Comments by "Vic 2.0" (@Vic2point0) on "The Damage Report"
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@arkcritic6080 "It's hardly normal."
Sure it is. I'm looking at the chart right now. It's actually less dry than it was in 1895.
"When the conditions are right, these disasters happen."
Okay, so what disasters? The drought angle didn't work. What else are you claiming is happening more on average than it was decades prior?
"You didn't hear about the drought in India in 2013?"
Again, that's an individual instance whereas we should be looking at averages. Just like the drought of 2012 in the U.S., shining a light on that one instance does nothing to establish a dangerous trend, much less one caused by climate change.
"Hurricanes Harvey, Maria and Irma in 2017 alone."
A. Individual instances, once more.
B. If you look at the data, averages once again seem to be about the same. And that's measuring ACE, not just the severity of the storms (Maue, 2015).
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@arkcritic6080 "I don't get why you're obsessed with how wet or dry some place is."
Not obsessed, just on topic. You brought up droughts as if they're on the rise when they're not. Showing that the amount of the U.S. which is very dry has not gone up (but has in fact gone down) is one way of rebutting that narrative.
"There's a difference between rain over a period of time and water dumped by a hurricane, for example."
Naturally those are two different questions, and I didn't confuse them. I addressed the drought narrative, and then I addressed the narrative about hurricanes.
"Also, quite a lot of weather phenomenon are controlled by ocean temperatures."
Okay, are we moving the goalpost to claiming the ocean temperatures are on the rise now? Because even if we did, we're seeing that droughts and hurricanes aren't on the rise, despite what one might predict based on the supposedly rising ocean temperatures alone.
And your citations don't seem to contradict mine, which referred to specific studies showing neither narrative works. Take the first one for example. In its opening, it makes it clear it's grouping together disasters "related to a weather, climate or water hazard", so it's not even focusing in on weather events. It also mentions "improved reporting" as part of why we have "more" weather-related disasters. In other words, we might not be having more at all; they might just be reporting them more.
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@arkcritic6080 "I wasn't just limiting it to droughts."
I understand that. I just dealt with the droughts narrative first, by showing there is no upward trend of droughts after all.
And what exact point in the EPA article is supposed to save this narrative that droughts are on an upward trend? If less of the country is dry, and more of it is wet, how does that = more drought?
"Saying "nope, we should look at averages" is not a response."
Lol, well it was part of the response. The rest of it was me directing you to the study that shows the averages contradict the narrative that droughts are increasing.
"If the amount of water is the same but how it's distributed is different, that would be an issue."
What do you mean by "distributed"? What exactly is your claim here?
"droughts and hurricanes aren't on the rise"
Are you being serious?"
Yes, and I provided both charts to demonstrate my claim. By contrast, the articles you provided don't seem to contradict anything I've said.
"You need to find more than just wetness/dryness."
Not at all. If more of the country is very wet than before, this means there is less drought. Unless you're trying to say something's changed with how it's being "distributed" but in that case it wouldn't be a climate change problem; it would be on whoever made that change.
"What other research of yours that say climate change is no big deal?"
Lots, but you have your hands full already. I want to know how you get more drought while also covering more ground in water. I also want to know if you're conceding that hurricanes have not in fact been on the rise (or at least that you haven't found any evidence that they are).
""related to weather, climate or water hazard"
Storms, floods, droughts and wildfires. All can be affected by weather."
Right, but again, the article admits that it's grouping together not just disasters related to weather or climate but disasters related to water hazards as well (which may or may not be caused by weather or climate). And you didn't address the point about them saying reporting has been improved. If there's more reporting of x than previous years or decades, that doesn't mean there's more x than previous years or decades. It could just be that the same amount of x wasn't being reported before but now it is.
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@arkcritic6080 "These are the ones I've found
"World drought frequency, duration, and severity for 1951–2010" - RMetS""
You might ask yourself why you're finding smaller scale studies to contradict the 125-year study I first referenced. Furthermore, it's measuring rainfall which is associated with drought but isn't the whole picture (leaves out the factor of evapotranspiration, etc.). What I referenced is literally ground moisture or lack thereof, which is specifically what characterizes drought.
""Drought in numbers 2022" - UN"
This one's covering an even smaller time period, 22 years. I can't help but wonder why, you know? It also doesn't cover the severity of droughts, which is very important.
""What do you mean by "distributed"?"
It's the difference between having rain over a whole state vs heavy rain in one county and drought in another at the same time."
Oh okay, well the study I referenced is talking about how much land is dry vs. wet. You get a larger average only if more land is wet/dry.
"You already think that the dryness/wetness chart means there's no climate change."
Not even close to what I said. Indeed, the chart I referenced shows climate change, and it shows a trend of less drought over the last 125 years.
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@arkcritic6080 "Because your 125-year study is for the US only while the other one is for the world?"
Yes, but is it your contention they couldn't find a study covering a longer period of time? To me, this smacks of the same trick I exposed in the beginning: zoom in on a small period of time so people won't see the bigger picture and realize there's no trend of dangerous climate change at all.
ME: "Furthermore, it's measuring rainfall which is associated with drought but isn't the whole picture (leaves out the factor of evapotranspiration, etc.)."
YOU: "Which study says that evapotranspiration is a cause of drought?"
Not what I said. The point is that a lack of rainfall =/= drought, because there are other factors involved in that.
ME: "It also doesn't cover the severity of droughts, which is very important."
YOU: "Quote: "Severe drought affects Africa more than any other continent, with more than 300 events recorded in the past 100 years, accounting for 44 percent of the global total.""
I'm talking about when it specifically says "The number and duration of droughts around the world have increased by an alarming 29% since 2000" (again, still a very tiny amount of time to try and draw catastrophic climate change conclusions on but nevermind). It doesn't say the severity of the droughts has increased. Even the first study you gave at least remembered to do that, despite its other flaws.
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@joeymac4302 "It's not a magical transformation. It's a legal one. As in, they aren't considered "persons" by the government until they are born."
So what? How does that have any impact at all on the moral implications of taking its life?
"There are no post birth abortions."
Technically no. But there was that governor talking about people sitting a baby on a table and just letting it die.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTopSKo1xs
"Also, We non-radicals believe a woman's right to abortion only goes through the first trimester, as laid out via Roe v. Wade."
Which was still a pretty radical idea. Any line we might draw at which point it becomes a human life will be inconsistent with how we define it elsewhere. The only one that doesn't lead to contradictions is a line drawn at conception, when a unique genetic code is formed.
"your assertion is false that the Democratic party is increasingly OK with partial birth abortions."
In other words, you didn't know about the bill they were trying to pass not long ago.
"Also, I don't document each time he says "democrats are pushing for socialism" on his daily show."
That's not the claim you made earlier, which was that he said all Democrats want socialism...
"his dehumanizing tweets. Which I note you didn't even bother trying to fight that one."
I must've missed it, or I would've simply pointed out that, yet again, you're being conveniently vague about what Shapiro's allegedly done that's so bad.
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