Comments by "Daniel B West" (@danielbwest) on "The Eye-Opening Truth About Western Civilisation" video.

  1. The issue is alot of these narritives about the West you mentioned aren't accurate and are a fairly recent construction. I understand why some people feel bitter about criticism about the west, as alot of it has gone too far, but at the same time it's happened because of these misrepresentations we've heard over time. And the guest is a clear example of that. Buying into a narritive from a modern perspective looking back and picking out attributes that aren't really related to modern depictions of "Western civilization". History isnt black or white. The West has to be willing to see the lies and ugly truths about themselves instead of engaging in these reactionary discussions
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  2. The issue is alot of these narritives about the West you mentioned aren't accurate and are a fairly recent construction. I understand why some people feel bitter about criticism about the west, as alot of it has gone too far, but at the same time it's happened because of these misrepresentations we've heard over time. And the guest is a clear example of that. Buying into a narritive from a modern perspective by looking back and picking out attributes related to modern depictions of "Western civilization", while in reality, they mean something completely different in their historical context. History isnt black or white. The West has to be willing to see the lies and ugly truths about themselves instead of engaging in these reactionary discussions
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  3. Did this guy just say Columbus was an independent voyager? 😂😂 And then you guys wonder why all this woke stuff came to be. Basic history distorted like this and then you turn around and say you want children to learn "actual history". Is this the history of western civilization you want them to learn? Imagine, this guy actually wrote a book too. smh 😆😂
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  4.  @jenster29  sorry I missed your comment. Well I don't know if there is only a focus on the negative aspects. I see see it as disentangling alot of the narritives that have existed for decades. Narritives that conservatives are seemingly fighting hard to protect
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  5.  @dallassukerkin6878  with a due respect, you don't know me. My existence as it is now goes far beyond what the West has had to offer. I am more than that. I have a conscience. And my good conscience will never "move on" just to appease the likes of you. I'm not to blame you've bought into the propaganda of the West. Take responsibility. Because belive it or not, dispelling these narritives and the lies the west has told are to OUR benifit. That's includes you too genius. Some of us aren't overly concerned with the collective guilt you are so desperate not to feel. We talk about this because we want the west to be better. To actually fulfill its promise and potential instead of spinning narritives on how great its already is and doesn'tneed to change. Speaking the truth is a core western value, whether it makes you feel uncomfortable or not
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  6.  @Richard.HistoryLit  to be honest there seems to be a real reluctance to "reckon" with these false narritives as we see with these reactionary anti woke talking points as we saw in this video But I'll try The first issue characterization of the western concepts of individuality and egalitarianism being present after the fall of the roman empire, as sth intrinsically innate within the cultures of these cultures. This is a classic Western construction of these cultures to try and infer the reason the West made more progress than others did was mostly or at its core because of intrinsic factors that didn't exist in other culture. That's not true. If they actually had knowledge of these cultures they would know that the characterizations that are ascribed to Europeans aren't accurate at ll and two, aren't unique to Europeans This also relates to the insinuations on the moral superiority of the West because Britain ended slavery. How about continental Europe? I guess they conveniently forgot about that part. If moralitywas such a big part of ending it in the west, then why did Britain have to enforce its abolitionon other major European powers? The assertion Kisin Makes is even completely untrue. Europe wasn't a monolith and this abstraction of "Western civilization" didn't exist until the 19th century This directly relates to why slavery was ended. Yes there was a moral aspect to it that had alot to do with the changing times. And we should give the west credit for that. However as with most things in the real world, slavery wasn't just ended for moral reasons, but for practical reasons that made the practice harder to justify, that being the crash in sugar prices. The two always go hand in hand This is the problem when you want to tell history with an objective of presenting the West with all these postitve attributes of being progressive and tolerant societies that aren't necessarily accurate, and and ironically lack the nuance these people pretend to care about when it suits them. Alot of the narritives on this channel seem to focus on some of these false narritives as a response to the woke, but in fact become a mirror image of each other. Either you tell the historical truth as it is without comparison, or if you do the comparison, tell an accurate comparison, not one that fits your objective such as trans saharan slavery was worse than the trans Atlantic. You can have it both ways. But this is mainly directed at Kisin I guess
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  7.  @amialal4510  I don't know what you mean by blame game. Can you specify? Also, I think this conversation might be "fair" only from a pro western point of view. The reason I call it reactionary is that all these different guests who come on the show are upset at the negative depictions of the west, and then because of their anger proceed to propagate those same false narritives we've seen in the west in the past. The guest is a classic example of that But no one is getting to the meat of the issue. These overly favorable narritivesof the west is the reason woke ideologycame to be tin the first place. That's the crux of the issue. When we have those hard conversations, there's always a "yeah but the west also did this and this...." instead of understanding why that awful thing came to be in the west. Theere's always an excuse. Are we supposed to be surprised there was pushback?
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