Comments by "TombWraith" (@Tomb-Wraith) on "Pro-Gun Vs. Anti-Gun: Is There Middle Ground? | Middle Ground" video.

  1. Not for private sales.
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  2.  @Im_BrOkE6579  Its a federal crime to purchase a firearm from a dealer without a background check. Private sales through third parties are under no such restriction.
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  3. A background check is not necessary in the majority of states if the sale is through a private seller, who often sell and trade at gun shows. Took me 45 minutes to purchase my first handgun.
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  4.  @tylergaye5457  Depends on where you live. A vast majority of the guns purchased country wide are done by dealers, but the vast majority of gun sales in my state are done privately. I understand that. By no means am I anti gun. Just pointing out a fact.
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  5. Violent crime has skyrocketed in the UK. I'd rather be shot than stabbed or set on fire.
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  6. No there's not and no it isn't. Its bad nomenclature, but its not a myth.
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  7. It's not a myth, but it's also not really a loophole.
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  8. Only if your buying from a dealer in most states. Though if a private seller is trying to sell you 20 guns at once...that's sketchy as fuck-
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  9. No, it isnt fair. But it also isnt fair to generalize mental illness. I should not have my right stripped because I'm mentally ill on the assumption that I can become violent. That's a violation of the constitution. It wouldn't reduce the chances of it being in the wrong person's hands.
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  10. But it is a right. It's a right outlined in the Constitution, originally set for use to be able to protect ourselves from imperial governments. Your country, the heritage, the culture. Everything is different than the US. You cannot compare your society to ours. Its different. We keep guns accessible because we have higher gun violence rates and want to be able to defend ourselves. Criminals don't buy guns legally. The only people you restrict by banning guns is law abiding citizens.
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  11. Its also sad how many people believe you cannot buy guns at a gunshow WITHOUT a background check. Since you can.
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  12. Not in most states if it's a private sale. Took me 45 minutes to get my first handgun.
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  13.  @BlueWizardEntertainment  Uhh no they're not, because there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales. The gun sale would only be illegal if your specific state puts regulations on private sales and you avoid those regulations.
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  14. Not so much false as it is poorly named. It refers to private sales at shows
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  15.  @carlofernelli  Indiana. You only get a background check if you are buying from an FFL dealer.
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  16.  @landonmoore8822  Yes that's true. But in terms of private sales, that's the only restriction. You have to prove you're a resident of the state
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  17. But laws don't stop criminals from having guns. We banned drugs. How did that turn out?
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  18. Because people would have then brought up thats it not so much false as it is misinterpreted and poorly named. It refers to private sales at gun shows which do not federally require a background check. This happens on a daily basis, but its not a loophole, nor does it only apply to gunshows
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  19. No you don't. Not in all cases. In most states, you only need a background check if you are purchasing the firearm from an FFL licensed dealer. Private citizens often sell and trade at gun shows, and private sales have no mandatory background check in a majority of states.
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  20. They weren't talking about stores. They were talking about shows. I mean, she's still misinformed, but for the wrong reasons.
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  21.  @brandipityha9457  35 of the 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. So, you are mistaken.
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  22. Or you can just go to a show, find a private seller, and buy a gun for no check and about half the money.
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  23. The gun show loophole is poor nomenclature referring to the private sales of guns at shows which do not require a background check.
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  24. If the sale is private, there isn't.
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  25.  @ThomasNguyen7  Private sales OCCUR at gun shows. A private sale is any transaction that occurs between two third parties. I'm not blaming gun shows for anything. I'm simply saying that the statement "you can't buy a gun at a gun show without a background check" is false.
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  26. Yes, exactly. Because it is our rights.
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  27.  @ThomasNguyen7  No, I didn't prove your point. My point remains that private sale CAN OCCUR at gunshows. All of my guns were purchased at shows. All of my guns were purchased privately. Never had a background check. Do you understand now?
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  28.  @deltazero7012  Thats the case in 38 states and I absolutely agree. I am pro-gun. I just don't want misinformation to spread.
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  29. That is absolutely false. I am in no way anti gun, but to spread this misinformation is dishonest. There is NO FEDERAL MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECK ON PRIVATE SALES! PERIOD! You are ONLY FEDERALLY REQUIRED to have a background check if you are purchasing a gun from an FFL licensed dealer at a store or show. But not everyone who sells at shows are dealers, and MOST states put NO RESTRICTIONS on private sales! Everyone one of my guns was purchased at a show from a PRIVATE CITIZEN and I have NEVER had a background check. Please, do some research!
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  30. Pro-gun supporters: You should have a right to defend yourself if necessary. Anti-gun supporters: You'll be fine bro.
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  31. Pardon us for defending violence with violence. Please explain a better alternative and then go and claim your Nobel Peace Prize.
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  32.  @entt4358  Once that gun has been privately sold, you bare no responsibility what that person does with it, unless you sold it to a known convicted felon. If your state does not require a background check, you are not responsible for what that individual does with that gun.
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  33.  @ThomasNguyen7  But thats not true. Being able to buy a gun at a show without a background check depends on who sold it to you. If its from an FFL dealer, you need a background check. If its from anyone else, it does not. Thats the case for 38 out of 50 states. Again, all of my guns were purchased at shows. I never had a background check.
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  34. Except gun shows doing background checks depends entirely on who you're buying it from.
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  35.  @joshualocicero6799  Oh, I understand that. I'm just saying private sales also happen at gun shows.
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  36.  @entt4358  None of the state laws work that way. All states require you to show a valid state ID. So selling to a minor would be illegal. You don't need a background check for that. I work in the criminal justice field. Doesn't matter who the buyer is. Unless you can prove I know that person was a felon, doesn't matter who I sell it to. No longer my property
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  37. Yes people are fine. Tell that to my best friend of 15 years who was brutally stabbed to death in London, where the homicide rate trumped that of NYC. Or the people who have died to the fire bombings in the UK. Just because GUN crime is lower doesn't mean VIOLENT crime or HOMICIDE is lower.
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  38.  @sivonparansun  Which can happen at gunshows. Not everyone who sets up a booth at shows is a dealer. Depending on the state, very rarely do dealers set up booths. Where I live, gunshows are nearly all private sales.
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  39. Australia's homicide rate doubled the year you banned guns and it has since bought back 85% of irs guns. Just because you have an illusion based on where you live doesn't mean that illusion is fact.
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  40. Yeah...that has more to do with population. Your homicide rate has increased over the last decade. And it surpassed NYC several years back.
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  41. The only ones who don't feel safe are those who buy into mass hysteria. Its horrible that these shootings happen, but stripping guns won't solve that issue.
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  42. That is not required at all gun shows. That is only required if the person you are buying from is a licensed dealer. Private sales can happen anywhere, including at shows. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check.
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  43. Depends on the state and who you're buying it from
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  44.  @tylerconroe9904  Pistols do not have to be sold by a licensed dealer any more than rifles do. They can, and are, sold privately. Federal laws in the sellings of guns only apply to dealers. The states handle everything else. That is the law for the majority of the states. 38 out of 50.
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  45. Yes you can. Private sales also happen at shows. There is no background check on private sales on the federal level. I'm pro-gun, but spreading misinformation turns people away from our side.
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  46. That doesn't mean everyone does. I never have, but that's the issue. Anti-gun just don't understand how the laws actually work.
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  47. You do realize being anti gun doesn't stop shootings right? It just stops lawful citizens from being able to interevene.
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  48. Because owning a gun is a right in America and gun laws are a violation of those rights. Being able to own a gun in the UK has not and has never been a right. I know several Europeans that wish they had a gun when they were brutally stabbed in a back alley.
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  49.  @entt4358  That is true. However, if he or she has no reason to believe that the buyer is prohibited from buying firearms, if that buyer commits a crime with that firearm, the seller is not responsible under any federal law, because that sale was a legal sale.
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  50.  @entt4358  I dont need to get a lawyer. I work in the law field.
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  51.  @bryanford1139  Indiana. Probably one of the most lax gun states. Hell, we literally have a city about 20 minutes from here called Gun Town.
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  52. And more regulations does nothing but prevent more law abiding citizens from owning guns and increases cartels and illegal gun sales. And what qualifies as serious mental disorder? Why should I be denied my right because of an issue I can't control? What's the criteria?
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  53.  @Deterrent-xz5zz  Its not rare at all. A dealer, ie someone who sells guns for a living, always has an FFL. Everyone else is just a private citizen
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  54. For those of you who continue to say you cannot purchase a gun without a background check, you need to check your laws. Background checks are only mandatory under federal law if you are buying them from an FFL dealer. You must be an FFL dealer to sell at gun stores, but you do not need to be an FFL dealer if you are selling at a show. The "gun show loophole" refers to these transactions. These sales at shows are considered private, and that falls under the states to decide. Unless you live in a state where there are restrictions, you do not need a background check to legally purchase a firearm. That is not to say they will not give one. They just aren't required to by law.
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  55.  @timothygriffith2740  1. I am very well aware of that, and quite frankly, don't care. I understand that rights aren't inherent, but if I'm going to live in a society and pay my dues, I expect the rights that have been laid out to be protected, not destroyed. 2. I am also aware of that, and every single one of them should be done away with. And yes, I agree it's a weak argument. That doesn't mean there's no merit in it. I'm pro-gun because it statistically proven that a more armed population suffers less violence and crime. And I would like to live in a world were everyone feels like they can achieve the very best, even if that's not exactly realistic.
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  56. I mean...that doesn't solve the problem, because the problem is violence, not just gun violence.
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  57. You also have a different culture, a smaller population, a different crime structure, and are under a pseudo dictatorship. America can't be so bad if thousands of people are dying to get here.
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  58.  @ThomasNguyen7  I only own 2 firearms. And they were purchased at shows privately, because that happens to be the most common way to purchase guns in my particular state. Its cheaper than going into a gunstore and buying one. The "gunshow loophole" isn't a myth, so much as it is a poorly named red herring, because it refers to the private sales of guns at shows, which isn't a loophole, and people don't seem to understand that. My point is simply not to spread misinformation that damages the pro-gun movement. Like making the statement "you can't buy guns at a show without a background check". Thats a lie.
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  59.  @williamkelley1971  Your 100% wrong. I work for the police department. Allow me to explain. Gun shows have 2 types of salesmen. FFL dealers and citizens. If you are buying from a dealer, then yes. You need a background check under federal law. However, citizens without an FFL license are considered private sales, of which there is no mandatory background check. That falls under the jurisdiction of the state. My state puts no regulation on private sales, therefore, a background check is not required. Do your homework. Any firearm not purchased from an FFL dealer is considered private under federal law. Private firearms sales are left up to the states.
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  60. Because they're fun to shoot and they're nice to have if necessary.
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  61. Most people would fail a psyche test. A majority of people are mentally ill.
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  62. Except they aren't banned in Canada. You can still buy a handgun and rifles. Also, people get shot everyday. They just aren't mass publicized. People are also saved every day
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  63. Yes because mass stabbings, being run over and firebombings are so much better.
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  64.  101327  Agreed.
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  65. Tell that to all the people who have been brutally stabbed and burned to death...
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  66. We don't just "accept" violence. But if you're telling me that you would rather be raped and killed then shoot someone, then the "natural selection" evolution trait skipped you.
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  67.  @raftika1  I bought them legally from a private seller, which does not require a background check.
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  68. That is such a bold faced lie, and it took a simple google search to prove that. On top of that, the US has 4 times the population of the UK. And yes. Getting stabbed to death or set on fire is SO much better than being shot. I wonder how many of those teenagers that were murdered could have survived if they had a gun. Gun restrictions does not reduce violent crime. Another lie easily debunked. You have the internet. Use it.
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  69. Race, culture, rights, economics. Better question. Whats wrong with America having guns?
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  70.  @entt4358  No you aren't. A prosecutor can try and bring charges against you, and the judge will throw it out. I dont think you know as much about the law as you think you do, or you just believe the entire justice system is corrupt
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  71.  @TinfoilHatWearer  All 3 guns I own were purchased at shows and I have never had a background check. You have either been purchasing your guns from an FFL dealer (whereas mine were private sales) or your state puts a background check restriction on all sales. The "gun show loophole" is a reference to private sales at shows. This isn't really a loophole.
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  72. Why should people not be allowed to protect themselves just because a minority uses thoae guns foe bad purposes.
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  73. And while what that cop did was vile and he absolutely should be charged for it, lets not forget George Floyd was no saint. He was a felon who pulled a gun on a pregnant woman. Stop pretending all cops are evil.
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  74. No, we really aren't. Guns save lives every day. But keep believing the media.
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  75.  @izzyherschell7611  And I agree. I'm all for guns. Even if the gun show is regulated, theres no federal background check on private sales, who often trade and sell at gun shows.
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  76. @Isaac Carpenter Except its not. Federal laws do not apply to private sales. State laws do. I would be in trouble only if I bought a gun from an FFL dealer and did not do a background check, or if I broke one of the states laws regarding firearms.
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  77. Banning guns will not help violence.
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  78.  @dexterity5809  Because banning guns only bans them from law abiding citizens. Criminals will just get them illegally.
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  79. Another fact: The states that have the most lax gun laws have the least amount of gun crime. Another fact: The mass shooting problem is minimal.
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  80. Yes...becauae criminals will certainly follow that rule. Won't be like drugs where you just spawn cartels...
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  81. How are those fire bombings and mass stabbings going George?
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  82.  @notlogical4016  Except you don't in all cases. Just depends on whether you are buying privately or from a dealer.
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  83. You have obviously never been in a dangerous situation. ANYTHING is a weapong. Your fists, a car, a bat. Those who want to hurt you will do it. And you wish to disarm the good people who want to help and protect themselves.
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  84. Not so much imaginary as it is wrongly named.
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  85.  @nbaking5715  You have clearly not done research or ever been suicidal.
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  86. You just have a mass stabbing and firebombing issues.
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  87. Depends on who you're buying the gun from. Private sellers often sell and trade at shows, and theres no background check on private sales in most states.
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  88.  @jjnelson1999  No it's not. There is no federal background check on private sales. That falls under state laws.
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  89.  @4ntoCatch  They do not get their guns legally. Stealing someone else's legally purchased firearm is not legal.
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  90. No you don't. Private sales are a thing.
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  91. No you don't. The "gunshow loophole" is a mislable referring to private sales at gun shows. Private sales do not legally require checks in most states. The reason its false is because it implies that its a loophole, which its not, and that its specific to gun shows, which its not.
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  92. The problem with Crowders video is it does not accurately portray what happens at gunshows. 2 types of people sell at shows: Dealers and Citizens. Buying from a citizen at a show will NOT warrant a background check, unless you are in a state that restricts private sales. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check on anything other than my handgun license. You don't need a video. Research the laws in a specific state. The "gunshow loophole" is not a myth, but it is also not really a loophole. Nor does it only apply to shows.
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  93. No they aren't. Quit believing everything told to you. Your child has more of a chance being run over in a parking lot than being killed in a school shooting.
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  94. That isn't true. Just because you don't have guns doesn't mean you don't have violence. The EU has a reputation for stabbings and fire bombings.
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  95. We have not had 307 mass shootings. We've had 11. The definition of mass shootings is so vague and that static includes gang related and domestic shootings.
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  96.  @TNIZZELL-y1i  I'm entirely serious. You can say this as a joke, but you're really uneducated about the law. And you make the pro-gun side look weak.
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  97. I don't feel the need to protect myself. I just like the security of knowing I can should that time ever occur. If you seriously think you live in a place where you are "protected and safe" you are naive.
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  98.  @joerenwick5018  Which like...doesn't compare at all to the stabbings and fire bombings. You know that right? Mass shootings make up less than 5% of gun homicides, whether the media likes it or not.
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  99. Not always. Depends on the state and the seller
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  100.  @anthonys7236  I am well aware of that
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  101.  Ryan Kelley  People really need to look at the real reason we have a firearm problem. Because it isn't the guns.
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  102.  @kudu2196  Indiana doesn't have a gun registry. The only one responsible for a crime committed is the one who physically used the gun in the commitment of the crime.
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  103. Yes. And then look at countries like Brazil and Mexico that have a gun ban and nearly twice the gun crime. It couldn't possibly be a culture could it?
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  104. They also have a completely different culture and they have stabbings and bombings. You wanna know the places that get shot up? Gun free and restricted zones. Know why lax gun states don't have mass shootings? Because you'll be shot long before you can hurt anyone.
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  105. Your right. It isn't a loophole. But it refers to the private sales at shows, which people think is a loophole.
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  106. I think the problem stems from the fact that gun shows aren't just dealers. Private sellers sell at shows as well, and that's where that "myth" started.
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  107. Australia bought back nearly 70% of their guns. Try tasing someone on meth. See what happens when they get right back up.
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  108. Yes, and lets just ignore how those shootings took place in gun free zones. Or how countries like Mexico and Brazil that have a ban on guns have nearly twice the gun violence.
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  109.  LunAria LoonAtic  You have to be 21 to buy a handgun. Even privately.
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  110. They already did
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  111. Its not false. Its just poor nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to private sales at shows.
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  112. That's because Steven Crowder himself went about that experiment dishonestly. You absolutely CAN legally buy guns without a background check at shows. You just have to know who you're buying from. Private sales happen at shows all the time. And most states do not restrict them.
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  113.  @Tbj2222  Yeah, so am I. The fact is that it ISN'T a crime to purchase a gun from a show without a background check. That narrative is a straight up lie. Its NOT illegal.
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  114. It's only dangerous if you dont know how to use one.
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  115. As someone who has worked with law enforcement and has both used and been shot with a tazer, you absolutely build up a resistance to them. I have personally seen people, especially those strung out on drugs like meth, be COMPLETELY unaffected by tazers.
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  116. Not true. Gun shows, depending on state, can also allow private sellers. Private sales do not require a background check in most states.
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  117.  @broadkiwi6882  That depends on where you live. Where I'm from, most shows are private sellers, with maybe 1 or 2 dealers.
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  118.  @tuub1281  No. I'm just not going to do the work for you. If you want information on guns, do your own research. I'll say this. When I went to the Netherlands, I saw many people openly carrying. Perhaps that has changed.
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  119. Thats not true. Many countries that have no guns have serverly high violence and crime rates. Just low GUN CRIME rates.
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  120. Private sales is probably why. They think all sales are done privately.
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  121. Because Germany's culture and government is different.
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  122. Have you actually ever been to a gun show? They're sold all the time at shows.
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  123. Culture and population. Oh and by the way, why are we just focusing on gun crime? The UK's knife crime rates have been rising every year, and so has its homicide rate, whereas the US has been falling.
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  124. But criminals do have guns. So why shouldn't I?
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  125. Hows that knife wound and 7 hour ER wait?
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  126.  @friskyrick4008  No, because that has already been proved to be biased. Crowder deliberately sought out shows that do not allow private sales, so that law wouldn't be applied.
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  127. The amendment was formed to protect citizens rights to form militias should the government try to become a dictatorship.
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  128.  @jiujitsu1129  All 3 guns I own have been purchased at shows. I have never had a background check. Because there is no background check required on private sales, and all my guns were purchased from non dealers.
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  129.  @LazyKingAus  Not true. States only require a background check if you are buying the gun from an FFL licensed dealer. As of January 10th, 35 of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales.
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  130.  @LazyKingAus  You do not have to be a licensed dealer to sell at shows. You do need one to sell at a store, as they are mandated by federal law. Background checks are not required for private sales. I have never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  131. Not if the sale is private.
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  132.  @ratofvengence  Of course. I may disagree, but I can perfectly understand the other side. I don't wanna see more people die.
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  133. Sure. You gonna pay for the move?
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  134.  @cooldude3764  Dude, he literally said the same thing I did. I am in no way anti-gun. But to spread misinformation for our argument is damaging.
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  135. It's not a gun shop. It's a gun show. If you buy a gun from a civilian (i.e. not a FFL licensed dealer) then there is no background check in most states. By the way, some states do not require any license to open carry. Indiana is one of them. Unless you wish to carry a handgun. But there is no license to open carry a rifle or shotgun.
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  136.  @K4rm4ness  No, you will not, unless you broke state laws when selling to them privately (i.e. selling them to a minor/selling them to a known felon.) Once that gun leaves your hands legally, so does any responsibility of what is done with it.
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  137.  @lescobrandon8443  Most states do not perform gun registration. And no, thats also not how the law works. Most people, even though not necessary, will keep either a bill of sale or copy of the buyer's license. Private sales are legitimate sales.
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  138.  @izzyherschell7611  Then that is entirely because of where you live. I also want to clarify that they very much may do a background check. They are just not required to.
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  139. Anything can be used as a weapon. You cant ban all weapons. That's physically impossible. Actually, crime rates are higher where guns are more restrictive.
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  140.  @catherineb5441  You're both incorrect actually. Getting a background check at a show depends on where you live and who you are buying from. Private sellers often sell at shows, and are under no obligation to provide background checks in a majority of states.
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  141. Not really, though it isnt a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows not requiring a background check.
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  142. Yes, because you're isolating several other factors. Is it also coincidence that the US has pro-gun laws, but has a homicide rate that is at a 40 year low?
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  143. @20Bailey Osborn Absolutely False. Background checks are only needed at gun shows if you are buying from a licensed dealer. If the seller is a private individual, then in most states, no background check is needed.
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  144.  @JBRocky007  Only if you're buying the gun from a licensed store or dealer at a show. If you're buying from a private seller, there is no federal law required a background check in most states
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  145. The more good people allowed to carry the better.
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  146. Why is it hilarious to you for us the stand up for our rights?
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  147.  @Rahab111222  No it isn't. It depends entirely on what your state law says. Federal law does not control private sales. Drugs are illegal at both a state and federal level. Guns are not. It is not illegal to buy a gun privately in my state, but it might be in yours.
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  148. Stop spreading misinformation. Needing a background check at a gun show depends entirely on who you're buying from and where. I have never had a background check on the guns I have purchased at shows, because they were not purchased from dealers, who often sell at shows.
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  149.  @AlphaTanuki  Most states have no regulations for purchasing privately. The problem in your first comment is you make it sound like the only people who sell at shows are dealers, which is untrue. The thing is, most people just can go in and buy a gun. Guns are not that hard to purchase legally.
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  150.  @AlphaTanuki  No, you're just misinterpreting on how gun laws actually work.
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  151. Private sellers dont perform background checks. It's called the gun show loophole.
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  152. Any gun show in 38 states where private sellers are
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  153. Because criminals obey the law, right?
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  154. Opposite is actually true. Gun shows, at least where I live in the midwest are mostly private sellers, and therefore do not require background checks.
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  155. Thats one or two states unfortunately. Don't worry, they're already in trouble.
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  156.  @dexterity5809  No it wouldn't. It would do the opposite. You would see more mass shootings.
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  157.  @dexterity5809  Why do you only focus on mass shootings instead of violence in general?
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  158. I'll remember that the next time I read about the spiking homicide rate in other countries.
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  159. Never have I had a background check at a show. This is because the people I bought from were private sellers, and are under no obligation to provide a background check. Not anti-gun. Just pointing out that somthing being poorly named doesn't make it false.
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  160.  @alienhybrid7891  Actually, in my own personal experience, more private sellers sell at shows than actual FFL dealers. That may just be my state though. I'm curious as to what state you are in, as that would strictly be a rule for the venue where the show is being held. There is no law in any state regarding who can amd can't sell at shows, except the small minority that regulate private sales. No, thats not true. Not here at least. My purchases have all been done at the show. But again, that may just be my state. And actually, most people who turn out to be criminals either purchase firearms legally, or steal them from a friend or family member.
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  161.  @Study49-yt  Why should I respect an opinion that seeks to strip a right from someone because they have mental illness? That's like saying "I don't like black people. Respect my opinion."
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  162. A place in the middle that would prevent mass shootings is making it easier to obtain guns and getting rid of gun free zones. There is a reason why mass shootings occur in states with strict gun laws.
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  163. "People who have a documented mental illness should not be allowed to own guns" That is blatantly unconstitutional, and I'd be willing to bet you have mental illness. The majority of people do. ADHD, Depression, Anxiety, OCD, Autism spectrum disorders etc. All of these are mental illnesses. Where would you put the line?
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  164. You actually can. Quite easily in fact. Just find a private vendor at a show in one of the 38 states that do not put restrictions on private sales. That simple.
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  165. Depends on what state and who you're buying from.
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  166.  @conradmerrywether9438  And we completely agree.
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  167. Maybe she just doesn't understand private sales and assumes all sales are like that. Most people don't seem to know actual gun laws...
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  168. While they're burning to death or sitting there with a knife in their gut.
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  169.  @8ing8ong78  Your murder rate has skyrocketed. You just have less gun related homicides.
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  170. Yes you can. Depends on who and where you buy it from. FFL dealers are not the only people who sell at shows.
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  171. Think you might feel differently if ever someone pointed a gun at you
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  172. It took me less than 45 minutes. It depends entirely on where you live and who you're buying the firearm from. Never had a background check. Never had a bill of sale.
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  173. You're also entirely controlled by your government and your knife crime rates are on the rise.
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  174. It may have also saved her from getting raped. We simply don't know.
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  175. Because non leathal methods of self defense will work when the assailant has a leathal weapon right? How are those mass stabbings going?
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  176. Yes you certainly can. Just depends on who you're buying from.
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  177. Or she's been to a really shady one.
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  178.  @MrBubz-pq3ck  unless it was private
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  179. There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales
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  180.  @TheQuagmireful1  Only if you are buying the firearm from an FFL dealer or your state has restrictions on private sales.
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  181.  @dionakgamer7769  That is because you are buying the gun, at the show, from a dealer. But not just dealers sell at shows. If you are buying the gun from a non-FFL licensed party, then regardless of where you buy it (at a show or on the street) in Texas, there is no mandatory background check. It's considered a private sale, and Texas does not put restrictions on private sales. The seller, if unlicensed, can choose to give a background check, but that is their decision. It is however, not required by law.
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  182. Private sales exist for this reason
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  183.  @pontusbeats7567  There isn't. The homicide rate has still dropped in the US in the past years. I mean, yeah. But when most of those statistics are suicides.
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  184.  @pontusbeats7567  When a rapist breaks into your house and has pinned you up in a corner. Why do you think the police carry guns? To stop those who are the most dangerous.
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  185. Or she's been to a gun show where she's seen private sellers. Those don't require checks in most states.
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  186. No they don't. Depends on who and where you buy it from. I've purchased 3 guns at shows. Never had a background check.
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  187.  @loganberlew3191  Then don't. Just proves you don't know the law.
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  188.  @loganberlew3191  The laws pertaining to background checks on private sales. I would advise you do YOUR research, since you clearly don't know there is no mandatory background check for private sales.
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  189. Well, it is. Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It refers to private sales at gunshows.
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  190. Banning guns will not only not dramatically decrease gun crimes, you'll see violent crime rate rise. Why do you think cities that have banned guns see some of the harshest crime? Look at Chicago. Ruled by gangs. It won't. It will only cause guns to become a pandemic, just like BANNED drugs are. You're suggestion simply fuels cartels.
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  191.  @aMentalPie  Oh. You mean like the UK that now has a massive stabbing and fire bombing issue? Or Australia that has a stabbing problem? Right. Being stabbed, fire bombed, acid attacks...those are so much better than being shot. We don't have a concise definition to a mass shooting. A mass shooting could occur with few injuries and no casualties, but with an excessive amount of ammunition fired. We don't have the shooting problem you think we do.
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  192.  @aMentalPie  Its not just London. Many cities all across the UK have mass stabbing issues. How about that man in Canada that killed 19 people on a greyhound bus, cannabalizing them? With a HUNTINF KNIFE. Automatic guns have been banned in the US since 1985. The crime rate has been at its lowest in 40 years over the last years. And 61% of those gun statistics? They're suicides. America doesn't have a gun problem. It has a poverty, drug and mental health problem.
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  193. We aren't afraid in America. We simply like having the protection there. And less death? London's homicide rate was triple that of NYC's. Not having guns doesn't stop violent people. It allows violent people to do as they wish. A gun simply provides the potential to stop a threat.
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  194. Yeah, gun control works in the UK. Now their homicide rate tripled, and they have people being stabbed and fire bombed. Lets not forget that Canadian man who killed 19 people on a greyhound bus, decapitating and partially eating one of them. Why is being shot the worst thing?
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  195.  @roberthalpin9169  The gun show loophole just refers to the private sales of guns which under law don't require a background check in most states anyway
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  196.  @antonbrig5171  An automatic gun? Yes. As those are illegal period. A normal gun? No. Never have I had a background check on any gun I ever purchased from a show. But my guns were purchased privately from a third party seller and did not require one. Those laws are left up to the states.
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  197.  @antonbrig5171  Depends entirely on where and who you buy from. You can literally google the law. Licensed dealers are mixed in with private sellers. Some shows have only dealers, and they are obligated by law to give you a background check. No, I haven't done anything illegal. I purchased my guns from a private seller. It's illegal for a licensed dealer to sell a firearm without a background check, and some states may also restrict private sales. This is not the case for the majority of the country.
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  198.  @antonbrig5171  Okay. Then let me make this clear. The guns I purchased were from a private seller WHO WAS SELLING at a GUNSHOW. Your point is STILL WRONG.
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  199. 1. The right to bare arms should never be amended. 2. A psychological test is unconstitutional. The majority of the population is "mentally unstable" as they have diagnosed mental illnesses. Where does your slippery slope end?
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  200.  @MrASMR-lh1yv  Probably because they were dealers. Most of the vendors at gun shows here are just other people. Not all. But most.
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  201.  @gholland5840  But that is not the case for the majority of states. Tell me how that gun restriction worked for the California high school that got shot up.
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  202. Except you don't in all states. I've never had a background check at a show.
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  203.  @williamkelley1971  I'm a girl actually. And I do. I'm an FI for my county. Just because I enjoy the anime style doesnt mean I'm not intelligent. Feel free to ask me any questions.
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  204. Because that won't realistically protect you from a dangerous individual or a crackpot high in drugs.
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  205. Uhhh no. People will get guns. You just prevent the good people from having guns.
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  206. Nope not true. Private sales in most of the country don't need a background check.
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  207. Yeah, and places in Europe have a huge stabbing problem. Because thats so much better.
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  208. Yeah okay. Tell that to the criminal when they've got a gun to your head.
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  209.  @nathantaylor4812  You made that statistic up. Your homicide rate tripled while the US has seen its lowest crime rate in 40 years. Its not a regular thing over here. You're more likely to be run over. London on 3 different occasions had a higher homicide rate than NYC. You're much more likely to survive being shot than being stabbed.
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  210.  @user-pw2of2lp9s  Not true. Private sellers sell both inside and outside of shows. They are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. I'd advise you learn the difference between federal and state laws.
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  211. There are many people advocating the total eradication of guns. You already cannot buy an automatic weapon without a level 4 license, and how do you decide who gets guns and who doesn't?
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  212. Considering mass shootings don't happen in places where everyone owns a gun, I'd say your incorrect.
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  213. Your fists are weapons. So...cut off all people's hands?
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  214. That would be unconstitutional. You can't deny me my right to bear arms or my right to privacy because I have mental illness.
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  215. The background check refers to the fact that private sellers trade and sell at gun shows, and you dont need a background check on private sales.
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  216. Yeah, and they have horrid problems with crime. You know something funny? Mass shootings happen in gun free zones. You have a better chance of being run over or struck by lightning than you do being killed in a shooting.
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  217. Lets have knives and molotovs instead.
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  218. But there are guns, so...
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  219. Thats a right because we understand we can't always rely on others for aid nor can we always trust the government. Don't like it? Don't live here.
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  220.  @filthyvibes4768  Nothing needs to be done. We don't have a gun problem. We have a poverty and untreated mental illness problem.
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  221. Yes, next time your house is being robbed, call the police and tell them to use the non-lethal bullets. See how long you last.
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  222. Thats not necessarily true. You only need a background check if the person selling is an FFL dealer. Private sellers also often set up at shows, and then it falls on state laws to determine whether or not you need a background check. Every show I've been to has taken me less than 45 minutes to purchase a gun.
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  223. Agree with everything but people seem to get confused when talking about the "gunshow loophole". Its just private sales, which do not require paperwork or a background check in most cases. And it confuses them.
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  224. All 3 of my guns have been purchased at shows and I have never had a background check. Where I live, both private citizens and FFL dealers set up stands at shows. 38 states require no background check if the gun is purchased privately, which can occur anywhere, including at shows. I believe this is, crudely, what she was referring to.
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  225. No, not everyone agrees America had a mass shooting problem. And she rejected that because its unconstitutional. "Mentally ill"? Where do you draw the line? The majority of people are mentally ill. Depression, anxiety, and ADHD being the most common. These people can live perfectly content lives, why should their second amendment right be taken?
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  226. Yeah, because mass stabbings, roadside bombs and molotovs are SOOO much better.
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  227.  @barforlifebarforlife6019  No it isn't. It is smaller of course, but that's becauae of the population size of the US. But as far as violent crime, the EU's has nearly doubled in the past decade, whereas the US has been falling. Don't believe everything you hear about the US. They'll never run stories about the people saved my guns.
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  228. Background checks are only required if you're buying them from a FFL licensed gun store. Private sellers are not required to perform a background check.
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  229.  @pushdword  No idea what you find funny
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  230. Yes they do. All the time. Just go to show that allows private vendors.
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  231. Australia does have guns. In fact, it bought back 1/3 of its guns. Not only that you're crime rate is at an all time high with both homicides and drug problems. Not saying America is better. But not having guns doesn't make you any more safe. It just makes you safe from most gun offenses.
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  232. You mean the gun free zones that don't allow you to open carry?
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  233. But not everyone who sells at shows are dealers. Private sellers are a thing too. Maybe that's where the confusion comes from.
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  234. Not necessarily. Took me about 40 minutes to purchase my first gun. Gun shows requiring background checks depends entirely on who you're buying it from and in what state.
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  235. His video was also found to be uniformed and biased. The gun show loophole does exist, its just sort of a red herring. Bad nomenclature. "It is illegal to sell guns without issuing a background check"- Absolutely false. Background checks are only mandatory under federal law if you are buying the gun from an FFL dealer. The loophole refers to people being able to purchase firearms at shows from citizens instead of dealers. These sales are considered private, and the law regarding private sales is a state issue. I have never had a background check on any of the 3 guns I own.
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  236. Australia bought back 70% of its guns. To say you have no guns is a flat out lie.
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  237. Yes it does in most states. If you are buying from a private seller, there is no mandatory background check. I literally bought a gun in a bar parking lot. All I did was show a state license and gave him 300 dollars.
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  238. Private gun shows do, and depending on where you live, that may be most shows. I've never had a background check on a gun, but thats not a loophole.
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  239.  @sunnydaysv2189  Guns have not killed more than they saved. Thats just an outright lie.
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  240. Yep. All my guns have been purchased at shows without background checks.
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  241.  @TNIZZELL-y1i  You do know private sales are a thing right? And that private sellers don't need to provide background checks? Might wanna read up on gun laws a bit.
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  242.  @TNIZZELL-y1i  Considering you don't know the law, you reallly look weak
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  243. Thats not an unpopular opinion at all. A psychological evaluation would be against the Constitution.
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  244. Well, since most mass shootings happen in GUN FREE ZONES-
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  245. There aren't in all cases. She should have been corrected though.
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  246. Then feel free to not own guns. But you'll feel differently when you find yourself in a life or death situation.
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  247. Yes, they most certainly would have. Because they were secular humanists. They wanted citizens to be able to defend themselves
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  248. You can certainly buy guns from a gun show. Its what they're there for.
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  249. Its really not that difficult. Unless your buying it at a gun store.
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  250.  @JoseGarcia-vi3pu  I am pro-gun as well. Most people who go through private sales are not criminals. But i see what people are saying.
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  251. Only true in some cases if you are buying from an FFL dealer. Most states do not require background checks on private sales, which happen at shows as well. Never had a background check for any gun.
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  252. Yeah, you just have a massive rise in acid and knife crime. Worry about yourselves with your rising homicide rates.
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  253. No you don't. Not necessarily. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where.
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  254. That's not entirely true. The gun show loophole does exist, although it really isnt a loophole. If the individual you are purchasing the firearm from at the gun show is a private citizen (i.e. not an FFL licensed dealer) then there is no mandatory background check in most states. I've purchased 3 firearms at gun shows so far. Never had a background check.
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  255.  @commondognut  Indiana.
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  256. And the UK has had to restrict knives because of mass stabbings. So much better. Look at countries like Brazil and Mexico that have strict gun laws, but way more gun homicides.
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  257.  @lovedivakissdiva  No, honey. Thats a state by state thing. Federal law for background checks only applies to FFL dealers. Everything else is handled by the state. My state puts no restrictions on private sales. All I have to do is provide proof that I am a resident in the state I am buying the gun. Thats it. No background check. No bill of sale.
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  258. Depends on who you're buying it from. Background checks are not required on private sales in most states.
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  259.  @Pete230  Not in a majority of states.
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  260.  @Pete230  No, they're not. Background checks are only mandatory for private sales in states that have passed those laws, like California. There is no background check needed for a legal private sale in most states.
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  261.  @bodemalott2608  In my town they are. I was speaking only from my personal experience. I know that's not the majority in every state, nor in the country.
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  262.  @billbillerton6122  No, and no where did I state that. I don't think there needs to be background checks on private sales. I'm just educating people who say you can't buy a gun without a background check. I also believe it is unconstitutional.
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  263.  @AaaaandYerDhem  I understand that. But your original comment implies that a background check is required at a gun show period. And that is not necessarily the case.
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  264. Well, its not a myth so much as really bad naming.
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  265.  @dewey_meister95m20  No you don't. Depends on if your buying from a dealer. The "gun show loophole" isn't a loophole. It just refers to private sales at shows that do not legally require a background check.
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  266. You absolutely can buy guns without a background check. Its called a private sale.
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  267. The "gun show loophole" does exist, just not in the way people think. Its bad nomenclature. It refers to private sales, which can literally happen anywhere, in which a background check is not required.
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  268. Except there isn't. Private sales exist.
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  269. Yes you can. Private sales take place at gun shows and there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales and no state mandatory background check on private sales in 38 out of 50 states. The gun show loophole exists. Its just bad nomenclature.
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  270. Not true. You should actually read the laws before you comment nonsense. You make the pro-gun side look weak. In a majority of the country, you can by a gun from a vendor at a gun show without a background check. Background checks are only required under federal law if the person is a dealer, to comply with their FFL. Private sales (any sale not done by a dealer) are left up to the states, and most states only requirement is no felonies, an age requirement, and you to be a resident in the state you are purchasing. Private sales and dealer sales are different, and both can occur at shows.
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  271.  @Andybojangles  No, you're just wrong. Private sales happen all the time. That's a sale done by any person who is not a licensed dealer, whether it be a family member, friend or stranger. And no. You DON'T have to do paperwork. Quit pretending you know the law. You make the pro-gun side look weak.
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  272.  @Andybojangles  I've purchased 3 guns at shows. I never had a background check. Thats because my sales were done privately, and my state puts no restrictions on buyers, other than I had to be a resident and have a valid ID. The only time I had a background check was when I went and got my CCL, and that was after I learned to shoot.
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  273.  @Furiouspenguin27  Transfer of a firearm is not a private sale in all cases. There's literally a one page form. Hell, it can sometimes be done through a computer using your ID. I am well aware that the majority of guns are purchased through dealers. My issue is the statement that you cannot legally purchase a gun without a background check. That is NOT true. If you legally sell a gun, you are not responsible for what happens to it. Only if it's YOUR gun are you culpable. I really wish people would just look up these laws.
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  274. The vegas shooting was not performed with an AR15. They were modified rifles designed to look like an AR15. Most of these mass shootings? They're performed with a goddamn handgun.
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  275. In what world do you believe that gun control would fix gun violence in this country? That is not true. Also, how are you Anti-American for fighting for your rights?
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  276.  @nil981  Kinda hard to understand non-obvious satire over a screen.
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  277. But the key words there are "licensed dealers". Private sellers sell at shows and do not need a background check in most states.
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  278.  @majorramsey3k  I am well aware that private sellers exist outside of gun shows. And I am very pro-gun. I was simply clearing up a statement that could be challenged.
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  279.  @JoeZelensky  You mean purchasing a gun at a show without a background check? That does happen. All the time. At least in most states.
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  280.  @JoeZelensky  There is no legal requirement to perform background checks on private sales. I suggest you learn your law.
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  281.  @JoeZelensky  Literally all of my guns have been purchased privately at shows. Are you actually saying private sales require a background check? Or just simply don't happen?
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  282.  @JoeZelensky  Almost every gunshow here in Indiana have both dealers and private sellers. All of mine were purchased at Guntown Gunshow.
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  283. Because we are a representative republic. Because we are not comfortable with the government or person in power getting to set and make rules that benefit themselves and harm us. No one would argue that they would need a gun to protect themselves if guns weren't out there. But they are. The mass shootings would not occur if MORE people owned guns. You could stop the threat before it happened.
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  284.  @evank9313  You can take away guns, but you'll only take them away from innocent people. Criminals don't care about laws. No actually, it would be the exact opposite. The more you regulate guns, the more people will join cartels and sell them illegally. This is exactly what happened with drugs. Drugs are extremely restricted and yet, we have huge drug problems and cartels that make millions of dollars. You would eliminate cartels by simply deregulating them.
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  285. Gun shows being primarily FFL dealers depend entirely on where you live. That's certainly not the case here. Still doesn't make it a loophole.
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  286.  @AnAmerican846  Its not universal. That is certainly not the case where I live. Nearly all shows here are done by private sellers, because its cheaper to buy a firearm from a third party than a dealer. That isn't a loophole. Its just the state law.
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  287. No, she's just being over dramatic. You absolutely can by guns at shows without a background check in most states, but I doubt a vendor would sell you 20 at once.
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  288. Not really true. Its only illegal to buy a gun from a dealer without a background check. But private sellers in most states are not required to perform a background check.
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  289. Because that will stop criminals from having guns, right?
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  290.  @Rose-bl9df  No it won't. It will be much harder for citizens to get guns. We tried to ban drugs and now have a major gun problem. Funny how all of the places that have massive restrictions on guns have the most gun violence.
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  291.  @Rose-bl9df  Because everything you said is wrong.
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  292.  @Rose-bl9df  You clearly aren't using stastistics. A majority of shootings happen in states that have heavy gun control.
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  293. Not so much a lie as it is misinformation. Its not that hard to buy a gun without a background check.
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  294. Every state has background checks if you're buying from a dealer who holds an FFL. Most states do not have background checks on private sales. Never have I had a background check when I purchased a firearm.
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  295. But where do you draw the line at mental health? Anxiety, depression and OCD are all mental illnesses. I suffer from depression and have had suicidal thoughts in the past. Should I therefore not be allowed to own a firearm, even though I'm a law abiding citizen protected under the Constitution? That's the issue. Many of the anti gunners want NO ONE to have a firearm.
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  296.  @user-vp7yk7lj4w  That is blatantly unconstitutional. I've had suicidal thoughts in the past. I should no be stripped of my right to defend myself because I have depression.
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  297. That would only raise mass slaughter. You would be amazed by how many people are saved because citizens have and know how to use a firearm.
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  298. In Indiana, you have to be 16 to buy certain rifles, 18 for others, and 21 for a handgun. Background checks are only necessary if buying from a dealer.
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  299. But criminals do have guns. So I want a gun to be able to shoot them before they can shoot others
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  300. Funny, considering statistics don't back up being anti-gun. Unless you try and make false equivalencies.
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  301. Probably because someone would have clarified saying its poor nomenclature for private sales at gun shows.
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  302. That isnt true. Never had a background check on any of my guns. Depends on who you're buying from
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  303. Thats actually not true. Most gun crimes are performed with legally obtained firearms.
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  304.  Ken MacDonald  No actually. Most crimes are done with legally possessed firearms. You didn't do any research. In fact, only 28% of gun related homicides and mass shootings are done with an illegally purchased firearm. Most guns used in crime may be illegal for the person carrying them, but are not illegal theselves.
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  305.  @alexojideagu  Because being shot is so much WORSE than being stabbed. Ooh...how about that man who murdered 19 people on a greyhound bus with a hunting knife?
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  306. And you refuse to take into account that over 70% of those "gun deaths" are suicides and accidental discharges. The gun homicide problem stems mostly from gangs shooting other gangs. We don't have the problem you think we do. No. If you give more guns to people, you see the homicide rate decrease. The only thing that stops bad people with guns is good people with guns.
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  307. Not if the sale is private.
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  308. Not all do. And not all will. So its not a lie. It just needs to be expanded upon.
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  309.  @jonkuh825  It depends entirely on who you're buyig from. Some vendors are private sellers. They're bound my syaye laws. Others are dealers, and are bound to federl law
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  310.  @rantingguy1726  Depends entirely on what state you are in. My first two guns were purchased privately without a background check, one of them being an AR. Both firearms are perfectly legal.
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  311. Not entirely accurate. Private sales don't require a background check in most states.
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  312.  @joshuaking8512  Yes it is. 37 states do not require a background check for private sales. You're thinking of buying from a store or dealer, in which case, you need a background check.
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  313.  @joshuaking8512  Oh. Yeah I was referring to the US. Sorry for the confusion lol.
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  314. But people will have guns. Bad people WILL have guns. You just want no good people to have guns
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  315. You literally contradicted yourself. You claim people should have a natural right to guns, but those who have mental health issues should not. Do you not understand that a majority of the population are mentally ill? Depression, anxiety and OCD are the most common, and being mentally ill does not make you inherently prone to violence. If "only certain people can do it" then its impossible to be a "natural right".
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  316.  @tylerjamesnazario1770  I have autism. I am a current medical school student, put myself through college, and work in the criminal justice field. I have never been violent. Why shouldn't I, a law abiding citizen with no history of problems, not have access to a firearm? Because I'm on the autism spectrum? That sounds like discrimination. You do not have to take a psychological test to drive. You simply take a test on whether or not you understand the laws behind operating a motor vehicle.
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  317. You do need to show a valid state issue ID in order to vote. In most states at least.
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  318. Exactly. You don't live in America. I dont need a gun to feel safe. I just like owning one. It's just extra of I get to protect people. No one who owns a gun is afraid.
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  319. Yes you could. I have. Just depends on who you're buying from.
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  320. That is absolutely not true. Countries with the lowest crime rates have lax gun restrictions. Cultures, governments and populations are all different. While the countries your thinking of may put heavy restrictions and regulations on firearms, they certainly aren't banned to the public. Unless you live in a dictatorship.
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  321.  @kolika95  No, you do not know what you are talking about. For example, guns are heavily restricted in places like the UK and Australia. But you can still purchase a gun as a citizen. In a place like the US, more guns in citizens hands make people more safe. We do not have a gun crime problem.
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  322. And they year after they banned guns nearly tripled their homicide rate. It has since fluctuated normally. By the way, guns are not banned in Australia. You can get them as long as you own a license.
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  323.  @bruntos31  No schools that allow their students to carry guns are being shot up either.
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  324.  @bruntos31  Mine does. As does most of the schools around my area. They are no longer gun free zones.
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  325.  @bruntos31  Not at all. The fact that everyone has a gun prevents mass shooters from targeting that area. Because they know of they tried, they'd be shot dead before they could do anything.
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  326.  @bruntos31  You aren't allowed to take your firearm into the club. That was a gun free zone. Correct. No one can be shot if there's no guns. But there are. So I don't see your point.
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  327. Thats a terribly slippery slope. For one thing, psychological tests are unconstitutional. For two, what do you define as "mentally unstable". I have depression and autism, yet own 3 guns. Never been violent with any of them. Should I have my right stripped on the grounds that I would fail a psyche test? As would MOST people?
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  328.  @stratocheese  And how exactly do you go about detecting that? Sociopaths are often non-violent.
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  329.  @Tbj2222  No, I'm not confused, because no you don't. There is no federal law mandating that people who set up booths at shows must have an FFL. Crowder was dishonest because he did his experiment in a state that he knew mandated all sales, whether privately or by a dealer. My state, for example, has no background check required at a show and no waiting period, unless the person who is running the booth is a dealer with an FFL. It is not illegal in 75% of the country to purchase a gun from a person without an FFL, so long as you are a resident in the state in which you are purchasing. There is no "procedure" at a show, unless the person selling is a dealer. That's the point. What are you not understanding?
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  330. Because its unconstitutional and a slippery slope. People have psychological problems and are perfectly fine with firearms. How can you take a diagnosis and know what someone will do? Most people are mentally ill.
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  331.  @alexojideagu  Mental health is part of the issue. But you can't deny someone a right because they're mentally ill. A majority of people who own guns are mentally ill. A psych test is not the way to go about it.
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  332.  @alexojideagu  You could start by addressing the problems that make mental illness such an issue. Poverty and allowing people access to mental help should they need it.
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  333. Well, technically its not wrong. Its just misnamed. Its really just referring to private sales at shows. Which happen quite frequently depending on where you live.
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  334. Not all the time. Depends on the state and who your buying it from. Never had a background check on any of my legally purchased firearms.
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  335. Go see the statistics of countries with open carry. 3 have the lowest crime rates.
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  336.  @xelivo8315  Not necessarily. In some countries, guns are unnecessary. In others, they're in mass circulation and needed.
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  337.  @ratofvengence  Thats not true. Russia has a higher homicide rate.
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  338.  @ratofvengence  Yes it is. Theres no definiton of a 1st world nation, so your must using bias to suit your narrative.
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  339.  @unknownsavagery4015  Your homicide rate actually skyrocketed after your ban and then gradually rose and fell at normal rates. You have not seen the same decrease in crime as the US. Countries are different. Do not compare them.
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  340. Yet you wanna take away the ability for someone to protect themselves.
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  341. Not entirely true. Depends on who your buying from. 37 states put no restrictions on private sales.
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  342.  @oppenheimerfaaaaaan5547  True. That however is not the majority
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  343.  @schouvler25  There is no federal law regarding private sales, so I have no idea what you are talking about. All I was saying is that you can buy a gun privately without a background check in most states. That's all. I understand you can't buy whatever. No where did I say that. Those of us who are pro-gun need to be educated so that we can stop misinformation.
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  344.  @schouvler25  Okay? Then you perhaps purchased firearms in states that either did require a background check, or the purveyor performed a background check because they wanted to. The state I live in requires no such thing, nor does 37 other states that puts no restrictions on private sales. I have never personally had a background check on any firearm I purchased. Its not my fault that you're wrong. Neither Georgia nor Arizona have any priave sale background check requirements. A "show" doesn't mean the sale fell under that category. Does the person hold an FFL? There are so many other explanations. Providing ID is normal in all states.
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  345.  @schouvler25  No it doesn't. It just means you are making a claim about something that is not the case. Would you like me to show you the case law in all 50 states regarding private sales? Just because you bought a gun outside of a store does not mean you a) bought it privately or b) the seller was legally required to perform a background check. I don't really care whether or not you think the purchases I made were legal. If we went to case law and counted the number of states that do not require a background check, its 37. I can name them for you if you wish. Of course your required to show ID, because all states put an age limit of purchasing firearms. If the group ordinance that sponsored the show owned an FFL, then the sales weren't private. You were buying from a dealer. Then it makes sense that you would need a background check. I was referring to gatherings of other citizens who are selling guns who do not possess an FFL, or some random friend that wants to sell you their guns. Those are private sales. The "gun show loophole" doesn't exist. Its a red herring that refers to the occasional private sales of guns at shows. There is no loophole because the law doesn't require private sellers to perform background checks in most states.
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  346.  @schouvler25  In reviewing the case law, it is now 30 states that do not require background checks for private purchase, if that makes you feel better. The 37 is because the remaining 7 do not mandate checks on rifles and shotguns, but do for handguns.
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  347.  @schouvler25  The case law is easily found online. I'm not a lawyer. My education is in Forensics and Biology. Though I do have some lawyer friends and enjoy that kind of content. I'm sorry that you feel they are incorrect. More than happy to show you the private sale laws for the 50 states. Or you can research them online. No information I gave was false. 30 states do not require background checks on any firearm for private sales, and a following 7 have no background checks for rifles. It seems to me we are on the same side. Is the confusion coming from the "restrictions?" As opposed to saying "background checks/restrictions independent of federal law?"
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  348.  @schouvler25  That would be a false equivalency. Again, just because you had a restriction does not mean it was mandated by law. Or it simply could mean the sale was not a private sale to begin with, as you described previously. I can't change your mind if you say you don't believe me. I have no way of verifying that to a stranger over the internet. It wouldn't matter if the specific person you bought them off of doesn't have an FFL. You described a show where you said the sponser held an FFL. If the dealer is sponsering the event, those sales aren't private, even if the people selling them to you don't have an FFL. I wasn't there so I may be confused on what you were actually describing. If that's the case, I apologize.
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  349. Why? Because we can protect ourselves while you hide behind the people who shouldn't have to protect you?
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  350. Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The "gun show loophole" just refers to private sales at gun shows.
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  351.  @marissajlewis133  You should have the absoulte right to take your own life. There are many people who suffer from bipolar and schizophrenia, who live relatively notmal lives. Their 2nd amendment right should not be infringed upon because of the BELIEF that they MAY cause harm. What would I do? Take away gun free zones. Make it easier for everyone to own a firearm. There's a reason that mass shootings happen in places where guns are prohibited.
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  352.  @marissajlewis133  Actually, no. Armed guards were placed at synagogues after the massacre but that isn't the point. Some people with guns are cowards. Have students and attendees carry guns. They'll protect themselves. I'm fine with extra steps. A psyche test is not one of them
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  353.  @marissajlewis133  16 year olds are more than capable of handling guns. They probably already do. My high school was one of the first to allow students to carry in my state. 2 wannabe school shooters were stopped.
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  354. Only if the person selling to you is a dealer. Its quite easy to get a gun privately.
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  355.  @grecumihai2230  Why do you look at GUN CRIME rate instead of VIOLENT CRIME rate?
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  356. Bad red herring nomenclature, but does "exist".
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  357. Because then they would be wrong. You most certainly can legally buy guns at a gun show without a background check. Its called a private sale. "Gun show loophole" is more of poor nomenclature than it is false.
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  358. You mean the school shootings that happen in the gun free zones where carrying a gun is not permitted under any circumstance?
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  359.  @softdoll  Guns cannot be eradicated. They already exist. Those who truly want to hurt people will simply get a gun illegally. Criminals do not care about laws. The majority of lives taken by guns in US are suicides. AR-15s are not automatic weapons and are not used in mass shootings a majority of the time. Most mass shootings are done with simple handguns. AR-15s are mostly used for hunting.
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  360. You do realize that 66% of mass shootings are committed with handguns right? Nine of the mass shootings with the 20 highest death tolls involved handguns or long guns. You would not end mass shootings by banning assault weapons.
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  361. Gun owners didn't prevent it because it occured in a gun free zone. I highly doubt you understand the second amendment.
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  362. Killing is not a crime. Murder is a crime. Theres a difference.
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  363. That's not true, though I wouldn't call it a loophole. In most states, there is no background check on private sales, and non FFL licensed citizens often sell and trade at gun shows. None of the firearms I own have ever had a background check.
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  364. But thats not realistic.
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  365.  @tuub1281  And those are mostly suicides and accidental discharges. By the way, the Netherlands is open carry.
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  366.  @tuub1281  No, you'd see more gun related deaths if you outlawed guns. I would do some more research. Countries that have few restrictions on guns have little gun crime.
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  367.  @tuub1281  Do your own research.
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  368. Not for private sales.
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  369. Yes. Because lets pretend for a minute that an mass shooting has ever been committed with an AR 15. Oh wait. Nope its hand guns and occasionally rifles. Most states don't have gun licenses. They have conceal carry licenses, and then dealer licenses. Oh really? Took me 10 seconds to google that nearly all men are trained how to use a firearm. Nearly everyone owns a gun. They just give concealed carry licenses out extremely sparingly. That's not ver different from the US at all. Its almost like culture and population play a huge role.
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  370.  @okays434  And?
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  371.  @ratofvengence  Since there is no concise defintion of what a 1st world country is, that isn't true either. Russia is considered by many to be a 1st world country and has nearly twice the homicide rate of the US
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  372.  @geosock  Perhaps in your view. The problem is there is no precise definition of a "1st world country". The worlds facts list states Russia as a 1st world country because of its life expectancy rate, literacy rate, technology and standard of living. Others say its not because its not a capitalist democracy.
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  373. Depends on whether to sale is private or not. Private sales happen at gunshows.
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  374. Depends on where you go and who you buy it from. Private sellers often sell at shows, and there is no mandatory background check on private sales in most states. Crowder was deliberately biased in that he went to shows that did not allow private sellers. Then there would be background checks. That is certainly not cross country.
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  375. Not true. Private sales don't need a background check in most states. Don't make progun look bad please.
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  376. Except with private sales.
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  377. Most shootings are actually done with legally obtained firearms originally. However, someone may steal them thus possessing them illegally (such as Sandy Hook)
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  378.  @ratofvengence  No, the argument is "taking away innocent people's rights won't stop the guilty."
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  379.  @Demiligne  If you want to hurt people, you're going to do it regardless of what weapon is put in front of you. Laws only stop some people
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  380. Yes there is. There's a massive difference. That being you don't have to hold an FFL to sell a firearm at a show. That makes you a private seller, which allows you to sell without a background check in most states. That's where the "gun show loophole" originated from.
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  381.  @worldofranting3697  You're more likely to die from a stab wound than a gunshot.
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  382. And yet these countries still have higher crime and homicide rates, to the point that people are fleeing for the US. We don't have a gun problem. We have a media problem. Believe what you will, because you'll hold that opinion until your life is threatened.
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  383.  @ratofvengence  Except it doesn't. But the countries I gave you last time don't qualify to you as "first-world" even though they fit the definition, so there's no point in arguing.
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  384.  @ratofvengence  Except they did. They were even listed as first world countries on sources. The US isn't bad, but you're free to believe what you want.
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  385. Yes you can. Depends on who and where you purchase from. No law prevents private sellers at shows, and they don't need to perform a background check in most states.
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  386.  @myfarminmybackyardgunners636  You literally just argued with me that private sales are illegal. So why are you playing two face?
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  387.  @myfarminmybackyardgunners636  Yes they are, because you don't need a background check on private sales in most states. Arguing that you legally MUST have a background check at a show is FALSE.
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  388.  @myfarminmybackyardgunners636  I have been to a gun show. In fact, I've been to multiple. Both with dealers and private sellers. I have always purchased from a private seller, because it was a cheaper option.
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  389. Not always. Private sellers set up at shows too
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  390.  @MegaBullfrog09  Yes, I'm aware of that
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  391.  @MegaBullfrog09  Well I mean...you can...
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  392.  @MegaBullfrog09  That depends on the state
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  393.  @MegaBullfrog09  I know background checks are a federal thing. What I meant was whether or not you'll need a background check at a show depends on the state. In my state, nearly ALL shows are MOSTLY private sellers. Thats what I meant
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  394.  @MegaBullfrog09  Indiana.
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  395.  Lizzie Allen  Do you have any idea where they get that the US is the only country with legal guns?
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  396.  @randomuser1093  No actually. In a vast majority of countries, guns are legal. States and contries with the laxest gun laws have the least amount of violent crimes.
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  397.  @randomuser1093  That is absoutely not true. I said countries that have LEGAL GUNS. Not countries that have the RIGHT TO BARE ARMS
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  398.  @randomuser1093  Thats what I mean as well. There are many countries that allow citizens to own guns legally. Its just not a fundamental right.
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  399. Then you're either buying your gun from a dealer or you live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales.
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  400. Not if the vendor you are buying from is a private seller. I get tired, as a pro-gun advocate, of those that claim to be pro-gun not knowing the difference between state and federal laws.
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  401. Depends on who at the gun show you're buying it from and if their an FFL licensed seller or a private seller. Also depends on what state you're in. My first gun show purchase had no bill of sale or background check.
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  402. Private sales.
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  403.  @Im_BrOkE6579  Private sales happen at gun shows all the time. And the term "legal vendor" is vague. Anyone without a felony is a legal vendor. I believe the term you should use is a "dealer", as a dealer must have an FFL.
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  404. Its a poor name referring to private sales at shows, which don't require a background check. Which is completely legal.
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  405. Only if you're buying from a dealer. In most states, private sales (which occur at shows) do not require background checks.
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  406. You only have to have a bill of sale in states that put restrictions on private sales. I have never had a background check on any firearms I've purchased, nor have had a bill of sale. All I needed was to prove I was a resident of the state in which I was purchasing the gun. It's not false.
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  407.  @welovetheoutdoors4834  lol. No I haven't. I work in the criminal jutlstice system. Every single one of those guns are legally purchased. Try again.
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  408.  @ChucksSEADnDEAD  So what if cops are at gun shows? You don't need an FFL license to sell at a gun show. If you are not buying the gun from an FFL dealer, it's a private sale.
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  409. You don't need a background check to purchase privately.
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  410. Banning guns will not prevent people from being violent. Guns can save lives just as much as they can take them.
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  411. She said show. Not store. Those are different.
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  412.  @MrScissor90  There is no law stating you must be an FFL dealer to sell at shows. Most shows in my state are all 3rd party, because the guns are cheaper. That is literally something you made up, and its ridiculous.
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  413.  @MrScissor90  That we agree upon. But that is the case in the majority of states, and you make it sound like it isn't.
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  414. Not for private sales.
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  415.  @witnessesofthelightjq5623  She said gun shows. And in 38 out of 50 states, there is no restrictions on private sales. Thats the majority of the country.
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  416.  @witnessesofthelightjq5623  Umm no. Gun shows are public events where vendors set up booths. This can either be private sellers or gun dealers.
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  417. Maybe not any gun you want, but any one they are selling. And you don't need a background check if the seller is a private party. Least in most states.
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  418. You can in 38 states if you buy from a private vendor.
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  419.  @scottlang7564  Private vendors set up at shows all the time. All of my firearms have been purchased privately at shows.
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  420.  @scottlang7564  Thats for two reasons. 1 is that everyone at that particular show is an FFL dealer and 2 is that the state requires a background check on private sales. Instead of watching videos, read up on the law. It'll offer insight about your particular state.
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  421.  @scottlang7564  If a vendor does not have an FFL, then they are a private seller, and they absolutely can sell you a firearm without a background check in 38 out of 50 states. There is no law that mandates that only those with FFL's can sell at shows. There is also no law that prevents someone without an FFL to sell any amount of guns. You only need an FFL if you are a dealer by profession. If you've had family get into trouble for that, then you need to look at your specific states laws. I am pro-gun as well, and own three myself. I'm sorry, but you're wrong
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  422. You live in the minority (or your buying from a dealer).
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  423. Less a myth and more of an improper name.
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  424.  @outdoorwanderer7729  You can go to private stalls. They sell at shows all the time
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  425.  @outdoorwanderer7729  No. You need an ID to legally purchase any firearm.
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  426.  @outdoorwanderer7729  You only require a background check in most states if you're buying from an FFL dealer.
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  427. There's not in all cases. Depends on where and who.
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  428.  @ratofvengence  Russia is a 1st world developed nation that has a higher homicide rate than the US. What, to you is "first world developed nations"? There's no definiton for that.
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  429. That's not true in all cases. I'm pro gun, but private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows, and there is no background check in most states.
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  430.  @sogapoc9747  Most booths are FFL dealers, so yes you'll need a background check. I'm referring to non FFL dealers who sell at gun shows. For instance, all of my guns are from shows. I have never had a background check because the person selling it to me was a citizen, not a dealer.
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  431.  @sogapoc9747  Just because you only consider them part of a gun show doesn't make you correct. Though I agree in the fact that a. It's not just referring to gun shows and b. It really isnt a loophole. Again, not all booths who set up are FFL dealers. She's referring to to private sellers who sell at gun shows, and in that case, she is correct. But I understand what you are saying.
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  432.  @sogapoc9747  I bought them at a gun show. It's that simple. I just bought them from a citizen and not a dealer. He had his own booth just as those with FFL licenses do.
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  433. You also have to understand the cultural and population differences and the fact that just because you don't have guns doesn't mean people don't get murdered. If mass shootings and murders are what you are trying to stop, restricting guns will not help. In fact, it'll make the problem worse.
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  434.  @maxmcdonald4537  No, America does not have a gun issue. And the more good people with guns, the less gun crime we have. You should stop believing everything you hear and actually do some research.
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  435.  @maxmcdonald4537  Yeah, those gun crimes where 70% are suicides and accidental discharges.
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  436. First of all it's lie. Second of all, its not a lie. Its just really bad nomenclature. Not all states have a CCW. You don't need a CCW in open carry states. The gun show loophole refers to the private sales that can and do take place at shows. You have to be an FFL dealer to sell at a store. You do NOT have to be an FFL dealer to sell at a show in a majority of states. 38 out of the 50 states put NO restrictions on private sales. If you were denied a firearm at a show it was because you were either in a state that restricts private sales or you were buying from an FFL dealer. NONE of my firearms have ever had background checks, because they were purchased privately. All you need is a valid state ID. My only background check (concerning firearms) came when I applied for a handgun license.
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  437. You don't have to have a dealer to legally purchase a gun in most states.
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  438. The gunshow loophole isn't a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows. You do not need a background check in MOST states for private sales, which can happen anywhere.
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  439.  @Double0hTater  Not true. There is no law that states you must be a dealer to sell at a show.
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  440.  @Double0hTater  I live in a 2a friendly state, and every show I have been to have both private and licensed sellers
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  441.  @lilchibi7403  See you wanna blame it entirely on the government. You know why the police deteriorated? For the same reason it is over here in the US. No one wants to sign up. Know why? Because every decision you make is scrutinized by the people and people want to see you disarmed. When you're attacked by a criminal with a knife, then you'll wish you had a weapon to protect you. The USA isn't a bad place, except in places where citizens have been oppressed and disarmed. I would never want to live anywhere else. I don't have to wait 8 hours in an ER to see a doctor. I can defend myself on the street. And I won't be prosecuted for speaking out against the government.
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  442. But private vendors at shows do not have mandatory background checks
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  443. No its not. Not if the sale is private.
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  444. Nope, not true. Private sales don't require background checks in 32 states. That's over 70% of the country.
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  445. Well, because they don't always. Depends on who and where.
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  446. Depends on who you're buying the gun from. Never have I had a background check at a show, but all my sales were private.
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  447. Therr's a difference between a gun show and a gun store though.
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  448. Not for private sales in most states.
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  449. I mean, she's technically right. But for the wrong reason.
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  450. Depends on where and who you buy it from.
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  451. That is not entirely true. You are correct in saying you aren't allowed to purchase a gun without a background check from a shop, or anyone that holds an FFL. But gun show vendors are not always dealers, and there is no law mandating that you must be a dealer to sell at a show. Registered gun shows do not only consist of FFL dealers. That is a flat out lie. Private sellers, in most states, do not have to perform any background check to legally sell the gun. They would only need a valid ID that you a resident in the state in which you are purchasing the firearm. You are also incorrect about conceal carry. Currently, 31 states are open carry. You need no license or permit. It looks really bad on you when you try to "balance the argument factually" when most of what you said is incorrect.
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  452. Private party sales are entirely legal in a majority of states.
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  453. To be fair, most pro-gun people do as well. I have had so many arguments with other pro-gun people telling me you cannot buy a gun at a show without a background check.
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  454. The federal law exempts private sellers from background checks. It's called the "gun show loophole".
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  455. The gun show loophole DOES exist in most states. In 35 states, there is no law requiring a background check on private purchase. My first gun was purchased in a bar parking lot.
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  456. Yeah, it won't be when you miss or a motherfucker gets back up.
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  457. Yes. You. Can. Depending. On. Where. And. Who. You. Buy. It. From. When will people, pro or anti gun, understand the difference between conventional and private sales? Learn the law before you make a comment.
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  458.  @friskyrick4008  Its not though. There is no mandatory background check on private sales. All 3 of my guns were purchased privately and legally and I have never had a background check. Know why? Because its not required.
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  459. Depends on who you're buying from and where. It was a lot easier to get a gun for me at a show. No background check or bill of sale. Just a state issued ID. Took me 45 minutes.
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  460. ​ @Still_awake19 This is entirely dependent on where you live. Most gun shows in my state are not run by dealers. They are run by private citizens, and therefore require no background check. Perhaps this is why she believes this lie.
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  461. Not really, though it really shouldn't be called a loophole.
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  462.  @trevorlaplant4155  As I said, I dont believe it should be called a loophole. There just is no requirements to purchase a gun other than a state issued ID on private sales in most states. Private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows. Of the 3 guns I own, I have never had a background check for any of them. My state does not put restrictions on private sales.
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  463.  @trevorlaplant4155  of course.
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  464. Yes you can. In over 75% of the country.
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  465. In some instances there aren't.
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  466. Not having gun crime does not equate to having no crime.
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  467. Not if the show you are going to has private vendors in most states. I've never had a background check at a show, but that's because the sales were private.
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  468.  @elijahbrewer1820  No. Its actually quite common to find private sellers at shows. Just depends on who you buy from.
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  469. Well...you can very easily buy a gun if its a private sale in 38 states. Takes like 15 minutes. Maybe thats specifically what she was referring too?
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  470. They're not talking about a store. They're talking about a gun show. Depending on who you are buying it from depends on whether a background check is required by law.
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  471. 100% agree until the end statement. Private sellers sell at shows all the time, at least where I live. You don't have to have an FFL to pay for a booth at a show (though it is more expensive) and therefore do not need a background check. Still not a loophole, just personal experience.
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  472. Taking away guns will not stop gun violence. You will only prevent decent people from protecting themselves.
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  473.  @lindasmith7423  There is no country that has 0 gun violence. Its just greatly reduced. Your customs, crime rates and population are all different. If you don't live in the US, you have no say in our laws.
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  474.  @lindasmith7423  Once again, your culture, area, population, and criminal statistics are all different.
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  475. Violence in general and mental issues go hand in hand.
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  476.  @Sileness  Thats not what I said. I just said that violence is caused by mental illness. Not mental illness causes violence.
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  477. And the fact it is that several of those countries are dictatorships, and the rest have numerous other reasons why they can't be compared. Here's another fun fact. The states with the most lax gun laws do not have mass shootings. Wonder why that is.
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  478.  @TheGreenerItGets  then stabbed? Hell yeah. Less painful and more of a chance for survival
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  479.  @TheGreenerItGets  Doesnt matter which gun.
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  480.  @TheGreenerItGets  Have you actually ever been stabbed or shot?
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  481.  @TheGreenerItGets  Then quit pretending like you know how either of them feel. As someone who's been both, being shot hurts WAY less
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  482.  @TheGreenerItGets  Shotgun yes. And a handgun. And I've also been stabbed. The gunshot, for me, hurt a lot less and was easier to manage
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  483.  @TheGreenerItGets  I dont personally know anyone who has owns an automatic weapon, let alone been shot and survived with an automatic weapon. And no, you didn't ask me that.
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  484.  @TheGreenerItGets  Ahh I see it now. Well, based on my experiences with semi-automatics, and automatic would probably be fatal in a small amount of time. So I'd still take that over being stabbed, thrown acid at, or fire bombed.
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  485.  @TheGreenerItGets  You assume getting stabbed wouldn't lead to death? This is my opinion, as a person who has been both. Gunshot wounds hurt a lot less and are easier to treat than stab wounds.
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  486.  @TheGreenerItGets  Bullets dont always break apart. Depends on what exactly is shot. Because acid and fire bombings are happening in the safe UK with no guns
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  487. I have seen tasers and pepper spray do absolutely nothing.
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  488. Yes there is. Plenty of gun shows don't require a background check because of private sellers. Its just not a loophole.
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  489.  @waltermitchell383  Yep. In fact, all my guns were purchased from gunshows. That isn't true, and is easily debunked. And that's what makes us pro-gun advocates look bad. Private sellers, who can and do sell at shows, are under no legal obligation to perform background checks in 30 states. You must have a background check if a) your state puts restrictions on private sales or b) you're buying from a dealer. Someone who holds an FFL. You make pro-gun look bad.
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  490.  @waltermitchell383  Gun store? Yes. Gun show? No.
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  491.  @trentbara2522  Not true. Violence has been falling in the US and rising in the UK, though it fluctuates each year.
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  492. Background checks depend on eho you're buying from and where.
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  493.  @jupiterfox7683  How so? Its almost as if pro-gun can make legitimate points. So can anti-gun for that mstter.
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  494.  @brownbrownbrown2938  That I do.
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  495.  @lazyashell2201  Your entire comment proves you know absolutely nothing about guns. You don't like it over here? Then don't come. Better to be shot than beheaded by a madman on a greyhound bus.
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  496.  @lazyashell2201  I hope you do understand that there are guns in Canada. And that they are legal. And way to be prejudiced against an entire group of people.
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  497.  @lazyashell2201  And you do know that thats also the case in the states right?
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  498.  @lazyashell2201  No, I was referring to your country and the states being safe and having a ban on military assault weapons. Oh, and the right to bare arms is the 2nd amendment. Why are you only focusing on guns? Especially when over 60% of those gun deaths are suicides? It is not a daily thing. You're way more likely to be run over than shot.
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  499.  @lazyashell2201  Nobody in America prefers to be homeschooled. People are not as afraid as you think they are. Some schools are allowing students to carry. My college does it. Just because you hear about something doesn't make it true. And you should consider all the facts. Do you wonder why mass shootings happen in gun free zones? Because no one but criminals have them. It makes it easy to gun down a group of people. There was a man who walked into a bar in my state (where it is open carry) in an attempt to shoot it up. Do you know what happened? He was shot by a civillain before he even got a chance to fire off a shot. Because good people with guns stop bad people with guns. The 2nd amendment is important. Its in place to protect us from a tyrannical government first and foremost. Its hard to vote for a "reliable president" when neither candidate is reliable. I don't live in fear. I won't give up my guns because it is my right to have them. Its my right to defend myself and my family. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how being shot is so much worse than being stabbed or firebombed. Its not normal to fear an instrument that can't do a damn thing on its own.
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  500. The "gun show loophole" is just a poorly named red herring. You can get guns at gun shows without a background check if you're buying the firearm privately. Only FFL dealers are under any legal obligation to provide a background check. Not all people who sell at gunshows are dealers.
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  501. But you aren't trying to do that, because you won't make it harder for bad people to get guns by increased laws. You'll only make it harder for good citizens
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  502. I have never had a background check on any of my firearms. Almost everyone at shows here are private sellers lol.
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  503. Only if the vendor is a dealer in most states. All of my guns were purchased at shows and I never had a background check until I got my CCL.
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  504. @Ethan D. Where do you draw the line on mentally ill? Should I not be allowed a gun because I have social autism? Depression? Anxiety?
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  505.  @that1guy591  No you dont. Not if it's from a private seller. Only FFL licensed purveyors are required to do background checks, and restrictions are only used in private sales in 15 states. I own 3 firearms, and none of them required a background check. Hell, my first one was purchased in a bar parking lot.
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  506.  @ratofvengence  It doesn't.
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  507.  @ratofvengence  No it doesn't. Not by most definitions of a 1st world country. Depends on your definition, since there is no concise one.
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  508.  @ratofvengence  So even by that definition, the US does not have the highest homicide rate. And on top of that, you don't take into account victim demographic nor population. Our homicide rate has been dropping over 40 years. But keep pretending it hasn't.
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  509. You can't remove guns from everyone. People who want them will get them.
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  510.  @reromust-A2  Not necessarily. And the person who is buying may have never had a background check. I didn't until I got my CCL.
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  511. Not necessarily. Depends on whether you're buying from a citizen or a dealer. Private sales can happen at shows, and there is no background check required.
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  512. Actually, that depends on the club. Several clubs here allow people to carry, so long as you have an up to date CCL
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  513.  @bubbly747  That depends entirely on the state you live in. There is no federal law preventing a business from allowing people to open carry in their establishment. Thats a state's business. I carry my gun nearly everywhere I go.
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  514. Mmm no. Not in all cases. Private sales exist and they happen at gun shows all the time.
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  515.  @mq1469  Literally go to findalaw and look up private sales. Private sales are state laws. FFLs are federal laws
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  516. Hahaha. High gun crime in the US. That's a good joke. No, sorry. There isn't high gun crime in the US.
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  517.  @MYRD-ew6oi  And guess what nearly 70% of that 40k makes up? Suicides.
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  518. I think where they get confused is private sales, which don't require a background check in most states and are often sold at shows depending on where you live.
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  519.  @Bob-sx7iv  A taser is by no means "non-lethal". No where on a package will it say its "non-lethal". Because its not. It's not designed to be lethal, but that doesn't mean you can't die from it. A taser carries more than enough voltage to stop the human heart. Gun violence isn't performed with ak-47s and ar-15s. Its performed with small handguns.
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  520.  @Bob-sx7iv  I would love to see those publications, because an ar-15 is such a noticeable firearm. Funny, after looking it up, turns out 82% of all mass shootings are committed with handguns. I'm not saying rifles aren't used. But they are certainly not the majority.
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  521.  @Bob-sx7iv  The latest study I found was in 2019, where there was about 49 people. My point was to call a taser non-lethal is wrong.
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  522.  @Bob-sx7iv  My only point was that tasers are not non-lethal. I'm not comparing them to gun deaths,
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  523. Shes right in some aspects. Most states dont require a background check at a gun show if you're purchasing from a private seller. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  524.  @joeyblaze2509  There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales. You are only required to have a background check performed if you are purchasing the gun from an FFL licensed dealer. Technically, there is a gunshow loophole, though it's not a loophole nor is it restricted to shows. All you need in most states to purchase a gun privately is a state issued ID.
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  525. Not everyone who sells and trades at gun shows is a dealer. Private citizens also sell at gun shows, and are under no obligation to provide any type of background check in a majority of states. All of my guns were purchased legally and have never had a background check on any of them. There is NO FEDERAL MANDATE on background checks for private sales.
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  526. Or you could just buy it privately at a show. No background check required.
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  527.  @ianmyers143  I am well aware of that. My issue is stating that you cannot buy a gun at a show without a background check. That simply isn't true, and it makes pro-gunners like us look bad when other pro-gunners spout misinformation.
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  528. Funny you say that, since the places that have the highest mass shootings are places that are strict on guns. Wonder why that is.
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  529. But...you don't. Private vendors often sell at shows, and private sales do not legally require background checks in most states.
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  530. Yes it does. It's just poor nomenclature. It refers to private sales at gun shows.
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  531.  @cooldude3764  35 of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales, nor is there a federal restriction on private gun sales. You are wrong.
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  532. What do you define as mentally unstable? Just having mental illness?
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  533. And I've never had a background check for any gun purchase. And yet people think everyone having checks will stop violence.
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  534.  @ninponighthawk  That's cool. You need a handgun license to open carry a handgun in Indiana.
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  535. Not in all cases.
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  536. Most states have no "gun license". You may need to a license to carry, but not to own.
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  537. Except we don't have a gun violence problem in the states and stricter regulations do nothing to curb the problems we do have. Look at Chicago.
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  538.  @ElysianSounds  I'm just smart enough to not believe what the media feeds me. I don't consider suicide by firearm "a gun violence problem". I know there is no concise definition of a mass shooting. I know that I have a better chance of being run over than gunned down.
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  539.  @evanbrown7264  So explain to me how enhancing gun control would affect criminals? What happened when we outlawed drugs? Drug sales decreased right? Oh wait. You don't make it hard for violent people to get guns by enacting gun control. You make it easier.
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  540.  @ElysianSounds  And yet there are still countries that have a higher murder rate than the US. You know what the odds of surviving a gunshot wound as opposed to a stab wound? See, now you're strawmanning the argument. Having traffic laws in place protects people. If you got rid of the drug laws, you wouldn't have cartels. Same issue with guns. The more good people that have them, the less lives lost. Are you against police having guns?
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  541.  @evanbrown7264  I never said you did. But you advocate for tighter gun control, and that helps no one but criminals. And the problem with your argument is your using faulty evidence. Not only that, your equating violence specifically with guns. If you enact gun laws, you make it easier for these "unstable people" to get guns. Not harder. If you think we have a gun violence issue, then you can't be bothered to do research on statistics and believe what media feeds you.
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  542.  @ElysianSounds  And the way to do that would be by giving more good people guns, so they can stop threats before they occur. The difference is, gun control laws DON'T protect people. They HARM people. The massive hindrance is that tighter gun conrol laws ONLY AFFECT legal gun owners. It makes it harder for THEM to get a gun.
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  543.  @evanbrown7264  So your saying if someone is shooting at you, or posing an active threat to innocents, you should not impose violence to stop them? If thats thr case, you're living in a fantasy world. What do you propose? Just try talking them down?
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  544.  @ElysianSounds  Except a) conparing countries is a strawman and b) "gun control" may lessen gun violence, but would not stop violence. And in a country with 300 million guns, you'd only be aiding cartels. The very fact that it doesn't save lives. Your delusional if you think it does. Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in America, and innocent people are gunned down on a daily basis.
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  545. Not necessarily. She is wrong, in a sense, but because of the way she thinks it works. In saying "you could go to a gun show and buy a gun without a background check" she's right. You can do that in some places. I have never had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. But that's because the shows where I live consist mainly of private sellers.
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  546. That's only true if the vendor is a dealer. The gun show loophole is a red herring name for private sales at shows, which do not require background checks in most states.
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  547.  Lizzie Allen  Absoutely. The worst ones are the ones with power.
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  548.  @dreamkasts  I'm not saying that George Floyd wasn't a victim of racist and biased police. He was. But he wasn't a saint. He was a felon. And there are other people that should be publicized that have been the victims of racism, both white and black. Both cops and civilians.
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  549.  IssyFishyy  hey see? We can find common groubd on some issues.
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  550. You may one day wish you had it. Your culture, crime and economy are all different.
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  551.  @jazztries4715  You may never need it. You may also one day be in a situation where you wish you had it. Just depends.
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  552.  @Mashmarriner69  Yes it is.
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  553.  @Mashmarriner69  Its simple. Because gun control doesn't help the problem. It makes the problem worse. Gun control is no different than telling gun owners to just give up their guns. You know why? Because criminals obey neither. Your "gun control" DOES NOTHING for gun crime. It only makes it harder for good people.
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  554.  @corytimm3136  I have never had a background check, but my sales were all private.
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  555.  @tristinjudd2595  Most gun shows do have booths. But you don't have to be a dealer to have a booth. Unless your state has said otherwise.
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  556.  @tristinjudd2595  No one I have has performed a background check.
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  557.  @lescobrandon8443  Except even if you didn't have a bill of sale, that doesn't stop the sale from being legal. No. Actually its not. That depends entirely on the state law. As I said, which apparently YOU didn't read is that many states do not perform registrations on guns. How about learning the laws?
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  558. But only if its a dealer. Private sellers aren't bound by that rule in most states.
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  559. Not in most states they don't.
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  560.  @fitzy1840  No. Not in all cases. Depends on who and where you buy the gun.
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  561. Except crowder specifically went to people who were dealers, which will require a background check. All 3 of my guns were purchased at shows. All were purchased 3rd party. Never had a background check.
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  562. America does not have a gun problem.
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  563.  @spincer3033  So am I and no it doesn't. We do not have a gun problem.
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  564.  @spincer3033  Yes, I am well aware of this.
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  565.  @spincer3033  No gun laws are perfect, but we still have had a decline in national violent crime. Especially homicides
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  566.  @Sdsamurai  Perhaps you think so, but that doesn't make you right. Our gun homicide rate is at a 40 year low. Some people like to own automatic weapons just for collections. Why does there have to be "protection" behind it?
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  567.  @Sdsamurai  No one has ever killed 50 school kids in a mass shooting over here either. Personally, I don't think cocaine should be illegal, but thats just me.
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  568.  @Dre_98  America's gun crime dropped over the last 3 years. Australia's homicide rate rose in 2017 and then dropped. Crime happens. You're one of the idiots who believe that a majority of gun deaths are homicides and they're not. 88% of "gun crime" are suicides and accidental discharges.
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  569. There is no country that is not a dictatorship where the right to buy guns is outright restricted. They just make it difficult, and also have higher homicide rates than the US.
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  570. Except you can. It just depends on who you are buying from. Background checks are only federally mandatory if the person is purchasing from a dealer.
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  571. Do you actually know how buying guns works? Because shes right, in a sense. It would be sketchy as hell, but completely legal, depending on the state.
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  572. Depends on the state and who you're buying it from. It's not a myth, but I also wouldn't consider it a loophole. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  573. Most people don't. Considering you don't always need one.
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  574. You do understand that a well regulated militia referred to private citizens forming groups, right? This was written at a time where we had no standing army. Oh also "well regulated" meant organized and established. It had nothing to do with gun laws. Take a history class.
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  575.  @Sdsamurai  Yeah, I'd challenge that last part. Do you understand why the 2nd amendment is written how it is? What is was originally for?
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  576.  @Xean45  But its not an interpretation. Thats the problem. If people actually knew anything about history, they would know the context in which the Constitution was written. The only reason you believe this os you want gun restrictions. Explain to me why. Why do you want to see people die?
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  577.  @Xean45  The second amendment had nothing to do with a foreign invader. It had to do with citizens being allowed to defend themselves against their own government, should it ever become tyrannical. That has NOT passed.
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  578. Uhh no. Most of us do not what guns gone.
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  579.  @quaycee7404  Nope. Because I enjoy collecting guns and shooting for fun. Plus I carry at work
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  580.  @catherineb5441  Then you either bought it in a state that restricts private sales or you bought it from an FFL dealer. I have never had a background check on any of my guns, as there was no legal requirment for one. It is not a lie. You just apparently don't know the law.
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  581. For some.
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  582. No one corrected her because it would have devolved into the private sales at gun shows, which don't need a background check in most states.
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  583.  @sheepdogoutdoors7006  I agree.
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  584. You don't always have to go through a background check at a show. It depends on who and where you are buying. And there is NO psychological test on the purchasing of a firearm. That is unconstitutional. Pro-gun. Just correcting misinformation.
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  585. No, that isn't true. That's only the case if the specific area you are selling in REQUIRES you to be an FFL dealer to sell guns. Many gun shows allow private sellers to sell as well. And they are under NO OBLIGATION to provide a background check.
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  586. Most states do not require anyone to have a gun license to own a gun. You may need a CCL to carry a gun in public. And a majority of states have no background check on private sales. Took me all of 20 minutes to buy my first gun.
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  587.  @night7185 Most states don't have a registry.
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  588. Because being poorly named doesn't equate to being a myth. You do not need a background check in a majority of states in you're buying from a private vendor, who also sell at shows.
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  589. Because it is. Being named poorly doesn't mean ir doesn't exist. It just refers to private sales at shows.
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  590. Yes you can. Thats kind of what they're there for.
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  591.  @xmmedia6808  No, they are also there to sell, and the checks needed would depend on if the person was a citizen or a dealer.
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  592.  @xmmedia6808  Again, that depends on who you are selling from. A majority of states do not have mandatory background checks on private sales, which often take place at gun shows.
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  593.  @xmmedia6808  38 out of 50 put no mandatory background checks on private sales.
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  594.  @xmmedia6808  I know. People at gun shows can either be private citizens or dealers
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  595. That depends entirely on who you buy the firearm from and in what state. Background checks in 35 states are only required if you are purchasing from an FFL dealer. There are no restrictions on private sales in a majority of states.
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  596. Because people dont trust or know your intentions on what you plan to do with it.
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  597. Unless you buy it at a show from a private seller.
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  598. Less a myth and more of a red herring for the actual law. They don't always do background checks. Depends on the type of show and where it is.
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  599. So nobody should have the right to defend themselves from criminals or tyrannical governments?
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  600.  @mennoshouseofmusic1214  It doesnt work. You have vicious bombings, knife attacks and assaults using other weapons. The state of Europe.roght now is abysmal.
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  601.  @mennoshouseofmusic1214  I've lost 3 European friends to stabbings. You live under a totalitarian ruler. In the US we have a right to bare arms.
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  602.  @mennoshouseofmusic1214  Perhaps not in Germany. But it certainly is in other parts of Europe.
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  603.  @mennoshouseofmusic1214  You're absolutely blind if you believe that. It is a right to own guns here and it's a right to be able to protect yourself.
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  604.  @thismeaning9  I tend to have a lot of friends, yes.
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  605. And is also blatantly unconstitutional.
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  606.  @ElysianSounds  Because you cannot withold someone from their constitutional rights on the grounds they fail a psyche test. Most people are mentally ill. Depression, anxiety, OCD, ASD etc. These would all cause a person to fail, yet do not determine whether someone is violent. I have an ASD, depression and anxiety. That doesn't mean I'm incompetent, untrustworthy or violent.
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  607.  @ElysianSounds  Yes absolutely. The problem you face is the slippery slope. There are some people who shouldn't own firearms. But the majority can't be punished for it. The only thing that stops a bad person with guns is a good person with guns.
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  608. Not true. Just depends on who you buy the gun from and where. There is no federal background check on private sales, nor do most states have any restrictions on private sales.
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  609. I have never had to go through a background check at a show. It just depends on where you live and who you buy from.
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  610.  @grosty2353  Only if the person you are buying from is a dealer with an FFL. Private sellers also can sell at shows and most states do not put restrictions on private sellers. Do some research. You make the rest of us who are pro gun look bad
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  611.  @grosty2353  So you clearly haven't done research, because you lack knowledge about the difference between a state sale (ie a dealer) and a private sale.
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  612.  @grosty2353  Private sales are any sale done when the seller does not possess a federal firearms license. Two private citizens. There is no law that states you must have a license to sell guns at a show.
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  613.  @grosty2353  So you understand how you were wrong now?
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  614.  @grosty2353  No, you were confused. My point was to say that you cannot legally purchase a gun from a show without a background check is wrong. You certainly can. It's not a loophole. It's just a form of private sale.
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  615. Depends on the show.
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  616. Only if the vendor selling it to you is a dealer or if you are in a state that restricts private sales.
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  617. I just love this mentality of 'I don't need a gun defend myself' Guess what? Someday you might. Just because you don't have guns doesn't mean your safe. I don't feel threatened in the states. "I know nobody will try to use one on me" No. You don't know that. You just believe that.
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  618.  @ratofvengence  And France has one of the HIGHEST gun ownerships in the world. I wonder why that is. By the way, why do you assume all homicides in the US are caused by guns? They're not.
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  619.  @ratofvengence  I'm guessing you got that information from Wikipedia, because France was 15th in gun ownership in 2018. And that makes up a very small percentage of "gun crime" in the US. Don't live here? Don't have a say.
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  620. Not necessarily. Private sellers sell at shows as well, and do not have to perform a background check. I've never had a background check at a show.
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  621. Depends on who you buy it from.
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  622. Not in most states if the sale is private.
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  623. Thats not a lie more as it is a misunderstanding of the actual laws. The truth is, some gunshows don't perform background checks. But that occurs because the show itself is run by private sellers, as opposed to an FFL dealer. And this also depends on where you live.
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  624. It's not a rumor. It depends on whether you're buying it from a citizen or a dealer.
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  625. There are plenty of gunshows that allow you to purchase firearms just for money. Most gunshows I'm familiar with are private sales, which require no background checks nor a bill of sale.
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  626. As someone who has been to many gunshows and is very pro-gun, the "gun show loophole" just refers to the ability to buy a gun at a show without a background check. And it exists. It just isn't a loophole nor is it restricted to shows
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  627.  @squatguy315  Not always. My state doesn't have concealed weapons permits. Its considered a private sale, which do not have mandatory background checks.
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  628. Eh. I mean it is, its just not a loophole. Its just how private sales work in most states.
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  629.  @Billie_Marie_  That was my whole point. Private sales do occur at gun shows, and because there is no loophole, there is no issue. Gun shows are not stores. You do not have to have an FFL to sell at a show, unless they state your in (or the property the show is on) demands it. I'm not anti gun. I'm pro-gun. I'm just clearing up misinformation
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  630. Most people don't seem to.
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  631. Except, that isn't true. Private vendors often sell at shows, and have no obligation to perform a background check. You're right that the gunshow loophole doesn't exist, but not for the reasons you think.
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  632.  @thadolivetti8362  A private vendor is anyone who does not hold an FFL. In most states, a sale of a firearm between two private parties (i.e. not a dealer) is considered a private sale. Private sales are under no federal law to perform a background check. These sellers can be anywhere including at shows. Buying from them at a show means you can legally buy a firearm without a background check. You only need to provide proof that you are a state resident. I have purchased all of my guns at shows. I have never had a background check because my sales were private, and therefore, has no legal requirements for a background check.
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  633.  @thadolivetti8362  Thats not the case for the majority, which is why I pointed it out to you. 38 out of 50 states do not require a background check on private sales. Thats 76% of the country.
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  634.  @thadolivetti8362  Absolutely agree
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  635. Depends on the state actually. Unless purchasing from a dealer, all you need to buy a gun legally is a state issued ID. No special license, no background check.
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  636. No, not really. But some cops certainly shouldn't be cops, and they make everyone else look bad.
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  637. Because you don't in all cases.
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  638. Most people in the comments are misinformed about gun shows and don't actually understand the difference between federal and state laws/dealer and private gun sales.
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  639. It's not a rumor, but it's also not a loophole. Theres just no background check on private sales.
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  640.  @theskull6037  The "gun show loophole" refers to the ability to buy a gun from private sellers at gun shows without a background check. This is a legal and real thing. So it isnt really a loophole.
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  641.  @theskull6037  I know what your talking about. It doesn't make them correct in describing it.
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  642.  @theskull6037  There is no background check on private sales in most states, so in s sense, she was right. Politicians never tell the truth
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  643.  @theskull6037  Yes it is. Private citizens often sell and trade at gun shows
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  644.  @d23sanders  Depends on who you're buying it from. Many private sellers trade and sell at gun shows and there is no background check in most states on private sales.
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  645. Gun control does not work.
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  646.  @aelita3870  I agree with you on some of those points. We do have a failed government. But we don't have nearly the shootings people claim, and they always take place in gun free zones. We certainly don't fail as a country, or people wouldn't die trying to get here.
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  647. Not if its purchased privately.
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  648.  @joshwhite1606  I mean if the gun is being purchased from a private seller as opposed to an FFL licensed dealer.
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  649.  @joshwhite1606  No its not. If a private citizen sells you a gun, there is no law that requires a background check in most of the states. All 3 guns I own were purchased privately. I have never had a background check.
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  650.  @joshwhite1606  No it's not. There is no background check required on private sales in most states. My first gun was purchased in a bar parking lot. All that was required was the money for the firearm and a state issued ID proving I was a resident in the state of sale.
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  651. You don't in all cases.
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  652. Except that's just not true. Less guns = more cartels and evil people with guns. It is freedom to have one. Guns save lives. Thats why police carry them as well.
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  653.  @Cloudyyyy88  You mean in terms of gun violence? Because you never had access to them. You're not doing okay in terms of violence and homicide. You're homicide rate has continued to increase much more than the US. And by the way, your more likely to survive a shooting than a stabbing. Guns save lives, whether you like it or not.
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  654.  @Cloudyyyy88  Civilans stop more gun violence than police do.
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  655.  @Cloudyyyy88  Its actually not if you take the time to do research. Armed civilians often stop threats more than police do.
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  656. I never got sex or drug education in school
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  657. It's because that is blantely unconstitutional. Where does it end with mental illness? Depression, anxiety and OCD are the most common mental illnesses. The majority has mental illness. What they are suggesting is to prevent anyone who has or has had mental illness from getting a gun. That is against my right to bare arms.
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  658. No there wouldn't and there's no way to prove that. People would commit crimes other ways. In fact, most "crimes" are committed without the use of a weapon at all.
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  659.  @averyp7741  You mean school shootings? Then allow other students to carry and defend themselves. Thats how my school stopped threats. Besides, those are insanely rare, despite what media reports want to tell us. Most crimes are just minor crimes
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  660. Every gun show I've ever been to has 2 types of sellers. FFL dealers, required to perform background checks, and private vendors, who do not. Never had a background check on a gun. Only when I got my CCL
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  661. Not always. Private sales occur at shows.
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  662.  @JDpewpew  Yes it is. Because it is factually incorrect to say that you need a background check to buy a gun at a gunshow.
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  663. Most states do not require licensing to own or purchase a gun. Only to carry. I think that's what he is referring to.
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  664. Yes you can. Private sellers can sell at shows too.
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  665. No. There's just less gun violence
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  666.  @ratofvengence  That doesn't mean they don't have violence. Some countries that have the laxest gun laws have virtually no crime. Also, that doesn't account for population. The UK banned guns and their homicide rate has tripled. Australia has banned guns, but has a huge drug problem.
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  667. There aren't in some cases. That's just not the majority.
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  668.  @playboysizzle8702  Yes you can. Its called a private sale, and more than 30 states have no restrictions on these. Its just more common for people to buy from an FFL dealer, in which background checks are mandatory.
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  669.  @playboysizzle8702  The government can't control that. And I'm not saying they should. I'm 100% pro-gun. I just try to curb misinformation
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  670.  @lindondixon9985  No its not. Please educate yourself.
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  671.  @lindondixon9985  You are wrong. Incredibly wrong in fact. A private sale is any sale of a firearm not done by a dealer. Say, a father selling a gun to his son.
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  672.  @lindondixon9985  A 3rd party can sell a gun to any person without a known felony so long as the person is a resident in the state in which the gun is purchased and you are 18/21 depending on the type of gun. That is a private sale. And in 30 states, which is the majority of the country, that requires NO OTHER restrictions. No background check or bill of sale required. You seriously have no idea how this works.
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  673.  @lindondixon9985  Thank you for researching it. The main issue has less to do with firearms and more to do with poverty and mental health. Guns help the same way they hurt.
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  674. That is not how it works. It's not that EVERYONE has the right to keep an bear arms. That is a ammendment specific to the UNITED STATES Constitution. That applies to American citizens. Other countries rights are dictated by the Constitution on which their country was founded. So no, not everyone has the right to keep and bear arms. But American citizens do.
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  675. You do realize that a psyche test would be unconstitutional right? You cannot barr people from their rights based on maybes. The majority would not pass a psyche test, because the majority of the population suffer some form of mental illness.
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  676. Thats...not entirely accurate. If the gun was legally sold, you are no longer responsible for what happens with it. The muddiness of the laws come into play as a private seller when you don't know the individual, because in some jurisdiction, even if you didn't know the person was a felon, that would not be considered a legal sale. And thus, the blame could fall on you. Plausible deniablity may not be a defense in that case. This is even more difficult when most states do not have any type of gun registry.
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  677. Technically, legally, you could if you were buying from a private seller in most states. But that would sketchy af.
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  678. Except with private sales in most states.
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  679. Except for private sales. Which is not the majority of guns purchased.
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  680. I just want to point out that you DO NOT have to have a background check at gun shows in most states if the sale is private. There is NO MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECK on private sales, which often take place at shows.
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  681. Not necessarily. Private sales happen at gun shows depending on location, and most states do not have background checks for private sales.
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  682. Mass shootings may be more of an American thing, but how is that any better than mass stabbings? The fact of the matter is that right cannot be infringed. If you really think its bad, amend it. See how well that works. What happened again when they restricted alcohol? Oh yeah...
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  683.  @EqualKinks  No its not. Not in 38 states at least. Private sellers quite often sell at gun shows. Especially in more lax gun states. There are no federal laws concerning selling at shows. Only state laws. I'm sorry, but you are grossly misinformed.
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  684. Yes it is. It's just not really a loophole nor is it restricted to shows.
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  685.  @ninponighthawk  I understand that. But not all are. And people need to know it's a case by case basis
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  686. I've been to many gun shows and have purchased 3 firearms. Never had a background check, because my state does not require them unless the seller is an FFL licensed dealer
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  687.  @mafioso1166  Correct. Some are. But you implied that only people with FFL licenses can sell at gun shows, which is just not true.
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  688.  @mafioso1166  California has the strictest gun laws in the country. How'd that work out for Thousand Oaks? You're exactly right. Banning guns does not lower crime rate. People should be allowed to carry. It would prevent these shootings.
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  689. Unless the sale/sales are private.
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  690.  Lizzie Allen  Its a hell of a lot more painful too...
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  691. I think nothing was said about it because it would bring up the conversation of private sales, which do happen at shows and which don't need a background check in most states. That's all this "loophole" is. Maybe they thought that would spawn a whole different conversation they didn't have time for? Just a theory.
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  692.  @JDpewpew  I never said it was a loophole. My point is that you can legally buy a gun at a gunshow without a background check
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  693. I've been to 3 and purchased 3 firearms. Never had a background check. Maybe she thinks most shows are just private sellers.
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  694.  @something3867  No, not really. You don't just flash a card. But most of my state's gun shows are private sellers, so its up to them whether or not a background check is performed.
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  695.  @something3867  Most states don't have gun licenses. They use your drivers to make sure you are who you say you are, have no felonies and are a resident of the state you are buying in.
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  696.  @something3867  No, not really. I'm of the mindset that the more good citizens have guns, the less violence we have.
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  697. No. You must have a background check only if you are purchasing from a dealer. Her point refers to private sales.
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  698. Not if you buy it from a private vendor.
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  699.  @11B30Inf  ...I'm not anti-gun by any means. I'm simply pointing out a fact.
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  700. Except its not. Its just bad nomenclature.
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  701. Sure, compared to a lot of other places its high. But its not high when you actually look at the numbers, especially when 80% of "gun violence" is suicide. No, its if a person comes at me with a gun, I'm on a level playing field. When the cops are 15 minutes away, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. You seem to just want criminals to own guns.
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  702. Yes you can and it does exist. Its just bad nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to private sales at shows.
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  703.  @jacobhuffstetler8991  The problem is you do not have to be a dealer to run a booth. Some booths are run by private citizens.
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  704. You are more likely to be knocked over by a drunk than you are to be shot in the US.
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  705. Depends on who and where you're buying it from.
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  706. Mass shootings are not performed with machine guns, which aren't even legal anyways, so why take them away? Most shootings are done with handguns.
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  707. There is. If you're buying from a dealer. Private sales do not require anything but a state ID most places.
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  708.  @matty_mccarthy  Nothing on the part of the buyer.
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  709.  @red3768  I'm talking about anyone who is selling a gun without an FFL license. It is not required at gunshows in most states if you're not buying from a dealer. I have never had a background on my guns, but that's because they were purchased privately.
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  710. It depends on who you're buying from.
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  711.  @user-iz7fj1zj7z  Private sales are not illegal and don't require a background check.
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  712.  @qcwred  That absolutely can be a vendor at a show. There is no federal law that prohibits private vendors from selling at shows. Those laws are left up to the states.
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  713.  @andrewlee4353  Most guns used in shootings are bought legally, but then are gotten illegally by shooters.
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  714.  @qcwred  I'm well aware of that. But that includes at shows. This is not a loophole. Its simply the law.
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  715.  @andrewlee4353  No. At least, not in the way its presented.
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  716.  @andrewlee4353  Exactly.
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  717. Depends on the state and who your buying from. Never had a background check at a show.
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  718.  @tuub1281  They make perfect sense. Their point was enacting gun laws will do nothing for gun crime. You will make it harder for honest, law abiding citizens to own and carry and make it easier for criminals.
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  719.  @tuub1281  But your operating under this false pretense that decreasing guns will decrease the amount of weapons available to criminals. That is NOT reality. When you restrict something, you INCREASE the availability to those who don't care for the law. Look at Prohibition. Banning guns, or limiting access to guns makes it easier to put them in criminal hands. Look at drugs.
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  720.  @tuub1281   Tuub  Drugs at one time were legal. When they were outlawed, you gave rise to cartels. Except that isn't true. Less guns "in general" (which I assume you mean in the country) equals more guns for criminals. Again, you give rise to cartels, and you force people who would be law abiding citizens with no alternative but to buy illegally. No. When you restrict guns, less GOOD people get to own guns. It does nothing for criminals, because they'll get them anyway. Most of the guns sold in the US are NOT produced here. They are imported. What you are describing is absolute fairytale nonsense. If your idea were true, then when drugs were banned, people would have stopped having access to them. But guess what? They didn't. They got them from outside sources or they made them themselves. That is absoulte horseshit. I can tell you don't live in a country where guns are available. Also no, that's not how that works. You cannot compare countries. Its fallacious. Your economics, crime rate, and culture are all different. Its funny you bring up guns targeting other criminals, as thats the same in the US. The vast majority of REAL gun crime in the US are gang related. Not murder of innocent people. That number also counts for suicide and accidental discharge. You act like being shot is the worst way to die.
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  721. There are plenty of liberals who do want to ban all guns, not allowing any citizen to purchase a firearm.
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  722. You won't necessarily though because private sales occur at shows as well.
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  723.  @ukraineinvasionnews7792  I have been to several gun shows. In fact, all of my guns were purchased at gun shows. Its not that rare depending on thr state. Nearly all gun shows in my state are made up of private vendors, thus don't require background checks. Its up to the vendor whether they want to conduct one or not.
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  724.  @ukraineinvasionnews7792  Yep. In fact, I never had a background check on any of my guns. I only had a background check when I got my CCL. BUT all of my guns were purchased from private vendors, and I am very well aware that other shows consist of FFL dealers, and require a background check under federal law. Just depends on what state you're in and who you're buying from.
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  725. No, not necessarily. To buy a gun in most states, all you need is a state ID.
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  726. No, that isn't true. Private sales do not require background checks in most states
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  727. Sometimes.
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  728.  @dluvv19761  Depends on the state.
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  729.  @CaptainCocaine  Federal law only applies to FFL dealers. Everything else is handled by the state
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  730.  @CaptainCocaine  Yes they are because most states have 0 restrictions on them. Which means no background check. I agree there's no gun show loophole. Private sales aren't restricted to shows.
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  731.  @CaptainCocaine  You're original comment was that there are background checks at gun shows. This is not always true, which is why I commented. Gun shows CAN have background checks, depending on who's selling. What the "gunshow loophole" refers to is the private sale of firearms at shows, which are exempt from background checks in most scenarios.
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  732.  @CaptainCocaine  Yes it is. All I was pointing out is that in someplaces there aren't. I don't disagree that there is no loophole.
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  733.  @CaptainCocaine  Any of the 36 states that do not put restrictions on private sales and in those states, any show with private vendors. We are in agreement.
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  734.  @CaptainCocaine  I never said that a gunshow had only private sellers. Although the one I went when I purchased mine did. What I was saying was that 36 states put no restrictions on private sales, and that private vendors often sell at shows in these states. I can only give you my personal experience.
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  735.  @CaptainCocaine  What I meant was there are vendors at many gun shows that don't do background checks. Not that shows in general don't run them. I will say that no show I personally have been to have FFL dealers that sell, but they're relatively small and I've only been to 2.
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  736. Yes you can. Just depends on who you're buying from and where. All of my guns were purchased at shows. Never had a background check.
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  737.  @tunerimports  No, thats where your wrong. You do not have to have an FFL license to sell at a gun show. Private sellers often sell at shows, and there is no mandatory background check on private sales of firearms.
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  738. Neither does the US.
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  739.  @ElysianSounds  Yes. Because it doesn't. Sorry if the media has fooled you into thinking we do.
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  740. I've never had a background check on any firearm I've purchased at shows. Depends on who and where you're buying from.
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  741. What do you define as mental issues? Nearly 70% of the country has mental issues. You more than likely have some yourself, even if mild.
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  742.  @Study49-yt  I have clinical depression, ptsd, and severe anxiety. I have nevee been violent towards anyone. I should have a right to own a firearm just like anyone else.
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  743. I really hope your not actually for defunding police. Remove the bad cops. Change the laws that protect them. But don't place blame on the majority of law enforcement that want to help. BLM can be incredibly toxic, although they have mostly good people and a pure message. But threatening violence in response to violence gets no one anywhere.
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  744. Because there is no such thing as "pro gun reform". Restrictions on guns is not pro-gun.
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  745.    Same answer. Because gun law reform does nothing for gun crime.
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  746.    No, because there isn't. There is no way to get rid of guns. Better for good people to have them.
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  747.    Adding more restrictions will not fix that. Put them into law abiding citizens hands. Get rid of gun free zones. Allow people to carry.
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  748.    The measures you take to keep guns out of criminals hands WILL NOT affect criminals. They will only affect law abiding citizens. Whether or not they are caught doesn't make a difference.
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  749.    No, I just live here and understand that there isn't a problem. Why do you believe there is? You have a better chance of being run over with a car then you do being shot.
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  750.    So in other words, you refuse to provide any evidence there's a gun crime problem.
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  751. I think the point then would have been that not everyone at shows are dealers.
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  752.  @Dj.843  No, I completely agree. You just need to be careful on how you put things, because it makes us look weak when we spread misinformation.
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  753. Its not a lie. Its just a misunderstanding of the actual law.
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  754. And I've never had a background check on any of the three guns I've purchased. Depends on where and who you are buying from.
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  755. Because if we're going by what it refers to, which is private sales at gun shows not requiring a background check, then its not a myth. Its just terribly named fearmongering.
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  756.  @conradmerrywether9438  That may be true in your state, but is not the case for the majority. I live in a state that neither registers guns nor has mandatory background checks on private sales. As I said, most gun laws are delt with on a state level. Not a federal one.
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  757. Only if you're buying from a dealer. Most states have no restrictions on private sales which frequently occur at shows.
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  758. I have. Just depends on who's selling you the gun.
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  759. Probably because you can. They just aren't well educated on what a gun show is and the difference between a dealer sale and a private sale.
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  760. You do not need a background check at a show unless the firearm is from an FFL dealer. Private sellers at shows are under no obligation to provide a background check.
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  761.  @8ing8ong78  Not true, but whatever. Obviously yes, with more people the murder rate will be higher.
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  762.  @oldsoul695  Because the culture and demographics are different.
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  763. The banning of a firearm is not going to stop a criminal from using a firearm. That's not a strawman. That's a fact. A robber is a lot less likely to rob a house with an armed occupant than an occupant that has no firearm. Will a gun kill more people? Yeah probably. But what the hell is a firearm ban going to do? Look at Europe. Criminals still have guns, and those that dont use knives, fire and acid.
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  764. The problem with this statement is it only applies, in most states, to dealers. Those that hold an FFL. Private sellers aren't bound to this, and are under no federal obligation to provide a background check.
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  765.  @rob101ization  And yet, their homicide rates are higher than some of the most lax gun areas. Maybe because people won't stop being violent just because you disarm them of guns.
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  766. "Mass shootings don't get prevented by other guns" That's because a majority of gun related homicides and mass shootings occur in states with the strictest gun laws on law abiding citizens.
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  767.  @jkim1241  Gun shows do not require background checks in 75% of the country, unless you are buying from a dealer (i.e. someone who holds an FFL). Also, it is not a crime to sell to a known mentally ill person. No law prevents a mentally ill person without any criminal background from purchasing a firearm. Not only would that be unconstitutional, most of the population could not then be sold to. You do not have to be a dealer to sell at a show. You must be a dealer to operate a store as your primary income, and must hold an FFL.
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  768. I don't know any show that limits the number of firearms you can purchase. That may be a state thing, but its certainly not a federal law. Also, no you don't need a background check in a majority of states unless you are purchasing from a dealer. This is also a state by state thing. Also incorrect, on a federal level. Its 18 across the board for all guns (some even 16) except for handguns, which is 21.
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  769.  @mrc8915  Your state may place restrictions then. Indiana only requires a state ID if you're buying privately.
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  770. I mean...you can though. Its called a private sale. I just think anti-gunners think that all shows are like that.
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  771. I have yet to buy a firearm at a gunshow where I needed a background check. You either live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales, or you bought your guns from a dealer.
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  772.  @guardmanonduty5139  That's cool. I live in Indiana, which is probably the most liberal state on guns.
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  773. "You have to have a background check for every legal purchase of a firearm" No. You don't. Not everyone who sells at shows are dealers. That depends on where you live. Where I'm from, shows are nearly made up entirely of third party sellers, as they sell cheaper than a store. And in a vast majority of the country, you need only valid ID that proves you are a resident of the state you are residing in to legally purchase a firearm. Background checks are not required.
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  774. Not in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from.
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  775. @The 40 Year Old Nerdgin You do not have to run a check if you rent a table. You only have to run a check if you are an FFL licensed dealer. Private parties often sell and trade at shows as well.
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  776. No you don't. Not in all cases.
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  777.  @zachfuller6593  Look up the difference between federal and state laws. Gun shows do not require you to hold an FFL to sell, and most states but no restrictions on private sellers.
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  778.  @zachfuller6593  You should just look at the law difference between private and FFL sales. I've personally never had a background check on any gun show sales, but all my sales were private. Look up private seller laws.
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  779. Most states don't have a conceal carry license actually. You can usually find private sellers at shows.
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  780.  @puffpuffpoppy  38 out of 50 put no restrictions on private sales. So they absolutely sell privately at most shows. Whil this is anecdotal, I have never been to a show that didn't have both private sellers and dealers. I understand that you cannot sell a firearm over state lines. I work for the police department. I also know these laws well.
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  781.  @puffpuffpoppy  A background check for a private sale never needs a background check legally, unless the state puts restrictions on private sales. If the person unknowningly sells a firearm to a felon, they are in no trouble. The trouble comes from when you sell a firearm to a known felon. All gun sales require you to show a valid state ID, private or dealer. What she said is a person could walk into a gun show, slap down a large sum of money, and purchase firearms. No, that probably wouldn't happen. People would find that suspicious. But could you legally do that? Yes. My argument is that while poorly named, its quite easy and frequent to purchase a gun without a background check.
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  782.  @puffpuffpoppy  And my point to that was that some states do not have CCW. You can't get a conceal carry license in a state that doesn't have one. For example, Indiana has no conceal carry license. We are an open carry state.
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  783. Psychological tests would be unconstitutional. What do you qualify as unstable? Thats a slippery slope that could deny mentally ill, but stable, people from their constitutional rights on the belief they MIGHT turn violent.
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  784.  random guy  Because you cannot ban people from their constitutional right on the ground that they do not want to share personal information
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  785. Yes...but he did it with the knowledge knowing he wasn't purchasing privately. He was purchasing from those who hold an FFL. So...really kinda biased. Gun show loophole still doesn't exist.
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  786. Yes you can. Just buy it privately. Valid state ID is all you need. No bill of sale or background check.
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  787.  @alexandertilson7081  No. Not everyone who sells at gun shows is an FFL dealer. Plenty of private citizens sell at shows. I myself have sold privately at shows, and have also purchased from shows. I would advise you do some research
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  788.  @Bob-sx7iv  Guns save more lives than they take. I'm not a defeatist, nor do I think the only way to defend yourself is with a gun.
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  789.  @Bob-sx7iv  Gee, and I wonder how many of those were suicides? 80% of them probably.
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  790. Because not having guns at all would completely stop all violent crime right? Oh wait...
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  791. Not so much a myth as it is poorly named.
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  792.  @LoreEclectic  To be fair, its not a loophole. That implies that it gets around the law. Which it doesn't. That's what the law is
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  793.  @lucasnoahiassogna7842  Not a myth, just bad nomenclature. Also, background checks are only mandatory if your buying them from a dealer.
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  794. The badly named "gun show loophole" doesn't apply to dealers. It applies to private sellers.
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  795. You don't need a background check in the majority of states to purchase a firearm if to ou str purchasing it from a private seller.
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  796.  @domgruver  I own 3 firearms, 2 rifles and a handgun. I have never had a background check and it has literally taken me all of about 2 hours to get all 3. My state has no restrictions on private sales.
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  797. Private sales happen at shows and do not have background checks in most states.
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  798. It would actually slow down mass shootings if you took away gun free zones and made it easier in some states to get a gun. Allowing good citizens to carry guns will deter mass shooters. My school is open carry for this reason.
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  799. The problem with that is the so called "gunshow loophole" refers specifically to private sales of firearms at gunshows that do not require a background check. This is quite common. You'd be more accurate to say its a poorly named red herring than it straight up doesn't exist.
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  800.  @quaidmoore7997  There are differences and it lies in who you're buying from. Some require background checks, others do not.
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  801. So here's also the thing. There is no law dictating who can sell at shows. A vendor can either be a dealer, someone who owns an FFL, or some citizen who wants to sell their wares. Texas is one of the 38 states that places no restrictions on private sales. If I walk up to a stall that is a citizen, they are under no legal obligation to give me a background check. All 3 of my guns have been purchased at shows. Never have I had a background check. This is the "gunshow loophole". Its a terrible name for a private sale at a show.
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  802. So I guess the thousands of lives saved by good people with guns don't matter huh?
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  803. It is not false, but it also really isnt a loophole nor is it restricted to gun shows. It refers to private sales not requiring background checks.
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  804.  @colehayden1021  Private sales do not require background checks in most states.
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  805.  @colehayden1021  you didn't post a link. I assume you were posting a link to a video of them "proving" the gun show loophole false. That doesn't mean it is. Background checks are only mandatory by law if you're buying them from a dealer.
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  806. The vendors only need to perform a check if they hold an FFL. Private sellers can vend at shows too, and those laws fall to the states.
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  807. Not in all cases. Background checks are only mandatory if you're buying from a dealer or if your state restricts private sales.
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  808.  @Nanofuture87  Uhh yes it does. Private sales can happen anywhere, including at gun shows.
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  809.  @Nanofuture87  Then we agree. Okay, I got confused.
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  810. Depends on who you're buying the guns from.
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  811. You dont need a God and a religion that places 0 value on life in order to respect life.
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  812. I have never had a background check at any show, but my sales were private.
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  813. The gun show loophole is real. Its just extremely misnamed. It refers to the private sales of firearms at shows, which requires no background check. This can and does happen. But its a poor name because a) its not a loophole and b) it doesn't just occur at shows.
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  814. But it is. I mean sure, it would be sketchy as hell, but legal in most states. Depends on who you're buying it from
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  815.  @TylerrFTW  Personally, I have never been to a gunshow where the majority are licensed dealers. Then again, I live in one of the most liberal gun states. I understand that the gun show loophole is a weak argument. Most of the "gun crime" in this country shouldn't even be counted, as its suicides and accidental discharges.
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  816. 1. The more good people have a gun the less good people are killed with a gun. Ever wonder why mass shootings happen in gun free zones or in heavily gun restricted states? 2. No universal reason. And as far as armed forces grade weapons, those aren't readily available to the general public and have never been used in mass shootings.
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  817.  @waynebennett745  1. Yeah no. There are certainly people who can and do misuse guns, but it certainly doesnt happen like that. 2. If the issue is mass shootings, then you do need to look at rifles and pistols, ESPECIALLY handguns, as nearly all mass shootings are performed with hand guns.
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  818.  IssyFishyy  I am pro-gun.
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  819. You do have a knife problem in Europe. Oh, and people running each other over. And acid and fire attacks. Because those are so much better than being shot.
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  820.  @sirsmokalot073  The US has seen a decrease in homicides over the last years where as places in Europe saw an increase. America has more cartels and gangs
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  821. That is not true. Stricter laws would only work with law abiding citizens.
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  822.  @thatguybob6088  Its extremely easy to get guns illegally. Banning them would make them inaccessible to legal citizens
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  823.  @thatguybob6088  This is pretty simple. I live in Indiana. I legally purchase a firearm here and then drive to Illinois. That gun is now illegal. Most mass shootings are done with legally purchased firearms. Most crimes are committed with illegal firearms (usually because the person is not legally allowed to own a gun)
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  824.  @thatguybob6088  If we had stricter gunlaws nationwide, mass shootings and gun homicides would skyrocket. People who wanted guns would go to the underground market, just like they did during prohibition. Remind me how well it worked when we banned alcohol? Hows that drug war coming? That part is on you, not me. Do your own research. If I posted statistics here, you would denounce them as non credible based on your bias. Find websites that you deem credible and go from there. A majority of gunowners are probably mentally ill, as a majority of the population are mentally ill: depression and anxiety being the most common. Stricter gun laws would make it harder for people to obtain guns legally. Thats why people turn to illegal arms dealing. Tell me something. Why do mass shootings and the most gun related homicide happen in states or areas that are gun-free zones or have strict gun laws?
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  825.  @thatguybob6088  No, I do have an argument, and that is why gun legislation has been continuously shot down. Because we don't have a gun problem here. The media only tells you we do.
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  826.  @thatguybob6088  The fact remains that states and areas that allow open carry have fewer mass shootings and gun homicides than those that have strict gun laws. Not only that, but most "gun deaths" are suicide and accidental discharge. Not homicide. By the way, there is no law against drinking while pregnant. It just isn't advised.
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  827. Yes it is. Here it is. And you know what stops bad people with guns? Good people with guns.
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  828.  @wifi2166  Because taking guns away solves everything right? We just ignoring the fact that homicide and drug rates doubled in Australia, so much so the government bought back 60% of its guns?
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  829.  @wifi2166  Any source I provided you, you would claim wasn't true. So go do your own research. Find a source thats reliable to you.
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  830. Not if the sale is private.
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  831. Depends on who your buying it from. 35 states put no restrictions on private sales, and private sellers often sell and trade at gun shows.
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  832. Meh...its technically true. But its not a loophole, nor is it restricted to gunshows. More like terribly named
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  833. But that doesn't work
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  834.  @harlenmitchell4577  Making it stricter to get a firearm would only make it harder for those who want to honestly obtain them harder. It will not lower crime rates.
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  835. It doesn't happen very much in America.
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  836. Most states do not have a gun license. If you go to a gun show, and buy from a private citizen, there is no background check, nor paperwork.
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  837.  @ImaBeAFK  Once again, that isn't true. There are states without CCL's, open carry states. If you buy a gun privately, you can take it home same day without a background check. Thats in the same state, so if the gun is legal already, its already registered. You would need a background check only if your transferring it across state lines. Then you would need the correct paperwork. Understand the difference between the laws of a FFL sale and a private sale.
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  838.  @ImaBeAFK  38 out of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. Many people who sell at shows are not FFL dealers. You need no background check or bill if sale. Simply a valid state ID.
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  839. No, increasing gun laws only increases that fear. That's why these mass shootings happen in gun free zones and in states where they're strict on guns
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  840. You don't in all cases. Depends on who and where. Private sales occur at shows.
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  841. More a red herring and poorly named.
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  842. Depends on where you're buying them.
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  843.  @sammyclause  No it isnt. Not if you're buying it from a private seller. Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, record the sale, or ask for identification, whether at a gun show or other venue.
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  844.  @sammyclause  gun shows are private sellers.
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  845.  @sammyclause  Yes you can, if you find the right seller. Though I'm of the opinion they wouldn't sell you 20 guns, not because they can't, but because it would be highly suspicious.
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  846. But it doesn't reduce the damage.
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  847.  @jamess7533  It doesn't save lives. It ends more.
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  848.  @jamess7533  Because "having less or no guns" only applies to those who follow the law. A criminal wouldn't care. I stand a much better chance if I have a gun as well. By the way, guns save so many lives. Way more than they take in homicides.
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  849.  @jamess7533  There is no country that is not a dictatorship where guns are illegal. But think about this. The states with the lowest firearm related homicides have the least restricted gun laws.
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  850. So basically, only allow criminals access to guns. Thats nice.
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  851. I wouldn't call it a loophole but it does exist in most states. It's simply the lack of a background check on private sales, like the ones done at gunshows.
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  852. Not always. Only those with FFLs require mandatory background checks. On a federal level.
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  853. They don't always. That depends on where and who you're buying from. All of my guns have been purchased at shows, and I have never had a background check. Private vendors can and do sell at shows and most states put no restrictions on private sales.
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  854. Took me about 45 minutes to get my first firearm. There was no steps other than showing a state issued license. My state is one of the majority that puts no restrictions on private sales.
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  855. No, actually. You have a much higher survival chance of being shot than stabbed. Stabbings result in greater injury to blood vessels. Gunshots are very contained.
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  856. Perhaps because you don't see the rest of the puzzle pieces? Like the population, culture, and that most of those "gun crimes" are suicides.
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  857. And that is why conceal carry is a thing.
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  858. You don't have to go through an FFL. You could just find a private seller.
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  859. Yes you can, if the proveyer you are buying it from is a private party. At least in 35 states. My first handgun was purchased at a bar parking lot without any background check or bill of sale.
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  860. Took me 45 minutes to purchase a handgun.
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  861. Not for private sales.
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  862.  @BarnicleBill  Private sales occur all the time at gun shows. I've never had a background check at a show because of this. Not saying its a loophole.
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  863. Shootings will happen even if you ban guns. Criminals do not care about the law.
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  864. Thats just because it isn't a loophole. It refers to private sales at shows.
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  865. I think they're referring to background checks on private sales, which there is none in most states.
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  866. That isnt true. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a gun show from a private seller and I've never had a background check because there is no mandatory check on private sales in most states. You getting a background check at a show depends on who you're buying it from and what state you're in.
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  867. Its just not a loophole. It refers to private sales of firearms at shows.
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  868. The gun show loophole does exist. It just simply isn't a loophole and is a red herring. All its referring to is legal, private sales at gunshows. There is no state that will arrest you for asking to purchase a gun without a background check. They will arrest you if you try to leave without it. But many states don't require a background check (even at shows) if you are not buying from a dealer. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a show. Never did I have a background check. But my guns were purchased privately in a state that puts no restrictions on private sales. The issue is that so many people think all shows are private sellers when that isn't the case.
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  869. There is no gunshow loophole because the law they're talking about is not a loophole nor restricted to shows. You do not have to do a background check in most states unless you are buying from a firearms dealer. Someone who holds an FFL. That is the federal law. Everything else is a state by state basis. I have never had a background check on any firearm I purchased. But my guns were purchased from a private seller.
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  870.  @drhaxknows6021  That isn't true for most states though
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  871. They're homicide rate has nearly tripled
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  872. Though it would look shady as hell, I'm sure you can find someone who would.
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  873. Not if the vendor is a private seller.
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  874. How the hell do people not know that private sales are a thing that can happen at shows and DO NOT require background checks in most states?
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  875. Probably because then someone would have mentioned private sales at shows, which is what the supposed "gunshow loophole" refers to.
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  876.  @Inhale422  That is not true. No where in the federal law does it demand that a vendor at a show must hold an FFL. That is strictly a state law and a venue thing. Quite often, people who sell at gun shows are NOT FFL dealers and do not provide background checks. This is how all of my guns were purchased. I'm not sure where you pulled that you must have an FFL to sell at a show.
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  877. You'll say that until you need one
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  878. Have you ever bought a gun? Because I can assure you that you can buy guns at a gun show without a background check. Just depends on who and where you're buying.
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  879. Or is aware of private sales.
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  880.  @dungeonsanddragonshomebrew3165  Not if the sale is private in 30 states.
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  881. And most of those are suicides.
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  882. Except they don't on private sales. And many private sellers sell at gun shows.
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  883. Funny, because I've had the opposite experience. Never been to a gun show that gave me a background check. Just depends on where you live and who you're buying from.
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  884. In the US, ownina gun is your amendment right. It is NOT a privilege.
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  885. Depends on the state and who you're buying from.
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  886. Your homicide rates have tripled over the last several years while the US has steady decline. Sure, gun death is minimal. But your knife crime is absurd on top of your acid attacks and fire bombings. Getting rid of all guns protects no one. You are more likely to be killed by a gun if you own one. From suicide and accidental discharge. Not homicide. We don't have a gun problem. We have a mental illness problem.
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  887. You mean buying guns at a show without a background check? Its pretty easy. Find a private vendor. All of mine were purchased that way.
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  888.  @marcotucker3431  But thats what the supposed "gunshow loophole" refers to. Private sales at shows.
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  889.  @marcotucker3431  So what do you think it refers you? Because I just gave you the definition.
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  890.  @marcotucker3431  Okay, you're still not explaining to me. What do you think the gunshow loophole is?
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  891.  @marcotucker3431  political term in the United States referring to the sale of firearms by private sellers, including those done at gun shows, that do not meet federal background check requirements. So explain to me what YOU think it is. Because all this so called loophole refers to is private sales at shows.
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  892.  @marcotucker3431  I absolutely agree.
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  893. Depends on the situation.
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  894. Only a state ID. No background check is required in most states, unless you a buying from an FFL dealer.
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  895. Actually, that depends entirely on what the felony was for. And on top of that, if you are a minor who commits a felony and are charged as an adult (usually 16 or older), you can appeal to the court to have either your record expunged or your charges dropped to a misdemeanor. By the way, felons do lose the right to vote as well. But this can be changed too. The problem is that stricter gun laws don't protect people. They hurt people. Because criminals do not care about the law.
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  896.  @HalfMoeHalfAmazing  No, even after they're relased, the state decides whether or not they can vote in state elections and they are barred from voting in federal elections as well. These are all the rights anyone convicted of a felony will lose. – Voting rights – Serving on a jury – Traveling abroad – Owning firearms or ammunition – Certain types of employment – Parental rights If you have a felony, that is no one's fault but your own. Appeal to the court. Most people who committed mass shootings gave extremely obvious signs of problems. Mental health is ignored.
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  897.  @HalfMoeHalfAmazing  Then the state chose to give you those rights back, which I stated it has the right to do. It also has the right to deny you that right. Its called disenfranchisement. You lost your right to bare arms because you had proven you are not capable of being trusted with one. Stop bitching about how you lost that right. You didn't. Appeal to the higher courts. Appeal to your state. If they choose to not let you own a firearm, its probably for a damn good reason. You have no one to blame but yourself.
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  898.  @HalfMoeHalfAmazing  Except it is a right. A right that every citizen has until they have done something against someone else's rights. If you want to go that route, then you have no rights. You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater. You cannot vote if you are a felon unless that state grants you that right. You cannot practice a harmful behavior even if it qualifies as religion.
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  899.  @pontusbeats7567  Because making them illegal would spike them, not lower them. Gun violence ISN'T a big problem here. You ar 21x more likely to die in a car crash than be shot. Guns save lives.
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  900. "Restrict it to sane people" What's your definition of "sane?" A majority of this country is mentally ill, depression and anxiety being the most common. Where would you draw the line? Go too far, and it violates my constitutional rights.
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  901. But you do not have to be a firearms dealer to sell at a show, and private sales do not need background checks in most states.
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  902.  @brandonpaugh922  if the sale is through a dealer, then the sale usn't private.
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  903.  @kawikak7730  No you don't, unless of course, you are buying from a dealer. Or if your state puts restrictions on private sales.
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  904.  @kawikak7730  No you don't. All three of my guns were purchased legally at shows. And never have I had a background check. All of my sales were private, and my state puts no restrictions on private sales.
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  905.  @kawikak7730  I meant restrictions as in waiting periods or background checks.
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  906.  @kawikak7730  So why are you arguing with me that you can't buy guns at shows without background checks?
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  907. The gun show loophole refers to the ability to buy guns at a show without a background check. This has never been disproven, because it's a very real occurance. I'm not anti gun, but when you spread false information, you discredit yourself.
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  908. But they don't in all cases
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  909.  @liamcherry680  But they don't if its a private sale.
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  910.  @BigT1984  I've never had a background check on any gun I've purchased. Private sales can happen anywhere and are not legally obligated to provide a background check in most states. Thats not a loophole. Its just state law.
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  911.  @BigT1984  I understand. What I was pointing out is that this law is a state by state thing. So she may have gone to a show with private dealers and saw then leave without a background check, which is where she got that idea.
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  912.  @BigT1984  I understand. My point was that the majority of states do not.
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  913.  @BigT1984  I know.
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  914. But that wasn't what she said. I mean, she's still ignorant, but you can buy a gun from a private citizen and not have a background check.
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  915. Not true. You can legally buy a gun at a show in most states if the person you are buying from is a private seller. Background checks are mandatory only on those who hold an FFL.
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  916.  @shadowtyphoonCH  Nope, not true. I have never had a background check from any gun I have ever purchased, and all of mine were purchased at shows. Private sellers are also allowed to sell at shows. No law requires you to hold an FFL to sell at a show. Only if you are buying from someone who has an FFL license do you legally require a background check in most states. The "gunshow loophole" still doesn't exist. It's just language for legal private sales at shows.
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  917. Not if the sale is private.
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  918. Depends on who you're buying the firearms from. While I doubt a private seller would sell 20 guns at once, because that's suspicious as hell, they are not under any federal obligation to perform a background check in most of the states.
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  919. Because its not so much a myth as it is bad nomenclature.
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  920.  @stevenlerch8584  And statistically speaking, had you had a gun, you would have dramatically increased your chances of survival.
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  921. There are plenty of people from other countries that wish protection for themselves was a right.
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  922. You mean the country that has bought back nearly 60% of its guns? Uh-huh.
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  923.  @infernobear6009  And that just proves how little research you do. Maybe if someone were to ever hold you at gunpoint, having your own wouldn't look so scary.
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  924. I've also been to gun shows and have never had a background check. Depends on who is selling the gun and where.
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  925.  @parthenon5106  Thats not illegal. Its considered a private sale. Private sales have no manadatory federal background checks. So, no. You don't
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  926.  @parthenon5106  Selling to anyone you do not know is a fellon without a background check is completely legal in 35 of 50. You can't KNOWINGLY sell to a felon
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  927.  @parthenon5106  No, that isn't you said. You said it was illegal to sell a gun without a background check. And you were wrong
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  928.  @parthenon5106  In the comment you deleted where you told me it was illegal to sell at gun shows without a background check.
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  929. Not necessarily you don't. Private sales take place at gun shows all the time, and there is no background check required for private sales.
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  930. You can't get rid of guns. That's a physical impossibility. No, making guns easier to obtain for law abiding citizens will help drastically lower mass shootings.
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  931.  @xtrey4437  Uhhh. Yes there are. Private sales are under no legal obligation to do background checks in a majority of states.
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  932. Not so much a false narrative as it is a red herring.
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  933. The only thing I disagree on is yhr background checks. Background checks are only required if purchasing from a dealer. Private sales are under no such restrictions in most states.
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  934. That would only do more damage.
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  935. Not on private sales.
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  936. In most places you can. Just find a private seller.
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  937. Thats a system that can be easily abused, is up to interpretation and would be horribly misused
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  938.  @Neotype33  No. The death penalty has never been a deterrent, and that has been continuously proven. By the way, even with an appeal system in place, it would still be abused. Let me pose to you a scenario: A person you do not know walks onto your property. You feel threatened because they have a weapon on them and shoot them, killing them. Would you classify this as self-defense? Because any logical court would not. Some courts don't even run the self-defense line even when a person enters your house, as long as you have a means of escape. By your law, they would be put to death. Does that sound reasonable to you?
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  939.  @Neotype33  Actually, even if a gun is pointed at you, in some courts, that STILL wouldn't be self-defense. Self-defense is when you are cornered and have no other option other than to fight back. If you honestly believe thats reasonable, or that your vision would somehow make the justice system better, you are deluded.
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  940.  @Neotype33  You shoot to stop a threat. If someone points a gun at you, and you can't get away, then you shoot to stop an active threat. I work with police for a living. I don't think its okay to point a gun at someone and never said that.
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  941.  @Neotype33  It was only to provide context and to show you I understood what you meant. I'm certainly not the absolute authority.
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  942. No you don't. Practice what you preach and get educated.
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  943. What do you define as mentally unstable? 60% of the population has mental illness. Should I be denied my rights because I have autism? Or depression?
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  944.  @valfromtheblock  Oh, so I lose my rights because of a mental disorder I can't control? Sounds a lot like discrimination.
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  945. Not true. Private sales have no restrictions on guns in most states, and they happen at shows all the time. You don't need a background check on a private sale in 75% of the country.
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  946. You are one of the ones spreading misinformation. Because it does exist. Although it really isnt a loophole. It refers to private sales at gun shows, where no background check is necessary in most states.
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  947. Yeah okay. Let me just invite the person trying to harm me to come about 10 feet from me so it'll reach. Sounds like a plan.
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  948. Its not always required to buy a gun. It depends on what state you're in and whether the vendor holds an FFL license. Also no. If that gun is purchased legally, then the person who sold it to you is NOT LIABLE unless they sold it to you knowing it was illegal for you to have one. Could you please actually learn the law before commenting?
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  949.  @bret3925  You're comment said nothing about licensed vendors. You said ALL vendors. That's not true. By the way, I wasn't bashing you.
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  950.  @bret3925  You're referring to FFL dealers, which I am perfectly aware of. My point was not all "vendors" at a gun show are dealers. You do not need an FFL license to sell at a show. Those sales are considered private and do not require a background check.
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  951.  @bret3925  I'm sorry that you don't use proper language, because a vendor would be anyone selling a firearm. The word you should of used to be correct would be dealer. I know full well what the law is. Its my job.
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  952. I think she is referring to the misunderstanding with private sales.
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  953. That isn't true though. Private sales do not need background checks in most states. Being badly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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  954. Yeah. Where the homicide rate has tripled and there's vast amounts of fire bombings and stabbings.
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  955. Not really. Private sales exist. So more of a kinda situational half-truth.
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  956.  @a1cdrennon  Not really. Private sales happen at shows as well.
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  957. Because being anti-gun prevents violence. Okay. Tell the cops next time you need them not to bring their guns. See how that goes.
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  958.  @minty6347  Yeah, and thats why they had to ban knives when their knife violence nearly tripled. To the point that the homicide rate of London was WORSE than that of the NYC. Britain did not invent a police force. Forces akin to public defense have been around for millennia. And actually, there are not only states, but countries that allow open carry that have lower violent crime rates than GB. We don't have a gun violence epidemic, and its sad that you've fallen for that crap. Also no. A vast majority of gun control advocates are pushing for an outright ban on firearms.
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  959. Not if the sale is private. Federal background checks only apply to FFL dealers. The rest is left up to the state.
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  960. Yes there is. Poor nomenclature doesn't equate to non-existence. It refers to private sales at shows.
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  961. The top three countries with the lowest crime rates have open carry. The states that have the highest gun homicides have the strictest gun laws.
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  962. Depends on the state. While I've never heard of someone buying 20 guns at a time, 3rd party vendors often sell at shows here. They don't give background checks.
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  963. Depends on the show. I'm by no means rich, and have never had a background check at a show.
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  964. Depends on the state and if you're buying from a FFL licensed purveyor or a private seller.
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  965. Or been to shady private dealings...
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  966. Its poorly named.
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  967. Its not any less safe to walk outside in the US than it is in Europe. And just as a side note, much less painful to be shot than stabbed. Since you know. You had to ban knives because of stabbing epidemics.
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  968. Its not so much a myth as it is poorly named. Its not just gunshows and its not a loophole.
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  969. They don't always.
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  970. Because its not false for the reason most people give, so there's confusion.
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  971. Not true in all cases. Depends on who is selling the gun and where you're buying
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  972. More often than not, you can do it. Most purveyors at gun shows are private sellers and there are no restrictions on private sales in most states. Whether or not you can buy a gun depends on who you're purchasing it from and in what state.
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  973.  @alexandriahardy8977  That's just it. There ARE no laws! There are only laws in 15 states that puts any kind of restriction on private sales. All of my guns are purchased at gun shows. I have NEVER had a background check, because my state does not require one unless I am purchasing from an FFL dealer. You are sorely mistaken.
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  974. Would you like a link to the laws of the states?
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  975. And if you don't mind me asking, what state are you in? Just so I can personally apologize if the laws apply in your state.
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  976.  @alexandriahardy8977  You are correct when it comes to handguns. There is no restrictions on rifles or shotguns. However, that is still the minority, so I still disagree with your first comment.
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  977. Technically there is, though it's not really a loophole. They're referring to the private sales of guns at shows, which requires no background check.
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  978. Nope. That is factually untrue.
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  979.  @Kurothechurro23  Because gun crime is at an all time low in this country. Banning guns would raiae crime. Not lower it
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  980.  @Kurothechurro23  Shootings aren't a huge prpblem in America. Sorry you're so misinformed.
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  981.  @Kurothechurro23  Gun laws and gun free zones.
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  982. The ghettos in Canada are NOTHING compared to the US.
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  983. Gun store no. Gun show, depends on the state. However, that would probably look shady as hell.
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  984. Because guns are a right.
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  985.  @rmak7990  Is that why Europed homicide rate skyrocketed while the US is at a 30 year low?
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  986.  @rmak7990  Nope. Just work in the field. Not saying America doesn't have problems, but guns are not the center cause of it.
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  987.  @rmak7990  Peoples opposition to guns and 5he lack of care for mental illness is at the center of it.
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  988.  @shamrock141  That's because the US has a larger population. The overall rates are higher in Europe. London passed NYC in terms of homicide rates.
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  989.  @shamrock141  No it isn't. You're upset because you think its safer when you are prevented from.owning a firearm and that isnt true.
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  990.  @shamrock141  a simple google search will tell you that Iceland does allow you to own guns. The difference is only you can't walk into a store and buy one. But you can certainly legally own one. You don't even look up your own apologetics.
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  991.  @shamrock141  In fact, all of those countries allow you to own a gun. The only difference is the licensing and training needed to own one is much more extensive.
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  992.  @shamrock141  that would never work in the US because the culture is different. Have you noticed where these shootings happen? Gun free zones and in states with strict gun control. Allow your citizens to carry a gun if they so wish, and you would be amazed at how these horrid shootings would stop.
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  993.  @shamrock141  Which I would be fine with. But the cultures are different. Americans who want gun reform want to ban firearms. Period. You are much safer when the majority of people carry guns
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  994. Depends on if you're buying it privately or from a dealer. There is no federal background check on private sales, nor are there any restrictions on private sales in most states.
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  995.  @mauriciosarmiento8038  A gun show is private sales in most cases. You either live in a state that puts restrictions on private sales, you bought your gun from a dealer, or the person decised to run a background check.
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  996.  @mauriciosarmiento8038  Texas has no restrictions on private sales. So more than likely, you bought your gun from a dealer (who sell at shows as well). Thats a mandatory background check.
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  997. No, it wouldn't decrease violence. It would only forbid law abiding citizens from defending themselves. Criminals do not care about the law. You live in Europe? The UK's stabbing rates tripled in 5 years. You have a massive violence problem. There aren't nearly as many mass shootings as you think there are, and they all happen in gun free zones. When criminals give up their guns, I will as well.
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  998.  @ratofvengence  I know and have seen very few anti-gun people and protesters that do not EVENTUALLY want all guns banned.
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  999. Funny, because I've had the exact OPPOSITE experience. I have NEVER had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. All have been purchased from shows. Just depends on who you're buying from and where you live.
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  1000.  @roberthalpin9169  Indiana. And no its not. Private sales are a thing and depend on state laws.
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  1001.  @roberthalpin9169  Most gunshows in Indiana are private sellers. That's why people go to shows. You'll find firearms cheaper from a private seller than you will from a dealer. It DOESN'T need to be corrected. We don't have any mass shootings here. Thats because everyone owns a gun.
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  1002.  @roberthalpin9169  I mean it just really isn't a loophole. Thats the thing.
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  1003. No. Not if its a private sale. Only an FFL dealer who sells a firearm without a background check is a felony in most states.
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  1004. Yes actually you can. Find a private vendor at a gun show in one of the 38 states that have no restrictions on private sales and buy one. FFL dealers are not the only ones who sell at shows. All 3 of my guns have been purchased same day at shows.
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  1005.  @kiera8449  Bombings and mass stabbings as well as people being run down in vehicles don't sound much better.
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  1006.  @desensitized  Why? If a person wants to be trained to use a firearm, why is that a bad thing? Keep it on your person just like law enforcement does.
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  1007. But criminals WILL have access to guns. And forcing innocent civilians to give them up would only increase gun crime. Other countries don't have the gun violence we do because the population, crime and culture are all different.
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  1008. It's not at all hard to get a gun. And yes, I'm pro-gun.
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  1009. States that have lax gun laws and people who are allowed to carry firearms in class don't have that fear. Someone tried to shoot up a school here, and they'd be stopped before they had the chance to fire. Shooters target gun free zones for a reason.
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  1010. You don't always have to do a background check. Depends on where and who you're buying from.
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  1011. Most states do not require background checks on private sales. Also, you don't need anything but a handgun license in my state, and that's only if you carry it.
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  1012. No there isn't. 38 states put no restrictions on private sales. None of my guns have ever had a background check.
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  1013. Because there aren't in most states. Just depends on who you're buying it from.
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  1014. Except eliminating gun rights only would take them away from law abiding citizens, not criminals who will get them illegally. And I don't know where you got your medical degree, but you are MUCH more likely to survive a gunshot than a stab wound.
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  1015. Private sellers are not required to give background checks under any federal law. It's called the "gun show loophole"
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  1016. Yes you most certainly can. Depends entirely on where you live and who you're buying from.
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  1017.  @antonbrig5171  I've purchased 3. A 9 mm m&p, a Glock 29, and a .45 ACP. I live in Indiana, and most gun shows here are set up by vendors looking to sell their firearms. They're cheaper than what you would get at a store. Indiana places no restrictions on private firearm sales, so the only thing necessary is a valid state ID showing that you are a resident of the state in which you are buying. No background check required.
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  1018.  @antonbrig5171  One in 2018. 2 in 2019.
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  1019.  @antonbrig5171  No. I said the private dealers were selling at the shows. Gunshows around here usually consist of private dealers, but that different states work differently. Some have just dealers. And some have a mixture of both.
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  1020.  @antonbrig5171  Its literally called a .45 ACP. I suppose the actual name of the gun would be Dan Wesson Specialist. They're guns commonly bought by law enforcment.
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  1021.  @antonbrig5171  Its always wonderful to see someone stop replying when they are presented with the evidence that they were wrong. You make a side look bad when you claim things that can be easily refuted.
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  1022.  @antonbrig5171  I literally said that the actually name of the gun is a Dan Wesson specialist, but that we just call it an .45 ACP. So no, again, not lying.
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  1023.  @antonbrig5171  Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer. Not if you're buying privately.
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  1024.  @antonbrig5171  No, it wasn't done illegally. My state puts no restrictions on private sales. The gun was purchased from a third party. Perfectly legal.
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  1025.  @antonbrig5171  It depends on who you are buying from at the show. Some vendors are dealers. Some vendors are private sellers. If you go anywhere, in most states, and you are buying a gun from anyone other than a dealer, that it considered a private sale. This can happen in your yard, in a parking lot, or at a gun store.
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  1026.  @antonbrig5171  You hadn't. There were no messages. However, Youtube has been know to delete them. So that may be why I didn't see them.
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  1027.  @slavvo6184  I bought mine for a little over $500. In store here they're about $1600.
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  1028.  @antonbrig5171  No. I did not personally know the person I purchased from. Private sellers sell at shows. I went to a gunshow, and purchased a gun from a private seller. Private sales are any sales done by someone who does not hold a federal firearms license.
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  1029.  @antonbrig5171  No, I didn't know that person. I simply knew they were not a dealer, because they did not hold an FFL. Why is this so complicated for you?
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  1030. That's not true in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and the state.
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  1031. That doesn't mean they have lower violent crime rates. The US simply doesn't have a gun problem like you think it does.
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  1032.  Bad Man Jones  I know all about the black market. I'm pro-gun, I just want people to understand the law.
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  1033.  @ch4z_bucks  That depends entirely on where you live. Almost nobody who sells at shows here in my state are dealers. Shows here are mostly private sellers, because usually, their guns are cheaper. I am not misinformed. I understand background checks are necessary for FFL dealers. What I am saying is to claim that you cannot buy a gun without a background check is wrong. And it makes our side look weak to argue a point that is so easily disproven. No private seller I have EVER met goes through a background check. Thats an expense that would cost more than what they are selling the gun for. And there's no legal reason to do it either.
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  1034. You can have a gun at 16 actually. You have to be 21 to own a handgun. Many people defend themselves. The mass shootings we have happen on heavily gun restricted areas. Know why? Because a mass shooter isnt going to shoot up a place where everyone is carrying.
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  1035. Then simply don't fear it. You've got more of a chance being killed in a car accident on the way to school than being shot in a shooting.
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  1036. Not all the time. Depends on who you're buying from. I've never had a background check at a gunshow, but all my sales were private.
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  1037. Gun shows do have private sellers which don't require background checks. Maybe she's just been to a shady one...
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  1038.  @goarmy3783  I've never had a background check at a show. But all my sales were private.
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  1039. Then you owe me some money. Its very easy to purchase guns at a show without a background check. Find a private vendor in 1 of the 38 states that puts no restrictions on private sales of firearms.
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  1040. No, there are much less shootings in Europe because of customs and population. By the way, why is a mass shooting so much worse than stabbings?
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  1041.  Lizzie Allen  Yeah, thats true. I wish these people would be realistic.
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  1042.  @HereIsRick  I understand that, and I think its poorly named. All its referring to is a private sale at gunshows, which avoids a background check. People, colloquially, think that is a loophole to get around a background check. The act exists. You can buy firearms without a background check at shows. The name is just crap.
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  1043.  @BiggieGamez69  There does not have to be an FFL dealer at a show. That is strictly up to the venue. Most of the shows here are nearly all 3rd party, and rarely are background checks done.
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  1044.  @sense7074  Buying from a dealer is not a private sale. Private sales are between 3rd parties. Both of my guns have been purchased privately at shows, therefore do not require background checks. Why is that so hard for people to understand?
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  1045.  @linkaj12  Do you also not know about private sales? And that they happen at gunshows? I mean its not a loophole, but the original comment is misleading.
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  1046.  @gholland5840  Nope. Its perfectly legal.
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  1047.  @gholland5840  Private sales are not illegal, and they often appear at shows.
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  1048.  @gholland5840  Yes, because California puts a restriction on private sales. How did that work out for the high school that was shot up?
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  1049.  @gholland5840  Exactly. So I don't want anti-gun people to use the first comment as ammo for their cause, as it is misleading.
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  1050.  Snake 123  Yes you can. If the vendor is private.
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  1051. Not if the sale is private in most states.
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  1052.  @itsnotluck6090  Umm no. Federal law only applies to those with an FFL. State laws dictate private sellers.
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  1053. Psychological testing is unconstitutional, but i agree with you on every other point.
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  1054. More of misnamed than false.
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  1055. Wonder if you'll be saying that when you find yourself in a life threatening situation.
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  1056.  @carter9693  Yeah. Because they don't have a gun to defend themselves with.
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  1057.  @carter9693  They could legally own guns if they didn't live in states with such strict gun laws. Ever stop to wonder why states that have lax gun laws have the least amount of gun crime and almost no school shootings?
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  1058.  @carter9693  Depends on the state. Indiana allows you to own a gun at 16. If you can't rely on people you train to defend themselves, you can't rely on anyone
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  1059.  @matt-jr3vd  I'm not punishing civilians. I'm pro gun.
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  1060.  @amoyer1441  No. I went up to a vendor during the show and purchased a firearm. That person was a private citizen, not an FFL dealer and therefore the sale was considered a private transaction. No background check necessary.
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  1061.  @amoyer1441  My state has probably the laxest gun laws and have probably on the lowest gun homicide rates. If your vendor is not an FFL dealer, the sale is considered private.
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  1062.  @amoyer1441  Indiana
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  1063.  @josecruz-peraza5286  I appreciate that.
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  1064. While unlikely, because it would look super suspicious, legally speaking you could walk out with 20 guns. Just find a private seller.
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  1065. Except you don't. In fact, you don't in a majority of states. The gun show loophole doesn't exist because its not a loophole. Its just private sales.
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  1066. Depends on the show. Private sellers are under no federal obligation to perform a background check.
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  1067. Well...there isn't always.
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  1068.  @parkerdietrick1502  3. All privately. Do not need a background check.
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  1069.  @parkerdietrick1502  Buying it from a third party. As in, not from a dealer. That is a legal transfer in most states. No background check legally required.
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  1070.  @parkerdietrick1502  A background check is only federally mandated if you are buying from a dealer.
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  1071. Yes there is. Private sellers sell at gun shows. No background check required.
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  1072. No you don't. Depends on who's selling you the gun. Background checks are only mandatory if you are buying from an FFL dealer.
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  1073. Psychological exams are unconstitutional. Where do you draw the line at "mental illness"? I have ADHD. Should my rights be taken away because I have a mental illness? What about people with depression, anxiety or OCD? Those people should not be restricted from their second amendment right when they have done nothing to hurt others based only on the ground that they have a mental illness. You are in the minority if you don't have some form of mental illness.
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  1074. That's not true in all cases. Depends on the state and who you're buying from. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  1075.  @uhhohipeed1481  No, all of my guns were legally purchased. My state puts no regulations on private sales. Only thing I needed was a valid state issued ID proving i was a resident of the state in which I was purchasing the firearms.
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  1076. Technically there is, but its poor nomenclature. It simply refers to the private sales of firearms at shows.
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  1077. Depends on who you're buying from
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  1078. @Matthew Langley Some sellers at gun shows are non FFL dealers. You do not need a background check unless you are buying from dealer.
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  1079. No. Because thats unconstitutional. Most people have some form of mental illness but are completely competent.
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  1080. Depends on who you buy them from.
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  1081. Not necessarily. Depends on where you live. I've been to multiple gunshows and have had a background check once, but most of the sales I did were private.
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  1082.  @nbaking5715  Except that doesn't happen. Especially since most gun deaths are suicides
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  1083.  @nbaking5715  So? That won't lower the suicide rate. They'll just do it another way
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  1084. Or is just referring to private sellers.
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  1085. Because psych evaluations are unconstitutional and are in such a gray area it isnt funny.
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  1086. They're refering to private sales at shows, which have no background check.
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  1087. Vendors at gun shows can be private sellers though.
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  1088. They don't really do that here. Shootings have certainly increased, but it is not a common occurrence. Also, almost every western country has access to guns if they really try. No offense, but I'd rathe be shot than bludgeoned or stabbed.
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  1089.  @MelodiaTodoElDia  Yeah, I do mean the US. Because I actually know what goes on. You only know what you hear or what you've been told. And two, greater chance for survival, less painful, or depending on the situation, painless death.
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  1090. No, you just have a high acid, firebombing and stabbing problem huh?
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  1091.  @jamesbizs  It does exist. Its just poor nomenclature. The "gun show loophole" refers to the private sale of firearms at a show. Its given this name because both FFL dealers and private citizens sell at shows. A dealer is required under federal law to provide a background check. A private seller is not in most states.
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  1092. You do not need a background check if you are buying it from a private citizen. All you need in most states is a state issued ID.
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  1093.  @hunterpatten3776  Private sales happen all the time at gun shows moron. You don't need a license to sell most firearms. You only need an FFL license to be a firearms dealer.
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  1094.  @hunterpatten3776  Just because they might do a background check doesn't mean they're required to. Texas puts no restrictions on private sales. Here is your law: May not knowingly transfer firearms to anyone intending to use it unlawfully; a child under 18 (without parent or guardian's permission); or an intoxicated person. I live in Indiana. All of my firearms were purchased from non FFL licensed private citizens at gun shows. I have never had a background check.
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  1095.  @hunterpatten3776  No actually I'm not a liberal. I fully support your right to bare arms. It just makes our side seem weaker when you are wrong on a point that can easily be disproven.
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  1096. Depends on who and where you're buying from.
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  1097. Maybe she thinks that most gunshows are private sellers.
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  1098. Its only illegal if the person you are buying from is an FFL dealer. There is no such restriction on private sales, which frequently happen at shows. I'm pro-gun, but you make the argument look bad when you don't know the facts either.
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  1099. Once again. Not true. Private sales have no federal mandatory background check and have no restrictions in a majority of states. I have never had a background check on any of my legally purchased firearms, because my state does not put restrictions on private sales.
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  1100. But there's not. I've never had a background check on any gun I've purchased. Private sales are a thing.
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  1101.  @thomasyager2603  You go through a background check anytime you buy from a dealer. Its cheaper for us here to go to private vendors at shows then to go to dealers and stores.
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  1102.  @ratofvengence  Thats also a flat out lie, as there is no concise definition to a 1st world country. Mexico, by definition, would be a first world country because of its development. So would Brazil. Both of these countries have higher homicide rates than the US.
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  1103. Every gun show I've been to allows for private sellers to sell, which does not require a background check in most states. I have never had a background check on a firearm. Seems to me you are also a little misinformed.
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  1104. Private sales are not federally mandated. That's where the supposed loophole comes from.
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  1105. No it wouldn't. That would only allow criminals to have guns. No mass shootings doesn't mean 0 homicide or violence rate. I'd rather be shot than stabbed or bludgeoned.
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  1106. Gotta take in all the other factors though.
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  1107. Yes you can. In 38 out of 50 states. Private sales often happen at shows. Still not a loophole, but very possible.
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  1108. You CAN'T remove guns from the situation. A lot of people in Europe own guns, they're just owned illegally. Just because Europe doesn't have mass shootings doesn't mean they have a 0 gun homicide rate. You've never heard of that because mass shooters target gun free zones or states that have strict gun laws.
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  1109.  @mallikadhuys  Your customs are different than ours. No one is surprised when it happens. It happens because mass shooters know where they can find easy targets
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  1110.  @mallikadhuys  No, problem increased. Criminals will still have guns. You have just stripped my ability to defend my home from getting robbed or me from being able to feel safe going to college.
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  1111. It does exist, its just misnamed. Background checks are only done by dealers. Private sellers have no obligation to perform a background check. Gun shows usually have vedors that are both.
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  1112.  @AdamTerryy  Private sellers are under no legal obligation to provide a background check. Only those who hold an FFL are obligated to perform a background check. Do you not know the difference between a private seller and a dealer?
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  1113.  @AdamTerryy  You do not have to be a "gun vendor" or an FFL dealer to legally sell a firearm. Private sales exist for that reason. And you don't need a background check in the majority of states for private sales.
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  1114. Yes you can. Buy it from a private vendor.
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  1115. We don't have a mass shooting issue. And the problem is that banning guns will not stop mass shootings. Why do you think we have a gun issue? We just don't.
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  1116. I think she's referring to private sales.
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  1117. But they do have guns. So we should too.
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  1118. Because that isnt true. The requirements depend entirely on who you're buying from and the state. I have NEVER had a background check on any of my firearms. All of mine were purchased at shows from non-dealers. Privates sales have NO FEDERAL MANDATORY BACKGROUND CHECKS
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  1119. @Jam Cal I am aware of that. But not everyone who sells at shows are licensed dealers.
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  1120. @Jam Cal thank you.
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  1121. Took me all of 45 minutes to purchase a gun at a gun show. Just buy it from a private seller.
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  1122. Its not just education. And they don't actually have that strict of gun laws. Thats part of it. But its also the culture and mental illness stigma that we have here in the US.
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  1123. Not necessarily. Depends on who and where you buy the gun. The loophole refers to a private sale at a show, which you do not need a background check for.
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  1124. Not true. Background checks are only required if buying from a dealer.
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  1125.  @Backlash00z89  Yes you can. All of my guns have been purchased at gun shows. Never had a background check. Depends on who the seller is.
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  1126. No, Australia has a much lower rate of shootings because the income level, culture and population are different than the states. Your homicide rate is still above average.
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  1127. Yes you can. Find a private vendor in one of the 38 states that don't put restrictions on private sales.
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  1128. Yes you can. They're called "private sales."
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  1129. That is a flat out lie. We have no concise definition for what a mass shooting is. You could go out to an area with people and simply fire off a magazine, and that would be classified as a mass shooting, even with 0 injuries and 0 deaths. You don't seem to understand that you would save lives by supporting and using your second amendment rights.
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  1130.  @Mwriggles  But thats not what a mass shooting is. It has no concise definition. That's where ths issue comes in.
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  1131.  @Mwriggles  Because changing its laws to be stricter on guns will not save lives. Thats how you will increase the rate of mass shootings. "A well organized militia" was written when we did not have a standing military and referred to gangs of private citizens. Bottom line, "the only thing that a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun".
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  1132.  @Mwriggles  Correction. More guns in the hands of good people = less gun violence.
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  1133.  @Mwriggles  And who's to say someone is bad just based on one test? See the problem.
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  1134. Greetings from the United States. How's that tripling murder rate and that knife epidemic treating you?
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  1135. You can. Just depends on who is selling you the gun.
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  1136. Do you honestly believe that if we "removed guns", which I assume means you can't legally buy them, then criminals "wouldn't get them"? Tell me, how did that work woth drugs? Oh right. Outlawing them caused cartels to exist, and drug dealers to be extremely wealthy. When you deny access to something, you just make it easy for criminals. Try hunting with a pistol. Seriously. A shotgun is not "heavy weaponry". And by the way, most mass shootings are done with pistols and handguns.
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  1137.  @CipsterAnimations  You actually have no idea how any of this works. You said it yourself you live in the UK. So my question to you is why would you rather be stabbed or fire bombed than shot? Oh and no. As far as school shootings go, you're actually less likely to have shootings the more guns people have. Know why? Because most people are actually decent, and like to stop bad guys with guns.
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  1138.  @CipsterAnimations  No, that's not how that works at all. Bullet wounds are less lethal simply because they're smaller. Knife wounds not only penatrate deeper, they cause larger wounds. Please, take any forensics class. To boot, knife wounds are much more likely to be infected and are harder to treat. Very rarely does a bullet penatrate all the way through the body. Even then, the wound is smaller. You're actually really REALLY uneducated about ballistics. You've also clearly never been to medical school, nor worked at a trauma center.
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  1139. There is no way to ensure bad people will not have guns. Criminals don't care about the law. Outlaw guns and they will buy them illegally. You know what stops bad people with guns? Good people with guns. Thats why cops carry them.
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  1140. Couple of things: 1. While I agree that it is a "lie" the way its presented, its really not. Its referring to private sales of guns at shows. 2. A background check is only federally required if you a purchasing from a dealer, someone who holds an FFL. 38 states put no restrictions on private sales, and it is completely legal to sell privately without a background check as long as the buyer has a valid state ID in the state they are purchasing in. 3. Nothing to correct here.
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  1141. You can in most states. At least by law. Just because a vendor doesn't have to give you a background check doesn't mean they won't. Although personally, I've never had one at a show.
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  1142. Technically you could if the purveyor was a private seller. That still would like hella suspicious though.
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  1143. But we do have guns. And we always will.
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  1144. Or that they at least somewhat know private sales are a thing and just think its at a mass scale.
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  1145. Yeah...lets see how well that works on a junkie with a pipe.
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  1146. Background checks are not necessary if you are buying the gun from a private seller. Only gun stores that have FFL licenses require you to have a background check.
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  1147. In 35 states, if you're buying them from a private individual. Though that would probably look shady as hell.
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  1148. The US is in no way one of the least educated developed countries. Your culture is not the same as ours. The only reason America has a lot of the freedoms it does is because people fought for their rights. You might me content with letting your government step all over you, but I'm not.
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  1149. Yes you can. That's kinda what they're there for.
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  1150. Depends on who you're buying from.
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  1151.  @Nemesistyx  That is not true. All 3 of my guns were purchased at a gun show without a background check. Background checks are only required if you're buying from an FFL dealer. Plenty of private sellers sell at shows, and are under no such legal obligation. I would read up on your laws about private sales.
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  1152.  @Nemesistyx  I bought 3 guns from a private citizen that was selling at a show. You just seem to be under the deluded impression that everyone at shows are FFL dealers.
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  1153. Depends entirely on who's selling the firearm.
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  1154. Not in most states they don't. Depends on who you're buying the gun from.
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  1155. We dont in all cases. Background checks are only performed if your buying the gun from a gun store. Private sellers dont perform background checks.
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  1156. But then you would be incorrect. Background checks, in most states, are only mandatory if you are buying from a dealer. But many states have shows that are mixed, and a private seller has no obligation to perform a background check in most states.
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  1157.  @1911GreaterThanALL  That depends on the state you live in, but i agree with that in general. In my state, most sellers are not FFL dealers, so I was drawing on personal experience
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  1158. The mass majority of people I hear want the banning and removal of all guns.
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  1159.  @Noshadowkick  Sure. If that person your defending yourself against didn't have a gun or wasn't a threat to you.
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  1160. We really don't have shooting problems but most of the issue stems from stigmatized and untreated mental illness.
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  1161. That depends on who you're purchasing from and the state. I've never had a background check at a show, but my guns were all purchased by private sellers.
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  1162. Probably because it is in most states. In 35 states, there is no legal background check done on private sales, which very frequently appear at gun shows.
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  1163. Will Beasley  The majority of purveyors at most gun shows, at least in my state, are private individuals. Only a handful are FFL licensed. You are correct in saying that a background check is required if you are purchasing from on FFL licensed provider. But that isnt the majority of purchases in the US. My point is to say the loophole doesn't exist is stupid, because most gun sales in the US are private.
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  1164.  @willbeasley2077  Its not specific the gun shows, but it often happens at gun shows. Some gun show private sellers WILL do a background check. My point is theres no law REQUIRING them to. That research is easy to find. Just use google. Its your best friend
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  1165.  @willbeasley2077  No, it's just I know that if I gave you sources, you would cite them as uncredible or biased. I've done the song and dance before, and I'm done doing the work. The research is out there if you want it. You may be looking at a statistic in one state, because it varies from state to state. I have never been to a gun show that did background checks. But that's just around here. The original point I was trying to make was you calling someone stupid for acknowledging an ACTUAL loophole makes you look uneducated on the subject.
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  1166. That's unconstitutional. You can't restrict people who have mental illness from guns because that line is so vague. Focus less on gun control and more on improving mental health for those who are severely unstable.
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  1167.  @memphisstef3808  To restrict the rights of those who have any type of mental illness from owning firearms when they have no criminal history based on what they "might" do is a violation of their second amendment right to own a firearm.
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  1168.  @Heather145  I dont care if someone hurts themselves. You have a right to die just as you have a right to live. But to ban someone from owning a firearm on the assumption that they COULD or MIGHT hurt someone else is discriminatory and wrong. If they have violent tendencies towards others, then it should be taken into consideration with a mental health specialist. I'm talking about banning someone on the sole basis that they have mental illness.
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  1169. Not if the sale is private. There is no federal mandatory background check on private sales, which can occur at shows or on the street. Your wife either bought it, most likely, from an FFL dealer or you live in a state that restricts private sales.
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  1170.  @jacleesx2022  Thats fine, but that is not the case across the country. I've never been to a show where there weren't both dealers and private sellers.
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  1171. Except you can. Its called a private sale.
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  1172.  @filthyvibes4768  No they don't. Most states don't even have licenses or permits because they aren't registered. The only thing that is necessary to legally privately buy a firearm in most states is a valid state license. The majority of the population is mentally ill. Quit trying to simplify mental illness.
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  1173.  @filthyvibes4768  Actually, yes they are. Depression and anxiety being the most common. Those are mental illnesses. And they affect over 60% of the population. You just are ignorant as associate mental illness with something negative, like a severe mental illness. I am pro-gun. I do not want to see a time where guns are just taken away. That won't fix anything.
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  1174.  @filthyvibes4768  I never said everybody was mentally ill. I said a majority. And being mentally ill doesn't inherently make you a violent person. Also, when did I say we had a gun violence issue? I feel like we're arguing for the same side here.
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  1175.  @raybrunken9707  Private sales can take place at gun shows. Where I live, most sellers ar shows are private sellers. They aren't two different things. A gun show is just an event for people and dealers to sell their firearms. You do not have to take any type of test to sell at a gun show. I don't know what you think gun shows are.
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  1176. Absolutely not true. Depends entirely on who at the show you're buying the gun from. Its treated as a private sale if the purveyor is not an FFL licensed dealer. And there is no mandatory background check on private sales.
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  1177. Because when more people have access, violence is reduced. Because people think. And actually, knives and blunt objects are much more lethal
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  1178.  @lilymercy  You are much more likely to survive, and be treated for, a gunshot as opposed to a stab wound. Most guns are semi-automatic. A pistol is a semi-automatic handgun. You'd be in much better shape if you were randomly shot than stabbed with a kitchen knife.
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  1179. That's kinda exactly how it works in a majority of states.
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  1180.  @nottheaveragedude8697  Yes, you absolutely can. All three guns I have purchased have been bought this way. Went into a show, bought a gun, walked out same day. Private sellers will not go through a background check if the law does not require it. Its expensive and time consuming.
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  1181.  @nottheaveragedude8697  The three guns I purchased were in Valparaiso, Indiana. One of the laxest states on gun laws.
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  1182. You tell me what other methods you would use to protect yourself when you are staring down the barrel of a gun. Exactly. I have the right to protect myself with force or from a tyrannical government.
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  1183. The US had 31 mass shootings in 2019. Quit believing everything the media tells you.
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  1184. You have a mass stabbing issue.
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  1185. Not in most states you don't. Gun show sales for the most part are private. No background check needed for private sales
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  1186. I believe what they are referring to is the fact that those things only apply to FFL dealers or stats that have ourlawed private sales. It's entirely geographical. Also, I'm not sure where you're getting "deemed mentally unstable by a court." There is no psychiatric test done. That wouuls be unconstitutional.
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  1187. I hate when people who are pro-gun spread misinformation, because it looks bad on everyone who is pro-gun. The gun show loophole, while not a loophole, is most certainly not a myth. You can most certainly hand someone some cash, show an ID and walk out. Not everyone who sells at shows are FFL dealers and there is no federal mandatory background check on private sales and only 15 states put restrictions on private sales. Most states also don't require a CCL. Indiana, where I live, is an open carry state. I am on your side, but you make the arguement look weak when you spread misinformation.
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  1188.  @devensdailyshow  Only in 15 states do you need any form of background check on private sales. I own several handguns and have never had a background check, as they've all been private sales. All I had to do was show my license to prove I was a state resident. It's not lies to say most states have no background check on private sales. You either bought your firearms from a licensed dealer, or they opted to give you a background check, which they aren't required by law to do.
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  1189.  @devensdailyshow  There are a lot of people looking at banning ALL guns, not just semi automatic weapons. You're argument was that you need a background check to buy weapons. That is not the case in most states.
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  1190. That depends on whether you are purchasing from a dealer with an FFL or a private seller.
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  1191. No you don't. Not if the sale is private. Also, most states do not require any type of license to own a gun, unless you want to carry it in public. And actually, its 16 in some states for long guns.
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  1192. I see how you copied my comment. Nice edit though.
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  1193. Being poorly named doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It refers to private sales at gun shows, which do happen. Quite frequently.
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  1194.  @emansol9588  Yes it does happen. All of my guns have been purchased from private vendors at shows. People who do not have an FFL and are under no legal obligation to perform a background check. You do understand the difference between a dealer and a private sale, yes?
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  1195. No they don't. Private sales can happen at shows and don't require a background check in most states.
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  1196.  @ekoyal_gemu4446  I'm well aware.
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  1197. Not so much a myth as bad nomenclature.
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  1198. Not true. Private sellers do not have to provide background checks.
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  1199.  @vasiliantonov7484  I know. California has the strictest gun laws in the country.
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  1200. Or you know...people just understand that it isn't a baby and that it's terminating in most cases a non-sentient parasite. Listen, I'm pro gun, but you make us look bad when you drag in things like abortion.
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  1201.  @qk-tb2df  Being pro-choice doesn't make me immoral, considering morality is subjective. So yes, it is a bad argument.
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  1202.  @qk-tb2df  I don't believe in God, so I can't say he's dead. And yes, morality is subjective. However, you can put your subjective morals for or against an objective goal.
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  1203. Because private sales are a thing, even if they aren't the majority.
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  1204.  @BaxtonVR  I'm aware of that. But if they had corrected them on the background check, the argument of private sales would have started.
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  1205. You don't need any background check if the sale is private in most states
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  1206.  @reneeelliott2860  Most gun shows ARE private sales.
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  1207. It does. Its just terribly named, as it is not a loophole nor only applies to gun shows
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  1208. Apparently, you don't have accurate knowledge either. Federally, a vendor only needs to run a background check if they are a dealer, in order to comply with their FFL. But if you are simply selling, 38 states don't have any mandated background check. You simply need to show a valid driver's license that proves you are a resident in the state in which you are buying.
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  1209.  @salvi316  38 out of 50 states put no restrictions on private sales as of 2020. Thats 75% of the country.
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  1210. 1) False 2) False 3) False 4) False What do I win?
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  1211.  @Skjoldolfr  Not necessarily. Many states do not have gun registration. Mine doesn't, even when you buy it from a dealer. Most states in the U.S. do not require registration of guns and there is no Federal program to register guns. In fact under Federal law a national gun registry is illegal and eight states also have bans on any gun registry. Unless you knowingly sell it to someone who shouldn't have it, no. You don't go to jail. You need to actually look up the laws. I'm pro-gun, and when you make statements that are EASILY disproven, you make our side look weak.
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  1212.  @Skjoldolfr  Excuse me? I simply responded to what you claimed. You claimed firearms had to be registered, and when I told you were wrong, you call me manipulative? No. You're just uneducated about a subject. 38 out of 50 states require NOTHING but a valid driver's license to purchase a gun, outside of buying a gun from a dealer, which is how MOST guns are bought. And NO. The responsibility ONLY falls on the orignal owner if a) the gun was legally still in their possession and b) if the gun was sold illegally. Now, I agree that most anti-gun people have no education on guns. But apparent, so do pro-gunners. And my personal area? Yeah. That is is most states. In fact, its 75% of the country.
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  1213. And while I agree with you, the gun show loophole refers to private sales at gunshows, which do not need a background check. But thats not a loophole so...
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  1214. You have one artery in your leg that would be a vital point called the femoral artery. However, it is located on the inner thigh and is almost impossible to hit from behind and/or a moving target.
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  1215. Yes you can. At least in 75% of the country you can. Its a common occurance in many states.
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  1216. No it wouldn't. Your homicide rate has tripled, and you outrank some of our most populated states for homicide. Most of our "gun violence" is suicide.
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  1217. That seems like a very slippery slope and an easy way to discriminate. Just because someone has mental illness doesn't mean their incapable of owning a firearm.
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  1218. Having strict rules on guns does not prevent gun violence, nor does it prevent violence in general. The US is safe, and if you really believe it isn't, then you are delusional. While mass shootings may have increased in decades, they are still not a common event. Anti-gun will only ensure that evil people can get them.
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  1219.  @RedOneM  Most of those deaths are suicides. Having access to guns actually lowers gun violence. Quit comparing us to other countries with a different population and culture. There is no gun issue here.
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  1220. Its only a crime if they're an FFL dealer or they're selling in a state that restricts private sales. Perhaps get your facts straight.
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  1221.  @michaeljolley9118  I've bought 3. Never had a background check because my sales were private.
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  1222.  @michaeljolley9118  Indiana.
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  1223. Thats because you have absolutely no clue why mass shootings happen. If more good and honest people had guns, that wouldn't happen. If students are teachers were allowed to carry at school, a shooter would be taken care of long before they became a threat. The safest states and countries with the lowest crime rate allow guns.
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  1224.  @ratofvengence  Thats not because of guns. Its because we have the most diverse cultures and the largest population. So of course the homicide rate will be higher. That being said, its been in the decline for the last 3 years.
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  1225. Unless you know...its a private sale. Then its pretty easy.
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  1226. Not so much a lie as it is grossly misunderstood. You absolutely can go into a gun show and buy a gun without a background check, as long as the sale is private and your state puts no restrictions on private sales.
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  1227. All three of my guns were purchased at shows. I have never had a background check. It isn't a myth. Its bad nomenclature. It just refers to private sales at shows.
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  1228. They're not just like a gun shop. The regulations around gun shows are entirely dependent on where you live. Private sellers often sell at shows (at least where I'm from) and do not need background checks.
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  1229.  @ratofvengence  Any source I provided for you would not be seen as sufficent. I have played this game many times. If you would like resources, they are out there. While our homicide rate has risen in the past year, it is no where near 30%. I'm not saying there isn't problems, but banning firearms will not fix it.
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  1230. Yes you can. Just depends on where and who you buy it from. Not everyone who sells at shows have an FFL license.
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  1231.  @brennananderson6659  That's not illegal. It's not illegal to sell at shows without a license. And no. I'm very pro gun
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  1232. That's not true in all cases. Background checks are not mandatory if your buying the gun from a private seller.
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  1233.  @forrestsmoke1354  I have. And while many gun shows DO perform background checks, they are not mandatory. Federal law does not require a private seller to perform a background check.
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  1234.  @forrestsmoke1354  That's also not true. Under federal law, private-party sellers are not required to perform background checks on buyers, record the sale, or ask for identification, whether at a gun show or other venue. Not saying they don't or they shouldn't. But they aren't required to.
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  1235.  @forrestsmoke1354  that I understand. And i doubt they would do that under the circumstance of it looking suspicious as hell.
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  1236. Background checks are not always part of purchasing firearms at shows. It depends on who and where. None of my guns have had a background check because it wasn't mandatory.
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  1237.  @jb664q  Yes, I understand that. I just have an issue with people calling it a myth, because its not. Its just really bad nomenclature.
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  1238. Non dealers do sell at gun shows, and there is no background check required in a majority of states for private sales.
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  1239. Unless its a private sale.
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  1240.  IssyFishyy  A gun show isn't off the streets though
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  1241. You can in Indiana. Took me 45 minutes to purchase 3 guns from a show.
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  1242.  @dirtydann4127  Not true. Unless its an FFL dealer, the sale is considered private. There's no federal or state background check on private sales.
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  1243. Gun shows don't require background checks in all cases.
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  1244. Depends on if the sale is private or a dealer.
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  1245. That only applies at a federal level it you are buying from an FFL dealer. Private sellers abide by their states laws, and 38 put no restrictions on sales. Private sales are under no legal obligation to perform a background check. Thats still a legal sale.
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  1246.  @mattengelsman5214  No, you don't. Private sales happen at gun shows as well.
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  1247. To be fair, the definition of what a gun show is is kinda loose. Private sellers sell at shows all the time here, and don't require a background check. Still not a loophole.
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  1248. While it technically shouldn't be considered a loophole, since it isnt regulated federally, the thing she is referring to is the majority of states not requiring a background check unless you are purchasing from an FFL dealer, which most purveyors at gun shows are not.
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  1249.  @swiggynutmcgee2186  Almost all guns purchased in my state are purchased privately. I speak only for myself.
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  1250.  @Sporebreath2304  Flordia now requires background checks. However that is not the case for most states, unless you are buying from a FFL licensed provider.
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  1251. Depends on where and who you're buying from.
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  1252. Except there's not. The year you outlawed guns, you're homicide rate tripled and was worse than that of the US. People who commit violence do not need a gun. They will use anything. Meanwhile, you are left with no way to defend yourself.
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  1253. Being sold by licensed dealers depends entirely on the state. That is certainly not the case here. Most people who sell at gun shows where I live are not dealers, simply citizens.
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  1254.  @Rhettusmc  The statement you provided for me only applies to dealers. There is no federal law that dictates that a person at a gunshow MUST be a dealer. That is up to the state, and the organizer of the show.
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  1255. Nope not true. Only those sold by FFL dealers require background checks federally. Private sellers often sell at shows and are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. Have bought 3 guns from shows. Never had a background check.
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  1256.  @xavier1964  38 out of 50 states have no background checks on private sales. Thats 75% of the country.
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  1257. She wasn't referring to a store. She was referring to a show. And in most states, you don't need any kind of license or a background check to buy privately. The gun show loophole doesn't exist because private sales are not a loophole nor do they only happen at shows.
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  1258.  @TheViking-lh7oy  It is the same. The only difference is the person you are buying from does not hold an FFL. Gun laws are then regulated by the state. No, its not illegal. It just has to follow state laws.
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  1259. Its not a thing because it isn't a loophole. Private sales do not require background checks on a federal level.
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  1260.  @kaidenhurt517  Not true. I've never had a background check on a gun. They're actually quite uncommon where I live.
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  1261.  @kaidenhurt517  I live in South Bend, Indiana. Most of us deal in private sales here, since guns are just cheaper that way.
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  1262. Private sellers also sell guns they no longer want at gun shows, and are under no obligation to provide a background check in most states. Thats the "gun show loophole". Which is terribly named.
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  1263. No, actually. Thats not entirely accurate. Private sales, which can happen at shows, do not require a background check.
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  1264. @give me a username Umm no. You're actually more likely to survive a gunshot than a knife wound. Someone who is hell bent on hurting people will do it regardless of the weapon used.
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  1265. All three of my guns were purchased at shows. Never once have I had a background check. While she is way off base with the 20 guns thing, private sales often take place, especially at larger shows. There is no mandatory background check on private sales.
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  1266.  @Road_Therapy  I never said it wasn't poorly named nomenclature. It certainly is. I'm just saying its possible and legal.
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  1267. Depends on the state and who you're buying the gun from. Never had a background check on any of my firearms.
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  1268. Except a knife is a melee weapon and a gun is not.
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  1269. That depends entirely on where you live. My college campus allows anyone with a CCL to carry on school grounds. Do you know why? So we can take a shooter out long before he does damage. Not everyone who goes to a bar drinks. Not mentally ill? That's the majority of the population, and would be unconstitutional. You cannot ban me from my right to bare arms because I have anxiety and autism. Strict gun laws do not work. The US system is different: criminally, culturally and economically, to other countries. And countries that banned firearms did not have a lower crime rate. We have NOT had 304 mass shootings. There are some "shootings" in where no one was injured or killed, but counts because a gun was discharged and there is no clear cut definition on what a "mass shooting" is. Gun Violance Archive, where that 304 number comes from, includes gang incidents and domestic violence in its statistics. In reality, we've only had 11 mass shootings that have raised national attention.
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  1270. Because a taser or a security system won't help you in a pinch
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  1271.  @tonykrass7407  that's the point. There should be no restrictions on rights.
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  1272.  @tonykrass7407  No there shouldn't. Then it isnt a right. It's a privilege. How has restrictions on guns helped? They haven't. The more you restrict access to firearms, the more you will see mass shootings increase.
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  1273.  @tonykrass7407  I'm talking about the one right pertaining to the video, not rights in general. This is about gun control, and the more you try to limit and restrict a right, the more you lose that right. I believe it is you not doing the critical thinking.
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  1274.  @tonykrass7407  So going on guns in particular, tell me what benefits I would have from restrictions on guns?
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  1275. Or at least should have said; "The exception to background checks is private sales for most states, but they make up few of the guns purchased."
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  1276. Not always. Depends on who at the show you're buying from and where. Still not a loophole, but it does happen. And its legal.
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  1277.  @DSBaughm  Yes, in fact all of my guns have been purchased from shows. You do not need an FFL to sell at a show, and in most states, private salea do not require background checks by law. So yes, it is perfectly legal to buy a gun at a show from a private dealer. Happens all the time.
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  1278. We already do.
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  1279. But it was correct. You can purchase guns without a background check at a show in a majority of states. It wasn't expanded upon for times sake probably.
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  1280.  @grandadmiralthrawn8116  The point is that private sales happen at gun shows, so to blanketly state that you can't purchase a gun at a show without a background check is false.
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  1281. There is no state that requires any type of test to own a gun. That would be a violation of the federal law. The gun show loophole also is not a myth. Its just nad nomenclature. It refers to the private sales, which do not legally require a background check, at shows.
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  1282. Not true. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where. All three of my guns were purchased at shows, and I've never had a background check.
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  1283. No, people just understand thats a slippery slope and is unconstitutional. You can't ban me from my right just because I have mental illness.
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  1284. Simple response. People do have access to that weapon and there is nothing you can do to stop that. Better more good people had them than bad people. America does not have the problem you think it does.
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  1285.  @explosivebest3703  I don't disagree with that, but the vast majoirty of those deaths are suicide. You believe the US has a problem. But we don't. Its that simple.
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  1286. It's not a myth, but it's also not really a loophole, nor is it restricted to shows.
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  1287. Because you don't in all cases.
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  1288.  @naterocas1877  And I've never had to.
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  1289. She was technically correct. You don't need a background check, at least by law, if the sale is private. Private sellers often sell at shows. I agree with most everything else except the end. Almost all gun violence is performed with legally obtained firearms. 80% of homicides with a handgun were legally purchased.
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  1290. Depends on where and who you're buying from. Never had a background check at a gun show and always got to take the firearm home same-day.
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  1291.  @chancedavis6216  Not necessarily, because private sellers also sell at shows.
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  1292.  @chancedavis6216  Your last sentence was "gun shows require background checks like firearms dealers." No. No they don't. Not in all cases.
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  1293. Not if you buy the gun from a private seller. No background check needed.
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  1294. No, that's not true. Depends on who you're buying from
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  1295.  @870gamer4  That is not true. There is no law that says you must have an FFL to set up a booth at a gun show. Many private sellers set up at shows.
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  1296.  @870gamer4  Indiana is where I live. All of my guns have been purchased privately at shows. Hell, the shows around here are almoat exclusively private dealers, because its cheaper than going to a gun store.
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  1297.  @870gamer4  Huh. Thats interesting. Suppose it depends on the state, like most things.
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  1298. You dont have to do a background check if you are purchasing the firearm from a private seller in most states.
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  1299.  @dustyak79  That's true. However, in my state, most of the people at gun shows are private sellers.
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  1300. The whole purpose for gun shows is to purchase guns.
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  1301. That is not true. Background checks are only mandatory if you are purchasing the gun from a dealer. Not all people at shows are dealers.
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  1302. There's no way to make it hard for bad guys to acquire one. So make it easier for the good guys.
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  1303.  @normizavi4525  If you believe guns are too easy to buy, you've never purchased a firearm. Being allowed to purchase a firearm at a show depends on the state and the sellers discretion. Just because they aren't legally required to give you a background check doesn't mean they won't. Many of the shootings could have been prevented if guns were more easily available to good citizens and we got rid of gun free zones. "Mentally ill people shouldn't have access to guns." That would eliminate most of the population from having a gun. What do you qualify as mentally ill? I suffer from depression and anxiety. I'm also on the Autism spectrum. Never in my life have I considered shooting someone for no reason. My Constitutional right should not be withheld because I am a perfectly functioning adult that has mental illness. Not everyone owns a car nor is it possible for everyone to own a gun legally. Driving is a privilege. Guns are a right.
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  1304.  @normizavi4525  You cannot purchase a gun and then travel over state lines. That is a federal crime. If you do not live in the US, do not pretend to know our laws. You do not have to be a licensed seller to sell at a gun show either. Yes, they absoutely can. You should not be purchasing a firearm if you know you cannot legally posses one. That's on no one but the buyer. Eliminate gun free zones then. Allow students to carry their gun. I guarentee you no one would dare shoot up the school. Someone would put a bullet between their eyes.
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  1305. You cant stop criminals from getting a gun. You can only stop law abiding citizens from getting a gun.
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  1306.  @shaun8622  Australia did not ban ALL guns like many liberals claim. There are more guns in circulation in Australia today than before gun control. Nearly all of Australia’s mass shootings occurred in the 20 years before their gun buyback. It’s thus misleading to claim that mass shootings were common in Australia’s history – until gun control. The majority of Australia’s mass public shootings have been committed with firearms that were never banned. Firearm homicides did fall post 1996 gun control – at exactly the same pace as they were naturally falling before gun control. Over a similar period (1993-2014), gun homicides in America were cut by more than half. Keep in mind that guns per capita increased about 50% in America over this period. A 2016 American Medical Association study examined trends in firearm homicides and suicides before and after the adoption of gun control in Australia from the 1996 NFA, and found no evidence of a statistically significant effect of gun control on the pre-existing downward trend of the firearm homicide rate. In short, you banning guns did nothing to affect the firearm homicide rate.
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  1307. I was with you up until you had to drag abortion into it. Abortion. Is. Not. Murder. That's not an opinion. That's a fact. (At least in the states)
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  1308.  @ratofvengence  The homicide rate in the US is at a 35 year low. You are safe in the classroom. It's just the media covers school shootings for weeks. Make it allowed for students to carry their guns on them, and I guarentee school shootings would stop.
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  1309.  @ratofvengence  Yes it is actually. The homicide rate in The murder rate in 2014 was lower than at any time since the FBI started keeping track in 1960. Yes, it has steadily climbed over the past few years, but was still at an all time low by historical standards in 2017. Of course it will be higher than those nations. The US has over 3 times the population of Vietnam. Yes, that's true. Or perhaps it may just be that we report on them. They are still a very rare occurance. You are more likely to be shot on the street walking than in a classroom. Most of the shooters are mentally ill students who have access to firearms. Allow those who are good people to carry firearms to defend themselves against the bad guys, and you'll see it stop. Just like a robber would rather target an empty house, a shooter would rather target unarmed students. We're allowed to carry guns in my school and we've stopped several wannabe shooters. You dont live in the US, so your say doesnt matter.
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  1310.  @ratofvengence  The US isnt failing. Perhaps if you lived here, you would know that. I never denied there are other nations that are "better". But it isnt because of guns or crime. Their population is smaller, so there would be naturally lower crime rate. I'm not proud of everything my country has done, but I think I live in the greatest country. I have freedom to do and say what I want, to criticize who I want, to practice any religion I want, and to be equal (for the most part) to everyone else.
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  1311.  @ratofvengence  Once again, neither do you apparently. Gun control would not lower crime rate, and in nations where guns are banned (England for example) have brutal stabbings, fire bombings AND gun violence. If you ban guns, only criminals have guns. Because in most other western democracies, you DONT have the freedoms Americans do. You dont have access to guns. You cant say what you want to who you want. Gun control has been tried for years. And it fails. There's a 2nd amendment for a reason.
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  1312.  @ratofvengence  I'm not going to argue with you anymore. You keep living in your country. I'll keep living in mine. You'd have a better understanding if you lived here.
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  1313.  @ratofvengence  I can't think of a country that doesnt have problems. I dont have misconceptions. You just are easily bought by the media.
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  1314.  @ratofvengence  That's simply an opinion. If anything, I was conditioned to hate America. But I've been able to do more here for who I personally am than in any other country. That's why I think it's the greatest. It's not a claim. Simply a belief.
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  1315. Except you don't. Private sales exist.
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  1316.  @cityfantv-everythingmancit2946  You mean the sucides, since nearly 70% of our "gun crimes" are suicide?
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  1317.  @cityfantv-everythingmancit2946  Yeah no. That isn't true. We have no concise definition on a mass shooting. Many of these mass shootings had no casualties and only minor injuries. Not saying we didn't have mass shootings. But it was no where near the amount media wants tou to think.
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  1318. Only if you buy from an FFL dealer. Private sellers often sell at shows and are under no obligation to provide a background check .
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  1319.  @ratofvengence  Way to not take into account all other factors. Also guess what crime Australia has that is nearly 7% more than the US? Rape. By the way, that "low homicide rate" you were talking about was in 2014. It rose in 2015, 16 and 17, and dropped off in 2018. Just like it has in the US. perhaps there's more to the picture than just guns?
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  1320. Unless you go to a show that allows private sellers. Then you don't need a background check.
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  1321. Yes you can. Theres no background check on private sales in most states. And no, the laws dont need to be stricter. That's what leads to mass shootings.
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  1322. In most states, only if you're buying from an FFL licensed dealer.
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  1323. Well no. Not always. Private sales can occur at shows, and a majority of states don't require a background check on private sales. Depends on where you live and who's organizing.
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  1324.  @joshuaoverlord5327  Okay? That doesn't negate what I said.
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  1325. Not if the sale is private. At least not in the majority of the states.
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  1326.  @dluvv19761  Absolutely.
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  1327. Literally, no its not. In fact, its really easy. Its called a private sale.
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  1328. No such thing as a good religion. Least not a right hand abrahamic one.
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  1329.  @joru2752  But they can, so your comment is irrelevant
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  1330. Only if they carry an FFL. Private sales, which is what the supposed gunshow loophole refers to, do not require background checks.
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  1331.  @brownbrownbrown2938  As a person with a degree in Chemistry...yes. Yes I do.
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  1332.  @mikeoxlittle1779  It varies from state to state. I have never been to a show that issues background checks, but I live in a lax state for guns.
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  1333. Because being stabbed is so much better. I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if you'd ever experienced them both.
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  1334.  @julienwilliamson5194  I'm not saying you have a lot of gun violence. I'm just saying that to claim you have no guns is a lie. By the way, automatic guns are banned in the US as well, and have never been used in a mass shooting.
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  1335.  @julienwilliamson5194  Yes. Most handguns are semi-automatic.
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  1336. Except the states that have the strictest gun laws are the ones that have the highest gun HOMICIDE rate. Know what a majority of those "gun deaths" are? Suicides.
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  1337.  @Rallosz  That statement is not factually inaccurate. A vast majority of "gun deaths" are suicides and the US is the ONLY country that includes suicide and accidental discharge deaths in their gun statistics. 2016, the last year for which the CDC provides numbers, 22,938 people committed suicide by firearm, while 14,415 people died in gun homicides. Historical data shows it’s been this way for a while.
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  1338. Yes you can. In most states, a background check is only required if you're buying from a gun store or an FFL licensed dealer. I've never had a background check on any of my firearms.
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  1339. It wouldn't reduce death. In fact, it would make death much more likely. Ever wonder why those school shootinga happen in states woth strict gun laws?
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  1340.  @Skulldetta  If the entire contry was a gun free zone, you would see a rise in gun homicide. Also, most school shootins are performed with legally purchased firearms. You cannot carry a firearm over state lines. Thats a felony right there. When you restrict citizens from owning guns, you only help criminals.
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  1341. Uhhh no. They have extremely low gun crime rates. Drugs are a huge problem in Australia. Domestic violence and child abuse has increased by 5.5% in Germany.
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  1342.  @Demiligne  That actually isn't true. I'm not saying having a gun would lower domestic violence. There's no study on that. My point was contradicting the original poster in that places with strict gun laws have "low" crime rates.
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  1343.  @ratofvengence  But that would be a lie.
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  1344.  @ratofvengence  And that still wouldn't be true.
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  1345.  @Demiligne  But that isn't true either. But I won't debate with people who are so closed minded to other solutions. If its not your country, don't worry about it.
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  1346.  @Demiligne  Possibly. It does in some areas and in others turns domestic abuse into 2nd degree murder.
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  1347.  @galaxygod9962  I don't deny the gun ownership rate, but our crime rate has been on thr decline for years. Depends on what crimes you're referring to. The fact is you don't know anything about whats happening here. You just listen and believe what you hear.
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  1348. Not for private sales and they often occur at shows.
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  1349.  Tim Account  Completely agree.
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  1350. And yet its crime rate went up that year, its got a drug problem, and the government bought back about 60 percent of its guns.
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  1351. Not true. You cannot purchase a gun from a gun show without a background check only if you're buying from a dealer. Gun shows also do private sales, which most states do not need background checks for.
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  1352. The rest of the world hasn't banned guns, and the reason we don't is because we are smart enough to understand that banning guns will neither lower crime, nor stop criminals from getting guns.
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  1353. Technically it does, but its misnamed and not a loophole.
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  1354.  @mr.obamium8074  That isn't true. Private sales of firearms have no legal obligation to perform a background check. Learn your laws.
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  1355. And what you fail to realize is the phrase "no one will have guns" is an impossible achievement. No, everyone wouldnt be safer. You know why innocent people die? Because they aren't allowed to carry guns. The mass shootings we have take place in gun free zones and heavily gun restricted states No one would dare shoot up a place here, because they'd be shot the instant they tried. Know why? Because everyone carries guns here
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  1356. Technically it does exist. It just really isnt a loophole. There is just no federal mandatory background checks on private sales, who often sell at gunshows.
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  1357. On a technical sense there "is". But its not a loophole. It just deals with private sales not needing a background check.
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  1358. Less people dying of a weapon doesn't mean anything when your homicide rate is still on the rise. Sorry, but you're much less likely to die from a bullet than a knife.
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  1359.  @simonesanchi300  They have a lower homicide rate because they have less people. But London's homicide rate topped NYC. Because there's such a knife epidemic
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  1360.  @simonesanchi300  That is true. You can't possibly have an accurate measurement if you're comparing two countries who's population sizes are different. If we look at individual percentage ratings, those in Europe have climbed whereas the US has fallen. We don't have a gun problem.
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  1361.  @a.t6066  What gun did I buy? A .22 handgun. It was my first gun after I finished my safety training.
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  1362. No it isnt in most states. Private sellers are not required by law to provide a background check.
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  1363.  @wizardboy724  If no gunshow has ever asked for a background check, how is the loophole fake news?
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  1364.  @wizardboy724  I never said that no gunshow asks for a background check. You said that. Whether or not a background check is required depends on what state you're in and who your buying the firearm from.
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  1365. No offense, because one of my very best friends lives in thr UK, but personally? I'd rather be shot than stabbed. Much less painful and less likely to be fatal.
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  1366. You don't in all cases.
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  1367.  @thomasporter6123  You don't. Private sales exist. All 3 of my firearms were purchased privately. Never have I had a background check. You should really learn the difference between state and federal laws, because you make pro-gun look weak.
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  1368.  @myfarminmybackyardgunners636  Private gun sales are not illegal, unless you are unlawfully selling them. Please, do some research. Background checks are fine. My point was they are only required by law if a) you are buying from a dealer to comply with their FFL or b) your state puts restrictions on private sales. How about you do your research? Because you actually haven't.
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  1369. Or have bought from a private dealer at a gun show and not had a background check and assume thats the norm.
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  1370. Actually the countries with the lowest crime rates have not banned guns. In fact, its open carry. Ever wonder why shootings happen in gun free zones?
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  1371. You don't need any kind of license in any state to buy a firearm. Some states have special requirements, but this is not the case for most.
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  1372.  @martialartsnerd7673  You do not need a license to sell at gun shows.
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  1373.  @marcusg1276  No you don't. Only 15 states put any kind of restrictions on private sales, and anyone can sell or trade firearms at gun shows.
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  1374. Depends on who you buy the gun from. Many private citizens sell and trade and gun shows, and there is no background check required on private sales in most states.
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  1375. It be suspicious as hell, but technically you could.
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  1376.  @kingjellytoast8407  Well. There is no limit, background check or bill of sale required for private sales.
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  1377.  @kingjellytoast8407  Well thank you. Of course I'm not going to be rude. I'm pro gun, so I see no issue.
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  1378.  @kingjellytoast8407  Sure~
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  1379. Almost every developed country has guns
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  1380.  @s4kl-42 Google is your best friend.
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  1381.  @s4kl-42  That doesn't make them gun free. By the way, Europe has a massive stabbing problem.
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  1382. That is blatantly unconstitutional and unfair. I have depression, and am on antidepressants. I have NEVER been violent. Why should my right be stripped simply because I have a chemical imbalance in my brain? You have no idea how depression works. "High and lows?" Thats not depression. Thats akin to bipolar disorder.
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  1383.  Lizzie Allen  Well because that's what you are. You'd also be uneducated about abortion, since you equate it to baby killing.
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  1384.  Lizzie Allen  Its a fetus. Not a baby. And 96% of abortion are performed before 13 weeks, with nearly all abortions after 13 weeks (where the fetus actually is removed surgically) being done for medical purposes. You are uneducated about this particular topic.
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  1385. No. They're just smart and want protection. Are you trying to say all police are pro-violence? They carry guns. Why do you call them when you need help?
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  1386. That's not true at all. You can buy as many guns as you want from a private seller, and a gun store will usually sell 2 or 3 at a time if you pass a background check.
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  1387. Ehh...not entirely true. Depends on which state and who happens to be selling that day.
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  1388. No, you're wrong. And that proves you did no research. Background checks are only required under federal law if you are buying from a licensed dealer. But there is no law stating you must be a dealer to sell at a show. Private sellers often sell at shows and do not have to perform a background check in 75% of the country.
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  1389. Yes it was. Its saved countless lives
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  1390. Not if the person you are purchasing the gun from is a private citizen, and they often sell at shows.
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  1391. That won't prevent mass shootings. That will increase them. You cannot buy automatic weapons without a level 3 firearms license, and no mass shooting has ever been performed with an automatic weapon.
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  1392. Except they're not in all cases.
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  1393. No you aren't. Find a private vendor. They are under no obligation to provide a background check.
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  1394.  @carterbales1554  38 states do. Thats more than 75%. And I'm aware of that. I am very pro-gun. I just wanted to point out that correction.
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  1395. Then you've never been to a gun show where there are private sales. No background check required.
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  1396. It just refers to private sales at shows. I never understood why people think its a loophole.
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  1397. Nah, you're just paranoid about being bombed, stabbed, or set on fire.
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  1398.  @ratofvengence  I don't know where you get your information from, but they did not halve their homicides when they enacted gun laws. Their homicide rate increased. For 2 consecutive years.
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  1399. Someone would have just brought up private sales.
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  1400.  Lizzie Allen  Thats true.
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  1401. Thats not true. Private sellers are under no obligation to perform background checks in most states. I have never had a check at a show.
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  1402. Except that creates a false dichotomy. If people didn't have guns, they'd use knives, poles, acid, fire, etc. Banning guns does nothing to solve violence.
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  1403. Uhh...no. The majority of states only need background checks on gun sales from a dealer. 38 out of 50 put no restrictions on private sales.
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  1404.  @alexbstrother  No, I don't think private sales are a loophole. They're not. The "gunshow loophole" is just a piss poor name for private sales at shows.
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  1405. Your odds of being shot are astronomically low
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  1406.  @damilolaajiboye5261m Fewer people would die from mass shootings if more people owned guns
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  1407.  @ratofvengence  Lol no you can't. Is that what you believe?
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  1408. Its because she is referring to the private sales of guns at shows. Your father probably bought his gun from a dealer at a show. But private sales require no such paperwork on a federal level, and only in a minority of states. All 3 of my firearms have been purchased from shows. All I needed was cash and a valid state ID. Thats it. Depends on where and who.
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  1409.  @MCBoult  Then you live in a state that restricts private sales or the seller opted to do a background check. If it was a private sale (meaning you did not buy from an FFL dealer), then there is no mandatory background check on the federal level.
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  1410. I think most people don't really know all the laws surrounding legally purchasing a firearm, with or without a background check.
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  1411.  Lizzie Allen  I know right? "Oh yeah, I may be on the brink of a psychotic breakdown, but I would never randomly shoot the next person who lights my fuse"
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  1412. Not in all cases. 38 states allow private vendors to set up booths and private sales do not require a background check in these states.
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  1413. I'm sorry you believe that.
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  1414. Not really. Depends on who you're buying it from.
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  1415.  @BigMamaBlack  The federal law says nothing about private sales. That is a state by state decision. In which 38 out of 50 provide no restrictions on private sales.
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  1416.  @BigMamaBlack  I feel sorry for you.
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  1417. I believe they're referring to private sales and confuse not needing a background check for these sales as this so-called "loophole."
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  1418. No actually. You have that backwards. When its harder to buy a gun legally, you literally hand cartels the key to operating. Its much easier to get a gun illegally.
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  1419. Actually, most mass shootings are committed with legally obtained firearms.
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  1420. Then you bought it from a dealer or in a state where there are restrictions. You do not need a background check on private sales in most states
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  1421. No. And even if it did, thats not the point.
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  1422. Depends on who you buy it from and where. Never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  1423. Not on private sales in most states. Which is where the "gun show loophole" occurs. Though its neither a loophole nor restricted to shows.
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  1424.  @ratofvengence  Actually, yes they do. Since I said "mass shootings" and not "shootings in general".
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  1425. The vast majority of people are mentally ill. Why should my rights be taken from me because I have anxiety and social autism? The problem is where to draw the line. Not everyone who is mentally ill is violent.
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  1426. Private sales exist and do not require a background check. She just fell for the red herring.
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  1427. A vast majority of the population has mental illness, depression anxiety and OCD being the most common. Mental illness should not stop you from your rights. However, with more aggressive mental problems, I think its important to talk to your therapist (if you have one) and your loved ones, especially if you have suicidal tendencies. You absolutely can and should be allowed the option of owning a firearm.
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  1428.  @eaaaaaaa200  I personally do need a gun. But that's because I work in the criminal justice field. Do most people need a gun? No, probably not. Should it be their right to own one regardless? Yes. You see much more property and violent crime in California then you do in Texas, both being above the average.
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  1429. But you literally don't. Private sellers exist at shows as well and do not need to perform a background check in a majority of states. Still isn't a loophole. Its just state vs federal laws.
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  1430. Because they don't in all cases. Depends on who you're buying from and in what state.
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  1431.  @mrmatticus9693  No they don't. I've never had a background check at a show. Most of the shows around here consist of private sellers.
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  1432.  @mrmatticus9693  Thats a lie. You only need a background check by law federally when buying from an FFL dealer. I have never had a background check for any of my guns.
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  1433.  @mrmatticus9693  You have clearly never been to a gun show.
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  1434.  @mrmatticus9693  Then you live in a state that either doesn't allow private sales at shows or requires background checks on private sales as well. Hate to break it to you, but thats not the law for the majority of the country. I have purchased all my guns at shows, from private sellers, and have never had a background check.
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  1435. Depends entirely on what state your in and who you're buying it from. Took me about 45 minutes to find and purchase my first handgun. No background check required.
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  1436.  @ryx1993  All I have to do in my state is show an ID proving I am a resident of that state. A background check is only mandatory if you are buying it from an FFL licensed dealer. If you really find that difficult to believe, you've done 0 gun research.
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  1437. There is not always a background check to buy a gun. Depends on where you live and who is selling. Private sellers also sell at shows and do not need to run a background check.
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  1438.  @LuisDuran-tm5ft  You can literally google the laws. The only time a background check is required by federal law is if you are buying from a dealer. All other gun laws are left up to the states. Private sales can and do occur at gun shows, and there is no mandatory background check on a private sale in 75% of the country. Do some research. You really make pro-gun look bad when you don't understand the law.
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  1439. Would probably look suspicious as hell, but a private seller at a gun show has no limit on how many firearms they can sell you.
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  1440. That isn't true in all cases. The law surrounding firearm sales are mostly left up to the states. Private sellers can sell at shows, and most of the country do not place restrictions on these sales. Its about who you buy from and where you buy.
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  1441.  @richardmeiners6535  I am pro-gun, so I don't wish to imply that I am not. However, your statement about persons at a gun show MUST be a dealer is ABSOLUTELY false. There is no federal law mandating that persons be licensed dealers. In fact, most gun shows run are NOT dealers, because you will get your gun cheaper from a 3rd party than from a dealer.
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  1442.  @richardmeiners6535  Alright, understood. That is not the case for a majority of states, which is why I brought that up.
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  1443. Any show that consists of private sellers can sell without a background check in most states.
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  1444. Try not to get stabbed or fire bombed
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  1445. Any show in 38 states where private sellers are vendors...
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  1446.  @ratofvengence  No, it still doesn't change crime statistics. It just changes gun crime statistics.
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  1447. Because its true. And if it were called out, it would have sparked the conversation on private vs dealer sales. Probably didn't have time for it. I've personally never had a background check at a show.
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  1448. Not a gun store. A gun show. Gun stores require background checks. Not all gun shows do. Depends on who is selling.
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  1449. Because you don't in all cases?
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  1450.  @DrzAnt12  And private sales also can happen at gun shows.
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  1451.  @DrzAnt12  True. Hopefully they eventually discover that its not a loophole of its legal.
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  1452. Except that isn't a fact. Private sales at gun shows are under no legal obligation to provide a background check in a majority of states.
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  1453.  @Bsmalls4142  Actually you are incorrect. Any sale that is NOT between a dealer and a party is a private sale. My father, for instance, does not need an FFL to sell me a gun. You are only required by law to have an FFL if you are a firearm dealer.
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  1454.  @Bsmalls4142  That is absoutely not true. The federal law has nothing to do with private sales. Those are state laws and are handled by the state governments. You do not have to be an FFL dealer to legally sell a gun, unless you are selling out of state. Nor must you be an FFL dealer to sell at shows.
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  1455.  @Bsmalls4142  But its not illegal. It would only be illegal if the private transfer was done to a known convicted felon. I'm pro gun, but you are spreading misinformation.
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  1456.  @MrJonny0  You do not need a bill of sale. Only a valid state ID
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  1457.  @MrJonny0  Then you are in one of the states that puts restrictions on private sales. That is a minority
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  1458.  @MrJonny0  What state do you live in then? Because there is no bill of sale required by federal law for a private sale. It doesn't matter one way or the other. If you perform a legal transaction of that firearm, and that person shoots up a school with it, you cannot be held criminally responsible in a court of law.
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  1459.  @MrJonny0  Unless by "comming up hot" you are referring to a stolen firearm, no it doesn't. That firearm was a legal sale, bill of sale or not. You cannot be connected with the crime when you legally sold the gun. No, you don't need one. Unless your state specifically mandates it.
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  1460.  Stinky Monkey  I've bought 3 firearms. Have you ever purchased a gun?
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  1461.  Stinky Monkey  Alright, so why did your first comment assume I had never purchased a firearm?
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  1462. Okay, but thats not the issue. There is no law that states you must be a licensed dealer to sell at a show. You're right. There is no loophole. Its just a private sale, which does not require a background check in most states.
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  1463.  @charlieduncan3367  No it doesn't. Only if you're buying from a dealer does it require a background check, as you stated. But many private sellers also sell at shows, and you do not need a background check to buy guns from a private seller in most of the country.
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  1464.  @ellensugden5609  America doesn't have an issue.
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  1465. While its not a loophole, you absolutely can walk into a gunshow and buy a gun without a background check. Just go to a vendor's stall and buy one privately.
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  1466.  @thatswhatshesaid5155  Yes. All my guns have been purchased privately at shows. They're cheaper. I did, however, have a background check for my CCL.
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  1467. She actually is correct, but only when it comes to private vendors. I've personally never had a background check on any of my guns.
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  1468. Its funny how different it can be. I've never had a background check at a show. Amazing that something that is just the way the law is written is spun as a some loophole.
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  1469.  @dylxn9233  Most of which were done in severely gun restricted areas. I wonder why that is. Also, most of which were done with handguns, not automatic weapons. In areas that are lax on gun laws, very rarely are there shootings. I wonder why...
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  1470.  @dylxn9233  Thats true. The fact is though, people have guns. And the only people you punish with gun laws are law-abiding citizens. There would still be violence without guns. The UK outlawed guns but has a massive stabbing issue. The difference is I know I'm safe because I have a gun to protect myself and my loved ones need be. Your world without guns would be nice, but is unrealistic
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  1471. Not always. Depends on who's selling and what state.
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  1472.  @danielcorbett6511  And that I agree with. But not all gun sales are from a dealer. Private sales are left up to the states, and most don't require a background check.
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  1473.  @danielcorbett6511  Again, I'm well aware most guns are purchased from dealers. My point is your original comment implies that all guns have background checks. And that isn't true
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  1474.  @danielcorbett6511  Its not a myth so much as its poorly named. Its not a loophole and it happens at more than just gunshows.
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  1475.  @danielcorbett6511  Thats because people don't understand what it refers to, which is the private sales of guns at shows. Thats not a myth. Happens all the time. However, its not a loophole.
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  1476. It is illegal to have a machine gun and shotguns are mainly used for hunting.
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  1477. Yes you do, because a criminal doesnt care how the gun is obtained. Gun laws only affect law abiding individuals. Does nothing to criminals.
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  1478.  @italianguy9138  You are safe at school. Despite these shootings the media protests, gun violence is at a 35 year low. I dont know how old you are, but a person has to 18 to purchase a rifle and 21 to purchase a handgun. That's not a kid. Comparing our country to someone else is nonsense. Not only is that unconstitutional, our cultures are different. In fact, school shootings would probably happen a lot less if students were allowed to carry guns on them.
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  1479.  @italianguy9138  I understand that. And those guns were legally his. That's not a kid, that's an adult. Focusing on mental health was the issue there.
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  1480.  @italianguy9138  No, because people lie. What I think would help would be allowing students who own guns to carry them. Those shootings would not have happened in that case.
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  1481.  @italianguy9138  Because that would allow good students to defend themselves and others. A school shooter wants to take out as many people as possible. He or she is not going to target armed students. Guns are not the issue. The person who wields it is.
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  1482. Because it would be a much harder, longer and expensive process that would overall improve nothing. It is not fair to punish the innocent because of the guilty
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  1483. No, because that isn't true in all cases. What should be said is that while private sales at gun shows do not need background checks in most states, that is not a loophole. Nor is that the way most guns are purchased.
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  1484. You don't have to apply for any permit to own a gun in most states. You only need to apply for a CCL if you want to carry.
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  1485. Nah. Not always.
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  1486. Why do you people differentiate so much between gun violence and any other type of violence? You are less vulnerable with a gun than you are without (assuming you know how to use it)
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  1487. Because it's not bull crap. There is no federal law that mandates private sellers to require background checks. Though many do, it's not required.
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  1488.  @claytonvaughn5953  They can be. Unless you're buying them from a FFL licensed dealer, it's a private sale. Only 15 states regulate private sales and gun shows.
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  1489.  @claytonvaughn5953  Only FFL licenced gun stores or sellers require a background check. Only 15 states have restrictions on private sellers. If you are buying a gun from a private seller, there is no background check is most states.
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  1490.  @landonthrone7361  The "gun show loophole" is literally just a red herring name for private sales at shows, which require nothing but a valid state ID. It took me all of 20 minutes to buy my first gun.
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  1491.  @landonthrone7361  ...Its not illegal to privately sell a firearm. I seriously think you should brush up on your gun laws.
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  1492.  @landonthrone7361  First off, I doubt very much that came up. Secondly, if it did, its beause it might in your state. Its only illegal to sell a firearm without a background check if you are a dealer. Private sellers are not dealers, and do not require documentation in most states.
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  1493.  @landonthrone7361  Thats not necessarily true. There are two types of sales. Private and dealer. Private sales require nothing but a valid state ID to sell.
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  1494. So...a state ID? Thats all a gun requires in most states.
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  1495. No, that's not true. Only guns sold by licensed dealers need a background check in most states. Private sales are left up to the states, and most do not require a background check. I assume that's where she gets that. Still misinformation. But...for the wrong reason.
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  1496. Absolutely not. What determines this "psy test?" You cannot withold my rights just because I'm mentally ill. A vast majority of the population is mentally ill. Psyche tests would be unconstitutional.
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  1497.  @WesS2016  I completely agree with you.
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  1498.  @totalwarawesome  Or just a private sale. Since most states do not put restrictions on them.
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  1499.  @totalwarawesome  Illinois is all screwed up. I live in Indiana and its like...embarrassingly easy to get a gun.
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  1500. Because that isn't true. Most states do not have registered firearms nor have any restrictions on private sales.
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  1501.  @jameslassiter8858  I have never had a background check on any of the firearms I have purchased. They were purchased privately and did not require one. State and federal laws are different. My state also doesn't register firearms. If anything, I'd say you need a little research.
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  1502. Any one in the 38 of 50 states that do not restrict private sales.
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  1503. Background checks are not required for private sales
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  1504.  @danielbrophy7873  No, thats not how that works. Once the gun in purchased, it becomes owned by the purchaser, so long as the sale was legal. Most states don't even require you to register a gun to be legal. FFL dealers are the only ones obligated to provide a background check.
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  1505. Yeah, tell that to the people stabbed or burned to death in Europe.
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  1506.  @FridolinH  I know plenty of people in the UK in fear of walking outside and being shanked, just as you probably know many Americans who are in fear of walking out and being shot.
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  1507. Gun show? Yes. Gun store? No.
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  1508.  @codyralston2576  my state only requires a background check for FFL dealers. Most shows I've been to have been private sales. But every state is different.
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  1509. I've never had a background check on any gun I've ever purchased. I agree that anti-gunners need to read the laws, but I understand how they can be easily confused.
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  1510.  @tuthuihfthjgfyh1922  There is no gun registry in my state.
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  1511.  @joerenwick5018  Of course not. The US has a larger population than the UK, so of course there's going to be more. But if we're debating statistics, the US homicide rate has been declining, whereas the UK's has been rising. That really has nothing to do with guns, however. You still have more people being stabbed and firebombed. The majority of gun related deaths? They're suicides and gang violence, not mass shootings and one off homicides.
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  1512.  @joerenwick5018  As if people just give guns to gangs and suicidal people? I think the right to live includes the right to die. And please explain to me how being stabbed is better than being shot
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  1513.  @joerenwick5018  If you want to believe the media on that, be my guest. If you actually lived here, you would know not only that wasn't true, but legally, we have no concise legal definition for a mass shooting.
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  1514. I would honestly be so scared to live in Europe, where your homicide rate tripled, and you have knife attacks, acid attacks and fire bombings.
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  1515. No it isn't. Its just misnamed. It refers to the private sales of firearms at shows.
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  1516.  @owennelson2460  No its not. It just depends on who you are buying from. All of my guns have been purchased privately at shows and I have never had a background check.
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  1517.  @freedomdividendnews5042  So basically "violate a majority of the populations constitutional rights"
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  1518.  @freedomdividendnews5042  No you wouldn't and thats also not a fallacy. Banning guns from good people saves no one.
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  1519.  @freedomdividendnews5042  You wouldn't know a fallacy if it bit you in the ass. If you don't believe in the Constitution, then you don't deserve the rights in grants you. Also, you're right. But allowing citizens to carry and trusting that a majority are good people saves lives. The majority of homicides related to guns occur in strict gun law states.
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  1520.  @freedomdividendnews5042  I don't agree with child piercings or circumcision, but that doesn't make them rights. Something everyone needs to learn is you do not have inherent rights.
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  1521.  @freedomdividendnews5042  That is not a right. That is a privilege.
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  1522.  @freedomdividendnews5042  I disagree. You are not entitled to anything other than to be treated like a human and be protected from harm. Its not psychopathic (which isn't a term used anymore) to believe you should earn your keep. I empathize with people who struggle to get food and shelter. But that still isn't something that should be handed out.
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  1523.  @freedomdividendnews5042  One person's opinion on a hierarchy of needs does not make it correct. Nothing, inherently, is a right. Its a privilege. I worked my ass off for the home that I have. Why should someone get for free what I worked for? You only have rights because of a government. Nothing is inherently owed to you. You work for it.
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  1524. Because its not only unconstitutional, but ungradable. Who decides whether you're healthy enough to own a gun? I suffer PTSD, Autism and SCD. I've never been violent, so why should my right be denied because my brain works differently?
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  1525. The gun show background check is determined by who and where you buy the gun. Only FFL dealers are under a federal obligation to provide a background check. No such thing on private sales.
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  1526. A gun actually is a right in the US. Sorry that you don't have the natural right to protect yourself.
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  1527.  @mmminsku  You don't need a gun until you need a gun. Why do you think Police carry guns?
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  1528.  @mmminsku  No they shouldn't. The harder you make guns to obtain for law abiding citizens, the easier it becomes for criminals.
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  1529.  @mmminsku  Because you allow cartels to spring up. It works the same way with drugs. You ban drugs and suddenly get millions of people getting it illegally. If you made it easier to get legally, cartels can't function. No one would buy from them, except criminals. You'd see less mass shootings too.
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  1530. A psychological test is unconstitutional. Thats a violation of someone's right to privacy. You can't deny someone their right on the grounds that their mental illness MIGHT affect them. If that were the law, most lawful people would not be able to purchase a gun, as the majority is mentally ill. By the way, "psychopath" is not a recognized term. Its an ASPD spectrum disorder.
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  1531. Yes...because if guns were banned, criminals just wouldn't get them. Yeah, no.
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  1532. Just go to a private seller.
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  1533. Been to several gun shows as well. Never had a background check (except when I got my ccl). Depends on where you live and who you're buying from.
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  1534.  @judeminiat247  I was buying privately. I got my CCL after buying my firearms. My point was private sales can happen at shows.
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  1535.  @judeminiat247  Technically, the "gun show loophole" refers to the private sales of guns at shows that do not require a background check. The reason its a myth is a) its not a loophole, and b) private sales aren't restricted to shows. Its a red herring.
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  1536. The "gun show loophole" is a red herring term for the private sales of firearms at shows. This absolutely occurs, and is 100% legal in most states.
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  1537. Most people can also walk outside and go to school without worrying. Especially in lax gun state laws and in schools that allow students to carry. I wonder why those places never have mass shootings.
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  1538. Depends on what state and who you're buying the gun from.
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  1539. Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer. So no, they're not required for all sales. Just most sales.
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  1540. You know how we stop people getting murdered? Putting defense in the hands of more good people. Next time a robber breaks into your home with an illegal weapon, tell the police to just leave their lethal weapons at home. See how that goes.
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  1541. Where would it end? All you do is make it harder for law abiding citizens to get one.
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  1542.  @hunterricard4529  But most people would be staisified at first with simply restricting them until someone else is shot. It would keep going.
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  1543. Only in most states if you're buying from a dealer.
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  1544. No, that would be unconstitutional. There are plenty of people (the majority of the population in fact) that have a psychological disorder. Doesn't make then violent or mean they can't own guns.
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  1545. However, not everyone who sells at shows are licensed dealers.
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  1546.  @AlexAlex-fv2wk  Thats not true at all. No federal law prevents private sellers from selling at shows. Thats up to the states. And no actually. There is no federal registry and most states do not register guns either. You seem very uninformed about gun laws.
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  1547.  @commondognut  No. Because the sale was through a private individual, and there are no restrictions on private sales in my state.
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  1548.  @commondognut  No problem. Every place is different.
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  1549. Yes you can. Find a private seller in one of the 38 states that put no restrictions on private sales. Its more of a red herring than a myth.
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  1550.  @ellensugden5609  Yeah, by placing a ban on them. Yet people still get them. There is no consise definition to a mass shooting. We do not have the problems you think we do. By the way, you are much more likely to survive and recover a shooting than a stabbing.
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  1551.  @ellensugden5609  No, I'm just educated. And wow. Look at you dissing education. Like its a bad thing to teach children how to handle themselves. Yeah you did, yet you still saw a spike in your homicide rate. London's murders were triple that of NYC. You know what stops mass shootings? Good people with guns. And you never had the right to own a gun like the US does. I feel much safer in the US then I would ever feel in the UK. You claim we have a gun problem, and yet our homicide rate is still on the decline.
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  1552. That sounds wonderful. The problem is you CAN'T take guns off the street. Why sould only police carry firearms? They can break the law too.
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  1553. You cannot legally own a handgun in the UK. The've been banned over 20 years. That's why your homicide rate is worse than ours. Unless you live in an isolated country, I don't know how you feel safe. Mass shootings wouldnt happen if gun restrictions weren't in place and people were allowed to carry.
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  1554. There is. Conceal carry and handgun licenses are 2 examples
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  1555.  @daizy8429  It can be. You should really only buy a gun if you know how to use one. But some people dont feel that way.
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  1556. And I can vehemently say that it NOT TRUE in all cases, as someone who has NEVER had a background check when buying a firearm at a show because private sales are a thing.
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  1557.  @lovedivakissdiva  Sure. Indiana.
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  1558. There are no restrictions on private sales in most states. Stop saying the loophole doesn't exist. You're wrong.
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  1559.  @Linkz03  35 of the 50 states put no restrictions on private sales. There's your loophole. I can walk up to someone in my state, show a state ID, and legally purchase a firearm without a background check. In fact, I've done that. California is a terrible example, as it has the strictest gun laws in the country.
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  1560. Because you don't in most states. Depends on who you're buying it from.
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  1561.  @joshnarron5624  I never said there was a way to regulate that, nor do I think it needs to be regulated.
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  1562.  @s1thl0rd87  True. But that is the minority.
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  1563.  Arthur Morgan  I never said most gun sales are done privately. They aren't. I said most sales where I live in particular are done privately. And no. You do not have to have a background check unless you are buying from a dealer, or if your state regulates private sales. That doesn't mean they won't give you one, but it is not mandatory.
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  1564.  @Pete230  Background checks are mandatory only for dealers at the federal level. Everything else is up to the states.
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  1565.  @justme23lol  I live in Indiana. And what I meant was that most guns sold at shows are done privately and not by dealers.
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  1566.  @makoosh3448  No, it entirely depends on where you live. Because 75% of the country puts no restrictions on private sales. You do not need a background check to legally buy a gun in my state if the sale is private.
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  1567.  @bravo1593  No there hasn't. There is no federal law mandating a background check on a private sale. Private sales are a states issue. You are sorely uneducated.
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  1568.  @gingerboi8773  Nope, not at all
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  1569.  @updatedotexe  Being anti gun does nothing to protect people, so why would I be anti gun?
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  1570. @Haku Yuki I'm aware
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  1571. Not in all cases. Depends on who you're buying the gun from and where.
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  1572. Kinda depends on where you live.
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  1573. Unless private vendors are there
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  1574. Because you can. Probably not 20. But you can certainly buy guns at a gunshow in a majority of states without a background check.
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  1575.  @taylorcompton7688  No, not all gunshow vendors are FFL dealers. Depends on where you live. Private sellers sell at shows all the time, at least where I live.
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  1576.  @taylorcompton7688  That isn't true. All of my guns have been purchased at shows. I have never once has a background check on a purchase of a firearm. My point was that private sales also occur at gun shows. I'm entirely pro-gun. But I hate the spread of misinformation that can easily be debunked. And actually, most "gun crimes" committed are done with firearms that were originally legally obtained.
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  1577.  @taylorcompton7688  I live in Indiana. One of the most lax gun states. 38 states do not put restrictions on private sales. The only background check I had was when I got my CCL.
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  1578.  @taylorcompton7688  I got my CCL AFTER purchasing my firearms. I was able to purchase firearms without a background check because they were private sales.
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  1579. Any private sale in 38 of 50 states.
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  1580. Not if the sale is private.
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  1581. Having guns in public places by people who know how to use them is exactly what we need to stop mass shooters. I'm proud to be attending a school where I can carry my gun.
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  1582. Because its not necessarily illegal. Depends on if you're buying from a dealer or a private seller. Private sales do not require background checks.
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  1583. @joel Plenty of criminals purchase the firearm privately. Most crimes are performed with legal firearms, although perhaps not legal to the person in control of it.
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  1584.  @jules4631  If you want that source, then look it up. Anything I send you would not be good enough for you. Find a source you think is valid, and read up on it.
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  1585. Gun shows do not mandate that a person must have an FFL to sell. Depending on the state, gun shows can include private sellers. A private seller is anyone who does not possess an FFL. I would take your own advice and educate yourself, as you'll find its quite common is some states for private sellers to sell at shows.
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  1586.  @tomgolde5175  I completely understand. I live in a state that has ridiculously lax laws about guns.
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  1587.  @tomgolde5175  Thats the same here. I'm from Indiana, and we never have any gun crime, aside from suicide. We even have a huge drug problem, and more people die of that.
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  1588. You don't in some cases.
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  1589.  @cheetahhunt8711  Yes it did. Gun rights are still the same. They knew guns would improve with time. You're implying that had they known the technology we have now, they would have never made the 2nd amendment. You're wrong.
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  1590. No, it doesn't. A backgroud check is only required if the gun being purchased in from an FFL dealer. Many people go to shows because private citizens set up stalls to sell and trade their guns. Privates sales have no background check requirements in most states. I'm pro-gun as well, but you should know the law before posting something thats blatently false.
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