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@Biggy9er Russian systems have zero issues with F-16 F-15 F-18 etc. All teen fighters are no match for Russian air defenses as shown in Ukraine. You need stealth aircraft to even try. FA-50 main role would be fly low and drop some ordinance - similar to Polish M-346 .... which begs the question why buy FA-50 when you already have light attack aircraft that is even more modern?
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They are plainly stupid and buying whatever they can. We see what exactly materializes from all these purchases. So far Poland is much weaker today then before the Ru-Ua war.
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Exactly - note Poland has M-346 - 12 of them +4 on order. The attack version is M-346FA.
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@Biggy9er Russia has enjoyed air superiority for months now. By your definition NATO never even managed to gain air superiority over tiny airforce of Serbia.
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Maybe a refresher - not really much of an upgrade in terms of combat capability. Remember that FA-50 is a trainer with combat ability - not a dedicated platform. They are trying to strap onto a trainer a fighter radar and other avionics as well as use modern missiles. Once you add up all these costs you end up close to F-16 but nowhere close in combat ability. Just to list, F-16 can carry 2x as much weapons as FA-50. Yeah, 2x. FA-50 cannot even carry as much as old Su-22 (!)
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@Krzaczor-ym9gd FA-50 is armed version of T-50 - same as with many other trainers which have FA versions. That does not change the fact it is still a trainer with some bombs/ missiles strapped to it. Remember that the price tag for fully loaded FA-50 is not that much lower then for F-16.
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@Krzaczor-ym9gd Well, its not like FA-50 will be a very short process. Getting used F-16s would not be that hard - you can always upgrade them. KF-21 is a long way off - Poland would get them maybe by 2030 at the earliest. KF-21 is as of now unknown but positioned a bit below latest versions of F-15 - mostly a "guess" as no final specs are out. Polish purchases are NOT based on need. They are based on "look its on sale, lets get it". Assumed adversary of Poland is Russia - yet Poland did NOT seem to have done any analysis of how to counter Russian military. For example, FA-50 selling point is "great alternative to F-16 if you are not planning on fighting US or Russia". So whom is Poland planning to go to war with? This is exactly the case with a lot of other Polish purchases. For example, Poland is in some kind of "lets get every MBT type out there" mode. While at the same time Poland does not have any modern helicopter. It has very old versions of Hind only, and rather few. Poland has very few AT weapons.... (around 10x less then Ukraine(!!!)) etc.
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This is indeed strange and idiotic decision. Poland already purchased lead in trainers that can work as light attack aircraft. WHY more of the same??? Are they going for a record in number of different types of aircraft? For reference the advanced trainer / light attack is M-346 which is also NEWER then FA-50. The FA version is M-346FA. KAI FA-50 is listed as comparable aircraft.
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@MrRedbaal In short FA-50 would find it very difficult to win air combat in VVR vs. MiG-21 Bis (a bit inferior to F-16A/B) . 80% ===> 100% is a huge difference, huge! F-5 is ancient aircraft form 1960s. When faced with modern aircraft FA-50 simply cannot cope - its only hope is that it has better radar and can strike enemy from distance. I.e. it is a very poor air to air platform at peer. When doing ground attack it does better but is hampered by the fact that it cannot carry a lot of ordinance. I mean come on, compare FA-50 to say adversary such as MiG-29 or F-16 or J-11. BUT price is not good - you get light, inferior jet that cannot carry large payload for almost the same price as F-16. Savings are great in say per hour flight time but only if you do not plan to fight a war vs. advanced adversary. May I add that M346 does not come even close to the price of F-16. Yet its payload in FA role is similar to FA-50.
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@hubertszadurski3344 A co z M-346FA - przeciez ma podobne mozliwosci i juz 12 jest do tego 4 kolejne. Po co inna versia samolotu????
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@busyhoneybee4517 Well, neither France nor Germany have more then 350 tanks....
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Problem is Poland already has purchased a modern lead in trainer for its air-force - the one used by most of EU. Both Su-22 and MiG-29s were to be replaced by F-35.
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@keeperofthefate If that was true Poland would not be buying even more of them!
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