Comments by "Vic 2.0" (@Vic2point0) on "Roland S. Martin"
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Candace was speaking facts that night. Even T.I. and Killer Mike were agreeing with a lot of what she said. T.I. only interrupted her because he could see she was tryna give a thoughtful answer. Can't have that! Gotta shut her up! Meanwhile, Killer Mike gave what seemed like a very similar answer to what she was trying to give. Yet he gets all the applause, Candace all the disdain. No surprise there.
So to answer T.I.'s question, we got to make up our minds if we are talking about how Americans in general were living or just the disparities between black and white Americans. If we're talking about the latter, it was in the 50s before the welfare state had been established. From there, we would see fatherlessness in the home skyrocket, being incentivized by the so-called "War on Poverty". Take Killer Mike's advice and read some Thomas Sowell if you don't know about it.
But if we're talking more generally, in recent years we've all enjoyed blessings in medicine, technology, access to information, etc. that those decades could only dream of. Americans of all colors and socioeconomic status are doing better than ever before. But I'd say it was greater maybe a decade ago, before the SJWs and feminists and race-baiters (more oppressive inventions of the left) were given so much power. In our universities, in Hollywood, in the mainstream media, everywhere. And they took aim at EVERYBODY Just got through tryna cancel Dave Chappelle. Before that they tried to get Mario Lopez fired because he said maybe we shouldn't let 3-year olds choose their fuckin' gender. Trump was a response to exactly that sort of bullshit. T.I. jumps back to before women could vote or before blacks were freed from slavery because it fits his agenda. There's no need for all that. We all know that part of why Trump's in office is because he's a giant middle finger to the establishment, career politicians, and everybody trying to shut us up. And that's real.
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Candace was speaking facts that night. Even T.I. and Killer Mike were agreeing with a lot of what she said. T.I. only interrupted her because he could see she was tryna give a thoughtful answer. Can't have that! Gotta shut her up! Meanwhile, Killer Mike gave what seemed like a very similar answer to what she was trying to give. Yet he gets all the applause, Candace all the disdain. No surprise there.
So to answer T.I.'s question, we got to make up our minds if we are talking about how Americans in general were living or just the disparities between black and white Americans. If we're talking about the latter, it was in the 50s before the welfare state had been established. From there, we would see fatherlessness in the home skyrocket, being incentivized by the so-called "War on Poverty". Take Killer Mike's advice and read some Thomas Sowell if you don't know about it.
But if we're talking more generally, in recent years we've all enjoyed blessings in medicine, technology, access to information, etc. that those decades could only dream of. Americans of all colors and socioeconomic status are doing better than ever before. But I'd say it was greater maybe a decade ago, before the SJWs and feminists and race-baiters (more oppressive inventions of the left) were given so much power. In our universities, in Hollywood, in the mainstream media, everywhere. And they took aim at EVERYBODY Just got through tryna cancel Dave Chappelle. Before that they tried to get Mario Lopez fired because he said maybe we shouldn't let 3-year olds choose their fuckin' gender. Trump was a response to exactly that sort of bullshit. T.I. jumps back to before women could vote or before blacks were freed from slavery because it fits his agenda. There's no need for all that. We all know that part of why Trump's in office is because he's a giant middle finger to the establishment, career politicians, and everybody trying to shut us up. And that's real.
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Ville "The NAACP helped her sue for discrimination back in 2015, then she turns around bad-mouthed the NAACP"
That's not accurate. The lawsuit (which was over having her life threatened) was in 2007, eight years before she was criticizing the NAACP. She's been very candid about the fact that she sees things differently now, and why.
"plus now claims everyone plays the victim and the race card (even though that's ALL SHE PLAYS)."
Nonsense. She says all the time that she's not a victim and she doesn't care about the race card.
"She is scared to debate real politically inclined black people and rather debate black celebs."
If this is the best these "politically inclined black people" can do, I can see why she wouldn't bother.
"She STOLE BLEXIT from a group of black people that ALREADY had a movement to help empower black people by putting their money in black controlled, community banks..."
It's more likely that both this earlier "Blexit" group and Candace heard about "Brexit", which was going on overseas in 2016 and made the obvious alteration to that name.
"How is that empowering anyone?"
Knowledge is very empowering. And like it or not, a lot of black people are appreciating the information. She's not telling people who to vote for, but she's exposing the failings and sometimes outright racism of a political party that really has just been taking the black vote for granted.
"Kanye West even turned his back on her for being a fraud."
Not quite what he said, but I understand you have to push your narrative through.
"The same person who thought black people were better off right after slavery..."
Better off than when? Because again, even Killer Mike was saying very close to the same thing. Black businesses and families were thriving between that era and around 1960, compared to now.
"She NEVER gave points or reasoning of why she felt that way..."
She didn't have the chance! The crowd was interrupting her from the very first answer she tried to give, and it only got worse from there.
"Just because Killer Mike was able to put words to her bs"
As she pointed out, you can't call it BS if she wasn't even able to form a sentence without being shouted down. It's logically impossible to do that. For example, "The sky is"... Is that BS? Is it true? Or is it just a sentence that never got finished?
"doesn't mean THATS WHAT SHE MEANT BECAUSE SHE NEVER SAID IT...."
But I think she was going there. She was talking about the abolishment of slavery and then was cut off. Killer Mike was talking about just a few years after slavery, which is basically the same era.
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@iceevc "T.I. interrupted here because she was going around the bush with irrelevant info."
Can't really say it was irrelevant since she wasn't given a chance to even utter a sentence. And as it turned out, it looked like her answer was gonna be similar to Mike's (but they let him talk because they like him).
"Then you said America was great a decade ago (10 yrs ago). That's the most laughable crap in your comment. Drugs was still flooding our neighborhoods, our school system was still poorly ran, black men was still getting beat up, murdered, and unlawful locked up on bogus charges. We was still under paid compared to whites. We was still paying high interest on loans to buy homes and start business compared to white folk with poorer credit scores than us and that's if they loaned to us at all."
Never said "perfect", I said "great". And I gave my reasons for thinking it was much better then than now. There are tons of positive things we could fixate on instead. What's interesting though, is that her point about fatherlessness is relevant to almost all of the problems (or at least if families were still strong like they were before the so-called "War on Poverty")
"T.I asked her if it was before women could vote and after slavery being sarcastic because she would not give a simple answer."
No, I think he really just wanted people to think Trump was imagining all that happening again.
"But it's my opinion that it was before slavery."
When people were dying of disease left and right, didn't have 10% of the blessings we have now, etc. Look, we all agree that slavery should've never happened, but that doesn't mean that because it happened everything's so awful today in 2019.
"Trump is in office to do the dirty work for these corrupt politicians. They are using him because he don't know the laws and have no issue with breaking them. He is doing a hell of a job padding the federal bench, repealing laws, making sure power remains white even even white is the new manority."
In what way is "power remaining white"? What laws has he passed that discriminate based on race? And I know people like to make the accusations that he's breaking laws and everything, but no evidence seems forthcoming there either.
And if you think something I've said isn't factual, feel free to correct me.
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@iceevc "I'm going to start by asking why did you copy and paste my whole comment instead of making your point?"
I did both, and I quoted you directly so that you would know what I was responding to with each point.
And like I said, I disagree that Candace was "beating around the bush". I think she was taking her time answering, but at the same pretty clearly was gonna give a similar answer to Killer Mike. But they didn't like her so they shouted her down and let Mike take all the time he needed speaking.
"Now your comment about what Candace said about black fathers. You do realize those statistics only reflect married couples? It's plenty of black fathers in households that isn't married to the mother. Do that make them less than or unaccountable because they don't have paper work?"
Not sure, but even that's significant. If it had an impact on fatherlessness in the home concerning married couples, that's bad!
"Let me just add the bible doesn't even say paper work is needed for marriage."
Doesn't seem relevant...
"Next what power does black people hold in this country-"
The same power as anyone else. We just had a black president for eight years...
"and if we hold any power why is the wealth gap growing instead of decreasing?"
That's the question! I still think single motherhood is a very consistent predictor of all kinds of problems children will have to deal with as they go through life, but there may also just be cultural differences. And not even so much about race as socioeconomic status, it's a cycle. If you grow up in a ghetto, you already have a bunch of obstacles in your way that you wouldn't have if you didn't, and that's regardless of your skin color.
"Your whole act as if Trump is doing wonderful things for blacks shows your lack of research as well."
It's not an act, it's just common knowledge. Deregulations alone help businesses have more money to hire more people (though if they were something they could count on, it could also enable them to pay more too). And the prison reform he passed will disproportionately help blacks more than whites. On the other hand, I understand your disagreement with the things you listed and I won't pretend that I could defend them individually. But I wouldn't chalk it up to racism when they're so diverse; if there's an agenda, it seems to be freeing up businesses which in all probability does mean he made some mistakes in the process.
Also, you didn't respond to my criticisms of the era you picked (for when America was supposedly "great"). Do you really think that Americans in general were doing better back then than now? I get your concern about the wage gap, but that's comparing one group with another, not one time period with another.
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@iceevc "I did answer your question about when America was great"
You didn't respond to my criticism of it. You didn't acknowledge that the economy we all enjoy today is still way better than it used to be. You didn't acknowledge how technology and medicine, shit like that is way better. You're so caught up in the wage gap that you'd be willing to sacrifice objectively better quality of life and go back to when we had to worry about dying from diseases and shit.
"Then you had the audacity to state blacks and whites hold the same power and try to use having a black president as proof."
It is! Why was he president and not some white dude from a trailer park? He had better advantages because of his own socioeconomic status, that what matters, I told you it's a cycle.
"It's too many disparities in our justice system, jobs, schools, neighborhoods, homeownership, etc to even attempt to say we play on the same field as white people."
Poor people play on the same field as other poor people. There is no "we". Half the black celebrities you think represent "us" represent rich motherfuckers from rich neighborhoods.
"Trump deregulations helped business keep money in their pocket. Especially builders like hisself. That money did not trickle down to the workers. Yes more ppl are working. More ppl are working 2 jobs to make ends meet in this new economy."
It's a very small percentage of people working two jobs. And if you're having to work two jobs to make ends meet, you probably have excess expenses for what you're making. I'm supporting my wife and kid with just one between us, and it's not a high-paying job believe me.
"As far as single parent households go your strerotypicly speaking on black families like we are the only ones affected by dead beat dads."
I never said that at all, and we weren't talking about dead beat dads necessarily. Just kids that have only the mother in the home for whatever reason. The welfare state incentivizes that. If dad lives at home, you get less money because they want the fuckin government to be your dad. A fuckin' pay you some chump change to survive and go screw the rest of the neighborhood dad, that's what you're fighting for.
"As a black woman from the hood, with a college degree, tradesman license, and her own small business, I give them black girl magic every time my feet hit the ground."
See? You own a fuckin' business, how are you talkin like you represent those who are strugglin just to live check to check? And don't get mad, because all I'm doin is putting up a mirror right now. We can draw us/them lines anywhere, which is the whole problem, we shouldn't be doing it. We should be encouraging everybody to do the best they can and not blame other people unless we can point specifically to where they held us down.
And I still don't know why you think Candace has said something bad about black fathers. She idolizes her granddad, gets onto the feminists for giving men a hard time over stupid shit, and preaches all the fuckin time about why they're important.
ETA: By the way, if I had my dad in the home growing up, who knows? I might have a small business of my own too.
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@jean-luceyesofyoureyes5502 I did answer it, in my first comment. America was great (compared to now) maybe a decade ago, when we still had equal opportunity (though we will always have disadvantages compared to others) but we didn't have to fear losing our jobs, being blocked/banned, being targeted in various ways over something we said. Before we gave too much power to the SJWs, feminists, race baiters, etc.
But I suspect what you really mean is, when were black people doing roughly as well on average as whites (if not better). And as Killer Mike said (because T.I. wouldn't let Candace say it), black people were thriving most by comparison to whites after the abolishment of slavery. But that actually lasted up until the late 60s. After single motherhood was incentivized by the welfare state, things began to change rapidly. The victimhood narrative, combined with increased fatherlessness in the home, stacked the odds against black people like it had never been done before. And things are only now starting to (slowly) turn around thanks to the work of people like Thomas Sowell, who have inspired people like Larry Elder and Candace Owens to carry the torch of informing the black community as to just what the fuck really happened to its once great subculture.
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Kevin Ingraham I disagree that Trump is trying to be a dictator. He's deregulated the market far too much for me to think that. But yes, he's done a lot of great things for this country! Before the pandemic, we were seeing record-low unemployment rates (especially for minorities), increased wages, prison reform, Right to Try, lower prescription drug prices, the list goes on and on. And now he's also taking a more sensible approach to Covid, while most people are lying to us about how many people actually have it and how many actually die from it. After November, no matter who wins the election, Covid will miraculously clear up, just you watch. All of a sudden, people will start reporting the real numbers, and BLM will fade into obscurity just like it did after the last election.
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