Comments by "Vic 2.0" (@Vic2point0) on "The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder" channel.

  1. "Trans rights" meaning special rights. No one else can coerce you into speaking differently and running your business, etc. in accordance with their incoherent worldview.
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  2. Doesn't sound like Gavin to me. But even assuming that it's him, how does that excuse or take away from the fact that you guys are afraid to go on his show?
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  3. So intellectually dishonest, Sam. The guy's debated this topic many times, you're just trying to make it look like this is the full extent of his thoughts on the matter. P.S. - Are you still afraid to go on Gavin McInnes' show? Just curious.
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  4. This is the guy who wants to debate Steven Crowder? "I feel like Matt Walsh hasn't put any effort in." Well thankfully neither his pay nor the country is run by your feelings. When you actually come up with an argument against something Walsh said, however, let us know.
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  5. Matt is right. You have to be ready and willing to do whatever it takes to protect your children. And you guys should agree with him on that point! After all, you think that promoting this incoherent worldview to children (or at least facilitating it) is what's going to protect them (or at least that's the narrative - transition them to keep them from taking their own lives!), and so you do. So the only question is, who is correct? Let's start with whoever can give an objective, workable definition of terms like "man" and "woman".
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  6. And... where is your proof that he actually promoted/condoned teenage pregnancy?
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  7. Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse gender itself with gender roles and norms. One in which they insist others are incorrect in using terms like "man" or "woman" while being unable to provide objective definitions for these terms themselves. And one in which they even frequently equate disagreement with hate, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
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  8. Ok so you've established that both black and white women should be considered women despite (stereotypically) having different experiences... But what makes an adult human male a woman?
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  9.  @NJames-dh6kz  Sometimes they are, because some types of discrimination are justified. Such as the discrimination which says, "You're not me, therefore you shouldn't have control over the words I speak, how I run my business, who I employ, etc." We all have the right to discriminate in that way.
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  10. Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse the inclination/disinclination to adhere to certain gender roles and norms with gender itself, in which they insist that some people are incorrect in their use of terms like "man" and "woman" while being unable to provide objective definitions for these terms themselves, and sometimes they even confuse disagreement with hate, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
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  11. More misrepresentation from Sam Seder. And you wonder why she won't debate you? The truth is that Candace was speaking facts that night. Even T.I. and Killer Mike were agreeing with a lot of what she said. T.I. only interrupted her because he could see she was tryna give a thoughtful answer. Can't have that! Gotta shut her up! Meanwhile, Killer Mike gave what seemed like a very similar answer to what she was trying to give. Yet he gets all the applause, Candace all the disdain. No surprise there. So to answer T.I.'s question, we got to make up our minds if we are talking about how Americans in general were living or just the disparities between black and white Americans. If we're talking about the latter, it was in the 50s before the welfare state had been established. From there, we would see fatherlessness in the home skyrocket, being incentivized by the so-called "War on Poverty". Take Killer Mike's advice and read some Thomas Sowell if you don't know about it. But if we're talking more generally, in recent years we've all enjoyed blessings in medicine, technology, access to information, etc. that those decades could only dream of. Americans of all colors and socioeconomic status are doing better than ever before. But I'd say it was greater maybe a decade ago, before the SJWs and feminists and race-baiters (more oppressive inventions of the left) were given so much power. In our universities, in Hollywood, in the mainstream media, everywhere. And they took aim at EVERYBODY Just got through tryna cancel Dave Chappelle. Before that they tried to get Mario Lopez fired because he said maybe we shouldn't let 3-year olds choose their fuckin' gender. Trump was a response to exactly that sort of bullshit. T.I. jumps back to before women could vote or before blacks were freed from slavery because it fits his agenda. There's no need for all that. We all know that part of why Trump's in office is because he's a giant middle finger to the establishment, career politicians, and everybody trying to shut us up. And that's real.
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  12.  @darrenbradleytwin  Well said! "Trans rights" are indeed special rights. No one else gets to coerce others into speaking differently and running their business, etc. in accordance with their incoherent worldview.
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  13.  @NJames-dh6kz  "it's not an incoherent worldview" Sure it is. It requires people to confuse the inclination/disinclination to adhere to gender roles and norms with gender itself, to insist that others are incorrect in using terms like "man" and "woman" while never being able to provide objective definitions for these terms yourself, and even sometimes equating disagreement with hate which is irresponsible in addition to being inaccurate. "according to modern scientific consensus." What exactly are you saying they've reached a consensus on. And how? "A person's gender identity is as much a fundamental part of who they are as sexual orientation or race." What is the objective standard for this "gender identity" then?
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  14.  @DarkPuppy9  "no, the reasons you gave aren't reasons." How so? How is it not incoherent to confuse the inclination/disinclination to adhere to gender roles and norms with gender itself? How is it coherent to insist that others are incorrect in using terms like "man" or "woman" while being unable to give objective definitions for these terms yourself? How does it make sense to equate disagreement with hatred? "i honestly doubt you have spoken to anyone about it." Yeah, most of the trans people and advocates (like you) have tried that angle as well. In the meantime, I'm talking to you right now and you're refusing to even try and make transgenderism make sense. "also, you are literally justifying discrimination" Some types of discrimination are justified, yes. "and violence against a minority." Nothing I said suggests I'm okay with violence, no.
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  15.  @NJames-dh6kz  "but gender is about roles and norms." No. Gender roles and norms are based on your gender, aka biological sex. Gender and sex are one and the same, which is why the roles we're expected to play based solely on our biological sex are called "gender roles" to begin with. "Dysphoria is caused by living in a gender role that is discordant and is relieved by transitioning. Where is the incoherence in this?" It's the worldview itself that is incoherent. Just because you're more comfortable adhering to the gender roles and norms of a woman, for example, doesn't mean you're a woman. Indeed, the most intellectually honest definition you could possibly give for "woman", on your worldview, is the circular "someone who identifies as a woman", wholly apart from how they want to live.
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  16.  @mk.........  "The real question is why this is so upsetting for you," No, that's just a question you're trying to use to get us off-topic. But to answer, nothing I've said suggests I'm upset about any of it. Are you meaning to ask "Why do you care so much?" "If someone asks me to use the correct gender, I do so" How do you know? What makes it the correct gender? "cause I don't really give a sh!t." Now that, I'm inclined to believe. "If someone thinks he/she/it/whatever is a unicorn then I will call it a unicorn if it makes it feel better." Lol, well at least you're trying to be consistent... so far. What about a white person who identifies as black? Or a 10-year old who identifies as 30? "That's called being polite and kind." There are many ways to be polite and kind, without blindly calling someone something they're not... "And as long as it doesn't affect me personally," So you agree that people should be able to speak how they want, run their business how they want, etc.? "Maybe it's because you want everyone to be like you" Unfounded. Again, maybe you're meaning to simply ask me "Why do you care?" and just failing...
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  17.  @MrMarket1987  "You literally do NOT have a right to speak however you want NOR run a business however you want." Of course we do. You don't own me nor my business, just like I don't own you or yours. It's very strange that you would insist on being able to force others to live according to your worldview here (especially with it being so incoherent). "If you really wanna talk morals, it's a good moral to mind your tongue if you ain't got something nice to say about an average person that ain't even being a bother." Oh the irony. Or, what is "being a bother"? Because all I've done is say something you disagree with so far, yet you've no moral qualms with criticizing me... If you can't even follow this principle of "mind your tongue", why do you expect me to do it?
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  18.  @DarkPuppy9  "well for starters nobody is indoctronating kids to be trans" How could you possibly know that no one is doing this? And what does that have to do with anything I've said anyway? "They do have definitions," All of them subjective and/or circular so far, yes, which is the problem. "You see people don't explain it to you, because you don't want to listen and you engage in bad faith arguments." Also unfounded. And I've actually had lots of people make an effort to explain it to me, but that resulted in me finding out there really isn't any sound logic there. "No type of discrimination is justified" Nonsense. We discriminate all the time. There's tons of things you can do that I wouldn't be permitted to do. Things having to do with your money, your home/business, your spouse (if you have one), etc. The question is never, "Is discrimination okay?" but always "What is justified and what is unjustified discrimination?" and then of course "Why?" "I mean you're othering a minority," How do you mean "othering"? Just disagreeing? Because that's all I've done. "insulting them and making accusations." I haven't insulted them, no, and the only "accusation" I've made of trans people and trans advocates is that they subscribe to a worldview they cannot logically defend. "So I'm sorry if you doing the same thing that people who commit violence do that I mistook you for one." Except that's not what you did. People who commit violence are wrong because they commit violence, not because they might agree with any given statement. What next? Is "2+2=4" hate speech, since surely most violent criminals will agree with it?
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  19.  @NJames-dh6kz  Well that's certainly the story they're trying to tell, but as I said, we've known gender and sex to be one and the same for a long time now. It's why the roles we're expected to play based solely on our sex are called "gender roles". Transgenderism confuses gender with the roles and norms traditionally called "gender roles" and "gender norms". It's one of the many problems with this worldview, really.
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  20.  @DarkPuppy9  "All definitions of norms are subjective." I didn't ask what defines a gender role or gender norm; I'm asking you if you can provide an objective definition for "man" or "woman". And if you're admitting now that you can't, this only supports my point that it's incoherent to then say, "You're misgendering/using that term incorrectly." "you aren't listening" I'm listening just fine. You haven't come up with an actual solution. You've spent most of your time trying to attack me personally, in fact, and go on weird tangents or rants about "the right". "No, discrimination has a legal definition and that is what you are doing." So your argument is that whatever's legal = right and whatever's illegal = wrong? "You have more than once here accused trans people of trying to indoctronate children." Well that's a blatant lie. You're either intentionally lying now or confusing me with someone else. "pretending you don't share an ideology with violent actors," Again, what is this ideology? Just agreeing that transgenderism is incoherent doesn't suggest that I agree with them on being violent (and naturally, I don't). You are again trying to equate someone disagreeing with you with someone hating you/trans people, but that doesn't logically follow.
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  21.  @crackerscheese33  Same. And to top it all off, people are telling them that anyone who disagrees with this worldview hates them. It's sick, really.
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  22. Rubin was talking about how people claim to be oppressed and victimized when they're really not. And Jordan Peterson nodded in agreement. And then some monkeys on YouTube thought they had really insightful criticism of the conversation.
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  23. Sounds like he was actually trying to make the point that the main harm in teenage pregnancy comes from them not being in a solid, stable, committed relationship. And I don't see how you can deny that, unless you're part of the Majority Report or something! Lol... Oh shit, look where I am!
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  24. Two months later 90% of the internet is congratulating her for putting some idiot in his place who tried to assassinate her character over this exact soundbite.
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  25. I love how two different people who disagree on things can be civil about it and work it out. This is why I'm a huge fan of Shapiro, Rubin, Rogan, Crowder, well almost everybody in the IDW!
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  26. Lol. Joe Rogan tries to boost what's correct, that is all. He agrees with whatever there seems to be good arguments for, which is what we all should be doing. But of course that doesn't mean he's always going to be correct, or always going to be conservative/liberal. For example, I think he's highly misinformed about the history of Christianity and why people believe. But for the most part he's fair in assessing the arguments/evidence brought to him. That this sometimes "supports the conservatives" on certain issues is not his fault.
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  27. People voluntarily paying for other people's food, clothing, shelter, education, medical needs, etc.? Happens all the time. People voluntarily paying for other people's roads? IMPOSSIBLE!
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  28. So Ben uses a word that means refinement and being well-mannered to refer to the founders, which leads you to think of the fact that they were white... and he's the racist?
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  29.  @NJames-dh6kz  We all have the moral right to speak how we want and run our business how we want. And that especially goes for transgenderism, which isn't even a race, sexuality, etc. but an incoherent worldview as I said earlier.
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  30.  @DarkPuppy9  "ah so because you don't understand it, therefore it is incoherent." No, it is incoherent for the reasons I gave in my last comment. "but you don't want to understand," Unfounded. And it's precisely because I've spoken with countless trans people and advocates that I've come to the conclusion that it's a worldview devoid of logic. "you want a weapon you can use to hurt people" Also unfounded. And disturbing that you would equate someone disagreeing with you and someone trying to hurt you...
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  31. Agreed, except I remember that "gender" and "sex" are one and the same. They've confused gender roles and gender norms with gender itself, is all. And this is only the tip of the iceberg as to why transgenderism is incoherent.
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  32.  @nvna1111  The point wasn't to compare "credibility" (which, anyone who can't give an objective, workable definition for "gender" shouldn't be considered an expert on the subject anyway). It was simply to show you why trying to redirect me to someone else to substantiate your position is silly. "ur also right that basic research is just like a wild goose chase." It is when I continuously come up empty-handed. No so-called "expert", no scientist, no doctor, no anyone has been able to define their terms in an objective way (that would support transgenderism). You don't believe I've looked hard enough. I don't believe you're truly confident there's a good answer; otherwise, you would've given it yourself. "its a mystery how misgendering every trans person you meet-" Not possible, on your worldview. So long as you fail to give an objective definition for terms like "man" or "woman", no one can ever be correct or incorrect in using these terms. Ironically, it's only those of us who reject modern gender theory would could accuse others of misgendering us in a coherent way. "and denying their identity might fuck them up," Someone disagreeing with your beliefs should never mess you up...
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  33. Disagreement =/= phobia. Stop being silly.
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  34. Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse gender itself with gender roles and norms (or appeal to circular reasoning). One in which they insist others are incorrect in using terms like "man" and "woman" while being unable to provide objective, workable definitions for these terms themselves. And one in which they often equate disagreement with hate, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
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  35. Committing to an incoherent worldview you cannot logically defend (either to yourself or others). Believing that everyone who disagrees with you doesn't just disagree but hates you personally. The "pro-trans" community shares in some of the blame, sorry.
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  36.  @markzuckergecko621  Exactly. No one else gets to say "I identify as x therefore you must call me and treat me as x".
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  37. Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse gender itself with gender roles and norms (or appeal to circular reasoning). One in which they insist others are incorrect in using terms like "man" and "woman" while being unable to provide workable definitions for these terms themselves. And one in which they often equate disagreement with hate or phobia, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
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  38.  @Post-buttwave  Well if I were to use Sam's own reasoning (for why he refuses to go on Gavin's show), it would be because Sam is "just desperate, trying to get back into the YouTube community" (which he's already a part of), etc. The whole "legitimizing" excuse. But odds are, it's more about Sam not acting in good faith. If you know your opponent's just gonna try and misrepresent you, mock you, etc. you've no obligation to talk to them.
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  39.  @MxArgent  On the contrary, it's great! You grow from it. Learning to accept certain truths about the world frees you up to be truly happy, and you don't wind up trying (in vain) to defend a worldview that doesn't make logical sense (e.g., maintaining that others are using words like "man" and "woman" incorrectly while being unable to provide objective definitions for these terms yourself).
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  40.  @MxArgent  "Getting rolled"? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar. What exactly is wrong with adopting a coherent view of the world again? Are you a biological male who views himself as a woman? And if so, why?
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  41.  @MxArgent  Ah. Well again, there's nothing wrong with knowing you're a man who adheres to a lot of the gender roles/norms of a woman in your society. Better to acknowledge that than subscribe to a worldview you can't logically defend, presenting yourself as one gender when you're the other (and all the problems that might introduce), etc. Am I "getting rolled" by admitting to myself I'm not a billionaire? Because, like, that does bother me a bit, and would bother me a whole lot more if I tried to insist that I was one.
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  42. This video is pretty great when you skip the commentary and just watch the Matt Walsh parts. BTW, have you guys come up with an objective definition for "woman" yet?
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  43.  @nvna1111  Interesting you would ask that while proceeding to laugh at someone. And yes, I'm empathetic to people's feelings and their suffering. That doesn't entail pretending their worldview makes sense when it doesn't, however. Or, if you do equate disagreement with not being empathetic, how do you justify your disagreement with me? 😉
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  44.  @itsabug4274  So the defense of calling biological males "women" is the same as the defense of calling little girls and dogs "women"? In other words, you're admitting they're not really women, some people have just chosen to call them that? From whence does our obligation to call these adult biological males "women" come, since we're not obligated to call dogs or little girls women?
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  45. Reporting when people are calling for violence is not "whining" nor "being a professional victim", it's what we all should do. I say, good job Charlie Kirk and keep going, don't let people discourage you.
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  46. Transgenderism remains a wholly incoherent worldview. One in which people confuse gender itself with gender roles and norms (or appeal to circular reasoning). One in which they insist others are incorrect in using terms like "man" or "woman" while being unable to provide objective, workable definitions for these terms themselves. And one in which they often equate disagreement with hate, which is not only illogical but dangerous.
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  47. Exactly.
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  48. Exactly.
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  49. I'm with the tradwives. My wife and I have lived this way for 17 years now (14 with a son) and we're both very glad we did. For us, it was more about our son having an actual mother raising him, as opposed to some minimum wage daycare worker or the government.
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  50.  @wulf67  Well sure. I don't know of anyone saying people should be forced to have a traditional marriage, just that it's better.
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