Comments by "TombWraith" (@Tomb-Wraith) on "Atheists and Christians Debate Truth And Belief | Middle Ground" video.
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@mooncrow9325 I understand he said numerous times that he did not want to talk to me, but frankly, I do not care. He continued to respond to me, yet claimed he didn't want to talk, and got pissy when I responded and called him out.
Yes, when you make a public comment and someone responds, they expect a response back. But no where did I demand he answer me. He could have simply did what he did and stopped replying.
He looked foolish because he wouldn't respond based on a profile picture and a name, not because he didn't want to. I have had countless debates where the other party have stopped responding, and thats where it ends.
I never said anyone owed me a debate. But when someone asks a question, and you respond with insults, don't expect to be taken seriously.
You still have never offered any evidence to the claim that I'm a hypocrite.
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Thetruthwillblowyou away We keep arguing because we have fundamentalists try to shove it down our throat and change the laws based on their belief.
No, I don't know that he's real. And anyone who claims to know he is real is either a liar or delusional. I don't deny the possibility of a God existing, but I think believing something without evidence is foolish.
You know who's the real hypocrite? So called loving religious people who preach love thy neighbor, then actively hurt them. Most atheists don't say "God isn't real". They say "I don't believe in God."
What faith? I don't have faith that a sky daddy is watching me. I don't need it.
Haha Pascals Wager. The lamest argument. Tell me. What happens is Allah, Zeus, Ra, Krishnu, Bramah, or Odin is the real God? Then I'm still fucked. Your God is no more likely than any of the thousands worshipped throughout time. Not to mention there are so many sects of Christanity.
Because we have evidence that backs up our theories. We don't blindly believe anything. Unlike you, we aren't cowards, and aren't afraid to admit that we don't know and we don't have all the answers.
Who cares where the universe comes from? Why does something, except for God apparently, need to have a creator to exist? You look to God because you're afraid of death. You're afraid there won't be anything after death, and the unknown terrifies you. So you use some deity as an excuse to try to help ease it.
There's no proof Jesus even existed, let alone that he saved everyone. Now, I don't doubt that a prophet named Jesus existed. However, there is no evidence he was any kind of divine person.
I was a proud Christian for years until I sat down, without an indoctrination, and read the Bible. Full of horrific things and contradictions, I came to realize that it was foolish to believe in something I had no evidence for.
My time wasn't wasted, nor do I care if you respond to me. If God gives you hope for the future, and makes you less fearful, then by all means believe. But leave me alone about it. I'm not interested.
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@fabiomendieta7022 Okay, so here's the problem I have. You are using a colloquial definition for one word and a philosophical definition for the other. This is dishonest, though I don't think thats intentional. I'll give you an example.
My stance is "I do not know whether or not a God exists, but I choose not to believe in one". By the colloquial definition, this would make me an both an agnostic and an atheist. However, philosophically, I would be agnostic, as I do not claim there is no God.
The terms used here are colloquial. That is why I responded that she is both. Agnostic, when not used in philosophy, is redundant, which is why many just label themselves atheist or theist.
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@UCioji-estCyM9IbY3ATI0kA I don't know how the universe came into existence, and I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance. The universe could have always existed, a natural phenomenon could have caused it, a deity could be behind it, etc. I don't really know, so I don't jump to a God conclusion.
It may be impossible in the reality as we know it, but the universe isn't bound by the laws we have on Earth.
Yes he did. The Bible even commanded it. So are you just ignoring the Bible? And even if I granted you that the Bible doesn't command that (which it did), if God is all powerful, then he had the ability to stop the mass slaughter and did nothing. That makes him just as bad, if not worse, since he had the power to do something and did nothing.
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@lotus9865 No I haven't. I gave you the only established definition of omnipotence. You have no credibility as of yet, because you are a random person on rhe internet that I know nothing about. Also, you apparently don't know what a strawman is.
Yes I am an atheist. If we're being technical, both Darwin and Einstein were atheists, but preferred the term agnostic because they went by the philosophical definition, in which an atheist would be someone who denied the existence of a God. Regardless of whether or not they were amazing scientists, God had nothing to do with it. One could be amazing and be wrong, which Newton was in my opinion. It doesn't negate what they did.
No, I don't have all the answers. Thats the difference between us. I, as an atheist, can say "I don't know". Christians just cram God into everything
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Tito World We don't even know if Jesus was crucified as there are no eyewitness accounts. The earliest books of the Bible were written 60 years after his death. I am poor and sick. Jesus and prayer doesn't help me. Working my ass off and going to a doctor does. I know I'm imperfect. What makes your God, assuming there is one, the right one? What about Ra, Zeus, Odin or Allah? People convert on their death bed because death is a terrifying process. That is not evidence that a God exists.
I was a Christian for the majority of my life. It didn't do anything to help me. If God is there, and he is all loving, then no matter what I do I will be saved, because an all loving being would not damn his children to a place of eternal suffering.
Until you can give me proof that a) God exists, b) Which God is correct, and c) What exactly he wants, I choose to withhold belief
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@willyounotthink3903 Objective morality, in the simplest terms, is the belief that morality is universal, meaning that it isn't up for interpretation.
But it is up for interpretation. It always has been. If no one believes rape is wrong, then how can you show that it is? That's a belief you hold.
All civilizations don't agree on what evil is. What do you classify as a civilization? There are plenty of groups of people who still do cultural sacrifice. There are plenty of civilizations, the middle east for example, who still think rape victims deserve to be killed for adultery.
What you think is good and evil isn't what everyone else thinks, so the fact that you can call these concepts absolute is laughable. They will change as the world does.
I have more morality than the Bible does. I'm a secular humanist. I believe all people should be given the same respect and love that I would want. I think its wrong to harm people. My moral framework is subjective, and actions I do is objective to that moral framework.
I don't believe in God. But even if he did exist, morality would still be subjective. It would just be subjective to God. You may call that the highest level of subjectivity, but it would still be subjective.
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@radachelkollie4048 Scientists have never proven Jesus existed. In fact, we have no historical evidence proving he did. Now, I'm sure he did based solely on probability.
And no, Jesus existing does not prove a God, since there is no evidence he was divine.
One of the most accurate historical books? Man, you really are delusional. Adam and Eve did not exist. Noah's flood did not occur. In fact, one of the crucial elements to the Bible, the Exodus, very likely never occured.
You can take vague scriptures and claim they were fulfilled prophecies all you like. The Quran has the same thing.
I did read and study the Bible. In fact, I've probably studied it more than you. That's what turned me into an atheist.
No. Horribly incorrect. I spent to majority of my life as a Christian, then read and studied the Bible from an outside perspective, the the knowledge that I was right and that the Bible was true. That's when it was inconsistent, and frankly, straight up didn't happen.
You, ma'am have a condition called confirmation bias.
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@Dami-dm5sj No. I didn't say that. I am very well aware that things that cannot be observed in reality might be true. My stance is until some form of evidence and testing can be done to show it is in reality, there is no reason to believe in it.
If we have no evidence of something, it does make it untrue. But only in the current time. Truth, by definition, is based on fact and reality. Sure, but if you can't find evidence, then the logical conclusion to reach is that the person is innocent. Its to suspend belief until that evidence can be found.
You cannot call a being that you can't provide evidence of objective. You don't have that knowledge, and to claim you do is dishonest. At the end of the day, you can believe that God is an objective truth, but at the present time, you can't claim that to be true. You simply don't know.
The Bible is a 2000 year old book containing things we now know to be untrue. That is called circular reasoning. You are a Christian because you have cognitive dissonance, and choose to reject evidence that contradicts the Bible, which in my opinion, is kind of sad. The fact is you are that gullible, because you do not acknowledge the evidence or the contradictions of the Bible.
If it brings you joy to believe in God, I respect that choice. But to call God an objective truth is a statement that needs evidence. Evidence you do not possess.
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@mochiarmy3418 I don't believe remarriage is adultery. But the Bible sure does.
I don't believe in God, so I can attest to one being all loving. However, if the Bible is accurate, he is certainly not all loving.
We are not equal. We are property. First to our fathers and then to our husbands.
Matthew 5:32 speaks about marrying a divorced woman being adultery. "But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery."
Gensis 3:16 stating that a man rules over a woman. "To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
Ephesians 5:22 ordering us to submit to our husbands. "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior."
There are more if you look. These are supposedly the unchanging words of God. Its up to you whether or not you believe that.
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