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Its been proven that rommel had paid off British informants he called his "little fingers" during the beggining of the Tunisia campaign. At the end were he seems much more lethargic and not mythical, he has lost access to his little fingers.
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Overplayed. He also was ready to abandon one of his hurt men to get to safety during an artillery bombardment. His lietienieut had to point out that the man was badly wounded and not dead. His lt had to order another man to drive rommel to safety while he stayed with the wounded man, who survived. Upon encountering his wounded officer later, rommel supposedly just remarked I can't believe you lived and walked away. That's as told by his own lieutenant in an interview. Not a history book.
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If a lieutenant had to make a stand for an injured soldier to not be left. He is no Patton.
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That man would be sir Winston.
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Ike had to personally put Patton in charge at Marshall's request while also having to give lloyd a, "promotion," to go home and train troops.
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Buttbanging Trannyliberal dear fdr. I failed with fredendall. I failed with Clark. And now with sir Bernard Montgomery. Please don't remember baseball sir. One person I did not fail with, was the chauffeur. We succeeded time and again and again and again. It's probably time to recognize real.
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Hoa Tattis well Max Hastings is a British historian who traditionally head the f$%# Patton club. Do you have any evidence mr Hastings. Yeah. Everything Omar Bradley and ernie Pyle said. OK Mr Hastings. Lebron is the world's number oneish basketball player.
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I'll make it real simple in one. You're walking around telling people Montgomery was a better Patton. This is incorrect and false info. Montgomery is more like Eisenhower and that's not complimentary.
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Most Americans today have the impression that Japan was just kind of a lackey. We've not been taught on a general basis about Burma. The mention of a Burmese holocaust will get an American to say, you mean hitlers. So, not me, but to most Americans, you're going to have to explain what made you so nervous. They will say things like did you think they were not going to see you on the road and hit you?
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I am self taught. Reading books that wouldve never been a part of my educational curriculum in school.
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Rommel did not love his men. I mean he did. Every general values his men's lives but he was not a close general of the men like you think. If you watch verbal interviews of the men under him. It seems to be more of a picture of rommels guts. Our blood. Not half casualty rates. One lt outright says he was a poor general and tells a story of rommel falling under artillery fire with him driving and another officer passenger taking shrapnel in the back and falling out wounded badly but not dead. He said rommel immediately became fearful for self and ordered to be driven out. He said he pointed out the man was not dead and offered to stay with him. Rommel consented and had another officer drive himself to safety. Both men survived and all rommel told the wounded man on recovery is I can't believe your alive. And walked away.
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Patton never fought rommel. Now gd, I told you that you can't refer to fredendall as "the general" you've already confused this man into thinking it was Patton off to a bad start.
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@for865 however he addressed the situation was a$$hole enough that his lt was brought onto a documentary and I'm sure he was aware it was to talk rommel up and he chose to lead with that story. That has to tell you something.
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@petethundabox5067 Joe Angelo. Better arguement and one I will field. The Patton you know was a lt general in the United States army. The Patton that told Joe he had never seen him before a day in his life was a colonel. Being ordered by brig general Douglas MacArthur to dispense of the bonus protesters. He was following orders the same as every soldier. MacArthur was following the presidents.
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Eisenhower wasn't involved. He saved his murder for his competition. And nobody murdered them. They demanded a bonus early because of the depression and the us govt said no. Patton also wanted a giant gold medallion made for every man in 3rd army out of Germanys gold supply. Ike said no. Is he a murderer of 3rd army?
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If you all line up in the DC memorial mall right now. And demand a 5th stimulus check for at least 10000 dollars. Every American. The government won't send the army on horseback to slap you on the a$$ with the flats of their sabers. But they will tell you no and send a riot squad of the guard in to deal with it.
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But having said all that. 2 mistakes Patton made in his life I won't make excuses for. Joe Angelo. And trying to retrieve his son in law.
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Donald Martin well I called rommel overplayed based on his own men's testimony. You won't find pattons men doing that. Except for one who served directly under for a stint and then directly over for the remainder of the war. Pattons men actually refused to accept his apology and made him literally start balling in front of them. He ordered his driver to take him from the scene at a fast pace. There's not too many historians that want to be taken seriously that I have to argue Patton with. A few. Who've bought into the bradley/Pyle lies.
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I like to compare rommel to luscian Truscott. Both men did some fine assaults. One was repeatedly called the desert fox. One shouldve been called the seal of the meditterean. One was repeatedly called one of those things. One gets remembered.
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Patton was made out to be a villain of the war by a reporter ordered to wear a helmet by him. This reporter would die 2 years later in a different part of the world from a bullet to the skull.
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@jimmyhaley727 well later on that would be true. At this point early in the war, you have to remember, this is before us involvement, they had not broken enigma yet. They were being starved of all that bc the gamblers last gamble had failed. A lighting sweep on russia. And now all of that was being pumped into the Eastern front. Us knowing all about them was more circa d day.
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At that point. It would be a similar situation to having Lee threatening the gates of Washington and having one general in Texas saying there's confederates here too. You on you own. We're fighting 12 million peasants here.
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I will say this. Rommel had his moments. But lusician Truscott had his moments and nobody called him the seal of the mediterraen or anything like that.
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I would actually encourage the person to go read some Ladislas farago Patton or more modernly. Carlo d'este who is both patton and eisenhowers military historian and keep a fairer view than he made me put on an uncomfortable helmet. Like a modern day mask freaker
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@danielmocsny5066 I've done this before actually. I think you wrong commented there.
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@danielmocsny5066 oh lol. If you reread my comment I was likening Ernest Pyle to a modern day mask freaker. That's someone who takes being asked to wear a piece of safety equipment way too far. For poor Ernest. It ended with a bullet in his head. So no. I was not trying to take an anti mask stance. Patton would be for the safety equipment, so am I. But you just freaked out yourself there a bit.
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@danielmocsny5066 actually it's an excellent lesson for these people in following safety precautions. Ernie did not. Was not made to by other members of high command. Unfairly tried to paint Patton in a bad light over it. And ended up dead in the mud with a bullet in the thing he was asked to cover with a helmet.
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And I will say. When high command issued the condem directive to all allied men and made it orders to wear protection for sexual intercourse. Patton was the general to issue the directive, "as long as your helmet is on and your knees are out of the dirt, you are in no violation of orders in this army.
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These same freedom loving Americans I just saw shopping in full body et suits a year ago. When they were told their sweet sweet a$$e$ might be on the line. Nothing happened. Now they've removed their helmets and are showing their a$$e$ keep it off as you get a sobering lesson in epidemiology.
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@danielmocsny5066 trust me when I say sir. That in one to two years. These same freedom loving Americans that refused a mask now...will make you feel underdressed yourself when you go out. And then this will be a silly moment in history.
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The dems will bring up the silly unmasking. The Republicans will counter with Afghanistan and we'll all sit around and laugh about the mess.
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Or you'll be dead.
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@danielmocsny5066 you have a short memory. Remember back at first. These people were the very embodiment of the song "I'm going to live, until I die." They never saw corpses hit the ground. Wait for it. Wait for it.
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@danielmocsny5066 I work in Healthcare sir. And the day we were being told about the covid virus coming and trump putting a lockdown in effect. It was the non maskers now, who actually asked my boss. "If this thing is dangerous, can I take time off and come back when it'd done?" And had to be reminded by my boss they got into healthcare to help people and now was the chance. They thought they were just living, until they died.
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Mother earth did not create this thing to encourage us to use our sexual genitalia even more. Quite the opposite. Wait for it good sir. Have some popcorn in the meantime.
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@danielmocsny5066 and speaking of ww2. The German fuhrer can tell you. You don't earn anyone fearful respect by leaving the whole carton of eggs intact. This thing has a little more respect to earn for itself.
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Its sad because the director of Patton does a forward in the movie version of Patton. Francis Ford Coppola. And in it. He explains. I made it in the seventies and you had to understand the times. I had to get 2 versions of America to spend money on a movie. The hippie kids who hated war. And the older parents and vets who respected it and respected him. He felt that he couldn't be openly flattering of Patton without turning off the hippies to the squares movie. So he did a jekyll and Hyde with Patton on the whole theme of war. He had to make up a lot more Hyde than jekyll and he acknowledges that.
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The myth of the desert fox was created by churchill as a shaming tactic for his own generals. Churchill made him a celebrity. To the point the British started calling doing something well, rommeling it.
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I told that story so I could offer a better rommel from a different war. Thomas stonewall Jackson. A story reminiscent of what you get with stonewall.
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At this point in the war again. We have Patton back burnered in Morocco. Where Ike wouldve loved to have left him. A fool of a best friend running the show. And a commander of allied forces that does not see this will be a disaster. I believe these german men in every one of their counts that day.
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I know he's basically never gonna have big fans across the pond for basically demasculating your people the entire war. But the delusional behavior about it needs to stop. It happened. You can't just pretend like it didn't and say Montgomery was better. Burlap sacks only work one time.
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The allies didn't get beat and when asked why they lost. Say, western front, one name. Rommel. That wouldve been the germans and pattons name.
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Buttbanging Trannyliberal I am suggesting though that giving your wife a pair of shoes on her birthday was not the place to be on d day. No family on the battlefield. Cost Sherman 2 daughters.
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That's about the same amount of effectiveness as a general as the position ikes good buddy fredendall was in, in Tunisia when he got bounced and Patton took over.
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But I blame rommel more for making ikes goofy little plan an effective one not having to ask Patton for a miracle one last time in that war. I do blame him for that. And Patton could've delivered it. From the pas de Calais.
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Buttbanging Trannyliberal and I am saying that ike deserved to deliver that letter to fdr. Judas b^$& Lee. A much better general. Had to deliver that letter.
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Rommel was more like Patton than any allied general. They all respected him a whole heck of a lot more than each other. Montgomery kept a portrait of him at his field hq. He called Patton "an old man of about 60" the first time he saw him. Gave him credit for being the only American officer to attend his preparatory briefings. The British hate was actually Omar Bradley's to bear. We can prove that from his journos. He transferred it to the dead Patton so it would be properly represented in ww2 somehow without him being tied to it.
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@lyndoncmp5751 Patton and Montgomery met when Patton attended one of montys pre Sicily planning meeting that every other American officer blew off. Montgomery called him an old man of about 60.
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Besides and don't ever forget this. Rommel was never to be pattons because Patton was being sandbagged. It was only in defeat of the preferred champion did Patton have to be very reluctantly plucked from the back burner. If a man's better than you. You do anything you can to hold him down. Patton did not know rommel had taken up the healing waters somewhere or another by the time he was allowed the opportunity.
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Hoa Tattis hahahahahahahaha. Max Hastings is that you? You got to give up the ghost. You sound like a lebron fan.
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