Pro choicers try to encourage everything before abortion.
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But by saying that, you are elevating a right to life above a right to liberty of one's body. By that logic, people should be FORCED to donate blood and organs, even at costs to them.
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@alanbourbeau24 And you also wouldn't have cared.
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You do realize that the reason most trees are cut down is to support a meat eater lifestyle right? To build livestock farms? I don't care what you eat, I'm just pointing out the issue in your argument.
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Then don't pay taxes. I don't want my taxes to increase because you want to enact revenge on someone, since it costs way more to execute someone.
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@joshflores6605 I wonder why they get unlimited appeals. Probably to avoide putting innocent people to death.
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@joshflores6605 I never said they are all innocent. I am a forensic investigator. This is what I do for a living. The bottom line is there are innocent people on death row. Yes, sometimes the jutice system fails. But this is why we have life in prison. There is no reason to put them to death.
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bandoned_ boy Then you're an idiot who cannot be reasoned with. Most abortions occur with a woman on her first pregnancy and her first sexual experience. Yes, some women will abort simply because they don't want it. That is a slim minority. A majority of women do not have the emotional, financial or physical capability of handling a new life, because they struggle just managing themselves.
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bandoned_ boy Considering that some men can't use condoms and some women can't take the pill, you proved my original argument.
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Well no...they're carnivorous. They need meat nutritionally. You don't.
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Humans are not predators. We don't naturally hunt for survival. We raise our own food through domestication. That's the first problem with your argument. Secondly, you (as a human) should have a higher moral compass than an animal. Why is it okay to slaughter a cow or a pig, but slaughtering a dog for food will land you 15 years in prison? And the biggest issue is that a lion needs meat from a nutritional standpoint in order to survive. Humans do not. And also, nearly all omnivorous or carnivorous animal species will eat their own kind. Cats especially are known to eat their offspring. By the way, I'm not criticizing what you eat. You be happy and healthy. Your points are just easily refuted.
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@susansanborn5686 There's nothing wrong with my grammar and I apologize that my phone takes out apostrophes. By the way, don't insult someone's grammar and punctuation when you don't follow through. A fetus is an underdeveloped unborn child. So what? It isn't sentient, and that is the issue.
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Not if the show you are going to has private vendors in most states. I've never had a background check at a show, but that's because the sales were private.
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@elijahbrewer1820 No. Its actually quite common to find private sellers at shows. Just depends on who you buy from.
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No, but thats because certain animals have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not. At least not the majority.
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Jay P You do not have to supplement to be vegan. That is an absolute lie. Being vegan is certainly less convenient and is certainly harder to plan because it relys on complimenting. There is nothing in meat that cannot be found in a vegan diet aside from B12, which can be fortified in milk. So no. You don't need meat in general. And you don't need supplements.
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Thats because everyone who is honest is agnostic. But he was wrong in the sense that she is also an atheist.
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Sky's the limit And I agree with that. But once again, that doesn't mean abortion shouldn't be a last resort option.
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You do know most polyamorous don't "jump" to relationships right? They have multiple relationships at once. No one is bashing monogamy. If anyone is being "bashed", its those who are polyamorous.
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@categories5066 Studying of what? Sure, you can look at t Archeology to find some facts about religion, but that's not proof of a God. He's just spouting his beliefs as facts
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I could find no sources from your claims other than religious websites who do not let unbiased archaeologists see their findings. Also, Pompeii and Herculaneum are full of sulfuric ash and parts of the cities no longer exist. There's a perfect geological explanation for that
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Well...you can very easily buy a gun if its a private sale in 38 states. Takes like 15 minutes. Maybe thats specifically what she was referring too?
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They're not talking about a store. They're talking about a gun show. Depending on who you are buying it from depends on whether a background check is required by law.
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The education system has failed you.
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@journeyfortwo5211 You educate yourself. Learn what murder is and the difference between killing and murder.
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The problem is the responsibility of having sex and the responsibility of raising a child are NOT equal and CANNOT be treated as such. Telling someone not to have sex doesn't work. Your body WANTS sex. It's a way for your body to stay HEALTHY. Yes, you should take precautions. Yes, you should try to stay abstinent if you can. But that is not always done. A fetus cannot make a choice. It LACKS the capability to do so. If that fetus is biologically dependant on me for survival, then it is MY choice what happens to it until it is no longer biologically dependent on me. We already do. You aren't treating the cause by doing that. But you don't want to pay more in tax dollars to go to fund parenting classes, health care or neo natal care for mothers.
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No not necessarily. I am vegan mainly for health reasons, but I also abstain from wearing or using animal based products. I still debate from the stance of a dietary vegan, because arguing from ethics or morals rarely gets one anywhere.
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I do. I understand the ethical side as well, but I don't think being nasty is the way to go about informing people.
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@seabear2494 Not those its meant to deter. It only deters those who wouldn't have done it anyway, regardless of a death penalty.
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100% agree until the end statement. Private sellers sell at shows all the time, at least where I live. You don't have to have an FFL to pay for a booth at a show (though it is more expensive) and therefore do not need a background check. Still not a loophole, just personal experience.
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No, you only believe that God is real. Prove it.
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@whitegirl7233 He hasn't revealed himself to anyone. You are using a fallacy called argumentum ad populum. Just because millions of people believe it doesn't make it true. I was a Christian for well over 20 years. In fact, I lost my faith trying to prove God was real. "It can't exist without a builder". Says the person that believes the dead can come back to life. You have to demonstrate with evidence that were are, in fact, intelligently designed. You have yet to prove that. You also have yet to prove a soul exists. Prove to me we have a creator and then we can talk.
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@whitegirl7233 I never said there was no God. I don't know whether or not there is a God. I do not believe in one because there is 0 proof. No, I'll never wish I had. I cant lose as an atheist.
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If you have a B12 deficiency on a vegan diet, you're doing something wrong. And keto can be great for some, but has also raised atherosclerosis, heart disease, embolisms and colorectal cancer in others. I am so glad that we can have different diets and still understand that we can be healthy.
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You mean the man that had his medical license revoked? The seizures that can be caused by vaccines are one off. They are not continuous. Here's some more facts. The odds of developing measles when you're unvaccinated after coming into contact with a person who has it is 1 in about 6000. The odds of you developing encephalitis from measles is 1 in 450. The odds of dying from encephalitis is 1 in 25. This is why we have vaccines. So you do not develop DEADLY complications.
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Captain Hook Catholics are the largest sect of Christanity. If you wanted that, you would have to have a debate between 2 different sects, such as Catholic vs Protastant.
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So in other words: "secular humanism away from fundamentalist religion". Because the Bible, if taken literally, is cruel and does curse children.
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No, poly and mono are both about yourself and other people. If we really wanted "just ourselves" we wouldn't date at all. We'd just fuck and bounce.
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Someone doesn't know what the definition of murder is.
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Taking away guns will not stop gun violence. You will only prevent decent people from protecting themselves.
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@lindasmith7423 There is no country that has 0 gun violence. Its just greatly reduced. Your customs, crime rates and population are all different. If you don't live in the US, you have no say in our laws.
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@lindasmith7423 Once again, your culture, area, population, and criminal statistics are all different.
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Violence in general and mental issues go hand in hand.
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@Sileness Thats not what I said. I just said that violence is caused by mental illness. Not mental illness causes violence.
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And the fact it is that several of those countries are dictatorships, and the rest have numerous other reasons why they can't be compared. Here's another fun fact. The states with the most lax gun laws do not have mass shootings. Wonder why that is.
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@TheGreenerItGets then stabbed? Hell yeah. Less painful and more of a chance for survival
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@TheGreenerItGets Doesnt matter which gun.
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@TheGreenerItGets Have you actually ever been stabbed or shot?
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@TheGreenerItGets Then quit pretending like you know how either of them feel. As someone who's been both, being shot hurts WAY less
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@TheGreenerItGets Shotgun yes. And a handgun. And I've also been stabbed. The gunshot, for me, hurt a lot less and was easier to manage
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@TheGreenerItGets I dont personally know anyone who has owns an automatic weapon, let alone been shot and survived with an automatic weapon. And no, you didn't ask me that.
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@TheGreenerItGets Ahh I see it now. Well, based on my experiences with semi-automatics, and automatic would probably be fatal in a small amount of time. So I'd still take that over being stabbed, thrown acid at, or fire bombed.
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@TheGreenerItGets You assume getting stabbed wouldn't lead to death? This is my opinion, as a person who has been both. Gunshot wounds hurt a lot less and are easier to treat than stab wounds.
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@TheGreenerItGets Bullets dont always break apart. Depends on what exactly is shot. Because acid and fire bombings are happening in the safe UK with no guns
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Najiea Rice Because he tried to say his beliefs were facts and tries to tell other people what they were.
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Lizzie Allen Good thing abortion isn't murder then.
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And forcing an unfit mother to raise a child is responsible? What planet do you live on?
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@layneschweg Sex is a natural desire. I completely agree that precautions should be taken, but if they aren't and a pregnancy happens that its unavoidable. Abortion is just as much "facing the consequences" as all other methods, albeit the last one that should be used.
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They can. But they don't have too.
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@donyamalak B12 can be fortified in almond, soy and rice milks. And which amino acids? Amino acids make up protein. Soybeans have all amino acids.
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No one is pro-abortion, nor do you have to be liberal to be pro-choice or anti-death penalty. I'm against the death penalty because of facts about it
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I have seen tasers and pepper spray do absolutely nothing.
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@redbullgavemewings1553 You do realize that there are many of us who are pro-choice who think it should be your right to not be vaccinated right? I just think that if you make that choice, you should be held responsible should your actions harm another person.
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@redbullgavemewings1553 so you're trying to say if they're against a woman's choice to have an abortion, they should not get the choice to be unvaccinated?
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@redbullgavemewings1553 That's literally what I said. You have kind of a piss poor way of explaining things. I get what you're saying now, but your word choice is odd.
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@redbullgavemewings1553 No, I read it as written. The way you phrase things is just strange to me. There's just a far easier way to say what you meant is all.
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They're not sentient like animals are.
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You do realize that most polyamorous relationships are closed right?
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The land that we use for farming mostly goes to farm animals. If we stopped raising them, they wouldn't just die. They would go back to eating what they want, and we'd save land. By the way, only a small portion of crops fed to humans and livestock is organic.
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Yes there is. Plenty of gun shows don't require a background check because of private sellers. Its just not a loophole.
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@waltermitchell383 Yep. In fact, all my guns were purchased from gunshows. That isn't true, and is easily debunked. And that's what makes us pro-gun advocates look bad. Private sellers, who can and do sell at shows, are under no legal obligation to perform background checks in 30 states. You must have a background check if a) your state puts restrictions on private sales or b) you're buying from a dealer. Someone who holds an FFL. You make pro-gun look bad.
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@waltermitchell383 Gun store? Yes. Gun show? No.
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Well, just because I'm vegan doesn't mean I don't care. But animals are sentient wheras plants are not.
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I don't mind what's said about vegans as long as its accurate. Some are extreme, and I'm sorry for that.
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Because the vegans would have said that isn't the argument ethically.
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What about them? That is not an argument for or against capital punishmentm
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@DPLan913 That would be a fallacy though. Specifically an argument from emotion fallacy.
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Protection is important. But it fails.
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Tito World Nope. I'm just an atheist because I see no evidence to believe a god is real. Also, you don't know how the bible is supposed to be interpreted. For all you know, her father was right.
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Tito World We don't even know if Jesus was crucified as there are no eyewitness accounts. The earliest books of the Bible were written 60 years after his death. I am poor and sick. Jesus and prayer doesn't help me. Working my ass off and going to a doctor does. I know I'm imperfect. What makes your God, assuming there is one, the right one? What about Ra, Zeus, Odin or Allah? People convert on their death bed because death is a terrifying process. That is not evidence that a God exists. I was a Christian for the majority of my life. It didn't do anything to help me. If God is there, and he is all loving, then no matter what I do I will be saved, because an all loving being would not damn his children to a place of eternal suffering. Until you can give me proof that a) God exists, b) Which God is correct, and c) What exactly he wants, I choose to withhold belief
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Tito World That's because there is no evidence. I'm not saying Jesus wasn't crucified, I'm just saying there's no evidence he was. I don't believe anything the media tells me. Yes I tend to believe after extensive testing what a medical professional tells me as they are more educated in that field than I am. But that's also why you get second and third opinions. That's fine that some Christians get love and happiness out of it. I view that as people looking to God to overcome their fear of death. I don't fear death, so I see no reason for any religion in my life. It doesn't make me any happier than not believing and not really caring does. No earthly crime is worthy of eternal punishment. If Hell exists as most Christians describe, a place of fire and eternal suffering where sinners are sent for punishment, then God is a monster and a tyrant. That is not a loving being. That is a dictator who demands you obey or be punished.
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Tito World We don't know who the real God is because you can't ascribe characteristics to a being you can't prove exists. Faith healing made me lose a very close friend of mine, and I am truly bitter at her parents for doing so. Praying for cancer to "go away" isn't going to make it go away. Again, I'm not ashamed of prayer. If people want to believe in a creator, fine. That isn't proof there is one.
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Tito World Well I appreciate that. I see no reason not to tell you my name. It's Zoey. I am sorry you went through hard times, and have no issue with you attributing your strength in the for of a deity. That is simply what I call fate driven as a result of decisions we make I try not to take anything I have for granted, because I know in an instant I could lose it all. I just tend to look more at tangible things than at the supernatural for strength. My friend died of untreated diabetes. Her parents decided to take her to church instead of a hospital. That's the only thing I take issue with. I'm glad God gives you strength and comfort. Keep following your path if it has served you well.
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We're not the top of the food chain actually, and we don't need meat. But to each their own.
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@dl4350 Thats not a fact. We're near the middle of the food chain. Food chains are based on trophic levels. But it really doesn't matter. I understand we are part of the food chain. We do have active predators.
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A. That's the mothers doing, not the fetuses. The heartbeat is very rare found in only a few weeks, because the heart doesn't even fully form until 4 weeks. That heartbeat is controlled by the mother. B. Its not about life. You dont nbn give a shit about life. It's about sentience. C. You lack the understanding of what murder is. Murder is unlawful. Abortion is not until a certain point. Therefore abortion is not murder. That's a fact, not an opinion.
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@trentbara2522 Not true. Violence has been falling in the US and rising in the UK, though it fluctuates each year.
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He is anti-vax. And he lost his medical license because of it. He said what he said here because he was on probation.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 A baby is post utero. A member of the human species becomes a person when sentience is achieved. That's how we define personhood. It doesn't have to put itself in the uterus because consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. A fetus is alive/human (if talking about a pregnant homosapaian) from conception. A fetus is a person when sentience is achieved. A fetus is a baby after birth.
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@Eddie Davies A fetus does not exist without a uterus. They don't have to be the same thing. One is dependent on the either for that "life". And that dependency is DEPENDANT on someone else.
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@Eddie Davies Strawman argument. Taking the risk doesn't negate your right to autonomy.
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Background checks depend on eho you're buying from and where.
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The question shouldn't be "is abortion wrong" because that is subjective to your personal belief. The question should be "what should the legality of abortion be"
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If your allergy is to tree nuts, then there's still no medical reason you can't be vegan. Soy is a complete protein, and contains more protein than beef. By all means, do whatever is best for you! But you do have alternatives.
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@razgriz501 I'm very sorry to hear that. Regardless of if you have allergies or not, you should never be shamed for what you choose to eat.
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Only believers can be the winner? Why? Nothing you say can offend me. I literally don't believe in your God.
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@Rat Race You don't know that. You simply believe that. And if the Bible is synonymous with truth, then fuck your God. Jesus Christ may not have existed. Though even as an atheist, I don't believe that.
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IssyFishyy There is actually no historical evidence that Jesus existed, though I do not doubt he did. It's just mathematically probable. A house that was claimed to be his was found, but there is no evidence supporting that it belonged to him.
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@zeusalefosio5769 No, I'm not offended.
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Polyamory is a romantic and/or sexual relationship with multiple people with all parties consenting. There are people (like me) who are polyamorous but asexual.
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They are alive, but they don't feel anything. They're not sentient.
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I disagree. Depends on circumstances.
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Yes, because nothing sentient is being harmed to produce that milk.
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@llrxnzloll6831 No, thats not the same thing. On the moral aspect, a woman consents where a cow does not. But i'm not a vegan on moral reasons.
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The statistics disagree with you. 5 countries with the lowest crime rate: 2 employ capital punishment. 5 states with the lowest crime rate: only 1 has the death penalty.
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@jupiterfox7683 How so? Its almost as if pro-gun can make legitimate points. So can anti-gun for that mstter.
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@brownbrownbrown2938 That I do.
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@lazyashell2201 Your entire comment proves you know absolutely nothing about guns. You don't like it over here? Then don't come. Better to be shot than beheaded by a madman on a greyhound bus.
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@lazyashell2201 I hope you do understand that there are guns in Canada. And that they are legal. And way to be prejudiced against an entire group of people.
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@lazyashell2201 And you do know that thats also the case in the states right?
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@lazyashell2201 No, I was referring to your country and the states being safe and having a ban on military assault weapons. Oh, and the right to bare arms is the 2nd amendment. Why are you only focusing on guns? Especially when over 60% of those gun deaths are suicides? It is not a daily thing. You're way more likely to be run over than shot.
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@lazyashell2201 Nobody in America prefers to be homeschooled. People are not as afraid as you think they are. Some schools are allowing students to carry. My college does it. Just because you hear about something doesn't make it true. And you should consider all the facts. Do you wonder why mass shootings happen in gun free zones? Because no one but criminals have them. It makes it easy to gun down a group of people. There was a man who walked into a bar in my state (where it is open carry) in an attempt to shoot it up. Do you know what happened? He was shot by a civillain before he even got a chance to fire off a shot. Because good people with guns stop bad people with guns. The 2nd amendment is important. Its in place to protect us from a tyrannical government first and foremost. Its hard to vote for a "reliable president" when neither candidate is reliable. I don't live in fear. I won't give up my guns because it is my right to have them. Its my right to defend myself and my family. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how being shot is so much worse than being stabbed or firebombed. Its not normal to fear an instrument that can't do a damn thing on its own.
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Soybeans are a complete protein. Not judging what you eat, but you don't need supplements to be healthy on a vegan diet.
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@christianjilwan8817 Murder is a legal term. It is not always interchangeable with "killing". A fetus is neither medically nor legally a person. Yes, it is human life from the moment of conception. But it lack personhood, because it lacks sentience. It is killing. It just isn't murder.
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@travisjohnson7065 That...doesn't mean anything. Science is neutral on the subject of morality. It can only be used as a justification for one side or the other. There's not much evidentiary science you can use defending a pro-life position.
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@travisjohnson7065 Sure, but that's only relavent if you're morality thinks that the killing of a non-sentient fetus is immoral. I argue this is already a false start. We don't care about life. We never have. Why does this topic suddenly make us care about the life, as opposed to sentience? Well yes, because you can easily arguing killing innocent human beings isn't wrong. DNR'S, comas, slow codes, war....all of these scenarios could justify killing humans. The fact remains that you start the abortion debate on a false premise. It doesn't matter that its human. It doesn't matter that its alive. Those points are irrelevant.
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@shawnboahene5231 That actually tends to be pro-life that does that. Not pro-choice.
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There is no excuse for wanting to take away bodily autonomy from women and the right to die from people. That is unacceptable, and there is no reason to try to understand it. Period.
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@emmanguyen2670 I am not going to try to understand a person's perspectives that wants to strip someone's rights away. Would you try to find common ground with a slave owner? How about an animal abuser? How about a bigot or a racist? No. You would tell them why their ideas are toxic and would move on.
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Why?
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Fetuses don't care about anything, since they lacked a brain when they were aborted. By the way, if you are making this a moral issue, there really are no facts. Its how you feel. We can look at what science says, but that doesn't determine our morals.
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Just because humans are a species of animal does not mean we have to eat them. Most people do not. You eat meat because you want it, not because you need it.
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That literally makes no sense.
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@srtcat3744 Your sentence makes no sense. An atheist existing doesn't prove whether a God does or doesn't exist.
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@srtcat3744 One, there's no evidence Jesus Christ even existed, though even as an atheist I am sure he did. Secondly, there's no evidence he performed any miracles. The story of Jesus is literally no different from a fairytale. It cannot be proven. Prove to me a God exists. Being an atheist doesn't prove God exists. I choose to be an atheist because it's the most honest position. Until proper evidence to believe in something is given, the natural position should be disbelief.
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@srtcat3744 I believe a man named Jesus Christ existed. But that doesn't mean he was divine. You may attribute God or Jesus to "freeing" you from those things, but you cannot back that up with evidence. I could make the argument is was willpower or boredom. Argumentum ad populum is a fallacy. Just because a group of people believe it does not make it true.
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@srtcat3744 What about the thousands of Christians who are now atheists? "Jesus is still alive and performing miracles" Evidence needed. Oxygen can be tested and proven. The supernatural cannot. There is no evidence for miracles.
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@srtcat3744 I don't have to see it with my eyes for it to be evidence. But there has to be some way to scientifically test your findings, and that doesn't exist with the supernatural. No. The universe is proof of nothing other than it's own existence. For all I know, the universe has always been here. I have no faith. It doesn't take any faith to be an atheist. I disbelieve in a God. What faith does that require?
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Good thing abortion isnt murder then.
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@yigglyyetard3043 Perhaps in your subjective opinion. But no. We can't all agree on that. Life means nothing to me, nor does it mean anything to humans. What matters to us is sentience, the ability to think and feel. "Genetically unique" is not being used properly. Unless you have a mutation, your DNA is still a combination of your parents. You could use the colloquial definition of unique, but you still are gentically similar to thousands of others. Sorry, I dont ascribe to that belief.
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@katie323 I wouldn't be. I can't speak for others.
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@katie323 That isnt how a majority of abortions are performed, so that just shows how uneducated you are on the subject. But that would depend on the senteince of the pup.
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@katie323 You can. That doesnt mean people do. Surgical abortions are rarely performed anymore. No, and by the way, that law was struck down in court, but only by one vote. Once a fetus gains sentience, I believe abortion should be off the table.
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@katie323 I'm sure it is. Once again, just because people do it does not make it the majority. That is all I'm saying. That would make you a hypocrite. If you really believe that fetus is innocent, its innocent no matter what. Why does a rape baby not deserve the same chance as a person who willingly had sex, but cant handle a child? Classifying it as a double homicide is only if the woman is 5 months along or farther under federal law.
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@katie323 Why is her life more important? That's just hypocritical. That fetus didn't ask to be conceived anymore than she asked to be raped. Regardless of how old you are, you should be allowed to have a choice in what is best for you. You really think its convenient to have an abortion? How? A child also should be raised in a neglectful environment because some people think it's a better alternative than never living at all. No, the difference between myself and a fetus is sentience.
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The "gun show loophole" is just a poorly named red herring. You can get guns at gun shows without a background check if you're buying the firearm privately. Only FFL dealers are under any legal obligation to provide a background check. Not all people who sell at gunshows are dealers.
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oscar salmeron How are we ignorant for not being raised in "do what God says or burn in hell?"
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But you aren't trying to do that, because you won't make it harder for bad people to get guns by increased laws. You'll only make it harder for good citizens
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Geoff at Large Which is why most atheists are in fact agnostic atheists. In fact, everyone should be an agnostic, theist or atheist.
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Geoff at Large No, that's an anti theist. Agnosticism is a knowledge claim about the existence of a Deity. Gnostics say for a fact there is while agnostics claim to not know. Atheist is a belief in the existence of a deity. Theists believe while atheists do not. Basically religion falls into one of 4 catagories: Gnostic Theist (Deist): "There is a God" Agnostic Theist: "I don't know whether or not there is a God, but I believe in one" Gnostic Atheist (Anti-Theist): "There is no God" Agnostic Atheist: "I don't know whether or not there is a God, but I don't believe in one."
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Geoff at Large Sure give me a second. No problem. https://www.thoughtco.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040 The first picture kinda sums it up.
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Geoff at Large No problem. Hope this helps
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We don't need capital punishment even in an imperfect world.
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Not when it comes to pregnancy. But they absolutely should be part of the conversation.
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Its not about life. It's about sentience. If you have ever killed a bug, hunted, or are not vegan, you don't give a damn about life. So quit pretending life matters. A fetus is life. But it is not sentient life until a certain point.
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@dandylion2837 And why is that? I dont believe any life is worth more than anything else. In fact, based on the horrible things humans have done, I'm of the opinion we're worth less.
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@dandylion2837 There are no differences between me and my pets other than species. Why is their life any less valuable than mine?
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As a failed abortion, I wouldn't have cared, because I lacked the capability to feel. You cannot feel or care if you are not sentient.
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Your area is overrun with whitetail deer because you destroyed their predators. Know what a majority of crops grown goes too? Livestock feed.
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Lizzie Allen I don't believe in God so no.
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Lizzie Allen No its not.
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@ethanm.2411 Because he actively supports abortion in the Bible.
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You can be vegan and be a "person with a brain".
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IssyFishyy That isn't true. Many people don't have a support system. Many children are homeless and steal for food. They are not biologically dependent on someone. A fetus is.
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IssyFishyy They don't. The depend on other humans. They don't necessarily depend on parents. If it uses your organ, its your body. Doesn't matter why. Not the mother's fault a fetus cannot live outside the uterus
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There isn't only one God in Christianity. But only one God is supposed to be worshipped. Monotheism doesn't refer to only one deity. It just means only deity is the "main" one.
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Both of those are much more likely the result of genetics than vaccines.
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Mormons are Christians
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@mr.meeseeks6549 There is no such thing as a "normal" Christian. You're either Christian or your not.
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@mr.meeseeks6549 So what specifically to you are "normal" Christians? There are 40,000 denonmations. Regardless of what you say, Mormons and JWs are just 2 of the 40,000
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@mr.meeseeks6549 They're all Christian's. So there is no point in trying to find middle ground. They all believe the same thing, just have differences in the timeline of occurance.
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I have never had a background check on any of my firearms. Almost everyone at shows here are private sellers lol.
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Its a generalization
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@pepe Thats a claim that has yet to be backed up with evidence.
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@Humanity Galatica Because abortion isn't murder.
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@sadtoast6835 I never said it wasn't alive. It is alive. Being alive doesn't determine what murder is. Murder is a legal term. Killing doesn't equate to murder is all cases
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@sadtoast6835 Okay so here's the issue. One, abortion is not unlawful. At least in the states. Two, I agree. Biologically it is a human being. But the law doesn't recognize it as one except in late stages and after birth. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you disagree.
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@sadtoast6835 But you are. Because by that definition, abortion would not be murder.
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@tacoexpressSEEDEEholeeveryones No. No its not.
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@tacoexpressSEEDEEholeeveryones No, I'm just educated and can be bothered to look up the definition of a word. I don't need to try and twist it to manipulate people into feeling bad or shameful. If anyone should be ashamed, it's manipulative liars like you
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@tacoexpressSEEDEEholeeveryones Yes you are. You are being deliberately dishonest by calling abortion murder.
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@tacoexpressSEEDEEholeeveryones Sure. When they're developed enough. But late term abortions are illegal. 96% of abortions take place before the first trimester. You have not seen a 12 week old fetus survive birth. Manipulative liar.
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@Hyyacinth No, I'm not miserable. I comment on pretty much all of Jubilee's middle grounds, because debating and learning about different perspectives is something I enjoy doing. I just simply try to provide a viewpoint others may not have. If you're not poly, then you can only say its fucked up based on what you see, and I personally don't think that's a fair assumption. I'm not defensive, and I know and understand that other people will never agree with polyamory. I only try to clear up misinformation I see people spread.
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@Hyyacinth That's not how I see it, though I can understand how it would come across that way. Just understand that this isn't the way everyone who is poly acts. What would you label someone who was poly if not poly?
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As if condoms are the saving grace to pregnancy. Stop being selfish and donate all the organs you don't currently need.
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If you have a nutritional need to eat meat, then no problem. However, that is not the case for the majority of people, especially in the west developed nations.
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@suffocatingplasticbag1064 Thats no problem either. Just find a diet healthy for you.
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Depends on the person. Some killers have years, even decades between their spans. And some molesters have done it, served time, and never done it again.
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Only if the vendor is a dealer in most states. All of my guns were purchased at shows and I never had a background check until I got my CCL.
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And if killing them brought the dead back, you would have an argument. But it doesn't. Inflicting the pain you felt on others is wrong, no matter how much the condemned deserve it.
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You can be atheist and believe in the supernatural. Atheism is only about a God. No. He wasn't right
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Most pro-choicers are also against late term abortions.
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We know plants are alive. Thats not the argument.
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@janieswanson2549 You can keep arguing semantics, and I won't waste my time.
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@janieswanson2549 Except its a vague definition and is not the used or accepted one. But you refuse to see and/or acknowledge that.
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@janieswanson2549 Then no one is vegan, because literally everything contains trace amounts of animal products. Vegans get more specific than that, thats why the terms pratical and reasonable are used. Period.
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@janieswanson2549 Excuse me if it didn't put *practical. I cannot survive without a computer. Its how I make money. I take medication that I need to survive that has animal products in it. No rational vegan would say I wasn't vegan because of these reasons, as it is not reasonable to expect me to be without these things. I'm not virture signaling. I don't even give a fuck if you're vegan or not. I'm vegan for health reasons.
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@janieswanson2549 Again, if we wanted to use such a strict definition, veganism does not exist. End of story. I reply to everyone, whether or not they agree with me. No, its not. But your comments are coming through and I have the ability to reply. You can claim I'm not vegan. The vegan community and the original writers of what the vegan lifestyle is disagree with you. I personally do not care what you think of me. By your definition, I wouldn't be vegan anyway. So it doesn't matter does it? You continue following your rigid definition. I'll continue following the agreed upon definition.
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@janieswanson2549 I am vegan, and I'll keep replying. And actually yes I am according to the doctrine. Shall I post the definition for you again?
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What's wrong with being vegan if you aren't an extremist?
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How is giving birth to a child you cannot care for responsible?
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@Ethan D. Where do you draw the line on mentally ill? Should I not be allowed a gun because I have social autism? Depression? Anxiety?
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@that1guy591 No you dont. Not if it's from a private seller. Only FFL licensed purveyors are required to do background checks, and restrictions are only used in private sales in 15 states. I own 3 firearms, and none of them required a background check. Hell, my first one was purchased in a bar parking lot.
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That's not an argument.
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Glad your mom was able to get her life together. Not all people can do that. So what about when contraception fails? Should they have a right to abort? You're sorely mistaken if you think abortion is "the easy way out". Let me guess, suicide is the easy way out too?
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Not all.
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@isgc1384 No, they shouldn't. And no one has the right to stop her. She may be looked at negatively, but she ultimately gets that choice.
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@ratofvengence It doesn't.
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@ratofvengence No it doesn't. Not by most definitions of a 1st world country. Depends on your definition, since there is no concise one.
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@ratofvengence So even by that definition, the US does not have the highest homicide rate. And on top of that, you don't take into account victim demographic nor population. Our homicide rate has been dropping over 40 years. But keep pretending it hasn't.
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The point of being vegan, from an ethical sense, is to reduce the amount of sentient life lost. By the way, there aren't "special farms" that just "grow vegan food" and the vast majority of farms are for raising livestock. Not only that, most crops go to feed livestock.
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Well humans are animals. What makes us so special?
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@ahoodification Animals also have brains. Animals are sentient and feel pain. Plants do not.
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You can't remove guns from everyone. People who want them will get them.
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@reromust-A2 Not necessarily. And the person who is buying may have never had a background check. I didn't until I got my CCL.
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Mikayla Vourlitis Because you aren't. You're not born valuable. You aren't born with intrinsic value. Your value comes from the things you do with whatever time you have and the people you interact with. Your unique experiences is what gives your life value. That is not something your born with.
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@bosnia7429 Except that still wouldn't be accurate, but personally? I'd take death over neglect.
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Not necessarily. Depends on whether you're buying from a citizen or a dealer. Private sales can happen at shows, and there is no background check required.
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You eat animals because you want to, not out of a nutritional need like lions do. That has nothing to do with nature and everything to do with the way you are taught. Life is not the problem morally. Its hypocrisy and sentience that is.
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@ethanm.2411 You know I meant safe for the mother. Human beings die. Its a fact of life. Some die sooner than others. Some die before they get a chance at life. Deal with reality.
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@ethanm.2411 Last I checked, the uterus is my organ. I don't care what its function is. No one is entitled to it without my permission. You don't need both kidneys. Should I be entitled to one of yours just because mine aren't functioning properly? No.
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@ethanm.2411 It doesn't matter what its purpose is. A fetus is not entitled to it. Period. You are not entitled to someone else's organ, even if that organ's sole purpose is for you. You just said it. I POSSESS the organ. It is MINE. Therefore, the only person that gets a say to what happens with it is ME. Not my husband. Not a doctor. Not a fetus.
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@ethanm.2411 The United States Constitution. I have the right to MY organs and MY body. And no one else gets to decide what is done with those organs without my consent.
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@ethanm.2411 Last I checked, the Constitution also protected the right to liberty and the right to bodily autonomy. Last I also checked, the government nor the Supreme Court recognizes a fetus as a person until after a certain point, therefore theg have no rights. I have every right to get rid of an invasive parasite if I do not consent to it and it is using my body in any way. You can have your own beliefs. Don't have an abortion if you don't like it.
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@ethanm.2411 Umm no. That is absolutely not true. The Constitution literally states that "these rights are equal". They are all just as important as each other. The right to life is also nullified if it encroaches on another's life to liberty (such as abortion, blood donation and organ donation). If I need a kidney to survive, I have no right to take one from someone else without their express consent. It doesn't matter that I'll die without it. Fortunately, your opinion doesn't matter. The law does not extend rights to a non-sentient fetus. Human rights aren't natural. They're imposed by a government. Nature doesn't care if we live or die. Morality is subjective, and my morality is that a person should never be forced into a situation they cannot handle. What gives you to moral right to force a woman into that situation. If we're being practical, it is a parasite. It feeds off its host (mother) while doing nothing beneficial to her and damaging her in the process, which is why neonatal care is so important. Do you get pissy at a doctor who performs a slow code or a DNR? Aren't those a matter of life and death?
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@ethanm.2411 If you'd wager money on that, thats a bet you would absolutely lose. Might I suggest taking a collegate level history class. Yes. Yes it is. You are under no obligation to save someone's life at the expense of your liberty or limb. No one can force you to donate blood or an organ to save someone who is dying. Actually, yes it is. If all life is so precious, then you should be required to save it if you can, even if it means taking from someone else. You claim life is above all else right? The right to liberty never takes a back seat. Its equal. Always. Thats why the Supreme Court have always upheld the right to abortion. Your strawmanning. Again, a fetus has no rights, whether or not we think it should. 1. Yes. It is only subjectively true that rape is wrong. That is not a universal opinion. You can have a subjective moral framework and then have objective moral actions that either tear down or enforce that framework. But its still subjective. 2. Neither of our opinions matter in the grand picture. We live in a society dictated by a government. So yes, their opinions matter, even when we don't agree with them. The govern our society. 3. In my opinion? No. But thats just my subjective morality. 4. I am a realistic secular agnostic atheist. 5. You shouldn't. 6. I don't view abortion as an ethical issue. I've said to you in past debates that I could grant you abortion being immoral. All I care about is that it remains legal. Because its a legal necessity at this point. Abortion is a legal issue for me.
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So is setting a child up for failure and calling for the removal of the right to bodily autonomy.
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@joe2times381 Because that "someone" is a non-sentient fetus.
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Who, quite frankly, is a monster.
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Thats not a fact. Thats a generalization dependent solely on Geography. It does not cost more money to be vegan where I live, but I understand that it may in other places.
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Actually, that depends on the club. Several clubs here allow people to carry, so long as you have an up to date CCL
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@bubbly747 That depends entirely on the state you live in. There is no federal law preventing a business from allowing people to open carry in their establishment. Thats a state's business. I carry my gun nearly everywhere I go.
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What people don't understand is that the argument that they cause long term health effects is false. These conditions that you want to blame on vaccines ARE genetic. That's not to say vaccines can't have side effects. But they don't just develop in life. They happen in the moment. People who do not vaccinate, and can, ARE a threat. They risk spreading diseases that have long been eradicated. That is not okay. If you are going to endanger people's health, you should have restrictions.
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Mmm no. Not in all cases. Private sales exist and they happen at gun shows all the time.
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@mq1469 Literally go to findalaw and look up private sales. Private sales are state laws. FFLs are federal laws
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They ARE their parent. My betrothed (as I call him) do not treat my children any different than their father (my husband). My kids know both of my partners as Daddy.
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No, but vegans don't wear clothes made from any animal products.
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Now if only it were that easy for everyone...
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No she doesn't believe in God because its foolish to believe in something with ZERO evidence.
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@myrononeal3961 Except its not, as it doesn't fit the definition of murder.
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The wool thing is something I don't entirely understand (since I'm not an ethical vegan) but animal hair made from certain animals can only be done after killing them. I think the wool thing is because we shear them more often than necessary to keep up with demand. Milking is a whole different issue. Most animals only milk while pregnant and must be artificially inseminated. That milk is then supposed to go to the young, which is torn instantly from its mother.
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@Ian-fw2fp Goats only milk year round if they have a baby that year.
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@Ian-fw2fp A goats mammory glands only release a hormone to produce milk if it is pregnant. While you may not see its offspring, for the goat to milk, it must have had a baby. It is possible for them to continue milking without becoming pregnant again, but the milk produced isn't fresh and frankly, can make humans sick.
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Hahaha. High gun crime in the US. That's a good joke. No, sorry. There isn't high gun crime in the US.
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@MYRD-ew6oi And guess what nearly 70% of that 40k makes up? Suicides.
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No, because a lion needs meat to be healthy, unlike humans
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Then you bring that to the attention of your partners. I'm in a v style polycule. I am married and have a partner, but my husbamd and partner have no relationship.
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I think where they get confused is private sales, which don't require a background check in most states and are often sold at shows depending on where you live.
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Its about sentient life.
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@Bob-sx7iv A taser is by no means "non-lethal". No where on a package will it say its "non-lethal". Because its not. It's not designed to be lethal, but that doesn't mean you can't die from it. A taser carries more than enough voltage to stop the human heart. Gun violence isn't performed with ak-47s and ar-15s. Its performed with small handguns.
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@Bob-sx7iv I would love to see those publications, because an ar-15 is such a noticeable firearm. Funny, after looking it up, turns out 82% of all mass shootings are committed with handguns. I'm not saying rifles aren't used. But they are certainly not the majority.
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@Bob-sx7iv The latest study I found was in 2019, where there was about 49 people. My point was to call a taser non-lethal is wrong.
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@Bob-sx7iv My only point was that tasers are not non-lethal. I'm not comparing them to gun deaths,
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Shes right in some aspects. Most states dont require a background check at a gun show if you're purchasing from a private seller. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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@joeyblaze2509 There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales. You are only required to have a background check performed if you are purchasing the gun from an FFL licensed dealer. Technically, there is a gunshow loophole, though it's not a loophole nor is it restricted to shows. All you need in most states to purchase a gun privately is a state issued ID.
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Neither of which you can get from a vaccine.
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Tell that to the 44,000 children waiting to be adopted and are currently being neglected.
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Not everyone who sells and trades at gun shows is a dealer. Private citizens also sell at gun shows, and are under no obligation to provide any type of background check in a majority of states. All of my guns were purchased legally and have never had a background check on any of them. There is NO FEDERAL MANDATE on background checks for private sales.
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Because the foster care system is already flooded with children who need homes. No, they don't "cut up the baby" unless you are having an illegal late-term abortion, which is illegal on a federal level. Most abortions are done via medication. The fetus is then delivered as you would with a stillborn or is pushed out via menstruation depending on how far along you are. Again, if families can't have children, there are plenty of them waiting. No form of birth control or condoms is 100% effective against getting pregnant. Try finding a doctor that will tie your tubes before your mid to late 30s barring medical exemptions. Yeah, because self defense will always stop a rapist.
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No one is pro-abortion, and there are stark differences between a fetus and a sentient animal. Not to mention that most everyone would agree abortion is wrong. But its necessary.
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@Humanity Galatica No matter how much you wish it wasn't true, human kind cares more for itself than for its collective. And that is not a bad thing. The only way one can benefit a society is to have personal happiness. The self has always and will always come first.
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IssyFishyy Yeah, people say that. And then an actual situation comes up, and they choose self preservation. Which isn't wrong necessarily. I'm not saying you wouldn't, but I also don't have confidence you would.
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IssyFishyy That's why I'm not saying you wouldn't. But there are also people who say they'll do that and don't. Humans have an instinct for self preservation. Thinking of yourself isn't inherently selfish or a bad thing.
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IssyFishyy You can be. But not if you don't want said fetus.
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IssyFishyy Every human is selfish. To claim otherwise is just a lie. That's why people choose abortion. To prevent a child from suffering. Just as you put a suffering animal down, or how some states allow people to legally end their own lives. Death should not be this horrid taboo thing.
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@jacobsecrist728 If its something that scares you, you need to grow up. Death is just something thats a fact of life. Because death is better than suffering in my opinion. And at a time where a fetus isn't sentient, I believe abortion should be a resort after careful consideration.
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@Humanity Galatica Not true. But of course you would have that worldview. Nothing wrong with putting yourself first.
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@Humanity Galatica Also objectively false. With or without a collective, I am me. I need no one else.
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@Humanity Galatica Sure, perhaps if I was a newborn, or wasn't acclimated to the world, I would die without help. But as an adult, I no longer need that. If society collapsed tomorrow, I would be just fine. I raised myself more than any collective did. And I did a fine job. I am capable of both working with others for the betterment of a group, and working alone for the betterment of myself. Truth outside of consciousness doesn't exist at all. You can't know truth without consciousness.
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@Humanity Galatica I am well aware of that.
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@Humanity Galatica No, not really. I am only bound to myself, and those that I love and protect.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah, except most people won't actually do that, because people have an inherent sense of self preservation. By the way, its fully possible to care for both.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah, and yet most people will not join the military, nor agree with the draft.
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@Humanity Galatica That is the exception to the rule. I'm not saying people do not want to serve. I'm saying many more do not feel that way, especially for a cause they don't believe in, like Vietnam.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah sure. Whatever you say.
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I am pro-choice until the fetus develops sentience. Then abortion should be off the table.
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Or you could just buy it privately at a show. No background check required.
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@ianmyers143 I am well aware of that. My issue is stating that you cannot buy a gun at a show without a background check. That simply isn't true, and it makes pro-gunners like us look bad when other pro-gunners spout misinformation.
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@Ankh There is no reasoning with someone who can't see things from others perspective.
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@Ankh I have a conscious. I don't believe abortion is wrong. So your statement isn't fact. It's your opinion.
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@Ankh Fact: thing that is known or proved to be true. You cannot "prove" morality. Because it is a subjective concept. So no, it is just "your opinion". You certainly have valid reasons for that opinion, as I have for mine. I'm wrong in your opinion. But you cannot prove I'm wrong in any objective sense. I won't correct something I do not think is wrong. And that means I will continue to stand for the rights of pregnant people and the dying.
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@Mizz Thang And idiots tend to raise other idiots, so take your own advice.
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The aborted fetal tissue used in vaccines are still from the original sample taken in the 1960's. Get over it.
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malone She is agnostic. But she's also an atheist, which is what she was getting pissed off about. He was referring to her as just an agnostic and telling her she was not an atheist.
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No it wasn't.
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@oscareguia3971 Outright lie. While it is true that babies are usually adopted out the quickest, adoption centers have nursery's for a reason.
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@frog6468 That's only true when it comes to private adoptions, which is a legal process that has to be paid for. There is no such luck for those that give their infants to the state.
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Funny you say that, since the places that have the highest mass shootings are places that are strict on guns. Wonder why that is.
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You can get protein without eating meat. Lentils, beans, and spinach are excellent sources of protein.
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I've never met anyone that finds empowerment with the act of abortion. They find empowerment knowing that they have the right to choose whats best for them and their fetus.
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@blubarie Its wrong in your subjective opinion. Forcing an unfit mother to give birth, in my opinion, is wrong.
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And here we have an example of someone who has no idea what murder is.
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@britishmgtow7251 A fetus isn't a baby for one. I would even grant you that abortion is evil. I however would argue that its a necessary evil, and you cannot place rights above another. Your rights stop where anothers begin. To resort to name calling is childish. By the way, for you to not be a hypocrite, you must also be vegan, anti-gun, anti-death penalty and anti-military. Otherwise, you don't care about life.
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@britishmgtow7251 As someone who was tortured by a broken system, I don't think you and I have the same opinion because of upbringing. Perhaps if you knew what it was like to wish you had been a successful abortion, you might see a different perspective.
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And you misrepresent the argument. What she said was she did not have inherent value. She isn't valuable just because she exists. And she's right. Value is a descriptive term we give ourselves, but it is not inherent.
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sunflower sishter I don't believe in God because I have not been giving compelling evidence to his existence or which God, if any, is correct.
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That is so subjective. Most religious people I know are stubborn and pissy
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Andddd that makes you a hypocrite.
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@d.j.wellington Let me just step in. Abortion isn't murder for 1 reason. And thats because it doesn't fit under the definition of murder. An embryo is human. Fine. I'll grant you that. Then I can pose to you the burning building scenario, and by that stance, you would be a monster no matter what decision you made.
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@d.j.wellington No, I'm an atheist.
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@d.j.wellington That depends on your perception. I would say abortion is never ideal. And that it should be avoided if possible. But its a right, and I think the solution to less abortion is to provide help and education to young people. Do I think its wrong? No. Not if you make a careful decision about it.
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@d.j.wellington I think that whenever you feel its necessary. I tend to have faith in people making good judgments about themselves. I can only speak for myself and how I felt when I had to abort my first child.
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@d.j.wellington There are times when abortion is necessary. Cases of incest, rape, ectopic pregnancies, fetal problems, or problems with the mother. You are talking to someone who lived a miserable life because her mother and the state was neglectful and abusive. You're talking to someone who wishes her mother had aborted her. Someone who will never be able to live a normal life. So you'll have to excuse my view. Most of the abortions that take place are done because all that child would experience is abuse, neglect, abandonment and in some cases, death. Death when they can actually feel and are sentien and sapient. That's not okay.
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@d.j.wellington Perhaps in your view they aren't good reasons. But the decision is not yours to make. I believe you meant "adoption" instead of "abortion" but thats a broken system as well. There's no guarantee of that child living a stable healthy life. Life may be important to you, but again, that is not universal. I don't think life holds any inherent value. So my views naturally would not align with yours. I think liberty is just as important. Yeah, it is. And I've attempted in the past. I'm also a person who takes no issue with suicide or euthanasia. People should have a right to die if they are not happy. Its wrong to force someone to live for your happiness. Again, I think you mean adoption. And no it doesn't. That leaves still a financial burden on the mother and some adoption agencies are so full, they will not accept new children. 44,000 are currently waiting and more than half will never be adopted. What happens then? Its fine.
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So children and the dying should just be forced to exist in a miserable world where they are tormented. Yeah. How very pro-life...
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I don't disagree with you, but you are advocating pro-choice. You cannot be both. They're antonyms. You cannot change the definition of a word to suit a narrative. Thats dishonest.
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@ch3rryclashhh That I think is the best position to have
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No, those are extremists. I value human life on the same level as animals. But I also won't be nasty or rude to you because of your choices.
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@revelesrichard9967 Imagine pretending to know that because someone has one stance, you know all of their opinions. First off, I am not pro-abortion. That implies I think every pregnancy should be aborted, and I don't. Secondly, I absolutely stand with those who do not want the vaccine. I got vaccinated, but if you don't want to, you should have that choice. As far as for many people being for vaccines, that is for the safety of the public as a whole. You are a risk to people when you aren't vaccinated moreso than you would be if you were. But that should be your decision.
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A theory is supposed to have holes because we don't have all the answers. But a theory has at least evidence and scientific understanding behind it, which the supernatural does not have.
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@blitz8260 You already are spinning a false narrative. What evidence can you provide that a who exists? How have you ruled out natural processes or any of the other thousands of Gods worshipped?
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In what? Holidays? Christmas, Easter, Independence Day, Birthdays...
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She's speaking in broad generalizations.
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@nickstojic6995 You kind of do.
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@nickstojic6995 No, you need help.
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Actually, the jury is also responsible for giving a sentence based on prosecution. The judge meerly has the final say on sentencing.
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Unless you are incredibly young, there is literally no chance you have NEVER been sick. You just haven't had any major illnesses.
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@emp731 I don't believe that for an instant. I think the last time you had something debilitating may have been 20 years ago, but you have certainly been sick since then. Perhaps simply nothing that hindered you. I hope you also realize that you did not get the flu from the flu vaccine. You can thank cleanliness, food safety and vaccines for that.
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He never made Adam and Eve, because they literally didn't exist.
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Except we're not a theocracy. We live by secular laws. Ones that have been deemed moral by the majority. And we have rights, one of those being liberty. Life is equal, not above.
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@AjaxNixon No they aren't. Don't have an abortion if you don't agree to it. You aren't being forced to support abortion.
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@liamturman A fetus development is killed or terminated, yes. And?
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Absoultely not true. I work with evil people. I just understand that the death penalty does nothing to benefit society, and the money going into it has better uses elsewhere
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@emd2831 You believing someone deserves the death penalty and not being able to control your emotions doesn't mean that should dictate the law. I understand what pedophilia does to children, but killing the pedo doesn't magically cure their pain. No, I don't agree. Not because I don't think pedophilia is wrong, but because I think with logic and reason, not emotion.
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But...you don't. Private vendors often sell at shows, and private sales do not legally require background checks in most states.
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@itstriplem2069 And yet fundamentalists treat it like it is.
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Abortion is not a moral issue and arguing from morality is a fallacy that gets you nowhere. Morality is subjective. You cannot compare abortion to rape, murder or slavery because they are incompatible. Abortion is a legal issue. I could grant a fetus personhood. I could grant that its living. And I can still argue from pro-choice. There are things far worse than death.
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Falicies should not make up the law.
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Humans do not need meat to be healthy. Unless of course you have certain medical conditions. You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet without supplements.
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@tymeksamol8943 You can find B12 in fortified almond, soy and rice milks.
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To be a vegan, you must abstain from all animal products, including clothing. It wouldn't be any different if everyone was vegan.
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It depends on your ethics and how extreme you consider those ethics.
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Evan Scammell Gender has nothing to do with your biology. Intersex people are also often not placed in either category. They are labeled intersex.
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Evan Scammell I'm aware of that. That's not what your comment implied. Sorry for confusion.
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@ILovePink-x1v I enjoy debate lol
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@ILovePink-x1v I will keep up the fight!
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So does eating a hamburger.
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People's Republic of Scotland Uh..most atheists are agnostic atheists. We just find saying agnostic as redundant
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Sex is a natural act performed for more than just procreation. You should try to find someone who can, but that option is not always available. Abortion is not a cop out any more than suicide is. You know what's not accepting responsibility? Birthing a child you inevitably neglect because you cannot care for it. The fetus can't make a choice because it lacks sentience. Abortion is not at all convenient. Also, supporting abortion in one instance and not the other makes you a hypocrite.
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Why is that? Defend it.
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@viviancooper5892 I was with you until the first hand accounts. No. NONE of the Bible was written by first hand accounts. The EARLIEST texts in the Bible were written 30 years after the time of Jesus. My point is that since we don't know how this supposed deity wants us to interpret his book, the book itself is useless. And a God who gives no direction to his followers is no different to a God that doesn't exist.
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@viviancooper5892 Except they weren't. And there is 0 evidence of that. Because most of the people who would have been around to witness Jesus, if he existed, would have been dead at the time those books were written. We don't know who wrote these scriptures, so how can you call them prophets?
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Lizzie Allen You never have to sample all subjects to get data. I'm basing it on what we have no. Abortions are individual. Perhaps where you live or what you read, that is true. I see far more women regret having to have an abortion, but maintain they made the right decision. Myself included. Never have I met someone who has said abortion is the best thing they ever did. And you know that wasn't what I was saying
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You understand the bigger drain on our economy is capital punishment. Its more expensive.
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In general, it is. But it doesn't work for everyone. You should find what ia healthy for you.
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Yes it does. It's just poor nomenclature. It refers to private sales at gun shows.
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@cooldude3764 35 of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales, nor is there a federal restriction on private gun sales. You are wrong.
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Serial killers exist...
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How about seeing it from another perspective was what, I believe, she was getting at. People who were forced to become Nazi's or risk getting them and their families slaughtered.
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I didn't stop believing in God because of trauma. I stopped believing in God because I realize there was no evidence of one.
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@TheBINIBALL She was implying that people who become atheists do so out of trauma and then claims there's more, both of which are untrue.
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Uhh...no?
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His point was that most can. Not all, but most.
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Polyamorous =/= polygamy. Your whole argument is flawed. And the point was to draw a comparison of being able to love more than one partner like you love more than one child or friend. Not that those loves are identical.
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@mariahberry3312 No, clearly you need to understand context and stop being so close minded. At least just admit you don't like polyamorous people.
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@cea-jaymales8031 Biology refers to sex. Sociology refers to gender.
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@cea-jaymales8031 So why are you arguing that you can't change your gender?
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@zachman5150 Hate to break this to you, but being transgender is reality. Gender is simply a social construct. I don't see what's so hard about calling someone by their pronouns. That's literally all they're asking.
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@cea-jaymales8031 Either or. why's it bad to demand be respected and called the correct pronoun? How would you feel if I refused to call you by your name simply because I thought you should have a different name? Probably disrespected, as you should be. No difference.
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@cea-jaymales8031 No, it isn't disputable. They socially identify as a gender. You socially identify what your chosen name. Why is it so hard to address them by their chosen pronoun?
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@cea-jaymales8031 Are we honestly arguing "subjective opinion?" That opens up a whole new can of worms. Of course they don't like their sex. Because their sex does not align with how they perceive their life. Its ridiculous how much of a "stink" people like you kick up when it comes to simply being respectful, and calling people what they want to be called. This is a ridiculous argument to have. How hard is it to say he instead of she? How hard is it to say they? You just sound like a child. They're "subjective opinion" is reality.
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@VictoriaLeigh313 It's not difficult to accept that other people disagree with you if that disagreement wasn't literally the disenfranchisement of other human beings. If your personal beliefs conflict with reality and fact, then frankly, your personal beliefs are shitty and should be ignored. If your actions are supressing others who just want to be able to live as normal a life as possible, you should be ashamed. Because you are a shitty person. Personally, I would rather people like that be ignored, as shaming them on social media just brings more attention to their abhorrent behavior. But I also understand why people attack. We tend to be reactionary. It is the same. A name is simply a personal identifier. Same is true of gender. My point was that if I decided I didn't like your name and just renamed you to something I felt was more fitting, you would feel disrespected. As you should. Its the exact same with pronouns. It doesn't matter if it aligns with your belief or not. Give the person the decency to call them what they asked to be called. The fact that this concept is so hard for people is ridiculous.
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I think the point was strictly that ice cream isn't vegan...
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God has never been proven to exist.
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@jameson6789 The burden of proof is on you.
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@jameson6789 No, you have a belief.
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@jameson6789 No, actually. I lack a belief in a God. Provide me evidence of said God and I will change my opinion. The burden of proof is on the one making the positive claim.
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IssyFishyy I don't find inherent value in life. That doesn't mean life has no meaning or that it has no value. That's up to the person and those around them.
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Unintelligent Individual It is living. It is just not sentient. That's the difference
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Unintelligent Individual Sentience is the ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively. Nothing is "morally relevant" because everyone's sense of morality is different. But it's why people are pro-choice. I would rather a fetus be aborted than be born to a household that will abuse and neglect it.
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Josh No abortion is not murder. Killing a potential life, yes. But not murder. Murder and Killing are not the same thing.
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But why does that matter?
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Or you just understand psychology. Sorry, but I love my cat more than a human stranger.
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No, people are just correct when they say it isn't murdering, unless you live somewhere where abortion is illegal. Murder is a legal term, and even if I grant full personhood of the fetus from conception, its still not unlawful. You always fall back on ad homenims when you have nothing intelligent to say.
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@suppercharge1 Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. So let's ignore the fact that LEGALLY. a fetus isn't considered human. Is abortion illegal? No. Therefore, it can't be murder. I think its your brain that's less developed, since you can't seem to comprehend a simple definition. Also, guess what? Did you know you can be anti-abortion AND pro-choice? Probably not. Since you can't seem to access that underdeveloped brain.
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And what exactly makes the act unethical? Your subjective opinion? Why should that matter to anyone other than you?
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What do you define as mentally unstable? Just having mental illness?
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And I've never had a background check for any gun purchase. And yet people think everyone having checks will stop violence.
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Because they broke the state laws concerning a legal abortion dumbass.
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Someone doesnt understand what the definition of murder.
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eva So clearly you've never looked the definiton up.
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eva Then you clearly didn't read them carefully, as she is both an agnostic and an atheist. She doesn't believe in a god (atheist) but does not deny one may exist (agnostic). So yes, the old man was right in saying she was agnostic. But he was wrong is saying she wasn't an atheist.
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The world did not overpopulate with animals before we got here. The only reason it would is if we stopped eating them, but continued to domesticate them. I'm sorry these extremists are the loudest. I promise we're not all like that.
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Krystal Mayes Well then I, personally, think you're a hypocrite. I argue the humans are less valuable then most other creatures. We cause war and destruction. Before it's sentient? Yes. I'd rather see a non sentient fetus be aborted than watch another news story of a mother who beat her child to death because she could not raise it.
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Krystal Mayes I personally feel like putting life on a pedastal in any aspect, but then being upset with people for doing the same makes you a hypocrite. However, I don't think that's a bad thing. Everyone is a hypocrite in something. The difference is the fetus isn't sentient whereas the child that is abused and neglected is. To me, abortion isn't about life. It's about sentience. You can say that does not justify killing a fetus. I could say you liking the taste of meat does not justify killing a cow. We all have our own opinions. That depends. If there's a certain chance the person would wake up, then I would say no. However, I'm all for pulling the plug on life support. I don't believe that's living, and I advocate for having a living will and power of attorney so those decisions are your own. As for whether or not there has been studies, I do think it would help. I'm not sure there's any statistical data. I only know my personal anecdotes.
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@ninponighthawk That's cool. You need a handgun license to open carry a handgun in Indiana.
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@queenofhearts7503 At the time of 96% of abortions, a fetus cannot feel pain, as it has no brainstem to process signals from its developing nervous system. So no. It doesn't care.
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If you're eating a proper vegan diet, malnourishment is no issue.
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alvaro alas Most atheists aren't like that, but that being said, it isn't our job to prove anything to you. It's your job to prove your Deity. I'm alright with saying I don't know how the universe came to be.
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And those people are called pro-choice.
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@ethanm.2411 There is no moral argument to be had. No one denies abortion is terrible. The question is whether its necessary at this point.
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@ethanm.2411 No. Slavery was never necessary. It was enacted because the Bible gave you the right to own other people. Women have a right to an abortion. They have a right to liberty. Slavery involves sentient humans with rights. Abortion does not.
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Its amazing the amount of absolute idiots that don't understand what words mean.
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@justanothercommenter618 I do. That's why I know abortion isn't murder.
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Most animals don't eat agriculture products in nature.
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@toysrusdumpsterbaby9837 Most if the vegans I personally know, myself included, are vegans for dietary reasons.
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As if we would have chosen to not be aborted if we could have made that choice.
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@Humanity Galatica Absolutely. I'd, honestly, had offed myself if you weren't treated like absolute monsters for attempting and failing.
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Sin by definition is an affront to God. So yes. It is GOD that is sending you there. And the "way to heave" depends entirely on which denomination you belong to. How am I supposed to know which way is correct? If God were truly all loving and forgiving, then sending someone to a place of eternal torture would be abhorrent. No crime is worthy of eternal punishment.
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@IssyFishyy I'm not a moral nihilist. Please, go actually find a moral nihilist. They will tell you that is not what it means. I'm a moral relativist. Sure, they can all agree on that. But shall we go over the laundry list of things they CAN'T agree on? If there is one objective interpretation, which I'm not saying there isn't, who has the right one? But I thought God was omnipotent and all knowing? These things cannot coexist. So what? That doesn't change the fact it's finite. That is not worthy of eternal punishment, if that were truly what Hell is. You will probably never convince me that there is a God at all. But, if one day you could, you would never convince me that the Biblical God is anything more than a vengeful, maniacal, petty monster.
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Got his license suspended lol.
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Not in all cases.
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You won't see a decrease in crime with the death penalty. Its not a deterrent.
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Depends on the person. Many people live extremely healthy on vegan lifestyles. See what works best for you.
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Most states have no "gun license". You may need to a license to carry, but not to own.
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@ayourmum8521 The problem I have is with anti-vaxxers jumping to the conclusion that their child needs 24 hour care BECAUSE of vaccines, when that just isn't the case. That blame is not justified. What the fuck? No one "straps down a child". No medical professional does this. No medical professional blames vaccines for the reason a child suddenly becomes non-verbal. Your cousin has never had thr flu because a) everyone around him is vaccinated and b) because he has a strong immune system. Not everyone is granted that. The government doesn't make as much money on vaccines as you think. Especially since vaccines are free nearly everywhere and are covered by the most basic insurance.
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Prove to me God exists.
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@undergroundrapfan9018 I don't claim he doesn't. You're the one asserting the positive claim, so the the burden of proof is on you.
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@Americandream2 I was the exact opposite. My life is better without God.
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@norbertmiklos3646 That isnt an atheist. Someone who claims to know that God does not exist is an anti-theist. Agnosticism is not a religion. It's a stance on knowledge about the existence of God. Agnostic literally means "without knowledge". If you don't know whether or not a God exists, you're an agnostic.
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@kokokoala7338 That's what an atheist is. Someone who doesn't believe in a God. So I don't understand your argument.
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@kokokoala7338 Most atheists are. In fact, all atheists are in my opinion. Because to me, if you declare there is no God, you are an anti-theist not an atheist.
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@kokokoala7338 I don't understand. We're saying the same thing. I'm an agnostic atheist, so I know what an atheist is
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You can be committed no matter whether you are mono or poly.
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Pro-choice doesn't equal pro-abortion. Hell, I know people who are against abortion but still pro-choice.
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We...we literally are animals.
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Why do you place so much value on the heartbeat instead of the brain? I'm just curious.
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The definition of atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Thats it. Jeremy was not only wrong, he was an asshole. He absolutely got what he deserved.
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No, it infact isn't.
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@grantlangkamp1909 I never said it wasn't life.
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@grantlangkamp1909 Yep. Because abortion has an established definition. Its a legal term. Not all killing is murder.
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@grantlangkamp1909 Yes. But its not murder.
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@grantlangkamp1909 No, I didn't. Murder is explicitly a legal term. Not all killing is murder.
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@grantlangkamp1909 No. They're charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy. In order for a double homicide charge to actually be filed, you have to meet very specific criteria. Maybe try doing some research?
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@grantlangkamp1909 Because it's not. Murder has a definition that abortion does not fall under.
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@grantlangkamp1909 Murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of one human being by another. Abortion is neither unlawful, nor is a fetus recognized as a human by law, since it is not a person.
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There is no vaccine against sepis. That is blood poisoning. The likelyhood of you getting meningitis when you are vaccinated are much lower.
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Except we don't have a gun violence problem in the states and stricter regulations do nothing to curb the problems we do have. Look at Chicago.
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@ElysianSounds I'm just smart enough to not believe what the media feeds me. I don't consider suicide by firearm "a gun violence problem". I know there is no concise definition of a mass shooting. I know that I have a better chance of being run over than gunned down.
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@evanbrown7264 So explain to me how enhancing gun control would affect criminals? What happened when we outlawed drugs? Drug sales decreased right? Oh wait. You don't make it hard for violent people to get guns by enacting gun control. You make it easier.
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@ElysianSounds And yet there are still countries that have a higher murder rate than the US. You know what the odds of surviving a gunshot wound as opposed to a stab wound? See, now you're strawmanning the argument. Having traffic laws in place protects people. If you got rid of the drug laws, you wouldn't have cartels. Same issue with guns. The more good people that have them, the less lives lost. Are you against police having guns?
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@evanbrown7264 I never said you did. But you advocate for tighter gun control, and that helps no one but criminals. And the problem with your argument is your using faulty evidence. Not only that, your equating violence specifically with guns. If you enact gun laws, you make it easier for these "unstable people" to get guns. Not harder. If you think we have a gun violence issue, then you can't be bothered to do research on statistics and believe what media feeds you.
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@ElysianSounds And the way to do that would be by giving more good people guns, so they can stop threats before they occur. The difference is, gun control laws DON'T protect people. They HARM people. The massive hindrance is that tighter gun conrol laws ONLY AFFECT legal gun owners. It makes it harder for THEM to get a gun.
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@evanbrown7264 So your saying if someone is shooting at you, or posing an active threat to innocents, you should not impose violence to stop them? If thats thr case, you're living in a fantasy world. What do you propose? Just try talking them down?
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@ElysianSounds Except a) conparing countries is a strawman and b) "gun control" may lessen gun violence, but would not stop violence. And in a country with 300 million guns, you'd only be aiding cartels. The very fact that it doesn't save lives. Your delusional if you think it does. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America, and innocent people are gunned down on a daily basis.
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Not necessarily. She is wrong, in a sense, but because of the way she thinks it works. In saying "you could go to a gun show and buy a gun without a background check" she's right. You can do that in some places. I have never had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. But that's because the shows where I live consist mainly of private sellers.
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@Humanity Galatica Sure, but words have an established definition at points in time. And as of now, it cannot be changed.
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@Humanity Galatica But it hasn't. As of right now, keep legality and morality seperate
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@Humanity Galatica Morality is subjective.
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Psst...she fits the definition of atheist. Which makes her an atheist. Should probably try looking up these words.
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@user-bs2vb2sr5w Do...you know what the no true scotsman is? Because I don't think you do.
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That's only true if the vendor is a dealer. The gun show loophole is a red herring name for private sales at shows, which do not require background checks in most states.
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That's literally not what anyone is saying. The truth is that they ARE human, and deserved their prison time. They just don't deserve to be treated like animals both inside and out of prison. Its why we have such high recidivism rates.
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Its the acess to the medical procedure, not the procedure itself. I mean, people love meat. That's a termination of life.
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@stargazer1405 So? Humans aren't special.
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@BeastGotClipped No they aren't. Humans are animals. Just animals with a developed pre frontal cortex.
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@nickstojic6995 First off, humans are not the top of the food chain. Scientifically speaking, we are near the middle with pigs. In order to be at the top of a trophic level, an animal must only consume the flesh of other predators. Secondly, the only reason we can do that is because we got lucky on the fusion of chomosome 2 that allowed us to develop a prefrontal cortex. If you think that makes you special, fine. But in all honesty, you're just a higher functioning animal. I think we are special. Just not above any other sentient animal.
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@BeastGotClipped I don't think you're any more special than any other animal.
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@BeastGotClipped I made it very clear that while I think humans are special, I do not think we are on a pedastal. I made that very clear. So I fail to see any hypocrisy.
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@BeastGotClipped In which case, nothing should be on a pedastal. Because every animal is special in their own way. You are special. Just not any more special than your dog. In my opinion.
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@BeastGotClipped Humans think differently only because we got lucky. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make you any more special than any other evolved species. You are just special. No more and no less. There are species of animals who are more advanced than we are in certain aspects. It doesn't have to stop. I never said it did. But if you're going to make the argument that killing a non-sentient fetus that feels nothing is worse than slitting a lambs throat open and watching it struggle and bleed to death when it can feel the way you do, I'd say you're the hypocrite here. If you have a problem with abortion, you should have a problem with meat.
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@BeastGotClipped No, anatomy decides when a fetus can feel pain. It doesn't matter if its human. Being human is irrelevant. The world doesn't work that way. I would love to live in a world where everyone was responsible for their children. But they aren't. And telling people to "control their desires" not only doesn't help, but is harmful in its own right. I'm all for abstinence if you can. I think we need to make protection more available and teach about safe sex. But abortion is still a medical procedure. And like all others, needs to be carefully considered.
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@BeastGotClipped Yep. I'm fine with abortion, DNR's, slow codes and I'm pro gun. The why matters.
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That is not how vaccines work. You ARE a danger to people. You are a host for mutations and you are susceptible to spread it to people who cannot get vaccinated.
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You are still a Christian. Protestants are a denomination of Christianity.
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So in other words "be a hypocrite and deny a certain women rights". Yeah okay. Then when that child is abused or neglected, you should be held personally responsible.
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@MasterhpIke If you preach against abortions, but allow certain circumstances for abortion, you are being a hypocrite. You aren't practicing what you preach. No, they won't. You people have this fixation on the belief that a woman jumps to an abortion as an out. As a first choice. The fact remains that that isnt true. Abortions are often a reaction to a sudden change, or the last resort after weeks of thinking. If your "friend" really said that, than he is either one of the small percent who actually doesn't care or, more than likely, he was being sarcastic. Absoutely they can. But a majority of child abuse cases come from unfit mothers who were not allowed abortions.
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Very few people are psychopaths. Thats a diagnosed mental illness. They also don't die without a funeral in all cases. Depends on if the family claims the body.
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Lizzie Allen Absoutely. The worst ones are the ones with power.
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@dreamkasts I'm not saying that George Floyd wasn't a victim of racist and biased police. He was. But he wasn't a saint. He was a felon. And there are other people that should be publicized that have been the victims of racism, both white and black. Both cops and civilians.
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IssyFishyy hey see? We can find common groubd on some issues.
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That's not being rude. As an atheist, we find it silly that you need a potentially made up being to make decisions for you. It seems immature. That doesn't mean we have a problem with it. It's just strange to us.
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@jillian3602 I understand that. Some atheists do consider believers stupid. But I don't blame her for being annoyed at the old man. He was an asshole
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I think what she meant was in general, eating a vegan or more plant based diet is healthier.
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Gee, I wonder why there would be hostility against a group that is actually harmful and detrimental?
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He had already admitted to what he did prior to his execution, even helping police catch other killers with his insight.
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@Humanity Galatica Then please go to the nearest hospital. I need a kidney.
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@anomaloustick4471 Because the previous commenter is claiming that one should not have the right to do what they want with their bodies. If they stand by that sentiment, they should have no issue with other people demanding them to do things with their bodies they may not want.
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@anomaloustick4471 The fetus is using your organ for survival. I'm sorry, but it is her body. It does not exist without access to organs the mother holds. She decides what happens with those organs. Period.
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@anomaloustick4471 DNA does not matter. And genetically, we don't call them unique. Unless you are born with a genetic defect, you are genetically 99% similar to your parents. And identical twins have the same genetic coding. The fact that it uses another person IN ANY capacity is the issue here. The fact that it is BIOLOGICALLY dependent on another. We have a term for that. Its called a parasite.
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@Humanity Galatica Oh nice. Let's just strip all rights from humans because a court deemed them guilty of something.
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@Humanity Galatica As much as you wish that was the case, no. They don't. If thats legitimately the way you think, you need serious psychiatric help.
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Abortion is taking responsibility. What is not taking responsibility is realizing you are an unfit parent and then letting a sentient child suffer at your hands. Abortion is never easy. Pull your head out of your ass.
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Most ethical vegans I personally know do not own pets. They think its ethically wrong to own another animal and to continue to domesticate them. I'm sure not all think this way, but the ones I know do. As a dietary vegan myself, if you MUST eat meat to be healthy, go for it. Humans, for the most part, don't. I think you should try veganism, and if you can't work with it, then di what makes you happy and healthy.
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@ILovePink-x1v I wouldn't say fight. I want to debunk misinformation and try to help people as much as possible. Sometimes, however, that leads to fighting.
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@sock7481 I actually am proud to say I have changed people's opinions. What I choose to do with my time is up to me. Besides, healthy debate and discourse is something I enjoy.
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Someone doesn't know what the definition of murder is.
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Because unless its a private adoption, which is super expensive, foster care is broken. Odds are they won't have any quality of life as adults.
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Pro life people always bitch about abortion, but never consider the life the child will have or consider adopting or fostering children. You're just fucking hypocrites who are pro life until its convenient.
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You may one day wish you had it. Your culture, crime and economy are all different.
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@jazztries4715 You may never need it. You may also one day be in a situation where you wish you had it. Just depends.
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So first off, none of those are mental disabilities. Secondly, a majority of the population has mental illness. And third, I'm a straight, white, libertarian vegan. So the spectrum is vast.
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Infertility is not a risk with abortion. That has been continuously disproven. Sure, you can hemorrhage during a surgical abortion (which is rare) but you can also hemorrhage during birth.
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@lushiscat Infertility happens naturally aa you get older. There is no correlation between abortion and your fertility rate.
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They have been. He lost his medical license for violating his medical probation.
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You completely missed her argument. She said she didn't believe something had INHERENT value. Not that it wasn't valuable.
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I'm also the healthiest I've ever been. As a vegan.
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Its not really different growing up with polyamorous parents than monogamous parents. Yes, the husband would have done the same thing. Because he has no respect for boundaries.
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@Mashmarriner69 Yes it is.
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@Mashmarriner69 Its simple. Because gun control doesn't help the problem. It makes the problem worse. Gun control is no different than telling gun owners to just give up their guns. You know why? Because criminals obey neither. Your "gun control" DOES NOTHING for gun crime. It only makes it harder for good people.
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@corytimm3136 I have never had a background check, but my sales were all private.
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@tristinjudd2595 Most gun shows do have booths. But you don't have to be a dealer to have a booth. Unless your state has said otherwise.
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@tristinjudd2595 No one I have has performed a background check.
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@lescobrandon8443 Except even if you didn't have a bill of sale, that doesn't stop the sale from being legal. No. Actually its not. That depends entirely on the state law. As I said, which apparently YOU didn't read is that many states do not perform registrations on guns. How about learning the laws?
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No, he shouldn't have. Because it wouldn't have done anything practical. Did he deserve it? On an emotional level, yes. But the laws should not be based solely on emotion.
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@mavasanaei6733 I know precisely what he did. That doesn't change my argument. Putting him to death would have done nothing. It would not have changed the past. It would not have brought those fetuses back. The death penalty is emotional grandstanding. Nothing more.
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@mavasanaei6733 He wouldn't care. He was psychopathic. It wouldn't show him anything. If it does nothing beneficial to society, it shouldn't exist.
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No, its fact. Plants are not sentient. They lack a nervous system.
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But only if its a dealer. Private sellers aren't bound by that rule in most states.
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Thats sad.
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Not in most states they don't.
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@fitzy1840 No. Not in all cases. Depends on who and where you buy the gun.
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No they're not. They're radicals.
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Except crowder specifically went to people who were dealers, which will require a background check. All 3 of my guns were purchased at shows. All were purchased 3rd party. Never had a background check.
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Ultimately, the choice is up to the one who's body is being used by another.
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Its literally not. Cheating requires a lack of knowledge and consent from the other party.
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America does not have a gun problem.
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@spincer3033 So am I and no it doesn't. We do not have a gun problem.
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@spincer3033 Yes, I am well aware of this.
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@spincer3033 No gun laws are perfect, but we still have had a decline in national violent crime. Especially homicides
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@Sdsamurai Perhaps you think so, but that doesn't make you right. Our gun homicide rate is at a 40 year low. Some people like to own automatic weapons just for collections. Why does there have to be "protection" behind it?
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@Sdsamurai No one has ever killed 50 school kids in a mass shooting over here either. Personally, I don't think cocaine should be illegal, but thats just me.
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Polyamory literally can't be cheating. Cheating involves going behind someone's back. If polyamory is just "cheating" then monogamy is just "possessive".
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@Dre_98 America's gun crime dropped over the last 3 years. Australia's homicide rate rose in 2017 and then dropped. Crime happens. You're one of the idiots who believe that a majority of gun deaths are homicides and they're not. 88% of "gun crime" are suicides and accidental discharges.
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Why do you place value on heartbeat instead of brain activity?
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@Confederate Fleet Really? I've experienced the exact opposite.
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No such thing as a credible antivaxx doctor/scientist.
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@IssyFishyy Nope, because my moral framework will always think murder is wrong. You know what justifies murder? The Bible.
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You're not naive just because you dont support a useless system
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@killax27 He didn't say everyone can be helped. But a majority can.
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I'm pro-choice. I value sentient life, but I also value bodily autonomy.
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Being poly isn't cheating. Going behind a partner(s) back and being with others without knowledge or consent is cheating.
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@Anotherguy1st Then its not cheating. If all partners know and consent, it no linger fits the definition of cheating.
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No, thats not how a food chain works and humans are not at the top. We're near the middle. Bringing God into it invalidates you, as not everyone believes in God. Between veganism and abortion, on a moral level, one is hypocritical that destroys a sentient life and the other terminates the growth and development of a non-sentient parasite (in most cases). Find a diet that suits you. Thats the stance most vegans take. But at least take the time to understand why.
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There is no country that is not a dictatorship where the right to buy guns is outright restricted. They just make it difficult, and also have higher homicide rates than the US.
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Because consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy. If you get into a car and have an accident, should you not be allowed treatment because you knew you could have an accident? No. If you hit someone, are you responsible to give them your blood? No. Nothing gets access to your body without your consent. Period. Abstinence does not work for everyone. People's libido's are different. Sex is done mostly for pleasure. In some cases, its done to reproduce. I'm sorry that you are so antiquated, but you need to come back to reality.
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It also makes no sense since the Bible condones abortion
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Because both of these conditions are extremely common?
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Yeah, that has nothing to do with blood type. That simply has to do with you bodies chemical composition. If she did have a bad reaction, its either because a) she didn't do the diet long enough; b) She didn't do the diet properly or c) she has a preexisting condition. I'm O- and have never been healthier being vegan.
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Omnivore is not universally healthier than veganism. It just depends on each individual. And the way the meat industry works is certainly not better for our planet.
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@dutchpatriot17 That depends entirely on the person. I do much better on a vegan diet. But thats just me
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@dutchpatriot17 Thats not the opinion or consensus of any nutritionist. Humans as a collective don't have a diet they function best on. That's an individual thing. You can be an omnivore. You don't have to be
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@dutchpatriot17 No, actually its not. Some people do best on an omnivorous diet. Some people do best on a vegetarian or pescatarian diet. Some people do better on a vegan diet. It depends entirely on your body makeup. You're literally forming a strawman. Lions and cows function differently than humans. You are not an obligate omnivore.
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But that isn't the argument.
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Except you can. It just depends on who you are buying from. Background checks are only federally mandatory if the person is purchasing from a dealer.
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@hadi8699 Please take a biology class. For the love of everything. You are stretching the truth so far, its sad.
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Mathilde Young Yes they have, and that's wrong. Yes, the kid fell in the cage, because the parents weren't paying attention to it. A fetus is prenatal human, and is medically not considered a baby until after it is born. and abortions do not happen for convenience. It's sad if you honestly believe that.
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Mathilde Young There are many scientists that argue that it is not a human being until it's born. Now, I personally do not believe this. If it's got human DNA, then in my opinion, it's a human being. That's not the point. No there actually aren't. Adoption has been in decline since 2005. You know why? Because it's cheaper to have your own children then to go through the long drawn out process of adoption. A toddler is a sentient being. A fetus is not. Get that through your head. I never said I didn't believe a fetus is a human being. But that doesn't mean I don't see why people have an abortion. If you really want to end abortion, treat the causes of the reasons for abortion.
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Mathilde Young So a biased 7 year old article with no stastical data is your evidence? Try again. If that were really true, adoption agencies wouldn't be so overcrowed. No, it's all about sentience. You can say it's not a good excuse, but the law is not on your side. You're not pro life. You're pro birth. No one is pro abortion. You know how I know adoption agencies turn children away? Because I took in a friend's 2 children who couldn't care for them because the adoption agency turned her away. If a fetus should have rights, so should farm animals so everyone should be vegan. There are no "pro-life" laws other than you can't have an abortion after a certain period. Nor has abortion rate gone down. Abortion happens because of economic problems, mental illness, and physical issues that prevent a woman from raising a child. When you force a woman who is unfit to birth a child she can't handle, she will come to resent, abuse and neglect it. You wont save children by outlawing abortion.
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The "right place" that has never been proven to exist? Get back to me when you can prove there's a God and decide on what he/she/it wants.
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@RedstoneActive922 Thats true, but I find it silly to believe in something until there is proof of its existence.
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@csea4672 Jealousy is a natural emotion to have. Some have it and some don't. I share as well, and my betrothed has a wife. We simply don't feel jealous of each other. My partners are there for me as I am there for them.
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@csea4672 Nah, I don't feel jealous at all. I'm happy myself and my partners are happy. In fact, just personally, if I'm feeling like that, I prefer to be alone. We didn't choose this lifestyle. We just happened to fall in love with multiple people. I'm quite close with his wife.
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@csea4672 I've always preferred to be on my own whenever I'm in a bad mood. Its how I've always been. Has nothing to do jealousy. You're right. It is hard. And it can be harder with multiple people. I'm just willing to put in that time.
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No one automatically deserves respect. God is a monster if hell exists.
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@liarose2054 Agreed
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Most vegans make acceptions for necessities, such as medication.
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Mathilde Young And then watch the adoption agency say. "I'm sorry. We don't have the space necessary to take in your baby. Look into a private adoption"
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Because a fetus isnt a baby. It is not sentient and depends biologically on the mother until it gains sentience.
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@angelac5769 I dont care if you have a different opinion than me. That's fine. But understand where we are coming from on the opposite side.
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@angelac5769 I'm not disrespecting your opinion either. I merely showed you the other side of the coin
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@mathildeyoung1823 Its not discrimination. You aren't aborting them based on them. You are aborting them because you are unfit to care for them.
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@angelac5769 I can understand the sentiment and believe adoption should be looked into, but it doesn't work like that. You cant just hand your child over to a random family. It's a legal process, and it's expensive. Theres also no guarantee the child will ever be adopted.
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No one hates him. They're pointing out his flawed logic and ignorance.
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No and no. It is impossible to feel pain and be conscious without a brain and a nervous system.
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Pretending your belief is fact doesn't make you right. He is also abiding by subjective truth. Truth is objective, but it needs to have verification behind it, something the supernatural cannot provide.
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No one argues for people who have medical issues not being vaccinated. The problem is people advocate for "my child had a bad reaction, therefore vaccines are unsage and NO ONE should get them".
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Depends on where you live.
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@ea-tr1jh Depends on whether or not she gets remarried. If you do get a divorce, and then proceed to remarry, you've committed adultery according to the Bible.
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Because the fetus is not guilty of the crime of which the condemned is being executed for.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg Its almost like you think that its the parents fault the fetus can't live outside the womb.
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@danedds1068 Yeah, lets pretend thats how most abortions happen. Or pretend abortion is all Planned Parenthood does. Has nothing to do with morality. I could grant you the premise that abortion is immoral, and still argue for its legality. We don't outlaw murder because its wrong. We outlaw murder because it violates a right that the government upholds.
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@danedds1068 I don't think its immoral to do either of those things.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg Its not my fault a fetus cannot live without my uterus. So until that time, it will always be my right. Just as it is your right to deny me a kidney, even if it saves my life. Bodily autonomy is a protected liberty. When a fetus can live and develop without the use of a mother's womb, I will then stand against abortion.
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@danedds1068 You asked the question why this is the case. I gave you the answer based on the legal context. I don't argue/debate from morality. Because everyone's views are, if even minorly, different. I think our differences come from you, looking at abortion from a moral standpoint, and me, looking at abortion from a legal standpoint. And yes, they should be, if the mother wantes to carry that child to term. Because that would be a violation of her rights. The reason we have abortion is because its a right enshrined in the Constitution. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, and you have the right to liberty. That means deciding what happens with and inside your body.
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Most of us aren't :(
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Most killers are not cold blooded as most murders are 2nd degree.
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Inherently? Probably. Every living thing does to reproduce. Does it care? No. Its not sentient.
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@TheYagga Yep. Though they do not have the same cognitive function as humans or lets say dogs.
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@TheYagga No, we respond through signals from the brain. We do not respond chemically. And again. No. They don't feel pain. Pain is a sensation that can only be felt systematically. It can only be felt with a nervous system and a brain.
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But that isn't what she said. She said she doesn't know if there is a higher power but does not believe in one. That is an atheist. More specifically, an agnostic atheist.
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@JonBlack413 Nah. She has the ultimate authority. Its her body. Also, don't want to pay child support? Petition the court and terminate your parental rights.
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Do you actually know how buying guns works? Because shes right, in a sense. It would be sketchy as hell, but completely legal, depending on the state.
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No actually. Very rarely does that happen, especially in more severe cases. The justice system is not infallible. And to be honest, Charles Manson was just a drug addict and good at speaking. He never killed anyone.
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Depends on the state and who you're buying it from. It's not a myth, but I also wouldn't consider it a loophole. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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Most people don't. Considering you don't always need one.
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Being polyamorous does not equate to cheating.
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You do understand that a well regulated militia referred to private citizens forming groups, right? This was written at a time where we had no standing army. Oh also "well regulated" meant organized and established. It had nothing to do with gun laws. Take a history class.
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@Sdsamurai Yeah, I'd challenge that last part. Do you understand why the 2nd amendment is written how it is? What is was originally for?
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@Xean45 But its not an interpretation. Thats the problem. If people actually knew anything about history, they would know the context in which the Constitution was written. The only reason you believe this os you want gun restrictions. Explain to me why. Why do you want to see people die?
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@Xean45 The second amendment had nothing to do with a foreign invader. It had to do with citizens being allowed to defend themselves against their own government, should it ever become tyrannical. That has NOT passed.
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Thats not true. At least not in a 1st world country.
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@josephtreydunn4836 Lol, no there isnt. That's why I'm not.
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Yes, they can still get it. The difference is a vaccinated individual can fight off these diseases without developing the crippling side effects and usually without much medical intervention. You cannot get the flu from the flu vaccine. The reason people usually get the flu anyways is because the vaccine only covers the 5 most common strains. The flu is a virus that easily mutates and is spread airborne. You're just uneducated.
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@what6233 Your body naturally weakens when exposed to any foreign body. Your immune system is weakened because it is already actively fighting something off or is in the process of rebuilding itself up. Just like organs can never full repair damaged tissue. I'm assuming when you say "studied biology for 5 years" you don't mean at a post-secondary level. Or you mean basic biology as opposed to something like Microbiology.
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@GravityFailure I'm not making excuses. Simply stating facts. I cannot get contraception without a prescription, and where I live, you're fucked if you have no medical insurance. The problem is its prone to human error. People forget their pill, patch shot whatever. And there are millions of people (like myself) who cannot take birth control.
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Uhh...if you manipulated people, lied, and stole, then you are still a manipulator, a thief, and liar. Those labels do not change. However, everyone is 2 of those 3 things. And being those things don't inherently make you a bad person. Your growth is the fact that you can own up to your mistakes.
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Why are you pro death penalty?
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No its not.
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Sandra Mackin And what happens when that agency turns away your child because there's no room? Adoption should definitely be looked into, but it is not the only option and sometimes is worse than abortion.
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So, are you also a moron who doesn't know what a fact is?
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Spilli And I never said God doesn't exist. The original commenter said that God is a fact. That is a lie.
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Vaccines don't make money. Vaccines are given for free.
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@Emmie-p8x I'm okay with a mother killing/terminating a fetus, yes. So long as thats a decision made carefully.
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Then in all honesty, you're kind of an asshole.
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Uhh no. Most of us do not what guns gone.
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@quaycee7404 Nope. Because I enjoy collecting guns and shooting for fun. Plus I carry at work
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Abortion does deal with the consequences, just as motherhood and adoption does. They shouldn't. Just as you shouldn't be forced to give me a kidney just because I need one. And again, abortion is taking responsibility. Its recognizing you are too immature and inexperienced to properly care for a child.
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@pilot6563 Abortion is taking responsibility. You still have to deal with the consequences of your decision, which amount to financial loss and sometimes social rejection. So no. Its not getting rid of the problem. Fact is, 31% of children who are currently in foster care have been there since birth-6 months. So where were all the parents then? And by the way, if you wanted a child so badly, why wouldn't you adopt anyone? Why does it HAVE to be a newborn? Why should children suffer and die because they don't fit your "ideal vision?" It really doesn't matter. This isn't even a moral issue. Its a legal one
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I have no obligation to, nor does religion deserve to be respected
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And I think that a person who commits vigilante justice deserves to be prosecuted. You do not have the right to violate anothers rights, even if yours were violated. There is no practical reason for the death penalty.
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Are you assuming that people don't think of the victim's family's first?
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You can be healthy being vegan...
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@puls239 Being a meat eater does not necessarily mean eating healthy. You can eat healthy on any diet was my point.
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@puls239 I understand this. Your statement made it sound like you can't be healthy on a vegan diet.
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@catherineb5441 Then you either bought it in a state that restricts private sales or you bought it from an FFL dealer. I have never had a background check on any of my guns, as there was no legal requirment for one. It is not a lie. You just apparently don't know the law.
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If this question is serious, its because lions have a nutritional requirement for meat.
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@cityfantv-everythingmancit2946 Most anti-vaxxers I know are genuinely afraid of doctors and medicine. They legitimately believe it will hurt them.
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@fbryn0688 He does has rights over his child. After its born. He has no rights to a fetus in utero because its her bodily autonomy. Life isn't fair.
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Humans are not obligate omnivores. You don't have to eat animals to be healthy.
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@haza123b4 That doesn't make them right. But that is my opinion. Capital punishment is too expensive, its not a deterrent, and it doesn't lower crime rate. I also don't think putting 1 innocent person to death is worth killing 1000 guilty people.
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Should open a dictionary sometime.
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@amanabookclub4198 Your opinion is being attacked because it is harmful. You shouldn't be proud of harming people.
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@amanabookclub4198 Thats not what these people are though. These are people who think vaccines are inherently bad, cause mental diseases like autism, and who thinks no one should get them. All medication has side effects, including vaccines.
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Nope. Never been heartbroken and never been monogamous.
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@haneye7069 As if people don't get gaslit and heartbroken in monogamous relationships.
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@haneye7069 No, I don't ignore that trauma. I'm sure it happens. That doesn't mean its strictly to polyamorous.
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@haneye7069 I'm sorry that happened, but that's not all poly people.
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@haneye7069 I'm poly myself and have no idea what you are talking about. If you are in a consenual relationship, it isn't cheating. You find cheating way more in monogamous relationships. I'm sorry you were hurt. But you can't blame a whole community for your pain.
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@haneye7069 That's awful. I'm sorry that happened to you. No one should force someone to change their relationship to suit them.
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1989clh A fetus is always a health risk.
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1989clh No, in all cases. Why do you think neo natal care is so important? If you don't get the proper care, you will die. Don't be a hypocrite. Either you think all women should be able to have an abortion, or no one should.
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1989clh If a woman does not get neo natal care, she will die. That is just a fact, and it's why it's so stressed. She's being parasitized until that fetus is able to begin to function on its own. Also, please learn to speak English so people can actually understand you.
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1989clh Your grammar and punctuation is atrocious. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/pregnancy-relatedmortality.htm The cdc stresses the importance of getting proper neo natal care. Without it, you will not be able to adequately care for yourself, which in turn causes problems for the fetus. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14601260/ Death of newborns and stillbirths are caused by improper access to neonatal care
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1989clh So it's very clear to me you didn't read both links and expect you can just get pregnant and just do whatever you usually do an expect the child and mother to be fine.
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1989clh it's not a lie. I literally don't know a single woman who didn't have some form of care, no matter how primitive. Infant mortality rates and death during childbirth were so high in the old days because of lack of proper care
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1989clh Primitive neonatal care I assumed was implied. Just because some women choose a midwife doesn't mean they never see a doctor. If you didn't see a doctor, you would dramatically increase your risk of complications. None of this was even the original point. Your original point was that you sympathize with those who choose abortions because complications may arise. That's quite a chunk of abortions.
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1989clh *You're. Okay, so then you're a hypocrite. Question. Do you believe you would save unborn children by banning abortion?
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1989clh Could you learn to use basic punctuation? No, it's a curious one. You believe the only time a woman has a right to her own body and what goes on with it is when her life is in imminent danger, which is not the impression I got but I digress. So what would you like to see happen? Would you like to see a ban on abortion? I'm trying to have a logical debate with you.
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You do not have to take supplements as a vegan unless you live in a developing nation or have a pre-existing medical condition. Everything found in meat can either be gotten naturally in vegan foods or in fortified vegan foods, such as B12 being added to milks.
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Pascals wager is the weakest argument. What happens if you're worshipping the wrong God, or you're part of the wrong sect? Then you're still screwed.
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Yeah no. Thats not how gender works.
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That just shows your ignorance on the subject is all.
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@laraking804 When your opinion goes against what is reality, yes it is ignorant. Opinions can be wrong when it contradicts facts. There are facts to polyamory that we have both based on accounts and on psychology. If you believe that polyamory is a term for not being committed and sleeping around, you are ignorant. Because you have an opinion on a subject that is disproven by the large percentage of people who belong to that group. There's nothing inherently wrong with being ignorant. I'd be more then happy to discuss my relationship, in which I am both married, committed and have children, and have only slept with one man.
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@laraking804 They may be society based in how their viewed, but they aren't choices, any more than being gay is. Take a psychology course.
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Then so do the mothers. So much for equal rights.
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@anosh88 When did I say you weren't open minded? Why do you take statements I make in a general context and assume I'm saying it to you? I'm not. I have also listened to multiple religious viewpoints, and have had the exact opposite experience. I have them telling me I'm going to burn, that I'm immoral, that I deserve to die. Perhaps some atheists you met are like that, and if so, I'm sorry. They are certainly not the majority just as most religious people are level-headed. But the minority usually speak the loudest. I never made a strawman. I would love to see the strawman I made. And I only take problem with Christians or Christianity when it tries to dictate how others live their lives.
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@anosh88 I do care about it. I care about finding out truth. I care about people's RIGHTS in jeopardy. I care when religion is pushed on people. Humans are naturally emotional. Some have more passion than others. I make the long-term decision to not believe in God because I think its foolish to believe in something baseless with 0 evidence behind it. But thats just me. I don't feel bound to arbitrary rules and fear that I'll have a bad afterlife. Being an atheist allows me to live in the here and now. Kinda hard to understand what the Bible REALLY says when there's at least 7 different versions of it. I think the Bible is full of atrocities. I don't need to be saved. I am a much better person as an atheist than I was as a Christian.
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Anthony A. I don't believe in your "law of God" because I don't believe in your God. Have I lied? Yes. Have I stolen? No. Have I "blasphemed God"? Plenty of times. Have I committed adultery? No. Have I committed murder? No. Have I dishonored my parents? Probably. You make no point. I don't believe in this Hell. I don't even believe in an afterlife. I don't need, nor want, this so called salvation.
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@bigred6978 Its not murder because it does not fit the definition of murder. Murder is a legal term. Killing is the philosophical term
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@garylouk8776 Its not everyone's opinion. Its certainly not mine. No, I don't think a serial killer should get the death penalty.
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Not deserving a second chance is entirely subjective. You might believe that, but others do not. Laws should be practical and logical, not based solely on emotion.
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Thats not how human psychology works. People can, and are, in live with multiple people. While you can cheat in a polyamorous relationship, polyamory itself does not fit the definition of cheating. Why are you so mad at people being happy with more than one partner?
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@firstnamelastname4658 But that isn't true. You absolutely can be in love with multiple people to the same degree. Cheating: violation of a couple's assumed or stated contract regarding emotional and/or sexual exclusivity. This only occurs when the other partner or partners is/are unconsenting to you having an intimate relationship with another person. If they agree and consent to it, it is not cheating. Its neither. You can be loyal to more than one person by respecting and supporting all partners involved. Again, no. In fact, I don't know any polyamorous people with a "main partner". Everyone's time is even. I love my husband and my partner more than almost everything. Why are you so upset over my happiness? Because I fell in love with 2 people and monogamy to me is controlling. Its as if you own the other person, and I don't like that. But thats just me.
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@frenchie Thats why I said monogamy to me was controlling. Not in general. Thank you for understanding.
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Most aren't.
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As if abortion isn't taking responsibility.
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And we find another person who loves the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. If the old fuck is a representation of "true" Christianity, then fuck Christianity.
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...because its not.
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@LeuBlue I disagree. It certainly can be healthy, but to claim it as one of the healthiest foods is a stretch.
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For some.
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So you'd rather them suffer with a potentially deadly illness? I suffer with epilepsy, and I wouls rather take the horrid seizures I have on a weekly basis then the 1/400 chance of developing encephalitis from measles.
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@TheBookWorm1718 A week old baby is sentient and has rights. A fetus is not sentient and does not have rights until it gains sentience.
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If you don't believe you can love and be in love with multiple people, you have no understanding of human psychology.
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@MiraiMemento You most certainly can be in love with multiple people. Biology has nothing to do with it. It has to do with the human psychology. Humans are not pair mating animals. Most people have multiple partners throughout their life and they certainly are not monogamous as a species. Just because you are monogamous does not mean everyone is. We have yet to unravel the human brain. I know many people that have an intense devotion to multiple people. My best friend is poly and he has 3 other mates in his polycule who he would die for. Do not claim false information. Everyone is different.
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@MiraiMemento Not true. I would even argue that the majority of people aren't monogamous. People cheat on their partners all the time. We have an inherent need to want affection and attention not because we are pair bonders, but because we are social beings. By the way, polygamy is not the same thing as polyamory. All both of us is currently using is anecdotal evidence because thats all we know. Neuroscience and psychology have not figured out the human brain. You can most certainly be devoted to more than one person. The definition of devotion is: love, loyalty, or enthusiasm for a person, activity, or cause. You can be in love with more than one person, and desire a relationship that splits time amongst the group. Despite what you believe, facts don't care about your feelings.
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Considering you can't even spell psychologist, I highly doubt you are educated enough to speak on that subject.
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@kaizal3161 It relates directly. Your spelling gives off an impression of your intelligence. I highly doubt you know anything about how a rape victim's mind works or how psychologists actually deal with them.
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@kaizal3161 No it isn't because everyone's psychology is different
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You mean the deforestation that is mainly used for growing crops that are used as animal feed? Because thats where a majority of crops go.
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It was definitely the other way around. Defy the norm and your disbaraged against.
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Tell that to a polyamorous asexual.
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They're usually the same thing.
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@cellular7881 Atheists do not believe "there is no God". That doesn't even make sense because you can't believe a negative. Atheists lack a belief in God. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with knowledge. Everyone should be agnostic. Its a redundant term.
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@cellular7881 And most of them are wrong. These two terms are not mutually exclusive. I believe what you would want to see is agnostics vs antitheists, which is someone who claims there is no God.
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@Noah Does Christian Apologetics. Agnostics are people who understand that the existence of God cannot be known. Technically, everyone should be agnostic.
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@horrorfreaks While I understand where you are coming from, the problem with this is it fails to take into account that all members want to be in this polyamorous relationship. Its not like 1 person is poly and the others are monogamous. It isn't a need to be with more than one person. Its a want. A desire to have multiple partners. It doesn't have anything to do with lacking anything, at least not in general. I just would say I don't think its a bad thing to think about yourself first.
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@gimmethespaghetti understand, but thats why I used the word "maybe" to leave it ambiguous. People are not created equal and I'm sure in some relationships, a partner essentially "fills a void." Personally, thats not how my relationship works. I simply found two people I was deeply in love with, and didn't see why I had to choose between them. They were both happy with me, and wanted me equally.
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Because pro-life has absolutely nothing to do with capital punishment based on definition.
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@tmurphy9869 pro-life only has to do with euthanasia and abortion. I'm personally anti-death penalty and pro-choice
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@tmurphy9869 Life has no inherent value in my opinion.
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@I3igI3adW0lf Thats because you don't understand the difference.
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@I3igI3adW0lf Pro-life (which I'm not by the way) has nothing to do with capital punishment. Abortion is not murder by the way, based on the definition of murder. I am pro-choice but against capital punishment. That is not hypocritical.
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Vegans abstain from all animal products, including clothing.
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Weston Euler It becomes a baby, medically, when it's born. Technically it's human life always. The argument for or against abortion is about sentience, not life. A heartbeat that actually comes from the fetus itself, independent of its mother, usually begins at between 11 and 12 weeks.
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@Headless Horseman Sin only applies to people who are religious. I have no sin, as I do not believe in God. How am I the liar? You are the one who claims knowledge that you cannot possibly know. You are the liar.
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Most abortions take place before the brainstem is developed, therefore before the fetus can feel pain. No, abortion is not murder, because it doesn't fit the definition of murder.
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I don't want pro death penalty people put to death. I just want them to see the other side.
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@bradleymcdonald6273 No, as in the other side of the argument. As to why we don't need a death penalty and that its ineffective.
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@bradleymcdonald6273 Being dangerous to others does not equate to necessity for a death penalty. Thats what life in prison is for.
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@bradleymcdonald6273 I would put him in prison for life. I personally think the death penalty should be abolished
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@beerussama5338 you didn't state a fact. You gave a belief that people disagree with. Also no. It's God who judges you and sends you to hell.
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@beerussama5338 I was a believer. If Hell exists, your God created it, and judges you as unworthy to enter heaven and sends you to hell. No loving being would do that. Either there is no hell, or your God is a tyrant.
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Hahaha. Did you just claim polyamory is against the Bible?
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@_ryry11 ....Oh really? Then why did Abraham have 3 wives?
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@_ryry11 The first three. The final one is only mentioned in the Quran. Sarah and Hagar were both his wives. Keutuah became his wife right before Sarah's death. Why do you think polygamy was quite common among both Jews and Christians in early days?
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Not true at all. You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet.
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And why is that? What's wrong with wanting to be happy?
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@hayleecaldwell1030 Considering in theory, one doesn't need a heart if something else could adequately pump blood to other organs, I have never understood why people put so much importance on a heartbeat. No one said it isn't life. Over 50% of fertilized embryo's will never implant.
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No it isn't, at least not in most states.
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@ubaldoh1299 You said abortion is murder. No it isn't. Thats not an opinion. Except where outlawed, abortion is not murder.
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@skrys2236 You placed your child up for a private adoption then, which is a legal procedure handled by a lawyer. Do you honestly think a woman who cannot afford things for herself would be able to afford a lawyer? No. The vast majority of adoptions are state adoptions, where an unwanted child is placed in a adoption center managed by the state until a family decides to adopt it. There are over 44,000 children waiting to be adopted and the vast majority never will be. They will be let go at 18. It is an option. But its an option that dosen't guarantee happiness, health or success. I was a victim of this, and now suffer with lifelong disabilities.
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And once again we have a person who lacks basic knowledge about what an atheist is. No dear, a lot of atheists believe in the supernatural. My atheism only tells you my stance on God. That's it. An atheist is only someone who lacks a belief in God, not in the supernatural as a whole.
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If you're doing the vegan diet right, you shouldn't be missing anything. If thats true, she's not doing the vegan diet right.
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That's not a problem. Regardless of what kind of relationship you are in, you have to come first. You are the one in charge of your life and happiness.
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The death penalty isn't needed and you pay more in taxes for better privileges to death penalty convicts. Gee, I wonder why they go back to crime? Could it be that the system makes it damn near impossible for a convict to find a home or a job?
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Aluminum- Something you naturally consume in food. Antibiotics- Something you take in medication when you're sick. Egg Protein- Something you naturally eat Formaldehyde- Chemical used in body preservation. About 50 to 70 times more present in a newborn than is used for the vaccine. MSG- Consumed in food. Squalene- Found in a variety of foods and cosmetics. Gelatin- Naturally found in animal bones. Consumed in food. Polysorbate 80- Usually consumed in ice cream. Aborted fetal tissue- Was used to create the viruses from fibroblasts in the 60's. Hasn't been used since the original development. Mercury- Hasn't been used in any vaccines since 1996 other than some flu vaccines. Thiomersal mercury has never been proven to damage the body. May produce side effects like everything. Does a body no harm in the mass majority of cases.
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That is strictly an argument to emotion fallacy. That has no basis in law. If a law isnt practical, it should be done away with.
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No one corrected her because it would have devolved into the private sales at gun shows, which don't need a background check in most states.
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@sheepdogoutdoors7006 I agree.
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Thats a mighty big fallacy you got there.
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@acemxe8472 It can't be supernatural then.
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@acemxe8472 So you're just repeating yourself. Repeating yourself doesn't make you right.
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@andyscott15 Sure. Adam and Eve, Noah's flood, and the Exodus are the most popular. Even the Jesus story is very similar to other legends, although I'm not saying Jesus wasn't real. Hell, most characters in the OT have no non-biblical evidence to show they existed.
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@acemxe8472 Calling something a fact doesn't make it a fact.
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@acemxe8472 As it has yet to be demonstrated as true, its not a fact. Fact: a thing that is known or proved to be true. God is neither known, nor proven to be true, therefore he isn't a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@acemxe8472 It has never been confirmed by science. You are a liar. God's existence is not a fact. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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That's not what "inherent" means and that's also a subjective opinion.
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That's the biggest emotional fallacy.
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And you will without the proper care. One of the reasons infant mortality rate and death in childbirth and pregnancy is so high in underdeveloped nations and was in the middle ages
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 I do care about infants. That's why I'm pro choice. Because I'm tired of seeing them systematically neglect and abused, ultimately dying anyways, because their mother cannot care for them.
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@Layla-dr4oc What makes you think they go on to be amazing people? Some certainly do. Others are miserable for life. Others are just average. You can't miss something you never had. Fetuses DO NOT have the right to life, from a legal perspective. Morally, I grant you they do. But your right to life cannot come at the expense of another's right to liberty. These rights are EQUAL. Without a brain, you cannot make a choice. Without sentience, you have no personhood. That is why abortion is legal, regardless of the moral aspects of abortion. Again, a fetus is not a child. It has no legal right to life. Morally, we could argue all day. But that is the law (in the US at least). The government decides who has rights, not nature.
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Mohamud Ahmed You claiming morality is objective is still a fallacy. You claiming that does not make it fact. Morality, is in fact, subjective. However, you can use subjective morality to work towards an objective goal, like secular humanism. By the way, the Bible is an AWFUL example of a moral compass.
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Mohamud Ahmed You believing you have objective morals does not make it so. The fact remains your morals are based around who raised you and the environment and culture you were raised in. You are a product of the times. I'd be interested to see who "your people" are. If you are refering to an Islamic nation/Christian nation, you are wrong. You cannot prove a negative. You are the one who must prove the existence of God and an objective morality.
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You don't always have to go through a background check at a show. It depends on who and where you are buying. And there is NO psychological test on the purchasing of a firearm. That is unconstitutional. Pro-gun. Just correcting misinformation.
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Because nonreligious people still believe in God, which is not an atheist.
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@Zellymackintosh An atheist is not someone who doesn't believe in anything. An atheist is simlly someone who lacks a belief in a God. There is nothing ironic about that.
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No, that isn't true. That's only the case if the specific area you are selling in REQUIRES you to be an FFL dealer to sell guns. Many gun shows allow private sellers to sell as well. And they are under NO OBLIGATION to provide a background check.
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Bodily autonomy is a right, an abortion is not murder. The blatent lies that pro lifers spew is ridiculous.
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That is called Pascal's Wager, and it is the absolute weakest argument. By the way, how is it a "bad life" to live without a God who can't/won't prove his existence? Also, what if you're worshipping the wrong God? If Hell exists, God is a tyrant who is unworthy of attention.
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IssyFishyy Hey, something you and I agree on.
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Pro death penalty people are ridiculous, since they can't argue from facts.
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Well considering one side of the argument is ENTIRELY BASED on emotion...
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Humans are not at the top of the food chain. You are a terrible teacher.
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@andreasgeorgiades6895 Food chains are based on trophic levels. Some animals at the top include crocodiles, bears and komodo dragons. In a colloquial sense. You could say we're at the top. But scientfically we aren't
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Most states do not require anyone to have a gun license to own a gun. You may need a CCL to carry a gun in public. And a majority of states have no background check on private sales. Took me all of 20 minutes to buy my first gun.
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@night7185 Most states don't have a registry.
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I see sombody never took Introductory Psychology...
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You are absolutely wrong. Agnostic has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with knowledge of whether or not a God exists. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. It's a redundant title. Atheism is a lack of a belief in God.
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B12 can be gotten without meat artificially. Doesn't have to come from meat.
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Thats not what a food chain is scientifically. We aren't at the top. to be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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Here's my answer: It doesn't matter. Life is irrelevant. Humans do not care about life. Its sentience that matters to them. A persons rights stop where anothers begin and vice versa.
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@douglas carpenter I'm not being dishonest. I'll argue that life does begin at conception. I can't take an organ from you without your consent simply because I have a right to life. That would be putting my rights above yours. Also, from a strictly legal perspective, a fetus has no rights.
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@ethanm.2411 Murder is, once again, a legal term. No matter which side of the spectrum you fall on, abortion will never be murder until its outlawed. Everything I said is true. You eat meat. You step on bugs. You probably support the death penalty. You don't care about life. Exactly what I said. A fetuses right to life (which legally it doesn't even have) stop at the uterine wall. It does not infringe on the mother's right to liberty. One is not above the other. I view abortion less as a moral issue and more as a legal one.
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Most animals need to eat animals to survive. Humans do not.
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@The Cedar Yes, I understand that. That being said, you CAN digest plant based iron and protein. You do not nutritionally need meat. That was all I was saying.
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@The Cedar Not really. Sure, you'd have to eat them more often, but you'd be surprised how many plants have easy sources of protein and iron.
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Pipi Land_Unlimited No. And you shouldn't. People should eat what makes them happy and healthy
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Lol no he wasn't. Agnostic is an adjective. It means "I don't know".
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Because being poorly named doesn't equate to being a myth. You do not need a background check in a majority of states in you're buying from a private vendor, who also sell at shows.
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Then ask your questions. I'm from the anti-death penalty side of the equation
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Whether or not you believe in a God, humans are animals. And by the way, your God has yet to be proven. Killing an animal with a bolt gun to the head, a fatal electric shock, or hanging it upside and slitting its throat is neither respectful nor dignified. Granted, I don't care what you eat. But even farmers who raise organic meat and butcher it themselves are still doing something they do not need to.
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@ethanm.2411 This conversation can't continue because you don't agree with the established definition of objective morality.
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@ethanm.2411 You can literally just google the definition of objective morality. But sort of like your religion, no one seems to agree on it.
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@ethanm.2411 No one should be a moral objectivist. Because morality has always been influenced by culture and time. There is no such thing as an objective moral fact. Nature cannot tell you what is moral. Your morals cannot be seperated from your emotions. You cannot prove why torturing a child is wrong without emotion.
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@ethanm.2411 I'd like evidence of that. Because I love reading up about philosophy and know of 0 moral objectivists. Not saying they don't exist. You're the one who has to prove that morals are objective. And as far as atheism is concerned, I am an atheist. And I am more of a moral person than many Christians I know, and am certainly more moral than your God.
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@ethanm.2411 You also made the positive claim that morals are objective. So if anything, both of us would need to provide evidence. I can turn to psychology and what analysis of a human brain tells us. Let me rephrase that. I'm more moral than the God portrayed in the Bible. If this is an accurate representation of your God, then he is certainly not omnibenevolent. I don't think my morals are superior. And I absolutely could grant that in a debate setting. Do I actually believe that abortion is immoral? No. Fun fact: Neither does your God.
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Its someone that is qualified as a physician but doesn't work as a physician. Consultant for instance.
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That is not a realistic situation in the slightest.
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That's a statement you can't back up, as you have yet to show evidence of a God existing.
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@andyscott15 No, there isn't evidence. You just have confirmation bias. And nothing wrong with that. Your belief is yours.
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I would argue that. I value my cat more than most humans to be honest.
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@conor.3875 I don't. I just personally don't argue from an ethical vegans perspective because I think arguing from a sense of morality is fallacious.
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@conor.3875 I have friends who are ethical vegans. I myself am not vegan for eithcal reasons, but I don't disavow them. Argument from emotion is a fallacy.
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@conor.3875 Morality is a subjective concept. Ethical vegans are those who follow veganism for ethical reasons. I have no issue with that.
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@conor.3875 No? I personally don't argue from it because I'm a moral relativist. If you have luck from the ethical side of it, go for it. Personally, I don't care whether people choose to be vegan and that shaming them isn't the way to change an opinion.
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@conor.3875 I don't think something being fallacious inherently makes it an issue to be honest.
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@conor.3875 No not really. But I have no problem with ethical veganism. I'm not a vegan for ethical reasons, so I don't argue from that stance.
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@conor.3875 If your only argument for veganism is animal cruelty then yes. That's an issue. But I don't know any vegan who's ONLY argument is animal cruelty. That may be their focus, but it isn,'t their only argument.
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@conor.3875 If your argument is "eating meat is wrong because animals deserve protection" then to me, in a debate setting, that's a bad argument. Because the person you're debating with may not believe that. In a debate setting, that argument wouldn't work. But it may in other settings.
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Because it is. Being named poorly doesn't mean ir doesn't exist. It just refers to private sales at shows.
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I don't know anyone who's pro-abortion. If you're referring to pro-choice, then those two things have nothing to do with the other.
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@elizabethgrey6040 Thats a broad generalization. I'm a vegan, and lean left on social issues and right on fiscal issues. Pro-abortion is not pro-choice. Pro-abortion would be someone who insists that women who get pregnant must have an abortion. Pro-choice allows the woman to make all the decisions pro-life does, but allows her the Constitutional righr of abortion.
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Hope you enjoy your jail cell when you have a miscarriage then. Also, human life is not inherently valuable. We're arguably one of the most destructive and vile forces on the planet.
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Eh...not really. Its just not harmful in moderation.
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@bacon_208 But you can get protein in other ways. Just because its readily available doesn't mean its the best for you. I'm a dietary vegan, but if eating meat is best for you, go for it.
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@loloppololp9304 The complications that occur from vaccines are rare, almost always minor, and are easily treated.
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Yes you can. Thats kind of what they're there for.
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@xmmedia6808 No, they are also there to sell, and the checks needed would depend on if the person was a citizen or a dealer.
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@xmmedia6808 Again, that depends on who you are selling from. A majority of states do not have mandatory background checks on private sales, which often take place at gun shows.
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@xmmedia6808 38 out of 50 put no mandatory background checks on private sales.
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@xmmedia6808 I know. People at gun shows can either be private citizens or dealers
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Look at it for yourself. Most of suicide and crime statistics show that a large proportion of them lived in foster care for extended periods of time. But let me guess. Those statistics aren't valid because they support abortion right? I was adopted and I wish I had been aborted.
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@Itsalexandraelizabeth Then you're a hypocrite who pretends to care about the fetus when you only care about punishment for the mother.
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@Itsalexandraelizabeth Because you support abortion in some instances and demonize it in others. You can't have it both ways. Either abortion is okay in any circumstance, or its not okay at all.
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Because its implanted into her uterus and at the time of most abortions, ceases to exist without the use of her organs. The heartbeat shouldn't be your priority. It should be brain activity. What makes us "human" is our brain, not our heart. "Sombody who is completely reliant on the machines cannot just be taken off those machines..." Yes they can. When someone is comatose, without a power of attorney, that choice strictly falls on the next of kin. DNR's and Slow Codes also exist. The default when it comes to the use of anothers organ should be the discretion of the person who's organ is being used. I.e. consent.
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That depends entirely on who you buy the firearm from and in what state. Background checks in 35 states are only required if you are purchasing from an FFL dealer. There are no restrictions on private sales in a majority of states.
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Laws should not be based on visceral emotional responses
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Since when is being selfish inherently a bad thing?
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Because people dont trust or know your intentions on what you plan to do with it.
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Being a nonbeliever doesn't make yiu evil and frankly, Hell doesn't scare us. We don't believe in it.
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Unless you buy it at a show from a private seller.
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The Bible certainly does though.
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Less a myth and more of a red herring for the actual law. They don't always do background checks. Depends on the type of show and where it is.
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That's not what that word means
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So nobody should have the right to defend themselves from criminals or tyrannical governments?
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@mennoshouseofmusic1214 It doesnt work. You have vicious bombings, knife attacks and assaults using other weapons. The state of Europe.roght now is abysmal.
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@mennoshouseofmusic1214 I've lost 3 European friends to stabbings. You live under a totalitarian ruler. In the US we have a right to bare arms.
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@mennoshouseofmusic1214 Perhaps not in Germany. But it certainly is in other parts of Europe.
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@mennoshouseofmusic1214 You're absolutely blind if you believe that. It is a right to own guns here and it's a right to be able to protect yourself.
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@thismeaning9 I tend to have a lot of friends, yes.
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The death penalty isn't a deterrent. That has been continuously disproven.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 Its only a deterrent to those who would never do the crime in the first place. Once again, capital punishment as a deterrent has been continuously disproven.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 I have no problem with assisted suicide.
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You don't read the Bible do you? Wives are property of their husbands. They can do whatever they want, including abuse. Only in very rare circumstances can a wife break free from her husband. And if she DID get a divorce, which she only could on the grounds that the husband is unfaithful, therefore severing the contract, she cannot remarry. That would be adultery
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@billycarter155 That depends entirely on what denomination you belong to.
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@billycarter155 The 10 commandment for one. Why do you think it groups the wife with property? Have you read the Bible? Here are several: Ephesians 5:22-24 ...wives should submit to their husbands etc. 1 Timothy 2:11-15 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent etc. 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 ...women should remain silent in the churches (and following). 1 Corinthians 11:3-16 Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man (and following). Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Peter 3:1-6 Wives in the same way be submissive to your husbands (and following). Titus 2: 4-5 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, to be self controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands so that no one will malign the word of God.
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@billycarter155 You can use your apologetics all you want, but a woman is property of her husband. Also, you have no idea what the word fallacy means. The woman isn't allowed to do anything on her own. She belongs to her husband.
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@billycarter155 No, I'm pretty sure you don't. Also, just because the word "property" is not used doesn't mean that isn't what a woman is. She is unable to do anything without the permission of first, her father, and then her husband. If you don't consider that property, you're just delusional. Which explains why you believe in this deity to begin with.
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In your subjective opinion.
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Having safe sex does not guarantee you won't get pregnant. Adoption is not free nor is it always an option. It's not that hard to accurately predict the future of your offspring if you cannot even care for yourself. Explore all other options before getting an abortion. But don't bring a child into the world you cannot care for. I'm sick of hearing children scream "I want to die" and "I wish I had been aborted".
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Mercury has not been used in vaccines since 1996. Its used in one form of the flu vaccine, and the mercury used has already proven to not be harmful. Vaccines don't protect your body from getting the disease. They protect you from the repercussions of that disease. You may be fine with your body trying to fight it off naturally until it becomes so weak, it can no longer fight. Then you develop potentially life altering, or even fatal, complications. Would you rather take the risk of being potentially disabled temporarily from a vaccine, or being permanently disabled by a preventable illness? That choice is yours.
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@BLUEGENE13 Vegans don't eat animal based products becauae the animals are often treated unfairly and with poor conditions. Because that life is sentient
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And I'm proud to be an Atheist.
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And is also blatantly unconstitutional.
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@ElysianSounds Because you cannot withold someone from their constitutional rights on the grounds they fail a psyche test. Most people are mentally ill. Depression, anxiety, OCD, ASD etc. These would all cause a person to fail, yet do not determine whether someone is violent. I have an ASD, depression and anxiety. That doesn't mean I'm incompetent, untrustworthy or violent.
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@ElysianSounds Yes absolutely. The problem you face is the slippery slope. There are some people who shouldn't own firearms. But the majority can't be punished for it. The only thing that stops a bad person with guns is a good person with guns.
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No there doesn't.
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Alexandra If you're saying you wouldn't be angry when someone continuously cuts you off, tells you your wrong based on no fact, and tries to tell you what you are, you have more patience than I. Jeremy was the one being disrespectful and immature and I don't blame the women one bit for getting fed up with him
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If you honestly believe that, you're as moronic as he is.
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I don't know. I know plenty of pro-life people who are ugly as hell. At least with pro-choice people, only their appearance is ugly.
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Plants are alive, but they are physically incapable of feeling pain. They lack both a brain and a nervous system. They are not sentient.
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@STONKS_MemeMan Because I'm a chronic insomniac who loves to learn about other people's perspectives.
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@STONKS_MemeMan Quite frankly, neither do I. I eat vegan for health reasons. I do enjoy correcting misinformation
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Anecdotal evidence is not an argument. Perhaps you were able to raise him, but many people cannot. And they should have the right to abort a non-sentient fetus. Saying there is hope for every child is naive and unrealistic.
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@paulselberg9503 I never said there is no hope for a child. I said the likelihood of it living a, what we consider, normal life is lower than those of a child raised in a loving household. That is evidenced by our prison system. There are family's willing to take in children. But there are many more children than familes that can raise them, especially older children. You can stastically measure an outcome based on passed results. A majority of children raised in foster care do not live happy lives. That is not to say it can't and doesn't happen, and should not be the sole basis of an abortion. "Over 99 percent of abortions are for convenience" is an absolute lie. It is never convient to abort. It carries a lifetime stigma and is expensive
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In the same category as everyone else; an abuser. This applies to all people regardless of gender.
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@lilsaff21 Yes. And so is the other party. Abuse and violence are always wrong, no matter where on the gender spectrum you fall.
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@lilsaff21 Was it in a fight, or are you talking about out of the ring? If you mean in a fight, that is a consenting fight for entertainment, in which both are compensated and sign contracts. I am speaking about violence outside of entertainment.
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Because he's close minded and only telling his "truth". Also, he's just ignorant and wrong. Both sides had hostile positions.
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As an empath, its natural to empathize and/or sympathize with other human beings, even when they have done wrong. Whether or not they "deserve" it is subjective and irrelevant. If a service provides no benefit to the people, it should be done away with. Those people are often victims too.
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But the Bible also talks about predestination. You can't have both. If God is all-knowing, then free will does not exist. Also, Christine is an agnostic atheist.
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Then God is a monster and a tyrant.
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Not true. Just depends on who you buy the gun from and where. There is no federal background check on private sales, nor do most states have any restrictions on private sales.
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I have never had to go through a background check at a show. It just depends on where you live and who you buy from.
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@grosty2353 Only if the person you are buying from is a dealer with an FFL. Private sellers also can sell at shows and most states do not put restrictions on private sellers. Do some research. You make the rest of us who are pro gun look bad
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@grosty2353 So you clearly haven't done research, because you lack knowledge about the difference between a state sale (ie a dealer) and a private sale.
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@grosty2353 Private sales are any sale done when the seller does not possess a federal firearms license. Two private citizens. There is no law that states you must have a license to sell guns at a show.
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@grosty2353 So you understand how you were wrong now?
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@grosty2353 No, you were confused. My point was to say that you cannot legally purchase a gun from a show without a background check is wrong. You certainly can. It's not a loophole. It's just a form of private sale.
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Well, by that logic, humans are also made of food.
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Because there are no pro-death penalty arguments other than emotional ones.
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It certainly can be. Depends entirely on your romantic attraction.
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@thenamelesschannel2334 And devotion is something one could feel fpr multiple people.
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@thenamelesschannel2334 Not true. In fact, that can be proven simply by looking at a brain scan. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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@thenamelesschannel2334 The act of loving another person is actually something you can measure with a brain scan, which is why polyamory is recognized.
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Not true. The "synthetic" meat you are referring to (which a lot of vegans still don't eat) is simply wheat and soy protein. They aren't any more fillers then are used in regular meat, especially processed meat.
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@allisonhook6101 Look them up and judge them for yourself. I don't fear death. And if he exists, then I believe he'll do that anyways.
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@allisonhook6101 Yes it does. Just look up contradictions in the Bible
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Why? Because thats what we are. Hell thats what everything is on a base level. Most people just aren't honest enough to say it.
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But then people get pissed when victims say the same thing, because they can't understand it.
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@christinagaller4374 I have. So I can only speak for myself.
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Or she died of diabetes. I'm a vegan, and its funny because dairy promotes weight loss actually.
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Thats because plants aren't sentient.
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@yupyee7887 So do bacteria. Plants are not animals and not sentient. So the argument doesn't work...
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@yupyee7887 Plants don't really mate like animals. Only flowering plants reproduce sexually. Many produce asexually.
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@yupyee7887 I...don't think you know how plants reproduce to be honest.
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@MOHAMMED WALI Personally, I don't care. But playong devil's advocate, cats and dogs don't have morality either. Why does eating them carry a 15 year prison sentence?
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He had no social skills. He stated his beliefs as fact and refused to see any other persons point of view. He tried to insinuate what others were without holding any knowledge on the subject. He was an asshole. By the way, you probably are a millennial, so quit stereotyping. Many millennials have social skills.
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Don't be an asshole if you don't want to take criticism.
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No they don't, though I can't tell if you are being sarcastic.
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Depends on the show.
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Just because I choose to be healthy?
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She is also clearly atheist, as the terms are not mutually exclusive.
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@thelastairbenderlol224 No, actually. That is not what she said. What she said is that she did not know whether or not a God exists, but that she did not believe in one. That is the stance of most atheists. You actually need to learn how to listen. Any honest person is agnostic. She stated multiple times that she did not believe in a God.
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I mean, have you read it? I'd be ashamed too.
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Then the argument would be you can get those omega 3's in vegan foods.
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So what about people who can't take contraception or when it fails?
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Its not a good "scare tactic". This has been continuously disproven. Those who are afraid of capital punishment are only those who would never do the crime in the first place. It does NOT deter criminals. There is no reason to hemorrhage money in a system that is ineffective
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He did.
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While I don't agree at all that eating meat is murder, you're lowkey strawmaning the argument. Animals eat other animals because of a nutritional need. You eat other animals because it tastes good. Thats the general "moral" side. You don't need meat.
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Michelle Rukny Abstinence defies human nature. People want to have sex. Scientifically and medically, a fetus is not a child. It's hard to come to terms with something that fundamentally isn't true. A fetus is a potential for life. However, for a time, it is a parasite, completely dependant on its mother. And if that mother is unfit, better to abort when it is not sentient than abuse and neglect when it is.
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@ethanm.2411 Because the collective (and our laws) felt that it was wrong. Its that simple. And no. They as individuals felt as if what they were doing was right. I don't know how much I have to tell you that objective right and wrong do not exist. I can't prove to you morality or abstract concepts like value. You can only prove things in math. If someone places no value on something, then to that individual, Asians would have no value. The doesn't stop them from being protected under the Constitution. I legitimately know people who think I have no value because I'm a disabled woman.
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@i think im schizophrenic No, not really. Having organic cells that are dividing is the definition of life. Plants are alive but have no heartbeat.
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Kinda hard when there's 14,000 denominations
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Because thats a strawman and incomparable argument. One has to do with autonomy rights. One has to do with personal responsibility. Neither parent gets the option of neglecting a child after its born. Also, you make it sound like women don't have to pay child support should the men gain custody. They do.
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Depends on who you ask
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Lizzie Allen Unloved kids and also go on to be very violent and abusive parents. That scenario is generally more likely. A dead child also can't ever do that.
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Only if the vendor selling it to you is a dealer or if you are in a state that restricts private sales.
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As a sexually abused child, I entirely disagree
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@TheTyler701 A. Putting them to death is more expensive and B. Life in prison prevents it from happening again. No one has ever escaped a maximum security prison.
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The 4% is a US statistic, not a worldwide one.
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@youawesome2068 No...? I mean, I don't care if adults want to play in bounce houses. I just understand that capital punishment does nothing.
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You can. The question is should you.
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@pastandsoup I'm a vegan. I don't do things like that. The majority of us don't. We just want you to think a little deeper.
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@pastandsoup No, but that isn't the issue. You have a higher moral compass and no nutritional need for meat.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 Do I personally think its wrong? Yes. However, I know others have different moral standings than I do, and I don't believe in arguing from morality.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 I don't argue or debate from morality.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 What the hell is with the namecalling? Quit assuming things asshole. You always lose when you argue from morality.
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Actually, I tend to find that people who support the death penalty look at from an outsider perspective. If you knew anything about being a victim, a majority of them are anti-death penalty. As a victim, you CANNOT put yourself in my shoes until you understand what I have gone through. I will never punish another innocent family for what their relative did to me. That's not fair. If you don't want someone else to have the joy of being able to move on, then you're a psychopath who isn't capable of understanding how I feel.
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Not wanting to use animals for benefit is not a sign of love?
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@essencehulsinger8982 i understand that. I'm vegan for health reasons too
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Depends on where you live. Murder, by definition, must be unlawful. So if abortion is not unlawful, it cannot be murder. Killing is not always murder.
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Congrats. My mother considered aborting me and was pressured out of it. She neglected me because she had to work. Because of that, I was in a situation where I am now permanently disabled. I wish I had never been born. You don't have an inherent right to life. You have a right to live after birth because a government says you do. 1. Yes, it can be. But some women must. Some women fall in love. Sometimes situations change suddenly. What about instances of condom breakage or failure? 2. Because sex is not just about procreation. Its a hormone treatment. A painkiller. A stress reducer. You claim its not that hard. That is only true for you. Some people find it incredibly hard, and to deny that urge is unhealthy. 3. It is hard to get birth control. Its prescription only. Some women do not have access because they have no insurance and cannot afford to go to an OBGYN. Some women cannot take birth control. And unless you go to a place like Planned Parenthood (who pro-lifers constantly want to demonize) its never free. A prescription of birth control here where I live without insurance is $89. 4. Thats an entire made up myth that has been thoroughly debunked, though I do not doubt that some people would love to use it that way. 5. You don't get free access to things for your baby. There are assisted programs to allow the government to help you, but you have to qualify for them. You have to qualify for food stamps. Guess what happens if you had any kind of drug conviction? Your automatically ineligible for food stamps. 6. Its not about money. Its about someone being responsible. Know whats selfish? Watching a child suffer at the hands of an unfit mother because God forbid she has an abortion.
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@petermyles8096 She punched you in the head? Thats terrible. But guess what? My mother fractured my skull. She broke my spine. She disabled me for the rest of my existence because she could not handle me. Its not that hard to have sex if you are not naturally a sexual person. But not all people are like that. Different people have different levels of libido, and to ignore that is unhealthy. I understand others are different. But YOU are acting like NO ONE feels like this. And to ignore the pain and suffering of people like me is despicable. Perhaps there is, and then there are people who lived through worse and don't wish they lived. Did you know that is some places, they don't even sell condoms in stores? Did you know sometimes condoms break or simply don't work? And when did I ever say that? Legally, it has no rights until after birth. That doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't. Most states have cutoff points for a reason. For me, its sentience. Being responsible it taking preventative measures and when those fail, making the best decision for yourself.
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Not true at all. I'm against the death penalty and pro-choice (because pro-abortion doesn't exist) Its not the same thing. One is a constitutional right and one is simply not beneficial. That doesn't make you a hypocrite. Especially since you can be pro-choice but be anti-abortion.
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@cadillaking9982 Yeah, that applies much more to the religious than to atheists.
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@cadillaking9982 Haha. Thats funny. No, thats the exact opposite.
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IssyFishyy No I don't. I make no claim. I lack a belief in a God. The only person who makes a claim is you.
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@cadillaking9982 Go ahead and show me the evidence for God then, other than your look at the trees fallacy. I'd be more than open the changing my opinion. Because theories have evidence behind them. I never said is disproves God. In fact, I've stated multiple times God could, in fact, exist.
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@cadillaking9982 What's the difference in what? Our beliefs? Science and religion? What are you asking?
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IssyFishyy Parts of the Bible are false. I never said Jesus isn't God. I don't believe Jesus is God, but that's my belief.
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IssyFishyy Like Adam and Eve, the Exodus, and Noah's flood. These things did not happen. They are parables at best.
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Not sure how its convenient in any way, nor how its selfish to realize you are an unfit parent.
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@voicevitality7197 I don't know anyone who feels "unfit" when they have a child. Unprepared is the word you're looking for. Its not selfish to realize you cannot properly care for a child and have an abortion. But thats my opinion.
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@voicevitality7197 You're putting your needs over a non-sentient fetus's development.
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@voicevitality7197 Actually, no its not sentient at the time of most abortions. Since when do we use words by their latin meanings?
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@voicevitality7197 I never said it wasn't human. It is. It's not a baby. Its a fetus. Baby is post utero. Words do have meaning. The meaning of fetus is "the unborn offspring of any mammal". Baby and child are words only used for humans. Most languages take some roots from Latin.
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@voicevitality7197 I didn't destroy my argument though.
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@voicevitality7197 Its not a baby because a baby must be out of utero. If its concieved by two humans then yes, it is a human. Why is this so hard to comprehend? And besides, being human has nothing to do with my support of abortion.
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@voicevitality7197 Just because you can't justify it, doesn't mean I can't. And SCOTUS agrees with me.
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@voicevitality7197 I justify it just fine. Its a necessity at this point in time. Not to mention a right
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@voicevitality7197 They never will, so it doesn't matter.
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@voicevitality7197 Its not. But abortion isn't murder, so...
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@voicevitality7197 I didn't. You are. Because you are excluding the word unlawful. By the way, another problem, a fetus isn't a person.
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@voicevitality7197 No, actually its not. Its a human in terms of physiology. That doesn't make it a person
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@voicevitality7197 If they fit the the description of "person".
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Legumes, nuts, fruits and vegetables are the cheapest food out there, so I'm not sure where you live that is more expensive. That ia certainly not true everywhere. People with allergies are exempt from the moral side of it. Most vegans who are vegan for moral reasons say if you must eat meat to be healthy, do it. But most people don't have that problem.
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@albinsiby7 I mean, you aren't dealing in facts. You're manipulating and lying in order to suit your narrative. I never said it wasn't human. It is. What your doing is calling it a baby and a child, which are both flat out lies and you do that manipulativly in order to guilt people into your side. If you wanna call the rights of people depravity, by all means. Just try and be honest about it.
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That works in monogamous relationships too, you know. Its called step-children.
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Why? We are animals. Animal abuse is a federal crime. They have some status, no?
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@629Ebaby ahh I see. That's what you were saying.
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@xTheBOISx Well to me, humans and animals only differ in cognitive function. I don't think either deserves to be harmed. But I also don't believe life has inherent value so to each their own.
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As if asexual poly people don't exist. Some of us just don't think sex is important to relationship.
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@Rick Walgreen There is, but it works both ways and it just depends on how shitty your boss is.
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@Rick Walgreen He's trying to say that abortion has to do with a women's body, therefore the man has no ultimately no say
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Rights don't begin until whatever the law of the country says. Natural rights do not exist.
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But thats not the issue ethical vegans have
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@aaaaaaaaaa7814 Suffering has nothing to do with IQ. Plants have an IQ of 0, as they lack a brain. Animals with cognition and sentience experience the same emotions as humans, just to a different level.
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@aaaaaaaaaa7814 I don't see how that matters or makes sense.
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@aaaaaaaaaa7814 You are wrong. And why does it matter if they suffer less when they shouldn't have to suffer at all?
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@aaaaaaaaaa7814 I never said that eating meat was murder. The hell did you get that? I don't really care if you eat meat. I'm a vegan for health reasons.
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@misterchronicles5544 That doesn't mean he isn't an atheist. Agnosticism is not a stand alone claim. If I ask someone if they believe in a God, and their answer is anything other than "yes", they're an atheist. Because agnostic as a belief term doesn't exist. Agnostic as a term really doesn't mean anything.
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@misterchronicles5544 Because you're wrong. Thats why you don't want to have an intelligent debate
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@arcticpangolin3090 I don't get it either. I tend to think it has to do with stigma around calling oneself an atheist, especially in a religious environment.
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@honestfriend767 Actually, if you look at the established definition, then no. He was wrong. Not about her being agnostic, but about trying to replace atheist with agnostic. These terms are not mutually exclusive. Moat are both, and "agnostic" as a term is redundant, because anyone who is honest is agnostic. No where in the definition of an atheist does it mention the supernatural, and many theists are also agnostic.
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You can be loyal and having a trusting relationship with more than one person. No, polyamory isn't cheating, and if you're a decent parent, it doesn't damage children any more than cheating in a monogamous relationship, or divorce does. I have 2 children and am happily in a polyamorous relationship. Both of my children are thriving.
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@childoficarus5334 Hell yeah. Especially when you have twins that have exact OPPOSITE personalities.
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Depends on who you ask
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@kylelipp3170 No. I make that choice for myself. But thats not the issue.
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@SydLane I can make that choice for a fetus that is using my uterus and violating my right to bodiky autonomy. No, there is no such thing as a pain free life. But theree's a difference between a painful life and a torturous life. Its certainly possible to predict through education what kind of life a person will have based on parental situation. My point is that death is not the worst thing, yet both of you treat it as if it is.
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@kylelipp3170 No, its not. I make the decision for my body and anything that goes on inside it barring infringing on rights.
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Lizzie Allen And never once did I say that I agree with that. If you're doing drugs in your own home, thats none of my business
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Lizzie Allen Taking drugs isn't illegal. Selling and possessing them is. Thats why its called "possession with intent to distribute".
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@jenpetersen6671 A non sentient parasitic being.
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There's a difference between being genuinely curious and open to discussion, and pretending that the facts are on your side and that correlation equals causation. If you also look up her social media page, she is one of these people who believe vaccines cause autism and SIDS. That is rhetoric that absolutely deserves to be met with contention.
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Why is that? That doesn't sound hypocritical to you? I don't care what you eat, I'm just genuinely curious.
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@disguisedpickle1360 And I value my cat the same way. My cat has helped me in those same ways.
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@disguisedpickle1360 Thats fine. You have your dogs and I have my cats
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I just love this mentality of 'I don't need a gun defend myself' Guess what? Someday you might. Just because you don't have guns doesn't mean your safe. I don't feel threatened in the states. "I know nobody will try to use one on me" No. You don't know that. You just believe that.
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@ratofvengence And France has one of the HIGHEST gun ownerships in the world. I wonder why that is. By the way, why do you assume all homicides in the US are caused by guns? They're not.
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@ratofvengence I'm guessing you got that information from Wikipedia, because France was 15th in gun ownership in 2018. And that makes up a very small percentage of "gun crime" in the US. Don't live here? Don't have a say.
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Milking a cow is actually incredibly painful for the animal, but thats mainly because a cow will only produce milk after birth. You're essentially forcing a cow to birth, taking her calf away, and miliking her way more often then a calf would nurse. I know there are some smaller farms that actually still milk the old fasioned way, which isn't painful. But factory farms use machines.
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Commitment to anyone is a testament to love. You can be committed to two people when they understand and consent.
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Animals eats other animals because they have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not. God has not been proven to exist. The argument is you don't need meat. Most people at least.
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@whatzittooyah I was not trying to prove you wrong. Its just not a valid argument because God may not exist. I was simply giving you the argument vegans use. There's plenty of reasons to go vegan. Its healthier, in general. Its better for the environment. And, to me, its more ethical.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 I choose not to eat meat because its healthier for me. I think its hypocritical to put someone in prison for killing a dog but pigs are fine. If you want to be vegan, go for it. If you don't then don't.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 What question to you want an answer to?
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@brolyistheweakest6498 It's not a claim, it's simply a fact. The majority of the population do not need to eat meat for survival like predatory animals. We have no nutritional need for meat.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 I was rebutting to the original commented as to why the "animals eat other animals" argument is not a good argument. Its not that it can be. It is.
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@brolyistheweakest6498 No. That is an argument. Its just a moral argument. You don't need to eat meat, so why should it be acceptable to slaughter animals for their meat? I'm not personally trying to prove anything. I'm giving you an argument that vegans will from a moral perspective. Why you didn't pick up on this before is beyond me.
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I completely agree it shouldn't be mandatory. But in saying that, they also shouldn't be allowed to put other children at risk. Being vaccinated doesn't protect you from getting the disease. It protects you from that disease overwhelming your body and developing the nasty complications that come with you. Anti-vaxxers are also vectors for a virus to mutate. If that happens, no one becomes safe. Its not "random fluid". You can literally Google or ask the doctor precisely whats in that vaccine. The flu is a virus that happens to mutate easily. Again, a vaccine is designed to protect you from the complications, not the virus itself.
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Why?
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@simonaivancic528 I understand you aren't an atheist. But if you say you aren't agnostic, that makes you a liar. No, God has given no evidence. And even the evidence you commonly point to wouldn't prove your God. Just a God. The brain is what gave me free will. The Bible is a disgusting piece of garbage full of historical fiction. I bet I, as an atheist, have read the Bible more than you have. No actually. Taking an unbiased step back was what made me leave religion. Because without bias, God did not hold up to scrutiny. I have nor need a God.
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Not necessarily. Private sellers sell at shows as well, and do not have to perform a background check. I've never had a background check at a show.
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@shawnboahene5231 Science does not say the fetus is a person at the time of most abortion. Human does not equal person. Human deals with biology. Personhood deals with philosophy.
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@Gaby-ep9cc Life begins for the fetus ay implantation of the fertilized egg. But being alive doesn't make someone a person. Sentience makes someone a person. Science tells you what your biological sex is, but has nothing to do with gender or gender identity. That's a culture thing. So no, no one is trying to change Science.
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@scottp7256 Except there is no research that proves that. In fact, the research shows that juvenile arthritis is genetic.
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@scottp7256 Yes I have. And sure, there are studies that support a link. There are many more, far more credible sources, that points to a genetic cause. I am not discounting those outliers. I am simply saying as of this time, there is no confirmed link between vaccines and arthritis in juveniles.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Nope. Pro-life: opposing abortion and euthanasia. Period. End of story. If you don't oppose abortion in all circumstances, then you don't oppose it, and are therefore not pro-life. When your belief's go against facts and definitions, its a problem. Its like calling abortion "murder". Its not what the word means. You can literally say "I'm against abortion in nearly all cases." Don't call it something it isn't.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I don't have an ego at all. Quite the opposite. In real life, I suffer with self worth issues, but that's not the point. I don't care what people's beliefs are. I care about people changing the definitions of words to suit their narrative. This even applies to people I agree with. It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. If they have exceptions, then they aren't pro-life by definition. That's like someone saying "I'm not homophobic, but I don't believe gays should be allowed to marry and adopt." Ben Shapiro is a moron, but yes. If he was against abortion except in cases of medical/rape/incest (which unless that view has changed recently, he's against abortion in those circumstances as well. Or at least he used to be) then I would tell him he was pro-choice. The same as if someone was against abortion but supported death with dignity. You do not get to change the definitions of words to try and suit a narrative.
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Depends on who you buy it from.
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Because milk and eggs are terrible for your health. At least for me personally.
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@HateIsPowerWithAPricetag For me personally, they cause bloating, heart murmurs and terrible diarrhea. But thats just me. My mother is perfectly healthy and loves milk.
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Humans are actually classified as frugivores.
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Plants don't feel. They lack a nervous system. Ethical vegans have a problem with the hypocrisy of the animal hierarchy and using sentient beings when we don't need to.
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@sujinlee3361 Plants are incapable of feeling. Feeling requires a nervous system and a brain. To compare the chemical reactions of the plants to pain is asinine. Lack of meat is not unhealthy. Meat is the number one reason for heart disease. However, meat in moderation is fine. You do not need supplements to be healthy on a vegan diet. This has been throughly.
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@sujinlee3361 And you are using the term pain and feelings incorrectly as neither of these things are possible without a brain and CNS. Yes, some do emit distress signals. Algae and fungi do too. But to conflate that with a type of pain is absurd. Its not a scream. Its a distress signal caused by chemical reactions. Entirely mechanical.
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I am so glad you have no say in our legal system. You are seriously fucked up.
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Pick up a dictionary.
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I am anti-death penalty because aside from an emotional fallacy, there is no logical reason to have one. Its more expensive, its not a deterrent, it does not lower crime rate and there's no risk of you killing an innocent person.
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So you're a hypocrite who preaches that life is precious but still supports circumstantial abortion. This isn't an insult, but I think that weakens your argument. Congrats. She was one of the lucky ones. Not everyone has that luck. The foster care and adoption system do need more support. Qe agree there.
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@supremeangel_5381 I don't believe anyone is truly pro-life. It doesnt have to be complicated.
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@scottpe6226 It could. And if thats the case, she should be medically exempt. I'm not above admitting vaccines can and do cause harm.
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@worlore1651 Yes. Because they are. Anxiety, depression and OCD being the most common.
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There is also no value in killing them.
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@michael-k. Its not murder unless its unlawful.
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You have no understanding as to what cheating is. You can't cheat if your partner accepts and is aware of the other person. And what does polyamory have to do with autism?
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Keenan Gilker Probably because you are a Christian.
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They're not mutually exclusive. Most atheists are agnostic.
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Not in most states if the sale is private.
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"True Christianity" does not exist. If you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and believe the God of the Bible is the Almighty God, you are a Christian. Period.
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@ndubankulukusa2228 That's called a "no true scotsman fallacy". You don't even have to believe the Bible to be a Christian.
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@ndubankulukusa2228 Sure. That's better. No actually. No where in the definition of a Christian does one need to believe in the Bible. Some parts, sure. Like Jesus being a messiah and his entire story. The Bible is proof of nothing. Its a book of fables and myths with some history sprinkled in.
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@ndubankulukusa2228 If its disrespectful, than I'm sorry you find the truth disrespectful. That's what it is. It doesn't have to be a history book, or even the word of a God for your God to exist. Especially considering the atrocities in it.
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Thats not a lie more as it is a misunderstanding of the actual laws. The truth is, some gunshows don't perform background checks. But that occurs because the show itself is run by private sellers, as opposed to an FFL dealer. And this also depends on where you live.
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Depends on where you fall.
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Mayra Hernandez No, most atheists are agnostic. In fact, everyone is, or should be, agnostic. An atheist simply lacks a belief in a God or gods. Atheism does not apply to the supernatural as a whole. I know many atheists who believe in spirits. That's probably because a majority of the population is Christian. And yeah, they shouldn't care as long as you're not trying to influence others or laws. Atheists have problems with all religions when it's forced on them. Christanity just happens to be the majority.
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No, I doubt it
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Actually, he is. And his medical license is on the verge of being revoked because of it.
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An infant can exist without its mother. Just not without a guardian.
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agy k. Ever think of women who can't take the pill, nor take the morning after pill?
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agy k. Because they're are people like me who have blood clotting and hypertension problems and cannot take birth control or the morning after pill because of the risk for fatal complications.
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agy k. Probably because sex is human nature. I would rather a fetus be aborted than be abused and neglected by unfit parents
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agy k. Because a majority of parents get an abortion because they aren't physically, emotionally or financially ready to care for a child. So what happens when you force them to have that child? They neglect it. Not having sex defies human nature. A fetus is not sentient and cannot feel, nor live without the host mother. I would hope it would be the absolute last resort, but it happens for a reason.
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...Nope. it didn't benefit society any more than putting him in prison.
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No, he tried to tell her what she meant before she finished.
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It's not a rumor. It depends on whether you're buying it from a citizen or a dealer.
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Simple answer. Those creatures that feed on crops have natural predators. If you can't find a way to protect your crops, which you could,let the predators do what they do. Nothing should be bred to be slaughtered
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Not all
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Actually, there is. States without the death penalty and those that focus efforts on rehabilitation have LOWER crime rates.
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The Bible is certainly not pro-life.
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@laurathomson6782 What truth? You haven't even established a God exists. But if it is the Christian God, he's not pro-life.
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@laurathomson6782 I can't have a relationship with a dead carpenter and a being who has never been proven to exist. Please come back to reality.
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@laurathomson6782 I did read the entire Bible. In fact, I've probably read it more than you have. The difference is, I stepped out of religion and read it with an unbiased view to prove God was real. Know what it did? It made me an atheist. I don't have to ignore your comment just because I disagree, especially when it spreads a harmful rhetoric. You can praise him all you want. Doesn't make him real.
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No, its not true. While its true atheists do not believe in a God, the definition mentions nothing about the supernatural. I know many atheists who believe in ghosts or the loch ness monster. An agnostic is a person that claims a God cannot be known. Its a stance of knowledge. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Its a stance of belief. Many times, people are both.
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There are plenty of gunshows that allow you to purchase firearms just for money. Most gunshows I'm familiar with are private sales, which require no background checks nor a bill of sale.
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Yes. Polyamory is not. And its illegal because of the benefits marriage grants someone.
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As someone who has been to many gunshows and is very pro-gun, the "gun show loophole" just refers to the ability to buy a gun at a show without a background check. And it exists. It just isn't a loophole nor is it restricted to shows
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@squatguy315 Not always. My state doesn't have concealed weapons permits. Its considered a private sale, which do not have mandatory background checks.
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@mirelvtl8830 Yes. I am one of the ones who believe in reality and understand that a majority of the Bible is fiction. So no, I'm not interested in your facticious book of nonsense.
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Awww no they're not.
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@oliviasabella9034 Nothing happens to a baby. A non-sentient human fetus development is terminated.
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@kickzeez22. No. Baby, literally and medically, only refers to post-utero. I am well aware it is a stage, but baby is an inaccurate term for a child in utero. That literally does not happen. Whether or not you believe propaganda is up to you. Later term abortions (those past about 25 weeks) are nearly exclusively performed for medical necessity. I'm assuming the bill you're referring to is the one passed in New York that allows abortions up until birth. Have you actually read that bill? Because it doesn't say what you think it does. You don't have to believe it. You're just wrong. Baby is post utero. Fetus is in utero. Those are just the correct terms. Doesn't make it less human.
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@kickzeez22. It doesn't contradict anything. It is human. Its also a clump of cells. All organic matter is clumps of cells at a base level. I can't speak for New Zeland. I just know where I stand.
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@kickzeez22. Well, since it isn't illegal, it isn't murder. So that phrase is off. If you're asking how I justify killing a human fetus, its because I place the value on life in quality, and not life itself.
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@kickzeez22. That's only your opinion. I don't think children deserve to be mentally and physically tortured. I don't think death at an age when one cannot feel is worse than torment. You cannot miss something you never had. Again, I don't believe life has inherent value. That's my personal belief. Yes, I do think death is better than torture. As someone who will have lifelong disabilities because of absuive parents, I would have rather never been born at all. I never said the couldn't live a happy life. That's just statistically not probable. How about all the people who scream that they wish they were aborted because they are now in prison or homeless? How about the 26% of those in foster care who commit suicide? To only focus on the RARE success stories is shitty and ignorant. Marylin Monroe is a poor example. She died of a barbiturate overdose because of her circumstances. Many believe this was suicide. It is not unconditional in my opinion.
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@kickzeez22. I don't really care if they're hurt by what I said. They ARE actually the rare cases. I would be hurt at the fact that they would tell me to be grateful I'm alive, even though my life has been mostly just suffering. Perspective matters. That's fine that you disagree. I can't convince you of that. It is human. I just don't view abortion as a moral issue.
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That may be because actual vegans (non dietary) abstain from all animal products, including clothing.
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You can be in love wirh multiple people.
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@rachel-zy9sr Yes you can.
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Everyon is, or should be, agnostic. She was an agnostic. She was also an atheist.
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Nice Memes I should respect a religion that tells me I deserve death. I choose to respect the people who don't interpret it litteraly, but I shouldn't have to respect the belief.
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LaurenSimøne We don't. We debate Christians because they hate us most if the time. When you let your religion try to dictate laws, people are going to get involved. Your freedom of religion is also my freedom from religion.
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Angelina Parker No, it's called being an infuriating asshole who doesn't know the difference between belief and facts and who can't accept that some people's views differ from his.
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The less people buy meat, the less meat gets produced. Ethical vegans feel good with themselves that they are not contributing financially to the businesses that, in their eyes, exploit animals.
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Abortion is not unlawful, and is therefore not murder.
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@madi5062 Murder by definition is unlawful. Abortion is not unlawful, therefore is not murder. That is not an opinion. That's a fact.
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@madi5062 Or perhaps the people who made abortion lawful understand science and the biological difference between a baby and a fetus. Fine. Then you should have to pay for the children for 18 years. So how much you support it then. I highly doubt you will ever consider adoption or fostering a child.
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Not if you do the diet properly.
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That also may depend on where you live.
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@Orinoco Flow Uh-huh. Well I'm an atheist. Ask me anything you want.
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@Orinoco Flow In all honesty, I don't know. This is one of the problems I have with Christianity. The 14,000 denominations.
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@Orinoco Flow Once again, as long as you believe in the God of the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the savior you ARE a Christian. You cherry pick the Bible as well, because you would be in prison right now if you didn't. You're also talking to an atheist. Remember that. I don't believe in the monstrous God of the Bible, nor do I believe in his miracle bringing carpenter child.
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Why does my and my partners happiness make you so upset?
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Plants are not sentient. The issue is sentience, not life.
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Easy answer? Statistics.
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@blazeovich You're argument "could find the cure to cancer" is nonsense. There is statistically no way to do that without access to things a child needs to grow and develop. Statistically, children who grow up in abusive situations either die to their abuser, commit suicide, or end up in prison. Death is certainly not the worst thing. Especially when you don't comprehend life.
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I think the old man was being an ass. No wonder the atheists were angry
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Yes it is. But thats not the argument.
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Well, a majority of the population has mental illness so...
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Its not that it isn't a person. Its that at the time of most abortions, its not a sentient person. And I believe you probably are still pro-choice by definition.
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Lizzie Allen Then I would still be pro-choice because I don't think abortion is a moral issue. Its a legal/rights issue. I could grant you the premise that abortion is evil, and still argue its a necessary evil.
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@wiggawithattitude Then I could just give you the trapping burning building arguement in which, by your own logic, you would be a monster either way. Its not a moral issue. No one argues that we wish abortion didn't happen. Its a legal matter of whether or not it should be available. Also sentience does matter. Doctors take people off life support and have slow codes. We put people to death. We send soldiers off to war. Humankind has never cared about death. You show me a fetus that can develop its "own body" without a uterus and tube. That it grow its "own body" on its own without taking nutrition from another source. You know what we call that in science? A parasite. Life is a right. So is liberty. And your rights do not trump anothers and vice versa. Stop elevating life above anything else.
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@wiggawithattitude Because thats biologically what they are. You are the one who takes a term and gives it a negative stigma, not me. For some, being pregnant brings a lot of benefit, especially mentally. That doesn't detract from truth. I have 2 children of my own. I love them more than anything. By the way, a fetus does thrive at cost to the mother. That is why neonatal care is so important. That fetus takes vital nutrients, and I have seen more than one case of pregnant mothers with severe nutritional deficiencies because they were pregnant. Liberty was literally defined as "the autonomy of oneself". You have a right to your organs. Just as a doctor cannot just take organs from people, a fetus cannot take a woman's uterus without her consent. That is a violation of her liberty. Perhaps it is you who should look into it more. This is why the Supreme Court ruled the way it did. All rights are equal. Life is NOT above other rights.
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Whether or not they deserve it should not give us license to do it. It isnt practical. That's why prison exists.
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@Furylamb Prison is always enough. People like you who want to make it about revenge are the reason its "not enough". If a law provides no benefit to society, it shouldn't exist.
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@ashchong "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". That applies to the mother as well. A fetus's "right to life" does not override the mothers "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". A non-sentient fetus has no legal rights. You are trying to put rights of the fetus above the rights of the mother. And that will never be law.
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Eh. I mean it is, its just not a loophole. Its just how private sales work in most states.
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@Billie_Marie_ That was my whole point. Private sales do occur at gun shows, and because there is no loophole, there is no issue. Gun shows are not stores. You do not have to have an FFL to sell at a show, unless they state your in (or the property the show is on) demands it. I'm not anti gun. I'm pro-gun. I'm just clearing up misinformation
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@ashchong A non-sentient fetus. So what?
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@ashchong Because it is not my choice what someone chooses to do with their body. Because consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. And because I have first hand seen the damage done to children born to unfit parents. I have personally seen the adoption and foster care system. You don't save anyone by outlawing abortions. You should have a right to choice, which includes abstinence, birth control, adoption or abortion.
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@ashchong A fetus cannot consent. It has no legal rights. Someone should have the right to die if they so choose. Adoption should be considered, but you speak as if its a guarantee that the child will be adopted into a loving family. That is not reality. Also, you have made it clear you do not know how abortions are performed nowadays.
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@ashchong No. Not even close. A fetus isn't sentient. It lacks a brainstem at the time of most abortions. A fetus cannot decide. It is not independent of its parent. You are killing a living being. So what? You do that every day.
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@ashchong When did I ever say it wasn't human?
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@ashchong I have no problem. You have the problem as you are the one who has a problem with abortion being an option.
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I don't see arrogance. I see irritation.
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@andyscott15 Thats because your biased.
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@andyscott15 But I'm not. I have no horse in the race.
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@andyscott15 Because at one time, I was. I am no longer, though I don't have a problem with those who are. My husband is Christian. And I don't comment against everything. I comment against people I disagree with because I enjoy hearing other perspectives.
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Depends on where you live.
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@briankerstiens3550 And most vegans don't care. Sorry that you've only heard from the extremists.
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I don't care what you eat but...what? That makes no sense. Humans are absolutely replaceable.
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@claudiafernandes2173 Getting a new dog does not "replace" the dog you lost anymore than losing a human. When your mother goes, you have people that will treat you just ss she did.
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Pretty rich considering the Bible is EXTREMELY pro-choice.
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@hannahbanana0466 Would you like specific verses? I'm sure you'll find a way to explain ALL these, as thats what you people do. But here: pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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That just makes the struggles of life seem completely arbitrary and God a monster.
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No its not. Whether or not its a person makes no difference. Its not sentient. The mother can't care for it. She doesn't consent to it using her body. Thats her choice.
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I hope you're joking.
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So show me how a fetus can develop without the use of a uterus.
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@ironbeast4247 It is a cluster of cells. All organic life is. And your argument fails. Without an engine, an airplane doesn't exist just as without a host mother, a fetus doesn't exist.
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Because that would be a strawman argument. If you don't care for a child you helped bring into the world, yet reap all of the benefits from being a parent legally, you are a dead beat. Man or woman. Ultimately, both parties should talk. But one of the noted reasons a woman will choose an abortion is because the man walks out. He should be part of the conversation, but he does not have final say.
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Really? I'm not even going into traditional medicine, and I have had 4 semesters of immunology and pharmacology. Including a whole 16 week course only on vaccines. Try actually going to medical school.
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@jacobsecrist728 They don't "want" to live. They are incapable of "wanting" anything. You cannot miss what you mever had.
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@jacobsecrist728 Blind and deaf people have sentience. Fetuses do not.
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IssyFishyy Birth is not the default. Birth is just the expectation.
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@jacobsecrist728 That fetuses don't have sentience? They lack a brain until a certain point. You can't have sentience wkthour a brain.
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IssyFishyy Nothing is the default. If birth was the default, miscarriages wouldn't happen.
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IssyFishyy You do realize that miscarriages are actually quite common right? Sometimes the body will miscarry before a woman knows she's pregnant. Its actually quite natural.
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IssyFishyy Miscarriages are also natural. That was my point. Yes, birth is an expectation. That doesn't mean it will occur. There is no such thing as the "default".
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IssyFishyy Just because they're used interchangeably doesn't make them correct. And even if it did, that doesn't change the fact that this isn't a moral issue. I can go ahead and grant you the premise that abortion is immoral, and still argue for it to remain legal.
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IssyFishyy No I can make a rational argument for it being legal, seperate from the emotional "morality". I personally don't like debating anyone on morality, because its emotional and fallacious. There are rational reasons why we don't outlaw abortion, just as there are rational reasons why we do outlaw murder. Theft is a gray area to me
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Ethics and morality are subjective.
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Many conservatives identify as Christians.
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Lizzie Allen Except they do.
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I have never been anywhere in the united states where vaccines are not free.
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Erasto Gender is determined by social constructs. Personally, gender and sex really only "matter" when it comes to relationships.
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Go to North Korea then.
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Atheists are the ones who can't see past their human frailties? Says the person who needs a sky daddy and a promise of paradise to make it through life.
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Humans are also animals. Perhaps people find it hypocritical that we are on a pedestal when the only difference is cognition.
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@HJ-ju1dn For me, not personally. But I completely understand why you would. I simply don't think I have inherent value.
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Bob Sears also is at risk of losing his medical license for bullshitting medical exemptions.
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Most people don't seem to.
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There are many factors that determine your gender. Estrogen and testosterone are in both males and females. Educate yourself, perhaps.
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@kregalis You don't develop autism. You develop the symptoms usually around the time you get vaccinated. You are either born with autism or your not. That is a fact. New diseases emerge with time. Viruses mutate. By the way, all vaccines are optional. Oh, and nearly every place in the US give vaccines for free. Nearly all ingredients in vaccines are things you naturally consume in food and water. They are safe. However, like all medications, they can have side effects. Here's a quick little fact. The odds of developing seizures because of the mmr vaccine are 1 in 3000. The odds of developing encephalitis, which is fatal if left untreated and can result in permenant brain damage, after getting infected with measles is 1 in 400. Are those risks worth it? Up to you. But don't spread misinformation.
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Because they are. You can be polyamorous or monogamous, and still be in healthy, committed, long lasting relationships.
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No second chance does not equate to death
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People are actually psychopathic are a minor percent of those in prison.
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Except, that isn't true. Private vendors often sell at shows, and have no obligation to perform a background check. You're right that the gunshow loophole doesn't exist, but not for the reasons you think.
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@thadolivetti8362 A private vendor is anyone who does not hold an FFL. In most states, a sale of a firearm between two private parties (i.e. not a dealer) is considered a private sale. Private sales are under no federal law to perform a background check. These sellers can be anywhere including at shows. Buying from them at a show means you can legally buy a firearm without a background check. You only need to provide proof that you are a state resident. I have purchased all of my guns at shows. I have never had a background check because my sales were private, and therefore, has no legal requirements for a background check.
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@thadolivetti8362 Thats not the case for the majority, which is why I pointed it out to you. 38 out of 50 states do not require a background check on private sales. Thats 76% of the country.
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@thadolivetti8362 Absolutely agree
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Catholics are the largest sect of Christianity. No one cares about your no true scotsman.
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Sounds like we should gun down all military then.
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Roberto Michel-Rios So were the Christians
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Its because of the vaccines man. They're eating your brain.
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@mattmroz2182 I know right. They were right the whole time. The man wants to inject us with neurotoxins.
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But then difference for me is that I don't indirectly finance the deaths of those animals.
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@travisjohnson7065 Right and wrong are entirely subjective. You may not have thought slavery was wrong had you been born in a different era. I can grant you that abortion is wrong, but can also make a case that forced pregnancy is wrong. Pro-choice also doesn't just apply to abortions. Very few people are ACTUALLY pro-life.
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@travisjohnson7065 Just because morality is subjective does not mean you can't complain. And you're right. It wouldn't be objectively wrong. Nothing in nature shows us killing is wrong. Its wrong because our moral framework (which can be objective from a societal perspective) says it is. We then apply our own subjective morals to this framework. That doesn't suddenly make it objective. Slavery isn't objectively wrong. It's wrong TO YOU. That is YOUR subjective opinion. If the moral framework around you changed, that sense of morality may or may not change with it. Just because you don't believe it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If you hinder someone from doing something, you are forcing them. Just because something is a biological function doesn't mean anything. Cancer is a biological in nature. Everyone has cancer cells. That doesn't mean someone should not seek help when its causing a problem. It can be morally wrong. But only if your subjective morality says it is. Just as my morality says that abortion isn't inherently wrong nor something that should be forbidden. No. Life is equal to liberty.
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@Great Gatsby No it isn't.
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@Great Gatsby No, it isn't. You understand that pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion, yes?
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@Great Gatsby The position is not pro-abortion. That would be advocating for women to immediately have an abortion. Pro-choice is about letting a woman have a choice in her body INCLUDING abortion. Legally, an unborn child has no rights. Morally, we can argue that all day, which I believe we have done. Also, I don't know what kind of "personal gratification" you think a woman gets from having an abortion.
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Minty Bear That fetus is a parasite to me and NEEDS me to survive. So it is part of my body. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't do with my body. It isn't about life. It's about sentience. I would rather an unfit mother abort a fetus than birth a child she then abuses and neglects
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Minty Bear Guess what? Until it can fuction biologically without the help of another being, it is a parasite. It's physically attached to my uterus. So it is a part of my body until it develops it's own. Murder, by definition, is unlawful. So no, abortion is not murder. Again, it's not a child at the time of an abortion. It's a fetus.
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Minty Bear 9 months is not soon. I don't believe in later term abortions, but if a mother is unfit, I would rather her abort it when it isn't sentient than abuse it when it is.
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Brendan Gallagher The fetuses heart does not beat independently from it's mother until between 11 and 12 weeks. Some can't even hear a heartbeat at all until that time. It's not about life. It's about sentience. If you HAD any compassion for the child, you would be pro choice. You would want it to grow up in a healthy, loving, and stable environment. So no. You don't give a shit. You couldn't care less what a child has to go through, so long as it's born. Maybe your opinion would change if you had kids and young teens who's lives are now ruined telling you every day "I want to die" "Kill me" and "I wish I had been aborted."
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Brendan Gallagher If you honestly think that the majority of unloved or abused kids get to live life to the fullest and love it, you're living in a fantasy. Sorry, but it's not that rosy. A majority of children exposed to this end up in prison or dead. You also shouldn't get to make they choice if they live. There are people out there who want to die.
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Brendan Gallagher You do, but you can only do so much.
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Adoption isn't always an option. Stop pretending it is. Glad you weren't traumatized by that experience and had people that supported you. Not everyone is that lucky.
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Depends on the state actually. Unless purchasing from a dealer, all you need to buy a gun legally is a state issued ID. No special license, no background check.
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+Ryan Coker I have. Though I'm not sure if you have. A disbelief in God is not the same as a belief that there is no God.
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Probably because then the pro-death penalty side would have no argument.
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@adriandussault6941 I have never met a pro-choice person that circumcised their son. Circumcision tends to be a religious thing, and the religious tend to be pro-life. I get the feeling you're bullshitting to try and make a point.
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@StormChaserJ A non-sentient fetus' "right to life" (something it doesn't have until 20 weeks, which I even agree is too late) does not supersede a woman's right to bodily autonomy, pursuit of happiness, or consent.
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@StormChaserJ Because I try to be the least hypocritical I can be. I acknowledge that being alive isn't valuable compared to being able to experience, think and feel subjectively. I destroy life every day, but try very hard to protect sentient creatures. Double edged sword.
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@king_julian327 Really.
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No, not really. But some cops certainly shouldn't be cops, and they make everyone else look bad.
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Because sex is a natural process that involves more than reproduction, and to deny that want is unhealthy. Abortion is taking accountability, just as is motherhood and adoption.
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Snow Flake Show me a fetus that is a seperate individual with separate DNA that doesn't need to attach to a woman' uterus in order to develop and you might have an argument. Without the direct use of a woman's body, a fetus cannot exist. Quit elevating life above the other rights.
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Because you don't in all cases.
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@Momentswithbubba96 You can be in a commitment to more than a singular person. Falling in love with multiple consenting people does not mean you have a commitment issue. That's lunacy. Being unfaithful means you have a commitment issue. It literally has nothing to do with greed.
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@Momentswithbubba96 That's your subjective opinion, and that's no different than saying being with the same sex is wrong. Its bigotry.
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@Momentswithbubba96 No it isn't. You believe its wrong for consenting adults to do what makes them and their partners happy. That is no different. No one is hurt in a consenting polyamorous relationship anymore than someone is hurt in a same-sex relationship.
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@Momentswithbubba96 If no harm is done in a relationship between consenting adults, then to take issue with their relationship strictly on type is bigotry. You cannot legally marry multiple people. That doesn't mean that a second partner is any less valued as a partner than the husband or wife. You have no reason to find it wrong other than you don't like it. Thats the same argument thrown at the LGBTQ+ community.
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The atheist did not say there was no God. She said she didn't believe in a God, especially one that would condone domestic violence.
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Cannibalism is the eating flesh of the same species. Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy.
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@rapidriver7504 No, not usually. And even if you do get a surgical abortion, that doesn't make it cannibalism. Cannibalism is the consumption of (in our case) human flesh. That ha NOTHING to do with abortion.
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@rapidriver7504 I have. Multiple times. And I doubt you understand how most abortions are performed now. Just because it messed your friend up doesn't mean it affects everyone like that.
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Most people in the comments are misinformed about gun shows and don't actually understand the difference between federal and state laws/dealer and private gun sales.
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Less than 5% of those vegetables go towards human consumption. The vast majority or agriculture goes to livestock feed. Fact.
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@briand3029 Its being romantically, emotionally, physically and/or sexually in love with more than one person. Its simply about how many people you fall in love with. There's no problem with not understandingz especially when your brain doesn't work that way. Youtube has some great videos on polyamory.
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@briand3029 Wait, when did I insult you? Nothing I said was insulting. I had a mature conversation. I'm not offended at all. I don't understand.
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So how about people who are pro-choice because they were failed abortions and know the struggles of growing up in a completely disturbed and broken home? How about those who's lives are so awful that they wish they had been aborted?
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@bosnia7429 But they may not want to experience life. You could make the argument that isn't a choice either.
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@bosnia7429 No, women who are not prepared for a child should NOT be forced to have them.
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@dennyd.j8705 To deny the bodies urges is incredibly unhealthy.
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Being agnostic has nothing to do with belief. Agnosticism is the knowledge that the existence of a God cannot be known. Everyone should be agnostic. Agnosticism and Theism/Atheism are not mutually exclusive terms.
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For someone who gets upset because all of us supposedly tell you what to eat, its quite disturbing that you want to see me dead just because of what I choose to eat.
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Just because one thinks a person doesn't deserve a second chance doesn't mean that opinion is universal or correct. This is why we don't agure from feelings.
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As a vegan, that is not a friend. Veganism is a personal decision, and its not the right choice for everyone. Anyone who gives you an ultimatum is a manipulator, not a friend.
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That isn't true. In fact, your digestive system is ill-equipped for handling meat, which is why large amounts of meat cause digestive issues. And soybeans contain more protein per ounce than beef. Find what suits you.
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2fast2block The problem with you is you equate existence with creation. If, for something to exist, it had to have been created, then what created God? The world is simply proof of the world's existence. You don't need to be creation into it. Otherwise the same rules have to apply to your deity.
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You are not an obligate omnivore. You don't require meat to be healthy. I'm not sure why your fine with vegetarians if this is your argument. They aren't omnivorous either, as they don't eat meat. Only difference is they eat eggs and dairy.
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Doctorate. Doctorate degree.
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It's not a rumor, but it's also not a loophole. Theres just no background check on private sales.
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@theskull6037 The "gun show loophole" refers to the ability to buy a gun from private sellers at gun shows without a background check. This is a legal and real thing. So it isnt really a loophole.
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@theskull6037 I know what your talking about. It doesn't make them correct in describing it.
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@theskull6037 There is no background check on private sales in most states, so in s sense, she was right. Politicians never tell the truth
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@theskull6037 Yes it is. Private citizens often sell and trade at gun shows
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@d23sanders Depends on who you're buying it from. Many private sellers trade and sell at gun shows and there is no background check in most states on private sales.
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So yes. It is just a cluster of cells. Thats what all organic matter is.
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Well, humans are animals as well. So equating myself with one just makes sense. I just have a higher level of cognition.
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I don't think life is the question at all. You take life every day. It comes down to sentience, sapience, rights, and inherent value.
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@mudcuvmakskcocoksjwjshs8155 In a literal sense? From conception. In a philosophical sense? When sentience is achieved.
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@mudcuvmakskcocoksjwjshs8155 No, because murder has an established definition. Taking of human life is not inherently murder.
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@mudcuvmakskcocoksjwjshs8155 Killing. If its UNLAWFUL, that would be murder.
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@mudcuvmakskcocoksjwjshs8155 It is in certain circumstances. War, capital punishment, abortion, self defense.
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@ethanm.2411 Sentient human beings, yeah.
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@ethanm.2411 Comatose people are sentient. Unless you mean comatose as in brain dead. In which I personally see no reason to keep them alive.
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@ethanm.2411 But it is. Just because they can't respond doesn't mean they can't think or feel subjectively. This occurs as long as the brain is still fuctioning. I have the exact definition you do. All a coma is is the brain being in such a state that it cannot arouse physical conciousness. This can be for a myraid of reasons. People have sentience as long as the brain functions.
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That's an unsubstantiated generalization.
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Gun control does not work.
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@aelita3870 I agree with you on some of those points. We do have a failed government. But we don't have nearly the shootings people claim, and they always take place in gun free zones. We certainly don't fail as a country, or people wouldn't die trying to get here.
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No it isn't. Its ridiculous to have the death penalty.
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It doesn't have different DNA. It's 99% similar to its parents. And its YOUR BODY because the only reason for its formation is the USE of YOUR BODY. A fetus does not develop outside a womb. You seem to know very little about genetics. The argument isn't based on life. We place no value on life as a general subject. We place value on sentient life. The fetus doesn't care. So why do you?
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Other than B12, which can be gotten in fortified milks, there is nothing that can't be gotten in a vegan diet.
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Please go to Saudi Arabia. You'd be so much more welcomed over there.
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Not if its purchased privately.
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@joshwhite1606 I mean if the gun is being purchased from a private seller as opposed to an FFL licensed dealer.
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@joshwhite1606 No its not. If a private citizen sells you a gun, there is no law that requires a background check in most of the states. All 3 guns I own were purchased privately. I have never had a background check.
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@joshwhite1606 No it's not. There is no background check required on private sales in most states. My first gun was purchased in a bar parking lot. All that was required was the money for the firearm and a state issued ID proving I was a resident in the state of sale.
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Agnostic isnt a belief. It's a stance on knowledge about the existence of God. Everyone should be agnostic. She is very clearly an atheist.
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Well, since no one has died from a vaccine in 30 years in America, I suppose that would be a "cross that bridge when we come to it." What compensation would you give to a family who's child was infected by another child and died from it?
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Then prove to me your God exists and I won't be an atheist. You're also probably a millennial.
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@deborahl3083 You cant prove the supernatural. Really then? When were you born?
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@deborahl3083 Alright. I live in the US. I specifically live in Indiana, a conservative state.
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I drink milk all the time as a vegan.
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One that lost his license to practice.
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You don't in all cases.
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Then you would be wrong, and many people who have abortions still have children later down the line.
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Nearly all medication contain adjuvants. And those adjuvants are things your body either naturally makes or you consume in food. No, vaccines are not poison.
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Human life may be sacred in your opinion, but its not objectively true. Abortion isn't murder, and not everyone is religious. Nothing is worse than murdering a person? Have you ever even spoken to children who grew up unloved, were abused, in foster care? I hear every day that they wish they were dead. It is my choice and it always will be as long as the fetus isn't sentient. There are some parents who cannot take care of children, no matter how much you wish they were. An animal is sentient. A fetus is not. That is the difference. No, its not murder. There's an established definition of murder. Abortion will never be outlawed. Alabama is looking at lawsuits and federal fines as we speak. It will be overturned.
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Theres no such thing as just an agnostic. If you're not an atheist, then you believe in a God. That would make you a non-denominational theist.
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@tori4228 An agnostic is someone who does not know whether a God exists and states that a God cannot be proven or disproven. This should apply to everyone. "Agnostic" is not a stand alone claim. You are an agnostic theist.
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@tori4228 That's what it is. Regardless is what you "say". You don't get to change the definitions of words to suit your narrative. Answer these questions: Do you believe in God? Do you know whether or not a God exists? Can a God be disproven?
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@tori4228 Not trying to argue. Trying to actually tell you what you are, since you didn't know what agnostic meant.
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@tori4228 No, you clearly didn't. There's no viewing it differently. You are making up a definition to suit your interests. That's dishonest.
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@tori4228 You didn't. I dislike people who are intellectually dishonest. That's what you were being, so I corrected you. Others do not need to be misinformed and think that being an agnostic is a middle ground.
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@undergroundrapfan9018 That's exactly what I said. But that should apply to everyone.
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No, its you who doesn't know what an atheist is. She's an atheist who also happens to be agnostic because agnostic is a redundant useless term that applies to everyone.
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@acapellacity6073 No, if you're agnostic, you don't know. If you're not agnostic, you're simply a liar. Yes, it is just a blanket "I don't know term". It has nothing to do with belief. You can absolutely be a Christian and agnostic. Not knowing whether or not God is truly there doesn't negate your belief that he is. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with knowledge.
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No. I'm sure there are some like that, but I'm poly and my husband was my middle school sweetheart. I just fell in love with 2 people. Sex is optional. Some people are asexual. I have 2 children and reserve sex for my husband, and my boyfriend is fine with that.
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Absolutely. But people also have the right to be defensive when you act like an asshole.
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One of the oldest people is currently living off a vegan diet and attributes her 115 years to mostly a plant based diet. Eating meat isn't bad, but it can be. As can eating a vegan diet wrong. Find what works for you.
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Yes he does. You should read the Bible sometime. Hosea specifically. You'll find tens of verses about God killing the unborn.
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Neon Odyrah Protected sex can still end in pregnancy because protection fails. Sex is a natural part of life.
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Neon Odyrah And then there are people, like me, who can't use protection.
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That does not mean we should have a death penalty.
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@JustSaiyanDude That is an argument from emotion fallacy and has no place in our legal system. The death penalty should be abolished.
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Religion itself is a cult...
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No they don't. You cannot feel without a nervous system
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@OFFONE And the answer is no. You cannot feel pain without nerves and a brain.
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So basically birth a child and set it up for death or failure? Thats disgusting.
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Roda Abdirizak So...am I bad for not believing in your God?
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Not comparable. One is sentient life and the other is not. One is violating the right to autonomy and one is not. One is beneficial and one is not.
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So you're fine with paying three times more to have them executed?
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Except that's just not true. Less guns = more cartels and evil people with guns. It is freedom to have one. Guns save lives. Thats why police carry them as well.
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@Cloudyyyy88 You mean in terms of gun violence? Because you never had access to them. You're not doing okay in terms of violence and homicide. You're homicide rate has continued to increase much more than the US. And by the way, your more likely to survive a shooting than a stabbing. Guns save lives, whether you like it or not.
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@Cloudyyyy88 Civilans stop more gun violence than police do.
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@Cloudyyyy88 Its actually not if you take the time to do research. Armed civilians often stop threats more than police do.
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@lilyofwater2257 Shall we list all of the stories that condone abortion? Like killing pregnant women? They aren't assumptions if they're true.
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@yup6730 No, they hit the nail right on the head. If you want to claim its independent and seperate, why can't it be removed from the uterus? Because its not independent or seperate.
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@ianalan4367 When it no longer has to depend biologically on the woman for survival.
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@ianalan4367 No, I said biologically. As in its biological functions are solely dependent upon the mother. Not physically. That would be until the beginning of a brainstem formed and the fetus was sentient. Between 12 and 13 weeks.
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Not by definition no.
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Thats really sad.
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I feel like you dont actually know what a Christian is.
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@unpleasent3709 Then stop trying to pretend that people aren't "real Christians" because they don't follow the same sect as you. You believe in the God of the Bible? You believe Jesus Christ saved you? Congrats, you're a Christian.
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@boog_01 I don't really care
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@boog_01 I just enjoy providing my opinion.
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I never got sex or drug education in school
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"Why doesn't the law protect the rights of a fetus?" Because the fetus has no rights in the first place, whether or not you agree with that. The unborn are not protected under the Constitution. But even if they did, your right to life cannot come at the expense of someone else's liberty. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Most pro-choice people I know place the cutoff date at 16 weeks, because by then, a fetus is sentient. Legally, a fetus doesn't have rights as we see them until after birth, which is why there is no federal cutoff date.
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@natashaskeese4149 Thank chu~
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It's because that is blantely unconstitutional. Where does it end with mental illness? Depression, anxiety and OCD are the most common mental illnesses. The majority has mental illness. What they are suggesting is to prevent anyone who has or has had mental illness from getting a gun. That is against my right to bare arms.
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Are you gonna be one of those people who will disown their children if they choose not to stay in the faith? Because if not, no one really cares. You don't need God or Jesus to do any of those things.
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@redredred8408 Because there is nothing to respond to. I can't respond to someone that makes no point.
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No there wouldn't and there's no way to prove that. People would commit crimes other ways. In fact, most "crimes" are committed without the use of a weapon at all.
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@averyp7741 You mean school shootings? Then allow other students to carry and defend themselves. Thats how my school stopped threats. Besides, those are insanely rare, despite what media reports want to tell us. Most crimes are just minor crimes
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MoonCrow On this one video. I've been here since is was uploaded. No hon. I'm not a troll.
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MoonCrow Nope. Trolling is answering to get a reaction as opposed to a response. Debating and seeking knowledge is something I enjoy. So its not ridiculous to me.
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MoonCrow I've never run from a debate. Either I stopped debating because there was nothing left to say or I never got a reply back. You can keep calling me a liar, but the truth is you don't know me nor my intentions. If you're interested in having a debate, I'd be more than happy to give you contact information.
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MoonCrow No, not at all. You can keep saying that though if it makes you feel better.
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MoonCrow I visit multiple jubilee videos. I enjoy their content. It's not like that's all I do. You know what you believe the truth. And I can't change that. Sorry that you feel I'm a liar. I'm always open to talk to you on another platform if you wish.
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Some people no longer are even born with meat teeth, so that isn't an argument. Just because you can eat something doesn't mean you should. That being said, I don't really care what others eat. Nothing I say will change them. Plants cannot feel pain. They cannot feel emotion. A brain is required for that. The point is you don't need meat. It damages your body and the environment. But on the flip side, you do you.
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@assisdsouza2982 God has never been proven, so I argue he created anything.
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Every gun show I've ever been to has 2 types of sellers. FFL dealers, required to perform background checks, and private vendors, who do not. Never had a background check on a gun. Only when I got my CCL
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Not always. Private sales occur at shows.
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@JDpewpew Yes it is. Because it is factually incorrect to say that you need a background check to buy a gun at a gunshow.
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@Tou-ZVGC Abortion isn't murder. Stop being dishonest to push a narrative.
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To answer your question, no. I don't think he can be rehabilitated back into society. And whether or not he deserves a second chance is irrelevant, because its subjective. The problem with your case is its a fallacy. An appeal to emotion fallacy.
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@bosnia7429 And you don't know what murder is. Because its not.
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@vincentmeade2534 Except its not unlawful. So it does not fit the definition, just as war or capital punishment doesn't.
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@vincentmeade2534 If its legal, it isn't murder. Are you asking me if killing someone is okay? Yes it is. Its killing human life. There is no difference.
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@vincentmeade2534 Segregation and slavery were violations of the Constitution from the very beginning.
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@vincentmeade2534 If murder was legal, it wouldn't be murder. Murder is unlawful by definition.
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@vincentmeade2534 No, it shouldn't. Because its a constitutional right. If a fetus can be conceived outside of a womb, then abortion should be illegal, because its no longer interfering with the rights of a mother.
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The problem is, its not truth. Its your belief. There is 0 evidence for God or Jesus.
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@hettinga359 If so many of you are trying, why do we have such a huge issue with the overpopulation of foster care? Why are 20,000 of them a year being booted with nothing?
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Most states do not require licensing to own or purchase a gun. Only to carry. I think that's what he is referring to.
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Depends on the child. I know many children who would rather die than suffer. I also know many children that feel they'd rather struggle for a chance than die.
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No it isn't. Unless its unlawful.
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Yes you can. Private sellers can sell at shows too.
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That doesn't make us at the top.
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Perhaps for some, but that wrecked havoc on my digestive system. So, I'll stick with veganism. But if it works for you, great.
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@ethansolan7465 Thats fine, but meat does terrible things to me. So for me, veganism works best. I won't argue the ethics, but for me, its healthier and its certainly better for the environment. But you do you.
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@Niko_Bellic4 Yes, but thats not the point. It doesn't matter if its human or living. Last I checked, the next of kin has the legal right to remove a person off of life support.
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@Niko_Bellic4 Then you apparently don't know the law. If the person on life support would live without it, there would be no reason to be on it. You put someone on life support because they cannot live on their own.
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@Niko_Bellic4 Everywhere in the US. Every single states passes the legal decision to turn off life support to the next of kin. This law was mandated after the 15 year struggle with Terry Schiavo. The next of kin consults with a doctor and makes the decision to either continue treatment or terminate the machine. You would not go to prison for taking someone off life support any more than you would for an abortion.
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@Niko_Bellic4 Of course they consult with doctors. Most people don't want to pull the plug unless its necessary. Its ultimately, however, up to them. No. Its not. But that is my subjective opinion.
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Nope, and those two things are not comparable. A fetus physically affects a woman. A man pays child support because he doesn't contribute time or resources to the mother or the child. Hers deals with rights. His deals with accountability.
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No. There's just less gun violence
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@ratofvengence That doesn't mean they don't have violence. Some countries that have the laxest gun laws have virtually no crime. Also, that doesn't account for population. The UK banned guns and their homicide rate has tripled. Australia has banned guns, but has a huge drug problem.
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Veganism is not unhealthy in a general sense. Veganism is unhealthy for some people.
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Jackie Sears You can be a spiritual person without believing in a God. Some left hand paths are atheistic, but are spiritual. I believe in ritual magic but not a God. There's a large line between religion and spirituality.
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Jackie Sears Atheism is only a belief in a Deity. A lot of atheists, like myself, believe in potentially paranormal events. We just try and find logical reasons for it. I know some atheists who believe in things like ghosts, but don't believe in God.
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Jackie Sears That would vary from person to person. Most who don't believe is because of a lack of evidence.
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Conker the Squirrel Because there are many things we can't explain. Spirits, at least to me, are energy. Nothing more. You can be spiritual and believe in some essence of the supernatural and not believe in a deity.
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Conker the Squirrel Perhaps, and that is why I'm an agnostic atheist.
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There aren't in some cases. That's just not the majority.
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@playboysizzle8702 Yes you can. Its called a private sale, and more than 30 states have no restrictions on these. Its just more common for people to buy from an FFL dealer, in which background checks are mandatory.
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@playboysizzle8702 The government can't control that. And I'm not saying they should. I'm 100% pro-gun. I just try to curb misinformation
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@lindondixon9985 No its not. Please educate yourself.
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@lindondixon9985 You are wrong. Incredibly wrong in fact. A private sale is any sale of a firearm not done by a dealer. Say, a father selling a gun to his son.
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@lindondixon9985 A 3rd party can sell a gun to any person without a known felony so long as the person is a resident in the state in which the gun is purchased and you are 18/21 depending on the type of gun. That is a private sale. And in 30 states, which is the majority of the country, that requires NO OTHER restrictions. No background check or bill of sale required. You seriously have no idea how this works.
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@lindondixon9985 Thank you for researching it. The main issue has less to do with firearms and more to do with poverty and mental health. Guns help the same way they hurt.
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Sam Yaza Since when do you need to be married or have a husband to have children? They've been trying for decades to prove some conspiracy with vaccines, and they never have. Its because it doesn't exist.
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Sam Yaza No, you're just choosing to believe false information.
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Your federal tax dollars do not pay for abortions. That's against the federal law.
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Hypocrisy at its finest.
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That is not how it works. It's not that EVERYONE has the right to keep an bear arms. That is a ammendment specific to the UNITED STATES Constitution. That applies to American citizens. Other countries rights are dictated by the Constitution on which their country was founded. So no, not everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. But American citizens do.
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Because abortion is convenient right? No. Most people don't abort simply because they don't want it. They abort because they can't care for it.
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@bigchungus1710 Anyone who started school at 5 would be going into high school at 14.
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Thats a broad generalization.
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Anthony Leydens I'm all for ending the drug war. Let people do what they want to themselves. If they OD, it's their own fault.
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Anthony Leydens No, they aren't an excuse. Just people shouldn't be arrested for having or using drugs
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Which is not a legitimate viewpoint to have since the body wants sex naturally.
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Alura Fletch No not at all. I live in Indiana, a rather conservative state in the Midwest region of the United States.
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I am a straight, polyamorous woman with a husband, boyfriend, and 2 amazing children.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq No there isn't. Your assertions are not evidence.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq Perhaps that he existed, but not that he was divine or a "son of God"
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq Every other faith has thousands of manuscripts and martyrs. Yours is not special.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq They all have the exact same amount of evidence for their religion. 0. No one during Jesus's lifetime wrote anything about him.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq When did I say he didn't exist? Alexander the Great was documented DURING his lifetime. We have evidence of his conquerings. I never said Jesus wasn't a real person. I've no doubt he was. What I don't believe in is his divinity. And actually, the EARLIEST person we have record of in the Bible was King David. No, I don't believe he saved me nor do I believe he died for me.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq There is no evidence of any of Jesus' so called miracles that was documented during his lifetime. Its that simple. We do not have any texts from this period describing Jesus.
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@StewieStewie-tp3qq There were many scholars during his lifetime who could read and write, because we have other accounts from that time period. Why would followers of Islam be beaten and tortured? Why would Jews? Why would other sects of Christianity? Why would atheists? Because they all think they were right. You may truly believe something. That doesn't make it reality. People go to their graves and die for beliefs all the time.
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Why is it not discused that it costs millions more to put a person to death? Of course there's an argument economically, but it sides with people opposed to capital punishment.
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Johnni Ono "A fetus has thought and consciousness" -Pretty hard to do considering the actual brain doesn't even start to develop until 10 weeks, and isn't developed enough for thought until 20, the cutoff for abortions.
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Johnni Ono Learn to understand the difference between life and sentience. You a vegan? If not, you don't give a shit about life.
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@esppupsnkits4560 There has never been any scientific link between abortion and infertility.
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The Bible is very pro choice.
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Where's the evidence of this? You can be comitted to more than one person.
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Yes. Yes we are people.
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@ttfresh You don't have a duty to the unborn if you don't consent to it being there in the first place.
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There aren't really any facts supporting either side, because moral debates are subjective. Facts can just be used to present a side.
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@mar b I don't know what you mean by care home
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That isn't what he said. Getting a 2nd chance at life =/= being released from prison. Thats your interpretation.
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@Thomas-os2jk No. But it also doesn't deserve death.
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You do realize that a psyche test would be unconstitutional right? You cannot barr people from their rights based on maybes. The majority would not pass a psyche test, because the majority of the population suffer some form of mental illness.
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@cadillaking9982 You do know a scientific theory is a fact right...? It's something that's observable and/or testable? Gravity is a theory. Jump off of a high rise and see how real these "theories" are.
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IssyFishyy Evolution is a fact that explains the diversity of life. For some reason, the religious like to say that evolution explains the origin of life, which it doesn't. Its been observed and tested. Its real. Evolution doesn't mean you God cannot or does not exist.
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@cadillaking9982 We in science refer to them as theories because they are the current "fact" that we have. That may one day change, as science is always changing. Scientific theories and laws differ from hypotheses in a very big way.
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@cadillaking9982 You don't prove things in science. You prove things in math. You provide the best estimated conclusion based on the evidence presented to you at any particular time when you discover something in science. We have evidence of gravity. I do not see evidence for God. That doesn't mean one doesn't exist. I lack a belief in one until that evidence comes to light.
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IssyFishyy Except what you see as evidence I simply see as confirmation bias.
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IssyFishyy Because when you step out of religion and just have a neutral view of the world, I found that a God just didn't hold up. I lost my faith trying to prove him true.
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IssyFishyy For the last time, I never said there is no God. You have no evidence you can present to me that proves a deity. That is not a bias, that is you not meeting your burden of proof. I would LOVE for a God and an afterlife to exist. And even if I took your fallacious existence = creation argument, the CLOSEST that would get you is deism, not Christianity.
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IssyFishyy Because it is fallacious. The "first cause" doesn't have evidence behind it anyway, and even if it did, it doesn't rule out atheism, and the most it would get you to is deism. Considering you don't know if Jesus did anything that was claimed, its impossible to say that.
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Thats...not entirely accurate. If the gun was legally sold, you are no longer responsible for what happens with it. The muddiness of the laws come into play as a private seller when you don't know the individual, because in some jurisdiction, even if you didn't know the person was a felon, that would not be considered a legal sale. And thus, the blame could fall on you. Plausible deniablity may not be a defense in that case. This is even more difficult when most states do not have any type of gun registry.
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Technically, legally, you could if you were buying from a private seller in most states. But that would sketchy af.
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Except with private sales in most states.
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Which are bibically accurate.
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@demonshinobi5994 Its not a baby. It is their choice. Not my fault the parasite can't develop without my uterus.
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@prometheus4429 Because anything that survives off of another human being at no benefit or that causes problems is a parasite by definition. I never said it wasn't human. It is. I also never said it wasn't living. It is. Rights are not "entitled" to you. You have rights because you support a government that grants you those rights. Legally, a fetus has no rights. And even if it did, their right cannot impede on yours. Right to life cannot impede on a right to liberty. That's why a doctor can't just take your kidney, even if its the only way to save a life.
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@espakuz2450 And? Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@Humanity Galatica Made up in the sense that someone else made them up yes. Enforced rights based on the country and society I live in.
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Because there is no reason for its existence. It does nothing beneficial. Too expensive, doesn't lower crime rates, not a deterrent etc.
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Thats a double hypocritical standard.
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Except for private sales. Which is not the majority of guns purchased.
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And if polyamory is selfish, then monogamy is possessive.
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That is not true in most cases however. I'm sorry that you've experienced that, but some atheists do that because they believe religion causes harm. Which it does when taken to extremes. Its finding balance in either religion or atheism.
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Because its already known adoption is an option. Congrats. You were one of the lucky ones. Way more children are either never adopted and kicked out at 18, or adopted into abusive households.
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@andyscott15 No he wasn't
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@andyscott15 No he wasn't. He had no idea what an atheist was and he spouts his beliefs as fact. Neither of those things were right. Come out of your biased cognitive dissonance.
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If you didn't eat the plant grazing animals and you stopped domesticating them, you would not have an issue. They would die out naturally.
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Not in 2% of cases.
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You pay more in tax dollars for an execution then you do to keep them in prison for life.
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@jamiereed254 And we executed people for no reason.
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@jamiereed254 No one deserves death. Period. You don't show killing is wrong by killing. Thats asinine. These people can be rehabilitated.
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@jamiereed254 Sure they can't, but they aren't the majority. Majority can, and thats not an opinion. Its fact. And I'm proud more and more states are axing the death penalty. You can be punished without being put to death.
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Lizzie Allen Most atheists don't condemn abortion as murder. I've never met one. Abortion isn't a good or bad thing. Its neutral. All depends on your interpretation
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Lizzie Allen Let me restate. All my friends are atheists. I talk to a lot of atheists. None of them believe that abortion is murder.
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Plants can't feel.
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@lovely893 Plants can't feel because they do not have a brain or nervous system, which is fundamentally required to "feel". What you are smelling is chemical reactions caused by cells breaking down. That has nothing to do with feeling.
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Atheists lack a belief in a God. To "believe in no God" is an oxymoron. You can't believe in a negative.
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@Mizz Thang None of your claims have ever been proven. There is no correlation between cancer in children and vaccines. Everything in vaccines are ingredients your body is exposed to or naturally produces. Go back in the corner with your tinfoil hat.
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Umm..no. No he wasn't.
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@_isaacgriffin_ On what exactly? Because I could give you several instances when he was dead wrong.
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@_isaacgriffin_ The difference between an atheist an agnostics, atheists not believing in the supernatural, doubting God etc.
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@_isaacgriffin_ Agnostic has nothing to do with belief in God and plenty of atheists believe in the supernatural
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Except you're wrong. The vast majority do not want any type of vaccine regulation, and these people actively cause others harm.
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Does the truth hurt you? Every organic organism is just a cluster of cells.
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@txryder79 And I never tried to. I, as someone who is pro-choice, am fine saying this cluster of cells is human. My question is, so what? Being human doesn't make it valuable. Thats not inherent.
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I just want to point out that you DO NOT have to have a background check at gun shows in most states if the sale is private. There is NO MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECK on private sales, which often take place at shows.
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@stevengiordano6540 You and Jeremy are both deluded.
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Not necessarily. Private sales happen at gun shows depending on location, and most states do not have background checks for private sales.
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Except its not right. No where in the definition of atheism does it mention anything about the supernatural. Atheism is simply a lack a belif in a God. I know many atheists who believe in the paranormal, for instance. So no. His point wasn't right.
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And that is what we call an "appeal to emotion" fallacy. Just because you believe that, doesnt make it true.
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@--confide-in-the-tide That's your opinion, and I can understand why you feel that way. However, that's all it is. An opinion.
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Yep. There should be discussion between partners of course, but its her body being used for the growth of the fetus. She has the final say.
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And there are 44,000 children waiting for adoption. They can take their pick. No one should be forced to give birth.
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As someone who also works in a prison, we dont actively try to rehabilitate and integrate. Only a few percent can't, and that's not an argument for capital punishment.
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@britishmgtow7251 You should absolutely not defund Planned Parenthood. That stops people who rely on public health care funds from getting care at Centers.
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@allegravet Morality is and always will be subjective. Ever heard of the bystander effect? People turn up their nose at abuse all the time. Yet you are arguing with that government and law.
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And...how is that an excuse?
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And rarely any atheists try to shove atheism down anyone's throat.
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@abiaaneel4290 Yeah...your Bible is circular reasoning.
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@abiaaneel4290 I can't prove a negative, nor did I say God wasn't real. I don't believe he's real, as there is no evidence for one.
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@abiaaneel4290 So...circular reasoning. The Bible is a book. Thats it. No cooberated evidence. Its not juvenile to point out someone's dishonesty. No one has 'felt' God. They may interpret what they felt as a God, but that means nothing. Science doesn't prove anything. You prove things in Math. Heaven nor God may not even exist. What will you do then?
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Thats a pretty untrue and broad generalization.
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I'm much healthier as a vegan than I ever was eating meat. But thats just me.
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@scottpe6226 Meseals is deadly in any sense if left untreated or misdiagnosed. Caught early enough, no. It probably won't be fatal. Rubella is usally a mild disease outside the womb, but can cause fatal infections and respiratory arrest in those with compromised immune systems. The mumps vaccine is 88% effective on average with 2 shots and 78% effective with one. The reason the vaccination was ineffective was because the virus is likely to have mutated. If many people believe that the risks of an MMR vaccine outweigh the benefits, its because they have bought into the fear that people spread through misinformation.
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When we did use it, it still wasn't a deterrent. Someone who commits a capital offense does not care about the consequences. Hell, some believe death is a better path. Those laws are in place because you have completely screwed up the moment you execute an inncoent person.
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"When you have unprotected sex..." No. Absolutely not. Just because you are having unprotected sex does NOT mean you are PLANNING to get pregnant. Planning requires forethought. Yeah...abortion is taking accountability. Its realizing "Hey. I fucked up. I can't do this." Quit acting like death (especially when you have no consciousness) is the worst thing in the world.
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You realize more of your tax money goes to house them on death row, often in better conditions yes?
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Because protection always works right? Oh wait... Of course you should use protection, but its not available everywhere nor can everyone use it.
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@grz1363 It may always work for you, but several people I know got pregnant even with contraception. I'm unable to take any type of birth control and pregnancy clincs here do not provide contraceptives.
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That's because people tell you you can't. But I am polyamorous with two children, who are both incredibly stable and happy.
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As if every human on the planet isn't selfish in most regards.
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mmm lasaga There are still people who don't have access to those contraceptives or who cannot take contraceptives. The fetus doesn't care if you abort it up until a certain point. Why should a rape victim be any different? As a rape victim, why should I get special treatment? Having sex is human nature. Most abortions take place because a woman has sex and realizes she cannot care for it and no other options are viable or available to her. Most doctors won't tie your tube until you're at least in your mid 30s or have servere health problems.
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mmm lasaga So defy your human nature? That's completely unhealthy. Know who your sleeping with, and you won't have to worry about an STD.
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mmm lasaga Anyone who has ever had sex will tell you masturbation doesn't feel the same as intercourse.
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mmm lasaga It's not that their obsessed with intercourse. Their body naturally wants it. Holding that instinct back isn't healthy. The priests and nuns are just fine? Tell that to all the boys and girls they sexually assault.
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mmm lasaga No, you've just took a tangent from the original point and seemed to have flunked high school biology.
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mmm lasaga You don't seem to act like it, since you completely deviated from the original debate of abortion. Those sort of things you'll learn more when/if you take biology in college. When you preach abstinence, you make people shut you out. Our sex instincts are important. They're the reason we continued to survive as a species. Don't know if you know this, but you wouldn't be here without it.
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You can be "in love" with more than one person.
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The issue is sentience for ethical vegans.
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All extremists are annoying.
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anonmity So in other words "defy your natural human instinct". Doesn't work that way.
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@strive4252 That's your opinion. I don't, personally, believe life has inherent value. My life only has value because I amd others assign it value. That was not something I was born with. She tried to abort me, and people wouldn't allow her to. That caused me to experience severe trauma and abuse that has now permanently damaged me, to the point that its impossible for me to live a normal life. While I understand where you're coming from, saying things like that to a person like me comes off as insensitive and condescending. "You have a life worth living. Be happy for it." I actually don't. I'm sorry, but suffering is not better than death.
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@strive4252 Except its not. Objective value on people simply doesn't exist. You are only valuable if another places that value on you. Value is a descriptive term. Not a prescriptive one. I can take away my worth. I have all that power. Also, I don't believe in a soul. That's just actual nonsense. So what? And no? No one took care of me. I had to care for myself. I had a very basic education. I had to teach myself to do things. I walked around in clothes that were filthy and torn to shreds. So, again. Stop being condescending. You know absolutely nothing about my life. If I was inherently valuable, everyone would consider me as such. But reality is, that's not the case.
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@strive4252 I'm sorry, but they do that to protect their country. You can't have a deep care for someone you've never met. You can only empathize with the fact that they're other humans, because we are social creatures. Most people go off to war because its their career. Its what earns them a living. Not to say that they just go in for a paycheck, but wanting to protect people and values doesn't necessarily equate to seeing value in them. And again, that still isn't intrinsic. That's a person's personal opinion. No? Not really. I'm well aware that people have it worse off than I did. But someone else having cancer doesn't mean your broken arm doesn't hurt. I have technology that I had to struggle immensely for, and that struggle was not worth what I did obtain. It literally sounds like you are trying to undermine this. And I'm sorry, but that's disgusting. I determine my value. I am not born with it. And I, personally, would have rather been aborted. Value is not inherent.
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@strive4252 No, you misunderstand. You are not disgusting. Sorry if that came across that way. The attitude you take towards my struggle, I find digusting. But only because it sounds like you were downplaying it. Even if that's not what you intend. Strangers can empathize with people because we are human. But they don't honestly care. People, first and foremost, care for themselves. Then those they love. I understand your mission, but I unfortunately don't want it. Nothing you say will change the past, nor the damage that was done to me. You will also not convince me value is intrinsic. I appreciate you trying, but that's just not my viewpoint.
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@justdoubled7841 I already stated in a previous comment what verse it is.
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That isnt an atheists job. You're the one with the burden of proof, and yet you have yet to prove his existence.
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@Orinoco Flow The Bible does not prove anything any more than any other religious book. It is full of scientific lies and inaccuracies. The burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. You claim a God exists. Prove it.
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@Orinoco Flow No, a book written 2000 years ago claims a God exists. Then you continue to spout that as fact. So prove it. No, God has not provided evidence for his existence. And again, I make no claim that he doesnt exist. I'm not an anti-theist.
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Correction: Should only share your partner if your partner and yourself are okay with it, otherwise it would be disgusting and disrespectful.
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Mass shootings may be more of an American thing, but how is that any better than mass stabbings? The fact of the matter is that right cannot be infringed. If you really think its bad, amend it. See how well that works. What happened again when they restricted alcohol? Oh yeah...
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Thats called a strawman arguement. Slaves were sentient beings with rights (albeit limited) outlined in the Constitution. That does not exist for a fetus. Slavery didn't infringe upon your rights. Pregnancy does.
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I find it hilarious that your preach about abortion when your Book outright SUPPORTED abortion. Your GOD is not pro-life.
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@kstep0 Even if a woman doesn't know shes pregnant until the sixth week, which is ridiculous, the fetus still doesn't feel pain. The brain stem doesn't finish development until between 12 and 13 weeks. You cannot feel if you have no brainstem to register pain.
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@dandylion2837 So what if they don't? That may be a good thing. The fetus has no rights BECAUSE it lacks sentience. In fact, YOU have no inherent rights. You ONLY have rights because a governing body says you do.
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@dandylion2837 No, I'm not okay with abortion just because the fetus isnt sentient. I'm okay with abortion up until a certain point for a number of reasons. Our rational thinking is different. Having an abortion is taking responsibility. No, I'm not worth more. Humans are animals. I'm no more valuable than my cats.
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I know you're poking fun, but you're strawmaning the argument.
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Thats what vaccine court is for.
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I'm a pro-choice vegan.
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@kylelipp3170 Well yes and no. I do value the lives of sentient beings, but I'm vegan for healthy purposes as oppsed to ethical ones.
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This is a legal matter. Not a moral one.
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@EqualKinks No its not. Not in 38 states at least. Private sellers quite often sell at gun shows. Especially in more lax gun states. There are no federal laws concerning selling at shows. Only state laws. I'm sorry, but you are grossly misinformed.
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They've done that already
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@charliegranberry2594 Personhood is the definition of a person, which is defined by sentience and its not at all vague. It starts when the fetus can think and feel subjectively. Tumors also have their own DNA. Does that mean we can't remove them? No. It is privileged to pretend that everyone's life will get better no matter the circumstances. That is just not reality. Suicide is driven by whether pain outweighs pain management. Anyone who has ever been suicidal would tell you that they didn't want to die.
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@matt1325 Yes, I think he would be a person, not just because of sentience. But that argument means nothing because he's not real.
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@parzival3890 Yeah. I would genuinely rather not live that perpetually suffer.
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IssyFishyy Catholicism is the largest sect of Christianity. Its hilarious to see all the infighting.
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IssyFishyy But that's true of nearly every denomination.
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Because sex is more than reproduction.
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So...what about women who can't use contraceptives? And how hypocritical is that?
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@kingorange7739 Depends on where you live. Condoms break. Does that breaking entitle the woman to an abortion then?
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Can't hurt something that has no nervous system to register pain. Thats not how the legal system works either.
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How is being in love with multiple people narcissistic or self-obsessed? What about monogomy being possessive and controlling? I doubt you'd agree with that sentiment.
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Abortion is murder as much as killing cows for food is animal abuse.
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The cognitive dissonance is strong with you. I hope you have fun in prison when one of you children contract an illness. I am proud to have put a mother away for 20 years for refusing to vaccinate her daughter.
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Yes it is. It's just not really a loophole nor is it restricted to shows.
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@ninponighthawk I understand that. But not all are. And people need to know it's a case by case basis
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Eh, you still probably are pro-choice. But that includes abortion. Which is not murder.
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@xafbxmoto269 No its not. In that case, all soldiers are murderers.
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Those two things have nothing in common. You're risking other sentient people when you don't get vaccinated. You shouldn't keep a pregnancy you do not consent to.
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Except apparently God. Existence =/= Creation.
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Not having sex doesnt work. People have a natural urge to have sex, because it helps the body physically and mentally. I'm all for using protection, but some women cannot take birth control. Also, it's not murder, at least in the US. That's not a belief. It's a fact. You're either against all abortions or against no abortions. Circumstantial is hypocritical.
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@TheBlackSun21 He doesn't have to pay. He can terminate his rights amd legally no longer be a parent.
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@aaralyn6710 Yes you can. Racism is being prejudiced of someone based on their race, regardless of what race it is.
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Choice is the most important thing. Its your right. Who cares whether she's in a tough situation or not. Its her body, and she does not consent to the fetus living off of her. And no, its not a baby. Its a fetus. It can't make a choice, and has no legal rights. I could argue that this is less a moral issue, and more a rights/legal issue.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 A fetus is any unborn mammal. Stemming something from its latin roots doesn't change the definition of words.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 I never said birth makes a fetus a human. Its a human if its of the species. That isn't the point. Its not a BABY, medically or scientifically, until after birth. Until birth, its a fetus. By the way, most abortions take place before a brain is developed.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 Because the definition of a baby is after birth. That's just the definition. All I'm saying is technically, it isn't a baby until after birth.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 That's the simple way anatomy and language work. Take it up with Webster and Oxford. Then again, even if I did say "baby" instead of "fetus", it's still her right to abort.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 No, thats because what we medically define it as. By the way, did you know pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion? I know many people who are anti-abortion but are still pro-choice. Another fact. Most people who call themselves pro-life aren't, because they support death with dignity or abortions in certain circumstances . My argument that while inside the womb, it is a human fetus. Outside the womb it is a human baby. Its human no matter what stage its in. No, abortion isn't murder because its not illegal. Killing does not equate to murder. The woman has a right to do whatever she wants with her OWN BODY. If she does NOT CONSENT to a fetus growing inside her, she had the LEGAL RIGHT to terminate it. Fetuses do not have legal rights, because they are not sentient. You and I can argue all day about that, but thats the facts. If the fetus is using my body, then yes actually. I can do whatever I want with it. This is a legal/rights issue. Not a moral one.
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 Because thats how it is. I don't have an answer for you other than that. Words change with society. Language is a societal concept. Also, no. If we found a fetus on mars, it would be dead. You can't change the definition of a word to fit your narrative. Abortion just isn't murder. So you are pro-life? Your against abortion in all cases, including rape, incest, or medical necessity? You're against a person who is terminally ill being allowed to take life ending medication? "I don't support the killing of innocent humans". Are you also against the military?
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@sophiathesophisticated1383 You said you don't support the killing of innocent people, so its perfectly acceptable to ask if you support the military. Or are you a hypocrite? Just say it's situational.
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Except virtually no one thinks like that. There are, of course, exceptions to that rule. No, what would be avoiding responsibility is to have a child you are unprepared for and neglect it. Also, thats not necessarily true either. Medical problems are a great example. You do have to have the abortion to save your life, but you agree to do it willingly, which makes it voluntary.
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@matthewbrooks5643 No, actually its not. Many people have sex for reasons other than children. In fact, thats probably the majority. Thats also untrue. You should study psychology.
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@Ichangedmyname1221 It may not be for you. I hope that you are sexually compatable with anyone you choose to marry. And no. That's like saying me choosing to drive means I'm making the choice to be hit by a drunk driver. You don't choose to get pregnant. Its a possible effect of an action.
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@Ichangedmyname1221 Many people go out on drives just for pleasure. You don't need to drive in order to survive, especially not in today's technology age. You're completely strawmanning the argument. It doesn't matter. The argument is the same. Abortion is taking responsibility.
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Bacon Bandito I think he meant mentally...
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Bacon Bandito No. Gender is a social construct. You aren't born a gender. You are born a sex. (Usually).
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@Cotac_Rastic Hahaha. You actually have NO idea how prison works do you?
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From an ethical perspective, because we don't need meat and we should have a higher moral compass.
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I've been to many gun shows and have purchased 3 firearms. Never had a background check, because my state does not require them unless the seller is an FFL licensed dealer
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@mafioso1166 Correct. Some are. But you implied that only people with FFL licenses can sell at gun shows, which is just not true.
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@mafioso1166 California has the strictest gun laws in the country. How'd that work out for Thousand Oaks? You're exactly right. Banning guns does not lower crime rate. People should be allowed to carry. It would prevent these shootings.
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Uhhh "decided on by people who aren't overwhelmed by emotion?" Sorry, but that's all capital punishment is.
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Coach Chris Go back to school and learn the definiton of murder, because I think you'll find it's not.
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Yet not all people can have access to them or can take them.
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@absentmind4589 Abortion is taking responsibility. Its realizing you do not have the maturity and ability to raise and care for a child like it needs to be. Just because I cannot take contraception doesnt mean I should be banned from a natural and healthy experience because of someone else. Also no. That is not necessarily true. I live in an area that will not even sell birth control to you without a physician prescription.
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@absentmind4589 No, that was not what I was saying. I PHYSICALLY CANNOT take contraception.
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@absentmind4589 condoms still fail. Not to mention, again, some cant use them.
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@absentmind4589 Not true. You can be using them precisely as directed and there could still be a failure. I'm not saying abortion should be a first resort. And it rarely ever is. Also no, sex is not just for procreation. Sex is healthy for the body, and a natural feeling we have. There is nothing wrong with casual sex. Forcing an unfit mother to birth a child she cannot handle is selfish and irresponsible.
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@absentmind4589 You have your opinions and I have mine. Never said it wasnt irresponsible to prevent pregnancy. Then again, you can't prevent pregnancy 100% unless you're fixed or abstinent. However. It's also irresponsible to understand your mistakes but force yourself to live with consequences you cannot handle
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Heartbeat means nothing without the mother controlling it until the brainstem forms. Stopping the devlopment of a non-sentient fetus that doesn't care affects no one but me.
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I like vegans...
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They don't live in our society. Thats what prison is for.
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How is it not? You choose to surround yourself with multiple people who you care about. If I am in love with two people, why should I have to choose between them?
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Abortion isn't murder.
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Unless the sale/sales are private.
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Because I choose to abstain from animal products?
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Lizzie Allen Its a hell of a lot more painful too...
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I think nothing was said about it because it would bring up the conversation of private sales, which do happen at shows and which don't need a background check in most states. That's all this "loophole" is. Maybe they thought that would spawn a whole different conversation they didn't have time for? Just a theory.
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As someone who has been treated so badly it has left her with lifelong disabilities, I respectfully disagree. There are much worse things than death.
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IssyFishyy Ahh possibly.
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christopher Scott Wasn't being a smartass. Just being honest.
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The answer to that question would be "I don't know". And that is the honest answer. Support your belief with evidence.
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@anonymousboiii_6934 You haven't proven the universe had to have a beginning nor have you proven that beginning could not have occured through natural occurrences.
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@anonymousboiii_6934 No. The big bang is the EXPANSION of the universe. And its been proven through isotopic measurements. Whether or not the universe had a beginning and if so what caused it is still debated. I as an atheist, do not claim does not exist. I simply do not believe in one.
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As a victim to a murderer who watched her sister die, I think that's a psychopathic way of thinking.
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@plexpopper8763 You don't believe they deserve a second chance just shows me you seem to lack empathy for those that are sorry. That's psychopathic to me.
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@plexpopper8763 Nothing. I believe everyone deserves forgiveness, perhaps because I've been victimized by someone. I don't believe anyone's life is worth more than another. I also don't believe laws should be based on emotion. The death penalty does nothing to benefit society. But we have different opinions. And that's okay.
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@plexpopper8763 I understand that not everyone feels the way I do. Most people, including myself, were homicidally enraged. But in the majority, that feeling passes. It isn't fair, in my opinion, to force the pain inflicted on you onto more innocent people. Most of the condemned have a family as well, a family who did nothing to hurt me. I believe, on an emotional level, this is why most victims and their families don't agree with capital punishment. That, and they think it's an easy way out.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 An answer to what?
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@Charles-km7in I do wish I had been aborted. Though I am currently stable, nothing I have is worth the pain and suffering I experienced. I am not of the mindset that life is a gift or inherently valuable. I don't believe in "ultimate purpose". And no, I'm not normal. And frankly, while I understand you are trying to be encouraging, you come off as disrespectful and condescending. I'm NOT like the rest of you. I have emotional and physical scars that will never heal. And I frankly feel like you are undermining my suffering.
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@Eddie Davies Because you don't give a rats ass about people, like me, who were abused and destroyed by the mentality you possess. No, life isn't inherently valuable. Value is descriptive, not prescriptive. I can say that same thing. Saying its true doesn't make it so.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 And your question is?
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@Eddie Davies Its a generalization. I'm not offended by your opinion. But your opinion is the reason I suffered abuse, and your way of thinking is the reason I can't live normally. Its irritating, but its not offensive.
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@Eddie Davies The opinion of abortion being a crime and allowing unfit parents and/or a broken system to be expected to take care of them is what caused me suffering and the inability to live a normal life. You're not being rude. You're just kind of ignorant. I understand that you are coming from the right place. But you fail to notice the problems with your mindset. Your bigger picture is fine. Your details are skewed.
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@Eddie Davies I aborted my first child and have a living son and daughter.
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@Eddie Davies Certainly better than it was. And for the record, I had to abort my first. I had no intention to at first
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@Eddie Davies Yeah. I developed a severe bleeding disorder and I kept bleeding into the abdomen. I would have never been able to carry long enough for the child to be viable outside of the womb. To be honest, I still have the remains of what would have been my firstborn.
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Most humans I know aren't very smart...
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Umm no. Because 1. Polyamory isn't cheating and 2. You can be loyal in a polyamorous relationship and a cheater in a monogamous relationship.
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Neither does killing the perpetrator.
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Agnostic means you do not know. It is not a belief. Everyone should be agnostic.
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Most do not. You shouldn't listen to extremists.
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Why? There's literally no benefit other than maybe some sick justified revenge feeling.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Nope, not true. Completely disproven in fact. Capital punishment is not a deterrent to violent crime. Crime rates are higher in both states and countries with capital punishment.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 That's your opinion and your entitled to it. I do wonder how you feel about Texas overturning many of its death penalty convictions however.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 It is an opinion. Facts need to be shown through observation.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 Yeah no. That can't be shown, because that is an opinion.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 It is an opinion.
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@JDpewpew I never said it was a loophole. My point is that you can legally buy a gun at a gunshow without a background check
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Luke Martin hello pot, my name is kettle. You're black.
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@JOVine-gl6df No, actually its fact. It doesn't fit the definition of murder.
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But no one should have walked. Because the death penalty has been proven to not be a deterrent.
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@zemaneiro292 You already can be arrested for jaywalking. Its illegal. But most people don't enforce it. That is not what deterrent is. Deterrent: a thing that discourages or is intended to discourage someone from doing something. Capital punishment does not work this way. If it did, crime rates would be lower in death penalty states, because people would be afraid of execution. But its not.
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@zemaneiro292 I live in the US. My point is that capital punishment is not a deterrent. I'm not sure if we agree on this ot not.
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How does being a Christian inherently make you better?
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In a logistic sense, yes. In a psychological sense, not really.
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Hahaha. Imagine being a person that thinks protection can't fail, or that its healthy to ignore sexual urges. Imagine also not believing humans are animals when we're mammalian great apes. Abortion is taking responsibility. Just as motherhood and adoption is.
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@JulianQuiamhor Yeah it is
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Because its just that easy right? Birth control is readily and easily accessible right? Its 100% effective right?
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@jamess.2491 There are many places where drugstores do not sell condoms. Here, you have to buy them online. And that 10% that they aren't effective are millions of women who get pregnant.
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I've been to 3 and purchased 3 firearms. Never had a background check. Maybe she thinks most shows are just private sellers.
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@something3867 No, not really. You don't just flash a card. But most of my state's gun shows are private sellers, so its up to them whether or not a background check is performed.
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@something3867 Most states don't have gun licenses. They use your drivers to make sure you are who you say you are, have no felonies and are a resident of the state you are buying in.
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@something3867 No, not really. I'm of the mindset that the more good citizens have guns, the less violence we have.
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@J And so are atheists. So much more than Christians. You are the dominate religion in the west. Were you bullied for bigoted beliefs? Or were you bullied because of the stigma that comes from Christianity? I don't blame them for thinking you're delusional, but you have your beliefs. When you're talking to an invisible person there is no evidence of, people will say things.
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@J As long as you believe that Jesus is your savior and the God of the Bible is true, you are a Christian. The no true scotsman gets annoying after a while. No, I can't. Because I don't see "atheist" killings. I can send you articles about disgusting things Christians do.
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@J How about you do the legwork? And yes. Real Christians do spread hate. Just like they also spread love.
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@J And there are also parts of the Bible that tell you to judge. That's the problem. It's contradictory.
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@J If you want examples, read your Bible. Any examples I give you will be accused of being taken out of context. Just remember: The NIFB, Westboro Baptist Church, The Catholic Church, and Nazi's were/are Christians. But that doesn't mean they have to represent it. This is why I dislike the religion, but I respect the people (who deserve it) You find peace and respect reading the Bible, and that is great. But others do not.
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Should that apply to accidents and the military then?
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@Humanity Galatica Isn't value subjective as well?
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That depends on geography. It certainly does not cost more where I live. Maybe its the same for her.
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@laurenmiller9482 Yes, why?
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@shaynestewart6480 You do not know your childs anatomy more than a doctor. Period. Of course vaccines are risky. So are cars, pets and other medications. The question should be "does the benefit outweigh the risk for me"
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@shaynestewart6480 Then thats a question to ask the doctor. Real honest doctors would be more than happy to tell you. Is a 1/3000 chance of a seizure worth the 1/400 death to infection caused by the measles? Thats up to you.
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Deserving of something doesn't mean an unbeneficial objective should be enforced. The death penalty does nothing.
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@shototodoroki-tl4ox There is no such thing as just an agnostic. Do you believe in God?
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I think anyone that would look an 11-year old victim in the face and tell her "sucks to be her you're keeping that fetus" is vile.
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Hey guess what? Asexual polyamorous people exist. Polyamorous is another word for falling in love with more than one person. I have 2 children and am in a polyamorous relationship. So your last sentence is invalid.
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Thats despicable. America was founded on fundamental rights. The fact that you would be okay with the state violating those rights is appalling. Why should we obey the Constitution if the government does not?
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@MyMarnus Yep. Not on moral grounds, as morality is subjective. I'm against it as it has no practical use and does not benefit society.
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IssyFishyy No rational pro-choice person acts like abortion is the only solution. That's an outright lie. By the way, contraceptions and adoption are NOT always options available and DON'T guarantee the child will live or thrive. Do you know why theft and murder is illegal? Because it violates your constitutional rights? You know why abortion was passed? Because forced pregnancy violates your constitutional rights.
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@agustina7652 And what do you say to the hundreds of innocent people who have been put to death?
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@Hydra I DON'T reject to POSSIBILITY of a God. Thats why I am an agnostic atheist. I reject the belief in a God as of this point because there is no proof. I've done nothing to be held accountable for, so I'm not afraid of a God. Also, believing in him doesn't make him exist. My question to you is WHAT IF you're wrong?
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Well...the fish will feel it if its still alive-
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@miranaestephan247 I don't care what people eat. There is a food chain. Yes, you can be an omnivore. You do not have to be however. I'd say you're the one being ridiculous. It was just a joke.
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@miranaestephan247 Any vegan who has told you you need to take supplements to be healthy is a liar. No, you don't. Unless you have a preexisting medical problem or you can't afford fortified foods As for humans beinf valuable. That depends on what your definition of value is. You didn't annoy me. You just seem on edge.
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@miranaestephan247 Fortified milks often have b12. I don't take supplements and I'm vegan. Only B12 cannot be gotten naturally in vegan foods that are necessary. Other nutrients can be gotten in vegan foods or other ways. People should be able to eat what they want.
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@miranaestephan247 There is no difference between D3 and D4, which is the vitamin you make from sunlight. DHA can be made from ALA, which you can get from tofu and soybeans. You shouldn't be judged for living in a country that doesn't have the availability for vegan foods like the States where I live.
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That's not an answer because citizens are divided.
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For the record, you don't "prove" things in science. You "prove" things in Math.
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Sarah -H You're an agnostic theist.
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Congrats. You completely misunderstood what she was trying to say because of your bias.
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@mrsiblaugrana9003 That is what she said. But she didn't mean because we love our children like we love our partners. She compared the two because she was showing how just as we are capable of loving our friends, the brain is capable of falling in love with multiple people. She was drawing on comparison. Not making a direct comparison between loving children and loving partners. Because that would make everyone polyamorous, and they're not.
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@mrsiblaugrana9003 It is in the sense of being able to love multiple people. But we are taught that that is wrong. And so many people fall in love with one person at a time.
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He was still Biblically accurate if the Bible is taken literally. You can't prove a God exists, so you can't give him characteristics.
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I don't think you've read your Bible, because abuse is not a valid reason for divorce. Only in 2 cases can divorce occur biblically. Adultery and abandonment of a marriage on the husband's part. Scripturally, a woman is property and is "one flesh" once she is married. No where in scripture does it allow you to divorce for abuse. Also, if you did get divorced, a woman cannot remarry. Thats adultery.
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An atheist and an agnostic are not two different things. In fact, most atheists (and theists for that matter) are agnostics. I wish people would learn that agnosticism isn't a middle ground between theism and atheism.
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@geekprotagonist1139 Agnosticism is a KNOWLEDGE claim based on whether or not a God exists. Because no one knows for sure, EVERYONE should be agnostic. Theism and Atheism are BELIEF claims. A theist believes in a God. An atheist does not. Both, however are still can be agnostic. There are 4 categories: Gnostic Theist: There is a God. (Stated as fact) Gnostic Atheist (Anti-Thiest): There is no God. (Stated as fact) Agnostic Theist: I don't know whether or not a God exists but I believe in one. Agnostic Atheist: I don't know whether or not a God exists but I don't believe in one.
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@geekprotagonist1139 I know they are different. What I am saying is, agnosticism and theism/atheism go hand in hand. You can be both agnostic (which everyone should be) and either a theist or an atheist. People seem to think agnosticism is a safe space between theism and atheism. And it's not. It litteraly means "I don't know".
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@geekprotagonist1139 Belief is not the same as knowledge. I'm an agnostic atheist. I do not know whether or not there is a God, but I don't believe in one. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. No one is just an agnostic. You are either an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist.
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@geekprotagonist1139 Believing in something is not the same as knowing something as a fact. I believed in the Easter Bunny with all my heart. That didn't mean I knew he was real. You need to look up the definiton of belief and knowledge. It's not an oxymoron. I cannot say for certain whether or not there is a God, but due to a lack of evidence, I do not believe in one. BELIEF does not equal FACT or KNOWLEDGE. You misunderstand basic definitons
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raze dragon raze dragon That depends entirely on if the person is am agnostic or a gnostic. Most of my friends are believers. None of them have said that they know for a fact God is real, because that would be lying. If someone believes there is no God beyond a shadow of a doubt, they are not an atheist. That's an anti-theist. And they're just as dishonest as Gnostic theists. I understand what the definitons are. But you don't seem to comprehend that they are not mutually exclusive. I am an agnostic athiest. I have not come to a definitive conclusion because I cannot know the unknowable. That doesn't stop me from being an atheist. I am both, and it is not an oxymoron to say that.
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No. You must have a background check only if you are purchasing from a dealer. Her point refers to private sales.
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What do you think mammals are...?
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@Zander Jules No, I don't think it is. I literally know people who believe this.
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@bungeespeaks6081 Nope. I've had arguments with people who literally believe this.
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Now, I don't agree with the draft. That's a law that needs to be repealed. But you are comparing that to the right to bodily autonomy. Thats a false equivalence fallacy
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@noelmakarth156 And I said that should be a law to be abolished. However, the odds of ever needing a draft outside of another world war is almost nonexistent.
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Not if you buy it from a private vendor.
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@11B30Inf ...I'm not anti-gun by any means. I'm simply pointing out a fact.
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How is it selfish? You do realize that polyamorous relationships are consenting on all parties right? You make it sound as if a person in a monogamous relationship just brings in another person. We don't seek out others because our partner is missing something. We seek out people we fall in love with. It sounds like you have no idea how polyamory functions at all. I find monogamy just being possessive. You have a fear of being alone, so you make your partner stay with you. Does that sound rational to you? I am more in love and committed to my 2 partners than the vast majority of monogamous people I personally know.
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@exsanity4268 Do you not actually realize that there are polyamorous asexuals? The difference between being poly and a friendship is literally the act of being in love and in a relationship. Nobody is a "side partner" is a polyamorous relationship. You're thinking of an open relationship, which aren't the same thing.
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Except its not. Its just bad nomenclature.
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No. He interrupted her, on multiple occasions. He stated his beliefs as facts. That's not "standing up for what you believe in". That's "not understanding what an opinion is". He tried to tell her what she was, and when she tried to correct him he said "No you're an agnostic". Don't expect respect if you don't give it.
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No it isn't. That's just a fact.
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There are many. Look up some vegan athletes.
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So its not her body? Then explain to me how a fetus can develop its "own body" without her uterus and umbilical cord. Oh wait. It can't. It doesn't exist without the use of her uterus.
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@kingorange7739 Nice strawman. The difference is a newborn doesn't need its mother to live. Any other person could take care of it. A fetus specifically needs a woman's uterus to develop.
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I find the opposite to be true.
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@Anon-wq9te Blurp A defibulator is a machine used in ambulances to restart a heart that has stopped. It's not a machine you are hooked up to. Also no. If your brain dead, unless assuming you are being put on machines, then no. You aren't still alive. Yes, I would say someone who is only be kept alive because of machines is dead. Very rarely can you hear a heartbeat at 22 days, but even if you can, the fetuses heartbeat isn't beating on it's own. That's entirely the mother doing that while the circulatory system forms. Also no. The nerve synapses begin to form, that will eventually become the brain, between 4 and 5 weeks. The brainstem doesnt develop until between 10 and 12 weeks and the brain doesnt develop until between 15-16 weeks. Technically, theres no federal limit on abortion. Personally, I think 20 weeks is to late. I think the fetus gaining sentience is the cutoff point. Do you know the average time for an abortion? 6-8 weeks. The fetus is not sentient at this point, and I dont really care. I dont care about life. I care about sentience. No, abortion should be off the table before the end of the first trimester.
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@Anon-wq9te Blurp No, because I'm not a hypocrite. Animals have life, yet I support the slaughter of them because I like meat. I do not put humans on a pedestal. The fetus can't choose because it has no brain, and rarely are surgical abortions performed. I was a failed abortion, and I understand how downright miserable life can be when you are born to unfit parents. I'm tired of hearing CHILDREN scream about how they wish they had been aborted! I work in a profession where people like you, who shame a woman into not having an abortion, are at fault for a child now spending years in prison because they couldn't handle the abuse and shot their mother. Once again, I was a failed abortion. And despite all I have managed to accomplish I wish I had never been born. So many more people don't turn out like me. Their abused and miserable, usually ending up either in prison, or dead anyway.
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Of every woman I know that has had an abortion, only 2 regretted their decisions and wish the could do it over again. Many of the women I know didn't want an abortion, but felt they made the correct decision because of where they were at the time. It was her choice to make. She regrets it. That is not the opinion held by everyone. Until the fetus is sentient, it is my choice what happens to it.
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The father has options. He can go to court and terminate his rights if he doesn't want to pay for the child.
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Yes it would. Making abortion illegal would literally throw you in jail for your bodily autonomy. How does that not take away your rights?
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LilFruitloop LilPopTart That's kinda sad.
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LilFruitloop LilPopTart That's your religion? Being a complete asshole to people? What happened to love thy neighbor?
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Christian's believe in the Christian version of God. Atheists do not believe in a higher power.
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@chelseasmith2603 You can believe in the supernatural and still be an atheist. Atheism only applies to belief in a God or Gods.
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Sure, compared to a lot of other places its high. But its not high when you actually look at the numbers, especially when 80% of "gun violence" is suicide. No, its if a person comes at me with a gun, I'm on a level playing field. When the cops are 15 minutes away, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. You seem to just want criminals to own guns.
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Unintelligent Individual Because that isn't their right. You have autonomy over your own body
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Tomatos are fruits
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Yes you can and it does exist. Its just bad nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to private sales at shows.
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@jacobhuffstetler8991 The problem is you do not have to be a dealer to run a booth. Some booths are run by private citizens.
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They don't deserve what basically amounts to torture because they made a poor decision. These people aren't serial killers. You shouldn't lose basic human rights just because you commit a crime.
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You are more likely to be knocked over by a drunk than you are to be shot in the US.
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Facts don't care about your feelings. You most certainly can love more than one person.
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Someone doesn't comprehend what "murder" is.
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Every human is a "taker of life".
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No one should get the death penalty.
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@Saza9991 Absolutely true. Does not benefit society.
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@Saza9991 So does putting them in prison.
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Except its not the truth.
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shane128955 That's...not how atheism works...
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Really hard to debate with an uneducated, close-minded buffoon.
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@richardcharles8619 I wasn't talking about her. Though she was bull-headed.
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That's not what murder means.
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@Pro_Goober Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. I think the better question is why you feel the need to be dishonest and call it something it isn't? Why not just call it termination? Or if you want the more visceral response, call it killing?
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@Pro_Goober First off, fetus. Not baby. Baby is post utero. Secondly, both fetuses and babies are human. Fetuses however, are not recognized as such because they aren't "people", as they lack sentience. Again, dishonesty at its finest. No one is being murdered. A fetus is human (if we're speaking about humans) but is not considered one by law because ita not a person. Murder is a legal term. Use it as one.
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@Pro_Goober Potentially. 50% of pregnancies end in miscarriage. That's not the argument. Murder still have to be unlawful. Killing does not always equate to murder.
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@Pro_Goober You can literally use Google and pick from which source you want. There's also an OBGYN on YouTube who gives insight to all things pregnancy related. A miscarriage is always deadly what? A miscarriage is literally the loss of the fetus. Now I'm starting to think you're just a troll.
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@Pro_Goober Miscarriage is the loss of a fetus, also called a self abortion. I've never once changed the subject. You made the statement that all fetuses will be "more human" in 9 months. I simply pointed out that wasn't true.
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@Pro_Goober Its not murder because a) the fetus isn't a person legally (even if its human) and its not unlawful. Its that simple. A miscarriage is also known as a "self abortion" and was brought up as a counter point to something you said.
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@Pro_Goober But no one has an abortion at 9 months. So what point is that? Also again, no. Not necessarily. That implies that all children make it to term
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@Pro_Goober Except that's your opinion. I think its wrong to force someone to give birth who doesn't want to. And again, not all fetuses will make it to nine months
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@Pro_Goober And you assume that every pregnancy was consensual? The 2% of people who get abortions because of rape and medical complications is still millions of people.
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@Pro_Goober Oh...so then a child loses their value if it threatens the mothers life? You don't see the hypocrisy in that?
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@Pro_Goober And why is that? I think liberty and life should be equal regardless. I don't think you should get to live at another person's expense.
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Wow. You both are actual assholes that have no idea how the world can work huh? Taking a life doesn't make something murder. If the right to life is most important, would you be okay with a doctor forcefully taking your organs to give to people who need them? I doubt it.
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@NM-ej3xw Plenty more examples of people ending up in prison or committing suicide from coming from poor families. By the way, most people are pro-choice. Also, you can be anti-abortion and pro-choice. Ignorant stupidity at its finest.
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@vincentsong8751 No, I meant while you were alive. A doctor, while you're still living, taking your organs without your consent and giving them to people who will die without them. Life is most important right? No matter how bad others suffer? Abortion isn't murder. Get over it.
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@vincentsong8751 It doesn't. Ever heard of the death penalty? Self defense? Murder is a legal term. Killing =/= murder.
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@vincentsong8751 I was showing you the fault in your logic. If life is most important, shouldn't a doctor be allowed to take a person's organs by force to save someone else if the patient will not die?
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@vincentsong8751 You aren't pro-life unless you literally are telling people they can't have abortions. Show me a fetus that can develop outside of a uterus, and you might have an argument for it not being "her body". Someone having value depends on the person giving them value. I place value on sentience, not on life.
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@vincentsong8751 No it isn't. Once again shows you know nothing about the law. Killing a pregnant woman is murder of the woman and unlawful termination of a pregnancy in nearly all cases. And shouldn't you support organ harvesting? Life is the most important thing right? So shouldn't some else's life be above your comfort? Life begins at conception. But life isn't what matters. Not to most. Are you against DNR's and euthanasia as well?
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@vincentsong8751 No I don't. If life is the ultimate right, then shouldn't you be forced to donate organs you don't need to those who will die if you don't? Since pro-life is literally about ending all abortions?
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@vincentsong8751 You actually fail to see the point. I am drawing a comparison. You said in your original comment that life trumps all. The right to life the most important. And that's why people shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion. If the right to life is so important that it trumps one's right to bodily autonomy, then shouldn't it also be the case that a doctor can forcefully take lets say, your kidney, because that kidney is necessary for the life of someone else? That's what you say about pregnant people, so shouldn't it apply to everyone?
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@vincentsong8751 But that's exactly what you do when you advocate against abortion. You sacrifice the mother's right to liberty and bodily autonomy for the fetus' right to life. That was my entire point.
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@vincentsong8751 When its no longer using her uterus for viability. Show me one instance of a fetus that does not need to USE someone else for its survival.
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@vincentsong8751 Anywhere between 15 and 20 weeks. By then, the neural network is formed and a brainstem is active. I believe the earliest delivered child that survived was 20 weeks.
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@vincentsong8751 Is a fetus able to grow any limbs or a head without implantation into someone else's organ where it feeds off of her nutrients? Also, since when does body parts mean anything? Just because they're in the process of developing and growing doesn't mean they aren't using another person to do that. Again, should I be allowed to take your kidney since you only need one to survive and I will die without it? Should I be allowed to use your organ to benefit myself without giving you any benefit, and often causing problems?
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@vincentsong8751 No, its part of the mother because its using her uterus. And by the way, these appendages that you are describing define themselves after most abortions take place.
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@vincentsong8751 So what if its already living? I'm living. So do I have a right to your kidney to survive?
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@vincentsong8751 And again, a fetus has no right to use my body to sustain its life unless I give consent. Just as I have no right to your kidney without your consent. When a fetus doesn't need a human uterus to grow, you'll have an argument that it's not her body. We aren't disagreeing on that. No, it has life from conception. I agree. That isn't the point. The point is you do not get to live at the expense of someone else.
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@NM-ej3xw Yes because you need every organ to live. Clearly that's not what I meant. You simply just proved my point. Its wrong if you don't give consent. That's exactly why abortion exists.
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@NM-ej3xw I agree to use protection. But guess what? That doesn't always help. It is your responsibility. Thats why abortion exists. To argue that abortion isn't taking responsibility isn't accurate. I'm well aware we can't be kids forever, so try to stop acting like one and think with a little bit of nuance.
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@NM-ej3xw That is not at all how kidney's fuction. Plenty of people live perfectly healthy adult lives without 2 kidneys. A normal healthy adult can live with one kidney. And if life is most important, shouldn't life come before all? That's the flaw I have in your reasoning. Getting pregnant directly puts you at risk. Why does it not go both ways? Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@NM-ej3xw And forcing someone to carry a pregnancy that they do not want is also directly puts their life in danger. You see way more pregnancy complications then you see people who have a problem donating an organ. Your argument is inherently hypocritical.
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@NM-ej3xw If you're not arguing that abortion should be allowed if your life is in danger, then you aren't pro-life. You are pro-choice. No, most abortions are performed because a mother feels incapable of taking care of that child after birth.
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@NM-ej3xw Then I guess since your pro-choice, that makes you a loser. Since pro-choice people are losers. The bottom line is, if you're against abortion because parents do not want it, but aren't against abortions for rape, incest or medical necessity, they you're a hypocrite. Why does the value of life change just because the pregnancy could harm the mother or because it was concieved violently? See the problem with the argument? I don't actually think your a loser, nor do I think you're a bad person by the way. And I agree with you in your feeling to want abortions to end. I just want you to see how this argument isn't black and white.
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And its not.
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@ashchong Still doesn't make it murder.
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@Amy-zw4mk Literally the definiton of murder is the "unlawful killing of another human being".
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@Amy-zw4mk A. Because even though we disagree, a fetus isn't considered legally a person and B. Because it is not unlawful.
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@Amy-zw4mk Personally, I do believe it is human life. Thats why I said I disagree with the law. But I also don't believe life is inherently valuable.
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@Amy-zw4mk I'm pro-choice.
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Depends on who and where you're buying it from.
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Most vegans honestly go vegan for health reasons. One could however argue that it is hypocritcal to put say a dog or a cat on a pedastal and not provide the same rights to a cow or chicken. I think the ethical side comes more from pets opposed to farm animals rather than humans and other animals
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But not everyone who supports the right to choose, including abortion, wishes they were.
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Lizzie Allen Not really. Denied and missed opportunities are not taking advantage of life.
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@matt1325 Then please, do not have children. Also, stop pushing th false narrative that fetuses are dismembered during most abortions. That is simply not the case.
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You do realize that hospitals and doctors have DNR's and perform slow codes right? They will not save a life if there is no benefit to a person. And how is pulling the plug on a comatose person immoral, especially if that is what they wanted?
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@jamescurley8559 Only in your opinion do they have the same value. I don't, personally, believe anyone has inherent value. You don't have the right to live if your right interferes with that of another. I can't force you to donate a kidney to me because it will save my life. That violates your right to liberty. Its the same with pregnancy. A fetus cannot use a woman's uterus to its benefit without her consent. That violates her liberty and thats why abortion is an option. Morality is subjective. I see nothing wrong with pulling the plug on someone who will not get better.
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Kinda funny considering the Bible is pro-choice.
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@andrewthomas365 Well I don't believe in God, so...
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@andrewthomas365 No, it actually doesn't. But that is your belief.
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If you fail to have a proper marriage just because you had sex prior, thats on no fault of the sex. Thats you not being able to function in a stable relationship.
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@Mark-go7qm You act as if everyone who has been born who is pro-choice would have chosen to be born over being aborted.
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@Humanity Galatica Yes because we want rights to our own bodies, we must be anti human. Waiting for all the pro-lifers to fix the contraception and foster care system.
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Mass shootings are not performed with machine guns, which aren't even legal anyways, so why take them away? Most shootings are done with handguns.
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tony For the same reason every Christian looks like a drug pusher.
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There is. If you're buying from a dealer. Private sales do not require anything but a state ID most places.
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@matty_mccarthy Nothing on the part of the buyer.
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@red3768 I'm talking about anyone who is selling a gun without an FFL license. It is not required at gunshows in most states if you're not buying from a dealer. I have never had a background on my guns, but that's because they were purchased privately.
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Depends on where you live.
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Which is why we're atheists.
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No one is inherently valuable. That is simply a matter of your personal opinion, and your opinion should not supersede someone's rights.
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@nasquamastudios That doesn't make someone valuable just because they have a conscious. Value is something you place on something. Its not something that exists outside of a sentient brain. In your opinion, humans are valuable. In my opinion, they're not.
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@joe2times381 I could say the same to you.
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@joe2times381 I said humans have no inherent value. You can surely assign value to humans. Its about inherent rights.
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@joe2times381 You're trying to establish that one right is more important or valuable than another.
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@joe2times381 We live in a society that deems SENTIENT life as valuable. That's not inherent or natural. Nature doesn't care if you live or die. Those resources are NOT always available, and the bottom line is that a fetuses right to life does not supersede the mothers right to liberty. The fetuses rights stop at the uterine wall. If I could not take care of it, and I had no guarantee of it living a healthy life, I would opt to not have it be born. That is me. That is my choice. Because I've been through it. The man should have a say. But the woman has FINAL say. Its USING HER BODY. Not his. Its not insane when you have lived the shitty life you advocate for.
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@joe2times381 Whether or not you think its terrible is frankly irrelevant to me. I feel the same. Nothing is objectively true in life. Of course me feeling a certain way in life doesn't make it objectively right. The same could be said about you. Pregnancy is avoidable, and I absolutely agree that is should be if possible. But that isn't realistic when discussing abortion. The act is already done. I'm saying I'm a person who can do what she wants with her body, and should not be forced into something I do not consent to.
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Not all of us.
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It depends on who you're buying from.
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@user-iz7fj1zj7z Private sales are not illegal and don't require a background check.
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@qcwred That absolutely can be a vendor at a show. There is no federal law that prohibits private vendors from selling at shows. Those laws are left up to the states.
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@andrewlee4353 Most guns used in shootings are bought legally, but then are gotten illegally by shooters.
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@qcwred I'm well aware of that. But that includes at shows. This is not a loophole. Its simply the law.
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@andrewlee4353 No. At least, not in the way its presented.
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@andrewlee4353 Exactly.
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Evidence needed. Just because we don't have the answers doesn't mean you should just insert the supernatural.
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The difference is a carnivorous animal needs meat to survive. Humans do not.
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@janieswanson2549 And I've mentioned in multiple other comments that I am in a very slim minority and that this is speaking in general terms. Don't you have anything better to do than continue to be an ignorant moron on the internet?
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@strive4252 Abortion isn't murder (at least in the states). That is a fact, not an opinion. The only one who cares about an unborn child not living a life is you. The fetus doesn't care.
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@strive4252 I'm an abortion survivor. Everyone is different. You cannot miss something you never had.
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@strive4252 It is killing and perhaps may be immoral in your opinion. I think its immoral to being a child into the world that you cannot care for to neglect and abuse it. But these are our aubjective opinions. No its not the same at all, and you failed biology if you believe that.
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So? He doesn't deserve respect. Also, being honest is not being disrespectful
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Yes he was wrong. And your statement proves you didn't look it up. Yes, she is agnostic. But she's also atheist. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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How so?
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@andrechartier9689 I don't know any vegan who would save an animal over a baby, myself included.
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Absolutely!
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James Films It makes me loose faith in humanity about all these non-vegan pro-capital punishment ignorant hypocrites who don't even bother trying to see it from the other side
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@manialord1699 I'm here because my parents had sex and my mother was guilted into not aborting me. That doesn't prove a God.
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@manialord1699 Man was never made. Man evolved.
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@manialord1699 I don't know. For all we know, time could be eternal. The difference between us is I'm willing to say I don't know. You default to fallacies.
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@manialord1699 Nope. Not at all. Death is a party everyone is invited too. I was in nothingness before I was born, so it makes no difference to me whether or not there's an afterlife.
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@criticclips1560 Answer what question? I answered what was asked.
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@criticclips1560 That is already a false pretense because it implies that a "who" exists?
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@criticclips1560 No its not. Asking that question presumes that a "who" exists and thst man is "created" neither of which have been proven. If you want an answer, I don't know beyond evoultion how man came to be. I don't know how life originated. But neither do you. I'm just honest enought to say I don't know.
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The only vaccine that still uses thimerosal is certain types of flu vaccines. Tetnus, as well as the typical routine of vaccines, stopped using thimerosal in 1996. And other vaccines, such as the MMR, never used it in the first place. Thimerosal is a mercury compound that has never been proven to be dangerous to humans.
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@alanrod1234 Thimerosal is not mercury. Its a mercury compund. Also, mercury does not cause autism. Autism is a genetic disorder you are either born with or your not. And that has nothing to do with vaccines, since mercury isn't used in them.
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@alanrod1234 "Also, in the past, humans were a lot healthier" So not only did you fail chemistry and biology, you failed history. No one has EVER lived past 200 years, and people in the past lived on average between 30 and 40. The Black Plague nearly wiped Europe off the map.
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@alanrod1234 There is absolutely no evidence for that. Those are things people make up to try and prop up their religion. Again, vaccines no long contain mercury compounds. And you naturally consume aluminum. When people die because people refuse to vaccinate, you deserve everything that happens
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And it is. Thats not up for debate. Thats a medical fact.
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@rachelle5169 And when you get pregnant, you have a fetus attached by an umbilical cord to the placenta of the uterus, allowing that fetus to essentially steal your nutrients to grow.
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Yes. Because its her body the fetus is using. Although I definitely believe men should be involved, and a vast majority of women would not have an abortion if they knew their partner would be financially responsible. Not all, but many. Bottom line is this is a legal and rights issue.
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Depends on the state and who your buying from. Never had a background check at a show.
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Phibi Duvero No, an agnostic says there is no way to know for certain, something everyone should be. An atheist lacks a belief in a God. An agnostic atheist doesn't know whether or not a god exists but does not believe in one
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It already is. Tax money does not go to abortions. That's against the Hyde ammendment.
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Because the man doesn't have the fetus growing inside him. He should certainly be a part of the discussion. But a vast majority of abortions happen because the man gets up and leaves, abandoning the woman.
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Because that is absoutely not true. If you want a country based on "moral laws" from religion, you would be looking at somewhere like Saudi Arabia. Our founding fathers were NOT religious. They were deists. Believed in all religions deserving equal respect. Most of laws we have in place now completely contradict the Bible and the Quran.
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I certainly think men are underrepresented and should certainly have a say. But for the record, you should go to jail for child support, just like a woman does if a man gets custody and doesn't pay. No matter what side your own, we should treat the inequalities
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VapeDaddy Smoke The issue isn't life. No one denies the fetus is living. But it's only living off the host mother, because it has not yet developed the criteria needed to live on its own. It's not about life. It's about sentience.
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@aidanmclaughlin8354 no, because they're stubborn and like to pretend their beliefs are facts. And they're often rude.
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As long as you believe in the God of the Bible and that Jesus Christ is the messiah, you are a Christian. By the way, the Bible supports the abuse of women.
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What you just described is the absolute weakest argument for belief known as Pascal's Wager. Allow an atheist to debunk it. First off, not being religious doesnt mean you cannot lead a great, fulfilling life and be a good example to the world. I would argue religious people tend to be very poor, judgemental and evil examples of the world. Secondly, if a God exists, and he truly judges me on my beliefs instead of the good I did in life, he is a monstrous, capricious, tyrannical dictator who is not loving and undeserving of my love. Your God is a monster if Hell exists. Here's what you dont understand about Pascal's Wager. Say I am wrong and that there is a God. What happens of it isnt the Christian God? What if its Krishna? Vishnu? Allah? Odin? Zeus? Horus? Guess what then hon? Your fucked as well, because you were worshipping a false idol. Belief in anything supernatural should be withheld until evidence can be provided.
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I don't believe more advanced equates to higher value. Value only means something as a description of worth.
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@Humanity Galatica That depends on if you mean "objectively evil" based on my moral framework or based on nature. They were evil in my opinion, because what they did goes against my values of secular humanism. But is that objective? No.
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@Humanity Galatica Depends on your moral framework
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Prisoners certainly do not share the same opinion.
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Yes, there are.
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Lmao, that belief has been around long before the Bible. Considering how much the Bible stole from other religious groups.
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The definition of an atheist is exactly what she said. She just added agnostic into it. She didn't get pissed at being called agnostic. She is. She got pissed that he said she wasn't an atheist, which she is. Agnostic is an adjective, not a noun. Everyone should be agnostic.
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No, we're not at the top of the food chain. Not scientifically anyway. Food chains are measured by trophic levels.
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@celestelalianna7276 No problem
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And all of those methods can fail. What then?
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And then watch the country revolt for the blatant violation of the Constitution.
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Yes it is. Just not in the same manner.
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missbighouse The old guy is clearly suffering from delusions and dementia
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While this may be true, there are vegans who abstain from animal products because of dietary pr environmental reasons. That doesn't mean they aren't vegan.
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@Mabel Wilson Except it isn't murder. The one's being rude are you. I respect your view. I understand it. You don't understand mine.
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@tuub1281 They make perfect sense. Their point was enacting gun laws will do nothing for gun crime. You will make it harder for honest, law abiding citizens to own and carry and make it easier for criminals.
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@tuub1281 But your operating under this false pretense that decreasing guns will decrease the amount of weapons available to criminals. That is NOT reality. When you restrict something, you INCREASE the availability to those who don't care for the law. Look at Prohibition. Banning guns, or limiting access to guns makes it easier to put them in criminal hands. Look at drugs.
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@tuub1281 Tuub Drugs at one time were legal. When they were outlawed, you gave rise to cartels. Except that isn't true. Less guns "in general" (which I assume you mean in the country) equals more guns for criminals. Again, you give rise to cartels, and you force people who would be law abiding citizens with no alternative but to buy illegally. No. When you restrict guns, less GOOD people get to own guns. It does nothing for criminals, because they'll get them anyway. Most of the guns sold in the US are NOT produced here. They are imported. What you are describing is absolute fairytale nonsense. If your idea were true, then when drugs were banned, people would have stopped having access to them. But guess what? They didn't. They got them from outside sources or they made them themselves. That is absoulte horseshit. I can tell you don't live in a country where guns are available. Also no, that's not how that works. You cannot compare countries. Its fallacious. Your economics, crime rate, and culture are all different. Its funny you bring up guns targeting other criminals, as thats the same in the US. The vast majority of REAL gun crime in the US are gang related. Not murder of innocent people. That number also counts for suicide and accidental discharge. You act like being shot is the worst way to die.
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If he didn't want you there, he has the power not to send you there. So if hell exists, then no. Your God isn't loving. He's a tyrant with an inferiority complex.
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No, that wasn't the point. The point was to have a healthy discussion and try to understand the other person's side. Neither of which he was trying to do.
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@Will-ip8og Telling people you believe they are wrong is not the issue. Pretending that you are right and stating others are objectively wrong when your argument is not based on evidence makes you look like an asshole.
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Wow, the ignorance is strong. So what would you call my poly 7 year marriage if not a relationship? Its almost like its possible to equally love multiple people. My relationship literally disproves you.
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유창완 You sound like an agnostic atheist, because it doesn't sound like you believe in a god. Agnosticism is not a stand alone claim.
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유창완 In English, an atheist is just someone who does not believe in a god, but doesn't deny that one might exist.
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@ChrisMacal I mean...she can. There's literally nothing stopping her.
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@ChrisMacal Depends on who your asking.
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@ahmedalbannah6251 Since my sister was raped and murdered, I stand by the decision I made. Life in prison.
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Lizzie Allen Rape victimizes a sentient individual. Abortion does not.
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Because its that easy right? And condoms are always effective, right?
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@idontevenknow8759 That is not true. They're closer to between 87 and 92% effective. And even THEN millions of women get pregnant because condoms fail.
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@idontevenknow8759 That isn't true either. Even correctly used, they still work about 92% on average. The number gets lower, closer to 73%, when used incorrectly. And even if that were the case, choosing to have unprotected sex does not mean one loses her right to abort if she chooses.
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@idontevenknow8759 And planned parenthood are not medical doctors and get things wrong. They go by the manufacturer. Are they effective? Sure. Do they always prevent? No. Thats my point.
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Humans...are animals...?
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@mathildeyoung1823 So? So do DNR's and slow codes. Should we not have them?
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As a rape victim, no. Absolutely not.
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@Abel Abel Humans are not at the top of the food chain.
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@Abel Abel That is not how food chains work. And even by that logic, you still aren't on top. Bears, Hyenas and Crocodiles all eat humans.
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Because it doesn't? You're not special just because you were born.
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You know...polyamorous asexual people exist.
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"Its not fair to try and make a decision based on your perception of value" That's exactly what YOU'RE doing. Many of us don't believe life has inherent value, so its irritating to have it pushed on us that it is.
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@leslieloftis4787 You have no right to violate another's rights to pursue your own.
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@leslieloftis4787 You're not violating anyone's rights unless you are actively trying to overturn abortion. I'm only "offended" when someone's "opinion" directly interferes with other humans, which many pro-life advocates do. Technically, an unborn fetus has no legal rights. But if it did (which even I believe it should) its rights are equal to the mother's. And its rights cannot violate anothers. Thats why abortion is an option.
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Abortion is dealing with the consequences. And protected sex doesn't guarantee you won't get pregnant.
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Almost Famous I know how abortions are done. Still pro choice. And no, I'm not heartless.
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Almost Famous a) Most abortions aren't performed that way and b) it's a fetus. Not a baby.
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But we aren't obligate omnivores and do not have to eat meat.
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I assume this is a high school essay. You'd get absoutely poor marks in a college level CJ class.
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@bryant_pham Except it is known. Its right on the insert. We know the likelihood of getting a negative reaction. The insert lists the warnings right on it. By the way, we have a whole court system for vaccine related injuries. I work in the medical field, and I would have never gotten into this work if I didn't care. I love my patients. Billions of dollars goes into cancer research, but a cure has not yet been found. Very few doctors care more about money that patients.
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Tends to be less about life and more about sentience in my experience.
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You mean Bob Sears? He's a disgrace who lost his medical license for lies he spread about vaccines.
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Girls are sterotypically smarter. If there's no benefit to a law for society, it should be done away with.
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While I don't care what you eat, thats not the argument. Animals eat other animals because they must from a nutritional standpoint. Humans do not need meat to be nutritionally healthy.
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No, its not. Murder is a legal term. And it is a medical procedure. You're not killing anything near a small child. And would you please do some basic research on how most abortions are performed? Because they aren't done surgically. Ending life doesn't make something murder. For once, stop lying.
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You do realize thats not the argument, right?
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@commonsensesammy2082 I'm really sorry you've experienced that. I like to think I'm a mild vegan. I think that if your good in your health, eat whatever makes you feel good
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Leticia Rodrigues And some people don't take or can't take those options.
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There are plenty of liberals who do want to ban all guns, not allowing any citizen to purchase a firearm.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 If people are having sex specifically to get pregnant, having an abortion outside of necessity makes 0 sense. You're just lying now.
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I fail to see the argument. Plenty of people don't want a birthday.
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@wilfthebig7910 I am pro-choice.
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The only one who made up a definition was the old man. She is an atheist. And no, its not different because everyone should be agnostic. Its a redundant term.
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@amanmiykael8 That isn't true. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. You can be agnostic atheist or theist. I am agnostic and I certainly don't believe in a higher power.
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Manish Seal Pretty sure the other two Christians were agnostic theists
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I've been a vegan for over 10 years with 0 supplements and am perfectly healthy. You do not need supplements to be vegan. Especially if you live in a 1st world country.
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God said it of you're taking the Bible literally. A woman is property of her husband, and he can do whatever he wants to her. The only instance where she can ask for a divorce is if he is unfaithful. That severes their contract. Jesus is love, yet harkened back to things his father said, like ripping babies from mothers, selling virgins, and war. Doesn't sound so loving.
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@bluediamond4895 I never argued the fetus wasn't human. But that's not the point. To deny intercourse defies nature an is unhealthy, both physically and relationship wise. I'm all for practicing safe sex, and I believe abortion should be the absolute last resort. It is responsible to have an abortion. What would be irresponsible would be to have the child and neglect it. Sorry, but I don't believe life has intrinsic value.
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@TheBookWorm1718 You intentionally misunderstood what I said. Biologically and legally, a fetus is not a child until after it is born. "Handle that child" as in support it when it IS born. That's WHY they have the abortion. Because they cannot handle the duties that come with raising a child. That doesn't mean the pregnancy process doesn't have hardships, another reason some women chose to abort.
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@bluediamond4895 You aren't murdering a child. You are aborting a parasitic fetus that you cannot care for. Like I've stated multiple times. I think this should be a last resort. You can't just give a child away. There's a system you have to follow.
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@bluediamond4895 Because if you can't take care and neglect yourself how are you just NOT going to neglect a child? The brain doesn't work that way. It's not selfish to have an abortion. It's selfish to force someone to do something because it makes you happy. A fetus is not a child until after it is born, nor does it care at the time of most abortions what happens to it. Not all people are capable of love.
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@bluediamond4895 You still lack the basic understanding of what murder is. No, I don't think it's healthy to get pregnant and just immediately get an abortion. Last resort.
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@codnoob1152 I don't give a shit where you live. If where you live, if abortion is outlawed, the yes it's murder. It's not murder here. And no. Most women abort because they are not in physical health, are mentally ill, and/or cannot financially handle a child. If you kill it when it is sentient, in my opinion, its murder. THAT is not most abortion cases. There is a difference between life and sentience. Morality is subjective. I think it's immoral to deny a woman a right to her body, and to neglect a sentient child. The unborn doesn't care. It's not a child until after it is born.
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@TheBookWorm1718 You're arguing a technicality. I am speaking strictly LEGALLY and MEDICALLY.
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@operatorbutt4265 Because I see no logical reason to have them executed. I do not want to abolish capital punishment for morality. I want to abolish it because it isn't practical and doesn't benefit society. Use up prison space? How about stop putting people in prison for non violent offenses or focusing on rehabilitation for those that can and want it? You claim no one wants them back in society, but that has not been proven. "They should not have a second chance." That is your opinion. That is not the opinion held by everyone. Arguing against the death penalty while supporting long sentences for those who cannot be or do not want help is not hypocritical. You lack the understanding of what the prison system was originally meant for. Quicker and more merciful? Have you seen a botched execution? That is not quick, nor is it merciful. Of the top 5 countries in 2018 with the lowest crime rates, 2 have capital punishment. Of the top states in 2018 with the lowest crime rate, only 1 has the death penalty. So tell me again how abolishing the death penalty leads to a skyrocket in crimes. Also, no it's not. It is cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to execute them. This is common knowledge.
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@operatorbutt4265 If it's not common knowledge, it's because people do not care enough to research what their argument is before they make their point. That is no ones fault but their own. Whether or not the death penalty should be in place is an opinion. But whether or not the death penalty is more expensive is a fact.
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@operatorbutt4265 Can I prove that putting someone to death is more expensive?
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Why is it so bad to accept people how they are? How does it harm you?
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah, I don't believe that. I don't think its as easy as you try to make it out to be.
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But we're not the top of the food chain, and to claim so is false. Also, that is not how you determine trophic levels for a food chain.
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The majority of crops that are grown from areas that are deforested go to livestock. Not humans. You should do a little research on vegans, because most of us aren't like this. By the way, you're not an obligate omnivore.
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While most of what you said is true, they do not feel. They do react to outside stimuli, but all organic matter does. That is not the argument.
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That is anecdotal. I, for example, am simply someone who fell in love with two people. I love them both more than almost anything, and I am in a healthy and happy relationship.
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Two better words Not beneficial
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@digitz6610 That is such a strawman it isn't even funny.
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So I'm weird because I choose to try to harm other sentient beings as little as possible?
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A lot of idiots who failed an English class in the comments.
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Ankita Minhas He should matter. But your scenario is outliers. A majority of abortions happen because the man refuses to step up.
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Austin Chamberlain And that is why it is important to be able to differentiate between sentience and life. It becomes a baby when it develops the organs and nerves necessary to be classified scientifically as such. Abortion is not murder, as murder, by definition, is unlawful which abortion is not. No, human life has no intrinsic value. Only what you choose to do with your life gives you and your life value. You aren't born valuable.
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That depends on where you live. Where I live, almond milk is cheaper than cow's milk.
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@lasibel No one uses abortion as a contraceptive. But please keep showing how dishonest you are.
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@lasibel That is not at all what it means. Contraception literally prevents fertilization. Regardless of the reason, all abortions occur because "the parents want it". Whether that be rape, medical issues, or simply not wanting it, you need consent to have an abortion.
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@lasibel Abstinence has continuously been proven ineffective for education. Mosg People have a desire to have sex. We do it for pleasure.
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@hushpuppy2 You don't have inherent worth. That's just being honest.
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@hushpuppy2 Thats not an inherent rule. Thats a law imposed by some governments. Inherent means natural or born with. What part of nature tells you your valuable? None. You only have value if you or someone else gives you that value. You don't have inherent or natural rights. Rights do not exist without a government.
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@hushpuppy2 I'm sorry. What planet do you live on that humans were not slaughtering each other before the development of societies? You are valuable if you gice yourself value. That is not inherent. Its an adjective. I know many useless humans.
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@hushpuppy2 A government and dystem makes a society. And sort of like value, useless is an adjective. Who I may deem usesless, you may apply value to.
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You won't necessarily though because private sales occur at shows as well.
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@ukraineinvasionnews7792 I have been to several gun shows. In fact, all of my guns were purchased at gun shows. Its not that rare depending on thr state. Nearly all gun shows in my state are made up of private vendors, thus don't require background checks. Its up to the vendor whether they want to conduct one or not.
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@ukraineinvasionnews7792 Yep. In fact, I never had a background check on any of my guns. I only had a background check when I got my CCL. BUT all of my guns were purchased from private vendors, and I am very well aware that other shows consist of FFL dealers, and require a background check under federal law. Just depends on what state you're in and who you're buying from.
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1. It does not provide any more public safety than locking them up for life would. The death penalty being justice is entirely subjective, and should not be the basis for a law. Many victims and families are anti-death penalty. 2. Again. What you view is evil is entirely subjective. I could argue putting a criminal to death makes you just as guilty of killing. Most murderers are not a danger to society because most murders are 2nd degree, not 1st. We should focus more on rehabilitation. It would lower the recidivism rate.
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@brodhax6148 1. It isnt their choice. It's up to the prosecution. Do they often take the families wishes into consideration? Yes. But ultimately they have the final say. You're need for vengeance should not dictate a persons life, no matter how "evil" they are. That's wrong. The law is not intended to be based on feelings. It should be based on its benefit to society. 2. Death penalties are rarely handed out anymore anyways. So why is more of my money going to house someone who will have their sentence commuted anyways? Evil is a subjective concept, and 1 in 25 people who currently sit on death row are innocent. I didn't say there was a gray area. But why should your subjective opinion dictate the law? No, it shouldn't be up to the victims family. And yes, I know what it's like. Everyone who genuinely wants to change should get the opportunity to get help. If the victims family demands death, they should go right on the gurney with the condemned, because they clearly are incapable of thinking rationally or feeling empathy. We have a word for that: Psychopath. If a law is not beneficial or practical, only based on overwhelming emotions, it should be done away with.
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Please link it, because I'm positive you pulled that out of your ass or got it from an unreliable source.
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@jackgodfrey. "would have had a wonderful life?" What kind of delusion do you live in?
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@jackgodfrey. I really wish my mother had. Would have saved me a horrid life that resulted in permanent disabilities.
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@jackgodfrey. What good is a vocal talent when you can't move? When you have difficulty even staying on beat. Life may be wonderful for you, and I would be lying if I said my life didn't have happy moments, but they were not worth the pain and suffering I went through. And that I continue to suffer. Things change in 5-6 years.
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Having an abortion is not running away. It's taking responsibility by realizing you are too unstable and immature to properly raise a child. I'm a failed abortion, and I would never wish the life I had on anyone, even though I pulled out of it. By the way, a fetus doesn't grow in your stomach. I make the argument it isnt right to force an unfit mother to birth a child and expose that child to violence and abuse. If you want to end abortion someday, treat the root causes.
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Lizzie Allen Taxpayers do not fund abortions. That's against the federal law. You pay for an abortion out of pocket.
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No, the deterrent is because of a different culture.
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@emo81309 No, thats a lie. You confuse culture with religion. Not only that, Saudi Arabia is a country known for human rights violations. You are a criminal for speaking out against a faith. Of the 5 states that have the least crime, 1 has capital punishment. Of the top 5 countries with the lowest crime, 2 have capital punishment.
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A Day With Dan! Gotta prove to us your Lord exists first.
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Oh boy. Wait until you hear that 50% of pregnancy ends in "self abortion."
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No, not necessarily. To buy a gun in most states, all you need is a state ID.
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Sentience and consciousness do have scientific bearing. And that should be the argument, not life. Since when do you give a damn about life? You place humans on a pedestal and only care about protecting their life. Get off your high horse and understand why a woman would choose to have an abortion. I'm not anti-life just because I'm pro-choice.
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@vyoace3803 "I take two entirely different scenarios and project what I think is better on others because I'm biased"
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@vyoace3803 "I don't really have a point to make, so I project my beliefs onto others simply because I do not agree with them" In all seriousness, you projected. I don't think anyone here looks angry, and not smiling doesn't mean you aren't happy. I'm calm and comfortable knowing I cannot lose as an atheist, whereas most Christians I know don't live a fulfilling life.
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And what then happens when those preventatives fail?
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Then you're just factually incorrect.
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No, that isn't true. Private sales do not require background checks in most states
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Because abortion does not fall under the established definition of murder.
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And what makes me sick?
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Sometimes.
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@dluvv19761 Depends on the state.
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@CaptainCocaine Federal law only applies to FFL dealers. Everything else is handled by the state
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@CaptainCocaine Yes they are because most states have 0 restrictions on them. Which means no background check. I agree there's no gun show loophole. Private sales aren't restricted to shows.
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@CaptainCocaine You're original comment was that there are background checks at gun shows. This is not always true, which is why I commented. Gun shows CAN have background checks, depending on who's selling. What the "gunshow loophole" refers to is the private sale of firearms at shows, which are exempt from background checks in most scenarios.
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@CaptainCocaine Yes it is. All I was pointing out is that in someplaces there aren't. I don't disagree that there is no loophole.
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@CaptainCocaine Any of the 36 states that do not put restrictions on private sales and in those states, any show with private vendors. We are in agreement.
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@CaptainCocaine I never said that a gunshow had only private sellers. Although the one I went when I purchased mine did. What I was saying was that 36 states put no restrictions on private sales, and that private vendors often sell at shows in these states. I can only give you my personal experience.
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@CaptainCocaine What I meant was there are vendors at many gun shows that don't do background checks. Not that shows in general don't run them. I will say that no show I personally have been to have FFL dealers that sell, but they're relatively small and I've only been to 2.
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Ehhh thats not true. Any diet, vegan or omnivorous can be unhealthy. Also, thats a flat out lie. Eating a vegan diet no way increases your risk of cancer unless you do not do it properly. Meat, especially red and processed meat, raises your risk of: Cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, cancer and stroke. There is nothing in a meat diet that cannot be gotten in a vegan diet through fortified foods and companion meals. Also, we are not at the top of the food chain. We're in the middle. I don't care what you eat, but get your facts straight.
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Law enforcement does follow the law in most cases. The problem is one bad apple makes everyone look bad.
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Except that isn't true of all people.
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Mental illness is something you're born with that develops over time. It's not just something you can randomly catch. Having a child you can't handle can also lead to suicide. Most women I know are upset that it came to abortion, but do not regret it.
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Ya'll need to prove God exists.
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@MyChannel-eo8ic Which would still be more expensive than life in prison, unless you skip the appeals process. In which case, youd just raise the risk of executing an innocent person.
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Thats called an argument from emotion fallacy.
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Thats terrible for the body.
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@911skateordie Sorry, but you're wrong. I am much healthier on a vegan diet than I ever was eating meat. That being said, I know my diet isn't for everyone.
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Yes you can. Just depends on who you're buying from and where. All of my guns were purchased at shows. Never had a background check.
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@tunerimports No, thats where your wrong. You do not have to have an FFL license to sell at a gun show. Private sellers often sell at shows, and there is no mandatory background check on private sales of firearms.
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Yeah, I doubt any of them are actually pro-life. I know many gorgous people who are pro-choice.
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So what about the cases where birth control and protection fail? Also, I don't personally know any woman that has a guilty conscience about aborting. Sure, they wish they had been in a position to take care of their child. But they believe they made the right decision.
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Being alive is not the argument of ethical vegans. Its being sentient.
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Neither does the US.
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@ElysianSounds Yes. Because it doesn't. Sorry if the media has fooled you into thinking we do.
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I've never had a background check on any firearm I've purchased at shows. Depends on who and where you're buying from.
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If you studied Biology and came to that conclusion, you failed miserably.
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You're honestly an idiot if you believe the crime rate of Saudi Arabia is 0.
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The best diet is whatever makes you as person feel the healthiest.
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Who are you to judge who deserves to die? Thats such a subjective mindset. If I think you deserve to die, should you then? Be rational.
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While I know they exist, I don't personally know any vegan who is nutrient deficient. If you do it right, you won't be. I'm much healthier on a vegan diet, but thats just me.
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@ankscrispymarz I am entirely healthy and do not have nearly to problems I had when I consumed meat. It sounds like you're the sheep buying into the belief that ALL vegans are nutrient deficient.
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What do you define as mental issues? Nearly 70% of the country has mental issues. You more than likely have some yourself, even if mild.
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@Study49-yt I have clinical depression, ptsd, and severe anxiety. I have nevee been violent towards anyone. I should have a right to own a firearm just like anyone else.
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@KatOnline I also never said it wasn't killing. It is. But again, that isn't the point. I have no issue with suicide. I actually think its quite despicable to make someone who is unhappy live when they don't want to, which is why I support euthanasia. But just like abortion, I certainly don't think it should be an impulsive split second decision, and is certainly something to reach out about. Being alive doesn't matter in the context to of the abortion debate. Please, don't deliberately take my words out of context.
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@KatOnline Morality has always been and will always be subjective. Human beings cannot live without hurting others. In your own life, you have to come first. I don't think immense suffering is superior to death, and I think that reasoning comes from a place of privilege. Frankly, its ignorant and condescending. Who's life did you save when that mother abuses her child to death? Or neglects it to death? Whose life did you save when that child is robbed of a future when it can actually experience? You may claim to care, but you're actually quite ignorant and uncaring.
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@nickstojic6995 No, I would tend to say that those who are pro-life actually don't believe that, because they guilt and manipulate people into giving birth and then abandon that child into an abusive household. I fail to see the "selflessness" in that, and tend to see pro-life people only interested in moral grandstanding. We aren't discussing children. We are discussing fetuses. No, I actually don't. And I have plenty of other comments to back that up. I am well aware that there are many people who are severely abused and neglected who are happy to be born. If anything, I envy these types of people. They will live a life full of immense suffering. That is not debateable. What is debateable is that some actually use that as a strength to continue to be positive. That's an amazing thing. My issue stems from the general thought that death is worse than suffering, because it ignores those of us who aren't that strong. What you think honestly doesn't matter. Statistics do not agree with you. Those born to parents who did not want them, or lack the capacity to care for them, are abused and neglected more frequently. Does that always happen? No, of course not. But that is a minority.
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@KatOnline That's not thinking logically. Thats moral grandstanding. Isn't forcing someone to stay alive for your happiness selfish as well? Everyone should have the right to their body. Everyone should have a right to die when they see fit. You just make yourself out to be a hypocrite, to be honest.
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@KatOnline Why is it only physical pain? Wouldn't you say that mental pain could be just as delibitating?
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@nickstojic6995 And as far as children born, I agree. I do not agree during the actual pregnancy when you do not consent to the fetus using your uterus and it is not sentient. That's where "value" should be placed. Because banning abortions does not make lives better. Ideally, abortions would not be necessary. But we do not live in an ideal world. I'm all for improving on how to make those lives better. But banning abortion is not the answer. If more people strive for opening resources and opportunities to make lives better, then hopefully, we will see the number of abortions go down. Unfortunately, its typically pro-lifers who shoot themselves in the foot.
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@KatOnline Again, that's a very ignorant way of thinking. They don't go for euthanasia because it isn't an option. So they inact suicide. Not all damage to the mind or body can ever be fixed. I'm sorry that happened to your friend, but that happened because people do not support the right to euthanasia. We do it for our pets when they are no longer happy. Why not grant that to humans as well?
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@KatOnline I'm sorry that you feel it's gotten hostile, and if that's the impression I gave, I apologize. I want to clarify that I understand your position, and do not think you, as a person, are ignorant or condescending, even if I feel some of you positions are. I understand being emotionally sensitive. I'm the same way. I understand that just looking at the big picture is disturbing. But I think if you talked to more people who have been destroyed by unfit parents and who have suffered all their life, you may just get a better image of both sides.
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Plants cannot suffer. They have no sentience.
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That's called Pascals Wager. And its probably the shittiest argument. There have been thousands of Gods worshipped thoughout time. What if your God is wrong?
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No they don't. They have no brain.
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@at7860 You cannot feel without a brain or a central nervous system. It can respond to outside stimuli. But to call that feeling is dishonest
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Medically, that isn't accurate. The fetus is attached to your placenta, and that body is forming only by using you and the nutrients you provide it. It is biologically attached to you. It isn't seperate from you until the umbilical cord is severed. It can't give permission. Its not sentient. Protected sex doesn't prevent pregnancy, and adoption doesn't guarantee a healthy and happy life. The bottom line remains is that fetus's rights do not trump hers. They stop at the uterine wall.
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@Talos_The_King Not at the time of most abortions it doesn't. I absoutely side with you at senteince and brain activity, but that is after most abortions.
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@dutchpatriot17 Pretty sure I didn't mispell cat.
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@dutchpatriot17 Counterargument to what?
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Because it is. Saving it from torment and abuse. You may think death is worse, but that's probably because you had people care for you.
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@SlLENCE I have no issue with suicide. I think people should have the right to die if they are truly unhappy.
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@SlLENCE I would certainly sit down and listen to them. I would give them a shoulder to cry on, and try to help them see a bright side to their situation. I would never encourage suicide. I just think it occurs when pain outweighs pain management, and if people are really suffering and feel death is their release, they should be entitled to make that decision.
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You don't have to be though.
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Thats not true at all.
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@pamelasmith1924 Whether or not they deserve death is not up to you. Its up to the person they harmed. I've been a victim, and no. I don't feel the same. And neither do most victims. That is an absolute lie. You can only speak for yourself
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LickMy Toaster Humans inherently don't have worth, and I'm quite proud of myself as an atheist.
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She's also definitely an atheist.
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Most murderers are sane.
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People who generalize are ignorant.
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I really hope your not actually for defunding police. Remove the bad cops. Change the laws that protect them. But don't place blame on the majority of law enforcement that want to help. BLM can be incredibly toxic, although they have mostly good people and a pure message. But threatening violence in response to violence gets no one anywhere.
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No, it isn't.
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Depends on the type of vegan. I know many ethical vegans that get upset from swatting a mosquito.
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Its just not though.
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Your entire comment is a fallacy. An argument from emotion fallacy. Laws should be based on benefit for society. Not feelings.
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Because there is no such thing as "pro gun reform". Restrictions on guns is not pro-gun.
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Same answer. Because gun law reform does nothing for gun crime.
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No, because there isn't. There is no way to get rid of guns. Better for good people to have them.
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Adding more restrictions will not fix that. Put them into law abiding citizens hands. Get rid of gun free zones. Allow people to carry.
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The measures you take to keep guns out of criminals hands WILL NOT affect criminals. They will only affect law abiding citizens. Whether or not they are caught doesn't make a difference.
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No, I just live here and understand that there isn't a problem. Why do you believe there is? You have a better chance of being run over with a car then you do being shot.
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So in other words, you refuse to provide any evidence there's a gun crime problem.
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Tenhead They're a sentient being at 2 and 3. They're a non sentient parasite when they're aborted. Quit comparing apples to oranges.
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Mathilde Young If you really think it's for convience, then you're an idiot. Go out and talk to these women and maybe get perspective on why they had an abortion.
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Tenhead Murder is punished because it violates the Constitution, but abortion is not murder. Many children I know wish they had been aborted, because they suffered through torment and misery from parents that couldn't take care of them.
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That is actually incorrect. An atheist is a person who does not believe in a God or Gods. Colloquial atheism tells you nothing else but belief, which is why we use the redundant term agnostic. Quit confusing colloquial with philosophical and you'll be fine.
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@hettinga359 That would make you a hypocrite then.
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Raa16 Not really. Pessimism is just a view from a half empty perspective. Many view pessimism as the most realistic viewpoint to have. Though I understand why people perceive it as negative. Reality, in general, is pessimistic. You have to work with the knowledge that you could do everything right and still fail. I do not understand how you perceive that as unestablished.
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You are so ignorant and dishonest on this subject its laughable. Did you know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion? Probably not, since you don't know how most abortions are performed.
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Yep. Most of my friends are meat-eaters
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@MsWitchHazel666 Highly recommend her channel. I think you'd find she isn't like that at all.
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I think the point then would have been that not everyone at shows are dealers.
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Why an I here? Because my parents had sex and birthed me. Who cares why we're alive. Enjoy the fact that you are. Something without evidence shouldn't be believed until evidence has been presented. If you must be a theist, at least be an honest theist.
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Thats because your monogamous and not attracted to those who would be poly. Nothing wrong with preferences.
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And taking responsibility includes having an abortion.
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@Dj.843 No, I completely agree. You just need to be careful on how you put things, because it makes us look weak when we spread misinformation.
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The dead can't comprehend nor understand "justice". Its not "justice" to put another family though the pain you went through. That's called revenge. Emotion should not be the sole basis for a law. Laws are ment to do something productive and beneficial to society. Capital punishment does neither.
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Some more extreme vegans maybe. The moral side of it comes from hypocrisy, and I as a vegan, don't like that. But thats just me. You get sent to prison for killing a dog. So why not a fish? Thats some reasoning
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@peytonblanchard4955 I am well aware of those laws, but I also know that state police have come out saying they will never enforce that law. Its unconstitutional
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Its not a lie. Its just a misunderstanding of the actual law.
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But that no longer applies here, so I don't get your point.
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@chuckmoore8668 Umm no? Because thats how evoultion works? If people needed to be that way, you would not be able to live healthy long lives without meat. And you can. Meat is a want. Not a need.
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@chuckmoore8668 Predators need meat from a nutritional standpoint. They need meat. You do not. You want it.
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@chuckmoore8668 B12 can be found in fortified milks. There is nothing that cannot be gotten by complimenting.
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@chuckmoore8668 You...do realize that almost every food you get in a store ia fortified, right? By using that language, you're implying that vegan milks are chemically based. And they're not any more than your meat is. You should find a diet thats right for you. Veganism is just for me. I've never been healthier.
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@chuckmoore8668 I have the teeth of a frugivore, because thats what humans technically are. Just because I have the teeth to eat meat doesn't mean I have to.
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@chuckmoore8668 Actually, yes we are scientifically. Frugivores are simply omnivores that prefer fruit. Yes, you do have canines. I am well aware that humand can eat meat. My point is meat is not a necessity. You can eat a balanced diet without meat if you choose. Meat is not essential. We are not obligate omnivores.
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And that means what exactly? Vegans, on the moral side, are against using animals becauae they are sentient beings, like humans.
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Good thing abortion isnt murder in the US then.
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IssyFishyy so show me a fetus that can exist without implantation into a mother's uterus and without using her nutrients to develop.
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Pro-life are people who are against abortion and euthanasia, typically advocating for them to be outlawed. Pro-choice are people who believe that the person dying or carrying the fetus should be allowed to have a choice of what is done.
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And I've never had a background check on any of the three guns I've purchased. Depends on where and who you are buying from.
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Because I'm in love with multiple people the same as you are with your one. Why does that make you feel so icky? Its really monogamous people that are narcissistic. Your partner has to give YOU all the attention and YOU all their love. Sounds selfish. Bottom line, let people live how they want. Me having multiple partners in no way affects you.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Vegetarians can eat eggs and dairy. They just don't eat flesh.
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"Let me be a bigoted intolerant asshole and hide behind my religion as a shield to protect my bigotry".
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Puppy Says HI And if another deity is right, then the atheist and Christian is fucked, so why does it matter?
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Because my mother is sentient and a fetus is not at the time of most abortions.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Well then what would your definition of "really loving someone be?" We love people because it makes us happy helping and bonding with people. Love is just a chemical in the brain. It has no meaning outside the brain. No, I don't think we're here just to reproduce and dominate. Our life is what we choose.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 I might be a bad example, but in general yes. Thats how love works.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 I agree with you. As far as worth, I think your worth is determined by you and the people who's lives you change. I don't think worth is something you're born with.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Yes...? I don't deny that. We are animals as well. We just lucked out on the fusion of chomosome 2. No, I don't think that's true. That maybe could be said on a species level, but not an individual.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 I wouldn't say love is a human construct. I do certainly think its a brain chemistry thing. As are all emotions.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Define real love. Worth does exist, but only as a prescriptive term. And as far as their views changing my worth, its because it changes how I view myself. I don't think people are JUST a clump of cells.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 I think you misunderstood. Reproducing is certainly a goal if we're speaking about species. But its not necessarily when talking about the individual.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Okay, but that real love is there because of the way brain chemistry works. And I fail to see how if it was just a human concept, it wouldn't exist.
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@asemttamwerdna1277 Okay. Something definitely got misunderstood here. Let me try to clearly state my position. Every organic organism is a clump of cells at its base components, so to say that isn't technically incorrect. However, I think its a bad argument to use because then it makes people think you only view it as a clump of cells. Yes, we are just a clump of sells at our base level, but I think its deeper than that. A fetus is a clump of cells, but it is human. When it comes to abortion though, I don't place the value on whether something is human or not, because I don't think being human makes you special. I don't really think "life" matters. I think sentience matters. The ability to think and feel subjectively. That is what seperates it. That's personally the line for me.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 Until someone you care about or yourself needs an abortion or they're in so much pain they can't function. Let's see how pro-life you are then.
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Because if we're going by what it refers to, which is private sales at gun shows not requiring a background check, then its not a myth. Its just terribly named fearmongering.
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@conradmerrywether9438 That may be true in your state, but is not the case for the majority. I live in a state that neither registers guns nor has mandatory background checks on private sales. As I said, most gun laws are delt with on a state level. Not a federal one.
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Only if you're buying from a dealer. Most states have no restrictions on private sales which frequently occur at shows.
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No it isnt. It does nothing beneficial
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I have. Just depends on who's selling you the gun.
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Love? Companionship? There are many reasons. In fact, I don't even have sex with my partner. Only with my husband. And we are extremely happy in that relationship. Are you attracted and in love with multiple people? If not, that your not poly.
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@maxandrelanthier4788 I am poly. I am in love with multiple people and am in a relationship with multiple people. I am only sexually intimate and married to one.
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@prosauce5073 Umm no. Polyamory: the practice of, or desire for, intimate relationships with more than one partner, with the consent of all partners involved. There is a huge difference between platonic love and intimate love.
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Louis Castillo You do realize there are people who can't take birth control or use condoms right? What about them? No one's first choice is abortion.
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It is life. And I have never understood why, as someone who is pro-choice, people say it isn't.
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@kitfisto6345 Yes, lets pretend abortion is easy. Oh wait. Its not. Also, please learn what murder actually means before using the term incorrectly.
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As a person who grew up in the system, I can absolutely guarantee you that if I could have made the choice, I would have absolutely chosen death. It isn't murder. Murder has an established definition. You don't get to change it because you don't like something.
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Because being pro-choice includes the option to adopt. That has nothing to do with abortion.
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@katherinekuefler-kappel2328 No, adoption is not a great option for women who feel this way. People seem to have this misconception that if you place your child up for adoption, the child will be taken care of. This is simply not true. Children in the care of the state are systematically abused and neglected. 80% of the prison population spent at least a year in foster care, and those who have been abused by the state or placed with a neglectful family because of incompetence make up nearly 10% of the suicides for children 18 years and younger. Placing your child up for adoption does not guarantee a happy, safe or productive life.
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@katherinekuefler-kappel2328 You may think that, but that is your opinion. Many others, myself included, disagree with you.
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@katherinekuefler-kappel2328 Perhaps their answer would be the latter. Mkne sure wouldn't.
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It's not naive to be against a useless system or understand that MOST murderers can be rehabilitated.
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The fact that you deny a woman the right to her body or the dying a right to die on their terms is horrible. The fact that you would rather see a child abused and neglected when it can feel and sense everything as opposed to being terminated when it is unable to feel or sense is horrible.
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@ynmzeke9124 They can't both be right. They're literally exact opposites
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@ynmzeke9124 No its not...Christians believe in the Christian God. Atheists don't believe in God at all
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You're pro life until someone you love is raped, has an unplanned pregnancy, or when their life is in danger. Then its magically okay.
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"Pro Choice is ultimately wrong..." Yeah no. Thats a subjective opinion. I don't think anyone will say it was barbaric to fight for a woman's rights or the rights of the dying.
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@ethanm.2411 I don't find it ironic at all. People should have the CHOICE to die when they see fit. Something pro-life also wants to destroy.
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Humans are not naturally monogamous actually. And bringing God into a conversation does nothing. And I'm sorry. Shall we really debate how many wives Abraham had?
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Because its healthier in general, its better for the environment, and it alligns with my morals? Why is that so hard?
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You a vegan? You know what else was a living being with moving limbs? You aren't murdering a baby. You are terminating (or killing) the development of a fetus. Killing does not always equate to murder. Words have established definitions, hypocrite. Please learn them.
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@liamturman Many animals are actually more intelligent than humans. We have a higher level of cognitive function.
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@liamturman That is just a lie.
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Condoms are not always available and fail. And having an abortion is taking responsibility. By the way, abortions do not harm the body. Even surgical abortions.
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I would argue that its more the pro-life people who don't know how abortions are performed, since they seem to think abortion consists of ripping a fetus apart.
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That is not how death row works at all.
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Nope. You strawmanned the argument. Humans are animals. Thats just a fact. But its also a fact that humans, in general do not need meat. They have no nutritional requirement like predatory animals.
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People in comas and those with mental disabilities are still sentient. While they may not express the way a healthy person does, they can still feel and think. Fetuses are not sentient when most abortions occur. They are unable to think or feel. I personally have no issue pulling plugs on people in comas, especially if the likelihood of them recovering is low. How about trying to care about the quality of life?
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@HelloHello-js6dm A fetus is any unborn mammal. Medically, its a fetus from implantation until birth. While the nervous system begins to develop the sheaths of what will be the spine and neurons between 6 and 7 weeks, the brainstem needed to stimulate these neurons does not develop until the end of the first trimester, between 10 to 12 weeks. Also, only later term abortions are performed surgically, when the fetus has sentience. Most abortions are performed through medication that forces the body to essentially miscarry, similar to the morning after pill. Abortions are not performed surgically in most pregnancies as its too much risk to the mother. You can disagree with me if you wish. I'm more than happy to keep providing discussion.
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@msharp6887 No, because the fetus doesn't have bodily autonomy because it has no rights as it is not a person. Smart Pro-choicers do not deny science. Being "human" and "alive" is irrelevant.
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@msharp6887 Any argument pertaining to morality can never be objective, because morality is not objective. I argue from personhood because I remain morally consistent. I have no problem with euthanasia, DNR's and slow codes. I don't take issue with unplugging life support. Science is neutral on the subject of abortion. You just use it to argue a point. A fetus can be alive and abortion can still be moral, so I fail to see a point. Then we fundamentally disagree, as I do not think human life is inherently valuable, nor do I think we're special because we are human. We're apes that got lucky. I'm just against the death penalty for practical reasons as opposed to moral ones.
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Would you like someone else to try and change it? Can you give one non-emotional argument for being pro capital punishment?
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Anarchyon You realize adoption agencies turn children away and some may never be adopted right?
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Anarchyon They do every day because they lack the room for them. So being terminated when you aren't sentient and can't feel anything is worse than being neglected/abused/potentially killed when you are? That makes sense
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Anarchyon At the time of most abortions, the fetus is between 6 and 8 weeks old. The nervous system has not developed, and only the beginning of the brainstem. No nerves or brain? No pain. You can't force an unfit mother to give birth. She will inevitably come to resent and abuse that child.
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Anarchyon That's called child trafficking. You still have to go through a legal process to give your child over to a 3rd party and someone who is considering abortion is not going to be able to afford that. I don't think it's okay to kill it. But I think that is a better alternative to birthing it into a situation where it will be neglected and abused.
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Anarchyon Child trafficking is not legal. Do you honestly believe a child born to an unfit mother or father will grow up normal? If so, you're living in a fantasy world. It's not murder, as murder is by definition unlawful. Killing and murder are not the same thing.
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Anarchyon A D O P T I O N is not always an option. As I have said, facilities who do not have the room or funds to take in your child will simply turn you away, just like an animal shelter who has run put of room. Even in adoption centers, that child may not be okay. It may not ever be adopted. Guess what happens then? It's kicked out at 18 with no job, no work experience, and only a basic education. Why do you suppose foster kids and adoption kids have high suicide rates? Because the system is fundamentally broken.
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Anarchyon I fucking worked through it. If you want to reach out to actual families to adopt a child out, you'd have to hire a lawyer. Anyone who's even considering abortion would not be able to afford one. No, I don't think abortion is the only way out, and I think it should be the last way out. You seem to want to take away that freedom completely.
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Anarchyon Again, murder is unlawful, which abortion is not. You'd ban abortion, and then be dealing with women abandoning children they can't care for or simply neglecting them. You'd skyrocket the rate of child abuse, and completely destroy what is left of the foster care system. They can't afford a lawyer, therefore they can't legally give their child away. I know several women who have had abortions. There's not a day that goes by that they don't wonder what could have been, but in the end, they felt they made a responsible decision, because they did not have the means necessary to care for the child at the time.
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Anarchyon But not all family members will help. And yes it will. Because mother's will be forced to have children they are not capable of handling and will inevitably abuse them. I never said abortion is the only way. I even stated abortion should be the last possible option. But it should, for the time being, remain a possibility.
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Anarchyon I didn't say all. I said some. Some family's just literally don't help. I'm sorry if it comes across that way. No, I don't think abortion is the only way, and I hope to one day see a world where abortion is not needed.
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That's a bad argument. Meat can be healthy for you, when eaten in moderation. But the reason heart disease is the number one killer is, frankly, because of the amount of meat consumed. You can also be perfectly healthy without meat.
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@onion boi Oh, I'm well aware of that. But we also eat way to much meat. And the meat we eat more often tends to be processed to hell and back.
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That is simply not true. Farmland and deforestation mainly occurs to make room for livestock.
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Probably because you can. They just aren't well educated on what a gun show is and the difference between a dealer sale and a private sale.
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And that body does not get to use mine to live anymore than I get access to your kidney because I'm dying of renal failure. So what if its human life? You're not special for being human.
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@Humanity Galatica Gonna have to be more specific.
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@Humanity Galatica Correct.
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@nicolechavez6981 More than 50% of pregnancy will end in miscarriage. How do you call that unnatural? Its not unnatural to miscarry any more than it is to carry to term. I don't consider abortions natural. They aren't. This topic isn't triggering. Its the woman's right to decide whether to continue a pregnancy. Thats it.
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@nicolechavez6981 Just by definition.
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I respectfully disagree.
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I have a job and voted for Trump...
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Uhh no. Actually some abortions are medically necessary. Abnormal process of pregnancy, fetal defects, and maternal medical conditions are all reasons why a doctor might say an abortion is necessary. You clearly don't know how most abortions are performed. You actually think most fetuses are ripped and and disposed up. I know women who have their aborted fetuses remains still.
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@hettinga359 If mercy killings aren't allowed, why are more and more states legalizing assisted suicide?
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You do not need a background check at a show unless the firearm is from an FFL dealer. Private sellers at shows are under no obligation to provide a background check.
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Most vegans are not extremists. I am a level headed vegan. We exist.
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Cheating: violation of a couple's assumed or stated contract regarding emotional and/or sexual exclusivity. If there's consent and permission, it literally can't be cheating. I respect myself and my two partners more than most monogamous people. And since I'm married with 2 children, I'd say the relationship is serious. Maybe don't speak about something you know nothing about.
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Tim Account That is not a fact. You wouldn't save infants by outlawing abortion. A woman would have it done illegally or would neglect or abuse the child to death. Being pro-choice doesn't stand against humanity.
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Tim Account I never said "back alley abortions". You inferred that. More woman would just self abort, force themselves into having a miscarriage. But thats exactly what your doing. You are punishing the sentient child. The fact remains that you cannot miss something you never had
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Tim Account It was a rare reported event. Crimes go unreported all the time. In fact, more than 50% of crimes go unreported. Your data, which isn't as low as you think, are only those people know about. Times change. Humans do not stay stagnant. You would provide no benefit by outlawing abortion until you treat the root causes of why a woman seeks an abortion.
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Tim Account Are you actually a person who believes that every single crime is reported?
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Tim Account Except the data doesn't account for those unreported crimes.
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Tim Account And once again, those numbers only apply to confirmed, reported abortions. I don't think you understand how legal data collection works. Of course the numbers would fall. That wasn't my point. You know what fell when abortion was made legal? Child abuse cases, infancy death, and neglect cases. Look, I'm 100% on board with an abortion beling a last resort. But if you honestly think that outlawing abortion nationwide would HELP anyone, you're just ignorant.
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Acupuncture does nothing except relax and relieve pain. It will not prevent you from getting a virus.
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@8ing8ong78 Not true, but whatever. Obviously yes, with more people the murder rate will be higher.
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@oldsoul695 Because the culture and demographics are different.
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Humans aren't on top though. That isn't how food chains work scientifically.
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The banning of a firearm is not going to stop a criminal from using a firearm. That's not a strawman. That's a fact. A robber is a lot less likely to rob a house with an armed occupant than an occupant that has no firearm. Will a gun kill more people? Yeah probably. But what the hell is a firearm ban going to do? Look at Europe. Criminals still have guns, and those that dont use knives, fire and acid.
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No its not. You literally just look for vegan alternatives. They are literally everywhere.
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An atheist is anyone who doesn't believe in God. You can be spiritual, or follow a left hand path, and still be an atheist.
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If we stopped domesticating them, they would die out naturally or be killed by natural predators. They were around before us.
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It's so IGNORANT to believe in something with 0 evidence. Stay in school.
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Unintelligent Individual The adoption system is far worse and far more broken.
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And facts don't really care about your opinions. Saying it isn't for you isn't an excuse to generalize and be ignorant. Sure, some poly people care about themselves. So do monogamous people. And there's nothing wrong with dating multiple people, if everyone is happy and consents.
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Çerastes Probably at least 1, since Catholicism is the largest sect of Christanity.
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The problem with this statement is it only applies, in most states, to dealers. Those that hold an FFL. Private sellers aren't bound to this, and are under no federal obligation to provide a background check.
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No such thing as "absolutely no question". One of the first things they teach you in any criminology class and in law school.
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@rob101ization And yet, their homicide rates are higher than some of the most lax gun areas. Maybe because people won't stop being violent just because you disarm them of guns.
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"Mass shootings don't get prevented by other guns" That's because a majority of gun related homicides and mass shootings occur in states with the strictest gun laws on law abiding citizens.
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You can make a meal out of lentils should you choose.
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@jkim1241 Gun shows do not require background checks in 75% of the country, unless you are buying from a dealer (i.e. someone who holds an FFL). Also, it is not a crime to sell to a known mentally ill person. No law prevents a mentally ill person without any criminal background from purchasing a firearm. Not only would that be unconstitutional, most of the population could not then be sold to. You do not have to be a dealer to sell at a show. You must be a dealer to operate a store as your primary income, and must hold an FFL.
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@WomenofHighValue That may be true of some. But not all.
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@WomenofHighValue Not necessarily. Some of them grewup with fine parents, but had troubles in their early adult life. Absoultely not true. Ted Bundy had a normal childhood. Paul Bernado had a normal childhood. And apart from his parents divorcing, so did Jeffery Dahmer. Mental instability can come from a host of problems. Drugs, identity, bullying, loss, or mistreatment by loved ones.
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I'm a long term vegan with no health problems. Sorry you experienced that, but you shouldn't solely put that on the diet.
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So, I won't touch the religious aspect because thats your belief. But human teeth are actually mostly flat, not meant for chewing meat. We only have two canines.
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I mean...in general, it is healthier. But that's just a generalization.
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@janieswanson2549 I wish I could go back to being vegan, but I'm still healthy not being vegan. You can be unhealthy as a vegan. Its just a generalization we typically see.
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@janieswanson2549 Yes, you can be healthy on a vegan diet, and typically, people tend to be healthier on vegan/vegetarian diets. But, that's certainly not always the case, and you can certainly be an unhealthy vegan. I don't personally push veganism on anyone. I never have and never will. What I will do is correct misinformation, and that includes misinformation from vegans. I don't use animal products needlessly. I use them for necessity and now eat meat because of health problems. However, I also think anyone should be able to eat whatever they want, meat or not. I never was an ethical vegan. I never was vegan for animal rights.
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I don't know any show that limits the number of firearms you can purchase. That may be a state thing, but its certainly not a federal law. Also, no you don't need a background check in a majority of states unless you are purchasing from a dealer. This is also a state by state thing. Also incorrect, on a federal level. Its 18 across the board for all guns (some even 16) except for handguns, which is 21.
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@mrc8915 Your state may place restrictions then. Indiana only requires a state ID if you're buying privately.
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I mean...you can though. Its called a private sale. I just think anti-gunners think that all shows are like that.
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I have yet to buy a firearm at a gunshow where I needed a background check. You either live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales, or you bought your guns from a dealer.
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@guardmanonduty5139 That's cool. I live in Indiana, which is probably the most liberal state on guns.
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Agnosticism has no meaning outside of a philosophical debate. It means you don't know. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@andg_rodg_4_real710 Everyone here, with the exception of the old man, was agnostic. So how would you set up a debate with "agnostics" when everyone is agnostic? Unless you're referring to a debate between gnostics and agnostics.
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@andg_rodg_4_real710 Thats actually not true. You can be an agnostic theist. Christianity, at least to most is about faith and belief. That would make them agnostics as well. Agnosticismonly refers to the knowledge of the existence of a God.
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"You have to have a background check for every legal purchase of a firearm" No. You don't. Not everyone who sells at shows are dealers. That depends on where you live. Where I'm from, shows are nearly made up entirely of third party sellers, as they sell cheaper than a store. And in a vast majority of the country, you need only valid ID that proves you are a resident of the state you are residing in to legally purchase a firearm. Background checks are not required.
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You don't seem to know either. There is no such thing as just an agnostic. Its an empty word that means "I don't know". Everyone should be agnostic. She was absolutely right. An atheist does not believe in God. A gnostic atheist (also known better as an anti-theist) is someone who asserts there is no God. She said she didn't believe in God and then was told she wasn't an atheist and that she was agnostic. That is false.
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@piercinginquiry154 I love how you assumed I was a Christian when I am in fact also an agnostic atheist. The term agnostic is redundant.
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Neither does putting them to death.
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Not in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from.
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@The 40 Year Old Nerdgin You do not have to run a check if you rent a table. You only have to run a check if you are an FFL licensed dealer. Private parties often sell and trade at shows as well.
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@o.p.5067 An atheist doesn't say that there is no God. That's an anti-theist. You can believe in the supernatural and still be an atheist. Atheism has only to do with the belief in a God. If you don't believe in a God, you are an atheist.
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No you don't. Not in all cases.
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@zachfuller6593 Look up the difference between federal and state laws. Gun shows do not require you to hold an FFL to sell, and most states but no restrictions on private sellers.
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@zachfuller6593 You should just look at the law difference between private and FFL sales. I've personally never had a background check on any gun show sales, but all my sales were private. Look up private seller laws.
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Actually, humans are not the top of the food chain. Thats just science. Food chains are based on trophic levels.
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@snuffeldjuret We actually are in the middle. Around where pigs are. For one thing, even though we do not encounter them often, humans have natural predators. Secondly to be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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@snuffeldjuret A human could not survive on a meat based diet alone. Especially that of strictly predatory animals. You would absolutely destroy the digestive system. Again, sorry. But your not at the top of the food chain. Bears, Komodo Dragons, Hyenas, Crocodiles and Tigers all outrank you.
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The death penalty is never justice. Justice is not revenge.
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@huh6561 You could say that, but you would be incorrect. What they deserve? Who decides that? I don't think they deserve death, so why does your opinion trump mine? Its always revenge. You are killing them because they took something from you. That doesn't benefit society. The death penalty should be abolished.
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@huh6561 No, I don't think my opinion is better then mine. Whether or not you think someone deserves something should not dictate the law. I define revenge as its definition, because thats what it is. That is the only reason we have capital punishment, because there is no logical reason to have it.
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They are, in general.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s You clearly don't know the difference between biology and psychology. Sex deals with biology. Gender deals with psychology and sociology. "Slapping a dick on yourself" doesn't make your sex a boy. However, it does make your gender male if that is how you identify. Race is biological. Gender is not.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s No, actually. Gender is not binary. You can claim that denying that is the truth, but science doesn't support you on that. I don't think people who believe in God are crazy. I admit, as an atheist, they could very well be right. I just think they currently have no justification to believe in a God. Chromosomes are not the only determinants in sex. Chromosomes also aren't binary. Gametes are binary and are one characteristic used to determine sex.
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@Sleepy Hollow Your sex is determined before birth. Your gender is based on sociological concepts. Take a biology class.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s Saying your gender is biological is just scientifically wrong. Its not. Your gender isn't determined in the womb. Your sex is. You could have male genatalia, but have feminine features phenotypically. If you're put in dresses all your life, refered to as "she" and look female, your gender would be female, even if your sex was male. Get it? Gender dysphoria is a thing. Look into it. Also, what happens when the child has any other chromosomal disorder? What about people born XXX, XXY or XXYY? Quit making genetics that easy. Its not.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s No, it isn't false because there is a difference between sex and gender.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s No, gender isn't sex. If you were born male, but live life as a woman, and you married a male, that would not be legally classified as "same sex marriage". Gender is never determined before birth. Sex is.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s And here's the definition of gender. either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female. See where it says SOCIAL AND CULTURAL?
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s Mmm nope. I'd say it is.
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Ima play devil's advocate. 2 reasons. 1. You have a large frontal cortex. You should have a moral understanding that its wrong to harm other sentient life unnecessarily. 2. Other animals, such as lions, have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not.
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Depends on the type of milk. Almond, soy and rice milks are vegan.
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In general, veganism is healthier. But thats not always the case.
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Sucks that not only isn't it readily available in a lot of places, many women can't use it.
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Actually, no its not a fact. Humans are not the top of the food chain. Otherwise, there'd be no such thing as "man-eaters". Why don't you try researching what a food chain is and where we are based on our trophic levels?
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@thenerdmaster9381 Being superior in terms of technology is not what defines a food chain. Where a species falls on a trophic leve does. We are not at the top of the food chain. We're in the middle.
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That also doesn't change the fact that NOTHING he said was factual. He spouted his beliefs and then got pissy when people challenged them.
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@palerity6320 No, I think statistically he probably did exist, though there is no evidence for his existence. Nothing he said was factual, because he didn't argue Jesus. He argued God, a being that has yet to be proven to exist. I would advise you research as well.
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@palerity6320 I'm well aware of what they stand for. I'm also well aware of the facts that those times were first stated in the Bible, whose earliest books were written nearly 40 years after Jesus's supposed death. I'm sure there probably was a man names Jesus who roamed the Earth at one point. There's just, as of yet, been no archaeological evidence for his existence. Ummm no. There were no eyewitnesses to Jesus. Again. The Bible was written 30+ years after his death. If there were people who truly saw this, it strikes me as strange that NO ONE wrote it down. The EARLIEST person mentioned in the Bible that we can PROVE was King David. I don't reject Jesus existed. That was LITERALLY my first sentence. What I REJECT is the miracle and divinity of Jesus.
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@palerity6320 Yeah no. There really isn't. I also mean this respectfully, but you are so deep in confirmation bias. Regardless, I believe Jesus was a real person. I do not believe he was a son of God nor a miracle worker, nor do I believe a God exists.
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@palerity6320 I was a Christian for over 20 years. Jesus didn't die for me. What kind of sacrifice is it to die for yourself? What kind of God would need an atonement anyways? I don't need God to be happy, and I can't lose being an atheist.
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@palerity6320 No I didn't. I literally said in my comment prior that you can show me whatever you have. I don't believe in sin, so I can't really love it. You'd have to prove to me Jesus died for me first, something that has yet to be proven. Also, don't quote Bible verses at me. If you can't debate without your holy book, then you have no leg to stand on.
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@palerity6320 Your entire post could literally be said about any other religion in mankind history. Muslims die for their belief in Allah. They truly believe in him, just as you believe in Jesus. And I'm sorry. You're not persecuted in the West. You're literally the majority. There is no difference between you and me, except I believe in one less God than you.
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@palerity6320 The Bible is rooted in no more evidence than the Talmuid, Tora or Qur'an. You also don't have an objective basis for morals. If your morality comes from God, which is frankly sad considering he's a monster in the new testament, its still his subjective opinion. You can argue its the HIGEST subjective opinion, but its still subjective. Atheism doesn't need God. You don't need a God to be a good, miral, logical person.
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Most states don't have a conceal carry license actually. You can usually find private sellers at shows.
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@puffpuffpoppy 38 out of 50 put no restrictions on private sales. So they absolutely sell privately at most shows. Whil this is anecdotal, I have never been to a show that didn't have both private sellers and dealers. I understand that you cannot sell a firearm over state lines. I work for the police department. I also know these laws well.
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@puffpuffpoppy A background check for a private sale never needs a background check legally, unless the state puts restrictions on private sales. If the person unknowningly sells a firearm to a felon, they are in no trouble. The trouble comes from when you sell a firearm to a known felon. All gun sales require you to show a valid state ID, private or dealer. What she said is a person could walk into a gun show, slap down a large sum of money, and purchase firearms. No, that probably wouldn't happen. People would find that suspicious. But could you legally do that? Yes. My argument is that while poorly named, its quite easy and frequent to purchase a gun without a background check.
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@puffpuffpoppy And my point to that was that some states do not have CCW. You can't get a conceal carry license in a state that doesn't have one. For example, Indiana has no conceal carry license. We are an open carry state.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Doctors delivering early do not prevent complications. Thats even more risky, not just to the mother, but the fetus as well. Except shooting random people violates their right to life, something (legally) a fetus doesn't have.
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Logic should take precedent over emotion. The bottom line is there is no reason for the death penalty. 1. More expensive than keeping someone in prisoner for life (in the are of between $700k to $3m depending on state) 2. Is not a deterrent. This has been consistently proven. (It only deters those that would have never considered it in the first place) 3. Does not lower violent crime rate. (Violent crimes, especially homicides, have been consistently lower in non death penalty states since the early 90's) 4. Risk of executing the innocent. (1 in 25 people who currently are on death row are innocent of the crimes in which they were sentenced)
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And most poly relationships don't have "primary partners".
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So what about the pregnancies that occurred from failed protection?
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You missed the entire point. The point that was being made was just as you can love two friends on the same level, it works the same for a relationship. You can love multiple partners to the same degree, just as you can love multiple friends.
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@loladexploradora5567 You very much can love them equally. As you can be in love with people equally. Of course I wouldn't love an ex the way I love a current partner, because I am no longer in love with my ex. I do, however, love both of my current partners equally. I am in a poly relationship and all 3 of us live together. We do everything as if I was married to both of them. Equal love does exist. If you have a "favorite" then you clearly don't love them equally and you probably aren't poly.
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Because biologically and medically it isnt a child. That's just a scientific fact. That is not to say that it isnt human. Indeed they begin listening in the womb. When they are sentient. And that is when abortion should no longer be a viable option. You aren't born valuable. Your value comes from what you offer to the world, no matter how short it is.
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And 95% of those vegetables went to livestock.
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Influenza is the 7th leading cause of death in people under the age of 50 in the US. Consider this when deciding whether or not to get the flu shot.
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@jgran1244 I'm only giving you a statistic so you consider it in the future. Thats all.
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@Humanity Galatica If that's your opinion.
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You are aware contraception fails right? Having protected sex doesn't guarantee you won't get pregnant. Deal with it? They are. They are choosing the best path for them.
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Perhaps she's bitter because the old man was a total ass to her.
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If you cannot bring yourself to empathize with both sides, you are mentally ill as well. And the first rule that any criminal justice course and ESPECIALLY a law school course will teach you is there IS NO METHOD to prove guilt without a doubt. That simply doesn't exist. Stop paying MORE tax money on a useless system that provides no benefit.
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@RealTalkChristina Oh yes. Everyone has an immune system. Because immunocompromised people just don't exist. A vaccine is a dead virus. It can't make you sick. You can have reactions to other ingredients. And vaccines are not meant to make you "immune". They're designed to prevent you from getting complications associated with the disease. Are you actually the moron who believes you get mental health issues from a dead virus? You don't. Mental health is almost entirely genetic. Your doing fine because everyone else is vaccinated, and these diseases have been eradicated.
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@RealTalkChristina Both the MMR and chickenpox vaccines have inactive and live versions, just like the flu shot does. Vaccine manufacturers are liable. That's why vaccine court exists. Do you? Would you like me to list them, what they do, and show how most of them are things you are naturally exposed to, or your body makes yourself? Here's a better question. What's in vaccines that makes you so afraid?
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@RealTalkChristina I never said that. I just said most vaccines that are used are inactive. They are sued. That's what vaccine court is. You just can't sue them directly. That's what vaccine court is for. It takes years to get a hearing because too many people excuse corralation with casuauation. Just because you get sick after a vaccine or have reactions does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused it. No, it doesn't alarm me that vaccine court has cases. Regular medication can cause these same issues. They need to be addressed and looked into. Yes, I know people are injured by vaccines. I know people die from vaccines. That should be looked into. I would like to know which vaccine you want me to list. Is there a specific one? And yes, they are awesome. Because of how many lives they have saved and improved. But of course, they aren't perfect.
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@RealTalkChristina Yet you won't tell me what "toxic ingredients" you're talking about. Because you know its false information. Your children should be vaccinated because these viruses cause lasting damage. If you can't trust your physician (who makes 0 money on vaccines in most cases) who can you trust? Too many people like you spread lies and false information out of fear. No, not many people are dying and being injured. Correlation does not equal casuation, and too many people don't understand that. I want you to research actual medical studies, not quacks who no longer have a license to practice. If you don't want vaccines fine. But you should lose some privilage and hold accountability, because you are a potential health risk.
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@RealTalkChristina If someone has a reaction to ANYTHING it should be looked into. Conclusions just shouldn't be jumped to. They do save lives. That's not a contradiction.
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@RealTalkChristina No, I said the only live version that is usually used is the flu vaccine. If that wasn't clear, I apologize. Are you referring to the COVID vaccine? Because that's not what we're discussing. I agree in waiting on that one. I thought you meant things like the MMR vaccine causing things like autism. That kind of person.
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@herbbowler2461 You're going to have to be specific on what you're claiming I'm lying about.
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@herbbowler2461 Then don't take medicine and go off and die in a hovel somewhere. I rely on medicine for survival, and appreciate the effort western medicine puts into making my life better.
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@herbbowler2461 I don't believe you, but even if you are telling the truth, I don't care. I depend on healthcare to survive, and you will be the first to call the doctor when something goes wrong.
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@futuregmchess1561 You get sick because pathogens enter your body and cause your immune system to inact an inflammatory response as a way to prevent the pathogen from mutating. What does that question have to do with vaccines?
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@futuregmchess1561 Yes. Vaccines help defend you from the complications that arise from the virus. They do not protect you from getting the virus. They just help equip your immune system to be better prepared.
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Matt Jones What the hell are you talking about? What isn't true?
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We do. Its just life is not the issue. Sentience is.
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I don't feel, as a vegan, that that statement is true.
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No. We are called atheists because of what those roots mean "a" without and "theist" God. Atheist literally means "without God".
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@0canadiens81 You don't have a label for not believing in the tooth fairy because the tooth fairy doesn't have any etymological roots. If you don't believe in God, you are an atheist.
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Atheism only applies SPECIFICALLY to God. Plenty of atheists have spiritualistic leanings. Buddhism is an atheistic spiritually.
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@hannamsp7518 Because not all spiritual beliefs hinge on the existence of a God. I'm not spiritual so I can't really answer that.
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@Megatronix No, we just don't see existence as evidence of creation, because there are other explanations other than God. And if you want to claim that existence nesscitates a creator, then for God to exist, he had to be created as well. By the way, using the creation argument would at the VERY MOST get you to deism. It would not prove Christianity.
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@Megatronix Evidence doesn't have to be seen. Sure, that would be the easiest evidence, but its not the only way. I'm not refusing to see evidence. I don't believe existence necessitates creation. There are other potential explanations. There are plenty of things the Bible gets entirely wrong. Its not a history book. It doesn't have to be. If existence equates creation, then God must have been created to exist. Extensubly, I could simply say the world created itself or its always existed, something you cannot disprove, just as I cannot disprove God.
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@Megatronix I never did either. You simply implied that I must think the only evidence would be God coming down and physically showing himself, and I don't. I was born because my parents had sex and did not abort me. My issue stems from you saying "if it exists, it must have been created." In the natural world, we have evidence for that. That does not apply to the supernatural. We call that the "God of the Gaps" fallacy, where you take something you can't explain and since you can't explain it, it must be God. Creation necessitates a creator. Existence does not necessarily necessitate a creator. In society, sure. That's true. That is not true of nature.
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@Megatronix No, it doesn't. There are perfectly natural explanations for why we are how we are. Evolution already shows how we diversified, and abiogenesis is one hypothesis about how we can get life from non life. And even IF "look at the trees" fallacy was evidence of a God, that would only get you to deism. It would not get you to Christianity. That's an unsubstantiated claim that cannot be proven. You can't say God isn't a creature. You don't know what God is. You only know what you believe to be true. Again, you're comparing the natural world to the man-made world. We have evidence of man creating technology. We do not have evidence of God creating nature. You just don't seem to believe there could be any other explanation OTHER than God. That's a flaw on your part. Not mine.
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@Megatronix There is no evidence for God, and that is why I'm an atheist. I will not follow fallcious reasoning to try and get to truth. The Bible is not truth. It never has been
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@Megatronix I'm not going to argue circular reasoning with a person who is clearly showing they have cognitive dissonance. The Bible has already been proven wrong on multiple accounts.
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@Megatronix 1. That isn't a fact. It's a belief you hold. You have no idea what characteristics God has, because you can't ascribe characteristics to a being who has never been proven to exist. 2. Fallacies are not evidence. You suffer horribly from confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance. I have stated multiple times I do not care if there is a God. If God was substainated tomorrow, my life wouldn't change. 3. Our existence is not evidence of a creator. Our existence is explained entirely by evoultion. Your 7.5 billion pieces of evidence? Yeah, thats evoultion. Not God. Funny how both the Talmuid, Torah and Quran say the same thing...yet you remain a Christian and ignore the LARGE pieces of the Bible that are wrong.
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@Megatronix I don't think I'm a fool for not believing in a God, no. Nor am I lying. You're just attached to your God of the Gaps fallacy. The one with bias is you, not me. If evidence could have be presented that negated all other possibilities except God, I would believe in one. But currently, that doesn't exist. Maybe one day, it will. It isn't a FACT. It's a BELIEF. There is NO EVIDENCE that nature around us is CREATED. I'm not going to keep doing this circular reasoning with you. Just because things are called "creatures" because the people who named it believed in a God doesn't make them correct. The Bible is straight up full of crap. Adam and Eve never existed. The Flood never happened. The Exodus didn't happen. Moses never existed. The Bible is full of contradictions. I don't deny a God. I lack a belief in one. Nothing more. I never said there was no God. You're just a liar
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@Megatronix I'm not going to continue to argue with someone who can't be reasoned with. If you do not know the difference between fact and belief, there is nothing more to say. You're a person stuck in your own belief system, and you are entitled to it. Reality doesn't point to only God. There are other explanations. Maybe God is real, maybe one isn't. I'd like all other explanations to be invalidated before I jump to the supernatural.
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@Megatronix You wouldn't know an ad hominem if it bit you in the ass. An ad hominem is a personal attack on someone. Saying you appear to have cognitive dissonance (which in my opinion, you do) is not an attack. It's an opinion formed based on the way we've communicated. Faith is never a vaild way to get to truth. And if there were indeed evidence for God, you wouldn't need faith.
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Argument from emotion fallacy should not dictate the law.
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Mmm...yep. absolutely. If thats what you want to do with your body, you have that right.
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Thats very narrow minded.
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Vegetarians only abstain from eating meat. Vegans abstain from all animal products such as meat, dairy and eggs. They also do not wear or use things made from animal products, such as fur, leather, wool and silk.
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Why should I have to spemd 10x the money to put a person to death?
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@ProjectBlackoutPro1 No its not. And then has been continuously disproven. A death penalty conviction ranges between 700,000 and 3 millon dollars more than a life inmate, mainly because of the appeals process.
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@justinfilipovic8939 Because when they inevitably suffered a terrible complication from a disease that could have been prevented, the side effects that have actually been provably linked to vaccines would be so minor they wouldn't matter.
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@IssyFishyy Nope, no grudge. I just enjoy education and I find it helpful to clear up misinformation so that people can have a clearer understanding, whether that be towards a faith or towards atheism. Its just something I enjoy doing. So no, I don't find it repetitive any more than you do.
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@IssyFishyy That's quite alright. Everyone changes. I enjoy little time wasters, since I don't have a lot of free time anymore. Just breaks up the day.
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Psychological tests would be unconstitutional. What do you qualify as unstable? Thats a slippery slope that could deny mentally ill, but stable, people from their constitutional rights on the belief they MIGHT turn violent.
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random guy Because you cannot ban people from their constitutional right on the ground that they do not want to share personal information
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@Hris1234 I don't have to prove God is a lie, as I make no claim he is. For all I know, there is a God. But because there is no evidence for one, I choose not to believe
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Most people do not need any type of meat to be healthy.
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Because everyone already knows its an option and then there would have been a debate about how poor and broken the system is.
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@samir1281 Comgrats. I'm glad you made it. You, however, do not speak for everyone. I had damage done to me personally that can never be repaired, and I would much rather have been aborted. Everyone has different trauma and reacts to it differently.
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And those children would have developed autism without vaccines as well, since it is a genetic disorder. What do you people think are in vaccines that cause autism?
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...Yes it is. America is just the shortened form. If you live in the United States, you live in America.
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Yes...but he did it with the knowledge knowing he wasn't purchasing privately. He was purchasing from those who hold an FFL. So...really kinda biased. Gun show loophole still doesn't exist.
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No it isn't. That's not an opinion. Learn what the definition of murder is.
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Vaccines do not prevent you from getting the disease. They allow your body a jumpstart to fight off the condition before it spreads and develops into other problems. Not being vaccinated is a problem for 2 reasons. First off, it affects the people around you who can't be vaccinated. Most importantly, you are then a host of mutations. If a virus mutates in your body, now no one has an immunity to that strain. Mutations are why almost 40,000 die of the flu every year.
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@paytonaxtell No. Because vaccines are designed to work with your natural immune system to eliminate the virus before it can become communicable.
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@criticclips1560 So in other words, fuck the Constitution? How would you like being arrested and charged with something and having YOUR due process taken away?
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@criticclips1560 Because everyone who has been found guilty and sentenced WAS guilty right? 1/4 of the people who sit on our death row are innocent of the crime that landed them there, and you would have them put to death?
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@criticclips1560 It already does, and yet people still slip through.
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Considering all of these books justify murder, that statement is quite ironic.
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No, its you. Its about sentience, not life.
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@hontonitai7838 Some insects don't feel pain, but not all. Many insects have pain receptors as well.
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No. People debating about the difference between sentience and life, what a fetus is, and rights.
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Lizzie Allen Not necessarily.
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Kavita M Not in the traditional sense.
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Actually your not. The human digestive system is not meant to consume meat. It just won't harm you if eaten in moderation. Not saying eating meat is bad!
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No, but its also not vegan.
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Emiliano No. Agnostic has nothing to do with a belief in a God. Agnosticism has to do with knowledge of a God's existence or a belief in whether the knowledge of God's existence can be known.
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Emiliano Agnostic is not a term of belief. If you do not know whether or not a God exists, you are an agnostic.
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Emiliano If you don't know whether or not a God exists, but believe in one, you are an agnostic theist, usually belonging to a specific denomination of a religion. Agnostic is such a redundant term because anyone who is honest is agnostic.
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@micheltellez9871 That's fine. You can believe what you want.
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@micheltellez9871 She literally said she did not believe in God, but that she couldn't prove a God did not exist. That makes her an agnostic atheist.
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Emiliano Do you claim knowledge that a God does or does not exist?
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@micheltellez9871 She denied being not being an atheist, because he said she was not an atheist and that she was agnostic. That is not correct.
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Emiliano Then you are an agnostic theist.
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Emiliano Coloquially, you would just be a theist. Thiesm refers to belief. Gnosticism refers to knowledge.
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No, he did. And he is currently on probation for claiming medical exemptions against vaccines that children did not have. He's on the brink of losing his license.
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Yeah no. That tends to not be true, and is clearly just projection by someone who doesn't agree with abortion.
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@ricebubble7805 No, an agnostic is a useless word that means the existence of God cannot be known. Everyone who is being honest is agnostic. It wasn't calling her agnostic that was wrong. It was him replacing atheist with agnostic that was wrong.
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@ricebubble7805 An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. An agnostic is someone who understands the existence of God is unknown. Agnostics can be theists or atheists. Its an adjective in its original context. Let me give you examples. "I don't know if a God exists but I believe in one"- Agnostic Theist "I don't know if a God exists but I don't believe in one"- Agnostic Atheist "There is a God"- Gnostic Theist "There is no God"- Gnostic Atheist/Anti-Theist
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If the vegans you are around don't get enough of those nutrients, they suck at planning and shouldn't be vegan. Done right, a vegan diet has been an incredible diet for me. No supplements needed.
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@karissacochet Which is my whole point. Diets are entirely anecdotal. There are some people who do great on a vegan diet, and some people who do poorly. What you're trying to do is make a claim that ALL vegans are malnourished or need supplements, and that simply isn't true.
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@karissacochet Fortified soy and almond milk. No, I'm not malnourished nor am I taking supplements.
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@FateSoulzZ Number one issue though is carbs. Not sugar. You can be healthy on most diets. Just gotta find what works for you.
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@FateSoulzZ I know. But you have problems with meat as well. Heart disease is the number one killer, and its usually because people overindulge. Not saying meat is inherently bad. I'm personally healthier as a vegan, but my husband is a perfectly healthy meat lover.
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Agnostic is an adjective, not a noun. Most atheists are agnostics. And no. I know many atheists that believe in the supernatural. Atheists simply don't believe in God. Thats it.
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Why? Because he understands that capital punishment is impractical?
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bochap21 I'll debate with you. Pro-choice means having the right to choose what you want done with your body. That includes adoption, abstinence, contraception, motherhood and abortion. As far as a right to abort at birth, I consider that immoral, but still a right. I believe abortion should be off the table at sentience, which is between 12 and 15 weeks.
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You don't have to be liberal to be anti death penalty.
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@IssyFishyy I am well aware. I was simply providing another viewpoint to the OC, considering they tried very hard to ascertain their stance as fact.
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Veganism is not a starvation diet if done right. Sure, not eating meat does not mean animals don't suffer. But as a vegan, I do not directly contribute to their suffering. The bear needs to eat the fish for nutritional reasons. Your body does not deteriorate as long as you get all necessary nutrients, regardless of where they come from. I introduced both of my children to veganism. My daughter chose to stay a vegan. My son did not. I love them both equally and respect their choices.
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@hyrunnisa997 Humans are omnivores. But we are not obligate omnivores. My children both started eating vegan around they time they were 9. Eating meat has nothing to do with dying young. I know plenty of young children who were on all sorts of diets that died young. And I ate meat all my young life and developed mental issues. Veganism =/= extremism.
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Yes you can. Just buy it privately. Valid state ID is all you need. No bill of sale or background check.
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@alexandertilson7081 No. Not everyone who sells at gun shows is an FFL dealer. Plenty of private citizens sell at shows. I myself have sold privately at shows, and have also purchased from shows. I would advise you do some research
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Thats because there are no easily debunked arguments or facts for pro-life. They have to fall back on religion because its their only defense.
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@jovy1218 That doesn't back pro-life. Science takes a neutral stance on all moral arguments. We have found life on other planets, including mars. And yes DNA is complex. So what? Two, the latin word fetus means unborn and refers to any unborn mammalian species, not just humans. It is technically not a baby until after birth.
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@jovy1218 I took Latin in college. No, there are only 2 sexes. You apparently do not know the difference between sex and gender. Gender is a social construct. I would advise you do some research. Science can't tell you what is moral. If you want to use facts, you'd be pro- choice. I am more than happy to debate you.
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@ethanm.2411 Sentience and sapience. Not life.
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@ethanm.2411 I am perfectly fine with taking someone off of life support, especially if thats what they want. Ever heard of a DNR? Hospital slow codes? This is why I urge people to make a will, so your friends and family know if you would like to be sustained in machines or not. So yes. Absolutely. Unless of course, that is not your wish.
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@ethanm.2411 When it comes to life support, if you have no will, then it is your next of kin's choice to make. The analogy doesn't match. A fetus's right to life does not supersede a woman's right to liberty. She does not consent to pregnancy, therefore she has the legal right to remove the fetus.
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@ethanm.2411 You can disagree all you want. You're objectively wrong. That is the law in the United States. I will not debate unrealistic hypotheticals and variables. You are trying to twist an argument to suit your narrative, and its dishonest.
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@ethanm.2411 But you are trying to place that fetus's right to life above her right to liberty, because you won't allow abortion. She does not consent to the pregnancy. And if we want to be really technical, that fetus has no legal rights. I think the big issue between us is you view abortion as a moral issue. I view it as a legal one. I can grant you that abortion is immoral and still make a case for it being legal.
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@mariosh2 In my experience, its actually sentience that vegans have a problem with, not life. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively, which animals have. We find an animal ladder hypocritical. So it isn't so much killing life that vegans are against. Its killing sentient life, especially when theres no need to.
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@mariosh2 Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. That cannot be done without a brain.
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@mariosh2 Not by definition. I believe you are confusing the word sentence with the word cognition. Conciousness is sentience. But if it makes it easier to understand, then yes.
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Life isnt fair, and we must deal with that. To force another family to experience what you have is wrong, in my opinion. That, and capital punishment isn't practical.
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Mine did.
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@travisjohnson7065 Right and wrong is never objective. Its always a view based on your culture and upbringing. This should not be a moral issue. It should be a legal one.
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@travisjohnson7065 Its not objective. And no, 2+2 does not always equal 4. Only in interval and ratio scales does 2 + 2 equal 4. Wrong in your view may not be wrong in someone else's. What evidence can you use to prove without a doubt that your view is correct? None. Rape and murder is only wrong to those who believe that. Slavery is the same way. Some SLAVES fought to STAY slaves. And abortion is only wrong to those who believe it. And even if I granted you the premise that abortion is wrong, I can still make an argument for a necessary evil. I can make an argument from a legal perspective.
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@travisjohnson7065 Reality is subjective to one's own experiences. Your reality is not mine. Yoir experiences define and shape how you view a certain point in time. Sure, we may have a collective understanding of a basic reality, but it can and does change. Rape and slavery are wrong to you and to me. But that is because of our current culture. That reality has changed with time. No objective fact of nature can show you rape is wrong. You believe that because of the culture and environment you are raised in. You are taught that all people are human. That they all deserve to be respected. That they are all equal. So you naturally come to the conclusion that rape and slavery are wrong. But nothing in nature tells you that, and other cultures don't believe that either. By the way, indentured servitude is still a form of slavery. You could make an argument in favor of slavery. Just like one can make an argument for anything we typically find abhorrent. That's why objective morality doesn't exist. And it doesn't have to. The bottom line is, abortion is a right. Abortion is a necessary evil. Abortion will always be around, legally or illegally. And while it may be wrong TO YOU, that view is not objective. And NO ONE should be demonized for that decision.
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@travisjohnson7065 Time and culture shapes reality. It is not this objective unchanging force. Thats ridiculous. Morality exists subjectively. And if you're referring to "not believing in anything" in a religious sense, a belief in God changes nothing about your morailty. I'm a secular humanist. Someone murdering my loved one doesn't make what they did right TO ME. But that doesn't make my feeling objective, because that is not a belief shared by everyone. I don't care whether or not objective morality existed. It just simply doesn't. I said I could grant you the premise that it is evil. I don't believe it's evil. I don't believe its inherently wrong. But in a debate, I could grant you the position that it is evil, and still make a case for why it should exist.
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@IssyFishyy Once again, trying to convert someone at all is inappropriate and unwanted. Speak about your beliefs sure. Give people resources if asked. But to actually try and convert people does not show love. You can't back up your beliefs without being dishonest, or without denying facts about the world because they don't suit your belief. I'm not the one with cognitive dissonance. I acknowledge a God might exist. I just simply don't believe in one. Of course atheists have beliefs. But those beliefs have nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is a lack of a belief, so there is no burden of proof. The burden of proof in on the person making a positive claim, whether that be that a God does exist or that one doesn't.
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@IssyFishyy No, I'm saying not to push the subject of Christianity if not asked about it. You're free to speak about your beliefs all you want. We've had this conversation before. The Bible does not line up with reality. No holy book does. My only point was you realizing the irony in saying I have cognitive dissonance when I'm not the one who tries to bend the world to suit my book. If there were evidence to accept, I'd be more than happy to try. But there isn't. That's what makes God supernatural. That's what makes believing in one faith. That's what I said. I can't have a burden of proof. I make no claim. I simply don't believe in a God because I don't see evidence for one. The world is not evidence of a God, because God is not the only explanation.
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@IssyFishyy I literally said speak about it if you wish. Just don't push it on people who tell you they aren't interested. If I've outright left a conversation, it was because I never received a reply, or its because youtube deleted a your reply. Most of the conversations I found, I was the last person to comment. I'm just assuming you never received a notification. I found Youtube comments to be less than ideal for deabte. An agnostic is a stance of knowledge. I am an agnostic. An agnostic who also happens to be an atheist. Atheism is a lack of a belief in a God. That is not a claim. Now if I were an anti-theist, that would be another story.
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@IssyFishyy You shouldn't make them do anything. That is exactly what pushing is. You want to know what else is funny? 95% of our conversations have me as the last response. So I'm actually assuming you're the one not getting notifications. I always respond to YouTube notifications, even if the conversation is going no where. Lack of belief in a God is not assertion that God isn't or can't be real. In fact, I've told you more than once that a God could exist. I just don't believe one does. That's not a claim. A claim would be saying God does/does not exist. An assertion of fact. They're not interchangeable. In fact, belief in no God isn't even possible. You can't believe in a negative. You don't have the burden of proof, unless you are claiming as fact that a God exists. If you're just asserting belief, then that's not a claim.
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@IssyFishyy No. The law makes them go to school. If they don't want to sleep, I don't force them. If they don't want to eat, I don't force them. I'll certainly ask them why, but I leave it at that. That is a reasonable explanation. I'm sorry that happens. That's happened to me a few times. I don't think its biased, I think it just reads conversation like this as spam. Its on an automated system, so its hard to have a bias. No it isn't. I lack a belief in a God. I am fully open to the idea that a God might exist. That's why I'm an agnostic atheist and not an anti-theist.
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@IssyFishyy Well, that's why I talk to them. Because there has to be a reason. That isn't what I meant. We shouldn't force people to believe or do certain things they are uncomfortable with. I shouldn't force you to abandon your faith anymore than you should insist I believe the way you do if I say I'm not interested. Atheism really isn't a left or right position. I know many Christian leftists and I know several Atheist conservatives. I'm just arguing for people to be able to believe what they want, whether that's a positive belief or a lack of a belief. I argue for people to see all sides. I argue for people to stop using the Bible as justification for harm. I am personally an atheist. I don't find any problem with people choosing to believe one way or the other. I just want people to see flaws in their logic, as well as point out my own. Learning in any way is positive. My issue with religion comes from when it is used in a way to hurt others. And I feel the same way with atheism.
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Why not talk to a normal vegan then?
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That's not what that word means.
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Wara-Chi Nope. They're right.
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Wara-Chi I know. You're the one who disagreed with abortion. Did you misunderstand the op?
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Agree on capital punishment. Not abortion. Abortion is a right. We should work on slowly fixing the problems that lead to most abortions.
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@RemyLebeau1985 Thats a subjective opinio . Exposing a child to abuse and neglect is also morally wrong. Also abortion is never convenient.
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@RemyLebeau1985 Adoption should be looked into, but isn't always available and isn't free. Plus it doesn't guarantee quality of life
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@Bob-sx7iv Guns save more lives than they take. I'm not a defeatist, nor do I think the only way to defend yourself is with a gun.
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@Bob-sx7iv Gee, and I wonder how many of those were suicides? 80% of them probably.
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"Its a rare occasion when they are bad." No. Thats the standard. You are the rarity, hon.
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@andrewparker6058 Statistics are a collection of knowledge that is given to us. You honestly don't seem to know how stats work.
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@andrewparker6058 Not really. To deny the vile things that happen to others just because you got lucky is, frankly, ignorant.
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@andrewparker6058 Except you're wrong. You are only believing that because you were one of the lucky ones. You can't help but be biased to your own perception of how things are. There's nothing wrong with that. You just need to admit it.
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@andrewparker6058 You ARE lucky. You may have bounced through a few different places, but the people you experienced were fine. I work with people that lived in attics, were horribly abused by their guardians, were sex trafficked for money, and were used as a means to gain income. These instances ARE NOT rare. No, I think you're lucky that the few homes you did go to were relatively stable. I think you're lucky that you weren't permanently disabled or disfigured. I think you're lucky that you found, what I assume to be, a loving permanent home. We ridicule the whole process because of the MILLIONS of children who DID NOT get the love that you did. What upsets me is you refusing to accept that fact. I never said putting your kid up for adoption is a terrible thing. It's not. But neither is abortion. Adoption does NOT guarantee a stable life.
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@andrewparker6058 That I entirely understand. Its so easy for things to get lost in translation.
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So why do we have a death penalty? Its not a deterrent.
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You can. Depends on the person. By the way, psychopath is not a term used anymore. Its a spectrum of ASPD.
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Nah, its just personality. You can get plenty of protein and iron in a vegan diet.
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If you had a reaction to a vaccine, then fo yourself a favor and determine which vaccine you had a reaction to and ask for the ingredients. Then stay away from vaccines or medications with those ingredients. You may be the rate exception of those that have bad reactions to vaccines. That doesn't mean you should encourage others not to get them or prevent children from getting them.
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Because not having guns at all would completely stop all violent crime right? Oh wait...
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Its not being alive thats the issue morally. Its sentience and the hypocrisy.
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Or you could you know...be sexually attracted to multiple people.
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The dead and nonexistent cannot love anyone though.
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@Rat Race Yeah no. I don't believe that. But if you'd like to show me evidence, go right ahead.
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IssyFishyy Well, love is a chemical of the brain in the literal sense. The dead do not have functioning brains, and therefore cannot love.
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IssyFishyy Prove that he was. In fact, prove that he was divine at all.
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IssyFishyy No thank you. A storybook is no evidence of anything. I would like physical evidence of a resurrection. If that occured, certainly somone would have written it down. Not waited 30 years after his resurrection.
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C. Barrett It's not the truth if you can't prove it. It's simply a belief you have, and forcing it on other people only makes them think you're an irritating asshole.
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Yes.
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I don't believe more of my taxes should go towards your emotional revenge.
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You mean like telling me I'm going to hell if I abort it? Very rarely will people actually help you after birth. People don't give time and money in general. You're usually on your own. They're fine with helping you through the pregnancy, but where are they for the 18 years after?
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Yes. Because there is consent of the breastfeeding mother. She agrees to breastfeed her child.
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It's funny because Christians always tout that line, when the Bible actually condones abortion. Even commands it in some instances.
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Of course we don't know everything. But we know about immunology more than you do. If you have concerns, ask. NOTHING that a vaccine can do to someone is "irreversible". Most symptoms and reactions are one off and easily treated.
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At 18 days its heartbeat starts because the circulatory system is developing. It does not develop nerves until 4-5 weeks in, and does not develop a brainstem until between 10 and 12.
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@natynina8979 The brainstem is required to read any signals from the neurons. We can literally look at medicine and anatomy for that. You don't have to be a fetus to understand that. No its not. Stop trying to change the definitions of words to suit your narrative.
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@natynina8979 No, I'm not. Because it is. It fits thr criteria of being alive. But you also don't need a heartbeat to be alive. Abortion is not murder. Thats just a lie.
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@natynina8979 Then I'd advise you pay up, because I have had an abortion. In fact, I aborted my first child. 96% percent of abortions take place before the 12 week mark. These are done with a pill. You are given a medication that causes the body to miscarry and a D&C is then performed, as it would be for a miscarriage. That fetus is a living human. So what? Doesn't make it muder.
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@natynina8979 Then don't place bets. Its not the morning after pill. That has to be taken before implantation of thr embryo. The morning after pill and the abortion pill are not the same, though the have similar ingredients. An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy at ANY stage. Doesn't matter if its 8 weeks or its 30 weeks.
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Yes. Vegans abstain from all animal products. Vegetarians abstain from meat
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IssyFishyy You can't just give your child away. That's called child trafficking. There's an adoption process you must go through and its expensive as hell, which is why most adoptions are state adoptions.
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The SR Chronicles Then maybe you should learn more on the topic before making a snap judgement call.
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We don't need the death penalty.
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You pay more for the death penalty than you do for life in prison.
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M I believe its because they claim they care about life and that life matters, but see no issue in the deliberate slaughter of an animal when humans are animals as well.
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M I wasn't saying pro-life supports all life. But its hypocritical to claim that the reason your pro-life is because "you care about life" when you really don't. By the way, do you also not support a person's ability to die on their terms? Because you can be pro-choice and against abortion.
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Its almost like its the conservative pro-life side that fights against birth control and safe sexual education in schools...the absolute irony.
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@RimZeime Those are statistics you just made up. In fact, the country with the higest abortion rate is Russia. The US isn't even in the top 10. I know people outside the US have casual sex, and they also have abortions. So I fail to see how its just an American problem.
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The law doesn't forbid you from doing drugs. The law forbids you from possessing or distributing drugs.
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But she's right. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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Not so much a myth as it is poorly named.
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@LoreEclectic To be fair, its not a loophole. That implies that it gets around the law. Which it doesn't. That's what the law is
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The difference is the fetus isn't sentient at the time of the abortion. It cannot think or feel. It CAN however think and feel when its being abused or neglected.
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@samsnyder9151 Yes. Yes I am. Better to have not known life at all then to be left alone to be abused. Not everyone feels the way I do, and I understand that. But if you were ever abused by the system, you would understand.
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Someone doesn't know what the definition of murder is.
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@vidguy No, it's the unlawful killing of one person by another. Killing and murder are not always interchangeable.
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@vidguy If it's not unlawful, than it isnt murder. A non sentient being cannot give consent.
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@vidguy Once again. You lack the basic understanding of what murder is. Murder is UNLAWFUL. I don't need permission from the fetus until it is sentient. Until then, it is dependant on taking my life in order to develop. I have all the control until it is no longer biologically dependent on me.
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@vidguy You're an idiot with a lack of basic understanding. You're so blinded by emotions that you can't comprehend why a woman would have an abortion.
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@jalepenopvp2300 Where in the definition of atheist does it say anything about the supernatural? An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Agnostic refers to the knowledge of a God's existence. Most people are both. For instance, I am an agnostic atheist: I don't believe in a God, but don't know whether one exists. This is what she is.
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Pro-choice literally stands for all those things.
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@lainewhite5691 Nice debate.
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@ethanm.2411 When you can show me how a fetus can grow and develop without being attached to the womb and taking nutrients from its mother, then perhaps I will entertain the concept that its not her body. Yes it will. Because a fetus requires the use of a uterus to development. To use that uterus without the consent of the mother is a violation of her bodily autonomy, just as a doctor cannot simply take your healthy kidney and give it to someone else who will die without it simply because you can live with one kidney. If you don't think an individual has a right to do whatever they want with their own body, you do not support the Constitution.
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@capricornicus1225 Heartbeat is usually detected by 4 weeks. You know what's doing that? The mother. The brainstem doesn't finish devloping until between 10 and 12 weeks, and the actual brain not until between 15 and 17. This is why the cutoff is 20 weeks in most places, because the necessities for life have been fully formed. Regardless, this is not a moral issue.
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@capricornicus1225 I'm sorry, but I went to medical school. I've helped perform both early and late term abortions. You, my friend, are incredibly misinformed. Abortion should always be an option.
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@lucasnoahiassogna7842 Not a myth, just bad nomenclature. Also, background checks are only mandatory if your buying them from a dealer.
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The badly named "gun show loophole" doesn't apply to dealers. It applies to private sellers.
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No, and there's no such thing as pro-abortion. Pro-choice just allows someone to choose any option, including abortion. By the way, did you ever maybe think that some people who are pro-choice have been through the hell of neglectful abusive parents and wish they had been aborted?
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You can eat whatever you want. But to say that you NEED meat is entirely untrue. Carnivores have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not.
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And polyamory also requires that.
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@chevalierdeloccident5949 As if polyamorous asexual people don't exist. Continue living in ignorance.
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@Molly McConnell The Universe isn't proof of a God's existence. Thats called the God of the Gaps fallacy.
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@Molly McConnell The Universe isn't proof of anything except the Universe's existence.
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No, extremists are.
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Either abortion is an option to everyone regardless of reason because of bodily autonomy, or no one is entitled to one because the fetus' life is most valuable. Take your pick.
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Well, she would be according to the Bible.
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@zaydadon8472 I don't really believe any of that nonsense
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Thats what we call anecdotal evidence. Guess what? Not everyone feels the way you do. I was a failed abortion and was horribly abused. Despite what I have accomplished in life, it was not worth the pain and damage I went through, and I wish I had been aborted. You don't understand either.
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hendrix3081 everyone is or should be agnostic. An agnostic is a knowledge claim. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know whether or not there is a God, but I don't believe in one. People hate Christians, most of the time, because they try to force their beliefs on others and strip others of their rights. Most Abrahamic religions do this.
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You don't need a background check in the majority of states to purchase a firearm if to ou str purchasing it from a private seller.
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@domgruver I own 3 firearms, 2 rifles and a handgun. I have never had a background check and it has literally taken me all of about 2 hours to get all 3. My state has no restrictions on private sales.
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@shanabanana9948 Well that makes one of us. Listen, regardless of whether you like it or not, at least in the US, abortion is not murder. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. Abortion should be a last resort. Buts it's a responsible decision as well. Its heartbreaking to hear kids every day say "I wish I had been aborted" and then off themselves.
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@shanabanana9948 Its only considered a double homicide if the woman is 5 months along or more, because that's when the fetus is sentient and no longer dependant biologically on the mother.
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Oh fuck off with your God delusion. I love myself, my husband, my children and my partner. I have standards, am not more selfish than any other human, or disloyal. Nor am I a particularly lustful person. My love is different from yours. Grow up.
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They don't. Not if you're doing a vegan diet right. Barring a medical condition, humans do not have to eat meat.
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Private sales happen at shows and do not have background checks in most states.
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Except that was a completely false statement. Planned Parenthood does do more than just abortion you know.
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Lizzie Allen And? They offer a needed service.
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Lizzie Allen Nobody needs drugs, though I am of the opinion that the drug war needs to end. As of right now, I see why people would choose abortion. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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Lizzie Allen probably because it isnt, since it doesn't fit the established definition of murder.
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It would actually slow down mass shootings if you took away gun free zones and made it easier in some states to get a gun. Allowing good citizens to carry guns will deter mass shooters. My school is open carry for this reason.
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Your whole statement to me seems like either you were never in a prison at all or you were in a low or medium security facility. Or maybe were just in a different place. Death Row inmates are often given keys to their own cells and are not even close to restricted. Hell, here they're given xboxes. If they got sentenced to life, they wouldn't be in general population. That is for low risk offenders. They would be sent to segregation. I am of the strong suspicion you have been to jail, but not prison. Because you seem to have 0 knowledge of what a prison actually is and the different levels of one.
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The problem with that is the so called "gunshow loophole" refers specifically to private sales of firearms at gunshows that do not require a background check. This is quite common. You'd be more accurate to say its a poorly named red herring than it straight up doesn't exist.
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@quaidmoore7997 There are differences and it lies in who you're buying from. Some require background checks, others do not.
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@woobeewooo Yes, you absolutely can. I am vegan and take no supplements at all. I'm sure not everyone can do that, but it absolutely can be done.
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I actually think that not only are you a biased, judgmental asshole, but you actually have no idea how polyamory actually functions.
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@Believer-kx5hu I'm sorry you feel that way about a stranger you've never met simply because what makes them happy is different to what makes you happy.
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Because the death penalty does nothing benefical, as does forcing a person to give birth.
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@yellowyellowyellow7894 For one thing, that doesn't happen. And to claim it does is dishonest. Thise who do comitt crimes worth of the death penalty are sent to maximum security prisons, of which no one has ever escaped. Abotion provides a lot od benfit to the person having it, as long as that decision was thought through amd carefully decided.
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Someone who has ASPD (since we no longer use the term psychopath) doesn't mean their violent. A good friend of mine is a diagnosed, for lack of a better term, sociopath.
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Keyblademaster Boancous Proof please.
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So here's also the thing. There is no law dictating who can sell at shows. A vendor can either be a dealer, someone who owns an FFL, or some citizen who wants to sell their wares. Texas is one of the 38 states that places no restrictions on private sales. If I walk up to a stall that is a citizen, they are under no legal obligation to give me a background check. All 3 of my guns have been purchased at shows. Never have I had a background check. This is the "gunshow loophole". Its a terrible name for a private sale at a show.
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So I guess the thousands of lives saved by good people with guns don't matter huh?
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Wesley R No it doesn't. She is an agnostic atheist, a person who doesn't believe in a god but doesn't rule out a possibility of there being one.
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Wesley R The supernatural doesn't just apply to God, so he was wrong. I believe in the supernatural, but I'm an atheist.
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Pro-life people don't give a damn about quality of life or people's rights.
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No you shouldn't. But you don't have to. Thats what prison is for.
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@jefroko5464 The death penalty is not practical and should be abolished in my opinion.
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Thats because your not polyamorous. And there's nothing wrong with that. But polyamory is about love, just love of multiple consenting partners.
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@scottp7256 Gee, I wonder why polio was eradicated? Measles used to be a death sentence if not found soon enough. Wonder why that's not the case anymore. You should go the doctor if you have an unexplained rash. That's a sign of inflammation. Fever depends on other symptoms, but a fever is your body's way of saying its immune system has been activated.
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@scottp7256 I don't know anyone that doesn't go to the doctor for flu-like symptoms, especially when they last longer than 24 hours. You proved you did zero research. A women died of pneumonia caused by measles in 2015 in Washington State. Over 50 children have been hospitalized this year for measels, and while none were fatal, 2 developed encephalitis. That is a problem. There is no such thing as a "mandatory" vaccine. You are not under any legal obligation to get vaccines. I won't acknowledge that because it isn't true.
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@scottp7256 I have immune problems, so flu-like symptoms for me is almost always treated with antibiotics. Usually because my flu-like symptoms are caused by some kind of infection (most common for me being LRI or UTI)
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It is not false, but it also really isnt a loophole nor is it restricted to gun shows. It refers to private sales not requiring background checks.
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@colehayden1021 Private sales do not require background checks in most states.
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@colehayden1021 you didn't post a link. I assume you were posting a link to a video of them "proving" the gun show loophole false. That doesn't mean it is. Background checks are only mandatory by law if you're buying them from a dealer.
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Mathilde Young 1. Fetus, not a child. 2. Hardly even a body at the time of most abortions. Religion is ruled by "life begins at conception". It's not about life, it's about sentience.
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Mathilde Young 1. The scientifically correct term is fetus, not "unborn child." 2. Please retake a biology class and learn the difference between gestational periods. 3. Sentience is the capability to be able to think and feel subjectively, something you cannot do without a brain. i.e abortion destroys the potential of life for a human being. It kills a fetus.
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The vendors only need to perform a check if they hold an FFL. Private sellers can vend at shows too, and those laws fall to the states.
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No. We are not the top of the food chain. Because food chains are based on what you consume. Not whether or not you have no predator.
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@IssyFishyy Well, in your view? God.
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I don't care what you eat, but animals wouldn't overpopulate if we stopped domesticating them, which is sometimes what ethical vegans are for.
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Some do because veganism is part of their moral system.
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Kara Kelly Most atheists I know, including myself, aren't bothered when believers talk about God. We are only bothered when believers either a) Try to force us to believe by using a fear of hell, or b) Tries to use their God to dictate the laws of the land.
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And most abortions take place between 6 and 8 weeks in the first trimester.
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@JandJFarmCritters No states allow abortions at 9 months because the federal law doesn't allow that. The latest cutoff date is 26 weeks.
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What he wasn't right about is saying she wasn't an atheist.
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Nope. I'm pro-choice and while I think you should get vaxxed, I absolutely don't agree with mandates.
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IssyFishyy Literally every other religion says that. That's the problem with Pascal's Wager. You can't all be right, but you could all be wrong. Also, no. Christianity may have one true Creator, but there is more than just one God in Christianity. Why do you think the first commandment is "Thou shall have no other Gods before me?" It acknowledges other Gods, but that Yaweh (or Elohim) is the God above all.
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IssyFishyy Umm no. The Bible acknowledges the existence of other Gods, but that they are lesser beings and simply inferior to Yaweh, which is why they should not be worshipped.
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IssyFishyy What about Psalms, Exodus, and Numbers? All three of these chapters acknowledge other Gods. Hell, In Deuteronomy 4:19 the Israelites are forbidden from worshipping “the sun, the moon and the stars, all the host of heaven . . . [which] Yahweh your god has allotted to all the peoples everywhere under heaven.” In other words, they were told not to worship other gods, not because those gods did not exist, but because they were supposed to rule other peoples, not Israel. The Bible straight up acknowledges other Gods. But these Gods were themselves created by Yaweh, which is why he should be worshipped.
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IssyFishyy That's not what the Bible says. The Psalms fairly explode with evidence. “There is none like you among the gods, O Lord” (86:8); “For great is the Lord, and greatly to be praised; he is to be revered above all gods” (96:4); “Our Lord is above all gods” (135:5); “Ascribe to Yahweh, [you] gods, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength” (29:1); “He is exalted above all gods” (97:7); “For Yahweh is a great god, and a great king above all gods”. You beginning to even see a problem with the Bible?
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IssyFishyy Except they are. What do you think an idol is? Its an image of a God that is worshipped. Baal, for instance, would be a real God. But he's an idol, because he would be a false God of Christianity (as the Creator is Yahweh). That doesn't mean he wasn't acknowledged as real. In Exodus Yahweh predicts that he will execute judgments “on all the gods of Egypt” (12:12). The author of Numbers then declares that that is indeed what happened: “Yahweh executed judgments against their gods” (33:4). There is no hint that Yahweh is the only God. Instead it is clearly implied that Egypt has her own gods, and Yahweh will defeat them.
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IssyFishyy An idol is not a false God. Its a depiction of a real God. No where does it say these Gods were not real. Others Gods were supposedly creations of Yaweh as well. That's why he forbid the worship of them. Because he was the creator, not because these Gods did not exist.
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IssyFishyy But your Bible says they aren't mortal beings. It even labels them as Gods, just lesser Gods. It even references other Gods and makes no hint that they don't exist. Once again, you'll just find any mental gymnastics to try to get out of it. Hell, even theologians of your own religion, who are they themselves Christian, acknowledge that other God's exist, but that Yaweh is the supreme God. That doesn't mean Christianity isn't monotheistic. It, technically, still only worships one God. By the way, creation does not equal existence.
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IssyFishyy I don't know what started existence. Perhaps there was no start. The difference is, I don't then jump to "Must be God." I acknowledge the possibility of God. By the way, Yaweh is an idol to anyone who isn't a Christian. Does that make him any less real in religion. No. He's still a God, just not the correct God in other religions.
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Raa16 Christianity has one ultimate Creator. It does not have one God. The Bible acknowledges other Gods, which is why the 1st commandment is the way it is. Secondly, I meant mainstream religion.
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Raa16 Yes, it does acknowledge the existence of other Gods. Your own Bible acknowledges the existence of other Gods, but calls them lesser beings. It still refers to them as Gods. A God is simply a superhuman being or spirit. In monotheism, "God" is the supreme creator. However, that doesn't mean other Gods don't exist. You can have multiple gods, and still be monotheistic. Sure, the Bible acknowledges these gods as false. That's because they are not the creator, not because they don't exist.
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Raa16 Except it does. It literally talks about how Yaweh will destroy them. How they are all creations of him. It literally tells you not to worship them because they are false. Numbers, Psalms, Deutorotomy, Exodus. If you scroll up this conversation thread, you will find the specific verses. According to the established definition of a God in both monotheistic and other religions. There is one supreme God in Christianity, that being Yaweh. There are other Gods (i.e. supernatural deities that control man) acknowledged as false in the way that they are not the creator. Not that they aren't Gods. Baal is a great example. Your acknowledging the possibility of magic being real. Your Bible however, literally namedrops other Gods.
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IssyFishyy Still waiting on that to happen. Actually, still waiting on Yahweh to prove he exists.
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Not in all cases. Background checks are only mandatory if you're buying from a dealer or if your state restricts private sales.
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@Nanofuture87 Uhh yes it does. Private sales can happen anywhere, including at gun shows.
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@Nanofuture87 Then we agree. Okay, I got confused.
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An agnostic What? You aren't just an agnostic. That's not a belief. The atheists were unhappy because the old man kept trying to pick an argument.
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@ljb8157 You're wrong.
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Those 2 things have nothing to fo with each other ethically. One is sentient. The other is not.
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@JordanCantFight Personally, I'm vegan for health reasons. But the unborn can't care and aren't aware. Animals are. That's the difference ethically.
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Depends on who you're buying the guns from.
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@DeathsHood Exactly.
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@reubenvarghese3588 The only thing that is refuted by science that I often see pro-choice people use is that life does begin at conception and that the the fetus is human. Neither laws nor morality are based on science. They're based on feelings and emotion. Those can be based or influenced by science.
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@reubenvarghese3588 Science cannot tell you a drinking age or marijuana. Those laws have changed with the emotions and cultures over the years. It has nothing to with science. And no. They didn't think the African American race was inferior because of science. They thought they were inferior because the Bible said they were. That was a religious based thing. Science can tell us things that can influence how we think and feel, and that can in turn change laws. But that is not directed by science. People still do and will always hold unscientific beliefs.
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@reubenvarghese3588 No, the main difference between a human infant and a human fetus is sentience.
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@reubenvarghese3588 No its not. Show me a fetus that can grow without attaching to a human uterus. Show me a human fetus that can develop out of its embryonic stage without a uterus, placenta and umbilical cord. You are wrong. A fetus NEEDS a mother on a BIOLOGICAL level to develop past an embryo.
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@Oliver Lewis Well, no. They aren't justified in the usage of the term murder, because abortion is not unlawful. Your analogy makes no sense. A predicition based on evidence is not the same as twisting the definition of a word to suit a narrative.
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@lovelyuntamed I disagree. I think it should be abolished.
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@lovelyuntamed As you said, this comment section is open.
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@lovelyuntamed Yep. I do think it should be abolished
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Debby Dooks And this is why religion does not play a part in our laws.
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That doesnt make the woman any less of a hypocrite. Medically, a fetus is not a baby. You can believe it's cold hearted murder, but that doesnt make it so. If you outlawed abortion, you wouldn't save anyone. Those women would go to some back alley and abort it, probably killing herself in the process. Just because you heard it doesnt make it true. The number of children in foster care and adoption centers FAR outnumber the parents willing to take care of them. It isnt selfish to realize you cannot care for something and decide to abort it when it isnt sentient. What IS selfish is forcing an unfit mother to birth and care for a child just to make YOU happy. Morality is subjective.
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@jonathancochran4310 I dont recall calling it a clump of cells. So what if its human life? Since when did life becoming the deciding factor? The heartbeat is not the fetuses own alone. What you're detecting (if you can at all) is the chambers pumping blood through the umbilical cord. That has everything to do with the mother. Not the fetus. It has no brainstem, therefore it has no ability to have a heartbeat independent of its mother.
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Jonathan Cochran The fetus's brainstem doesn't even begin to start forming until 10 to 12 weeks. A majority of abortions take place in the first trimester, between 6 and 9 weeks. The fetus is not sentient at this point. Abortion should be off the table when the fetus is no longer dependant on its mother from a biological perspective. When its sentient (around 10 to 12 weeks) that's when abortion should be off the table. You clearly don't actually know how abortions are actually performed and that's not my problem. A fetus isnt a baby until after its born. Life isnt sacred or precious in my opinion. Human beings can easily be replaced. That may sound depressing to you, but its realistic. A non sentient fetus, which is a parasite on its mother, cannot decide for itself, and the mother should not be forced to keep it.
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That would make you pro-choice.
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Mmm no. Most women get abortions because they realize they are not emotionally, physically and financially stable enough to raise one properly. Sure, some women just don't want it, but that's not the majority. And no. My purpose is to live my life. Not procreate to keep going. We have more than enough humans. Unfit parents cannot properly teach right from wrong. Thats why abortion is available.
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ilkin engin You can't even prove he exists
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I am FINE If we look at the bible to tell us what is right and wrong then boy are we fucked. What with all the rape, genocide, murder, slavery, and sexism the bible preaches.
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@idk_14702 See...you people are the reason pandemic resurge.
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Umm no. A fetus's heart can usually be heard at around 4 to 6 weeks. But guess what? The mother is controlling that heartbeat. Because the fetus lacks a brainstem to control its own cardiovascular system. Why do you people place so much value on a heartbeat and not brain activity? The heartbeat doesn't define death. The fetus is a parasite on a woman, stealing her vital nutrients to develop itself. Until sentience is achieved, whether or not you think its right or wrong, a woman has the explicit right to her bodily autonomy. Her right trumps that of a non-sentient parasite. Focus on fixing the problems we currently have and one day, maybe we can see an end to abortion.
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@morgancurvin7279 And I never said it wasn't alive. It is. But so are the insects you squish and the animals you eat. No, its not a fundamental right. But it is a right with the Roe vs Wade act. Also no. Forcing unfit women to give birth us anti-woman. Violating the right to bodily autonomy is anti-woman. Except your argument falls aparat because the pre-born are not sentient.
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@morgancurvin7279 Yes, and that is achieved between 10-12 weeks. Whem sentience is achieved, abortion should be off the table in my personal opinion. My point in comparing humans to insects is that is why the topic of life doesn't matter. Sentience does. Murder does not equate to killing. Murder has to be unlawful by definition. Also, when did I say women shouldn't have a baby? That should be no one's choice but the womans. No actually. One point of sex is to reproduce. There are plenty of other reasons behind it. You're not human just because you're alive and abortion is not murder. Killing humans being wrong is a subjective moral opinion. I think allowing a child to be abused and neglected is wrong, which you statistically know is a likelihood when an unfit mother gives birth.
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You dont need a God and a religion that places 0 value on life in order to respect life.
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Why do I want to have more than one partner? Simple. Because I love more than one person romantically. Who exactly does that hurt when everyone consents? Adam and Eve did not exist. They are parable characters designed to tell a story. And Abraham had at least 3 wives.
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@timus4993 I am a woman.
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@timus4993 He did have 3 wives. Sarah, Hagar, and Keturah. He had married them at the same time. You should actually go back and read the Bible. There is no getting around that. And he was not the only one. David, Jacob and Solomon all had multiple wives.
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@timus4993 He still had multiple wives at the same time, as did several other prophets. If that's your argument against polyamory, its a flawed one.
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@timus4993 It was three, if you actually read the Hebrew Bible, but most people translate a concubine to someone one only slept with. Either way, the point stands. Your religion allows for polyamory, so what is your issue?
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@timus4993 Perhaps polygamy is not allowed in your specific denomination. However, Christianity allows polygamy, and there's no arguing that. Its in the Bible. And regardless, not everyone is religious.
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@timus4993 Sure
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@timus4993 Yes I am.
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@timus4993 No. Polygamy isn't legal. I have a husband, and another partner I consider my fiancé.
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@timus4993 If either of us wants to add someone, we would talk about it yes. 2 is enough for me at this moment, and he's monogamous to my knowledge.
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It's not a deterrent. This has been proven. Homicide rates are consistently lower in non death penalty states, and have been since 1990.
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So rape victims and those with medical issues should suffer and die? Yet another person who doesn't understand what murder is and doesn't get that abortion IS a right.
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Lizzie Allen Abortion is never convenient. Its expensive and not covered by insurance and most people ostracize those who have an abortion. Abortion is a right, and should be legal and available to any woman who wants one. In my opinion, it should still be a last resort. But a mother who is unfit will abuse and neglect her child.
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@remedyprey9505 The right to liberty. That was literally written as the right to oneself. The right to have consent about what happens to your body.
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@remedyprey9505 If you actually read the definition of murder, then you wouldn't say abortion is murder. Because its not.
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Because some people are incapable of raising a child, and they understand that if they abuse themselves, they're probably going to abuse the child. Abortion should always be a last resort, but should be an option available.
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@vaguepepper4028 Who are you to determine whether or not it's better to suffer than die? Try listening to hundreds of kids between the ages of 8 and 14 for 8 hours a day scream about how they wish they were aborted.
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@vaguepepper4028 You cannot miss something you never had. You can't miss living if you never lived.
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@williamlougheed7094 Abortion isn't murder for one thing, but I have yet to find anyone that thinks that all types of killing humans is wrong. Would you shoot a person who broke into your house to protect yourself? Are you for the death penalty? By the way, that DNA in that tumor is human DNA if the tumor is in a human. This issue isn't black and white.
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@williamlougheed7094 And here comes the lies. Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Not only does the law not recognize a fetus as a human being (because it lacks sentience) abortion is not unlawful. Its not an opinion. Its a fact.
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@williamlougheed7094 No, the definition of a fetus is any unborn mammal. If a person in a coma is braindead and lacks senteince then yes. They absolutely can be removed from life support. You're aware of this right? When did I ever say it wasn't human? It is. That literally doesn't matter. That's because tubes and clamps are performed on late term abortions. 97% of abortions take place before the end of the first trimester, and are done via a pill and a D&C. These fetuses cannot feel and are not aware, because they have no nerve activity yet. If you're going to outright lie to push a narrative, do the basic amount of research.
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@williamlougheed7094 I never said it wasn't human. It is. It doesn't matter if its human or not. Once again, never said sentience determines if its human or not. Sentience is only where we place value on something. Your not special because your human. Your special because you have the ability to experience and interpret the world. And why won't they recover? Right. Because they don't have a functioning brain. Kinda like a fetus at the time of most abortions. You lied about the definition of murder. You lied about what a fetus is. You lied about how abortions are performed. You also failed to mention that late term abortions are performed exclusively for medical reasons. No, I don't. I support a woman's right to choose until such time as the fetus is viable and sentient.
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You are seriously demented. If you show no respect, you don't deserve respect.
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Except all of those things can be vegan. And most vegans make an exception for medication
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A d&c is also performed for most abortions. You know what a miscarriage is called? A self-abortion.
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I have never had a background check at any show, but my sales were private.
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@michaelh404 No it isn't and if we look at this from a strictly legal perspective, a fetus doesn't have rights.
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I've been with the same 2 people for 11 years. You don't have to change partners.
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@scottpe6226 Yeah no. That's a flat out lie. Unless you're referring to the claim that vaccines can have side effects. But then, you have to lump all medications in with them.
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See the difference is a fetus is incapable of making decisions, as it is not sentient. No, the mother has decided that abortion is the best thing for the CHILD. She is UNABLE to care for it. Pro-choice can only be made if you have sentience. Anything that lacks sentience cannot make a choice and lacks the capability to care about what choice is made. Thats because theres a difference between killing and murder. A fetus does not have feelings or emotions at the time of most abortions. Aborting a non-sentient fetus is not the same as murdering a sentient child. That fetus is my life and is only developing its own body by being a parasite on me. Also no. The heart does not beat independently from the mother until around 15 weeks, and the heartbeat is first detected usually between 6 and 8 weeks. Sorry, but science doesn't take a stand on the abortion issue. You can't have a beating heart or feelings without a brainstem, which you certainly do not have at conception. Its not a lie to say its a fetus. Thats what it medically is. And on a biological level, everything living is a clump of cells. Its not a baby, by medical or scientific definition, until after birth. No one wants abortion anyways. But they understand why its an option available to people. Start treating the root causes of why women choose to have abortions, and you'll begin to see them decrease. The fetus has no rights. Rights are something only granted to you by a governmental body.
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Umm no. And she made it very clear she didn't believe in God. She just denied knowing whether or not a God exists. He was not wrong about her being agnostic. But he was wrong about her NOT being an atheist. She is both. Most everyone is.
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You do realize you can be polyamorous and loyal, right?
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IssyFishyy I never denied that religion can help society in a good way. But all religion does that. And on top of that, you don't need religion for that. Religion is also responsible for the fall of some of those civilizations.
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The gun show loophole is real. Its just extremely misnamed. It refers to the private sales of firearms at shows, which requires no background check. This can and does happen. But its a poor name because a) its not a loophole and b) it doesn't just occur at shows.
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Most offices will vaccinate for free.
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AJ White You can google direct vaccine injuries. That means injuries that can be directly traced to vaccines. The last death in the western world from a vaccine was in 1990.
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@hafsarazzaq929 Meat also has many concerns. If you're healthy, eat whatever you want. But don't pretend like you need to eat meat to be healthy. You don't.
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Thats a no true scotsman fallacy.
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@Noah Does Christian Apologetics. No. Just google a "no true scotsman fallacy".
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So you're a hypocrite.
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Daniel Stevens THANK YOU
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But it is. I mean sure, it would be sketchy as hell, but legal in most states. Depends on who you're buying it from
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@TylerrFTW Personally, I have never been to a gunshow where the majority are licensed dealers. Then again, I live in one of the most liberal gun states. I understand that the gun show loophole is a weak argument. Most of the "gun crime" in this country shouldn't even be counted, as its suicides and accidental discharges.
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I doubt that, considering you cannot even spell meningitis.
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Its not that they aren't a person or alive. Its that their not sentient and the rights do not supersede the mother.
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@orangejuice27 They're sentient when the brainstem finishes developing, usually between 10 and 15 weeks depending on the mother.
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You can have that terrible punishment without a death penalty.
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@nicolerodil2057 No one has ever escaped a maximum security prison, which is where the worst of the worst is held. That's not an argument when it does not happen.
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Influenza kills nearly 40,000 people in the US every year and is the 7th leading cause of death. The flu shot is your BEST protection against this.
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1. The more good people have a gun the less good people are killed with a gun. Ever wonder why mass shootings happen in gun free zones or in heavily gun restricted states? 2. No universal reason. And as far as armed forces grade weapons, those aren't readily available to the general public and have never been used in mass shootings.
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@waynebennett745 1. Yeah no. There are certainly people who can and do misuse guns, but it certainly doesnt happen like that. 2. If the issue is mass shootings, then you do need to look at rifles and pistols, ESPECIALLY handguns, as nearly all mass shootings are performed with hand guns.
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IssyFishyy I am pro-gun.
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I find that statement not only incredibly incorrect, but incredibly ignorant. My feelings run deeper in my closed poly relationship then most monogamous relationships. Is this true in all instances? No. But you make it sound like it can't happen.
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@Emmanuel_Amoah And "nearly impossible" is indeed incorrect and ignorant, because it isn't rare.
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Thats a small minority in my experience.
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Because the death penalty has no practical uses, and not all of us only think and react out of emotions.
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@something3867 No, I dont. I dont believe in Capital Punishment
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It may be a blessing to YOU, but YOUR opinion is not universal.
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And hasn't reoffended since. Most killers are not crazy, and the bottom line isnt about whether or not they deserve it. It's about whether its practical.
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The minority speaks the loudest
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And yet, you misrepresent her. Most atheists actually DO hate religion, because it does terrible things to people. They don't hate the RELIGIOUS. Secondly, she did noy say life wasn't valuable. She said life wasn't INHERENTLY valuable. Which its really not. I'm not going to sneer and tease you. You have your beliefs, and you seem tolerant of other people. Thats all I ask as an atheist.
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The way to stop madness from happening is to focus on rehabilitation for those who can feel empathy and sympathy, not punishment. That only proves to the criminal what they did was necessary.
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There's no way to measure that without generalizing. I've lasted a hell of a lot longer than a lot of monogamous people I know.
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Humans can be omnivores.
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Is it because you've never met a normal one who simply chooses not to use animal products?
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Well, then you're both wrong. You apparently don't know the difference between an agnostic and an atheist, because she's both.
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You should actually do research on these people. They are active on anti-vaxxer groups and believe that people should not be vaccinated because of their own experience.
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How? By being a moron?
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Lizzie Allen No I have not. Although I have heard of it.
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I would like to see your research to where most vegans go back to eating meat. I found no information on that. Some do go back to meat eating. But many stick with veganism. I'm healthier as a vegan than I ever was when I ate meat, but that's just me.
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@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530 I found plenty of information on failed veganism. I found 0 information backing up the fact that most vegans return to meat eating. Because that is a statement you pulled out of your ass.
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Nickname I'd love a link, because no where did I get a credible study that nearly everyone returns to meat eating. I found several that do say a fair percentage, and several that say that people who are younger tend to turn back to meat eating and then back to veganism/vegetarianism in their older years, but nothing even close to the numbers they claimed. I don't care what you eat. I choose to be vegan because its healthier for me. But I take issue when people, who are not doctors, blatantly state veganism is unhealthy in an attempt to be deceptive. Thats just a flat out lie.
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@banishedfromthedwarfplanet530 No, I'm quite well aware the Earth is round. I'm also a victim of drunk driving. I'm neither. I'm a full time medical school student that is actually one of those tolerable vegans who think that you should eat what makes you happy and healthy.
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Nickname I have. And I said more than once that many do. But it is not the amount nor the percentage they tried to claim.
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Nickname I do agree that many people don't stick with veganism. Complimenting can be time consuming and expensive depending on where you live. So I'm completely fine with people not agreeing with me.
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Nickname Then you and I got drastically different results. But I still think you should eat what you want.
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Nickname Nope, I'm not. But believe what you want.
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Nickname Well I did. So not sure what you want. I'm perfectly healthy being vegan, but I know not everyone is. So eat what makes you happy.
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Nickname Yeah, so do I. Absolutely no link I read put it at 85%. That was absoutely a statistic the oc pulled out of his ass to make his point seem more credible. And neither of you have given me the link that you read. I'm not saying your wrong. I simply don't have the article you both read.
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Depends on what type of vegan. Ethical vegans are against any form of hunting, clothing, eating or companionship.
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You do have a knife problem in Europe. Oh, and people running each other over. And acid and fire attacks. Because those are so much better than being shot.
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@sirsmokalot073 The US has seen a decrease in homicides over the last years where as places in Europe saw an increase. America has more cartels and gangs
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If sticking to his faith allows him to be nasty and rude to other people, then allow me to call him what he is. An asshole.
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@unpleasent3709 There is no truth when it comes to God as a God existing has yet to be proven.
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You're not killing a baby. You are terminating the develop of a non-sentient fetus.
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@Todss12 So what if it will? Why does quality of life not matter? That doesn't seem moral or ethical to me. I'm not choosing for anyone. I'm not a hypocrite who puts humans on a pedestal.
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@Todss12 Sure, some people would agree with you on that. Many other people would disagree with you on that. When you listen to 8-14 year old children scream every night "I wish I had been aborted," it changes your perspective. The government CAN'T stop abortions. The government can only stop SAFE abortions. If the fetus doesn't care, why should you? Who are you to speak for it?
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That is not true. Stricter laws would only work with law abiding citizens.
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@thatguybob6088 Its extremely easy to get guns illegally. Banning them would make them inaccessible to legal citizens
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@thatguybob6088 This is pretty simple. I live in Indiana. I legally purchase a firearm here and then drive to Illinois. That gun is now illegal. Most mass shootings are done with legally purchased firearms. Most crimes are committed with illegal firearms (usually because the person is not legally allowed to own a gun)
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@thatguybob6088 If we had stricter gunlaws nationwide, mass shootings and gun homicides would skyrocket. People who wanted guns would go to the underground market, just like they did during prohibition. Remind me how well it worked when we banned alcohol? Hows that drug war coming? That part is on you, not me. Do your own research. If I posted statistics here, you would denounce them as non credible based on your bias. Find websites that you deem credible and go from there. A majority of gunowners are probably mentally ill, as a majority of the population are mentally ill: depression and anxiety being the most common. Stricter gun laws would make it harder for people to obtain guns legally. Thats why people turn to illegal arms dealing. Tell me something. Why do mass shootings and the most gun related homicide happen in states or areas that are gun-free zones or have strict gun laws?
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@thatguybob6088 No, I do have an argument, and that is why gun legislation has been continuously shot down. Because we don't have a gun problem here. The media only tells you we do.
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@thatguybob6088 The fact remains that states and areas that allow open carry have fewer mass shootings and gun homicides than those that have strict gun laws. Not only that, but most "gun deaths" are suicide and accidental discharge. Not homicide. By the way, there is no law against drinking while pregnant. It just isn't advised.
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Some are. The majority are not.
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No, not really
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Mar B No he wasn't right. She is an atheist. She's also an agnostic, like most atheists. To call her just an agnostic and deny she's an atheist is moronic. The asshole was spouting his belief off as fact, and mistreated anyone who disagreed with him. He got what he deserved.
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Its like meat eaters don't understand thats not the argument.
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How is abortion not accepting responsibility? I would argue that giving birth to a child you KNOW you cannot take care of properly is irresponsible. You people seem to live in some fantasy world where people could magically take care of children in all situations. That is simply unrealistic. You can't have children? Then go adopt. There are floods of children that are continuously abused and neglected by the system because people only want to adopt certain characteristics. (Race, gender, age etc.)
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@matt1325 An organ being for a specific purpose still does not entitle someone else to use it. Would I think thats strange? Yeah. Would I think it was wrong? No. 2. That's still not necessarily accurate.
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Yes it is. Here it is. And you know what stops bad people with guns? Good people with guns.
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@wifi2166 Because taking guns away solves everything right? We just ignoring the fact that homicide and drug rates doubled in Australia, so much so the government bought back 60% of its guns?
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@wifi2166 Any source I provided you, you would claim wasn't true. So go do your own research. Find a source thats reliable to you.
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Not if the sale is private.
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Depends on who your buying it from. 35 states put no restrictions on private sales, and private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows.
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The cost argument has been debunked over and over. You pay more to put them to death. There is very rarely undeniable evidence. The man didn't say everyone can be rehabilitated. But most can. His point was we should be a country focused on rehabilitation, not punishment. You're not any safer whether a serial killer is on death row or in prison.
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@Ferbbie Ted Bundy never escaped from prison. He escaped from jail. Those are two separate facilities. The death penalty offers nothing beneficial to society that life in prison can't, so it should be abolished.
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@Ferbbie No. I'm not saying there is a 0% chance for someone to escape from prison. However, this is extremely rare. Especially with the technology we have now. Most escapes that are successful happen at minimum security facilities, and criminals are usually caught between 24 and 48 hours after escape. You're not any more at risk with a prison inmate than a death row inmate. There's no benefit to keeping them alive, other than it saves money. It's just not practical to put them to death. Its too expensive, it's not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rate.
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@Ferbbie Indeed. It's mostly because a death row inmate is granted unlimited appeals to overturn their conviction, whereas a prison inmate is limited. It takes so long because of the risk of putting an innocent person to death. Most cases are not as cut and dry as Ted Bundy.
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Someone not deserving to live doesnt give us a right to end their lives and harm other innocents
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@Digital Account Because we as humans don't care about life. We care about sentience.
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There is a lot wrong with challenging decades of research and evidence against baseless assertions. No vaccine is mandatory. But it can cause active harm to not be vaccinated. And you should not be allowed certain privileges if you have decided to risk actively causing harm.
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@kaleip7652 And those people who it can cause harm to is the exception to the rule. That's not the issue. The issue is people jumping to push an end to all vaccines simply because someone COULD have a bad reaction. A parent should have the right to questions, but not at the expense of others. I'm absolutely against mandatory vaccines, but you as a parent should have consequences should you choose to make a decision that causes harm. I know a woman personally serving 20 years in prison because she would not give her daughter the chicken pox vaccine, which she ultimately died of. When you are actively harming a child, you should no longer have the privilege to make a decision. And as far as the privileges go, I meant things like public education. If you choose not to vaccinate, fine. But you should not be allowed a position to harm other people. That is not fair. No, they're not. The reactions they do and can cause pr well documented. But people are quick to point blame on something when something bad happens. That's a ridiculous line of reasoning. You are encouraging people to doubt vaccines because people have had reactions. Thats like saying "think about not wearing a seatbelt, because they can and have harmed people". Your promoting a stance that actively causes harm. I doubt they have had reactions to vaccines. They've had conditions they have then blamed on vaccines, and now want to call everyone sheep who support research and evidence.
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You shouldn't show respect to people who do not respect you. I don't have to respect your beliefs to respect you or your right to believe in what you want.
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@tc5922 No, pro-life has one definition. And that definition means that I don't have bodily autonomy and don't get to die on my terms. That is vile. Please do some research on what the "movement" wants outside of the abortion debate.
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@tc5922 Believing in something doesn't change fact. That's fallacious at best. You do not get to change the definition of a word in order to fit your narrative. That is entirely dishonest. If you are pro-life, you are against abortion. Regardless of circumstance. Stop being ashamed to call yourself pro-choice.
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@tc5922 Then, in my opinion, you should be subjected to forced organ and blood donation, since you do believe life should be above bodily autonomy. You also are vile for being content in watching people suffer at cruel diseases and injuries without the option to have the ability to end that suffering. You do not see mothers as victims. You wish to restrict their rights to their body. Are you a vegan by any chance? Or is human life the only life you claim to care about?
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I acknowledge a fetus is a human being. I acknowledge a fetus is alive. I am pro-choice.
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Disbelief is not the same as belief in a negative. You realize there is a difference between knowledge and belief, yes? She does not believe in a God or Gods. Therefore, she is an atheist. She also does not know whether or not a God exists. Therefore, she is agnostic. Most atheists are agnostic, and everyone should be agnostic. Agnostic is a knowledge claim. Atheism is a stance of belief.
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I'm pro-choice. Why do you ask?
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Meh...its technically true. But its not a loophole, nor is it restricted to gunshows. More like terribly named
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But that doesn't work
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@harlenmitchell4577 Making it stricter to get a firearm would only make it harder for those who want to honestly obtain them harder. It will not lower crime rates.
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No it isn't.
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No, it should be about whether it's NECESSARY. Deserving it is a matter of personal opinion.
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@Dave m Because vaccines do not protect you from getting a virus. They are designed to protect you against potential leathal complications by giving your immune system a head start.
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Its not life. Its sentience.
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It doesn't happen very much in America.
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Because having sex is not for procreation as it is for health and pleasure for the body and the maturity levels of the brain do not work that way? Sure, abstinence works. But the body doesn't want to stay abstinent. I know many women who were in married relationships, who got pregnant and then were dumped and kicked out. Abortions happen. If you'd like to see them end, focus on treating the causes, not the symptoms
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@rekamaria5464 randome Ré No, I didn't say that. I absolutely think you should practice safely, and would prefer if people waited until they were ready. But that is not reality. Yes we are animals. Simple animals, no. But we have that instinctual desires. And some people lack self control. I don't really care what side you lean. I just say my personal opinion.
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Umm no. Meat can certainly make you feel sick. Meat, even so called "good" meat, can cause horrible digestive problems. Depends on the person.
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@fabiomendieta7022 Yeah no problem. I understand people's feelings and comfusion. And even as an atheist, she was hostile.
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A fetus can't make a choice. It has no brainstem or sentience. The right to life (which is an inherent right, not an amendment) does not apply to non-sentient things. A fetus has no rights until a certain period of time.
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So what?
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Most states do not have a gun license. If you go to a gun show, and buy from a private citizen, there is no background check, nor paperwork.
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@ImaBeAFK Once again, that isn't true. There are states without CCL's, open carry states. If you buy a gun privately, you can take it home same day without a background check. Thats in the same state, so if the gun is legal already, its already registered. You would need a background check only if your transferring it across state lines. Then you would need the correct paperwork. Understand the difference between the laws of a FFL sale and a private sale.
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@ImaBeAFK 38 out of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. Many people who sell at shows are not FFL dealers. You need no background check or bill if sale. Simply a valid state ID.
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Its because DON'T HAVE SEX is an approach that does not work. Sex is HEALTHY. Something most people want for reasons other than reproduction.
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Because that would be against the Bible. Not like it matters.
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Coming to a conclusion that there must be a God doesn't make them right. Until you can prove that the universe has to have been created, which no one has, I choose not to believe in God.
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@ivanarellano3409 Its not my job to disprove a God, as I do not deny a God may exist. Faith is belief in something with 0 evidence, and I think that's naive
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@travisjohnson7065 Yeah? So does a slow code.
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Well that just makes you uneducated on the subject matter.
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@pa21thebeast Based on previous comments, it certainly did not sound like a joke. That is why I said you were uneducated, because meat is not necessary for normal brain development. If that was indeed a joke, I am sorry. I am a vegan, though I do not care what people eat. I am a vegan because it is healthier for me.
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amelja Yeah? So were the Christians
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That's not true in many cases. Usually a dog is put down only if it cannot be proven that it is up to date on its shots, or if its known to be aggressive. I got a chunk taken out of the back of my leg by a neighbors Doberman, and the dog wasn't euthanized. And yes "fancy" 9x13 cells with a mattress and a toilet.
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No, increasing gun laws only increases that fear. That's why these mass shootings happen in gun free zones and in states where they're strict on guns
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You don't in all cases. Depends on who and where. Private sales occur at shows.
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@jebowar6679 Yes.
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@jebowar6679 Alright. I'm not conservative on moral issues because its wrong of me to step on others rights and freedoms.
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@willyounotthink3903 Objective morality does not exist.
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@IssyFishyy Yes, I would. Because that would go against my sense of morality. But i would not be able to show you that what you did was objectively wrong.
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@willyounotthink3903 Because I am an empath to who is capable of feeling hurt. For objective morality to exist, you would have to prove that murder, rape and pedophilia are never and have never been okay. You would also have to show that everyone thinks that. You can't do that. Because the only reason you think those things are wrong is because you grew up in a society that taught you they were. Outside of that system, you can't show they're wrong. I have a fine morality for being an atheist. Its better than the morality of your God that says women are property, kids should be killed for disrespecting their parents, and is cool with rape and slavery.
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@IssyFishyy No it isn't. Everyone does have conflicting moralities. They just don't always act on them because they do not want to be punished. You could take a moral framework (such as the Bible, law or humanism) and then something could be objectively wrong according to that framework. But the framework is still subjective. The majority may agree with that, but not all do. Some believe harm is okay if they believe it'll help in the long run. Just because viewpoints are considered taboo doesn't mean we can prove these ideas are wrong. Get over the fact that morality is subjective to time, environment and the people. Just don't be a dick.
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@willyounotthink3903 Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. But it is up for interpretation. It always has been. If no one believes rape is wrong, then how can you show that it is? That's a belief you hold. All civilizations don't agree on what evil is. What do you classify as a civilization? There are plenty of groups of people who still do cultural sacrifice. There are plenty of civilizations, the middle east for example, who still think rape victims deserve to be killed for adultery. What you think is good and evil isn't what everyone else thinks, so the fact that you can call these concepts absolute is laughable. They will change as the world does. I have more morality than the Bible does. I'm a secular humanist. I believe all people should be given the same respect and love that I would want. I think its wrong to harm people. My moral framework is subjective, and actions I do is objective to that moral framework. I don't believe in God. But even if he did exist, morality would still be subjective. It would just be subjective to God. You may call that the highest level of subjectivity, but it would still be subjective.
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@IssyFishyy No it doesn't. Objective means not up to interpretation. It is. If it wasn't, no one would fight for changes because everyone would agree. No, its a subjective framework. Actions can then be objective according to that subjective framework. So me, as a secular humanist, believes that murder is wrong. That is subjective. I have no way to prove that murder is wrong. But because I'm a secular humanist, if I went and murdered someone, I would be objectively wrong based on the moral framework that I held, because murder is objectively wrong according to secular humanism. No there isn't, or these things would have always been seen as wrong. And they weren't. They still aren't. Some people believe its perfectly fine to harm someone. And if harm is objectively wrong, it would be wrong regardless of justification.
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@IssyFishyy Oh yes they do. Have you seen MAP twitter? If you can't prove something to be wrong, then you can't call it objective. There are plenty of people who want to harm others for things like justice and revenge. That doesn't mean they will, but the certainly want to. And to them, they would be justified.
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More a red herring and poorly named.
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Yes. But plants aren't sentient and animals are.
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Pretty hard to do when autism is a genetic disorder.
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@snappy8666 No, I actually don't think it is. I legitimately know people who believe that, and they referred to vaccines as a poison.
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@zizfie3782 don't enjoy it, medical reasons, can't afford it etc. Give it a try at least. If its not for you than its not for you.
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@Humanity Galatica Nah. We just want rights to our bodies
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@Humanity Galatica I don't really care if its wrong in your subjective opinion. Morality isn't something that can be measured objectively.
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@Humanity Galatica They aren't objective. They're only granted to you because you live under a government that gives them to you. If you honestly believe that, then kindly fuck off because you actually have some kind of anti-social personality disorder. You are actually incapable of feeling empathetic for people individually.
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No he isn't.
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See the problem is, you never stop to consider the reason you aren't sick. You rary get sick because you have a strong immune system, and you are surrounded by vaccinated people, so your immune system is not exposed to damaging pathogens like meseals, polio or meningitis.
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That is not true. There are atheists believe in ghosts, for example. Atheism only refers to a belief in a God, not in anything supernatural. You can even believe in an afterlife and still be an athiest. You are right that she is agnostic. But she's also an atheist. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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You always place more value on things that are rare.
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@strive4252 Humans are animals as well. I, personally, find no inherent value in human life. That being said, abortion shouldn't be a moral issue. It will get you no where. Its a legal and rights issue.
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@strive4252 No animal is a person but humans are animals. Just because I don't find inherent value in human life doesn't mean I don't consider life valuable. I do. You know what else is under attack? The right to pursue happiness. One right does not overtake another. That is what you are trying to do.
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Mason Officially I agree in trying to restrain yourself and taking precautions, but it's human nature to want sex. A fetus is not a child, and doesn't care if you abort it up until a certain point
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Depends on where you're buying them.
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@sammyclause No it isnt. Not if you're buying it from a private seller. Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, record the sale, or ask for identification, whether at a gun show or other venue.
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@sammyclause gun shows are private sellers.
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@sammyclause Yes you can, if you find the right seller. Though I'm of the opinion they wouldn't sell you 20 guns, not because they can't, but because it would be highly suspicious.
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Because we aren't dishonest in saying that its killing children. Because it doesn't. A fetus is not a child and has less sentience than that Mcdonalds you had for lunch.
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@JolinHard Pot calling the kettle black with the ignorance.
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@isaacoliveira2yearsago981 An agnostic atheist is still an atheist. Most atheists are agnostic.
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The death penalty is not a deterrent. That has been continuously disproven.
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@societyslasthope8902 lol, never like my own comments. I don't care about likes. There used to be a way you could see who liked your comments. I'm not sure if you still can.
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You do know planned parenthood does more than just abortions right?
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@borood1188 No one wants to force anyone who has a medical exemption to get a vaccine. What pisses people off is the outright denial that vaccines are beneficial and the refusal of them on the grounds of the RISK of a bad reaction.
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@borood1188 I don't care what other people do. If people choose not to vaccinate, then don't. But they should be held legally and financially responsible if they hurt someone and should be denied acces to area where people like me, who cannot be vaccinated, can potentially get sick, like a public school. You clearly don't know how vaccines work.
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And there's no such thing.
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But it doesn't reduce the damage.
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@jamess7533 It doesn't save lives. It ends more.
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@jamess7533 Because "having less or no guns" only applies to those who follow the law. A criminal wouldn't care. I stand a much better chance if I have a gun as well. By the way, guns save so many lives. Way more than they take in homicides.
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@jamess7533 There is no country that is not a dictatorship where guns are illegal. But think about this. The states with the lowest firearm related homicides have the least restricted gun laws.
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Living isn't the issue. Sentience is.
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And I wouldn't have cared. Because I didn't have a brainstem to care.
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@scottp7256 But they are. They are capable of carrying these diseases that spread to people who cannot get immunized or they risk mutating and putting everyone at risk.
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@scottp7256 I didn't say they were. I said they could. Vaccination is not what is causing bacteria to become antibiotic resistant. It is this germaphobic mentality that all bacteria are bad and we need to use antibacterial everything. That is factually untrue. Most cases of measles and polio came from unvaccinated individuals. The polio-like mylitis that spiked in 2018 were nearly all children who were not up to date on their vaccines. People should get vaccines because it has been medically and scientifically proven that you are less likely to potentially life threatening diseases if you are vaccinated.
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The death penalty has never and will never be a deterrent for crime.
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Ivyvlogs However the heart doesn't develop completely until 12 weeks and the brainstem/nervous system until 14 weeks.
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So explain to me why you cannot do that with multiple people.
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So basically, only allow criminals access to guns. Thats nice.
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@randomperson529 When did I say being a fetus doesn't make us human? It does. So what? That still doesn't make it murder. By the way, that is not how abortions are performed. 96% are done via pill. Only late term abortions are done via surgery. And late term abortions are done nearly exclusively for medical reasons. That still wouldn't be murder. Yeah, some people do. But a fetus is not a baby. And those that want to have it will (hopefully) love and cherish it. My mother wanted to abort me, and people didn't let her. Now I'm permanently disabled. So given the choice? Would have preferred abortion.
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@randomperson529 And if they're never mature enough? Or don't want kids?
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@randomperson529 Not always available and fails
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@randomperson529 Well thank you. I appreciate that. Its a passion of mine. Its nice to meet people who can agree to disagree on things and remain civil.
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No one kills a baby. Might wanna take a biology class there.
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@broncobama8091 Yep. But a fetus is not a baby. Baby is post utero.
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@broncobama8091 You implied that it was by saying I needed common sense classes because I said no one kills a baby in an abortion.
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@broncobama8091 And? I find no inherent value in human life. And I believe that women and the dying should have equal rights. A fetus should not trump its mother. That being said, hopefully abortion can become more of a last resort
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@broncobama8091 Yes. Because let's pretend complications don't develop and women aren't raped. The fetus doesn't care. Why do you? I'm not denying that its their choice. Its also their right to abort
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Gabe The mother deserves the right to bodily autonomy. Yes, I have. In fact, both of my children are adopted. But ever wonder why there are currently 44,000 children a day waiting to be adopted? There aren't enough parents who want them. Less than 13% of those who want to adopt ever will. Fix the broken foster care system before you lecture me on adoption.
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@dislikebutton4486 A fetus doesn't have rights, because it isn't a person. Even if its human.
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@AJ-lm5dl Nope. Human is a species. Person is the act of having consciousness.
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I wouldn't call it a loophole but it does exist in most states. It's simply the lack of a background check on private sales, like the ones done at gunshows.
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@ethanm.2411 No you don't. You have confirmation bias and fallacious gymnastics to place God where you see fit.
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You don't have to be a liberal to see why abortion should not be outlawed. You understand that plenty of people are against abortion but are still pro-choice? Pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion.
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@MultiBunnyhunter Why bring up atheism? Just because I don't believe in God doesn't make me a leftist. Also, most of the good people I know are atheists. "Don't make up the best US citizens." How did you come to thay conclusion?
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No, polygamy is being married to multiple people. And to be fair, it shouldn't be illegal.
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I love and have been love and I would still choose my cats over a human stranger.
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Funny. I did a speech on why we should do away with the death penalty.
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If you aren't willing to empathize with both parties, then quite frankly, you are somewhat psychopathic. Being a victim does not give them an excuse to hurt people, but to hate those who do wrong does nothing for them or for yourself. No one deserves to be banned from happiness. That was one of the principles our country was founded on. Not all criminals can be helped, but most can. And to punish those who want and need help only degrade them further. If your only argument for capital punishment stems from emotions, you'll never win the argument.
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@sarahmontgomery6403 I didnt say you were. I said that's a psychopathic characteristic. The fact that they do bad things doesn't justify their actions, but to completely ignore the fact that they're victims too is wrong to me. They do deserve punishment. But they also deserve help. Capital punishment is such a useless system.
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That is a fallacy called agrumentum ad populum. Just because a majority believes in a God or higher power doesn't make it real.
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You have to prove it had to start somewhere and that your God is the correct God.
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That is such a flat out lie. While ultrasounds were not widely used in clincs until after Roe vs Wade, they were used well before, the first in the US being used in 1961. And ultrasounds were widely used only within a few years of Roe vs Wade, in the late 1970's. Also, you still have yet to overturn it, even with all technology we have in 2022. But you seem to be pro-life. So of course you'd be a manipulative liar.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I know there are many pro-life individuals who adopt. My point in the comment was there are also many who don't. There are many pro-life organizations that help up to the birth, then completely abandon you afterwards. But you act as if pro-choice people DON'T view things that way, and thats absoulte horseshit. Many pro-choice groups and pro-choice advocates also help and adopt. Happiness is never guaranteed and you are not entitled to anything. Get over it and live in reality.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You are not entitled to life. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be protected by law when sentient life occurs. My point is that those rights are not inherent. Everyone can only play the hand they are delt. Do I think every being deserves happiness? Yes. Thats why I'm pro-choice. One wants to demonize people and force people to feel guilty in their inability to raise a child effectively. The other wants people to mind their own damn business.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No, no one is entitled to anything. That's not evil. That's simply reality. You work and fight for what you want, including survival. That being said, you DESERVE to have your rights protected. Which includes both LIFE and LIBERTY. You are for one and against the other. That is not reasonable. No, because that isn't true and has never been studied. Those who are more emotional or prone to view changes as traumatic are more likely to suffer from depression. But other women, like myself, while saddened by the decision, ultimately made the correct choice. The purpose of what an abortion does doesn't matter. Guns, war, and capital punishment end the lives of human beings. People die. Its a fact of life. I fully support a woman making the decision of her choosing, and considering all other options beforehand. I do not believe in jumping straight to an abortion. I wasn't speaking to you. I was speaking generally. Pro-life want to see abortions outlawed. Want to see women jailed. Want children to grow up with unfit parents. If you don't like abortion, help solve the root of the problem.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Its not evil. Its honest. You're not entitled to anything in this world. Do you deserve it? Yes. But are you entitled to it? No. It has not been studied at any great length. You're just making things up now. Different people react to situations differently. What do you think would happen if you outlaw it? You would make it a crime. What would then happen to a person who had an abortion? They would be jailed. Is that really that complicated? You haven't been around then. Look at Alabama. A woman was charged with manslaughter because she got into a fight and the fight caused her to lose her child. That is what pro-life wants. An end to bodily autonomy. The right choice? How is guilting them into giving birth when they cannot care for a child the right choice? Its not fallacious. Its a fact. You just said you want abortion outlawed.
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Other than euthanasia, when is slaughtering an animal ever humane?
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@Quanic2000 More like never
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Because humans, unlike predatory animals, don't need meat to survive amd be healthy. Also, humans being animals is a fact. Not a belief.
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Not always. Only those with FFLs require mandatory background checks. On a federal level.
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You do realize you pay more in taxes to put someone to death, correct? A psychopath or a sociopath is incapable of feeling remorse. So what will death do? Nothing.
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But you don't have to be.
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@clarissarigor386 Well no. Not really. But I'm a vegan. Most vegans I know eat meat because of the nutritional intake. Its easier then complimenting.
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@babybegula1228 They eat vegan meat. Which are mixtures of plant based ingredients that mimic meat
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@clarissarigor386 You do realize I was referring to the vegan meat you brought up, right?
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Call Sign Crossroads Well, then you're an idiot. She's both. Most atheists are agnostic.
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No, there aren't.
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They don't always. That depends on where and who you're buying from. All of my guns have been purchased at shows, and I have never had a background check. Private vendors can and do sell at shows and most states put no restrictions on private sales.
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Thats your opinion.
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Doesn't fail nearly as much as people think it does. No, she should not take matters into her hands.
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@unpopulartea1220 Absolutely not true. Those who blame the justice system are the first ones who cry to ua when they need help. Can and has this system fail? Absolutely. But it does not fail as often as you think it does.
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@unpopulartea1220 I admitted it does fail. It also fails innocent people as well. However, my point is it doesn't happen as much as people portray it does. I work in this profession for a living. I know it has flaws.
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Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. Its a knowledge stance on the existence of a deity. Something both you and Jeremy should understand is these terms are not mutually exclusive. You can be both.
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Took me about 45 minutes to get my first firearm. There was no steps other than showing a state issued license. My state is one of the majority that puts no restrictions on private sales.
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No, actually. You have a much higher survival chance of being shot than stabbed. Stabbings result in greater injury to blood vessels. Gunshots are very contained.
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@Humanity Galatica Its not. I don't care about your dishonest opinion. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you don't like it.
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IssyFishyy Oh. So its morally wrong to want to be happy with someone else after being in an abusive relationship? You are an actual disgusting person. Whoever indoctrinated you into this should be locked up for abuse.
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IssyFishyy So in other words "stay in a relationship by any means necessary even if the spouse is abusive and toxic".
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Animals eat meat out of necessity. Humans do not. I am vegan because it is healthier for me and overall better for thr environment. But thats just me.
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Except that doesn't work. And I'm sick of my tax dollars going to fund your revenge.
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Souls have never been proven to exist, so thats a really piss poor reason.
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@florencehaokip5094 I do respect your views. But I must call you out on a bad reason to defend yourself.
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IssyFishyy I'm sure everything would be perfect if we lived like Saudia Arabia.
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So I should get the death penalty because I don't believe we should have one? Thats irrational.
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@DRIVEN2WIN Thats why life in prison is a thing. We don't need a death penalty. We need a reformed prison systen
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@DRIVEN2WIN Because it costs less than execution.
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Objectively not true. We can prove it through brain scans. Some people simply fall in love with multiple people. I find both of my partners fulfilling and feel more fulfilled together than I do with them individually.
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@crystalchandelier22 If that's really how you see polyamory, I can't help you. I love both my partners to the same degree, and get more fufillment out of the three of us together than I do with them individually.
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All sentient life.
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@jpdavid4501 In an ethical vegans eyes, its because they cannot feel.
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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@livebrain If you really think that everyone who suffers is responsible for it themselves, you're fucked up.
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Perhaps because you don't see the rest of the puzzle pieces? Like the population, culture, and that most of those "gun crimes" are suicides.
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Vegetarian's abstain from the flesh of animals. Vegans abstain from all animal products including meat, dairy, eggs, honey and clothing such as wool, leather and silk.
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And that is why conceal carry is a thing.
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Autism is something you are born with and most areas of the spectrum are not debilitating. No one has died directly from a vaccine in almost 30 years. The worst things that have ever been linked to vaccines is a risk of developing one off seizures, a higher risk of developing certain auto-immune conditions, and a possible allergic reaction. Vaccines are not toxic. Containing potentially toxic chemicals doesn't make something toxic.
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That's not how science works my friend. Also, no. The man wanting an abortion doesn't free him from the obligation to support the child. Don't wanna pay child support? Don't leave the woman you slept with. Life isn't fair. Its not a man's right to tell a woman what to do with her body. She has the right to bodily autonomy just as he does.
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You don't have to go through an FFL. You could just find a private seller.
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@UC09LHwVJGOmYixy9Pyt4xXw Yes. Please by all means pay for me to see a OBGYN to get birth control, since it is only available via prescription where I live. While your at it, cure my diseases that prevent me from taking it. 100% agree. If you sleep around, you increase your risk of pregnancy. Also agree. However, birth control isn't an option available to everyone. Yes, you take the risk of getting pregnant. That doesn't then prevent you from having access to a medical procedure to remove the pregnancy. No, I don't. I'm asexual with no desire to have sex. That being said, I believe in bodily autonomy. So I stand up for those rights
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We exist. Althogh, not the old part.
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The Real World That's because people like you are incapable of seeing you can sympathize with both.
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Yes you can, if the proveyer you are buying it from is a private party. At least in 35 states. My first handgun was purchased at a bar parking lot without any background check or bill of sale.
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Took me 45 minutes to purchase a handgun.
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Ummm no? Where in the US do you live that people just give out thousands of dollars in money?
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No it wasn't. The founders were not Christians. They were deists.
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@nabeelyounis7949 You say that as of it's a good thing. Go on and be indoctrinated and believe what you believe. That doesn't stop the fact that the Catholic Church is responsible for millions of deaths across time.
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@nabeelyounis7949 Keep up with that. They've been confirmed by hundreds of legitimate sources. Funny thing is I was a Catholic for the majority of my life. Only been an atheist for a few years. Don't believe in miracles. Also, many people also deconvert from Catholicism.
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@nabeelyounis7949 Some certainly are myths, but not all. The fact that you blindly trust a church known for covering up horrible crimes, like pedophilia, is frankly disturbing to me. There's bigotry and hatred against all groups, but a lot of that bigotry and hatred comes from the bigotry and hatred the Church projects. Please don't. I'm much happier as an atheist. I don't believe in miracles. I simply don't believe in God because there is 0 evidence for one, let alone which one is real.
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Not for private sales.
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@BarnicleBill Private sales occur all the time at gun shows. I've never had a background check at a show because of this. Not saying its a loophole.
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No, its a baby after birth. And it has a heartbwat BECAUSE of its mother. That heartbeat DOES NOT EXIST if the mother's brain stops working.
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@victorscasas1193 Not having sex if you desire it. Its one of the things that make people perform violent sexual acts.
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Lizzie Allen In cases. But it has also been proven that those who ignore their needs are prone to sexual acts. Thats why rape and molestation are rampant in say, the Catholic church. Because you force someone to be celibate.
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Most vegans do.
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Plants are not in pain because they have no nervous system or brain to feel pain.
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Oh they do. You can easily find them on social media.
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Exactly how is it selfish when its a relationship you and your partner want? Do you ever maybe think that its unfair for someone to be unhappy in a relationship?
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@justjesse4788 So why judge them for being in a relationship that makes them happy?
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@sexyroach Because they're not. Have their been people harmed by vaccines? Yes. Thats why vaccine court exists. Do people often corralate vaccines with an illness when they have nothing to do with each other? Yes. People should be punished for actively causing harm to others if it happens.
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@sexyroach You can. Go to vaccine court. Its what they're there for. Or, sue the manufacturer directly. Though you will probably lose. Testimonies are unreliable. And no one has died from a vaccine in the US since 1990 that could be medically proven to be directly caused by a vaccine. That was 30 years ago. When you're personal freedom harms someone, yes. You should be punished. Your decisions should not be mandated. But they have consequences. I have the freedom to be able to drive wherever I want. I should be punished if I hit someone.
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@freewyvern707 Yes, actually you can. You just have to go through a vaccine court first, and they will most likely throw out your case. Most people don't because you have to jump through so many hoops.
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@freewyvern707 You can. You just must do certain things before that option is made available to you. You cannot sue in a civil suit, but you can in a federal suit.
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@SKZ10909 A scientific theory is the highest ranking you can get. You do not prove things in science. You prove things in math. Gravity is a theory. Your beliefs do not change facts.
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The death penalty is not a deterrent. It doesn't matter what you think. That is a fact, not an opinion.
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M No where in the definition of hypocrisy does it specify a timeframe. She is now actively in opposition to an action she participated in. That makes her a hypocrite. You don't have to be currently performing an action you disagree with to be a hypocrite.
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Lizzie Allen It doesn't matter. The fact is she opposes something she actively participated in. That makes her a hypocrite. It doesn't matter if your opinions change over time. It doesn't stop you from being hypocritical.
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M It is hypocrisy, because she actively participated in an action that she preaches other should not participate in. Changing your mind is fine. That doesn't mean its not hypocritical. Being a hypocrite isn't an inherent negative thing. We all are hypocrites in something. That is not what the defintion of hypocrisy is. Just like murder, you try to change the definition to suit a narrative.
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Lizzie Allen It doesn't matter what she said. She doesn't feel like other people should have access to a procedure she was fine with getting. That is hypocritical.
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Lizzie Allen Nope. She actively participated is something she now opposes. That makes her a hypocrite.
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Shootings will happen even if you ban guns. Criminals do not care about the law.
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Nope. He falsified vaccine information so much that he got his medical license revoked.
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Well, you can be objectively wrong. Because its not. No, any smart person knows life begins at conception. Its just not the life that we place value on.
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Because they do?
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The definition of murder changes that, moron. Also, not only did you flunk English, you seemed to have flunked biology. A fetus is not a baby.
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Its literally just a word.
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The moral argument for that would be those fish have a nutritional need to eat other fish and do not have a moral compass like humans do.
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That's not what the Bible says.
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@monicariccio9132 That is what the Bible says actually. Especially concerning the topic of getting re-married, which is adultery according to the Bible. Yeah, God loves everyone so much he orders their slaughter.
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@waifu_png_pl6854 No, atheists lack a belief in a God. Everyone is or should be agnostic.
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Because the body naturally wants sex. Some people make mistakes. Thats why abortion and adoption are available.
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You...do realize that anyone who is honest is agnostic...right? Unless you are referring to philosophical agnosticism?
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Apu Apustaja The use of your uterus is your right. It is not your fault that the fetus cannot live outside of you. And I'm sorry, but whether or not you're terminating the pregnancy because its inconvenient is, frankly, irrelevant.
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Apu Apustaja Being .1% different is hardly unique. And all rights are equal. Even if I granted rights to the fetus (which is legally doesn't even have), those rights do not come at the expense of someone else.
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Apu Apustaja No, it doesn't. It does not biologically depend on another human after birth. Sure, you could make the argument that its statistically likely to die if you left it in the wild, but that literally doesn't matter. After birth, your rights are no longer being interferred with.
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Thats just because it isn't a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows.
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What you believe doesn't matter. Human beings are animals. Thats a fact.
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You can't cheat with consent. Sounds like someone is jealous.
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@libraghost9941 Your family doesn't have to show it for it to be present in children. Mutated and recessive genes exist. Your brother always had autism and ADHD. He became symptomatic around the age many children do. Thats entirely genetic. Has nothing to do with vaccines.
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Eating healthy and lowering stress can help keep your immune system healthy. But it will not "boost" it (that isn't even a thing) and it will not necessarily protect you from these conditions.
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@JoelWalker56 No, she was drawing a comparison on the fact that you can love multiple people as you loved multiple family members. You simply misinterpreted her.
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I think they're referring to background checks on private sales, which there is none in most states.
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Thats just scientifically not true. Unless of course you continue to domesticate animals and destroy habitat for livestock and housing development.
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Most victims I've spoken to, myself included, feel that way too.
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@LS-tk7hp That's you opinion. There are plenty of victims out there that feel that of a convict can change and learn to help instead of harm, then their loved ones death has a positive impact.
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He can. Be signing away parental rights.
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They do have rights you do. What you are trying to do is place their rights above the rights of the mother. Thats not the way it works.
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Lions have a nutritional need for meat. You do not.
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@mariammohammad3061 You can certainly be healthy eating meat. That doesn't mean you need it. You don't. You just want it. And for me personally, there's nothing wrong with that.
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They've done it. Twice.
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The problem is he was wrong. She is an atheist. The problem was he tried to replace atheist with agnostic. She is both.
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@moxxy1813 Agnosticism is the KNOWLEDGE that a higher power is unknown. Atheism is a lack of BELIEF in a God or Gods. In all reality, everyone should be agnostic. Its a redundant term.
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@moxxy1813 Do you believe in a God? If yes, you're an agnostic theist. If no, you're an agnostic atheist.
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@JoeZelensky You absolutely can be both. Believing in ghosts has nothing to do with atheism. Atheism only refers to a lack of a belief in God, something she clearly has. I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't KNOW whether or not a God is real, but I don't BELIEVE in one.
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@JoeZelensky No, if you believe in God without claiming as fact that a God exists, you are an agnostic theist. If you claim to know for certain God is real, you are a gnostic theist. Agnosticism/Gnosticism refers to knowledge. Atheism/Theism refers to belief.
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@JoeZelensky You don't know that. Thats a baseless assertion. While I don't believe in ghosts, I know atheists who do. I would educate yourself. Show me where in the definition of atheism you can't believe in ghosts.
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@JoeZelensky You are not claiming a God exists. Belief does not equate to knowledge. If you believe in something, fine. Its claiming to know a God exists. You are seriously misinformed so let me spell it out for you. "I know God exists"- Gnostic Theist "I don't know if a God exists, but I believe in one"- Agnostic Theist "There is no God"- Gnostic Atheist (Anti-Theist) "I don't know if a God exists, but I don't believe in one"- Agnostic Atheist.
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@JoeZelensky Again, having a supernatural world or spirits do not require a God. Buddhism is religion that believes in an afterlife and spirits, but do not believe in any type of supreme God. I would educate yourself.
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That isnt true. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a gun show from a private seller and I've never had a background check because there is no mandatory check on private sales in most states. You getting a background check at a show depends on who you're buying it from and what state you're in.
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The problem with your so called facts is that not all of them all. For example, there is currently NO vaccine that uses mercury. Mercury stopped being used in vaccines in 1996. Thiomersal, which is a ethylmercury compound, is used as an adjuvant in certain flu vaccines. Thiomersal, and etylmercury, has been continuously proven to not be harmful. Methylmercury, however, is. Second problem is that we have already proven that autism is a spectral genetic disorder. You either have it at birth or you don't. It develops more as you age, and usually begins to show symptoms typically around the time most children are vaccinated. Vaccinations can have side effects, just as any medication.
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@TheSpermalan You're right on some of them. But there are other reasons behind that. For example, the rise in autism has to do with the research we have now. Autism is a spectrum and we can now diagnose it better.
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He's really not. He tempered his language because he was on probation for his medical license.
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Its just not a loophole. It refers to private sales of firearms at shows.
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Do you know how often pregnancies occur even WITH protection? The only ones not being mature are those that think they can dictate others choices.
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No they don't. You cannot feel pain without nerves or a brainstem.
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@Demetria Dark Thats not pain however.
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So, playing devil's advocate, my response would be Veganism is about destroying as little sentient life as possible. I don't need to eat meat or dairy to be healthy, and I'd rather not contribute to an industry that I find hypocritical.
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So...what happens when those precautions fail?
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There aren't even two sexes. Even sex isn't binary.
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@kingorange7739 Question. Are you against abortion in rape and medical cases as well? And are you against euthanasia?
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Salsa Bila The difference is slavery violated the rights of another sentient individual. Abortion does not. I don't argue from morality. I don't view abortion as a moral issue. I view it as a legal one. And when attributing a word to something, yes. The definition matters.
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Salsa Bila And 92% of abortions take place before the end of the first trimester, which is 12 weeks. Late term abortions are nearly always done for medical reasons.
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I disagree. Most vegans aren't even like this.
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Most of the time, women who get an abortion get one because the father isn't in the picture and doesn't want it. Your scenario is rare. It is her body. What you are advocating for is to revoke a woman's necessary consent.
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Glad to know you don't support bodily autonomy and think rape victims should be forced to give birth. Not to mention that mothers should die for the chance to give birth. Stand up people you are.
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@Stella-wm8zf Glad to know you're a willfully ignorant liar who neither knows what murder is and who still uses the tired argument of a fetus being a human being, which implies sentience and consciousness. We currently don't take care of the children already born, and you just want to keep adding to it. Ridiculous.
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Until a close friend or relative ends up terminally ill or gets pregnant. Then suddenly you make exceptions.
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The gun show loophole does exist. It just simply isn't a loophole and is a red herring. All its referring to is legal, private sales at gunshows. There is no state that will arrest you for asking to purchase a gun without a background check. They will arrest you if you try to leave without it. But many states don't require a background check (even at shows) if you are not buying from a dealer. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a show. Never did I have a background check. But my guns were purchased privately in a state that puts no restrictions on private sales. The issue is that so many people think all shows are private sellers when that isn't the case.
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Then you're an agnostic atheist, which is what the old man was wrong about.
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@michael567jober No. Agnostic is not a stand alone thing. Its a claim of knowledge. Everyone who is honest is agnostic. He wasn't wrong about her being agnostic. He was wrong about her not being an atheist.
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There is no gunshow loophole because the law they're talking about is not a loophole nor restricted to shows. You do not have to do a background check in most states unless you are buying from a firearms dealer. Someone who holds an FFL. That is the federal law. Everything else is a state by state basis. I have never had a background check on any firearm I purchased. But my guns were purchased from a private seller.
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@drhaxknows6021 That isn't true for most states though
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@Humanity Galatica In your subjective opinion.
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Chopping down a tree is not needed to get apples or bananas, but the difference is a cow is sentient. A tree is not.
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@PockASqueeno Because sentience is the ability to think and feel. Do you cry every time you mow your lawn? Your grass is living. We don't describe something as valuable because its alive. We have laws protecting certain animals because they can feel the way we can.
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Factory farms are one of the largest causes for things like climate change. The reason its so rampant it because of high meat consumption. Most crop does not go to humans. It goes to livestock feed.
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@ghfferzd9242 Except statistics do agree with me. If that were true, states with the death penalty would have lower homicide rates, which isn't true.
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@cornbeefcommie7519 No. I have common sense.
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Because anti-vaxx people are literally the cause of suffering, and they maliciously put other people's lives at risk because they choose to be ignorant.
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Very sad that you want to see sentient children abused and neglected and that you think death is the worst possible thing.
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@ethanm.2411 The only one who sees that as an issue is you. That cheeseburger is also the concious act of killing. So is war and capital punishment. No, its not. And no, you're not. Private adoption, abortion, state adoption and motherhood are all options.
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@ethanm.2411 Well, you and everyone else who is against abortion. Yes I'm serious. If the act of killing is so bad, you should apply that logic to all sentient life. Not just humans. Sure, but almost everyone would if it meant trying to "do the right thing". One of those necessary evils. And? There are other options other than putting people to death. Again, if consciously killing a sentient being (especially a human) is so wrong, it should be wrong in all circumstances. Because you advocate for abortion to be illegal, which would FORCE an unfit mother to either try and raise a child, or give it to a state. Both of these options have dramatically high probabilities of subjecting the child to abuse and neglect. I happen to believe that is worse than death.
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Can you people not be dishonest for like...10 minutes? Those are not how the majority of abortions are performed and you know that. Surgical abortions are done only during late stages or because of medical complications.
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They're homicide rate has nearly tripled
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Though it would look shady as hell, I'm sure you can find someone who would.
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There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted. Only 3% of American adults will complete the adoption process. I would watch who I call a dumbass, especially since people can and have gotten pregnant while taking contraception.
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So is everyone whose ever advocated for pro-life when the child died at the hands of abuse or neglect. Difference between us is the fetus didn't feel it when the live child did.
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Not if the vendor is a private seller.
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Hope you're vegan then, since that McDonald's you had for lunch was far more sentient than that aborted fetus.
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How the hell do people not know that private sales are a thing that can happen at shows and DO NOT require background checks in most states?
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Except its not. How is it selfish to want to be happy with other people that feel the same? Also, imagine not understanding that polyamorous asexual people exist. You people literally make polyamory sound like we just get to bring in all the partners we want. And that's just not true. EVERYONE has to agree. Cheating literally involves going behind a partners back. And you absolutely can love multiple people at once, something we can clearly see on brain scans. You're just a bigot.
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@ChilesSupportTV Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Her nutrients and fluids are being used for that fetus to form. It is using her to develop. No, the truth is that you cannot admit that abortion is taking responsibility just as much as motherhood and adoption. You just can't fathom or understand why sometimes ending life is a responsible choice. Probably because you've never been in that position. The law protects women because it is a right. I don't have a right to your organs just because I need them to live and you don't. A fetus' rights do not supersede the mother. They are equal, and as such, stop at the uterine wall.
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@ChilesSupportTV Does it matter how old I am? You missed the point. If a pregnant woman does not consent to a fetus using her uterus and parasitizing her (i.e. pregnancy) she has a right to abort it. Being a whore doesn't factor into it. Treat the underlying problems as to why women get abortions and maybe one day we can end them.
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While we can eat meat scientifically, we are certainly not at the top of the food chain scientifically.
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Most vegans don't eat eggs, not because of the eggs themselves, but because of the conditions of the chickens that produce them are. And nothing sentient is harmed in abortion, unless its a late term abortion.
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Probably because then someone would have mentioned private sales at shows, which is what the supposed "gunshow loophole" refers to.
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@Inhale422 That is not true. No where in the federal law does it demand that a vendor at a show must hold an FFL. That is strictly a state law and a venue thing. Quite often, people who sell at gun shows are NOT FFL dealers and do not provide background checks. This is how all of my guns were purchased. I'm not sure where you pulled that you must have an FFL to sell at a show.
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Yes they are. Take a science class.
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I would be rude too if I was disrespected the way she was. You do not deserve respect. Respect is earned, and most of them showed her none.
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Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It is a knowledge claim based on the existence of a God. No where did I hear him say that a God could not exist. He simply does not believe one does. That makes him both. Atheist and agnostic are not exclusive terms. You can be both.
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Raa16 That is the standard. That is literally the definition. Agnosticism applies to knowledge. Theism applies to belief. Knowledge and belief use two different parts of the brain. So no. You can believe in something without knowing of its existence. They aren't exclusive. I don't know whether or not a God exists. That makes me agnostic. I don't believe in God. That makes me an atheist.
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Raa16 "Agnosticism is the view that the existence of God, of the divine or the supernatural is unknown or unknowable." That is the colloquial definition of agnosticism. You are confusing colloquialism with philosophy. I never said they weren't related. They are. Just not in the same way. Yes. As if the Bible is a wonderful basis for human rights. With all the rape apologetics, slavery and genocide. I didn't make up those standards. Those are the standards. If you don't know whether a God exists, or BELIEVE you will never know, you are agnostic. If you believe in a God, you're a theist. If you don't believe, you're an atheist. Explain to me why you think these two terms are exclusive. Because it sounds to me like you either are confused, or your one of those people who think an atheist straight up claims there is no God.
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Raa16 A colloquial definition is an actual definition. It's the way we use language. If you asked what I was philosophically, then I would answer agnostic. You can't hold neither a belief nor a disbelief. That is a rational paradox. If you don't know the answer, then your default is disbelief. Atheism holds no position in morality. Its neutral. My morality doesn't come from my atheism. Oh how? How about if a woman is raped, she's either put to death or forced to marry her rapist? How about that Biblically, spousal rape does not exist? There's nothing nuanced about it. I have no idea what you're on about. Where have I ever said people shouldn't have kids? If they want them, have them. Atheism is literally a lack a belief in a God. Nothing more. The Bible is bad, if taken literally. Most do not, so I don't think it's inherently bad. What did atheism do to hurt you?
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IssyFishyy Yes it does. If a woman who is engaged is raped, unless someone hears and helps her, even if she screams, she is to be put to death. And really? Are you actually justifing the death of a rape victim because he screams weren't heard? He doesn't have to "become good". All he has to do is pay her father 50 pieces of silver. The woman doesn't get a choice of forgiveness. She has lost her virture. She is property.
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IssyFishyy Oh please. No it doesn't. You aren't even reading your own scripture. It literally says only if a man finds his betrothed being raped after she cried out that she is spared. And again, no she doesn't. Why don't YOU read the gospel? Here. I'll do it for you. "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." Where does it say she has to forgive him?
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You don't get a bonus just because a child is fully up to date on vaccines.
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@macscott2458 I agree. However, I don't think life should be the issue.
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@Lauren_3000 I'm basing that it isn't murder based on the definition of murder, which a) requires the person to be recongized by law as a person and b) requires said death to be unlawful. Abortion does not meet either of these criteria in the United States, and is therefore not murder pertaining to the United States. If you're asking me if I think it's moral for slow codes and DNR's to exist, then yes. Absolutely. I do not think being alive equates to living.
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@sumeersamarat706 Umm no. Because murder is a legal term. Nothing biological about it.
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Vegans or extremists?
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Nothing defines God as a God hasn't been proven.
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@lv4628 Since God is a positive claim people assert, yes he does need to be proven. You know what a scientific theory is right? Everything in science is a theory. The Theory of Relativity. The Theory of Gravity. The Theory of Evolution. These are facts of science as we currently know them. Science cannot be proven. Science can only be observed and tested. Math is proven.
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@lv4628 Yes, we agree. Because you cannot prove things in science. You prove things in math. Hate to be that person but facts don't care about your feelings. If you make a positive claim "i.e. There is a God" then you need to present evidence to its existence. Many things in the Bible are wrong. You haven't proven creation either. Testamonies mean nothing. Miracles don't exist. And science may one day prove a God, but has yet to do so. Your assertion is baseless.
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@lv4628 Except that is a positive claim that must be proven through evidence, of which there is mone The Bible is a holy book full of inconsistencies, contradictions and straight up lies. Creation is a concept you have never proven, nor have you proven miracles. If thats the case, then in my opinion, it is silly to believe in God. If he's really as powerful as you claim, he could easily provide evidence. He chooses not to or simply doesn't exist. I choose to believe the latter.
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@lv4628 Yes it is. Even within each of those "covenants" its contradictory. Many though will try to use mental gymnastics and apologetics to try to explain these away. If God can't be bothered to show evidence of his existence, then I can't, and won't, be bothered to believe in him. I don't think a God exists. I think its silly to believe in him because there is no evidence for him.
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@lv4628 And just because you see things around you doesn't make it "evidence" of a supernatural phenomenon. I point out again that belief is a baseless assertion without facts to back it up.
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@lv4628 You're using the term "creation" which is already a false narrative. You have not proven the universe was created. No atheist I know thinks the universe came from nothing. I'm fine with admitting I don't know how the universe started, if it had a beginning at all. To insert God into things you can't explain is a fallacy called The God of the Gaps.
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You'll say that until you need one
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@douglas carpenter Its "different body" is growing because it is attached to the mother an essentially parasitising her. Also no, thats not how genetics works. You are 99% similar genetically to your parents. Yes, you're different. I'll argue that and still be pro-choice. If they're so sought out, why is our system full of young children who have been there since newborn? Better question. Why can't you adopt an older child if you want one so badly? Also no, most children in foster care are there because they are victims of bad parents or guardians. You don't go into foster care if your a bad kid. You go into a dentention facility.
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Why is that?
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@babetteroman6607 Nope. I don't see why you find the comments disgusting. Which is why I asked
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@babetteroman6607 What disturbed people? Perhaps I don't see what you see. That is why I asked. It seems to be you're just being cowardly and trying to start a fight. That just seems immature.
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@babetteroman6607 I was never trying to start a fight. I legitimately wanted another perspective. I wanted to know exactly what comments you found disturbing. Perhaps our opinions are different or I just haven't seen them. I have never seen a comment about people making jokes about children dying (though I'm sure they exist), but that is the reality we live in. I would have a problem with that, which is why I asked. For a "grown ass woman" you are very cowardly and immature.
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@missyjes7671 I don't personally know any vegan like that. We just call out the hypocrisy, considering humans are animals. Then again, as a vegan, I don't care what anyone eats.
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Humans are animals. Thats a fact, not a belief. The difference between us and other animals is a) we have a sense of morality and higher cognitive function and b) we, in general, have no nutritional need for meat.
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Because it is a difficult task. Repressing natural urges is unhealthy. Luckily, most people find outlets to cope with that. It's not murder. Murder by definition is unlawful. The fetus is also not developed yes at the time of most abortions. That's just a fact. Quit being a conspiracy theorist.
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Kristiana Marie That heart beat is being completely controlled by the mother. The fetuses heart cannot beat on its own, seperate from the mother until the brainstem develops. There are women out there, like myself, who cannot take contraception. That's fine that you feel that having an abortion was someone killing your child. That was your decision to make. You do not get a right to make that decision for others. No it's not it's own. It's connected to you and depends on you for survival. It does not separate DNA. Half of its DNA is yours. I'm sorry you regret your decision, but most women want to keep their child. But they also understand that they are unfit to raise them. Double homicide in the case of an unborn fetus is only used if the pregnancy is 5 months or more along. And I agree. By 12 weeks, the brainstem has begun to develop, and after that, the fetus has sentience.
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@blakepatrick9513 I can understand that
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Thats not actually true. In fact, the oldest currently living person is a vegetarian. That doesn't mean meat is inherently bad. But many Olympic athletes are vegan and do just fine.
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Sammie No, an atheist holds no belief. They lack a belief in a God. Most atheists are agnostic. Agnosticism is not a stand alone claim.
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Nope. Not at all.
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That doesn't mean it was a good decision.
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@cherylhyman2086 As a failed abortion, I wish my mother had been successful. My life has been hell, and I am now permanently disabled because of the horrible things done to me by the state. There is no hope for me to get better. You should never have the right to make that decision for someone else. People like you set me up to fail in life.
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Not according to the Bible. The woman is a man's property, and only gets to divorce him if he is unfaithful or does not provide for her as a husband. She does not get to divorce him just because he beats her. In fact, the Bible tells you how to abuse your wife so she remains obedient. So if the Bible is God's law, then she absoultely broke it.
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No, that wasn't what she was saying. She was saying only you and those who you affect can determine your value. Many people die before they have a chance to "contribute to society". That doesn't mean they weren't valuable.
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@tupperkenna Only if those specific people deem it valuable. That isn't inherent. That's not something your born with. That is what she was saying. Someone could contribute nothing really to the world and still be valuable, while someone else could massively change the world and not be. It depends solely on individuals.
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@tupperkenna No it doesn't. You implied that she was saying your value depends on what you do in your life. That isn't what she said.
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MoonCrow That is NOT what she said. They absolutely did put words in her mouth. And its not ridiculous to say life does not have inherent value. Thats the truth.
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@mooncrow9325 Prove that life has inherent value. Value is a psychological concept. You're not special just because your born. Get over it.
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MoonCrow The burden of proof is on you, not on me. Value does not exist without a brain to give context. Life isn't rare, nor precious. Yeah. I have twins. Doesn't mean they're valuable just because they exist. I place value on them because of the way they make me feel. They place value on themselves because of what they do. That is not inherent. That is something that may or may not exist, develops over time, and changes. I am not only probably older, but probably more educated than you. So I would appreciate if you stopped being condescending.
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@mooncrow9325 I never made a claim. You did. You claimed life had inherent value. Thats on you. And its quite hilarious how you talk about proof when, I assume, you are a theist. Its not being intellectually dishonest to claim "I don't know" or "I don't believe". Sure we are. But all brains work differently. You may find something valuable that I do not. Value only exists when one gives it such. I simply rebutted your argument. Life isn't rare. Thats juat a fact. Every organic organism is life. As far as life being precious, thats a subjective opinion. Anyone who uses the word "cringey" in a civil debate is not equipped to handle a debate. You and I simply have differing opinions on what value is.
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@mooncrow9325 No, I pointed out a statement based on your language. I wasn't rude or condescending to you, so you come off as very immature when you start name calling. You have no argument, so I can't really "get one". There's nothing for me to rebutt.
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MoonCrow Because it is. If you want to claim that life has inherent value, you need to provide evidence of that. Inherent means essential. You're still a human being whether or not people consider you valuable. You are also making a claim you haven't proven. I have more than once stated why I believe life isn't inherently valuable. Its your turn. Our opiniona being different does not make you right. Your opinion is not a fact. You are now changing the definition of a word to suit a narrative, like theists commonly do. By the way, plants don't use oxygen. They produxe oxygen. They use carbon dioxide, which is necessary for their function. But it holds no value. Again, a subjective opinion is not wrong. Just simply different. You would have to use facts to prove an opinion wrong, and when it comes to philosophy, you cannot do that. The fact that you can't have a debate with me without being condescending proves how weak your beliefs are. My children don't have inherent value and neither do you. You're just born to die.
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@mooncrow9325 Thats not an ignorant assumption. Your use of that word because you think its insulting is truly what is juvenile. And I fail to see how not only is my opinion on value revolting but hypocritical. Please inform me.
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MoonCrow No, I don't know any. Because if you are educated and rational, you do not need to use insults. That only reflects poorly on you. Except its not. And you continuing to hurl insults without justification shows that. No you didn't. You simply claimed these things because you disagree with me. You attacked me as a person for views I hold simply because they are not in line with yours. It only makes you look bad.
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@mooncrow3758 I have no issue being insulted. Its a common occurance. You can believe its accurate should you choose, but the only one this reflects negatively on is you. Read the whole comment, and you'll get answers to your questions. None of my opinions are hypocritical, and you claim they're revolting for no reason other than "I don't agree". I can't see something that is not there. Sorry, but I simply do not believe life is inherently valuable. And I have yet to be shown evidence that it is.
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@mooncrow9325 I dropped the debate because I don't get a debate from you. I wouldn't mind continuing if you want to. If you feel the need to insult people, the only childish one is you. When you can act mature, then we can continue. But if you make no valid points, or simply keep repeating yourself, there's no where else I can go. Never did I declare that opinion as a fact. I said from the very beginning that life isn't inherently valuable by definition of "inherent", but that ultimately that was my subjective opinion. Again, thats not what a hypocrite is.
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No, its because animals are sentient and its hypocritical to place them in a hierarchy. If I killed and ate a dog, I'd be looking at 15 years in prison. Why should a cow be any different? That's the moral side of it from what I gather.
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@John_F_Ketamine Because its not based on intelligence. Its based on the capability to think and feel, something plants cannot do.
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@kingorange7739 Actually, yes it is. It would not be hypocrisy if she was only stating that she regretted her decision and why she thinks people should take other routes. But she's not. She is saying you should not have the right to an abortion, which she had the right to. That is hypocrisy. And no. It isn't common. Because most people do not regret their abortion. Having an abortion isn't wrong if you go through to time to make a logical decision.
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@kingorange7739 Sure, they can. But that would still be hypocrisy. The thing to note is that hypocrisy is not an inherently bad thing. Its to continue being a hypocrite when you're called out that's negative. Also, no. It isn't wrong. Not objectively anyways. And it does nothing to a child. It terminates the development of a non-sentient fetus. I place sentience over the simple fact that its alive and human.
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Not all vegans are like that.
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Many women want to have their tubes tied, but try finding a doctor that will do it before you're in your mid 30's. I'm sorry you've experienced this, but that is her right.
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@zil5296 That depends entirely on the jurisdiction, how far along she is, and circumstances. Why not place more value on brain activity?
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@zil5296 You are speaking about late term abortions, which the majority are done for medical purposes. I believe there should be a cutoff for those without medical reason. That doesn't change the fact that a vast majority of abortions are performed non-surgically and before the first trimester. Precautions don't guarantee not getting pregnant apart from abstinence.
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@JESUSLOVESYOU219 And what situation would that be? It doesn't matter that its "another" body. Its using someone else without consent. Because people have a natural instinct? Just because there's nothing wrong with choosing to have an abortion doesn't mean people want to make that decision. People don't want to have abortions. They just don't feel like there is another alternative. We are just a bundle of cells. And we're living because someone else made a choice for us.
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Sure. Let's pretend that's real. I'm assuming your referring to abortion? Abortion has nothing to do with capital punishment. And sure. Lets pretend that people sent to maximum security prisons escape. Oh wait. That doesn't happen.
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@lol-kn6bn As if abortion isn't taking responsibility. The fact that you are fine with allowing children to suffer just for the POTENTIAL to have some kind of happiness is sickening. You are supporting child abuse. You're basically saying life is worth suffering. You only speak from your experience. My mother sold me to men for drug money and threw me down two flights of stairs, breaking my spine and fracturing my skull. I can never live a normal adult life because of that. I wish I had been aborted.
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2647 LTG.TG If you saw the state of some children who were forced to be born, perhaps you would understand.
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2647 LTG.TG I know how many fetuses are killed. But they don't care, so why should I? Treat the root causes of why abortions happen if you want to end it.
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2647 LTG.TG They don't care because they can't care. You can't care if you aren't sentient. Yeah, if there's no quality of life. I have a DNR. No, most abortions happen because a woman cannot care for the child, either physically, financially emotionally or a combination.
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And yet, you can't live without us. Eventually you'll need help. My job is to try to help you get better with as little intervention as possible. Giving you a prescription is not my attempt to hurt you. Vaccines are safe and have saved millions of lives.
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Did you go and ask everyone what their position on abortion was? I doubt it. I've never seen a pro-life person adopt or foster a child. Therefore they must not exist.
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Plants cannot feel. They have no brain nor nervous system.
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@moonman5319 You cannot feel without a nervous system or a brain. That is impossible. They respond to outside stimuli, but that is not what anyone would call "feeling". You're being extremely dishonest.
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@moonman5319 I'm not ignoring that it has life. I know it's alive. But the definition of feeling is an intense reaction to emotion or sense. Plants do not do that, because they have no brain or neurons. For the record, I personally don't care what you eat. I am vegan for health reasons. From an ethical vegan perspective, they take issue with harming sentient life and find it hypocritical to place animals on a hierarchy. His work was about showing similarities between plant and animal tissues and that plants react to outside stimuli. There's nothing to disprove. He's right. The issue lies with you equating to that to "feeling". Why not try actually talking to me about my specific stance before making assumptions?
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Ryan Doherty While I agree that child support is ridiculous sometimes, you should take some responsibilty as a Father if the mother chooses to keep the child. He made the same dumb mistake she did. There is a difference between financial and physical effects.
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Have you ever bought a gun? Because I can assure you that you can buy guns at a gun show without a background check. Just depends on who and where you're buying.
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First, its D&C and secondly they are often performed after abortions as well.
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I think its insane to only base a decision on like that on subjective deservement.
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Its not about being alive. Its about being sentient. Being able to think, feel and understand whats going on. You would go to prison for killing a cat or a dog. But a cow or a pig doesn't matter? Thats the moral argument.
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Pretty much everyone is pro-choice, because you truly are a nasty person if you're actually pro-life
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Hypocrisy at its finest
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Or is aware of private sales.
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@dungeonsanddragonshomebrew3165 Not if the sale is private in 30 states.
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But thats not the issue.
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Thats because the vast majority of people around you are vaccinated. Your decision should be respected, but its thanks to years of vaccines that you now have that option. Be prepared to take responsibility IF you should ever harm someone because of this decision.
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Then you clearly haven't spoken to a lot of people who are against the death penalty. I don't need to believe they are "warm and kindhearted" to understand they don't need to die. There is no reason for the death penalty. Put them in prison for life. Capital punishment is not a deterrent and never has been. Nor will it be.
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No. On the ethical side of things, vegans understand that animals are sentient whereas plants are not.
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@storm0fnova The recent stuides that you claim happen were not performed by anything other than assisted researchers amd have already been proven to be debunked. You cannot experience anything without a brain. Yes, plants can respond to outside stimuli by use of chemicals. Its how they survive. That's not even remotely compared to the life of an animal, that has sentience, emotions and can feel. They don't invalidate the sentience argument. You just apparently have no idea what sentience means.
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@storm0fnova Emotions and feelings are controlled with a brain. Biological functions, such as nerve movement, are controlled by a brainstem. For the love of God, take an anatomy class. No, it does not qualify as being able to feel. Again, feelings and emotions are something that can only be experienced through chemicals in a brain. Reaction to stimuli does not equal feelings. Plants are not sentient, and no one in the field of plant science will say they are. You are clearly someone who has never taken an anatomy or a biology class. Veganism does come at a cost. But its about reducing the amount of suffering from a moral side, helping our environment from an environmental side, and living longer and healthier from a health side.
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The death penalty is outdated and unnecessary.
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@radioactivedynamite Simple. Capital punishment is more expensive and wastes more money than life in prison.
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@Speed_and_Power I could make the same argument for people on death row.
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@kyleflanagan8410 No. No you're not. Anti vax people are vectors for mutations
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Why follow it up with "before they commit to one partner" as if that's necessary to be in a relationship?
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@fatcatontario Personally? Only one. Why does elderly matter? I'm married, have children and am poly, and have been in said poly relationship for over a decade. It honestly can work. It's not that different from any other relationship. I think some people have a misguided understanding about what polyamory entails.
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@fatcatontario Personally for me, its the contrasting opinions between my husband and my partner. We almost never fight because a mediator is always there. Plus is just the love I recieve from both. I could never choose between them.
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The point I believe she was making is ice cream isn't vegan.
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Nah, we build relationships as well. To answer your question, depends on the type of polycule you're in. I want to stress that this episode did not focus on closed polyamorous relationships, which is the majority. Both of my children consider both of my partners their father, even though only one is biologically there's. "I don't care what anyone says" Facts don't care about you. Arguing with reality doesn't change it.
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Nasty shiz According to the Bible, her father would be right. So perhaps there is a reason.
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And most of those are suicides.
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Except they don't on private sales. And many private sellers sell at gun shows.
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Funny, because I've had the opposite experience. Never been to a gun show that gave me a background check. Just depends on where you live and who you're buying from.
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In your subjective opinion.
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Prove there is a God. Do you know how many people are killed in the name of a potentially fictional deity? That's disturbing.
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@undergroundrapfan9018 I have a logical argument. I don't think anything should just be believed without evidence first being provided. Would you just blindly believe on faith that I had a pet dragon? By the way, just because I currently believe you are wrong doesn't mean my mind cant be changed if shown the proper evidence.
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You can't explain that murder is objectively wrong. Because its not.
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@mollkatless Murder is not objectively wrong as you claimed.
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The misogyny is strong with you.
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In the US, ownina gun is your amendment right. It is NOT a privilege.
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Depends on the state and who you're buying from.
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Thats because your not poly. And thats okay. I feel like monogamous love is possessive and only surface level. But we're different.
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Not really sterotypically when a majority of Fundamentalist Christians act exactly like that.
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Your homicide rates have tripled over the last several years while the US has steady decline. Sure, gun death is minimal. But your knife crime is absurd on top of your acid attacks and fire bombings. Getting rid of all guns protects no one. You are more likely to be killed by a gun if you own one. From suicide and accidental discharge. Not homicide. We don't have a gun problem. We have a mental illness problem.
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Fun fact: So do animals. You're not any more intrinsically valuable than the cow you ate for dinner. Also, humans also destroy the natural environment with their industrialization.
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No, pro-life makes a fool of themselves. Because they pretend they care when they don't and are pushing for the removal of rights. I bet you aren't even pro-life. I bet you have exceptions to abortion, like rape or medical complications. If you're actually pro-life, you'd be against abortion in those circumstances too.
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The bottom line is you do not need to eat meat to be healthy and in general, you are healthier without it. That being said, eat what you want.
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A vegetarian abstains from eating meat. A vegan abstains from all animal products including dairy, eggs, honey and meat.
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@thamas_420 Your original comment was vague
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@Henry-gv3cy You do realize that inherent value is a subjective opinion, and therefore cannot be "wrong", right?
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@Henry-gv3cy Well, for one, I can objectively say that abortion is not murder when we are talking about the US. No where in the US in abortion outright unlawful, therefore by following those guidelines, it would never be murder. But even if it were murder, murder being wrong is still subjective. That subjectivity just happens to be shared by the majority. Ultimately, objectivity does not exist when it comes to morals. They can, and do, change with time.
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@Henry-gv3cy Something being wrong is subjective. It is unable to be proven to be wrong. You slavery example for instance. Do you honestly think if you were born in the Civil War era, you would have inherently knew slavery was wrong? No. Your morality would have lined up with whatever the environment around you told you was right. As society's perspectives changes, morality changes and evolves. When has abortion ever been convenient? Its not. Its not cheap, its not covered by insurance, your ostracized by people, etc. Abortion: the deliberate termination of a human pregnancy, most often performed during the first 28 weeks of pregnancy. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. So no, abortion is not murder. A) A fetus is not medically nor legally considered a person, as we define personhood at sentience and B) Abortion is not unlawful. I can grant you that abortion is killing a human. Because it is. That doesn't make it murder. Murder is a legal term. My arguments aren't flawed. They're simply realistic.
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Its not murder. You don't have to justify anything.
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@kalebmartinson No one kills a baby. They terminate a developing fetus. Also God? You realize God actively condones abortion right? Or did you not read the Bible? No. Its not wrong. Not to me at least. If you took it seriously and considered it carefully, I see no issue.
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@lindze8075 Life does begin at conception. Thats not the point. And yes. Not only does the Bible condone abortion, it outright called for it. A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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Jared Messinese No actually he wasn't. She's both, and to refuse to acknowledge her as an atheist was moronic.
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A vegan diet is healthy. But so can most other diets. Its about finding what's best for you.
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@klipser66 The vegan diet isn't nearly as restricted as you believe it is. Its anout complimenting food. I do not take supplements, and I live off of food stamps and disability. You don't need supplements on a vegan diet.
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Pro informed consent means the parents should have a right to do their own research and decide whether they feel their child should be vaccinated. Basically, that it shouldn't be a legal mandate.
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You genuinely believe that because its not accepted as the standard, nor are you polyamorous. Because if it was or you were, you would not hold that opinion. You do have to commit in a polyamorous relationship, just as you do in a monogamous one. The only difference is you commit to multiple partners. You have very little understanding of how a poly relationship works.
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@kiwibird6171 Committment: the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc. It takes dedication to be committed to multiple people. You don't bounce around between partners. You do everything together, just as you would in a monogamous relationship. There still is temptation. You can still cheat. As far as a limit, that depends on the polycule. I am in what's called a Y polycule. I am with 2 people who are with me, but not with each other nor anyone else. Technically, the limit is whatever the polycule decides. In most cases, the max is usually 3. But I know some that cap out at 5 or 6. And each one is different.
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@kiwibird6171 Mutiple partners does not qualify as everything. Yeah, there's temptation. Because in order for someone to be added the ENTIRE group must consent
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@kiwibird6171 No it doesn't. It takes just as much as with one. I don't actually think you know how polyamorous relationships work. We do everything together. No one is exluded. Unless of course they want to be. There are no benefits. I have the same relationship you have with one person. I just have it with two.
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@xxkillemxx4862 Why does my existence offend you?
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I'd save my cat over a human stranger.
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@anna.owo. Yep. I have no relationship with them. I have no attachment to them. I'd try to save them, but I would save the animal I have a connection with over any stranger.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 Abortions are not irresponsible. Also 2% is thousands of people. Continue to undermine them.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 I can agree on some level. Yes, unwanted pregnancy is irresponsible. So is keeping said unwanted pregnancy.
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You mean buying guns at a show without a background check? Its pretty easy. Find a private vendor. All of mine were purchased that way.
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@marcotucker3431 But thats what the supposed "gunshow loophole" refers to. Private sales at shows.
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@marcotucker3431 So what do you think it refers you? Because I just gave you the definition.
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@marcotucker3431 Okay, you're still not explaining to me. What do you think the gunshow loophole is?
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@marcotucker3431 political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. So explain to me what YOU think it is. Because all this so called loophole refers to is private sales at shows.
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@marcotucker3431 I absolutely agree.
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@yellowyellowyellow7894 I disagree. I care more about quailty of life then whether or not life exists. Plus, I think its disgusting that someone who is suffering doesn't have the right to die.
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@yellowyellowyellow7894 Nope not at all. I think you should get vaccinated if you want. And I apply that to all vaccines.
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We're not even top of the food chain now.
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No it's not. But it offers insight. If you cannot be empathetic with people, even those that have done atrocities, stay out of the criminal justice system.
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You mean pro life.
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@ventithebard2318 Most polyamorous relationships are not open. They are closed.
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"I would rather be in an orphanage than dead". You only say that because you have no idea what its like to live in the system. A great number of us end up one of two places. Prison or the cemetery. You are LUCKY if you have a chance.
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Then your argument is invalid, because it costs more money to put someone to death than it does to keep them in prison for life.
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Joshua Chamberlain As someone who works in the criminal justice field, I can tell you with certainty that they are absolutely not afraid of the death penalty. They do not care. Some even want it. Which would negate it being a punishment. As for justice, I certainly don't think of it like that. How is capital punishment justice? It doesn't heal the pain, nor does it bring the dead back. Too expensive and not a deterrent. Abolish it and focus on rehabilitation.
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Joshua Chamberlain No. I don't believe that. But not everyone thinks like me.
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Joshua Chamberlain That capital punishment is justice.
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Humans don't have to eat meat. Thats the moral point.
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No, for two reasons. 1) Vaccination does not prevent you from getting the illness. It helps your body fight it off more efficiently by giving it a head start. Its designed to protect you from the (often severe) complications that come from these viruses. 2) Anti-vaccine individuals are subject to being vectors for virus mutation. If a new strain of a virus comes from a mutation (like the flu or this coronavirus) no one is protected from it. Yes, people should have a right to choose. But they should also be denied certain privileges and be willing to accept responsibility if harm were to be had. What you believe about vaccines is irrelevant. That is simply not the truth. Vaccines have never been linked to autoimmune disorders. Autoimmune disorders are genetic.
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The fetus is developing off of the mother. It is physically attached and has no developed body of it's own at the time of most abortions. Also no, it's not murder.
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@JimVonSchmittou No, the heart isnt beating. The circulatory system hasn't developed fully yet, and it is only developing those organs by leeching off of its mother. I was a failed abortion. And I wouldn't have cared if I was never here. You cannot miss something you never had. Nine month abortions are illegal under federal law. Once the fetus gains sentience, abortion should be off the table in my opinion. Sure, if that actually happened, it would be murder. But it doesnt.
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@JimVonSchmittou If you actually had a medical license, you would know that isnt true. The cardiovascular system finishes developing around 8 weeks, however, there is no brainstem to start the heartbeat. If you can hear a heartbeat at 6 weeks, which is rare, you aren't hearing the fetuses heartbeat on it's own. You are hearing the formation of vessels and muscles in a rhythmic pattern. That is the mothers doing, not the fetuses. A fetusesbody cannot do anything on it's own, independent from the mother, until around 12 weeks. That is when the brainstem forms and the fetus starts to develop with help, more than being solely dependent. This is when the cutoff for abortion should be. And most abortions happen way before this.
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@JimVonSchmittou Not in pediatrics no. If you're asking if I have an MD then, yes in a sense. Working on one at the minute. My father does.
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@JimVonSchmittou Like I said, I just personally dont know any. I never said it wasnt possible. By the way, I have an assisted MD, just not in pediatrics.
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@blvkisdead9220 I'm quite proud of my MD
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@blvkisdead9220 Anyone who uses a made up word as an insult has no credibility.
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Depends on the situation.
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Only a state ID. No background check is required in most states, unless you a buying from an FFL dealer.
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Raa16 The burden of proof is on you to prove divinity and the supernatural. I don't make a positive claim when it comes to a God. One could exist. I simply don't believe in one. I am saying its a fact that the Bible is not a historical text. We can prove this by simply pointing to things in the Bible that we KNOW did not occur. The Bible doesn't have to be factually accurate or real for your God to exist.
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Raa16 I never made a claim on God. Ever. We know it didn't happen. Adam and Eve were not real. The flood did not happen. The Exodus did not happen. These are facts.
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Raa16 Because there are stories in the Bible that are straight up parables. Adam and Eve, the 6000 year old Earth, the Exodus and Noah's Flood. These events are false. The Bible is not a historical text. Its a Holy Book. Treat it as such. Genetics prove Adam and Eve did not exist. There is no geological evidence for a flood, which there would be. And we can see by desert climate and geological evidence that the Exodus did not occur, as no one would have survived. Even Christian organizations recognize this. The Bible does not have to be historically valid for your God to exist. Do you not understand that?
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Raa16 If everyone was descended from only two people, you would be a genetic bottleneck. Yes, if there was a 40 day worldwide flood, there would be geological evidence of this. The one who needs to provide the evidence is you. That's not how evidence works. If there is no evidence of something, the logical step would be to assume it didn't happen.
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Raa16 There is no point in arguing with you. You won't change your mind, and I'm not trying to change it.
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IssyFishyy The flood did not happen. Even Christians admit to this. There would be geological evidence if a forty day flood had happened.
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IssyFishyy Yeah no. I don't believe that. Sorry. Blowing away the waters would not have changed the fact that the Earth would have been permanently changed and plants and animal species would have absolutely gone extinct. The flood didn't happen. Adam and Eve weren't real. The Exodus didn't happen. These are metaphors. And I don't know why you can't accept that these being metaphors doesn't mean your God doesn't exist.
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Except the death penalty doesn't decrease the murder rate. It's only a deterrent to those who were never going to commit the crime in the first place.
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@nolangrimes well no. Not technically. A gnostic atheist straight up says there is no God, but it has nothing to do with the supernatural.
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@bluediamond4895 A fetus is not a person. And once again, no they are not the same. Murder is unlawful. Killing may or may not be unlawful. Is it killing? Yes. Is it murder? No.
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@bluediamond4895 No. You're just ignorant who won't even bother to listen to what someone with a different opinion has to say.
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@bluediamond4895 How do you think you would save lives? If anything, you'd only end more lives. How do you know that? Do you just assume that all pro choice people abort their fetuses? You know what? Good for you. You may be glad to be alive. But there are many out there who aren't. Who talk every day about wishing they had been aborted. Wishing someone would end it for them. I'm a failed abortion, and I was strong enough to survive. That doesn't mean everyone is.
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@bluediamond4895 I never said it's noble nor did I say it was for their own good. You're pissed off because because I'm right, and you've never seen the harsh truth. I do appreciate my life, but you don't appear to have ever met someone who doesn't
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@bluediamond4895 Good for you. You have an anecdotal example. Try talking to kids who say everyday they want to die and they wish they had been aborted.
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@FamousDMagnificent To deny your body something that is natural is unhealthy.
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@FamousDMagnificent No, its not at all like that. What other people do in thwir sex life is none of your business.
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@FamousDMagnificent Unless the abortion is being paid for by Medicaid (which it rarely is), your tax dollars are not paying for abortions. The Hyde Amendment forbids federal finances to pay for abortion except for rape, incest, or the life of the mother.
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Actually, that depends entirely on what the felony was for. And on top of that, if you are a minor who commits a felony and are charged as an adult (usually 16 or older), you can appeal to the court to have either your record expunged or your charges dropped to a misdemeanor. By the way, felons do lose the right to vote as well. But this can be changed too. The problem is that stricter gun laws don't protect people. They hurt people. Because criminals do not care about the law.
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@HalfMoeHalfAmazing No, even after they're relased, the state decides whether or not they can vote in state elections and they are barred from voting in federal elections as well. These are all the rights anyone convicted of a felony will lose. – Voting rights – Serving on a jury – Traveling abroad – Owning firearms or ammunition – Certain types of employment – Parental rights If you have a felony, that is no one's fault but your own. Appeal to the court. Most people who committed mass shootings gave extremely obvious signs of problems. Mental health is ignored.
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@HalfMoeHalfAmazing Then the state chose to give you those rights back, which I stated it has the right to do. It also has the right to deny you that right. Its called disenfranchisement. You lost your right to bare arms because you had proven you are not capable of being trusted with one. Stop bitching about how you lost that right. You didn't. Appeal to the higher courts. Appeal to your state. If they choose to not let you own a firearm, its probably for a damn good reason. You have no one to blame but yourself.
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@HalfMoeHalfAmazing Except it is a right. A right that every citizen has until they have done something against someone else's rights. If you want to go that route, then you have no rights. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You cannot vote if you are a felon unless that state grants you that right. You cannot practice a harmful behavior even if it qualifies as religion.
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@scottp7256 Would you please stop with the autism thing? Autism is genetic. You are born with it. It is not a side effect.
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Beastz E I'd rather her abort me, because adoption agencies are broken. There may be a chance I'm adopted by a loving family. There may also be a chance I'm adopted by an abusive family or kicked out at 18 because I wasn't adopted at all
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You are clearly someone who has never taken an anatomy class or has spoken to an OBGYN. Unless you are in a menopause or are actively menstruating, you can get pregnant at ANY time. While the ovulation window is the best time to get pregnant, to claim its the only time a person can get pregnant is just false. Also, condoms and birth control are only about 96% effective when used properly. You would be shocked how many people do not know how to properly use a condom, or get lazy and skip a pill. On top of that, almost all pregnancies are accidental, because a minority of people actually have sex in order to get pregnant. A fetus is chattle. It is property. It is only the decision of the pregnant person what is done with it.
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Vaccines have years of testing behind them. You can sue. Its called a vaccine court. You sue there, and then the government sues the manufacturer. Drug companies still do not make money from vaccines, as every state has places that will give vaccines for free. They were not made immune because of lawsuits. Rarely were injuries reported. Pharmaceutical companies actually lose money on vaccines. You're simply a person who chooses to alter reality to suit you.
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@pontusbeats7567 Because making them illegal would spike them, not lower them. Gun violence ISN'T a big problem here. You ar 21x more likely to die in a car crash than be shot. Guns save lives.
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"Restrict it to sane people" What's your definition of "sane?" A majority of this country is mentally ill, depression and anxiety being the most common. Where would you draw the line? Go too far, and it violates my constitutional rights.
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Then you aren't pro-life. You're pro-choice. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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It certainly can be unhealthy. The rebuttal should be anything can be unhealthy.
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He actually interrupted her first and then tried to tell her what she was. When she stepped in to try and correct him, he cut her off again and essentially said she wasn't what she said she was. If you think thats not a) offensive and b) out of line, your extreme bias is showing. She was absolutely in the right to defend herself.
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@thetransformedchristians3322 When you start to try and dictate what someone else is because you are entirely uneducated on the subject, you should expect backlash. He didn't need to finish. He was already incorrect. He was out of line, and she had every right to cut him off and put him in his place. Now, are there parts of the video where she is out of line? Yes. But HE was wrong. Not only about what an atheist is, but in telling someone what they are.
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@montramedia You are aware that plan b is not even available everywhere right? And you also realize that nearly all abortions are done via a medication right?
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@montramedia Flat out lie. Where I live, you can no longer get plan b OTC. Its prescription only. Why its like that, I don't know. But in some places, plan B is no longer accessible without a prescription.
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@montramedia How about not spread lies that plan B is an option for everyone to take and that bodily autonomy is a human right? That would be helpful.
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@nomisseyer9809 I'm simply playing devil's advocate. I'm a vegan for health reasons. I don't really care what people eat, just enjoy correcting misinformation.
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But you do not have to be a firearms dealer to sell at a show, and private sales do not need background checks in most states.
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Birthing a child you are incapable of raising and caring for is irresponsible. Also, good job being a hypocrite.
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A human being more important is entirely subjective.
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@PossumBS It really is. Nature doesn't care if you're human. Humans are animals but we place humans on a pedestal because of cognitive function.
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So...you're not an atheist then. You can't be both a Christian and an Atheist.
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So many idiots who don't know what murder means in the comment section.
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And abortion is convenient how?
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@brandonpaugh922 if the sale is through a dealer, then the sale usn't private.
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@kawikak7730 No you don't, unless of course, you are buying from a dealer. Or if your state puts restrictions on private sales.
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@kawikak7730 No you don't. All three of my guns were purchased legally at shows. And never have I had a background check. All of my sales were private, and my state puts no restrictions on private sales.
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@kawikak7730 I meant restrictions as in waiting periods or background checks.
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@kawikak7730 So why are you arguing with me that you can't buy guns at shows without background checks?
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will forman Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. An atheist simply doesn't believe in a god. Being agnostic is a knowledge claim. You aren't just agnostic. If you don't have faith, then you don't believe, therefore making you an agnostic atheist. If you don't know, but you do believe there could be something out there, you are an agnostic thiest.
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will forman No an anti theist would say that there is no god. Atheism is a matter of belief, not a matter of knowledge. You can't be an agnostic without having a belief. You're either an agnostic theist, a person who doesn't know whether or not a god exists but believes in one, or an agnostic atheist, a person who doesn't know whether or not a god is real but doesn't believe in one.
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will forman Agnosticism doesn't just apply to religion or the supernatural. Agnosticism applies to anything that is not known with certainty. I admit I don't know whether or not a god exists, therefore I am agnostic. I also do not believe a god exists, therefore I am an atheist. Hence agnostic atheist. People like to just say "I'm agnostic" to avoid a fight with someone. But it is not a stand alone claim. Do you not know for sure whether or not there is a God? Yes? You're an agnostic. Do you believe there could be a God? Yes? You're a theist. Do you lack a belief in a god? Yes? You're an atheist. I think you need to do some research
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will forman I am an agnostic atheist. I do not know whether a god exists, but I do not believe in one.
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And that aren't sentient and cannot feel. Life isn't what matters. Sentience does.
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Mr. DW What value do you have that you are born with? You aren't born special. You're special because you live your life unique to anyone else. Have different ideas and experiences. You aren't born with that. That's not cruel. That's just realistic. Your value comes from the life you make for yourself, not just because you were born.
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Or maybe he just read his Bible where God loves to commit acts of abortion.
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You probably misunderstand the atheist woman (though I agree she is agressive) though the issue with the old man wasn't about calling her agnostic. It was saying she wasn't atheist. She is both.
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Contraception can't be used by everyone, isn't available everywhere, and fails. So the mother should not only suffer, but the child should suffer after birth? That is vile. Adoption is not always an option either. Prove that life is sacred. Thats just your opinion.
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So...you're a walking contradiction.
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The gun show loophole refers to the ability to buy guns at a show without a background check. This has never been disproven, because it's a very real occurance. I'm not anti gun, but when you spread false information, you discredit yourself.
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@Qui Tell that to the innocent people who are executed.
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But they don't in all cases
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@liamcherry680 But they don't if its a private sale.
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No, not really. Its a lifestyle choice.
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Yeah but...thats not the issue
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@BigT1984 I've never had a background check on any gun I've purchased. Private sales can happen anywhere and are not legally obligated to provide a background check in most states. Thats not a loophole. Its just state law.
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@BigT1984 I understand. What I was pointing out is that this law is a state by state thing. So she may have gone to a show with private dealers and saw then leave without a background check, which is where she got that idea.
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@BigT1984 I understand. My point was that the majority of states do not.
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@BigT1984 I know.
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But that wasn't what she said. I mean, she's still ignorant, but you can buy a gun from a private citizen and not have a background check.
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Both. No such thing as just agnostics. Everyone should be agnostic.
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Thank the people around you who are vaccinated for the fact that you are healthy.
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If only we lived in your perfect world.
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@MCdi-rt8tb Excuse us for living in reality. Also, keep your "God" out of it.
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@MCdi-rt8tb Yeah, the way to convert people is to name call. Really intelligent. The reality is, abortion is necessary at this time. We can argue about the morality, but we do not live in a just world. I know why I suffer from depression and anxiety. Because there is a chemical imbalance in my brain. So what? I was depressed as a Christian. In fact, I am happier as an athiest. But that's me personally. I don't think you're sexist or a boomer. I'm probably a good decade older than you, and I'm simply more experienced in how the world works in the present. I understand where you're coming from. You don't seem to understand, or don't want to understand, me.
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Not true. You can legally buy a gun at a show in most states if the person you are buying from is a private seller. Background checks are mandatory only on those who hold an FFL.
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@shadowtyphoonCH Nope, not true. I have never had a background check from any gun I have ever purchased, and all of mine were purchased at shows. Private sellers are also allowed to sell at shows. No law requires you to hold an FFL to sell at a show. Only if you are buying from someone who has an FFL license do you legally require a background check in most states. The "gunshow loophole" still doesn't exist. It's just language for legal private sales at shows.
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I love food and am a vegan. Many great dishes don't need use any animal products.
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@チャーリーブラウン-w8l Yeah actually I do. In fact, being vegan has allowed me to expand my pallet. I however, don't have a problem with people choosing their own diets.
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@チャーリーブラウン-w8l Oh no. I know I don't matter. But a majority of every person's diet is vegan. Rice and veggies are delicious and are vegan. So I don't see how you equate veganism to eating grass. No. I'm not part of a trend. I'm vegan for health reasons. And I'll always be vegan now.
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@チャーリーブラウン-w8l Been a vegan for over a decade so.
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@Zanta100 Most of your comment I agree with. Except all agnostics being atheists. Everyone, atheist or otherwise, should be agnostic. Theists are also agnostic
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@charmaineminott912 Its not the divorce that sends you to hell. It's remarriage that does.
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@charmaineminott912 I personally don't believe in hell. If God exists, and is as loving as people claim, then a place of eternal suffering would make him a monster
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@charmaineminott912 God is still the one responsible for sending you there. Sounds like a dictator
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Truth_is_the _new_hate Nobody is killing a baby. They're killing a fetus.
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Truth_is_the _new_hate A fetus is not a baby. That is medically inaccurate. I don't believe life has intrinsic value. No, abortion is not murder unless abortion is illegal. Murder is the unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion is not unlawful, therefor is not murder. Killing? Yes. Murder? No. Abortion almost never happens because it's inconvient. It happens because a woman realizes she cannot care for a child and she has no other alternatives. It's not that she doesn't necessarily want it. It's she doesn't have the means to give it a quality of life.
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Truth_is_the _new_hate So human rights should be overruled. That is what your saying. That will never happen. There is a reason Roe vs Wade exists. Adoption should be considered. But agencies have been turning children away in the last several years. They lack the space and funding to continue to care for children. A fetus doesn't have its own blood, it's own heart or it's own brain at the time of most abortions. So I guess it isn't a life then huh? If you want abortion to end, help pay for medical care and treatment for that fetus. Provide aid and housing to women who can't afford it. Help pay for that child until the mother gets on her feet. Adopt children instead of having your own. I want to see an end to abortion. But apparently, unlike some people, I see why a woman makes the decision to have an abortion.
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Personally, you would only know I was vegan of you ate with me. Because most of us aren't like this.
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To enjoy and experience the world. Why do you need a God to find happiness? That's pathetically depressing to be honest. You have zero evidence in a God. I would honestly love to see your reaction if it was ever discovered that there was no God.
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He unfortunately wasn't lying. He was an accredited and licensed pediatrician, who has thankfully had his licenses suspended.
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Most people can't empathize with a child molester, unless they themselves are a child molester. However, you can sympathize with them. It doesn't make you any less sympathetic towards the victims.
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Why give them a life sentence? Because its cheaper and execution is a slippery slope. Putting them to death does nothing beneficial.
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No. We just don't like that old man, who happens to be a Christian.
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How is this not a debate? A debate isn't meant to change the other sides mind.
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Abortion isnt convenient, nor is it a baby. It's a non sentient fetus in most cases.
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@tripleUstudios69 I dont deny that it's more convenient than having and taking care of the child. That doesn't mean its convenient to have a child you cannot care for. It's a fetus. It's not a baby until after its born. Yes its human. It's a human fetus.
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So can food, cars, pets, and medications. Should we ban those too?
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@travisjohnson7065 It isn't wrong to my subjective experience. But my view isn't objective, any more than yours is. If we work on different moral frameworks, then something that is right to me will not be right to you. The unborn do not have the right to life any more than an illegal immigrant does, even though I actually agree with you that it should. It doesn't matter what the purpose of my uterus is. My vagina is desgined for taking seed. That doesn't give someone the right to use it without my consent.
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@travisjohnson7065 Morality is bendable, as it depends on the time, place and emotion of the people building it. If I think stealing is okay, and you think it isn't, there is no objective fact you could use to prove you were right and I was wrong. Objectivity, by definition, is void of any emotional input. Its, by definition, impossible for morality to be objective. You can't seperate human emotions and morality. They are entwined and do change, like you bring up with slavery. Not everyone does have a conscious. Its just something that is expected. I can't feel guilty for something I do not believe is wrong. Period. I do not regret my abortion. I don't feel guilty. I made the best decision for myself at the time. Nothing is illegal about a fetus. I was simply pointing out a comparison that neither of these groups are protected. If I do not give consent for a fetus to use my womb, then it is my constitutional right to abort, just as it would be my constitutional right to press charges against someone who raped me. My rights are being violated. That is the way the law is.
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Unity 0 The woman has the right to bodily autonomy. A man, or woman, does have the right to leave a relationship at any time. If neither wants a child, they have avenues they can take to leave. A woman has the right to abort. A man has the right to leave and sign away parental rights.
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Unity 0 No. I don't think a man should be shamed for leaving.
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Not if the sale is private.
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Depends on who you're buying the firearms from. While I doubt a private seller would sell 20 guns at once, because that's suspicious as hell, they are not under any federal obligation to perform a background check in most of the states.
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@bridgetbrownvargus Agnostic and atheist are not the same. Agnostic is a stance on knowledge. Atheism is a stance on belief.
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Because its not so much a myth as it is bad nomenclature.
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Thats called an argument from emotion fallacy.
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@stevenlerch8584 And statistically speaking, had you had a gun, you would have dramatically increased your chances of survival.
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@hettinga359 Makes no difference. If life is so much more valuable than bodily autonomy, why shouldn't we force organ and blood donation? You're avoiding the question because you're caught. Also, consent to sex is not conset to pregnancy
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Lizzie Allen Thats absolutely not true. The foster care system is responsible for all state adoptions. If you give your child up to the state, they WILL go into foster care. There are 44,000 children waiting for a state adoption. There are less than 5,000 parents wanting to adopt in the US.
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Just because they're clumps of cells doesn't mean they aren't living.
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That doesn't make us top of the food chain. It appears you do not know how food chains work.
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@albertb-c488 No, actually we're not. We have a scientific way of determining food chains. Humans are closer to the middle of the food chain. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves. We fall below a whole host of animals including tigers, crocodiles, hyenas, bears and Komodo Dragons.
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Hypocrisy at its finest.
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@ykkinp6681 You'd be fine with abortion in one scenario but demonize it in another. That's hypocritical. If its morally wrong, then its morally wrong in all circumstances.
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Because an atheist does not claim a God does not exist. They simply lack a belief in one. Most atheists would readily accept a higher power if it could be proven to them.
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There are plenty of people from other countries that wish protection for themselves was a right.
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Lizzie Allen So how about all those women who would have to be jailed for simply having a normal miscarriage?
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@liamturman You know why many people owned and thought slavery was okay? The Bible.
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@liamturman And it was legal in the first place because people felt it was their God given right to own slaves. Even though it was a violation of the Constitution.
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As if polyamorous asexual people don't exist?
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@desmond4046 No. Considering one of partners is polyamorous and asexual.
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Bible is very much pro-choice.
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@pencil_vesterr Literally any Bible. Or maybe you just ignore the parts you don't agree with.
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@Humanity Galatica Oh, I don't disagree that its anti-choice. Its just really not pro-life.
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@Humanity Galatica By the definition of pro-choice as it refers to abortion. Not in terms of choice in general.
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@Humanity Galatica The Bible isn't against people having an abortion in any capacity. It actively calls for it.
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But...we're not at the top. We're in the middle
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@joanneezibe2218 yeah I know
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That is a strawman argument
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Imagine not knowing how stem cells are actually used. Maybe...try taking a biology class?
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@daniel-fj2rg My liberty is just as important to life. And believe it or not, pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion
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@daniel-fj2rg Its not just that I think it. It's fact. No matter how much you want to fight it, a fetus, while human is species, is not a person. We define personhood at sentience, not on specism. In the medical community at least. Liberty IS equal to life. Its written right in the Constitution. "We hold these truths to be self evident. That *all right's are created equal*." This is why we don't force organ and blood donation, and why hospitals have slow codes and DNR's Pro-choice also refers to someone's right to die, i.e. assisted suicide.
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@logan5429 Uhh no. That right there show's you know nothing about brain psychology, how love works, or polyamory. That's literally like saying you can only love one parent. It's ridiculous.
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@logan5429 Thats not how most polyamorous relationships work. I don't leave one partner one night to go the next. We spend every night together. With both of them. One of my partners is asexual. He's not interested in sex at all. I'm not with them for sexual needs. I'm with them because I love them. Easily. I'm married to my first partner. My second partner and I are, in a sense, engaged. We can't legally marry, so he's essentially like a commonlaw partner. I don't NEED to be with two people. I was just with my husband from middle school until we got married when I was in my mid 20's. Ovet 10 years I was just with him. But I fell in love with a close friend, while maintaining the love I had for my husband. You will never find a person that has everything you want. Regardless of whether you are poly or mono. That is an unrealistic expectation. For me, the key was finding some different from me who compliments me and my desires and personality. I just happened to find 2 guys in that category.
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Rb6 For life So skyrocket the deaths of mothers and fetuses along with deaths related to suicide, child abuse and neglect. Sounds reasonable.
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You mean the country that has bought back nearly 60% of its guns? Uh-huh.
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@infernobear6009 And that just proves how little research you do. Maybe if someone were to ever hold you at gunpoint, having your own wouldn't look so scary.
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Mormons are a denomination of Christianity.
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@hannahpeterson7572 As someone who grew up Mormon, unfortunately, we always learned from the Bible. By the way, "salvation through God" is only one way. Other denominations believe good works, prayer, tithing, and simple faith will get you into heaven. This is the problem with religion. No denomination agrees on most things. So sorry. But you claiming their not Christian doesn't make them not Christian. Thats called a "no true scotsman fallacy". There are thousands of denominations of Christianity. Mormonism is one of them.
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No dear. He wasnt going to explain why he thought she was agnostic. He was going to continue to tell her she was not an atheist, but was agnostic. When he clearly doesn't know what the word agnostic means.
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@deviantrabbidz4177 Because if he knew anything about it, he would not have said "you're not an atheist, you're agnostic". And she wouldn't have gotten defensive if she didn't know what agnostic meant. Agnostic is a redundant term that is unnecessary. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic.
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I've also been to gun shows and have never had a background check. Depends on who is selling the gun and where.
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@parthenon5106 Thats not illegal. Its considered a private sale. Private sales have no manadatory federal background checks. So, no. You don't
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@parthenon5106 Selling to anyone you do not know is a fellon without a background check is completely legal in 35 of 50. You can't KNOWINGLY sell to a felon
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@parthenon5106 No, that isn't you said. You said it was illegal to sell a gun without a background check. And you were wrong
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@parthenon5106 In the comment you deleted where you told me it was illegal to sell at gun shows without a background check.
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Well, abortion isn't murder so...oh. and child abuse often leads to murder.
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@ChilesSupportTV Murder must be unlawful to be classified as such. Get a dictionary
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@ChilesSupportTV Nope. Actually, I don't have the ability to have children, so I adopted. I just understand why people choose to abort.
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@travisjohnson7065 Those laws are already in place. We still have the right to an abortion. But the more we try to help, the less people will feel like abortion is their only option.
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@travisjohnson7065 I agree. But I do not think outlawing abortion is the way to do it.
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The extremists don't speak for the majority. I am an atheist and a dietary vegan. I take absolutely no issue with what you choose to eat. Its your life.
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Except they're not. And you can actively research their claims. They do take the position that no one should be vaccinated and that vaccines are harmful. Wanna know another fun statistic? The odds of developing encephalitis from measles is 1 in 400. The odds of dying from encephalitis is 1 in 260.
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And nobody would care. Most people who are honest would save an animal they developed a relationship with over a person they knew nothing about.
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@slimeb0y_ "Indirect manslaughter" is not a thing. If someone is, lets say, drowning, you are under no legal obligation to help them. Manslaughter would be if you caused the accident that caused them to drown in the first place.
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And the point would be...?
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@mrbuckets11 One, thats not a word. And two, you didn't make a point. So what if its human?
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@mrbuckets11 A fetus is a ball of cells. I don't recall them saying it wasn't a human. It is. But so what?
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@mrbuckets11 Again. There is no point. Who cares if abortion kills a non-sentient human? Why does that matter?
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Have pro-death penalty people ever heard that psychopath and sociopath doesn't exist as a term? These are people on an ASPD spectrum, and that doesn't make them inherently violent. Some of your close friends are probably sociopaths. Rehabilitate those you can. Lock up those you can't.
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That is a statement needed to be hacked up with evidence. Also, hypothetical situations do not make an argument.
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le foot You a vegan?
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A combination of the 3.
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Because it's too expensive, it's not a deterrent and it doesn't lower crime rates. My sister was raped and murdered, and I advocated against the death penalty, as did my mother. So no, we aren't hypocrites.
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@spiredsword52e24 We still have hangings and firing squad and it's still too expensive.
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Someone doesn't understand what a fetus is or what the definition of murder is.
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@blazernfire475 I never said it wasn't. It is. But since when did life matter? You dont give a shit if you slaughter a cow or stomp a spider. That's life. The argument isnt about life. It's about sentience.
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@blazernfire475 I find it highly unlikely that you've never killed an insect that has come into your home. I'm not bringing in veganism. I'm making a point. If life matters so much to you, then you should have a problem with taking all life. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite.
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Except one is a constitutional right. The other is walking out on a situation and refusing to take responsibility.
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@matthewbrooks5643 Abortion is taking responsibility. And whether or not its moral is up to debate
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You do realize plenty of polyamorous people are asexual right? Or only have sex with one partner? I'm poly and have twins, and they're incredibly happy. You sound very ignorant. Also, you should learn the definitions of words before you use them.
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Pediatrician's have an MD...MD stands of Doctorate of Medicine.
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Since when? If a relationship is only between two people, then a family unit isn't a relationship. Where in the definition does it list only 2 people? In fact, the definition literally states "two or more".
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@ronans9680 If we're speaking legally, no. No they don't. They can. Doesn't mean they will. You are making that decision for them without their imput, so why can't I? Yes. Yes it is. If the fetus doesn't care, why do you?
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What's the problem with multiple consenting adults dating?
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Not necessarily you don't. Private sales take place at gun shows all the time, and there is no background check required for private sales.
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Vegans abstain from all animal products, including clothing.
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You can't get rid of guns. That's a physical impossibility. No, making guns easier to obtain for law abiding citizens will help drastically lower mass shootings.
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@xtrey4437 Uhhh. Yes there are. Private sales are under no legal obligation to do background checks in a majority of states.
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Yeah, but then again, the Bible also says your supposed to slaughter those who are not of Christ. So... Also, if God sends me to hell because he couldn't be bothered to give me evidence of his existence, he's a despicable monster.
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@steveschnur1728 2 Chronicles 15 12-13: 12 And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul,13 but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. This is why the Bible shouldn't be acknowledged. It is full of contradictions. Also, Jesus did a lot of shitty things as well. Circular reasoning. The Bible saying God exists does not prove it.
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Thats not a proven fact as that depends entirely on geographical location. Legumes, grains and fruits are very rarely more expensive than meat and eggs. Just depends on where you live.
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Actually, no they're not. We're near the middle.
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@conradmerrywether9438 Thats not what determines your food chain status on a scientific level. They're based on trophic levels. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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@conradmerrywether9438 Because I simply corrected you? Sucks for you then.
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No it hasn't. Its a fact. Facts can't be debunked. Doesn't mean its a good argument, but fetuses are just clumps of cells. All organic life is clumps of cells.
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@Humanity Galatica True. That's why its a bad argument.
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You mean like Abraham who was certainly NOT monogamous?
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Yes you should. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. One of the first things crisis centers reccomend is an abortion. There are already thousands of children waiting to be adopted. Guess what? Sex isn't just about kids. Why are the children of rape or those with medical issues lives worth less huh? Why do they deserve to be aborted? They did nothing wrong. Hypocrisy.
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@davijr9877 Because you dislike and disagree with their very identity
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You can be. A woman here got a 20 year prison sentence for negligent homicide because she refused to vaccinate her daughter who subsequently died to pneumonia caused by chicken pox.
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Thats sex, not gender. And if you want to be really technical, there aren't two sexes either. You can't be both? What about chomosomal mutations? What about people born with both genatalia?
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@Mark-go7qm That child support line is so tiring. There are many routes a father or mother could take to not pay child support. Child support is not a right. Bodily autonomy is.
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@Humanity Galatica Your duty is only to you. No one else. You are first in your own life.
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@Humanity Galatica To live for someone else is to live foolishly.
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@Humanity Galatica Nope. The individual will always come before the collective.
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The old man said a lot wrong. He has no idea what the definitions of words are and tried to claim someone else's stance. That's not only rude, but ignorant. "I left Christianity because the Bible doesn't allow me to leave an abusive marriage, and my own father even condemns me" is a perfectly reasonable reason to leave a faith. While I agree this could have been done better, you aren't critically thinking about what was said.
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@GringoleboZebulon She said "my father told me I was going to hell when I was in an abusive marriage." By Biblical standards, her father would be correct. She would be going to hell. Yes, atheism and agnosticism are two different things. But they are not mutually exclusive. He was wrong by saying she was an agnostic and not an atheist. She's both. That's what she was trying to correct. Your opinion is wrong when the facts don't line up with it.
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Beatrice de Waal An agnostic is someone who doesn't know. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. She is an agnostic atheist.
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On the moral aspect, its because predators need to eat other animals to survive. They're carnivores and need a meat based diet. They also lack a sense of right and wrong. Humans don't need meat to be healthy. We eat it because we want to. And to some vegans, thats wrong. Especially since animals are on a hierarchy.
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No its not. And its been continuously disproven that it is. It deters no one but those who would have never committed in the first place. It does not deter criminals.
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You realize that not everyone on the ASPD spectrum are violent right?
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@Michael5221 Ahh no problem.
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Not so much a false narrative as it is a red herring.
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The only thing I disagree on is yhr background checks. Background checks are only required if purchasing from a dealer. Private sales are under no such restrictions in most states.
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That would only do more damage.
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My body, my choice. Not my fault the fetus dies outside my uterus.
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You don't need meat to be healthy unless you have a deficiency that requires it.
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@janieswanson2549 In general, no. You don't need meat to be healthy. However, there are people out there that do, so I personally think ethical vegans should stop the hostility and everyone should find a diet that suits them, whether that be meat, pescatarian, vegetarian or vegan. I was vegan for about 11 years, but developed health problems that required me to eat meat. I know many unhealthy vegans, a fact I have never denied. But I know many more unhealthy meat eaters, some of their health problems a direct result of their meat consumption. I was healthier as a vegan than I was when I ate meat. Now I am healthier as an omnivore, because going vegan is no londer an option for me.
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@janieswanson2549 Yes I was vegan. I abstained from all animal based products with the exception of necessity and practicality. If you want to argue that this is not what veganism is, then please argue with a linguist. It was not needless. I require a phone and computer in order to work and I required medication that had animal products in them. This is still very much allowed in veganism, but again, you only argue in literal definitions. No, I'm not a liar. You just don't seem to understand how language works. But if calling me names makes you feel better, go ahead. It only reflects poorly on you.
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Not on private sales.
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It's not being a bleeding heart to understand the death penalty is a useless system.
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In most places you can. Just find a private seller.
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@stargate565 There are also a lot of people who think they have the flu when they don't. On top of that, the flu is a disease that easily mutates. The flu vaccine only covers about 5 strains every year.
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@scottpe6226 My comment stated that if the new accusations brought against him turned out to be true than he will have violated his probation and will loose his license.
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@scottpe6226 He wrote medical exemptions for children who were not medically exempt from vaccines because he does not believe in them. Those are false documents and he's lucky the board didn't take his license then. That is gross negligence.
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@scottpe6226 He has mentioned multiple times that he doesn't believe vaccines help. He wouldn't make up medical exemptions for patients if he believed vaccines were helpful. If he claims he believes in vaccines, his actions certainly don't show it.
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Really? That's a disgusting view point.
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You would pay 3 times more to put them on death row where they have more privalges. So what exactly is your argument? You ultimately pay less for a lifer than you do for a condemned.
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@hi5_centipedes874 And you understand why they wait so long on death row correct?
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Except we're not scientifically...food chains have nothing to do with what your "primary" prey is. It has to do with what you eat.
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@mrthoughts-vj3cl Food chains are based on what you can consume as a whole, not what is usual. A hyena would eat a human given the option. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves. Scientifically, we are near the middle.
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@mrthoughts-vj3cl Again, that's not what scientifically defines a food chain. We base these are trophic levels. From primary producers to apex predators. Again, To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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@mrthoughts-vj3cl Actually, apex predators are animals that only eat meat and has few or no predators of its own. Humans are not carnivores.
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@alitabaker99 So you don't have a response for being wrong.
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@alitabaker99 Then you'd still be incorrect. Do you not understand the difference between being a human and a human being?
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One can easily take a firm stance on it.
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@kankereganbada1184 Most actually can.
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@kankereganbada1184 You can. That's fine.
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Most nail polishes on the market now are vegan. Depends on the company.
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The husband would not have gotten the death penalty. Capital punishment is not necessary or beneficial and should be done away with
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ayan Nuur Its not murder. The fetus doesn't care if you abort it. It physically can't care. No, you should be thinking about the future. That's why women choose to make the decision to abort. Care about the quality of life a child will have please
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Thats a system that can be easily abused, is up to interpretation and would be horribly misused
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@Neotype33 No. The death penalty has never been a deterrent, and that has been continuously proven. By the way, even with an appeal system in place, it would still be abused. Let me pose to you a scenario: A person you do not know walks onto your property. You feel threatened because they have a weapon on them and shoot them, killing them. Would you classify this as self-defense? Because any logical court would not. Some courts don't even run the self-defense line even when a person enters your house, as long as you have a means of escape. By your law, they would be put to death. Does that sound reasonable to you?
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@Neotype33 Actually, even if a gun is pointed at you, in some courts, that STILL wouldn't be self-defense. Self-defense is when you are cornered and have no other option other than to fight back. If you honestly believe thats reasonable, or that your vision would somehow make the justice system better, you are deluded.
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@Neotype33 You shoot to stop a threat. If someone points a gun at you, and you can't get away, then you shoot to stop an active threat. I work with police for a living. I don't think its okay to point a gun at someone and never said that.
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@Neotype33 It was only to provide context and to show you I understood what you meant. I'm certainly not the absolute authority.
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A sovereign decision that potentially is a danger to public health deserves to be ridiculed and hated. Just as those who have legitimately suffered from vaccine related injuries deserve to be taken seriously.
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Are you being sarcastic? Because we're not at the top of the food chain.
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@godlybutterfly5070 No I'm not. But if you're referring to a food chain, predators in the highest trophic levels, called apex predators. These include things like Killer Whales, Wolves and Big cats.
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@godlybutterfly5070 Umm no. Thats not how trophic levels work.
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@godlybutterfly5070 Explain what?
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Health, environment, morals...those are my 3 main reasons. In order of importance.
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Laws should be practical. The death penalty provides no benefit and should be abolished.
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@jamessmith4287 You aren't obligated to save them any more than you are obligated to save a fetus. If you stand by and do nothing as someone dies, some would argue you're killing them. That's all abortion is. The death of an unborn fetus.
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@jamessmith4287 You aren't allowing your body to be used. Its no different.
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No you don't. Practice what you preach and get educated.
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If you're doing a vegan diet right and you are healthy, you won't he malnourished or missing vitamins. There is nothing, other than B12, that is naturally found in meat that cannot be found in a vegan diet. And B12 can be added to fortified milks. I don't care what you eat, but please. Stop spreading misinformation.
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Just because someone supports the right to have an abortion does not mean they want to see children be aborted, idiot. A fetus is not a child. Theres a biological difference.
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@meka610 As did you, in resorting to calling me a child killer. You had already made it clear you had no interest in discussion. By the way, being or acting idotic in a particular subject is not a bad thing. Your first comment did exactly the same thing, so I don't know what your on about. And yes it does, because it shows you have a lack of an understand for basic biology.
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María Leonor Cobo So it's shitty that I stand up for my autonomy over my own body?
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What do you define as mentally unstable? 60% of the population has mental illness. Should I be denied my rights because I have autism? Or depression?
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@valfromtheblock Oh, so I lose my rights because of a mental disorder I can't control? Sounds a lot like discrimination.
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Pro choice does not mean pro abortion. You're killing a non-sentient fetus that happens to have human DNA. "That person would have a life, have a brain, memories etc." That is not true in all circumstances, and is not inherently a good thing.
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Not true. Private sales have no restrictions on guns in most states, and they happen at shows all the time. You don't need a background check on a private sale in 75% of the country.
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And thats not a good thing in my opinion. I don't think there should be a death penalty in any circumstances.
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I don't know any polycule that does not have all members tested before any sexual activity occurs. Also...monogamous people can contract STD'S as well.
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Thats a broad and baseless generalization
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@chanlersimmons7711 Its not. I'm a perfectly healthy vegan.
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@chanlersimmons7711 Thats also a broad generalization that is simply not true. I could show you pictures of Olympic gold medalists that you would never know were vegan. My point is to not make broad statements. You make yourself look unintelligent.
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@chanlersimmons7711 What you eat doesn't determine an accent. If you were to talk to me, you'd never know I was vegan unless I told you.
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She's an agnostic atheist. Anyone who is honest is "agnostic".
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"I love everyone but I actually don't because I don't believe in the very being of who you are."
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@Orinoco Flow You are incapable of loving a person when you hate the very thing that makes them who they are.
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@Orinoco Flow I do know the definition of love. I believe it is you that doesn't understand love.
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@relaxwithnature6532 You cannot love sombody if you dislike a part of who they are. You shame people into thinking they're wrong when you are actively against a part of what makes them who they are. That is NOT love.
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@Orinoco Flow How would you like me to define it? Established definition? Colloquial definition? Personal definition?
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@Orinoco Flow Which definiton? It has numerous. You're avoiding the subject because you look like an ass when you shame them into hating themselves while telling them its "because you care".
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Vegans abstain from all animal based clothing as well.
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Except it makes you a hypocrite. You had the right to abort, but you want to take that right away from EVERYONE because YOU had a bad experience. Not only does that make you extremely hypocritical, that implies EVERYONE will have a bad reaction when that isn't true.
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You are one of the ones spreading misinformation. Because it does exist. Although it really isnt a loophole. It refers to private sales at gun shows, where no background check is necessary in most states.
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@Immortal 833 No it isn't. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.
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@justanothercommenter618 Murder: The unlawful killing of one human being by another. 1. A fetus is not legally considered a human being (something even I, being pro-choice, do not agree with) 2. Abortion is not unlawful. Killing does not always equate to murder.
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And what about people who are polyamorous but asexual? Do you have the same feeling about them? You also do know that most polyamorous relationships are not open right? And that statistically, most people who have STD's are monogamous?
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Lizzie Allen Being for or against abortion has nothing to do with beibg Christian. Thats a no true scotsman fallacy. Also the Bible condones abortion.
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@cowhunter4231 As if only polyamorous people do that.
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That is called projection.
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Yeah okay. Let me just invite the person trying to harm me to come about 10 feet from me so it'll reach. Sounds like a plan.
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Gabe Kiser So force a mother who is emotionally, financially or physically unable to handle a child, birth it and potentially either die or abuse It? You don't even bother looking at it from other perspectives do you?
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Its not always required to buy a gun. It depends on what state you're in and whether the vendor holds an FFL license. Also no. If that gun is purchased legally, then the person who sold it to you is NOT LIABLE unless they sold it to you knowing it was illegal for you to have one. Could you please actually learn the law before commenting?
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@bret3925 You're comment said nothing about licensed vendors. You said ALL vendors. That's not true. By the way, I wasn't bashing you.
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@bret3925 You're referring to FFL dealers, which I am perfectly aware of. My point was not all "vendors" at a gun show are dealers. You do not need an FFL license to sell at a show. Those sales are considered private and do not require a background check.
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@bret3925 I'm sorry that you don't use proper language, because a vendor would be anyone selling a firearm. The word you should of used to be correct would be dealer. I know full well what the law is. Its my job.
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There are plenty of vegans out there who are not assholes, who fit into the same category you put vegetarians in.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Nope, because you would discredit it and I am not you. If you want to research, its out there. Read some studies on both ends of the spectrum and deduct your conclusions from there.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I'm not incapable. I choose not to go down that road anymore. If you want the information, its out there.
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Better for you in general? Cheaper depending on where you live? Better for the environment? Ethical reasons? These are all the reasons I hear most often.
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@thankyouforbeingafriend9632 I said eating a vegan or vegetarian diet is in general better for your health than a diet with a lot of meat. How does that not make sense to you?
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Yeah sure. Why not prove that?
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@strive4252 Anyone can write anything. "We know that everything in this world has a creator." That doesn't mean the world itself has a creator or that it was "created" by a someone. That is something you have yet to prove. "All things had a creator and a beginning" Except apparently God. So why is he exempt from this rule. "Scientists acknowledge that the universe had a beginning" No actually. They don't. A lot of scientists have stated the theory that the universe has always existed. You keep using the word creation like you have proven the world was created by a someone. But that hasn't been proven.
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@strive4252 There is no proof there is a God. Just because a priest proposed the Big Bang theory doesn't mean his belief in God was real. God and science do not compliment each other. One requires faith and the ither requires evidence.
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@strive4252 I respectfully disagree with you. I don't think the Church had anything to do with it. I think it was man's natural curiosity that drove that. Correct. They were also known to abuse and mistreat patients. Faith can't be "warped" because its not an objective concept. Your faith will never match that of another individuals. Faith is exactly blind trust. It is based on "reason" that has not been confirmed with evidence. You would not need faith in something to begin with if you understand it is true. Yeah. I'll remember that the next time the church covers up its gay conversion therapy or the next priest molests a child/children.
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@Vox Populi You have not proven the existence of a God nor that we as a species are "created". Evoultion is a thing, whether you want to believe it or not. If you want to claim we were made in God's image, you have to prove it.
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@Vox Populi There is 0 proof that a God exists, let alone that it is YOUR God that exists. Nature is proof only of the existence of the planet. The universe has never been proven to have been created. You are here partially due to evoultion. A soul has also never been proven to exist. The vastness of nature is not proof of creation. Actually, no they don't. The Bible gets a lot of things blantently wrong. 1. Actually no they haven't. Scientists argue that it is just as likely that the Universe has always existed. We do not know yet. 2. Something cannot be derived from nothing only in our current world and knowledge of physics here on Earth. That does not mean its the same rules outside of our understanding.
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@Vox Populi It is you who holds the burden of proof, as you are making a positive claim that must be defended with evidence. You have no evidence that proves a) A God exists and b) Your specific God exists. I have read the Bible. Its full of inaccuracies, disgusting morals, and contradictions. The Holy Spirit has never been proven to exist and you are not being truthful. You are trying to convince me that your belief is truth, when that has not been established.
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@Vox Populi You claim God exists. I do not claim a God does not exist. The burden of proof is on you. You are making a positive claim. I make no claim one way or the other. No. The burden of proof hasn't been met. You have yet to establish a God exists. My evidence for what? I make no claim. I need no evidence. Contradictions? Here's one. How about the Sabbath Day? “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.” — Exodus 20:8 “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” — Romans 14:5 Or how about seeing God? “… I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” — Genesis 32:30 “No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18 How about the disgusting morals that its good to beat your slaves? How about killing nonbelievers? Or that a woman must marry her rapist? How are these acts moral? Again, I make no claim so I need no evidence.
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@Vox Populi 1. Science has NOT established that the universe had a beginning. We still do not know this. 2. Scientists have only established that something cannot come from nothing in our current understanding of physics. That may not have always been then case, nor may that be the case outside of the Earth. 3. The human body is capable of malfunctioning pretty badly, and having life-limiting mutations. 4. The human mind has nothing to do with God. We wouldn't have a field of psychology if this was that complex. 5. Yeah? That's also in line with the Greek, Roman, Egyptian, Muslim, Pagan and Jewish God/Gods. 6. No, that isn't true. And the way we date things have changed throughout human history, a subject I'm convinced you failed. I would get your head out of your biased ass.
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I think she is referring to the misunderstanding with private sales.
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@codnoob1152 That is absolute bullshit. A woman would just go to your local back alley to get an abortion, probably resulting in both the mother and the fetuses death.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 No, I know it happens. Because I fucking deal with the corpses. Its like a druggie. You outlaw all drugs, they'll just find a different way to get their supply.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Just because I'm pro choice doesn't mean I'm pro abortion. I would love to live in a world where abortions did not happen, and every child could be well cared for. "Only 1% of abortions end in back alley abortions" Bullshit. If that statistic is true, that's reported abortions. Do you really think every back alley abortion is reported? No. And just because the abortions dont happen in Poland doesn't mean they dont happen. Women will just leave for a country that has abortions. Yes, I've been around drugs. I've been around both living and dead people who use drugs. I'm not being deceitful. Have I seen someone actually have a back alley abortion? No. Have I seen bodies of women who tried to have a back alley abortion an exaungated themselves? Yes. So don't tell me it doesn't happen.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Big Mac without cheese I wish people didn't get abortions, but I dont believe banning abortion is the way to end it and support the right to choose. Does that make more sense? Just because I support the right to choose doesn't mean I'm happy to see fetuses aborted. So no. I'm not "pro abortion." Your statistics mean nothing without the evidence to back it up. You won't "save their babies". They'll just abuse and neglect them until they either die or are put in the system. Pay any person the right amount, and they'll do anything. I'm not necessarily talking about "underground abortion clincs". I use the term "back alley abortions" generally to mean any abortion procedure not done by a licencensed physician. Hell, you can probably pay them off too to give you one illegally. A woman who cannot raise a child, and is hellbent on abortion, will find a way. Considering 50% of crimes go unreported, yeah. You can get away with it. That woman doesn't WANT to kill her fetus in over 90% of cases. She feels she MUST! Anyone who has been victimized is a victim, criminal or not. This kind of stuff is one of the reasons I became an FI. To try and help end this.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 ummm yes. Many mothers who are forced to give birth to children they cannot care for end up neglecting them. If you cannot care for yourself, how can you possibly care for a child? A fetus is not a baby, biologically or medically. The issue shouldn't be life. It should be sentientence. A fetus, at the time of most abortions, cannot care what happens to it, as it lacks a brainstem. Because that's what it is. It's a fetus. That's the technical term for it. Medically, it isnt considered a baby until after its born. That's the appropriate term, so that's what I call it. I'm not buying into propaganda by calling a fetus what it medically is. I'm sorry if you feel that dehumanizes the potential life, but that's not my problem. Genocide? You're comparing human sentient beings with non-sentient developing humans. Big difference. No, what I'm saying is there are people who will take advantage of a person's weakness to make a profit, no matter if it puts the person's life in danger. Most people dont perform "self inflected abortions" because they dont always work, and you can severely damage yourself in the process. That is lunacy. Yes, humans have a natural instinct for survival. That doesn't mean everyone listens to it. If that were the case, suicide and self harm would not exist. No, I'm not doing anything illegal. Using a screen name is not illegal, nor is providing fake information to a website you dont pay for. (Even though none of the information I gave was fake) I majored in criminal justice, and have a bachelors in forensic science. In 2017, only 64% of murders and negligent homicides were cleared, so dont tell me 90% of murders get solved. That's just lies. Not only that, but other violent crimes (bulgarly, assault, rape) have an ever LOWER clear rate, if they're even reported at all. No one is misleading you. You just either dont have the energy or time to learn these things.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Would that make it easier for you? I could call you a homo sapien if you preferred. You want to call it dehumanizing unborn children. I want to stop see you children die to abuse and be mistreated by the system. Sorry that you laugh when I call it what is is. I know some of the law I break. I'm just currently not breaking any. If you've ever speeded, youve broke the law. Well it's not my fault you flunked college. College teaches you a lot, even more when you can get hands on experience. So yeah. I do know what I'm talking about. You really think that women want to have abortions or jump to it as a first choice. That's no my problem that you're misinformed. You're peo life up until you're 14 year old sister wants an abortion. Then you'll be all for it. Only when its convenient for you.
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Big Mac without cheese I'm not religious and dont believe in demons. And it's not convenient to have an abortion. It's a lot of money. It's a procedure health insurance doesn't cover. Its emotionally and physically demanding. A fetus doesn't care if you abort it. A fetus isnt sentient. There is a difference between a baby and a fetus. The gorilla outcry surprised me too. Fine. Then you pay for the child for 18 years. You give it the physical and emotional care it needs. You guys love to preach about abortion, but would never consider fostering or adopting a child. I care about the issue as well. I've paid women to have the neo natal care necessary JUST so they wouldn't have an abortion. If I can talk someone out of it, I will. Most of the pro life people don't look at both sides. I DO look at both sides. I see how horrible an abortion can be. But I also see what happens to a child left in the care of an unfit parent. Sexually immoral? Really? That only exists for religious people. You're not a whore for getting an abortion. You use these words like you know what they mean. It's not cowardly, degenerate or anti human to realize you cannot provide for a child. Abortion is just another responsible decision. You people are hypocrites.
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Big Mac without cheese Yes I have. I use it on a fairly regular basis, especially when dealing with comatose patients. I'm sorry you've never taken a biology, anatomy or early childhood class. I've never asked a pregnant woman "hows your baby". Its always "how are you?" No, I'm glad it was legal. Because if it wasn't, I know women who would have potentially harmed themselves permentaly to have an abortion. Or they would have had the baby and then neglected it or abused it. Depends on where you live. And that should certainly be looked into before an abortion. Very very few women consider abortion as a first option. It's often a last resort. It's not free to give a child up for adoption. Adoption agencies have turned children away, because they lack the space and funding necessary. Not only that, but there's no guarentee that child will ever be adopted. What happens then? They're kicked out at 18 with nothing. You think it's a lot better than being killed? Then talk to the children every day who say "I wish I had been aborted". Talk to children who end up committing suicide because it's so bad. You're right. Successful people have come out of foster care. Serial killers and suicide victims have also come out of foster care. According to what? The Bible? They often don't think about the consequences, but that doesn't mean they dont care. Sex is a natural instinct, and some people cannot take birth control. A whore is someone who sleeps for money. If you're sleeping with one person, you're not a whore. Murder is by definition unlawful. So no, abortion is not murder, at least in the states. I can never understand that either. Especially when they're sentient and born. But you would rather watch them be neglected after they're born than abort them when they aren't sentient. Sorry. But you're the one who sounds brainwashed. They aren't selfish. They cared enough about their unborn to make a difficult choice because they could not handle raising it. Not all humans have a natural urge to love. I don't believe in God, so I can't say they will punish anyone. You really shouldn't be so judgemental.
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All the vegans I personally know get more than enough protein. Soybeans are a complete protein that contains more protein per ounce than beef without the risks. If a vegan is protein deficient, they're doing something wrong. You should eat what is best for you and what you enjoy.
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That isn't true though. Private sales do not need background checks in most states. Being badly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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As someone who's sister was raped and murdered in front of her when she was a child, I still heartily oppose the death penalty. As does nearly 65% of victims.
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The fetus is attached to the woman. It does not live and survive without its host mother for a period of time. Abortion is not murder.
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Because that is proven to be unhealthy. Study human psychology.
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Most vegans are normal.
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M Its not abelist to state a fact. You really shouldn't play the abelist card with a person who was disabled by people like you. Tell me. You get upset when hospitals perform slow codes? When they perform DNR's? Thats the exact same principle.
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Not true at all. Perfectly easy to have equal groundwork with multiple people. Its just hard work.
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Yeah. Where the homicide rate has tripled and there's vast amounts of fire bombings and stabbings.
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Tell that to the kids who never get adopted and end up killing themselves or landing themselves in prison...
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Except sceintists and MD's aren't usually pro life and would never argue for that.
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I'm sorry that you suffer with dysphoria, but if you truly believe there are only 2 genders, you're just objectively wrong. Gender is a social construct, and there are people who do not identify either male or female.
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@kaeceythepanda1564 To argue that gender is not a social construct just makes you wrong. Facts do not care about your feelings. Sex is biological. Of course people Identifying as neither doesn't change their biology. But how about people who have chromosomal mutations such as XXY or XXX or XXYY? Would you classify them as either of the two sexes from a medical perspective? No. Because they do not fall into that catagory. You are free to live how you like but again, facts don't care about your feelings.
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@kaeceythepanda1564 Gender being a social construct is a fact, whether you would like to admit it or not. I would seriously consider taking a high school or college level psychology class. Actually, medically, having a chromosomal abnormality does not make you either sex, something I know first hand in my line of work. They will not list you as either male or female, and will go into specific detail as to what abnormality you have. In life, you decide personally what you identify as. You have no basic understanding of the difference between sex and gender. That is the only thing you are objectively wrong about.
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Then he has that avenue he can take.
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@haza123b4 An atheist doesn't believe anything. I dont need faith to lack a belief in a God.
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I'm not a vegan for ethical reasons, but why aren't animals equal to humans? Animal abuse is a felony...
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Sasha Shirikova Atheists do no believe a god does not exist. That is an anti theist. Most, if not all, atheists are agnostic atheists, a person who does not know whether or not a god exists but doesn't believe in one.
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It deters no one. Only those who would not have committed the crime in the first place. There is no gene that makes you a killer and putting them in prison removes their potential to do it again (assuming the prison is compotent).
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Not really. Private sales exist. So more of a kinda situational half-truth.
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@a1cdrennon Not really. Private sales happen at shows as well.
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I legitimately do not know any doctors who have not already lost their license or are in danger of loosing their license that are anti-vaccine.
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I don't think you understood. He was saying its seductive to think there's a master plan for everyone, which is what Christians believe. He was explaining why he was atheistic and why some may be enticed to pursue religion.
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So we're morons because we DON'T believe in a big man in the sky who's constantly judging everything you do? Well shit.
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@appalachiahiker853 That literally makes no sense. Not believing in something with 0 evidence is being honest, nor moronic.
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No one laughs at those who are against vaccines for themselves because of a negative reaction. We laugh at those who, because of said negative reaction, now believe vaccines are horrible and no one should get them.
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Most people who claim to be pro-life aren't actually pro-life. They support abortion in special circumstances and are fine with euthanasia.
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@johanne8260 Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life is against abortion in all circumstances, regardless of rape or medical circumstances. They're also completely against euthanasia for any reason. You're pro-choice.
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No, we shouldn't normalize sex until marriage. Because sex until marriage is a terrible concept. You should just normalize what sex is, and why its so important to be as safe as you can, whether or not that includes abstinence. No, children have broken homes because feelings change. If you wait until marriage, what happens if you aren't sexually compatible? Then you have to go through an entire legal process instead of just breaking up. Guess what? 34% of couples who get divorced waited until marriage and divorced because they were not sexually compatible. That's millions of people.
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Lizzie Allen Your turning a legal issue into a moral one. Stop it. Abortion is not a moral issue.
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Because being anti-gun prevents violence. Okay. Tell the cops next time you need them not to bring their guns. See how that goes.
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@minty6347 Yeah, and thats why they had to ban knives when their knife violence nearly tripled. To the point that the homicide rate of London was WORSE than that of the NYC. Britain did not invent a police force. Forces akin to public defense have been around for millennia. And actually, there are not only states, but countries that allow open carry that have lower violent crime rates than GB. We don't have a gun violence epidemic, and its sad that you've fallen for that crap. Also no. A vast majority of gun control advocates are pushing for an outright ban on firearms.
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Its not necessarily wrong to eat meat, but on the ethical side of it, you are killing a sentient animal. Its certainly a better alternative on the environmental side. We're only classified as omnivorous because we still have canine teeth. And while meat won't harm you in moderation, most bodys don't get any benefit from meat they couldn't get elsewhere, other than taste of course. Theres no longer a reason to eat meat except pallet pleasure. If all the vegans you've met are unhealthy, then they aren't eating right. I've never met an unhealthy vegan. Soybeans contain more protein than beef. If they aren't getting proper nutrition, they're doing something wrong. But no one should be shamed for their diet lifestyle.
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I think it would be pretty hard to get death row or prison inmates here, since that where you would be if you completely folliwed the Bible.
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Not if the sale is private. Federal background checks only apply to FFL dealers. The rest is left up to the state.
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Being redeemable or not is not the issue. If a law is not practical and does not benefit society, it shojld be done away with.
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@yashsalve7702 I'm one of those people totally against it. It should be abolished. Not because of a moral reason, but because it isn't practical.
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@yashsalve7702 Luckily, that is how the world works. Most modern countries do not have capital punishment, and we are eradicating it in the states.
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@sarahebert2510 More expensive, not a deterrent, doesn't lower crime rate, risks putting an innocent person to death. What practical reason is there for the death penalty.
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@sarahebert2510 Yes it is more expensive. You are not taking into account the death row and unlimited appeals process. Depending on the state and circumstances, taxpayers pay about a million dollars more for an execution than a life inmate. Congrats on proving you didn't do any research.
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Yes there is. Poor nomenclature doesn't equate to non-existence. It refers to private sales at shows.
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I'd save my cat over a living human stranger.n
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The top three countries with the lowest crime rates have open carry. The states that have the highest gun homicides have the strictest gun laws.
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@immortalspartan4421 Because a fetus isn't a person. And you don't have the right to live at the expense of someone else. That's why we don't force blood or organ donations
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@immortalspartan4421 Speaking in terms of a pregnant person's fetus, it is always human. It is human from implantation.
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@MS-dv4st I don't believe in "most important right" even if a fetus had them, which it doesn't. Someone does not get to live off someone else's body. These rights are equal.
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@angelibasa8440 No, stripping away a woman's rights is forcing her to give birth at all. Pro-life by definition would not allow for a woman to have an abortion if she is raped. So how is that consensual? You do understand that abortion is also dealing with the consequences as much as motherhood and adoption is right? No, she did not. Consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy. These are two different actions. I draw the line at abortion when the fetus is sentient, and this is LONG after abortion is an option for those without medical complications.
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@angelibasa8440 So then which is it? Are you against abortion for rape? Because if you aren't, you're not pro-life. You know why you will never ban abortion? Because that would violate the Constitution. You have a right to liberty, and it is equal to the right to life. Your analogy doesn't work. These two scenarios are not comparable. One of them violates the law. The other violates a sentient beings constitutional rights. 20 weeks would be sentience. That would go past the option for myself personally. No, studies don't show that. Sentience is the ability to feel. This develops when the brainstem and neural network fuse, around the end of the first trimester and 15 weeks max.
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@angelibasa8440 Then you would be against the Constitution. Yes, I am. No it doesn't. Stealing from someone is in no way comparable. No, I said I support abortion for any reason up until the point of sentience and, in my opinion, viability. There is no federal law on abortion, and even though most state laws cut off anywhere between 20-26 weeks, most doctors won't perform abortions for no medical purpose beyond 13 weeks. However, that is in my experience. Its not nearly the amount you claim. 97% of abortions take place before 9 weeks.
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@angelibasa8440 So you're against bodily autonomy being a Constitutional right? These things aren't analogous. Jail time for violating the rights of others is not comparable to bein denied bodily autonomy. Just because someone consents to the act of sense does not mean they consent to their organ being used. Late-term abortions are exclusively done for medical purposes. I am speaking as it pertains to the law, not when I personally think the fetus is viable. Just because a person states they would be comfortable performing something does not mean they do it. I think people have the right to be racist and homophobic. Doesn't mean I take part in that.
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@angelibasa8440 So you are against bodily autonomy. You do not think a woman should get to decide if another living being uses her organ. You are ignoring the question, because you know it opens you up to further questioning. No it isn't. A fetus is property under the law, just as cattle and pets are. The only difference is one is sentient and the other is not. I don't see the issue with performing an abortion on an inconvenient or unwanted pregnancy. That does not mean they would perform the abortion illegally, even if they're okay with it. Why is he a vile man? Because he said humans are a cancer? We can be. Why does stating that immediately mean he has no empathy?
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No, people don't get vaccines because they're scared of the possibility of having a side effect, or believe their side effect was releated to a vaccine.
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Doctor Disney You're right on agnosticism. You're wrong on atheism. People commonly mix up "Atheism" with "Anti-Theism". An atheist doesn't believe in a God. An anti theist is someone who claims to know as fact God is not real. Nancy, like most, is an agnostic atheist. She does not deny a God could exist, but does not believe in one.
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Prove it.
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Except the issue is, you DON'T have the authority to USE my body without my permission. That fetus HARMS the mother without proper care.
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@kevinsarulis4067 What does innocence have to do with anything? Abstinence does not work, and is actually unhealthy if you have a sex drive. Abstinence also doesn't help after the fact. Contraception fails and cannot be used by everyone. I understand and agree on a base level with what you're saying, but it doesn't fix the issue. Again, a fetus isn't ripped apart limb from limb. I thought you wanted to stop the spread of misinformation, yet you're spreading it. Fetuses do not feel pain until several weeks after most abortions are performed. That's not universal and you know that. Plenty of people I know were kicked out by people and their church when they got pregnant. And really? Donation campaigns are proven ineffective. Only if you have a large enough following or if you are promoted by a big person can you have any hope of raising enough money a child requires. There's a reason abortion has never been overturned.
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@Humanity Galatica Abstinence is unhealthy if you have a high sex drive. For someone like me? No problem. But when you force yourself to ignore something that your body needs, you react violently. I'm not saying its bad to stay abstinent. I'm saying its bad to ignore sexual urges.
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@Humanity Galatica No. But part of what causes people to rape is being told they MUST remain abstinent, instead of being taught healthy sexual habits.
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@Humanity Galatica Rape also happens when sexual urges are neglected.
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@Humanity Galatica That's exactly what I said. Its more likely when you force yourself to ignore it.
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Depends on the state. While I've never heard of someone buying 20 guns at a time, 3rd party vendors often sell at shows here. They don't give background checks.
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No. Humans and apes have a common ancestor.
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Depends on the show. I'm by no means rich, and have never had a background check at a show.
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The fetal tissue has been the same cells from its parent in the 60's. And you consume aluminum naturally. Your standard vaccines you should get if you are able. You're fine because everyone around you is vaccinated, which makes it difficult for these viruses to incubate and become communicable.
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There is absolutely no reason to respect a person that actively causes harm to others and who doesn't care about the people they hurt. If you deny science in that manner, you deserve to be ridiculed.
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@issuesthatmatter2825 We don't place value on life and we never have. We have always placed value on sentience.
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Life doesn't matter. Sentience does.
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Depends on the state and if you're buying from a FFL licensed purveyor or a private seller.
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I'm against the death penalty for practical reasons. It's too expensive. It's not a deterrent. And it doesn't lower the crime rate
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Most atheists are also agnostic.
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@pancon9947 So...you just proved my point. I am an agnostic atheist.
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@pancon9947 Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. Anyone who is honest is agnostic.
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Tall T.S.S Thats...exactly what I said. And actually, most agnostics I know are theists.
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Tall T.S.S Anyone who has any belief should be agnostic. Agnostic simply means "I don't know". Even if you are a theist and believe in a God, that doesn't mean you claim to know God is real.
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Except their not. They function better in a relationship with multiple partners. And by the way, that has nothing to do with being bisexual. You can be bisexual and monogamous.
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@nixxdra Cheating by definition can't be consensual. Its going behind your partner/s back.
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@nixxdra Except its not. Cheating: violation of a couple's assumed or stated contract regarding emotional and/or sexual exclusivity. If a person is in a polyamorous relationship, and all parties involved consent, it is not cheating. This is where metamors get involved. That is not cheating. You can still cheat in a poly relationship. Its not a lack of concern for their partners. Its about how their partners agree with what they are doing. You sound like you know nothing about polyamory. Being poly does not involve or end up in cheating. I have a healthier relationship than most monogamous people. Its just about preference. So I'd be careful using the term prejudice. Because thats what you're doing.
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@nixxdra I think you're a liar, since you equated polyamory to cheating, which it isn't. I have a need to argue with you because you are spreading misinformation.
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@nixxdra And if you had a negative experience with polyamory, its because you were never polyamorous in the first place, or you were literally cheated on. You tried to equate all polyamory with cheating. And your wrong.
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Not all polyamorous relationships are open. I would actually argue most of them are closed.
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Lizzie Allen Your rights end where someone else's begins.
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Fabiana No he's not. She's an agnostic atheist.
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Fabiana An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. All atheists are, or should be, agnostic. You are confusing an atheist with an anti theist, who outright denies a God exists (also called a Gnostic atheist, who are just as bad as Gnostic theists)
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You've never been to a state prison, have you?
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@Barrier Boy Yes I do.
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@Barrier Boy No, I'm just the FI who understands biology and law.
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@Barrier Boy What would you like to know?
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As a victim os a heinous crime, you are severely misinformed. Nearly 70% of victims are against the death penalty. Myself included.
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@chlorophyll6154 Or maybe I'm a rational person who understands the death penalty does nothing beneficial.
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Because its been proven they are not sentient, unless of course, you twist the definition of sentience. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively, neither of which is possible without a brain/brainstem.
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@chrisberg7862 Responding to outside stimuli does not equate to sentience. Sentience: the ability to think and feel subjectively. You CANNOT feel without a brain or brainstem. Plants are alive and they do respond to their environment and to stimuli. But they are not sentient.
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@chrisberg7862 That is not sentience.
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Adoption also isnt free. Its a legal process. Sometimes places will do it for free, but those are few and far between.
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@Jay-ms3lf Unless you are speaking about family, no. You cannot just give your child to a family for free. That is child trafficking. Adoption is a legal procedure.
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DNA is never totally irrefutable. It can be altered or forged.
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What does that teach? They already know they're crime isnt accepted. They simply don't care.
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Except they are also atheists, because they lack a belief in God. Agnostic is a useless and redundant term. It means "I don't know". Everyone should be agnostic.
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@caflorero Oh really? And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15: 12-13 You don't even know what your own Bible says.
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@nicholasgochenour7793 You can claim it was taken out of context, but it isn't. You can't give characteristics to a being you can't prove exists, so there is no understanding of God.
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@nicholasgochenour7793 Thats not true. But once again, you cannot begin to give characteristics to a being you have yet to prove exists. Once again, no I didn't take it out of context. I'm using it exactly as it is written. Whether it means something else is subjective, as everyone's interpretation is different
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@nicholasgochenour7793 I did indeed read your reply, and my stance doesn't change. Your premise is useless and doesn't mean anything. That is entirely subjective and is a fallacy called confirmation bias. People were right not to believe in germs until they could be proven to exist. That's called being skeptical. God is followed in blind faith. Actually, I'm working on my masters degree. I know exactly what it means to take something out of context, but you cannot take a subjective opinion out of context. Take your own advice.
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@nicholasgochenour7793 I know what a premise is. What I'm saying is your premise doesn't matter, because everyone's is different. Religion itself has different interpretations depending on who you ask. That's why subjectivity doesn't work in debates. You have to be as objective as possible. Why would he need those chateristics to be a God? He would only need those characteristics to be the God you happen to believe in. The premise of your argument is that God exists, but the arguement stops there because I demand proof that one does before I continue. I don't think God isn't real because he did an immoral act. I don't believe he is real because there is no evidence for one. No, that doesn't make me look ignorant. Its intellectually dishonest to blindly believe in something when there is no evidence for it. Thank you. I'm quite happy with my job. I make 6 figures and I love what I do.
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Lions, Tigers, Bears, Komodo Dragons, Hyenas and Crocodiles are all higher than us on the food chain. That's why their trophic level is man-eater.
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@toxicnarwhal13 Then you simply do not understand how scientific food chains work. If a predatory animal would actively hunt humans, instead of avoiding them, they are considered higher on the food chain.
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@toxicnarwhal13 No, I don't. Because you are objectively wrong. Man eaters are a higer trophic food chain level than we are. They are scientifically higher on the food chain.
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Or been to shady private dealings...
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There is never 100% evidence and confessions can be gotten under duress. There should be no death penalty.
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Its poorly named.
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Its not any less safe to walk outside in the US than it is in Europe. And just as a side note, much less painful to be shot than stabbed. Since you know. You had to ban knives because of stabbing epidemics.
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For starters, atheism is not a religion, nor is it a rejection of God. Its the rejection of the belief in God, the lack of a belief in God. Until you can provide me with evidence that a) a God(s) exist and b) Your specific God(s) exist, it is honest for me to be an atheist, because I don't feel I should believe in anything without evidence.
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@crewsforchrist762 Religion: the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Atheism cannot be a religion, because atheists lack a belief in a God. As for proof, no. You don't owe me anything. However, the burden of proof for those you want to see your side is on you. You are the one who makes a positive claim. I was a Christian the majority of my life. Only when I tested myself from an unbiased perspective did I realize I had no reason to believe in God. I do not need a God to be happy and lead a fulfilling life.
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Its not so much a myth as it is poorly named. Its not just gunshows and its not a loophole.
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They don't always.
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Considering most pro-choice people draw the line at sentience, I fail to see your point. Its human no matter what. That's not the issue.
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Because its not false for the reason most people give, so there's confusion.
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@robloxmaverick77 Technically, the scientific concensus is that life begins at implantation. Considering more than half of fertilized eggs will never implant.
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Not true in all cases. Depends on who is selling the gun and where you're buying
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Nah. I'm healthier without it. But you do you.
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Proof? Give me a piece of evidence that someone celebrates killing a baby. By the way, a fetus isnt a baby
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@akal8775 Okay, even if that is true, that's not a baby. That's a fetus. And there is a biological difference. No, I have never heard of that. Yes, I do know there are women who use abortions as birth control. But they are no where near the majority.
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@akal8775 It is a fetus. It's not a baby, either medically or biologically, until after it is born. Yeah, if its sentient, which abortion should be off the table at that point. It cannot feel pain if it lacks a brainstem. I think you're the one who needs more research.
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@akal8775 No, I believe in science. Some abortions do occur when the fetus is sentient. Though that is not the majority. I would go back and read my comments, because I did answer your question. Yes, a fetus is a fetus all the way up until its born. That doesn't mean I believe in late term abortions. Jesus Christ learn to read.
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@lotus9865 I am currently in medical school. I have a bachelor's in forensic and investigative sciences.
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When it comes to an abortion, its not the man's decision. He's not the one who the fetus is using. And there are many comments stating the man should have no opinion at all.
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She never stated that. She stated she couldn't say with certainty that a God did not exist, because you can't know. So no. She is agnostic (because everyone should be) but she's also an atheist, because she does not believe in a God.
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Why do you people always bring up abortion? Its actually irritating.
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You want to know what a miscarriage is called? A self-abortion. You want to know the only way to treat an ectopic pregnancy? An abortion.
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@searchingforwilberforcefl4533 And another medical term for a miscarriage is a self abortion, where the body aborts the fetus for no reason. Argue with facts if you want. It doesn't change them. If you wanted to make abortion a crime, you would literally have to jail anyone who also had a miscarriage to prove they didn't cause their own abortion. See the problem? No they aren't that different. Abortion is the termination of a fetus, whether it be by an outside influence or the body itself. Stop acting like abortion is some taboo thing. Its really just not.
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Atheists usually have more knowledge about the bible. Hell, reading the bible is what made me an atheist.
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Not really, considering a majority of those pictures are faked and have been proven so. Pro-death huh? You a vegan? If not, you're pro-death as well. So I guess we're even. Sentience should be when abortion is off the table. If life does not matter to you when it comes to plants or animals, life should not matter to you when it comes to humans.
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He doesn't even understand the difference between atheist and agnostic, nor does he apparently understand that those terms are not mutually exclusive. So no, he had no valid points.
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More often than not, you can do it. Most purveyors at gun shows are private sellers and there are no restrictions on private sales in most states. Whether or not you can buy a gun depends on who you're purchasing it from and in what state.
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@alexandriahardy8977 That's just it. There ARE no laws! There are only laws in 15 states that puts any kind of restriction on private sales. All of my guns are purchased at gun shows. I have NEVER had a background check, because my state does not require one unless I am purchasing from an FFL dealer. You are sorely mistaken.
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Would you like a link to the laws of the states?
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And if you don't mind me asking, what state are you in? Just so I can personally apologize if the laws apply in your state.
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@alexandriahardy8977 You are correct when it comes to handguns. There is no restrictions on rifles or shotguns. However, that is still the minority, so I still disagree with your first comment.
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@niceguy5501 A non-sentient fetus is incapable of having rights, because it isnt sentient. By the way, you don't have rights because of some natural force. You have rights because the particular country you live in says you do. Innate human rights do not exist. If you want to end abortion, outlawing it is not the solution. Treat the causes of why a woman chooses to go through an abortion and then maybe we can end them. Also, learn what murder actually is.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Nah, sorry that you have a problem with facts.
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It does feel amazing. You know what else feels amazing? Falling in love with multiple people who love you back and that support you. Explain to me how being in a loving relationship with multiple people is equal to sleeping around for money.
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@bigtimes1 I'll jump in, although I do not have a PhD. Currently working on an MD. Yes, meat is/can be nutritious.
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@nickstojic6995 Nope. I quite like most members of the human species. Its why I value their rights. I however, don't believe humans are inherently valuable. Because we're not. Nor is that my argument for abortion.
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I disagree. I don't think your born with intrinsic value. I think the unique experiences you have and the people you influence is what gives your life value.
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@raycohollis9417 The irony in that first sentence is astounding. They only thing required to be a Christian is a belief in the Christian God and the belief in Jesus Christ as rhe messiah. Nothing else. And I hate to break it to you, but a Catholic fits that definition. Its not. Objectively. It doesn't fit the definition of murder. Murder is a legal term.
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@hettinga359 Because its not a baby, and its not entitled to my uterus to live, anymore than I am entitled to your kidney when I am dying from renal failure. You come first in your own life.
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Sorry that your dictatorship views bodily autonomy as wrong. Oh also, I know plenty of Phillipinos who are pro-choice.
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@hettinga359 How was I hostile? I'm truly sorr for the lack of human rights.
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@hettinga359 I apologized because I genuinely feel sorry that you and the OC have been brainwashed into thinking you don't deserve the have bodily autonomy. It's empathy
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So why not vegans? I can understand certain people, but to generalize them all makes you look like an asshole.
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Irregardless is a nonstandard synonym for regardless, which means “without concern as to advice, warning, or hardship
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Hey guess what? Thats only the case under federal law if the woman is 20 weeks or more. Go take a Criminology or Law class.
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Because some people can't take birth control or it is not available. And even when it is, it is not 100% effective. By the time most people find out their pregnant, the morning after pill doesn't do anything. And taking a morning after pill every time you have unprotected sex can destroy your body. Abortions on average cost between $400-$500. I don't jump on the "forced vaccine" wagon because it is not my place to violate anothers Constitutional rights (something, I should mention, a fetus does not have until a certain stage.) Its people who are pro-life that do not care about protecting lives. To them, it doesn't matter how shitty a life and future the child will have. Being born is so worth it. There are worse things than death, and I argue that in some instances, it is better to have never lived at all then suffer through misery.
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You do not need meat to survive. I don't know any vegan who takes supplements. There is nothing (other than B12) found in meat that cannot be gotten in a vegan diet. Most of your teeth are flat. That being said, you can be healthy/unhealthy on almost every diet.
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Yeah no. Because then you find out you aren't sexually compatible and now you've gotta get a divorce. Protection is best.
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Technically there is, though it's not really a loophole. They're referring to the private sales of guns at shows, which requires no background check.
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Nope. That is factually untrue.
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@Kurothechurro23 Because gun crime is at an all time low in this country. Banning guns would raiae crime. Not lower it
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@Kurothechurro23 Shootings aren't a huge prpblem in America. Sorry you're so misinformed.
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@Kurothechurro23 Gun laws and gun free zones.
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Adoption isn't always an option, nor does it do anything for the issue. And do you suddenly not waive that right if you get pregnant using protection? You always have the right to your own body.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 No, you didn't. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Abortion is as much taking accountability as motherhood or adoption.
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@Sleepy Hollow Stereotypes exist for a reason.
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The ghettos in Canada are NOTHING compared to the US.
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Not true. We have decades of research, and everything you get in vaccines you naturally will be exposed to.
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Gun store no. Gun show, depends on the state. However, that would probably look shady as hell.
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@jaredsworldoffishing9298 I didn't but keep believing that. Whatever makes you feel better.
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@jaredsworldoffishing9298 sure. You can ask me anything.
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If thats what you think, then you aren't pro-life by definition. Pro-life is against abortion regardless of circumstances.
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@malachisanford2314 You actually tend to be healthier without meat, as meat is the main cause of heart disease. Especially processed meat.
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You a Christian? If so, your God is very much pro-choice.
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@ethanm.2411 No its not. Not unless you're going to ignore the Bible.
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@ethanm.2411 Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries: • A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19). Your God is not against abortion.
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@ethanm.2411 That will always be your excuse. Defend your monster God all you want.
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@ethanm.2411 We've had this debate over and over. You have your beliefs and I have mine.
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@ethanm.2411 Yes he is. Whether or not you say so or not. That text is clearly written. You are the one using apologetics to try and claim he's not. You may take these as prophetic, but you do not know how the Bible is supposed to be interpreted.
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@ethanm.2411 You will always accuse people of taking anything you do not agree with as "out of context". That doesn't make you right. Quit being an apologist and making excuses for the "evils" your God commits.
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@ethanm.2411 No, that is certainly your opinion. And many historians disagree with you as well. Some Christians write the Bible off entirely as metaphorical. Almost all Christians I know are pro-choice. In fact, only the extremely fundamental ones I have met are pro-life. But thats just my experience.
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@scarlettsilva9001 I have read it. All you do is use apologetics to get around the verses that you disagree with. I won't repent to a God I don't believe in nor for a heaven I don't believe in.
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@scarlettsilva9001 I was a Christian for over 20 years. What makes your version of the Bible the correct one? No, I did read the Bible. Thats what made me an atheist.
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No it isn't.
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Of course. But pro-lifers don't consider the 44,000 children in foster care at the moment, over half of which will statistically never have a family.
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Thats not the argument ethically. Plants aren't sentient.
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Nope. I wouldn't. That isn't a lie. You can look up plenty of testimonials of victims who advocate against capital punishment.
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@kingorange7739 That fact that you couldn't understand the sarcasam and mockery speaks volumes.
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Ignoring the God comment, since not everyone believes in or follows your God, you can get protein without killing animals. That would be an ethical vegan's argument.
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@tandavkoushik4531 An entity doesn't have a right to exist on a natural level. You only have a right to life because the government says you do. I believe its ethically immoral to force a sentient being to do something they are unequipped to handle. No, you're not entitled to anything. At least not be a natural law. Now, I believe in protecting those that are sentient. Sentience should be the factor, not life.
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@tandavkoushik4531 Sentient life is a fundamental right. A non-sentient fetus has the incapablity of making a choice because it lacks a brainstem. Unlawful deprivation of human life would be murder. Abortion is not unlawful. Theres a reason why we allow abortions.
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A balanced diet could be obtained without animal products though.
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@kingorangutan3348 All of those things can be found in vegan foods. B12 is harder to find but can be gotten in fortified milks.
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Because guns are a right.
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@rmak7990 Is that why Europed homicide rate skyrocketed while the US is at a 30 year low?
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@rmak7990 Nope. Just work in the field. Not saying America doesn't have problems, but guns are not the center cause of it.
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@rmak7990 Peoples opposition to guns and 5he lack of care for mental illness is at the center of it.
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@shamrock141 That's because the US has a larger population. The overall rates are higher in Europe. London passed NYC in terms of homicide rates.
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@shamrock141 No it isn't. You're upset because you think its safer when you are prevented from.owning a firearm and that isnt true.
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@shamrock141 a simple google search will tell you that Iceland does allow you to own guns. The difference is only you can't walk into a store and buy one. But you can certainly legally own one. You don't even look up your own apologetics.
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@shamrock141 In fact, all of those countries allow you to own a gun. The only difference is the licensing and training needed to own one is much more extensive.
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@shamrock141 that would never work in the US because the culture is different. Have you noticed where these shootings happen? Gun free zones and in states with strict gun control. Allow your citizens to carry a gun if they so wish, and you would be amazed at how these horrid shootings would stop.
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@shamrock141 Which I would be fine with. But the cultures are different. Americans who want gun reform want to ban firearms. Period. You are much safer when the majority of people carry guns
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You are an animal. All humans are. Facts don't care about your feelings. If you honestly believe animals don't think, you're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
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@buzznbloom Vaccines lower the immune system temporarily, which can make us susceptible to sickness. You made it sound like the vaccine is the reason for her infertility and its not. The virus she caught is. That is not the vaccine's fault.
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@buzznbloom A doctor didn't tell you that. I don't believe that. They don't agree with vaccines because they are thorougly uneducated. Some have legitimate reasons. If a doctor told you a vaccine caused your sister to be infertile, he should have his medical license stripped.
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Organized religion needs to end. Period. Religion is toxic in so many cases
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Depends on if you're buying it privately or from a dealer. There is no federal background check on private sales, nor are there any restrictions on private sales in most states.
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@mauriciosarmiento8038 A gun show is private sales in most cases. You either live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales, you bought your gun from a dealer, or the person decised to run a background check.
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@mauriciosarmiento8038 Texas has no restrictions on private sales. So more than likely, you bought your gun from a dealer (who sell at shows as well). Thats a mandatory background check.
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Depends on what you mean by 2nd chance
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@sophierr967 No. Not at all. That doesn't necessitate death though
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God certainly supported abortion. Look at Hosea where he commanded his people to rip out the unborn and dash them against stones or how he punished the Israelites by killing their pregnant woman and unborn. Fuck off with your sermon.
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BlueWerePyre Gaming & Vlogs So then God is not all knowing, which is what a lot if Christians believe. You can't have both. He's either omnipotent or you have free will.
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BlueWerePyre Gaming & Vlogs If God is all knowing, then no. You cannot have free will. Because if he's all knowing, then he already knows what decision you will make. He's programmed you to make that decision. That is not free will. If you have free will, then God is not omnipotent.
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BlueWerePyre Gaming & Vlogs If it's just "I know you well enough that I happened to be correct in what you picked" then that isn't omnipotence. God made an educated guess and was right. Let me present you with a scenario. God gives you an apple and an orange and tells you he knows you are going to pick the apple. Are you CAPABLE of picking the Orange? If yes, God is not omnipotent, because you just proved him wrong. If no, your destiny is predetermined for you so you don't have free will. God already knows what decision you will make, because he has created you to make that decision. These cannot coexist. Either you admit that God doesn't know everything, he just gives you the tools you need to go back to him, or you believe in pre destiny, which means God is a monster.
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No, it wouldn't decrease violence. It would only forbid law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Criminals do not care about the law. You live in Europe? The UK's stabbing rates tripled in 5 years. You have a massive violence problem. There aren't nearly as many mass shootings as you think there are, and they all happen in gun free zones. When criminals give up their guns, I will as well.
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@kirklincoln4389 Fear of death.
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@kirklincoln4389 Defending your property or family. A soldier fighting in war. All of these constitute killing others, yet we defend them. Sure, its not considered murder, but some people would call it so. Rape being bad is also subjective. Objectivity means that everyone believes it, and there are some people who don't believe rape is bad, or don't believe certain actions are rape at all. I have hope for my life here on Earth. I treasure this life more than most, as I believe this is the only life I get.
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@kirklincoln4389 Objective: (of a person or their judgment) not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. Objective morality: the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. This doesn't happen, because morality is based on the feelings and judgments of a society and is always up for interpretation. Rape, for instance, is the forced sexual intercourse of one by another without consent. But there are MANY people, mostly religious, who believe a wife's job is to pleasure her husband even when she doesn't want it. There are many people who do not believe in marital rape. War is not always mutual. War is sometimes forced. If another nation is attacking your own, you are bound to fight back or be destroyed. That isn't mutual. Abortion isn't muder, nor does the unborn fetus have any legal rights outside of the uterine wall. There is no objective morality because no one moral ground is universal. You believe abortion is wrong. I think it is the lesser of two evils. The way I view a moral issue and the way you do are totally different.
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@kirklincoln4389 And I agree as well. That still doesn't make it objective.
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@kirklincoln4389 You can use subjective morality to achieve an objective moral goal.
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Ugly is subjective. Emo and edgelord don't have any real meaning. There's nothing wrong with being a feminst in a traditional sense. And many straights, myself included, support the right for a woman to abort. TLDR; Insults don't win debates.
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@memestar9515 Never said I love abortion. I'm not a weeb, nor am I emo. I just understand why abortions happen. Perhaps look at the situation from another perspective.
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In 2017, a study concluded that 20.8% of abortions were for medical reasons. While that is not the majority, it's a far greater number than 1%. Also, an abortion done for a non medical reason doesn't mean they were having protected sex. 12% of abortions in 2017 were performed because of failed protection. You aren't being irresponsible by having an abortion. Having a child you cannot properly care for (called Neglect) is irresponsible. Just because you personally don't believe it isnt your body doesn't mean you are anatomically correct. That fetus is a biological parasite on you for a time and depends on stealing your vital nutrients to grow and develop. Abortions have never been proven to be painful to the fetus, unless you are having one on the tail end of the cutoff period. Most abortions take place in the first trimester, before a fetus develops a functioning brainstem. No brainstem? No pain. I think you need to look at the majority. A majority of abortions happen because the woman is abandoned by the father and family, and finds herself unable to care for the child physically, mentally or financially. Rarely is abortion used as birth control. "Correct moral lessons" is completely subjective. Aborting a fetus is not murder. Abortion should be off the table when the fetus is sentient.
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@lillianaluna-martalucrezia6407 I disagree that just because you have unprotected sex and then choose an abortion, you are using it as birth control. Abortions usually happen because the woman is abandoned as a result of pregnancy. Not to say it doesn't happen, but it is not the majority. No, it is a growing human. That doesn't stop it from being a parasite. A parasite is anything that depends on something for survival without doing anything beneficial to the host. I think abortion should always be a last resort. Would it have a terrible life? No. Not necessarily. However, an unfit mother forced to raise a child increases its likelihood for having an unstable environment and growing up in foster care. I don't believe anything has intrinsic value. But that is just personally my belief. No, it is not a baby, either medically or biologically. A fetus does not become a baby until after it is born. That is not an opinion. If you honestly believe that, I believe you are delusional and cannot face reality. I also think you are hypocritical, who puts humans on a pedestal.
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Foung Vang That doesn't apply to everyone. She got lucky. Not everyone does.
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No, you feel what you've been brought up to believe is the Lord in your heart. You also attribute luck and coincidence to blessings. You don't know he's there. You believe he's there. I left Christianity. I do understand it. I see no evidence for a God and I think the Bible is abhorent and immoral. If that God damns me to hell simply because I don't believe in him, then fuck him. I'd rather not spend eternity with a dictator. You're not being safe. What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Guess who's foing to "damnation" then.
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@unapologeticpatriot6504 Being painful depends on who you ask. Just because its painful for me, doesn't mean most feel that way
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@unapologeticpatriot6504 Because I had a later term abortion. And that fetus was sentient.
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While white meat is certainly better for you than red meat, it certainly can be bad for you. Its not unhealthy to be vegetarian, vegan or a meat eater inherently.
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@azraiel1984 Your opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to facts. Some people may need to eat meat in order to be healthy. But that is not the majority, especially not in more developed countries Protein can be found in non-animal sources.
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@azraiel1984 None of this has to do with relevance. Just because they may not "look right" to you, doesn't mean they aren't. Could just be bias. In general, those that do not eat meat tend to be healthier. This is not always true. Its just a general rule.
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@darinwaynec What do you mean for what I believe in? Are you referring to religion, or just anything in general that I believe in?
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@j.z.b.r.9354 If sin is worthy of eternal punishment, your God is an evil tyrant. "Do exactly as I tell you or you'll burn forever." Fuck that. If God can't be bothered to give me evidence of his existence, and then sends me to hell for it, fuck him. He's not worthy of my time.
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Asexual people exist-
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Yeah, that advice doesn't help after the fact.
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@user-ph1dm4hg5v Nope. Women have a right to an abortion.
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@anomaloustick4471 Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. A fetus is in her uterus. Her uterus is her body. It belongs to no other organism. That's what bodily autonmy is. Only you have a right to what is done with your organs. It is not her fault the fetus cannot survive outside her uterus.
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@anomaloustick4471 We hardly qualify it as unique when it is 99% similar to its parents, but I get your point. How exactly does that matter? It doesn't disprove anything. Its still her uterus, unless you can show me a fetus that can develop without a uterus. And as far as people in comas, yeah pretty much. That's why you're not arrested for pulling the plug on your brain dead loved one. That's why doctors have slow codes and DNR's
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@anomaloustick4471 You can never know if they'll come out of it, and they won't if they're brain dead, which is the only way they wouldn't be sentient. You're still not getting it. Its her body because its using her uterus for its life. We do classify it as her body because the uterus belongs to her, not to the fetus.
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Or perhaps just live in an area where its not. Its not more expensive to be vegan where I live, but that may be different for you.
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I would argue that animal life is more valuable in circumstances. Don't lie. You would save your pet over a stranger.
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@manishambre9126 Thats a matter of opinion.
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@manishambre9126 No, for everyone. Value of life in subjective, not objective. You deem the human more valuable in all situations (which I, frankly, believe is a lie) and I think it depends on the situation.
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@manishambre9126 I absolutely understand that.
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Get a dictionary. Your opinion of evil is subjective.
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Then I wouldn't be here and I would not have been able to care. You can't miss something you never had. By the way, that's not the thinking process used in a majority of cases.
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Anything with developing living cells is alive. But life doesn't (or shouldn't) matter. Sentience should.
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Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life is against abortion in ANY circumstance. Period.
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Plants do not feel pain. Thats a flat out lie. Plants have no nervous system. The idea of killing something isn't the issue ethical vegans have. Its the animal hierarchy hypocrisy and the killing of sentient beings.
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@grester No actually. No study says that. Its impossible for a plant to feel pain because pain is a neurological response. What you are doing is conflating chemical reactions and signals that plants emmit in situations (such as distress) and ATTRIBUTING that to pain. That is dishonest.
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@ratofvengence I know and have seen very few anti-gun people and protesters that do not EVENTUALLY want all guns banned.
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Which often has to go through court to get.
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Prove it.
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@undergroundrapfan9018 Could you be a little more creative?
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Soybeans are a complete protein and are extremely inexpensive...
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Funny, because I've had the exact OPPOSITE experience. I have NEVER had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. All have been purchased from shows. Just depends on who you're buying from and where you live.
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@roberthalpin9169 Indiana. And no its not. Private sales are a thing and depend on state laws.
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@roberthalpin9169 Most gunshows in Indiana are private sellers. That's why people go to shows. You'll find firearms cheaper from a private seller than you will from a dealer. It DOESN'T need to be corrected. We don't have any mass shootings here. Thats because everyone owns a gun.
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@roberthalpin9169 I mean it just really isn't a loophole. Thats the thing.
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Very few people advocate for forced vaccinations. You should not be forced to vaccinate if you don't want to. But you should then be expected to deal with the consequences of that action, such as not being allowed in public schools.
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@earthpet No, not really. There's extremists on both sides. Just as its not right to force vaccinations, to outright try and destroy someone or spread lies about vaccines is wrong as well. In fairness, you should be vaccinated if you can be. But you should never be forced.
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There is 0 evidence to prove that outlawing abortions would result in less teen sex and rapes. That is an absolutely ridiculous claim.
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@calo4_942 The state of Alabama still allows abortion. Not only was that law unconstitutional, the police literally said they would not enforce it. In fact, the REBULICAN Supreme Court just struck down a bill for Georgia that tried to ban abortion. The state does not usurp the federal law. No, one of the biggest reasons people rape is to relieve sexual frustration. I would also like evidence that the rates did drop.
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But polyamory isn't cheating. Cheating is cheating. Cheating nesssecitates going behind your partners back.
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Race is not a social construct. Its a biological one. Gender is a social construct. Sex is biology.
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You don't look at the other side of the coin then. Plenty of people use the Bible and their faith in God to justify doing horrible things to people.
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@goingextinct5576 But the fact that same faith that made your daughter an amazing person also is directly responsible for the death's of people, it needs to be considered.
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IssyFishyy There are plenty of secular organizations that do that as well and don't steal part of the money to either line their own pockets or give to the church. You're actually insane if you think Christianity is a perfect religion. People like the WBC and the NIFB are the groups actually following what the Bible teaches.
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IssyFishyy That's called a no true scotsman fallacy. Especially since one of the main culprits of this is the largest sect of Christianity, that being Catholics. Just because there are more Christian organizations doesn't negate the secular ones. It also doesn't make them better. The American Red Cross is one of the best examples of a secular charity.
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@broncobama8091 Indirect responsibility is still responsibility.
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IssyFishyy There is no such thing as a "true" Christian. Anyone who believes in the Christian God and believes that Christ is the messiah is a Christian. Your fallcious arguments are laughable. I never said they were better. I said they CAN be better, because they don't take a cut of the money for their church. But not all Christian organizations do that.
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Элаида ua No we dont. I'm perfectly happy not believing in a God. In fact, I was way more depressed as a Christian.
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Well some of them were honestly.
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Open relationship and polyamorous relationship are not necessarily the same thing.
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What makes you think she has a protein deficiency?
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@FOT2010 That doesn't mean its from lack of protein. You could just be mistaken. You get plenty of protein in a vegan diet if done properly.
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No. Not if its a private sale. Only an FFL dealer who sells a firearm without a background check is a felony in most states.
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Its really not that hard.
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You do realize that child support works with both parents right? Not just men? Custodial fathers can seek child support from deadbeat mothers as well.
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We are called animals. Our species is homo sapiens. But we are animals. You call a cat "cat". But its still an animal
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Yes actually you can. Find a private vendor at a gun show in one of the 38 states that have no restrictions on private sales and buy one. FFL dealers are not the only ones who sell at shows. All 3 of my guns have been purchased same day at shows.
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@kiera8449 Bombings and mass stabbings as well as people being run down in vehicles don't sound much better.
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@nonstop9907 Its still a poor example to show that killing is wrong by killing.
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@nonstop9907 There's not that much difference. All murder is killing, but not all killing is murder. Murder is simply unlawful killing. In my opinion, it is wrong. But I don't argue from a moral perspective. Executing criminals isn't justice, to me, nor does it do any more good to the public than keeping them in prison. And actually, you pay more in taxes to execute them. I thought this was common knowledge.
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@desensitized Why? If a person wants to be trained to use a firearm, why is that a bad thing? Keep it on your person just like law enforcement does.
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And then you wouldn't be around to protect your daughter anymore.
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But not only would that be hypocritical, it would be taken advatage of.
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Health, morals and the environment are the main reasons people become vegan. You don't need meat. Several vegan foods contain more protein than meat. You eat meat because you like it. I've been vegan over 10 years. I have never been so healthy. But that is just me
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@gregpark7832 Just because its true to him doesn't make it fact or valid.
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@gregpark7832 I don't take it as one because it isnt. It cant be until its backed up with evidence. It's not his talking. It's that he spouts his claims as fact and is an asshole to those around him.
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@gregpark7832 When the question was asked about never questioning the faith, when he stated that God was a fact, and when he tried to tell the woman she wasnt an atheist
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@gregpark7832 He wasnt right. Agnostic is a useless term as everyone should be agnostic. He tried to tell he she wasnt an atheist and that atheists dont believe in anything supernatural. And he's dead wrong. Also "God is real" is an opinion, and when they tried to tell him that, he stated "No it's a fact."
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@gregpark7832 Agnostic isnt a state of belief. Agnostic is not knowing whether or not a God exists. No one knows, so everyone should be agnostic. And by definition, yes she is an atheist. She stated multiple times she does not believe in a God. That is an atheist. Someone who does not believe in God.
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@anonymousperson1030 She was right. Atheism is not a declaration that there is no God. Also, agnosticism is not a belief. It's a state of knowledge. If you dont know whether or not there is a God, you are an agnostic. Since this should be everyone, it's a useless word.
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@gregpark7832 Agnostic literally means "without knowledge". If you do not know whether or not there is a God and think we do not have the evidence to prove one or the other, you are an agnostic. And this SHOULD be everyone because NO ONE knows. Religion is a point of belief. Belief in something is not knowledge in something. Also I'm not pressing anything onto you. Do you know for a fact there is a God?
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I personally think people like you have a skewed outlook on human beings and would generally rather hurt and punish than help. It's not naive to believe people in general can change.
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No, not necessarily.
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It does have rights. The issue stands from the fact that all rights are equal. If a woman doesn't consent to a pregnancy, then the fetuses right to life does not exceed her right to liberty. Abortion already has cutoff points in a majority of the country, and most abortions are performed in the first trimester.
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@BIGjeffSanDiego Thats...how most abortions are performed. The woman is given a pill which forces the body to miscarry. The mother is then given a D&C, as you would with a natural miscarriage, and the mother can then decide what to do with the fetus. I have several friends who had abortions that still keep the remains as a reminder to try to never go down that road. Life begins at conception. Thats just a scientific fact. We, however, focus more on sentience.
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@BIGjeffSanDiego The fetus will not survive outside the womb anyways. The youngest record of a survival birth was at 20 weeks. That's way after the vast majority of abortions take place (about 62% taking place between 8 and 10 weeks) By the way, stop using the term "murder". Abortion isn't murder. Words have established definitions for a reason.
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@BIGjeffSanDiego Because there's no point spending more money for a procedure that won't work. Especially when inducing a woman that early could have serious problems for her.
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Argument from emotion fallacy. Emotions should not be the basis for a law.
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@unicorndreams8289 No. Laws should be practical. If there is no practical reason for the death penalty, it should be abolished. And there is none. Its too expensive, its not a deterrent, it doesn't lower crime, and its not worth executing an innocent person.
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@unicorndreams8289 Death row/unlimited appeals.
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You aren't changing into anything. You just don't identify as either male or female because you don't feel you have the characteristics of either sex.
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I think you meant pro-life. Not pro-choice.
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@LivBee. No problem~
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But criminals WILL have access to guns. And forcing innocent civilians to give them up would only increase gun crime. Other countries don't have the gun violence we do because the population, crime and culture are all different.
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It's not at all hard to get a gun. And yes, I'm pro-gun.
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Yes. Vaccines can have negative side effects. So can seat belts. So can water. So can the very nutrients needed for you to live. We have solid evidence they are effective. We have wiped out diseases that were debilitating and sometimes fatal. My grandmother was the middle of 4 siblings, all of whom died before the age of 15 from conditions we have vaccines for. Your cognitive dissonance doesn't work here. If you don't want to trust them, then don't. No one is forcing you.
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Most law enforcement does. Its foolish to allow a few bad apples to speak for everyone.
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Can't give characteristics to a being that has not been proven to exist
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@jacquelynalaniz792 Believe what you will. Until you prove to me that a God exists, I simply see the belief in one as wishful thinking and a coping mechanism. You can't disprove a negative. It's your job to prove his existence, not mine to prove he doesn't exist. I make no positive claims as an atheist.
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Depends on where you live.
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No he's not, and he should be part of the conversation, even if he doesn't have the ultimate decision.
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@mydude5150 No they don't. They just have different ways one gets into heaven.
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There is never "zero doubt". Such a thing does not exist.
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The two are grouped together because they are not mutually exclusive, and there is no such thing as just an agnostic. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim because it isn't a belief.
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Thinking being anti-vaccine is harmful and shouldn't be done does not change the fact that you are not obligated under any law to get vaccinated.
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@mzadro7 I understand that. I do believe that everyone should. I'm just saying there's no law saying you can't.
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There are plenty of vegan inks
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Not for everyone.
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Do you actually believe that? Because most Christians I know personally are fundamentalists, like the old man. And as an atheist, Nancy was not the most likable person.
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@animetalesseries I understand fundamentalists are not the majority of Christianity as a whole. I was simply referencing anecdotal information. But you'd be surprised how many people still believe the way this man does.
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Its not always. Nor does it guarantee happiness.
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You can opt out of child support. Terminate your paternal rights.
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So how's it feel to step on the rights of women and the dying?
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@fMONA94 Well one, they aren't babies unless of course they are outside the womb. 2, how about the millions of children you've killed to abuse and neglect because of unfit parents? Don't strawman the argument. A support a woman's right to choose. I firmly believe most people make a decision like this about whats best for them and their fetus. I truly believe all options should be explored first
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@st.johntheevangelistorthod4725 I didn't strawman the argument at all. Your rights cannot impede on someone else's. Abortion, to me, is a rights/legal issue more than a moral one. You have a right to the pursuit of happiness and liberty. Raping a woman violates her rights, and your rights STOP where anothers BEGINS and vice versa.
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@st.johntheevangelistorthod4725 Not from a legal standpoint, because the government does not give rights to non-sentient creatures. From a moral argument, I could grant you that abortion is immoral, but I would say in this point in time, its a necessary evil.
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@gonzalezaramburu5741 Some are. I promise most of us aren't like this.
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The death penalty is useless and provides no benefit to society or people. It should be abolished.
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Welcome back to the dark ages.
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Yes, unless it is artificial silk not made with animal products.
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@alanfriesen9837 No problem.
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@mashedt8rs290 You do know what's in vaccines. Its on the damn insert. Oh, and look. Another person who believes mercury is used in vaccines, which it hasn't been in almost 3 decades.
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Kristen Hare Probably because the old man was being a complete asshole
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States that have lax gun laws and people who are allowed to carry firearms in class don't have that fear. Someone tried to shoot up a school here, and they'd be stopped before they had the chance to fire. Shooters target gun free zones for a reason.
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@dehoneys5945 Most people would. Thats how psychology works. If the dog you raised from puppyhood and a stranger you knew nothing about were drowning, and you could only save one, you'd pick the dog. At least instinctually. Because you have a bond with it.
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drew2 fast Funniest thing is I used to believe the same nonsense. Way to make a fallacy. I was a Christian for the majority of my life, until I realized there was no evidence for anything I believed in. I would love to know how you would feel if you found out there was no God or you were worshipping the wrong God. If God does exist, then I believe he will judge me based on my actions and how I lived. Not whether or not I believed in him.
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drew2 fast You still haven't proven a God exists, so until that time, I'll carry on with my life. If he truly condemns me, he's a monster and a tyrant who is not worthy of my love.
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Yes, because they aren't. Cheating would be going behind your partner's back or against your agreed terms. You can however cheat in a polyamorous relationship, just as you can in a monogamous one.
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You don't always have to do a background check. Depends on where and who you're buying from.
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Most states do not require background checks on private sales. Also, you don't need anything but a handgun license in my state, and that's only if you carry it.
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No there isn't. 38 states put no restrictions on private sales. None of my guns have ever had a background check.
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@maryangelica5319 While that may technically be true, that is certainly how we use the word in discussions. Rarely is language that simple.
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Being vegan means abstaining from animal based clothing as well. That may be why.
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@kingorange7739 Why should someone who is unhappy be forced to face life?
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@kingorange7739 Your claim was that someone should be forced to survive and try to be successful, even when they're miserable.
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@kingorange7739 I'm asking if thats what you believe, since that is what you implied. I do not want to misrepresent you.
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@pathal0gical896 So is the Bible
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@pathal0gical896 No it isn't and it cannot be corroborated with evidence
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@pathal0gical896 Nk it isn't and some of it haa been disproven. You have horrid confirmation bias
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@pathal0gical896 Keep living in your fantasy
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@pathal0gical896 I feel sorry for you
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@pathal0gical896 If God sends me to hell simply because he cannot be bothered to prove he exists, he's a monster and I would mever want to spend eternity with a dictator.
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@pathal0gical896 God does not love if Hell exists. It is despicable to judge someone based solely on what they believe. Yeah, because he is a monster and a dictator. Obey me and worship me, or suffer in Hell? How is that ANY different from a dictator.
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@pathal0gical896 No thank you. I turned away from Christianity and have never been happier.
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@pathal0gical896 I do not want nor need your assistance. I think you should take a step back and think about the possibility of there not being a God.
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Because there aren't in most states. Just depends on who you're buying it from.
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Except eliminating gun rights only would take them away from law abiding citizens, not criminals who will get them illegally. And I don't know where you got your medical degree, but you are MUCH more likely to survive a gunshot than a stab wound.
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People don't understand that polyamory has nothing to do with sex and lust. Asexuals exist.
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Men can opt out of parenthood. Terminate your rights.
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Nayelie Camacho It is my choice. The fetus is attached to me and is feeding off my nutrients. It has nothing to do with life. It has to do with sentience. Condoms fail sometimes. Some are rapes. Some have medical issues.
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Nayelie Camacho A fetus can't suffer because it doesn't have a brainstem. It is physically incapable of feeling at the time of most abortions. It doesn't matter if it was a mistake I committed. Even though I would never have one, I respect a woman's right to get one if she cannot raise that child.
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Fernando Suárez It's a human instinct that some people can't or don't want to repress.
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Nexus Randy Then God is a tyrant and I'd rather be in hell.
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@mathildeyoung1823 Which I do. I am. All organic organisms are.
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@mathildeyoung1823 We have colloquial terms for things. Just because we call someone something else doesn't mean that's not what they are. If I told you my mother died of a transient ischemic attack, would you know what I meant without google? Probably not. But if I said "my mother died of a stroke", you would know what that meant. Any unborn is techincally called a fetus, but we still use the colloquial term "baby". Doesn't mean it isn't a fetus. You don't have to identify with a particular party to be pro-life or pro-choice. By the way, abortion isn't convenient. Also, a majority of late term abortions? They're done for medical reasons. I have my views on when thr cutoff for someone who is just not stable is. I don't really care whether or not you agree with me. The fact remains that its a right that will never be abolished.
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You can't legally marry multiple people, but what's the difference in being married and not?
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When the killing is unlawful and the person in question has their Constitutional rights violated. Abortion meets neither of these standards.
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@ethanm.2411 Not to me morally. But my morality is subjective. When its sapient and sentient, it then should have rights.
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Infinity 436 A fetus is not a human being. It is a developing human being. It isn't about being lazy. Raising a child is the hardest and most expensive thing you can do. Once again, abortion isn't murder. They're making a hard decision to abort the fetus when it is unable.tp feel as oppose to have it and neglect it. Good thing you don't control the law
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Infinity 436 Murder is by definition unlawful. So abortion does not meet the legal definition of murder. Put it in the foster care system? Do you know how broken it is? Have you ever spoken to children who say they would have rather been aborted because they were neglected and abused? You are not guaranteed to be adopted at all, let alone by a loving family. Many people take in children only to collect the checks they get from the government.
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@iceblaze3043 Ever consider that we both might be wrong? What would you do if it could be proven there was no God? No thanks. I'm happy no longer being a Christian.
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@iceblaze3043 Thats really honestly sad that you need a God to give you purpose.
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@iceblaze3043 Nothing would change. If that God's morals lined up with my own, then I'd just continue to live my life.
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@zahrapirani6622 I agree with you.
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Abortions are never promoted. You are actively looked down upon and demonized for having an abortion. While I agree that fooling around carries consequences, that should not then be placed on the child. I disagree with your assumption. I don't think parents would teach their kids any more about sex, because we live in a religious world where the idea of sex for anything but procreation is wrong. I think more people would not want to be in a committed relationship.
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@cobaltdistortion421 They aren't showing the reality of abortions. They brought in 2 hypocrites who have had abortions and now preach against them because of their own guilt. Guess what dear? Not everyone who has an abortion goes through severe trauma. That's subjective. Just because you've never had an abortion doesn't mean you cannot speak on the subject. That's like saying I can't criticize food because I'm not a chef. Everyone that has gone through it has a different subjective opinion. I know many women that have had abortions, and they don't regret it. They may regret the situation that they were in that led to the abortion, but they do not regret having one.
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Private sellers are not required to give background checks under any federal law. It's called the "gun show loophole"
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Then you would be absolutely objectively wrong. There is plenty of evidence to back up that a vegan diet is healthier. But, you can be unhealthy on a vegan diet just as you can be completely healthy on a diet that includes meat. The only thing you cannot get naturally in a vegan diet is B12.
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Not usually. Even in open relationships usually, your partner usually knows who you're with. That's certainly true with polyamory. Everyone in the relationship must consent, or its cheating.
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@chloekit4861 Before anything happens, at least in my experience, everyone is tested. And most poly relationships are closed. There's no more STD or unwanted pregnancy risk then a mono relationship.
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Why is that? Just because I choose not to use animals?
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Well...yes. Because the argument from an ethical perspective has to do with sentience. Not life.
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So I guess by that statement, being vague and devoid of nuance, every soldier who has killed someone should die. Every person who has killed on accident or in self defense should die. See what happens with vague statements?
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She could have just said no...since you know...we're not...
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@LivingUpright If you do a vegan diet properly, you shouldn't lack anything.
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Its never murder unless it is done illegally. You wanna know another reason to have an abortion? If you know you cannot care for it.
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Men should certainly be a part of it, but it should be ultimately up to the woman. Its her body that must be used for that fetus to develop, and some women don't want to go through that. And that's their right. There are also many times where children are neglected and abused because they live in single parent homes.
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@kingorange7739 So, you are now deliberately being dishonest. Murder: the UNLAWFUL premeditated killing of one human being by another. So no, abortion isn't murder for 3 reasons. A) Its not unlawful. B) The USSC does not recognize a fetus as a human being. And C) A fetus has no legal rights. Now, you and I can even agree that B and C should not be the case. But in regards to the bodily autonomy, my right to life does not supersede your right to autonomy. They are equal. You are trying to elevate life above liberty. That isn't right.
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@kingorange7739 That wasn't my point. My point was an analogy. Just as if you don't consent to have your bodily autonomy violated to save a life, a woman doesn't either. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, and you cannot violate anothers rights for your own. That goes BOTH ways. Being morally correct is entire subjective. You believe abortion is morally wrong. So is allowing children to be abused and neglected by unfit parents and an overloaded state. So the question, morally, comes down too: Which option is worse? Precisely my point. Just as war, the death penalty and self defense do not qualify as murder, neither does abortion. 2nd degree murder also isn't premeditated. So is it therefore not murder? No.
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@kingorange7739 That's not what premeditated means in a court of law. Premeditated means pre-planned. 2nd degree murder is not premeditated, but is considered murder because it is unlawful. Once again, that fetus also infringes on the woman's right. Not only that, legally, a fetus HAS NO RIGHTS. Objective morality does not exist. You will find culture and societies fine with killing and thievery in certain circumstances. Subjective morality can be used towards an objective goal. And again, abortion isn't murder. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@kingorange7739 Rights are inherent, granted to you by a government. Morally, I think its sick you would rather see a sentient being be abused and killed than a non-sentient fetus be aborted.
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No actually. We are biologically equipped to eat meat if we should so choose.
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Yes you most certainly can. Depends entirely on where you live and who you're buying from.
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@antonbrig5171 I've purchased 3. A 9 mm m&p, a Glock 29, and a .45 ACP. I live in Indiana, and most gun shows here are set up by vendors looking to sell their firearms. They're cheaper than what you would get at a store. Indiana places no restrictions on private firearm sales, so the only thing necessary is a valid state ID showing that you are a resident of the state in which you are buying. No background check required.
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@antonbrig5171 One in 2018. 2 in 2019.
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@antonbrig5171 No. I said the private dealers were selling at the shows. Gunshows around here usually consist of private dealers, but that different states work differently. Some have just dealers. And some have a mixture of both.
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@antonbrig5171 Its literally called a .45 ACP. I suppose the actual name of the gun would be Dan Wesson Specialist. They're guns commonly bought by law enforcment.
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@antonbrig5171 Its always wonderful to see someone stop replying when they are presented with the evidence that they were wrong. You make a side look bad when you claim things that can be easily refuted.
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@antonbrig5171 I literally said that the actually name of the gun is a Dan Wesson specialist, but that we just call it an .45 ACP. So no, again, not lying.
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@antonbrig5171 Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer. Not if you're buying privately.
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@antonbrig5171 No, it wasn't done illegally. My state puts no restrictions on private sales. The gun was purchased from a third party. Perfectly legal.
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@antonbrig5171 It depends on who you are buying from at the show. Some vendors are dealers. Some vendors are private sellers. If you go anywhere, in most states, and you are buying a gun from anyone other than a dealer, that it considered a private sale. This can happen in your yard, in a parking lot, or at a gun store.
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@antonbrig5171 You hadn't. There were no messages. However, Youtube has been know to delete them. So that may be why I didn't see them.
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@slavvo6184 I bought mine for a little over $500. In store here they're about $1600.
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@antonbrig5171 No. I did not personally know the person I purchased from. Private sellers sell at shows. I went to a gunshow, and purchased a gun from a private seller. Private sales are any sales done by someone who does not hold a federal firearms license.
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@antonbrig5171 No, I didn't know that person. I simply knew they were not a dealer, because they did not hold an FFL. Why is this so complicated for you?
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That's not true in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and the state.
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So...you're a hypocrite who doesn't give a shit about the quality of life for the child.
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Uhhh no. He was absolutely wrong. Atheists lack a belief in a God, which she clearly does.
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I have two children and am polyamorous. I can assure you, our family works no differently than it would be if we were monogamous.
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Lust only exists to the religious. Love can be platonic, romantic, sexual, or combinations.
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@middleeasterngamer9985 Yes. I am entirely for real. Sexual love, which is a valid human emotion, is not what most people define as "lust". You can love someone in a sexual manner and not be lustful.
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While I agree with you, how are you pro-death penalty if "facts don't care about your feelings?" Facts do not align with a pro capital punishment position.
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Because a fetus is non-sentient. It cannot make a choice. You are trying to give rights to a fetus to supersede the mother.
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That doesn't mean they have lower violent crime rates. The US simply doesn't have a gun problem like you think it does.
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Its not except under certain circumstances. Its nearly always classified as unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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@Humanity Galatica Well, that's your opinion. I think it's the only thing that grants rights to people, because I don't believe in "inherent" rights on a philosophical level
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@Pedro2NR I would love evidence of this since my mother's church kicked her out while pregnant with me because she got pregnant out of wedlock. You may live in an area where churches may be willing to help on some level, but that is certainly not universal.
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Well obviously. But this isn't about sex. This is about gender. Without chomosomal augmentation, you can't change your sex.
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While I understand the dislike and the hood comment, we are certainly not the top of the food chain. Not scientifically at least.
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@fMONA94 Lions, bears, crocodiles, komodo dragons and hyenas are all higher on the food chain than we are.
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While I could agree that humans are not equal to animals, humans ARE animals. And most people value some level of animal life over humans. Lets be honest, companion animals are an example. You cannot convince me that you would save the life of a human stranger over your pet dog that you loved and raised since puppyhood. You would put your dog above a human. Ethical vegans, in my experience, seem to want that pedestal for all animals. Not just companion animals.
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@ironcross1252 I do not believe you. Not for an instant. You can say that all you want, but human psychology is a complex thing. Whether or not you believe humans are animals doesn't matter. The fact is, we are. That is not a category error. Gotta prove God exists first. And you're still a liar.
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@ironcross1252 Thats fine that you deny facts. And the easiest proof would be for God to simply show himself.
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@ironcross1252 That may be what you believe, but that isn't reality. By the way, humans being animals? Thats not an opinion. Thats a fact.
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@ironcross1252 And the Bible is not reality. Is a holy book. Not a history text. You haven't proven a God even exists, let alone that we're "created" in his image. Your belief is not reality. Its fine that thats your beliefs. But that doesn't change fact. Even if a God were to be proven, we would still be animals by defintion. We're mammals in the animalia classification.
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Tim Account One of my best friends died from pneumonia brought on by chickenpox. Not a fun thing to die from.
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XxMikePlayzxXHD Provably because the old Christian was being an asshole
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No, it literally means someone else's right to life is more important than someone else's right to bodily autonomy, which is a dangerous precedent. That's basically saying you should be forced into organ donation regardless of your wishes if it save's another's life.
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Meat can be healthy. Just as it can be unhealthy. Thats the case for everything.
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Bad Man Jones I know all about the black market. I'm pro-gun, I just want people to understand the law.
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@ch4z_bucks That depends entirely on where you live. Almost nobody who sells at shows here in my state are dealers. Shows here are mostly private sellers, because usually, their guns are cheaper. I am not misinformed. I understand background checks are necessary for FFL dealers. What I am saying is to claim that you cannot buy a gun without a background check is wrong. And it makes our side look weak to argue a point that is so easily disproven. No private seller I have EVER met goes through a background check. Thats an expense that would cost more than what they are selling the gun for. And there's no legal reason to do it either.
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Nekrocancer People do curse the name of Zeus and Mohammad. You just don't hear it because you live in a country where the majority of the population is Christian. People make fun of everything, whether you are religious or not. People hate Muslims and atheists as well. Your argument is extremely flawed. Satan is not the fallen Angel. That would be Lucifer and they are not the same being. Atheists also can't hate something they don't believe in. You need to prove God, and which God is real. Currently, you haven't done that.
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You can have a gun at 16 actually. You have to be 21 to own a handgun. Many people defend themselves. The mass shootings we have happen on heavily gun restricted areas. Know why? Because a mass shooter isnt going to shoot up a place where everyone is carrying.
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Most murderers, however, are 2nd degree. Not pre meditated. They do care, they want help, and they are sorry. Psychopaths aren't the majority
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@88feji You can have consequencrs for actions without dragging yourself down with it. That's just unhelpful to you. And those people are idiots and know nothing.
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@Creative Because we know they didn't. We would have found the evidence for them if they had.
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@kystro-rl1682 I think you responded to the wrong person lol
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kaylin collins If you believe in a higher power, you're not an atheist. You're a nondenominational agnostic theist.
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Hypocritical pro lifers.
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@parthenon5106 No, that wasn't it. But nice try
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@parthenon5106 The hypocrisy is claiming to care about life when you don't. You care so much about life that you completely write off quality. That is hypocritical.
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@parthenon5106 He doesn't if he's pro-life. He's fine with children being raised in unloving abused households and people not being able to die on their terms. That is NOT caring about life.
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@parthenon5106 Pro-life is anti-euthansia by definition. If no one is fine with children being raised in unloving households, then no one would be against abortion UNTIL those problems were fixed. But they aren't. They offer no solutions other than "let them be born and hope for the best".
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Keeping them in prison also stops them from doing that. Also, it costs less to house a prisoner than to execute them
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You can be poly and loyal.
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@patricktrent7961 Why does there have to be a who? That's a statement that has yet to be proven. Humans evolved from lesser creatures and abiogenesis is an explanation of how the fost livibg creatures existed.
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@patricktrent7961 Of evoultion? The proof is out there if you wish to see it. Talk to an evolutionary biologist or take a class. I am not qualified.
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@patricktrent7961 Thats fine. That doesn't make you correct. By the way, to deny evoultion is simply denying science. You can believe in God and still believe in evolution. By the way, you believe in a lot of theories.
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@patricktrent7961 Humans evolved fron primadids over time
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@patricktrent7961 Aibiogensis
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@brandonhunter10 No, he was incorrect. Agnosticism from its roots literally mean "without knowledge". You cannot both believe and not believe in God. That is a paradox. Atheists do not believe in God, and most atheists are also agnostic. So while he was correct that she is agnostic, he was incorrect that she was not an atheist. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Society itself changed what these words meant. At their roots, agnostic means "without knowledge". Atheism means "without belief". These are not mutually exclusive terms. He was incorrect.
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@brandonhunter10 No actually in the pure sense, she would be correct. As stated before, an atheist is someone who does not believe in God. In the purest forms, what you are describing is an anti-theist, a person who asserts as fact that a God does not exist. Yes, actually it is possible. Because once again, atheism refers to belief. If you know something to be true or false, you would not need belief in it. She did not make a hard claim. A hard claim would be "God does not exist." She stated multiple times "I do not believe in God" and was told off by an old asshole who asserts his beliefs as facts. I do not care what Webster has to say. They lost my respect when they included the colloquial term for "literal" which goes against the actual meaning of the word. Thank you for proving my point in that he was wrong. The instant he said "you are not an atheist", he was wrong.
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@brandonhunter10 No, I'm simply stating the fact. You should take a Latin class. Even based on the definitions you provided, she would still be an atheist, as an atheist is someone who does not believe in God. Please, go look up what an atheist is, and tell me why she is NOT an atheist.
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@brandonhunter10 Please take a Latin class and go back and re-read the definition. Also, ma'am.
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No its not.
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Then simply don't fear it. You've got more of a chance being killed in a car accident on the way to school than being shot in a shooting.
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@roach7017 You pay more as a taxpayer to put someone to death and revenge is never justice. Why do you think its justice for families? Perhaps for you. But don't pretend you speak for the majority.
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No, vegans don't believe in using sentient life for their own pleasure and the animal pedestal hypocrisy.
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Plants don't have feelings.
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How is not believing in the death penalty defending the accused? What will the death penalty accomplish? It won't bring the dead back to life.
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@Sylveon You spend more on death penalty convictions than life in prison. So how does it save money?
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@Sylveon Life without parole does exist you know.
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@Sylveon No one has ever escaped from a federal prison. And by that logic, since convicts spend 20 years on death row, they can escape from there as well.
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@emmysenn8750 Not from a max federal prison. Jail and court is not the same as prison.
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@aidedwarrior2413 What truth?
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From the ones I've seen and spoken to, no. No they won't.
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You should be allowed an abortion for any reason up to a set point in time. That is your right.
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After the fetus is sentient, abortion should be illegal.
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Not all the time. Depends on who you're buying from. I've never had a background check at a gunshow, but all my sales were private.
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Gun shows do have private sellers which don't require background checks. Maybe she's just been to a shady one...
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@goarmy3783 I've never had a background check at a show. But all my sales were private.
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Then you owe me some money. Its very easy to purchase guns at a show without a background check. Find a private vendor in 1 of the 38 states that puts no restrictions on private sales of firearms.
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That isn't what she said. She said she did not believe life had INHERENT value. I.e. you don't have value just because you exist. The only value you have is the value you give yourself and those others give to you. Its descriptive. Not prescriptive. If you've never had any doubts, you're either close minded or a liar.
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Vicky*Jay*Rey Then who made God?
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The Ravens Ashes I don't have to respect a belief responsible for the deaths of millions throughout history to respect you as a person, or your RIGHT to believe secularly
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Vicky• Jay•Rey The world was always there. It's not my job to prove you wrong. For all I know you're right. It's your job to prove your right.
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Subjective opinion should have as little say as possible in law.
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But thats the problem. The assumption that people would turn out like they did doesn't justify taking away a right. There a many people out there that do not regret their abortion for one reason or another.
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Yes there is. And not getting a chicken pox vaccine is currently costing a mother 20 years in prison for negligent homicide when her child died from pneumonia. Vaccines don't protect you against the illness. They protect you from the negative, and sometimes fatal, complications.
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She is an atheist, as she does not believe in God. She is an agnostic atheist, as are most atheists.
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No one has died from a vaccine in almost 30 years. That they could scientifically prove was directly caused by a vaccine.
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We do not have sex to procreate. That is simply not the case anymore. We are not in any danger of becoming extinct as a species. An effect of sex is potentially pregnancy. But its not the only thing sex is for. How is abortion an easy way out? Its not.
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@jya7284 Did you know that nearly 50% of abortions are performed on people who did use protection? It's not nearly as fool proof as you think. Its never an easy way out. You're judged by people and abortions are not covered by any insurance and must be paid out of pocket. Please explain how the act of abortion is easy. That is literally no one's mindset when having an abortion.
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@jya7284 That just isn't true. Sure, they don't want a child, but its almost always because they do not have the stability to care for it. Who's dropping thousands of dollars on abortions just because fuck it? There are probably people out there that would abort just to abort. But that is such an insignificant portion.
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Yeah, rarely does that happen. Late term surgical abortions are almost always done because of a medical reason.
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And here we have another person who does not understand what an agnostic or an atheist is. An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. If I ask you the question "do you believe in God?" And your answer is anything other than "yes" you are an atheist. An agnostic is a knowledge claim based on the existence of God. Everyone is agnostic, or should be. It has nothing to do with belief. You cannot simultaneously believe and disbelieve in a deity. That is a paradox. I am an agnostic atheist. I do not deny a God could or might exist, but I do not believe in one because of the lack of evidence.
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No, there are much less shootings in Europe because of customs and population. By the way, why is a mass shooting so much worse than stabbings?
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Lizzie Allen Yeah, thats true. I wish these people would be realistic.
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So choosing to abstain from animal products is cultish? There are some vegans who act like that, but certainly not the majority.
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Because condoms work 100% of the time right? And just like if you get an STI, you can make a choice what treatment to take should you get pregnant. Adoption, Motherhood or Abortion.
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@iroxursoxwithjello No actually. Thats a gross overexaggeration for marketing. Honest medical professionals will.tell you that they are around 90 to 95% effective when use properly.
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No, its simply realistic. You aren't valuable just because you're born. Your value is based on what you and others place on you. Its a descriptive title. That isn't what she said at all. She said life is not inherently valuable.
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No, meat can also be a problem. Nitrates, Sodium, Heme iron are all bad for the body. You do not need meat to be healthy.
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@chrischehade5353 You no longer need to eat meat. Find a diet that works for you.
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@HereIsRick I understand that, and I think its poorly named. All its referring to is a private sale at gunshows, which avoids a background check. People, colloquially, think that is a loophole to get around a background check. The act exists. You can buy firearms without a background check at shows. The name is just crap.
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@BiggieGamez69 There does not have to be an FFL dealer at a show. That is strictly up to the venue. Most of the shows here are nearly all 3rd party, and rarely are background checks done.
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@sense7074 Buying from a dealer is not a private sale. Private sales are between 3rd parties. Both of my guns have been purchased privately at shows, therefore do not require background checks. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
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@linkaj12 Do you also not know about private sales? And that they happen at gunshows? I mean its not a loophole, but the original comment is misleading.
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@gholland5840 Nope. Its perfectly legal.
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@gholland5840 Private sales are not illegal, and they often appear at shows.
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@gholland5840 Yes, because California puts a restriction on private sales. How did that work out for the high school that was shot up?
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@gholland5840 Exactly. So I don't want anti-gun people to use the first comment as ammo for their cause, as it is misleading.
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Snake 123 Yes you can. If the vendor is private.
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@PunkShockRock synonym doesnt mean the same definition. In can also mean very similar definitions. You may not have met one, but I certainly have. In fact, my best friend is a FTM transgender and hes on no medication. Technically you can change your gender. You can't change your sex. Personally, I dont care how they identify. I call them what they asked to be called.
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@PunkShockRock Yeah. No. You date who you're attracted to. You're not a bigot for not wanting to date a transgender. It's kinda sad how deep into this we've come
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Not if the sale is private in most states.
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@itsnotluck6090 Umm no. Federal law only applies to those with an FFL. State laws dictate private sellers.
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Psychological testing is unconstitutional, but i agree with you on every other point.
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No he wasn't.
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@Adrastros The old man.
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@zombieslaya780 Except it isn't murder and the law does not recognize it as such.
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@zombieslaya780 No it isn't. Who cares if its human? You aren't special. Killing =/= Murder.
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@justanothercommenter618 No its not dumbass. Learn the definition of words before you use them. Also, humans aren't on some pedestal. I know the consequences of women not having autonomy. By all means, abortion should be a last resort. But it should be on the table.
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More of misnamed than false.
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A killer isn't necessarily a sociopath. The parkland shooter is also not a sociopath. He is bipolar and schizophrenic. He cannot be rehabilitated on the same level as someone who was not suffering those illnesses, but he clearly does feel emotion.
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Veganism more specifically is a term used for a diet. But its more broad.
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Death penalty convictions don't always have to be murder. There are capital offenses that don't involve murder.
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"I legit have no idea why someone would be anti-death penalty" -More expensive -Not a deterrent -Doesn't lower crime rate -Risks executing an innocent person -Doesn't bring the dead back to life. Putting yourself in the families shoes? You do understand that most families ARE anti-death penalty, correct?
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Because not everyone's psychology works the same. I'm a victim who is perfectly content knowing the man who raped, permanently disabled, and murdered her little sister is sitting in prison for life. No, prison doesn't give a chance for a escape. Not when it comes to crimes like these.
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Wonder if you'll be saying that when you find yourself in a life threatening situation.
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@carter9693 Yeah. Because they don't have a gun to defend themselves with.
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@carter9693 They could legally own guns if they didn't live in states with such strict gun laws. Ever stop to wonder why states that have lax gun laws have the least amount of gun crime and almost no school shootings?
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@carter9693 Depends on the state. Indiana allows you to own a gun at 16. If you can't rely on people you train to defend themselves, you can't rely on anyone
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Nicolas Carnogursky Forcing a mother to give birth to a child she can't handle so it grows up in an unhealthy and unstable home is wrong. Also, get a dictionary and look up what murder means.
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No honest person says it isn't alive. Being alive just doesn't matter.
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As someone who was neglected, unloved, and a failed abortion, I would still be pro-choice.
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Because a majority of the population is Christian and are open to doing these kinds of discussions.
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That word doesn't mean what you think it means. If both parties consent, why does it matter?
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He was.
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You can't be on neither side. Agnostic really is a redundant term. What's your belief in God? If its anything other than yes, you're an atheist.
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@burgerdoessports Then you are a non-denominational agnostic theist. An agnostic, colloquially, is a person who knows that the existence of God cannot be known. You can't have neither faith or disbelief. Thats a paradox. I'm an agnostic atheist. You would be an agnostic theist.
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@burgerdoessports No. Thats why I am an agnostic as well. But I'm also an atheist, just as you're a theist.
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@joseespinal1 I think it got somewhere.
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@matt-jr3vd I'm not punishing civilians. I'm pro gun.
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@amoyer1441 No. I went up to a vendor during the show and purchased a firearm. That person was a private citizen, not an FFL dealer and therefore the sale was considered a private transaction. No background check necessary.
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@amoyer1441 My state has probably the laxest gun laws and have probably on the lowest gun homicide rates. If your vendor is not an FFL dealer, the sale is considered private.
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@amoyer1441 Indiana
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@josecruz-peraza5286 I appreciate that.
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Your cousin is one of the extremely rare cases of being sensitive to something in the vaccine. Your doctor can help figure out what it is, and then give you vaccines without that component if that is a concern to you. That doesn't mean you shouldn't vaccinate.
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Go back to the dark ages.
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Not by name. But Hosea talks a lot about cutting the unborn out of a mothers womb and slaughtering pregnant women. So...pretty sure the Bible condones abortion.
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Thats true of all people.
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I don't think most people understand that makes up a very small percentage of the population of prisons.
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Infinity 436 If God is as loving as you claim, then there is no hell and I'm going to heaven regardless.
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Infinity 436 First of all, you can't even prove this being exists. Second of all, if hell exists, God is a monster. No crime on earth is worthy of eternal punishment. Third, yes I most certainly would. I fact, I have. Not for my own child, but a friend of mines child. Because that's what loving and compassionate people do. They help others even if the other person doesn't give a rat's ass about them.
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If you don't believe, you disbelieve by default. That makes you and agnostic atheit. You are not JUST an agnostic. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@sleepypanda8724 That makes you an agnostic atheist. As are most atheists.
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While unlikely, because it would look super suspicious, legally speaking you could walk out with 20 guns. Just find a private seller.
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Like what? Pro-life arguments are dismantled easily.
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@gracescamander7186 Do you realize how ironic it is for you to state that people who are anti-death penalty are speaking from emotion when your whole argument is from emotion? How about looking at actual facts that a majority of victims and their family are against the idea that capital punishment is justice? How about arguing for or against capital punishment through logic and reason? Oh wait. You can't. Because then you couldn't be pro death penalty, as it has no logical reason behind it that cannot be fixed or debunked.
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Except you don't. In fact, you don't in a majority of states. The gun show loophole doesn't exist because its not a loophole. Its just private sales.
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@XLuthfi No Yeah I know. I however, don't believe in sin or religion.
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@criticclips1560 I'm not the one who believes in an invisible man in the sky
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@criticclips1560 Well, I have never seen God. And neither have you.
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@criticclips1560 Except we can literally create black holes and have evidence of black holes.
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@criticclips1560 You can see it. You can also prove it through observations and experiments. You can't do that with a God. That was my point. I don't know if your God exists. As of right now, I simply don't believe in one.
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@criticclips1560 You can actually see small black holes. That's what people who study things like the HC see everyday. I don't believe in a God, and even your Bible acknowledges other Gods. You have yet to prove anything supernatural is real.
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Generalizing a group is also retarded.
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Its not though is it?
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@sarahjoellestephens Its not. Try reading a dictionary. You may learn something.
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@Inkrack It is far more often that those who are religious try to convert atheists than the other way around. But yes, those militant atheists exist.
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There is only a developing body because it is attached to the mother and essentially parastizing her. What is a fetus without a mother? She is the sentient individual. Her fetus does not have rights above hers. She should do what she thinks is best, whether that be adoption, motherhood or abortion.
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Yeah, not true. That's like saying if a relationship didn't work out, you never really loved your partner.
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Murder, by definition is unlawful. So no it is not murder. Medically and scientifically, a fetus is not a child at the time of most abortions.
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Because its just as easy as "not getting pregnant" Condoms aren't effective all the time. Pills are not effective all the time, are not available to everyone, and cannot be taken by some. That is not how 96% of abortions are performed. You're talking about late term abortions, which are nearly exclusively done for medical reasons. If you want to talk biology, its still MY body. A fetus cannot develop without a womans uterus. Period. Guess what? America isn't the only place where abortion is legal. And I'm proud to live in a country where my rights as a woman matter. They are equal.
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So...you are an atheist. An agnostic atheist. As most are.
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Depends on the show. Private sellers are under no federal obligation to perform a background check.
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Well...there isn't always.
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@parkerdietrick1502 3. All privately. Do not need a background check.
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@parkerdietrick1502 Buying it from a third party. As in, not from a dealer. That is a legal transfer in most states. No background check legally required.
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@parkerdietrick1502 A background check is only federally mandated if you are buying from a dealer.
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Both of those examples are fallacious though. This isn't meant to be a neutral debate. I will never be for capital punishment and firmly believe that it should be abolished. Period. The point of a debate isn't to find middle ground between debaters. Its to allow those with neutral opinions to pick a side.
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No such thing
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@mystogan0771 I'm sure God would know
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Meat isn't "more important" as you can live an often healthier life without it. Its just not harmful in moderation.
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Because you've only experienced the slim minority.
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Yes there is. Private sellers sell at gun shows. No background check required.
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No, but you're a lucky one. Don't be condescending to those of us who were abused by a broken system and were unloved by our parents.
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I'm pro-choice. Feel free to ask me anything.
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If you live in the West, you do not have to supplement vitamins on a vegan diet. You can get all the necessary nutrients you need simply by complementing foods. You can eat a balanced healthy diet without meat. Thats the point.
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@jessejive117 Yes you can. There is nothing that can't be found in a vegan diet that is found in meat, other than B12. B12 can be added to rice, soy and almond milk, and fortified foods do not count as supplements. I'm a vegan that takes absolutely no supplements. I've never heard the organic vs non-organic. Organic just isn't treated in anyway with pesticides or chemicals. My point is that in the West, you can be completely healthy on a vegan diet and in general, plant based diets are healthier.
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No you don't. Depends on who's selling you the gun. Background checks are only mandatory if you are buying from an FFL dealer.
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@sladegrey9272 That username is quite similar to a theist I used to have debates with. Not surprising.
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@IssyFishyy It has been proven. And no. Evoultion does not violate the second law of thermodynamics. In fact, the theory of evolution does not contradict any known laws of physics. Its not my fault you lack an understanding of this. The Big Bang is also proven. We have found the radioactive isotopes exactly where they should be. Its a SCIENTIFIC THEORY. You want to know the most hilarious part? Neither evolution nor the big bang confirms atheism. Your God could still exist. It would just invalidate certain parts of the Bible, which we can already do.
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@IssyFishyy Actually, you seemed to have failed physics. The second law of thermodynamics simply says that the entropy of a closed system will tend to increase with time.the second law of thermodynamics is that it only applies to a closed system - one that does not have anything going in or out of it. There is nothing about the second law that prevents one part of a closed system from getting more ordered, as long as another part of the system is getting more disordered. Nature is capable of generating order out of disorder on a local level without violating the second law of thermodynamics, and that is all that evolution requires. Wrong. We have physical evidence for the Big Bang. Cosmic microwaving background radiation and the redshifting of galaxies. Just because you claim something holds no concrete value doesn't mean you're right. You don't prove things in science. Science is an understanding of our current state. It is always subject to change. The only way something reaches the level of "scientific theory" is if evidence is observed and tested. Sorry, but you're just wrong.
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Which...is an animal product.
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@blueskybluesky3496 A fetus legally doesn't have a right the right to life, but even if it did, it doesn't supercede the mother's liberty. A doctor can't just take your organ without your consent, even if its the only way to save a life.
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Crazy Scarecrow You are never just an agnostic. That is not a stand alone claim. Most theists and atheists are agnostic. It's a knowledge claim, not a belief claim.
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Men should have a say, but no. It is ultimately HER decision. She is the one with the uterus. She is the one consenting to the pregnancy. It is no one's final decision but hers.
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@chicangel2000 Yes it is okay. She did not consent to the fetus being in her body. She has the right to her bodily autonomy. I'm sorry that it worked out that way, but that was HER right.
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Mathilde Young An unborn fetus is not a child. It's a parasitic lump of cells
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Mathilde Young Not all parasites are of a different species. A parasite is simply a being that depends on another for survival. Ummm no. Fingers and toes yes, but it's only just beginning to develop organs. Most abortions take place between 8 and 10 weeks.
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أميرة الطويل No he wasn't. Most atheists are agnostic. Agnostic is a knowledge claim. Atheism is a belief claim. That are not mutually exclusive. She is an agnostic, but she is also an atheist, so saying she isn't atheist is stupid.
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أميرة الطويل No she didn't. She argued that she was an atheist, which the old man said she wasn't
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أميرة الطويل She didn't deny being an agnostic. She denied not being an atheist. He refused to call her an atheist, and just referred to her as agnostic. That's stupid.
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Sorry, but to say an agnostic can't be an atheist is objectively wrong. That's not a matter of opinion. You don't get to change the definition of a word. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. It's a knowledge position. Atheism and theism are belief claims. I am an agnostic atheist. I don't know whether a God exists or not, nor do I deny there could be (agnostic) but based on current evidence, I do not believe in one (atheist). It's really not that hard.
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I disagree. I'm a vegan and my main purpose is for nutrition and health reasons. But I also understand how it comes across that way.
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Very few death penalty cases are dealing with psychopaths or sociopaths, so that's not an argument.
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Psychological exams are unconstitutional. Where do you draw the line at "mental illness"? I have ADHD. Should my rights be taken away because I have a mental illness? What about people with depression, anxiety or OCD? Those people should not be restricted from their second amendment right when they have done nothing to hurt others based only on the ground that they have a mental illness. You are in the minority if you don't have some form of mental illness.
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@youawesome2068 I've never said that for anything other than public schooling, because your children ARE a risk without vaccines. Whether or not YOU get vaccinated or your child does should ultimately be up to you. I do, however, believe you should then be held liable for anything that happens from that choice.
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@Ankh Because at the time I'm talking about, they are sentient beings capable of thought and feeling? You make it sound like I'm a person who believes everyone should just unending freedom when it comes to abortion.
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@mewesquirrel6720 Strawman. Abortion isn't murder, and trying to compare the 2 is disingenuous.
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@mewesquirrel6720 Depends on your subjective morality.
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@Ankh Because your sentience is what defines your personhood. Not the mere fact your alive. Those who are sleeping still have sentience. Comatose people have a spectrum. But this is why there is no pushback to someone else's choice to take you off life support.
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I'll remeber that the next time a human has its ass mauled by a croc or a bear.
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Just because YOU believe they warrant death doesn't mean YOUR opinion should dictate the law. Not everyone believes the way you do.
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Polyamory =/= having sex with everyone. It simply means being un a relationship with more than one person. You can be polyamorous and asexual.
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Tim Account Yes it is. It develops because it is attached to them.
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"I believe immune systems need to be challenged at an early age to get strong" you have proven you know absolutely nothing about the immune system. Potentially exposing you child to a full blown pathogen when their body has never experienced anything of the sort is not thr correct way to build up the immune system. You overtax it and cause lifelong and potentially life threatening problems. Why do you think vaccines expose you to a weakened form of the pathogen. Its so your body has the immunity it needs to respond when faced with an active form in the future.
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@thereGoMapo That you and I agree on. But to just ignore a current medication because it may cause side effects is unreasonable, unrealistic and dangerous.
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@sauloa1748 Believe what you will.
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That is your subjective opinion. That is not an opinion held by all.
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Because condoms are always effective...
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Because that's not the argument.
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Why do you hate me for what I eat?
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@thetokensaregood1965 I don't. Most vegans don't. I'm sorry if you've delt with extremists.
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Because someone who isn't vaccinated is a risk for people who cannot get it and a vector for mutations.
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But, they're not. They may be advocating for that here, but their public profiles oppose vaccines entirely. Bob lost his medical license over being anti-vaccine.
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Tim Account Well, they didn't use legitimate medical journals. Because at the end of them, while they let families know the risks, they actively tell them that its better to get vaccinated.
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Tim Account Because she wouldn't be anti-vaccine if she did. Illegitimate advice is that which is not peer reviewed or studied. That pediatrician who was on the anti-vaccine side had his medical license suspended for providing false information about vaccines. Should you do your research? Yes. Should you discuss a vaccine plan with your doctor? Yes. Do you HONESTLY need every vaccine out there? Probably not. Should that be a reason to not get vaccinated period? Hell no.
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@FlapjackR Believing your opinion is fact when it isn't is called ignorance. Facts are not opinions. Facts are demonstrated.
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Robbins' Nest There is a very big difference between a born, sentient infant and an unborn non sentient fetus.
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That's not true in all cases. Depends on the state and who you're buying from. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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@uhhohipeed1481 No, all of my guns were legally purchased. My state puts no regulations on private sales. Only thing I needed was a valid state issued ID proving i was a resident of the state in which I was purchasing the firearms.
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But the argument is: Humans do not need meat like carnivores. We also have a higher moral compass.
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Ben Mogensen I truly hope this is sarcasm
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Ben Mogensen Then I'm going to assume this was sarcasm.
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Forgiving someone is not the same as advocating against them getting the death penalty. While I know not everyone is me, I "forgave" and advocated against the death penalty for the man who murdered my sister. It was more for me than him.
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He's lost it I believe. At the very least he would still be on probation.
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Because birth control and condoms are always affective, right?
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IssyFishyy Because everyone who engages in sex does it to get pregnant right? Everyone has a choice?
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No, they were just factually correct. Abortion is not murder.
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Lizzie Allen That is absoutely not true and putting people on high blood pressure medication is the last thing you should do to someone with a clotting issue.
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Well, thats not true. Its just different for everyone.
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@SH-is9xl I believe what people mean by "post abortion syndrome" is certain mental illnesses that may persist because of anxiety or guilt after having an abortion, such as PTSD or Depression. These can and do happen. Though these are things that come with any trauma.
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Except that farming doesn't go to feed people. It goes to feed livestock. Less than 5% of food grown is fed to people.
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But that isn't the argument.
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Technically there is, but its poor nomenclature. It simply refers to the private sales of firearms at shows.
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@jamiegilliam3658 So how come none of the 4000 Christian denominations can decide on who God really is? Its almost as if there is no evidence...
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@jamiegilliam3658 Sure. A great example of this is the route to heaven. Some say its through baptisim, the holy spirit, good works, prayer or faith. Which on is it?
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Lizzie Allen And since when did life matter?
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Lizzie Allen Except abortion isn't murder by the established definition of murder. Yes, we do have laws on the books about killings. None about abortion though, until Alabama. Which won't do anything at the federal level.
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I doubt its hatred. Its more irritation that the man is an asshole. Asserting a potentially fictional claim with no evidence IS wrong.
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So your reason for supporting the death penalty is a fallacy.
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@plek3431 Thats called an argument from emotion fallacy and is your subjective opinion.
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Aries 90 A fetus is not an infant nor does it suffer during most abortions. Sex is a human nature, and yes I agree with precautions, but to deny that human nature is unhealthy. Treat the root causes for why a woman would have an abortion. Only then can we end them
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Tamang Tman The fetus doesn't care if it's aborted. It's not fair to force an unhealthy an unhappy life on it.
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Aries 90 Those are what we call outliers, and rarely happen. Yes, you will always find people like that, but to end abortion for everyone because of this isn't fair either. Having an abortion is taking responsibilty. It's coming to terms with the fact that you are not in the frame of mind to raise a child. That takes guts.
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Aries 90 Murder is unlawful, which abortion is not. So no, abortion is not murder. Mind your own business. Sin only applies to those who are religions. The fetus doesn't give a shit, so why should you? You aren't pro life. You're pro birth.
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Aries 90 That's exactly what you would do if you banned abortions
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Depends on who you're buying from
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@Matthew Langley Some sellers at gun shows are non FFL dealers. You do not need a background check unless you are buying from dealer.
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No, it wouldn't work here. And try tazing someone strung out on meth. It does nothing. How about just abolish the death penalty and focus on rehabilitation.
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No. Because thats unconstitutional. Most people have some form of mental illness but are completely competent.
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For not believing in a dark age revenge system?
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@ARC--ms1se "You took a loved one from me, so let me punish you by taking your life from you". That is the textbook definition of revenge. The death penalty provides no benefit to society and laws based strictly on an emotional response should not exist.
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@ARC--ms1se I understand that. That doesn't stop the prosecution from taking the families wishes into consideration in pursuit of the death penalty. Not deserving to live is an entirely subjective opinion and should not be the basis for laws.
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Depends on who you buy them from.
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No. Because you can be poly and asexual. Polyamory is simply about being romantically in love with multiple people. There are things I do with my partner that ai would not do with a friend.
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Fish is a type of meat lol.
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Because people have rights. And people will fight to the death for those rights. Also no. Abortion terminates the development of growing child. To use words like "killing a helpless child" invokes an inflammatory reponse that is entirely disingenuous.
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@IssyFishyy I don't respect those who do not show me respect. Period.
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@IssyFishyy The first refers to others. The second refers only to myself. Will I show disrespect to someone who shows me no respect? No. Do I think you're justified if you do? Yes.
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@e-todlonghair2856 I wasn't rude. I stated my stance on the issue.
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If their mother had never gave birth to them, I wouldn't know them. So that point is irrelevant. Understanding you cannot care for a child is not cowardly nor is it running away. It is taking responsibility, just as any other choice is. "What ifs" hold no ground. You also could be the worse mother and neglect and abuse that child, a common occurance to women forced or guilted into giving birth.
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Sophia Perez Because Jesus Christ is not God. You can believe Jesus Christ was a real person and not believe in a God.
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Not necessarily. Depends on where you live. I've been to multiple gunshows and have had a background check once, but most of the sales I did were private.
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Anthony Olson I'm an atheist and I believe in the supernatural. I just don't believe in a God.
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No such thing as proved beyond all doubt. If you have a death penalty, you will have innocent people die to it.
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@gp556by45 One of the first things they teach you in any law school or any criminal justice course is that evidence can, and has been, wrong. That is why a court finds you guilty beyond reasonable doubt, and the evidence unearthed during the appeals processes is what cements your guilt or innocence. Video can be edited and doctored. I'm in no way implying these cases were. But a video alone will not get you a conviction.
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@hzechgamez If it wasn't illegal for me to do so and I had a guarenteed method of doing it, I probably would. But I don't, and I do go through phases where perhaps life isn't so bad.
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That just makes you a hypocrite.
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I'm against the death penalty. Tell me why you're for it.
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@nbaking5715 Except that doesn't happen. Especially since most gun deaths are suicides
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@nbaking5715 So? That won't lower the suicide rate. They'll just do it another way
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Except, he wasn't right.
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@squirrelio868 Because he was incorrect about the definition of an atheist and an agnostic. If you want to be technical, she's both. Atheism deals with belief. Agnosticism deals with knowledge.
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Eric Meyer She's an agnostic atheist.
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You can eat meat. That part is optional though.
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You do realize that the government doesn't pay for abortions? That's against federal law. If your argument is that they fund places that provide abortions, such as Planned Parenthood, they do more than just abortions.
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@bluecollarnobody4217 Yeah. You keep buying all that conspiracy theory nonsense.
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You can be in love with multiple people. You can also be in love with a single person.
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I am an atheist who has read the Bible. How do you know the Bible is not meant to be taken literally? You dont. Your perception on what the Bible means depends entirely on your subjective interpretation and what sect you belong to.
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Or is just referring to private sellers.
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Most aren't.
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Because psych evaluations are unconstitutional and are in such a gray area it isnt funny.
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As if pro-choice people don't use condoms/always abort.
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They're refering to private sales at shows, which have no background check.
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Vendors at gun shows can be private sellers though.
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They couldn't have. But now, most people can.
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Because he wasnt speaking truth. He was speaking his beliefs as truth when they aren't.
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Someone being a serial killer doesn't mean they have no empathy.
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@celesbianmegastar I dont believe in argument from emotion. I'm against the death penalty for practical reasons not emotional ones.
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They don't really do that here. Shootings have certainly increased, but it is not a common occurrence. Also, almost every western country has access to guns if they really try. No offense, but I'd rathe be shot than bludgeoned or stabbed.
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@MelodiaTodoElDia Yeah, I do mean the US. Because I actually know what goes on. You only know what you hear or what you've been told. And two, greater chance for survival, less painful, or depending on the situation, painless death.
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Except humans aren't apex predators. Not from a scientific perspective.
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Really? I don't believe you. And if you were, it's probably because you picked a fight and were disrespectful, like you're being now. I don't respect your opinion. Its abusive, neglectful, irresponsible, hypocritical and violates rights. However, I respect you as a person, and your right to hold an opinion.
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@wrightway3382 If someone wasn't bothering you, and you confront them, its no wonder people are nasty to you. Your comment was disrespectful, so I simply called you out on it. I do not believe that conversation happened. I'm sorry, but when something doesn't make sense, its usually not true. Especially when you argue a legal position, which is what abortion should be, as a moral argument.
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@wrightway3382 The disrespect came from your use of the term "pro-abortion". You made it sound like all, or even most, pro-choice are celebrating abortions. And I was someone on the completely opposite end. My mother was guilted into not having an abortion when she knew she couldn't support me. And because of that, I was abused and neglected, eventually being permanently disabled. I will never be normal because of it. I wish you luck in life. I just want you to understand both sides, which now, I'm sure you do.
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@wrightway3382 No I read them. I just received notifications for them. And no. That comment was meant for you.
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That is a blatant lie. Meat is one of the main causes of cardiovascular disease and eggs have some of the highest cholesterol. They CAN BE healthy in moderation, but a diet of just meat and eggs would absoultely destroy the cardiovascular system.
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@JustLetMeFly94 I know you need cholesterol. But having too much of it is dangerous to your cardiovascular system. They are nutritious, but you can get that nutrition without the negatives. Meat has been linked to cancer, but so has a lot of other things. I'm not saying meat causes cancer, but it can increase your risk of developing certain cancers. And thats fine if a vegan diet isn't for you. You should follow the diet that makes you feel the best. For me, thats veganism.
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@JustLetMeFly94 That's not true, especially if you eat a variety of vegan foods. Certain plants, such as leafy greens, can cause bloating and diarrhea in people with certain pre-existing conditions such as Chrone's disease or IBS, but has virtually no affect on a healthy individual. But just like anything, it'll take time for your body to adjust to a new diet, so you may have temporary side affects. This works both ways.
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@JustLetMeFly94 Vegans don't just eat plants in the traditional sense. We have all kinds of food to eat. Veganism completely changed my life for the better, so that's why I do it.
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@Ankh So I guess you would say that to a soldier, hmm? They take human life.
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@Joxar You are comparing sentient children, to non-sentient fetuses. And actually, that analogy doesn't even work, since most casualties in war are innocent civilians.
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@Joxar And that is something you can't prove in the slightest. Your argument is a strawman
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@Joxar You're the one who isn't living in reality. Oh also? Its not murder. Murder is a legal term. Try learning what words mean.
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@Joxar Lol no. That is absolutely not what murder is. Murder is the unlawful killing of one person by another. Also, no it doesn't. The "6 week fetal heartbeat" is literally the flutter of neurons that will become the pacemaker for the fetus' future heart. It is in no way comparable to an actual heartbeat that is caused by a fully formed heart. The heart does not develop until 10 weeks, and does not beat on its own until around 18 weeks. A fetus is what it is. A fetus is any unborn mammal. Abortion, in my opinion, is off the table when sentience is gained, which is around 15 weeks. That is well after 97% of abortions.
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Except, he was wrong. If you want to be really technical, she is both an agnostic and an atheist.
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No, but there are plenty of gold Olympians who are vegan. Carl Lewis being one of them.
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No, you just have a high acid, firebombing and stabbing problem huh?
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@jamesbizs It does exist. Its just poor nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to the private sale of firearms at a show. Its given this name because both FFL dealers and private citizens sell at shows. A dealer is required under federal law to provide a background check. A private seller is not in most states.
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So then prove God exists and I will believe in him. Oh that's right. You can't.
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Probably because pro-life individuals call us murderers because we support the rights of women and the dying. Sad that you don't.
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@abicadabby Pro-life support taking away the rights of the mother to her uterus and the right to die from the terminally ill under the guise of protecting a "baby" that is incapable of feelings.
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@spider-mv6442 Considering no one around at the time ever recorded that event happening, no. He may not have existed. I however, don't doubt Jesus did exist. It just seems statistically possible. I don't believe any of the stories behind him, but I do believe he was real.
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Except there is.
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You do not need a background check if you are buying it from a private citizen. All you need in most states is a state issued ID.
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@hunterpatten3776 Private sales happen all the time at gun shows moron. You don't need a license to sell most firearms. You only need an FFL license to be a firearms dealer.
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@hunterpatten3776 Just because they might do a background check doesn't mean they're required to. Texas puts no restrictions on private sales. Here is your law: May not knowingly transfer firearms to anyone intending to use it unlawfully; a child under 18 (without parent or guardian's permission); or an intoxicated person. I live in Indiana. All of my firearms were purchased from non FFL licensed private citizens at gun shows. I have never had a background check.
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@hunterpatten3776 No actually I'm not a liberal. I fully support your right to bare arms. It just makes our side seem weaker when you are wrong on a point that can easily be disproven.
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@travisjohnson7065 You say that as if you aren't treated incredibly poorly for trying to end your life. We don't always get the option to end our lives.
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@travisjohnson7065 Everyone. You do realize it's a crime to commit suicide in most states? Have you seen how people are treated when they're suicide attempts fail? You have 0 knowledge of how awful those that attempt suicide and fail are treated
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@travisjohnson7065 We don't chose to continue living. We're forced to continue to live based on arbitrary rules. The fact still remains that abortion is a right a woman has, no matter how much you wish she didn't. Until you have the technology for an embryo to live without using someone else, it will remain a right. When you lack sentience, you lack personhood.
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@travisjohnson7065 Because we don't have a choice. Being punished for attempting to die takes away thst choice. Slaves were sentient people and slavery was never a right. The two are not comparable.
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They can. Its the monogamous people who usually can't understand having more than one partner.
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Sex is a healthy and natural part of life, and to deny that is unhealthy. I can't take contraception. Does that mean I should never be allowed to have Sex? Abortion is almost never the first option. Quit being a hypocrite.
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Kelsie E. It's not the hormones I can't take. The actual drug that makes the contraception pill I cannot have. You're being a hypocrite by choosing which situations abortions are acceptable. If it's not okay for a women to have an abortion, than its not okay period. Incest and rape shouldn't matter. Very rarely is abortion ever considered a first option, nor is it a form of birth control. Most doctors even limit the number of abortions they will perform on a patient.
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@MoY1600 Because there is no such thing as concrete evidence. That'll be one og the first things you learn in law school or a college CJ course. Things can be wrong. Evidence can be doctored and tampered with. Self defense is another story. But whether or not someone deserves something is subjective and should not be the foundation of any law.
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@sharkas9965 I think she meant saying "scientifically" followed by "I believe" isn't how it works. Not that life doesn't start from conception.
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The Whale Bear It's about sentience not life. Are you a vegan? Murder, by definition, is unlawful. So no. Abortion is not murder.
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The Whale Bear While i agree that 20 weeks is quite late, 8 weeks has barely started to develop organs or a nervous system. Most abortions take place between 8 and 10 weeks. So what if not all animals are human? I think if your pro life and not vegan or you are pro capital punishment makes you a hypocrite. Then again, I suppose everyone is a hypocrite.
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The Whale Bear a) You're full of shit. The nervous system hasn't developed by the time of most abortions, therefore a fetus can not feel pain. It has NO BRAIN, NO NERVOUS SYSTEM, and only the beginning of a brainstem. B) No shit. C) But you're pro life. Why are humans lives more important than other animals? That makes you a hypocrite. If the life of a fetus is precious, so is the life of an animal, which actually is sentient and can actually feel pain. D) Then once again, you don't give a shit about life. You only care about an unborn parasite and not people who actually are sentient and need help. Capital Punishment is a whole othet issue we can get into, but we won't.
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The Whale Bear 1) No. You are misconstrueding what I said. By 8 weeks they are barely developing nerve endings and still have not developed a brain. No brain or neural network? No ability to feel pain. 2) Simple response. So what? I would argue humans do more harm than good. Why are we placed on a pedestal? Better question. Why is it a felony to kill a dog, but it's perfectly normal to kill a cow? Hypocrisy. 3) If you are pro life, you should advocate for all human life. You want to protect a fetus, which is doing nothing but being a parasite to the mother, but want to execute a criminal, who is doing nothing but rotting away in prison. That is not pro life. You're a hypocrite. Yeah. As a compassionate human being, I am willing to give help to criminals who truly want it. People are capable of change. Guess that makes me a better person than you.
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The Whale Bear The Whale Bear 1) I think you need to take a college biology course. Just because you are starting to develop nerve endings does not mean you can feel pain. 2) It is hypocritical of the state. But it's also hypocritical of you. Unless of course, you're a vegan. 3) You are absolutely right. You do not have to advocate for all human life. But that makes you a hypocrite to critize someone else who also doesn't advocate for all human life. The mother decided to have it because she emotionally wanted to take on the role of a mother. That doesn't make the fetus any less of a parasite. You do know that not all people can either take plan B (such as myself) or who's insurance won't pay for it. That shit is 80 dollars here. All fetuses are a complete health hazards to mothers. A fetus doesn't do anything beneficial to it's mother. It's just to most mother's, their body works in a way where they can recover easily what the fetus takes away. Well yeah, that's kind of what prisons are built for. What will ending their life accomplish? You think prisoners can't do go from inside prison? You aren't pro-life in any sense, at least not to me. But that's just an opinion. I guess your also against die with dignity and physician assisted suicide. You can't help monsters? Who are you to decide if they're monsters. You should talk to them sometime. By the way, my last sentence was a joke.
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You should not be able to choose whether or not your child gets care any more than you can choose whether or not your child eats. That is called abuse and neglect.
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I have a feeling most people, regardless of what side they're on, have never experienced something horrid like this. I personally have, and I'm strongly against the death penalty.
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Depends on who and where you're buying from.
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@samisprettygroovy8795 The Bible is not documented history. It was written decades after the fact. We know about things like that from written records and archeological evidence. Yes, some of the things in the Bible is actual historical fact. But certainly not all of it. I don't believe in God because there is no evidence for one. The very fact that you think the Bible is legitimate history proves that you are a "hardcore Christian:
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@samisprettygroovy8795 The difference is that a majority of the Bible was not documented during Jesus's lifetime. It was written centuries after he died via word of mouth. There are no eyewitness accounts in the Bible. Its not your opinion that irritates me. Its the lie you are trying to spread as fact. The Bible is NOT a documented account. It is an account supposedly told by God to men DECADES after the events. Do not call it history. That is a lie.
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@SammyPlayzRoblox The reason I can say I've read the Bible more than you is because you refuse to acknowledge its contradictions. "Do not murder"- Jesus literally commands you to slaughter nonbelievers and those who do not worship God. How is that not murder? I refuse to love a genocidal monster. He is undeserving of that love. I have no faith in him because he refuses to show me evidence of his existence. So no, I will tell you that. Because you are biased.
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Maybe she thinks that most gunshows are private sellers.
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Bruce Williamson You mourned the miscarriage because that's what humans do. That's a human reaction. Women don't want to have an abortion. No one wants that choice. But they understand they cannot car for that child as they should.
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@nf4866 Adoption is not always an option, birth control is not always available, can be taken, or fails, and abstinence defys your body's natural instincts and is extremely unhealthy, both physically and mentally.
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@nf4866 Adoption agencies are overcrowded and children have been turned away. Not only that, but it isnt free to put a child up for adoption. I don't know where you live, but to get over the counter birth control here is nearly $50. And it isn't available everywhere, nor can all women take it (like myself). Also, "extremely" and "always" are not interchangeable. Birth control is never always effective, and I know several women who got pregnant on birth control. There is plenty of scientific evidence to show that abstinence is unhealthy only when you force your body to remain abstinent. Some people just aren't interested in sex, and abstinence is perfectly fine for them. But someone who has an active libido who represses it does damage physically and mentally.
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@nf4866 If masturbstion works, then by all means. I absolutely think abortion should be a last resort. Condoms fail. Especially cheap ones. Now, they do work most of the time. But they are not a guarantee. And you still run into the problem of some people being unable to use them. No matter what I showed you, you would dismiss it because you disagree with me. The research is out there if you want it. I'm not trying to change your mind on abortion. Just showing you the other side.
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@nf4866 Then I would personally like to know where you live, because putting a child up for adoption is never free, considering the legal paperwork involved. You sure you were looking at adoption centers and not foster homes? Ahh. You're lucky enough to live in an area where the adopting family pays the costs. No wonder those children never get adopted.
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Because people are different. I have been married to my husband for almost 7 years now, and he and I love our partner just as much as we love each other. Why is that so bad to you?
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Unintelligent Individual It is not a matter of life. It is a matter of sentience.
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@Humanity Galatica One is sentient. The other is not.
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@Humanity Galatica Animals are not enemies. Humans are worse enemies to us than animals.
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Does it? I've met many people, myself included, that would choose to be aborted if we could.
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Humans are animals. Homo Sapiens to be specific.
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Disagreement with capital punishment or saying people can change is not defending murderers and rapists.
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@jonathanross7324 No, you inferred that.
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Its only illegal if the person you are buying from is an FFL dealer. There is no such restriction on private sales, which frequently happen at shows. I'm pro-gun, but you make the argument look bad when you don't know the facts either.
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What make it a race issue?
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@RA-ie3ss Most closely? Mithra and Horus. I'm not saying Jesus didn't exist. I'm just saying his story is extremely similar to others. Christians took Christmas from the pagans, as well as Easter.
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The pro side has no facts. The death penalty isn't a deterrent, its more expensive, it risks executing innocents. What facts are you talking about?
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No actually. By not buying meat, I don't support any industry that uses other sentient creatures for profit. There is no humane way to keep and slaughter an animal. Then again, I'm not vegan for moral reasons so...
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No, because that isn't true. I love my partners just as much as monogamous people love theirs.
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@mathildeyoung1823 And human psychology tells us that we as humans don't care about life in a general sense. No, pro-lifers believe that a fetus has personhood and its rights should trump the rights of the mother. Pro-lifers also don't think a person should have a right to put an end to their own life if they are in pain.
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@mathildeyoung1823 When you make the statement that abortion needs to be illegal because a fetus, which is neither legally nor philosophically a person, has a right to life, you are elevating that right above a mother's right to liberty.
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Once again. Not true. Private sales have no federal mandatory background check and have no restrictions in a majority of states. I have never had a background check on any of my legally purchased firearms, because my state does not put restrictions on private sales.
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@sarahnunez318 Apex predators are dependent on diet, not whether or not they have predators. And even if that was the case, we do have predators. We just don't often live around them. To truly be at the top of a food chain, scientifically speaking, one must only consume the flesh of other predators. We based food chains on trophic levels, not predation.
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Then you aren't pro-life. True pro-life is against abortion in any circumstances. A fetus doesn't have a choice because it can't make a choice because it isnt sentient.
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@squidward4285 Nice rebuttal there.
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@squidward4285 So...you agree that you aren't pro-life? Or that abortions should be legal? What are you agreeing to
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@squidward4285 No, they should be legal. To many children in adoption and foster homes waiting for families. I am tired of seeing abused children come into the juvenile hall screaming they wish they had never been born
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@squidward4285 Do you really think every child who is put up for adoption is eventually adopted? Because they're not. And that is not an opinion. That's a fact. Would have wanted life? How do you know that? I hear children every day bang their heads against concrete and scream "I wish I had never been born"
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@squidward4285 Once again, we as humans don't take issue with killing life. You do it every day. We just put humans on a pedestal for some reason
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@squidward4285 No, we're certainly not the most intelligent. We just have the highest congnative function. If you're only reason for being pro-life is because it "kills", you're a hypocrite unless you're against killing anything that's living.
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Because "guilty beyond reasonable doubt" always means guilty? So how do people get their sentences overturned?
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Show me a fetus that has a body without the use of a person's uterus. It doesn't exist. "Fetus" is the accurate term for any in utero mammal. "Baby" is post utero. Calling an unborn fetus a baby is factually wrong for anything other than a colloquial conversation. I'm sorry that the fact that you aren't special and have no inherent value upsets you so much.
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@prestonpersonal No, you're trying to twist the truth into a narrative that paints people who call something for what it is lacking humanity. And that's just dishonest. No, you're pro "making people do with their bodies what I think should be done and I'll make them feel awful if they don't abide by my morality.
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Strawmanning the argument. You aren't making a choice for someone else when you have an abortion. A fetus is incapable of making a choice on a biological level at the time of most abortions.
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@penmaster003 Yes it is. A non-sentient fetus has no rights. What is so difficult to understand about that?
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@penmaster003 Depends on the person. Abortion does not make a choice for someone else because legally, a non-sentient fetus doesn't have rights. Argument from morality is not a valid argument. Also, no we don't. Some humans may respect others and others do not. We have animalistic instincts as well, as we are animals.
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@penmaster003 Your entire post is nothing but an argument from emotion fallacy. Until you can treat the root causes of why abortion happens, it will always occur. And as someone who was a failed abortion, I would have rather not known life at all then live the absolute shithole I did. Anecdotal or not, death is not the worst thing in the world. The fact that you are okay with children suffering is disgusting and vile. Just as you see me for supporting a right to abortion. Agree to disagree.
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@parthenon5106 So what?
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@parthenon5106 So why is abortion immoral if to you it doesn't matter? You wouldn't be here if it didn't matter.
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According to the Bible she would. Especially if she got remarried. Thats adultery.
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@andyscott15 Perhaps in your branch of Christianity. But that is certainly not universal
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@andyscott15 Denomination. Of which there are over 4000.
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But there's not. I've never had a background check on any gun I've purchased. Private sales are a thing.
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@thomasyager2603 You go through a background check anytime you buy from a dealer. Its cheaper for us here to go to private vendors at shows then to go to dealers and stores.
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How is abortion not responsible? Its recognizing you are unfit to care properly for a child.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Depends on the health and age of the dog, but thats a false equivalence fallacy.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Well its not. Considering one is sentient independent of its mother and one is not.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 I also view the fetus as human life, because it is. Everyone is a clump of cells. Thats just a fact. I don't believe you should be allowed to take the rights of someone else.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 Because I argue abortion is a legal and rights matter, not a moral issue. I can grant you abortion as being wrong but being a lesser of two evils. Legally, a fetuses rights stop at the uterine wall. If the object of discomfort is using his body without his consent then yes, in my legal opinion, he is absolutely justified in killing it. We don't care about life. You destroy life on a daily basis. We care about sentience.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 That is a false equivalence fallacy. You evicting someone has nothing to do with a violation of your rights. Consent to sex is NOT consent to pregnancy. Not doing anything wrong? Its a parasite on the woman. Why do you think we stress neo-natal care? Because a fetus literally steals your nutrients to live. We could argue morals all day. But legally, she has the right to abort. Her fetuses right to life does not supersede her right to liberty. Whether or not you've ended human life is irrelevant. By the way, if you pay taxes and you live in the US, then you have indirectly ended human life. Holding one sentient life higher than another is hypocritical in my opinion. And yes, if allowed to develop will become sentient. So? No. Life to me is not inherently valuable or respected. I don't hold that opinion to other animals, so why humans? I'm not a hypocrite.
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No its not, because agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. Anyone who is honest is an agnostic. It means "I don't know"
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@ratofvengence Thats also a flat out lie, as there is no concise definition to a 1st world country. Mexico, by definition, would be a first world country because of its development. So would Brazil. Both of these countries have higher homicide rates than the US.
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Because this is a moral argument. Facts are neutral and can be used to debate either side. For instance, the same fact could be used to argue for or against abortion. Thats what happens when you debate a moral issue.
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@janieswanson2549 I am vegan.
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@janieswanson2549 By the way, just to add, I'm not vegan for ethical reasons. I'm a dietary vegan. And the actual definition of veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.
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Your mother shouldn't blame herself for a genetic disorder.
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@gabbiel7130 We are animals. Animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. That includes humans Humans also have instincts. They do have a concept of right and wrong. But its limited to their environment. They do whats best for their species to survive, as do we. You actually need to take a biology class. Many animal species are smarter than humans. I have the legal right to my body. So yes, I do have the right to abort.
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@gabbiel7130 Humans are animals whether you like it or not. By the way, bringing up a supernatural entity never proven to exist doesn't help your case.
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@gabbiel7130 Humans are animals. Thats just a fact. God is not a fact. God has yet to be proven. Evoultion is a fact. It has been tested and proven. Now, God may one day be proven. But as of right now, creationism is a hypothesis. Adam and Eve did not literally exist. That is also a fact. You are free to believe in whatever you want, but your beliefs do not change reality. It hasn't stopped. Humans have stopped because we have evolved to our fullest capability. But there are things that are still evolving. Also, we didn't evolve from apes. Apes and humans share a common ancestor. Your DNA is 98% the same to that of primates. We just lucked out on the fusion of chomosome 2. No, you haven't seen a God's blessings. You've attributed natural occurances to God. Thats called confirmation bias.
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So? The unborn is not sentient and cannot feel. At least during most abortions.
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Congratulations on being lucky.
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Every gun show I've been to allows for private sellers to sell, which does not require a background check in most states. I have never had a background check on a firearm. Seems to me you are also a little misinformed.
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No.
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@byanzilski5504 No. No its not
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Everyone knows that a vaccine does not protect you from getting the virus. What it does is give your immune system a head start that can prevent you from getting it or of you do get it, having a milder strain. If anything, vaccines cause companies to lose money. Not gain it. You don't pay for vaccines in the US in the majority of places and they have been proven to be effective. Like any medicine, they carry side effects. If you need medication, take it. Many harmful things are "natural". You cannot blame medicine for everything that happens to you.
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The VAERS site is meerly people who have reported a POTENTIAL vaccine effect. Doesn't mean whatever they experienced was actually caused by the vaccine. Thats why each case is looked into.
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Private sales are not federally mandated. That's where the supposed loophole comes from.
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If you have a child with autism, that child was born with autism. It did not suddenly "get" autism.
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A person who is non-binary doesn't fell as if they fall into either gender on a consistent basis. She's saying there is more than two genders because there are.
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No it wouldn't. That would only allow criminals to have guns. No mass shootings doesn't mean 0 homicide or violence rate. I'd rather be shot than stabbed or bludgeoned.
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No. She's an extremist
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Gotta take in all the other factors though.
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Weston Euler Funny, because everyone I've talked to said they would have rather been aborted.
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Thats...not what defines a food chain.
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This conversation is not about those with medical exemptions. Your parents do not know more about your body than a physician does. That gets old quickly.
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@kinglycaon3627 If you disagree with a doctor based on a past medical history, then you get a second opinion. Many diseases mimic other diseases. Believe me, I know doctors make mistakes. Hell, I have epilepsy and a doctor overdosed me on Benadryl because he thought I was simply having panic attacks, a drug whose actice ingredient is known to cause seizures. I'm sorry you had a bad experience with a doctor, but in general, they know your child better medically. They should take what parents say into consideration, but I've seen MANY parents who act like they know everything and act like total assholes.
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If "taking a life" is murder, then farming would be murder. Capital punishment would be murder. War would be murder. Euthanasia would be murder. But they're not. Murder is a LEGAL term. Not a MORAL one. You know what else is a living and growing being? That McDonald's cheeseburger you probably ate within the last week.
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Salsa Bila The right to life is equal to all other rights. Quit trying to put it above other rights. The point isn't to make a comparison. Its to prove a point. You didn't care about that other life that was taken. So be morally consistent.
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Salsa Bila No, I don't. I think to be morally consistent, you have to extend that "not killing" thing to all sentient life. A fetus, legally, doesn't have rights. And thats something we can even agree on that they should. But the rights of one do not trump the rights of another. If the fetus is human, then I know its human from conception. Its sentience that matters to me. I am consistent. You, however, are not.
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Salsa Bila And I have already stated that nearly all abortions are performed before sentience is achieved. Nearly everyone who is pro-choice has a "cutoff point". So no, I didn't contradict myself.
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Salsa Bila Thats a very easy statistic to google, and I am not in the habit of doing the work for for you. Yes, some people have the opinion that there should be no limit on abortion. Thats the problem with debating from morality. There are state cutoffs for abortion for a reason. You are quite ignorant if you think I'm lacking self-awareness. Bottom line, I don't care what someone chooses to do with their own body. Period. And to control what one can or cannot do with their own body is unconstitutional.
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Playing devil's advocate, but because they must. Humans do not need to eat animals.
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Humans are not obligate omnivores though. Thats the issue when it comes to the ethics side of things.
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@abbygriffin9105 I understand that. But many people try to make the argument that you can't get proper nutrition from a strictly vegan diet. Whether or not you are a meat eater doesn't matter to me. Its people who like to say that vegans are unhealthy or that meat is healthy for you that I have an issue with.
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@abbygriffin9105 Well. Meat isn't exactly healthy for you. Its just not harmful in moderation.
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But they don't.
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Yes you can. In 38 out of 50 states. Private sales often happen at shows. Still not a loophole, but very possible.
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They're probably dressed the way they are because vegans abstain from animal based clothing as well.
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Thats hypocritical.
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Felitia Librea Not murder. Murder is by definition unlawful.
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They are. There's a vaccine court and you can sue the manufacturer directly if that fails. But you must have absolute proof that it WAS a vaccine that caused injury.
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A fetus has no rights, if we're being 100% honest. And even if it did, its rights would be equal to that of the mother. You do not get to live at someone else's expense.
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And I wish she had. Why would anyone want to abort? Financial ruin. Mental health problems. Physically disabled. Rape. Incest. Medical complications. Straight up don't want a baby. There's a list.
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No, but that should be taken into consideration. It's called a mitigating factor.
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Except he was wrong. Because agnosticism and atheism, in the colloquial sense, are not mutually exclusive. You can be both. And most are. If you had someone try to tell you what you were, then cut you off when you tried to explain, you'd be pissed too.
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@syed7912 No, he wasn't trying to explain to her what it is. And that wasn't what he said. His words were "you're not an atheist. You're an agnostic." And he was wrong. And then when she tries to explain, he cuts her off and once again, says she isn't atheist. I agree she could have handled it better, but it sounded like you were trying to defend him when he doesn't deserve it. He was wrong, and she got annoyed. She then let her emotions get out of control.
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Humans are animals. Why is it not okay to cannibalize somone? Strictly based on the logic of "animals are made to be eaten"?
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@lisaalisa84 God has never been proven to exist. Your argument has no basis.
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@lisaalisa84 I'm not against people, nor do I care what you eat. No, God does not have evidence. You just have confirmation bias.
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@lisaalisa84 Yeah. Thats called confirmation bias.
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@lisaalisa84 And I'm sorry for you that you need a God in order to have purpose.
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And you're a liar. Congrats.
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You do realize it isn't cheating if everyone consents right? Monogamy isn't easy if you aren't monogamous.
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Many more people convert from religion than convert to religion.
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Nothing will change your mind, because you have something called cognitive dissonance. The fact is, there aren't two genders. And whether or not you believe that doesn't really matter.
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BMore One, that isn't true. And two, what about people who are XXX? XXY? XXYY? Klein felters? We have multiple ways of determining sex. Gametes, Phenotype, Geneotype, Chromosomes. Gender is an entirely social construct. In the early days, every baby was called a "girl". And humans around the world do not acknowledge the typical male and female gender because of culture or tradition. There's a difference between biology and sociology/psychology.
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BMore No one is twisting the meaning. Just because people agreed they meant the same thing doesn't make it true. Gender has always been a social construct.
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BMore I would take your own advice. Because you're wrong.
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Yeah...that all is fine and good...but I would be interested in seeing your evidence.
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@radachelkollie4048 Scientists have never proven Jesus existed. In fact, we have no historical evidence proving he did. Now, I'm sure he did based solely on probability. And no, Jesus existing does not prove a God, since there is no evidence he was divine. One of the most accurate historical books? Man, you really are delusional. Adam and Eve did not exist. Noah's flood did not occur. In fact, one of the crucial elements to the Bible, the Exodus, very likely never occured. You can take vague scriptures and claim they were fulfilled prophecies all you like. The Quran has the same thing. I did read and study the Bible. In fact, I've probably studied it more than you. That's what turned me into an atheist. No. Horribly incorrect. I spent to majority of my life as a Christian, then read and studied the Bible from an outside perspective, the the knowledge that I was right and that the Bible was true. That's when it was inconsistent, and frankly, straight up didn't happen. You, ma'am have a condition called confirmation bias.
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@radachelkollie4048 Not trying to prove you wrong. God may exist. But there is no evidence of one. And the Bible is historically inaccurate ans was eritten by anonymous people up through the 1st century. Its been changed numerous times I choose not to believe in God because there is no evidence of one
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@yaknowdavibezz4092 Your starting under a false premise. Things evolved. We don't know how the first life got here, but to juat stick God in is a fallacy.
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@yaknowdavibezz4092 The difference between you and me is that my life would not change whether there is or isn't a God. Your life, however, would entirely fall apart if there was no God.
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@radachelkollie4048 Maybe. I certainly don't believe that though. And you can not say that for certain. You believe there is a God.
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@radachelkollie4048 No, you don't. That is a flat out lie. You believe in a God
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@radachelkollie4048 To know something that is supernatural would make that thing not supernatural. You BELIEVE. You do NOT know. Quit being dishonest.
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10 LMS No, I am talking to someone who believes in a God. The narrow minded one here is you. I acknowledge that I could be wrong. That a God might exist. But YOU are not even open to the possibilty that a God does NOT exist, or even the possibility that you are worshipping the wrong God. Evoultion has been observed and tested. Deny reality all you want. Gravity is a theory. Would you jump of a skyscraper just because "its a theory?" No. Because a scientific theory is the highest rank you can achieve in science. I'm not arrogant. I don't claim to know the unknowable. I don't deny basic history by saying the "Bible is accurate" nor do I claim to know something I can't possibly know.
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@yaknowdavibezz4092 Everybody who claims to "know a God exists" IS lying. Period. Because you simply don't. You have a strong belief. You can't give characteristics to a being who may not exist. So to claim he loves me is also a claim that requires evidence. I have no interest in returning to a set of arbitrary and, frankly, abhorrent rules by some being who cannot be bothered to present evidence of existence. I don't need to be saved. As an atheist, I win regardless.
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@yaknowdavibezz4092 Anecdotal biased testimony is not evidence.
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10 LMS I didn't tell you what you believed. You are free to your belief. That is not the issue I have. I have an issue when someone claims to know something they cannot possibly know. There is a difference between knowledge and belief. "I know God". You are a liar. Knowledge stems from evidence. Belief stems from faith. You cannot have a relationship with a supernatural being. That is delusional. The word "gravity" is never once mentioned in the Bible. Shall we go over all the things the Bible just painly gets wrong? You were born an atheist. Everyone is. You are raised into Christianity and then accept it or reject it based on personal experience. Nothing wrong with that. But call it what it is. Belief. You do understand Christianity is not monotheistic right? Ever wonder why the first commandment is "thou shall have no other Gods before me?" Your book acknowledges other Gods, but they are just that. Lesser deities. Whereas there is only one ultimate creator.
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@yaknowdavibezz4092 If God helps you feel better, fine. More power to you. God did the exact opposite for me. Your father obviously cared. I don't need to look to a supernatural entity to find comfort
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Depends on the divorce. The problem with your God is his rules are arbitrary and vague and you can interpret a variety of things from them
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@aaroncovert5497 If the Bible is to be taken literally, its a monstrosity. Actually, no it isn't. A woman is supposed to take her punishment. Only if the man's abuse escalates to where her life is at risk can she leave. And if she does, she cannot remarry, as that is committing adultery.
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You CAN'T remove guns from the situation. A lot of people in Europe own guns, they're just owned illegally. Just because Europe doesn't have mass shootings doesn't mean they have a 0 gun homicide rate. You've never heard of that because mass shooters target gun free zones or states that have strict gun laws.
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@mallikadhuys Your customs are different than ours. No one is surprised when it happens. It happens because mass shooters know where they can find easy targets
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@mallikadhuys No, problem increased. Criminals will still have guns. You have just stripped my ability to defend my home from getting robbed or me from being able to feel safe going to college.
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Thats not true.
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My parents didn't want me and my mom was guilted into having me. I was abused, neglected and hurt to the point of now as an adult, being permanently disabled. You're not the only one with a story.
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@Somewheresouthbar Not if the guards are doing their job.
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@Somewheresouthbar You've clearly never worked in a prison. Shakedowns happen every day, and rarely do inmates harm other inmates or staff. It certainly happens, but not often
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Humans do have natural predators, including man-eaters such as hyenas, bears and crocodiles. Food chains are based on trophic levels. We are certainly not scientifically at the top of the food chain.
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@elizabethgorman6467 That doesn't matter. We still have predators that would attack us unprovoked. We are not the top of the food chain.
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@elizabethgorman6467 Being a main part of their diet has nothing to do with how we, scientifically, develop food chains
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It does exist, its just misnamed. Background checks are only done by dealers. Private sellers have no obligation to perform a background check. Gun shows usually have vedors that are both.
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@AdamTerryy Private sellers are under no legal obligation to provide a background check. Only those who hold an FFL are obligated to perform a background check. Do you not know the difference between a private seller and a dealer?
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@AdamTerryy You do not have to be a "gun vendor" or an FFL dealer to legally sell a firearm. Private sales exist for that reason. And you don't need a background check in the majority of states for private sales.
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Its not necessary. At all. Deserving of something is a biased, subjective, emotional fallacy that has no place in law.
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@stuff5757 Depends on why they are a thief. Being punished by going to prison is not equatable to a death sentence.
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Ethical vegans are against taking sentient life, which plants are not but animals are, and find it hypocritical how if what was done to say, a cow, was done to say, a dog, you'd be crying animals abuse.
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Well, as a dietary vegan, those two subjects have nothing to do with each other.
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A fetus is recognized as a baby, medically and scientifically, after birth.
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@mythicalme6613 Thats called an argument from emotion fallacy.
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A vegetarian abstains from eating meat, but still uses other products like milk, eggs, honey and clothing. A vegan abstains from all animal based products if possible.
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@Mr.Justanotherdude I guess it depends on where you live and who you are.
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@jianalinksydo1542 I do know what its about. I just acknowledge the book as a whole, instead of picking and choosing what I like and don't like. I'm an atheist, so don't bother with the God nonsense. Funny, because murder is entirely permissible if done by God's standards
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@jianalinksydo1542 If your God is a loving and just, he can't be wrathful. Those are opposites of each other. I'm not going to obey a tyrant, even if I did believe in him, any more than I would obey the dictator of a country. I don't listen to monsters.
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@jianalinksydo1542 Bro, quoting scripture at me is thoroughly unconvincing. WE didn't do anything. Even if the Adam and Eve story were true (and it's not) to punish EVERYONE for the crimes of TWO people is despicable. Your parents punish you for what YOU do wrong, but punishment is meant to teach a lesson. Its also supposed to be finite. If you are threatened with eternal damnation for lack of obedience, that is not love. You wouldn't accept that reasoning in the real world. You'd call it abuse. I don't believe Jesus did anything other than preach against the government of the time. There is no sacrifice in a 3 day death. Kindly fuck off with your excuses for abuse.
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Robbie Underwood I can make perfect sense of the world without a supposed divine carpenter
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That doesn't make you an anti-vaxxer. Anti-vaxxers advocate against getting vaccines because they are harmful. Sounds like you just don't want them.
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@rorothegoatboat The mother controls everything the fetus does through the placenta until the fetus is able to develop the brainstem and the neural network functions. This is long after most abortions. Nothing has the right to use someone else for its development without explicit consent. We have a word for that. Parasite. Until you can show me a fetus that develops without the use of a living person's uterus, you have no case.
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Well, all these pro-lifers are automatically anti-euthansia
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No. In very rare cases, vaccines can cause seizures.
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Is that why he commanded his people to rip out and murder the unborn in Hosea? Or did you skip that chapter?
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Yes you can. Buy it from a private vendor.
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That wasn't what he said, so no, he wasn't right. He was trying to say that she wasn't an atheist and that atheists can't believe in the supernatural.
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That would be a strawman argument. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Its impossible to hold neither a disbelief or a belief. That's an oxymoron. Atheism refers to the knowledge of a God. Most atheists (and theists for that matter) are also agnostics. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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Ivara Skathi If you don't hold a belief in a God, you are an atheist. If I ask you the question "Do you believe in God?" and your answer is anything other than "Yes", then you lack a belief. Logan is trying to argue there is a difference belief wise between an agnostic and an atheist, when that is not the case. You can't be neither. That's the point. You either believe or you don't. If you are unsure, then you don't believe currently
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Ivara Skathi The lack of a belief in a God is not a claim. Lack of belief is not belief in a negative. You're already working on a false pretense. To say you do not believe in God is NOT saying a God cannot or does not exist. Agnosticism, unless you are speaking philosophically, is not a position at all. It is literally saying "I don't know." That tells me nothing about your belief. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief at all. If an agnostic "doesn't truly believe anything" then they are an atheist. Because its not. Its paradoxical. If you don't truly believe, then you lack a belief my default.
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Ivara Skathi I sorry but no. You are wrong. I am an atheist, and do not claim that a God does not exist. I am both in that aspect. An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God. If you don't believe in anything, but you don't claim to know, you are colloquially both an atheist and agnostic I think where your confusion lies is the definition you are using. I believe you a speaking from a philosophical perspective, because then, you would be correct. But thats not the definition most of us use. We use the coloquial definition.
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Ivara Skathi Except you're not? Because if you were, you would understand the difference between not believing in something and claiming something doesn't exist. Most atheists, are in fact, also agnostics. Yes! I am an agnostic atheist. That's what I've said from the beginning. However, I just call myself an atheist, because the term agnostic is meaningless in colloquial conversations.
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Since a true living God has never been demonstrated, kinda hard to believe in "the one". You're slipping into the no true scotsman there.
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@jaysims1067 I have two children and they are very happy. I'm just honest, unlike most people. Sure, you'll say that, but that's very rarely what happens in practice.
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People slip through the cracks. Also, sometimes we don't get the whole story, so we paint a picture and then fill in the gaps. And thats not rational.
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Its more expensive to execute them. And no, it doesn't bring closure. It doesn't bring the dead back.
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@lolashay219 How about make it readily availave to everyone?
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No, its not
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We don't have a mass shooting issue. And the problem is that banning guns will not stop mass shootings. Why do you think we have a gun issue? We just don't.
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That is by far the stupidest argument I have ever heard.
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I think she's referring to private sales.
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But they do have guns. So we should too.
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You know a way to deal with the problem of an unwanted pregnancy? Abortion.
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God creating anything has yet to be proven.
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No it isn't. By definition, murder is unlawful. That's like saying war is murder. We all lucky to have a life? Great job showing your privilege. Some of us are so unhappy we wish we never had life. All life is valuable? Prove it. Prove life is inherently valuable. Life only has value if someone gives it value. No one should be made to suffer. Death is not the worst option.
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@hhhuthhhjj5599 Most people are happy to live? Where's your imperical data on that? Oh, thats right. You don't have any. Because you cannot speak for anyone else. Ever stop to consider that a fair number of people don't WANT life? You can't prove a subjective opinion. You may believe human life is valuable, but I do not.
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@hhhuthhhjj5599 Depression is not the only condition tha incurs suicidal thoughts. To answer your question, depends on the situation.
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You are using an argument called Pascals Wager. That is the weakest argument. What happens if there IS a God, but it isnt the Christian one? Then you're still damned because you were worshipping the wrong deity. If there is a God, and he is all loving, then there is no hell. No loving being would punish someone for eternity for any crime. As an atheist, I win no matter what. Either a) There is no God. b) There is an all forgiving God, and I get into paradise regardless of belief or c) God is a monster and a tyrant who isnt worth my love, and I'd rather be in hell.
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Pro-life never has arguments.
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Because thats not terrible advice. People don't work like that.
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M I haven't been getting any notifications from you, so I apologize.
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Anyone can be poly.
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@walkingintruth6206 God has never been proven to exist and these "rules" do not exist.
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Because that isnt true. The requirements depend entirely on who you're buying from and the state. I have NEVER had a background check on any of my firearms. All of mine were purchased at shows from non-dealers. Privates sales have NO FEDERAL MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECKS
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@Jam Cal I am aware of that. But not everyone who sells at shows are licensed dealers.
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@Jam Cal thank you.
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Murder by definition is unlawful, something abortion is not. I don't need to change you're mind. You are simply objectively incorrect.
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Because a fetus is not a sentient being. That's the difference. Oh your Christian? Your God actively supports abortion in the Bible. But I bet that's the metaphorical part, right? So you'd rather see a mother in financial ruin and abuse and neglect her child then see it be aborted when it isn't sentient? How very Christian. Adoptions aren't free. And there's no guarentee at happiness or a stable life for a child that is thrown in the system. 66% of children in juvenile hall are adopted and/or in foster care. Congrats on adopting. You can't take care of them all.
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Took me all of 45 minutes to purchase a gun at a gun show. Just buy it from a private seller.
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How is it selfish to be happy with other people who are happy? That's ridiculous. Also how is it unsafe? You clearly don't understand how poly relationships work. Of course you'd be unhappy. You aren't poly
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@passionskayandmiguel So why do you hate veganism? Is it just some of the people?
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The men should always be included. But they never have final say. And they shouldn't. Its not your rights in question.
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Its not just education. And they don't actually have that strict of gun laws. Thats part of it. But its also the culture and mental illness stigma that we have here in the US.
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Not necessarily. Depends on who and where you buy the gun. The loophole refers to a private sale at a show, which you do not need a background check for.
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@Azymss I never said you should. If you're happy and you are respectful of others, that's great. I was only pointing out that if you want to convert people, Pascals Wager is a weak argument.
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There are different categories of veganism and one strictly is a diet. A dietary vegan. Though most are a mix of all 3 types.
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But a D&C can be a method of abortion. Its just also a medical procedure used for other things.
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They could. However, that's dependent on a lot of factors.
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Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. That only says "the knowledge of God is unknown". Everyone should be agnostic. Are you an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist?
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@alexfernandez6621 If you can't definitively say that you believe in God, you are an atheist.
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@alexfernandez6621 Yes. Thats why you're agnostic. If you're statement is "I don't know a God is real, but I don't really believe in one or don't know if I believe in one" you are an agnostic atheist.
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@Amy-zw4mk So you don't believe you should have the right to your own body? That's disturbing in all honesty.
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@Amy-zw4mk A fetus is part of ypur body, whether you like that idea or not, and is developing what would become its own body by leeching off of you. Its not you not supporting abortion that I find disturbing. Its you believing abortion should be illegal, and women being prosecuted that I find disturbing.
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@Amy-zw4mk Perhaps it would be more accurate to say the fetus is developing its own body by attaching to the mother. Is that easier for you? It still, legally, is using her body for development and is attached. Its still, legally, her body. And it still needs her consent to stay there. She has the legal right to terminate an attachment she does not consent to.
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@Amy-zw4mk I think miscarriages are sad. I think abortions are sad. I just understand why they happen.
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@Amy-zw4mk Whether or not you agree with it doesn't change the legality of it. I could agree with you that abortion is wrong, and still argue its a lesser of two evils. No, that is not accurate. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. You make concious choices for other people every day. A non-sentient fetus cannot choose. And it does have rights. Its rights just don't supersede the mother. What you try to do (in general, not you specifically) is try to elevate the right to life over all other rights. That isn't right, fair or equal. The fact remains that women will always have the right to abortion, as they should. The instant bodily autonomy is no longer a right will be a terrible day for our country.
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@Amy-zw4mk Because it does terminate the development of a human. Thats sad, and I wish that people were in better states to raise a child before having sex. Unfortunately, that is not the reality we live in.
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@Amy-zw4mk A 1 year old baby may not be able to verbally communicate in a manner we can understand, but it certainly can think and feel. It is sentient. A fetus up to a certain point is not. Okay, then let me provide you with a question, since life matters most. I am currently suffering kidney failure and require a transplant to live. You are found to be a match. Should a doctor be able to take out your perfectly healthy vital organ, potentially causing you issues for life, without your approval or consent simply because it will keep me alive? No. That's unfair of you to have to suffer simply so I can live. Rights are not inherent. You are not entitled to anything. You have a right to life only because a governmental body says you do. And my right to life does not and should not supersede your right to your own bodily autonomy. That's why organ donation is VOLUNTARY. Here's another question. Is death the worst possible scenario? Most people would rather die than be tortured mentally and physically over a prolonged period of time. That is what you do to a child when you are unfit to raise it. You either statistically set it up for failure, or end up killing it anyways. Even with all my accomplishments and my "success" story, I would have rather been aborted then live with the torment I faced at the hands of unfit parents and a broken state system.
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@einsofjehohazabraham5957 I could give you a list of animals that, intellectually speaking, are smarter than humans.
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@einsofjehohazabraham5957 Racoons, Crows, Pigeons, Dolphins, Chimpanzees, Elephants. All of these animals have higher intelligence level, scientifically speaking. That being said, it depends on what your definition of intelligence is.
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@einsofjehohazabraham5957 Have fun.
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@huh5007 Nope. Not true. You can be vegan without supplements. B-12 fortified almond and rice milks are available everywhere, and has just as much b12 as an ounce of beef.
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Wouldn't you hate someone that was trying to restrict your rights to your own body? I don't hate people who are pro-life. I hate the pro-life argument. Because it prevents me from making my own choices in my own life.
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Depends on the shoe.
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So then explain to me what that would do? How would killing her rapist take back the rape?
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@VD-yp4zq No one has to justify an abortion to anyone other than themselves. It sucks having an abortion, no matter for what reason. I still keep my aborted fetuses remains.
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Not true. Background checks are only required if buying from a dealer.
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@Backlash00z89 Yes you can. All of my guns have been purchased at gun shows. Never had a background check. Depends on who the seller is.
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Your first anaolgy doesn't work. The person who owns the property is legally able to do what he wants with it. He owns it. He decides who lives there. He doesn't have to think about anyone else. If anything, that's an argument for pro-choice. Secondly, its a strawman. It IS her body. It is using her organ to develop into its own seperate entity. That's why we have cutoff dates.
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@lilsmoothyymanp5679 Sure, you could make the argument that its selfish. But being selfish is not inherently a bad thing. Everyone is selfish. If you are doing all the work and paying all the bills, how is it scummy to kick out deadbeats who do nothing? No, I got that. But very few people have an abortion because they "just don't want it." Sex is for whatever reason the person is having it. Neither method you mentioned is how 96% of abortions are performed. Do you want to know how a real abortion is performed? With a pill. You're given a pill, the pill forces your body to miscarry, and you are given a D&C as you would a miscarriage. Hell, you can even keep the remains should you so choose. What you described is a late term (surgical) abortion, which are done nearly exclusively for medical reasons. Yes, fetuses do feel pain. After a certain period. This is long past when most abortions are performed. I'm all for making a universal cutoff date at sentience. I never said it wasn't human. But I don't believe humans are inherently valuable. So whether its human makes no difference to me. Abortion, to me, is a legal issue. Not a moral one.
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@lilsmoothyymanp5679 Selfishness can be a good thing. Its important for self preservation. And yes. You can just kick out your wife. Its called divorce. You should not get an equal say if you do nothing to contribute. And you're really making an argument for pro-choice. Sure, the idea of killing a fetus is bad. I can grant you that. I also think its a necessary evil. The vast majority of abortions are done via a pill. Surgery is a late term/medical thing. I don't think humans are INHERENTLY valuable. I.e. I don't think you're valuable just because you're born. And its because you're not. Value is something you give or is given to you. Its descriptive.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s For me? Personally it's about 15 weeks. The brainstem is formed by then, and neurons are active.
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No, Australia has a much lower rate of shootings because the income level, culture and population are different than the states. Your homicide rate is still above average.
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No, they make billions off of you making yourself unhealthy. Most people just are rational enough to know not everyone is out to get them.
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@Zyrant3 Considering I'm in medical school, I find that logic unfounded.
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@Zyrant3 Sorry you feel that way. I'm not saying don't question things. Just don't be paranoid.
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@Zyrant3 I'm glad your able to live in a society where thats possible, but that would not be possible without vaccines at all. I would rather not get a paycheck and you be healthy than be making bank off of your suffering. I honestly mean that. If you don't feel you need vaccines, don't get them. But you should pay the consequences should something occur.
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@Zyrant3 Business doesn't tell me what to study by the way. I decide for myself.
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It terms of environmentalism, being vegan is ABSOLUTELY better for the environment. And in terms of health? That depends on the person. I am MUCH healthier as a vegan than ai ever was as a meat eater. But thats just me. I know other people that absolutely cannot handle a vegan diet.
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Everyone should be agnostic. She's also an atheist.
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Well, humans are animals. I fail to see the problem.
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@ethanm.2411 Except they're not.
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@ethanm.2411 No, they're not. Humans are a classification of animals. Baby or otherwise.
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Umm no. Thats an outright lie. Most of the deforestation that occurred went to make room for livestock used in the meat industry. Also, a majority of agriculture goes to animal feed.
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But life is not the argument ethical vegans make.
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Yes you can. Find a private vendor in one of the 38 states that don't put restrictions on private sales.
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Many polyamorous relationships are not sexual in nature at all. Monogamy is normal for some and is abnormal for others. As a polygamous person, myself and my partners are extremely happy. Maybe don't lump everyone into the same category.
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@deathlike13 Because I happened to fall in love with two amazing men.
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Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Simple Answer: Sentience. In fact, sentience occurs in the womb, which is why most states have a cut off date for abortions. 1. It is always human if it was conceived by 2 human parents. 2. Killing sentient humans matters from a legal/societal perspective. We have laws in a country because we are social animals, and would not want harm done to us. So in turn, we don't harm others. This is something a non-sentient organism (such as a fetus or a plant) cannot comprehend. Once again, it is always human. Most pro-choice people I know draw the line at sentience, when the brain begins to develop, between 18 and 20 weeks. Some put it sooner when the brainstem actually develops, which is between 9 and 12 weeks. Very rarely are people charged with murder for engaging in a fight that results in a death of a fetus. Usually, that is unlawful termination of a pregnancy. In cases where a pregnant woman is murdered, it can sometimes be a homicide, but only if the woman was 20 weeks or more, as it is then established by law that she intended to keep that child. Thank you for bringing valid points to a discussion. Its nice to not be called a baby killer.
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Not really. Since the Bible is certainly not anti-abortion.
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Thats not the issue
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Hypocrite.
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My daughter is 6 and is perfectly content with her mother being with 2 men that she loves very much, as is my 4 year old son. Believe it or not, you can be polyamorous and raise happy, healthy and stable children.
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Zipei Lei That's what being an agnostic atheist is. She was getting pissed off because he was saying she wasn't an atheist, which she is.
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While I am personally vegan for health reasons, what's wrong with feeling bad for the slaughtering of animals? Don't you look down on a person who punches or kicks their dog?
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So whats wrong with being vegan, pro-choice, and supportive of the GRSM community?
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Private adoptions are legal processes that many people do not have the money for. The only other option is a state adoption, which is foster care.
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Yes you can. They're called "private sales."
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Way to be progressive with that dark age mentality you got there.
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@stephen6397 You have no real facts, as you claimed in your previous post that not only did PA "axe the death penalty", which is a lie, but that crime has risen in states that have gotten rid of the death penalty, which is also false. Crime has no more risen is states that have abolished capital punishment than those that have capital punishment. And the fact still stands that murder rates as a whole have been lower in non death penalty states since 1990. By the way, liking your own comment doesn't make your point any less of a lie.
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@stephen6397 1. Yes you did, because I can see the username of people who have liked your comments just by hovering over it. 2. The homicide rate in Pennsylvania has dropped over the last 3 years. 3. The death penalty in general is rarely used, but to say it deterred crime is a lie. The violent crime rate dropped after states abolished the death penalty, then rose and fell at regular rates. A person who does a crime worthy of the death penalty doesn't care about the consequences, and the risk of death does not stop people from being criminals. I don't refuse to see the truth. You refuse to admit that you were wrong. It's not ass kissing criminals to be honest, nor am I triggered. I'm simply calling you out for your unreasearched misinformation.
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@stephen6397 1. You have done 0 research then and that is not my problem. Both property crime and violent crime fell in 2016, 2017 and again in 2018. So over the last three years, it has not remained constant. 2. No. I don't just accept what I want. I work in the criminal justice field. This is my job. 3. If you really believe that, then provide evidence. Leading criminologists disagree with you. 4. Again, provide evidence for this so called fact. Because once again, non-death penalty states have had consistently lower crime rates. 5. A criminal is anyone who has committed a crime. You ever gotten a ticket? Criminal. Ever jaywalked? Criminal. Drove without a license or permit? Criminal. You cannot lump all criminals into one category. That is lunacy. Redivicism rate is so high because we strictly punish those who have minor offenses. They struggle to find employment, have relationships, and turn to crime because they don't have any other alternative. We focus too much on punishment and not enough on the rehabilitation of those that can be. No, I'm not triggered. I'm passionate about this subject because it's my career.
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@carteroxley2979 Because I like the name? I work in forensics and am interested in the occult.
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@carteroxley2979 I do both. I both work in the lab and present in court along with the prosecutor.
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@carteroxley2979 I have a bachelors is criminal justice and forensic science. We are working more on the lab but its still my job to help with the prosecution. I'm working on my doctorate
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@carteroxley2979 Whatever you want to talk about
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Then you can blame genetics for that. Not vaccines.
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@lordheklsmosh9490 I'm sorry, but I don't believe that. I would like to know what process you took to legally and medically find out that the only cause of the health issues was the vaccine.
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Ariel That still doesn't change the fact that if anyone goes to hell, God is a monster and isnt loving
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Thats not an argument against abortion. My response to that would be "since when did we care about life"? Sentience matters. Not life.
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So you just want to see more children suffer huh?
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I think your projecting if I'm being honest. When you go from one lifestyle to another, sometimes it takes a while to get used to. Being vegan is, in general, healthier for the human body. Now, thats not to say its as easy as a doet that includes meat or that it cannot be unhealthy. But to conclude that these vegans are unhealthy is extremely far fetched. They seem annoyed because their passionate, and being pale doesn't mean you're unhealthy. Some people are naturally fair. As someone who is in medical school, her complexion looks perfectly normal.
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You don't lose your rights as a human because you violate someone else's. You lose privileges. Stop arguing from emotion. Its not about whether they "deserve to live". Its about whether putting someone to death is benefical for society and the family. And its not.
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Except he's wrong. Plenty of atheists believe in the supernatural. Atheism only refers to a God belief. They lack a belief in God. If you don't deny that a God could exist, but you lack a belief in one, you are an agnostic atheist.
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That is a flat out lie. We have no concise definition for what a mass shooting is. You could go out to an area with people and simply fire off a magazine, and that would be classified as a mass shooting, even with 0 injuries and 0 deaths. You don't seem to understand that you would save lives by supporting and using your second amendment rights.
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@Mwriggles But thats not what a mass shooting is. It has no concise definition. That's where ths issue comes in.
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@Mwriggles Because changing its laws to be stricter on guns will not save lives. Thats how you will increase the rate of mass shootings. "A well organized militia" was written when we did not have a standing military and referred to gangs of private citizens. Bottom line, "the only thing that a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun".
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@Mwriggles Correction. More guns in the hands of good people = less gun violence.
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@Mwriggles And who's to say someone is bad just based on one test? See the problem.
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Yeah. And we had an average life expectancy of 40.
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Animals eat animals to survive because they must. You do not need to eat animals. That's the point they were making.
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Who was Jewish...? They all seemed to believe Christ was the messiah.
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Apparently, so do you.
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Greetings from the United States. How's that tripling murder rate and that knife epidemic treating you?
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That...is just a made up lie? Some vegans will eventually turn back to meat, especially as they get older. But to simply claim that most get sick and revert is nonsense.
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That depends on where you live though.
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@jackiemcnair3568 Not where I live.
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Once again, a person who does not know what the definition of murder is.
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Why is that? I'm vegan and pro-choice. They have nothing to do with one another. I assume you find them fascinating because you have some misconceptions on vegans and/or the unborn.
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@sziszyke No one supports killing babies. Personally, I'm not vegan for ethical reasons. But I'll play devils advocate. First off, you already do have misconceptions. You think a) its a baby, and b) people who are pro choice support killing it. Neither of these are true. Your misconception about veganism is that its about life. But its not. I am well aware that conception is life, but what they care about is sentient life. Sentience is something that develops as a fetus does, and is not present at the time of most abortions. By the way, abortions are not performed by a fetus being ripped to pieces, unless it is a late term abortion, which is done almost exclusively for medical reasons.
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You can. Just depends on who is selling you the gun.
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@allegravet Do you like...know what the military does for a living? Damn sure you wouldn't open your mouth to them.
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Electro Dvil Yeah, except science does not support any moral arguments (though can be used to support or reject an idea) and the law is not on your side, nor will it ever be.
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As if you can't be emotionally developed and be poly, or not be poly for sex.
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Not saying they're bad in moderation, but eggs and dairy are some of the worst foods in terms of cholesterol.
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@davidwilson7979 Not a myth. Take a nutrition class. Cholesterol isn't bad if kept in check.
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It's funny because atheists don't believe in Satan.
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Veganism, in general, is healthy. But it can also be unhealthy. Just like any diet.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Pro life people are nasty.
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Pro life is generally respected more than pro choice, so I don't see your problem. Most of the people I've talked to call me a "baby-killer" for being pro choice.
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Why? I mean, I know some are, but that's a broad generalization.
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@janieswanson2549 Because I like getting other people's opinions, and despite your ad homonyms on other comments and your lack of understanding of what vegan is, I was a vegan for 10 years.
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@janieswanson2549 I don't think you know what an ad hominem is. It literally means insulting a person you disagree with. Also no. You and I both know that things like "necessary and practical" are used in defining a vegan. You can argue all you want. You're still wrong.
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You drastically reduce the chance of that child growing up happy and healthy if you cannot care for it. It doesn't HAVE a choice. It is NOT sentient. Choice means NOTHING to a fetus. How could you be so heartless to watch a struggling mother be FORCED to give birth and perhaps attempt to care for the child? You know what's selfish? Forcing a choice on someone because it makes YOU feel better. It's your responsibility to make decisions on what's best for YOU. That includes making the RESPONSIBLE decision to terminate a pregnancy you cannot provide for.
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There are plenty of vegan foods that contain iron as well. No, most don't have to eat meat. You choose to eat meat.
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@ANRZ2 I'm sorry but you're absolutely mistaken. Been vegan for almost a decade. Tofu and navy beans are incredibly high in calcium and fortified milks give you all the B12.
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@ANRZ2 Also...no? Literally being vegan has nothing to do with sexual appeal.
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@ANRZ2 Because different diets have a different effect on people. Some people have bad reactions to a vegan diet. Some have an amazing response. It depends on the person. That study is something you pulled out of your ass. I'm not expecting everyone to be vegan. I say give it a try for a while, and if you don't like it, fine.
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Subjective realism should not be the basis of laws.
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The world doesn't work in your delusional fantasy. Thats why abortion is a choice.
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For some people. And can be really beneficial for others.
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@ronjimmy2015 If you're not getting adequate protein or nutrients from a vegan diet, you're either doing it wrong or have a pre-existing health condition.
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@janieswanson2549 But very rarely are they accurate to the majority.
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@janieswanson2549 No it really doesn't. Not in all cases. Its a silly way to use broad strokes to get a fence painted faster, which is not to say that some stereotypes don't have a slight basis in reality. You wouldn't know what a hypocrite was if it bit you in the ass. Even if I DID concede to your definition (which I don't), I wouldn't be a hypocrite. Because no where did I preach that others go vegan. Also, nice ad hominem when you have absolutely no idea what I look like. Really classy. You're a next level intellectual.
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@janieswanson2549 You mean the dictionary that changed the word "literally" to mean an expression? Yeah, many people do not take them seriously. My videos were me YEARS ago. So if 10 year old videos are what makes me a hypocrite, then you're quite a fool.
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@janieswanson2549 Which content are you referring too? Because in the last video where my face was shown, I was vegan. Pardon me for thinking you were referring to my oldest content. Unless of course, you're going to continue to argue the tired line that "because I was using the internet, I wasn't vegan." In which case, no one agrees with you.
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@janieswanson2549 I am a vegan. The people who coined the term get to decide the definition of that term. Plain and simple. And some of them are, so I apologize for getting confused.
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Not true. You're no more likely to get STDS in a poly relationship than a monogamous one.
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@JD-kq1he Thats not what I meant. I meant it doesn't just suddenly come out of nowhere. It has to be spread through bodily fluids by someone who already has it. The risk is no higher in polyamorous relationships, if everyone is honest, than it is in monogamous relationships. If someone was going to lie about having it, then you'd be much more likely to find that in a monogamous relationship, as the majority of the population is monogamous. No, its not. The risk is no higher whether you engage with 1 clean person or multiple clean people. You're not stating a fact. You seem to be entirely confused.
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Isabelle Paige Bailey Just because she's an Atheist doesn't mean she hates Christians.
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Plenty of tattoos use vegan ink.
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Do you honestly believe that if we "removed guns", which I assume means you can't legally buy them, then criminals "wouldn't get them"? Tell me, how did that work woth drugs? Oh right. Outlawing them caused cartels to exist, and drug dealers to be extremely wealthy. When you deny access to something, you just make it easy for criminals. Try hunting with a pistol. Seriously. A shotgun is not "heavy weaponry". And by the way, most mass shootings are done with pistols and handguns.
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@CipsterAnimations You actually have no idea how any of this works. You said it yourself you live in the UK. So my question to you is why would you rather be stabbed or fire bombed than shot? Oh and no. As far as school shootings go, you're actually less likely to have shootings the more guns people have. Know why? Because most people are actually decent, and like to stop bad guys with guns.
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@CipsterAnimations No, that's not how that works at all. Bullet wounds are less lethal simply because they're smaller. Knife wounds not only penatrate deeper, they cause larger wounds. Please, take any forensics class. To boot, knife wounds are much more likely to be infected and are harder to treat. Very rarely does a bullet penatrate all the way through the body. Even then, the wound is smaller. You're actually really REALLY uneducated about ballistics. You've also clearly never been to medical school, nor worked at a trauma center.
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Gracefool Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Everyone is, or should be agnostic. Whether you're an atheist or a theist.
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There is no way to ensure bad people will not have guns. Criminals don't care about the law. Outlaw guns and they will buy them illegally. You know what stops bad people with guns? Good people with guns. Thats why cops carry them.
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Or you can choose to be vegan simply because its healthier for a particular individual.
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Couple of things: 1. While I agree that it is a "lie" the way its presented, its really not. Its referring to private sales of guns at shows. 2. A background check is only federally required if you a purchasing from a dealer, someone who holds an FFL. 38 states put no restrictions on private sales, and it is completely legal to sell privately without a background check as long as the buyer has a valid state ID in the state they are purchasing in. 3. Nothing to correct here.
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Eating good and staying active can help health, but it does not guarantee health. Also, I don't know where you got that doctors only had 19.5 hours of Nutrition. I didn't even go into traditional medicine, and I took 31 hours of nutrition in medical school.
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You can in most states. At least by law. Just because a vendor doesn't have to give you a background check doesn't mean they won't. Although personally, I've never had one at a show.
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@emperortrajan2461 Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-lifers, by definition, are against abortions for any reason.
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@emperortrajan2461 Pro-life by definition means against abortion and assisted suicide. Period.
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@emperortrajan2461 Yes they are. So what? You aren't opposed to abortions in cases of rape. You are not pro-life. Also congrats. I'm also against the death penalty.
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You don't? Terminate your parental rights.
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The founding fathers were not Christian. They were secular deists.
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Winter Camel Why is it acceptable if the mother's life is in danger? That's hypocritical.
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Winter Camel It's hypocritical to allow abortion only in certain circumstances and not all. You place people are a pedestal that way. Pregnancy is never beneficial to a mother. It does nothing good for her until it's born, and she should have a right to abort it, regardless of how it got there.
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Winter Camel I know exactly what hypocritical means. You say it's wrong to do something, but then turn around and support the right to do it in "special circumstances" You just said abortion should only be allowed in cases where the mother would die. So you put those people on higher ground than you do others who want an abortion. We don't need any more children in this world. We're not in any danger of dying out. I find it hilarious how many pro lifers would never even consider adopting a child. I'm not an awful person for wanting women's rights to be protected. I'm not an awful person for calling a fetus what it medically and scientifically is. I am an intelligent and empathetic person. You're the one who's fine with children forced to be born to unfit mother's who will neglect and abuse them. You're the awful one here, not me.
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Winter Camel A fetus is not a person. People who are pro choice do think about adoption. In fact, everyone I knew who had an abortion considered adoption as a first option. Except that adoption agencies are full and underfunded so much that they've turned children away. Medically, that's what it is. A fetus. Yes, a fetus is potential for human life. So what? No, as a woman, I know having sex without birth control is how women get pregnant. Did you know there are millions of women who can't take birth control? I think it is a responsible choice to have an abortion when no other options are available. The woman is acknowledging that she is incapable of raising a child. If you think abortions should be outlawed, then your money should have to go to take care of that child and it's mother.
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Winter Camel Why not look it up yourself? It's a hell of a lot cheaper to get an abortion. Granted, I still think it should be a last resort. No I'm not insane. I didn't say women can't GET it. I said women can't TAKE it. I can't take birth control. Learn to fucking read. If you really want abortion rates to stop, then you'd have to help the unfit mother. That's just a fact. And I'm sorry, who the hell is a male prostitute to call anyone a whore? I don't know a single woman who chose to have an abortion easily. Majority of the time, they have an abortion because the man literally just walks out. That isn't my argument. I shouldn't have to defy my natural instinct just because I can't take birth control. I don't believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but I would rather a non sentient fetus be aborted than an unfit parent neglecting and abusing a sentient child. Once again, some people can't use protection because of medical problems.
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Winter Camel I can't get implants either because of medical illnesses I've had in the past. I don't really care if you believe me or not. People generally have abortions because they feel they are unfit to take care of the child, not because it's an inconvience. Maybe it's morally wrong to you, but it's not to others. Evil? I would say it's evil to force a woman to give birth to a child she cannot handle. I don't really care if your a male escort. If it supports you and your happy, you do you. But if you want your rights to be protected, you should protect others rights.
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Winter Camel Wonderful for you. But a lot of those things are based on eligibility, and some don't meet the requirements. When you force a woman to give birth, you risk her resenting and abusing it.
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Winter Camel I can't use condoms because I don't have a penis. I can't use birth control pills because of lupus and I can't have an implant because of the osteosarcoma I had as a child. I'm sorry that you had a hard life. Believe me I know how that feels. I'm glad you were able to provide for your son, but not all people are able to accomplish what you did. Some people are actually not capable of caring for children. I don't believe your morally wrong. Morality is subjective. What may be wrong to you is not wrong to someone else. And to strip away another person's rights is vile.
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Nah
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Its not. But guess what? Life isn't fair. How is it any more fair for a child to be raised in a toxic household?
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Salsa Bila Adoption isn't always a choice and does not guarantee happiness. Try talking to someone who never got adopted and was thrown out at 18 with nothing. Its not nihilistic. Its honest.
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Salsa Bila Depends on what type of adoption. Are you referring to a state adoption? (I.e. putting the child in a broken foster care system) or a private adoption? The difference is abortion doesn't allow for suffering. You cannot miss something you never had. Parents who place children up for adoptions don't go to orphanages. Those are for children who have lost their parents. They're given to whatever state system is currently in place. And as someone who both lived and worked in several, you aren't given a hell of a lot. Its why much of our suicide statistics and prison population spent a large deal of time in the system. Sure it is. But that child was given and taught life skills while in the home. Foster care is not known for doing very well in that department.
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Technically you could if the purveyor was a private seller. That still would like hella suspicious though.
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But we do have guns. And we always will.
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Or that they at least somewhat know private sales are a thing and just think its at a mass scale.
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Pro-life people believe abortion and euthanasia are immoral and should be outlawed. Pro-choice people believe that a woman should have the option to have an abortion should she decide, and that assisted suicide should be allowed.
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No one is born valuable. I hate to disappoint you, but value is a description given to something or someone by those with a higher cognitive function. That is not inherent. Without someone there to teach you value, you cannot find it. Also, no. He wasn't right. She is an atheist in the colloquial sense, which is clearly what they were using. Quit trying to be dishonest. Everyone should be agnostic colloquially. It means you don't know.
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Yeah...lets see how well that works on a junkie with a pipe.
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Ivonne Celeste Castillo Your right and wrong. An atheist lacks a belief in a God. However, most atheists are agnostic atheists. She does have a disbelief in a God but doesn't deny one could exist. Agnostic is a knowledge claim whereas atheism is a belief claim. People often confuse an "atheist" (someone who doesn't believe in a god) with an "anti-theist" (someone who says there is no god) Everyone is, or should be agnostic, because no one knows. Theist and Atheist simply stem from your belief.
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@tpawesomeness2526 Except the Bible literally tells men that they have authority over their wives. It even tells you how to discipline her. He's not a God of love according to the Bible. He is a wrathful monster who will punish you for eternity if you disobey. I strongly encourage you to reread your Bible from a literal perspective. And I'm not a Christian.
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@tpawesomeness2526 I don't dislike God. I can't dislike something I don't believe in. My only point is the God portrayed in the Bible is vile. But that may not be who God is. I know many Christians who just think the Bible is a book of fables with some exceptions. The Bible doesn't need to be true for God to exist.
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No, I don't think it should. Its your right do be able to have the freedom to do what you believe in. However, you should be held in full responsibility if someone is negatively affected or killed as a result of your actions.
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Food chains are real. But humans aren't on top. That's just science my friend. We're in the middle/upper. But bears, Komodo dragons, hyenas and crocodiles are all above us.
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@anubisgod23 Except thats not how we measure food chains. They're based on trophic levels. Humans, scientifically, are not at the top. Thats just a fact, regardless of what you eat.
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@anubisgod23 That...is not how food chains are measured. I would seriously consider taking an ecology class. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves
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@anubisgod23 Humans do not strictly consume predators. They eat both secondary consumers and plants. There is no arguing out of this. If you want to colloquially say we're at the top, as we have the highest cognitive function, fine. But we are NOT scientifically at the top.
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@anubisgod23 There are plenty of reasons why people go vegan. There are also plenty of reasons why people don't. I'm vegan because its healthier for me. But someone else may not find that to be the case.
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@anubisgod23 Actually, it depends on the person. In general, a ppant-based diet is healthier.
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@anubisgod23 I'm not an expert. I'm only saying what is backed by research and what is best FOR ME.
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Background checks are not necessary if you are buying the gun from a private seller. Only gun stores that have FFL licenses require you to have a background check.
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And? She wouldn't care. She would have lacked the capability to care.
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@shelbyconnors9741 Because she holds a view on what should be done in our society.
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@MrsWinks We don't murder anyone. No one but me has a right to my uterus.
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@MrsWinks Actually, I do have the right to terminate a pregnancy as outlined in the Constitution. No one but me gets the right to my uterus. It is not my problem the fetus cannot develop without me. And I'm sorry, disconnected? The umbilical cord does not "disconnect" until birth. It is my body. Its inside my uterus. I don't lose my right to liberty. Once again, its not murder. And it's not that I want the right. I HAVE that right. Life isn't inherently value to me. Period. Yes. Lets pretend that all pregnancies occur because someone just lays down with a person. Its not being ignorant, nor is it being cruel. What's cruel is you watching kids be abused and neglected because in your fucked up mind, that is somehow better than death.
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Because condoms and pills are always an option right? And they always work right? Why do you people hate women's rights so much.
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You have a right to your body. You give consent to what happens with yoir body. So yes. You do want to take that right away from women.
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Yes it is. Its attached to her uterus. It dies without her reproductive system. You'll have an argument when it can develop on its own. Without the use of a person's body
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You own your body.
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@icarusflies9670 Consent to sex is not and will never be consent to pregnancy. Those are two separate occurances. If you do not, for any reason, consent to a fetus using your uterus, it is your right to get rid of it. You may consider it unethical, but I consider it unethical to force a woman to endure a pregnancy she does not consent to. A human isn't inherently valuable, and I absolutely agree that people need to have open discussions.
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IssyFishyy You say that as if the fetus not only has rights (which it doesn't until a certain point) but is capable of giving a fuck.
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In 35 states, if you're buying them from a private individual. Though that would probably look shady as hell.
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No its not. At least not in the US. Thats a fact, not an opinion.
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The US is in no way one of the least educated developed countries. Your culture is not the same as ours. The only reason America has a lot of the freedoms it does is because people fought for their rights. You might me content with letting your government step all over you, but I'm not.
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Well, I can base my argument for why I'm vegan on facts. But only for me. I can argue in general why its better to be vegan, but it may be different for everyone. Not all of us base it strictly on feelings.
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So for the most part I agree with you. That is until you spouted nonsense about abortion and gay marriage. Abortion is not murder, at least here in the states. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. I'm straight, and seeing straight people kiss in public makes me uncomfortable too. If you truly support the Constitution, then those rights should be extended to EVERYONE, not just straight people.
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You don't have to be liberal to be vegan.
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Then my answer would be "Keeping an inmate on death row costs more than keeping them in prison, so I will take the prison sentence". I'd rather have more money to put myself through school, thank you.
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Thats a weak argument, even for a fallacy
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Guess what? Pharmaceutical companies and hospitals have to turn a profit to stay open. Sorry, but that's how it is. Doctors don't make as much as you think, considering how much we take out in student loans.
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Why?
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Except that isn't healthy. Denying your body wants is one of the leading causes for sexual violence. Sex isn't just about reproduction. Good. You were in a school that taught sex ed. My school banned it. And so do many others. Contraception fails. Adoption is broken. And people don't believe in God, a God who is all for abortions according to the Bible. Abortion is a right. Get used to it.
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So how about stop buying meat so they stop producing it?
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You mean the so called debt he gave me to begin with? Why does it need to be repaid? Why can't God just forgive? Sounds petty.
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Yes you can. That's kinda what they're there for.
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@issuesthatmatter2825 Uhh no you don't. Cells divide, grow and die. I know what you mean, but its a bad way to put it. No, its not. But I'm sentient.
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@issuesthatmatter2825 I find the pro life arguments weak. Sentience has always been what matters. That's why we do cardiac life support. That's why we allow DNR's. That's why hospitals have slow codes. Because sentience has always been what mattered. You a vegan? Anti-death penalty? Anti-gun? Against the military? Doubt it.
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@issuesthatmatter2825 So then killing in some aspects is justified. Then the only difference between us is I can understand the justification for killing a fetus and you can't.
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Except its not. Science does not take a stand on moral issues. Its neutral. You can just use science to argue one way or the other.
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Humans are surperior to animals in some ways and inferior in others. Humans are animals themselves. Whatever your diet, thats a fact.
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Not true. You should look into their social media. Because their children had a bad outcome, they don't believe vaccines as a whole are helpful and that people should not get them. By the way, manufacturers are liable. You can go to vaccine court and there is nothing in the law that prevents you for suing the manufacturer directly. You are just unlikely to win.
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Why?
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Because people would be upset at an all pro-choice panel, considering no rational medical professional would be pro-life.
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@mdlinksthetopg6510 Yet in places where those things are mandated, you still have a spike in cases. No one has died in the states from a vaccine since 1990.
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Psychopath is not a word recognized in psychology anymore. Those people now fall on the ASPD spectrum, and depending on where they fall depends on whether or not rehabilitation can be effective.
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@violetseven4485 Just because you don't care doesn't mean anyone else should.
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Depends on who you're buying from.
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@Nemesistyx That is not true. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a gun show without a background check. Background checks are only required if you're buying from an FFL dealer. Plenty of private sellers sell at shows, and are under no such legal obligation. I would read up on your laws about private sales.
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@Nemesistyx I bought 3 guns from a private citizen that was selling at a show. You just seem to be under the deluded impression that everyone at shows are FFL dealers.
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Why do we need it? Other than an emotional response, can you provide any objective reasoning that we need it? Any facts?
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@cookfoodchef Unlawful termination of a pregnancy is not homicide. Those two crimes do not carry the saem weight, unless you are referring to the act of unlawfully is an act of homicide. In which case, sorry for confusion.
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Thats because mental health is so much more understood now. And there are not. Everything in vaccines are either not harmful, things you are exposed to naturally, or things your body produces.
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Nothing in vaccines is something your body doesn't naturally produce or is somethinf you consume naturaly. You can sue. In fact, we have a whole court for it. Called vaccine court. No, you haven't. No one has died from a vaccine in the US since 1990.
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Because "normal" isn't really a concept that exists. You can be "normal" and eat vegan.
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Christanity is the largest religion, so no, it is a religion as well. The world would be better if fundamental religion didn't exist. Nothing wrong with looking to a God for hope.
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@defendingthefaith.7889 What evidence do you have that if a creator exists, yours is the correct one? Islam does the same thing. Religion and God have yet to be proven, so in my eyes, it's all the same.
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I don't understand how those things correlate. I am not a liberal and I'm vegan.
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@AirRedbox Sorry you've experienced extremists
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@nanasenoah8139 You people really love being stupidly ignorant don't you? No, you aren't either anti-abortion or pro-abortion. You're either pro-life or pro-choice. These terms don't just apply to abortion. Abstinence does not work. Most are programmed to want sex. Birth control fails, is not readily available to some, and can't be taken by some. Adoption is not always an option either. It is my body. Show me a fetus that reaches the stage of "20 toes and 2 hearts" without the use of someone else's organ. Doesn't exist. If you're really so "its not her body", then you should force organ and blood donation. After all, life comes before bodily autonomy.
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Depends entirely on who's selling the firearm.
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You're lucky you were born with an immune system strong enough to handle that.
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Its not "random fluid". You can easily find out whats in vaccines.
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Why can't I defend both? I may be vegan, but I'm a realist, and don't expect everyone to conform to my diet. I consider myself pretty human...
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And yet he helped the police catch numerous criminals, including the Green River Killer.
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@ScoopyScoops9 He didn't get a lower sentence. This was after he was on death row.
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I like to think I'm a good vegan.
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Did you just skip over the rape, genocide, abuse and slavery?
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Most vegans are informed and easy to talk to. So try not to let the minority speak for all.
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Because his point of view is to claim facts that are beliefs and that he cannot be wrong.
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Abortion and veganism have nothing to do with each other.
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@conor.3875 But its not. They're completely unrelated.
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Or I can just not believe in a God until you can prove one exists to me.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 An abortion is accessible anywhere. You can give yourself an abortion. A contraception must be perscribed by a doctor (usually an OBGYN) and many medical conditions and living situations do not allow this.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Condoms depend on where you live, and are much less effective than a woman on birth control. And yes. That does make it accessible.
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If you need someone to complete you, you are a toxic and codependent person, monogamous or polyamorous.
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@aheartonfire7191 I know many Christians who drink, smoke weed and have sex. I'm an atheist who doesn't drink, smoke weed or have sex. You're claim is anecdotal. Most atheists I know are much happier people. That is blatantly untrue. The most loving and forgiving people I know are atheists, because religion tells you to shun people who do not believe what you do. Materialistic things can make you happy. Christian's chase after a pipe dream that may not even exist.
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@christzintzun4417 Jesus Christ may not have even existed and is an absolute hypocritical asshole in the Bible. I was a Christian for over 20 years, and I was bitter and nasty. I feel much happier now than I ever was as a Christian. You dont know there is a God. You believe there is a God. Nature around me can easily be explained by natural processes. No, I dont believe it was chance. I believe it evolved by natural selection. No, I don't want a wrathful, genocidal monster in my life.
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You don't have to put them to death to not give them a second chance.
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If she's vegan, probably.
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No, he was in the wrong. He doesn't know what an atheist is.
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Birth control can fail. Some women can't take these pills. Condoms break. Being responsible includes potentially having an abortion, instead of bearing a child that you cannot care for.
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Someone doesn't understand the difference between freedom and entitlement. Freedom comes on both sides.
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Why is that?
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Not in most states they don't. Depends on who you're buying the gun from.
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Natalia Aguirre Medrano a) Hindus do believe in a God. B) This comes from the US, a predomentantly Christian nation. And c) Believers in God's tend to be the one who tells us we're going to Hell and shoves religion down our throats
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We dont in all cases. Background checks are only performed if your buying the gun from a gun store. Private sellers dont perform background checks.
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You can still be in a closed polyamorous relationship.
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@fujoshikittyxx You can be in a closed polyamorous relationship.
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Uhh dogs being "mans best friend" is entirely subjective. Dogs can turn on their owners, because no animal can be fully domesticated.
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@jagvilldo4203 You don't choose pregnancy. The brain does not after sex be like "yep, we're going to implant that egg". Its a potential result of an action. And imagine...people doing things regardless of leagality. You know sex is still forced right?
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@zweinhanderhiruzen9811 I consider myself healthy and I'm ace. I fail to see a problem with not being sexually attracted to anything and not being interested in sex.
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@zweinhanderhiruzen9811 No one is changing science to feelings. No where in science does it ever state that its abnormal to not be interested in sex any more than its abnormal to be attracted to the same gender. I would love to know these facts, because the one that seems to be debating feelings is you.
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@UC1e72bZbBSVH84qtiIa7mQg I have a masters in biology. The thing is, we have a cognitive function than that of animals. We are well aware that we do not need to reproduce as our species is in no danger of dying out. You can ne ace and still have sex. You just don't find sexual attraction to anything.
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@destineewilson1983 No, not usually. Sometimes it can stem from trauma. These people are usally repulsed by sex. Others, like me, simply do not have sexual attraction.
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Birth control is not readily available, not cheap, and cannot be used by everyone. Condoms are not foolproof or as effective as they claim. Abstinence works, but if you are a person that has a high libido, abstinence is unhealthy. Take precautions and reduce the chance everywhere you can, and then if it happens, decide on the best decision.
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We are not the top of the food chain nor is being on either side of the spectrum a bad thing. Moderation of meat is fine. Some people just prefer to be vegan.
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But then you would be incorrect. Background checks, in most states, are only mandatory if you are buying from a dealer. But many states have shows that are mixed, and a private seller has no obligation to perform a background check in most states.
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@1911GreaterThanALL That depends on the state you live in, but i agree with that in general. In my state, most sellers are not FFL dealers, so I was drawing on personal experience
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Abortion isn't murder.
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@parthenon5106 Murder in disguise is implying that abortion and murder are equal. And he's wrong.
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@parthenon5106 No they're not. And you're honestly naive if you believe that.
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You're not a criminal apologist just for stating facts and not supporting the death penalty. What's wrong with being empathetic towards another human being?
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@amerea_4763 No, he still wasn't right. Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in a God. It has nothing to do with the supernatural.
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The mass majority of people I hear want the banning and removal of all guns.
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He also claimed his opinion as fact and was consisting disrespectful and annoying.
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@r.whitaker3990 Except they don't. And if you did more research on these people, you would see that. I'm not for mandated vaccines (which would never happen, since its unconstitutional). These people literally spread false information about vaccines to try and convince people not to take it.
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@nweeezy I don't know why that's funny?
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No they aren't. Psychopath isn't even a recognized term by psychologists anymore
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@Noshadowkick Sure. If that person your defending yourself against didn't have a gun or wasn't a threat to you.
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We really don't have shooting problems but most of the issue stems from stigmatized and untreated mental illness.
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It won't protect you against COVID-19, because its not the flu. A flu shot will, however, boost your immune system and make you less likely to get a secondary infection should you get COVID-19.
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I agree, as a vegan with everything, except the part about animals being killed humanely. Personally, aside from euthanasia, killing anything is never humane.
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KarnRulez There's a lot wrong with fundamental religion. That's what he meant.
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KarnRulez No, I'm perfectly content. You're just close minded and indoctrinated.
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KarnRulez How am I a bigot? I'm perfectly fine with allowing people to practice religion as you see fit, as long as its secular. I like how you used the term hateful when the first thing you called him was an asshole. My, how hypocritical.
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KarnRulez Meaning you believe in God and whatever holy book and you go and practice, but you don't try to change the laws to suit your dogma or try to force your beliefs on others
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KarnRulez That's fine. Just don't call others names simply because they disagree.
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Society wouldn't have to deal with it if they minded their own business
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@parthenon5106 If abortion was murder or violated a sentient persons constitutional rights. But it doesn't.
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@MC-ns8gb Its always worth a shot to try and educate.
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That person only gets a 2 count if the woman was 5 months along or more. Most abortions take place between 6 and 9 weeks, in the first trimester. The fetus isnt sentient at this point.
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Why not support everyone's choice?
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1. Prison capacity wouldn't be such an issue if prisons focused on rehabilitation and didn't have long sentences for non violent offenses, like drugs. 2. Appeal to emotion fallacy. Just because you believe they deserve it, doesn't mean your opinion should be law. Yes. Yes I would. Because the death penalty doesn't do anything productive for society. Crime, violent crime in particular, is at its lowest rate in 30 years. You should not make serious decisions if you are emotionally unstable at that point. You'd rather trade life in prison for capital punishment? How very middle ages of you. That's psychopathic in my opinion. You just want to see people die because you can't control an irrational fear.
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JumpyMunkey91S People who are actually psychotic cannot be rehabilitated. Psychosis is an actual diagnosed mental illness. A jury isnt picked by the city. Its picked by the defense and prosecuting lawyers. It's just supposed to represent the state. There's a lot of bias in juries, but that's neither here nor there. Defend someone how? Simply because I think they shouldn't be put to death? That's not defending them. If youd rather not see people die, then you wouldn't support a useless system that doesn't benefit society. Most of people in prison are serving less than 5 years for non violent offenses. Get rid of that and you would end overpopulation. Not only that, you spend 3 times more on execution.
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@munkey7879 Your entire post is just emotional grandstanding.
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That depends on who you're purchasing from and the state. I've never had a background check at a show, but my guns were all purchased by private sellers.
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"Morally correct" is a matter of personal opinion. I don't think its any more moral to sit back and watch a child die at the hands of unfit parents than it is to allow parents to abort. Only difference is stage and sentience.
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Probably because it is in most states. In 35 states, there is no legal background check done on private sales, which very frequently appear at gun shows.
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Will Beasley The majority of purveyors at most gun shows, at least in my state, are private individuals. Only a handful are FFL licensed. You are correct in saying that a background check is required if you are purchasing from on FFL licensed provider. But that isnt the majority of purchases in the US. My point is to say the loophole doesn't exist is stupid, because most gun sales in the US are private.
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@willbeasley2077 Its not specific the gun shows, but it often happens at gun shows. Some gun show private sellers WILL do a background check. My point is theres no law REQUIRING them to. That research is easy to find. Just use google. Its your best friend
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@willbeasley2077 No, it's just I know that if I gave you sources, you would cite them as uncredible or biased. I've done the song and dance before, and I'm done doing the work. The research is out there if you want it. You may be looking at a statistic in one state, because it varies from state to state. I have never been to a gun show that did background checks. But that's just around here. The original point I was trying to make was you calling someone stupid for acknowledging an ACTUAL loophole makes you look uneducated on the subject.
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You can survive fine without meat. But you should be free to have whatever diet is best for you.
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@scottpe6226 No, she assumes the vaccine caused her daughters injury. That is not the case. What the actual truth was is that the vaccines triggered the seizure disorder her daughter was born with. That is not the vaccines fault, and the child would have developed seizures regardless of if she had been vaccinated or not. You should be compelled to get vaccines so these diseases don't manifest again, or become deadly again. But you should not be forced to have them.
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@scottpe6226 Considering I do my own research, I actually do know her story. Its not that hard to find that out when you do the research. Actually, she called her doctors out because they said there was no evidence that the vaccine was the cause, but acknowledged that the vaccine could have triggered a condition she had. It was on her social media. And that I agree with. But to say it CAUSED her injury is untrue.
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Since when does anyone else but you have a say with what happens to YOUR uterus?
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@noface4566 You can't really control that on a whim when its in the body of a another person, now can you? Outside however, you absolutely can.
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@noface4566 Now you're just strawmanning, but I'll entertain you. From a legal perspective, a judge would simply tell you that your forfeited your belonging when you left it at some else's property. Legally, it was no longer your property. You could argue all day morally, but sperm is not a possession. Its a bodily fluid. So, strawman.
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Taylor Leger Then why are there millions of children across the US sitting in adoption agencies and foster homes? Why has the adoption rate continually declined since 2005?
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@temarithebadass9276 You won't have to pay child support if you terminate your parental rights.
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That's still not what murder means.
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@kimthejunglist And those laws will never stand, because a woman will just appeal to the federal court and then sue the state.
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No they don't, because they wouldn't be okay with forcing an unfit mother to give birth to a child she will neglect and abuse. I think it's hypocritical for pro-life people to preach about all lives matter and then will watch a child be neglected because they refused to let the mother have an abortion. Should be about quality of life.
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@bluediamond4895 How about people who can't use protection? They should be forbidden from intercourse
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@bluediamond4895 Because the homeless and the poor often times made themselves that way, and can recover from it. I'm fine with taking children away from abusive mother's, but again, people can and do change. Once again, there is a difference between killing a sentient being and a non sentient being.
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@bluediamond4895 Almost every single homeless person I know are homeless because of a drug or a gambling problem. Is that everyone? No. But many put themselves in that situation. No one would kill them. You are making huge assumptions about me and it's frankly irritating
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@bluediamond4895 "Ever heard of adoption?" Ever heard of adoption centers turning away couples because they lack room? Less and less people want children. What happens to the children who are never adopted? They're kicked out at 18 with nothing.
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@xthunderstonex6873 The issue morally should be sentience. Not life.
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@xthunderstonex6873 Exactly what I said. Place your value (if you must) on sentience.
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@xthunderstonex6873 Sentience. The ability to think and feel. In other words, put value on the brain activity as opposed to a heartbeat.
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@xthunderstonex6873 I'm messed up for supporting women's rights? Okay.
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@ironelite6914 I'm not going to do your work for you. You want to know more about the differences between sex and gender? You do your research.
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That's unconstitutional. You can't restrict people who have mental illness from guns because that line is so vague. Focus less on gun control and more on improving mental health for those who are severely unstable.
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@memphisstef3808 To restrict the rights of those who have any type of mental illness from owning firearms when they have no criminal history based on what they "might" do is a violation of their second amendment right to own a firearm.
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@Heather145 I dont care if someone hurts themselves. You have a right to die just as you have a right to live. But to ban someone from owning a firearm on the assumption that they COULD or MIGHT hurt someone else is discriminatory and wrong. If they have violent tendencies towards others, then it should be taken into consideration with a mental health specialist. I'm talking about banning someone on the sole basis that they have mental illness.
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How is being in love with multiple people psychotic?
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Absolutely. But thats not a sure fire way to not get pregnant.
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Where in the defintion of an atheist do you see the word "supernatural?" Supernatural doesn't just apply to God. No, he's not right. Nowhere in thr definition of an athiest does it say you cannot believe in ANYTHING supernatural. You're a moron.
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Christian Trent No, atheist means you don't believe in God.
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We're not obligate omnivores.
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@Abaddonian I'm sorry veganism didn't work for you. I am happy to report to you that I am NOT a vegan who thinks I'm better than you because you eat meat. I think if it makes you healthy and happy, you should pick a diet that suits you best.
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@Abaddonian She doesn't represent us. I literally can't stand people like her.
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Not if the sale is private. There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales, which can occur at shows or on the street. Your wife either bought it, most likely, from an FFL dealer or you live in a state that restricts private sales.
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@jacleesx2022 Thats fine, but that is not the case across the country. I've never been to a show where there weren't both dealers and private sellers.
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It will never be murder until its unlawful, which it never will be.
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Amazing. Its almost as if this subject is more complicated.
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I'm a nice vegan. We exist~
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@lucypeka9959 Definitions of abortion vary depend on what source you use. In both medicine and science, abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by removal, rejection or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from or by the uterus. A miscarriage is a "self-abortion" one the body undergoes without the interference of anything else. This is one of the problems with defining abortion, and its why I tend to just stick with "termination of a pregnancy, most often through medical procedure."
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Except you can. Its called a private sale.
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@thehoboeskimo9888 To claim knowledge on somthing that is unknown is a lie. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. You can say whatever you wsnt, but that doesn't make you correct. Also, no. "Miracles" are a concept entirely rooted in spirituality. They have 0 basis in science. They are using God as an excuse. And you don't prove things in science. You prove things in math. The supernatural has no current basis in reality.
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@thehoboeskimo9888 Nothing I said tried to "convert" anyone. I simply called him out on a lie. Because he claimed something that was false. No scientist (unless they happen to be religious) will use the term "miracle". Sure, advancements are sometimes made on accident and sometimes the projected odds are beaten. That is not a miracle. If you are claiming you are confident in a God existing, that is not claiming knowledge of God. That is claiming a belief in God. If you are claiming you KNOW a God to be real, you are either delusional or a liar. Also, not very wise to give out your number. If you wish to talk, you can do it here.
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@Humanity Galatica But like...not for everyone. And we can clearly demonstrate that "abstinence only" teaching isn't effective.
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@Humanity Galatica No, Mary (if she existed) was raped by Joseph. You don't get pregnant without a sperm fertilizing an egg. Abstinence works in preventing pregnancy, but that wasn't what I meant. Abstinence DOES NOT work for everyone, because forcing yourself to be abstinent when you have a high sex drive is unhealthy.
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@Humanity Galatica Excuse me for not believing you. Those that force themselves to be abstinent when they need release are more disposed to sexual violence. This is proven. Never said you would die.
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Everyone in a polyamorous relationship is treated just like they would be in a monogamous relationship, just with more than one person.
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No actually. Most vegans have healthy normal skin. If your skin is yellow, you have a problem.
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@NoName-le5oz Uhh no. Sorry but I'm not a liar. In fact, no vegan I personally know is unhealthy and there are thousands of athletes and people you can read about who are perfectly healthy on a vegan diet.
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@NoName-le5oz No. You don't need meat. Unless you have an underlying medical condition, you eat meat because you want to. Not because you have to.
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You wear that tinfoil hat all the time?
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@filthyvibes4768 No they don't. Most states don't even have licenses or permits because they aren't registered. The only thing that is necessary to legally privately buy a firearm in most states is a valid state license. The majority of the population is mentally ill. Quit trying to simplify mental illness.
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@filthyvibes4768 Actually, yes they are. Depression and anxiety being the most common. Those are mental illnesses. And they affect over 60% of the population. You just are ignorant as associate mental illness with something negative, like a severe mental illness. I am pro-gun. I do not want to see a time where guns are just taken away. That won't fix anything.
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@filthyvibes4768 I never said everybody was mentally ill. I said a majority. And being mentally ill doesn't inherently make you a violent person. Also, when did I say we had a gun violence issue? I feel like we're arguing for the same side here.
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@raybrunken9707 Private sales can take place at gun shows. Where I live, most sellers ar shows are private sellers. They aren't two different things. A gun show is just an event for people and dealers to sell their firearms. You do not have to take any type of test to sell at a gun show. I don't know what you think gun shows are.
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They didn't bring up adoption because they'd get smacked down at how bad the adoption system is.
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@12 Monkeys You cannot prove the earth was "created". Creation does not equate to existence. No, everything doesn't have a design or purpose. You only see design or purpose in things.
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I get enough protein by complimenting. Seitan is now more and more popular as a meat substitute. 25 grams of protein.
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No, we do understand its a living thing. But its not sentient and it cannot feel.
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Wouldn't then, to be consistent, you have to apply that to soldiers?
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@remdog3134 Thats a very interesting perspective.
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Absolutely not true. Depends entirely on who at the show you're buying the gun from. Its treated as a private sale if the purveyor is not an FFL licensed dealer. And there is no mandatory background check on private sales.
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@goodbye6676 As if the Bible doesn't command people to do unspeakable acts...
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@goodbye6676 It really does.
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@goodbye6676 It does. Whether you take it literally or not doesn't matter. It literally does.
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@goodbye6676 Why don't you read the Bible? About how it orders the slaughtering of people, the selling of women and slaves, and the punishment of children for parental sins.
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@goodbye6676 I know. And they are just as bad.
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@goodbye6676 I do tolerate abortion, an act the Bible condones by the way.
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@goodbye6676 Because calling abortion slaughter is ridiculous, considering a fetus isn't sentient.
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@goodbye6676 I don't believe in any God. I think any God who would justify those acts is vile. This is literally about Christianity. I also, for the record, don't believe in a soul.
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@goodbye6676 I have never said the N word, but I'm sure some atheists do. But guess what? So do some Christians. Where are you getting the idea that only atheists use derogatory language? That word was literally invented by the religious.
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@goodbye6676 Because I have a brain that is capable of empathy and sympathy. That has nothing to do with a soul.
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@goodbye6676 I can't control what other people do, regardless of their religious beliefs or lacktherof.
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@aoy1889 You know what else is living and developing? That Mcdonald's burger you ate at lunch that had a painful death it was completely aware of, unlike a fetus. If the issue behind abortion is life, then stay consistant.
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@aoy1889 Point still stands.
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@aoy1889 I never even brought up pronouns.
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@aoy1889 That is literally your whole argument
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@aoy1889 That's literally your entire position.
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@IssyFishyy So he wasn't crucified then?
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@IssyFishyy okay. Then prove he was resurrected. Thats the part I don't believe
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@IssyFishyy No, my inital premise is that he is dead. Which he was. So now buden of proof falls to you to prove resurrection. As that is a supernatural claim.
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@IssyFishyy I think your comment meant is. All my comment said is he is a dead man. Which even by your own book he is, because his mortal life is over. Stop trying to pass the buck.
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@IssyFishyy That is your belief. But I would like you to show me where he is if he's alive
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@IssyFishyy You haven't provided me with any evidence as to why I should believe in Jesus or a God. If Jesus is really forgiving, why should I worry?
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@IssyFishyy You haven't. You haven't given me anything other than your beliefs. Which are fine. Why does it frighten you so much to admit you MIGHT be wrong?
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Because you failed psychology and or don't suffer with gender dysphoria. Gender and sex are 2 different things.
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@ELEcomments No, I think its delusional and intellectually dishonest to believe in something without having evidence for it. Why can't you live a hope fulfilled life without an afterlife? And who says that without religion or God the world has to be meaningless? Then strive for the best life here on earth. If there is nothing after death, then nothing was wasted.
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@ELEcomments I never denied that. As of right now, I agree with him. That is my belief. I do not believe there is a God because there is no evidence for one. I am an agnostic atheist. I believe you should withhold a belief in something until it can be proven. No, anti-theism is a contradictory philosophy. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a God
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@ELEcomments I suppose you are referring to the Big Bang? There is evidence for that, including radioactive isotopes exactly where we said they were. That being said, not all atheists believe in the big bang. Hope is "a feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen". We can prove feelings exist through brain activity. You cannot see feelings and it comes from chemical reactions in the brain. I can belief in hope because it has been proven and demonstrated throughout history. I'm not exactly sure I believe in what you call "fate". I am open to the IDEA that a God COULD exist. I am not open to the STATEMENT that a God DOES exist. You are assuming that for something to exist it must have been created. Creation does not equal existence.
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@ELEcomments You confuse the difference between knowledge and belief. You can believe something to be true (therefore draw a conclusion) and be wrong in the end. There is nothing wrong with admitting you don't know. This is why most atheists are agnostic. Just because I believe you to be delusional doesn't mean you are. You see evidence for a God. I do not. Atheists do not claim there is no God.
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@ELEcomments perhaps in a different universe where the laws of reality are different. Perhaps I should rephrase. In this universe, not all existence must have been created. So, if we go by your logic, that for something to exist it must have been created, then what created God? Existence must be created, right? So he isn't exempt from that
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@ELEcomments "He is outside the universe" That is a positive claim that needs evidence.
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@ELEcomments If God exists and is as all powerful as you claim, he would have no problem proving his existence. So either he can't or he doesn't want to. If I'm damned to hell because your supposed all loving being couldn't be bothered to show me of his existence, and what he wanted from me, he's a despicable monster. I was a Christian for most of my life, until I realized believing in God did nothing for me. You should withhold belief in something until it can be demonstrated.
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@ELEcomments I do not believe in God. And I would be keen to know what you would think if there was no God.
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@ELEcomments Then I would assume, if he was loving, that he would judge me based on my actions in life. Not whether or not I believed in him. Being an atheist is a no lose scenario in my opinion.
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@ELEcomments I was never punished as a child because I raised myself. If I did something wrong, I took the consequences on myself. My father wasnt in the picture and my mother was an abusive drug dealer. No crime is worthy of eternal punishment. If Hell is indeed eternal, that is not love. That is slavery.
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@ELEcomments I did, but that is not the reason I'm an atheist. Hell doesn't exist if God is loving. We've never found places outside our universe. To our KNOWLEDGE, this is the only universe we have. No such thing as divine crimes.
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Because they must. Humans eat it because we want to.
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@davidkonno5577 Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Abortion is taking responsibility, whether you believe it or not.
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@yeoldebanjo5470 For two reasons. A) Because not everyone else can be vaccinated and B) Because you're a vector for mutations by not being vaccinated. They don't work the way you think they do. They're not designed to prevent you from getting the virus.
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@yeoldebanjo5470 They're designed to protect you from the complications associated with the virus by giving your immune system a jump start should you contract them. I'm glad you maintain a healthy lifestyle. That doesn't guarantee you won't get sick, especially as your immune system decreases. And those things will not prevent you from getting those diseases either. Vaccines are safe and effective. But it is your right not to use them. You should be held responsible for any damage you cause
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@yeoldebanjo5470 I know a woman personally who is serving 20 years for negligent homicide because she refused her daughter the chickenpox vaccine, which she ultimately died of. There are news articles from not so long ago of children dying from things like meningitis and pneumonia, and parents being jailed or fined because they would not vaccinate. Its not as benign as you think. You are well within your right to be against vaccination, but you will not be offered privileges others are, such as public schooling. And SHOULD something go wrong, you may have some serious issues.
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Austin Adams No, she's both. As are most atheists.
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@thesovereign8625 The some I was referring to had nothing to do with a pet. That had to do with a person choosing to save a random animal over a human. And its because I know how human psychology works. Has nothing to do with precognition nor veganism. I could care less what you choose to eat.
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@chickenguy4828 I wasn't referring to the video. I was answering a comment.
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@thesovereign8625 I'm only being honest. And by the way, humans in general make generalizations. Broad strokes get the fence painted faster
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@Zer0Skateboard No, because that isn't true. Lack of empathy is a sign of ASPD, not Autism.
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@craigdorrian7391 Humans are animals. I don't think you're above them. In fact, I think many humans are below them. But thats just me. By the way, an animal DOES have that. They're sentient creatures as well.
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@NewWave-ds4vn I don't think you know what a straw man is.
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@NewWave-ds4vn And I never intentionally misrespresented an argument. The oc made an assertion that vegans pick animals over humans when not only is that not true is specific instances, humans in general choose those they form bonds with over those they don't, regardless whether animal or human. So again, you don't know what a straw man is.
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@NewWave-ds4vn Which is why I set up my comment as if it was a pet, since the oc was so vague. I specified.
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@NewWave-ds4vn Actually, yes it did. Because it generalized all animals. That includes companion animals, which is what pets are. If the comment had sad "wild animals", then you would be correct. But it didn't. It was vague. You're wrong. Get over it.
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@NewWave-ds4vn I never said he made a specific argument for pets. I made the comment I MADE because he made a statement that people should be hated for choosing an animal over a human. I gave a SPECIFIC instance where is comment didn't work, because I found the vage generalization dishonest. That was not a strawman. My point is that many people who claim they would save a human over an animal in ANY CASE are being dishonest. My original point made a specific case in response to a broad negative generalization. I know exactly what I'm talking about and I stand by my original post. Its unfair to hate someone because they would save an animal over a person.
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@NewWave-ds4vn They're argument was people are hated (and should be hated) if a person were to choose to save the life of ANY animal over a human. I gave a specific instance in which they're argument falls apart. Thats not a strawman. They included all animals. They were not specific.
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@NewWave-ds4vn I can understand that. I am a vegan for health reasons, and I am not a person who will force this lifestyle on others.
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Some are. We are mostly not like that.
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Humans are animals.
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You do not need to be on a B12 supplement. Just drink milk fortified with B12. I've never been on supplements as a vegan, and I'm healthier than I ever was.
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Okay, so here's some problems I see with your argument. Your paragraph about biology is entirely useless, because it runs on knowledge that has nothing to do with the ethics behind abortion. Being human doesn't make you special. Your argument refering to the Constitution is also invalid, because it is referring to SENTIENT human beings, because it is referring to personhood. Fetuses are not people, even though they are human. Whether or not you interpret this as injustice is irrelevant. Your argument also doesn't mention that you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion, as pro-life is also against death with dignity or assisted suicide. You value life so much, yet you would watch someone suffer because of the hope that they may heal? That seems evil to me. A fetus with no brain activity cannot make a choice. You should not be forced to use your body in a way you do not want, even if it saves someone else. Should I be forced to donate my organs simply because I won't die and it will save someone else? Your final argument makes you just look like a monster or a hypocrite. If you concede to pro-life, then abortion is outlawed in all cases. That means you are fine with the trauma rape causes a woman, or the potential death of the woman/fetus on principle. I'm sorry, but that makes you look like a monster. On the same token, if you allow for abortions in these circumstances, you are a hypocrite. No. The question isn't "is it human life". Human life is not sacred. It never will be. The real question is "How should the right of bodily autonomy be weighed with the right to life?" You cannot push one human right above another. But you don't agree with that. Because you think the fetuses rights (which it doesn't even legally have) are more valuable than the mother's. It doesn't matter what's inside. I do not give consent. I therefore have the legal, and moral, right to terminate it. Hope this offers you a different perspective.
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@hettinga359 Which they don't even have.
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The whole point of Hitler being brought up is because he was Christian, unlike Stalin and Mao.
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@gastonhitw720 Sorry, I only speak English.
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I find it hilarious that you don't know how to use spell check. By the way, some of us are failed abortions.
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@codnoob1152 I hold no ill will towards my mother. She did not feel she could handle me, which she couldn't. A fetus doesn't care if it's aborted. Only one who cares are people like you.
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@codnoob1152 You can't care. You would lack a brainstem, so you do not have the capacity to care. Just like I wouldn't care if that abortion had been successful, because I lacked the capability to care. She did what she felt was right. I cannot blame her for that.
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@codnoob1152 And I wouldn't have cared if I was. She couldn't give me the life she felt I deserved. I hold more resentment to the people that forced her not to try and abort again than I do her.
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@codnoob1152 I don't think she was a selfish monster in the slightest. But that's your opinion. Probably because I actually understand why she wanted to abort me, something you're incapable of doing because you appeal to emotion. Considering abortion is still legal and the predominance is pro-choice, I would say Your pro life arguments are pathetic.
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@Miss PinkAndPurple When you cut someone off and are blatently incorrect about a topic, you deserve to be interrupted. The old man was a jackass. Not that the lady was any better, but he is very uneducated about secularism.
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Maddison Freeman How is it bringing that life safely into the world when the mother doesn not know how to care for that child and ends up abusing and neglecting it?
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Maddison Freeman Adoption agencies have turned away children because they lack funding and room. Even if they are given to an agency, there's no guarantee they'll ever be adopted. Also, not all family members will help. I'm all for taking these steps before considering an abortion, but I see an issue when people tell me "I wish I had been aborted"
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Thats not true. Just depends on your pallet.
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@BlueisNotaWarmColour I never argued it wasn't human. It is. So what? You're not inherently valuable. I'm well aware abuse and neglect are illegal. And yet it goes unreported. Because parents cannot care or handle their children. "A broken state is better than being dead" Says who? Have you been abused by the state? Why is death the worst possible option?
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@BlueisNotaWarmColour No you're not. You're subjectively valuable. Nothing gives you inherent value. Nature does not care. Also no. Abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term. There is no such thing as "natural human rights". That's a concept invented by a government, but stated in a way to make it appear as if the government could never take that away. Again, nature doesn't give two shits about you. Murder is illegal because it violates the rights set in place by the Constitution. Again, conflating abortion with murder. Tell me. Do you believe in human euthanasia? Do you believe a brain dead person should be taken off of life support? Literally the same concept. You are terminating the life and development of a nonsentient fetus. The bottom line is, you cannot dictate the rights of other people's bodies just because you want to "preserve" a life. Taxes don't pay for abortion. That's illegal.
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@BlueisNotaWarmColour I do not argue from morality and to me, abortion is not a moral argument. I can grant you the premise abortion ia evil and still argue its a necessary evil at this point in time. Perhaps it won't be one day. A fetus is not a sentient being any more than a brain dead person is until long after most abortions take place. Personally, I'm against abortion after first trimester when sentience is achieved, but I don't demonize women who have one. That fetus is in her body. It is using her uterus against her consent. Its right to life does not supersede her right to liberty. By the way, a fetus is never dismembered and vacuumed out unless its a late term abortion, which are nearly exclusively performed for medical reasons. No, taxes do not go towards abortion. Planned Parenthood does more than just abortions. Abortions are not funded by taxes. Thats in violation of the federal law.
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@BlueisNotaWarmColour My stance is not considered pro-life. Most people don't even seem to understand what pro-life actually is by definition. They often change the definition to fit a narrative. Pro-life, by its actual definition, is against euthanasia and abortion in ALL circumstances. I know very few "pro-life" people who take this hard of a stance. If we're talking the actual definition, most people are actually pro-choice. I know what its like to be thrown into a broken system. I have no opportunity for a future only because my mother didn't want me. Perhaps thats why I am so passionate about this topic. I sincerely believe a painless death, in which you cannot even comprehend what's happening, is better than a life full of mistreatment, where in the end, you'll be a dependent on the state for life.
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@dumbspud9890 Nope. Its not.
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@dumbspud9890 Sentince.
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@dumbspud9890 Why is that surprising
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@dumbspud9890 Sentience.
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@dumbspud9890 No. Around the time the brain develops conscious thought. Between 13-15 weeks
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I do have a hard time understanding hypocrites that don't care about women's or the dyings rights, but do care about fetuses before birth and want to lynch criminals.
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@ethanm.2411 You are. Because you try to elevate the right to life over the right to liberty. And thats simply not how this works. You do not have a right to life if that life intereferes with another person's natural rights. A doctor can't take a lung or kidney from you just because a person is dying and needs one. You can't be forced to donate organs or blood just because it will save others.
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Yrn Cartier If you won't pay for the abortion, you should have to pay for 18 years for the child's expenses when it's born to a mother who can't provide for it.
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Yrn Cartier adoption agencies now turn away children because of space issues. I understand not wanting to support something you don't believe, but that's why subsidies exist.
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He does if you are following the Bible.
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What proof is there that a God even exists?
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@elijahsulentic9410 The universe existing is not evidence of a God. You already start off on a faulty argument, because you have yet to prove the world was a creation. Whether or not this was a joke, its an actual argument people use. And its a flimsy one.
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@elijahsulentic9410 You have not proven creation. I see nature and can explain it through natural processes.
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@vision-dz6cm So what if its not human? Why are you special just because your human? We don't have sex to just procreate. So are you vegan? Because cows, sheep and pigs are domesticated animals, and have sentience unlike that 10 week old fetus.
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I thought it was common knowledge that the death penalty costs you MORE taxpayer money.
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@sugasweet435 Sex is a human instinct. I think a better approach would be helpful sex education, which is not provided in schools. A plan that focuses on protection rather than abstinence. Sex being intimate is a religious/personal thing. Sex is designed for pleasure and reproduction. Thats it. My school was strictly abstinence. No where did it discuss that sex is fine and perfectly natural, but that protection is important. We agree on the parents issue
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@theparadigm8149 Atheism is the lack of a belief in a God.
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Except I do have that right, regardless of the circumstances.
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@annon3485 No one's ending a baby's life. You are, in most cases, terminating the development of a non-sentient parasite.
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Yes. Because everyone convicted at trial is guilty right?
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@Moon_Mann11 I disagree. As someone who works in this field, very rarely are personal factors considered, especially for repeat offenders.
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@sharkas9965 Simply nothing more than correcting some misinformation is all.
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@sharkas9965 Your reply stated that "fetus" was an incorrect term to use. I just said that "fetus" would be the medically accurate term for any human in utero passed 10 weeks. I also then chimed in with saying that if you want an inaccurate term, it would be "baby", a word a lot of pro-life people like to use when discussing abortion. My comment is perfectly relavant. Sounds like you're just getting upset because it seems we disagree.
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Umm no. No logical person who is against the death penalty thinks like that. I'm against the death penalty because its more expensive on my taxdollars. Its not a deterrent to violent crimes. It doesn't lower crime rates. And it risks executing innocent people. Whats not "realistic" is a society where we show that killing is wrong by killing.
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He's also rude and indoctrinated.
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@juliameacham5828 No, I don't consider doing anything with your body that you want and consent to do bad. Your body, your rights, your choice.
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@juliameacham5828 If you'd like to have a meaningful debate, I wouldn't mind.
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@juliameacham5828 I'm not that type of person. I answer all my comments
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@juliameacham5828 Of course. How would you like to proceed?
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@juliameacham5828 My strongest pro-choice argument simply has to do with rights. We have equal rights. One does not supercede another. I believe abortion is more of a legal argument than a moral argument.
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@juliameacham5828 It does have rights. But its rights does not supercede the mothers. Consent means everything. I am of the opinion that sentience should be where abortion is no longer an option.
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TheLinkster That child won't have a chance at life if you force an unfit mother to birth it. She will come to resent it, and abuse and neglect it.
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Thats an argument from emotion fallacy and has no place in our law.
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Why do people always think that adoption is a fix all system thats not entirely broken?
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@coletonmccall701 Thats a matter of personal opinion. I would argue its not.
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@ImGoodThankYou Never said it was a trivial blob. But it also ism't a sentient being at the time most abortions are carried out. I am not a hypocrite and do not put humans on a pedestal. Life means nothing to me. Sentience does. Once a fetus gains sentience (between week 12 and 15 depending on development) abortion should be off the table.
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@ImGoodThankYou Being pro choice is responsible. How is it responsible to force a woman to give birth to a child she is unable to properly care for? Who are you saving in that instance? What do I want? The right to my body and the right for everyone else to stay out of my business. I'm sorry you live in a country that treats you poorly. But we do have that right over here. I do care, and I think it should be a last resort. The difference between you and me is I see both sides of the coin.
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@ImGoodThankYou I do see both sides of the coin whether or not you believe it. I don't believe people have inherent value. I don't believe your special just because you're born. I think to force your ideals onto others is wrong. I am all for fixing the adoption system. I am all for helping struggling mothers so they don't have to abort. I would love to see a world where abortion didn't exist. But at present time, that is not realistic. You fail to understand or see why a woman would make that choice, despite her hardships. Nothing in this world is black and white. There is no "scientific proof" that humans are valuable. Value is a social construct. There is no gauge in nature to measure value. Morality is subjective, and you automatically lose when your entire argument is based on morality. Even if I didn't support abortion, i still can't be pro-life because I support someone's right to die.
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You can't love a sinner and hate a sin. Sin makes up who people are.
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@jodyburns2822 And I don't believe in God.
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@jodyburns2822 Thats not what I meant. Being gay is a sin in your religion. If you hate the sin, you by default hate the sinner. Because some sins are a person's identity
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Because when more people have access, violence is reduced. Because people think. And actually, knives and blunt objects are much more lethal
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@lilymercy You are much more likely to survive, and be treated for, a gunshot as opposed to a stab wound. Most guns are semi-automatic. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun. You'd be in much better shape if you were randomly shot than stabbed with a kitchen knife.
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That's kinda exactly how it works in a majority of states.
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@nottheaveragedude8697 Yes, you absolutely can. All three guns I have purchased have been bought this way. Went into a show, bought a gun, walked out same day. Private sellers will not go through a background check if the law does not require it. Its expensive and time consuming.
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@nottheaveragedude8697 The three guns I purchased were in Valparaiso, Indiana. One of the laxest states on gun laws.
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Ineedas hower I was a failed abortion, and hold nothing against my mother for wanting to abort me. She couldn't provide for me like I needed to be provided for. How is abortion not murder? Because murder is unlawful whereas abortion is not. It's only considered a double homicide if the woman is 5 months along or longer.
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Which inherently takes away the choice of the mother who will have to care for the child who may not have the means to. The bottom line is you cannot miss something you never had, and people don't give a damn what kind of life the child will have as long as its born.
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@halliestein4972 No they don't. I have never seen someone who guilts a mother into not having an abortion ever try to help her after the child is born. Does that mean it never happens? No, of course not. But rarely do you people ever attempt to help a woman after she has given birth. Yeah they do. And guess what? They cost money. Not only that, they provide no financial stability for a woman. They only teach you how to physically care for a child. That does nothing to help a mother who has emotional or financial burdens. You cannot miss something you didn't have. As much as I have accomplished, as a failed abortion, I wish it had been successful. Because the success I have found was not worth the pain and struggle I had to go through. An abortion should be a last resort, and I have talked women out of abortions by offering help. That being said, to guilt them and deny them the right to abort when they cannot properly care for the child is irresponsible and vile.
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I hope you realize that you're not at the top of the food chain.
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@somethingsomewhere66 No, humanity is not. Humans are near the middle.
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@somethingsomewhere66 There's no one speices at the top of the food chain, but some examples would be Bears, Hyenas, Komodo Dragons Crocodiles and Lions. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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@somethingsomewhere66 Thats not what makes something at the top of a food chain. And predatory wise, without technology, you'd be fucked. Humans are omnivores. We consume both producers (like plants) and non predatory consumers (like cows). We do not consume strictly predators. You would not be able to survive for long on that diet. You are not the top of the food chain. Just accept that fact and move on.
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You tell me what other methods you would use to protect yourself when you are staring down the barrel of a gun. Exactly. I have the right to protect myself with force or from a tyrannical government.
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Which is where the sentient and sapient argument comes in. Thats the difference
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@3ka-MC Thats because you have a confirmation bias and you lived a privileged life free of abuse and neglect.
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@sd-lc3bl Because if they were actually a victim of abuse and neglect, they wouldn't have said every pro-choice argument is horrible. Its common sense. Not saying you couldn't have lived an abusive life and be pro-life, but you would understand and empathize pro-choice arguments.
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@3ka-MC Thats fine. However, I bet most of them would empathize with people who are pro-choice, whereas you do not.
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@sd-lc3bl It is common sense. Because anyone who has ever been through any type of abuse would understand how awful and broken foster care and home life could be. I literally said you can be pro-life and come from an abusive family. But you would understand where pro-choice people are coming from. Question, what's your opinion on human euthanasia/assisted suicide?
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@sd-lc3bl So someone shouldn't have a right to die on their terms and with as little pain as possible? That's very cruel of you in my opinion. Yeah, I disagree. I am permanently disabled because of an abusive system and would have rather been aborted.
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What makes him a liberal? Because he's against an expensive and outdated system that provides no benefit to society?
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Fetus rights do not supersede the rights of the mother.
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@5xmasterx548 They are equal. You are trying to place one above another.
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@5xmasterx548 You are putting the right to life over the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That isn't fair. Your rights stop where anothers begin and vice versa. Consent is everything.
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@5xmasterx548 Because thats what this boils down to. Consent. If a women does not consent to the fetus using het body, then it is her right to do what she wants with her body. No. If thats the case, should I be allowed to, without your consent, take an organ from you because it will save my life? I have a right to live, right?
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@5xmasterx548 A fetuses rights do not supercede the mother.
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@Great Gatsby Because the fetus legally has no personhood as it lacks sentience.
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@Great Gatsby The Constitution and the government defines the laws of the land. I would honestly agree with you. I would grant a fertilized embryo as a person. I would even grant abortion being evil. My debate is that of a legal one. I would also argue it is a necessary evil in the current period.
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@Great Gatsby It can be and that depends on your own sense of morality. I don't see a problem with abortion up until sentience, because sentience matters over life. Because I know first hand the harm it does to force a mother to give birth to an unwanted child, and I know the lengths women will go to when they feel trapped. Plus, outlawing abortion would not save anyone and would open up a can of worms. My right to life cannot impede on your pursuit of happiness. I cannot just take a kidney from you because I need one to live.
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Life doesn't matter. Sentience does. And also no. Its terminating the development of a fetus.
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You are correct in saying the judicial system isn't always correct. Sometimes the innocent are punished while the guilty go free. But these mistakes are NOT a common occurance. Not everyone believes in revenge.
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The US had 31 mass shootings in 2019. Quit believing everything the media tells you.
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Most vegans aren't like that
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@kikithekokopuff9278 Your ignorance on this subject is laughable.
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As if nearly 30% of abortions are done on people who were using contraception.
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But I thought God was omnipotent and all knowing? You can't have both.
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You have a mass stabbing issue.
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But, they're not objective. They depend on circumstance. They always will.
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@Nemesistyx No, I do understand. The problem is you CAN'T see it objectively. Your emotions naturally play a part in your decision making, and the key is to reduce the amount of subjectivity and bias. But you cannot fully eliminate it. Naturally, such as in your example, you should hire someone best fit for the job. But you simply cannot work with a person in a business if you do not like them. You cannot be entirely objective. The key is to be as objective as possible. This is why so many people get rejected as jurors.
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Uhh no actually. We are social creatures that desire attention and affection from more than one place. Humans can be monogamous, but are not inherently so.
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And? Vegans also understand thag the vast majority of humans have no nutritional need for meat.
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Projection at its finest. Also, no one is pro-death.
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Oh yeah. That bible that says rape, infanticide, murder and slavery is just fine...okay. Thats really sad that you need a 2000 year old book to determine right and wrong, especially when ita full of atrocities.
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It's not on the federal level unless the woman is 5 months along or more.
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@makeupandmentalhealth8346 Because you lack the basic understanding of the definition of murder.
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@makeupandmentalhealth8346 So apparently you don't know what murder is. Murder by definition is unlawful. Since abortion is not unlawful, it is not murder. That's a fact, not an opinion.
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@Canadianimmo I know what human life is. I just don't see why life matters. Because intentionally causing harm to a sentient being violates their right to protection. In a place where abortion is illegal, it would be murder by definition. I am speaking for the US. "Immoral human beings" is an entirely subjective phrase. I could make the argument you are an immoral human being for being perfectly content watching innocent children suffer at the hands of unfit parents who cannot care for them. The fetus doesn't care. Why should I? Human life has no inherent value, nor is a fetus a child. I'm not hypocritical on this issue at all.
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@Canadianimmo No, unlike you, I understand the difference between a non-sentient fetus and a sentient child. And no, I don't think your immoral. I was drawing a comparison. Everything dies. That is most certainly not my argument. Everyone should have the chance to grow up in a stable environment, and I believe not allowing that is wrong. I would love to just be able to tell parents to stop abusing and neglecting children. But reality does not work that way. Some parents don't want to neglect and abuse children, but don't know any other way. Others are mentally I'll or damaged, and are physically incapable of raising children. Also no, I'm just realistic and not ignorant of the fact that I don't have value just because I was born. Good thing morality is subjective, and you believing I'm immoral is just your opinion. Carry on being ignorant of what murder is and ad hominems if it makes you feel better. I don't believe in hell, so your pathetic prophecy means nothing. FYI: God is perfectly fine with abortions. Even advocates for them. I suppose he should be in hell too, hmm?
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Not in most states you don't. Gun show sales for the most part are private. No background check needed for private sales
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I believe what they are referring to is the fact that those things only apply to FFL dealers or stats that have ourlawed private sales. It's entirely geographical. Also, I'm not sure where you're getting "deemed mentally unstable by a court." There is no psychiatric test done. That wouuls be unconstitutional.
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Aside from euthanasia, is there any such thing as humane killing?
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@STONKS_MemeMan I'm doing well. Having a good holiday?
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Thats not true for everyone. Meat in moderation is fine. But generally, you're healthier without it. Find a diet that works for you. Meat, even "good meat", was horrible for me.
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Eh, there's extreme on both sides. I get tired of people telling me I have to take supplements or I must be severely unhealthy because I'm vegan and perpetuating the lie that you can't be healthy on a vegan diet.
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Late term abortions are only performed legally for medical necessity. It is against federal law for tax dollars to fund abortions.
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The Bible is a bad choice to use when discussing abortion, considering God outright calls for abortion in some parts of it. I find pro life people overly aggressive who want to see me die because I support a woman's right to choose to be a mother or not. I deserve the right to my body until that fetus is sentient.
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So discredited hacks...conspiracy theories...and read information that has either been debunked or does not exist.... Sounds legit.
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Sam Streveler Then doing it because you were raped is still because it's inconvient, so by your logic, rape victims shouldn't have that right either.
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Sam Streveler Fetuses heartbeat isn't separate from its mother at the time of most abortions. A rape victim doesn't want the child because she can't provide for it or because it would remind her of that experience. That's still because it's inconvient to her. That's the same reason why most women have an abortion. Because they cannot give it the love and live it needs to function normally.
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The death penalty is an outdated system that does nothing to benefit society.
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@tristinjudd2595 Life's not fair. My husband/boyfriend/person I slept with has absolutely no right to what I do with my uterus. I don't care how much he loves the parasite. I'm not carrying it for 9 months if I know I can't handle it. That's like saying I should have an equal say in what he does with his body.
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There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted. 26% of those children will commit suicide by the time they are 18. Over a third will be kicked out at 18 with nothing but a basic education, and half of them will end up in the prison system. How broken the adoption and foster care system is is something that is never discussed. The only way you guarantee a child is adopted is if you privately adopt. But that is a legal process that costs money, and your not always lucky enough to find a family that will pay those costs, not to mention any form of adoption still requires you to pay the expenses of pregnancy and birth. It isn't black and white. Stop making it so.
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IssyFishyy Its statistics, not discovery. We took a decade of children who spent a majority of their lives in and out of the foster care system. Do you not understand how statistics work?
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IssyFishyy Okay so you don't know how statistics work. We don't know it'll be the same case for them. I know many children who were adopted into loving and happy homes. That doesn't negate the ones who don't. Statistics look at a current group of people and gather data based on years of past results. These fluctuate with each year. "Objective statistic" doesn't exist. They change with time. Kinda like morality.
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@theprincipalityofbelka4646 ...The average time on death row is 21 years. What the fuck are you on?
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate to give you perspective from an ethical vegan. Predators, like cats, nutritionally need meat for their survival. Humans do not. So because of this, humans should have the higher moral compass to not needlessly slaughter animals.
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@janieswanson2549 I still am vegan. I'm just not an ethical vegan.
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@janieswanson2549 You're ad hominems based on videos from 5 years ago really say a lot about you and your intelligence level. And yes, I am vegan. I do not use animal products except when necessary for practical reasons. Exactly like the term says.
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@asdadishere Actually, its not scientifically inaccurate. All human beings are simply clusters of cells on a biological level. On top of that, life has no intrinsic value. You aren't valuable just because you exist (at least in my opinion). Unique genetic makeup? No, not at all. Its about 98% similar to other humans and its parents. That 1 or 2% doesn't make it unique. The line drawn is at sentience, at least when dealing with a fetus.
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@asdadishere At their basic biological levels, all organic matter is just cells. That is literally the first thing a biologist will tell you. That's not saying that is all there is to it, but at your ground level you ARE just cells. It has nothing to do with life holding intrinsic value. It has everything to do with what the Constitution says. The reason we consider killing wrong is cultural, not moral. Morality is entirely subjective. Perhaps we don't in a colloquial sense, but we certainly do on a biological sense. No, comatose people are still sentient. Fetuses are not. Unless you are brain dead (which isn't the same as being comatose) you have the capability to think and feel subjectively. Even if you cannot convey it. Abortion should be off the table when the fetus gains sentience. Also, for the record, people in comas should be let go. You put your pet to sleep when it is no longer living a functioning life. Why don't we offer that service to humans?
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@asdadishere "Morally wrong to do so". Only in your opinion. In other cultures and places, being killed is revered as an honor. You can have an objective goal to apply subjective morality to, but morality, in the end, is still subjective. Nothing in nature says killing is wrong, and that is not universally agreed upon. Just because its based on the premise that life has intrinsic value doesn't mean it does. That intrinsic value came from the fact that the founders were deists. There is an established definition of sentience. It doesn't matter what YOUR definition is. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. Anyone with brain activity has that. Why is that? Humans are animals as well. No one is in a coma for a predictably short period of time. That simply doesn't happen. I don't value human life above animals as that is hypocritical to me. A person should be allowed the right to die as well, you said. You understand that the definition of pro-life is also against euthanasia, correct? You can't be both. If you cannot take care of a child, you should have the right to abort before sentience. That is my stance. I hear too many children, whose lives are now over, scream they should have been aborted.
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@asdadishere As I said before, you can have an objective standard and still understand morality is subjective. Its called moral relativism. Why does it matter that children are abused? That their lives are ruined forever? Is that what you are honestly asking me? You can say that when you have an objective goal, and apply subjective morality, then it works objectively for or against that goal. I get this all the time in debates. I bring up my position, and people stop because they feel backed into a corner. I hold no hatred for you just because your opinion is different from mine. Yes, I think that is when sentience occurs. Also, yes they are. Not being able to convey what they are feeling does not equate to not being able to feel. That's like saying that a person who is mentally handicapped to the point of being non-verbal cannot feel. Sentience/brainstem activity, obtained usually between 10-12 weeks gestation. Then you aren't pro-life. You are pro-choice and against abortion. But just as you think that terminating an unborn is immoral, I think knowingly allowing a child to be born to unfit parents where their likelyhood of success in life is low is immoral.
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@asdadishere No, its just morality as a concept is subjective. Thats one of the biggest issues debating from a sense of morality. But, like in your example, we can have child slavery collectively be wrong (subjectively) and have an objective goal to end it. Therefore, outlawing child slavery would be an objective positive step toward that goal. Thats my stance.
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@asdadishere But thats not the majority opinion. Only a minority are against abortion. Because I have an MD. And I've studied the brain extensively. Brain function is sentience, even when part of the brain does not function normally or at all. You didn't lose the ability to feel. You lost the ability to remember what happened while unconcious and lost the ability to convey how you were feeling. That doesn't mean you don't react to outside stimuli. Sort of like how a fetus moves when it hears its mothers voice. When you lose conciousness, the part of the brain that controls memory does not function. This is why its extremely difficult for most people to remember dreams vividly, or why intoxicated people never remember what happens. That congnition is switched off. We can accurately predict the circumstances of a child's life depending on the situation it is born into. Those who are born into a loving family typically grow up normal and those born to unloving or unsupportive families typically suffer hardships. Is this always the case? No. But the rare occasions are outliers. There is worse in the world than death.
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@asdadishere That is not the case at all. A vast majority of the population is pro-choice. Yes, insects are sentient. As are all animals. I think that decision should be left up to them. My stance is that children who will be born into situations that give them major disadvantages in life, a mother has the right to prevent their child from being born in that situation. A sentient woman also has the right to autonomy over her body over a non-sentient fetus. No. No one should have the right to force their beliefs on ANYONE. Pro-choice gives you all the choice pro-life does. Often, mothers who believe they will be unfit choose other methods, such as adoption or allowing a family member or friend to raise the child until they are stable. Abortion is just a route open when all else fails. A non-sentient fetus cannot care and you cannot miss something you didn't have. So why do you care?
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He said "the risks are far outweighed by the benefits". Learn to listen.
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They won't say it here, but they'll definitely say that on social media.
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I hate when people who are pro-gun spread misinformation, because it looks bad on everyone who is pro-gun. The gun show loophole, while not a loophole, is most certainly not a myth. You can most certainly hand someone some cash, show an ID and walk out. Not everyone who sells at shows are FFL dealers and there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales and only 15 states put restrictions on private sales. Most states also don't require a CCL. Indiana, where I live, is an open carry state. I am on your side, but you make the arguement look weak when you spread misinformation.
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Vaccines have occasionally caused seizures. This is documented. But they're usually mild, and are easily treated. They also don't continue.
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Plants aren't sentient. They cannot "suffer" in the context of that word, because there is no nervous system or brain to register "suffering".
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So what evidence do you have that atheists have a wrong path?
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@buzzlightyearlight1247 I'm anti death penalty because it does nothing benefical and isn't practical.
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The reasons Christians don't like to debate atheists is because when they are pulled into the zone of being unbiased, their God fails. If you could show me the evidence of a deity, I'd gladly believe in one. I'm open to that possibility.
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Raa16 I was a Christian for over 20 years. If you could show me any tangible evidence of a higher power, I would absolutely believe in it. I may not worship it or devout my life to it, but I would, in fact, believe in it. Know why I'm an atheist? Because I can't lose.
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Raa16 Yes, I would. And there is no evidence. You see things you cannot reasonably explain, and thus "must be God". This is called a "God of the Gaps fallacy". Just because you cannot explain it, or it has yet to be explained, does not mean God did it. Most atheists are also agnostics. In fact, I personally don't know any atheists who are not agnostic. If you could show them evidence of a God, they would believe in one. They may call them evil (for instance, if the God of the Bible is true, then I personally consider that God to be evil), but they will believe. It is you who is ignorantly misrepresenting atheists dishonestly. No, its just simply a) God is real and just, so I go to "Heaven". b) God is real, but is a morally bankrupt tyrant, in which case I would never want to spend an eternity with them. Or c) God does not exist. I win in all of these scenarios.
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Raa16 I don't know why that's so difficult for you to believe. I'm an atheist because I see no evidence of a God. Nothing more. The earliest person who was mentioned in the Bible that we have record for was King David. And even if some parts of the Bible are historical, that doesn't make the whole thing true. Because we have proved several things of the Bible false. I don't know. What have you seen that you claim is evidence for a God? And how does it not make sense. Just because we don't know an answer does not mean we should jump to God. That is ridiculous. You can literally read through comments and stories. You can Google statistics. No, because I recognize the category difference between a coloquial atheist and a philosophical (or gnostic) atheist. These people should really be called anti-theists. These are the people who claim a God does not exist. I've personally never met an atheist like this, other than online. I can support it to the people I know. And I can support for myself personally. I never claimed there aren't irrational atheists. There are. Oh and, the Bible does not paint your God in a pretty light. I'm sorry, but if the Bible is true, your God is evil. Period. No, I wouldn't lose. Because living in a "Hell" would be infinitely better than living with a tyrant. I don't personally believe in an afterlife, so whether or not I get into Heaven is irrelevant. If God is all loving and forgiving, and an afterlife exists, then I do get into heaven.
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@devensdailyshow Only in 15 states do you need any form of background check on private sales. I own several handguns and have never had a background check, as they've all been private sales. All I had to do was show my license to prove I was a state resident. It's not lies to say most states have no background check on private sales. You either bought your firearms from a licensed dealer, or they opted to give you a background check, which they aren't required by law to do.
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@devensdailyshow There are a lot of people looking at banning ALL guns, not just semi automatic weapons. You're argument was that you need a background check to buy weapons. That is not the case in most states.
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Thats fine. Then you should be completely responsible if something happens. Odds of seizures from a vaccine: 1/3000 Odds of developing encephalitis after contracting measles: 1/400 Does the benefit outweigh the risk?
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smashleegee Why should you be respectful to someone who was disrespectful to You? Especially when he was spouting utter nonsense.
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Because it is not your job to sue the manufacturer. That's how you get legitimate products to become unavailable. You go to vaccine court. The fact is, we know vaccines can have side effects. But we can also see the benefits that having vaccines have done. Now its up to you whether you take that chance.
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No. You don't need supplements if you're doing the vegan diet correctly.
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You're not born with a gender. Your born with a sex. And even that isn't binary.
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@andressanchez3185 Sex is not binary. Sex is bimodal.
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@alb4150 But there are many commenters who do not.
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@alb4150 No, its just facts. Humans are animals. Thats not up for debate.
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@alb4150 But its not. Because you don't need to eat animals.
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@alb4150 No you don't. You want to. And thats okay.
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That depends on whether you are purchasing from a dealer with an FFL or a private seller.
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@Kaylamnm I never claimed to.
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@travisjohnson7065 Once again, not my problem the fetus can't live outside my uterus.
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Sentient life. And Planned Parenthood helps a lot of people. It does more than just abortions.
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If the "side partner" and "main partner" are fine with the relationship, then no its not cheating. Also, thats usually not how we refer to people. I think she was using terms to make it easier for someone who is not in that sort of relationship to understand.
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@alverytadier558 If thats your stance, you're pro-choice. Not pro-life. There is no mixing the two. They're the antithesis of each other.
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IssyFishyy It does happen. And those who are pro-life would force that child to give birth.
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There are plenty of inks that are vegan.
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I'm a dietary vegan. I abstain from animal products primarily for health reasons.
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No you don't. Not if the sale is private. Also, most states do not require any type of license to own a gun, unless you want to carry it in public. And actually, its 16 in some states for long guns.
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Yes...so convenient and easy to be judged for a medical procedure that you have to pay out of pocket as if abortion isn't taking responsibility.
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She really isn't. Watch her stuff. She has amazing insight.
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Polygamy is not polyamory.
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No one in the US has died from a vaccine since 1991.
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@skinnycacitas66 Mmm. I'm not mad. Just pointing out statistics
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LillaBittaPlo Pro life also includes being against assisted suicide.
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They also can't be used by all people and fail
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MrPanda412 _ Then you should have to pay to raise that child.
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MrPanda412 _ You can't just give a child to a family. Without a lawyer and a shit ton of money, that's illegal. Adoption agencies have been turning children away, because there is not enough funding and room. I agree that abortion should be the absolute last resort, but it happens for a reason.
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MrPanda412 _ Because I would rather a fetus be aborted when it is not sentient that be born to an unfit parent who will abuse and neglect it in which either a) it will die b) it will grow up to abuse others or c) Be thrown into the foster care system where it will be further abused
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MrPanda412 _ Most abortions are performed between 6 and 9 weeks. No brainstem, no pain, no heartbeat. Not all states have such a late cutoff date.
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MrPanda412 _ I am a girl, and a lot of times abortions are performed because the father abandons the mother. If he remains in the picture, I absolutely believe he should have a say.
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I absolutely know what being in love feels like. I happen to be in love with multiple people.
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@Alex-jt5wh No I feel the same physical need for each of them, though I only have 2.
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@Alex-jt5wh Physical need as in physical attraction. Love absolutely can be physical, emotional and or sexual.
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I see how you copied my comment. Nice edit though.
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You haven't proven he does so...
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Except the Bible often condones abortion.
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Except the law says you do. Shove your own morals.
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@TageChe98 Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. A fetus does not have the right to use a sentient human being without her consent, regardless of circumstances. You know what's also not right or humane? Forcing unfit people to be parents, or letting a broken state abuse them. People like you are the reason I have permanent disabilities. That I wasn't loved. That I had horrid things done to me. Because you thought a broken system was better than never having experienced anything.
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@TageChe98 If a woman believes that giving birth is not in THE BABY'S best interest, she should have the right to abort. Unfortunately, you will also have people who just use abortion as birth control. No, what's selfish is forcing someone to do what you feel is right against their will. There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted. Do you know what happens to the ones that aren't? They're abused by a system and then abandoned. You would rather see people suffer and be in pain then be terminated before they can feel. So no. I will blame you. Because its YOUR fault.
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Who are you to decide that? You're feelings on that only really matter if you are the victim he or she harmed. Not supporting a useless system of revenge does not make you dumb
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@brandonali1452 Shouldn't be about whether or not they deserve it. It should be whether or not it benefits society. I lost my sister to a murderer, and have permenant disabilities because of it. I have forgiven him and advocated against the death penalty because it isn't justice in my opinion. You may think it's dumb. I think you're wrong.
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@ethanm.2411 No, it isn't. Because murder is strictly a legal term and has an established definition. Not all killing equates to murder. While I can grant you the premise that abortion is killing a human, it is not murder.
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If a law is not beneficial to society, it should be done away with, regardless of your emotional response
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The reason they sit on death row for so long is because of the appeals process. Sorry, but executing 1000 guilty people isnt worth executing 1 innocent. There is no reason for the death penalty.
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@shredhead161 The cost of the execution isnt the problem. It's the appeals process. That's where it costs. I am not morally okay with executing 1 innocent person over 1000 guilty people. That's why they spend 15-20 years on death row. You call the whole system into question when you execute an innocent person. The trial is fair and speedy. But you have a right to appeal a conviction for whatever reason. It doesn't and shouldn't be a consequence.
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@shredhead161 People lie and doctor/forge evidence. Is this rare? Absolutely. But it has and does happen. That's why the appeals process is there. But regardless, it still does nothing beneficial. It doesn't lower crime rates and it isnt a deterrent. We should focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment
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@shredhead161 That's part of my job at times. It's one of the reasons I got into the Criminology profession. I'm not saying everyone can be rehabilitated. But we dont even try with the ones who honestly can. Some people are clinically psycho and sociopathic. These people cannot be helped. But most murderers aren't like that.
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Laws should not be dictated by your emotions. I lost my 10 year old sister to a murderer, and I have permanent disabilities because of him. But my emotions shouldn't overrule my logic. If it doesn't benefit society, it shouldn't be used.
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@jordanhout252 Yes they should. And it's not logical to have the death penalty. It does nothing to benefit society.
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@jordanhout252 Because the Constitution says people have a right to life. And violating that right for someone else does not negate yours. That's an emotional response.
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@jordanhout252 I understand that it is impossible to have a law without emotion. The only reason something is a crime because of emotion. But a law shouldn't be SOLELY based on emotion. If capital punishment did something to benefit society, I'd support it. But it doesn't.
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@jordanhout252 The overpopulation in prison wouldn't be a thing if prison sentences were not handed down for minor offenses, especially ones that are not violent. It's too expensive It's not a deterrent It doesn't lower violent crime rate It risks putting an innocent person to death. There is no benefit.
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Your rights stop where another persons starts. It is also our right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but I cannot infringe on your rights to do that. You might rather live, and thats probably because you don't know what its like. Human life is not inherently valuable.
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@daniellemichael1 Just because life comes first doesn't mean it trumps the other rights. Human life is no precious and is extremely similar to all other forms of animal life. At least scientifically. We could argue morals and emotions all day. The bottom line is the right to life does not supersede the right to pursuit of happiness. I have CKD and am on a transplant list. I cannot walk into your home and demand you give me a kidney simply because without one I will die and I have a right to life. My right to life does not matter more than your right to pursue happiness.
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@daniellemichael1 No, its not incomparable, because its a matter of rights. If you advocate for pro-life, then you ARE demanding to take rights from women and the dying and you ARE controlling someone's body. You do not protect life by outlawing abortion. I'm not trying to start a fight either. I'm simply debating you.
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@daniellemichael1 The other half of pro life is being against a person's right to die (euthanasia). No, the fetus is attached to her body, only developing a seperate one by feeding off of her. Its genetic code come from both parents and is 99% similar to everyone else. Having a child is also detrimental to a womans physical and mental health.
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@douglas carpenter Ummm no. There is no fixing my kidney. My kidney failure has nothing to do with diet. The law does not recognize the unborn as human life, something I can even disagree with. From a strictly legal perspective, a fetus has no rights. It IS th mothers body. It is attached to her womb. It is growing its own body by feeding off of her. Yes, it is human. Yes, it is living. You only have rights because of a government. And your rights stop where someone else's begin.
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We...didn't evolve to be monogamous?
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@andrewjohnson9014 No it isn't. Marriage is a religious concept. Plenty of people have commonlaw partnerships. You don't have to be monogamous to care for children. Marriage had no effect on mortality rate. Uhh no. Cognition is what differentiates us from other animals.
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No, your pro-life because your religious or you ridiculously believe that a fetus has more rights than a sentient mother and the dying should be forced to suffer. Abortion is not murder. It is your body. It is your uterus. And as far as killing life, you do that every day, you hypocrite.
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Yes because abortions never happen in cases where a woman isn't sleeping around...because a man always sticks around. You don't live in reality do you?
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@KingSye78 And my point is neither of those things prevent you from getting pregnant.
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Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It refers to private sales at gun shows, which do happen. Quite frequently.
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@emansol9588 Yes it does happen. All of my guns have been purchased from private vendors at shows. People who do not have an FFL and are under no legal obligation to perform a background check. You do understand the difference between a dealer and a private sale, yes?
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The argument isn't that they aren't alive. Its that they aren't sentient. No reputable study says they can feel pain, becauae you cannot feel without a nervous system or brain. They equate reactions to outside stimuli as feelings, and thats false equivalence.
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Why not just abolish it? Can you provide a reason other than emotional?
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@MasterDrewboy So emotional. I don't consider that justice. Thats just revenge. The opinion of justice is subjective.
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@MasterDrewboy Then your simply using emotion to drive anger, and thats not what our laws are or should be based on.
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Except the "truth" is something that needs to be supported by evidence, something religion does not do. Claiming something as truth doesn't make it so. Your God is a monster if he actually exists.
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No they don't. Private sales can happen at shows and don't require a background check in most states.
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@ekoyal_gemu4446 I'm well aware.
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Not really. The body wants sex,and to deny its urges is unhealthy, both for the mind and body.
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No, because murder is illegal and abortion is not. Not only that, but the heartbeat you hear is not independent from the mother, nor does a heartbeat determine life. Thats the brainstems job.
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@ayaanayubi1117 You can literally google the diets of vegan athletes. Many of them don't take supplements.
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Nothing eats us? Bears, Crocodiles, Hyenas, Komodo Dragons and Wolves are all classified as man-eaters. You clearly don't know how food chains work, because we are certainly not the top. Food chains are measured by trophic levels, and in the wild, we would have natural predators. Humans are around the middle of our trophic level food chain.
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@Abel Abel That doesn't mean we're at the top.
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@Abel Abel Food chains are based on trophic levels. There are animals that eat humans. Bears, Komodo dragons, Hyenas, Crocodiles. Those are all man-eating predators. My point is that people don't know how a food chain is measured scientifically if you claim you are at the top. Because you're not.
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That depends entirely on geography.
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Some of the most vile and despicable people also had difficult childhoods. That is a terrible argument. Why deny a person a chance? Because that chance is dramatically reduced when raised by unfit parents. I would choose to die. Despite all my accomplishments, I am a failed abortion. My life was not worth the misery I suffered. But, I only speak for me. I question that the fetus would rather live than not know that pain. That is not true in my experience.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Too bad none of those statements are false. It IS her body, it DOESN'T dehumanize anyone, and abortion rates are LOWER in areas where it's legal. Illegal and unreported abortions skyrocketed in countries where abortion was banned, and women simply gave themselves an abortion, or jumped the border. You did not save those fetuses by banning abortion.
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Vaedyx III Yeah? I see many more defensive Christians
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While I don't think anyone should be legally forced to vaccinate, the problem with allowing anti-vax to spread is mutations. You place other people at risk for potential epidemics, like what happened with Ebola.
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You're using the word create, which already speaks of something you have yet to prove. You have yet to prove we were created. By the way, the Big Bang says nothing about how life got here. It talks about the expansion of our universe
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@joshuacastro3772 Christanity has been declining in popularity for the last 20 years. 87% identified as Christians in 1995 compared to 75% in 2015. Are there atheists converting? Sure. They're also converting to other religions, and religious people are also converting to atheism.
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@joshuacastro3772 In the US, you are correct. My point is Christainity is on the decline in the US.
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@joshuacastro3772 I am speaking in terms of the US. Not in terms of the world at large. By the way, I'd like a source for that. Because those statistics aren't coming up at all.
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No there isn't. In fact, there is no scientific evidence to decide one way or the other. Science is neutral that can be used in either way. I don't see a solid argument to be against a person's right to liberty.
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I'm sorry. It sounds like you may have been allergic. Good on you.
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@travisjohnson7065 Americans also have the right to liberty, and those rights are equal. It doesn't natter how badly I want to live. I can't force you to give me a kidney without ypur explicit consent. The same applies to abortion.
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@travisjohnson7065 So did you just completely skip the line of these rights being equal? I guess you did. They were not in that order because they were most to least important. The founders believed these rights were unaliable, granted by a Deity, and were of equal value. My life can also not come at the cost of your liberty. I cannot force you donate an organ or blood, no matter how much I need it. Period. This is how our rights were written. If you don't like it, don't participate or move.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Except you didn't. Not one comment on this thread is from you. And it wouldn't be invalid. If the right to life is so important, then DNR's and slow Codes would be illegal and donations that save lives without killing the person donating would all be mandatory.
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@travisjohnson7065 That is the most mental gymnastics answer I have ever read. No, it did not mean equal that way. Take a government class. It meant all inalienable rights were equal to each other. You have a right to LIFE. No where does it say you have a right to not be killed. We made that law on the grounds that it violates your right to life. Whether you are killed by a knife or a disease, you are still being killed. And if the right to life was so important, then standing by and doing nothing to help when you have the capability would be the same as accessory. But its not. Because thats not the ways our laws were defined. That is why the SC has struck down everything that tried to overturn Roe vs Wade. Because a fetus does not get the right to use your uterus without your express consent.
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@travisjohnson7065 Abortion statutes are different in different states yes, but do not vary by much. A fetus, legally, should (in my opinion) have rights when it becomes sentient. This is after most abortions are performed. That is what we use to legally define personhood. A fetus does not get the right to use my uterus without my consent. But I also can't just let it develop and then withdraw that consent, because that would put liberty above life. Sentience is where the pro-choicers I know draw the line.
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@travisjohnson7065 Because then the rights are unequal. This is where you're mixing legality and morality. Legally, a woman can withdraw consent when it doesn't interefere with another right. Sentience isn't ambiguous. Its when the ability to think and feel is established. No, I don't. Because there is no such thing as natural rights. The rights you currently have bend to the will of opinions from people in higher power than you. That is our reality. I have my morals, you have yours. I see, at this time, a necessity for abortion.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No. It, I suppose marks them as spam. So I don't see it.
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@travisjohnson7065 Morality is subjective, and changes with society and time. Sentience is achieved when the neurological structure of the brain finishes and attaches to what will become the CNS. By 15 weeks. People have already told me I don't have rights. Legally I do. That's what matters at this point. Should that change at some point, I will either fight, leave, or adapt. The difference is we can use objectivity to show that a genocide wasn't necessary. You can use objective truths towards objective morality.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Then you clearly didn't read the Constitution, and I would advise you take a Government class. The order didn't matter. It doesn't matter the biological purpose. The fact remains that when you are using another person, you need consent. Its not forced. Its one of the reasons we have Roe vs Wade. Consent means everything and consenting to sleep with someone does not mean consent to pregnancy. And yes, morality is subjective. Nothing in nature says killing is wrong. You think killing is wrong because you were raised in an environment where that was taught. Objective reasoning can be used for a subjective truth. This is tenant of secular humanism. That doesn't make morality objective. It has and will change with people and timem And yes. Youtube does block spam comments.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 It can't. The mother has to give the consent by allowing the development. That's the point. A non-sentient creature doesn't get a choice. The sentient being has the choice. Allowing a man to ejaculate inside you does not give the consent for a fertilized egg to implant. This is the core of the issue we have.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Prisoners lose certain rights. Rights are at the will of a governmental body. Unfortunately, nature doesn't care about humans. And biology wouldn't show you that. The way we interpret consent is what shows us that.
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There is no need for capital punishment.
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Which is weird, because that is certainly not what the Bible teaches.
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The process your talking about is called a private adoption, and the issue is that its a legal process. Most people even considering abortion would not be able to afford the doctors and lawyers fees of a private adoption. If abortion is an option at all, it should be a available to everyone. Don't be a hypocrite.
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You don't choose your gender any more than you choose your sexuality.
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Way to want to see people die.
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@britishmgtow7251 And how would banning abortion do that? Do you realize how many children born to unfit parents die to abuse and neglect?
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@britishmgtow7251 A fetus is not a baby.
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@britishmgtow7251 A fetus becomes a baby when it is born. That is just biology. When should abortion be off the table? When the fetus becomes sentient.
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Not so much a myth as bad nomenclature.
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Queen Bøat It wasn't just the atheists that did that. In fact, it was the old man that instigated that by trying to tell the atheist that she wasn't an atheist.
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And? That only matters if you believe life, specifically human life, has inherent value.
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@Hsjskakakkaja I don't know any vegan who doesn't know they aren't eating living things with plants. But that isn't the argument. You two seem ignorant...
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Not true. Private sellers do not have to provide background checks.
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@vasiliantonov7484 I know. California has the strictest gun laws in the country.
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So because I want to be healthy, that disgusts you?
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@Ankh I believe you'll find we can. I mean, if you but your bias and misunderstanding aside.
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Abortion is not murder nor is it harming a sentient thing.
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Mar B He flat out told her she was not an atheist, she was an agnostic. Yeah, he was being a dick. Because when she tried to again state she was an atheist, he said she wasn't. And she was. So that gets annoying
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@Coaster Creator No its not true. That would be against federal law. You're just spewing lies to suit a narrative.
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Except they're not.
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@SilentDaydreams No, we're not. We're in the middle with pigs.
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Tim Account You will never be the majority. By the way, humans aren't precious. Their animals just like everyone else. Get over the fact that you are not inherently valuable.
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Tim Account Nope, just passionate. I'm perfectly fine with you having a different opinion.
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Good thing your opinions don't matter then
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@ethanm.2411 Everyone's choices is based on bias. You cannot truly be unbiased. I would have chosen death if I had known my situation. Other than that, I wouldn't have cared.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 They aren't asleep. They haven't gained consciousness yet. Yes, they are alive, because they have growing cells that are alive and dividing. And yes, I have the right to terminate a pregnancy.
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 Strawman argument, but I'll entertain you. If you are refusing to care for a sentient being independent of your body, that is neglect. So yes, you are doing something wrong. That is not comparable to having the sole ownership of your womb.
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Because he told her she wasn't an atheist. Which she is. Everyone should be agnostic.
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Its just not though.
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@familyguy8184 Its not. Like, that's a fact.
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@familyguy8184 It is a fact. Murder has an established definition.
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@familyguy8184 You can call it disgusting if you want. That doesn't make it murder.
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Or you know...people just understand that it isn't a baby and that it's terminating in most cases a non-sentient parasite. Listen, I'm pro gun, but you make us look bad when you drag in things like abortion.
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@qk-tb2df Being pro-choice doesn't make me immoral, considering morality is subjective. So yes, it is a bad argument.
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@qk-tb2df I don't believe in God, so I can't say he's dead. And yes, morality is subjective. However, you can put your subjective morals for or against an objective goal.
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Matthew Pyle Everyone's agnostic. It's not a belief claim.
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I take my moral compass from compassion and empathy and secular humanism, not a book that says rape, murder and slavery is okay.
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@lily824 Then you must not believe in the Bible because taken literally, that's exactly what God says, if the Bible is Gods word. I don't, and have never, believed humans are innately good. We're neutral and then, in relative terms, become good or evil based on our decisions. The Bible also teaches you to hate and belittle those who do not believe the way you do. I am not spreading hate. I told the original commenter where my morality comes from. How you equate that with hatred is your problem. I have read the Bible. It's a violent, abhorrent disgusting book. If you haven't seen that, you're either biased and only reading what you want to read, or you haven't read it. He wants a pur peaceful world? No hon. He wants people to convert everyone and worship him like a goddamn dictator. He's supposedly omnipotent, so he could have a pure peaceful world if that's really what he wanted.
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That was a number you pulled out of your ass, and by the way, that works for all possibilites. Life conforms to the environment. It doesn't make sense to not have answers and simply fill them in with God.
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@nickstojic6995 It is an accurate argument because the base for both is bodily autonomy. Even if I am on deaths door because of renal failure, a doctor cannot drag you into an OR and remove your kidney to save me. My right to life is not above your right to liberty. Its the same in pregnancy. It doesn't matter what the purpose is. A fetus does not get to use the mother to sustain life unless the mother consents
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Because private sales are a thing, even if they aren't the majority.
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@BaxtonVR I'm aware of that. But if they had corrected them on the background check, the argument of private sales would have started.
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The right to life doesn't supercede the right to liberty.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 That isn't what constitues the right to liberty, and you damn well know that.
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@whitewhitewhite2446 When we're speaking about the right to liberty, you know that its about the right to do with your body what you choose to do. The right to life does not supercede this, which is why abortion has never been overturned. (Technically, fetuses don't even have the right to life, but I'll speak as if they do)
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@maroonmaroonmaroon2985 The problem with that is that is not what the right to liberty means. Nor does the right to liberty superecede the right to life. These rights are equal.
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Mercury has not been used in any vaccines since 1996 and you naturally both absorb and ingest aluminum. All of what you just mentioned is already present either in the body, or consumed. There has never been a link showing that vaccines cause brain inflammation, nor that it penetrates the blood brain barrier.
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You don't need any background check if the sale is private in most states
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@reneeelliott2860 Most gun shows ARE private sales.
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Thats ironic since the Bible condones abortion.
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You do realize that according to the Bible, she WILL burn in hell? Or are you one of those people who ignore the old testament and cherry pick through the downright despicable parts?
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@akilles9722 So don't say they lack intelligence for something they're right about. You look foolish.
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@akilles9722 I can read perfectly fine. She has every right to disbelieve in something with 0 evidence.
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@akilles9722 I highly doubt that's the only thing that made her disbelieve. And once again, her father was right if the Bible is truly the word of God, which fundamentalists believe. That doesn't make her unintelligent.
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@ethanm.2411 It doesn't have a unique genetic code. Its 99% both of its parents. And no, it still is her body. Its using her uterus. You're spinning the Violinist narrative.
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@ethanm.2411 Except those things aren't what we would genetically call unique. Not from a medical perspective anyway. I don't have a unique genetic code. My code is a combination of my mother and father. Colloquially we call it unique, but realistically, its not. As far as dependance on her body, that is not the opinion of medical professionals or the law, which is why abortion is an option. If you need to use another person's autonomy to sustain life, they must consent. Or you are in violation of their rights. Yes. Yes you are. Unless you're also of the opinion that blood, plasma and organs should be mandatory and not voluntary.
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@ethanm.2411 All rights are equal in the Constitution. By your words, you should be mandated by law to give blood, give plasma and donate organs because it saves lives. 1. No, because the rights are equal. You cannot violate another's life to pursue your own. 2. Abortion is dealing with the consequences, as is motherhood and adoption. 3. It is a parasite. It survives by living off another creature while providing no benefit and causing harm. Sorry that that fact bothers you. We just don't colloquially view it as one, because many find pregnancy a happy occasion. 4. If we wanted to be strictly legal, the unborn has no Constitutional rights. Even if it did, which I can consent it should, its rights were still be equal. I don't get to take your kidney just because I'll die without one. A fetus does not get to use a woman's uterus unless she consents to it.
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They don't intentionally make things worse. Sometimes, unfortunately, your genetic makeup works against you. None of them are actively harmful.
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@naria2224 You implied it. Sometimes, medication makes things worse. That's not a reason not to take medication. Its a reason to talk to your doctor.
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And you would have been just as irritating and just as wrong.
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One, atheism is not a religion. And two, the majority of the west is Christian.
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@kerishnielourens9962 Its the opposite of a religion.
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That explanation in no way determines abortion is wrong, especially since we as a species care about sentience over life.
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@tetea3869 killing and murder are not the same thing, nor is murder wrong objectively. I would argue forcing a woman to give birth to a child she cannot care for is evil.
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@parthenon5106 Pro-life who want ro make it punishable by law to have an abortion are forcing a woman to give birth. Rape exists in abortion, although minute. Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Pull your head out of your ass
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Vicky Macedo And the Christian old man wasn't?
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Because the law believes in trying to build a society to help people. Thats how you lower crime rates.
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@kL-vs6wz As someone who lost a sister to a murderous psychopath whose own mother committed suicide because of it, and who has lifelong disabilites, no. However, to think that executing them will do anything to help your family is emotionally based and frankly false. No amount of punishment will heal the pain and sadness. But killing them is not practical.
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@kL-vs6wz I never did any of that. I simply answered your question from another person who knows the pain
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@kL-vs6wz That was a general statement, not specific to your family. And in terms of it not being practical is just a fact. It is not my fault that you read something that wasn't there.
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@kL-vs6wz It is cheaper to keep a person in prison for life than it is to put a person to death. This is common knowledge.
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@kL-vs6wz It should be. I'm not snippy. I'm blunt. And when people make false statements without doing research, I get incredibly irritated. I'm sorry if that demeanor can come off as rude.
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Not if your doing veganism correctly. You shouldn't have any nutritional problems.
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It does. Its just terribly named, as it is not a loophole nor only applies to gun shows
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matthew elsiray Which is why everyone is agnostic. You're either an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist.
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matthew elsiray If you don't know for sure whether or not a God exists, something you can't know, you are an agnostic.
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Josh If there is no forgiveness, then God is not all loving and is a monster. Fuck him then.
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Apparently, you don't have accurate knowledge either. Federally, a vendor only needs to run a background check if they are a dealer, in order to comply with their FFL. But if you are simply selling, 38 states don't have any mandated background check. You simply need to show a valid driver's license that proves you are a resident in the state in which you are buying.
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@salvi316 38 out of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales as of 2020. Thats 75% of the country.
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No, because Christians are the vast majority of the US population.
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@GhostNameless Maybe they just have other projects in the works. Its not like the Bible is any better than the Qu'ran.
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@GhostNameless No, its the book. Because it has to come from the source material
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I hope you know that those "local adoption connection centers" will not pay for anything. Private adoption is a legal procedure that requires money, which most women don't have. Thats why they give their child to the state. Most adopting couples will NOT foot the bills on your expenses. They may help where they can, but you will be left with the bulk of it. This is simply not realistic. You happened to get lucky.
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And unless you understand what its like to be unloved, abused and neglected by a parent who can't raise you, no one expects you to get it. Its not narcissistic to think about what is best for a child. Death is certainly not the worse thing.
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Correlation does not equal causation.
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Thats not a right you are entitled to, unlike the right to bodily autonomy. While I agree double standards certainly exist, you pay child support because you are not there for the child physically. You provide nothing else for it. This goes for men and women.
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@Eastmaniac The man doesn't have that right because his body is not being used by the developing fetus. They don't usually pay if they give the child up for adoption through the state. Private adoptions require a laywer and while sometimes the adoption family will pay, this is not always the case. Should she choose to keep the child, yeah. You will have to take responsibility, just as she would if the courts awarded a man custody. You're not ready to be a father? Don't sleep with someone you aren't committed to.
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@Eastmaniac Because one case involves rights where the other one does not. By the way, how about cases where the court hands the child to father and the mother pays child support?
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@scottp7256 You realize he lost his medical license for misinformation spread about vaccines yes?
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@scottp7256 Actually he did. His license was suspended on July 28, 2018 for providing false information to parents. I do think people should be informed and make informed decisions. I do think vaccines can have harmful side effects. But to denounce them completely because of that and advocate that no one get vaccinated (which many anti-vaxxers do) is repulsive.
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@lastinglife4357 Show me a fetus that can exist without a woman's uterus.
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@chavezharding7820 You dont need to redefine it. Words have both an established and a colloquial definition. It is a parasite, as it fits the definition of a parasite. However, it is not a parasite in a colloquial sense. No it doesn't.
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@chavezharding7820 It isnt unlike anything else, and you would know that if you took a genetics class. They're all different, but are still similar. Your DNA would still match your parents and siblings. Having a few differences doesn't make it unique. Once again, you are using the colloquial definition of unique.
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No they don't. You cannot feel pain or have emotions with a nervous system and a brain stem. They are, however, alive, and react to outside stimuli in certain ways.
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Yes. Yes there are. Take a biology/anatomy/psychology class.
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No he's not actually. An atheist is a person who lacks a belief in a God or Gods. Has nothing to do with claiming there is no God or believeing in the supernatural.
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@flaminghell9572 A lack of belief is not a religion
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I don't believe you when you say you followed nutritional guidelines, but lets say you did. B12 can be easily fortified in soy, rice and almond milks. You screwed up, not your diet. That being said, everyone is different. Meat and dairy destroyed my digestive system. But not all meat-eaters are like me. I know 0 crippled vegans (besides myself). Find your own diet.
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1) False 2) False 3) False 4) False What do I win?
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There is no inherent sanctity in human life vs animal life. Humans are animals. It just depends on your own beliefs, but that is not objective.
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@joshuasussman4020 A human being also has the power to cause mass destruction and catastrophic damage and violence to both human and animal alike. That argument runs both ways. And that doesn't mean human life is sanctimonious. That is simply your view.
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@aheartonfire7191 People with religious beliefs haven't always been loving and forgiving. The same Bible you get your secularism from spawned things like the Crusades, the Witch Trials and the Civil War. Thousands of people have been slaughtered because of your religion, and its honestly sad if you need a book full of immoral disgusting things to love and forgive others. You dont need a man that may have never done the things you claim he did to love people. That being the "true heart of Christianity" depends entirely on what sect you belong to.
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Vegetarians abstain only from meat. Vegans abstain from all animal products, including animal milk, eggs, honey and clothing made of wool, silk or leather.
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@distilledwater8871 Because they are different. As to behind the names, you'll have to look that one up.
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Dear person who flunked biology, Plants cannot feel pain as they have no brain nor nervous systems.
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@kingorange7739 Being dishonest again are we? You against euthanasia as well? How much do you like seeing people suffer?
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@kingorange7739 You have to be against it in all circumstances, or you aren't pro-life. Just like you are with abortion. You think death is the worst possible outcome, so you'd rather see people take their own life after suffering, then have it taken for them when they aren't sentient.
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@potatopotatobuy239 That is your personal opinion. Nothing justifies forced birth in my opinion.
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@potatopotatobuy239 It most certainly is. Forcing someone who becomes pregnant to give birth is the very definition of "forced birth."
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@potatopotatobuy239 You are terminating the development of a non sentient fetus. That fetus is not a person. I do not believe human life has inherent value, and while you may think its wrong, I think its a lesser of two evils. And its a constitutional right.
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@potatopotatobuy239 A fetus isn't a person by definition until it achieves sentience, which is after the time of most abortions. Being human or having human DNA has nothing to do with personhood. Personhood is a philosophical concept, not a biological one. The "right to life" is something granted by a government. A) This right cannot infringe on other rights and B) a fetus has no legal rights.
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Confidence. We have confidence that the sun will rise because we've seen and measured it consistently. That is not the same as "faith" in a religious context.
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Tracy Ziaraba Agnosticism is not a branch of atheism. It's a knowledge claim usually based on the existence of a God. There are agnostic theists, those who do not know whether or not a god is real, but believe in one. I'm an agnostic atheist. I do not believe in a God, but do not deny the possibility of one existing. An anti theist (or a gnostic atheist) is the opposite of a theist. You are confusing an atheist, which is a belief, with an anti theist, which is a knowledge claim. These are not the same thing.
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Tracy Ziaraba You are wrong. If you don't believe in God, but don't know whether or not one exists, you're an agnostic atheist. If you don't know whether or not a God exists, but you believe in one, you are an agnostic theist. If you claim to know as fact one way or another, you are a gnostic theist or a gnostic atheist. Also called a deist and an anti theist.
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Tracy Ziaraba Agnosticism is a knowledge claim. Atheism and theism is a belief claim. I believe you will find you can be both. You are confusing belief and knowledge. You can have a belief about something, but not a knowledge of something. For instance, I can't prove ghosts do not exist, but I believe in them. I don't hold a claim of knowledge, but I do have a belief. Yes you're right. A theist believes and an atheist does not. An agnostic says "I don't know". https://www.thoughtco.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040 Read this. It might help.
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Tracy Ziaraba A deist is someone who claims to know there is a God, as opposed to just believing in one.
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Tracy Ziaraba You won't learn these things in philosophy. You need to take a theology class. Speaking of Google, just Google "agnostic atheiest" since you can literally Google these things.
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Tracy Ziaraba You can be a Christian and not know whether a God exists. You believe in the virgin birth? The crucifixion? The resurrection? Is Jesus your savior? Then you are a Christian. That doesn't mean you also can't be agnostic. Again, you confuse atheist with anti theist. There is no such thing as just "agnostic" You are an agnostic theist, and agnostic atheist, a gnostic theist or a gnostic atheist.
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@ryanbianchi3118 But you can't use that logic for abortion, because you have created a strawman. Abortion is not a crime. Abortion is a right. We have not deemed a abortion to be wrong as a society. Although I do agree it is a weak argument.
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@ryanbianchi3118 Morality is an entirely subjective concept, so to claim as a collective that abortion is wrong is a false narrative. No, slavery wasn't moral. Because is was a violation of inherent rights. Abortion is not. You're creating a strawman again. Abortion was never immoral, and thats partially why Roe vs Wade passed. Denying a person the right to abort is in violation of the constitution. You can't legislate morality. Because its subjective.
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Lizzie Allen its always been taboo and being illegal doesn't make something immoral. Morality is subjective.
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You make the assumption she paid for those tattoos. Maybe she got them when she had money and something changed. We don't know the whole story.
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@Skjoldolfr Not necessarily. Many states do not have gun registration. Mine doesn't, even when you buy it from a dealer. Most states in the U.S. do not require registration of guns and there is no Federal program to register guns. In fact under Federal law a national gun registry is illegal and eight states also have bans on any gun registry. Unless you knowingly sell it to someone who shouldn't have it, no. You don't go to jail. You need to actually look up the laws. I'm pro-gun, and when you make statements that are EASILY disproven, you make our side look weak.
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@Skjoldolfr Excuse me? I simply responded to what you claimed. You claimed firearms had to be registered, and when I told you were wrong, you call me manipulative? No. You're just uneducated about a subject. 38 out of 50 states require NOTHING but a valid driver's license to purchase a gun, outside of buying a gun from a dealer, which is how MOST guns are bought. And NO. The responsibility ONLY falls on the orignal owner if a) the gun was legally still in their possession and b) if the gun was sold illegally. Now, I agree that most anti-gun people have no education on guns. But apparent, so do pro-gunners. And my personal area? Yeah. That is is most states. In fact, its 75% of the country.
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We want to get rid of fundamental religion becauae it is evil and causes harm to others. I could care less whether or not you believed in God.
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Absolutely.
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@cynthiamcduffie-wright5580 Yes you can. Plenty of people are spiritual without believing in God.
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And while I agree with you, the gun show loophole refers to private sales at gunshows, which do not need a background check. But thats not a loophole so...
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@mols415 I'm well aware they believe in Jesus Christ, but you can't follow everything in the new testament either. Not only that, but the new testament doesn't free you from the old.
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@mols415 If its meant to be taken as literal gospel, then your God for sure doesn't exist since some of the Bible has been completely debunked.
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@naomi7495 Thats called the God of the gaps fallacy. Nature is evidence of a world where life can thrive, not that a Creator exists. Evoultion and natural selection both are not accidents and are natual processes that could explain the world. The difference between you and I is I'm fine admitting I don't have all the answers. You take anything that hasn't been explained and shove God into it
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@naomi7495 You cannot prove a God exists, yet claim that he does. That is dishonesty.
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You have one artery in your leg that would be a vital point called the femoral artery. However, it is located on the inner thigh and is almost impossible to hit from behind and/or a moving target.
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@edelweiss6768 Then its a good thing it isn't murder.
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Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief, unless you are speaking philosophically. Colloquially, any honest person is agnostic.
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@evepruden8922 No, I mean an honest person. Agnosticism is a fancy way of saying "I don't know". Claiming to know the unknowable makes you a liar. Yeah, you're an agnostic atheist. Like most people.
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Snow Ball No, it's just you. I've seen people of all religions and atheists that are very happy. I've also seen some pretty miserable ones. In fact, I know more non religious and atheistic loving/joyful/happy people than religious ones.
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Can I ask you an honest question? What kind of good savior would damn you to an eternity of torment for a finite crime? How is that, in any way, loving or just?
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@zzzrrv I did understand it. I offered you on a perspective on maybe why your skepticism is there. But God still allows that to happen. He is omnipotent after all. What does it say about a God that does not allow people on heaven simply because they didn't bend to his will? That sounds petty. Loyalty but forcing you to bend to a whim sounds like something a dictator would do. That does not sound the least bit loving to me.
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@zzzrrv Ha. Your qualifications don't matter hon. Its not about finding an answer. Its just about understanding the perspective of someone who's ideology is different than yours.
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@zzzrrv Don't understand what you mean by that.
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@IssyFishyy If there is Sin, which is simply an affront to God, you could punish people with a finite punishment. But you really sound petty getting mad because people don't do what you say, especially when you can't give evidence of your existence.
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@zzzrrv You actually don't have to be a total asshole. If you claimed to be a Christian, I assumed you believed in the Bible. I asked you the question because I don't personally, as an atheist, understand how you can comingle the God of the Bible with the word "love", so I asked you about what you thought. That was it.
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@zzzrrv I asked you because in your first comment, you never even called yourself agnostic. You called yourself a Christian, and I simply like learning about how people's beliefs and ideologies work. Then YOU turned into a total ass when I was trying to be nice, even praising you that I didn't care about a "real answer". That I just wanted to know how you felt. Excuse me for being polite to you.
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@zzzrrv Alright, thats not issue. I'm sorry if that came off as disrespectful. Where I'm from, I'm used to calling people hon. It was never meant in disrespectful way. You cannot simultaneously not believe in God and believe in God. Agnosticism only applies to the knowledge of God. Anyone who is honest is agnostic. It tells me nothing about your beliefs. No one is born a Christian. You were born an atheist. You may have been raised in Christianity depending on your environment, but you were not born that way. If you chose not to believe in a supernatural being, you would be an atheist by default.
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@zzzrrv Agnostic is any person who says that God is unknowable. Someone who says "I don't know if God is real". Basically, anyone who's honest. That is unless we're arguing philosophically. Agnosticism is a stance of knowledge. Atheism and thiesm is a stance of belief
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Thats not the issue. The issue, morally, is the hierarchy we give animals and the fact that animals are sentient creatures capable of feeling emotions and pain.
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@design7054 Where exactly did they advocate for killing children outside the womb?
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IssyFishyy Since sentience defines personhood, it is very relevant.
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@edelweiss6768 Personhood is a philosophical concept based on sentience. You can absolutely be member of a species and not be part of the collective concept. Most have a belief that rapists are humans, but they are not people. You comparing the Nazi's to abortion is just laughable. The major wedge between us is simply value.
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@coeuradorateur Not up to you.
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I would say 12 weeks is the cutoff. 1st trimester. Luckily, a majority of abortions are before that.
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Yes you can. At least in 75% of the country you can. Its a common occurance in many states.
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The rarity of finding a person who depends on meat for health is astronomically low. And, as a vegan, I know exactly what their answer would have been. There is no such thing as "ethical meat sources".
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@judeugwu4987 Those may be facts about his religion, but not about reality.
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@judeugwu4987 I would argue Christianity prevents people from using intellect.
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@judeugwu4987 Because facts require evidence, which religion at this point does not have. We can talk about facts when your God can be proven
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@judeugwu4987 There is no evidence of a designer. No, me being here is evidence that my parents had sex. I can explain everything I see through natural processes. I don't accept your God because there is no evidence for it.
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Probably because you have no idea what it's like to be in the foster care system, to be abandoned, or to not have anything. There are plenty of children out here who every day say "I wish I had never been born".
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No psychiatrist will tell you no pedophiles can be rehabilitated, because that simply isn't true. Many actually can and some have. The death penalty offers no benefit to society and should be abolished.
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Why is the line at life and not sentience? Since when does anyone care about the concept of life? Oh and no. Its not that simple.
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@fluchtigziege3202 Keep repeating yourself. You're still wrong.
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Lol no its not. Murder is a legal term. Educate yourself.
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@Clarefalco Yes, it does. Because murder has an established definition. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you don't agree with it. By your logic, war and capital punishment would also be murder.
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@Clarefalco And actually, I apologize. It should have read "murder is a legal term" not "abortion is a legal term".
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JamesHLanier The ability to opt out of your parental duties is not a right. You have an obligation just as she does.
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JamesHLanier Yes, which also seperates the father from that parental right as well. But that is a legal process that requires money, if you do a private adoption, which she still must pay for. I wasn't saying a man should be excluded from whatever decision is made. But if she chooses to keep the child, and the man chooses not to stay and help, then it isn't his right to abandon his child if he doesn't want it. Sign away your parental rights if you really don't want to pay child support.
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@He loves you! Except its not murder as murder is STRICTLY a legal term. I believe the word you're looking for is killing.
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@He loves you! You added the word "unjust". No where is that in the definition. By the way, you do realize the Bible promotes AND condones abortion? I suggest reading it. Your God is certainly NOT against abortion.
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Yeah, because there's not already a systemic problem with the 44,000 children we have in the system...oh and by the way, adoption isn't always an option.
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So basically, you're a hypocrite that thinks only some people deserve rights.
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Hypocrisy at its finest
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@adamdfc9809 The fact that you are okay with abortion in some cases, but not others, is the very definition of hypocrisy. Only sentient organisms have a right to life.
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No it wouldn't. Your homicide rate has tripled, and you outrank some of our most populated states for homicide. Most of our "gun violence" is suicide.
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Those people are the minority. They're psycho/sociopathic. That doesn't mean we should put them to death.
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Being vegan and pro-choice have nothing to do with each other. I'm pro-choice and vegan (although not an ethical vegan)
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No, she shouldn't. Not unless it is found that the actual cause of her swollen lymph nods and rash were the actual vaccine. By the way, the flu vaccine isn't mandatory. She chose to get it. Hell, no vaccines are mandatory. You just don't have access to certain jobs or places without them.
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Because they must. Humans choose to eat meat evn though they don't need to.
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Thats because he tempered his language because his license had been suspended.
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You can. But you should also not be allowed certain privileges and should be held criminal and financially responsible for anything that happens.
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@3fa274 Public schooling is one. Your child should not be allowed to publically attend events and schools where they harm other people
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@3fa274 It is your right. But actively putting other people in danger is not your right. If you want to participate, you have to play by the rules.
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That seems like a very slippery slope and an easy way to discriminate. Just because someone has mental illness doesn't mean their incapable of owning a firearm.
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@wangzai3746 I wrote a whole comment to you that you haven't answered.
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@wangzai3746 You never wrote anything back to original post.
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@wangzai3746 I unfortunately don't see a comment from you. The only comment from you was your original comment.
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So suddenly falling in love with multiple people who also want to be in a relationship with you is gross? How is that any different than saying two consenting adults of the same sex is gross? Its not a sexuality. Its a sexual/romantic preference.
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@Mdobehere Sure.
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@Mdobehere haha. I've always no more than two. How long have you been an asshole to those who want to be happy?
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@Mdobehere That's nice. Glad to know we have even more douchebags in the world. Congrats on the bigotry.
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@Mdobehere Oh yeah I'm fine. Listen, if your girlfriend invited someone into the relationship without your consent, thats not a polycule. That's cheating, and it is toxic. You should not ever, monogamous or polyamorous, stay in a relationship that you are not happy in.
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@isabellaevans8351 Nothing wrong with that! Not to me at least! Keep doing you.
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Justin Green And I think that's too late, but as I said, the average for an abortion is 6 to 9 weeks. Not even your first trimester. Outlaw all abortion and you'll only raise child abuse rates and the deaths of the mother's.
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Mathilde Young I'm for banning abortions from 12 weeks on when the heart beats separately from the mother and the nervous system begins to develop the nerve receptors. No, that is not my argument. My argument that when a life form has sentience, it deserves to be protected.
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Justin Green So you're a hypocrite. Good to know. How do you know some don't? Just because the law allows you in some states to have an abortion up to 26 weeks doesn't mean it even happens.
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Justin Green Because you claim to be against abortion, then say it's fine if the woman's life is in danger. That makes you a hypocrite. You are angry at someone for something you would support in another situation. That wasn't an insult by the way. Everyone's a hypocrite.
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Justin Green Not all the times if the mother dies the fetus would die. So yes you are. Not that there's inherently anything wrong with that. I bet you anything that you have criticized someone at some point for doing something you later did yourself or changed your view on. Opinions based on facts are still opinions. Facts can later be proven wrong. For instance, I'm anti death penalty. Facts support my argument. That doesn't mean people don't put a moral spin on it, which is the problem with the abortion debate. If it was strictly based on facts, you would be pro choice. But it isn't. It's also based on your own sense of morality.
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Justin Green No, the root cause is poverty, mental illness and physical stress. I agree with people doing everything to protect themselves. But that isn't an option for some people. It's not a feminist view to support a woman's right to have an abortion. It's simply a view people have because having a child you can't handle has serious consequences. Emotionally, physically and financially.
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Justin Green So what about people who can't take birth control? They should just deny their human nature? That isn't healthy, and forcing abstinence leads to some pretty fucked up mentality. By the way, doctors won't tie your tubes or give you a vasectomy before a certain age. My stepsister has lupus and her pregnancies are extremely difficult. No doctor will tie her tubes because she's too young.
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Justin Green All forms of birth control are essentially the same ingredients. Someone like myself cannot take any form of birth control. Forcing people to remain abstinent is what makes people sexually abuse others.
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You do realize that the death penalty puts a larger cost on the taxpayer and makes the prison system harder...right?
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Most people do not find out their even pregnant until after a heartbeat. And what you're actually hearing is a fluttering in the chest. The heart hasn't even developed. Hell, what your really detecting is the placenta exchanging blood. You won't hear it with a stethoscope. Do you honestly call that a heartbeat? Also, shouldn't the value be put on brain activity? You yourself don't seem to understand development
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@jakiyranmcarthur4149 Most women do not find out their pregnant until they're between 8 and 10 weeks along. And no. The first "heatbeat" can be detected as early as 21 days.
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@jakiyranmcarthur4149 Actually no. Its mostly dected around 12 weeks, as that is usually when most women have their first ultrasound.
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@jakiyranmcarthur4149 And? That heartbeat is not a caridac organ. It is a flutter made by blood moving between the placenta and the fetus in the development stages of the cardiac muscle. The heart begins to form around 18 days in. I place no value on the heart. I place the value where it should be. The brain.
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Having strict rules on guns does not prevent gun violence, nor does it prevent violence in general. The US is safe, and if you really believe it isn't, then you are delusional. While mass shootings may have increased in decades, they are still not a common event. Anti-gun will only ensure that evil people can get them.
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@RedOneM Most of those deaths are suicides. Having access to guns actually lowers gun violence. Quit comparing us to other countries with a different population and culture. There is no gun issue here.
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The moral aspect doesn't come from life. It comes from sentience.
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I was with you up until you claimed that children need mear to grow properly. That is just a lie. However, you should take care of yourself and eat in moderation, whatever it is. And no one should be shamed for what they eat.
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It can be. Just like a vegan diet. Find what works for you
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Probably because the several anti-vaccine medical professionals I can think of, including the pediatrician shown here, lost their medical license to practice for endangerment.
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Its only a crime if they're an FFL dealer or they're selling in a state that restricts private sales. Perhaps get your facts straight.
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@michaeljolley9118 I've bought 3. Never had a background check because my sales were private.
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@michaeljolley9118 Indiana.
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@larssrensen4353 That is absolute nonsense. Organic food exists. Please cite these studies.
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It's called a fetus until its born. We colloquially call it a baby. That's just a medical and scientific fact.
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@katie323 I'm sorry that you arent very scientific or factually accurate about abortion and believe only what people tell you instead of studying and interviewing people where this is their job. Ask any scientist or medical pr. Technically, not colloquially, it is a fetus until birth. A fetus is an in utero offspring of a mammal. I suggest you take a college biology or a&p course, assuming you're old enough.
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It's not murder. Murder by definition is unlawful. Killing and murder are not always interchangeable. It's not a child. It's a fetus who in most abortions doesn't have rights because it isnt sentient. Adoption isnt always an option. It isnt free to give a child up for adoption, and the system is broken. Agencies turn away children now, because they lack the room and funds necessary to care for them. Abortion should be a last resort. But there's a reason it's in place.
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Depends on where you live. Where I live, vegan foods such as fruits, vegetables and lentils are cheaper than meat. Also, if vegan foods were in higher demand, the orice would drop.
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Thats because you have absolutely no clue why mass shootings happen. If more good and honest people had guns, that wouldn't happen. If students are teachers were allowed to carry at school, a shooter would be taken care of long before they became a threat. The safest states and countries with the lowest crime rate allow guns.
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@ratofvengence Thats not because of guns. Its because we have the most diverse cultures and the largest population. So of course the homicide rate will be higher. That being said, its been in the decline for the last 3 years.
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Kay Grace Yet Christians also believe that God is omnipotent, which slaps free will in the face. You can't have both
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Kay Grace I think you need to go back to your dictionary. Omnipotent means all knowing and able to do anything, which many Christians believe.
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Kay Grace If he has the ability to do anything and is all knowing, which is what omnipotent means, then he knows every action you will make from birth to death. That's not free will. He may not control you, but he already knows what choice you will make. He cannot be both. Either he isn't all knowing, or you don't have free will.
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Vegans do NOT need supplements. No vegan I know, myself included, take supplements. If you are forced to take supplements, you are not doing the vegan diet correctly or the vegan diet is not right for you. Quit spreading the lie that ALL vegans MUST take supplements. There is nothing (other than B12) found in meat that cannot be gotten in vegan foods.
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@CosmicGamingPlays You can get B12 in fortified almond, soy, and rice milks. No supplements necessary. You saying it NEEDS supplementation is a lie. Also, no it doesn't take a lot of work to maintain a protein level. Lentils are higher in protein than beef. Again, you don't need supplemental protein. You know nothing about a vegan diet.
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@CosmicGamingPlays For the most part, yes you can. They aren't difficult. People just don't want to give up things they like. Vegans in general, are healthier. But there are no hard and fast rules. Also, lions have a nutritional need for meat. Humans do not. You also have higher cognitive function than a lion. Also no. Humans are not the top of the food chain. On the ethics point, it has to do more with hypocrisy.
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@CosmicGamingPlays Not true. Being vegan is super easy, especially in more developed nations. I know more omnivorous people that plan diets than vegans. Most food does not contain animal products. Honey, meat, eggs and animal dairy products are the only foods you avoid as a vegan. I understand that vegans are not automatically healthier. Just in gerenal, they are. Again, no. You don't need fortification, nor do humans have a nutritional need for meat. You eat it because you want to, and I can list serveral health reasons to not eat meat dairy and eggs. Most people actually don't digest meat properly. The intestines are no longer designed for that. Thats why meat raises the risk of colorectal and intestinal cancer. I'm of the opinion that you should find a diet right for you. But do not spread misinformation.
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@CosmicGamingPlays No. I disagree. Broccoli is an excellent vegan sorce of calcium and chickpeas contain more iron that most red meat. So the fact that you claim it is difficult to find foods high in the minerals that are vegan is just straight up untrue. Actually, all meat increases your risk of certain cancers, high blood pressure and cardiovascular problems, because meat contains a lot of the bad things that vegan foods have in smaller quantities. Vegans in general are healthier. They aren't as prone to heart disease (the number 1 cause of death in America) nor other serious problems like cancer, diabetes or blood issues. All of that said, you can be perfectly healthy as either or. Find a diet that suits you and your body.
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Welcome back to the dark ages, where everyone got revenge on everyone else and we spent our time slaughtering each other.
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Yeah no. Being in a relationship with multiple people is not akin to sleeping around with everyone.
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@stormanimations5422 I think me, being polyamorous and asexual, of all people should know.
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@stormanimations5422 It is in our nature. We just grew up in an age where we were taught that being with multiple people is abnormal. Sorry that you can't respect another person being happy. That actually points to something being wrong with you, not me.
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Abortion is wrong in your subjective opinion. The fetus does not have it's own body. It is parasitising its mother in order to develop it's own body. Very rarely can you hear a childs heartbeat that early. And even then, it is not the fetus controlling that heartbeat, but the mother. The brain does not form until 16 weeks in. You know absolutely nothing about anatomy. Who cares if its human? Why are humans on a pedestal? You should make smart decisions, but not everyone does.
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@onbjoe9226 Brain tissue doesn't even form until 12 weeks, because the brain forms from the brainstem out. Again, if you can hear a heartbeat at 22 days, the fetus isnt the one responsible for that. What you are hearing is the blood passing from mother to fetus in formation of what will become the cardiovascular system. Not everyone who has sex and gets pregnant did it without taking precautions. Several women I know got pregnant even when their boyfriends/husband had a condom AND they were on birth control. It is their right. It is called bodily autonomy. Abortion is not murder. And a fetus cannot be equated with a sentient child.
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@onbjoe9226 Nice talking with you as well. Its perfectly fine to disagree. I hope to one day live in a world where there is no abortion.
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No, not usually. Depends on the particular individual.
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Why do you always have to lump in vegans? We're not crazy. I just am healthier beging vegan :<
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No, vegans are against wild game as well. One, its risky health wise. And two, its against most vegans morals.
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Unless you know...its a private sale. Then its pretty easy.
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There is no such thing as absolute proof. You can prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but its never 100%.
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@travisjohnson7065 So...when a doctor tells you if you don't have an abortion, your probability of dying is greater than 90%, what then? Or does that not happen in your view of reality?
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@travisjohnson7065 I doubt its as high as the original commenter proposed, but you act as if that probabilty doesn't exist at all. And that is, frankly, delusional. Congratulations that you were just fine. Do you know why you were just fine? Because your delivery was normal. You weren't breech. You didn't rupture your amniotic sac or placenta. You were not ectopic. You were full term. You were a single baby. Your mother had no pregnancy complications. Do you see why your view may be a little skewed based on your anecdote? If one of these not at all rare things would have happened, you and your mother WOULD NOT have been fine. It doesn't matter the difference.
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@Rakshupakshu23 Depending on how you define intelligence, there are animals who are FAR more intelligent than humans. We simply lucked out on the fusion of chromosome 2, which is why we have such large pre frontal cortexes Animals understand emotion justas humans do. .
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@Dwayne James I am well aware of what they were saying. My point was that simplifying it down like that is a slippery slope, because if "animals just eat other animals" then why can't humans eat other humans? Why are certain species not allowed to be killed for food in the western world?
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@thatoneguy9666 That is absolutely not true.
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@thatoneguy9666 That is called a prion disease. The only way to get that is to consume, usually the brain, of an infected human or animal. There have been many documented cases of cannibalism.
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She's also an atheist. Everyone should be agnostic. Its a useless term that means "I don't know". Atheism refers to a belief, not knowledge. Agnostic atheism is the position most atheists have. "I don't know whether a God exists, but I do not believe in one due to a lack of evidence" is the stance of an agnostic atheist. There is no such thing as "just agnostic".
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They are self aware and are not stunned painlessly. You can damage the meat that way. And actually, yes you are. Animals are intelligent. Tell me something. Why is it a federal crime to shoot a dog? Why is one considered agriculture while another is considered abuse?
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You could also look at it the other way. Look at how man Jeffery Dahmers, Ted Bundys, and John Wayne Gacys may have been in that bunch. Not having sex doesn't work. That's unnatural for the human body. Contraception should of course be used if it can be, as some women can't take it. But it can fail. It seems unjust to me to force a child to grow up in a statically abusive and dysfunctional household instead of terminating it when it is incapable of feeling.
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Not so much a lie as it is grossly misunderstood. You absolutely can go into a gun show and buy a gun without a background check, as long as the sale is private and your state puts no restrictions on private sales.
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Thats true of extremists. Not in general.
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All three of my guns were purchased at shows. I have never had a background check. It isn't a myth. Its bad nomenclature. It just refers to private sales at shows.
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@matt1325 I think it goes without saying that personhood only applies to the homo sapian species
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@matt1325 No. Its just language.
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@matt1325 No, I entirely disagree. I would not consider someone who is not human a person, nor do I think "personhood" is relevant in the abortion debate. I only bring up personhood to those who call fetuses "beings" because they aren't. Criteria for me is just sentience. Has nothing to do with personhood. Personhood in humans is just defined by sentience. That's where I believe the line should be drawn.
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No, reading the Bible in context makes many people atheists. Because your God is a despicable monster.
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@liarose2054 The words? If taken literally, your God is an abhorrent monster. Thats what makes many of us atheists, is actually reading what the supposed word of God is
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@liarose2054 And thats just your interpretation. You cannot give characteristics to a being who cannot be proven to exist.
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Yes. Because everyone who has ever gotten pregnant has not been on birth control. You're just a hypocrit.
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You're no more likely to develop an STD in a polyamorous relationship (which are overwhelmingly closed relationships) than you are being in monogamous relationships.
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Raquel Castillo so...spouting Bullshit makes you real?
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Raquel Castillo You cannot prove there is a God, therefore it is not truth. It is a belief. So the Bible, which promotes genocide, says infanticide is fine, kills women for being raped, and condones slavery is God's word? If that's true, than this God is a tyrannical monster. Why risk it? What if the God of the Bible is the wrong God? Then your still screwed. There's no reason to believe in religion so why bother? But hey, you do you.
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They're not just like a gun shop. The regulations around gun shows are entirely dependent on where you live. Private sellers often sell at shows (at least where I'm from) and do not need background checks.
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Pro life is about telling women what they can and can't do with their bodies and taking away the rights of dying people. It is a life, but it is an okay thing to do when you are in a position in which you feel you cannot gove proper care to your child. Abortion is taking responsibility, whether you agree with it or not. Sex is more than reproduction.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 That still makes her a hypocrite. She advocates against the very thing she had access too. There's nothing wrong with changing your views. But to actively try to prohibit what you yourself participated in (not once but twice) based only on your experience is hypocritical and vile.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Debates should never be about morality. Morality is subjective. If you're arguing from strictly a moral standpoint, thats simply an argument from emotion. You cannot claim that abortion is immoral. Thats an opinion. So to advocate against something and to strip away the right you yourself partook in is hypocritical. The difference between drugs an abortion is one actively causes harm to sentient individuals. There is no victim in abortion any more than there is a victim in drugs (with the obvious exception of rape or forced drug use). That is an active decision one makes. Humans are not inherently valuable. Period. You may think they are, and thats your right to believe. Many women who go through abortions do not suffer. I maintain, as someone that had an abortion, that I did the right thing. Whether or not you agree with me is your opinion. You need to face the reality that not everyone feels the way you do.
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You should never be in any relationship, monogamous or polyamorous, if you're seeking it for them to "complete" you. That's actually toxic. You should want a partner(s) because you love them and their company, not to fill some void. You should be complete whether or not you're with someone
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@kingsleyokani1407 No it doesn't. Being able to find happiness without someone is actually a very healthy and positive trait to have. I love the people I'm with, but if they weren't with me anymore, I could go on without them. No, I don't think when you love someone they become a part of you. That makes you controlling over them in my personal experience. They'll always hold a special place in your heart. No? I would feel sad and hurt. But I wouldn't feel incomplete or lost. I would just move on with my life.
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No, that is the minority. Sorry you ran into an anti-theist.
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Thats...just fact. We aren't at the top of the food chain.
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Because he was intentionally twisting what she was saying. He was being dishonest.
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Oh yeah. Because thats ALWAYS an option right? No, didn't think so. Its not available everywhere because of crowding, nor is it free.
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So is setting a child up for failure. Except in that case, the child is sentient and can feel and experience everything.
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@MrAnonymous1515 The last thing I am is spoiled. Do you understand how damaging an unsafe environment is for a child? How about all those children that ended up dead anyways because their parents abused them? Try actually going to a detention center and hearing children scream that they wish they had been aborted because their future has now been ripped away from them. Death is certainly not the worst thing.
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@ratofvengence Any source I provided for you would not be seen as sufficent. I have played this game many times. If you would like resources, they are out there. While our homicide rate has risen in the past year, it is no where near 30%. I'm not saying there isn't problems, but banning firearms will not fix it.
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Your tax dollars do not fund abortions. That is against the law. It is a bundle of cells. All organic matter is a bundle of cells. Since when did we care about life? Guess what? You don't control where your tax dollars go. Move out if you don't like it. I don't support capital punishment, but my tax dollars pay for it. No, its not your right.
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@ragingharlot13 Planned Parenthood does more than abortions. Just because your tax dollars fund Planned Parenthood doesn't mean they fund abortions. The Hyde Amendment exists. They're terminating the growth and development of a fetus, and I couldn't care less. That is strictly up to the mother. The only misinformed one here is you. To set a child up for failure is despicable.
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You can also be in love with more than one person, have sex with more than one person, and build a family with more than one person. Polyamory is valid.
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Ashley Cesard Please go back to school.
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Ashley Cesard Yes and no. You could argue everyone needs an abortion because pregnancy does nothing beneficial for the mother. You could also argue pregnancy is the greatest gift. That's why there's choice.
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Ashley Cesard A fetus is not a baby. Medically or scientifically.
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Ashley Cesard And? Why does that matter? It doesn't. I think abortion should be the last resort, but I can understand why someone women choose to have one.
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Unintelligent Individual Because it doesn't meet the medical or scientific definitons for one. It's non sentient at the time of most abortions, and while technically it's not a baby until it's born, I don't believe in late term abortions.
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Unintelligent Individual If you honestly believe that, then i suggest going back and taking a high school biology course, because you clearly flunked it. Sentience is not irrevelevant. It's the whole reason we debate over topics like this. If something is not sentient and not beneficial to you, and you don't feel responsible enough to take care of it, then you should be allowed to make trust choice, even if we wished it didn't happen. No one is pro abortion. No one wants to see a woman get an abortion.
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Unintelligent Individual Morality is something that is subjective. It's not an argument to debate upon. Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. A fetus, until a certain point, is unable to do this because it lacks a brainstem. Anyone who would argue the fetus isn't living is wrong. Because no one is. No one wants to see women abort children. But people who are pro choice understand why abortion happens and why someone would make that choice. Pro life people seem to struggle with this. You have a right to be pro life, and I understand why you would be. But you sometimes have to look at it from another perspective.
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Unintelligent Individual No, not if it's temporary. However, there's usually a difference between a comatose and lacking a brainstem entirely. If anyone, regardless of age, is brain damaged or dead to the point that they won't wake up and aren't capable of sentience, I don't find anything morally wrong with letting them pass. To me, that is not living. Your what if is a far shot case, and in those circumstances I would leave it up to doctors and parents. I would say if it was only a year, then allow them the time to try and recover.
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Ashley Cesard I never said the fetus isn't alive. It is. That's not the point.
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Ashley Cesard So what? Why not try thinking why a person chooses to have an abortion, instead if being from the viewpoint "eh they just don't want to take care of it"
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Ashley Cesard Except no one does that. They say "I'm not capable of taking care of it." There's a very big difference.
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Ashley Cesard Show me the evidence for people like that. Adoption rates have been in decline for over a decade. I'm fine with adoption, but agencies have been turning away children because they lack the space.
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Ashley Cesard Then they should go out and adopt the children that are there now, not hound people who have an abortion.
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@OMGUKILLKENNY2 While I can understand your argument, the reason that habitat is limited is because of farming. If humans stopped domesticating animals, you would have no reason for hunting. You know, other than fun. But we won't so...
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@ruffgook or you could just be honest and say abortion is never murder because it doesn't fit the definition.
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@ruffgook No. No its not. For once, stop lying and actually look up the definition of murder.
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@ruffgook Maybe you should. But since you're too lazy, I'll do it for you. Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. I'm not pro-abortion. I am pro-choice. I think a person should be able to choose what they want.
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@ruffgook I am proud to call people out on their lies. Hopefully it helps sway some minds. I don't care if you're pro-life, but at least be honest about it. No, I'm not pro-abortion. Never will be.
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@ruffgook Its a lie that abortion is murder. That's all. Yes, I disagree with your view, but it is your view to have, and I take no issue with that. I see your side. You don't see mine. I don't think your view is a lie. Just abortion being murder is a lie, and that is something that I have demonstrated. You're the one who claims moral highground. Not me. Nope, still not pro abortion. Pro-choice.
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@ruffgook Yes it is. I once again, gave you the definition of murder. Murder is a legal term. Killing? Sure. Murder? No. My view is pro-choice. If you continue to call abortion murder, then you are, in fact, lying. Because its not. I am for a woman's right to choose to have an abortion. Pro-abortion would imply that I believe every pregnant person should have an abortion. And I don't. You can also be anti-abortion and pro-choice.
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Yes you can. Just depends on where and who you buy it from. Not everyone who sells at shows have an FFL license.
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@brennananderson6659 That's not illegal. It's not illegal to sell at shows without a license. And no. I'm very pro gun
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We already know abstinence only doesn't work.
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@evanscott9473 And once again, that's not what murder means. Don't you people get tired of lying...? Also, please show me a fetus that develops that "body" right away and without the use of the mother. Oh wait...
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No. No he wasn't.
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That's not true in all cases. Background checks are not mandatory if your buying the gun from a private seller.
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@forrestsmoke1354 I have. And while many gun shows DO perform background checks, they are not mandatory. Federal law does not require a private seller to perform a background check.
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@forrestsmoke1354 That's also not true. Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, record the sale, or ask for identification, whether at a gun show or other venue. Not saying they don't or they shouldn't. But they aren't required to.
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@forrestsmoke1354 that I understand. And i doubt they would do that under the circumstance of it looking suspicious as hell.
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@JDKreborn Okay, so let me correct you on something. Yes, you are terminating a pregnancy. Yes, the fetus is human. However, you are not killing a baby. Baby is post-utero. Also, that still isn't what murder means
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@JDKreborn A fetus is human. Its not any definition of murder. And again, no one is killing a baby. Baby is post utero.
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@JDKreborn Okay, so?
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@JDKreborn No. No it isn't. You can continue to lie if you want, but that's all it is.
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Background checks are not always part of purchasing firearms at shows. It depends on who and where. None of my guns have had a background check because it wasn't mandatory.
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@jb664q Yes, I understand that. I just have an issue with people calling it a myth, because its not. Its just really bad nomenclature.
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Non dealers do sell at gun shows, and there is no background check required in a majority of states for private sales.
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Gender has nothing to do with biology. Gender is a social construct. Sex is biological.
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@Humanity Galatica No its not. Do you ever get tired of lying?
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@Humanity Galatica Something can be a subjective concept (like murder being right/wrong) and have an objective truth (abortion doesn't fit its definition). For instance: My subjective morality is secular humanism. According to secular humanism, rape is objectively wrong.
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@jameshewitt2083 Actually, it does. We have evidence of this. Has nothing to do with MSM.
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@Thekiko2501 That's not actually true. I'm not saying be afraid of it. Be alert, not anxious. But ot has caused scaring an abcesses on the lungs of those who get it.
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Unless its a private sale.
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IssyFishyy A gun show isn't off the streets though
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The issue isn't life. Its sentience
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@LeuBlue No they don't. You cannot have sentience if you have no brain.
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@LeuBlue They can't feel anything. They lack a brain and nervous system. But they are alive, and react to the outside stimuli around them.
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You can in Indiana. Took me 45 minutes to purchase 3 guns from a show.
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@dirtydann4127 Not true. Unless its an FFL dealer, the sale is considered private. There's no federal or state background check on private sales.
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You would have done very well in the dark ages. Most victims, myself included, are anti death penalty for a reason.
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Sorry that you all hate the truth. All organic matter is are clusters of cells. Except one has sentience where the other does not. You aren't special just because your human. Thats nonsense.
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You start of saying we need to look at facts, and immediately dive into feelings. For one, abortion isn't murder. This is a fact. Ever been to those places? Ever think that maybe those people would rather die then luve in the terrible conditions they do? That fetuses legal rights stop at the uterine wall. We can argue all day whether or not they should, but legally, they do. Again, you want to talk about facts, but bring up your Deity that has never been proven to exist. No one has inherent value. You're not special just because your born.
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@micahblessing6119 Of course. However, words have established definitions and killing doesn't equate to murder.
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@micahblessing6119 Yes, I do agree abortion is killing.
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@micahblessing6119 An abortion. By the way, its a fetus. Not a baby. Neither medically or scientifically is a baby until after birth.
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IssyFishyy If a God exists, then yes, you could argue he has the highest authority. That would still be subjective to that particular deity. The problem is you still haven't proven said deity.
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IssyFishyy Our existence isn't proof. All it proves is that we exist. It proves two people had sexual intercourse and birthed a child. Nothing more. You have made no argument. Because the "argument" that us existing proves God is false. Also, that's not what objectivity means. Even if a God exists, his moral code would still be subjective to himself. You could make an argument that they would be the higest level of subjectivity, or even a case that they are objective in the context of the human species. But the morals themselves would not be objective.
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IssyFishyy You are either deluded or a liar. You don't "know" God exists. You strongly believe in one. And I am super curious to know what your reaction would be if you found out you were wrong.
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The argument is about life vs sentience. By the way, you are pro-choice.
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You're aware that the Bible supports and sometimes calls for abortion, yes? Also, Catholics are the largest sect of Christianity.
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Gun shows don't require background checks in all cases.
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That's an argument from emotion fallacy and I don't want to pay more for them to be treated better on death row.
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Let me actually correct you. A person will only be charged with a double homicide if the woman is 5 months along or more, as 20 weeks is the cutoff date for most states. Most women who are murdered when they're pregnant? Their killer is charged with unlawful termination of a pregnancy. No, abortion isn't murder. Its not unlawful.
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One partner = possessive and manipulative.
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Depends on if the sale is private or a dealer.
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The animal is sentient. The fetus is not.
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Because sometimes death is better than a life of pain and suffering. You can't miss something you never had.
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@ethanm.2411 No, it isn't. Regardless, I think its up to the sentient mother to make an informed decision about what she thinks is best. Tell me, what is the difference between a child who dies to abusive parents and a child who was aborted? This happens every day. And this is why I think, for the time, abortion needs to be legal. I am all for exploring all other methods before settling on abortion.
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There are currently 46,000 children in the foster care system waiting to be adopted. Tell me why a parent can't adopt one of them. Because thats not what they want. God has never been proven to exist, and the Bible certainly is NOT against abortion.
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And where do 95% of those crops go? Animal/Livestock feed
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Thats not the problem though...
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Trinity Perez So were the Christians.
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Trinity Perez The only atheist that was being irritating was Nancy and that's because the old man was being a shitlord.
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Trinity Perez I'm not mad lol.
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I've been vegan for almost a decade and can personally say that a vegan diet is amazing. But, for me. If you struggled to find vitamins, you did your diet wrong. But thats you. Veganism as a diet isn't for everyone.
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Thats called confirmation bias. I love both my husband and my partner, and I'm sorry if you don't believe that.
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The aborted fetal tissue is the orginal from the 1960's and moat vaccines do not have them, nor do they contain poison.
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That only applies at a federal level it you are buying from an FFL dealer. Private sellers abide by their states laws, and 38 put no restrictions on sales. Private sales are under no legal obligation to perform a background check. Thats still a legal sale.
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@mattengelsman5214 No, you don't. Private sales happen at gun shows as well.
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To be fair, the definition of what a gun show is is kinda loose. Private sellers sell at shows all the time here, and don't require a background check. Still not a loophole.
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"I think your body and the fetus are two different things." You're wrong and you're right. In the literal sense, you're right. Its a seperate entity. But in every other context, you're wrong. That fetus uses a woman's organ. It biologically depends on a sentient being to survive, at the detriment of its mother. It does not get that right without express consent. You can't be both. You are either pro-life or pro-choice.
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Most of us would honestly not care.
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@merrickjacobson7313 And I'd respectfully decline.
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@janieswanson2549 Except I am. But go off I suppose. You always do.
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@janieswanson2549 And I figured you would have learned by now, dumbass, that this is not the established definition that vegans abide by. By this loose definition NO ONE is vegan. But you're blond, so I shouldn't expect much from your intelligence level.
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While it technically shouldn't be considered a loophole, since it isnt regulated federally, the thing she is referring to is the majority of states not requiring a background check unless you are purchasing from an FFL dealer, which most purveyors at gun shows are not.
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@swiggynutmcgee2186 Almost all guns purchased in my state are purchased privately. I speak only for myself.
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I know many followers of Christ who are absolutely absurd. Like you, for instance.
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@summertimesadnessdelrey8546 Umm no? They most certainly have conciousness. I believe the term you're looking for is a conscious. Those are two different things.
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@Bianca Torres Thats really sad and reflects very poorly on you.
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@cal1k So...you're a hypocrite.
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@cal1k Because you're fine with abortion in certain circumstances and not others. That's hypocritical
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No we're not. Science really doesn't care about your opinion. Having no animal that eats us in society doesn't make us the top of the food chain. Food chains are based on trophic levels. We needed meat back then. We don't now.
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For me, its much easier to be healthy as a vegan. I think it depends on your lifestyle and your locality.
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@Sporebreath2304 Flordia now requires background checks. However that is not the case for most states, unless you are buying from a FFL licensed provider.
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Most polyamorous relationships are not open.
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@Gay.Muhammad He already has that right. He can petition the court to terminate his parental rights, or he can file for custody. Also, no abortion is paid for by taxpayers. That is against the federal law.
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Depends on where and who you're buying from.
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@juswavvy9634 The death penalty does nothing beneficial.
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Hannah Vanduyn Hearing the pro birth people make me frustrated.
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Hannah Vanduyn Why does hear pro choice people make you frustrated?
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Hannah Vanduyn Hearing pro birth people makes me frustrated because they don't know the definiton of murder and don't give a shit what kind of situation a child is born into.
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Hannah Vanduyn Forcing a child to be born in an unhealthy and unstable environment, where adoption rates are low and agencies are broken and turn away children, is one of the most selfish things I've ever heard.
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Hannah Vanduyn The aborted fetus also never asked to be born and doesn't care if you abort it until a certain point. No, the UNLAWFUL killing of someone is murder. Abortion is not unlawful. Killing and murder are not interchangeable terms in all cases.
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Hannah Vanduyn Well that's you. Most people aren't like you. When you see the other side of the spectrum, you might have a different opinion.
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Except there's not. The year you outlawed guns, you're homicide rate tripled and was worse than that of the US. People who commit violence do not need a gun. They will use anything. Meanwhile, you are left with no way to defend yourself.
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Yes...fuck bodily autonomy!
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 @nickstojic6995 Child and baby are both after birth. You use the word child because it incites a reaction in order to guilt people. That's extremely dishonest.
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@nickstojic6995 I know many women who refer to their unborn as a fetus. Just because we coloquially call it a baby doesn't mean that's scientifically accurate. But in common language, who cares? Scientifically and medically, a baby and child is post utero, whereas a fetus is in utero. Just because you've never met one doesn't mean they don't exist.
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@nickstojic6995 If you want to use the term coloquially sure. But again, if we're speaking from the actual medical/biological one, no. That is not why I'm calling it dishonest. I'm calling people like YOU dishonest because YOU refer to a fetus as a child as a way to shame and guilt people who have abortions. You are being extremely disingenuous and its obvious. Calling it something "forever" doesn't make something factually accurate. I'm not trying to elicit a negative response. I'm calling it what it is. It fits the definition of a parasite. That doesn't make it bad. It just shows you part of the reason behind why abortions are legal. Because medically, they are parasites. Doesn't make them any less of a wonderful thing. When you want and can take care of them of course.
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@nickstojic6995 I see them as a wonderful thing from the perspective of a person who wants and cares for them. I know what abuse does to children. I'm just not a person who believes death is worse than suffering.
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@nickstojic6995 I did read it. I also responded to it, debunking most of your claims. Whether or not this is relavent or you believe me, I am not going to speculate. But I have a master's degree in biology, so I think my terminology is probably more credible than yours. Even if biology is not the career path I went into, its something I use and study endlessly. I am certainly aware that some people do use the term parasite to be dehumanizing. That is not my stance. I acknowledge the fact that it is human and alive. But I also acknowledge the fact that it is a parasite by definition. It is not by any definition a "child" except colloquially, and only when referring to humans, as a fetus is any in utero mammal. I understand pro-life. It is pro-life that does not (or in most cases refuses to) understand pro-choice.
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And how do you know you in fact don't have the false interpretation?
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Polyamory is not the same thing as an open relationship. Nor is it the same thing as polygamy.
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@zavrina21 And? If all parties are consenting, what is the issue? If its not for you, thats fine. But don't equate these things.
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No. Atheism is simply a lack of a belief in a God. Most atheists are agnostic. Everyone should be agnostic. She is both.
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Maybe for you. Be grateful you don't have an overactive libido.
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@pizzarmin8270 Is it better? As someone who has lived that life, I'd argue it isn't. But thats a personal thing. There's tons of family's who want kids, yet there are 44,000 children currently waiting to be adopted. So where are their families? There's nothing inherently wrong with being a foster child, but there's rampant abuse that goes on in that system. You are not even provided a decent education, which is why many foster children end up in prison or as suicide statistics. You got adopted into a loving family. Thats great. I got abused and destroyed by the people who were supposed to love me. Thats why I support choice.
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@pizzarmin8270 Some people can fix their lives. Some people can't. Who are you to tell people who don't want to live that they have to? Many people who are abused don't want to live. They would rather die than suffer. I don't believe life has inherent value or purpose. Thats something you make for yourself. They don't care. Why should you?
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s You do realize that you don't go to school in the state system like you would at a public school right? You don't go to elementary, middle or high school in the foster care system. They do not pay for you and its not free. Also, when you leave an agency at age 18, you probably have between a 3rd and 4th grade education. You would not have the credibility to apply to college, nor would you have the skills necessary to apply and keep a job. It sounds like you don't know what the foster care system is like
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s What do you think adoption is? Children that are put up for adoption by the state go into foster care. You're thinking of a private adoption.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s Except being ripped apart is not how abortions are performed, unless they are late term, and that is done almost exclusively for medical reasons. On top of adoption, you also don't know much about abortion. Perhaps you would rather choose life than death, but as someone who's life is fucked up because of that decision, I'd much rather choose death.
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You do not have inherent value. What about being born makes you valuable? You're valuable based on how you feel about yourself and the lives of others you haven an affect on. That is something that develops throughout however long you have.
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@madelinemarie3303 Not every mother loves her child. Just because you're valuable to her doesn't make you valuable to yourself, peers or society. That is what she was saying. You aren't valuable just because you are born. Instinct to survive has nothing to do with value. You can be replaced.
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@madelinemarie3303 That's fine if you believe life is inherently valuable. We simply have different opinions. Personally, I dont view either child as valuable.
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England's decline had nothing to do with the death penalty. It had to do with laws that made it hard for law abiding citizens to find jobs and protect themselves. You would not see a decrease in crime if you brought back the death penalty. Of the 5 countries with the lowest crime rate, 2 have the death penalty. Of the 5 states with the lowest crime rate, only one has the death penalty.
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@Maksie0 I think to say one can't exist is just as silly as saying one does.
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Not everyone could. But most can.
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@losttime6949 It doesn't matter even if he does exist.
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Being sold by licensed dealers depends entirely on the state. That is certainly not the case here. Most people who sell at gun shows where I live are not dealers, simply citizens.
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@Rhettusmc The statement you provided for me only applies to dealers. There is no federal law that dictates that a person at a gunshow MUST be a dealer. That is up to the state, and the organizer of the show.
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Welcome back to the dark ages.
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There's always a doubt. No such thing as 100%. Thats one of the first things you learn in criminal justice. By the way, no it doesn't work. It provides no benefit to society.
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No, and it never was. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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Because as time progresses, we now have a broader understanding of conditions. Its not that more kids are sickly, its that we have a broader spectrum of diagnoses. By the way, Autism is a birth condition.
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@skyrobin4008 Autism? Its a defect found at birth. Presently, we do know what causes it, though genetic factors certainly apply.
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@sidneynetherway7322 I believe the term you are looking for is MD. Not a PhD. MD refers to medicine. My point is the your comment insinuates that the reason people die are directly caused by vaccines, and that isn't true. If what you are trying to say is that vaccine's can exacerbate conditions that one may already have, which can then cause injury and death, then you are correct. That is why it's important for you to speak with your doctor thoroughly. Vaccines are not for everyone.
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Nope. Not from the ones I've seen.
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Very few people are like that. Good and bad are subjective in all honesty. But as someone who is a victim, I would not stand for the death penalty
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Except its not, since murder is a legal term.
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@Humanity Galatica Exactly. Thank you for proving my point.
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@themindofjohn4346 So is a DNR.
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Hey guess what? Protected sex still has pregnancies. Oh and guess what else? Some places can't get plan B without a prescription.
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Nope not true. Only those sold by FFL dealers require background checks federally. Private sellers often sell at shows and are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. Have bought 3 guns from shows. Never had a background check.
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@xavier1964 38 out of 50 states have no background checks on private sales. Thats 75% of the country.
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@GlowingSpamraam In general, states that do not have the death penalty and countries that focus on rehabilitation have lower crime rates
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Not all abortion doctors are male and the vast majority of late term abortions are for medical reasons.
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@b6274 I know how late term abortions are performed. But they are almost performed for medical reasons
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@b6274 There's no difference between early-term abortion doctors or late-term abortion doctors
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@b6274 There are no differences. Abortion doctors are surgeons.
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Then simply read the insert.
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She wasn't referring to a store. She was referring to a show. And in most states, you don't need any kind of license or a background check to buy privately. The gun show loophole doesn't exist because private sales are not a loophole nor do they only happen at shows.
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@TheViking-lh7oy It is the same. The only difference is the person you are buying from does not hold an FFL. Gun laws are then regulated by the state. No, its not illegal. It just has to follow state laws.
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Can someone tell meat eaters that thats not the argument or point?
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@lilithastraeas4739 Thats...not the point. The argument lies in sentience. Not life.
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@lilithastraeas4739 There...is no disagreement. You're just wrong. Not about what you eat. That should be what makes you happy. But the argument basis is wrong. Thats all.
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@lilithastraeas4739 No I understand. You didn't offend me. I was correcting your premise
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@IssyFishyy indeed
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Its not a thing because it isn't a loophole. Private sales do not require background checks on a federal level.
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@kaidenhurt517 Not true. I've never had a background check on a gun. They're actually quite uncommon where I live.
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@kaidenhurt517 I live in South Bend, Indiana. Most of us deal in private sales here, since guns are just cheaper that way.
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Of course there are things we cannot digest. But that doesn't mean you need to eat meat. Do not bring in God. A God has never been proven to exist. Eat healthy, regardless of what it is. But you'll sometimes have to defend your reasoning.
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The difference is you're sentient.
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And most atheists (and theists for that matter) are agnostic.
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Thats because she is. She's also an atheist.
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@granddaddypurp909 Yes you can. Most are both. Agnostic is a knowledge stance. Atheism is a belief stance. "I don't know whether a God exists or not, but I do not believe in one". -The stance of an agnostic atheist.
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Because the purpose of being in a relationship is to be intimate with those people or that person. Thats a desire that I and my partners want to fulfill. So what's wrong with that?
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Thats not the argument.
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@rodrigobento4570 I don't honestly think thats a joke. I know people who REALLY believe this.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 And what's right is subjective. Fetuses are not people. They do not meet the definition of personhood at the time of most abortions. Thats why there's a limit.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 I literally answered this in a previous response.
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Not necessarily. I'm married to one man, but still have a partner whom I am not married to.
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@janieswanson2549 You don't need meat. Everything you need nutritionally can be gotten in plant based foods or can be fortified in vegan foods.
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@janieswanson2549 Then you still don't need animals to technically survive, as you do not need electricity, phones etc to survive. However, anyone would consider it unreasonable to abstain from these things, especially in places where it is necessary. Veganism is about harming as little as possible.
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@janieswanson2549 I'm not a vegan for ethical reasons, so if things I need based on the way I live my life have animal products in them, then I'm okay with that. I'm aware of that. Also, I don't have a narrative. And sorry, but I am vegan based on the accepted definition of the community. So keep name calling. Show's your character really well.
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@adamender9092 No vegan I know feeds their pets (if they own one) a vegan diet. That would be terrible for the animal.
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@janieswanson2549 If thats the definition you want to use, then no one is vegan. But, since the word is flexible, I'll continue using the accepted definition. a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. So yes. I am vegan.
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@janieswanson2549 Yeah, actually I am. Look up the definition of veganism and you will find both broad and narrow definitions. If we ONLY used your definition, then veganism would NOT exist, as its impossible to survive for any length of time in a 1st world country without breaking that definition. If you really believe words only have 1 established definition, I can't help you. Veganism is the "doctrine". One who practices this doctrine is a vegan. Get over your semantics. You probably are intelligent. You're just very arrogant. You're not contradicting anything. Your simply giving a very broad and vague definition. And yes, I am still vegan. And I feel great. Eat and enjoy what you like.
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@ozarkstate If everyone suddenly stopped buying meat over night, yeah I could see it.
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@ozarkstate And thats why I'm not forcing anyone to go Vegan
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@martasw8885 Because when we talk colloquially, an atheist just says I don't believe in God, not Gid can't or doesn't exist.
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You mean those people who believe in that one book that SUPPORTS abortion?
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@alfredatly3445 Except the Bible not only condones abortion, it also condones murder. You pick and choose which parts of the Bible to follow. By the way,, abortion isn't murder. That is a fact, not an opinion.
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@alfredatly3445 Because it doesn't fit the definiton of murder.
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@alfredatly3445 The unlawful killing of one human being by another.
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Not knowing there is a God and not believing in one are not exclusive. He's not right. She is an atheist who also happens to be agnostic.
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Way to step on the rights of mothers and the dying...
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@person7340 A fetus isn't an infant.
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Because that would be a strawman argument. You are comparing the rights a mother has to the responsibility a parent has.
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@douglasb.8397 Thats because a fetus uses her body. The father isn't the one who carries it around for 9 months. Not only that, but the primary custody parent can chose whether or not to revieve child support
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Young Knapper 101 What exactly is so funny about that?
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Private sellers also sell guns they no longer want at gun shows, and are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. Thats the "gun show loophole". Which is terribly named.
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D Petrosky Which God? Allah? Zeus? Ra? There's more than just Yahweh.
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Because unvaccinated individuals can cause mutations in bacteria that causes a seperate strain that no one may be immune to.
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@sweetlikehoney8599 No problem.
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So is the death penalty.
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B12- Can be fortified in almond, soy and rice milks. Also found in Nori, a type of seaweed used in sushi. Creatine- Not essential in a standard diet. Produced naturally by the liver. Carnosine: Non-essential. Formed naturally in the body. Vitamin D3- No difference medically between this and the vitamin D obtained from sunlight. DHA: Can be made from ALA, found in Chia seeds, flaxseeds and walnuts. While typically lower than a meat-eater, can still fuction adequately. Heme-iron: Not an issue. Plant based irons are just harder to absorb. Again, non-essential as non heme-iron can work. Taurine: Non-essential. Produced by the body. You don't even read your own sites do you?
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@johnfurey3593 B12 can be fortified in milks. If you're trying to tell me that eating fortified foods counts as "supplements" then everyone is supplementing. Of course its different. However, the differences are minute when it comes to how the body uses it. Heme-iron is simply easier to absorb and its not affected by anti-nutrients. But that is not to say non-heme iron cannot be used. Actually, no. Its not different. The vitamin D you get in meat has the exact same effect as sunlight. I know it is. Because I found the article you pulled this from. And you didn't even finish reading it. You simply skipped over the parts you didn't agree with. I never said B12 was found naturally in plants. Its only found in small quantities in some types of seaweed. Most vegans get their B12 either through enriched foods (like milks) or through supplements. You stop spreading misinformation.
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@johnfurey3593 Yes, I'm well aware what "fortified" means. And most foods, including your meat and dairy, are ALSO enriched or foritifed. The "science" is you can be perfectly healthy without animal products in your diet, unless of course, you have an underlying condition.
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@johnfurey3593 ALA, while an inefficient method, can be converted into DHA by the body. In the body, DHA can also be made from the omega-3 fatty acid ALA, which is found in high amounts in flaxseeds, chia seeds and walnuts. You are full of crap.
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@johnfurey3593 B12 is mainly found in meat, dairy, fish and eggs. Nori seaweed and tempeh, which is a fermented soy product, contain small amounts of bioactive vitamin B12. So no. The only one spreading misinformation is you.
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@johnfurey3593 Except you have, as all of those nutrients are either non-essential, can be found in vegan foods, or can be gotten without meat. I totally agree with you about the woman being irritating. That doesn't mean you need meat and dairy to be healthy.
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@johnfurey3593 No. No its not a fact. Because both Nori and Tempeh have small amounts of B12. By the way, there's no reason to "cook" tempeh or nori. No it wasn't a direct quote because right under it was this "In the body, DHA can also be made from the omega-3 fatty acid ALA, which is found in high amounts in flaxseeds, chia seeds and walnuts. However, the conversion of ALA to DHA is inefficient. For this reason, vegetarians and vegans are often lower in DHA than meat eaters.
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Umm no. Thats not even remotely similar.
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It doesn't have to. Abolish it across the board.
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We draw the line at sentience and sapience.
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Because he wasn't right. She's an atheist. If you wanted to be really technical, she's an agnostic atheist.
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The fact that you actually think your post is a scientific fact is hilarious to me. You don't even know what the definition of murder is, yet pretend you do. I won't attack you, but I will attack your harmful beliefs. People like you are the reason I have to live in a wheelchair off the state for the rest of my life.
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@daniecliffe2847 I will grant you Ted Bundy. Jeffrey Dahmer actually was remorseful. Still, they are not the majority
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Useless system. Abolish it.
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H I It's too expensive. It's not a deterrent. It does nothing to lower crime rate. It does nothing beneficial to society.
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No, actually. Thats not entirely accurate. Private sales, which can happen at shows, do not require a background check.
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@b.w.6189 The stance on a claim with 0 evidence Should be disbelief. He was still wrong. She is an atheist.
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@b.w.6189 So then what was the point of your original comment? You claim people claim to be atheist when they're agnostics, even though agnostic is not a stand alone claim, and that the old man was right.
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@b.w.6189 she didn't argue that she wasn't an agnostic. She argued that she WAS an atheist, which is what the old man said. The old man didn't say she was an agnostic atheist. He said she was NOT an atheist and was INSTEAD an agnostic. That is wrong
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@b.w.6189 It wasn't an argument. I was simply correcting you on am error you had made.
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Everyone should be agnostic. Its not a stand alone claim.
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Jordan P Agnostic does not mean on the fence. Agnosticism is the stance that the KNOWLEDGE of God's existence cannot be known. Its a KNOWLEDGE stance. It has NOTHING to do with belief. ANYONE who is HONEST is AGNOSTIC.
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As a victim, the death penalty should be abolished. For any crime. No matter how horrific. There are too many people who slip through thr cracks and killing a killer does not benefit society anymore than locking them away for life would.
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@give me a username Umm no. You're actually more likely to survive a gunshot than a knife wound. Someone who is hell bent on hurting people will do it regardless of the weapon used.
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For all you theists, prove to me your deity exists. Seems like your the one with head up your ass. Can't do anything without consulting your precious sky daddy. Wouldn't want to hurt his feelings.
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But that's not reality.
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@a.v.d2315 Planned Parenthood doesn't just do abortions. Hope you understand that.
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Considering the vast majority of countries allow abortion...
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All three of my guns were purchased at shows. Never once have I had a background check. While she is way off base with the 20 guns thing, private sales often take place, especially at larger shows. There is no mandatory background check on private sales.
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@Road_Therapy I never said it wasn't poorly named nomenclature. It certainly is. I'm just saying its possible and legal.
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Mercury has not been used in vaccines since 1996. Only certain strains of thr flu shot still contain mercury, and therimsol mercury has never been shown to be harmful. Chemical composition matters. You also naturally consume aluminum. Every time to eat fish or drink out of aluminum cans. Again, no research has ever shown that the amount of aluminum present in vaccines is harmful. Ever gotten an MRI or an X-ray? Ultrasound? CT scan? Thats exposing you to radiation. Yet you still do those things. There is no link between vaccines and autism. Autism is a disorder that's genetic. You are born with it or your not. Its not something you can get.
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You are ridiculous.
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@himynameisandri I don't believe you. Sorry, but I know from personal experience that isn't true. I've helped more than one woman go through Planned Parenthood, both for neonatal care and for abortions. I would assume, if that is true, that has to do with legal issues.
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We are not biological omnivorous. We have the unique advantage of being able to choose. We would not have to worry about population control if we stopped eating meat and stopped domesticating animals.
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@joeyvega8991 Actually that's not entirely accurate. Most of our teeth are flat, and our jaws are not capable of ripping through larger and tough pieces of meat. That being said, I don't care what you eat. You can choose to be herbivorous or omnivorous. I choose to be a vegan because its healthier, better for the environment, and consistent with my morals.
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@joeyvega8991 I'm not arguing we are naturally omnivorous. We just don't have to be. Sorry if that was misunderstood.
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We're actually frugavores, which is a fruit leaning class of omnivores.
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That's a subjective opinion and shouldn't be the basis for our laws
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@AJ-lm5dl Then there should be no issue simply removing the fetus, since its not "my body". Oh wait...it dies if you do that.
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Poly doesn't mean an open relationship.
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Actually, using heroin isn't illegal, prostitution (in all honesty) should be legal, and sex trafficking is not consensual. The fetus is only developing by using the mothers body. So legally, she does have the right to do with it what she will within a time frame.
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@thebuzzinc2757 Laws specifically prevent people from doing things. The act of shooting heroin is not illegal. However, possession and distribution is. The argument should be "ypu shouldn't get to regulate my body"
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That is absoutely not true and proves you know nothing about the medical field. The doses start off relatively the same because everyone usually gets them at relatively the same time. But a 4 year old is not getting the same vaccine dosage as a 3 month old.
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@scottp7256 So am I. If you are giving a dose of a vaccine to a child the same way you are giving it to an adult (even though most people stop vaccine boosters after age 14) you should not have a medical license.
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No, they're both religions with wild texts that have no evidence behind them.
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It won't work.
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@ranjanarawat4336 Then you leave. You're clearly not happy, and your values in love are different. A polymer person shouldn't force themselves to be monogamous. Its not fair to him or to you.
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@ranjanarawat4336 Then you need to be the one who cuts off the relationship.
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@ranjanarawat4336 You can be his support system without being in a toxic relationship.
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@ranjanarawat4336 Good. You deserve better
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@ranjanarawat4336 Of course. I'm glad I could help you. You'll find someone
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Depends on the state and who you're buying the gun from. Never had a background check on any of my firearms.
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The problem is our prison system is not designed to rehabilitate. If we actually focused on rehabilitation, you'd see results.
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I don't know any vegan who doesn't know plants are living things...thats not the argument.
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@pringlesthegoose1702 I don't honestly believe that. Sorry.
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@pringlesthegoose1702 No, because I legitimately know people who are serious about comments like that.
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Because adoption always means the child will be taken care of right? Adoption is always free right? Condoms and birth control are 100% effective right?
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@ssjraikage7874 Umm no it isn't. Its a legal procedure to legally put them up for adoption and that does indeed cost money. SOME jurisdictions will allow the parents adopting out free service, but that is NOT the majority. I'd advise taking a law class. "Adoption is way better than killing". In your opinion. However, not everyone feels this way. Sex is way more than reproduction.
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@ssjraikage7874 I was a failed abortion. The torture I suffered as a child has permanently damaged me, and has prevented me from living a life I deserve. Do all people think like me? No. But when you hear children scream every day that "they wish they had been aborted" maybe your view.
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@ssjraikage7874 You might be glad that I wasn't aborted, but I am not. No one should be forced into doing something they do not want. Thats what our fathers died for. I don't empathize with the fetuses that died because they were not capable of caring and I trust their mothers did it with the best intentions. I empathize and sympathize with the parents who had to make that decision in order to realize they needed to make better choices. I wish I had been. And listen, I'm all for being safe. I'm all for abstinence if it works for you. I hope everyone exhausts every possibility before deciding to abort. But I understand that outlawing it will not save anyone. You will only create more people like me, who are miserable and unloved.
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@ssjraikage7874 Once again, adoption should be looked into. But its not always free and its not always available because of the amount of children in our system. Leaving a baby on a doorstep is illegal, and will land you in prison. Whether or not you think abortion should be an option is up to you. The fact is, it is an option. And I think its vile that you would rather see someone suffer when they can feel and comprehend it than to allow them to be terminated before they are even aware they exist.
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@ssjraikage7874 I can understand you not wanting that. I would honestly love to live in a world without abortion.
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Medications are drugs. Alcohol is a drug. SOME drugs aren't good for you.
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They are the rare exceptions that don't look to abortion as a last resort, and do not speak for the majority. There are women out there, like myself, who cannot take contraception.
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@TheBookWorm1718 No, and I never said that. However, there is a percentage who can't.
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@FXHazardproductions The literal definition of atheist is a lack of a belief in a God or Gods. You can be spiritual and be atheist. Buddhism is an atheistic religion that is spiritual. They don't contradict each other. One drals with knowledge. One deals with belief.
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Except a knife is a melee weapon and a gun is not.
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Most pro-lifers are uneducated about abortions. If you based your argument on facts, you'd be pro-choice.
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@parthenon5106 People on both sides of the spectrum can be uneducated. My point was the facts about abortion support pro-choice, not pro-life. That doesn't mean pro-lifers are uneducated, but in general, they tend to be. Then again, that is anecdotal.
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@Mon.M0TIVATION If a law is not beneficial, it should be abolished.
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That depends entirely on where you live. My college campus allows anyone with a CCL to carry on school grounds. Do you know why? So we can take a shooter out long before he does damage. Not everyone who goes to a bar drinks. Not mentally ill? That's the majority of the population, and would be unconstitutional. You cannot ban me from my right to bare arms because I have anxiety and autism. Strict gun laws do not work. The US system is different: criminally, culturally and economically, to other countries. And countries that banned firearms did not have a lower crime rate. We have NOT had 304 mass shootings. There are some "shootings" in where no one was injured or killed, but counts because a gun was discharged and there is no clear cut definition on what a "mass shooting" is. Gun Violance Archive, where that 304 number comes from, includes gang incidents and domestic violence in its statistics. In reality, we've only had 11 mass shootings that have raised national attention.
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There is no middle ground when it comes to vaccines. There is middle ground to be had in whether vaccines should be mandatory, spread out longer, etc. But there IS NO middle ground to be had between whether or not they are helpful. And there is no middle ground when it comes to denying scientific facts.
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Humans can mate for life. I can put all my effort into relationships, even when I'm with multiple people. I love my partner and my husband. Just get over it.
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Humans are technically frugivores.
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Because a taser or a security system won't help you in a pinch
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I think the better word would be extremist.
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Psychology disagrees with you.
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Good thing facts don't care about your feelings then.
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Jake Yorgason Most atheists are agnostic.
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@tonykrass7407 that's the point. There should be no restrictions on rights.
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@tonykrass7407 No there shouldn't. Then it isnt a right. It's a privilege. How has restrictions on guns helped? They haven't. The more you restrict access to firearms, the more you will see mass shootings increase.
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@tonykrass7407 I'm talking about the one right pertaining to the video, not rights in general. This is about gun control, and the more you try to limit and restrict a right, the more you lose that right. I believe it is you not doing the critical thinking.
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@tonykrass7407 So going on guns in particular, tell me what benefits I would have from restrictions on guns?
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Abortion is being responsible. Its realizing and accepting the fact that you cannot raise a child in a stable environment.
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Or at least should have said; "The exception to background checks is private sales for most states, but they make up few of the guns purchased."
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@venus7515 If you actively oppressing someone who was an opporessor, you are still an oppressor. So yes, it does switch.
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Nope.
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lakes Abort them when they're not capable of feeling pain or emotions because it's better than the alternative.
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lakes Having them and then abusing and neglecting them because you are unable to take care of them
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Why?
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You could never be healthy on a strictly carnivorous diet. You'd destroy your cardiovascular and digestive system. No one should be guilted over what they eat, and all vegans I know aren't like this. They're vegan for themselves and encourage people to try, but accept that not all people want to live that way. Plants being alive doesn't matter. Thats not why, morally, vegans don't eat meat.
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Vaccines literally expose you to the virus. They help heard immunity as well. Medicine can and does go wrong. But to discredit decades of study and research because of fear is ridiculous. Thalidomide has been proven effective for certain conditions, such as cancer. Celebrex is also still on the market with increased warnings because of its heart attack risks. These medications have helped millions of people. This is why its important to speak with your doctor.
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Abortion isn't murder, and the law and Constitution don't give a damm about your opinion.
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@scottpe6226 Measles, Influenza, Whooping Cough, Mumps, Hepatitis...
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Not always. Depends on who at the show you're buying from and where. Still not a loophole, but it does happen. And its legal.
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@DSBaughm Yes, in fact all of my guns have been purchased from shows. You do not need an FFL to sell at a show, and in most states, private salea do not require background checks by law. So yes, it is perfectly legal to buy a gun at a show from a private dealer. Happens all the time.
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In general, a plant based diet is healthier than one that includes meat. But this isn't true for everyone.
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If you aren't getting enough protein as vegan, you're doing something wrong. Soybeans (a complete protein) has MORE protein per ounce than beef...
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No one would get abortions if a fetus could survive outside of a womb and they did not have to care for it. There would be no reason to. The adoption process can take years. And that is why only 13% of people who look into adoption follow through. The fact remains that there are not enough parents who want to care for the amount of children in care.
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@user-sh2rc5kc7x I agree with using protection. However, protection fails. You're right. Its almost as if sex and conception are two different actions where one is independent from the brain. And biologically, it is a parasite. It lives off another at the detriment kf the host, which is why you stress neonatal care.
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I have asperger's as well. Why do you assume abortions occur simply because the child is defective? Autism is something that cannot be found in utero. Do you know why people with handicaps are aborted? Because the mother cannot give them the proper care they need. Not because they don't want them. Also, I question that statistic. Also, I doubt you are actually pro-life. Because then, you'd be against abortions in all circumstances, including medical, rape and incest, and you'd also be against death with dignity.
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We already do.
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Probably because he's on probation and is in danger of losing his medical license.
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@KingDami1999 Yes it can. The act of being in love is literally something controlled by chemicals we can measure. There have been numerous studies on this. Just because you're uneducated about what being in love means and know nothing about psychology doesn't mean it isn't real. Its how we determine expression. Don't be ignorant.
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@KingDami1999 Considering I've been in a relationship for over a decade and married almost 6 years and have two children, I'm pretty sure I know what love is. You just jave cognitive dissonance, and because reality doesn't cortort with your worldview, you choose to ignore it. Its kinda sad actually. You could make the philosophical argument that love is more complicated than it is, and I would even tend to agree with you. But the fact remains that the act of "being in love" is something that can be easily tested and measured. Sure, we don't have all the knowledge of why we're in love, or why brains work the way they do. And I doubt we ever will. That doesn't change facts. Of course its not always the same, but again, neurologists can easily tell the difference between loving someone, like a parent or a pet, and being in love with someone romantically. Different hormones are released at different levels. Its not about reading studies. Its about living the life that accompanies those studies. Please don't condescend to me when you knew absoultely nothing about me.
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But it was correct. You can purchase guns without a background check at a show in a majority of states. It wasn't expanded upon for times sake probably.
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@grandadmiralthrawn8116 The point is that private sales happen at gun shows, so to blanketly state that you can't purchase a gun at a show without a background check is false.
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2sauceyJay You don't know anything. You only believe.
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No, no one forgets that. That's just not the argument.
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@junkynote4799 Because its not the moral argument that people use when talking about veganism. No one argues plants are not living. They are misrepresenting the moral argument, which is why I corrected them. I am a vegan. I know what our moral argument is.
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Zoe Schauder That depends on the denomation of Christianity
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If you do the vegan diet right, there's no reason you should be lacking anything. I don't care what you eat, but please don't spread misinformation...
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@conradmerrywether9438 No, I mean by eating all necessary nutrients. You don't need meat to be healthy. The only vitamin not naturally found in vegan alternatives is B12, which can be added to fortified milks. You can be perfectly healthy on a vegan diet just as you can on am omnivorous diet.
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@conradmerrywether9438 Amino acids are what make up proteins. Plenty of vegan foods are high in protein. Are they more readily available in meat? Sure! Are the hard to get in a vegan diet? No. Soybeans contain more protein per ounce than beef. Taurine, like B12, can be foritifed in vegan foods.
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Caroline Madison No, I would unplug their life support because they have no quality of life. There's no way to ever know a person would wake up. It's not the same concept. You don't even bother to consider why a woman has an abortion. You only assume she does it because it's inconvenient, instead of not being able to provide for it emotionally, physically and financially. You aren't pro-life. You're pro-birth. You don't give a shit about the quality of life a person has. You just want them to be alive.
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Unintelligent Individual Are you referring to abortion or to life support? If you're referring to life support, I was drawing a comparison. This is why I think it's important to have a living will, so instances like this don't occur. A living will and a power of attorney allows everyone to know exactly what you want done when you still are a sentient being. If you are referring to abortion, your argument fails in the sense that abortion is not homicide.
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Unintelligent Individual And? That's not homicide. Killing and murder are not interchangeable terms. I would like to see an end to abortion, but as of right now, I see why it happens. When you treat the root causes for why people have an abortion, only then can we hope to end it.
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Unintelligent Individual Depends entirely on the situation. I support a woman's right to have an abortion because I have seen the consquences of forcing and unfit mother to give birth.
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Unintelligent Individual Yes I believe in human rights of sentient beings. No, in general I do not believe in killing sentient human beings innocent or otherwise.
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Unintelligent Individual Then by your logic, animal rights should apply to all animals, including animals we kill and slaughter for their meat and skin. Why doesn't animal rights laws protect them? Certain requirements always have to be met to have rights. Prisoners aren't granted certain rights because of their actions. Minors aren't granted certain rights because of their age. A non sentient being isn't capable of acknowledging what rights are. That's why I think sentience matters.
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Unintelligent Individual Sentience is the ability to think and feel subjectively. Both humans and animals do this. And after a certain period of time, so does a fetus. At that point, I believe abortion should be off the table, though I wish abortions didn't happen at all.
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Unintelligent Individual None of those things. Personhood and morals are based on you and your experience. Nothing is conferred upon you other than your ability to think and feel subjectively. That, I believe, is what living is. As opposed to just being alive.
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A man should NEVER have a right to a woman's body or vice versa.
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@darcymr353 You literally said that a woman should not have the right to abort unless the man agrees with the abortion. That is literally giving a man the right to decide what a woman does with her body. Stop trying to sound smart and pretending you're smarter than you are.
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@darcymr353 I don't have to. Your comment is clear.
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@darcymr353 Forcing a woman to have an abortion because a man doesn't want it is still a violation of her rights. The only one who makes the final decision on whether a child is kept or aborted is the woman. My original comment still stands. A man does not have the rights over a woman's body and vice versa.
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@darcymr353 Sure, a little. However, what your comment represents is just as vile as a woman being denied a right to abortion by the pro-life movement. You want men to have control over women's bodies.
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@darcymr353 Because only the individual decides what to do with their bodies.
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@darcymr353 Neither of them are insignificant. You don't want to step up and be a father even though you knew it was a possibility? Then don't be. A man has ways of not being a father just as a woman has ways of not being a mother. I don't argue from morality. Its a subjective concept. Unless of couse she raped him, should have thought about that before having sex as well. Making a mistake doesn't give you authority over someone's body. The only one who makes the final decision is the one who's liberty is in question.
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@darcymr353 The point is it is up to the woman (or trans man) whether he or she wants to keep or abort a pregnancy. No one else has final say. I agree people enjoy sex, but to force an abortion is no better than forcing a pregnancy.
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@darcymr353 Arguing from morality is a useless fallacy. We should argue from logic and reason. Not if he doesn't want to be a father. There are other routes he can take that doesn't infringe on a woman's bodily autonomy. Both parties consenting doesn't mean pregnancy is a mistake. Or an undesired consequence. They can't "sacrifice" liberty if they are doing so consensually. Especially when having children also provides a benefit.
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@andreykuzmenko3749 I know many atheists who believe in the supernatural. No where in the definition of atheism does it mention the supernatural. Atheists simply lack a belief in Gods. Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with knowledge. An agnostic says the knowledge pf God being real is unknowable. Most atheists are also agnostic.
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There is no state that requires any type of test to own a gun. That would be a violation of the federal law. The gun show loophole also is not a myth. Its just nad nomenclature. It refers to the private sales, which do not legally require a background check, at shows.
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@z-manoverstreet Yes, everyone has rights. However, your right does not supersede someone else's. If it makes me happy to murder, my "right to the pursuit of happiness" does not trump your "right to life".
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@z-manoverstreet No. Thats the point. Your rights stop where anothers begins and vice versa. A fetuses right to life is equal to the mothers right to pursue happiness. So cannot put one over the other, which is what outlawing abortion would do.
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@z-manoverstreet The problem is the right to life does not supersede the pursuit of happiness. They are equal rights.
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Because religion taken literally causes massive losses of life. And the same people who look at religion and interpret it secularly, that religion spawns the extremists.
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Not true. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where. All three of my guns were purchased at shows, and I've never had a background check.
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Well, then you would just be wrong.
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@parthenon5106 And that proves how much you fail at anatomy. How do you think an embryo develops? By attaching to the uterine wall and developing its own body by taking the nutrients of the mother. No matter how many times you say that a fetus is not part of the mother, it doesn't change the truth.
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@parthenon5106 *denying. And yes you have. On multiple occasions. Including right now. Can a pregnant woman have two hearts? Yes. Thats a genetic defect. In general do they? No. But again, let me make this clear. That heart would not be forming without the nutrients from the host mother. A fetus cannot develop on its own. Its dependent on the mother it is attached to for development. It. Is. Attached. To. Her. Anything, positive or negative, that she does affects that fetus. You are incorrect to say a fetus is not part of the mothers body. However, you are not incorrect to say that as development continues, the fetus becomes less attached to the mother, and more of its own entity. That is why even pro-choice people are against late-term abortions. Understand?
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@parthenon5106 asdf;lkj123 You have corrected me on multiple occasions of a mispelling. I thought it fair to do the same. I won't in the future if you do not want me to. No, it still is. And again, if you think it isn't, take an anatomy class. Are you seriously trying to tell me that an embryo, without development from the mother, has a pair of legs? Science does not say its an independent body. No scientist, for or against abortion, would tell you that. Being part of the woman's body at all, including attached and living off of her biologically, as you admitted to, makes the fetus a part of her. No, I'm not denying the truth. You are simply ignorant and biased.
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@parthenon5106 You don't bother me. Just because we have differing opinions doesn't mean your a bother. I have never stood for late term abortion. Once a fetus gains sentience, abortion should be off the table. That is my personal view.
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"Many" is a word that is loose at best. Sure, on its own. But in comparison to the population helped by vaccines, it isn't many. I have a child that was harmed by a vaccine. I will still vaccinate my children after discussions with my doctor. I know that my daughter is a rare case. If you do not know how vaccine court works, or why it works the way it does, don't pretend you do. Just because you can't sue a manufacturer directly (which there is a good reason for) doesn't mean they don't face hell if something goes wrong. It doesn't mean you aren't compensated. Very few people die of vaccines. Way more die of diseases these vaccines can prevent.
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How was the world made: I don't know. Science has yet to have the full answer. How did Christanity start: Because people wanted power and wanted the ability to control people. Why was freaking Christmas made: Christmas is based on the Winter Solstice, a pagan holiday. Christian's in power wanted to stomp out pagan traditions, so they said that their Holiday was the same, just called something else. Most fundamentalist Christans no longer celebrate Christmas. Thank you.
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Thats a gross generalization
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Because abortion is a right. Right to autonomy. You impregnating a woman and her choosing to keep it, especially when she cannot afford it, is your responsibility as well. So you should help pay for it.
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What makes you think people who have abortions have no remorse? Should you also go to jail for putting down an animal for animal cruelty? You're killing them. You sound really uneducated.
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Why would people not be hostile against a group that goes against science and is directly responsible for harming people?
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Secularism dictates my morals as an atheist, and I think they're better then some book that condones rape, murder and slavery. Also no. Our founders were secularists.
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No, people just understand thats a slippery slope and is unconstitutional. You can't ban me from my right just because I have mental illness.
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Yes...because lets pretend people's financial situations don't suddenly change in a matter of minutes. Oh wait...that's not reality.
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Simple response. People do have access to that weapon and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Better more good people had them than bad people. America does not have the problem you think it does.
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@explosivebest3703 I don't disagree with that, but the vast majoirty of those deaths are suicide. You believe the US has a problem. But we don't. Its that simple.
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It's not a myth, but it's also not really a loophole, nor is it restricted to shows.
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Legality. Murder is strictly a legal term.
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One, pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion. Many are against abortion, but support a person's right to die. Its not about life. Its about sentience.
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@ChimpRevolution Since when do we care about life? You a vegan? If not, you support the killing of life. Abortion is not irresponsible. Having a child you cannot take care of is irresponsible. Its not noble, but its not evil either. Also, what planet do you live on where abortion is convenient?
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Except its not a double homicide. Its unlawful termination of a pregnancy in nearly every case. Neither the law nor medicine considers a fetus a person. It does not meet the definition of personhood. Its not murder. Get your facts straight.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 Yes. Fuck human rights.
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@Humanity Galatica I said human rights aren't inherent and do not exist without a body enforcing them. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be enfoced if one is capable.
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The point is, her faughter probably WASN'T the victim of a vaccine. She is ASSOCIATING her daughter's issues with a vaccine because the time frame correlates. If her daughter WAS the victim of a vaccine, she should be a proponent FOR vaccination to protect her child
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@fur8104 Yes? Because its true.
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@fatherpoochie2454 ....I doubt either of you know what Satanism actually is.
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@fatherpoochie2454 Actually, I was lucky enough to have my Dad in my life. You have some problems you need to work out?
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@fatherpoochie2454 Oh I understand.
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@Humanity Galatica Then once again, I demand access to your kidney.
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The point of any debate is not to change your mind. It is to get you to see the other side, and sway those who are neutral to one side or the other.
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These are a minority of vegans. Just try an remember that.
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No one would be trashing him if he wasn't a condescending asshole.
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And no one really argues that. I could grant you that. Abortion is a legal debate, not a moral one.
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@jordanthoughtz No, its not moral. No one argues that abortion is wrong or shouldn't happen. The problem lies with being the lesser of two evils.
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Pro-life: I don't care about what kind of horrible situations a child is born into. I don't care that the mother is unfit and I'm not interested in my money giving her help. So long as the child is born, I don't care what kind of life it has, but I'll pretend that when that child gets abused, I don't know how it happened.
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Blue Diamond Pro-Life: I lack the basic understanding of what the definition of murder is and continue to sit by and watch children be abused and neglected, instead of trying to fix the problem.
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Blue Diamond Murder: The unlawful killing of one human being by another. Abortion is not unlawful, therefore is not murder. Child Abuse: Mistreatment of a child by a parent or guardian, including neglect, beating, and sexual molestation. Biologically and legally, a fetus is not considered a child until after it's born. You don't actively look for people who help the poor, nor do you know what their beliefs are. I give a third of my paycheck to a food bank, because I know what it's like to live that way. I do care. That's why I'm pro choice. Because I have seen the devastating effects caused when you force an unfit mother to give birth to a child.
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@bluediamond4895 if it's lawful, then it isn't murder. Sorry, that's the basic definiton. Killing? Yes. Murder? No. Being right is completely subjective. I don't think stealing for survival is wrong, but many do. No, I don't know any pro-choice people who would kill a 2 year old. But I know plenty of pro life people who would never consider fostering an abused child. To think we're monsters is on you, not on me.
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@bluediamond4895 I sponsor charity events, I donate money to food banks, I've offered my home to felons while they looked for a job. I do care. So don't fucking sit here and tell me I don't. I want one day to live in a world were abortion is no longer a thing. But outlawing it is not the way to go. You won't SAVE anyone by outlawing abortion. In fact, you'll only kill more people. You judge me based on one issue when you know absolutely nothing about me. You know why I am pro choice? Because I'm a failed fucking abortion who grew up in a shitty environment and was one of the lucky ones who was strong enough to pull through!
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@bluediamond4895 A fucking fetus is not a child. For the love of God, take a basic fucking biology class.
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Science has never proven that the fetus is a different body in utero. You show me a fetus that can grow and develop its own eventual body WITHOUT implantation and attachment to a woman's uterus. Then you may have an argument. Slavery violated another SENTIENT BEING'S right. Abortion does not.
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@liamturman A fetus is 99% similar to its parents. Show me where a fetus can grow its own body without the use of a mother's uterus.
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Because you don't in all cases.
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@naterocas1877 And I've never had to.
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Abortion should be off the table when the fetus becomes sentient. Human life is not irreplaceable or precious. You are no more special than anyone else. You arent born valuable. It is your unique experience in life that brings value to you, the people you connect with and the planet. Yes, protection should be used if it can be. But in some cases, it can't and in others, it doesn't work. No, you kill the fetus because you are not responsible enough the give it the proper care it needs. The fetus doesn't care until it has sentience. Its incapable of caring. That should be the line
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@oladokunfrosh2967 I believe life, in the basic sense, does begin at conception. HUMAN life is really when the fetus is capable of being sentient. I don't think its carelessness. Most abortions happen because the mother is suddenly abandoned by friends and family when her pregnancy is discovered, especially if shes young. I do not believe in abortion as a form of birth control, which it is very rarely used as. That is not true. While it true that nerves begin to form only two weeks into fertilization, the fetus cannot feel pain, because there is no brainstem to register it. The brainstem doesnt develop until between 8 to 10 weeks. That is where the cutoff point, in my opinion, should be. Condoms do not always work, though I do agree in the use of protection. I don't believe in God, and the laws do not follow your religion.
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@oladokunfrosh2967 No it doesn't because to me, life isnt the issue. I don't place humans on a pedestal, and consider it hypocritical to be let's say, anti-vegan or pro death with dignity. No I don't believe that. I don't believe it devalues or violates humanity. I think stripping away someone's right to an abortion violates their humanity. Murder by definition is unlawful. So at the very least in the US, abortion is not murder, as it doesn't match the definition. The US is not a failed society, nor is your sense or compass of morality objective. Morality is a subjective concept. That fetuses life is a parasite on me that would make it impossible for me to live without the proper care. It directly affects my life. Therefore, I decide what to do with it until it is no longer dependant on me from a biological perspective. Contraceptives should be made available, but there is a percentage of women (myself for example) who cannot take them. And they can fail as well. You are free to believe what you want. I don't believe human life has inherent value, and believe it is none of my business what another woman does with her body. I was religious for the majority of my life, but I realized that is was wishful thinking and silly to believe in something that has no evidence behind it. Things that, as of right now, can't be explained by science should not outright be attributed to a higher power. Unless you can back it up with evidence. I am an agnostic atheist. I know science right now does not have all the answers, but to assume something supernatural is silly to me.
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HighwayCurse Do you know it's also a sin to eat pork and seafood? Or to cut your hair? This is why religion doesn't dictate laws
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HighwayCurse I'm a Christian turned Agnostic Atheist.
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HighwayCurse I believe there is a difference between life and being alive. That fetus is not sentient and therefore is not living. But it is alive. I support a woman's right to have an abortion because I have seen the consequences of what happens when you force a woman who is unfit to give birth.
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HighwayCurse A woman who is not physically, emotionally or financially ready to care for a child.
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HighwayCurse I don't believe in God so that is irrevelant to me. People naturally want to have sex, and to deny that human nature is harmful. Now I agree precaution should be taken, however that is a choice one makes. Choice should be respected when it doesn't affect a sentient being.
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Because "convicted" ALWAYS means "guilty" right? There's never EVER been a case of WRONGFUL sentencing, right? You are exactly the type of people that need to stay the hell out of the justice system.
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She was technically correct. You don't need a background check, at least by law, if the sale is private. Private sellers often sell at shows. I agree with most everything else except the end. Almost all gun violence is performed with legally obtained firearms. 80% of homicides with a handgun were legally purchased.
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@espy_alitrix3642 I'm sorry, but that is simply not true. You can most certainly love and be loyal to multiple partners, provided everyone is aware of the situation. Just because you can't imagine it doesn't mean it does not exist. I love both my partner and my husband more than I could ever describe to you, a love that is shared to me by both. No, cheating is going behind a person's back and being with a partner without the other partner knowing. My husband is not only aware of my partner, but is very good friends with him. Both provide me with support and love in different ways. Why must you be bound to only one person if thats not what makes you happy? If you lose your wife or husband, does that mean loving another person invalidate the relationship you had with them? No. Thats nonsense. Its the same principle. I don't see a lot of monogamous relationships working in a healthy manner. Cheating, divorce and domestic abuse are extremely commonplace. I can give my all to more than one person in different ways. You and I are different.
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Thats not being open minded. I am not going to be open minded towards an asshole.
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And not only proceeded to commit mass genocide, but certainly condones abortion.
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Nate72 That's fine that you don't want to be called such, but that doesn't mean you aren't one.
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Nate72 I'm an agnostic atheist yes.
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But unborn fetuses, legally, do not outside of the womb.
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You lack the basic understanding of what a scientific theory is. Science is not a religion. It lacks all characteristics of a religion. If something is true, then you wouldn't need faith to believe in it. We have records of men creating computers. You have yet to demonstrate the world was created.
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That wasn't the problem. The problem was he said she WASN'T an atheist, which she is. These terms aren't mutually exclusive.
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@bigbad9583 No, I don't believe in God. I said the God portrayed in the Bible is an evil monster. Thankfully, theres as much evidence for that as there is for an all loving creator. Again, theres no evidence to Jesus being the son of God. Many people claim to be divine beings. Do you believe them? No, the prophecy has not come to pass. And even theologians say the new testament does not free you from the old testament. Jesus himself supposedly says this as well. You are supposed to follow the Mosaic Code until Jesus returns. By the way, some of the evil I mentioned is in the new testament as well.
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@bigbad9583 I didn't draw a parallel to anything. I stated the God of the Bible, if it is to be taken literally, is an evil monster. That doesn't mean I believe in it. I was stating a fact. I don't think I'm better than a deity I do not believe exists. Jesus did not fulfill all of the prophecies of the Old Testament, and stated in the New that you were to follow the Mosiac Code until all was fulfilled. I care because people use religion as an excuse to hurt and shame others. And that is unacceptable. Also, my interpretation is not warped. I'm not even interpreting it. I'm telling you what it says only from a literal perspective.
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@The 11th Hour prove to me he exists first.
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@The 11th Hour I never said you had to show me. God is omnipotent, correct? Then he should know what evidence was needed to convince me of his existence. Nothing comes directly from God because you have yet to prove a God exists let alone YOUR God exists. The Bible is full of truly abhorrent things that a psychopath would look at for inspiration. I was a Christian for over 2 decades, before I realized believing in something with 0 evidence was foolish.
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@maxadooooooo Proof that Jesus died for me please. That's right. You have none. So then you admit that God is not omniscient. "God is real" is a claim you need to back up with evidence. If I'm judged, I'll still get into heaven if your God is truly loving.
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@maxadooooooo I think having faith is foolish.
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You mean the late term abortions exclusively done for medical necessity? You guys really like being dishonest huh.
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So you'd risk potentially jailing innocent people? Guess what a miscarriage is called? Thats right. A self-abortion. So, explain to me how you would go about determining who had an abortion and who simply miscarried?
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Depends on where and who you're buying from. Never had a background check at a gun show and always got to take the firearm home same-day.
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@chancedavis6216 Not necessarily, because private sellers also sell at shows.
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@chancedavis6216 Your last sentence was "gun shows require background checks like firearms dealers." No. No they don't. Not in all cases.
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Except, its not truth. Its a matter of personal opinion. As someone who was born only because of people like her, and was abused and neglected by a broken system, I can for CERTAIN say I would rather have never known life at all.
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And I'm happy to be an atheist.
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Extremists is the word you're looking for. Being vegan doesn't put you out of touch with reality. Being an extremist does.
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IssyFishyy Yes, because I don't believe life has inherent value. We've been over this.
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IssyFishyy That's not a fact. That's an opinion.
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Not if you buy the gun from a private seller. No background check needed.
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No, that's not true. Depends on who you're buying from
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@870gamer4 That is not true. There is no law that says you must have an FFL to set up a booth at a gun show. Many private sellers set up at shows.
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@870gamer4 Indiana is where I live. All of my guns have been purchased privately at shows. Hell, the shows around here are almoat exclusively private dealers, because its cheaper than going to a gun store.
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@870gamer4 Huh. Thats interesting. Suppose it depends on the state, like most things.
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@ekoyal_gemu4446 Then by definition it isn't murder.
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A plant does not feel. It does not hurt. It lacks the capability to do that. Its not like vegans are saying "eat all the trees".
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@Haia200 That is just straight up not true.
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Your fallacious reasoning is showing.
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You dont have to do a background check if you are purchasing the firearm from a private seller in most states.
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@dustyak79 That's true. However, in my state, most of the people at gun shows are private sellers.
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Yes, because lets pretend that innocent people don't get wrongly executed. Lets also pretend these two topics have anything to do with one another.
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She is an agnostic atheist. Everyone who is honest is agnostic. And of course atheism wouldn't exist with theism.
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@mathildeyoung1823 And that "support and compassion" may include termination of a pregnancy that is detrimental, yet you say they should deal with it. That's not supportive or compassionate. Funny thing. They did untill assholes like you elected officials that defunded them. Because you just assumed that because they allowed abortions, that must be all they do. One victims viewpoint does not and should not dictate the behavior of all. If a person is traumatized be that experience and give birth, how the hell is that giving the child "the life it deserves?" It deserves to be abused and neglected when it actually can feel? Sickening. Sounds like someone using their trauma to be manipulative and vindictive. Actually, its about 2% of all abortions, which is thousands of people. So what if they do? The fact that people actually believe suffering is better than death is atrocious.
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The whole purpose for gun shows is to purchase guns.
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Because eating any type of animal product can be unhealthy and increase risks for problems later in life. I would rather have a lower risk of having a heart attack in the future. If I can get the benefits without the risks, why wouldn't I?
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Jesus wasnt even born in December. You're basing your holiday on a pagan one. Prove to me theres a God and Jesus died for my sins. Until then, you're just talking nonsense
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Not true except for B12.
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People say that because abstinence not only doesn't work but is unhealthy for those that have a naturally high libido.
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It may perhaps traumatize some, but everyone is different. I have friends that both do and don't regret their abortions.
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That's really sad.
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It's just sad that you believe what he said was true. Like, I'm fine if you believe it. There's nothing wrong with that. But claiming it as fact just makes you a dishonest nutcase.
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@rashadjohnson8539 I only believe that if you think that a belief is fact.
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That's just your personal opinion. Humans are animals who got lucky on the fusion of chromome 2. So what's the difference? For the record, I'm not an ethical vegan and don't care what you eat.
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@starryyynightzzz4691 Humans aren't at the top of the food chain. We are the way we are because we got lucky. Nothing more.
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That is not true. Background checks are only mandatory if you are purchasing the gun from a dealer. Not all people at shows are dealers.
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@dutchpatriot17 You do realize that most crops go to animal feed, right?
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What is the practical use in that? What about people who are found guilty that are innocent?
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@inasseel4017 We shouldn't make laws that violate the very basis of the founding of our country.
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@inasseel4017 So in other words, there is no practical use. You are simply acting according to emotions. Also no. The death penalty is not a deterrent. This has been proven time and time again.
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No. No I wouldn't. Perhaps you would in the heat of the moment, but most victims are against the death penalty for a reason. Not all killers are aware. A majority of homicides are "heat of passion" kills. Perhaps you may believe that, but that is your subjective opinion.
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@daanimeking4206 Once again that is your subjective opinion, and you are entitled to it.
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@daanimeking4206 Yes. In fact, I am. I argued against the death penalty for the man who murdered my sister and left me with permanent disabilities.
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@daanimeking4206 Its fine. I'm just against it for practical reasons. We all have our views.
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Humans are animals.
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@parthenon5106 Why is it that they won't take care of older children? Oh, by the way, a vast majority of those "older children" have been in the system since infancy or early life. How come no one adopted them?
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@Megatron-xs2qe But you don't need to eat animals to survive unless you are in the same survival situation. So an ethical vegans question to you would be "why is it wrong to eat a human or a companion animal, but perfectly okay to eat a "non-companion meat" animal?"
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You're genetics are literally half the mothers genes. The issue isnt life. Its sentience that matters.
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There's no way to make it hard for bad guys to acquire one. So make it easier for the good guys.
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@normizavi4525 If you believe guns are too easy to buy, you've never purchased a firearm. Being allowed to purchase a firearm at a show depends on the state and the sellers discretion. Just because they aren't legally required to give you a background check doesn't mean they won't. Many of the shootings could have been prevented if guns were more easily available to good citizens and we got rid of gun free zones. "Mentally ill people shouldn't have access to guns." That would eliminate most of the population from having a gun. What do you qualify as mentally ill? I suffer from depression and anxiety. I'm also on the Autism spectrum. Never in my life have I considered shooting someone for no reason. My Constitutional right should not be withheld because I am a perfectly functioning adult that has mental illness. Not everyone owns a car nor is it possible for everyone to own a gun legally. Driving is a privilege. Guns are a right.
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@normizavi4525 You cannot purchase a gun and then travel over state lines. That is a federal crime. If you do not live in the US, do not pretend to know our laws. You do not have to be a licensed seller to sell at a gun show either. Yes, they absoutely can. You should not be purchasing a firearm if you know you cannot legally posses one. That's on no one but the buyer. Eliminate gun free zones then. Allow students to carry their gun. I guarentee you no one would dare shoot up the school. Someone would put a bullet between their eyes.
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@Porto Fino No, actually the opposite is true. Abortion is not murder. That is not an opinion, but a fact (in the US). Abortion is not unlawful, nor does the government recognize a fetus as a human. You literally shot yourself in the foot. Abortion is killing. It is not murder.
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No. No I don't.
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Chidori_Pizza 1738 Name calling. How very Christian like
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You cant stop criminals from getting a gun. You can only stop law abiding citizens from getting a gun.
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@shaun8622 Australia did not ban ALL guns like many liberals claim. There are more guns in circulation in Australia today than before gun control. Nearly all of Australia’s mass shootings occurred in the 20 years before their gun buyback. It’s thus misleading to claim that mass shootings were common in Australia’s history – until gun control. The majority of Australia’s mass public shootings have been committed with firearms that were never banned. Firearm homicides did fall post 1996 gun control – at exactly the same pace as they were naturally falling before gun control. Over a similar period (1993-2014), gun homicides in America were cut by more than half. Keep in mind that guns per capita increased about 50% in America over this period. A 2016 American Medical Association study examined trends in firearm homicides and suicides before and after the adoption of gun control in Australia from the 1996 NFA, and found no evidence of a statistically significant effect of gun control on the pre-existing downward trend of the firearm homicide rate. In short, you banning guns did nothing to affect the firearm homicide rate.
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Hycinth Bucket The difference is you can't be sure an adoption agency will even take your baby, let alone give it to a good home.
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Hycinth Bucket How long ago was that? We have reports all the time of abuse going on in adoption and foster care homes because the families only want the government money.
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Yep. Loreen Dinwiddie died at 110.
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I was with you up until you had to drag abortion into it. Abortion. Is. Not. Murder. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. (At least in the states)
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@shebsheb8850 Because agnosticism means "I don't know." And that is the honest position when it comes to knowledge. Gnostics are just liars.
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"The world doesn't function on emotions" Thats all the death penalty is. It doesn't benefit society and is not practical.
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Thats a terrible standard to live by. A hypocritical one too.
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I don't care what you eat, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for an ethical vegan. Other animals nutritionally need meat to function. Humans do not. Humans also shouldn't be hypocritical when it comes to the animal hierarchy.
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There are 45,000 children waiting. Take your pick.
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@ratofvengence The homicide rate in the US is at a 35 year low. You are safe in the classroom. It's just the media covers school shootings for weeks. Make it allowed for students to carry their guns on them, and I guarentee school shootings would stop.
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@ratofvengence Yes it is actually. The homicide rate in The murder rate in 2014 was lower than at any time since the FBI started keeping track in 1960. Yes, it has steadily climbed over the past few years, but was still at an all time low by historical standards in 2017. Of course it will be higher than those nations. The US has over 3 times the population of Vietnam. Yes, that's true. Or perhaps it may just be that we report on them. They are still a very rare occurance. You are more likely to be shot on the street walking than in a classroom. Most of the shooters are mentally ill students who have access to firearms. Allow those who are good people to carry firearms to defend themselves against the bad guys, and you'll see it stop. Just like a robber would rather target an empty house, a shooter would rather target unarmed students. We're allowed to carry guns in my school and we've stopped several wannabe shooters. You dont live in the US, so your say doesnt matter.
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@ratofvengence The US isnt failing. Perhaps if you lived here, you would know that. I never denied there are other nations that are "better". But it isnt because of guns or crime. Their population is smaller, so there would be naturally lower crime rate. I'm not proud of everything my country has done, but I think I live in the greatest country. I have freedom to do and say what I want, to criticize who I want, to practice any religion I want, and to be equal (for the most part) to everyone else.
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@ratofvengence Once again, neither do you apparently. Gun control would not lower crime rate, and in nations where guns are banned (England for example) have brutal stabbings, fire bombings AND gun violence. If you ban guns, only criminals have guns. Because in most other western democracies, you DONT have the freedoms Americans do. You dont have access to guns. You cant say what you want to who you want. Gun control has been tried for years. And it fails. There's a 2nd amendment for a reason.
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@ratofvengence I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You keep living in your country. I'll keep living in mine. You'd have a better understanding if you lived here.
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@ratofvengence I can't think of a country that doesnt have problems. I dont have misconceptions. You just are easily bought by the media.
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@ratofvengence That's simply an opinion. If anything, I was conditioned to hate America. But I've been able to do more here for who I personally am than in any other country. That's why I think it's the greatest. It's not a claim. Simply a belief.
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@bigmacwithoutcheese8851 Theres no dehumanization in stating exactly what it is. Grow up and handle the truth
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Nope. Talk to actual victims before making that assumption.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 Nope. And I'll never be
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 Because it does nothing for society.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 And thats something that can be done without the use of the death penalty.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 Its too expensive, its not a deterrent, it doesn't lower the crime rate, and there is no making up for putting an innocent person to death. It isn't useful or practical.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 It doesn't work. That has been continuously proven. Actuallt focusing on rehabilitation has proven to lower the crime rate much better than execution.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 No one is born a "menace of society". Menaces are created. The vast majority of people CAN be rehabilitated. And for those who can't be, we have life in prison.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 Then that's because you think one dimension, and I would say that makes you a shallow person.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 No, it implies that IF you think that way, that would be my response. Do not try that "doesn't get a joke". I actually KNOW people who believe that way.
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@superbitesizedbuckets2451 Which is fine. But I know people who literally believe that babies and young children should be banned in public. They actually despise them.
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Except you don't. Private sales exist.
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@cityfantv-everythingmancit2946 You mean the sucides, since nearly 70% of our "gun crimes" are suicide?
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@cityfantv-everythingmancit2946 Yeah no. That isn't true. We have no concise definition on a mass shooting. Many of these mass shootings had no casualties and only minor injuries. Not saying we didn't have mass shootings. But it was no where near the amount media wants tou to think.
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haohao A fact can be backed up with evidence. Nothing he said was fact. He was spouting beliefs and interrupted everyone when they disagreed with him.
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haohao Just because it's a fact to them doesn't make it a fact and doesn't make him any less of an ignorant asshole.
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haohao That is not the problem
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Pretty much everything you do is a sin, so seems to be a moot point. "Whos the standard for all morality?" Depends on what you believe. That being said, the God of the Bible certainly isn't moral, especially in the Old Testament. Nah fam. Pretty sure a dead carpenter can't help me. By the way, if I'm condemned because your God was too lazy to prove his existence, he's a monster.
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I don't understand how pro-life people think, so I guess we're even.
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There is when he's blatantly wrong and continues to tell her what she is when it is untrue in his delivery.
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The Bunny Man You aren't just agnostic and your friends probably aren't atheists. You're probably an agnostic atheist and your friends are probably anti theists, who are just as bad as deists.
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You mean how its done with a pill that you take? Or are you only citing late term abortions that are done for medical necessity on purpose? When you can't care for yourself, your child WILL be miserable. That is a fact. Life isn't valuable unless you place the value there. It is not inherent.
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@JohnSmith-px1fm Actually, no she wasn't. In fact, she believed for nearly 2 decades that was her little brother. Children CAN give birth. And if you are pro-life, you are against abortion in any circumstance.
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You still want to outlaw it for rape, otherwise you are a hypocrite. Condoms are 100% effective right? Sex is more than reproduction.
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Only if you buy from an FFL dealer. Private sellers often sell at shows and are under no obligation to provide a background check .
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@pusscat5161 I found no evidence of non-consensual euthanasia in Belgium. What I read was about people thinking it was wrong to let children opt for euthanasia, which it absolutely isn't. You do know we technically have "non-consenting euthanasia" right? They're called slow codes.
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@pusscat5161 No, I mean deliberately not helping a patient when it is not in their best interest, regardless of what they want. Hospitals have slow codes in place.
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@pusscat5161 Then yes. Like that. And frankly, I have a love hate relationship with slow codes
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Science.
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@petros1317 No it doesn't. They respond to outside stimiuli when cells are damage as all organic matter does. That is not pain
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Jordan Smart They don't feel pain. They can't feel anything. They have no brain or nervous system.
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@ratofvengence Way to not take into account all other factors. Also guess what crime Australia has that is nearly 7% more than the US? Rape. By the way, that "low homicide rate" you were talking about was in 2014. It rose in 2015, 16 and 17, and dropped off in 2018. Just like it has in the US. perhaps there's more to the picture than just guns?
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"Deadly toxic chemicals and biological waste" just shows that you have absolutely no clue what is in vaccines. Almost everything in them is something you are either naturally exposed to or the body itself makes. Vaccines do not make you immune to a disease. They protect you against complications from an illness and make you more likely to have a mild case should you get the condition. Herd immunity is protecting those who cannot be vaccinated by allowing most of the population to be vaccinated, because vaccines allow the body's own immune system to wipe out a condition before it becomes communicable. Your argument is invalid because a) you have little understanding of what a vaccine is and b) there is no evidence that vaccines cause severe illness. You may have reactions and side effects like any medication. And that is something the be aware of.
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Good thing it's no murder. You should learn the definitions of words befor you use them. Oh, by the way. Did you know you can be pro-choice AND anti-abortion?
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Actually if anything, pharmaceutical companies lose on vaccines, since they're free almost anywhere.
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Unless you go to a show that allows private sellers. Then you don't need a background check.
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Yes you can. Theres no background check on private sales in most states. And no, the laws dont need to be stricter. That's what leads to mass shootings.
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In most states, only if you're buying from an FFL licensed dealer.
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The argument, from an ethical perspective, isn't about being alive. Its about being sentient. Plants cannot feel or comprehend what happens when you pick them. Animale understand what's going to happen to them. Yes, plants react to outside stimuli. All living things do. That is no where comparable to the actual neurological capabilities of an animal. There is no such thing as being humanely killed when its against ones will.
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I'd say thats projection. I found the theists unintelligent and irritating. The atheists weren't trying to tell people what they were or twist their words.
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Sikkunt Generation No he wasn't. She lacks a belief in a God, so therefore she is an atheist. However, she also doesn't know if a God is real, therefore she is an agnostic. All people should be agnostic, but it's not a stand alone claim
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@scottpe6226 Natural infection to an active strain also carries a much more serious risk of potential spreading and life changing problems, things you claim to be afraid of vaccinations giving you.
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Why is it important? What benefit is there?
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You ever notice how so many people still can't pass a biology or a&p course because they don't know the difference between a fetus and a baby?
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They didn't acknowledge her either. Whats the point?
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I work in as an FI for a living, and I don't believe in the death penalty. I am well aware that evil people exist. I just know putting them to death isn't practical or beneficial.
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You mean the pediatrician who got his medical license suspended for falsifying vaccine information to parents? Like everything in life, vaccines come with risks. Its about outweighing the risks vs the benefits. You're chance of having a seizure after vaccination is 1/3000. Your chance of dying from a secondary infection caused by measles is 1/400. Is it worth the risk? The chemicals used in vaccines differ, and some things you mentioned aren't even used anymore in a majority of vaccines. I don't mind people choosing not to get vaccinated, but they should be held accountable if they hurt someone. And no one should tolerate lies and misinformation to scare you, on either side.
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That is terrible advice. No, not everyone can. Everyone's libido is not like yours. Sex isn't just for procreation.
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@taragonleaf8005 No, its not. Thats one reason we have sexual violence. No, not everyone can. Sex works differently for everyone. And you know that how? You're just making an assumption. Its for a lot more than procreation regardless of marriage. Sex doesn't just change because you get a legal document.
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@taragonleaf8005 Because most people who preach abstinence only have that point of view.
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You can buy faux leather.
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Well no. Not always. Private sales can occur at shows, and a majority of states don't require a background check on private sales. Depends on where you live and who's organizing.
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@joshuaoverlord5327 Okay? That doesn't negate what I said.
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She was an agnostic atheist, as most atheists are.
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Probably, because those two things have nothing in common. I'm a pro-choice vegan.
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In general, it can be. Its the leading cause of heart disease. Its just not the meat itself. Its how much people eat.
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Stop misusing language and telling a woman that her rights don't matter. Simple.
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@Jowo1616 Its not a baby. Baby means "post utero". Fetus.
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@Jowo1616 If we're being coloquial sure. We call it a baby. That doesn't make it correct language. I never said life doesn't begin at conception. Can you point out where I said that?
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@maireadbrady6501 Conception.
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@Jowo1616 Because abortion isn't unlawful, nor is a fetus considered human legally.
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@Jowo1616 Just because its alive from conception doesn't make something murder. Murder is a legal term, and must by definition be unlawful. Aborting a fetus is not unlawful, and is not murder. Killing does not always equate to murder.
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But whats the difference? Why is one okay to eat and the other isn't?
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@TheLegendOfRandy There are plenty of examples of in species parastism. In fact, one of the diseases we can see in human is called parasitic twinning.
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Thats depressing
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@garretttamez7656 War doesn't violate the Constitution and if you wanna be technical, neither does execution. Though I am against the death penalty
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That is a statement you have yet to prove.
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@NathanielClarkeson And thats hypocritical. If your against abortion because "fetus/baby doesn't deserve it", then they don't deserve it regardless. Also "selfish reasons"? How is not wanting to have a child you can't care for "selfish"?
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Original sin damns everyone, if you believe that.
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I don't see how either side isn't thinking for themselves.
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Just because someone is poly doesn't mean they can't marry or have someone that prioritizes them.
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@Ohfr_ Not necessarily.
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@Ohfr_ That's not true at all. The amount of love depends on the metamors and the polycule.
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Not if the sale is private. At least not in the majority of the states.
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@dluvv19761 Absolutely.
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Absolutely. You should research both sides and you should have the right to choose what goes into your child's body. On the flip side, a school should have the right to deny your child entry for being unvaccinated. You should also be responsible for any medical or legal trouble that occurs should your child suffer or cause harm to another child. If there are ingredients you do not like, ask your health care provider for options. Many of the vaccines can be given without cells or metals, if you are willing to pay a little more. The benefits outweigh the risk. But it should be up to you.
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Ahh but most of that grain goes to feed livestock. Not humans. So if you're making that argument, you would drastically cut down on those deaths by stopping livestock domestication. Don't care what you eat by the way. Just playing devil's advocate.
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Because you don't lose your human rights just because you steal someone else's. This is not the dark ages.
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@He loves you! You don't know the meaning of the word
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@He loves you! No, you really don't.
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@LemonAide I've never had a conversation end so suddenly.
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@LemonAide For starters, asexuals are attracted to people romantically. You don't have to be sexually intimate with a person to be romantic with them. Simple. I am romantically involved with my husband. We kiss, we cuddle, we hold hands. I wouldn't do that with my best friend.
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@LemonAide I see that.
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@LemonAide No, not necessarily. And I think people also misunderstand what asexuality is. It doesn't mean no sexual activity. It just means that I do not find any arousal in any sexual act, nor do I find my husband sexually attractive. You can have sex and be asexual. I don't think you would "hug and snuggle" a friend the way you would a romantic partner. If you want to call it sexual activity, that's fine. I still derive no turn on or pleasure from it. The best way I can put it is I am in love with my husband, whereas I am not in love with my friends.
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Conservativewoman White Guilt Human beings naturally have sex. To deny sex is to deny human nature. Protection doesn't always work, isn't always available, or sometimes can't be used. You shouldn't have the choice to kill a fetus? Then you shouldn't have the choice to kill a robber who comes into your house. No one uses abortion as birth control. They realize they are not mentally, emotionally or financially ready to care for a child. So rather than have it and abuse it, they choose to abort it when it is unable to feel. You don't want taxpayers to pay for abortions? Then your tax dollars should go to taking care of that child for 18 years.
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Hey guess what? You know one of the world's BIGGEST climate change deniers? The Catholic Church. Religion plays a small part in everything.
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You say that as if everyone who is on death row is actually guilty, when we statistically know that isn't true. So how do you justify the killing of an innocent person?
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Literally, no its not. In fact, its really easy. Its called a private sale.
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A vast majority of polyamorous relationships are non-sexual. I've never had sex with my partner. That is reserved for my husband.
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Except it has to be implanted in her uterus and is biologically attached to her while it develops that "seperate" body. Science is certainly not pro-life. Its also not pro-choice. Its neutral and its facts can be used to argue for or against. Also, pro-life is immoral. It wants to strip away a woman's rights and the rights of the dying.
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@Nothing-37125 Humans are just animals with a higher level of conscious. I fail to see how comparing us to pigs is wrong.
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@Nothing-37125 Humans are jsutnwjumals who got lucky during evolution. I fail to see the absurrid
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Technically, vaccination is already optional. Its not illegal to not vaccinate.
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No such thing as a good religion. Least not a right hand abrahamic one.
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Gender also has nothing to do with what your born with.
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I am perfectly happy raising twins in a polyamorous relationship.
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You don't even have to pay child support. This argument is so ridiculous. Petition to court and terminate your paternal rights.
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I can't speak for these specific vegans, but I'm vegan and pro-choice.
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@thomasray Because they have nothing to do with each other?
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@thomasray No its not. Especially not if your not an ethical vegan.
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@thomasray Abortion has to do with legal rights and a non-sentient fetus. Veganism, for some, has to do with not harming sentient life as much as possible. These two are not related.
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@thomasray Sentience: The ability to think and feel subjectively. Vegans don't have an issue with taking life. Plants are alive. What some find issue with is taking sentient life, and the hypocrisy of the "animal hierarchy".
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@joru2752 But they can, so your comment is irrelevant
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@liamturman Because its using her uterus. You'll have an argument when it can develop on its own and doesn't have to use someone else.
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stratcatstar No, the old man is an idiot who doesn't know what an agnostic atheist is.
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Only if they carry an FFL. Private sales, which is what the supposed gunshow loophole refers to, do not require background checks.
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No its not. Fact, not opinion.
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@jessegutierrez1869 Except its not. We know abstinence only stances are not effective.
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@jessegutierrez1869 It would be nice if it were that simple, but unfortunately it just isn't.
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Why are you pro death penalty at all? There is 0 reason for having it. "Can't be forgiven?" Who are you to make that decision? You weren't affected by these killers. You are strictly using an argument from emotion fallacy.
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So you're an agnostic atheist.
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Been a married poly woman for nearly a decade. Ask me anything.
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Well...humans are animals. So essentially, the only thing separating us is cognitive thoughtm
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@zsazsahall6390 Nope. That's also in the new Testamentwhich by the way still tells you to obey the old testament until Jesus returns. What I said about slavery? That was from Peter, which is the New Testament. Would you like some verses of atrocities in the new testament? I am an atheist. I was a Christian for most of my life before I realized how nasty of a person I was and how there was no evidence for God.
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@zsazsahall6390 There were not paid. God said that the slaves were to obey their masters no matter how cruel they were. God is all about love? If that's the case, Hell doesn't exist. And I suppose that he just suddenly changed, because the God of the old testament is a vicious monster. Oh wait. Here are some verses from your precious New Testament. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. Matthew 11 20-24 Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. Mark 16:16 Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." Luke 12: 46-47 I don't give a damn what you believe. If you think THIS is love, you are mentally unstable.
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@zsazsahall6390 I'm blaming God for his supposed own words. He is at fault. If Hell exists, then I would freely choose it over eternity with a sexist, racist, capricious, tyrannical, evil monster.
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You do realize that with our system, you pay more taxdollars to execute them than you do to put them in prison for life, correct?
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@tigersteeth29 Its not the injection. It's the appeals process. And to lower the appeals raises your risk of executing an innocent person.
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@tigersteeth29 And the imperfection of the justice system is one of the reasons I cannot stand with the pro capital punishment group.
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@taylorfischer9521 Because you seem to a) not understand that pro-life doesn't just apply to abortion and b) seem to think that its better to live a miserable existence rather than never live at all.
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Its not unless it meets certain circumstances. Most deaths involving a pregnant woman will have the charge of "unlawful termination of a pregnancy" not "double homicide". Also, its because during an abortion, there is consent on the part of the mother. She is engaging in her right to bodily autonomy.
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@brownbrownbrown2938 As a person with a degree in Chemistry...yes. Yes I do.
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Its not wrong nor is it selfish. Its selfish to want to possess another person if they have love for more than one person. The thing to remember about polyamory is all parties need to be consenting. I love my husband and boyfriend more than almost anything, as they do me. Our relationship works.
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No we aren't.
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No one has to be vegan, but to answer your question, its because animals that are not herbivores have a nutritional need for meat whereas humans do not.
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@iLeona296 You can get plenty of protein in vegan foods.
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Humans are not obligate omnivores. You do not need meat to be healthy unless you live in a society where you cannot get these nutirents from plants. Everything you listed can be found in vegan foods or in other ways, with the exception of B-12. These things are just easier to find and for your body to use in meat. We are not the top of the food chain. That's not how trophic levels function. I am vegan and take 0 supplements. You're just frankly uneducated.
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For the love of all that is holy, I hope you're joking.
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Except those things are not comparable.
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Please don't bring a being into it that has never been proven to exist.
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No one has an innate sense of morality because objective morality does not exist.
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It should be considered but no. Its not always an optiom nor does it guarantee a happy life.
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Why do people always strawman the abortion argument?
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But there are vegan inks. And knowing how extreme she is, she probably got vegan ink.
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You didn't get sick because you had the flu shot. Correlation does not equal causation
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Claire C She was also an atheist, because she doesn't believe. You aren't just an agnostic.
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PsychoticNinja7 You are never just an agnostic. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic. An agnostic is a knowledge claim whereas atheism is a belief claim. She, like most, is an agnostic atheist, a person who doesn't know whether or not a God exists but doesn't believe in one.
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@Machiavelli876 No, I'm not a nihilist. I'm realistic. No, you have no intrinsic value. You are not valuable just because you're born. No, the government defined what they BELIEVED to be self-evident. It also used the term believe. That didn't make them right, and that's why the option for abortion is out there. I'm all for everything before abortion. But I understand why abortions happen. And I would be happy to one day seeing an end to abortion.
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We don't have to be however. We just have both types of teeth.
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Yet 96% of abortions take place before 9 weeks. So...I fail to see your point.
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Ummm yes we are.
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@loudy12 What...do you think mammals are? They're a classification of animals...
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@loudy12 Animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. I'm sorry, but we are scientifically animals.
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@loudy12 ...Organic matter includes meat. You realize this right? Organic matter is anything with carbon in it.
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@loudy12 And you believe everything in the Bible?
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@loudy12 No. I'm an atheist
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@loudy12 Nah I'm good thanks.
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The only nutrient you cannot get on a vegan based diet is B12. You can get those in fortified milks. I don't care what you eat, but stop the lies. Some vegans do take supplements and so do meat eaters. No vegan I know, including myself, takes supplements.
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Let me educate you. NO THERE AREN'T
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The government decides if its murder or not. That is literally the definition of murder.
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Nel Pack Perro Because it isn't about life. It's about sentience. People don't seem to understand that murder and killing do not have the same meaning. A fetus is not a child.
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Care more about the quality of life. Stop thinking death is the worst possible option.
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Veganism is a diet. Technically its also a lifestyle. I don't get how not wanting to eat animal products is crazy.
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@terrortorn Most vegans are content with just living life by their standards. I'm sorry if you delt with the extremists. Byr the extremists are not the majority and should not be treated as such.
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@terrortorn Thats not true in the slightest. The only face you choose to see are the extremists. I think the hypocrisy of the animal pedestal is hypocritical, but I don't think its outright wrong. You have different morals than I do. Arguing from that is illogical.
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@terrortorn How is my choice not to eat meat a fallacy? How is the clear hypocrisy a fallacy? You're so far up your own ass you can't comprehend why people would choose this lifestyle.
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@sayajinmamuang Thats not a difference. I don't deny there MIGHT be a "creator" but I do not believe there is
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It is not an atheists job to disprove anything as atheism is not a positive claim. You cannot disprove a negative. You can, however, prove God. And God has yet to do so. As far as I am concerned, God does not exist.
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@therealleddy364 No. They don't. Condoms have an 90 to 95% effectiveness. And rape/incest/medical problems make up about 2.3% of abortions combined. Thats still millions of people. So yes. It can be used as a point.
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This whole thing is a mess. First off, very few woman use abortion as birth control. Its expensive and isn't covered by health insurance. Secondly, most polyamorous relationships are closed relationships. You're right. If you fall for someone when you are monogamous and your partner is not, the relationship will not work. But that works both ways. Generalized statements are weak. I know plenty of women who struggle with relationships and sex, and know plenty of men who find it extremely easy to get laid. You kinda sound like an incel. No, your simply showing that you have fallen in love with more than one person. If 2 people make me equally happy, why should I be forced to pick between them? You clearly aren't aware how most open or poly relationships actually work...
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There are currently 44,000 children waiting to be adopted on any given day. If the number was as high as you claimed, there would be no unwanted children. But the fact is, only 13% of people who start the adoption process will ever go through with it. Also, newborns do indeed go into the foster care system. We have nurserys specifically because of that. Anyone who thinks that newborns only get privately adopted is just ignorant. Finally, adoption is not solution to pregnancy.
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Thats not how one scientifically determines a food chain. We are not at the top. We are near the middle.
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The death penalty is not a deterrent to criminals. This has been continuously disproven. It only "deters" those that would have never comitted the crime in the first place.
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Lizzie Allen You know absolutely nothing about the law concerning adoption, do you?
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You can't be both. They are opposites.
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@dustinellerbe4125 I'm only telling you what the definitions of the positions are. These terms have established definitions that you do not get to change. Don't be ashamed to talk about your position. Just understand what the terms are. You are pro-choice. But thats only surface level.
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@dustinellerbe4125 I do understand.
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@Depressed Papaya That doesn't change the fact that their views are misguided and harmful. These people dhould be the most pro-vaccine.
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You do realize that people are prosecuted BASED on their intent during a crime right? Thats why there's a difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder.
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You don't have to supplement if you do it right. You do have to compliment.
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@mikeoxlittle1779 It varies from state to state. I have never been to a show that issues background checks, but I live in a lax state for guns.
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Because capital punishment is more expensive.
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Because being stabbed is so much better. I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you'd ever experienced them both.
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"You cant just take someone's life". If you believe that, and you support capital punishment, you're a hypocrite.
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Its always a clump of cells. "Heartbeat" isn't even accurate. You can't even hear it at 6 weeks. What you're seeing on a sonagram is electrical impulses from the cells of the fetus that will form what will be the pacemaker for the heart. This is entirely controlled by the mother.
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@SaiyanMonkeyDude Imagine not understanding that abortion is dealing with the consequences.
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@SaiyanMonkeyDude I never said I was a liberal, and I myself am asexual. Also, when did drugs become a part of this? I'm all for ending the drug war. Also, abortion does come with consequences, both emotionally and monetarily.
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Probably because your head is up your ass and you can't be bothered to look up the definition of murder.
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Because he's rude, arrogant, disrespectful and uneducated? The same reason I don't like Christine. She's abrasive.
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Oops McGee Irony isn't the word. Hypocritical is more accurate.
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I would like to see the evidence of "thousands" of those convicted of 1st degree murder getting released, especially in developed countries. I don't doubt that some have, but I feel like you're pulling that number out of your ass.
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@mikker29y Even if we're talking over "centuries" that number is still low. Centuries ago, you just would have been executed for 1st degree murder. No when people talk about how many people have been wrongfully executed, they are talking about only in the US (usually) and only since the death penalty has been reinstated. If we're talking centuries, the number of wrongful convictions is in the thousands.
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Abortion is just as responsible as motherhood or adoption. Its recognizing you cannot care for another life. What's irresponsible, is to bring a life into this world you cannot properly care for.
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losers only I think most pro lifers are annoying cunts who want to but into other people's business and failed basic biology.
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Tell that to people who kill who are mentally ill or handicapped.
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@julienwilliamson5194 I'm not saying you have a lot of gun violence. I'm just saying that to claim you have no guns is a lie. By the way, automatic guns are banned in the US as well, and have never been used in a mass shooting.
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@julienwilliamson5194 Yes. Most handguns are semi-automatic.
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Humans are not carnivores, so that word means nothing here.
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Technically, they would state that it is a human life at the moment of successful implantation. Not at conception.
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Except the states that have the strictest gun laws are the ones that have the highest gun HOMICIDE rate. Know what a majority of those "gun deaths" are? Suicides.
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@Rallosz That statement is not factually inaccurate. A vast majority of "gun deaths" are suicides and the US is the ONLY country that includes suicide and accidental discharge deaths in their gun statistics. 2016, the last year for which the CDC provides numbers, 22,938 people committed suicide by firearm, while 14,415 people died in gun homicides. Historical data shows it’s been this way for a while.
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Execution is NOT cheaper than a life sentence and that is very easily debunked. Those who actually get the death penalty feel no guilt in a majority of cases.
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@JTStonne You aren't just paying for the cost of the execution. You pay to house the death row inmate and the unlimited appeals offered to them.
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Yes you can. In most states, a background check is only required if you're buying from a gun store or an FFL licensed dealer. I've never had a background check on any of my firearms.
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No he wasn't. She is an atheist who is also agnostic.
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No he wasn't.
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You could certainly support the entire planet on vegan/vegetarian food. But to each their own.
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Abortion is not murder. Murder, by definition, is unlawful. Killing =/= murder. No, most women get abortions because they are well enough to know they cannot care for a child. That is taking responsibility. And humans are selfish. That's no inherently bad. You need to come first in your own life. Of course you won't be replying. Because you have no argument.
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@fluchtigziege3202 Lazy writing.
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@fluchtigziege3202 You can keep going.
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You make an ignorant statement that has been debunked countless times. While I have no problem with you believing in the death penalty, to say it is "correct ground" to be pro-death penalty and that "the death penalty is needed" is a claim you must back up with evidence that you do not possess. The fact remains that capital punishment is not a deterrent, does not affect crime rate, and is more expensive than life in prison.
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@MrMcHoonter Yes, because I know that doesn't happen. No one has ever escaped a maximum security prison, which I know is where they would be going. I could ask if your comfortable knowing they could escape from death row. Your questions are invalid, because they depend on the idea of escape. But then I could turn around and as the same for death row.
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Agnosticism isn't a middle ground because it isn't a stand alone position. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@teamatfort444 No, not everyone. But everyone should be.
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Thats called being a hypocrite.
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So waste more taxpayer money to put them to death? Makes sense..
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It wouldn't reduce death. In fact, it would make death much more likely. Ever wonder why those school shootinga happen in states woth strict gun laws?
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@Skulldetta If the entire contry was a gun free zone, you would see a rise in gun homicide. Also, most school shootins are performed with legally purchased firearms. You cannot carry a firearm over state lines. Thats a felony right there. When you restrict citizens from owning guns, you only help criminals.
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Uhhh no. They have extremely low gun crime rates. Drugs are a huge problem in Australia. Domestic violence and child abuse has increased by 5.5% in Germany.
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@Demiligne That actually isn't true. I'm not saying having a gun would lower domestic violence. There's no study on that. My point was contradicting the original poster in that places with strict gun laws have "low" crime rates.
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@ratofvengence But that would be a lie.
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@ratofvengence And that still wouldn't be true.
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@Demiligne But that isn't true either. But I won't debate with people who are so closed minded to other solutions. If its not your country, don't worry about it.
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@Demiligne Possibly. It does in some areas and in others turns domestic abuse into 2nd degree murder.
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@galaxygod9962 I don't deny the gun ownership rate, but our crime rate has been on thr decline for years. Depends on what crimes you're referring to. The fact is you don't know anything about whats happening here. You just listen and believe what you hear.
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You dont have to forgive. You shouldn't be pushed to forgive. But you also shouldn't want to put another innocent family through the pain you went through
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@cloroxbleach5159 He can pay without being put to death. You have killed someone. You've just gone about it legally.
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@cloroxbleach5159 A prosecutor doesn't seek the death penalty without speaking to the family. So you did kill someone. Just legally.
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@cloroxbleach5159 That may be your opinion, but is not an opinion shared by everyone. Regardless of how you want to spin it, you are putting another family through the same pain you went through. I think that's ethically wrong. But we have different opinions.
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Yes there is. Being vegan lowers your risk of heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, complications related to obesity and most cancers. That being said, if you eat healthy and in moderation, you won't have a high risk for those things anyway. I don't think I'm better than you, but making false claims makes you look weak.
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That depends on person to person. "Christians" are also very often known for stealing from charaties and setting up false donations to collect money. Atheism or religion is never the sole basis for someone's generosity.
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@jsm530 You do know Bill Gates is a Christian right?
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@jsm530 No, I don't care what you are. I think its unfounded and disingenuous to make blanket statements based on anecdotal evidence. I have met amazing people from all religious backgrounds. I have also met vile people from all religious backgrounds. One of my main contributions, since I know what it feels like, is donating to cancer research and to help find kids homes. Not only that, I work as an FI. My job is LITERALLY to help bring closure to victims and families.
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@jsm530 Yep. I am proud to be a cancer survivor. 14-18 years old.
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Animals need to eat other animals. They have a nutritional need. You, as a human, do not. Just playing devil's advocate.
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@LeuBlue Not unless you live in a place where you cannot get access to certain foods or supplements. You certainly don't need meat if you live in the US.
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@LeuBlue nope. I'm an atheist.
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@LeuBlue Then perhaps there's a point. But we aren't talking about 3rd world. We're talking about first world. I personally don't care what people eat. I just like to correct misinformation.
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No its not. Not in the states at least.
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@ravenfighter9157 Sometimes. But yet people are dying to get here. I wonder why
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@ravenfighter9157 Third and first as well.
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@CocoTaveras8975 You do realize that abortions are almost never performed surgically right? Only late term abortions are, and thwy are done nearly exclusively for medical reasons. 96% of abortions are done before the end of the first trimester, and its literally done via medication. Yeah. Beautiful life. You're making a lot of assumptions there. You are just assuming that wvery fetus will be normal, and thats not accurate. Abortion is often performed because the mother realizes the child WON'T have that life you just described. Its not that it was worth nothing. Its the potential life wasn't worth the pain and suffering it would have experienced. How selfish do you have to be to believe YOU get to decide what happens with someone else's body? No, its not murder. Murder is a legal term, and you don't get to change the definition just because you don't like it. No one is killing a baby. They're terminating (or killing) the development of a non-sentient fetus. Quit pretending your morally superior. You take life every day. By the way, pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion. I know several people who are anti-abortion but pro-choice. I WISH my mother had aborted me. I wouldn't have cared and it would have saved me a miserable existence and much pain and suffering. And to ignore the people who feel this way because you lived a priviledged life with everything you needed and parents who loved you is vile. The SC will never overturn Roe v Wade. Both the President and the SC have already stated as such. Abortion is a Constitutional right.
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Ethan Walker Because there is a difference between a non sentient fetus and a sentient human. Even if that human is a criminal. Abortion, just like execution, is not murder. I am pro choice because I have witnessed and experienced the consequences first hand of having a child you cannot care for.
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@dymuzalonmateeth1725 Thats...literally not what he said.
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@andyscott15 Then show me this evidence. Because I find 0 evidence for a God.
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@andyscott15 The simple answer is, I don't know. But this world and universe is far from perfect. Thats also called the God of the Gaps fallacy. You know why we have never found a cure for the common cold? Evoultion. The virus evolves. You know why our DNA is 98% similar to a chimpanzee? Evoultion. Evoultion is a fact, and it doesn't necessarily mean there's no God.
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I call it "terminating life". So what? Life isnt the issue. Sentience is.
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Being vegan and being pro-choice have nothing to do with one another.
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Not for private sales and they often occur at shows.
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Tim Account Completely agree.
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Death row has never been a deterrent. That is an absolute lie. Crime, especially homicide, has been consistently lower in non death penalty states since the 90s.
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@clementine7655 https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-about-deterrence-and-death-penalty
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Prove a heaven exists first.
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There are multiple genders. You can be both, neither, or lean one way or the other. What would you call someone who has a chromosomal mutation?
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@pinkkittyluvr She stated she did not believe in a God. Thats what an atheist is.
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You realize you pay more in tax payer money to execute right? I'd rather spend less, thank you.
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Because sex is about more than baby making?
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@Itz Noel No its not.
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@Itz Noel Consequences? Potential pregnancy and STI's. What does that have to do with abortion?
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@Itz Noel Yes, but that wasn't what I said. I said that pregnancy wasn't the only reason people have or the body wants sex.
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@Itz Noel It can be for reproduction. It can also simply be for pleasure. Plenty of human bodies want sex when the same human minds do not want children. By the way, sex doesn't always feel good.
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@redredred8408 Never said they were.
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Yeah...Gods thoughts of rape, murder, slavery, and sexism...sounds like God is high on something.
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And yet its crime rate went up that year, its got a drug problem, and the government bought back about 60 percent of its guns.
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Not true. You cannot purchase a gun from a gun show without a background check only if you're buying from a dealer. Gun shows also do private sales, which most states do not need background checks for.
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The rest of the world hasn't banned guns, and the reason we don't is because we are smart enough to understand that banning guns will neither lower crime, nor stop criminals from getting guns.
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@aashna2465 The vast majority of abortions are done via a pill that forces the body to essentially miscarry. Are all pro-lifers just manipulative liars?
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@christiandong3778 I never said a fetus wasn't human. It is. So what? You do realize that DNR's and hospital slow codes exist right? You find issue with them? No, its her uterus. Without which a fetus cannot exist. Its HER body. And also, no. Its not a baby.
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@Uhreallymydude A fetus is the unborn offspring of any mammal. If we're being honest and technical, a baby is the offspring of a human POST utero. Meaning after birth. Colloquially, sure. Its a baby. Medically and technically its a fetus.
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Gotta prove a "Lord" exists.
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As a failed abortion, absolutely yes. I would have lacked the capability to care had my abortion been successful. This is just for me personally.
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Technically it does, but its misnamed and not a loophole.
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@mr.obamium8074 That isn't true. Private sales of firearms have no legal obligation to perform a background check. Learn your laws.
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No, there aren't. There is nothing that you need that cannot be gotten in a vegan diet, either naturally or through fortification.
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And what you fail to realize is the phrase "no one will have guns" is an impossible achievement. No, everyone wouldnt be safer. You know why innocent people die? Because they aren't allowed to carry guns. The mass shootings we have take place in gun free zones and heavily gun restricted states No one would dare shoot up a place here, because they'd be shot the instant they tried. Know why? Because everyone carries guns here
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No, it's not false. B12 can be added to fortified milks. Unless you're counting those as supplements, in which case almost everyone takes supplements. I have never been healthier as a vegan and take 0 supplements.
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@travisjohnson7065 Your subjective opinion means nothing to anyone but you.
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Yes...?
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@frishter A fetus cannot give consent and is chattle, therefore consent does not apply.
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@frishter A fetus doesn't need to consent, because it is property. It also can't consent to life and birth, so the point is moot. So what about slow codes? Where doctors will refuse patients they know they cannot save? Should they be imprisoned for that?
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@youssefadel5491 Because it isn't sentient and isn't a person. Yes, it is alive and yes it is human. That means nothing. Personally, abortion is an option I hope is a last resort for all, but is ultimately a decision of the pregnant person.
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@frishter Just because its property doesn't mean it doesn't have value to the people close to it. I'm only telling you what it legally is, and why abortions remain in effect. My cat is property, and means more to me than most humans. I don't want you to misunderstand. These aren't false comparisons. The OP said you didn't have a right to end human life. Which just isn't true. Morally you may not agree, but rights are legal sanctions, not moral ones. They just play a part in our morality. When you refuse aid on the basis you don't believe you can help, you are intentionally ending a life. You are not doing what you could to potentially save it. Why do you think abortion has never been outlawed? Because it is a legal right and because a fetus is property. That's just the fact of the matter.
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No...not really. Some do, but not all.
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Raa16 I would argue that is not the case actually and its actually the minority that needs to be part of something bigger to find meaning.
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@tp7506 Just because you define it that way doesn't mean thats what it is. You wouldn't take anyone's person experience with Allah, Odin or Anubis as fact. You develop a belief based on your own experiences, but facts are backed up by evidence that can be tested in multiple scenarios and get the same results. Your beliefs are not facts. They do not fit the definition of a fact.
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@Mstoyor1 They could be, but at this time, they aren't because they have not be demonstrated. They may be your facts, but they are not facts in reality. That's what they were trying to say. Because if you took their God as fact, you would disprove Christianity. Its a monotheistic religion with one God. You may tell them thats their facts (beliefs), but not a fact of reality. I want to find out the truth and blind faith does not lead to that. The Bible, to me, is evil. I was a Christian for most of my life and lost my faith trying to get closer to God. By the way, personal experience is not evidence. God may your fact, but he is not a fact of reality. And thats why people found Jeremy irritating. Because he was claiming God being real was a fact to reality.
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@tp7506 T P No, its just that facts must be demonstrated and proven to be accepted as fact in reality. God may be real, but he has yet to be proven as fact. And to say God is real and a fact makes you a liar. Being born gay is a fact. Not a belief. It has been demonstrated numerous times that someone cannot just on a whim be attracted to a gender or sex. I'm not interested in people taking vague understands and fitting in God. Thats a fallacy. Give me some proof that a God, specifically YOUR God, exists and I'll be more than open to changing my view.
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@tp7506 Because it has been proven by the scientific method. Whether you want to except that fact is up to you. Many deny evolution, but that is also a proven fact. Its called cognitive dissonance. You are stating a belief. Not a fact. To you, your beliefs may be fact. To reality, they're not. Actually, neither of us could be right. There could be a God that isn't the Christian one. That would make us both wrong. No, I don't have a complex with being right. I am perfectly capable admitting when I'm wrong. What I don't like is dishonesty. I have no belief. I lack a belief in God. If you believe your God is fact, demonstrate and prove it. Quit being dishonest.
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Except belief isn't truth necessarily.
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@firstpcf I do not know the law in most countries. I'm referring to the US.
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@Shrimp_Insurance Did you know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion?
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@mo.ka.9661 Yes they can. You can literally petition the court to terminate your parental rights. You just no longer receive the benefits that come with a child should you choose to do it.
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If it works for you great. If not, then stating that leads to potential sexual violence.
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And what benefit does that provide?
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Not really. Science can't back up any side to abortion, because its framed as a moral issue. Sceince can be used as talking points, but it can't prove which side is correct.
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Contraception isn't an option for everyone, nor does it always work. Plan B isn't availabe to everyone. Most abortions happen begore the end of the first trimester. A non-sentient fetus that is developing by parasitizing me is my right. Abortion is just as responsible as contraception, adoption or motherhood. Having a child you cannot care for, therefore leading to neglect and abuse is NOT responsible.
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Your opinion on whether or not someone deserves death should not dictate the law.
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@spiredsword52e24 I don't care if people have opinions. What I care about is people thinking their opinion should dictate a law when their opinion doesn't serve a function.
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@spiredsword52e24 "I support the death penalty for rapists and cold blooded murderers" That would be letting their opinion dictate the law. "They should die because I think these crimes don't deserve help."
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Agnostic what? Agnostic is not a stand alone term. Everyone who is honest is an agnostic.
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@nunyabusiness8802 thats...exactly what I said. She's both...
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@UCMtnddiozn5M3U-ic2tHptA Of course it does. But they are so vague, that they can be applied to anything, and aren't prophecies at all. Give me one specific detail exlusive to the Bible that is prophetic. Isreal becoming a nation is not specific. If it said specific dates, I might be impressed. By the way, scientists haven't discovered the universe having a beginning. We still don't know if it had a beginning. And even if it did, the Bible is certainly not the only holy text that makes that claim. No, saying there is no evidence is just the truth.
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You seem to confuse colloquial definitions with philosophical definitions. Saying "I don't believe" is not "I believe in a negative". "There is no God" =/= "I don't believe in God." Both of these are atheistic positions.
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You're also an atheist by defintion, since you lack a belief in God. Agnostic is an adjective, not a noun.
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@stvckzzxo An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a god or gods. An agnostic describes a person who knows that the existence of God cannot be known.
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@scottp7256 And the evidence proves them wrong. So that's not an opinion.
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Unique Musique I think if you just do good in the world, regardless of acknowledging and creator or Jesus, you don't need to worry about hell
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But there is no murder, so...
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While I don't care what you eat, that viewpoint just seems hypocritical to me. Why are some animals food while others aren't? Why are some special?
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No, its not murder. And calling it such is factually inaccurate, so as it applies in the states. Also, you lose the argument when you bring in religion, as you have yet to prove that religion true.
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@adfmo2195 1. No it isn't. It does not fit the established definition of murder. Whether or not you want to call it murder does not make it true. I would advise you actually look up the definiton of murder. Killing does not always equate to murder. 2. You lose when you use religion as thr foundation for your argument, as your religion as not been proven valid. That was my point.
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Technically it does exist. It just really isnt a loophole. There is just no federal mandatory background checks on private sales, who often sell at gunshows.
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Boss Noobking Not entirely sure I believe that. I've seen people actually defending the old man.
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I'm on disabilty and food stamps, and make less than a 9-5 in a month, and I'm vegan. You don't need supplements if you compliment properly. It depends more on location as opposed to income.
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On a technical sense there "is". But its not a loophole. It just deals with private sales not needing a background check.
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You've never had a threatening sickness, in part, because everyone around you is vaccinated. Herd immunity exists. I don't believe most of your story, but I'll assume you're telling the truth. There are side effects to every medication. That is like saying "don't wear a seatbelt because seatbelts can break ribs". Its a risk benefit analysis. You don't get the flu from a vaccine. You get the flu by being exposed to the influenza virus, a virus that KILLS nearly 40,000 people a year. Want to know a way to prevent you from getting the flu or to lower your severity? The vaccine.
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How about the verses in the Bible that condone abortion? Oh wait, those are metaphors right? Everything you DON'T agree with is a parable right?
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Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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IssyFishyy Thats not how conjoined twinning works. They may have two developing hearts fused together, but conjoined twins like this almoat always die in utero or shortly after birth
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IssyFishyy Because I don't answer unrealistic hypothetical questions. Your question would entirely depend on how the heart was formed.
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@Humanity Galatica Why does what matter? Why does bodily autonomy matter? Because you have a right to everything that goes on in and with your body.
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1. No one cares. 2. Sorry that the right to bodily autonomy disturbs you. Doubt you would like being forced to donate blood and organs. 3. Sounds like a shitty organization who wants to control people. 4. That is called emotional manipulation. The only reason you care now is because you have life experiences. Had your mother actually aborted you, you would not have cared. 5. The movie Unplanned is disgusting propaganda that has been continuously debunked. Abortions just don't happen that way. You aren't right for being pro-life. You're simply anti bodily autonomy.
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@alanbourbeau24 I wasn't trying to be helpful or encouraging. I was pointing out flaws and disagreements with your sentiments as well as some flat out lies.
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The birth parents would legally have to hash it out.
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@thenrealitysaid3609 That isn't a point though. The pther parties are still involved in the child's life.
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Less people dying of a weapon doesn't mean anything when your homicide rate is still on the rise. Sorry, but you're much less likely to die from a bullet than a knife.
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@simonesanchi300 They have a lower homicide rate because they have less people. But London's homicide rate topped NYC. Because there's such a knife epidemic
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@simonesanchi300 That is true. You can't possibly have an accurate measurement if you're comparing two countries who's population sizes are different. If we look at individual percentage ratings, those in Europe have climbed whereas the US has fallen. We don't have a gun problem.
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@a.t6066 What gun did I buy? A .22 handgun. It was my first gun after I finished my safety training.
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No? Thats a subjective opinion. Value isn't prescriptive. Its descriptive.
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No it isnt in most states. Private sellers are not required by law to provide a background check.
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@wizardboy724 If no gunshow has ever asked for a background check, how is the loophole fake news?
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@wizardboy724 I never said that no gunshow asks for a background check. You said that. Whether or not a background check is required depends on what state you're in and who your buying the firearm from.
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Are you being rhetorical?
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And yet capital punishment costs three times as much. So what's the argument?
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@travisjohnson7065 Because slavery is a violation of the constitution.
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@parthenon5106 Stawmanning the argument as usual.
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@gulserensmsk Then you aren't pro-life. Pro-life by definition is against abortion in any circumstances. And no, I have found many pro lifers who believe it is actually very noble for a mother to die to give her fetus a chance at life.
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@RachelDee The only definition of pro-life is a person who opposes abortion and euthanasia. People just want to try and change that definition so they don't get called out. But you don't get to.
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No offense, because one of my very best friends lives in thr UK, but personally? I'd rather be shot than stabbed. Much less painful and less likely to be fatal.
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No one is glorifying the fact that they're a convict. They're glorifying the fact that their lives have turned around, and prison helped make them who they are. They aren't proud of their crimes. They're proud of the people they became.
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@sabrinahardin9115 Pro-life with a few exceptions is still pro-choice.
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I wonder if the conspiracy theorists know that correlation does not equal causation and it is far more likely that these conditions are genetic? By the way, arthritis has never been linked to vaccines and vaccines can cause seizures in response to the initial injection. These, however, are nearly always temporary.
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But most animals that eat animals are carnivores and are required to eat meat.
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@PeaceDweller And this is why I said most. There's nothing wrong with being vegan. Theres a problem with being a pushy vegam
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Uhh no. You can get it from red meat too. Most cardiovascular problems are caused by plaque buildup from fatty foods, the most common being red meat and fried foods. Meat isn't inherently bad. But too much of it certainly is.
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Then you would be objectively wrong.
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I wonder why. Maybe because they're proved to work?
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Green_shamrockz 1. Abortion is not murder, as it is not unlawful. 2. You have to prove a God exists first. 3. A fetus is not a child.
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Green_shamrockz 1. If it's legal, then it isn't murder since by definition, murder is UNLAWFUL. You can make an argument that it's killing. But it's not murder. 2. You know he does? How do you know this? How do you know you're worshipping the right God? You don't. You don't know. You simply believe. 3. Medically and scientifically, it's not. It is a fetus. Medically, it isn't a baby until after birth. I don't believe in late term abortions. However, if you are financially, emotionally or physically unable to care of that child, than i would rather a fetus, which amounts to a parasite at the time of most abortions, be aborted, than the child be born and either a) die to abuse and neglect or b) grow up to abuse and neglect someone else.
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If that story is true, which I doubt, but if it is, no. He got fired for giving false information. That child would have developed autism with or without the shots. Autism is GENETIC.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 That's still a hypocrite by definition, which is not inherently a bad thing. We have all done things that we have then told others not to do. Still doesn't make the pro-life position right.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 When one is trying to outlaw a practice they had the luxury of participating in, that his hypocrisy. Thats not stretching anything. And how do you know its years or decades? You don't. You're making assumptions. For whatever reason, they want to take away from others an act they participated in. Advice is still, often, hypocritical. Everyone is a hypocrite with something.
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No, its just being honest. All organic matter are clusters of cells, and a fetus isn't a baby. Regardless of what you call it, most women still feel negative emotions after an abortion. Thats a position almost no one wants to be in.
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No, he wasn't right. Because he called her agnostic instead of atheist. She is both, just like you are. Your last sentence literally contradicts your entire point. Based on your definition, you wouldn't be an atheist. You would be agnostic. But you're not. You're both.
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You don't in all cases.
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@thomasporter6123 You don't. Private sales exist. All 3 of my firearms were purchased privately. Never have I had a background check. You should really learn the difference between state and federal laws, because you make pro-gun look weak.
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@myfarminmybackyardgunners636 Private gun sales are not illegal, unless you are unlawfully selling them. Please, do some research. Background checks are fine. My point was they are only required by law if a) you are buying from a dealer to comply with their FFL or b) your state puts restrictions on private sales. How about you do your research? Because you actually haven't.
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@jessie9775 I literally never said they weren't people. Human fetuses are people, babies are people. Yes, they are alive. So is grass, bugs, and animals you eat. They aren't sentient. Thats the point. It is terminating a life. So what?
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Or have bought from a private dealer at a gun show and not had a background check and assume thats the norm.
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rule the slejj please stay in school. You need it.
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Actually, I do have that right. I have a right to be rid of something that I cannot handle. If Jesus does that, He s a scumbag asshole who doesn't give a shit about the quality of life my child would have. Guess what? Some women can't take contraception. I should have to repress my urges for You? Fuck you. You want to see an end to abortion. I do as well. So focus on treating the reasons for abortion. Then women won't have to get them.
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While I'm no longer a vegan, why feel sorry? Its what made me happy and was overall better for me.
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@gaijincoordinator2922 The problem I have then is it isn't lies. Being vegan is better for the planet and in general, cutting down on meat consumption or cutting it out completely is healthier.
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@totallysoulless6110 Sure, thats true. But the argument now is that you no longer need meat as you once did.
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Okay, so assuming I believe you, your anecdotal evidence means nothing. It is simply your personal experience. I know several women who have had abortions and it helped them turn their life around. And although they miss their unborn, they realize it was for the best.
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Lizzie Allen I'm well aware.
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Shadow Plays Adoption isn't always an option anymore. Agencies turn away children because of overcrowding. No one wants an abortion, but right now, it may be a woman's only option.
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Its conflated with rights because its a rights issue. You do not have the right to live at the expense of someone else without consent.
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The unborn isnt conscious and has no ability to make decisions or feel. There are ground rules. Abortion should be outlawed when the fetus is sentient.
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The death penalty is never necessary. Facts are not on your side there. He could be put in prison for life and no one else would need their throats slit. By the way, prison doesn't help anyone psychologically.
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@charliethomas3214 Self-defense has nothing to do with capital punishment. 2. We change people all the time when you put time and effort into rehabilitation.
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@charliethomas3214 Capital punishment is death by the state, not self defense. Those two things are not comparable. Most murders are 2nd degree, done in extreme emotional situations. I work as an FI with killers. I know some don't want or cannot change. That is not the majority. That still doesn't mean we need a death penalty. Its too expensive, not a deterrent and doesn't lower crime rate.
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I don't have a mental problem just because I have a different perspective, asshole.
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Because most vegans are normal as well
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@tiagotrindade2880 I don't eat grass. I just abstain from animal products
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No, because a cheetah and a bear need meat to be healthy nutritionally. Humans do not. You eat meat because you want to. Not becauae you need it.
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No you don't.
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@gus195 There are plenty of vegan foods high in iron. Legumes have more iron than 3 ounces of beef.
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Being poly does not equate to cheating. Stop lying to spin a narrative.
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@Humanity Galatica You know damn well that's a lie. The number of children waiting to be adopted far outweigh those looking to adopt.
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Asra Abdulahi That isn't the issue. His opinions aren't the problem. It's stating his beliefs as fact and cutting people off, trying to tell people what they are that's the problem. The point of this is to give perspective, not state your beliefs as fact and interrupt anyone who disagrees with you.
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Asra Abdulahi There is no evidence for a God, let alone for which God is right. No, she isn't using the incorrect definition. She lacks a belief in a God. Therefore she is an atheist. Moral objectivity doesn't exist. It's subjective.
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Asra Abdulahi No. Morality is subjective. There is no such thing as objective morality. You clearly misread my statement, so don't call me uneducated when you can't read.
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Asra Abdulahi No, objective morality doesn't exist. Morality is a subjective concept that only exists in those with higher cognitive function.
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Actually the countries with the lowest crime rates have not banned guns. In fact, its open carry. Ever wonder why shootings happen in gun free zones?
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Sydney Lechner People have sex. That's human nature. I agree in taking th proper precautions, but some people just don't/can't. There's more than enough children already in the adoption system for people who want a child, yet adoption has been in decline since 05.
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Tamang Tman Because trust me, it would rather die then attempt to be raised in some of the hells we have in the world. Once again, the fetus doesn't care. You can't miss a life you never had.
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Tamang Tman I never said the fetus wasn't alive. It is. It's just not sentient. Never did I say it wasn't living, although I think "living" and "being alive" are different. No, I'm saying that as a sentient being, if it is born into an unstable environment, it would wish it had been aborted when it couldn't care.
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Tamang Tman It doesn't. Because it has no brainstem. I'm saying it would rather have died if you force it to be born.
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Sydney Lechner You can't force someone to be a parent. If they do not know how to take care of the child they won't be able to be a parent. Adoption should be considered I agree, but that is such a broken system.
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Tamang Tman Because I hear every day from people "I would have rather been aborted." People who are born into unstable environments go through hell.
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Sydney Lechner How can I not think that way when I have children every day who tell me they wish they had been aborted? Some can't physically or mentally overcome that situation.
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The only nutrient you cannot get naturally in a vegan diet is B12, which can be fortified in milks. So, no. If you're doing a vegan diet right, you should not be nutrient deficient. Some people are just extremists
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You don't need any kind of license in any state to buy a firearm. Some states have special requirements, but this is not the case for most.
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@aaronzero6144 plenty of atheistz believe in an afterlife. They just don'r believe in a God. If God judges me based only on the fact that I didn't believe in him, he's a monster.
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@aaronzero6144 Then your God is a monster and I would rather spend eternity in hell. In no way do I claim there is no God. I simply do not believe in one. I encourage others to set aside God and explore for themselves. If God is truly truth, they will come back to him. Living with an unloving tyrant is not paradise.
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Thentacle Its not murder dingbat.
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@martialartsnerd7673 You do not need a license to sell at gun shows.
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@marcusg1276 No you don't. Only 15 states put any kind of restrictions on private sales, and anyone can sell or trade firearms at gun shows.
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Kinda hard to see that when no one is pro-abortion.
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Depends on who you buy the gun from. Many private citizens sell and trade and gun shows, and there is no background check required on private sales in most states.
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Thats not true at all, as you can be in love with multiple people.
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@BaileyBaratheon Yes, actually you can. Love: an intense feeling of deep affection. Where in that definition does it say it can only be reserved for one person? Or how about this? Love: feel a deep romantic or sexual attachment to (someone). Lust only applies to a sexual desire. So what if I have more than one partner, but only have a sexual desire for one of them? I only lust for one of them. Pull your head out of you archaic thinking and realize that not everyone is the same as you.
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@BaileyBaratheon That is exactly what polyamory is. It is the state of people being in love with more than one person and all persons in the relationship are consensual. Thats fine. Thats because you are monogamous. I am not. I love both my husband and my partner equally, as they do me. And while I love them both, I have no sexual feelings towards my partner. I, personally, don't care what you believe. I felt terrible and selfish being in monogamous relationships. I don't feel comfortable with one person devoting everything to me, nor did my husband.
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@BaileyBaratheon Then you and I can agree to disagree on that. No, he does offer me everything the need. The point is, I wanted another person to share that with, as did he. And that is why we have a 3rd partner. I've been married for nearly 6 years. I don't NEED to be with anyone else. I WANT to be. As does my husband. I have 2 children, who see both my husband (their father) and my partner as father figures. I understand that you can express your opinion. But expect backlash when you come off as ignorant and condescending.
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@BaileyBaratheon Nope. I am in love with them in a strictly romantic sense. But I have no sexual desire towards them. Its love because I have a strong romantic attraction to them that you would not have with a friend.
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We're not.
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Well...veganism may come across as the healthy option because IN GENERAL it is healthier for the average person.
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@kennymillalk Of course its not. And I think most people know that.
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Humans are not meant to eat meat actually. Its just because of our evoultion, we are able to eat it in moderation without repercussions. One of those things where it won't hurt you in small amounts, but will do long term damage over time. Completely false. People are generally healthier on a vegan diet. There is nothing (except B12) that you can get from meat that you can't get in a vegan diet. That being said, anything can be taken too far. I have never heard of vegans killing their kids like that, but I won't rule out it doesn't happen. The bottom line is to find a diet that is right for you, but at least be open to trying new things.
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@KoroSin777 Thats not the same thing as forcing someone to go vegan. The case you were talking about has nothing to do with veganism. Plenty of vegan foods contain more protein than meat. Veganism doesn't mean just eating plants. It just means abstaining from animal products. Cavemen needed meat to survive. The times were different then. You no longer have that need.
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@KoroSin777 At one time, we did not have the plsnts around to supply us with the nutrients we needed to survive. That is why we consumed meat. That need is no longer around. You are right. There are plenty of vegan foods that are unhealthy, just like you can be unhealthy on a vegan diet. I could find no record of that case. The only case I found concerned a vegan mother who tried to start her baby on a vegan diet when it was young, and it subsequently died. That has nothing to do with the veganism movement. No, it is not slow starvation if you're doing it right. Anecdotal evidence, but I know 0 unhealthy vegans. I know 0 vegans with diabetes, heart disease, IBS, pulmonary disease, high cholesterol or high blood pressure. Do they exist? Sure. But these are much more likely to exist in meat eaters. I will call you out when your "beliefs" are wrong. You can be unhealthy on a vegan diet. You can be healthy on an omnivorous diet. Its about finding what is right for you.
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@junkynote4799 Because you can get B12 in vegan foods. Fortified milks are often inhanced with B12. Just because it isn't found naturally doesn't mean you can't get it.
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Humans are animals. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@nukmanhassan6114 Because words have an established definition. Animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. By the way, a scientific theory is the higest something can get. Gravity is a theory. Would you argue gravity didn't exist?
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@nukmanhassan6114 Depends on where you went to school. Teachers usually believe it is common sense to know that scientifically we're animals.
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They don't
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That doesn't mean we need a death penalty. Thats what life in prison is for.
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Nope, because a fetus doesn't have a constitutional right to life until sentience is achieved. Granted I think abortions should be outlawed after the first trimester, since by then sentience is achieved. You have no inherent rights. You only have rights because a government says you do.
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@jonvint Theoretically? Yes, absolutely. Doing that would probably lead to anarchy, but that is usually how dictatorships start
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@jonvint No, there are no such thing as "inherent rights". That would imply that there is a natural force outside of society that would give you rights. My statement was meaning what we identify and define as "inherent rights". Things that cannot be infringed upon, because thats hiw our country was founded. People feel the need to resist because they have been conditioned by society of what is right and wrong. That is why laws and morals, as well as rights, change depending on the time period and the culture.
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@jonvint Nothing is inherently wrong, because objective morality does not exist. I am a moral relativist. I believe things are immoral based on secular humanism
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The argument there is humans don't need to eat meat and have a sense of morality, unlike other animals. So why should animals have to suffer just for your pleasure? Thats the moral vegan argument at least.
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@wildrose2748 Imagine the look on your face if there is no judgement day.
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@NightsLastWish Mmm. Let's just pretend that adoption solves the issue of unwanted pregnancy and that adoption is always readily available and guarentees a safe life. Abortion is justified in any circumstance if the person sincerely believes they cannot care for it.
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@NightsLastWish So what if it kills a living fetus? I don't think humans are inherently valuable. If you see no issue with sheep being hung by their back legs and their throat slit, I fail to see why you have a problem with a pill and a D&C or a surgical abortion. Science does not define murder. Murder is a LEGAL word. Not a moral one. It has an established definition, so stop trying to change it in order to suit a narrative. I never said it wasn't alive. It is. But killing something living doesn't equate to murder. Yes, and I wonder why that is. I am sorry, but you are delusional if you honestly believe suffering is better than death. And if you believe so strongly that the fetus deserves life, why should it die to save you? Wouldn't dying be the "selfless" thing? Abortion is taking responsibility, no matter how you try and twist it. And stop. Not even a majority of people who abort are traumatized. You'd find that much more common in people forced to give birth.
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That isnt true at all. I would be annoyed as well if people tried to constantly twist my words. Not all atheists are miserable, just like not all Christian's are happy. I'm happy and proud to be an atheist.
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@Orinoco Flow "The Bible says so therefore its true" is a no true scotsman fallacy. You have yet to provide any evidence to prove the Bible true, other than what you personally believe and how you were raised. I could make the argument that it is religious people who don't live in reality. Despite what you claim, you live in the unknown as well. The only difference is I'm honest enough to admit I don't know, whereas you cram in religion as a coping mechanism. I face life and death with absolute confidence, and I disagree. You are afraid of what will happen to you if you do not obey. Afraid of eternal punishment. That is not confidence. Your reality is very different from mine.
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@Orinoco Flow No, you claim that a God is real. That is something that has never been proven, and must be defended with evidence. You were born an atheist, like everyone else is. Once again, you cannot prescribe attributes to a being that has never been proven. The Quran says the same thing about Allah. What makes YOUR God the real one? I never said God doesn't exist. For all I know, there might be a God. I simply do not believe in one. No it isnt. But believe what you wish.
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@Orinoco Flow The one who believes in an all knowing sky Daddy who's watching every little move they make is the one calling someone delusional? That's irony if I've ever seen it. There's multiple realities. Try taking a quantum physics class. There's only one reality we experience, but that is not the only one that exists.
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@Orinoco Flow No, I didn't neglect to read. You're just lying, as you have no evidence. Jesus Christ was a Jew. He never claimed he was God. Others claimed he was God. And even if he had claimed to be God, that doesnt make it true. Once again, other than vague statements that I could easily apply to other things, there is no evidence. In fact, many parts of the Bible have been proven false. It's not the truth. It is simply a belief you hold. Demonstrate the evidence you claim to possess.
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@Orinoco Flow No I haven't. Yet you seem to believe in one. You are Gods child, correct? No, I don't. I dont believe in the nonsense the Bible has to say.
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Because he was an insensitive asshole
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America isn't the only country with this issue.
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Being selfish and thinking about what is best for you long term is not a bad thing. Abortion isn't murder. That's not an opinion here in the States. And if abortion WAS murder, it would be murder in any case.
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Not all.
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I find it hard to believe you would save a human stranger over a pet you had formed an attachment with. So its not really crazy. Simply circumstantial.
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Yeah, you definitely sound like a psychopath and should consider getting help. Also, you should consider getting educated on how abortions are actually performed, since you believe the tired tale that they're ripped apart. That rarely happens, and when it does, its done almost exclusively for medical reasons.
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Except abortion isn't muder and the Bible actively has scripture pertaining to killing a pregnant woman. How is that not abortion?
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What about being in love with multiple people immediately means mentally ill, std ridden and a whore? You are ignorant as hell.
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It be suspicious as hell, but technically you could.
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@kingjellytoast8407 Well. There is no limit, background check or bill of sale required for private sales.
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@kingjellytoast8407 Well thank you. Of course I'm not going to be rude. I'm pro gun, so I see no issue.
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@kingjellytoast8407 Sure~
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Almost every developed country has guns
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@s4kl-42 Google is your best friend.
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@s4kl-42 That doesn't make them gun free. By the way, Europe has a massive stabbing problem.
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You pay more in taxes for death penalty convictions.
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There is no harm in endangering the child, because the child never gets a chance to exist and isnt sentient.
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@SydLane Have you ever actually been homeless? Sounds like you haven't. How about being homeless for extended periods? How about having to resort to crime to get by? Ever been on that side? You can be opposed to abortion, but at least be educated about the subject. Its not murder. Its not a baby. You always have the right to abortion. Its a constitutional right.
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Not really. I could argue that there was no reason (othet than an emotional one) to execute Bundy.
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Because sex is a natural process that is more than reproduction.
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@UCfh8EswUmqiaToib1rLBeww Do I disagree that its a human? No. Because it is. Do I disagree that its "not my body?" Yes and no. I understand that rehtoric of "its a separate living thing with seperate DNA etc," but that arguement works the same for tumors. I disagree in the sense in that its not an independent person. If it were, simply removing it from the uterus would be no issue. But it dies if removed before viability is achieved. So it is my body because it is biologically dependant, but philosophically, you could classify it as seperate. Also, its always human if we are speaking about human fetuses.
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@jamessmith4287 The unborn offspring of any mammal.
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That is blatantly unconstitutional and unfair. I have depression, and am on antidepressants. I have NEVER been violent. Why should my right be stripped simply because I have a chemical imbalance in my brain? You have no idea how depression works. "High and lows?" Thats not depression. Thats akin to bipolar disorder.
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Don't know why you get that image when you see an atheist. Most atheists I've met are really level headed. It's the religious people who tend to not be respectful of other people
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@rallo9635 No actually. I see more "I'm an atheist and perfectly happy" with Christoans saying "you're going to burn in hell"
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@rodpruitt8926 Who is incorrect?
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@rodpruitt8926 Nope. You always have control over you body.
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@rodpruitt8926 A child yes. A fetus? Depends on if you want it or not.
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Because adoption isn't free in mist places, is not available in all places because of space issues, and doesn't guarantee your child a quality life?
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@ourblessedtribe9284 No, its not. Its a legal procedure. It was not free for my step mother to giver her child up for adoption. She had to legal fees, medical bills for tests and screenings, and court costs. In most places, its free if you are simply chucking your child into the state system. She went through with a private adoption.
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@ourblessedtribe9284 Adopting a child can be free. Putting a child up for adoption can be free. It can also cost money. There's a difference between adopting a child and putting one up for adoption.
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Your entire comment is BASED on feelings, which you just said is wrong. Feelings HAVE to play the role in capital punishment, because if it were strictly facts, EVERYONE would be against the death penalty. All the facts point to abolishing it. You want to keep it because of your feelings. Don't be a hypocrite.
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Because its not scientifically inaccurate. Thats exactly what it is. In fact, thats what all organic life is at any stage at its most basic level.
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@Humanity Galatica Because many people support abortion is cases of rape, incest and the life of the mother as well as supporting euthanasia.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You're not anti-life by suppprting bodily autonomy. A tumor is alive. Its living tissue. Is removing it anti-life?
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@Humanity Galatica So you anti-gun? You vegan? You ever squished a bug? Its impossible for you to exist without taking life. Suicide isn't cowardly. Its despicable that you would allow people who WON'T get any better to suffer. We call those people anti-social, as you are incable of feeling empathy. Fuck humanity. You should live for you. Not for someone else. That is the epitome of selfishness.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 So what? There's only a difference if life had inherent value, which is doesn't (unless of course you believe it does). My point is, if LIFE itself is what has value, how can you oppose getting rid of it in ANY capacity? Its not the LIFE that you care about. Its the SENTIENCE. People need to quit being hypocritical
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@blaecccuebbler7711 You can't make sense about how its selfish to force someone to stay alive in a world they're miserable in just because it makes YOU happy? Then I can't help you.
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@christynjohnson7719 No one's punishing a baby. And how will the infant not be punished if its born into a situation where it will be abused and neglected? How is that any better?
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@lynettesmp And that's fine. That is your opinion. That, however, is not objective.
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IssyFishyy That's a subjective opinion. Not wanting to die doesn't mean the value you place on yourself is inherent. It just means you find value in life. I'm not a nihilist. I may be a pessimist, but I'm not a nihilist. I find value in things. But that doesn't make that value inherent.
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IssyFishyy Except its not objective. Objective means not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts. It is not a fact. Its entirely based on personal feelings. You can want to die and not suffer from depression.
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IssyFishyy Morality isn't objective either. Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation. Now. You can have a subjective moral framework, and apply objectivity to that (for example: Everyone should take care of his or her own family), but the framework itself is still subjective.
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IssyFishyy No, it wouldn't. Because applying objectivity doesn't change the subjective framework. Its NOT universally agreed upon that murder is bad, especially if you only define murder as "unjust killing". Somebody could reasonably justify killing and while it still may be wrong to you, it is not wrong to them. You can't say murder being wrong is a fact. A fact is dependant on evidence. Other than your own personal belief, how can you prove murder is bad? You can't. Its just a belief you hold, and that belief is subject to change with culture and time.
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@lynettesmp "Normal" is up to individual interpretation, but not inherently finding things valuable does not equate to a lack of love. It just means you don't love that thing on the superficial level. It also isn't abnormal to not love a child who does something evil or vice versa.
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IssyFishyy I BELIEVE its wrong. I cannot KNOW something that we cannot quantify. And I DON'T believe killing is wrong in all circumstances. Facts require evidence. Its not a fact. Its a belief.
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@whistle4301 I get to determine if I view life as special. I don't speak for anyone else. And you do not determine whether or not someone can have sex
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Why? Because he doesn't believe in a useless system?
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@Philgob The death penalty is a useless system that is not beneficial to society.
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@Philgob Because I'm simply repeating to you exactly what his point was, which you said makes someone dumb. So back up your claim of how he's dumb. Have you never had a debate before?
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@Philgob So what you're basically saying is you have no argument, and focus on attacking someone based on looks. Good to know. By the way, I'm quite proud of how much I've done with myself.
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@Philgob I've done a lot of good for society in the field I work in. Tell me, what have you done? Since you're hell bent on saying I'm useless just because you disagree with me and can't have an adult debate?
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@LiterallyMark1 Actually, the Latin word means "hatching of young" or "offspring". No where in the etymology does a fetus relate specifically to a human. A fetus is the unborn offspring of any mammal.
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Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. She is both. Most atheists are. He was wrong because he said she wasn't an atheist.
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@isaacbibee3494 She said that because a) he was calling her agnostic and not an atheist and b) because it should be honest. Everyone is (or should be) agnostic.
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@isaacbibee3494 Then you are intellectually dishonest.
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@hettinga359 And its not, so...
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We have a word for people like you . Hypocrite.
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Ashley G Sanchez He wasn't right. Everyone should be agnostic. She was an agnostic atheist, which most atheists are.
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Lizzie Allen Well because that's what you are. You'd also be uneducated about abortion, since you equate it to baby killing.
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Lizzie Allen Its a fetus. Not a baby. And 96% of abortion are performed before 13 weeks, with nearly all abortions after 13 weeks (where the fetus actually is removed surgically) being done for medical purposes. You are uneducated about this particular topic.
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I'm vegan and about 90% sure I could whoop your ass. Extremists are the ones you should be mad at. Not a whole community.
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Hello there. We exist.
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@stevenbos5206 I'm not going away anytime soon.
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This has been disproven over and over. A person who is "deterred" by death wouldn't have committed the crime in the first place. It does not deter those who are going to commit capital offenses. You don't scare those people who feel they have nothing to lose off by threatening death. Ps. The US still has the electric chair.
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Not about life. About sentience. From a moral perspective at least.
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Sazeri D. Most atheists are agnostic.
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Nope. Thats a complete strawman. One deals in rights. The other deals with accountability.
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@isaacsaiz6934 Yes, but not in the same manner. One has to do with Constitutional rights. You are forming a strawman
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So what about the cases when protection fails?
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No. They're just smart and want protection. Are you trying to say all police are pro-violence? They carry guns. Why do you call them when you need help?
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@haleyb6402 I doubt it would. I really doubt it.
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Most people don't need meat. Its a want. At least from a nutritional perspective.
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So you don't respect people who are different than you? I can understand extremist vegans, like those shown, but the transgender thing is really kind of ignorant.
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@rafaelmoran1165 Being transgender is a mental condition. And yes, you can. Gender is a social construct. And for you to always consider them as the gender they are born with is disrespectful.
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@rafaelmoran1165 Having your beliefs is fine except when they're actively harmful. If you really feel that they're the same, I have a hard time believeing you'd call them what they want. Curious, why don't you believe in transgenderism? Is it a religious thing?
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@thelemurofmadagascar9183 So why do we have slow codes and DNR's? Why do we not force people to undergo live saving treatment?
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@redredred8408 So its wrong to decide you don't want to live anymore and to not want to be kept alive by machines. Whatever you say
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@WLH3eLiTe She literally said multiple times that she did not believe in God.
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@WLH3eLiTe I am an atheist and it is that simple. If you do not believe in a God, you are an atheist. What more do you need to add?
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@WLH3eLiTe Exactly. Belief is often an underscore of knowledge, but not always. Your argument is not about atheism and theism. Its about agnosticism and gnosticism.
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@WLH3eLiTe Then you are objectively wrong. Thats like arguing that squares are not rectangles.
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@WLH3eLiTe But its not. You are just wrong about your definitions. All anti-theists are atheists. Not all atheists are anti-theist. Not all agnostics are atheists. Most atheists are agnostic. Get the picture? Again, belief does not mean knowledge. If something is known, there is no reason to believe in it. Anti-theists do not believe in a God, just as atheists do. But they also make a positive claim to know a God does not exist. And for the last time, another term for an anti-theist is a GNOSTIC ATHEIST.
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@WLH3eLiTe Believeing that a God cannot exist does not exist. You cannot have a negative belief. Why is that so hard for you to understand? You are an anti-theist if you make the positive claim that a God does not exist. That has nothing to do with belief. Anti-theists don't have faith. There is nothing for them to have faith in. You are absoutely wrong about these definitions, and I'm prepared to provide them for you. I think you're the one who needs to look up these words, because I am now convinced you haven't. I don't lump myself in with anti-theists, because I'm not a gnostic. But I do understand that atheism is an umbrella term for both agnostics and gnostics. Literally just google "gnostic atheist". A gnostic atheist is someone who does not believe in a god and asserts that a God does not exist. Another name for these people is an anti-theist. Anti-theist: "One opposed to belief in the existence of a god". They're the same thing.
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I'm a vegan. I am not a radical nor am I vegan for any reason other than its healthier and I try not to support harming animals. I have no judgment or animosity towards those who are not vegan, but I thought I'd provide insight. Your question about humans vs carnivorous animals is actually quite easy. Its because humans (in general) do not need meat to survive nutritionally and be healthy. Carnivorous animals must rely on meat to survive. Also, most extremists I know believe you should, as a human, have a higher moral or ethical standard than an animal, and they find the animal hierarchy hypocritical. Just thought I'd provide insight.
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Chris Jackson Question. Why is That? It's not the fetuses fault the mother got raped or has medical issues. Why should it be allowed to be aborted for those reasons, but not because a mother can't care of it emotionally, financially and fiscally? How hypocritical.
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Chris Jackson Im not getting on the offensive. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy. If you really believe most women use abortions as birth control, that's really sad. Did you know there are people who can't take birth control or use condoms? Why should they have to deny their natural instinct? It seems plain wrong to me that you place different outcomes on a pedestal. I could say that woman shouldn't have let herself be assaulted. She should have fought it off. Doesn't that sound stupid to you? Who cares who's fault it is? It's hypocritical that would force an unfit mother to give birth to a child she can't handle because she laud down willingly, but it's fine to kill the fetus if she's raped. It's just like people who say it's fine to commit suicide if your physically terminal, but it's not okay if you're suffering mentality. You're not on moderate ground. Your one the extreme side. You think women should have their abortion rights stripped if they sleep willingly.
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Chris Jackson I cannot use birth control because I have CVID and Lupus. Birth control raises my blood pressure and thins my blood and can cause severe health problems. Some men I know are severely allergic to condoms. Yes, that is situational and specific. But there are people who can't. But, you also shouldn't have to. Taking a pill everyday is irritating and condoms are uncomfortable and can break. Birth control can fail. You'd be surprised at how hard it is to pull out. Hormones are very strong chemicals. You could make the argument that any sex in negligent then. You can have protected sex and still get an STD. I would argue the choice for abortion is a responsible one. It's not natural to rape someone. It is however natural to want to have sex. If there's an ugly guy out there that can't get laid, he probably masturbates. I wonder how many billions of children he kills that way. No, we shouldn't allow people to victimize each other. That's a ridiculous idea and not at all what I said. Everything affects your health. Abortions, the food you eat, who you associate with, pregnancy. That's not an argument. Abortions don't even affect your physical health. It's your emotional health they affect, which can in turn affect your physical health. The fetus then should not pay in any circumstance. Otherwise you are a hypocrite. A woman should never be forced to carry a child if she doesn't want it, rape or not. That statement is full of crap. People have unprotected sex. Abortion does not make a couple any more likely to have unprotected sex. You can still get pregnant with protection. Aborting a rape baby doesn't do anything to lessen then pain that the woman was raped. It doesn't undo the rape.
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Chris Jackson I'm not throwing you an ad hominem by calling you a hypocrite. That's what you're being. It's not even an insult. Everyone is a hypocrite about something. It just bothers me that you advocate for taking away a woman's rights. That doesn't deserve respect. I can respect you as a person without respecting your views and opinions
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Chris Jackson If it's self defense, then it isn't murder because self defense is not unlawful, so that argument doesn't hold water. This is a topic where it's all or nothing. If you only support certain people allowed to have an abortion, you are neither pro-life or choice. You advocate taking away women's rights for abortion unless it is a rape or medical complication. That's not okay in my opinion. Comedy, Speech, Abortion...these are all or nothing in my point if view. You can either let all abortions be legal, or make it illegal across the board. Otherwise it's hypocritical and playing favorites.
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Salsa Bila Sex is a natural want. Has nothing to do with procreation. Telling people to deny their sexual wants is terrible and unhealthy. Yes, proper steps should be taken. Yes, all avenues should be looked at before abortion. That doesn't detract from the fact that abortion should still be an option at this current moment in time.
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Because they didn't summarize what she said. They either deliberately or unintentionally misunderstood her, tried to tell her what she said, and then she got defensive (which she really didn't need to).
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In order to believe that, you would have to be anti war, anti gun, anti death penalty, vegan and believe life has intrinsic value. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite. No sweetie. Murder has an established definition. Quit trying to change it to suit your narrative. What's right? How can you objectively show that giving birth is right? How about all those unwanted children who died at the hands of unfit parents? How is that any different than abortion (other than abortions occur BEFORE a child can feel pain or experience)
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@Kekekepeeps Most abortions are not carried out surgically.
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So apparently those fetuses don't matter. We are literally all selfish.
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That's not true at all. You can buy as many guns as you want from a private seller, and a gun store will usually sell 2 or 3 at a time if you pass a background check.
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Ehh...not entirely true. Depends on which state and who happens to be selling that day.
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@fletch84 Well. Good thing abortion isn't murder.
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@fletch84 So what? Why is human life on a pedestal?
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@fletch84 I think terminating the development of a non-sentient fetus for a legitimate reason is neither good nor bad.
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Whether or not your subjective moral opinion believes they deserve death or not is irrelevant. Your emotions should not dictate the laws. It is not cheaper to execute someone than it is to attempt to rehabilitate them or keep them in prison for life. This has been continuously proven, and should be common knowledge to those who want to debate about the subject.
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@noodles1291 Emotion is always going to be a factor. But practicality should always take precedent. The fact remains that there is no practical reason for the death penalty. The problem does stem from the legal costs. Not just that, but death row in all states costs more per inmate than someone in general. The death penalty is not a deterrent, does not lower the crime rate, is too expensive, and risks putting an innocent person to death. So why should we have it?
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@noodles1291 You said you were pro-death penalty. That is revenge. There's a reason most victims, myself included, don't believe in capital punishment.
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No one is pro-abortion.
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My how the educational system has failed you.
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No its not. Quite the opposite. We're in the middle.
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You are agnostic. Everyone is, or should be agnostic. You're an agnostic theist.
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Yes you can. Some people simply don't feel insecure of jealous.
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@travisjohnson7065 You mean how you're given a pill and then have a D&C like a miscarriage, the way 97% of abortions are done? Or are you trying to refer to the surgical abortions in order to push a narrative?
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There is no one on Earth that doesn't have access to abortion. There are places that don't have access to a medically safe abortion. That doesn't mean it isn't a right. Rights are not inherent.
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"Like its just an animal" Yeah? So are humans. Why are we on a pedestal? Not saying you can't do what you want. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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Are you aware that you can sign a legal document that prevents them from doing it and allows you to do what you want with the fetus? (Bury, cremate etc.)?
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No, you're wrong. And that proves you did no research. Background checks are only required under federal law if you are buying from a licensed dealer. But there is no law stating you must be a dealer to sell at a show. Private sellers often sell at shows and do not have to perform a background check in 75% of the country.
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Yes...ignore their right to due process and ignore that a quarter of them are innocent...
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@michaelanderson9914 I never claimed a healthy baby is a danger to anyone. Also, no. That isn't how vaccines work. Take a microbiology class. Yes, the immune system is under stress. It almost always is. Thats because your body is building up an immunity. No, unvaccinated individuals put those who are or can't be in danger, because they are the ones that host the active live strain of the virus. Those viruses can also mutate.
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@michaelanderson9914 Actually, yes it is. You are nearly always battling something, especially in areas of extreme temperatures. More active and stable immune systems can fight these off with no problem. Those that have immune problems are typically the ones who always feel the full effects.
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Yeah okay. Maybe you will, amd maybe you won't. What virus that we vaccinate for has little to no danger? Sure, you can still spread it. Though you are far less likely to than someone who has not been vaccinated. You don't have to get vaccinated (exluding the COVID vaccine in some areas which I 100% agree with you on.). No vaccine should be mandatory. But they are effective and are important.
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@ebonie4002 A fetus is not a baby until after it is born. This is both medically and biologically. As long as it is in utero, it is a fetus.
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Charles Manson was not a murderer. He was not mentality ill. He just did a lot of drugs. My sister was murdered and her killer left me with a broken spine that has left me permenantly disabled. I will always be against the death penalty.
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Yes it was. Its saved countless lives
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It would still be more expensive.
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Gee, wonder why we have such a prison issue...you could go to jail for parking tickets. Ridiculous how little nuance you have.
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@wickedworld5500 I have seen people land 60 days in county for one unpaid parking ticket, so do not say it can't happen. It does, even if not very often. Jaywalking ia a crime. Speeding is a crime. We've all done it. The point is some make awful decisions that cost them. At the end, they're still people and should be given tools to do better. Not tortured in a cell.
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And there are currently 45,000 children waiting to be adopted. Take your pick.
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I'm pro-choice and proud.
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Most atheists are agnostic. Agnostic is an irrelevant and redundant term that says the knowledge of a God is unknown. Everyone should be agnostic.
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@childoficarus5334 Then, in my personal opinion, you are just as intellectually dishonest as those who claim a God exists. You have now made a positive claim you must prove with evidence.
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Science does nothing to either support or disprove the concept of value. Value is a description we give to things. Science, as a concept, cannot tell you something is valuable. Only your specific psychology can. Yes, science is clear that life begins at conception. Thats not a point for pro-life. Humans do not value life. They value sentience. If life is so much more valuable than bodily autonomy, should a doctor be allowed to take organs from living people who could live without them, and donate them to people who need them to live without consent? A woman has a right to terminate a pregnancy, because all rights are equal. The fetuses right to life is equal to the mother's right to liberty. She does not consent. That fetus is violating her liberty. Your last sentence by the way is entirely hypocritical.
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That's not what that word means.
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@MCdi-rt8tb I meant the word "murder".
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IssyFishyy And? Killing =/= murder.
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Except we're not.
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I highly doubt it almost killed you, as seizures only are fatal if you fall or have a hemorrhage. I'm glad you're pro-vaccine, but as an epileptic who has daily seizures, I find the "almost died" to be overexaggerated and detrimental.
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You will never repeal Roe vs Wade.
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Except they are, and all post regularly about how no one should be vaccinated because they're are problems. Bob, by the way, lost his medical license because of his anti-vaccine stance.
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@billjohns1306 Because they knew if they had expressed their true stance, they'd be ripped apart. You cannot debate an objective fact.
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@billjohns1306 No, you completely misunderstand. When they regularly point out their views, its to people in their inner circle, unless you know them personally. To come to a huge medium and state what they actually think would get them embarrassed and berated by people on the opposite side. As far as Bob is concerned, his language is turned down because he was on medical probation for his license, and openly stating what he believes would have had it revoked. You don't understand how minorities work do you?
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@Milk7ss Pro-life people make themselves look bad. Don't need an "agenda" to just show their anti-rights.
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@Milk7ss You could. But you'd be wrong.
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Even though you do have that option
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Imagine carrying more about a fetus than a sentient person. Also, if we're being honest, a fetus has no rights.
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@scottpe6226 I don't necessarily think your wrong. I don't think vaccines should be forced. But you should acknowledge the risk you do pose. You shouldn't be allowed in public school. And you should be responsible if someone gets hurt. I feel that way for both sides. Its the claims of illnesses vaccines cause that I disagree with.
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Except, they don't. And they can't. They lack pain receptors, a brain, and a CNV.
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Yes, strictly because abortion is a constitutional right. If a woman does not feel she can handle a pregnancy or a child for any reason, she has the right to abort. At least before a certain period.
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@laurenmiller9482 1. Morality is subjective. 2. Abortion is protected under the right to liberty. This is why Roe vs Wade was never struck down, even by a conservative Supreme Court.
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@laurenmiller9482 And morality is entirely subjective. The reason Roe v Wade passed is because it is in the constitution. The right to liberty.
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What don't you understand?
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@adoredina339 It doesn't matter what you consider it. If everyone involved is consenting, then it can't be cheating.
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But a majority of that food grown actually goes to animal feed for livestock. Less than 10% of crops grown feed humans.
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@SS-L.O.T.O. In general. Less than 10% of food grown worldwide goes towards humans. Its mainly used in industry and animal feed.
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So is the burger you ate for dinner. So what? Its not your business.
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@Amy-zw4mk So what? If your argument is life is valuable, then that applies to all life. Humans are animals as well. This isn't a moral issue. Its a legal one.
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@Amy-zw4mk Then that is your opinion. I don't think human life is inherently valuable. Because there is no one that likes abortion. However, there are some that believe it is the lesser of two evils. The fact remains its a woman's right to abort.
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@mathildeyoung1823 The right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You also have the right to bodily autonomy. And if you made abortion illegal, not only would you not save anyone, you would prosecute and jail innocent people, such as people who simply had a miscarriage. You'd have to make sure they didn't force themselves to abort.
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Sex was not created. It's a natural human process. And it isnt just for procreation. Sex is a healthy thing that improves the health of the body. Abstinence does not work. Preach open communication and safe sexual practices. Not abstinence. That's one of the reasons teenage pregnancies happen so much.
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Abortion is not murder.
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@PiscesPisces-qq2ti Thats not what defines murder. Murder is a legal term.
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@dankdonutt Yes. Yes I do.
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Not if the person you are purchasing the gun from is a private citizen, and they often sell at shows.
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@matthewk1 Umm no? Because you wouldn't do either sexually or romantically with a partner(s) what you would do with a friend. I'm polyamorous and asexual.
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Some would. Because how can you say you love animals when you pay money for them to be abused and slaughtered?
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@Christ_Is_Life10-10 Well, because masks don't actually do very much. I was playing devil's advocate
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@scottpe6226 You don't have a right to PUBLIC education.
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@scottpe6226 No, not public education. You have a right to education. You don't need a public school for that.
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Most of the ingredients used in vaccines are either completely unharmful, are only harmful in large doses, or things you naturally eat or take in other medicines. No child has died from a vaccine that has direct corrective since 1991. Thats almost 30 years.
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John H Atheism is not a religion. It is a lack of a belief in a God or gods.
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John H Atheism is not the assertion that there is no god. That is anti theism. You can be both agnostic and an atheist, just like you can be both agnostic and a theist. Please show me this evidence.
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John H An anti theist, also called a Gnostic atheist, is someone who claims to know as fact that there is no God. An agnostic atheist is someone who does not know whether or not a God exists, but does not believe in one. Gnosticism and Agnosticism are knowledge claims. Atheism and Theism are belief claims. These terms are not mutually exclusive.
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John H I think it's you who doesn't know what atheism and agnosticism is. Maybe this will help https://www.thoughtco.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040
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John H it's not a rejection of a God. It's a lack of a belief in God. I don't deny a god may exist, but I do not believe in one. That makes me an agnostic atheist. I doubt you even read the link, because the first paragraph says what atheism is.
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John H In Christanity you're supposed to be killed if you blasphem against God as well. Islam is no more violent than Christanity. Catholics are the largest sect of Christanity. Get over it.
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John H Jesus Christ, if he existed, was a Jew. Not a Christian. Your religion was a spin in Judism, which is a spin off of Babylonian lore, which is a spin off of Sumerian lore. It's literally a copy of a copy of a copy religion, and still doesn't prove your God is real.
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John H He may not of even existed. And he wasn't the founder of Christanity if he was. That was more Paul's doing. Yeah sure. A God you can't prove exists that shares stories almost word for word with Sumerian and Babylonian mythology. You can say God predates these religions, but you have yet to prove a God exists. So in truth, your argument is flawed.
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Marie Cassandra No, I have nothing tugging on me. I get annoyed and irritated when pro-lifers try to use your emotions as an argument for why you shouldn't have control of your body, instead of reason and evidence.
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Marie Cassandra Maybe because they actually can't care for the child? That's not for inconvenience, that's making a reasonable decision. When you have people coming up everyday saying "I wish I had been aborted" there's a serious problem.
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Marie Cassandra If you understood, then you would understand why they don't do that. First off, it's pregnancy/birth is detrimental to a woman's health. It does nothing good for her. Second, adoption agencies are overcrowded and underfunded with no guarantee of a child ever being adopted. When it's the same people every day saying they wish they had been aborted, I take it at face value. They hate their lives. You aren't killing a baby. You are killing a non sentient developing fetus. There is a huge difference between life and potential for life.
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In general, they actually are. However, meat eaters can be healthy just as vegans can be unhealthy
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I'm good. You should try not to generalize.
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@janellemedrano3666 No one kills a baby in an abortion. Abortions ade specifically designed for people who don't want be pregnant
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Eating meat can make you unhealthy. It can also be healthy.
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That won't prevent mass shootings. That will increase them. You cannot buy automatic weapons without a level 3 firearms license, and no mass shooting has ever been performed with an automatic weapon.
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Hey guess what? Pro-choice doesn't mean anti-life nor is abortion murder. Having a child they couldn't take care of would also be irresponsible. Perhaps now they've learned.
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Except they're not in all cases.
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62% of people who have been victimized are against the death penalty. There's a reason for this.
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We don't cringe at the idea of adoption. We just understand that the system is broken, and many people will never be adopted. If you opt for a private adoption, then its not free. Thats a huge legal procedure. And is not available to everyone.
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Very few states have mandated the vaccine, but I agree. However, I know what they're trying to do with the mandates.
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If all of your friends are pro-life, its probably because they don't know what pro-life really means. Your not selfish for wanting to do whats best. It is not okay to strip rights away from pregnant women and the dying.
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Nightmare 6273 He absolutely has a say. He just doesn't have the final say, and I think they should have open conversations with the woman about it.
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No you aren't. Find a private vendor. They are under no obligation to provide a background check.
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@carterbales1554 38 states do. Thats more than 75%. And I'm aware of that. I am very pro-gun. I just wanted to point out that correction.
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You do realize that Pro-abortion isn't a thing and that you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion right? Evil is subjective. And defending one's rights, whether it be to abort or to have a child, will never be wrong.
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@buckthorn7084 So you don't understand that pro-choice doesn't just apply to abortion. And no. Our Constitution is secular. It is seperate from religion. Not everyone is religious. And by the way, assuming you're a Christian, your God? He's not pro-life. Your own Bible condones abortion. Our rights are equal. I do not have the right to live at someone else's expense. I have a right to what goes on with my organs.
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@buckthorn7084 While our founders may have been deists, they were also secularists. The Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are secular documents. Not religious ones. The freedom of religion is also the freedom from religion.
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@buckthorn7084 You realize that you can be both a theist and a secularist right? If they weren't secularists, they would not have wanted a representative republic. They would have wanted a monarchy or a theocracy, which is what we fought against. Where God is placed first, regardless of which God it is. You can be an atheist and be a moral person. You can be morally corrupt and be religious. And vice versa. Separation of church and state was inacted because our Fathers were secular deists.
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@buckthorn7084 They literally did. I'm sorry, but there's no point in debating someone who ignores facts. No one is advocating for tyranny. Our fathers litterally put it as the First Amendment. Its called the Establishment clause, and the Supreme Court applied it through the 14th amendment. You don't have to be religious or believe in a God to be a good person. Period.
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@buckthorn7084 Our founding fathers were not Christians. They were secular deists. You can't advocate for a being you cannot prove even exists, and it certainly should not be part of your government. I hope you realize what's going on has nothing to do with religion.
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@buckthorn7084 I can't reject something I do not believe in. If you can provide me with evidence as to a God's existence, I will happily consider belief in one. The vast majority of those at the Constitutional Convention were simply deists. Yes, they believed in a God. Believed that a deity played a role in life. But they believed all God's were equal. That all religions were equal. A few of them being Christian does not change the fact that they were secular, who believed that without separation of church and state, we could not have freedom of religion. They FEARED theocracy. I don't ignore that. In fact, in every comment, I have stated to you I understood that. What you fail to understand if that believing that God is essential doesn't mean you aren't a secularist. Secularism means THE CHURCH can't have sway over the government and vice-versa. Secularism has 0 to do with a belief in a God.
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@buckthorn7084 Any church.
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@buckthorn7084 I would seriously google what the "establishment clause" is. You are extremely ignorant...
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@buckthorn7084 It's the clause in the First Amendment of the US Constitution that prohibits the establishment of religion by Congress.
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@buckthorn7084 If religion was established, we would be a theocracy. Run by the church. That's why the Establishment clause is in the First Amendment. What does any of this have to do with abortion, by the way?
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@buckthorn7084 This conversation is going nowhere. My only point was while God was central to the Father's foundation, it was important to them to seperate the views of the church from the government. That's why the Constitution is secular. Abortion is a right. Maybe one day, we won't have a need for it.
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@buckthorn7084 Except you're wrong. And it has nothing to do with my atheism. Why do you think Roe vs. Wade was even passed? Because no one has the right to life at the expense of someone else. That's laid out in the Constitution. Its called the right to liberty.
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@buckthorn7084 Actually, legally, yes it is. The government does not consider a fetus a person until a period of time where sentience is well established. Whether or not this is moral is up to each individual. A fetus does not have the right to use my uterus for it's life without my explicit consent. It is not my fault that it cannot live outside my organ. This is the same case where even in a life or death scenario, I do not have the right to your kidney, even if without one, I will die.
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@buckthorn7084 It doesn't matter what the purpose of the organ is. No one but me gets rights to them unless I give the okay. It's really that simple. You cannot be forced to give your kidney to someone else, even if it means they will die without one. That is not your responsibility. The point is the comparison. My uterus belongs to me*, not a fetus. *I decide what's done with it. That being said, I understand where you come from. I still have my son's remains from when he was aborted. It was horrible, and I wish more people would consider abortion as a last resort.
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@buckthorn7084 The diffence between a fetus and a slave is sentience. These 2 are not comparable.
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@buckthorn7084 I, unfortunately, had to. I developed a medical complication due to a bleeding disorder. Its unlikely my son would have been viable anyway.
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Except they make the assumption that people abuse it without any evidence to back that up? How is mental health or sudden financial problems (which are both the reasons for a majority of abortions) any less valid than rape? Pro-life likes to use the 2% stat for the abortions that occur because or rape, incest or medical problems. I'd be willing to bet about that same percentage of people actually just use abortions as birth control.
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I hold no issue to the fact that I'm terminating a non-sentient human.
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@ashchong Yes they are. A comatose person is still sentient, as their brain is still functioning. Just because they cannot express it does not mean they aren't sentient. The cutoff date for abortion should be when sentience is achieved.
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@ashchong Fetuses in the womb do not have a brainstem in order to have expression. A comatose person does. Also, I'm 100% fine with pulling the life support plug. Should be up to the person. Most people have a DNR for a reason. Also, no it doesn't. Sentient person vs non-sentient fetus.
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@ashchong No. A fetus only gains sentience when a brainstem develops. This is long after most abortions
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@ashchong No, they still are sentient. You apparently don't know what the definition of sentience or murder is. What planet do you live on where abortion is convenient?
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@mathildeyoung1823 Sure, if you made abortion illegal, it would be murder. But then you would face the federal problems Alabama is facing. In that you are violating the federal law. Abortion is never convenient. And personally, I know not one woman who did NOT care about their child. They simply felt they could not care for it, and aborted to spare it a hard life. Hell, my best friend still has the remains of her aborted fetus on het dresser, as a constant reminder to never put herself in that sitiation again.
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An atheist is someone who lacks a belief in a God. She is clearly an atheist.
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That depends on where you live. Vegan alternatives, fruits and vegetables are cheaper where I live.
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No you don't.
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Then you've never been to a gun show where there are private sales. No background check required.
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@leahsanturri6622 An agnostic is the knowledge that a God cannot be known. Nowhere in the definition of atheism is the word supernatural. Many atheists believe in the supernatural, such as ghosts. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. By the way, she waa perfectly justified declining his card, especially when he was a solid asshole to her. You don't deserve respect after that. Was she harsh and stand offish? Yes. So was the old man.
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It just refers to private sales at shows. I never understood why people think its a loophole.
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Extremists are obnoxious in general. You shouldn't make broad generalizations.
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Nah, you're just paranoid about being bombed, stabbed, or set on fire.
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@ratofvengence I don't know where you get your information from, but they did not halve their homicides when they enacted gun laws. Their homicide rate increased. For 2 consecutive years.
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No, not usually. They're made from animal milk. You can however get vegan ice cream.
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You also should read the flip side of the coin, about the thousands of babies murdered/abused/neglected by unfit parents and the system. The strong and empowering woman is the one who does whats best for herself and her child, even if everyone else is against her. Congrats. Your anecdotal story is one of the minority lucky ones.
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Yes they do.
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No, we're not. Not scientifically anyways.
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They are.
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Someone would have just brought up private sales.
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Lizzie Allen Thats true.
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Thats not true. Private sellers are under no obligation to perform background checks in most states. I have never had a check at a show.
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VicZX6R The bible doesn't even believe in the Golden Rule.
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@SydLane Would I rather be dead at this point in time? No. Would I have rather been aborted than had to go through what I did? Yes. I'm still alive now because I didn't have the capability of killing myself when I was younger. I am now in a position where, while not perfect or really even happy, life is tolerable. If we're speaking on the matter of abortion, its because its a right. I care about people pretending like they care and pretending like abortion is such a terrible thing all the while sitting back and watch those children be neglected and abused by unfit parents and a broken state. I'm here because at this moment, I'm content enough to go on. But what I trade what I have now for never being alive at all? Without a doubt.
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Go back to the dark ages.
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That's not a word, nor does it mean what you think it means. But keep pretending that all polyamorous people sleep around.
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@dark blade That still wouldn't be deserving of an eternal punishment.
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Except that creates a false dichotomy. If people didn't have guns, they'd use knives, poles, acid, fire, etc. Banning guns does nothing to solve violence.
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@Oskar_464 The word agnostic is useless and redundant because everyone should be agnostic. This conversation wasn't about that. It was about belief.
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Whether they deserve it or not is a matter of opinion, and should not be the basis of our laws.
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Oh please. A majority of abortions are paid out of pocket. And depending on where the woman goes, even if she uses medicaid, you have the Hyde Amendment.
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No, of course I wouldn't want a known serial killer around my family. But he doesn't have to be. Thats what prison is for. This is why life sentences exist. No one has ever escaped a maximum security prison. You can have all of this without a death penalty.
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Hi hello. We exist.
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Nah. I'd still save the animal.
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Uhh...no. The majority of states only need background checks on gun sales from a dealer. 38 out of 50 put no restrictions on private sales.
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@alexbstrother No, I don't think private sales are a loophole. They're not. The "gunshow loophole" is just a piss poor name for private sales at shows.
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What does being a hoe have to do with polyamory?
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You are so off base. Most vegans are like that for health reasons.
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@15gladuis22 That isn't what I meant. Actually no. Many people don't apply for parole because they know it would be harder for them on parole than it would be for them to just remain in prison. I am not against capital punishment for any emotional reason. My reasons for being against capital punishment are grounded in facts. Police have descretion when it comes to those who are not on parole or probation. That is not the case for someone who is. You don't, as a police officer, get to decide whether or not a person you stop gets arrested if they are on parole or probation. You are required by most departments to hold them and contact their parole or probation officer. Failing to do so may be grounds for termination. I have personally known people get arrested for jaywalking because they have been on parole, and while not common, it happens. Especially when you have bored police officers
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It doesn't have to be. Legumes and grains are some of the cheapest foods. But it depends on geography.
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Your odds of being shot are astronomically low
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@damilolaajiboye5261m Fewer people would die from mass shootings if more people owned guns
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No, we just don't believe that just because you don't have an answer for something, you should insert the supernatural. You shouldn't believe in something until there is proof for it. Supply me the evidence of a God, and of which God is real, and I'll more than happily go back to believing.
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I don't have any hate.
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Ethical vegans abstain from any animal usage, including clothing.
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You do realize that "beyond reasonable doubt" doesn't mean guilty right?
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@Keegeth Elighten you on what? You wouldn't understand anyway. Being convicted dose mean guilty
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@lizettegomes6955 Pro-life people are against abortion and euthanasia for humans. Pro-choice people support the right to die with dignity and for a woman to abort.
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How is being vegan killing animals exactly?
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@Emptycoconut Uh-huh. The difference is the vegans do not support the slaughter of animals. That blood isn't on my hands. I do not support that. Then again, I personally don't care if you do. I'm not vegan for moral reasons.
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@Emptycoconut But by being vegan, I help encourage others to stand up. I can help save animals lives, even if thats not my reason for being vegan.
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And you don't. That's why the Hyde Amendment exists.
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Not the ones I've seen.
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@ratofvengence Lol no you can't. Is that what you believe?
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Because life is not the issue. Sentience is. Animals understand emotions. Those who argue for morals think its hypocritical to punish someone for killing a companion animal but not livestock.
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azapps Because the Bible literally says God controls your life by saying you have to obey him or you are damned to hellfire.
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azapps Well then I'll be damned to hell for not obeying the laws. So why bother believing? There's no evidence for God. If he does exist, I like to think of him as a loving being who cares more about what I can do for others than worshipping him
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azapps Then everyone will suffer this consequence. You are going to die. Natural laws don't prove a God exists, let alone which God is real. If God does exist, and he is all loving, then regardless of whether or not I believe in him, I'll be in heaven.
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I wonder why most abortions are those of non-whites...? Almost as if they tend to be the most impoverished...
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@paigeanne1325 Now if only that were actually true.
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@paigeanne1325 That's certainly not true of the US. I would do some research. Poverty is most common in non-whites. Not saying those of other races can't be successful. But they do have less advantages. Of course this also depends entirely on where you live and your environmental circumstances.
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Its because she is referring to the private sales of guns at shows. Your father probably bought his gun from a dealer at a show. But private sales require no such paperwork on a federal level, and only in a minority of states. All 3 of my firearms have been purchased from shows. All I needed was cash and a valid state ID. Thats it. Depends on where and who.
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@MCBoult Then you live in a state that restricts private sales or the seller opted to do a background check. If it was a private sale (meaning you did not buy from an FFL dealer), then there is no mandatory background check on the federal level.
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Probably because it isnt truth. It's your indoctrination nonsense.
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@blackturtle3870 hate to break it to you my friend, but you, like everyone else, were born an atheist. You were TAUGHT to be a theist, then decided to continue being a theist for your own reasons. You want to be more like a man who has never been proven to have even existed? Cool. But don't claim its facts and truth. Because it isn't.
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@blackturtle3870 You also didn't believe in God because you.lacked the understanding of who God was. You're free to love God. I'm free to tell you I don't believe in God. Science can't disprove a negative, but you have yet to prove your God. And if you believe science cant explain dark matter le gravity, you flunked or never room a physics class. I don't care about you sharing your opinion. I care about you being a liar and spreading those beliefs as truth.
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@blackturtle3870 There is 0 evidence behind any God, let alone that your God is the correct one. It is not a fact. It is a belief. We don't have an answer to that yet, but it is intellectually dishonest to just blame it on the supernatural. I can say you're lying, because you are saying a belief is fact. That is a lie.
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B12 vitamins can be fortified in milks and both tofu and chickpeas have more iron than red meat per ounce. I'm a vegan and do not have to take supplements. But its work to compliment food, and I understand why you wouldn't want that diet.
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You do realize that your God certainly condones abortion, right?
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@BD-vh1mt Hosea is a good example. You know, where God commands the Israelites to rip open the wombs of pregnant women and slaughter their unborn.
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@BD-vh1mt Keep going with your apologetics for mass murder. Your Sky Daddy is so proud of you.
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@BD-vh1mt Yeah no. Thats not what the Bible says. The Bible describes your God as wrathful and vengeful, and you supposedly believe he never changes. The Old Testament, and even parts of the New Testament is wrought with despicable acts carried out by God. But hey, thats only when taken literally. I'm not mad at God. I can't be mad at something I don't believe in. I'm mad at what religion sometimes makes people do. No, I'm just a skeptic. I'd be religious if any religion could provide a shred of evidence their God was real. Until then, I'm an agnostic atheist, which I feel is the most honest position.
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@BD-vh1mt See, you use the term created with no evidence of creation. The difference between you and me is I'm okay admitting I don't know. That has nothing to do with faith. You are now using the word faith and applying two definitions, which is incredibly dishonest. The great thing about science is it can be wrong. And when it is, we can fix it.
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@BD-vh1mt You are using the term faith in a religious sense and then compairing it to faith as a synonym for confidence. Those are two different things. I have confidence in science, but understand it doesn't have all the answers and can change. Truth is a human concept.
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@BD-vh1mt There is no such thing as an absolute that never changes.
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The Bible condones abortion, so that's not a good example.
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@KysHome Ignorance at its finest.
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Christine is an agnostic atheist.
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The Real Cat of 2020 Yes there is. Its a person who understands God's existence is unknowable, but still believes in one existing.
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The Real Cat of 2020 That's...exactly what I said. An agnostic is a stance of knowledge. Atheism and theism is a claim of belief. "I don't know whether or God exists, but I believe that one does" would be the stance of an agnostic theist.
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The Real Cat of 2020 No, it isn't. That would be like claiming a lack of belief in God acknowledges a God existence. It simply tells you the possibility that a God might exist.
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The Real Cat of 2020 Just because you need knowledge about it doesn't mean you have to have concrete knowledge it exists. That isn't how belief works.
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The Real Cat of 2020 No it isn't. I believe in ghosts. I don't claim to know they exist. I simply have had experiences that lead me to believe they do.
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The Real Cat of 2020 Yes I do believe in them. That doesn't mean I know they exist. Belief and knowledge are two different parts of the brain. If you hold to the notion that the knowledge of God is unknowable, you are an agnostic. Anyone who is honest holds this view. You seem to to confuse colloquialism with philosophy.
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The Real Cat of 2020 I know that. But belief in God is not a claim that a God must be real, and I have no idea why you think it is. If you have knowledge of something, there is no reason to believe in it.
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We're not the top of the food chain...
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@yuzu8709 Lions. Hyenas. Crocodiles. Komodo dragons. Bears. All of these animals would naturall hunt and eat humans in the wild. Scientific food chains are based on trophic levels. We're in the middle near pigs. You could just not breed animals. Thats part of an ethical vegans perspective.
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@yuzu8709 Thats not what determines a food chain though. And having weapons or not doesn't change the fact that they're still above us. They wouldn't go extinct either. They naturally reproduce and die on their own.
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I think most people don't really know all the laws surrounding legally purchasing a firearm, with or without a background check.
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Most vegans aren't like that.
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I'm pretty sure that animal had to be killed to be eaten though.
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@satsat247 I'm pretty sure that plants aren't sentient. And me personally, I don't care what people eat. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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They have nothing to do with each other.
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@JOVine-gl6df Well a, I'm not vegan for ethical reasons. But b, it all has to do with sentience. Simply put, an animal is sentient. A fetus is not.
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@johndeoliveira8476 Life is not the issue. Sentience is.
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@JOVine-gl6df They do not have feeling or consciousness at the time of most abortions.
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@branchestarot They aren't inside the same body.
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@branchestarot You know, you should actually want to have a discussion instead of speaking nonsense. 1 of 12 what?
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Sin only exists within religion.
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@aoy1889 Yes. Yes you did. Abortion is not murder. That's a fact.
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@aoy1889 Which I never denied. But killing doesn't equate to murder. Murder is a legal term. Yes, its killing. No, its not murder.
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Actually it really is. A majority of people do get correctly convicted and get justice. But it is certainly far from perfect.
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Lizzie Allen I know right? "Oh yeah, I may be on the brink of a psychotic breakdown, but I would never randomly shoot the next person who lights my fuse"
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Not in all cases. 38 states allow private vendors to set up booths and private sales do not require a background check in these states.
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Kelly Johnson God says nothing, because you can't prove he exists.
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Kelly Johnson Looking around at life just proves people have sex. That's not evidence for a God. That's evidence for human nature.
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Kelly Johnson No it doesn't. The world is only proof of the worlds existence. Where and who gives life depends entirely on what species you're talking about. I don't know how the world works, and frankly, I don't care. Existence does not equal creation.
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Kelly Johnson The Bible has no contradiction? Are you serious? Then you clearly haven't read it. The bible is a collection of writings that were compiled together, none of which were eyewitness accounts for Jesus or his life. I was a Christian. That was my true ignorance. Because I believed in something with 0 evidence. Sure, maybe when I die, I'll find out there is a God. I'll cross that bridge then.
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@ashchong I never denied it was a living person. I am not a hypocrite who puts life on pedestals. Senteince matters to me. Not life.
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@ashchong It is not eliminated at will, but its simply becauae the mother has rights that the fetus does not. I am of the opinion that abortions should be off the table after the first trimester. That is my stance on it.
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@ashchong No, its not. Thats a false equivalence fallacy. Murder is taking the life of a sentient being. Most abortions are terminating the development of a living fetus. It doesn't care. Why should you?
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@ashchong No, because it doesn't biologically depend on a host for survival
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@ashchong Thats not entirely true, but it doesn't depend on a host for its survival biologically. Sure, odds are, if you threw a toddler out on its own, it would not survive. But it doesn't depend on a host. The difference is the literal definition of a parasite and the colloquial definition of a parasite.
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Have you ever talked to an abused individual? Growing up unloved and unwanted makes it almost impossible to know what love is. We are social creatures, and depriving someone of that socialization destroys them.
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@bryonnajones That was you. Not everyone feels that way. I deal with people every day who have emotionally and physically damaged themselves because they so badly want to die. You may not feel that way, but many others do.
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@bryonnajones A non sentient being doesn't care if it lives or dies. They can't want to live without sentience. That's when abortion should be off the table
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@bryonnajones It is ultimately the mothers decision until the fetus is sentient
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No we don't. That's a lie.
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@Lemonie626 That is not true. I am a vegan and take no supplements. Nothing that is found in meat cannot be gotten as a vegan except B12, which can be found in fortified milks.
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I'm sorry you believe that.
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@LuZ-rd5yl If you were a hardcore pre-med student which you claim, you would know that you don't prove things in science. You prove things in math. So I don't believe for a second you're a med student. You didn't even hyphenate it. Secondly, you're working on a false precedent. What is your evidence of this so called creation? Creation =/= Existence.
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@LuZ-rd5yl No, not at all. I work alongside plenty of Christian doctors. I don't believe you because you didn't know the basics of science. I think you're claiming you're a pre-med student to make yourself seem more credible. As of this moment, no. Philosophy needs evidence. Math needs proof. I'm currently in medical school, and if you are a pre-med major, then you have a long way to go before a MC will accept you. You should pick a profession thats suited to your strengths. Good luck.
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@LuZ-rd5yl I'm sorry if they hurt. I'm very distrusting of people who try to hype themselves up, but I can truly admit when I'm wrong. If your faith drives you to go for your goal, then by all means, pursue it. While we may not have the same belief system, we can both be damn good people. Yeah it is. Even harder doing it online because of this virus outbreak. What track of medicine are you pursuing?
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Lizzie Allen I doubt God would have an issue, since he actively calls for abortion in some parts of the Bible.
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Anecdotal evidence, but I know exactly 0 unhealthy vegans. Her stance has nothing to do with veganism and everything to do with her own personality.
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Damaris Martínez I'm not surprised that we're bitter after we're being told we are going to hell and tried to have our rights stripped.
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@theultimatebiblebeliever4448 Because he was wrong and a moron. He tried to say she wasn't an atheist when she is. Agnostic is a redundant term. Everyone should be agnostic.
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Not really. Depends on who you're buying it from.
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@BigMamaBlack The federal law says nothing about private sales. That is a state by state decision. In which 38 out of 50 provide no restrictions on private sales.
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@BigMamaBlack I feel sorry for you.
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Once you are pregnant, it's not longer preventable. Condoms cannot be used by everyone and sometimes fail. Birth control cannot be taken by everyone and sometimes fail. Aborting the fetus when it is non sentient and being a biological parasite on me is STILL my choice.
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Stephanie Rosenow Most doctors will not perform any kind of operation on you until you are halfway into your 30's because you could suddenly decide you want to have children. Murderers are only charged with a double homicide if the mother is 5 months along or more, because that is when the fetus starts showing signs of sentience. Life in general is inherently not valuable. I agree with abortion being the last option, and if things changed, maybe one day we could end abortion. But the law will not change until these conditions are met.
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Stephanie Rosenow It shouldn't be about life. It should be about sentience. A fetus is not a child. I understand you not like abortion, but it's important to distinguish these two things.
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Stephanie Rosenow A fetus isn't a child, so no. Life doesn't matter. Sentience is what matters. If you cared about life, you'd never harm anything, including being anti death penalty and vegan. At a base level, we're all a cluster of cells. But no, I think a fetus is more than that. It's a developing human. I lost my uterus to a murderer, so I know how that feels. Once again, it's a fetus and they cannot suffer, as they lack a brainstem or brain. If you can have a child and take care of it, please do. But don't force others too. They'll only abuse those children when they're sentient
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Stephanie Rosenow No, I'm using it as an argument against your statement that life was valuable. If life were so valuable to you, then one would assume ALL LIFE regardless of innocence should be protected. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite. You can believe children are innocent. Some are and some aren't. But a fetus is not a child.
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I believe they're referring to private sales and confuse not needing a background check for these sales as this so-called "loophole."
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Vegans or just extremists?
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Tim Account Not until its sentient. From a legal perspective.
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Tim Account Depends on the stage its in.
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That is not a proven fact. You would never survive eating 100% meat. Your digestive system is not designed for that. That being said, you can live a perfectly healthy life eating meat. You can also live a perfectly healthy life, without supplements, being vegan.
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Anyone who says it isn't human flunked biology. Being human doesn't matter. A woman has the right to bodily autonomy.
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Yeah...I'd still be poly.
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@victoriamoreno4966 Except that doesn't happen except with late term abortions, which are nearly exclusively for medical purposes. Also no. Most abortions take place before the end of the first trimester.
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Which you can get on a vegan diet.
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@shsjs30 I'm glad you are privileged enough to be able to afford to see an OBGYN and afford to take birth control. Unfortunately, there's a lot of people that's aren't. Yes, I agree. Abstain if you can. But to claim that access to contraception isn't hard is very short sighted and depends entirely on where in the country you live. There are consequences. There are also consequences to those consequences. No, no it doesn't. For once, stop being dishonest. Murder is a legal term. A term defined by the fact that it's unlawful, which killing is not. Birth control is designed to prevent fertilization, so no. It physically can't be a form of birth control. But that aside, what person do you know that just goes out and shells 600-800 dollars to have an abortion every time they get pregnant? That simply doesn't happen. If you're trying to say that sometimes abortion is immediately jumped to after a pregnancy is discovered, then I agree. That's still not birth control. I highly doubt your claims, but even if you did have people that told you that, that doesn't make what they said true.
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There are currently 44,700 children in the US alone waiting to be adopted. Guess what percentage of them will be kicked out at 18 with no education, no job skills, and no financial stability. 87% of our current prison population spent over a year in foster care, either for abuse or adoption. Congrats. Your child was one of the lucky ones. Meanwhile, I was permanently disabled and failed by the state because my mother couldn't care for me. Anecdotal evidence isn't worth a damn.
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@VsStudiosPA Unless the adoption is a private adoption, children are placed into foster care by the state and adopted out. There are 2 different types of adoption. Private and state. Nearly all adoptions are state adoptions, because most people cannot afford to hire a lawyer for a private adoption. I do this for a living.
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The fact that I still have to pay more money to the people sitting on death row than I would for them sitting in prison for life.
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The whole purpose of sex is to procreate only if you're religious. Sex is meant to be pleasurable. Many people who cannot procreate have sex because it's a naturally healthy thing to do, both physically and for a relationship. Just because a fetus is human, and is medically alive, is not an argument. It should be about sentience, not life.
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No he isn't.
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@sil5771 I did. Thats why I know he's wrong.
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@sil5771 Its always funny to me that when people realize they're wrong, they immediately drop the conversation.
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@shapeshift13 Medical errors aren't even in the top 10 of the leading causes of death in the US. That is not to say medical errors do not occur, but I'm interested to know how a doctor ruined your life.
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You cannot both disbelieve and believe at the same time. That is a paradox. There is no such thing as just an agnostic. You either believe or you don't. Most agnostics are atheists that don't like to refer to themselves as such. That doesn't mean you aren't one. "Being open minded to both" is being an agnostic atheist.
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@devanhughes8060 And reread what I said. You cannot simultaneously disbelieve and believe. If I ask you if you believe in God and your answer is anything other than yes, you are an atheist. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. You, based on what you are saying, are an agnostic atheist. Agnostic deals with knowledge. Has nothing to do with belief.
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@devanhughes8060 Exactly. KNOWLEDGE not BELIEF. You CANNOT say you both BELIEVE and DISBELIEVE. That is a PARADOX. Agnosticism is not a middle ground between theism and atheism. You are either a gnostic atheist, gnostic theist, agnostic atheist or agnostic theist.
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Just because someone believes it doesn't make it fact. That makes you a liar. No, it is his opinion that is faulty as well.
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Its not just for procreation. Thats its basic function. Its a pleasure response. It activates the same neuroreceptors that people have when they do drugs. It releases natural endorphins that act as a painkiller. So what if its for our pleasure? You come first in your own life.
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Thats...not how a food chain is measured. At all. Food chains are based on trophic levels. Not intelligence.
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@SilentDaydreams No we aren't. Not scientifically.
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Which she stated more than once she didn't believe in.
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Then it should not have to use my uterus to develop.
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@ethanm.2411 I think human rights are equal and your right to life should not be at the expense of someone else. I think abortion should be a last resort and should be considered carefully. Precisely. It can't develop anywhere else. And I should not lose my consent because a fetus wants a host for 9 months. That should be a decision left up to me. Who placed it there doesn't really matter because consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. But steps should be taken to minimize this possibility, and people don't always take them unfortunately.
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@ethanm.2411 Mine sometimes don't either and I have no idea why
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No actually. You have that backwards. When its harder to buy a gun legally, you literally hand cartels the key to operating. Its much easier to get a gun illegally.
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Actually, most mass shootings are committed with legally obtained firearms.
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1) The rabies vaccine is a series of shots over usually 6 to 8 weeks. It does nothing to a person that does not have the virus. 2) Not only does nothing in the Amish faith prevent people from getting immunized, the rate of VPD's are extremely high in the Amish community. 3) Nothing would happen. Vaccines are dead strains of a virus. 4) Because like everything else, side effects occur. Should I not trust my seatbelt because 1 in 77 people who die in car crashes die because of fractures caused by a seatbelt?
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Depends on where you live.
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@FuzzyBunnyEars Here where I live in Indiana is cheaper.
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But humans are not at the top of the food chain. Thats not the way food chains work from a scientific perspective.
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@aleksandarar5489 to be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators themselves.
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You'd be scientifically incorrect then.
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@chocolateprincess8543 Thats perfectly fine. But some can.
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Then you bought it from a dealer or in a state where there are restrictions. You do not need a background check on private sales in most states
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You show me a fetus that can develop without using a woman's organ, and you may have a point. Its not homicide to remove something you don't want from your body. Its not my fault the fetus dies if removed from my uterus.
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@LaviniaEllerton When did I say it wasn't a human life? It is. The thing is, that doesn't matter. No, it usually is killed first and then removed. But you do realize that is a consequence either way right? You make it sound like if there was a way to remove the fetus without killing it, and keep it alive, that it wouldn't be done. And that's frankly not reality. Actually, no its not. One, a fetus has no legal right to life nor is it considered a person under the law. And two, abortion is not unlawful. It actually isn't murder. Killing does not always equate to murder.
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@espakuz2450 Morality is subjective. Manslaughter would be accidental death. Its not murder or manslaughter. Its just killing.
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No. And even if it did, thats not the point.
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No it shouldn't and it shoild be abolished in the US. It is not beneficial and your opinion on whether or not someone deserves to live should not be a foundation for a law.
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Vaccines do not cause catastrophic harm. That is simply fear mongering. Vaccines, like any drug, can have mild, moderate or severe reactions. There's no way to tell if a vaccine is damaging, because its not on its own. Its how the vaccine interacts with your body's genetic makeup. Nothing is put in them to cause harm or that does cause harm unless you're allergic to one of the ingredients. And for the last time, vaccines DO NOT and CANNOT cause autism. Autism is a GENETIC DISORDER. You are either born with it, or you're not. Period. They have. Vaccine court exists for a reason. When it ACTUALLY IS the vaccines fault.
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@amandadangerfieldpiano And you jump to the assumption that the flu shot is what killed him? What was his official cause of death? Because if it had been verified that the flu shot killed him, that would have been worldwide news.
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Aluminum Wire Flowers No actually. Most of us don't actually care how the universe was created or the meaning of life. There's a difference between fighting and intelligent debate and discussion.
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Because the small chance of you getting a reaction does not outweigh the potential life-threatening conditions that these illnesses bring.
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Depends on who you buy it from and where. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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Not on private sales in most states. Which is where the "gun show loophole" occurs. Though its neither a loophole nor restricted to shows.
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@ratofvengence Actually, yes they do. Since I said "mass shootings" and not "shootings in general".
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The vast majority of people are mentally ill. Why should my rights be taken from me because I have anxiety and social autism? The problem is where to draw the line. Not everyone who is mentally ill is violent.
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Private sales exist and do not require a background check. She just fell for the red herring.
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Thats not true at all though. Anecdotal as it is, I know 0 unhealthy vegans. You can get everything you need from a vegan based fortified diet.
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@cashglobe4198 That isn't true at all. There is no vitamin a vegan cannot get naturally except B-12, which can be added in almond, soy and rice milks.
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@cashglobe4198 There is nothing you need you cannot get from a vegan diet. Having fortified foods is not the same thing as taking supplements. Hell, most everyone eats or drinks fortified foods. Yes it is. Just because we can eat meat in moderation without ot being harmful doesn't mean we need it.
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@cashglobe4198 i don't have to. I am a vegan. I take no supplements and am healthy.
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@strive4252 You're experiences are unique, but you yourself are not. You are not inherently valuable. Value of life is entirely subjective.
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@strive4252 No one else matches your DNA? You failed biology. Perhaps no one matches you identically (unless you're a twin) but your DNA is similar to that of all other humans. No, I'm just like other humans.
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Funny. Because the Bible certainly supports abortion.
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@CarolinaMangos No need. I could quote you plenty of verses that call for abortion. You just want to cherry pick, and I'm not interested in listening to liars.
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Adoption is an invalid argument. Yes, adoption should be looked into. But you make it sound like you just walk up, hand them your baby, and walk away. That is not how it works. Theres paperwork and money that's involved. Even then, theres no guarentee that the child would ever be adopted. Guess what happens then? They're kicked out with nothing. Over 70% of juveniles I see were adopted or in foster homes. By the way, your God outright supports and even calls for abortion. You may want to read your Bible again.
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@catfishbilly9191 The adoption process often takes years to finalize. You are extremely lucky if you find one within 9 months. I dont believe in God. Murder by definition is unlawful. Abortion is not unlawful
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@catfishbilly9191 Just because I dont believe in God doesnt mean I haven't read or dont understand the Bible.
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A vast majority of the population has mental illness, depression anxiety and OCD being the most common. Mental illness should not stop you from your rights. However, with more aggressive mental problems, I think its important to talk to your therapist (if you have one) and your loved ones, especially if you have suicidal tendencies. You absolutely can and should be allowed the option of owning a firearm.
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@eaaaaaaa200 I personally do need a gun. But that's because I work in the criminal justice field. Do most people need a gun? No, probably not. Should it be their right to own one regardless? Yes. You see much more property and violent crime in California then you do in Texas, both being above the average.
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@maddybrown2320 "stick a knife in the pregnant womans body, its called a double homicide" Only if she's 20 weeks or more. Way to show your lack of knowledge about the US federal law. If the killing is not unlawful, it isn't murder.
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@maddybrown2320 Abortion is unlawful in 1 state which is currently facing problems from the federal government. It is NOT unlawful. The state does not trump the feds. I doubt you know how its done, because all you'll see is surgical abortions. Those are not common anymore. Most abortions are performed via a pill that forces the body to abort the fetus. Then the fetus is delived as it would if it was a miscarriage.
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Finnegan V I'd be a bit bitchy too if I was constantly interrupted and told I wasn't an atheist when I was.
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I'm sure your last question was rhetorical, but I'll answer it anyway. Its because the coyote has a nutritional need for meat, whereas you do not. At least, not if you live in a developed country.
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Genuine answer: I don't love one partner more than the other. People only assume that because they assume you cannot romantically love multiple people equally.
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No it doesn't and that has been continuously disproven by criminologists. A person who is going to commit a crime worthy of the death penalty either a) cannot think rationally or b) doesn't care. Capital punishment has no effect on those who are not scared to die.
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@Racools Hi hello. Didn't get a notification.
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But you literally don't. Private sellers exist at shows as well and do not need to perform a background check in a majority of states. Still isn't a loophole. Its just state vs federal laws.
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@nicolegoh9748 Veganism is certainly healthy without animal proteins. You do not need to consume animal flesh. You eat it because you want to, not because you must. Nothing wrong with that, as you can be healthy on both diets.
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@nicolegoh9748 I have no idea what you are on about. You are entirely wrong. Protein is protein regardless of where it comes from. The body, in reality, is not meant to digest meat. Its just it won't hurt you in moderation. I'm a vegan because its healthier for me personally
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@gailjones9461 That may be your belief, but other religions and sects say the same thing. Why are they wrong and your right? Well, no. God doesn't give you a choice. According to you, he gives you an ultimatum. And any God like that is a monster that is undeserving of attention. Period.
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@gailjones9461 Well, no. You did say they were wrong. Because you said there is only one true God. How do you know that? Or is that just a baseless belief? You are taking that risk. You understand that right? You still may well be on your way to hell.
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Good and evil don't inherently exist. Its a subjective opinion.
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Thats because you are monogamous. You can be committed to more than one person.
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Why? If people out there are happy, why can't they be loyal to more than one person?
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Because they don't in all cases. Depends on who you're buying from and in what state.
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@mrmatticus9693 No they don't. I've never had a background check at a show. Most of the shows around here consist of private sellers.
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@mrmatticus9693 Thats a lie. You only need a background check by law federally when buying from an FFL dealer. I have never had a background check for any of my guns.
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@mrmatticus9693 You have clearly never been to a gun show.
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@mrmatticus9693 Then you live in a state that either doesn't allow private sales at shows or requires background checks on private sales as well. Hate to break it to you, but thats not the law for the majority of the country. I have purchased all my guns at shows, from private sellers, and have never had a background check.
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No, its just a fact. We're all a cluster of cells. If I were to grant you that abortion is wrong, I would still argue its the lesser of two evils depending on circumstances.
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@shadowdestroyer5679 Most abortions are not performed surgically. What you are referring to is late-term abortions, which are illegal in most states and which I do not agree with. Wanna know how most abortions are performed? Medication that forces the body to self-abort. You can't feel anything without a brainstem.
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@shadowdestroyer5679 What isn't true? You'll have to be more specific.
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No, but most people aren't Ted Bundy. His point was we don't bother rehabilitating the ones we can, instead focusing on punishment, and ultimately harming them further. Deserving of something is a fallacy, and should not be the basis of your argument.
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Good advice. But that doesn't really help after the fact.
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Because the definition he was trying to give is wrong.
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Depends entirely on what state your in and who you're buying it from. Took me about 45 minutes to find and purchase my first handgun. No background check required.
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@ryx1993 All I have to do in my state is show an ID proving I am a resident of that state. A background check is only mandatory if you are buying it from an FFL licensed dealer. If you really find that difficult to believe, you've done 0 gun research.
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Your subjective opinion should not be the foundation for a law. Whether or not someone deserves it is an appeal to emotion fallacy.
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Not necessarily. But vegans abstain from animal products, including clothing.
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Atheists are not absent from that. You are not oppressed or degraded upon nearly as much as we are in this country. Regardless of denomination, your strife is limited to in-fighting between sects, and the occasional anti-theist radical. Saying you're an atheist carries way more negative baggage.
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So is forcing your ideals on others.
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You mean synthetic meat or just vegan food in general?
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So what about non-binary people? Their neither male nor female. Some intersex people do not see themselves as either male or female. Gender is, and always will be, a spectrum.
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@JulianQuiamhor What? Respect pro-life? No. I don'.
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@Henry-gv3cy Yes. Yes I am.
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Very few vaccines contain mercury and mercury comes in different forms. Take a chemistry course.
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@azreilrahman8735 Yeah the difference is the research backs up vaccines. I see dentists all the time promoting flouride free, but the amount use matters. Tuna contains more mercury than you would ever get in a vaccine.
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Ashley The only testimony to supposedly eyewitness accounts of Jesus is in the Bible. That is not historical evidence. The bible wasn't even written by eyewitnesses. The earliest books were written 30 years after Jesus died. Please show me the evidence that proves Jesus was crucified and ressurected.
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There is not always a background check to buy a gun. Depends on where you live and who is selling. Private sellers also sell at shows and do not need to run a background check.
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@LuisDuran-tm5ft You can literally google the laws. The only time a background check is required by federal law is if you are buying from a dealer. All other gun laws are left up to the states. Private sales can and do occur at gun shows, and there is no mandatory background check on a private sale in 75% of the country. Do some research. You really make pro-gun look bad when you don't understand the law.
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The problem is, people will. Its a natural desire.
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@KingGino7 I'm in no way close minded towards people of faith. Im close minded towards bigoted assholes who use their faith as an excuse to hurt others
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I'm not pro-death penalty but I would get the feeling they would say because of diversity and population. Though depending on your definition of "western country" the US certainly does not have a higher crime rate.
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@thexamlop "probably more diversity?" or where there is? We're on the same side here. Just you need to clarify what you meant by "western" nation, since "western" usually means "developed". I could give you a whole list of developed nations that have higher homicide rates than the US, Russia probably being the biggest one.
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@ClassyGyal Uh...Canada has no legal rights for civilians to possess firearms. Very few people in Canada have handguns, and they don't have the population nor border issues of the US. Not only that, they have a knife crime epidemic just like Europe.
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@adadain570 Life does have value. What is doesn't have is inherent value.
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@adadain570 But it is fact. Life does not have inherent value. That doesn't mean it isn't valuable.
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@adadain570 No it doesn't offend me. Its fine to have a different outlook on life.
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IssyFishyy That is absolutely not true. Not believing value is something that exists just because you're born does not mean life has no meaning. Thats just a straight up lie. Many people are afraid tp die because of people that scare them into thinking there is an afterlife where they will suffer because they don't follow specific rules. It has NOTHING to do with the value of life. I'm not going to actively do dangerous things, if that's what you're asking. I don't actively chase death. But I will not be stagnant and take 0 risks just because death is there. Why would I be worried about my family? When my time comes, I know they'll be okay. What's actually sad is your abhorrent fear of death.
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@travisjohnson7065 Since when is the Bible pro-life?
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@Sz Tiffany zS I never denied it is alive. It is. But that doesn't matter. Sentience should be the deciding factor, not life.
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@Sz Tiffany zS I believe comatose individuals should be allowed to pass on. Someone with no quality of life. However, this is why I believe in advanced directives. A will, so your family and friends know exactly what you want done. Should they be allowed to live? If that's what they wanted when they were conscious. That's a decision that's ultimately up to the family. I only know what I would do.
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@Sz Tiffany zS A child in the womb is not "virtually comatose". They aren't sentient. That's why I made the distinction of abortion being off the table when it is their body. I.E. when they are no longer biologically dependent on me as a mother. I do have that choice, because it is my body they are destroying to survive. Once they are independant from me (when the brainstem develops and sentience begins) that's when it's no longer my choice.
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@Sz Tiffany zS No it doesn't. A fetus literally steals vital nutrients you need to keep your body healthy. This is why neo natal care is so stressed by doctors. I'm not saying you can't adjust, because you can if you're willing. It's not terribly difficult. But if you dont try, not only will you probably lose the fetus, you can do some serious damage to your own organs.
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Would probably look suspicious as hell, but a private seller at a gun show has no limit on how many firearms they can sell you.
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Congratulations. Your part of a few group who wasnt aborted and didn't go through immense pain and suffering. Not everyone was that lucky.
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Thats because you have a good immune system, probably eat healthy, live in a clean environment, and everyone around you is vaccinated.
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Atheism is a lack of belief in God. She doesn't believe in God, therefore she's an atheist. So no. He wasn't right.
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@Chinchu86 She said she couldn't say there was no God, because no one knows. But she made it clear she didn't believe in one. That would make her an agnostic atheist.
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They have sensors yes. That is not the same as feelings. Feelings require a brain. Plants are not sentient. Animals are.
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@lanternlant1280 I am abhorrently against it.
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That isn't true in all cases. The law surrounding firearm sales are mostly left up to the states. Private sellers can sell at shows, and most of the country do not place restrictions on these sales. Its about who you buy from and where you buy.
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@richardmeiners6535 I am pro-gun, so I don't wish to imply that I am not. However, your statement about persons at a gun show MUST be a dealer is ABSOLUTELY false. There is no federal law mandating that persons be licensed dealers. In fact, most gun shows run are NOT dealers, because you will get your gun cheaper from a 3rd party than from a dealer.
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@richardmeiners6535 Alright, understood. That is not the case for a majority of states, which is why I brought that up.
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Ted Bundy never escaped prison. He escaped once from a courthouse, and once from a jail. And he was caught within 24 hours one time, and within a week the next. He had no other victims during these times.
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@travisjohnson7065 Yes it does. What I was trying to say was that the fetuses life cycle begins at implantation, because no life is produced if the egg does not implant. I know the egg and sperm are living, I was just referring to the fetus itself.
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@travisjohnson7065 That's what I was clairfying
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So what about chromosomal abnormalities? XXY? XXYY?
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@codylonker6758 We do not base sex on strictly chromosomes. Chromosomal expression is not binary.
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That is a very untrue generalization.
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Its because a non vaccinated person who is a carrier of a pathogen could be asymptomatic and allow that pathogen to mutate into a strain that no one is protected from, like what happens with the flu. The ebola pandemic in the Congo is a wonderful example.
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And here we have a moron in its natural habitat. Please take a biology class.
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Most ethical vegans take issue with sentience over life.
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@matafakal1735 Its not the fact that animals are alive thats the issue. Its that their sentient, and ethical vegans have a severe problem with the animal hierarchy.
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Should be considered. But its not always a valid option.
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@sunnyskys2428 Because that's reality? Private adoptions are legal processes, and there is a number of reasons why the state may not take your child
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@flowersmakemehappy834 Yep. Just fuck the right to liberty. Hey, I need a kidney. You deserve to be forced to give me one.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 Abortion isn't murder, so I fail to see a comparison.
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@flowersmakemehappy834 And that isn't the definition of murder, any more than shooting someone who comes onto your property is.
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Any show that consists of private sellers can sell without a background check in most states.
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Because in general, being vegan is healthier.
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@idklost6331 It's a fetus, not a child. Yes, it has its own DNA. Heartbeat means nothing.
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So I guess fuck anyone with cancer then. Tumors have DNA seperate from their hosts.
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No, he was not correct. Plenty of atheists, myself included, believe in the supernatural. An atheist is someone who does not believe SPECIFICALLY in a God or Gods. That tells you nothing else about what other supernatural beliefs they hold. Also, agnostic is a useless term. Everyone should be agnostic.
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Perhaps rational vegans can change your opinion.
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@remutar6979 I like to consider myself a rational vegan
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@remutar6979 Probably not. The minority does scream the loudest
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@IssyFishyy If they wanted the best for me, then they wouldn't make false claims and threats. They would say something like "believing in Jesus makes me feel good so give it a try", which still isn't convincing but you know. Then most Christians wouldn't be reasonable, because most Christians I've met and talked to say that, including yourself.
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@IssyFishyy It is a threat. Telling you to repent does nothing but imply that if you don't repent, you go to Hell. No, no. You haven't used an ad hominem. You have, however, told me more than once I was going to Hell. Which, in fairness, I would if your Bible is right. Oh absolutely. Some atheists are like that.
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@IssyFishyy The main point of your message is biased, in my personal opinion. You and I clearly interpret things differently. Yes you have. But that's okay.
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@IssyFishyy Again, its not objective. Because what you claim to be saving me from has not been shown to exist. Inflection is the difference. The problem is that something shown to be safe isn't comparable to a potentially fictional world. I could easily go back and look at comments and show that you have. But you'd be right according to your belief. So I don't take "you'll go to hell" as an insult.
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@IssyFishyy I know what the point of your comment is. I'm just offering you the other side of the coin of how people who are not religious can interpret comments such as the original. It was a perspective thing. You don't know what the objective point of the original comment was, as you did not make the original comment. You can only interpret your meaning from it. You can't determine tone by reading. Again, you pick it up as concerned. I do not. Without clarification, both of us could be right or wrong. It woulf be up to the OC to clarify. I found several, but I don't really care. Again, if your Bible is true, then I am going to hell. Not sure what you even find irrational about saying that. And I wasn't saying you were telling me to "go to hell". You were saying "you will go to hell".
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That fetus is attached to you. It biologically is dependant on the mother. Without her, it has nothing. That is HER body and HER right.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s You could make the argument it is a person, and I would even agree with you. That being said, it isn't sentient at the time of most abortions. It does have the same rights. You are trying to give it rights OVER the mother. One persons right does not supersede another. Sex isn't to have kids. Its a part of life. I'm all for safe sex and exploring all avenues. That includes abortion
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We don't need the death penalty. Just because in your emotional fallacy you believe someone deserves the death penalty doesn't mean we actually need one.
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I would say its obvious you haven't read the Bible, as the word "abortion" is never mentioned. However, God condones and even demands in several passeges and stories that killing an unborn is fine. Also, abortion isn't muder. Thats just a fact
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@crazmonkee123 Its fine to believe in what you want, as long as you understand why we dont.
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That is certainly not the the majority, and we don't even bother trying to rehabilitate the ones we can.
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@Can_think_of_a_name Who are you to decide that?
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Yeah so is wearing mixed fabrics.
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Try not to get stabbed or fire bombed
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Foster care is any child under the jurdistiction of the state. This includes anyone put up for adoption, unless a private adoption is had, which can happen with newborns, but doesn't always.
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Any show in 38 states where private sellers are vendors...
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The reason people make those jokes isn't to be funny. Its to emphasize the serious risk that anti-vax parents pose. If you sincerely refuse to get vaccinated at all on the grounds that vaccines have side effects, you don't deserve a healthy child. Because you cannot take care of it.
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@ilya34prvur19 No, not even children.
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He wasn't right, but not because he called her agnostic. He was wrong because he said she was not an atheist, which she is. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive terms. You can be both.
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@benbalogh1652 Both are different. But they aren't mutually exclusive. One applies to belief and the other to knowledge.
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Abortion isn't a moral issue either. Its a legal issue. Morality is subjective which, by the way, the Bible certainly condones. Murder is unlawful by definition. Abortion is not unlawful amd is therefore not murder.
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That's called a cheater and it hurts just as much when a monogamous person pretends to be poly, just to call us nasty things.
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And what do most of those factory farms crops go to? Animal and livestock feed. I'm just playing devil's advocate.
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From what I have heard, no.
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@See-if_I_care So someone who jaywalks, smokes weed, or speeds should be given a death sentence?
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@leoservin4806 You can't hate the sin and love the sinner. Hating the sin is hating the sinner. This supposed "sin" is their very identity. You cannot hate that without hating them. Then again, you guys are known for your cherry picking.
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@leoservin4806 Sin doesn't exist unless you're religious. The difference is your "sin" doesn't define who you are. People who are gay are defined by that. You cannot give characteristics to a being you cannot prove exists.
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We can. We don't need to.
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Uh-huh. Easily adopted huh? Then why does the average newborn spend 3-4 years in foster care before even being considered by a family?
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@deepSea__ The majority of adoptions are not private, as the family's usually do not have the money to hire a lawyer. Most of the time, adoptions are done through the foster care system. Foster care refers to anyone under the care of the state. A private adoption costs money, as its a legal process. Where its free to put a child in a state home.
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@deepSea__ It is free for the mother to put the child up for adoption if she puts it in a state agency. That is foster care. It WILL NOT be free to put a child up for a private adoption. That is a legal process and a lawyer is hired. I'm not doing your legwork. If you really looked, you'd find it. And SOMETIMES your fees will be paid by the adoptive family. Not always, and I would argue not even often. But that certainly varies more
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Or you can base your judgment on the fact that it doesn't matter if its human because human life has no inherent value. Its where you place that value that determines the route you go.
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No, she is both. As are most atheists. Actually, as are ALL honest people. She does not believe in God. That makes her atheist
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@arky950 An atheist is someone who does not believe in God. It is not the statement there is no God. Words have colloquial definition. Your definition only applies to philosophy. I'm an agnostic atheist. I don't know if a God exists, but I don't believe in one.
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You do realize people have egg allergies and there are multiple egg free influenza vaccines right? And most vegans are not against animal testing if its necessary for medication required to live. Thats an exception. I don't care what you eat. I just don't think those points were very strong.
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Humans can't be carnivorous for extended periods of time. You would destroy your digestive system.
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@alkeryn1700 You do not have the ability to eat only meat. I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
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@alkeryn1700 Your body literally runs on carbs. Show me one person who is carnivorous. Who ONLY eats meat and nothing else.
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Depends on who my parents were. Knowing what my life would be, I would have 100% chosen death. Sex is about more than reproduction, and not wanting a child should not prevent you from doing something natural and healthy. Rape, incest and medical complications make up about 2.3% of abortions. Thats hundreds of thousands of people. And you want to take away their bodily autonomy. Regardless of whether or not YOU believe they are human beings (which is something I even agree on) their rights DO NOT trump the mothers rights. The Constitution does not work that way. I am a woman. I am also a feminist in the traditional sense. You, as a male, SHOULD have a voice and say. You fertilized the egg. However, it is MY BODY the fetus is using and I HAVE final say. The fetus does have the same cells (i.e. red and white). I assume you mean the same genetics. Also, your blood type is determined by your parents. Also, lets not forget the only way a fetus forms is by attaching to the placenta of the uterus via the umbilical cord and using the nutrients of the mother. It is her body. It is her womb supporting that development. Without it, it does not exist.
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@isaiah2309 Yes actually. Late ter abortions (illegal under federal law by the way) do disturb me. However, that is not the majority of abortions. Since its illegal by law, it is murder. And I have always thought it was a human. Because it is.
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@isaiah2309 Abstince does not work for most. The human body, wants sex. By all means, be abstinent if you can. Even naturally it isn't just about reproduction, although that certainly plays a big role. Yes, absolutely you should use protection if you can, but as you said, thats not 100% effective. Life being a "beautiful thing" is just your subjective opinion. I don't personally believe life is inherently valuable. Also, I've never understood the whole "abortion is convenient". Its not. Its not covered by health insurance and its demonized by the public.
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@isaiah2309 Also, there are currently 41,000 of children in foster care waiting for good homes. Where are the parents lining up? They don't. Putting your child into the system does not guarantee them a happy life. Statistically, about a quarter of those who are in foster care for a long period of time will either commit suicide or end up in prison as adults. You are not treated well by the state, not given an education, taught very little life skills, and are kicked out at 18.
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No, they are absolutely against vaccines. It took my all of 10 minutes to find facebook posts about them and the "issues" vaccines cause.
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@conversationtosaurusrex So why did you say he converted to Atheism? That's not true.
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@conversationtosaurusrex He never once said he was an atheist. He remained a Catholic for his whole life and claimed his Nazi movement was Christian. He very much believed in God.
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@conversationtosaurusrex once again, regardless of what you say, Hitler was a Christian. Hitler himself even said he was Christian and stated the Nazi movement was Christian. Now, do I believe he was a good representation? No. But it is very obvious he believed in God, therefore he was not an atheist.
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@conversationtosaurusrex Because he wasn't, and you saying he was is a lie. Did he depreciate Christainty? Yes. Was he probably just pretending to be Christian? Perhaps. But he expressed belief in a God and in Jesus. described Jesus as an "Aryan fighter" who struggled against "the power and pretensions of the corrupt Pharisees"and Jewish materialism. He clearly believed in God, even if he felt the established version of Christianity was wrong. Why are you so hellbent on saying he wasn't an atheist? There are plenty of other asshole atheists. Stalin is a good example
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Because its a natural bodily function. Because some women are victims of pimps and traffickers. Because its sometimes their only source of income. Take your pick.
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@Slimchamberlain0 None of what I said is rape. And yes, you're right. People should be more responsible. That doesn't negate their right.
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And abortion isn't murder.
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The Bible says she's going to hell though. So, I guess your asshole God has spoken.
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ty is hashtag amazeballs No, she's an agnostic atheist. Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Everyone is agnostic about something they don't know for sure.
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Because that is usually, statistically, the case. And to disavow that just because some people can live successfully when they've had a bad childhood is ignorant, delusional and disrespectful to those many more that don't
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@jai7money541 I never said I would necessarily, though I did have to go through an abortion with my first child. I don't believe in a God. I simply believe that if I can't give my child the ability to thrive in a loving environment, than I would rather them not suffer. I love my children and I had them at a point where I am able to care for them. But so many people are not in my position, and they have a right to do what's best for them. I have the right to deny a life when it is infringing on my rights. It is not my fault a fetus cannot grow outside of my womb. I, honestly, wish it could. Forcing your ideals on someone else is ignorant, delusional and disrespectful.
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@Humanity Galatica Nope. I'm simply telling people how I see it and my point of view. I have no intention of changing anyone's mind. Meerly offering them a different perspective. Forcing beliefs, even if it is the belief of the majority, is not okay to me.
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@Humanity Galatica It is also those struggles that lead to mental illness, hardship, and crime. Do not stand to lecture me on the hardships of life. Don't grandstand about how struggle is better than death unless you have been on BOTH sides.
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And that Christian was being a rude jackass. I'd get defensive too if I was told what I was and was constantly being talked over
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IssyFishyy Morality is not, and will never be, objective. Just as in the US, abortion is not, and will never be, murder. You stating it does not make it fact
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IssyFishyy A fetus is not a person. It is a member of the human species, but it does not fit the definition of personhood. And that is how we legally classify humans. Morality is subjective.
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@Humanity Galatica Murder is a legal term
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@Humanity Galatica Correct.
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@Humanity Galatica Its not murder by the definition of murder in the US. That is not subjective. Now the definition of murder is subjective from country to country.
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@ratofvengence No, it still doesn't change crime statistics. It just changes gun crime statistics.
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That is not how that works. Yes, it certainly strengthens their immune system, but it does not do what a vaccine does.
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@IssyFishyy Except, surprisingly when I do, nothing but pro-religious sites come up. Nothing unbiased by an independent party
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@ugandaknuckles5691 Yes. I hate toxic people in general.
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Because its true. And if it were called out, it would have sparked the conversation on private vs dealer sales. Probably didn't have time for it. I've personally never had a background check at a show.
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Because consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Having sex does not mean I give permission for a fetus to use my uterus.
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Look at all these comments of people who don't know the difference between a fetus and a baby. You know what's psychotic? Forcing your views on others. That fetus at the time of most abortions is biologically dependant on the mother. So it IS her body! It's ATTACHED to her. Double homicide depends on how far the mother is in the pregnancy.
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Children who aren't vaccinated are a danger to others. They risk those who can't be vaccinated and they are vectors for mutations.
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You can be moral and vegan you know...
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"How do you feel gay at 5 years old" Becauae you are born with hormones that determine your sexual preference AT BIRTH. It was not put there. If you're gay, you will be gay regardless if you had anyone who was gay around. All love should be with whoever the hell you want it to be, assuming you have consent of your partner. You don't just live ONE of your kids. And while the part of the brain is different depending on if you love or are in love, the chemicals released are exactly the same, just in different levels. You're just ignorant. Admit it and learn.
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@criticclips1560 Unless in a life or death situation, it is unnecessary. From a scientific perspective anyway.
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@criticclips1560 My point was that from a scientific perspective, its unnecessary because it is not required. I'm not saying what's good and bad.
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No they can't. They do not have brains. They do however respond to outside stimuli chemically.
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@re71707 You can hardly conflate that with anything close to pain. That's a huge fallacy. They do not feel pain or fear on any level. They simply react to outside stimuli.
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Plan B is not cheap, not available everywhere and some women cannot take it. Condoms and birth control don't prevent pregnancy. They just lower the chances. No, its terminating a non-sentient fetuses devlopment. Some heartbeats cannot even be detected until 3 to 4 weeks after conception, and it isn't beating without the help of the mother. Abortion is not murder. Some of us who got the chance at life wished we didn't. Did you even consider that? Are you really that ignorant and selfish that you wod force misery on a mother and her child for your own gratification? Abortion being "wrong" is a subjective opinion. The purpose of a debate is not to change minds. Its to influence someone who has to made a decision and get the opposition to acknowledge your side. If your "pro-choice" you're not against abortion. I highly suggest you actually research how most abortions are done, because they're rarely done surgically. You don't know they would have had any of that anyway. Stop being dishonest. No, I didn't murder a human. I terminated a non-sentient parasite that was devloping by leeching off me. (In most cases). Here's a fun activity. Volunteer at a juvenile hall and listen to children as young as 8 scream about wishing they had been aborted becauae their lives were ruined at the hands of unfit parents.
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Not a gun store. A gun show. Gun stores require background checks. Not all gun shows do. Depends on who is selling.
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Death, however, should never be enacted unwillingly, especially by a body that likes to say "killing is wrong".
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First of all, because its not a baby. While we may call it a baby colloquially, "baby" means post utero. Its a fetus. Secondly, its because even if we grant the fetus the right to life (which it legally doesn't even have in the US), its rights stop where yours begin. Even if death is the ultimate consequence, I am not obligated to let you use my organ. This isn't trying to change your opinion. Just offer another perspective.
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@Douche_bag420 I understand, which is why I just gave you a different perspective.
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Because you don't in all cases?
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@DrzAnt12 And private sales also can happen at gun shows.
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@DrzAnt12 True. Hopefully they eventually discover that its not a loophole of its legal.
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Except that isn't a fact. Private sales at gun shows are under no legal obligation to provide a background check in a majority of states.
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@edelweiss6768 That means nothing. You aren't special hon. You're just another human. All organic matter is clumps of cells. Up to you how much value you put on everything.
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You don't have to be on the left for that and its because they have nothing to do with each other. Abortion has to do with your own legal rights and autonomy. Capital punishment has to do with you supporting the state in expensively executing someone for no benefit to society.
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@Fanofmusic106 A fetus is not a baby. No, nothing is wrong with me. I support a womans choice to do as she sees fit while pregnant. I am against the death penalty because it is not practical.
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Except murder is strictly a legal term, something abortion does not fall under. By the way, the abortion of a 6 month old fetus? Nearly done exclusively for medical reasons, as all late term abortions are.
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@judahmarx9742 Abortion is not murder. And I'm sorry. But your Bible is FULL of genocide. So I doubt your God, if it exists, cares.
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@judahmarx9742 I don't believe in your contradicting fairytale
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An abortion isn't murder. You aren't inherently valuable. Why not look at it from a different perspective?
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@safetygirl15 I do like anime. And sure. I love making new friends.
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The whole argument is it should not be up to the legal system who lives and who dies. It's not that people receive the death penalty often. That's the whole issue. Its rarely used, and provides no benefit to society. So it should be done away with. My tax dollars continue to get sucked into a useless system. So it ISNT pointless
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@stephen6397 The death penalty hasn't been axed in Pennsylvania. You still have capital punishment. And your claim is absolutely false. Violent crime, especially homicides, have been lower in non death penalty states since 1990. I don't care whether you are for or against the death penalty, but don't sit here and flat out lie to try and prove your argument.
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By definition, no. Humans are not predators. We are simply omnivorous. Most of your teeth are not designed for eating meat. And actually, evidence shows that if we stopped domesticating farm animals (that are fed about 93% of the crop harvest), you could see an end to starvation. I don't care what you eat though. Just correcting some misinformation.
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While most of what you said is correct, your last statement is completely wrong. Soybeans are an example of a vegan complete protein. You can eat meat. You just don't need to.
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Then you would settle down and start a family? I have a husband and a partner, as well as twins. Its not any different than a normal household, except there are two men in the house.
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@jeffreycraig4493 More than what? Another partner or me? If the latter, then I would respectfully decline. But my partner is asexual.
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@OK-pc1nt Nope. I simply fell in love with more than one person, as he did with me, and both myself and my husband wanted him around. I'm perfectly content being on my own actually. Was an only child for most of my life, but if everyone's in love and happy, I fail to see a problem. I don't think you're a douche. People are curious.
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@OK-pc1nt Yeah it tends to be. Polyamory doesn't necessarily mean an open relationship.
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@Bsmalls4142 Actually you are incorrect. Any sale that is NOT between a dealer and a party is a private sale. My father, for instance, does not need an FFL to sell me a gun. You are only required by law to have an FFL if you are a firearm dealer.
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@Bsmalls4142 That is absoutely not true. The federal law has nothing to do with private sales. Those are state laws and are handled by the state governments. You do not have to be an FFL dealer to legally sell a gun, unless you are selling out of state. Nor must you be an FFL dealer to sell at shows.
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@Bsmalls4142 But its not illegal. It would only be illegal if the private transfer was done to a known convicted felon. I'm pro gun, but you are spreading misinformation.
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Thats unhealthy and unnatural to most. The body naturally wants sex.
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I'm a vegan for health reasons, but I'll play devils advocate from an ethical vegan perspective. The main issue they see is an unnecessary slaughter of sentient animals, but also the hypocrisy of the hierarchy. If you killed and butchered a dog for food, people would be calling you a monster and you would be sent to prison. Why is a cow so much different? Dogs aren't apex predators and can be consumed. So why is one okay and the other not? Thats what I gather.
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Or how about choose the option best suited to your situation and have safe sex should you want it.
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Because vaccines don't protect you from getting the virus. They protect you from the severe, and sometimes lethal, complcations. Not only that, but your child could be a vector for mutation that is passed, no one is immune too. Sounds like you don't know how vaccines work.
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A fetus without sentience cannot give consent. A fetus inside the womb has rights equal to that of the mother. Its right to life does not supersede her right to bodily autonomy. Abortion is not murder. Thats not an opinion. Abortion is also not convenient. Quit pretending you care about life. You probably eat meat. Probably support the military. Probably own a gun. And are probably in favor of capital punishment.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s It makes me sad to hear that unfit parents abused and neglected their child until it died, or the state threw out a young adult with no chance of a future.
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@user-pp8ru6uu1s I absolutely agree abortion should be a last choice. The thing is...it should be a choice. And it usually is the last choice. A vast majority of the time, a woman chooses abortion because their partner abandons them and will not step up to support them or the child. Just because people have abortions doesn't mean they should never again have children. They made a decision about what was best for them at that time. Situations change. 1. Adoption is not always an option, nor is it always free. Also, it doesn't guarantee happiness. 2. You CANNOT just give your child away. That is child trafficking and is a felony. Its a LEGAL process. Unless of course, contracts are in place (such as a surrogate) and that requires MONEY to hire a LAWYER. If you want a child and are in the situation to raise one, more power to you. However, abortion is on the table for those who are not in that position.
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@bobbiedunlap4745 The point I was trying to make was if you claim to care about "LIFE" or claim "ALL LIFE IS VALUABLE" yet you are for those things, you are a hypocrite. Whether or not its human or innocent shouldn't matter. Its sentient. What "innocent child" is harmed in abortion? A fetus is not a child. Medically or scientifically. You completely misunderstood my point. I was not comparing abortions to the military, or animals, or capital punishment. I was refuting a hypocrite who claimed "life" in a general sense was precious, but support things that ended life.
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@bobbiedunlap4745 No, they shouldn't. Because they are sentient and have rights. If given the option to never experience anything, or experience a life full of hardship, I would say the former is better. That was what I was saying.
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@bobbiedunlap4745 No one is killing a child. You are stopping the development of what is essentially a parasite that will develop into a child if left alone. And if you're really against abortion, isn't it hypocritical to be for it in any circumstance?
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@bobbiedunlap4745 I don't believe life is inherently valuable. Yes, my opinion is simply my opinion. But i have the right to bodily autonomy. I decide what happens in my body.
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@bobbiedunlap4745 I never argued that they aren't human life. They are. Except that isn't what matters to me. Life is not what I find relevant. Where did I ever say its not life? I didn't.
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Believing something doesn't make it fact. Facts don't care about your feelings. We are NOT the top of the food chain.
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Baby literally means post utero. Its not a baby until after birth. Fetus. Its a fetus until birth.
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Logical fallacy. Someone being intelligent and believing in God doesn't make God real.
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If you're referring to the methane they produce, humans produce it as well.
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Because it is if she's autistic. Autism is GENETIC! But depending on the severity, can start showing symptoms at a multitude of ages. The fact remains that many children who are autistic (especially more severe autism) show around the time they're getting vaccines. Your child would have ended up this way without the vaccine.
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@MrJonny0 You do not need a bill of sale. Only a valid state ID
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@MrJonny0 Then you are in one of the states that puts restrictions on private sales. That is a minority
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@MrJonny0 What state do you live in then? Because there is no bill of sale required by federal law for a private sale. It doesn't matter one way or the other. If you perform a legal transaction of that firearm, and that person shoots up a school with it, you cannot be held criminally responsible in a court of law.
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@MrJonny0 Unless by "comming up hot" you are referring to a stolen firearm, no it doesn't. That firearm was a legal sale, bill of sale or not. You cannot be connected with the crime when you legally sold the gun. No, you don't need one. Unless your state specifically mandates it.
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Stinky Monkey I've bought 3 firearms. Have you ever purchased a gun?
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Stinky Monkey Alright, so why did your first comment assume I had never purchased a firearm?
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@masterbaiter1237 I don't care what you eat, but if food is food, what's wrong with cannibalism? Humans are also just meaty animals.
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@masterbaiter1237 So you wouldn't be opposed by someone eating companion animals like a dog or a cat?
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The father has options he can take if he doesn't want to raise it. Petition the court to have your paternal rights terminated.
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Okay, but thats not the issue. There is no law that states you must be a licensed dealer to sell at a show. You're right. There is no loophole. Its just a private sale, which does not require a background check in most states.
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@charlieduncan3367 No it doesn't. Only if you're buying from a dealer does it require a background check, as you stated. But many private sellers also sell at shows, and you do not need a background check to buy guns from a private seller in most of the country.
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@travisjohnson7065 Nah, they just buy into the garbage spewed by the pro-life culture.
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Why? Abortion is taking responsibility, just like adoption and motherhood.
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@shakiradaley6936 So? How is that not taking responsibility? Its realizing you cannot adequately care for that child. Irresponsibility would be having it anyway and not taking proper care of it.
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Affordable birth control actually is hard to get, especially since for women, most forms of birth control are now prescription only. Condoms break and fail. Your right. They shouldn't be having sex. But they do. Because its natural.
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No, there's not.
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That's an extreme liability and bases everything on that she has a family willing to take the child.
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I think your kinda gross if you don't actively donate blood and organs.
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@cleancountershot3941 I highly doubt you regularly sign up for medical testing, go in requesting to donate organs, and donate blood on a regular basis. Yeah, so many forms. Yet they are unavailable and fail. You do realize that nearly half of abortions are done by people who were using some form of contraception right? How is having an abortion not "assuming the consequences?" It is. Its acknowledging what happened and takes steps to do what's best. I think its gross for someone to be a judgemental hypocrite, not to mention perpuate child abuse.
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@justapotato2434 So are you a vegan? That also takes millions of lives. But I bet they don't matter because they aren't human right?
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@justapotato2434 Since when is life where we place value on? Also, so what if its human?
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@ellensugden5609 America doesn't have an issue.
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2 words. Secular Humanism.
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How is it inhumane if the fetus is incapable of feeling anything? The issues isn't about life. Its about sentientence. Also, why only human life? You dont care about the inhumane ways animals are slaughtered to make food, or how many pests you kill. Killing and murder are not always interchangeable. Quit using them like they are. You people are hypocrites who only care about the life, and not the quality of life.
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Well, they may be right on some level. Consuming meat raises your risk of heart disease, which is the number one cause of death. That being said, I doubt that is the only factor.
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While I agree with you mostly, agnostic is not a stand alone claim. Everyone is, or should be, agnostic.
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@RellekEarth That's why I said everyone should be agnostic. Though not everyone is. It's sad really.
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You can't love someone else until you learn to love yourself and ultimately, you come first in your own life. Thats not selfish. That's reality.
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Because they don't. You aren't valuable just because you're born.
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It's not ignorant to be against a bronze age system that provides nothing beneficial to society.
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You tend to be like that when an ignorant asshole is being rude and disrespectful towards you.
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Yes we are. Facts don't care about your feelings. Animal: a living organism that feeds on organic matter, typically having specialized sense organs and nervous system and able to respond rapidly to stimuli. Sorry sweetie. That includes humans. You're a primate.
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She's also an atheist.
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No, we just dont believe in the supernatural without evidence they exist. Most atheists I know, myself included, were once religious.
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@SpJrD I dont believe in a deity. Therefore I'm an atheist. If I dont believe in the Christian God, why would i believe in any other deity?
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@He loves you! Except no one murders a baby when an abortion takes place. The act of abortion is neither murder nor is a baby involved.
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Except thats entirely untrue. You know what most of the agricultural we grow is used for? Animal food.
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Yes I am. However, I don't personally care what you are. Do what makes you happy and what is personally healthy for you.
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The vast majority of women do not hate themselves for having an abortion. They did what they felt was best.
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And yet they are finding out that they originate in unvaccinated children and actually no. Most cases are those that are immune compromised.
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So why does that fetus have to pay just because the woman was raped or slept with her family? You realize how hypocritical that sounds?
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@pewdiepieskeet457 That still makes you a hypocrite.
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Abortions are never convenient, and if its thought about, all abortions are done out of necessity. If a person really believes that they cannot handle the pregnancy or care for the child, its a necessity.
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Fallacy spotted.
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@acemxe8472 Do you know what a fallacy is?
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@acemxe8472 So what fallacy did I commit?
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While its not a loophole, you absolutely can walk into a gunshow and buy a gun without a background check. Just go to a vendor's stall and buy one privately.
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@thatswhatshesaid5155 Yes. All my guns have been purchased privately at shows. They're cheaper. I did, however, have a background check for my CCL.
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I'm not an ethical vegan, but the ones I know either simply let them live, or catch and release them.
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She actually is correct, but only when it comes to private vendors. I've personally never had a background check on any of my guns.
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Abortion isn't murder. There's no reason to try and change your mind because a) your biased and b) you're objectively wrong. At least here in the states.
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@cactustree6009 I never said you weren't worthy of debating. You certainly are. But you are biased, as you already have a presumption. I can argue that abortion isn't murder since thats a legal term, and I can argue why abortion is a necessary evil right now. What I can't do is convince you of something you've already formed a solid position on.
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We know plants don't feel. They have no nervous system.
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Its funny how different it can be. I've never had a background check at a show. Amazing that something that is just the way the law is written is spun as a some loophole.
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@nicholasbogosian5420 You should really actually do more research into these people. If they were pro-consent, I would be more observant to what they have to say. But if you actually research these people (which is extremely easy), you'll find they are anti-vaccine and make statements that are outright disproven. In fact, Mr. Sears lost his medical license over his vaccine stance. Facts are facts, whether we like them or not.
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Daniela Sánchez There is no evidence of a God, let alone which God is correct.
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Daniela Sánchez You need to support what you are claiming. The case for Christ offers nothing but speculation and fiction. I do not claim a God does not exist. You claim it does. You have the burden of proof.
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Not necessarily.
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@ozijay3000 Tell me what he's right about.
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@ozijay3000 Well, he doesn't know the difference between belief and fact, nor does he know what an atheist is.
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@ozijay3000 I just did. "That's not a belief, its a fact" "You're not an atheist, you're an agnostic" Can you read?
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@ozijay3000 No, you just can't admit he's wrong. Never once did I take him out of context. He stated his beliefs as facts and doesn't know what an atheist is. If you disagree with those statements, then you're just as dishonest as he is.
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@ozijay3000 I don't believe his beliefs are facts, and to state them as such is dishonest. I did quote him. Twice. When he told the atheist woman she wasn't an atheist. That proves to me he doesn't know what an atheist is. Anyone can write and publish a book.
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@ozijay3000 No, no I don't.
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@ozijay3000 Yes, that would make me an atheist.
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@ozijay3000 No, she was an atheist. She also does not believe in God. To call her just an agnostic is incorrect, as such a thing does not exist. Everyone is agnostic.
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@ozijay3000 An atheist is anyone who does not believe in a God or Gods. If you do not believe in a God, you are an atheist.
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@ozijay3000 No, you're confused and biased.
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@pebbles987 1st off, there are plenty of individual studies on the ingredients used in vaccines. Secondly, no where in the country is the flu vaccine forced. You do not have to take the flu vaccine if you do not want to. There has never been any correlation between pregnancy complications and the flu vaccine. That is utter nonsense. Thirdly, they don't. I never signed a waiver when my children were vaccinated. That seems more to me like a case by case basis. If you are affected negatively by a vaccine, which can and does happen, we have a court specifically for that.
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Actually, Prager U did a horrible video on the topic that was full of fallacies. Feel free to argue against me as I can debunk any practical pro-capital punishment argument. It doesn't cheapen murder. The country with the lowest crime rate has no death penalty. The states that have no death penalty have lower crime rates.
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And things and situations change. No such thing as the best diet for everyone. I have better health as a vegan. You may not.
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@michaelcohen2760 I've been vegan for over a decade. Never been better. It cleared up nearly all of my health problems too.
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@michaelcohen2760 Mmm...nope. You're a cook. Not a doctor. I am strictly vegan (meaning I consume no animal products nor wear animal products) and have none of the issues I had when I consumed meat. I see a doctor every month, and everything is great. Its not anti-life and I know many people who chose vegan or vegetarian diets later in life. But again, it doesn't work for everyone.
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@dylxn9233 Most of which were done in severely gun restricted areas. I wonder why that is. Also, most of which were done with handguns, not automatic weapons. In areas that are lax on gun laws, very rarely are there shootings. I wonder why...
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@dylxn9233 Thats true. The fact is though, people have guns. And the only people you punish with gun laws are law-abiding citizens. There would still be violence without guns. The UK outlawed guns but has a massive stabbing issue. The difference is I know I'm safe because I have a gun to protect myself and my loved ones need be. Your world without guns would be nice, but is unrealistic
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No he wasn't. And he often contradicted himself.
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He didn't listen though.
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Contraception is not a right. Its a privilege. A privilege that many have no access to.
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I like to think I have morals as a vegan.
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The Roblox Phantom If God damns me to hell simply for not believing in him, he's a fucking evil monster. Satan, where he is mentioned in the Bible, isn't the one committing mass genocide.
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The Roblox Phantom You can't prove to me God exists. If he was a God of love, Hell would not exist. No finite crime is worthy of eternal punishment.
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The Roblox Phantom If God indeed created Hell, then he is not loving. Also, Lucifer and Satan are NOT the same person. Satan is the devil. Lucifer is a fallen angel. These aren't facts. These are you beliefs. What if you're worshipping the wrong God? Then you are damned with me. No, I will never believe in God unless he offers me proof of his existence. You don't know he is real. You believe he is real. If God is omnipotent (knows everything) then he's even worse because he creates people, knowing they will reject him, and then damns them for it. If a place of eternal punishment truly exists, then God is tyrannical monster. Out of curiosity, what would you do if you found out there was no God after death?
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The Roblox Phantom You ask me not to ask you for proof, yet you say there is a ton of it. God can't give me proof because he may not even exist. I was a Christian the majority of my life, until I actually sat down and read the bible. If God punishes ETERNALLY then he is not forgiving. Also, no. You need to really dig into religious history and theology because the devil and lucifer are not the same being.
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The Roblox Phantom Prove to me he exists. Then I'll believe he loves me.
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Because veganism doesn't work for everyone. Situations change.
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Murder by definition is already illegal. So if it isn't illegal, it isn't murder
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We wouldn't have flat teeth if we were not meant to digest plant based protein. Meat protein is just easier for the body to get access to. You can still live a healthy and normal life in a vegan diet. But I understand that diet is not for everyone.
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@uncookedeshay4582 So I'm a fuck wit because I happen to have a different diet than you? Way to show your maturity. I don't care what you eat. Veganism is healthier for me, so I choose to eat vegan.
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Polyamory is not an open relationship in all cases.
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@MsNikki527 She may be in an open relationship, but not all poly's are open, if that makes sense.
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They may have that right, but that option is not always available. And I love how people actually think that adoption isn't considered as an option is a majority of cases.
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Vegans aren't. Extremists are.
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Its really not...
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@IssyFishyy One, because its not unlawful. And two, because legally, a fetus is not considered a human being (something even I don't agree with).
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@mementomori1749 Its not, and you stating that shows me you know nothing about the law. The murder of a pregnant woman must meet very specific criteria for a double homicide charge. You know what the ACTUAL charge is? Unlawful termination of a pregnancy.
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@IssyFishyy And you would be correct. Unlawful means against the law. Murder is a legal term. Outside of a society with laws, murder has no meaning. Killing? Sure. That's the term you should be using. I know. I agree with you. I understand its a human from conception (assuming we're talking about a human fetus). I just don't care. It doesn't matter that its human. I don't think any life, human or otherwise, has inherent value.
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@IssyFishyy Murder and homicide are two words for the same thing. Murder is just the common word for homicide. So no. They're exactly the same thing. Outside of a law, murder has no meaning. Because murder, by definition, is unlawful. And I personally think a relativist is the best position to be in. Because as I said in another comment if you aren't a relativist, you're a hypocrite. But just for the record, I absolutely believe abortion should be a last resort. And I hope one day we no longer have a need for it. I just always believe the choice should be there.
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You say that as if you can't love or be in love with multiple people...
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@PhO3NiX96 Not true. In fact, verifiably not true. Its amazing we still live in a world where people don't understand that brains of those who are different orientations work differently. I would recommend researching brain scans of those that are polyamorous and reading some of the studies. Polyamory is possible. I happen to be polyamorous. I also don't have a primary partner. I live with both of my partners and am romantically attached to both.
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Yes. Just pay more taxes to execute them. Makes sense.
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Uhhh... they clearly said they didn't believe in God. That makes them atheists.
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We are animals. I'm sorry dear, but facts don't care about your feelings. Whether or not you feel something is unnatural doesn't make it so. I am not spread thin in my poly relationship. You are absolutely right about the divorce rate. But part of that is also being in a relationship that society accepts but that you are unhappy in. You are in a toxic situation if your story is true. Do not settle. By the way, you're not in a polyamorous relationship. You're with a player who wants his cake and eats it too. And you deserve better.
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Here. In the comments.
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Gaspect :D Not everyone even has access to condoms or birth control. And some can't take it. Forcing an unfit parent to "take responsibility" by having a child is extremely selfish. If you wanted to outlaw abortion, you'd have to outlaw all abortions, including for rape, life of the mother, and problems with the fetus. When you have children coming to you everyday talking about how they wish they had been aborted, you'd perhaps have another perspective.
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I like to think I'm a pretty intelligent vegan.
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Psychopaths amd sociopaths are not words recognized anymore. These people fall on a spectrum, and some of them (in fact, many of them) are non-violent. You're so misinformed and uneducated on this subject, its cringy.
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@sahab6298 Oh I know. I just never understand where "the pregnancy is inconvenient so lets just abort it because its easy" argument.
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Andrea Lazo Someone who does not believe in a God.
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Umm no. It is forcing people to live by your beliefs. Anyone with any sense knows the fetus is a human being. Its not the same principle. Abortion is not murder. Thats not an opinion. To conflate it as such starts on a false pretense. The problem is pro-life views this as a moral issue. Pro-choice views it as a legal issue.
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butterfly rw Congraulations. You're not one of the fundamentalist Christians he was referring to.
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@thelastkushbendr7091 Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. 2% is still thousands of people.
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Not always. Depends on who's selling and what state.
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@danielcorbett6511 And that I agree with. But not all gun sales are from a dealer. Private sales are left up to the states, and most don't require a background check.
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@danielcorbett6511 Again, I'm well aware most guns are purchased from dealers. My point is your original comment implies that all guns have background checks. And that isn't true
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@danielcorbett6511 Its not a myth so much as its poorly named. Its not a loophole and it happens at more than just gunshows.
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@danielcorbett6511 Thats because people don't understand what it refers to, which is the private sales of guns at shows. Thats not a myth. Happens all the time. However, its not a loophole.
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@dccomicsnew5263 Abortion not being murder is a fact. At least here in the states. We have established definitions for words.
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Thats not how food chains work. Did you pass year 7 science? Because you seem to believe you're at the top.
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@emilysheil4168 Because we're not. Its that simple. We don't meet the scientific criteria to be at the top of the food chain.
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@emilysheil4168 Food chains are based on trophic levels on a scale of 1 to 5. Humans are around a 2.2. To be truly at the "top of the food chain," in scientific terms, you have to strictly consume the meat of animals that are predators.
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Thats just evidence that you know absoultely nothing about open relationships.
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Libby Contrael Because a fetus is not a child. A fetus is a parasitic group of cells until it is able to biologically function on its own. Life isn't fair. It's not murder. Murder is by definition unlawful. Fetuses at the time of most abortions have not developed a nervous system, therefore cannot feel pain.
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Aquarius Yurp So is stepping on an ant or spider, or eating a cheeseburger.
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It is illegal to have a machine gun and shotguns are mainly used for hunting.
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I'm sorry but I don't believe you. If you didn't have a place to live nor any income, there would have been no way to support yourself or your child. So someone has helped you, whether it be you got a job, help from the government, or family and friends.
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@ILovePink-x1v And as someone who was part of a suicide pact and was the only one unlucky enough to survive, I would say that is why I don't use this as an argument. I can only tell you the people I have come across.
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Kaleela Edwards But thats not what food chains are based on. Its technology that saves us, not strength.
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Do you not realize that ASPD makes up a slim minority of the prison population?
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No he's not. She clearly doesn't believe in God. She is an atheist. She is also agnostic. Those are not mutually exclusive terms.
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@fronominal5047 No it literally isn't. She said "declaration that there is no God" implying she is not denying that a God COULD exist. But she makes it very obvious she doesn't believe in one. You people commonly confuse knowledge with belief.
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@fronominal5047 The only one condescending here is you. There is no evidence for God. Point blank. If evidence was ever presented, those who are agnostic atheists would believe in that particular deity. No. If you don't believe in God, you are an atheist. An atheist is "lack of a belief in a God or Gods." Agnosticism is an adjective, not a noun. It literally means the existence of God is unknown. She is both. So the old man is wrong. She does not know whether or not a God exists (agnostic) but she does not believe in one (atheist). I love how people always stop a conversation when they are clearly proven wrong. By the way, a dead carpenter that may have never existed cannot love me.
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@jacobbracamonte8177 As of right now, no. We can only try to minimize it for now.
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That is not a fact. That is a subjective opinion.
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@malct6545 So...why did you say it was fact?
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@malct6545 Nothing at all. I was just curious as to why you thought your opinion was fact.
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@Ankh That doesn't help the problem of having to pay of the pre-natal care and dealing with the physical and mental effects that comes with 9 months of pregnancy, plus the potential of NOT being able to adopt the child out.
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@Ankh I'm so glad you've lived such a privileged life that you've never had to experince the horrible side of unfit parents. I'm not being sarcastic by the way. I'm truly happy you've never had to experince that. It's just given you a very foggy perspective about what cruelty is. You know what being cruel is? Being an unfit parent unable to care for your daughter and throwing her down stairs at the age of 9, leaving her with epileptic episodes and a broken spine for the rest of her life.
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@Ankh And you know something? That little girl would rather have been aborted then to now suffer crippling health problems because her parent couldn't care for her. If you really think death is the cruelest thing you can do to a person, you haven't lived in reality. And I don't mean that as an insult. You really haven't. Why is being selfish a bad thing? You do understand that if you cannot care for yourself, you cannot care for others right? And its because sometimes you can't put it up for adoption, nor do you have the capacity to raise it. You seem to just assume that because people get pregnant, they have the capacity to raise the child. That isn't reality
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@رحال-ص9ر I don't believe in jewish atheism. Not in the religious context. If you are religiously Jewish, you cannot be an atheist. That being said, I don't care what she has to say. I am not ethically or culturally jewish, nor am I spiritual. I am perfectly content being an agnostic atheist
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Probably because there is no scientific stances on abortion that are pro-life. Science does not support pro-life or pro-choice, because it is a neutral standing. You can argue scientific facts that support YOUR SPECIFIC decision to be either pro-life or pro-choice.
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Oh please. Stop making abortion that simple. Its not. Its not even a moral issue.
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@trudypenner1986 Well first off, abortion isn't murder. That's a fact, not an opinion. At least here in the States. secondly, regardless of where you stand, everyone knows abortion is bad. Everyone wishes abortion didn't happen. Some evils are lesser than others. Abortion is a legal and rights issue. Not a moral one. I can grant you abortion is immoral and still make a case that setting a child up for failure is more immoral.
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@trudypenner1986 I never said it wasn't a life. By the way, double homicide is dependent on how far along the mother is
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Lizzie Allen Depends on the state. There is no federal law mandating abortion, but you can be charged at a state level with unlawful termination of pregnancy. By the way, you and I can both agree there should be a cut off barring medical issues.
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Your grammer needs work. Perhaps don't call names when you type like a 4-year-old.
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You can opt-out of child support. Give up your parental rights. However, that argument is a strawman.
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No. Most people think abortion is wrong. However, most people also think bringing a child into the world when you are unfit is also wrong, and that abortion is the lesser of two evils.
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@mathildeyoung1823 No actually. Most people are not pro-life. They claim to be when they're anti-abortion or anti-abortion with circumstances
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@mathildeyoung1823 If you support abortion in any circumstances, you are not pro-life by definition. Identifying as something doesn't make you that when you don't adhere to its definition. Being against abortion doesn't make you pro-life. It makes you anti-abortion.
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@mathildeyoung1823 No its not because the definition of pro-choice is having the choice of what to do with your life, whether it be euthanasia or abortion. Stop trying to change the meaning of words to fit your narrative. Pro-choice doesn't mean pro-abortion.
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You are pro-choice.
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Lizzie Allen No of course they do. But they tend to fear lifers more than death row inmates. The death penalty doesn't protect them. They will always have inmates to deal with. So I don't know why you would assume CO's are in favor of capital punishment.
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@Lorrenz And thats the kind of thinking that get innocent people killed. Things aren't simple in the justice system, and they can't be. The difference between us is I've actually worked in the system.
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@Lorrenz And I don't live in a country like that. So I can't understand where that fear comes from. Especially since countries that have the happiest citizens and the lowest crime rates have no death penalty.
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@Lorrenz Yes it does. Laws that provide no benefit to a society should be abolished
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Lizzie Allen And any locked up violent offenders by an institution who is competent and runs well doesn't have anything to worry about either. Its not benefical to society to execute inmates. It doesn't lower violent crime rates and its more expensive. Charles Manson is a poor example. He never killed anyone. And had you put him to death, you would have spent more in tax money. Because it costs anywhere from $70,000 to $3,000,000 more to execute someone. I thought this was common knowledge. We insist on being fair because its their Constitutional right, and nothing justifies putting to death an innocent, sentient person without their consent. Period.
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@Lorrenz Its really because of the appeals process.
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Yes you do, because a criminal doesnt care how the gun is obtained. Gun laws only affect law abiding individuals. Does nothing to criminals.
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@italianguy9138 You are safe at school. Despite these shootings the media protests, gun violence is at a 35 year low. I dont know how old you are, but a person has to 18 to purchase a rifle and 21 to purchase a handgun. That's not a kid. Comparing our country to someone else is nonsense. Not only is that unconstitutional, our cultures are different. In fact, school shootings would probably happen a lot less if students were allowed to carry guns on them.
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@italianguy9138 I understand that. And those guns were legally his. That's not a kid, that's an adult. Focusing on mental health was the issue there.
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@italianguy9138 No, because people lie. What I think would help would be allowing students who own guns to carry them. Those shootings would not have happened in that case.
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@italianguy9138 Because that would allow good students to defend themselves and others. A school shooter wants to take out as many people as possible. He or she is not going to target armed students. Guns are not the issue. The person who wields it is.
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Rudy Ramos-Lozano Nobody who isn't religious, or at least spiritually inclined, believe in a soul. That has not been proven. I refuse to believe in something without evidence. Air and gravity are observable and testable things. No, souls and incarnation is a belief. It is not a fact. You are not capable of feeling anything until you develop a brainstem.
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You should, even if its on a superficial level. You don't need to pity them, but having empathy for people, even those who do not feel it for others, is normal.
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It can be. Just depends on the person.
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America is not the only country with anti vaxxers.
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Millie J Hitler being a devout Christian funny enough. All she was saying is life does not have intrinsic value. You aren't born valuable.
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@raulnsherah No, she wasn't really any better. And yes. Colloquially, an atheist is simply someone who lacks a belief in God.
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KING JOE Except she was also an atheist, which he refused to acknowledge she was and continued to interrupt her when she tried to state her beliefs. Agnostic and atheist are not mutually exclusive. Most atheists, and theists in fact, are agnostic.
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KING JOE Agnostic is not a stand alone claim. You are never just an agnostic. Agnostic is a knowledge claim that means unknown. When it comes to a God, you are one of four categories. Gnostic Theist (Deist): Claims to know God is real as fact. Agnostic Theist: Doesn't know for certain if there is a God, but believes in one Gnostic Atheist (Anti-theist): Claims to know as fact that God is not real. Agnostic Atheist: Doesn't know for certain if there is a God, but doesn't believe in one.
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KING JOE I would advise you look up the definition of an atheist. Gnosticism/Agnosticism are claims of knowledge. Theism/Atheism are claims of belief. Atheists do not affirm the nonexistence of a God. Atheists simply do not believe a God exists. https://www.thoughtco.com/atheist-vs-agnostic-whats-the-difference-248040
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KING JOE Yes it has been. It's a lack of a belief in a God, not a belief that there is no God.
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@andyscott15 He wasn't saying the truth. He waa spouting his beliefs as truth, and truth requires evidence.
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@andyscott15 That doesn't make it truth. Your God has never been proven to exist.
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@Paigey15trini Ahh I understand. Yeah, thats what I thought too. Until I started working in the profession.
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A non sentient fetus cannot give consent. Not every woman regrets having an abortion. They regret that they had to make that choice, even if it was the best decision.
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@arooba6983 Because it has no brainstem. Is it living? Yes. Is it sentient? Not until a certain point. You only have feelings if you have a brain and brainstem to comprehend feelings.
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No. We as doctors do not get paid to give people vaccines. I have no idea where that notion comes from. The hospital pays the pharmaceutical companies to get vaccines and then we give them to people, often for little to no cost. Most vaccines are free. Even ones taken as an infant. At least in many places.
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@maddalenahylton They can make money, but they do not make a profit. Especially since most of them are free. And neither vaccines nor epidurals are ever legally mandated.
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@maddalenahylton Good. It should be. You are actively harming your child as well as others if you do not vaccinate, barring medical exemption. If you don't wish to vaccinate, homeschool your children.
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Then you aren't vegan.
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@emilranfors4540 Then your still not a vegan. You're a meat eater who eats a mostly plant based diet. Nothing wrong with that
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@emilranfors4540 Because part pf being vegan is consistency. If you're eating meat once in a while, you aren't fitting the definition. You'd be plant-based. I also now think you're just a troll I fell for.
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Thats because you aren't polyamorous. Monogomy, to me, sounds controlling and toxic. Its a matter of perspective.
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@andrewjohnson9014 Yes I have. I'm in one now. It sounds that way to me because I am not monogamous
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@sakithekeeper5331 Oh, so you're just an intolerant bigot. Excuse me for giving you the benefit of the doubt. Did you ever maybe think that we don't commit to one person because one person doesn't complete us? That maybe we're happier with multiple people? Who are you to say I don't cherish my partners? Sounds like you are the immature one. You realize that the consent of everyone is needed in a closed relationship right? Or do you just assume that all polyamorous relationships are open? You know mongomous people also carry STD's right?
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@sakithekeeper5331 Makes perfect sense to me. What's your issue?
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That doesn't make it better. You no longer have a need to eat meat.
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@BingBangBrine I don't personally care what people eat. I'm a vegan for health reasons.
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If that's the case, could someone not make the argument for humans eating other humans? Or eating companion animals?
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@orangeorangeorange5075 You could make that argument, but that depends on how you define life. If you're arguing from a scientific, biological perspective? Yes. I agree. This is a moral argument though. And thats not so cut and dry.
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@arbretree5463 When it is sentient.
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@oliviam6332 As a rape victim, yes I would. Whether or not rehabilitation would work is another story.
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The two go hand in hand often.
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God condones abortion. A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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Mmm no. You helped make the child. If you don't want to be with the mother, you have the financial responsibility to take care of the problem you helped cause. Abortion is not disposing responsibility. Its taking a just as much as motherhood or adoption. One has nothing to do with the other.
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Not necessarily.
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Australia Smith You're comment isn't old. I was just asking to see if you were a hypocrite or not. But I guess everyone is at some point.
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Australia Smith I wasn't offended. You seem very defensive. The purpose of a debate is to change those who haven't formed an opinion sway to one side. I have no problem with your opinion, I just was curious if you were hypocritical or not. But then again I suppose everyone is hypocritical of something. Never did I bash you.
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Australia Smith It wasn't leading to anything. I was simply curious about your stances on other things that fall under "pro-life". I don't really care whether you're pro life or pro choice.
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Australia Smith I responded because that's what I like to do. I like to get differing opinions on subjects. I'm not defensive. Everyone is hypocritical on something. There's not necessarily anything wrong with that. No where did I bash you. I'm sorry that you're sensitive and reading too much into something.
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Australia Smith Why did it lead to an issue? What's wrong with responding to You? I wanted specifically your opinion. That is why I respond to specific people. Generally, people who are pro-life say you have to be a vegan and oppose the death penalty in order to qualify for that title. That's why I posed the question. It was never meant as an attack on you, and I apologize if you took it as one. Again, where did I bash you? Nothing i said was to make you feel like you were wrong. An opinion can't be wrong because everyone's sense of morality is different. I was curious if you were hypocritical about being "pro-life". How is that negative? So what if you are? In the end, that was your opinion.
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Because it would be a much harder, longer and expensive process that would overall improve nothing. It is not fair to punish the innocent because of the guilty
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Please explain how. What benefit does the death penalty offer? How does it help society that cannot be achieved by putting someone in prison for life?
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@ElGuije So based on emotion? No. I would pay way more in taxes to put them to death.
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@ElGuije There's a reason for the lengthy appeals process. How about just outlaw it in general? It's not a deterrent. It doesn't lower violent crime rate
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@ElGuije Because I don't believe most killers are evil and I am a human being capable of empathy.
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@Not a single Bear Intentional doesn't always mean first degree. In fact, most murders are 2nd degree "crime of passion" murders. I am almost 25, and work in the criminal justice field.
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@Not a single Bear So I'm a kid because I happen to like cartoons? You don't have to take me seriously. And actually, if you did research and studied criminology, most murders are 2nd degree murders. Not 1st degree. Especially in the US.
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@Not a single Bear Nothing wrong with that.
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@cesarsavan2494 I am well aware that anytime you choose to have sex, you are making a big choice. However, consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy. Any excuse you feel is justified is fine. The woman is the one making the decision, and publicly shaming people for decisions they thought were right doesn't help your cause. Having sex before marriage is a good thing, in my opinion. Sex is a very important part of a relationship for some, and you need to know if your sexually compatible before making the commitment of marriage. The human body naturally wants sex, but its more than used for baby making. A lot of what you said is simply personal opinion.
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@cesarsavan2494 Actually, it does. The definition of pro-life is being against abortion and euthanasia. People like to take that definition and twist it to suit them. You only assume that.
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@cesarsavan2494 No, its not. And you can try to justify that all you want
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No, because that isn't true in all cases. What should be said is that while private sales at gun shows do not need background checks in most states, that is not a loophole. Nor is that the way most guns are purchased.
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Why does abortion always get brought up? It has nothing to do with veganism, even morally. Fetuses are not sentient at the time of most abortions. Just like plants aren't sentient.
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@travisjohnson7065 When you buy meat, you are advocating for a butcher to continue making a living slaughtering sentient animals. Yet no one would call that animal abuse. There is no crime committed. Abortion is not illegal. You also act as if "abortionists" (which isn't even a career. Its an inflammatory word used towards hospital staff that carry out abortions) abort for a living. We don't dictate morality based on your subjective opinion. Don't like abortions? Don't have one. Want to lower abortion rates? Fight for the actual issues surrounding abortion. But I bet you don't want to spend more tax dollars on that.
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Most do. But not all
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@robertnowak5444 I'm a vegan with logic.
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You don't have to apply for any permit to own a gun in most states. You only need to apply for a CCL if you want to carry.
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No, she meerly stated life does not have inherent value, which is true. You aren't valuable just because you exist. Value is a description we give to ourselves and others give to us based on our actions
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@Tsk-r4l No, I did watch. I just disagree
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That isn't how food chains work. We are not the top. Thats just a scientific fact
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Pro-choice women: Its MY uterus in question here. No one else gets final say. Science has no opinion on moral issues. Its neutral.
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Agnostic isn't a thing. Its an adjective, not a noun. An agnostic is someone without knowledge. That doesn't say anything. Yes. She is agnostic. She's also an atheist. You can be both.
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@EpicDoggiez If I asked you if you believed in God and your answer is anything other than yes, you are an atheist by definition.
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Unintelligent Individual That is what is so wonderful about something called "subjective morality"
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Unintelligent Individual No point. Just saying it's nice that we all have different viewpoints on a topic.
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Unintelligent Individual I've talked to you before, though I went by a different name. I'm pro-choice, because I have seen first hand the consquences of forcing and unfit mother to give birth. However, I think you should try and take all precautions before hand and explore all avenues before choosing to have an abortion. I would one day like to see an end to abortion.
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Nah. Not always.
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It is a cluster of cells. All organic life is. Who cares if its human? We have slow codes and DNR's. Where's your outrage for that?
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You pay 3 times more to execute them. I thought capital punishment being more expensive was common knowledge.
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@The English Gentleman All methods of execution are more expensive, because it's not just the execution you're paying for. You pay for the entire process, including unlimited appeals.
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So are a lot of Christians. That's a human being trait in general.
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@iamthatiamiamthatiam2942 Fuck your God then. If he damns someone just because they don't believe in him after providing 0 evidence of his existence, then he's a monster.
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Why do you people differentiate so much between gun violence and any other type of violence? You are less vulnerable with a gun than you are without (assuming you know how to use it)
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The fetus is not sentient. It cannot be a victim because it feels nothing.
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Lizzie Allen You would think by now, you'd at least understand the definition of murder.
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I've been in prison. No one deserves the death penalty.
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Kyle Teeter Everyone sense of good an evil are different. That's not proof of a God, let alone which God is right. Everything really is about survival. We're biologically wired to want to protect ourselves. By the way, are you talking about the God that COMMANDS genocide, infanticide, slavery and war? That sounds like a wonderful sense of morality. Stealing for survival isn't evil. Stealing for pleasure is a crime because it victimizes someone else, and out naturally ability to feel compassion and empathy is why we deem it evil
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nurdin ahmed I can believe in myself without believing in a God. I advise you go back a read the Bible about all the times God commanded his people to slaughter others
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nurdin ahmed The Qur'an also commands you to kill non believers, as do the Haidths.
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Yes you can. Especially considering the Bible condones abortion
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If there's an afterlife, as an atheist, I'll still know it. And I'm perfectly okay with that.
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Because it's not bull crap. There is no federal law that mandates private sellers to require background checks. Though many do, it's not required.
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@claytonvaughn5953 They can be. Unless you're buying them from a FFL licensed dealer, it's a private sale. Only 15 states regulate private sales and gun shows.
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@claytonvaughn5953 Only FFL licenced gun stores or sellers require a background check. Only 15 states have restrictions on private sellers. If you are buying a gun from a private seller, there is no background check is most states.
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IssyFishyy I don't lose, becaude eternal damntion (if real) would make Yaweh and evil God. I would never want to spend eternity with a monster.
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Meat can also be extremely unhealthy.
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@Humanity Galatica Yeah, how well does that work? You don't want to pay higher taxes, remember?
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No one honestly believes that. The point is that a sincere apology at least shows that the convicted understood what they did was wrong. It should not reduce their sentence.
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@landonthrone7361 The "gun show loophole" is literally just a red herring name for private sales at shows, which require nothing but a valid state ID. It took me all of 20 minutes to buy my first gun.
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@landonthrone7361 ...Its not illegal to privately sell a firearm. I seriously think you should brush up on your gun laws.
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@landonthrone7361 First off, I doubt very much that came up. Secondly, if it did, its beause it might in your state. Its only illegal to sell a firearm without a background check if you are a dealer. Private sellers are not dealers, and do not require documentation in most states.
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@landonthrone7361 Thats not necessarily true. There are two types of sales. Private and dealer. Private sales require nothing but a valid state ID to sell.
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So...a state ID? Thats all a gun requires in most states.
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I believe the death penalty is an archaic useless system that provides no benefit to society.
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You can't become aware of God's existence because God has never been proven to exist. Quit using your beliefs as facts. When you come off like that, people call you what you are. A self-righteous asshole
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Because the argument is about being vegan, which ice cream is not.
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@jakecamp13 Eh. I'm vegan and I'm okay without ice cream. Although apparently vegan ice cream exists.
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@thehoboeskimo9888 ...Which is exactly what I said. Why humans have conciousness is explained entirely by the theory of evolution.
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You can be smart and be a vegan though.
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People who want to see children be neglected and abused are monsters.
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No where in that case did the supreme court say they were "unavoidably unsafe." They acknowledged that they may have harmful side effects to some people. Vaccines do NOT contain mercury and haven't since 1996. Some vaccines contain an ethylmercury compound called thimerosal, which is harmless. Formaldehyde is naturally produced during metabolism and is in certain fruits such as pears. You would introduce more aluminum to your body drinking from a can or eating from a canned food. Polysorbate 80 is found in ice cream, barbecue sauce and most pickled products again, in much higher quantities. These ingredients are actually nothing to be concerned about when you can bother to research them.
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@themindofjohn4346 Those fetal cells were taken in the 1960's.
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@themindofjohn4346 Its a federal crime to sell aborted fetuses as "research". You keep believing your conspiracy theories. We either give the remains to the parents or dispose them as medical waste.
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Why does it bother you for me to be married to someone? I can't legally marry more than one person anyway.
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@mrstilton2654 Then you are pro-choice. Pro-life by definition is against abortion in all circumstances
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@mrstilton2654 Because that is the established definition of pro-life. A person who is against abortion and euthanasia. You don't get to change the definition of a word because you don't like it. Besides, you should be happy. Being pro-life is a minority for a reason.
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@Humanity Galatica No, you really don't. You're contry is not going to die off anytime, nor is the species in any danger.
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@mrstilton2654 You haven't given me the correct definiton, and I literally proved it to you. If you don't like that, argue with a linguist. You are, by definition, pro-choice. Even if you were entirely against abortion, but you were for euthanasia? You'd still be pro-choice. Pro-life is against euthanasia and abortion in ALL circumstances. If you preach to be against something, but then condone that thing, that is in fact hypocrisy. There is no gray area in this context. It doesn't matter what the situation is.
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@mrstilton2654 I never got the notification, which is why I am responding three days later. You aren't "predominantly" anything. My whole original point was that you can't be both pro-life and pro-choice. One is the anthesis of the other. You tried to give an interpretation of a definition that wasn't accurate, then got mad when you got called out. And again, the subject of whether is someone is pro-life or pro-choice is not a grey area. You are one or the other. This has nothing to do with the morality of abortion.
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@mrstilton2654 There has never been a case of legislation on abortion that has passed that made an exception for rape. Neither Alabama nor Texas had a rape exception. Would you agree with that legislation? Right. And then I provided you with the definition of opposed. Here it is again: eager to prevent or put an end to. Pro-life: opposing abortion and euthanasia. No where does this definition make an exception in any circumstances, because to make an exception would be hypocritical, since pro-life's cry is that the fetus is alive and human and therefore is its own being. To make an exception for rape would essentially say that the value of the fetus is dependent on how its conceived, which is not something pro-lifers would agree with. If we were debating about the morality of abortion, then yes. That would be a gray area. But we aren't. We're debating about the definitions between pro-life and pro-choice. There is no grey area here. You are one or the other.
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@mrstilton2654 But that legislation has never passed. So you didn't answer my question. Do you support the legislation that have not made exceptions for rape or the life of the mother? I already have. Numerous times. I am not going to continue doing the same song and dance with you. You are, by definition, pro-choice. Don't like that? Then don't support abortion for rape victims. Sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too. I am well aware that people take a similar stance to you. They would also be pro-choice. They just don't seem to have a problem with that label, and it sounds to me like you do, which I don't understand. If I'm the first person you've come across that doesn't try to bend definitions to suit a position, that's honestly really sad. These words are anthesises. You cannot be both. Just like how you can't alive and dead. Or atheist and thiest. They contradict each other. You can have a conditional opinion. That's not the issue. The issue is you having that opinion and then trying to state your pro-life. Your opinion contradicts the definition or pro-life. This isn't an opinion. Its a fact. Pro-life is opposed to abortion and euthanasia. Pro-choice is not. You can be anti-abortion and be pro-choice. You can set standards on what situations you find abortion acceptable. But in both of those cases, you are still pro-choice. If the reason you are pro-life stems from inherent value of life, then yes. You would be a hypocrite. If you support abortion in any case, at all, you are pro-choice. Period.
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Because the fetus is incapable of making a choice, since it isnt sentient.
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No, that's not true. Only guns sold by licensed dealers need a background check in most states. Private sales are left up to the states, and most do not require a background check. I assume that's where she gets that. Still misinformation. But...for the wrong reason.
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And what about the victims who sre anti-death penalty?
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No, most pro-choicers understand that life begins at conception. The argument, however, isn't life. Its about the senteince of the fetus and the rights of the mother.
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@mathildeyoung1823 At a base level, we are clumps of cells, but I understand what you mean. However, those people are uneducated. I don't know many who say it isn't alive. Though I know they exist. As for denying humanity, well that kind of depends on your definition. Is it human in the literal sense? Absolutely. Is it human in a colloquial sense? Not really. I don't find need to justify killing a non-sentient fetus. Sorry, I just don't think its wrong.
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Except I know many young Christians who spout the exact same rhetoric. What is their excuse?
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@codnoob1152 Because it's none of anyone's business what a person does with their body when a fetus isnt sentient.
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That doesn't make us the top of the food chain. We're certainly not.
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@kingt1184 We're not an apex predator and food chains are measured by trophic levels. We are not the top of the food chain by any scientific standard.
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You are objectively wrong, at least in the states. Murder is a legal term.
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No, that isn't true. The death penalty only deters those who would have never considered doing it in the first place.
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Vaccines don't work the way you apparently think they do.
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No one is talking about murdering a baby.
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If you are pro-life, then you are trying to restrict rights and freedoms. To both pregnant people and the dying. Period.
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@marz8379 Because the definition of pro-life sees to outlaw euthanasia and abortion entirely.
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Absolutely not. What determines this "psy test?" You cannot withold my rights just because I'm mentally ill. A vast majority of the population is mentally ill. Psyche tests would be unconstitutional.
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Its not that they don't see their value. Its that their value isn't inherent. I.e. you're not valuable just because you exist.
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What are the RIGHT things about Christianity? It changes not only in the Bible, but from person to person. Yes it does actually. Getting divorced outside of God's parameters, and espeically then getting remarried, is adultery. Leviticus makes it quite clear that homosexuality is a sin. Abortion goes back and forth. Jesus may have never existed. You cannot use that as an argument untill you have proven that. Perhaps if Christianity dodn't fo back and forth, that wouldn't be an issue
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Even if a God exists, morality would still be subjective. Sure, you could argue that it would be the HIGHEST level of subjectivity, but it would still merely be YOUR God's opinion. And that isn't contradictory. I have a higher moral standard than your Bible.
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@warstaneagle If we're taking the Bible literally, then I do have a higher moral standard then your Bible. I find slavery, rape, genocide and torture despicable, whereas your God does not. Just because its subjective doesn't mean there isn't right or wrong. I live by secularism, which strives for compassion of mankind. Therefore, murdering somone would be wrong in that worldview. It doesn't have to be objective for me or a society to find it wrong. I can't say its objectively wrong, because not all people share that viewpoint. Nothing in nature tells you murder is wrong. You believing it is wrong depends on the time period and environment you grow up in. Considering once again that your Bible is a-ok with rape, genocide and slavery, your God's "morality" is abhorrent. Good thing I don't believe in one though.
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IssyFishyy Because it is. If you are raped, you are either to be stoned to death (if you are betrothed) or married to your rapist (if you are a virgin). Use your mental gymnastics or apologetics all you want. That is not a lie. Regardless of why he did it, God comitting genocide means he's fine with it as long as its within HIS rules. That is LITERALLY justifying genocide. Are you asking my subjective opinion as to what's wrong with slavery? Or what is inherently wrong with slavery?
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@WesS2016 I completely agree with you.
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@Account 1 Because he is trying to restrict rights of women.
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There's nothing wrong with that.
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No. But extremists are.
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You miss the point of the entire argument. The point is, should someone be allowed to use your organ for their survival when you do not consent to it.
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I don't think he should have, no.
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@wb624 Ted Bundy did not escape from prison nor did he escape numerous times. He escaped first from a court library and was a fugitive for 6 days. He did not murder anyone but did rob several things including clothing, a rifle and a car. His second escape was from a jail, not a prison, and was entirely on the fault of the jail staff, resulting in the murders of 3 other women. And even then, in my opinion, he should not have received the death penalty. It was costly and he was helping law enforcement with other cases at the time of his execution.
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@wb624 Not trying to argue. Meerly giving you a different opinion and clearing up your lie.
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@noskpain2792 Polygamy and polyamory are different things. I am polyamorous but not polygamous. Though to be fair, I would be polygamous if it were allowed. It should be recognized. Because its real.
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@noskpain2792 Again, that bears no meaning to the conversation. You can be polyamorous. You just can only legally marry one spouse. That's my current situation.
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No he wasn't. She's borh, like most atheists.
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@ER - 07DG - Robert H Lagerquist Sr PS (1473) Yes. Agnostic is knowledge. Atheism is belief.
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Well no. Thats just not true. We don't eat grass.
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Except they don't. Because they can't. Because they lack a nervous system and brain. Plants, like all living things, react to outside stimuli. And when their environment changes, they respond. Actually, the main point of most vegans and vegetarians is health.
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@motherphatburger2653 No. No they don't. They have a chemical response because you damage cell walls when you chop or uproot it. That is nothing like pain.
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@patrickstewart4715 That's a matter of personal opinion. I dont believe that's justice.
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The Bible also says to kill children and rape women.
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I highly doubt you actually are pro-life. You're probably pro-choice or what we call "pro-life with special circumstances".
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Being pro-choice and vegan doesn't make you a hypocrite, even on an ethical level.
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So...then he wasn't right. He could not back up what he said.
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@totalwarawesome Or just a private sale. Since most states do not put restrictions on them.
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@totalwarawesome Illinois is all screwed up. I live in Indiana and its like...embarrassingly easy to get a gun.
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Because that isn't true. Most states do not have registered firearms nor have any restrictions on private sales.
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@jameslassiter8858 I have never had a background check on any of the firearms I have purchased. They were purchased privately and did not require one. State and federal laws are different. My state also doesn't register firearms. If anything, I'd say you need a little research.
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Abortion is not murder. I doubt you were a rape survivor as you lack the understanding of what murder is and the difference between jail and prison. Rape is a felony charge. A fetus isnt a baby. Take a biology class.
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@parthenon5106 Pro-life people try to force an unfit mother to birth a child she cannot care for. "No one forces you to have sex and get pregnant" So...rape just isn't a thing? 1% is still 1%. How about getting perspective about the future for the unborn instead of hust focusing on the fact that they're alive?
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Any one in the 38 of 50 states that do not restrict private sales.
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Background checks are not required for private sales
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@danielbrophy7873 No, thats not how that works. Once the gun in purchased, it becomes owned by the purchaser, so long as the sale was legal. Most states don't even require you to register a gun to be legal. FFL dealers are the only ones obligated to provide a background check.
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Yeah, tell that to the people stabbed or burned to death in Europe.
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@FridolinH I know plenty of people in the UK in fear of walking outside and being shanked, just as you probably know many Americans who are in fear of walking out and being shot.
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Gun show? Yes. Gun store? No.
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@codyralston2576 my state only requires a background check for FFL dealers. Most shows I've been to have been private sales. But every state is different.
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Execpt the other animals have a nutritional need for meat whereas humans do not.
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@Dami-dm5sj No. I didn't say that. I am very well aware that things that cannot be observed in reality might be true. My stance is until some form of evidence and testing can be done to show it is in reality, there is no reason to believe in it. If we have no evidence of something, it does make it untrue. But only in the current time. Truth, by definition, is based on fact and reality. Sure, but if you can't find evidence, then the logical conclusion to reach is that the person is innocent. Its to suspend belief until that evidence can be found. You cannot call a being that you can't provide evidence of objective. You don't have that knowledge, and to claim you do is dishonest. At the end of the day, you can believe that God is an objective truth, but at the present time, you can't claim that to be true. You simply don't know. The Bible is a 2000 year old book containing things we now know to be untrue. That is called circular reasoning. You are a Christian because you have cognitive dissonance, and choose to reject evidence that contradicts the Bible, which in my opinion, is kind of sad. The fact is you are that gullible, because you do not acknowledge the evidence or the contradictions of the Bible. If it brings you joy to believe in God, I respect that choice. But to call God an objective truth is a statement that needs evidence. Evidence you do not possess.
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@IssyFishyy Nah, the one with confirmation bias is you. Show me the evidence for a God, let alone your God, and I'd be more than happy to see it. It can. And it has.
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Marcy Christians do that too, as do all members of all religions. That's something humans do.
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Marcy To be fair, I think what the Christian said was condescending.
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Marcy To me, she sounded condescending by saying you cant really live a full rich life without believing in a god or the spiritual realm.
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Marcy I don't personally think he did that at all. I think she seemed to state as fact that a God is real and you can't live a full life without him, but that's just my impression.
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@mavzer0 Most atheists don't outright deny a possibility of a God. Thats why most atheists are agnostic.
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No where in the definition of atheism does it mention the supernatural. You are probably also agnostic. Agnostic atheism is a thing.
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I've never had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. I agree that anti-gunners need to read the laws, but I understand how they can be easily confused.
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@tuthuihfthjgfyh1922 There is no gun registry in my state.
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Genetics.
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@heghoge4639 But thats the reason.
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@heghoge4639 Genetics are what make animals act the way they do. Lions are predators with a nutritional need for meat. Humans are not. Then again, I don't care what you eat
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Things are rarely what they appear to be. Polyamory is just being in a romantic relationship with more than one person.
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@newshot3191 She is an agnostic atheist.
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@MonDieuMaCauseMonEpee Men have ways to not pay child support so this argument has never made sense.
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Jim McGahhey Well yes in a way. See the issue comes with knowing something. It makes little sense to say "I believe Trump is the President" because that's a fact. That's knowledge as opposed to belief. You don't have to believe in knowledge. The supernatural is where belief plays over knowledge. This is why a lot of people chose to just say "I'm agnostic", even if that isn't a stand alone claim
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Its not that we don't have good arguments. Its you have a stance on the issue and don't think our arguments are good enough. I don't think pro-life has any good arguments. That burger you ate in the last week had a head, arms and legs too.
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He is using language like that because his license was on probation for his anti-vaccine views.
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Excuse me, but as long as they're not sentient and using my uterus and using me to develop then I do have the right to terminate them. Murder is a legal term and does not apply to abortion. The fetus's right to life is NOT greater than my right to liberty.
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@davidgeier6365 They are usually sentient between 10 and 12 weeks when the brainstem finishes developing. But all rights are created equal. The right to life cannot impede on the right to liberty. That is why abortion is legal. If a woman dosen't consent to a fetus using her uterus, it is violating her rights. And if we wanted to be really technical, the unborn do not have constitutional rights. (Which is something even I disagree with)
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@davidgeier6365 The Constitution says all rights are equal. Its not trumping the right to life. Let me give you an example. If I have been in a severe accident and will die without a blood transfusion, and you happen to be a match, should you be FORCED to donate blood to me simply because it will save my life? No. You shouldn't be obligated to give your body to someone else, whether that be another sentient individual or a fetus. I totally agree that steps should be taken to prevent unwanted pregnancies. But thay starts with access to contraception and better sex education.
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@davidgeier6365 Umm no they aren't? At least not for females. Nearly all forms of contraception are by prescription only in the US. I don't understand where you get the idea that you can get contraception in a gas station, unless you're referring to condoms and occasionally plan B. I understand that only abstinence protects 100%. But consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
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She said she doesnt believe in God, period. God meaning any God. So she is an atheist. You can be an atheist and believe in the supernatural.
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@warshaddow7977 I personally dont know any Christian who says that when you claim to be an atheist.
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If he doesn't want to pay child support, he has options available to him. He could fight in court for custody of the child or he could sign his parental rights away. Systemically, the system isn't fair to men, as both of these methods require money for legal fees. The issue is, child support is a mandate. Abortion is a constitutional right.
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Most people who support capital punishment are pro-life. I'm anti-death penalty and pro-choice
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@person7340 Yes they can, and all definitions of the word "murder" contain the word "unlawful".
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Yes and? The issue is sentience. Not life.
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Life is not the issue. And it is also not separate. It depends on the mother for survival on a biological level. It DOESN'T have different DNA unless it has a mutation. Your DNA is half your mothers and half your fathers. Your blood type also depends on your parents. Differences in personality requires a brain/brainstem. Something that happens after the time of most abortions
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Because typically it is. It does damage to the digestive tract and the cardiovascular system when eaten regularly. It also doesn't inherently harm you. You can be healthy on a vegan or omnivorous diet.
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@Sparkle815 And thats perfectly fine. Just eat it in moderation.
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Because he did. I don't think he did it intentionally, and there was no reason for her to react like that, but he did twist her words.
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@23SodaCan32 He literally said "so what your saying is". Thats unintentionally twisting her point. Again, she was in the wrong for reacting that way.
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@liarose2054 You've been saying that for the last 2000 years. Still waiting
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Not deserving a second chance and deserving capital punishment is not a reason to ennact a law. Thats a fallacious argument. By the way, pedophiles can, and have, been successfully rehabilitated. This depends on the person.
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@He loves you! Since you conflate abortion with infanticide, yeah. You are.
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Why do idiots always strawman the abortion argument? I don't even care about what people it, but its about the needs behind it. Learn the difference between a fetus and a baby and learn what sentience is. Learn why people choose to have an abortion before shaming them.
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You realize the flu kills nearly 40,000 people a year, right?
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@jeice13 In the US. And regardless, that's more than need be. I'm not arguing for or against the flu vaccine. I'm saying that's why you should get a vaccine, since fatal complications can arise from the flu. If you don't want to think vaccines are necessary, thats you.
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@jeice13 That is not true and a number you made up in your head. Lets take the MMR vaccine. The odds of having reactionary seizures is 1 in 3000. The odds of developing encephalitis from measles is 1 in 400, and out of those, 1 in 175 will die. Vaccines are designed to protect you against complications that arise from these illnesses. You are a risk for bringing back these conditions when we don't vaccinate.
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Not really. I just get tired of misinformation being spread. I don't really care what you eat.
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No one is pro abortion, but I am certainly pro choice and would love to talk with you.
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@ourblessedtribe9284 Sure. I don't have your e-mail address, nor did I recieve a private message from you.
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Please stay in school. God knows you need it. By the way, no one has a right to anything. You only have rights because the government says you do.
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@Elm98 If you "truly followed the word of God" you would be in prison. Probably on death row. There is much of the Bible you take metaphorically, because it's evil if taken literally. The Bible is not "facts". God existing is not a "fact". Facts require evidence.
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@Elm98 You don't know that its meant to be read metaphorically. The word of God is frankly, worth nothing.
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Risen ™ People blame God because supposedly he's this all loving being that does shit to help his creations. She probably already was an atheist, and her father and relationship just further solidified her disbelief.
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Risen ™ What makes you think she was always an atheist? Many people, myself included, become atheists because of the hypocrisy of religion and because this so called God does nothing to help us.
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Risen ™ People use God to justify hurting others. That's why many people leave religion. Then they see no evidence for an almighty creator and they become atheists.
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@joerenwick5018 Of course not. The US has a larger population than the UK, so of course there's going to be more. But if we're debating statistics, the US homicide rate has been declining, whereas the UK's has been rising. That really has nothing to do with guns, however. You still have more people being stabbed and firebombed. The majority of gun related deaths? They're suicides and gang violence, not mass shootings and one off homicides.
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@joerenwick5018 As if people just give guns to gangs and suicidal people? I think the right to live includes the right to die. And please explain to me how being stabbed is better than being shot
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@joerenwick5018 If you want to believe the media on that, be my guest. If you actually lived here, you would know not only that wasn't true, but legally, we have no concise legal definition for a mass shooting.
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Because I have a different diet than you?
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Sometimes, I really wonder if people who don't support abortion know there are 44,000 children under 18 waiting to be adopted and 15% of them will either commit suicide or end up in prison because they'll be kicked out at 18 with nothing, having never been adopted.
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@adrianl2489 Thats not something they may want. Just as you have a problem with a woman choosing death for the fetus, they don't make the choice to live either. And many people would have rather been aborted thank live in a life of suffering
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I've never met a vegan who doesn't understand that plants are living. We do. But thats not the issue ethical vegans have. Some call you killers because you actively support the killing of sentient animals. If you have no preexisting conditions and you can afford complimenting, you should have no dietary complications from veganism. But everyone works differently. Most people do not need meat. Meat is a want.
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I would honestly be so scared to live in Europe, where your homicide rate tripled, and you have knife attacks, acid attacks and fire bombings.
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His point was the majority of people can be rehabilitated. Mental illness is a very broad term, and neither psychopathy nor sociopathy are words we use anymore.
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Nothing of what he said was right.
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 How about you tell me what he said was factual and not just a belief?
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 No the reason I can't see heaven is because its a supernatural claim. That's not a Biblical tenant. Anyone who is a heratic and does not repent is cast into Hell according to the Bible, regardless of their mental status. Laws preventing murder have nothing to do with value. They have to do with protecting a right enshrined in a legal document. Without a government, murder simply does not exist. Humans have been killing each other for millennium. God has no evidence. If you can provide this evidence, go and win your Nobel Prize and destroy atheism. Also no, the universe is not orderly. It only seems that way to us, because we have scientific laws we're accustomed to. You also haven't demonstrated that there must be a supernatural "creator" of this.
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 No. They aren't. They're inspired by secular values. Our founders were not Christian. They were deists. You don't "know" the truth. You believe what you believe. You also pick and choose what parts of the Bible you choose to listen to. I was a Christian for 20 years, and have never been happier now that I've turned away. I doubt I'll get a response, but I'd love for you to answer this question. How would you feel if you knew none of this was real? Would your life change at all?
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 Right and wrong through scripture huh? So slavery, genocide and rape is fine in your opinion? You do pick and choose. Because you would be on death row if you didn't.
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@ayedatsnemo-0457 Except is does. Especially in the old testament. You cannot give qualities to a being that may not exist. And the God portrayed in the Bible certainly isn't loving.
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Not all vegans are like that.
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@piesandhiking4943 I'm a vegan and much healthier and happier now. Preferences.
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IssyFishyy Nice how that works.
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They do. Adoption is a whole other problem.
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Because they aren't sentient.
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No, it was more focused of rehabilitation and lengthy sentencing than death. Least thats my take.
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So why is there a whole category called "man-eaters"?
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@ilya34prvur19 I disagree.
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Thats not the argument from an ethical standpoint.
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No it isn't. Its just misnamed. It refers to the private sales of firearms at shows.
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@owennelson2460 No its not. It just depends on who you are buying from. All of my guns have been purchased privately at shows and I have never had a background check.
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Since most abortions take place before sex can be determined, that claim is unverifiable.
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Wait until you find out polyamorous asexuals exist...
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@3301-w5d Because....love doesn't equal sexual attraction? You can be polyamorous, i.e. romantically in love with multiple people, and have no sexual attraction. I'm married, poly and ace. Its really not that complicated.
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@3301-w5d No, because those who are polyamorous are romantically in love with multiple people, something people often say you cannot be. I am in love with both men I am with. I am romantically involved with them. But I have no sexual interest or desire in either of them, because I am asexual. I do not feel sexual attraction
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You know what baffles me? Pro life hypocrites who dont give a damn about life unless its human and who can't be bothered to look up the definition of "murder". Also, people who dont understand the biological difference between a "child" and a "fetus".
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@codnoob1152 Oh. You're back. We're not fake for supporting people's right to choose. Weak and deceitful? Because we believe in quality of life? Get the fuck over yourself. You're pro life until someone you love wants to have an abortion. Then it's just fine
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@codnoob1152 You are so far gone into your religious bullshit that I can't even be bothered with you. Get over the fact that abortion will always be a thing until you step up to treat the causes. I wonder, since your so pro life, if you would pay for a child for 18 years that wasn't yours just so the mother wouldn't have an abortion. I doubt it. I doubt youd adopt it to.
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Pro-life, by definition, is against abortion in any circumstance. People like to change that definition because they don't want to be called vile for forcing a rape victim to carry, or a medical patient to suffer.
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@CS_Lewis That made no sense.
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-Not every vegan is an ethical vegan -False. Most of the crops farmed goes to animal feed for livestock, not vegan food. -False. A meal can deliver optimal nutrition without meat. Complimenting.
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@Boot_Ma9net There are many ethical reasons to be vegan, but I am not one for eithcal reasons. No vegan thinks everyone would be vegan overnight. But if the world eventually DID go vegan, no. More animals would not die. And there is no evidence to support that. Again, false. Soybeans are a complete protein. And complimenting allows people to get all the nutrients they need. You won't argue it because your wrong. Diets are different for everyone.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 So basically "violate a majority of the populations constitutional rights"
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@freedomdividendnews5042 No you wouldn't and thats also not a fallacy. Banning guns from good people saves no one.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 You wouldn't know a fallacy if it bit you in the ass. If you don't believe in the Constitution, then you don't deserve the rights in grants you. Also, you're right. But allowing citizens to carry and trusting that a majority are good people saves lives. The majority of homicides related to guns occur in strict gun law states.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 I don't agree with child piercings or circumcision, but that doesn't make them rights. Something everyone needs to learn is you do not have inherent rights.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 That is not a right. That is a privilege.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 I disagree. You are not entitled to anything other than to be treated like a human and be protected from harm. Its not psychopathic (which isn't a term used anymore) to believe you should earn your keep. I empathize with people who struggle to get food and shelter. But that still isn't something that should be handed out.
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@freedomdividendnews5042 One person's opinion on a hierarchy of needs does not make it correct. Nothing, inherently, is a right. Its a privilege. I worked my ass off for the home that I have. Why should someone get for free what I worked for? You only have rights because of a government. Nothing is inherently owed to you. You work for it.
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Are you referring to why do people hate Christians?
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@darthvader-gf2po Most people dont. They hate the religion you practice.
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@darthvader-gf2po As long as you believe in Jesus Christ and the Christian God, you are a Christian. By the way, pretty hard to know what a deity wants when a) one hasn't been proven to exist and b) his so called word contradicts itself
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@darthvader-gf2po I dont hate secular Christians. Hell, my fiance is Christian. I hate the religion of Christianity.
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@darthvader-gf2po No, because the religion itself. The bible itself. It promotes hatred and violence. The people who can be completely secular are also those who can be fundamentalists.
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Then you are just wrong. Wanna be monogamous? Then be monogamous.
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Because its not only unconstitutional, but ungradable. Who decides whether you're healthy enough to own a gun? I suffer PTSD, Autism and SCD. I've never been violent, so why should my right be denied because my brain works differently?
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We should stop the misconception that "only eating plants" is an accurate representation of a vegan diet. Plenty of vegan foods are full of protein. Soybeans are a complete protein. In some, long term veganism may be unhealthy. That's not the case for all. And all of those problems you listed could also be a result of eating meat. I've never been healthier now that I'm vegan. There are bodybuilders, athletes, and old folks alike who have been on a vegan diet for decades and are in perfect health. The key is finding a diet that suits you, whether it be vegan or contain meat.
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No. It's just that rational individuals know the difference between sentience and life, and know when a law being in place is practical
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The gun show background check is determined by who and where you buy the gun. Only FFL dealers are under a federal obligation to provide a background check. No such thing on private sales.
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The issue has never and should never be life. It should be sentience. And it also depends greatly on whether you find life inherently valuable.
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@matt1325 Not really an argument
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@W R Technically, since all 3 satanists are non-theistic, they are technically atheists.
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Mainly because there's nothing really wrong with the ingredients. They can cause side effects in certain people, but all medications do that.
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A gun actually is a right in the US. Sorry that you don't have the natural right to protect yourself.
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@mmminsku You don't need a gun until you need a gun. Why do you think Police carry guns?
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@mmminsku No they shouldn't. The harder you make guns to obtain for law abiding citizens, the easier it becomes for criminals.
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@mmminsku Because you allow cartels to spring up. It works the same way with drugs. You ban drugs and suddenly get millions of people getting it illegally. If you made it easier to get legally, cartels can't function. No one would buy from them, except criminals. You'd see less mass shootings too.
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@lukeh8056 No they cannot.
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@marijuannasenpai1196 You can't feel pain without a nervous system or a brain
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A psychological test is unconstitutional. Thats a violation of someone's right to privacy. You can't deny someone their right on the grounds that their mental illness MIGHT affect them. If that were the law, most lawful people would not be able to purchase a gun, as the majority is mentally ill. By the way, "psychopath" is not a recognized term. Its an ASPD spectrum disorder.
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It doesn't make us mad. It hust irritates us that you don't understand what "truth" means. Your opinion doesn't make something true. If you want to say the world was created by a God, you must prove it before it is accepted as truth.
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And many of us wish we were never alive to begin with.
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And monogamous people are controlling and possessive.
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@TheLeadGamer10 you made my point for me. Just as its foolish to call all monogamous people possessive and controlling, its foolish to call all polyamorous people selfish. That is absolutely false, and you have no idea how polyamorous people function. You base what you know strictly on what a few people say.
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@TheLeadGamer10 Except that's not the intended nature of polyamorous relationships, and you would know that if you spent time actually talking to poly people instead of juding by ONE experience. That is not the way I view monogamous relationships. And that is not the way polyamorous relationships work either.
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What do these two things have to do with one another?
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So better to never feel that than to be abused and unloved when you can huh?
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Argument from emotion fallacy.
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No one ever has to die. Not like this at least. Perhaps it isn't worth it to you, but I don't think its worth the risk of executing an innocent.
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@TheJReZone Considering surgical abortions only occur in medical necessity cases, I doubt you know how most abortions are performed.
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Yes...because if guns were banned, criminals just wouldn't get them. Yeah, no.
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Just go to a private seller.
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Been to several gun shows as well. Never had a background check (except when I got my ccl). Depends on where you live and who you're buying from.
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@judeminiat247 I was buying privately. I got my CCL after buying my firearms. My point was private sales can happen at shows.
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@judeminiat247 Technically, the "gun show loophole" refers to the private sales of guns at shows that do not require a background check. The reason its a myth is a) its not a loophole, and b) private sales aren't restricted to shows. Its a red herring.
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@kingorange7739 Abortion isn't murder.
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The "gun show loophole" is a red herring term for the private sales of firearms at shows. This absolutely occurs, and is 100% legal in most states.
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My children are just fine having 3 parents.
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@XOX-ZOMBIE-XOX If you really think its just pretend, you're simply ignorant. Both of the men in my life are my children's father. They call them both Daddy. They love and provide for them. You don't have to be biologically related to be a "real parent"
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@XOX-ZOMBIE-XOX It actually is. And I'm sorry you have such a problem with my relationship.
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@XOX-ZOMBIE-XOX So because my kids are happy and loved, they have a problem? I'm sorry that you didn't experience that.
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Because situations may suddenly change? Because most people don't have sex to make a baby?
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@michaeldesanta5701 Having an "if" mindset is not only unhealthy, its unrealistic. You can't go your whole life wondering what if. Sure, you should be ready. But people aren't. And situations suddenly change. That's why abortion is a right.
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@michaeldesanta5701 There's a difference between being cautious and paranoid. And yes. Most people do act without thinking.
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Most people can also walk outside and go to school without worrying. Especially in lax gun state laws and in schools that allow students to carry. I wonder why those places never have mass shootings.
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E M #Afetusisnotababy
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E M Okay. 1. A fetus is not a baby. Neither medically or scientifically. 2. Yes there is a heartbeat after a certain period of time. Most abortions take place before that. 3. Murder is by definition unlawful. Since abortion is not unlawful, it is not murder. Morality is a subjective concept. Your morals are different than others.
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E M Oh I know you weren't being serious. I just have nothing better to do at the moment lol
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Why? Because we have a different viewpoint? Or becauae you generalize us?
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Another body that does not exist without the use of someone else. You don't get to use someone else, even if its to sustain life.
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@rachelnkemokoro2004_ I never instituted to celebrate it. This clearly was a joke. Although I am sure there are people who are.
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Probably not. I've met some that say COVID19 is a government population control virus...
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@Kennywinful Its ridiculous really.
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@navyavadlamudi1899 No. No its not. Science has no basis in moral discussion. You can only use science to back up your argument.
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That is arguing from emotion, a weak fallacy. Laws should be based on practicality, not strictly emotions.
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The Christians were doing the exact same thing. Way to show your bias.
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No, they can't. You cannot feel pain without a nervous system.
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@fittzie Plants recognize injury through outside stimuli that react when cell walls are broken. Pain can only be registered by a brain and nervous system.
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@fittzie It's incapable of feeling.
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@fittzie Yes it is. They have no brain nor nervous system.
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The Nazi's did it with sentient humans, which a fetus is not. Not believing human life has inherent value is not the same. We take abortion on a case by case basis. Often, its not JUST poverty that drives an abortion. Abortions are taking responsibility. Its recognizing your inability to care for a child. What is NOT responsible is having a child you then abuse and neglect, because you don't have the resources to care for it.
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No, its because ethical vegans are against owning pets. They view it as a type of enslavement. They want domestication to stop completely.
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Funny. I feel the same way about most monogamous people. Must be a preference.
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@brittoncoil2518 Isn't that what you're just telling yourself as well though? You happen to find polyamorous people unattractive?
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@brittoncoil2518 Good to know you judge people you don't know based on an internet name. I have a husband though, so its not like your opinion matters.
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IssyFishyy Jesus existing (which there isn't even any evidence for, though his existence is probable) and vague "prophecies" that can literally be fit in anywhere has nothing to do with a God existing.
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IssyFishyy The earliest records of Jesus were written 30 years after his supposed lifetime. No one who would have actually witnessed him left any documentation. Do I think he existed? Yeah probably. There are prophecies in the Talmuid and Quran that have come true too. So why aren't there God's real? Until you can provide evidence of a God's existence, its wise to withhold belief.
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IssyFishyy Then the honest answer would be disbelief. Not belief.
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And that is why you shouldn't argue from morality, and instead argue from a practical and logical sense.
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@Bodhi That's what everyone gets told
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Not all.
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Very few people who get the death penalty are diagnosed with ASPD.
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I'm poly with two kids. What would you like to know?
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Good thing no one has proven heaven even exists. Also good thing abortion isnt murder. Did you skip the part in the Bible where it supports abortion? Or are you one of the "old testament doesn't count anymore" people?
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No, not necessarily. That is the way the brain is wired. Its a sexual preference. The only thing you can do is have a responsible conversation. Being in love and committed has no bearing on partners.
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@idk_14702 Good. Stay that way when schools reopen.
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@idk_14702 That's fine. And since home schooling doesn't have a "graduation" or a "grade-level" system, no. You haven't graduated anything. You also won't get into a college without a GED, so hopefully you have a family owned business or labor work you can go into.
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How do you know they're unhealthy?
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@laurac2031 While I certainly don't agree with the original comment, you not only strawmanned the argument, you are blatantly either lying or misinformed.
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As if the fetus cares.
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@redredred8408 But they only say that in hindsight. Had they been aborted, they would have lacked the ability to care. And how about all those people who wish they had been aborted?
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Then stop putting people in prison for non violent minor offenses. Focus on rehabilitation of the ones who can ben rehabilitated. If you stopped harsh sentences for minor offenses, then you could absolutely abolish the death penalty and still have room. You are using a fallacious argument.
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Egg Head Yeah actually. I would have rather been aborted then deal with what I had to in life. But I'm here, so I have to deal. Actually in is unhealthy if you have those urges and refuse to act upon them. Why do you think celibate priests touch children? Because they aren't allowed to have natural relations. Sex isn't just to procreate. It's pleasurable for the body.
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Egg Head No, I haven't committed suicide because it's illegal and I'm a coward, not because I want to live. As of right now, I don't care if I live or die, but I make my life the best possible with the hand I work with.
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Egg Head I think it's wrong that all you care about is that the child is born and you don't give a shit into the situation they are born into. I find that sad.
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Egg Head And what about the chance you are never adopted? Guess what happens then? You're on the streets at 18 with nothing. Adoption agencies have terrible problems. You may one day feel different if you ever have to live on the streets
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Egg Head You may also be killing rapists, serial killers and abusers. That's not an argument. You can claim it's for inconvience, but I have yet to meet a woman who just jumped to abortion. That doesn't happen. Realizing you are stable enough to handle a child and cannot provide for it, and choosing to abort is responsible.
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Egg Head There are many people who say everyday that they wish they had been aborted. I know many people on the streets who either commit suicide or end up in prison. You may never recover. Up until a certain point, a fetus doesn't care what happens to it. You can't miss something you never had
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Egg Head Because a homeless person is sentient. A fetus is not.
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Egg Head I tend to leave that up to the person. This is why I strongly believe in living wills. But yeah. I have no issue with taking someone off of life support who's in a coma.
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Egg Head No. I believe once a fetus has sentience, it should be protected. As a base level, everything is a clump of cells.
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Egg Head In my opinion, it should be illegal when that fetus is sentient.
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Egg Head No you can't. Not at the time most abortions take place. A majority take place between 6 and 9 weeks. A fetus is incapable of crying or feeling pain because it lacks a brainstem. I think when the brainstem develops (between 14-15 weeks) that should be the absolute cut off point.
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Egg Head Its not about life. It's about sentience. No, I'm not Catholic. I'm an atheist. I knoe many woman who have regretted their decision to abort. I know many others who don't. I care more about the quality of life a child is born into than them being born period. If you're really pro life, that's what you should care about. I support a woman's right to have an abortion if she does not feel fit.
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Egg Head The child isn't capable of knowing what rights are you idiot. It has no brainstem. That is what I am saying. Until a certain point, it is part of the mother entirely. That is when it should be protected.
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Reporting them doesn't mean vaccines were actually the cause. Some people will have adverse reactions.
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Because for some it is. Try talking to people who have been tortured by their families or the state. That's why it should be a choice. Those that are already in the system should have a right to live or die as they see fit. Because unlike a fetus, they are not interfering with another person's rights.
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@GoldenWolf248 Because it requires the use of a woman's uterus, which unless she consents to, is a violation of her right to liberty. I never said it wasn't human. It is.
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And there are plenty of children in the adoption system waiting for them. By the way, most abortions are performed before 12 weeks.
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@nataliaburnsed4322 Then I think you're a disgusting individual who would sit back and watch other children suffer because they don't meet your criteria.
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Depends on what state and who you're buying the gun from.
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Did you flunk biology? Viruses can survive outside of a host. Their life span is just shortened.
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@9z9z9z9 You don't spread it anymore with vaccines than you do any other way. You aren't prolonging its existence by vaccinating. In fact, you raise the risk of mutating it by remaining unvaccinated. We will never be rid of pathogens, but we can work towards eliminating as many as possible.
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@9z9z9z9 To seek something impossible is foolish. I can tell you failed biology, because you lack any knowledge about how diseases form
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@9z9z9z9 If you honestly think nothing is impossible, you are blind. That is not to say they will always be impossible. But they are in the realm of our current existence.
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@9z9z9z9 Acting without knowledge is stupidity defined.
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@9z9z9z9 I get the distinct impression you do not know how a virus works.
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@kg7518 You don't know that.
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@Aanbrickalan How does stripping away bodily autonomy suggest you have a brain? You lie about what murder means, pretend abstinence thinking actually works, lie about all life mattering (since those animals you eat are more sentient than most aborted fetuses), and pretend like adoption is always available. Why do all pro-lifers have the need to compulsively lie?
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Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer. So no, they're not required for all sales. Just most sales.
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You know how we stop people getting murdered? Putting defense in the hands of more good people. Next time a robber breaks into your home with an illegal weapon, tell the police to just leave their lethal weapons at home. See how that goes.
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Sure. What would you like to know?
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@shirleyperez9473 I know life begins at conception, based on the established definition of life. However, sentience is what supersedes life in my opinion.
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He's hated because he came into this condescendingly and when was told he was wrong, meerly claimed his beliefs were facts.
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@dianacollins6336 There is nothing in vaccines that you aren't already exposed to or that your body doesn't produce naturally. What do you think is in them that is so harmful?
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That is just...factually untrue.
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Why? Because I am happy with more than one person? Why does that bother you?
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@SarahSarah-hp7sm The person who says that they can't stand a group of people because they're different thinks I need to grow up? How ironic.
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Your sociopathic Friend Everyone is agnostic, or should be. It's not a stand alone claim. I'm an agnostic atheist
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So why should life be the determining factor at all? 1% is still millions of people. Also, how is abortion convenient? I doubt you know what that word means. Oh congrats. Your four case studies were lucky. How about the millions who weren't? Way to show your bias. Yeah, sometimes they are better off dead. They wish they were. Maybe you should spend time in unbiased sources.
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@kva5751 Oh really? In that case, organ and blood donation should be not only mandatory, but forced. You only need one kidney.
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@allisondiaz1319 I don't bother with sources that argue from feelings and nonsense. So how is abortion an easy way out? Both choosing to abort and choosing to raise are hard decisions. To claim that one is easy is inane. Once again, I don't think you know what "convenient" means. I would love your evidence on who viewed their abortion as "convenient". I don't believe that ANY kid is better off dead than in foster care. All I'm saying is to not ignore those MAJORITY who have been abused and neglected by the broken system. Don't discredit people who wish they had been aborted. If someone wants to die, that should be their choice.
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Christians are not oppressed by atheists and are certainly not oppressed in the West. Quit playing the victim.
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No it isn't
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Why? Because abortion isn't murder. And its a constitutional right. You don't get to live at someone else's expense, because your rights are equal.
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@cherb008 For the simple reason that its not unlawful. I'm different from a fetus in that I am a sentient being. I believe a fetus is human from conception if conceived by humans. Because you have a constitutional right to bodily autonomy. I don't get access to your body because you have things I need to survive. I've never understood the "abortion is convenient" arguement. Its not. Your right to life is not above another's right to liberty.
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@cherb008 When the brainstem forms. Usually between 10 and 12 weeks.
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@cherb008 Only for medical purposes. I had to have a a late term abortion because of a medical emergency. I don't think abortions should be performed after the first trimester barring that.
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Lizzie Allen Funny. I don't see pro-lifers doing that either.
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Where would it end? All you do is make it harder for law abiding citizens to get one.
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@hunterricard4529 But most people would be staisified at first with simply restricting them until someone else is shot. It would keep going.
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So death penalty convicts? Yeah, they get unlimited appeals. Thats one reason why its so expensive.
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For what reasons?
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@lolaeishold-lewis8424 I think that's a psychopathic way of thinking. I think wanting to see revenge done to people shows a lack of compassion. Whether or not you think they deserve it, they are still human. Laws should not be based solely on emotions. Capital punishment is not practical.
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@lolaeishold-lewis8424 Then this is just my opinion. I think you have sociopathic traits, as you lack an ability to empathize with those who have done har..
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Vaccines only last a certain number of years. Thats why you get boosters
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Being a horrible human being does not mean we should have a death penalty. Laws should be practical, not based solely on emotion.
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@dverdugo6676 No one should receive the death penalty. It should not exist.
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@dverdugo6676 I could make the argument that's an objective fact.
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@dverdugo6676 More expensive than prison for life, is not a deterrent, does not lower homicide rates, execution of innocent people, countries and states without the death penalty have lower crime etc.
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@dverdugo6676 Exactly. And they have that right because the execution of an innocent person would be against the Constitution. You wouldn't have that problem if you stopped putting non-violent criminals in federal prisons. Just because countries do not have the same population we do doesnt mean there should be such dramatic differences in crime rate. There is no such thing as without a doubt in a legal case. Its always beyond a reasonable doubt.
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@dverdugo6676 No, I don't believe that. My point was that having a death penalty doesnt lower the crime rate. Its not a deterrent.
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@churka5984 I am in a most committed, fulfilling and loving relationship with my husband and my partner than any of my "monogamous" friends. Whats dishonest is for you to just assume that being monogamous means you're more committed.
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Yeah that was. Technically I still am a clump of cells. And?
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@lelisu3101 Thats because unlike a fetus, I have a developed brain.
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@lelisu3101 No, not at all. I know life begins at conception and I know fetuses are human.
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You're not an omnivore unless you choose to be
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@doctorstrange1734 No, that isn't what I said. You can CHOOSE to eat meat. While the species is indeed omnivorous, the individual does not have to be. I choose to be vegan because of my health. I don't argue from morals or ethics.
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@doctorstrange1734 I didn't have a problem eating meat. Not with digestion anyway.
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@doctorstrange1734 Thats fine. I went vegan because chemo shot my metabolism and immune system, and a diet consisting even of good meat and dairy was giving me cardiovascular ans hypertension problems. Digestively, I actually tolerated a meat diet better.
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@travisjohnson7065 Uhh that is not always true. Not all births happen in a hospital setting.
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@travisjohnson7065 That doesn't mean it isn't a violent process. Pregnancy should always be optional. That's why abortions exist. Maybe one day we'll get to a tome where abortions are no longer necessary.
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@travisjohnson7065 You don't get the choice of whether or not you get pregnant when sex occurs, whether consensual or not. Pregnancy is an act that occurs independently from the brain. They are necessary now, and they likely always will be. This is where your comments get irritating. Just because something isn't wrong doesn't mean the act doesn't have negative feelings that go along with it. Those that opt for abortion do not want an abortion. They just know its they're best option because of circumstances. Something doesn't have to be wrong for something to impact you emotionally. It wasn't wrong of me to put my cat down, but it still makes me upset to think about, because I wish the circumstances were different so I didn't have to make that choice. You're an intelligent person, but you either really enjoy baiting people emotionally, or you are extremely emotionally dense.
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The opposite is in fact true. Most humans do not need meat to be healthy. The only nutrient that cannot be found in a vegan diet is B12, which can be found in fortitifed milks. Omnivore does not mean one has to eat meat. It means one can. And while you do skip out on benefits meat offers as a vegan, you also skip out on consequences of eating meat. Find a diet that suits you.
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The Bible is against contraception, so all Christians should be against it. But they pick and choose what verses to follow. You know. Like ripping the unborn out of women.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Way to strawman the argument. A blind person and someone's wife is a sentient being with rights. A fetus is not.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 Being unconscious does not mean you aren't sentient moron. Insentient is also not a word. The argument isn't over whether or not its human. The argument is over whether or not its a person. Take a biology class.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 No one is intrinsically valuable. Value is a word that only has meaning to the person describing it. Its not prescriptive. Its descriptive. Again, the difference between a black person at a fetus was one WAS a person, recognized or not. One is SENTIENT. The other is NOT a person NOR sentient, legally or otherwise, until a certain point in time.
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@blaecccuebbler7711 I don't really care how it reflects on me, because I grow tired of telling you the same thing over and over. Its not an insult. Its the truth. If you act like a moron, that is what you will be called. As a medical school student, no. Unconsciousness does NOT make a person not sentient. A person is sentient as long as they have a functioning brain/brainstem, regardless of their state of consciousness. Personhood: the state or fact of being an individual or having human characteristics and feelings. A fetus does not meet this criteria at the time of most abortions. They are "human" in the sense that they are of the species homo sapiens. But they are not people. No, no it didn't. Its simply a fact. What led to those atrocities is people putting NO value on certain individuals. I don't need intrinsic value to still see the value of someone.
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@cass-bd5jr No its not and I'm sorry you failed biology.
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@cass-bd5jr That is not at all what I am saying. A fetus is biologically attached and dependent on her for its growth. Abortion should be off the table when sentience is achieved. By the way, the cardiovascular system doesn't finish developing until about 16 weeks.
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@cass-bd5jr The brain is not the issue. The brainstem is what controls automatic bodily functions. You can live without a brain. No, that doesn't make them less human and thats not the point. Also no. While a 2 year old may be dependent on an adult, a fetus BIOLOGICALLY depends on its mother for its survival. If removed from its mother before a period of growth, it will die. 4 months is way past sentience. I believe that abortion should be off the table after the first trimester.
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@cass-bd5jr When did I say a fetus wasn't human? It is, but thats not the point. Humans are not on some pedestal to me. Senteince is simply the ability to think and feel subjectively. Anyone or anything with a brainstem has sentience. They just may not be able to show it as we do. A fetus cannot recongnize its mothers voice without a brainstem to register it. Your statements have nothing to do with what I said. I care about sentience. I said biologically dependent. Not attached. As in "needs its host to survive on a biological level" A fully developed fetus is no longer dependant on the mother in this way.
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@cass-bd5jr You don't have to agree with me. Yes, a fetus is humsn. I don't think aborting a fetus for legitimate reasons while it isn't sentient matters. I don't believe in inherent value and have seen the effects of forced births. I think there should be a cutoff point and I think it should be a last resort. But you will not save anyone by banning abortion.
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@cass-bd5jr Well the first reason doean't have anything to do with abortion. Even if I was against abortion, I still would be pro-choice. Because I'm not opposed to death with dignity or assisted suicide. Secondly, I don't measure life by sentience. I measure morality by sentience. The brainstem finishes devloping between 12 and 15 weeks, which is when sentience is achieved. A majority of abortions take place before this, usally between the 8th and 12th week. Thirdly, you and I agree here. But personally, I do not believe life (human or otherwise) has inherent value. You're not special just because your born. Fouth, again we agree. But although this number including rape and incest are rare, they occur. If you are pro-life however, you are against abortions even in this case. I am pro-choice because I am for autonomy, both in life and in death. On abortion specifically, I believe it should be a last resort. However, I think the life the child will have needs to be considered. A physically, emotionally or financially unstable mother will mot provide a functional life for her child. And this can sometimes have devastating consequences.
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He is obnoxious and rude and deserves to be called out.
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@MR-O.O I don't hate him. He's just uneducated
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@cami4657 Yes. She is agnostic. The reason he was wrong is because he said she WASN'T an atheist. Which she is.
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10 LMS Mm-hm.
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Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer.
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Go back to the bronze age.
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That isn't abortion. That's infanticide.
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@karlbjerke133 I don't think either have moral value because I don't think inherent value exists.
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No, that would be unconstitutional. There are plenty of people (the majority of the population in fact) that have a psychological disorder. Doesn't make then violent or mean they can't own guns.
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However, not everyone who sells at shows are licensed dealers.
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@AlexAlex-fv2wk Thats not true at all. No federal law prevents private sellers from selling at shows. Thats up to the states. And no actually. There is no federal registry and most states do not register guns either. You seem very uninformed about gun laws.
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@immortalityovereverything As a medical student, I can tell you that not only are you not a carnivore (because you wouldn't survive), but that is not how medical school, nor residency, is taught. And your immune system is mainly rooted in genetics.
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No, he spouted nonsense beliefs as fact
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So loving more than one person makes me narcissistic amd insecure? Sounds like projection.
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You could argue that humans are at the top of thr food chain. But you would be factually wrong. We are not. "Vegan diets are super lacking..." No. Let me stop you there. If you are lacking in nutrients on a vegan diet, you are doing something wrong. You can get B12 in fortified milks. Omega-3s can be found in Chia seeds, hemp and kidney beans. No vegan I know takes pills, and you certainly don't have to unless you cannot get or afford these items.
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@antobutera If you live in a country that doesn't allow that then yes. This is why I'm not a vegan for moral reasons
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@Humanity Galatica Nothing more than the laws of the country I happen to currently inhabit.
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@Humanity Galatica Never said it was. Inherent right or wrong does not exist to me.
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@pauloalex4899 As if you can't get pregnant using contraceptives.
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Except no. Thats not how that works. She has a right to terminate a pregnancy at any point for any reason within legal parameters. Whether or not you think that is immoral is your opinion. Which doesn't matter.
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@-Benja Except its not murder.
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John Carter Citation needed that a parasitic group of cells is a human being.
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Humans don't need meat like other animals. We eat it because of pallet pleasure.
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Animals are sentient beings capable of emotions. Plants are not.
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Regardless of how often in happens, it still happens. And the fact that you're okay with that is psychopathic. You would be devastated if your loved one was falsely accused and killed. There is no benefit to the death penalty. It doesn't do anything beneficial to society. It's too expensive, its not a deterrent, and it doesn't lower violent crime rate.
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@Sieghart. If you are okay with innocent people suffering death, you are a psychopath and need to be locked up yourself. That is sometimes true. But not in all cases. That's why we have different levels of prisons and jails.
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@commondognut No. Because the sale was through a private individual, and there are no restrictions on private sales in my state.
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@commondognut No problem. Every place is different.
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Let's just pretend that its that simple and easy.
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@alexandrab5904 It is for some. Its not for others. Should probably get that black and white way of thinking tuned a little.
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@alexandrab5904 Abortion isn't murder
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@alexandrab5904 I don't live in Iceland so I really don't care
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Why can you not be committed to multiple people? Thats ridiculous.
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Atheism only has to do with a belief in a God. While I personally don't, I know many atheists who believe the supernatural such as ghosts. They're still atheists.
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@Juzzzer Thats what agnostic atheist means. There are gnostic atheists, or anti-theists as well. These are people who say that there is no God.
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@HarrisonTheGrey Against its will? You can't make that argument because the fetus has no will at the time of most abortions. And last I looked, murder was a legal term that required an unlawful killing. So no, apparently it is hard logic for you to understand, because you continue to spout the same nonsense.
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Thats called a no true scotsman fallacy. If you do take the Bible completely seriously, you're a monster. Quit pretending being religious puts you on a moral hugh ground, when your book condones rape, murder, and slavery.
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Thats not the point. Plants aren't sentient.
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@AMELIA-nq2pw In my opinion yes. Since when do we care about life? You eat animals, pay taxes to the military, pay taxes to put people to death etc. Human beings have, in general, cared about life when a being is capable of feeling and thinking subjectively.
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Most pro-choicers would agree that after a certain period of time, abortion should no longer be an option. The difference is sentience. It is not irresponsible to abort after all other options have been considered and ruled out. Life also doesn't bend to your opinion.
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Mostly because the religious try to use their God to dictate how I can live my life. And that's annoying.
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@donhaddix3770 Again. Voting against conservativism doesn't make you atheistic.
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@donhaddix3770 No it doesn't. You can be liberal and be Christian. All a Christian is is a person who believes in the story of Jesus Christ and that the God of the Bible is the most high God. Thats it.
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@donhaddix3770 Sorry, but thats the definition. You can twist that into any fallacy you want.
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@criticclips1560 No. Our government is secular. Though I certainly believe it could be improved.
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@criticclips1560 Religion doesn't dictate the government. Its secular. Religion can certainly influence decisions though and that should be kept far away from politics.
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@criticclips1560 I don't. And no, I don't really like things the government does. But I understand why we need a government from a pragmatic point of view. I don't need a God in any sense.
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@criticclips1560 Ummm no. Pragmatic means dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations. The idea of God is supernatural. It cannot be pragmatic.
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@criticclips1560 No. God is certainly not the only conclusion. You haven't ruled out natural forces. You haven't ruled out the universe always existing. But lets play a game. Lets say that you're right. That there was/is a God. It could have destroyed itself in making the universe, and atheism would still be correct. But lets say I'm wrong. How have you concluded that YOUR God is correct? Out of the thousands worshipped?
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@criticclips1560 The Big Bang has nothing to do with the creation of the universe. The Big Bang explains the expansion of the universe. Your own Bible disagrees with that. It even acknowledges other Gods. Thats why the first commandment is "Thou shall have no other Gods before me". You still haven't proven your God.
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@criticclips1560 No. It shows how the universe began to expand. That in no way suggests a universe hasn't always been here. Justice exists only amongst those with cognition. Its a term humans made.
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Yeah? All organic life is clusters of cells.
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Not necessarily. Not all people are like you. My sister was murdered at 10 and I have lifelong disabilities because of it. I still advocated against the death penalty.
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You aren't dehumanizing it by calling it what it is. Its a human fetus.
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You do realize that medicine recognizes non-binary as legitimate right?
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@panmanafro I am using the established definition of agnostic. Not what I believe agnosticism is.
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@panmanafro Agnostic even on it's own just means "without knowledge"
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@panmanafro Belief and knowledge are two different things
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@panmanafro No that's just common sense and the ability to comprehend definitions
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@panmanafro No, you just have a lack of understanding of the difference between knowledge and belief.
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@panmanafro I already defended my point. Agnostic is a stance of Knowledge. Atheism is a stance of belief
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@panmanafro To claim neither faith nor disbelief is a paradox. You either believe or you dont. This is why agnostic should apply to everyone. If you believe in a deity, you're an agnostic theist. If you don't you're an agnostic atheist.
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Adoption does not guarantee a good life, nor does Pro-life only refer to abortion. Adoption isn't free, and pro-life also takes away the right to die.
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Yes you can. Find a private seller in one of the 38 states that put no restrictions on private sales. Its more of a red herring than a myth.
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@ellensugden5609 Yeah, by placing a ban on them. Yet people still get them. There is no consise definition to a mass shooting. We do not have the problems you think we do. By the way, you are much more likely to survive and recover a shooting than a stabbing.
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@ellensugden5609 No, I'm just educated. And wow. Look at you dissing education. Like its a bad thing to teach children how to handle themselves. Yeah you did, yet you still saw a spike in your homicide rate. London's murders were triple that of NYC. You know what stops mass shootings? Good people with guns. And you never had the right to own a gun like the US does. I feel much safer in the US then I would ever feel in the UK. You claim we have a gun problem, and yet our homicide rate is still on the decline.
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That sounds wonderful. The problem is you CAN'T take guns off the street. Why sould only police carry firearms? They can break the law too.
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Not always an option, not always available, and doesn't guarentee a happy life.
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@KebenaranBukanMilikAndaAtaupunSaya Again, thats not the moral argument
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@KebenaranBukanMilikAndaAtaupunSaya You completely misunderstand the entire point.
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You cannot legally own a handgun in the UK. The've been banned over 20 years. That's why your homicide rate is worse than ours. Unless you live in an isolated country, I don't know how you feel safe. Mass shootings wouldnt happen if gun restrictions weren't in place and people were allowed to carry.
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Which is hilarious since the Bible is not pro-life.
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Its normal to feel emotions for your fellow humans. That's what makes people empaths. If that's the rule, anyone who has ever seen combat in the military should die. Anyone who has ever pulled the plug on a comatose patient should die. Anyone who has ever performed a slow code should die.
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There is. Conceal carry and handgun licenses are 2 examples
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@daizy8429 It can be. You should really only buy a gun if you know how to use one. But some people dont feel that way.
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@hettinga359 That is a flat out lie. There is no study, other than from religious and severely pro-life groups, that has ever concluded that women who have abortions are more likely to suffer from depression. In fact, the women who suffer from depression are usually those forced to give birth when they are unfit. Abortion is unnatural? Do you know what another medical term for a miscarriage is? A self-abortion. You know what can also have side effects no one talks about? Pregnancy.
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Being vegan is better for the environment than eating meat, so your point there is wrong. Fortunately, this group is not the majority. People like me are vegan, but I think you should eat whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
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@fakyu9346 Its just better for the environment. You don't need meat, but its not my place to tell you what to eat.
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Follow the Bible, and you'll be well on your way to death row.
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No, they were irritating because there is no evidence behind them. Confirmation bias is annoying. You aren't even open to the possibility that you MIGHT be wrong. You're not standing strong for God, becauae you have yet to prove one exists. You're standing strong for your beliefs and a 2000 year old book that thinks slavery, rape and murder is awesome.
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@zoiumalcornagi3104 Technically yes, because Buddhism doesn't have a God. But I don't know if you believe in one.
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@user-bs2vb2sr5w That's not correct though.
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You don't have to be monogamous for them. I'm poly and married with 2 children who are amazing and loving. Its about not being a shitty parent.
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How the hell did she want pity? You're the one who goes and cries to a sky daddy when you're too weak to handle your problems.
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And I can vehemently say that it NOT TRUE in all cases, as someone who has NEVER had a background check when buying a firearm at a show because private sales are a thing.
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@lovedivakissdiva Sure. Indiana.
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Why? Aggressive sure. But why toxic?
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@aileenprestan1823 Ahh okay. Yes, overly aggressive.
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There are no restrictions on private sales in most states. Stop saying the loophole doesn't exist. You're wrong.
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@Linkz03 35 of the 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. There's your loophole. I can walk up to someone in my state, show a state ID, and legally purchase a firearm without a background check. In fact, I've done that. California is a terrible example, as it has the strictest gun laws in the country.
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No its not, because the body naturally wants sex for more than reproduction. Some people, like me, don't have that sexual drive. Abstinence is easy for us. But for many others, its not like that.
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@MiaAshley93 Getting married doesn't just make you more responsible and one shouldn't have to do something unhealthy to please the masses.
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So the person who doesn't believe in an all-knowing deity in the sky who judges you constantly and will damn you for eternity if you do not bend to his arbitrary rules is the crazy one?
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@peachescampbell721 So, I didn't misunderstand you at all. You think she's crazy because she doesn't believe in a God. That was exactly what I thought. The joke was you think atheists are crazy when really its YOU who's the brick wall. Know why? Because I, as an atheist, am OPEN to the idea that a God may exist. YOU, however, don't even consider the fact that you MIGHT be wrong.
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@seoksville4774 God, in your view, made man. So no. God did make slavery. And if he is omniscient (i.e. all powerful) then he had the ability to stop people from taking slaves. But instead, he told people how to beat them and how it waa their right to own them. I'm sorry, but your mental gymnastics don't work.
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@seoksville4774 So he's not all-knowing then. I love when people deliberately make their God weak. Either he can't stop it or he won't. Neither of these are good options. He's the villain in this. And the fact that you try to justify it is, to me, frankly laughable. This is what people mean when they say that reading the Bible makes them an atheist.
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@seoksville4774 If he is all knowing, then free will does not exist. You cannot have it both ways. But this point is moot, as I do not believe in God.
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I highly doubt you're very experienced in life. Wanting to get rid of a useless system, and focus on helping fellow man is progress, not regression. The people who cannot and do not want to change can sit in a cell with no freedom for the rest of their days.
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Elise B Citation needed.
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The can't tell you how they feel because they lack a brainstem to comprehend thought. Abortion will never be illegal.
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Because you don't in most states. Depends on who you're buying it from.
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There are plenty of us who aren't assholes.
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Because thats 100% effective, right?
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@adamv.9749 That number proves you didn't do any research. Just because thats what's printed on the box, doesn't mean thats accurate. In fact, studies have found that condoms prevent pregnancy between 85% and 90%. Now, I'll back that up by saying its still something worth using. However, regardless of whether a condom is used or not doesn't change someone's rights.
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@Rat Race That does sound ridiculous. Because its nonsensical. I can see and test myself. I have evidence of my existence. I understand that God doesn't need to be observable. But that is actually false. You can observe electricity and oxygen, through testing. Perhaps one day we will be able to do this with God. And when that time comes, I'll believe. Nah, he's never been observable. Because he wouldn't be supernatural if he was. I don't believe in creation. Because again, you haven't excluded all the other non-supernautral ideas for the origin of life. Creation does not equal existence. If that were the case, then your God must have a creator. Look at the trees is a fallacy.
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IssyFishyy Not true. You're trying to use laws of our natural world outside the context that we currently know it. You may be right in the creation theory. But you also may be wrong. My point is that if existence MUST equal creation, the for God to exist, he also MUST have a creator. Otherwise one could simply say "well, since God exists without having been created, so does this." That's circular reasoning. Existence does not equate creation. The entire science of quantum physics shows this.
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IssyFishyy No, that actually isn't true. Again, you are using existence and creation interchangeably, which is a claim you have yet to prove. Our existence is proof of evoultion. Its the origin of life in question. I wasn't saying it disproves God. I have argued with you more than once that you COULD be right. The problem lies in the fact that you claim to KNOW you're right, which is false. Quantum physics can actually show how, if the Universe had a beginning, it could be accomplished without a God.
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@travisjohnson7065 The problem being is you can't prove abortion is objectively wrong. In fact, you can't show that killing in any capacity is wrong. You can only apply that to whatever subjective moral framework you have.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg Its also true. Sorry, but objective morality doesn't exist. We just expect as humans to have an empathetic view of the collective, as well as the self.
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@travisjohnson7065 No, morality just is subjective. I would say its subjective if someone harmed me. I would only say its objective based on my moral framework. I would want justice on the grounds that my right was violated, which is objective. Not the grounds that what they did to me is wrong. You could come steal everything I own, and maybe to you, that wouldn't be wrong. But because my subjective moral framework is different, I would absolutely have the right to complain. Because you objectively violated my subjective morality. You don't seem to understand that objectivity can work inside subjectivity.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg Because absolute right and wrong don't exist. I am well aware humans are social creatures. That is why I'm a secular humanist. I don't harm others because I don't want that harm done to me. That is my subjective moral framework. Actions done then become objective based on that moral framework. The framework itself, however, is still subjective.
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@travisjohnson7065 Rights are only objective to the context of the government in power. They are not absolutely objective. As stated, moral actions can be objective to a subjective moral framework. The only ones that care will be the ones who share that same subjective morality. Someone with a different subjective morality is not going to care. It does have foundation. The foundation is it objectively violates my subjective morality. It doesn't have to be objective to have meaning. I don't believe in an afterlife. That doesn't mean life suddenly stops having meaning to me. I care. Anyone who shares my worldview cares. People are held accountable because most people share the same moral framework. We think murder is wrong because it violates someone's right to life and because we do not want to be murdered. But that is not a belief held by everyone, nor is there anyway to show that murder is objectively wrong. The very definition of objective means without emotion input. So what in the natural world tells you murder is wrong? How can you defend against the act of murder without bringing in emotions? You can't. It's not arbitrary, any more than your God's so called rules. A moral framework has an established set of these rules. Violations to them are objective. The framework itself is subjective. Sorry that we have differing opinions on morality, but it's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.
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@davidhernandez-sr9hg If you're referring to pro-life or pro-choice, I side with pro-choice.
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If you can't trust doctors, then you'll always be a victim. If the vaccine hurt you, you need to push for medicine to move forward and for others to get vaccinated. It protects you.
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So did that cow you had for dinner. Whats your point?
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@parthenon5106 Why? We're animals as well. We're both sentient. Its your subjective opinion that humans are worth more.
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ScorpionZam We don't have a problem with the religious as long as you don't shove it down our throats and bring it up every 5 seconds.
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IssyFishyy Barely anything in the Bible is historical. Its a religious text, not a history book. Genocide and slavery are never justified.
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IssyFishyy Ummm no. Because none of that is historical. Its one interpretation of what may have happened. No one deserves to die, not even for beastiality. And many people who were killed were just non-believers or of a different belief. When that food and security comes with not being able to leave, or work for yourself or beatings, it is not justified. I seriously do not care what you believe in, but to justify slavery and genocide is vile. I am honestly sad that someone indoctrinated you so hard, and I truly hope that you do not actually take the Bible literally
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IssyFishyy It doesn't have to be lying. They recorded what they believed. That doesn't make it true. I support a woman's right to her uterus and a dying person's right to die. One is not sentient, the other wants to. That is not comparable to genocide of people who's mere crime was "sin". There were MANY beatings in past times. The Bible actually tells you how much you can beat your slave. It gives you instructions on how to "discipline" them. Owning another human being is wrong, regardless of who it is.
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There are not 2 sexes. Sex is bimodal. Not binary.
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Kaylee Foyer If you're telling me you're waiting until you're over 3 months before finding out you're pregnant, that's amazing. The fetus' heart doesn't beat separately from the mother until between 12-13 weeks.
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@joshnarron5624 I never said there was a way to regulate that, nor do I think it needs to be regulated.
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@s1thl0rd87 True. But that is the minority.
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Arthur Morgan I never said most gun sales are done privately. They aren't. I said most sales where I live in particular are done privately. And no. You do not have to have a background check unless you are buying from a dealer, or if your state regulates private sales. That doesn't mean they won't give you one, but it is not mandatory.
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@Pete230 Background checks are mandatory only for dealers at the federal level. Everything else is up to the states.
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@justme23lol I live in Indiana. And what I meant was that most guns sold at shows are done privately and not by dealers.
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@makoosh3448 No, it entirely depends on where you live. Because 75% of the country puts no restrictions on private sales. You do not need a background check to legally buy a gun in my state if the sale is private.
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@bravo1593 No there hasn't. There is no federal law mandating a background check on a private sale. Private sales are a states issue. You are sorely uneducated.
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@gingerboi8773 Nope, not at all
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@updatedotexe Being anti gun does nothing to protect people, so why would I be anti gun?
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@Haku Yuki I'm aware
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Congratulations. You have everyone else being vaccinated around you to thank.
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@megangilliam6131 Are you only referring to the flu vaccine, or vaccines in general? A lot of people who get the flu shot get the flu because it mutates easily. Your original comment sounded like you were unvaccinated for anything. The message has nothing to do with the flu vaccine. Its to do with people being against the childhood vaccines.
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@megangilliam6131 The flu is a disease that often mutates and poses no risk to any healthy individual. The elderly, very young, or immune compromised are the only ones who could suffer severe harm from the flu. No, not all vaccines are probably necessary, but the push for anti vaccines are against ALL vaccines. That's problematic.
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@mm_A Thats because chicken pox can open a child up to things like encephalitis and pneumonia. A woman I know is currently serving a 20 year prison sentence for manslaughter because her daughter got chicken pox and refused to vaccinate her, in which she ultimately died of secondary pneumonia.
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@mm_A As far as I know, there was no article online as this was a state issue that happened before the internet was publicly available. Also, manslaughter is not a "newsworthy" topic, as it simply means accidental death as opposed to something like murder. Manslaughter is usually a state crime as opposed to a federal one. But I can see what I can find.
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And how will that help her? Then you'll be imprisoned and won't be able to protect her the next time...
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You're wrong. Boom, there. I said it. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@ethanm.2411 And you're wrong, because words have established definitions. Get back to me when its been made illegal. Then I will agree its murder
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Uhh no. She didn't
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@mikylaalvidrez3856 That is not what she said. She said we provide ourself with worth and value, but we are not inherently valuable. No, I just point out people's blantent misrepresentation because someone doesn't agree with them.
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@mikylaalvidrez3856 I did not misrepresent your comment. I pointed out why I think your comment is wrong. You can, perhaps, make the argument she was hesitant. That is just speculation. I do not believe she hesitated at all. She does think she is valuable, and never did she deny that. She never said it didn't matter. What she said was she did not have INHERENT value. Do you understand what the word inherent means? She does see value. And she does value herself. That is not inherent. You are not valuable just because you are born or exist. You giver yourself value, as do the people around you. We help each other because we are social creatures, not because we place "value" on each other. The value of a person is different depending on who you ask. You can certainly have the belief we are inherently valuable, but that is an opinion. Never once did I lie. You perhaps have a differing opinion than I do. That doesn't mean either of us is right to wrong. By the way, plenty of human beings find no value in others.
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@mikylaalvidrez3856 And that is your opinion. Mine persoanlly differs. "We are created"- If you're refering to a God, then that is claim you still need to prove. I have no sin. Because I have no religion. I left your God for a reason.
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@mikylaalvidrez3856 Just because I believed in God at one time doesn't mean I have sin. Sin only applies to the religious. I do not believe in sin. You haven't proven we were created, let alone Jesus is our "creator". I lack a belief in a God. I don' think you should believe the same as me.
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Probably something along the lines of "Huh you actually exist. Cool"
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Why would you take a business card from a person who a) doesn't share your belief system and b) was a total ass to you?
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@travisjohnson7065 You do know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion...right?
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@dallasisbetter3241 Nope, my husband is perfectly happy in the relationship as am I. I would raise my son or daughter to be in whatever relationship he was comfortable with. Whether that be in a monogamous or polyamorous relationship. I've seen both work and I've seen both fail. Its not about raising them to believe a certain way. Its about showing them that there is more than one way to be in a happy and healthy relationship. Humans are smart if you don't stack the deck against them. Sorry, but you're completely ignorant on the subject.
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@azraeleditz4273 It also doesn't guarantee it will find happiness. And statistically, a child who is abused and neglected is much less likely to find happiness than a child that isn't
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@azraeleditz4273 I do have that right. Whether or not you agree is irrelevant.
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@azraeleditz4273 There is no such thing as basic human rights. You have no inherent rights. You only have rights because a government says you do. Regardless of if its permanent or not, it is a part of me. A parasite on me until it gains sentience. So it is my choice what is done with it. Morality is subjective. I think its immoral to force an unfit mother to give birth to a child she may abuse and neglect. Unlike you, I care more that a child has a quality of life than that it's just born.
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@azraeleditz4273 Its not about inconvenience. It's about understanding that you are physically and mentally incapable of giving a child the life it needs. I'm all for abortion being a last resort. I find you, someone who is perfectly content to watch a child suffer at the hands of its parents, cold hearted. And so what if its human? Humans are not on some magical pedestal. Many more children who have tough and abusive childhoods grow up to be unsuccessful, mentally unstable, suicidal, and criminals. Sorry, that's just a statistical probability. You a vegan? If not, since when do you care about life?
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No, we're not. Not scientifically at least.
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As an atheist, that makes absolutely no sense. I "attack" the Bible because of the dowright disgusting things it teaches, not because I love "sin". I don't believe in "sin". I also don't believe in an afterlife. The Bible isn't accurate. If read literally, many stories straight up did not occur. Adam and Eve did not exist, Noah's flood did not occur, and the Exodus never happened. The "fulfilled prophecy" is so vague that they could literally be applied to anything. And even the few things the Bible did get right are also listed in the Torah and Qur'an. Religion doesn't provide facts. Facts need to be backed up with evidence. It can however provide comfort and hope. And there's nothing wrong with that. Treat the Bible what it is. A religious holy book. Not a history book.
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@thegreatrestoration6784 oh lets see. How to beat your slaves. How to sell your daughter. How to murder someone who doesn't believe the way you do. Yes. We know they didn't exist. We would all be imbred if we originated from 2 parents. Yes, we know the flood didn't happen. There would be geological evidence for it, and all life would have been wiped out. Most historians agree that the exodus is metaphorical. There is no evidence to support this journey, nor is there any evidence of hebrew slaves in Egypt.
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@andyscott15 Because the dimensions would not abide them. Its basic engineering.
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@georgekenway5444 Its not a fact. Its a belief
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God has never been proven to create: Humans Trees Dogs The weather
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Not in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where.
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Being set in your ways is no excuse to be an ignorant asshole. If you're wrong about something, and you treat someone like crap, expect backlash.
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Yes we are. Facts don't care about your feelings.
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@kenudice9841 Hey guess what? Life's not fair and rarely will people do what's in the best interest of others if it harms themselves.
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@kenudice9841 Abortions are 100% safe when performed correctly. There would be no damage to the uterus. That has been continuously debunked. Whether or not someone has remorse is out of your control.
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@IssyFishyy No it isn't. It lacks the fundamentals of a religion. You can certainly say that so atheists have fanatic beliefs that makes them similar to fundamentalists, but atheism itself is not a religion.
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@IssyFishyy No, its a lack of a belief. Unless, of course, you are talking about philosophical atheism. In which case, yes.
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@wzdavaitsya Which you know damn well is a lie. They aren't aborted because their inconvenient. They're aborted because the mother feels she cannot provide a healthy, stable life for the child.
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@wzdavaitsya I think you and I have very different definitions of inconvenient. Just because you use loose language that is technically correct doesn't make it intelligent.
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You can have justice without the death penalty. Even most victims are against capital punishment, myself included.
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@chriscodling6573 Perhaps in your opinion. I think an eye for an eye makes you just as bad. The fact that you could watch someone die and feel no empathy is psychotic. Time is much harder when you're forced to live it. I was proud to stand against the death penalty against the man who killed my sister.
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@chriscodling6573 No shit. I don't think it's justice to force my pain on another innocent family. They don't deserve to suffer just because their relative hurt me. That's fucking revenge. Your opinion of justice is yours. I'm happy that several states are currently in the process of abolishing the death penalty.
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@chriscodling6573 Justice: just behavior or treatment. The definiton is entirely subjective.
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@chriscodling6573 Who's to decide what someone deserves? I don't believe they deserve death. 20 states don't believe they deserve death. That's why it's subjective. I didn't mess up anywhere. Your mad because I don't believe in the death penalty because it does nothing benefical.
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@chriscodling6573 Then don't sit here and tell me I'm messed up or I don't believe in justice because I have a different opinion than you.
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Yes it does. And it has been proven. Please go to medical school.
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@keeleycooper7296 Yes, honey. It does. How about doing some studying on the subject hmm?
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@keeleycooper7296 And I'm currently in my 2nd year of medical school. Herd immunity does exist, just not in the way most people think it does. No, I read your comment.
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Not always an option.
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@jrjm8582 "I would personally rather live in that system than be killed" You might feel differently if you ever lived in that system. Also no, sometimes the State overlooks things. Thats how children die to unfit parents.
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Because she was defensively rude. He's just an ass. And not a very smart one.
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@jomama2645 So you aren't allowed to defend youraelf from someone who is verbally attacking you huh?
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@jomama2645 Because we was implying something that was untrue to fit his narrative and she did not believe that was an accident. Not saying she wasn't rude. But you shouldn't have to be polite or respectful to someone who isn't respectful to you.
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@jomama2645 I don't believe intentionally disingenuous is being respectful, and I honestly believe thats what he was doing. I don't have double standards. They were all rude. I just think one is more justified than the other.
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No, its terminating the devlopment of an (often) non-sentient fetus. Sentience should be what matters. Not life.
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@Henry14141 So what? Who cares that its a human fetus? Yes. They have the potential to grow into a person. So?
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@bosnia7429 Yes it is. So was that hamburger you ate. Why does life matter?
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@bosnia7429 Once again you are comparing a non-sentient fetus to sentient humans. Meat does not have to be food. We eat it because we like it. Abortion is not murder.
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The death penalty doesnt strike fear and is not an effective deterrent. This has already been proven
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Protein is protein no matter the source. Meat just usually contains more and is more easily absorbed and utilized by the body, which is why we need to complement.
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No one is pro-abortion. Being pro choice comes with all the same options as pro-life. It just allows for an abortion if the woman thinks thats the best decision.
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Jesse Collins Except adoption agencies turn children away and are broken as hell. Some people can't use birth control. Your not killing a kid. Your killing a fetus not yet capable of anything because you cannot take care of it.
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The death penalty does nothing productive or beneficial to society that life in prison doesn't do.
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Nope. Murder is a legal term that abortion does not fit the definition of.
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@bdgdbdgd Murder: the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. Fetuses are neither legally human (even though they are biologically) nor is abortion unlawful. So no, its not murder. Quit being dishonest.
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@woobeewooo To show that by definition, abortion cannot be murder, because murder is a legal term. Morality is, and always will be, subjective.
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@woobeewooo No its not. I'm speaking only from where this is filmed and where this discussion is held. Which is in the US.
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But...God does say that. In the Bible. Her father is right.
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@mochiarmy3418 Yes it does. A woman is only allowed, biblically, to leave her husband if a) the husband abandons the family unit or b) if the husband is unfaithful. Wives are to submit to their husbands. The Bible even tells you how to discipline your wife. Oh by the way, if she divorces and then gets remarried? That's adultery. Punished by death. So yes, according to the Bible, she would indeed be going to hell.
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@mochiarmy3418 I don't know. Read your Bible. We, as women, are property. We are second class to men. If we are being "abused", its because we deserve it. That's what the Bible teaches. Really reading the Bible and questioning everything is what makes man people atheists.
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@mochiarmy3418 I don't believe remarriage is adultery. But the Bible sure does. I don't believe in God, so I can attest to one being all loving. However, if the Bible is accurate, he is certainly not all loving. We are not equal. We are property. First to our fathers and then to our husbands. Matthew 5:32 speaks about marrying a divorced woman being adultery. "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." Gensis 3:16 stating that a man rules over a woman. "To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.” Ephesians 5:22 ordering us to submit to our husbands. "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior." There are more if you look. These are supposedly the unchanging words of God. Its up to you whether or not you believe that.
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@mochiarmy3418 Perhaps one does. I'm not a believer, so I cannot speak to that. I would like to point out that the Bible does not have to be an authority on God. No holy book does. It simply could have been a book for the time in which it was written. But IF a God exists and IF it is the God portrayed in the Bible, he is a monster in my opinion.
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@mochiarmy3418 I'm not trying to change your mind. I may be an atheist, but I think you should follow what makes you happy. If that's a God, then so be it.
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@mochiarmy3418 I simply posted two links to articles about how the Bible is used to condone spousal abuse. Youtube or Google Biblical Gender Roles if you want to learn more.
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Kate Haha You can lose a lot actually. How do you know God is good? You can't ascribe characteristics to a being you can't prove exists. What happens if you're worshipping the wrong God? Then your supposedly just as damned as the atheists. I don't think I have anything to lose by being an atheist.
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No the issue stems more on where the value of people is placed. Life or sentience.
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@paulinemartens9900 What does that mean? The argument about abortion should not be whether its human. That's not up for debate. It is. Its whether you find value in life or in sentience that determines whether your pro life of choice.
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@paulinemartens9900 You and I are on the same side.
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It was a mutated strain of measles no one was immune to.
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@shayshay2068 You can't have herd immunity from a virus that you have never been exposed to. Did you not read the "mutated" part?
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Kinda depends on where you live.
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@Foos3yOW So supporting the equal rights of everyone makes 0 sense?
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No, she's still an atheist. She's just also agnostic, as everyone should be. Actually, thats a flat out lie. Most atheists left the religion because they were trying to confirm God's existence, and when they stepped out of confirmation bias, God did not hold up.
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@jayaseto Since the dictionary sides with me, I don't understand how that's relevant. Atheism: A lack of a belief in a God or Gods. Where in that definition does it say the word "supernatural"? Agnostic: The knowledge that God's existence cannot be known. So yes. You can be both. I am both. I don't know whether a not a God exists (agnostic) but I don't believe in one (atheist). Get the picture? You attributed 3 guests here to ALL atheists. I was simply pointing out thats wrong. Negative things happening don't usually confirm with an atheist that a God doesn't exist. It mearly confirms that an ALL LOVING God doesn't exist.
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@jayaseto Yes it is different, but that doesn't mean the two terms are mutually exclusive. You can, and often are, both. "Supernatural" can refer to anything that hasn't been proven by science. Many atheists I know believe in an afterlife and even believe in ghosts. They're still atheist, as they don't believe in God. Personally, I was miserable as a Christian. I don't wish to ever be a part of that lifestyle again. If you find joy in being Christian, then you do you. But I have a disdain for you religion when it tries to interfere with laws.
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Unless private vendors are there
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We have hundreds of years of recorded history without vaccines where people were lucky to live until 50.
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No one is killing a baby
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Some people no longer even have canines. Only one pair are canines. Just because we evolved eating meat does not mean we must. A snake has a nutritional need to eat meat. A human does not.
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@stormoday5263 Iron can be gotten in a vegan diet easily. Yes, if I had to eat meat, I would. No, a lion has a need to eat meat. And I'm not actually a vegan who cares what people eat.
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Because you can. Probably not 20. But you can certainly buy guns at a gunshow in a majority of states without a background check.
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@taylorcompton7688 No, not all gunshow vendors are FFL dealers. Depends on where you live. Private sellers sell at shows all the time, at least where I live.
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@taylorcompton7688 That isn't true. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never once has a background check on a purchase of a firearm. My point was that private sales also occur at gun shows. I'm entirely pro-gun. But I hate the spread of misinformation that can easily be debunked. And actually, most "gun crimes" committed are done with firearms that were originally legally obtained.
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@taylorcompton7688 I live in Indiana. One of the most lax gun states. 38 states do not put restrictions on private sales. The only background check I had was when I got my CCL.
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@taylorcompton7688 I got my CCL AFTER purchasing my firearms. I was able to purchase firearms without a background check because they were private sales.
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No, its because people still literally believe all abortions involve tearing a fetus limb from limb.
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@grilledcheese2100 "You are doing the same if you commit aborting" Since when is abortion illegal? Since when is it murder? No one is pushing their opinions on you. You have your opinion, they disagree and are telling you why. The purpose of debate is to sway a neutral position and to provide agruments to everyone's points.
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@grilledcheese2100 You implied that abortion is murder, which is what makes it immoral. Euthanasia, Capital punishment, self defense, slow codes and DNR's also take human lives. Are you against all of that? I find that difficult to believe. The commenter said that because you implied something about abortion that isn't true, coming across as you were trying to convince them it was.
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@grilledcheese2100 I wasn't referring to murder. I was referring to your comment in saying abortion is wrong because it takes a human life, which you are correct about. I'm trying to clarify why you think abortion is wrong. Is it wrong because you believe it is murder, or is it wrong because it takes human life? Euthanasia is considered murder because it is illegal in most places. Does that mean its wrong? If a person has a right to live, should they not also have the right to die? If you are okay with euthanasia, why are you against abortion? This isn't about these scenarios being murder. Its about trying to establish why you disagree with abortion.
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@grilledcheese2100 Your first comment tried to argue that an intrinsic sense of "morality" should tell us abortion is wrong, without providing evidence that we have intrinsic morality. The fact is, morality will always be subjective.
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@grilledcheese2100 True. Thats fine by me. But if your argument happens to come from Christianity, the Bible is by no means against abortion. And even if there is a higher power, morality would still be subjective. You can however have objective morality in a subjective moral framework
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Having an abortion is not evil. Forcing an opinion on someone else is evil.
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@parthenon5106 No one has to force their opinions on anyone. See where the other is coming from, agree to disagree, and move on.
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@freyahatton8914 You can't be just agnostic. Its not a stand alone claim. Do you believe in a God?
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@freyahatton8914 Then you are an agnostic theist.
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I trust myself completely. I just love more than one person. I don't like monogamous relationships. They feel controlling to me. What's wrong with that?
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Why, because he doesnt believe in a useless system?
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You mean how a mother is given a pill and then a D&C is performed like how a miscarriage would be? Since that is how most abortions are performed?
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There has never been a link between vaccines and disease, let alone vaccines and autism. Autism is a disease you're born with. Oh by the way, no amount of food you eat will prevent you from getting these infections or the consequences that comes with it.
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You're the kind of people we don't want working in the justice system. A majority of murderers can and do change. And they can be rehabilitated. When you focus on getting them the help they need, the recidivism dramatically decreases.
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M And I'll say that you haven't read the Bible, because this law applied to all people. And if we're speaking on abortion, why would you be pro-life? Neither God nor your Bible is pro-life.
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@ethanm.2411 The NT in Mark begs to differ. Supposedly the words of Jesus himself even states that the NT does not free you from the OT. God actively commands and commits abortion in the Bible on the Israelites, Samarians and the Babylonians.
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@ethanm.2411 Mark 5:17. As for abortion: A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25). • The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31). • God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53). • Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12). • King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16). • Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18). • For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8). • God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16). • For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16). • Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).
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XKEREITSUS If that's what a real Christian looks like, then fuck Christanity.
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topgun213 I know many women who ultimately felt that they did the right thing to abort at that time. One of those women picked herself back up and now has 3 wonderful children. Yes, she still misses the fetus she aborted, but has no psychological issues from it. An anecdote is not a fact and does not apply to everyone
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topgun213 Lol, which is not a fact. A fetus isn't a baby for staters, and abortion isn't murder. So there goes your argument. I'm sorry that you can't grasp the reasons why a woman would choose to have an abortion. You should never argue from morality. Morality is subjective. The fetus doesn't care if you abort it. You're right. The government also uses my tax dollars to fun executions, which I don't agree with. That's just something that happens. Abortion is not murder. It is not your place to decide who gets life, especially when you work with kids who do not want life and who wish they had been aborted.
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topgun213 Morality is subjective. There is no such thing as objective morality because by definition, objective morality is universal. There is no natural law that morality follows. You will always find people that take no issue with murder or rape. There is no inherent good or inherent evil. Only what you perceive as good and evil. I'm not judgemental. You are welcome to your opinions. I just disagree with them. Morality is anecdotal on all levels. The realitve morality of abortion in the US is that it's moral, because it is legal. I can only tell you what is right and wrong based on my beliefs and principals and based on the law. I never said a fetus isn't alive. It is. But it is not sentient at the time of most abortions. It does not care if you abort it until a certain period. Apparently you don't grasp it, because you think it's because it's inconvient. If the woman thought that her fetus was inconvient, then it wouldn't be such a hard decision. I don't know a single woman who has had an abortion that didn't want to keep her fetus. But she knew it would have no quality of life. That's what ultimately should matter.
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topgun213 I can tell you exactly what kind of argument I would have made. That in my subjective moral opinion, a sentient human being should be beholden to no one but themselves. Culture may influence what a certain group sees as right and wrong, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I don't agree with a lot of things that my "culture" says is wrong. Slavery is not objectively wrong, because not everyone agrees that slavery is wrong. Objective means universal. Meaning everyone. What natural law tells us that slavery is wrong? None. Only your own moral code that you have formed tells you it's wrong. Yes, you are sentient when you sleep. Coma depends on how badly the brain is damaged. No, fetuses are sentient when they develop a brainstem. That's not an opinion. That's just a fact. Whether or not you believe it is right to kill a fetus before this point in time is your own subjective moral compass. Once again. You lack the understanding of the word murder. Abortion is not murder. Get over it. I personally wouldn't care. I was a failed abortion. I hold no resentment towards my mother. There are still times I wish I had been aborted. But I wasn't, so I continue living my life and letting others live theirs. It is not your place to dictate someone's choice in my subjective opinion.
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I'm in a polyamorous relationship and have 2 wonderful children. Your argument is invalid.
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Any private sale in 38 of 50 states.
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Then go ahead and try. Because while science is neutral on moral issues, I could use science to explain pro-choice.
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Not if the sale is private.
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Because we have a court of law for that and it is illegal to sign a false contract.
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Shawn Taylor That would make you a hypocrite. You're either pro-life in all cases, or you aren't pro-life. I think it's morally bankrupt to force a child to be born in a knowingly unhealthy and unstable situation, because it will be neglected and abused.
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Shawn Taylor I understand that, however, that does not fit the definiton of "pro-life" which is someone who thinks abortion an euthanasia should exist period. I think having an abortion regardless of how it came into being is a responsible choice. You people prance around spouting about only getting an abortion because of convience, but it's not about that at all. The adoption system is fundamentally broken. Hell, adoption agencies have been turning children away in the last few years because they are overcrowded and underfunded. There's no guarantee that child will ever be adopted out. I think adoption should be explored, but with the way the system is right now, I support the right to abort
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Let me know how that goes when you get polio, mumps, measles, rubella or encephalitis.
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I wouldn't say that's true. I'm a former vegan, but I had to stop because of a medical condition I developed. I physically have to eat meat now.
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Having guns in public places by people who know how to use them is exactly what we need to stop mass shooters. I'm proud to be attending a school where I can carry my gun.
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No. No I'm not.
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Abortion is not murder. That is not an opinion. That is a fact. The fetus may never grow up at all. Stop pretending like you can predict the future. Sure, they could still grow up to be wonderful people. But that is statistically not reality. Giving a child up for adoption doesn't guarantee anything. That child may never be adopted. What do you think happens then? No one should have to bend to the whims of others. Period.
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@emmaclairewynn But what if it doesn't? You make the same argument I do, just flipped around. That could also be ending the next Ted Bundy. "The at least they weren't killed" Do you honestly think death is worse than being thrown out on the streets with nothing? Because I know a majority of people who would disagree with you. You dont have a right to anything. Your rights only apply because a government says they do. You are not entitled. Also no. It's not a fact. You apparently dont know what the definition of murder is.
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Adoption is incredibly broken. I would have rather been aborted. Sex isn't just for procreation.
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Your rights stop where someone else's begin and vice versa. This isn't so much a moral issue as it is a legal issue.
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Funny, considering the Bible is very pro-choice.
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IssyFishyy Well well well. Here we have someone who wants to make excuses for why some verses are metaphorical, whereas others are literal, like every other intellectual dishonest religious person. Your God is not against abortion by your own book. And pretty sure I do get to decide what happens with my uterus. You wanna know why I'm an atheist? Because I read and stuided the Bible.
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Some of us are very intelligent.
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@kaptynkavman235 Well, that we agree on. Because these are extremists.
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Your question is called an "argument from emotion fallacy". Whether or not someone deserves something doesn't matter. Thats a matter of opinion. If a law provides no benefit to society, it should be abolished.
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You say that as if they can't escape or do more harm on death row. My sisters murderer sits in prison, and I do just fine. Go back to the dark ages worth your "eye for an eye" mentality.
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In your opinion perhaps. That shouldn't dictate the law.
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@kalvinmensah1135 A useless system that does not benefit society and is not practical should be done away with.
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Everyone should be agnostic. It's redundant. If you don't believe in a God, but don't deny a God could exist, you are an agnostic atheist. Atheism and Theism are stances of belief. Agnosticism and gnosticism are stances of knowledge.
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Because its not necessarily illegal. Depends on if you're buying from a dealer or a private seller. Private sales do not require background checks.
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@joel Plenty of criminals purchase the firearm privately. Most crimes are performed with legal firearms, although perhaps not legal to the person in control of it.
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@jules4631 If you want that source, then look it up. Anything I send you would not be good enough for you. Find a source you think is valid, and read up on it.
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@MB-ux9me No, humans are not the top of the food chain. We are in the middle.
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@MB-ux9me No, we're not. That is not how scientific food chains work.
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Unless you live in a place where abortion is outlawed under law, no it isn't murder. How do you think that body develops? By feeding off the mother. Its attached to her and depends on her. It is her right.
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So its selfish to be happy? Especially at no cost to another person?
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Yep. Wrote a whole paper on her. Doesn't change my views on the death penalty.
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No. That wouldn't be fair my partner. However, a polyamorous person can be in a Y polycule with monogamous people. I would just never make my partner be something he isn't.
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God has never been proven to exist.
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@jaggergiven_8231 Your failed attempt at humor is sad. If your entire argument is based around a belief, as opposed to fact, you have no leg to stand on.
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Gun shows do not mandate that a person must have an FFL to sell. Depending on the state, gun shows can include private sellers. A private seller is anyone who does not possess an FFL. I would take your own advice and educate yourself, as you'll find its quite common is some states for private sellers to sell at shows.
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@tomgolde5175 I completely understand. I live in a state that has ridiculously lax laws about guns.
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@tomgolde5175 Thats the same here. I'm from Indiana, and we never have any gun crime, aside from suicide. We even have a huge drug problem, and more people die of that.
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Your comment is a false pretense. You have the right to control what goes on inside you, and the fact that you try an use emotional manipulation to guilt someone is vile. Also, guess what? Did you know you can be pro-choice and anti-abortion? I doubt it.
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@vaguepepper4028 Depends on what that person wanted. I have absolutely no issue with ending the life of a comatose patient who, if ever even awakes, will have no quality of life. That's why I believe in having a will, even when you're young. That being said, a person in a comatose IS sentient. So your comparison is invalid.
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@ebonie4002 A parasite is any organism that negatively impacts the host and depends on said host for survival. There is literally a birth defect called parasitic twinning. Just because people don't like to call fetuses parasites doesn't mean they aren't one.
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@ebonie4002 A fetus does not increase fitness. Neo natal care is extremely important or else you, as the mother, would die as would the developing fetus. Considering I have a degree in biology, I'm pretty sure I didn't. As far as being classified as a parasite, that depends on who you ask.
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@craigorji6687 you'll have to be way more consistent on which comments you're referring to.
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John Brewer Except it's not murder because it doesn't fall into the definiton of murder. No one should argue a fetus isn't alive. Being alive isn't the issue. It's not sentient. I want to see an end to abortion. But I have perspective into why it happens.
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They are also people who should have restrictions and face criminal consequences should their child or another child get sick. No law says you must be vaccinated.
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You don't in some cases.
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So, you'd pay more just to see them die?
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@jacrispy8802 Which is strange since most victims are anti-death penalty.
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@jacrispy8802 Why should I be forced to pay more?
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@cheetahhunt8711 Yes it did. Gun rights are still the same. They knew guns would improve with time. You're implying that had they known the technology we have now, they would have never made the 2nd amendment. You're wrong.
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Sin only exists to the religious, and you don't get to use the word design, as you haven't proven we were designed.
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No not necessarily. A vegan diet is just healthier for some people.
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@fabianc6025 There are vegan foods way higher in protein and carbs than you would ever get from meat. Also no. Everyone's tastes for food is different.
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No, you're wrong. Humans are not the top of the food chain. Food chains, scientifically speaking, are based on trophic levels. We are in the middle. Yeah, and you'll run away like a coward in most circumstances because those animals are called man-eaters for a reason.
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@rispiccinich8802 Ma'am. And no, your not wrong for having an opinion. Your just wrong factually. Also, you're speaking to an atheist, so the God thing is lost on me. And a brain will not protect you from a bear or a croc. They have brains too. We just have higher cognitive function. My point was just stating you are wrong to state we're at the top of the food chain. We're not
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@rispiccinich8802 The facts actually do dictate how you live your life because you can't live without them, but I see what your saying. Except the creator thing. I don't believe in God, but you do you. Sure you can think about how to get out of a situation but that doesn't mean you will. Its just one part.
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No, it doesn't. A backgroud check is only required if the gun being purchased in from an FFL dealer. Many people go to shows because private citizens set up stalls to sell and trade their guns. Privates sales have no background check requirements in most states. I'm pro-gun as well, but you should know the law before posting something thats blatently false.
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I value my cat over most people, especially strangers. Thats just normal. Most people who own a pet feel a psychological connection to them. If you're telling me you would save a human stranger over ypur pet, I'll call you a liar.
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You are not inherently valuable. You aren't born valuable. That's what she was saying. The value you have is given to you by your own unique experiences and life. That's what makes it valuable. You aren't born with that.
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