Comments by "Roy Sinar" (@roysinar8238) on "Motherboard" channel.

  1. The population of the Faroe Isles is approximately 50,000. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/fo.html According to the number from the Grind logs we can work out the approximate average amount of blubber and meat mass harvested per whale in a typical Grind. So in 2013 a relatively large number of whales were killed (always good for an average) and 1104 whales gave approximately 8302 skinns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_the_Faroe_Islands#Catches This equates to a total mass of meat and blubber of around 597,744KG, divide that by the number of whales and each one gives 541.4KG. So its reasonable to say that 2013 yielded 0.54 tonnes of meat and blubber per whale on average. The general medical advice is that a maximum of 3.5g of pilot whale meat can be safely eaten per day for an adult of 70KG. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3417701/ So if all 50,000 people are adults of 70KG they would need 170KG of pilot whale meat a day to be eating the maximum allowed. That equates to 63875KG of whale meat per year. That is 63.875 tonnes of meat per year to feed 50000 adults. This would allow a single meal per month, as advised, of just over 100g of meat and blubber. This years catch is smaller than 1104 whales. So how many whales do we need to feed the Faroe Isles. Each whale can be considered on average to supply between 0.5 and 0.52 tonnes of meat and blubber. Therefore 127 Pilot whales would suffice. For this to fulfil 30% of the dietary meat requirements of the Isles per year it would mean that they would need 212917KG of meat per year. This equates to around 12g of meat per person per day if all 50000 are adults. I just weighed a chicken drumstick at 60g. So either each of the 50,000 islanders live on less meat than a chicken drumstick each day and are following medical advice, or they are not following medical advice and must be eating (in 2013 at least) 32.8g of pilot whale meat a day. That is close to 10 times the safe limit. But according to the following source http://www.diebucht.ch/tl_files/pdf/Pal%20Weihe.pdf only 17% of Faroe Islanders eat pilot whale meat more than once a month and only 47% eat it rarely. So unless a fairly considerable number (8500 would be an approximate 17%) are eating the best part of 200g of whale meat a day, there is no way the whole of the meat or even a majority of it is consumed. Also bare in mind that the meat is less contaminated than the blubber and therefore even less should be eaten. As the figured supplied are for a combination of meat and blubber combined I have favoured the pro-grind opinion by treating the blubber as meat for the purposes of mass. Also not all of the 50,000 strong population are adults of 70KG and this again favours the pro-grind argument as I have assumed all 50,000 to be adults and at least 70KG.
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  2. +Super Nova not quite. They are trying to save the whales and change ingrained ideas that are out of date.
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  3. Super Nova Are you sure you know what my "standard" is? Your words sound like some sort of camp threat. This isn't an Enid Blyton novel. It isn't a matter of imposing views as educating and pointing out that this is no longer something they have to do or need to do. It is just for the sake of a tradition. Now my country fought wars to abolish slavery and lost many lives to change that tradition, I'm not sure this one will be as difficult. 
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  4. +Super Nova It was an example of traditions that do not stand the test of modern times when we have learned a lot more about it. You need me to point out the difference between breeding animals for food and hunting wild animals? These islanders have modern supermarkets and a modern lifestyle. They do not need this toxic meat so why kill these whales? I don't have to eat whale to understand the waste.
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  5. Super Nova My country is lucky that we have such great trading with the Faroes where they farm salmon. Back fire much? 
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  6. +Super Nova it doesn't change the fact the Faroes have a huge industrial fishing fleet that I am not criticising. So how does that make me a hypocrite? The needless destruction of mammals against the fishing industry. At least we can eat the fish.
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  7. +Super Nova you need to start thinking before you comment.
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  8. +Super Nova I could explain irony to you if you like. No you can't change everyone's mind. Some like yourself can never accept they are wrong. But others, they will see we are just pointing out the obvious and may change their mind. Either way, they should be honest about it and not try and make up excuses to do it and say "yeah we do it because we like to".
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  9. +Nina Nyggju So the guys killing it say it is sustainable. How useful. The Danish authorities, who have nothing to do with this, say this is sustainable? Do post the link. The scientists and NAMMCO say it might be sustainable but their numbers point to it being a very close call. Unless of course you take into account the genetic data which shows a pilot whale population to be in the low thousands.At this point the whole thread ends as we already know you cannot defend the sustainability of this tradition. That is what it is and nothing else.
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  10. Nina Nyggju I thought you quoted a link from a book about whales and whaling in Japan the other day. I would suggest you are better informed about Japanese whaling than you are about Faroese whaling.
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  11. +Nina Nyggju or not.
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  12. +ottatiotta Do describe "non endangered" to me. Lets trade estimates and see who wins.
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  13. +cheng chua boo they are vegans. This is not food for the Faroes.
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  14. +john papple I am sure that if they could read they would want to keep their books, although in this case I am sure the whales would like to keep their blood in them and prevent the sea becoming red.
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  15. +Wiener Jim Indeed I believe it is the only option on board their ships etc.
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  16. +DRajtify not sure if wanting to avoid needless whale killing and cleaning up the ocean constitutes totalitarianism.
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  17. Abella Seksa since its not about food. Few islanders eat whale meat or blubber. Those that do do not enough to justify the amount of whales they kill. Without the whale meat they do absolutely fine.
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  18. +DRajtify cheers, done my research and those on the video would be an exception to the normal. You clearly here the guy on the video talk about how little they should eat. The woman actually says that it is no longer food. Maybe you missed that. Want to trade research as I'm game. Let's play "see if you can find a angle I haven't already got covered" and we can see who is the fool.
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  19. +DRajtify 30% is wrong, therefore the 70% must also be wrong. They hunt 0.1% of the population a year, wrong again. Do you know what the population is estimated as being? It is an exception and there is a scientific paper that backs that up. DDT wasn't mentioned so that is a bit left field. The rest of the contamination is increasing year on year and is thought to be the cause of whales dying themselves. The recommendations are stronger than that and include women, men and children. I don't need to search Wikipedia as I have already got links that take me direct to the various studies including presentation slide sets from the Faroese scientists responsible for the majority of the research in this area. Would you like some of those links?
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  20. +Abella Seksa no he isn't but if you insist, prove it. :)
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  21. Abella Seksa oh no, look what I found. Maybe I don't need Google to do my research for me. Maybe I don't just read the first article that appears to suit my claim. You need to try much harder, and maybe try not to rattle my cage. It only leads to you looking foolish. And I quote "Displaying intelligence equal to that of the bottlenose dolphin, the pilot whale is easily trained" and here is your link. http://acsonline.org/fact-sheets/pilot-whale/ . Just so you know a link allows others to read the article you are referring to on the internet. You might want to try a few.
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  22. jozsefkacsa I have not tried to dictate to anyone. I have made many good points as to why the Faroese should consider stopping an outdated tradition. I'm more concerned about the damage to a population rather than a species.
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  23. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen I don't judge, I can point out that the amount of whale meat harvested is far more than could be eaten year on year, should those eating it stick to the guidelines. It makes a mockery of the excuse of it being for food. I'm not demonising anyone, I find my evidence myself by reading all sides of the issue. There is no need for the grind and I hope the Faroe islanders find better, less destructive ways to celebrate their heritage. As I mentioned, this is not one way traffic. I have been called a Nazi by grind supporters among other things. Despite not being a Sea Shepherd supporter, grind supporters feel the need to accuse me of being one. Neither side is covering themselves in glory, and yet no one wants to see evidence or admit they might be wrong.
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  24. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen how much whale do you eat each day would you reckon? Thankfully the Faroese keep really good records so we know how much is harvested. We know what the recommended daily intake is. So while I appreciate you have a unique view on this that I haven't, what I can do is present that information (tomorrow now when I boot my computer) and ask you to explain why it doesn't add up. Maybe I overlooked something or there is something I don't know about I need to take into account.
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  25. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen as a none smoker, yeah I would if you had to kill wild animals to get your smokes. I'll put up my info tomorrow and we can discuss it.
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  26. jozsefkacsa I don't believe I said killing wild animals is illegal. I have never said the grind is illegal. I have not forgotten. Interesting insight though if not quite covering my point.
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  27. jozsefkacsa no need for the caps lock issue. I can read fine.
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  28. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen If you can't defend them they are worthless. :) Catch you later.
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  29. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen stop being obstructive and go back and look at the comment before that. Or do you need me to just put all the links as a single comment to help you out. You are not the first to feign stupidity to avoid the obvious.
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  30. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen So did you manage to find those links? So lets get this straight, due to the populace being intoxicated, a whole load of whales were killed for no reason.
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  31. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen then you can't see them as many others certainly have. Try using a different browser.
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  32. Eivind Lómstein Petersen Got the links now as you seem able to put them in but not to actually see them. So when is the fat old girl going to come up with some more laws for the police to ignore? Scotland are furious about Denmark breaking EU law in pursuit of Sea Shepherd. Cruise lines are stopping their visits due to the crude, ill thought out laws, that could mean passengers would be breaking the law if they spot a whale (which they all like to do and not for the idea of sport). The law about disrupting a grind was used when a grind was not taking place to arrest innocent activists for disrupting the none existent grind which was not taking place miles away. Keep letting that daft old fat lass make laws, soon the Faroe boats will have no where to dock but home. Even the Shetlands cut off ties with the islands. Beware who you hack off as the UK is your largest trading partner. Ask nicely and we might throw in a decent browser for you and some classes on how to use it.
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  33. Eivind Lómstein Petersen more to the point you openly admit that islanders wasted a whole load of whale meat due to them getting wasted. Must be really important this whale meat. Can't live without it. Respect the whales they do. What a hypocrite to say "it is all eaten" and then admit that "it is all eaten unless the islanders fancy a drink". And more of a hypocrite to talk about it being culture etc. Rubbish.  More than just Sea Shepherd contend that those dolphins could have been saved. They are not the only organisations on the islands that are against the grind and killing whales in general.
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  34. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen and there you have it. The people on the beach. Threats to the safety of none violent protesters and activists. You brand those on the Faroes as thugs operating outside the law. Wasting whale meat controversially harvested because they were drunk. They kill more than they need and the figures support that. They do not need the whale meat for food and if they did it is close to too toxic to eat and the science supports that. Well hopefully the new genetic population differentiation will cause NAMMCO to declare the grind unsustainable. What will you say then to justify your "tradition". But then what would anyone, willing to threaten violence, care about genetic diversity and conservation. You do know about this right.
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  35. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen do take some time to point out where I described the Faroese as "bloodthirsty" or similar. I said you made them out as thugs and you did, repeating the threat. Feel free to tell me when the Sea Shepherd teams resorted to violence. Didn't see it in the film we are commenting on. In fact the shore leader describes the islanders as nice and welcoming. So the evidence stacks against your opinion. Do you only open your mouth to change feet?
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  36. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen because the Faroese government does not have legislative right over police action which includes the person or belongings. Therefore anyone charged with violating the Faroe Whaling act cannot be arrested and tried in a Danish court. They have not broken any Danish laws and the Faroese legislation in this case would not apply to the Danish police. I believe Sea Shepherd have a case and may well plan to take this to the EU. They could force the Danish Navy to hand back illegally seized vessels. So when they come again this year, who is going to arrest EU citizens for entering a dependency of a EU member? I hope the volunteers are all Scottish. Then when Faroe boats enter Scottish harbours and are seized? In short, The Faroe government have gone over their remit and the Danish government have enforced it by mistake. I fancy Sea Shepherds chances in the EU courts don't you.
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  37. +Eivind Lómstein Petersen you missed the point. The Faroese government are not able to legislate on police matters. That would make police enforcement of the Whaling Act wrong. The police that carried out the enforcement were Danish and therefore answerable to their government and as such the Danish government would be answerable to the EU. It has not been tested yet, but you asked why it could be brought to court in the EU. There is your answer. The Scottish could well bring about legislation closing harbours to the Faroe fleet should they be further annoyed by what they would consider illegal action by the Faroese government. The islanders are not the only ones with a government who can make decisions. Wouldn't be nice and playing fair but then it is all hypothetical. You can't just make up laws and expect others not to do the same.
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  38. +Daniel A. laughter is important, otherwise some of the mad comments you see on here would bother people.
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  39. +geishathor I don't think they have a "land" as such. I hope you lot travel better than your football team.
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  40. +Rupert McNaught Davis I think you will find the SS preferred to use more violent methods, although the Nazi regime did change laws to help them isolate their perceived opponents. Now who do we know who changed laws in order to do that? I think it is unfair of you to draw parallels between the islanders and the Nazi regime.
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  41. Rupert McNaught Davis no I didn't, it is called making fun of you ;)  I also took the time to point something out to you. Let me know if you would like me to go over it again. Meanwhile I am sure you have loads of evidence to show how the Sea Shepherd crews are like Nazis. Feel free to share and see if you can find anything original.
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  42. +Nina Nyggju what is your opinion on the new genetic research? Should it show the hunt to be unsustainable from the point of view of genetic variance and populations, would your opinion on the grind change?
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  43. +Nina Nyggju odd how my comments disappear on this thread isn't it. Almost like people are scared of the truth. Well I posted the links a number of times so we will assume I'm right.
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  44. +Luis Diaz Ortiz we just disagree and it is quite an emotive subject which has been quite well discussed. Some people are more emotional about it than others.
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  45. Mizz Tiger or not. I'll pop the figures up again so the stragglers can see.
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  46. +Luis Diaz Ortiz any chance you like my logic? I have used maths to the point that Mizz Tiger doesn't even bother anymore. We discuss this subject because it is fairly important that the correct message gets out. It isn't a message of anger or of hate. It is a message that a single aspect of an island tradition is outdated and cruel for no real reason. Therefore it should really stop. The only people who can stop it are the Islanders. But if the message comes out that this is required etc. then people like yourself might believe it and the cruelty will continue to the detriment of the biodiversity of the pilot whale stock. It is your choice.
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  47. +Fort Evenson You will find that is fish, mutton or lamb and the supermarket. Unless they live on a couple of grams of whale a day, which according to scientific surveys, they don't.
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  48. Stopthegreed I totally agree.
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  49. +Mizz Tiger sure of your numbers this time? Is that 300,000 out of the 800,000 or 300,000 out of the 75,000 to 250,000 that qualify for being killed in the grind? You need to be clear. I have already shown you the 0.001 percentages to be wrong. When you know it's wrong, stop repeating it. You are intentionally being misleading.
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  50. +Mizz Tiger you also forgot to mention the that NAMMCO say the grind requires 50,000 to 80,000 whales in the population to sustain it. That's potentially 5000 more than the overall north east Atlantic population, depending on which end of the figures each value falls. Then of course, genetically the population might be in the low thousands. And all those figures are easily available on the NAMMCO website and are put together by scientists and experts. Just for giggles, for the grind to only take 0.001% of the population then they must take between 0.75 and 2.5 whales or 75 and 250. Since we know that to be untrue then your figures are wrong or NAMMCO are wrong. Where did you get your figures from?
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