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You are correct. Isaiah 41 and 49 are clearly referring to Israel as it states "Israel my servant". However this does not automatically infer that Isaiah 52 - 53 is referring to the servant as Israel. In context, it is referring to a singular human figure that will be high and exalted (terms used for God). When this was written there were no chapters or breaks so, as it leads into 53, it continues to talk about this singular person who is despised and rejected. Even if we don't include the word "pierced" we see clearly that he was crushed for "our" (the people of Israel's) iniquities. We still may be able to infer that this servant is Israel, until it mentions that 'because of his chastisement and wounds we have peace and are healed'. The LORD then lays upon him the iniquity of us all. His soul makes an offering for guilt.
By 'bearing the iniquities of the people of Israel many shall be accounted righteous.' This infers that those who are afflicting the "servant" are made righteous, given peace and are healed. This disqualifies Israel from being the servant as they were being punished for their transgression against God plus Israel's enemies were also punished by God for afflicting Israel, even those that were used by God to afflict Israel. Those who curse Israel are cursed, not blessed or given atonement. It makes no sense that God would give peace, healing and atonement to those that afflict Israel the servant, as if antisemitism, killing of Jews and taking the people into exile would make atonement for those very same nations that persecuted the nation of Israel. It goes on to say that "he" was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many and makes INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS (only something pure and sinless could do this), which supports the previous claim.
Rashi's interpretation, that claims the servant is the people of Israel, was written during the times of the crusades where Jews were being killed in the name of Jesus and where this aberrant movement who strayed from the Bible and the Jewish roots of their faith persecuted our people. It's easy to understand that his interpretation was influenced by the time period he lived in but a clear and simple reading of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 shows that this servant could in no way be the servant Israel that is spoken of in previous chapters. Many may want to see this servant as Israel but that bias can have people continuing to miss their clearly prophesied Messiah.
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Hey Friends! Please read the following for more depth on Isaiah 9:6 and its fulfillment in Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6 uses the prophetic perfect tense, a common feature in Hebrew prophecy where future events are described as though they have already occurred, emphasizing their certainty. This is the same tense used in Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering Servant, which even many traditional Jewish sources acknowledge as future. The child described in Isaiah 9:6 bears titles like Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace—titles that far exceed what could be ascribed to Hezekiah or any human king. While Hezekiah’s reign was significant, it does not align with the everlasting peace and dominion described in verse 7 and the future tense with which it is stated. Rabbinic sources, such as the Targum Jonathan, identify this passage as messianic, referring to the child as the Messiah. Additionally, Midrash Tanchuma connects the government on His shoulders to the Messiah. Even Isaiah 53, often debated, was historically interpreted as messianic by early Jewish writings like the Talmud (Sanhedrin 98b), which describes the Messiah as the suffering Servant. While it’s true that many Israelis today are secular and may not study Scripture deeply, this doesn’t change the historical and contextual understanding of these prophecies as messianic. The connection between Isaiah 9, 11, and 53 paints a picture of a singular figure who establishes eternal righteousness and peace. While Hezekiah may represent a partial fulfillment, the ultimate fulfillment, given the divine titles and eternal scope, points to the Messiah. Jesus fulfills this description, as demonstrated by His life, death, and resurrection, and will ultimately complete it in His return.
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@cryptoidmonkey3985 Isaiah 9:6 calling the Messiah "Everlasting Father" is not a contradiction of the Trinity, nor does it mean Jesus is the same person as God the Father. In Hebrew, the phrase "Avi’ad" (Everlasting Father) speaks to the Messiah’s role as a protector, provider, and caretaker of His people—qualities of a fatherly figure. In the Bible, "father" is often used metaphorically, like when Job says, "I was a father to the needy" (Job 29:16). It’s describing His care, not saying He is the Father.
The Trinity doesn't claim that Jesus (the Son) is God the Father. Instead, it teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons within the one Being of God. This is clear throughout Scripture. For example, Jesus prays to the Father (John 17), the Father speaks from heaven at Jesus’ baptism (Matthew 3:17), and Jesus promises the coming of the Holy Spirit (John 14:16). These passages show a distinction between the persons of the Trinity while affirming their unity.
Scripture also makes it clear that Jesus is divine. John 1 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Hebrews 1:8 quotes the Father calling the Son "God," saying, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever." Colossians 2:9 tells us, "In Him all the fullness of Deity dwells bodily." None of this is about twisting Isaiah 9:6—it’s about understanding how it fits within the broader biblical picture of who Jesus is.
When Isaiah calls the Messiah "Everlasting Father," it emphasizes Jesus’ eternal care for His people. He is one with the Father in essence and purpose, as He says in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one." This unity doesn’t mean Jesus and the Father are the same person, but that they are both fully God.
The claim that the Trinity is pagan is simply not true. The Trinity arises from the Bible’s teachings about God’s nature, not from any pagan philosophy. The early church developed the doctrine to faithfully reflect the truths revealed in Scripture about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
So, Isaiah 9:6 doesn’t refute the Trinity. Instead, it beautifully highlights the Messiah’s role in God’s plan, showing that He will care for His people with the eternal love and protection of a father.
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Praise God that He does not give up on us!
Isaiah 41:8-10
8 But you, Israel, my servant,
Jacob, whom I have chosen,
the offspring of Abraham, my friend;
9 you whom I took from the ends of the earth,
and called from its farthest corners,
saying to you, “You are my servant,
I have chosen you and not cast you off”;
10 fear not, for I am with you;
be not dismayed, for I am your God;
I will strengthen you, I will help you,
I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
1 Corinthians 10:13
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
Romans 8:38-39
For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Messiah Jesus our Lord.
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@derknusperhase_ivi I know you are saying that we should not emulate the evil acts of the world, but we also want to be peacemakers, and when we have the Love of God in our hearts, what can the "enemy" do to us? "For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline." (2 Timothy 1:7). Jesus said the greatest commandment is to Love the Lord your God and love your neighbor as yourself. He also said:
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. " (Matthew 5:43-45). and again... “But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:27-28
We were all enemies with God, but God by His grace drew near to us. We are all children of God, and God wants us to go out to all of God's lost and bring them back to the Father. Jesus ate with tax collectors and sinners and people said he should not do these things. How did Jesus respond? "Jesus said, 'It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.” Matthew 9:11b-13.
Which scripture are you referring to you that teaches to love your enemy by telling them "you are not my brother"?
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Actually God’s Son comes directly from our Tanakh.
Psalm 2:
The LORD said to me, “You are my Son;
today I have begotten you.
Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage, and the ends of the earth your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron
and dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.” Now therefore, O kings, be wise;
be warned, O rulers of the earth.
Serve the LORD with fear,
and rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and you perish in the way,
for his wrath is quickly kindled.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.
Proverbs 30:
Who has ascended to heaven and come down?
Who has gathered the wind in his fists?
Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is his name, and what is his son’s name?
Surely you know!
Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given;
and the government shall be uponfn his shoulder, and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
The first followers of Jesus were Jewish and thousands of Jews followed him and still do. The Tanakh points to Yeshua who came right on tine according to the prophetic timeline
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Thanks for your question! It's up to each individual believer how they feel comfortable identifying in a cultural context. If you ask Jews for Jesus (the organization), we say yes, we're 100% Jewish and 100% Christian. But many times, when we are speaking to a Jewish person and they hear the word "Christian" they think "Christian=Gentile", and you cannot be Jewish and Christian. To reduce confusion about this, we might use different terms, like Messianic Jew, Jewish-Christian, Jewish Believer in Jesus, etc. When it comes down to it the core beliefs are the same as mainstream Christianity, but how we express our faith will differ. We encourage each person to read the scriptures and get their understanding from there.
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This claim is incorrect both biblically and historically.
The New Testament writings, including Paul’s letters (written 15–30 years after Jesus’ death) and the Gospels (written 30–60 years after), contain firsthand and early testimonies. 1 Corinthians 15:3-8, written around AD 55, records an early creed of Jesus’ resurrection, showing that belief in Jesus’ deeds was circulating within years of the events.
Non-Christian sources like Josephus, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger confirm Jesus’ existence, crucifixion, and the rapid spread of Christianity. The claim that “nobody wrote one word” is false—early Christian and non-Christian writings both testify to Jesus’ impact
Most historical figures, especially non-royalty, were not written about extensively during their lifetimes. Events were often passed down orally before being recorded. Even major figures like Alexander the Great had their biographies written centuries later.
Christianity was also a persecuted faith so the followers were being targeted and killed.
In short, Jesus’ life was written about far earlier than many historical figures, and claims that “nobody wrote anything” ignore the wealth of early Christian and non-Christian evidence.
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Is it out of the realm of possibility that God and the scripture are bigger than yours or my understanding of Him? His ways are higher than our ways...
“You there! Everyone who thirsts, come to the waters;
And you who have no money come, buy and eat.
Come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without cost.
Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And delight yourself in abundance.
Incline your ear and come to Me.
Listen, that you may live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
According to the faithful mercies shown to David.
Behold, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
A leader and commander for the peoples.
Behold, you will call a nation you do not know,
And a nation which does not know you will run to you,
Because of the Lord your God, the Holy One of Israel;
For He has glorified you.”
Seek the Lord while He may be found;
Call upon Him while He is near.
Let the wicked abandon his way,
And the unrighteous person his thoughts;
And let him return to the Lord,
And He will have compassion on him,
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Isaiah 55:1-9 (NASB)
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Firstly, this is the original text in Hebrew from the Hebrew Tanakh given to all school children and soldiers here in Israel. It clearly talks about a singular male person here. Even though the מ is used it still means the same thing as 'for'.
איש מכאבות
הוא נשה ומכאבינו סבלם ואנחנו חשבנוהו נגוע
והוא מחולל מפשעינו מדכא מעונתינו
ובחבורתו נרפא-לנו
כולנו כצאן תעינו איש לדרכו פנינו ויהוה הפגיע בו את עון כולנו
He, He, He - Singular
Regarding Isaiah 9:6 saying it's all in the past tense, that's wrong. The last sentence of verse 7 or 6 depending if you're reading Hebrew or English says
קנאת יהוה צבאות תעשה זות
Clearly in the future. "The zeal of the Lord of Hosts "WILL" do this."
You're also trying to fit biblical Hebrew syntax and grammar into Latin and Greek syntax and grammar while Biblical Hebrew has it's own grammar and syntax. You're forcing latin categories on ancient near-eastern texts. So, you're argument isn't rooted in Biblical Hebrew which is what you're appealing to.
In modern Hebrew we have a tense that is always used for past and a tense that is always used for future. But in biblical Hebrew the same tense can be used for past present and future.
For example
In Genesis 17:20, Isaiah 5:13, Isaiah 11:9, Psalm 49:14, Genesis 25:26, Genesis 38:30, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 8:3... - These passages use "perfect" or past tense verbs to describe future events. So, using Biblical Hebrew syntax and grammar, you cannot make the conclusion that Isaiah 9:6 is all in the past and already happened, especially if you continue reading on to Isaiah 9:7.
Regarding repentance as "the only thing you have to do", let's go to the Tanakh regarding Yom Kippur - Leviticus 16
Atonement and cleansing of Israel's sins before God (Lev. 16:30).
High Priest’s Role - Bathe, wear holy garments, and offer a sin offering for himself (Lev. 16:4-6, 11).
Two Goats: Sacrificial Goat - Blood sprinkled in the Holy of Holies for purification (Lev. 16:15-19).
Scapegoat (Azazel) - Sins of Israel symbolically placed on it; sent into the wilderness (Lev. 16:20-22).
Sabbath Rest: A day of fasting, repentance, and no work (Lev. 16:29-31).
Annual Command - Observed every year on Tishrei 10 as a perpetual statute (Lev. 16:29, 34).
The sacrifice and scapegoat represent atonement and removal of sin.
Only the High Priest enters the Holy of Holies, highlighting the need for a mediator.
These rituals were given by God to purify both the people as a whole and the sanctuary.
There is no mention here of "only repentance" and "individual or personal atonement".
There was a clear system in place for the people of Israel to make atonement and receive forgiveness. By saying "All you have to do is repent" is anti-biblical inaccurate.
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Thank you for sharing your story. May the Lord use you to continue to encourage others with your faith and joy instead of hate! You have been adopted by the King, and through faith inherit His heavenly kingdom!
Ephesians 1:3-10
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Messiah Jesus , who has blessed us in Messiah with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Messiah Jesus, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Messiah as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth."
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Thank you for your question! The strong response often comes from a long history of pain and misunderstanding between Jews and Christians. For centuries, many Jewish people faced persecution in the name of Jesus, which created a deep fear and resistance to even considering Him as the Messiah.
Additionally, many Jewish people are taught that believing in Jesus means abandoning their identity and faith. They see Jesus as part of another religion rather than the fulfillment of the promises in the Hebrew Scriptures.
However, when we study the history and the Bible, we see that Jesus (Yeshua) was Jewish, taught the Torah, and His earliest followers were all Jewish. Believing in Him doesn’t mean rejecting Jewish identity but embracing the fullness of God’s promises.
It’s a journey for each person, and we must approach it with love, patience, and understanding. I hope this helps! 😊
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Thank you for your comment! You're absolutely right that the Hebrew Scriptures mention many "messiahs" (מְשִׁיחִים)—anointed individuals like kings, priests, and prophets, set apart for specific tasks. However, the Tanach also points to "The Messiah", or what religious Judaism calls Mashiach ben David—the ultimate King Messiah who will bring eternal peace, justice, and rule over all nations.
For example:
Isaiah 9:6-7 speaks of a child born who will have an everlasting kingdom as the "Prince of Peace," sitting on David’s throne.
Micah 5:2 prophesies that the Messiah will come from Bethlehem and "his origins are from of old, from ancient times," hinting at a divine nature.
Zechariah 9:9 describes a humble King coming on a donkey, fulfilled in Yeshua (Jesus).
Daniel 7:13-14 envisions the "Son of Man" being given dominion and a kingdom that will never end.
While there are many anointed ones in the Tanach, these prophecies point uniquely to "The" Messiah—the one who would fulfill God's ultimate plan of redemption, not just for Israel, but for the whole world. Yeshua perfectly fulfills these descriptions, and His life, death, and resurrection attest to His role as King Messiah.
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Thank you for your kind response. It’s appreciated.
I can give you many texts countering all of your claims here. I can show you that no one is good, not one, and there is no single person on the planet that keeps God’s laws, although we try. I can show you that there are many points that are made by you that although they are in the Tanakh, the opposite points can be also made using scripture. I can show you that those who accuse us of idolatry, are also guilty of idolatry regardless of whether they are monotheistic in practice.
I can point out where you dodged certain points I made. But in the end what’s important is that we follow the truth regardless of the consequences and that we are humble enough to say “I’m wrong and God, you’re right. Please show me the way so I can serve you properly.” If you’re right, I would lay down everything for the truth. If not, I hope you would accept God’s offer of salvation through his ultimate sacrifice.
We’ve both been taught things and study things but one thing I can say for sure is that on February 10, 2018 Jesus revealed himself to me in such a powerful way, removing fear anxiety, suicidal thoughts and depression in one night. It was a miracle that I could have never done on my own, and the only thing that was different in my life at that time was Jesus. He turned me around, picked me up, and turned me into a man full of joy, peace, and purpose. And the more I study scripture the more I see him in it, and the fulfilment of God‘s plan through him. My Faith started with a miracle and is strengthened through my study of scripture. Even my wife became a believer because of what she saw Jesus do to me. Nobody can take that away. I have a personal intimate relationship with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. One which I never had before. And I give all the glory to God. Thank you for the discussion.
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You are correct. Isaiah 41 and 49 are clearly referring to Israel as it states "Israel my servant". However this does not automatically infer that Isaiah 52 - 53 is referring to the servant as Israel. In context, it is referring to a singular human figure that will be high and exalted (terms used for God). When this was written there were no chapters or breaks so, as it leads into 53, it continues to talk about this singular person who is despised and rejected. Even if we don't include the word "pierced" we see clearly that he was crushed for "our" (the people of Israel's) iniquities. We still may be able to infer that this servant is Israel, until it mentions that 'because of his chastisement and wounds we have peace and are healed'. The LORD then lays upon him the iniquity of us all. His soul makes an offering for guilt.
By 'bearing the iniquities of the people of Israel many shall be accounted righteous.' This infers that those who are afflicting the "servant" are made righteous, given peace and are healed. This disqualifies Israel from being the servant as they were being punished for their transgression against God plus Israel's enemies were also punished by God for afflicting Israel, even those that were used by God to afflict Israel. Those who curse Israel are cursed, not blessed or given atonement. It makes no sense that God would give peace, healing and atonement to those that afflict Israel the servant, as if antisemitism, killing of Jews and taking the people into exile would make atonement for those very same nations that persecuted the nation of Israel. It goes on to say that "he" was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many and makes INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS (only something pure and sinless could do this), which supports the previous claim.
Rashi's interpretation, that claims the servant is the people of Israel, was written during the times of the crusades where Jews were being killed in the name of Jesus and where this aberrant movement who strayed from the Bible and the Jewish roots of their faith persecuted our people. It's easy to understand that his interpretation was influenced by the time period he lived in but a clear and simple reading of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 shows that this servant could in no way be the servant Israel that is spoken of in previous chapters. Many may want to see this servant as Israel but that bias can have people continuing to miss their clearly prophesied Messiah.
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Friend thank you for sharing! This reminds me that we are called to be a salt and a light to the world. In Matthew 5:13, Jesus said,
“You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.”
It is good that you are asking people if they know Jesus. It is often an uncomfortable topic for people who do not have a relationship with God, but what it means to be "salt" is to show the Love of God, and how it is evident in our lives. It shows how God has changed us, and should make people hungry for the same change. Being a light means not hiding the good things that God has done for us, and being faithful to share.
You are doing a good thing. Don't be discouraged! I am telling you this, but really I am also telling myself this. Proverbs 27:17: “As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another.”
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Of course God is complex. I don’t try to simplify Him. Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, the 70 elders, Moses, Hagar, and on saw God. Jacob said in Genesis 32:30 “So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, (the face of God) saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.”
So your position has the contradiction in it, that God cannot or would not appear in flesh. The God I worship is unseen, (Father in Heaven and Spirit), and seen (human appearances of God). The One God I worship is consistent with scripture. The God that is only unseen is inconsistent with scripture as I mentioned in my first response. By the way I appreciate you interacting with me here. These kinds of dialogues are important.
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Then you disagree with Rambam, Ramban, the Targumim, Shimon Bar Yochai, the Zohar, Midrash Rabah and the Gemara, that all say that Isaiah 53 is talking about king messiah. Don’t just read 41, 42 and 44. Read 40-53 and you’ll see 2 servants. One that is Israel, the wayward, sinful nation. And another pure, highly exalted singular servant. There is nothing out of context. You just haven’t gone far enough to notice both servants. Check it out
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Does this peace magically appear without any human intervention? Jesus reconciles man to God bringing peace between man and God which must come from a circumcised heart before there can be peace between man and man. Jesus brought the universal knowledge of God to the world. No one else had made the Tanakh and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob known to the world other than Jesus. Jesus was the first of the resurrection, and Israel is a Jewish nation with millions of Jews having returned. Even religious Judaism makes room for two Messiahs. A suffering Messiah and a Kingly Messiah. All the ingredients are there with Jesus. The Messiah had to have come before 70AD so if Jesus isn’t the promised one, who came before 70AD, was born in Bethlehem, raised in Nazareth, suffered and died, brought peace between God and man, and made God known to the world, then there is no Messiah. It’s all here, laid out in plane view with Jesus. Not all Jews missed our Messiah but we plead with those that have, research the Tanakh on their own without medieval Rabbis who came a thousand years after Jesus telling them what it means. We understand that it’s sad for you that there are Jews who believe in Jesus but to us it’s also sad for those who don’t.
All the Hebrew prophets from God were rejected by the people of Israel including Moses. Don’t forget that. The rejection of Jesus doesn’t disqualify him. If anything it proves that he is who he said he was and is our Messiah. Of course he’s going to be rejected. Moses and Jeremiah were rejected. Elijah and Elisha were sent to the Gentiles. The Hebrew prophets were driven out of their hometowns and brought their message elsewhere. This is a very familiar story where people’s hearts are hard and don’t want to have to give up tradition and control. This is the nature of humanity. But just as religious Judaism has 2 Messiahs that come one time, we believe Jesus fulfills both comings in one.
Many religious Jews believe the Messiah will do what Jesus has done and more and we do as well. Thus the second coming instead of the second Messiah.
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That it’s taking about Israel is more of a modern argument. Even Jewish sages believed it was about Messiah.
Do you disagree with Talmud?
“Leper Scholar” is the name given to Moshiach in Isaiah 53:4 by the Talmud:
Sanhedrin 98b:
“The Rabbis said: His name is ‘the leper scholar,’ as it is written [Isaiah 53:4], ‘Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: but we did esteem him a leper, smitten of God, and afflicted.
The writings of the Rabbonim are replete with commentary on the “suffering of Moshiach.”
Midrash Konen states that Moshiach son of David is bearing wounds and suffering for Israel (as is recorded in Isaiah 53:5)
Midrash Konen:
“...Messiah, son of David who loveth Jerusalem. Elijah takes him by his head, lays him down in his bosom, holds him, and saying ‘Bear thou the sufferings and wounds wherewith the Almighty doth chastise thee for Israel’s sin;’ and so it is written, ‘He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities,’ [Isaiah 53:5] until the time when the end should come.
Ramban (Nachmanides), paints a remarkable picture of Moshiach and the reason for his sufferings using Isaiah 52:14 as his starting point and progressing through chapter 53, including saying that Moshiach would be mocked when he first arrived.
We, as Messianic Jews agree with our Jewish sages that Isaiah 53 is referring to Messiah.
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Jesus' statement in John 14:28, "The Father is greater than I," reflects His role as the Son during His earthly ministry, where He willingly submitted to the Father’s will (Philippians 2:6-8). This does not contradict the doctrine of the Trinity, which teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons but fully one in essence. Jesus, though equal with the Father in divinity (John 10:30), took on a humble, submissive role in His incarnation. His submission doesn't negate His deity but highlights the relational dynamic within the Godhead.
The concept of the Trinity is subtly present in the Tanakh (Old Testament) through hints of a multi-personal God. In Genesis 1:26, God says, "Let Us make man in Our image," implying a plural aspect to God’s nature. Additionally, Isaiah 48:16 speaks of "the Lord GOD and His Spirit" being sent together, showing the interaction between distinct persons within the Godhead, laying a foundation for the fuller revelation of the Trinity in the New Testament. Furthermore, passages like Psalm 110:1, where David speaks of the Lord and His Messiah as distinct but unified, point to a complex unity within God’s nature that is more fully understood with the revelation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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Hi. Great question.
The verses cited affirm that there is only one God and no other Savior but Him—a truth Christians fully affirm. However, these same Scriptures also reveal that God’s salvation is accomplished through His Messiah, who shares in His divine nature.
1. God Alone is Savior (Isaiah 43:11, Hosea 13:4)
• Yet, Isaiah 53:5-6 speaks of God’s servant bearing sins to bring salvation.
• Psalm 2:12 says to “kiss the Son,” warning of judgment for rejecting Him.
• Zechariah 12:10 says Israel will mourn for God as “the one they pierced.”
2. God’s Messiah is Called Divine
• Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah “Mighty God.”
• Daniel 7:13-14 shows the Son of Man receiving worship and an eternal kingdom.
• Micah 5:2 says the Messiah’s origins are “from everlasting.”
3. God’s Oneness is Not a denial of the Messiah’s Divinity
• The Shema (Deut. 6:4) uses the word “Echad” (a unified one, not an absolute one).
• The “Two Powers in Heaven” concept was debated in early Judaism, showing God’s complexity was recognized in ancient Jewish thought (Daniel 7:9-14, Exodus 23:20-22).
These verses do not contradict the Messiah’s divine nature. Rather, they affirm that salvation comes from God alone, which is why Jesus (Yeshua) is Emmanuel—God with us (Isaiah 7:14, Matthew 1:23). To reject the Messiah is to reject God’s salvation (Psalm 2:12, John 3:18).
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Thank you for your respectful comment and detailed explanation. I appreciate it.
If according to your logic the written law cannot be understood without the rabbinical tradition explaining it to us, how then did Adam and Eve understand the meaning of the commandment
“Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” (Genesis 1:28)
How did Abraham understand circumcision if the complete Oral Torah was given to Moses on Sinai?
According to Religious tradition, Abraham also followed the Oral Law. The command of circumcision was given hundreds of years before the Sinai covenant. How did they all know where to cut without the Oral Law?
I believe that what God wanted revealed in his written word was revealed. I also found that whenever Gods law is addressed in the Tanakh, it is either talking directly about a written law referring to a written law.
There are also records within the Tanakh that Moses had to consult God regarding legal issues. Moses himself could not answer Halachic questions. In each of these cases, Moses referred the questions to God and awaited His reply. (Numbers 9, Leviticus 24, Numbers 15 and 27 and other places)
Num. 9:
“And those men said to him, “We are unclean through touching a dead body. Why are we kept from bringing the LORD’s offering at its appointed time among the people of Israel?”
And Moses said to them, “Wait, that I may hear what the LORD will command concerning you.”
This means that Moses didn’t have an Oral Law to refer to, that could interpret the written law for him.
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We don't have to practice idolatry. If Jesus was a mere man, I would agree with you. But if you focus on idolatry as a sin, you must then look through the entire book of the law to see where else us humans sin. What else are we all guilty of? What else keeps us away from God? Idolatry isn't just worshiping a mere man, it is also placing work, fun, people, hobbies, alcohol, sex, dreams, goals above God and making those ultimately important. When you call out one sin, you must look at the entirety of your life and see where you fall short and sin against God.
Our patriarchs of the Hebrew Scriptures encountered God face to face and saw him physically - Genesis 18, Genesis 32, Exodus 24 and many more places. They worshiped him, fed him, offered sacrifices to him - God that was physical and visible. According to your standard, Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Moses, Manoah, were idol worshipers.
Our God is one God, the only God but if you limit him and his ability to be in multiple places at one time, including inhabiting human flesh, you make God into our finite limited image.
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According to Rabbinic Judaism, the Oral Torah was given in its entirety to Moses on Mt. Sinai as a legally binding authority, and from there it was passed on from generation to generation unbroken.
Abraham lived around 400-500 years before Moses, 400-500 years before the Oral Torah, yet God made this covenant with Abraham telling him in Genesis 17:9-14 to keep this covenant where every male among him shall be circumcised in the flesh of their foreskins on the 8th day, and it shall be a sign between God and the people.
How did Abraham know? Well, some say that even Abraham had the Oral Torah but that’s simply a contradiction.
Circumcision was practiced well before God made this covenant with Abraham and it is logical to believe that it was a known practice at the time of Abraham.
There is no evidence either explicit or implicit of a legally binding, Oral Torah given to Moses on Mt. Sinai that was passed down unbroken from generation to generation. Every time the Torah or Law is referred to in the Hebrew Scriptures it is referring to the written Law.
There are many instances in the OT where the people of Israel couldn’t keep the written Torah, let alone a massive Oral Torah filled with Laws, rituals, and obligations many of which have changed over time. The evidence shows the contrary regarding the Oral Torah.
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Some of this is true. Such as God punishing Israel. No where is human sacrifice condoned in the Tanakh so you’re correct as well. But equating child sacrifice to pagan gods with God paying the price that we owe as the ultimate act of love and justice is not a good equivalence. Abraham was told to sacrifice Isaac. This was a clear picture of what was to come, but God stayed Abraham’s hand with Isaac. But he didn’t with Yeshua. Humans should never sacrifice humans but God can be God and send his perfect, sinless son to die on our behalf. Yes it is strange that God can be more than a singular entity while still being One God. Yet the plurality of God is littered throughout the Tanakh. You think it’s strange but humans being mind, body, and spirit is something most accept yet it’s still hard to fully comprehend. There is a wonderful book, The Jewish Gospels, by a religious Jew named Daniel Boyarin who is also a brilliant Talmudic scholar and highly acclaimed and respected author. He’s not a believer in Jesus yet argues in his book that the plurality of God is a Jewish concept that was very prevalent in 2nd Temple period Israel well before the time of Jesus.
Moses pointed to a prophet like himself from among the Jewish people that will come and it is him we need to listen to. No other prophet was like Moses other than Jesus. The parallels between Moses and Jesus are mind blowing. The book “Reading Moses - Seeing Jesus” is a great reference for this.
A believing Jew cannot strictly adhere to God’s commandments because the Mosaic Covenant was brought down with Israel’s disobedience and the destruction of the second temple, and with it the structure of the sacrificial and temple system from which many of God’s commandments were tethered. After 70AD a new form of Judaism had to be created resulting in the Judaism we see today. I can understand why you think the way you think but it is based on faulty theology and an old narrative.
God promised us a New Covenant not like the Sinai Covenant. A new covenant where Gods law will be on our hearts, he will be our God and we will be his people, and our sins will be forgiven and forgotten (Jeremiah 31:31–34). Sounds a lot like the New Testament. Have you read it? If not you’ll be surprised at what you find. Look up Rabbi Isaac Lichtenstein to find out what he thought after opening what he thought was an anti-Semitic, hateful book.
Lastly, I see images, icons and good luck charms all over the houses of religious Jews so that’s also not a good argument. If anything, Rabbinic Judaism is very much like Catholicism.
True Christianity has no images or icons that are believed to have any power or influence and would never be worshiped.
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Isaiah 41 and 49 are clearly referring to Israel as it states "Israel my servant". However this does not automatically infer that Isaiah 52 - 53 is referring to the servant as Israel. In context, it is referring to a singular human figure that will be high and exalted (terms used for God). When this was written there were no chapters or breaks so, as it leads into 53, it continues to talk about this singular person who is despised and rejected. Even if we don't include the word "pierced" we see clearly that he was crushed for "our" (the people of Israel's) iniquities. We still may be able to infer that this servant is Israel, until it mentions that 'because of his chastisement and wounds we have peace and are healed'. The LORD then lays upon him the iniquity of us all. His soul makes an offering for guilt.
By 'bearing the iniquities of the people of Israel many shall be accounted righteous.' This infers that those who are afflicting the "servant" are made righteous, given peace and are healed. This disqualifies Israel from being the servant as they were being punished for their transgression against God plus Israel's enemies were also punished by God for afflicting Israel, even those that were used by God to afflict Israel. Those who curse Israel are cursed, not blessed or given atonement. It makes no sense that God would give peace, healing and atonement to those that afflict Israel the servant, as if antisemitism, killing of Jews and taking the people into exile would make atonement for those very same nations that persecuted the nation of Israel. It goes on to say that "he" was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many and makes INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS (only something pure and sinless could do this), which supports the previous claim.
Rashi's interpretation, that claims the servant is the people of Israel, was written during the times of the crusades where Jews were being killed in the name of Jesus and where this aberrant movement who strayed from the Bible and the Jewish roots of their faith persecuted our people. It's easy to understand that his interpretation was influenced by the time period he lived in but a clear and simple reading of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 shows that this servant could in no way be the servant Israel that is spoken of in previous chapters. Many may not want to see this servant as Israel but that bias can have people continuing to miss their clearly prophesied Messiah.
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Actually yes. Luke states in the opening of his Gospel that he investigated everything carefully and relied on eyewitness accounts. In Luke 1:1-4, he writes:
“Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word. With this in mind, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, I too decided to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught.” (Luke 1:1-4, NIV)
This passage suggests that Luke did not personally witness Jesus’ ministry but compiled his Gospel based on eyewitness testimony from those who had firsthand experience.
Possible Eyewitnesses Luke Interviewed:
1. The Apostles – Luke traveled with Paul (Colossians 4:14; 2 Timothy 4:11; Philemon 1:24), and Paul had close contact with Peter and James (Galatians 1:18-19).
2. Mary, the Mother of Jesus – Luke provides detailed accounts of Jesus’ birth and Mary’s perspective (Luke 1–2), suggesting he may have interviewed her.
3. Other Disciples – Luke uniquely records events such as the Emmaus road encounter (Luke 24:13-35), possibly based on direct testimony from Cleopas or others.
Because Luke also wrote Acts, he had further access to key figures in the early church, making his Gospel a well-researched historical account based on eyewitnesses.
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Well, what’s a good person according to God’s standard? The Tanakh in Ezekiel 18:20 says “The soul that sins shall die…”, in Psalm 14:1-3 (also in Psalm 53:1-3):
1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good.
2 The Lord looks down from heaven
on all mankind to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God.
3 All have turned away, all have become corrupt; there is no one who does good,
not even one.
This passage is often interpreted as describing the fallen state of humanity, where even those who might appear righteous are ultimately flawed, reinforcing the idea that no one is truly good in God’s sight.
So in the end, Rabbinic Judaism still doesn’t have an answer because the logical conclusion to your comment is still, I hope God considers me good. In Biblical Judaism which points to the Messiah Jesus, we do have an answer and God is so loving that He would give us a way to him and that we can have assurance that we will be with him.
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While it's true that certain commandments in the Torah are not explicitly detailed (e.g., circumcision, fringes, or ritual slaughter), the assumption that the Oral Tradition as preserved in rabbinic literature is the only valid explanation is not necessarily conclusive.
Many details of the Torah's commandments can be understood contextually or through simple observation of practices at the time. For instance, circumcision "on the foreskin" (Genesis 17:11) is relatively clear when understood in the context of human anatomy. Similarly, the command to "bind them as a sign upon your hand" (Deuteronomy 6:8) could be seen as metaphorical in some readings, emphasizing internalizing God's commandments rather than prescribing physical t'fillin.
Even within Judaism, there is debate over the extent and content of Oral Tradition. For example, Karaite Jews reject the rabbinic Oral Torah and interpret the written Torah independently. While their practices differ from Rabbinic Judaism, they still view themselves as adhering to the Torah. This diversity suggests that one can engage with Torah commandments meaningfully without relying exclusively on rabbinic tradition.
The Torah itself places great emphasis on studying and meditating on the written word (e.g., Joshua 1:8, Deuteronomy 30:11-14) and does not explicitly or even implicitly mandate an additional Oral Tradition as necessary. Instead, it speaks of the clarity and accessibility of its instructions.
For those who follow Yeshua (Jesus), the New Covenant offers a biblical explanation. Jeremiah 31:31-34 speaks of God writing His law on the hearts of His people, suggesting a shift from external rituals to internal transformation. In this view, the reliance on oral traditions becomes secondary to the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Yeshua, who often challenged human traditions that obscured the intent of the written Torah (e.g., Mark 7:6-13).
While Oral Tradition provides a rich context and continuity for many in Judaism, it is not the only possible lens through which the Torah can be understood. Scripture itself invites us to engage directly with its text and, for believers in Yeshua, to see its fulfillment in Him.
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The claim that Isaiah 9:6 is about Hezekiah fails contextually and linguistically.
First, the titles given in this verse—"Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God (אֵל גִּבּוֹר), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace"—far exceed anything ever ascribed to Hezekiah. "Mighty God" (אֵל גִּבּוֹר) is used elsewhere in Isaiah (10:21) to refer unmistakably to Yahweh Himself.
Second, "Prince of Peace" (שַׂר־שָׁלוֹם) directly speaks to the Messiah's reign bringing ultimate peace. Hezekiah, despite his reforms, did not bring lasting peace, as wars and exile followed his reign.
Finally, Isaiah 9:7 describes the future increase of this ruler’s government and peace as eternal, sitting on David’s throne forever—something that can only be fulfilled in the Messiah, not a finite, earthly king like Hezekiah.
This passage points directly to Jesus as the eternal King and God incarnate.
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Thanks for your comment. You're right. The Oral Law wasn't made up out of the blue. However, there is no evidence scripturally of any Oral Law given to Moses on Mount Sinai. This unbroken chain is completely illogical considering the ubiquitous waywardness of the people of Israel throughout history which included the high priests. A great example of this, among many others is Nehemiah 9:34-35 which says: "Our kings, our princes, our priests, and our fathers have not kept your law or paid attention to your commandments and your warnings you gave them. Even in their own kingdom, and amid your great goodness that you gave them, and in the large rich land that you set before them, they did not serve you or turn from their wicked works."
There is much more evidence against an Oral Law being given to Moses on Sinai and passed down in an unbroken chain, than there is for it. There was definitely an Oral Tradition that was passed down but not as a legally binding Law given at Sinai.
It's clear throughout the Tanakh that the history of Israel and Judah was marked more by apostasy rather than fidelity and by ignorance of the Written Torah more than obedience to it. The horrible judgments suffered by the people of Israel and Judah emphasize this point. Biblical evidence stands against the notion of an unbroken oral law that was passed down unbroken from generation to generation.
It is also interesting that we don't find a single biblical character who wore a Kipah, T'filin, or the religious clothing worn today by religious Jews.
There is much more evidence pointing towards a Talmud/Mishna that was complied as a response to Messianic Judaism after the first and second centuries.
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Moses came, was rejected, went to Midian for 40 years and returned to save his people. Joseph was rejected by his brothers and was sold into slavery only to be recognised later by his family as ruler and saved his family and Egypt from famine (death). The theme of the rejected and then exaltation is common throughout the Tanakh.
The concept of the plurality of God is a pre-Christian concept that comes from our Tanakh. Daniel Boyarin, a religious Jew and Talmudic scholar writes extensively on this topic. In the Tanakh you have the unseen God, the seen God, and the Spirit of God. We don’t need the word trinity to make a point because God is a complex unity where he appears on earth, yet fills the heavens and upholds his creation simultaneously. When we read the Shema, “Hear O’Israel the Lord our God, the Lord is One,” we agree. Even Jesus quoted the Shema. But our God is one what? What does the Hebrew mean when it says Echad אחד? There are instances in Genesis where the word Echad אחד is used to represent a plurality within one whole as in Genesis 1:5 - Day and Night are One day יום אחד , and Genesis 2:24 - For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. בשר אחד. So if the word Echad can mean a complex unity then you can’t say that here it can’t mean it as well. Even God or G-d as you write it, is plural אלוהים.
I agree that God is the only Creator worthy of worship and that He is the One and only True God yet I don’t limit him as you do by saying he can’t appear bodily or send his Spirit to work within creation.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I appreciate your honesty and desire to defend the faith of our ancestors.
First, Jesus is not an idol. He is the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies in the Hebrew Scriptures. For example, Isaiah 53 describes the Messiah as one who suffers for the sins of His people, and Daniel 7:13-14 speaks of the "Son of Man" being given everlasting dominion by God. Jesus fulfills these and many other prophecies, showing that He is not a foreign idol but the promised Redeemer of Israel.
Second, Jesus calls us to action, not convenience. Following Him is anything but easy—He commands us to love our enemies, care for the needy, and lay down our lives for others (Matthew 5:43-44, Matthew 25:35-40, John 15:13). Faith in Jesus is not about saying, "We’re good now," but about being transformed to live in obedience to God.
Lastly, the belief that Christianity is only about believing while Judaism is about doing is a misunderstanding. Jesus Himself affirmed the importance of both faith and action, teaching that true faith produces fruit (James 2:14-17). The heart of Christianity is not to replace the Torah but to fulfill it through love and service (Matthew 5:17).
I encourage you to read the Hebrew Scriptures with an open heart and consider how they point to Jesus as the Messiah of Israel. He is not a departure from Judaism but its fulfillment.
May God bless you as you seek His truth.
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Thank you for taking the time to share your perspective. We truly appreciate your passion for honoring God and seeking truth. We like to clarify through Scripture we believe Jesus is far more than a prophet and why He is one with the Father.
In the Hebrew Scriptures, there are numerous appearances of the “Angel of the LORD,” who speaks as God, identifies Himself as God, and is worshiped as God (e.g., Exodus 3:2-6, Judges 13:18-22). These passages point to the pre-incarnate Messiah, distinct yet one with YHWH. Jesus fulfills these foreshadowings, declaring, “Before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58), directly linking Himself to the divine name revealed to Moses.
You mentioned that all glory and honor belong to YHWH alone, and we completely agree! That’s why Jesus’ words in John 5:23 are so striking: “That all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.” If we honor Jesus any less than we honor the Father, we are not following His teachings.
Regarding the New Testament, it is affirmed as inspired Scripture (2 Timothy 3:16) and fulfills the promises in the Torah and Prophets. Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father.” Zechariah 12:10 reveals that YHWH Himself would be pierced. These prophecies are fulfilled in Jesus.
I pray you’ll consider these Scriptures with an open heart. Our desire is not to lead anyone astray but to point people to the fullness of who God is—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is not in competition with the Father but is the perfect revelation of Him (John 14:9).
May God bless you as you seek Him with all your heart.
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How is faith in Jesus, faith in God's New Covenant (Jer 31:31-34) idolatry? It's only idolatry if Jesus is a mere man. Then we would agree with you. Just like God appeared physically in the Tanakh to Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, Manoah and his wife, we believe that God embodied flesh to bring us back to him and usher in his New Covenant. If faith in Jesus is idolatry, then Abraham, Jacob, Manoah, Gideon are all idolaters as well calling the person they interacted with God. We are simply being consistent in our faith and allowing God to be God and reveal himself as he chooses. We believe in the one and only true God but we don't limit him and make him into our image. God is beyond our ability to fully comprehend. When the Tanakh says in Genesis 2:24, "That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become ONE flesh," we have here a unity between man and woman becoming ONE. How much more could our God be complex in his unity and yet still be the One God? When I look at my family, I say I have ONE family. However there are 5 members of my family. When I look at my car, i say I have one car but it has thousands of parts. How much more, our God in heaven. It seems illogical to place God into a small, finite box and say he is a singular entity with no complexity when the Tanakh surely says otherwise. Even human beings are more complex than just spirit. How much more our mighty God. By the way, The Father, Holy Spirt and Son are all mentioned multiple times in the Tanakh. This is not a Christian invention.
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I totally agree that the Tanakh speaks clearly about redemption (Geulah) for Israel, including Torah from Zion, Sukkot being celebrated, and the Temple being rebuilt with a Davidic King reigning. But these passages actually point us to the Messiah—and specifically to Yeshua.
Isaiah 2 says Torah will go forth from Zion—but Isaiah 42 and 49 say the Servant of the Lord (the Messiah) is to be a light to the nations and bring salvation to the ends of the earth. That’s not just about teaching laws, it’s about global redemption. Yeshua fulfills that. He didn’t cancel Torah he fulfilled it and brought its purpose to completion (see Jeremiah 31:31–34).
Zechariah 14 says the nations will worship the King, but two chapters earlier, Zechariah 12:10 says, “They will look upon Me whom they pierced and mourn for Him.” That’s interesting. G-d is pierced, and then mourned as a Son. That only makes sense if the Messiah is both divine and pierced, exactly what happened in Jesus.
Ezekiel 37 talks about David reigning forever. That can’t be literal David. It’s the Messiah, born from David’s line but ruling forever. Micah 5:2 backs that up, calling the Messiah one “whose goings forth are from ancient days.”
So I’m with you, Geulah is from the G-d of Israel, through Israel, but it’s not complete without the Messiah, and all the signs point to Yeshua.
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I appreciate your concern for Maydan’s spiritual journey. It’s clear you care deeply about her connection to HaShem. But the fact that she heard the gospel of Jesus and her heart was open to it isn’t something to be dismissed—it’s something to consider.
The prophets spoke of a Messiah who would bring atonement, who would be rejected by His own people, and who would be a light to the nations (Isaiah 53, Daniel 9:26, Zechariah 12:10). The very fact that so many Jews—myself included—have come to see Yeshua as that promised Messiah isn’t because we were looking for something else, but because we found the fulfillment of the Tanakh in Him.
HaShem is real. HaShem does love Maydan. And that love is most clearly revealed in the Messiah He sent. I’d encourage you to explore the Scriptures with an open heart, just as she has. You might be surprised by what you find.
As for Rabbi Tovia Singer, while he is passionate in his arguments, he has not been able to honestly refute these prophecies. He often reinterprets Isaiah 53, Daniel 9, and Zechariah 12 to fit a different narrative, yet he avoids addressing the full context and the historical timeline these prophecies point to. More than that, many of his claims contradict the interpretations of the very Jewish sages he claims to represent. For example, Rashi’s view of Isaiah 53 as Israel contradicts earlier rabbinic sources like the Talmud (Sanhedrin 98b), which sees it as referring to the Messiah. Likewise, the sages understood Daniel 9 as a messianic prophecy tied to a specific timeframe—one that aligns with Yeshua.
Many who have taken the time to study these passages for themselves—without filtering them through anti-missionary arguments—have come to the same realization that we have. The question is, are you willing to take that same honest look?
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Isaiah 9:6 uses the prophetic perfect tense, a common feature in Hebrew prophecy where future events are described as though they have already occurred, emphasizing their certainty. This is the same tense used in Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering Servant, which even many traditional Jewish sources acknowledge as future. The child described in Isaiah 9:6 bears titles like Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace—titles that far exceed what could be ascribed to Hezekiah or any human king. While Hezekiah’s reign was significant, it does not align with the everlasting peace and dominion described in verse 7. Rabbinic sources, such as the Targum Jonathan, identify this passage as messianic, referring to the child as the Messiah. Additionally, Midrash Tanchuma connects the government on His shoulders to the Messiah. Even Isaiah 53, often debated, was historically interpreted as messianic by early Jewish writings like the Talmud (Sanhedrin 98b), which describes the Messiah as the suffering Servant. While it’s true that many Israelis today are secular and may not study Scripture deeply, this doesn’t change the historical and contextual understanding of these prophecies as messianic. The connection between Isaiah 9, 11, and 53 paints a picture of a singular figure who establishes eternal righteousness and peace. While Hezekiah may represent a partial fulfillment, the ultimate fulfillment, given the divine titles and eternal scope, points to the Messiah. Jesus fulfills this description, as demonstrated by His life, death, and resurrection, and will ultimately complete it in His return.
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Raised in a Jewish home. Synagogue, Pesach, Sukkot, Sabbath dinners to bring in the Shabbat, Hanukkah, Yom Kippur, Rosh HaShanah, Jewish summer camp, tfilin, Hebrew school, Bar Mitzvah, living in Israel. Other than becoming religious orthodox, we were very Jewish as a family. Meeting Jesus while suicidal is not uncommon and doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Jesus meets us where we are especially when we’ve reached the end of ourselves. He wants all of us and most people when they seem to have it all together, don’t seek God and his help and guidance. He seeks a humble heart that he can mold for his purpose.
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Thanks for your question Greg. I would assume as a conservative Jew, that you were raised hearing that Jesus is not for the Jews. You also undoubtedly know about the atrocities done to our Jewish people in the name of Jesus. You likely have seen the hypocrisy of so-called Christians who say one thing, and act another way towards others. We would contend that being asked to accept Jesus is uncomfortable for everyone, because if Jesus really is the Jewish Messiah, then accepting Jesus means submitting to God's will and letting go of our own.
We have Jewish people tell us to give up Jesus and return to Judaism too. And yes that is uncomfortable for us as well. But we allow ourselves to be challenged. If it is possible that we are committing idolatry by believing in Jesus, then we have to really know and understand what we believe. Was the Messiah's attributes and qualifications of who he would be and do explained in the Hebrew scriptures, and does Jesus fit? If not, we have to reject him.
I personally have considered this and continue to allow for the scriptures to be my guide in that journey. But the more I learn, the more I study, the more I recognize that no one but Jesus could be the Messiah. That while many prophecies have not yet been fulfilled, they will be and in the meantime, Jesus has brought the fullness of life and joy in my heart, in a way that I cannot convince myself it is not real. You hear this in the many stories of Jewish people who have accepted Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, but don't believe them or me... instead open yourself to Hashem, the Living God, who is the only one who can reveal to you if this is true. Read the scriptures, pray to God and ask Him to show you. He will do it.
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Actually, Messianic Judaism as a movement originated in the 1st century – Nazarenes (not to be confused with Nazarites who were Israelites that consecrated themselves to God and lived as monks) were Jewish followers of Jesus. The term Messianic Jew originated in the 19th century to describe Jewish followers of Jesus who wanted to maintain their Jewish identity instead of being absorbed into European protestant culture. Like the Jews of the first century who still practiced their Jewish customs while following Jesus as the Jewish Messiah, many Jews today use the term Messianic Jews or יהודים משיחים, which when translated means Jewish Christians.
Many Jews who respond to us are Reform or Conservative Jews. Those terms also originated in the 19th century to describe Jewish sects who felt that Orthodox Judaism was too rigid. Since they departed from the rigidity of Orthodox Judaism, to be “less observant” I wouldn’t call them cosplaying as Jews. They’re still Jewish but have decided to follow a less rigid version of Rabbinic Judaism. I won't get into the difference between Biblical Judaism and Rabbinic Judaism since that's not the topic of your comment.
What do you mean by "We, the Jewish people"? This content is made by Jews who were raised in Jewish homes, who have Jewish heritage on both sides, who went to Hebrew school, who had Bar-Mitzvah, whose children are Bar-Mitzvah, who went to Jewish summer camps, who learned Hebrew, and who live in Israel speaking fluent Hebrew. You certainly wouldn't be speaking on behalf of all Jews being that only the minority of Jews (approx. 13%) are religious and those who consider themselves Reform or Conservative have thrown off Rabbinic Judaism and the Talmud altogether by departing from it. Yet we still consider them Jewish. There are also atheist Jews who have thrown off the idea of God altogether. What about idol-worshiping New Age Jews who have decided to worship idols, worship themselves, and also throw off the God of our people?
There have been Jewish believers in Jesus since Jesus and there always will be. You may not like it, but to say it doesn't exist is an error.
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Thanks for this excellent and kind explanation. It makes me think... How do you reconcile the commandments or the Law as being not to difficult to understand (as you quoted in Deuteronomy 30:11-14), and yet difficult (or some might say impossible) to keep perfectly? Is the Law not an impediment to our relationship with G-d? As we keep reading in Deuteronomy 30 verses 15-20 G-d outlines blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. What is your understanding of how G-d deals with this "problem" according to the Hebrew scriptures? Did not all break the law and fall short of His standard? Did the Jewish people inherit the land because of obedience or a different reason?
(for reference: Deuteronomy 30:15-20 NASB)
15 “See, I have placed before you today life and happiness, and death and adversity, 16 in that I am commanding you today to love the Lord your G-d, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, so that you may live and become numerous, and that the Lord your G-d may bless you in the land where you are entering to take possession of it. 17 But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but allow yourself to be led astray and you worship other gods and serve them, 18 I declare to you today that you will certainly perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and take possession of it. 19 I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have placed before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, 20 by loving the Lord your G-d, by obeying His voice, and by holding close to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, so that you may live in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”
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No one can obey the Torah, especially the Law of Moses without a standing temple, alter and sacrificial system. No one stones gay people. No one stones the adulterer. People will be lost as long as they think they are good enough to obey God's commands. We can't, therefore we need someone who can. Jesus. Jesus is the only way to be reconnected with God and to inherit eternal life. We then receive, through faith in Yeshua, his Spirit which enables us to live out his commands - even though we fail. Without faith in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus, we are condemned by the Law of Moses, not redeemed.
My question to you is: How does one obtain forgiveness and eternal life? If your answer is anything more than faith in Yeshua and his atoning sacrifice for our sins, then your theology is off. Repentance is absolutely necessary but in no way will grant us forgiveness of our sins and eternal life.
How would you address a dying person in their bed who has no history of obeying the Law of Moses, who is dying and has no time to obey God's laws? How can they receive forgiveness and eternal life? According to your theology, they cannot and are damned. But according to Jesus, even the criminal on the cross next to Jesus inherited eternal life, not by obeying God's commands, not by jumping down from the cross and putting on a prayer shawl with tassles. No. By repenting and recognizing Jesus for who he is. Was he perfect like Jesus? Are you perfect like Jesus? Of course not. Should we try to be? Of course we should. I preach the gospel as I'm instructed to. The person I was speaking with, follows commands that are not in the Bible. As a tradition? Fine. To each their own. As a means of forgiveness of sin and attaining everlasting life - of course not.
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Jacob did wrestle with God, as Genesis 32:30 says, “So Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, saying, ‘For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered.’” As for Moses, Numbers 12:8 affirms his unique relationship: “With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord.” Both encountered God, but in different ways.
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Hello dear friend. I pray a blessing over you and your family, that the grace of God would abound more and more spurring you on to salvation and good works. Let us know how we can serve you and your family by emailing us at youtube@jewsforjesus.org
2 Corinthians 12:8-10
"8 Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9 But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that [Messiah’s] power may rest on me. 10 That is why, for [Messiah’s] sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong."
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Isaiah 9:6 is far more than a prophecy—it’s a declaration of who Jesus is, both in Scripture and in the lives of those who follow Him.
Jesus is the Mighty God, as affirmed throughout the Bible. John 1:1 calls Him the Word who "was God," and Hebrews 1:8 shows the Father addressing Him as God, saying, "Your throne, O God, is forever." In my life, and in the lives of countless others, Jesus has demonstrated His power to transform hearts, rescue from despair, and provide strength in weakness. This isn’t a concept; it’s a reality lived by believers worldwide.
He is also the Wonderful Counselor, whose wisdom and guidance surpass human understanding. Isaiah’s prophecy is reflected in Jesus’ teachings, which have brought clarity and healing to countless lives. In my own journey, His words and the work of His Spirit have guided me through confusion and fear, providing the wisdom I needed when my own failed.
As the Prince of Peace, Jesus fulfills Isaiah’s promise to bring peace that the world cannot give (John 14:27). I’ve experienced this peace personally—peace that sustains even in the face of trials. History is full of testimonies of believers who found profound calm and assurance in Him, even in moments of suffering or persecution.
Finally, the title Everlasting Father highlights His eternal care and protection. Jesus said, "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish" (John 10:28). This fatherly care is something I’ve experienced deeply in His provision and love, and it’s a promise that has been fulfilled for generations of believers who’ve trusted in Him.
Isaiah 9:6 isn’t just lofty language—it’s the truth of Jesus, seen in the Scriptures and confirmed by lives transformed through Him. Far from delusion, it’s the heartbeat of the gospel, lived out by millions over centuries, offering hope, peace, and eternal life.
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@baldeagle-cq2jl Thanks for your clarification. You asked if there are multiple truths, and I think we all agree that if there can be multiple truths, truth loses its meaning. We do believe there is one truth, and that God is the author of truth. We need to look to Him to answer our questions. This can be hard when we don't know where to look or where to start, or how to identify truth when we see it. You are correct that two people can look at a verse or the Bible and come to different conclusions, and it may seem that this has been happening for thousands of years. In reality, many people have not really read the scriptures for themselves and these days, when we all have easy access to it, we still do not do it. One key to recognize is that we all have bias, and we need to learn to understand our bias so that we can try to read the scripture without our bias, but to try to understand what God is speaking to us. If you would like to speak more about this, write us at youtube@jewsforjesus.org.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I understand your concerns, and I want to respond with love and truth from Scripture.
The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus is both the Messiah and God in the flesh. In John 1:1, it says, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Jesus, the Word, became flesh (John 1:14), showing that He is fully God and fully man. Jesus Himself affirmed His divinity in John 10:30, saying, “I and the Father are one.”
The Messiah in the Hebrew Scriptures is portrayed as the one who would redeem Israel and the world (Isaiah 9:6, Zechariah 12:10), and Jesus fulfills these prophecies. He is both the Savior and the fulfillment of God’s promises, not separate from God but one with Him, as shown in John 14:9–10.
The doctrine of the Trinity does not mean that God is divided but that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are united in one divine essence, working together to accomplish God’s plan of salvation.
I pray that you would seek the truth with an open heart and consider the fullness of who Jesus is. May God guide you in your journey.
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This comment is based on some big misconceptions. The idea that we "only go for atheist Jews who don’t know the Bible" just isn’t true. We engage with Orthodox Jews all the time, and many of us came to faith because of deep study of the Tanakh. Some of the most knowledgeable Jewish scholars, including former rabbis, have recognized Yeshua as the Messiah through Scripture.
Calling something "Christian lies" without offering any proof doesn’t really say much. If you believe there are falsehoods, show them. The Torah itself teaches us to test all things and hold on to what is true (Deut. 19:15-18, 1 Thess. 5:21). Dismissing something without evidence isn’t a real argument.
And about telling us to "stay away from the Jewish people"— We are Jewish, Yeshua is Jewish, His disciples were Jewish, and the gospel was first preached to the Jewish people. Many Jews today believe in Him, just as the first-century Jewish believers did. You don’t have to agree, but it’s simply a fact.
As for idolatry, the Tanakh itself describes the Messiah in divine terms. Isaiah 9:6 calls Him "Mighty God," Daniel 7:13-14 shows the Son of Man receiving worship, and Zechariah 12:10 has God saying, "They will look upon Me whom they have pierced." If we care about the God of Israel, we should wrestle with these passages rather than just dismissing them.
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You're right. It is horrible what "so called" Catholics and Christians have done with forced conversions and massacring Jews. No one denies that.
Consider this:
You have Christians that died to save the lives of Jews and that bless Israel and the Jewish people.
You have "so called" Christians that killed Jews.
Now, take a look at the teachings of Jesus:
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."(Mathew 7:12)
"Blessed are the peacemakers." (Mathew 5:9)
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you." (Mathew 5:44)
"Forgive others as you want to be forgiven." (Mathew 6:14-15)
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and love your neighbor as yourself." (Mathew 22:37-39)
"Whoever wants to be first must be last and servant of all." (Mark 9:35)
Your feelings are valid but have nothing to do with Jesus. They have everything to do with wicked human beings that use God, Jesus, Islam, Communism, Atheism... to kill and destroy.
As Jewish believers in Jesus we have realized that by scriptural, experiential, historical and spiritual evidence that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. This is why thousands of Jews followed him, including rabbis, when he arrived and Millions throughout history as well. And we don't stop being Jewish. Thank you for your comment.
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Thank you for your comment. First, while it's true that several people in the Bible are called "sons of God" (such as Adam, the nation of Israel, and angels), the title for Jesus is unique. In the New Testament, Jesus is called the Son of God in a way that implies His unique divine nature. For example, in John 10:36, Jesus Himself asks, "Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" Here, Jesus is clearly asserting a distinct relationship with God the Father. Additionally, in John 1:1-14, it is stated that "the Word was God" and that "the Word became flesh" in the person of Jesus. This shows that, while others may be called "sons of God," Jesus is uniquely the Son in the fullest sense, as God incarnate.
Regarding the belief in a "human son of God," it’s important to recognize that Christianity teaches that Jesus, as the Son of God, is both fully divine and fully human. This is known as the doctrine of the Incarnation, where God the Son took on human nature in Jesus without ceasing to be God. It’s not an oxymoron, but a profound mystery of God revealing Himself to us in a way we can understand.
As for the date of Jesus' birth, it's true that December 25th is not His actual birthdate. The Bible does not specify the exact date. The celebration on December 25th originated in the early Church, and while it may coincide with other historical or cultural events, it serves as a time to remember and celebrate the birth of Jesus, who came to offer salvation to the world.
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Thanks for your comment. I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying? Are you saying that you are worried you are being deceived about who Jesus really is? Don't believe people, believe God, pray and ask Him to reveal the truth to you. Also read the scriptures and pray that God will give you the ability to know truth over lies.
Proverbs 3:5-6 (NIV) "Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight."
Philippians 1:9-10 (NIV), "And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ."
1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (NIV) "9 However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” — the things God has prepared for those who love him— 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ."
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Isaiah 41 and 49 are clearly referring to Israel as it states "Israel my servant". However this does not automatically infer that Isaiah 52 - 53 is referring to the servant as Israel. In context, it is referring to a singular human figure that will be high and exalted (terms used for God). When this was written there were no chapters or breaks so, as it leads into 53, it continues to talk about this singular person who is despised and rejected. Even if we don't include the word "pierced" we see clearly that he was crushed for "our" (the people of Israel's) iniquities. We still may be able to infer that this servant is Israel, until it mentions that 'because of his chastisement and wounds we have peace and are healed'. The LORD then lays upon him the iniquity of us all. His soul makes an offering for guilt.
By 'bearing the iniquities of the people of Israel many shall be accounted righteous.' This infers that those who are afflicting the "servant" are made righteous, given peace and are healed. This disqualifies Israel from being the servant as they were being punished for their transgression against God plus Israel's enemies were also punished by God for afflicting Israel, even those that were used by God to afflict Israel. Those who curse Israel are cursed, not blessed or given atonement. It makes no sense that God would give peace, healing and atonement to those that afflict Israel the servant, as if antisemitism, killing of Jews and taking the people into exile would make atonement for those very same nations that persecuted the nation of Israel. It goes on to say that "he" was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many and makes INTERCESSION FOR THE TRANSGRESSORS (only something pure and sinless could do this), which supports the previous claim.
Rashi's interpretation, that claims the servant is the people of Israel, was written during the times of the crusades where Jews were being killed in the name of Jesus and where this aberrant movement who strayed from the Bible and the Jewish roots of their faith persecuted our people. It's easy to understand that his interpretation was influenced by the time period he lived in but a clear and simple reading of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 shows that this servant could in no way be the servant Israel that is spoken of in previous chapters. Many may not want to see this servant as Israel but that bias can have people continuing to miss their clearly prophesied Messiah.
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We agree. Our encouragement is not to talk to us Messianic Jews. We just want people to read the Tanakh for themselves and make sure they have not missed the promised Messiah. Don't walk away from the Word of Adonai.
Isaiah 55
1 “Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
2 Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.
3 Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
my faithful love promised to David.
4 See, I have made him a witness to the peoples,
a ruler and commander of the peoples.
5 Surely you will summon nations you know not,
and nations you do not know will come running to you,
because of the Lord your God,
the Holy One of Israel,
for he has endowed you with splendor.”
6 Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
8 “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10 As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11 so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
12 You will go out in joy
and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and hills
will burst into song before you,
and all the trees of the field
will clap their hands.
13 Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper,
and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the Lord’s renown,
for an everlasting sign,
that will endure forever.”
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The claim that Isaiah 7:14 was misquoted ignores key facts. While almah (עַלְמָה) can mean "young woman," it is never used for a married woman in the Tanakh, and in every instance, it refers to an unmarried girl, which strongly implies virginity (Genesis 24:43, Exodus 2:8, Proverbs 30:19). The Septuagint, translated by Jewish scholars before Christianity, rendered it as parthenos (παρθένος), meaning "virgin"—a translation accepted by Jewish communities long before Matthew quoted it. Additionally, the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 isn't just about Ahaz’s immediate crisis. Isaiah 9:6 expands on this child as a divine figure, and Isaiah 8 doesn’t mention Immanuel being born in Ahaz’s time. The sign wasn’t just for Ahaz but for the House of David, pointing to a far greater fulfillment.
If the Christian understanding ignores context, why did early Jewish translators interpret almah as "virgin" in the first place? And why do the Targums and later rabbis associate Isaiah 9:6 and Isaiah 11 with the Messiah? Dismissing this as "Greco-Roman pagan idolatry" ignores the Jewish sources that recognized these messianic themes long before Christianity. If you want to challenge Matthew, you need more than just assertions—you need to explain why pre-Christian Jewish scholars, independent of the New Testament, interpreted these passages the same way.
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You are right, we don't know what Jesus looked like. But we do know who he is because and recognize him, just like we recognize our parents. We recognize our creator, His authority, His power to draw us to himself, and we have peace in our hearts because of him. Colossians 1:15-21 (NIV)
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior."
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Thank you for your comment! Let me respond biblically and respectfully:
First, Jesus' name in Hebrew is Yeshua (יֵשׁוּעַ), which means "salvation" and is the same name as Joshua in the Old Testament (e.g., Nehemiah 8:17). When translated into Greek, it became Iēsous (Ἰησοῦς), and later, into English, "Jesus." The name "Jesus" is simply the English form of Yeshua, and both point to the same person—the Savior.
Second, regarding Christmas and Judaism, many Jews today, even those fluent in English, know little about the meaning of Christmas because it’s not part of their religious or cultural upbringing. The gap in understanding is real and highlights the need for gospel outreach.
Lastly, Jesus was born into first-century Judaism, which sought to follow the Law and the Prophets. He fulfilled them perfectly (Matthew 5:17). While Rabbinic Judaism, which developed after the Babylonian exile and the destruction of the Temple, differs from the biblical faith Jesus embodied, Jesus lived as a Jew, celebrated Jewish festivals, and upheld the Scriptures.
The most important thing is not how we pronounce His name but that we know who He is—the Messiah, the Son of God, and our Savior (John 20:31). Thank you for encouraging gospel outreach; may we all seek to honor Him, whether we call Him Jesus or Yeshua!
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Great questions! The Jewish understanding of the Messiah varies, but here’s a concise biblical perspective:
The Messiah is expected to be a human descendant of King David (2 Samuel 7:12-16, Isaiah 11:1). He will bring peace to Israel and the world (Isaiah 2:4, Micah 4:3), perform acts of righteousness and justice (Jeremiah 23:5-6), and restore the temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). Some Jewish traditions believe he will perform miracles (Isaiah 35:5-6).
The key question—how will the Messiah be recognized? Jewish tradition points to fulfilling prophecies, such as being born in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), suffering for others (Isaiah 53), and being a light to the nations (Isaiah 49:6). Many Jews look for a time of global peace and restoration as signs of his arrival.
As believers in Jesus, we see Him fulfilling these prophecies. He was born in Bethlehem, performed miracles, suffered for sin, and promised to return to bring ultimate peace and restoration (John 14:27, Revelation 21:3-4).
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Actually, we are Jewish. We have Jewish heritage on both sides, went to Hebrew school, had Bar Mitzvah, went to Jewish summer camps, have kids who have had Bar Mitzvah, celebrate Passover, Sukkot etc., have Shabbat dinners with our families, live in Israel and speak fluent Hebrew. In many ways, we observe more Jewish tradition than many other Jews who do not believe in Jesus. We simply believe that Jesus was and is the fulfillment of the Messianic prophecy in the Tanach. He also changed us in miraculous ways. We don't eat cheeseburgers although we do eat hamburgers from time to time.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts and passion for the Scriptures. I appreciate your concern for truth.
You mentioned that the Tanakh says God is not a man, referencing passages like Hosea 11:9 and Numbers 23:19. These verses emphasize that God is not like sinful humans who lie or change their minds. However, the Scriptures also reveal instances where God takes on human attributes or appearances to interact with His people.
For example, Exodus 15:3 declares, “The LORD יהוה is a man of war; the LORD יהןה is His name.” This does not mean God is limited to human nature but shows that He can manifest in ways we understand. In Genesis 18, יהוה appeared as a man to Abraham and even shared a meal with him.
Furthermore, the Hebrew Scriptures point to the Messiah as both divine and human. Isaiah 9:6 calls Him “Mighty God” and “Everlasting Father,” and Zechariah 12:10 reveals that יהוה Himself will be pierced. These passages show that God, while transcendent, can and does enter His creation for the sake of His people.
Jesus is not a “foreign god” but the fulfillment of God’s promises. His name, Yeshua, means “יהוה saves,” pointing to His divine role as our Savior (Isaiah 43:11).
I encourage you to prayerfully consider these Scriptures. My desire is not to argue but to point to the fullness of God’s revelation in the Tanakh and the New Testament. May God bless you as you seek Him with all your heart.
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That’s a fair question. But consider this: Many of these prophecies describe things outside of Jesus’ control if He were just a man trying to fit the script—His birthplace (Micah 5:2), His manner of death (Psalm 22, Isaiah 53), His rejection by His people (Isaiah 53:3), and even the piercing of His hands and feet (Psalm 22:16, Zechariah 12:10).
Additionally, the Dead Sea Scrolls prove these prophecies were written centuries before Jesus, so they weren’t retrofitted. And if Jesus were merely a fraud, how do you explain His resurrection, which even His enemies couldn’t disprove (Matthew 28:11-15)? The fulfilled prophecies, His life, death, and resurrection all point to one thing—He is exactly who He claimed to be: the Messiah.
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You’re right. It is forbidden to put our faith in angels. Yet there were 3 men there. Yes, 2 of which were angels. But Abraham is clearly speaking with יהוה the LORD.
Genesis 18
v2 He lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, three men were standing in front of him. When he saw them, he ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the earth
V33 And the LORD יהוה went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place.
Genesis 19
v1 The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom.
V24 Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD out of heaven.
V25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.
V26 But Lot’s wife, behind him, looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.
V27 And Abraham went early in the morning to the place where he had stood before the LORD.
Abraham is talking face to face with יהוה
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I truly appreciate your desire to seek truth.
You mentioned that Jesus isn’t God, but the Bible presents Him as both fully God and fully man. In Revelation 1:1, you correctly note that God gave Jesus the revelation, but this does not negate Jesus’ divinity. In fact, Jesus Himself speaks of His unity with the Father in John 10:30: “I and the Father are one.” He also received worship, which is only due to God, and accepted it without objection (Matthew 14:33, John 9:38).
As the eternal Word made flesh (John 1:1,14), Jesus is the one through whom all things were made (Colossians 1:16). The Father and Son are distinct but united in essence, a mystery we see clearly revealed in the doctrine of the Trinity.
As for praying in the name of Jesus, Scripture encourages us to do so, as He is the mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5). This isn’t idolatry; rather, it’s honoring the one who is the full revelation of God’s love, as Isaiah 9:6 prophesied: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulder. And his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
I hope this clarifies the heart behind our channel. We are not leading people into idolatry but into the truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of God’s promises as both Messiah and God in the flesh.
May God bless you as you continue to seek His truth.
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Isaiah 9:6 uses the prophetic perfect tense, a common feature in Hebrew prophecy where future events are described as though they have already occurred, emphasizing their certainty. This is the same tense used in Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering Servant, which even many traditional Jewish sources acknowledge as future. The child described in Isaiah 9:6 bears titles like Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace—titles that far exceed what could be ascribed to Hezekiah or any human king. While Hezekiah’s reign was significant, it does not align with the everlasting peace and dominion described in verse 7. Rabbinic sources, such as the Targum Jonathan, identify this passage as messianic, referring to the child as the Messiah. Additionally, Midrash Tanchuma connects the government on His shoulders to the Messiah. Even Isaiah 53, often debated, was historically interpreted as messianic by early Jewish writings like the Talmud (Sanhedrin 98b), which describes the Messiah as the suffering Servant. While it’s true that many Israelis today are secular and may not study Scripture deeply, this doesn’t change the historical and contextual understanding of these prophecies as messianic. The connection between Isaiah 9, 11, and 53 paints a picture of a singular figure who establishes eternal righteousness and peace. While Hezekiah may represent a partial fulfillment, the ultimate fulfillment, given the divine titles and eternal scope, points to the Messiah. Jesus fulfills this description, as demonstrated by His life, death, and resurrection, and will ultimately complete it in His return.
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We are proud in God alone. The Torah not only hints but shouts it out for the world to see, Jew and Gentile.
A correct understanding of Christian theology would never have someone coming to the conclusion that we worship more than one God or a mere man.
Isaiah 9:6 uses the prophetic perfect tense, a common feature in Hebrew prophecy where future events are described as though they have already occurred, emphasizing their certainty. This is the same tense used in Isaiah 53 to describe the suffering Servant, which even many traditional Jewish sources acknowledge as future. The child described in Isaiah 9:6 bears titles like Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, and Prince of Peace—titles that far exceed what could be ascribed to Hezekiah or any human king. While Hezekiah’s reign was significant, it does not align with the everlasting peace and dominion described in verse 7. Rabbinic sources, such as the Targum Jonathan, identify this passage as messianic, referring to the child as the Messiah. Additionally, Midrash Tanchuma connects the government on His shoulders to the Messiah. Even Isaiah 53, often debated, was historically interpreted as messianic by early Jewish writings like the Talmud (Sanhedrin 98b), which describes the Messiah as the suffering Servant. While it’s true that many Israelis today are secular and may not study Scripture deeply, this doesn’t change the historical and contextual understanding of these prophecies as messianic. The connection between Isaiah 9, 11, and 53 paints a picture of a singular figure who establishes eternal righteousness and peace. While Hezekiah may represent a partial fulfillment, the ultimate fulfillment, given the divine titles and eternal scope, points to the Messiah. Jesus fulfills this description, as demonstrated by His life, death, and resurrection, and will ultimately complete it in His return.
Here is a wonderful and informative video breaking it all down
https://youtu.be/_ZjPaRv8SZw?si=9lZ3JnzBk4dwwg-h
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