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@seanniemeyer5437 You do know that about half of the army right now that is called "Russian" is made of Donbass people, do you? Sure they wanted to avoid war. But war came to them - its a civil war in which Russia and US have intervened.
The easiest solution, rejected by Kiev regime, was to simply grant autonomy and language rights. Thus I fully reject your baseless claim that this was not over language rights, or cultural rights. Re-read Minsk agreement that Ukraine did not want to implement.
Thus a lot of statements you made are plainly false, as an example, "If Putin had given them the option of a war of russian liberation or to continue their happy peaceful lives 99.999% would have voted for peace" is totally false. Maybe I come to your home, setup a mortar a mile away and start pounding - I call it "happy peaceful". See whatever you agree.
Putin is not a good guy by any means, he is using Ukraine, her Nazi government, the luck of rights, the hatred to further his agenda. But the bottom line is people have the RIGHT to decide their future. so I fully support the right of people of Crimea and Donbass to secede from Ukraine, even if it means kicking the frontal teeth of Kiev regime in. Freedom will prevail, you are right to remember this. US also fought for its freedom. They rebelled against UK. Yet I do not see anyone in America complaining.
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@Samurai 7 LOL, so far we only have videos (many) of Ukrainians refusing to fight.
Junior officers are also dying and in large numbers (certainly more then average soldiers). Also where general was killed a battalion commander was killed as well (junior colonel).
If troops refused to fight you would not see them doing such spectacular gains and win such hard battles where these generals were at.
This is western propaganda saying - but it defies logic. If you look at Ukrainian side, where troops refused to fight, instead of sending a general to them they disarmed battalion. In one case battalion refused to attack, MPs were sent, and they fired on MPs and refused to be disarmed - there is no video proof of this, but there is video proof of disarming. Again, you can see this with say current battles where Ukraine is sending their special forces and foreign legion - regular troops refused orders and are pooling out.
Finally, when you watch movies made in the west, one of the main themes present of a "Great General" is one that is close to the front line troops. So how it can be that west thinks its gallant and desirable for general level officer to be at the front, yet then when Russians do it its b/c of stupidity?
Even in Polish WWII books, a great general is one that does not back off from front lines - at least on book level - I still remember Polish counter attack at Bzura - the largest counter to Nazi Germany till 1943, when leader of two Polish armies, was on his horse and observed the first day of the attack, where dismounted cavalry troops of both brigades were assaulting a village across a river.
Finally the general did not have to be that close - artillery kills a lot of pp - all he had to do is be relatively close to the front line. Brigade general is commander of a small formation, at most 6000 troops.
I can only say positive things about the disposition of Russian officers, I wish for every army to have such officers as Russia demonstrated. I would not hesitate to serve under such officers.
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This is like Vietnam. The South Vietnam was occupied first by the French then US. Viet Cong asked N Vietnam for help so N Vietnam went in.
Same here, Donbass and area asked Russia for help, so Russia went in to help these people out. Putin also plans to take some extra land as payment for his trouble.
Its a civil war, Russia supports one side, West the other. If you are a democrat you should support free elections, like after WWI, which would determine status of each territory in Ukraine & transfer all these that want to be in Russia, or independent out of it. We resolved similar issue with Quebec in Canada - if Quebec wants to leave - door is open, we will not sent tanks, like Ukraine, to keep them in Canada by force. Same for any other province.
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@CharlieNoodles He was 24 at time of death. He had lived, traveled and hiked for about 2 years before going to Alaska where he survived for almost 2 months off the land before he decided to head back. 2 months off the land, with 10lbs of rice surviving by hunting is not something most people would find easy. I would not call this lengthy hikes - as these for most people mean a day hike, he went on for multi month trips where he managed to sustain himself. Backpacking with limited gear, no food supply for months at a time is sheer definition of survival experience.
It sure takes one mistake. One. Maybe you need to go outdoors more. I have climbed many mountains over 6000m solo, including Denali, and trust me, all it takes is one mistake. I was present in few situations where people either died or were severely injured due to single mistake.
Remember he was just 24, for someone this young he accumulated quite a lot - how many 24 year old people do you think would survive this long? There were some murderers escaping Canadian authorities just touch younger then him, amateurs, and what, they made it like 3 days in the wilderness before taking their own lives.
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@Ben-ek1fz LOL, where did you get 150k??? That is total Russian force, they have 170 BTGs, not more ;)
I assure you they did not deploy their whole army ;))
The most they had in Ukraine or around Ukraine is 120 BTGs, today they have 92+20 BTGs.
1. Why Russia did not take Mykolaiv, Sumy, Cherniv - that one is easy.
Mykolaiv is about the same size as Mariupol. To take a city even if you are Russian, you need at least 3x the force, preferably at least 5x and if you are American then 10x. If Mykolaiv was defended by same # of troops as Mariupol that would mean using at the very minimum 3x (2000 - 3000 + 1 marine brigade) which depends on what you believe is at least 15k troops up to over 21k troops. At lower bound that is far more then troops deployed right now on the whole kherson side.
Sumy / Chernichiev - similar to above but even more loop sided. The entire right hand side of Kiev was at most 20k troops. the sheer superb figthing that was needed to surround Chernichiev with such tiny force AND go to Browary is ... astounding.
2. it does not take a genius to figure this out - at the very most you have 100k troops - basic unit placements are provided on numerous maps. All your militia forces start in Donbass. So it does not take a genius to figure out what was max troop level where. Its not that hard - you can do it as well.
Regarding Ukrainian army, it started re-calling reserves before the war. It started the war with 250k troops. Reservists recalled increased that number by 50k. At this point Ukraine finished 3rd round of mobilization. Ukraine had tiny airforce and even smaller navy, thus most of these 250k are army troops.
So what that you say Ukraine only had say 50k in Donbass at the start - that is still more then Russia plus allies at that front line!
Similar situation is now - Ukraine out numbers Russians and allies at least two to one as I am sure they deployed most of their forces to the front. Even if we account for tons of troops not in the war zone its still 2 to 1. There is just no other way to slice and dice the numbers.
After less then 1 month of war we get "Ukrainian army mobilized both its first and second echelons of reserve forces, together totaling 150,000 troops. Kyiv is doubling its army."
So 150k troops per month. After over 2 months lets say only 300k. That is still a lot of troops!
Of course west could be lying and there are far fewer Ukrainian troops.
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In short Taiwan reserves are worth far less then that of North Korea. Maybe worthwhile in city defense only, static.
Tank force is a museum. At least North Korea has some modern versions (as compared to Taiwan) of T-62. Again, both numbers and quality, NK dwarfs Taiwan.
CM-32 is quite modern, but very few. CM-21 is ancient. Again, NK is better in numbers and at least even in tech.
Artillery looks decent, a bit old in places but so far the best. Again, compared to NK, through its weak.
Airforce look great compared to NK but problems as per video. Navy I would actually go with NK, due to huge sub fleet.
Overall, its a good thing 100m separate China from ... China (Taiwan) if you want to rule Taiwan. For PRC its a water issue.
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@sergeyb8 1. Dude, its a regiment, one of many and total # of battalions such as Azov is claimed by Ukraine to be well over 20.
2. 100% of Azov is NAZI - same as German SS. Maybe 99%+ if that makes you feel better. So 99% of Azov which is between 2000 and 3000 people is around 2000 to 3000 people.
3. from above we see that Nazi units, multiple regiments, or if counting battalions only, make up easily more then 20k members right now, certainly more then 10,000 or 14,000 that could have been before the war. this is all depending on the size of the army and size of battalions.
4. Whole SS was seen as criminal organization as per Nuremberg trails. Thus yes, being a member of the SS meant that you are a criminal. This is not some dude with "Nazi / white supremacy beliefs" these are guys, like SS, with tanks, artillery and lots of infantry.
I ask you also, what gives the right to Ukrainian people to deny freedom to others, to rape, to loot and kill them at will? Why they cannot accept the fact that a lot of people do not want to live in their Nazi paradise! What do you have against people's will, as per UN charter, to determine their future? Let them be free!
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Umm, Russia is not Soviet Union. One has to remember that the West, aka Nazi Germany invaded Poland, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Greece, Yugoslavia as well as other nations.
One has to remember that Romania, Czechoslovakia and Hungary DID invade Soviet Union. Heck, Czechoslovakia even invaded Poland in 1939!
I.e. your statement is not at all historically accurate - you should open any, even western history book, and actually read about WWII.
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@ChristianHarten1911 I am not - Russia has touch bigger economy than Germany, same as China is quite bigger than US, list goes: China, US, India, Japan, Russia, Germany. You can easily verify through say World Bank. Russia is: 5,326,855 Germany is 5,323,007 . At current Russian growth they should pass Japan rather quickly - as it is at 5,703,678
and falling while RF is growing at 3% or so per year. China is 30,337,137
While US is 25,439,700
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@My_initials_are_O.G.cuz_I_am
"The 16th century chronicler Alexander Guagnini's book Sarmatiae Europeae descriptio wrote that Rus' was divided in three parts. The first part, under the rule of the Muscovite Grand Duke, was called White Russia. The second one, under the rule of Polish king, was called Black Russia. And the rest was Red Ruthenia. He also said Moscow was the center of White Russia and the Russian metropolitanate, and that the Grand Duke of Moscow was called the White Czar, especially by his subjects."
So not really - no White Ruthenia is certainly not Belarus ;) "Only by the late 19th century, the name was associated with the area of present Belarus. "
"the close connection between the Rus' and the Norse is confirmed both by extensive Scandinavian settlement in Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine and by Slavic influences in the Swedish language.[55][56] Though the debate over the origin of the Rus' remains politically charged, there is broad agreement that if the proto-Rus' were indeed originally Norse, they were quickly nativized, adopting Slavic languages and other cultural practices. This position, roughly representing a scholarly consensus (at least outside of nationalist historiography), was summarized by the historian, F. Donald Logan, "in 839, the Rus were Swedes; in 1043 the Rus were Slavs".[40]"
Essentially Poles got their rear end kicked by Vikings and became Rus.
Russia is as much descendant of Kievian Rus as is everyone else in the region. I.e. accounts that Ukrainians are descendants more than Russians or vice versa are just nationalism.
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@lepetitroquet9410 1) Georgia has invaded regions of Abhazia and South Ossetia - democracy and freedom prevailed and Georgians were pushed back. How can anyone in 21st century suggest that people have no right over their own land!
Soviets liberated Africa from western colonialism. These countries owe their freedom to Soviets - it was Soviet help for freedom fighters in these countries that now sees them as free. Again, its 21st century - slavery is over, sorry.
Syria is still occupied by US - their oil is taken from them - maybe you should look into that?
As for Afghanistan - wait, take a look at pictures from 1970s - they had girls in mini skirts, let me know who again supported the Taliban? Was it... the all "good" US? Who build schools there and whom paid the Taliban to blow them up? WHO!
Oh, so you are totally fine with nukes in Cuba and Venezuela then, are you? Oh wait, so why so panicked and saying US will go to war - after all, nukes from subs can reach Washington DC in mere minutes! So what is the big deal? Well? Why so afraid?
Sweden and Finland joined NATO for unknown reasons. This is why their joining of NATO was seen in Moscow as meh. They more or less were NATO for 30 years, making it formal is ... meh.
What now? Putin will bleed Ukraine idiots till they either realize they are idiots or till they are all dead. Either way Ukraine - or what is left of it - will not join NATO.
"The war in Ukraine has become a matter of life and death for the west as it exists now." -- really??? And why is that? Why west suddenly cares - after all - you said that it does not matter where the nukes are - so what is the big deal here?
One thought, why west cannot allow Ukraine to be neutral and have no nukes? Why such fixation here? I mean you said it does not matter - so why push so hard for stuff that does not matter? Or maybe it does!
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@abilea4081 This depends on a porter - standard porter, no English, just walking around the hills is 20. Some English, acts little bit like a guide is 25. I never used HAP but I assume going to 6000m is more and to 7000m is much, much more.
I knew the rate on Mustaq Ata from like 6 years ago per Kg, to camp 6200m it was like 10 USD and 15 USD to camp at 6800m. A porter could easily make base camp to 6200m in one day. Some did BC to camp 2 and BC to camp 1 in one day. So in today's money the pay was like $500 per day for very hard day of walking.
That is kings ransom.
If pay was crap no one would do it. People do it b/c pay is excellent.
Oh, Pakistan is less.
And yes, you need to pay all other fees on top of this, tips etc. In Pakistan I paid all expenses for my porter guide - like feeding him. Heck, there is even clothing fee - your porter cannot go around naked, you know.
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@ulikemyname6744 So wait, nothing in military world is advertised, yet you somehow know stuff? No one knows, its all top secret except you? How would US know or Ukraine of failure rates & why would they tell the truth? The same thing was used in WWII - where you intentionally mislead the enemy. When V1s were hitting London center, UK said that they were missing. Come on, some historical context here.
In the 1970s dogfights we have a very good performance by MiG-21 vs. F-4. In Vietnam US lost (with SV) over 10000 aircraft including helicopters. How is that dominance of the US?
Israel always owned Arabs in every shape and form - why do you think its even there? Arabs performed poorly when using US supplied weapons as well - so what?
Yugoslavia where super old S-125 managed to down US 117?
In Iraq where they lost 60 M1 tanks to some ISIS pickup trucks during battle of Mosul?
There is zero data for true ability of Tomahawk or Kalibr. All we have is what is disclosed publicly by both sides, and here we see Kalibr is better. Claims by US or Ukraine are meaningless - same as claims by Russia of poor performance of Tomahawk over Syria. If we trust both sources we see both missiles are just terrible,
As to US killing of massive number of civilians there are plenty of sources that add up to over a million. US had no qualms about attacking weddings, school children or even hospitals. All these were documented.
As to when the missiles became available, it has multiple variants. Some variants entered service before others. If you look at Kalibr whole family, some of these variants were already available for export in 1997. You are referring to the latest ground attack variant first combat use in 2015. This would be like talking about latest version of Tomahawk and saying its a new system.
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@lp9280 Where on earth did you get this "It is just a historic fact that democracies go to wars much less often than dictatorships, and even less often against other democracies."
Either it is totally false or US is NOT a democracy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_lengths_of_United_States_participation_in_wars
Compared to US Russia is a peace loving country.
Gendercide against Poles was done by Ukrainians not by Soviets or Russians.
There was no gendercide against any ethnics group under Soviet rule - i.e. holdomir was a result of failed policies that did not specifically targeted anyone. The sheer "targeting" of an ethnic group in Soviet Union would be a big no no and would get you death or a long time in Siberia.
Since WWII US is the biggest killer of foreign peoples. Prove me wrong on that one. Whom killed more? WHO!
"Ruthenia" or Rus is common word that denounces all people to the east of Poland.
"Grand Duchy of Lithuania" is a construct that was in union with Poland (same country) from around 500 years ago. I think you going a bit deep there.
"So if we talking about "historic fairness" the Poland didn't lose shit, they were just shifted westwards." false - Poland lost vast territories - as per land area.
"When union between Poland and Lithuania was created, the Lithuania was the bigger and more populous country. " False. Maybe you need to read more about this ---> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Lithuania
at time of union with Poland they did not even have 2m people! While Poland (with all fiefs) was 7.5m+
" The ruzzian federation actually traces its existence to the Novgorod Republic, which was province of Kievan Rus, but gained independence once Kievan Rus was occupied by Mongols and later Grand Duchy of Lithuania, followed by Lithuanian-Polish Commonwealth... followed by none other but ruzzian empire. Which makes it very stupid to say that Ukraine "broken off from Russian culture", NO it is a Russian culture, the ruzzian federation is the one which broke off like 800 years ago when Novgorod Republic became it's own entity."
LOL. All lands of European "Russia" "Ukraine" "Belarus" etc. were lands occupied by Polish tribes. Then the people from the north came in through the rivers and invaded these tribes and they were the RUS. There was no "Ukraine" or "Ukrainian" people till after around WWI or maybe before that a bit. There are no written documents etc. where there is "Ukraine" mentioned. None. Prove me wrong. Only around 100 years ago did "Ukraine" become a concept.
Thus I stand by my assertion to say that Ukraine broken off from Russian culture - they are actually very similar to this day and are quite distinct from Poles (especially the sheer brutality).
"So you clearly lacking historic knowledge, don't understand the cultural differences and lack depth in your commentary. " I think the same of you.
"I don't know what you mean about "referendum" after soviet Union collapse, all countries that appeared after the collapse already had strong national movements and they elected their democratic national governments.. what are you talking about?"
So what - borders were an issue. They should be ethnically divided. There now been many, many wars over this.
"Poles or Lithuanians independent from ruzzia" - actually it is Russia that celebrates its independence from Poland ;)
" Likewise ruzzian immigrants can't demand Crimea or Donbass to become part of ruzzia. " Umm, depends - remember that in Kosovo a lot of population is quite recent. Also ...
Crimea never was Polish, thus it never was Ukrainian, and was seat of Golden Horde. Thus after Russia (Cathrine) won the wars with Turkey it passed on to Russian empire. Thus any Ukrainian population there is immigrants (recent).
Why do you not move out from US to your preferred country you came from and let natives alone then if you are so anti immigration? People of Donbass been there before any concept of Ukrainian state. They have God given right to live how they like. I support their right to freedom. Their right to liberty - same as I supported US right to rebel against King.
" their national country by the way is already biggest in the world" ah right of freedom cut off by "you too big already"
I consider right of pp to be above all else. Freedom shall prevail. Crimea is Russia if people want it to be Russia. Donbass is Russia if people want it to be Russia. If Scots vote to leave UK and join EU that is their free will. If Kosovo becomes part of Albania - so be it. I will never infringe, as you do, on will of the people.
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But was Vichy France axis power? They "collaborated" in same way neutral countries did - they supplied resources and materials. They did far more as far as Jews and others are concerned BUT was it really Nazi German "heavy influence" or simply anti Jewish views that exploded in Europe in late 1930s? Imagine that anti-Semitism even exploded in Poland, most friendly to Jews nation. BUT they did not send military force, same as Hungary and Italy for example. Sure they had volunteers - quite many, but not as much per capita as others, such as Baltic nations or territory that was claimed as "Ukraine". Their refusal to join "free French" only underscores their neutrality - which of course was "questionable" - but so was neutrality of say USA. Sure, they were dependent on Germany and a puppet - but nothing more. In historical retrospect the decision was 100% correct - fighting to bitter end and heavily resisting like the Poles did cost millions of lives and huge destruction for no benefit at all then maybe "bragging rights". The French with their luck of resistance and passive acceptance may not be seen today as warriors (at least by older generation) BUT they did save their capital and they suffered light civilian losses. Also today they can, through use of propaganda, rehabilitate themselves.
As to the British, they did as US does today - only care for themselves. They used their allies not to these allies advantage but only to their own. So sinking of the French fleet was good idea only for the British. As history shows it was a bad move as no French ships did in fact join German navy - i.e. British worries were proven false.
Did Americans wanted the Jews??? Well, gee, I remember that certain ships heading for NA before WWII started with Jews were not allowed...
Once Germans walked into Vichy France it was government in name only.
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LOL, no. These guys are not idiots. Western guys just don't seem to get this war. At all. The war was fought, at least initially through rapid maneuvering. Russian forces are fully mechanized. The idea of deep battle. They did not have time to dismount, sweep etc. That is way, way, way too slow. In initial deep battle you move at break neck speed to gain as much land as possible before enemy can do anything.
Once this momentum is down, then you have all nice western things, such as infantry support, sweeping etc. Still not to western standards - Russia has lots of tanks, but you get some.
This has allowed Russia to do such things are having a record for fastest advance in a day or the most land grabbed in a week (per person).
Also tiny forces involved vs. huge opposing force. Russians need tanks, lots of them, as they are outnumbered otherwise at least 2-3 to 1. Or more. For example, as I am writting this CNN tells me there are just 76 BTGs in Ukraine, out of which 12 are at Mariupol and 11 freshly arrived for offensive. So only 50k Russians hold the line (and attempt to advance) against few hundred thousand Ukrainians. Russians are supported by about 70k+ of DPR and other allied forces. But still.
So in the west you would have had 2 tanks, and say 22 dismounts. In Russia, you have 10 tanks. Zero dismounts. If you went western way, Russians would be on full retreat while Ukraine would be nearing Moscow.
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larshildebrandt3835 LOL, stop drinking cool aid. You are watching too many super pro Ukraine channels and not thinking critically. Let me just look at some points:
"25% of the Great Black Sea Fleet is now GONE! And this from a nation that no longer has a navy! Why is this important? Because a LARGE number of the missiles fired into Ukraine originally came from these very ships that YOU say are of no consequence! "
-- only a single corvette that fires kalibr missiles was damaged - and not too much
-- I am unsure if the damaged sub was kalibr carrier or not
-- I am also unsure whatever Moskwa cruiser - the biggest success of Ukraine - was kalibr carrier - its main role was air defense
Most missiles fired are not kalibr and the actual platforms to fire them were only super mildly affected. Ukraine does not have any navy as Russia destroyed 100% of Ukraine navy.
"You never spoke about the recently downed SU-34's. " There is like precisely zero proof of this - there is just one video of a single retrival of possibly downed pilot. Both sides make claims to take out each other's aircraft - without proof this is meaningless.
"Yet you FAIL to mention that OVER 3 Million young, educated and skilled Russians left Russia because of the war Putin started. " - again there is zero proof of this. There is talk about a million leaving Russia. So what - many have returned to Russia - Russian men are free to leave Russia at any time. There are millions of Americans leaving outside of US - so what?
"You NEVER mention Russian losses."
We have them from BBC - they are low.
" Can Russia keep up with the losses in weapons/ammunition? And if so why does it going to North Korea and Iran for help?" - and what did US do, go to Pakistan for help? Seriously we are talking about it? In war you always can have more.
"What of the huge losses of Russian tanks, Armoured Personal Carriers, trucks etc etc? You NEVER mention these."
Russia is not running out of equipment - Ukraine is. Ukraine is running out of people - not Russia. Russia has, per west, 5x advantage in artillery and drones. Not to mention air power.
"what Russia did wrong during 2023" - it is not obvious if Russia did anything wrong in 2023 - Russian general staff said the main goal of 2023 was to end Ukraine counter offensive and grind UA forces on the front lines - they seem to have had a good year if these claims are true.
"What of the under-clothed and weaponized Russian conscripts?"
LOL, too much pro Ukraine channels here ;)) I may have believed in this if Russia mobilized over 10 million troops, not 300k + another 400k or so volunteers. Come on dude, they have like 10 million rifles in storage. Maybe 20. And even in WWII Russia had plenty of cold weather clothing. How can anyone be so ... delusional.
"Aka, what are Ukrainians doing right?" - I do not think they are doing anything major right - if they started talks with Russia it would be the right step. Equivalent question would be, what was Germany doing right in 1944? Answer would be nothing.
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@mirandadonovan1272 Umm, Putin is a master politician, probably the best world leader on Earth right now, at least of major power. His tactics so far are excellent. What corner? You mean he placed Ukraine in the corner?
Actually Russia almost entered NATO like 20 years ago, but they wanted same status as US ;)
He has almost double the support of Russian people then Biden in the US. No need to kill his opponents, he can marginalize them. Opponents cannot be dead or there will not be "systemic opposition". The concept is that there always will be opposition, its better to know who it is and control it vs. destroy it and never control it.
LGBT people are disliked by Russians due to wester woke push. Zero to do with Putin.
Russian people are almost certain to pick a hand picked by Putin replacement, in fully democratic elections with EU watchdog at the door. Russian people, same as Afghan people, do not feel the need to accept US ideas - they freely choose their own future, their own goals etc. Who are the Americans to tell them its wrong? Same ones that "civilized" the native people?
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@Tugela60 These guns were not accurate b/c they had not been upgraded with sensors. These "inaccurate" guns were so good many were used until recently in the west ;) When upgraded they were quite decent - their main fault was with change in tactics. No one really needs now 155mm or 152mm slow firing guns. Otherwise they were totally fine. Very accurate.
Soviet guns of WWII - same as their tanks were so crappy that the west AKA Nazi Germany not only used captured equipment, but also produced spare parts for it as well as frequently copied the equipment or the idea.
Again, modern barrels and 100 year old barrels are the same as far as production goes - really. Honest. The main change in them is with alloy element. Hones. That is it. I know, shocking but true.
You obviously do not have a clue as to how Russia or Soviets operated in their military doctrine. For example, as far as barrels go - Russia will run out of ammo, long, long time before they run out of barrels. Same with tank engines. They will not run out of these either. Same with US, they run out of bombs before they run out of planes.
Of much, much more significant issue is barrel wear on limited number of western systems for which Ukraine has ammo. Also no one is talking about barrel life till re-certification - i.e. once barrel reaches its life it can be re-certified after inspection. Given that Russia has like 10x more artillery but fires only 5x as much ammo - why no one talks about Ukraine barrel life is beyond me.
Finally, we have range issue - or so called full charges. If you do not fire full charges, you barrel lives longer.
Even if Russia did not make any barrels and with standard life of a barrel at "average charge" of just 2000 rounds, we have Russia ruining 10 per day. At that rate they would only have trashed their most common towed artillery by now. But we all know, they have spare barrels a plenty - same as they have at least 3x as many tank engines as tanks.
As a parting gift: "As an example, when the bore diameter of the
M199 Cannon increases from 155mm to 157.480mm, the Barrel must be replaced. "
From "Wear and Erosion in Large Caliber Gun Barrels " PDF - as you can see these are not very precise ... a variation of over 2mm is allowed (!!!!) So much for precision.
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@Giganfan2k1 LOL, they have 9 brigades - that is not even 40k troops ;)
Ukraine got around 1500 pieces of hardware.
Russia is producing a lot of tanks, helicopters and as you can see more and more advanced drones
Combined arms: "Combined arms hits the enemy with two or more arms simultaneously in such a manner that the actions he must take to defend himself from one make him more vulnerable to another." "For example, an armoured division, the modern paragon of combined arms doctrine, consists of a mixture of infantry, tank, artillery, reconnaissance, and helicopter units, all of which are co-ordinated and directed by a unified command structure."
Russians do this far and wide better than Ukrainians. Note "artillery" and note "helicopter".
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@speakingwithoutnet There was very little reason for anyone to speak Ukrainian - until recently even president of Ukraine did not speak Ukrainian often. For Belarus, the same thing - Lukaszenko spoke it like for the first time ever officially this year (!)
So yes, almost no Russian on the border of Ukraine speaks Ukrainian. There never was a reason for them to speak it. On the other side, Polish - Ukraine - when large parts of present day Ukraine in Poland, any spoken Ukrainian was mixed and matched with Polish frequently. Or speakers would switch back and forth. etc. Its like speaking English vs. speaking British. Your question is more like "so no one in UK speaks American? Well I guess some do, but its not really *needed*"
Given the size of the region that around 65-70% of troops from both sides are concentrated and given that fight for some villages has been ongoing since beginning of the war (Adiivka) I say taking like 9 villages in a day is a major rout.
You are incorrect in your assessment of propaganda. It needs to stick at least till its no longer needed. Like only crazy pp now believe reports of Ukrainian Ministry of defense. How do you know they are lying - their lips are moving. why is that? Why they have like no credibility of any kind? Well, how many Ghosts of Kiev can pp take? 1, 2, 3? 10? 20? How many fake offensives did Ukraine now have, dozens? Maybe more?
However, same cannot be said of Russian side - this is common in war, generally side that is winning will lie less or create far less fakes as they simply do not need them. Russia does not need to invent success - they have it. Russia does not need fake POWs - they have real ones. Russia does not need to say they routed Ukraine - they make videos and we all can see they did indeed taken the town - as it is difficult to ... well, have Russian troops in UA held city film things around them ... at least without getting shot at.
Sure Russians lie, like I do not trust all the downed UA aircraft stats - they seem to be made up. I do not trust at all Russian claims of how many pp missiles killed (they seem to be over the top --- but hey, some were indeed confirmed by Ukraine!) I certainly do not trust Russian sources on how many vehicles they destroyed.
But I do generally trust Russians like 10 -100x more then UA as far as taking land is concerned. It was now repeated way more then 100 times that UA has plainly lied. Like till yesterday Ukraine contested claim by Russia that they have taken village of Vrublivka near Zalote cauldron. Then magically everyone forgot about that stupid claim. Heck magically western map shown whole terrain magically taken by the Russians, including that village, and heck the cauldron was cleared faster then Russians claim it was!
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@shaneb315 Bandera has 100s of monuments in Ukraine, is official (by act of parliament) hero of Ukraine. This is equivalent to having Hitler official hero of Germany. So not only neo Nazi consider him a her as he is hero for all of Ukraine by act of her government.
Support for Bandera in the west Ukraine was over 2/3 - hence all the monuments. So I guess you just proven that around 2/3 of western Ukraine is neo Nazi ("only neo Nazi types consider him a hero - not the entire nation ") This is certainly true - not entire nation, only 2/3 ;)
"During World War 2 , western Ukrainian anti communists fought against the Soviets " there was very little of that during WWII - most of the fighting by OUN was against Poles and Jews. Any fights against Soviets were mostly accidental.
" Ukrainian anti communists linked up with them to fight a common foe - those Ukrainian's were not Nazis ." and that common enemy were Poles and Jews???? Really???? You do know they killed a healthy number of Czechs as well? And anyone else non Ukrainian!
Just to educate you on OUN -B the rules were much more strict then German rules - you had to show all 4 grandparents. If you were of mixed marriage, say your wife was Polish, your duty was to kill her and all your kids to purify blood line. You were given an ax and you were to do it. If you did not, they did it for you.
These factions were pure Nazi. Its part of history. Like I said, my grandfather fought against German Nazi and Ukrainian Nazi. The Ukrainian Nazi were far and wide worse.
Ukrainians attacked villages at night, killed everyone and then they destroyed every house. Everything, even the church. This way there was no chance of anyone ever coming back there. they took out 4500 Polish towns and villages that way. None of these pp ever got a funeral.
Just to show you whom you are supporting, Ukrainians after killing the parents found a young girl. They decided to have some fun with her. They gouged her eyes out so she dies slowly. Account was written down by an aunt that found her, girl died later on.
"The fact is President Zelensky is a Jew , members of his family were exterminated in Nazi death camps - do you think he has much time for Nazis" and Jews (all of them) are some kind of "special people" that have three arms and 10 legs? They are normal people. Jews can be Nazi as well. Do you know how many capos were Jews in concentration camps? All of them! There are plenty of bad Jews - just as any other pp. A Jewish lawyer successfully defended a WWII camp guard ... in Israel! And you think Zelensky cannot be this or that just b/c he is Jewish? Really? He went up with same guy that supported Azov battalion. His "friends" have OUN-B insignia. All are Nazi but Zelensky is somehow not?
Nazi types do exist everywhere but usually they are not as engrained in a country as in Ukraine and Baltic states. You can see it not just in monuments, not just in politicians, but also policy.
Long live democratic Ukraine - if it wants to be with Russia so be it - people have choice and if they want to be part of Russia so be it. You do not believe in democracy as you claim - since choice means a NO choice is a valid response. Donbass and Crimea do not want to be with Kiev Nazi Regime. And I support their free choice.
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@tekannon7803 Hello, Canadian huh?
Do note that the same UN conventions say that the people have the right to decide their fate. I.e. people of Kosovo have the right to decide their fate and thus should NOT be forced to be in Serbia.
Same holds for Taiwan - if we uphold your view China has absolute right to take Taiwan by force and no one has any UN right to do anything against that.
What if Quebec stopped hating everyone and wanted to become part of France - I mean its technically right next door to Canada. Quebec has the right, and did use it twice now, to vote to separate from Canada. The reason such referendums failed was Canada did everything it can to convince Quebec that its better to stay.
Meanwhile Ukraine did everything in their power to convince Donbass and Crimea that being part of Ukraine is a VERY, VERY bad idea.
I wish Ukraine as more like Canada in this respect, it ditched its Nazi past and actually embraced multi ethnic background. Finally, if that have failed, there is no need to keep pp by force in 21st century - if Donbass and Crimea do not wish to be part of Ukraine, why keep them by force of arms?
I certainly would not go to Quebec and tell them to go "back to France" and leave rest to "Canada". if they do not wish to be part of Canada, the door is wide open, they can leave. Same with other provinces, such as Alberta - if they want to go - let them. No need to send tanks from Ottawa to force views on people.
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@toddabbott781 There are no millions and millions of 3D printing files. Not on this site or any other site that I know of - there were few things I found of moderate use but most things in 1000s are ... toys. I did go to Cults3D. Toys and more toys. No tools.
First of all a printer prints i.e. it deposits metal to create a new object. If you are cutting something out of raw aluminum you are milling the part. A small CNC machine for hobby use will run you around 10k or so - check out Tormach - they are one of the older established brands.
LOL, about "lathe attachment" - to do rifling you need long drills, custom made bushings and ability to insert or remove these - you need a 14x40 lathe that weights around 1500 lbs or so, or you are making a toy gun ;) Also you need high pressure oil pump, the drill bits are very expensive as they are made to special size and have holes in the middle to push oil through. Oil is under like 300 PSI. Check out "rifling machine".
To make brass casing you would need a press and a special form. If this was so easy to do all 1 million plus people reloading their guns would have done it LONG time ago. But instead they buy their brass. 3D printing brass to specs would be very difficult, I assume maybe doable with a 250k machine, maybe - this would be very hard. Your description is of automated production line - if this could be done cheap like few large arms manufacturers would be all over it. The current process is quite automated.
If you can put what you say for 7500 I buy it immediately. I trade machinery as a hobby. I am actually building my first CNC milling machine.
Realistic pricing would be around 10,000 for CNC machine at minimum. Than a lathe, say 6000, and you need to make your own rifling adapter for say 1000. 3D printer is cheap, say 300. Hydraulic press would need to be somewhat automated if you want to actually make your own casing, but a pneumatic model should be had for 2000 without much automation. Dies would be expensive - if there is a set to buy I assume it would be up to 1000. Other stuff say 2000 to 3000 - measuring stuff, vices, basic tooling. So I say for well over 20000 you could have an nice setup to make ghost guns.
Oh and I have friends who do what I say above, so I know how much effort and learning curve it is to do proper rifling. For experienced machinist we are talking about 5 to 10 tries, with initial tries taking up to a day. After that you can make barrels like two per day that are more accurate than what you can buy at a store. Oh, and stainless costs 2x as much as regular.
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@LazyBastard675 If that was true for everyone - hence I said Neutral - small countries would not sell arms - including lots that Sweden sells. Really? Grippen sales are public. I do not see big sales - it is not even close to anyone from France - supposedly superior aircraft cannot sell even through its cheaper.
Its marketing hype only. Once it goes head to head in evaluations it falls short. It is only bought as a budget aircraft.
Main strength of grippen is that it is cheap and there is full tech transfer. Look at what they are doing to Canada - I mean they practically offer it for free compared to F-35.
No airforce that expects to fight has bought grippen - major customers such as India - which needs a light fighter - avoided it. Even when they were desperate and very low on $$$. India went with French. Supposedly inferior and far more expensive. Again Saab is offering it for next to nothing, sending unsolicitated bids with not just full tech transfer, but also huge offsets and investments.
So why Grippen cannot win anything given that it is so good, so cheap, offers huge offsets unmatched by anyone?
Even their good buddies Finds chose, inferior, according to you F-18. Now Fins are again aiming to replace F-18 and we have Grippen x2 - would not be shocked if it lost again. Even if you family does not want it, must be not that great.
I only look at grippen as a mid capability low cost fighter whose main strength is its price to what you get ratio. For about 1/2 intial price of F-35 you get aircraft that can do 85% of what F-35 can, plus 25 year ownership is like 1/3. So billions saved. It is based on same principle as say MiG-29M - very cheap, mid performance, cheap maintenance.
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@Energetiker So why don't anyone want say UN recognized referendum? Under UN rules with EU checks and balances, you know 100% legit. If your claims about #s are correct, which they are NOT, why doesn't Ukraine allow for such voting to take place? Well WHY NOT?
Are you 100% sure that people living in Ukraine have "rights" - really? One of demands set out by Russia is same rights as minorities have in Europe. So Russia went to war, to get same rights as are in Europe. Strange, you claim Ukraine has these rights - but when discussing these Ukraine refuses! So I think you are wrong here - people have rights say in Canada - Quebec build 300 bombs before it was granted French language rights... In Ukraine the opposite occurred, Russian language was made illegal. This is just tip of the ice berg. Same issues that occurred in Kosovo did occur exactly in Donbass and Crimea + other areas.
Ukraine officially made Stephan Bandera a Hero of Ukraine - a know heavy duty Nazi. Open your eyes man - these guys have Azov, ultra Nazi as regular army - people that think they are continuation of SS Glaitzen.
Peaceful neighbor that bombarded Donbass for 8 years instead of honoring Minsk agreements it signed? Seriously? You totally ignore lots of evidence. Like if there are no Nazi in Ukraine, why not make them illegal? LOL. Zielinski will not touch big part of his government that is Nazi. 70% support for Bandera in the West Ukraine. You just ignore these facts as they are not in TV.
Or you ignore the fact that Ukraine refused to recognize murder of over 1m Poles, mostly Jews, during WWII and refused to even allow any exhumation of these dead people. They refused to acknowledge their WWII crimes. Oh, maybe b/c they teach in their history class "alternative history"?
Russia may not be a "good" or have a "good leader" but neither can be said of Ukraine or US.
I hope you also have miserable day. Remember, democracy and people need for freedom will always eventually win - as it did in Vietnam and as it does in Donbass today. Maybe such "freedom" in Vietnam and Donbass is abused, true, but its there and cannot be ignored. You cannot ignore freedom, at least not in long run.
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@3Fluxus3 Well, what if the other side does not let you secede peacefully? Did UK allow creation of USA peacefully? Do you support creation of USA or you think the rebel bastards got lucky?
Russia does give some FU as far as what pp want as pp that resist it heavily mean constant war. Heck, even Stalin to some point cared (!!!) Hence why Poland was indeed created after WWII in much smaller version (a lot of land was robbed and Ukraine made out of it).
If independence of Donbass is such fiction and Ukraine was so sure that it and Crimea would come back to mother Ukraine then why oppose any notion of UN sponsored referendums. Say same as in UK, when Scotland voted or Quebec. No Russians, just both parties and UN.
But no, this was NOT allowed - Ukraine had sovereign right like Span, not to have such episode.
Who is running the show in Ukraine right now? Zielinski is the guy pushed to the top by ultra right wing aka Nazi guy. All his friends are Nazi. We have a Jew, whom is Nazi. These people worship Bandera whom killed over a million pp - most of them Jews, but others were killed b/c Ukrainian Nazi did not want minorities. They killed off minorities or even killed, when organized, majorities (Polish). Russians do remember that.
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@seanniemeyer5437 Didn't whole Donbass fight against Ukrainian Kiev regime????
"Do you understand the difference between dictatorship and democracy?" I do, but do you??? You are believing way too much of what you read in the west. Way way too much. I ask you how could Hitler be a dictator - his party after all had most votes and this he was handed they keys to the kingdom (no other party wanted to have coalition). Then he proceeded to simply outlaw all other parties. How many parties are in Ukraine? ONE. Opposition is made of "bad elements" and was eliminated ;) After all, whom does not agree with Z is a bad man.
" Crimea cost Russia a lot of money 60% of it tourists industry came from Ukraine. " LOL, no, they needed to pay pensions and fix infrastructure - tourism is now from Russia and is way, way more income than before.
"resettlement of over a million Russians to Crimea" - why would anyone do that or pay for that ;) I am sure some moved there to retire as this is what the place has been used for - see above about pensions. But a million is way too much, it would increase population by 50%.
"amnesty international, the UN human rights monitoring mission in Ukraine (HRMMU), Human Rights Watch, the Office of the United nations high commissioner for human rights (OHCHR)." Oh and what about same reports for Ukraine proper??? Where are they??? Why did not UN make reports about abuses there? Selective reporting?
How can anyone trust western sources when they fully allowed return of Nazism in Ukraine and pretend all is fine? Where are western condemnations? where are sanctions? But what do you expect from a system which ignores atrocities in Yemen, Iraq or older stuff from war in Vietnam.
As for Minsk agreement - once the other side drifts away from it, why do you think you should keep your side. It took two to tango. Do you think it was easy for Russia to go onto full scale war - I am sure they did all they could to avoid it. You only go to war when political solution is not attainable. Ukraine before the war few times repeated that "we may take a look at Minsk again". So they knew they did not do their side. And yes I read the Minsk agreement - its not a lot of things in both that are to read - the summary of all points is like 1 page.
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@seanniemeyer5437 You must be crazy to think that in any referendum unless it was heavily fixed Crimea would pick something other then Russia. This would be like doing referendum in Berlin and expecting them to say, join Poland ;)
"Ukraine is a very poor country" that is an under statement, its now close to being the poorest country on earth, if not there already. Before the war it was middle Africa level, now it is low Africa level, maybe poorer then Afghanistan.
" international investment" - it had such issues from the very start, it had these issues with pro Russia and pro west government. Since it emerged from the Soviet Union it never had anyone invest there... other then... Russia.
"Ukraine would have been wealthier had they been able to join the EU. " LOL, well, they made the mistake in 2014 of trying to be pro EU and look how their economy tanked. Oh I am sure you blame Russia for like everything. This is the standard excuse. Look, Baltics border Russia, Poland borders Russia. I do not see them as poorest on Earth. There was little past 2014 Ukraine could give to EU - it was an epic mistake to join up with EU that costed Ukraine its economy. In order to be rich with EU you need to have something to trade with EU. But Ukraine had nothing. Really, nothing. So much nothing it had not developed normal trade relations with EU. Its main trading partner is China - where they sell food.
The best title I seen about Ukraine (by Polish economy professor) is titled "rich country of very poor people". With now open borders with EU the disaster of Ukraine continues as everyone and their dog and cat are leaving Ukraine. A country of old people, farmers, and Nazi. Yep, certainly a lot to offer for EU ;)
If you do not believe me you can look up their economy and what their idiot governments did to it starting from 91. May I remind you that in 91 they were a country of well over 50 million people, with GDP per capita higher then Poland. For many years they had governments that switched between west and Russia - so cannot blame Russia. Yet their economy never went up - it just went down. Before the war, they had just 37m taxpayers as per Kiev. They were uber poor. Almost 3 times poorer then Russia. Even more vs. Poland. Now they have maybe 28m or 27m taxpayers. If this war ends in say 6m they may have less then 20m (!!!!). And I already outlined whom will make up these 20m. So what will they offer to EU???? Trips to Kiev to see Russian missile strikes???? Will that be their biggest export?
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@seanniemeyer5437 Well, after fall of Minsk agreement what do you expected? If people of Donbass do not want to be in Ukraine, why Ukraine insists on keeping them by force? I know in US if a state had a referendum to separate tanks would roll, but in many places, like UK or Canada, if someone voted to leave by referendum I believe it would be honored. I.e. they would be allowed to leave.
So I just named two sovereign nations, UK and Canada, which I also believe you think are sovereign, which would allow for these that do not want to be with them to just leave.
Yes, a lot of help from Russia will be needed to help rebuild Donbass - but until it becomes part of Russia it can be left at a level similar to Ukraine - there is a reason why Donbass de-populated at the same rate as rest of Ukraine - people left for Russia.
Well, if it becomes part of Russia I see no problem paying for its defense. There will not be any costs of "occupation" as one can say that Russia is paying for cost of occupation for Moscow as well.
Sure, in the short - medium term it will hurt Russian standard of living. But Russian people are as such that they will take the pain - they are proud people and will be happy that Russia showed the west it can fight. They also will know they are helping their fellow Russians.
Ukraine will never be in NATO - this was one of the causes of the war after all. Maybe in 50 years it may join EU. Probably more then that, 75? EU membership is not a big threat to Russia, NATO is. On the other hand, maybe if Russia takes what it needs and Ukraine signs up that it no longer has a claim to that land, Ukraine could join NATO? This is at least 20 years away then, maybe much more.
Of more interest then Donbass and Crimea are all other territories that Russia will add.
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@seanniemeyer5437 Given how everyone run around scared of powerful Russia I doubt that anyone outside of propaganda machine believes Russia is weak. On the contrary Russia has shown they are indeed one of the strongest armies on earth. Heck if US air power could be controlled with powerful air defenses there is no way similar number of US soldiers could taken on same number of Russians - Russians are clearly superior ground force.
"poor treatment of prisoners of war" - yes Ukraine was found multiple times executing POWs. On camera. With video.
"the expectation is for Russia to be beaten to the point the Russian army no longer has the will to fight." well that is not happening. Russia is winning the war without having to mobilize. Which is amazing against supported at peer adversary.
You misunderstood "take the knee" - this means doing US bidding. Being US lap dog like say UK. That is what taking the knee means.
"forced deportation of Ukrainian civilians " - there were complains Russia is taking civilians into Russia. Now you are complaining reverse.
"Russian war ships being sunk in the black sea make Russia look week." Oh come on, US lost an aircraft carrier in port to a fire. No one called US navy weak.
"Every cruise missile that hits a school, or hospital or residential building turns the voters of the west against Russia. " Russians are way to cheap to shoot a million USD plus missile at a residential building. Accidents do happen. Missiles get shot down and hit a school. At least they did not smoke a lot of civilians or a hospital market on a map intentionally like US later claiming they though they were terrorists. You should not play civilian card if you are American. US killed so many millions of civilians that Russia would need to kill every Ukrainian to maybe catch up. Maybe. As far as killing civilians US is such a leader they are more untouchable then their covid numbers.
"Ukraine's small poorly equipped and trained army has definitely made Russia look weak. " I never had the largest and strongest army entirely in Europe describe in such terms. How would you call French army then - almost not there? Or UK army, none, just some weak navy? Or German army - just a shadow?
Come on, Ukraine had the largest, super heavily armed army in Europe. Their main weakness was air-foce. But by the number of modern air defense systems, as an example, they were stronger then Germany. Maybe 4 or 5 times stronger then Poland (at least). You may want to read about it. Also I said modern - yeah, not some ancient stuff. Modern.
I will not even mention artillery, where Ukraine was like all of NATO in Europe combined (!!!!!)
This is why giving Ukraine 100 M777 is a joke ;) compared to the numbers they had.
"How long will it take Russia to replace the losses in equipment that it has sustained. " I expect few years. They have ability to turn around 150, maybe almost 200 T-72 upgrades per year. They can also use another factory that used to make T-80s. I say less then 5 years. Airforce added around 70 new airframes per year including helicopters, so maybe 3 years? 4? Overall I say at most 5 years.
I agree, Putin should have tightened the screws more on corruption. But it seems endemic to former Soviet Union. I mean there is no single former republic that does not have high corruption. Some places its like scary high.
"Controlling a third of the world's wheat production " umm, Russia already has that. They also went big into organics - I think they are one of the largest producers. Doing resources is what Russia knows. So wheat or metal or other raw stuff is what Russia is able to make. And good weapons. Consumer goods, not so much. Through Lada Niva is a good off roader.
War against Ukraine has multiple area of why. Its not simple as to why, its not one sentence answer. Needless to say from geopolitical view point having Ukraine in NATO would be a disaster for Russia. They simply need to stay neutral as much as Cuba cannot have nukes (nor Venezuela nor anyone as close as them to US). This is in case you tell me that sovereign Ukraine has the right - so does Cuba and others, no? Avoiding this war was not that hard.
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@anglet64 Well, we do know whom is going into recession - Europe is - they say they will be in recession in the last 3 months of 2022 and first 3 months of 2023.
But what is multiplier of goods for that 1.4T ? If its 20 as an example, then Russia represents ending of value added product of 28T while NATO is only 18T. Clearly 28 >> 18. I think what pp do not understand that a lawyer in NY making at least 500 USD per hour needs a desk, which is nice, which costs also 500 USD. That desk needs mostly wood to be made into a desk which costs in say US (its a nice desk) $50. The said wood is from Russia and Russians get maybe $20 for it... So you say, look these poor smucks, how they can ever compete against mighty economy of Europe.... They do not realize that lawyer needs that desk to work and wood worker needs that wood to make a desk. Without that $20 for wood, 1000s of USD cannot be made in value added products.
UK alone is spending on "energy subsidy" about half $$$ which Russia receives in revenue for energy sold to all of EU. If you make it a model for EU, they will spend at least 5x as much $$$ to deal with subsidies so their energy sector survives then what Russia made $$$ from energy (!) And these are just subsidies. Price of oil and gas is still super high with them - so if you count that you are probably at 10x or maybe even 15x of what Russia made - total.
Or to make it uber simple, do not anger farmers, without them there would be no life ;) Many may be poor (especially in 3rd world) but they are far more important then lawyers that make 100x ... even to overall economy.
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@geodkyt I seen on video at least 100 tanks of Ukraine were captured by Russians. Then we have air force losses, we have 200 sorties per day. Say 100 are close air support. Say half of them are against moving targets. Say only 10% of these are tanks. And each aircraft kills only 1 tank per mission, we have 5 tanks per day - this is a bit of a low ceiling as say in Izium front yesterday aircraft destroyed like 8. Times this by days of war, so we have about 300 tanks taken care of by air force. Double that for helicopters.
So 600 tanks destroyed. Russian tanks are also taking out enemy vehicles, they also have man portable weapons in large quantities. They have much more powerful artillery. They have drones. Etc. So one would assume a number here of say 200. Add this up and you are close to 1000 tanks destroyed.
If you find above hard to believe lets assume your position - if your side was true, Ukraine would not only defeat Russians they would be heading in Moscow direction. Also Ukraine would not be so desperate for tanks - they would have plenty of their own. Germany would not need to think about sending old Leo 1s.
One has to remember that both sides started with roughly same # of tanks, over a 1000 deployed. After loosing a 1000 Ukraine went to its reserves - which on paper are huge, but I doubt they have more then 1000 tanks they can use - rest are ghosts. So this perfectly explains desperation, old T-72s and Leo 1s etc.
Also one has to note army sizes deployed. Russians only deployed, as per US army, today 78 BTGs. These have at most 1000 soldiers each. They are supplemented by Donbass forces and others. Given size of Ukraine armed forces and conscription, Ukraine has at least 2:1 advantage in man power deployed. If they actually did so well as you claim in equipment department I doubt Russians would be attacking.
The actual number of destroyed Ukrainian equipment is likely higher - thus the panic in Kiev. Note out of that 1000 many may be salvaged - but this is not so likely if terrain is taken by Russians - i.e. looser cannot salvage equipment. Thus the offer of say Poland to "fix" equipment in Poland. Remember, Ukraine started this war with most tanks in Europe, biggest air defense system in Europe and largest artillery core in Europe in addition to largest army in Europe.
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@nobodyherepal3292 In 1918 tanks were all nice and cool - same as machine guns but they DID NOT break anything. tanks were slow and easy to destroy with... artillery. Heck I consider German storm troopers to be more important than tanks in making assaults.
"Artillery, even years later in the Second World War, failed routinely to destroy or dislodge dug in opponents. Even with naval-sized gun fire support, As seen at places like Leningrad, Stalingrad, Omaha beach, monte casino, Okinawa, Tarawa, Iwo Jima, and many other places. "
Literally every place you mentioned artillery played decisive role.
If artillery was so "bad" no one would invest into it or its faster equivalent --- air power - for what are bombs but just air dropped shells. Essentially best way to take out enemy is to lob explosives at them using different methods.
As to combined arms - it has been used for well over 2000 years - no one invented anything in WWI related to it.
" Even in WW1, artillery constantly failed to dislodge enemy forces dug in to a position, even when fired in the millions of rounds" - you do know that artillery killed during WWI around 1 person per just over 100 shots. So each million of rounds fired was roughly 10,000 enemies dead. If your side fired more of it === more enemies dead. Combined with smaller central powers population it means they are done for. Get it?
Once your side has 10:1 man power advantage you can do "decisive attack" with say infantry combined with tanks. But to get to that 10:1 you use something called artillery.
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@Cythil The faint is way, way too well done to be a fake. We had things happen 2 weeks before showing its part of the plan. Even execution of the faint proves its a faint. All experts wondered why Russians, their 1st tank army, did not have backup taking care of the rear - Russian playbook says 3 waves. Here only 1. Did not make sense. But now it does.
Attacks on fuel depots, rail lines etc. Situation and attacks in Donbass. It all plays well. Same as troops used, so little, just 30-40k for Kiev / whole northern front. The show with 60km convoy.
There is too many things here to just say its an excuse for a loss. If it was 1 thing, well, who cares, 2, coincidence. But more then 2?
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@Schwarzvogel1 US has... no oversea holdings? Really? Seriously??? It has most of Europe, small parts of Asia and to control it all a large feel. It has around 200 military bases around its colonies.
As for the British, it is true they did not fight too hard after the descent started, but not so much due to some kind of pacifist feelings but more in line with simply being unable to do so - after all, falling WWII UK was bankrupt and needed emergency loan from the US - this is hardly a position to start wars -
" In this context, while other European powers such as France and Portugal waged costly and unsuccessful wars to keep their empires intact, Britain generally adopted a policy of peaceful disengagement from its colonies. In reality, this was rarely peaceable or altruistic. Between 1945 and 1965, the number of people under British rule outside the UK itself fell from 700 million to 5 million, 3 million of whom were in Hong Kong".
What they mean above that through UK could not do any major actions for a bit and tried to "disengage" they did not do so to the degree you suggest. There was blood - and lots and lots of it.
I.e. despite UK more or less being bankrupt it still fought as much as it was able to.
I do not see why US would be today or even anytime soon as weak as UK was. Also others that were a bit stronger did fight.
" please tell me the last time the US attacked a country which anyone actually liked, or which had any major significance to the global economy." Are you kidding? US invaded a lot of countries - there is a huge list. We have Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria just recently - I am sure everyone knows about Vietnam.
" country which anyone actually liked" - I am not sure what does it mean.
"it attacks countries which are already borderline pariahs on the global stage, and which no one cares much for (or about)." Wow, just wow, so its not OK somewhat to attack countries that US designates as targets which it says are "borderline pariahs on the global stage"? I guess Russia should just designate Ukraine that - and just like that its OK. Heck, Taiwan is not even a country - so totally fine.
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@mosconi0359 LOL, you are not really knowing how we measure metals - we have tensile strength, we have hardness, ductility, and then we have some additional properties such as whatever alloy is magnetic, whatever it is weldable (and if not weldable with standard stuff what can be used), if it work hardens, machinability index, resistance to corrosion, strength loss due to heat, ability to heat treat, plastic deformation and I am sure many others.
This is why we have 1000s of alloys. A lot. Most bodies of cars and trucks are made with high use of mild steel - which is usually something like 1018. BUT, many manufacturers started using different alloys - alloys that offer more tensile strength can be used in truck frame to simply make it lighter. Some parts of cars and trucks use a lot of composite materials to save on weight.
As to your spaceship - if the goal was to make it stronger - which I am assuming tensile strength, then SS would not be used as there are far better alloys for this that are cheaper. Heck something like 4330 steel. Again, I am 99% sure SS was used for heat as other than Titanium (expensive) it is better than any other alloy at dealing with heat.
Even high carbon mild steel is "stronger" then some of the strongest SS. SS is not very "strong" at all.
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@zooldoo Problem is in Ukraine, in difference to most places on earth extremists are allowed to form armed units & country laws support them. Also in Ukraine they have huge support, west Ukraine has 70% support for Bandera!
NATO is an alliance of countries that US has heavy control over. US frequently gets token support of NATO in its wars. Many wars. Lots of wars. Thus by far NATO is not defensive only alliance. Defensive only alliance would not be involved in more wars then any other country / group on earth.
Azov battalion (or is it division now) is sure to end up with Javelins and NLAW etc. Come on.
If moving NATO troops was not done to "offend" Russia - why main demand of Russia is to decrease these numbers - I mean they were high before Ukraine. US builds 100s of bases all over the world for control purposes.
Poland dislike of Russia is based on the fact that they guy whom controls the government, aka the duck, thinks they killed his brother AND even before that he did not like them (commie red stuff). Through even he said that Ukraine will not enter EU with Bandera.
If Russia is shadow of Soviet Union, why everyone is scared of it? Finland / Sweden had an understanding with Soviets they will not join NATO. I guess Russia being weak now is prompting them to join? Or is it pressure from US?
Regarding Ukraine & respecting borders, why NATO does not respect border of Serbia? Why NATO carved out Kosovo? Why NATO wants "freedom" for Taiwan - if they respect borders so much, does it apply universally, or ... more selectively.
Personally I am tilting more towards people in the regions deciding their fate, similar to as post WWI - Crimean wants to be with Russia, let them. east Ukraine wants to leave Bandera, let them. Taiwan wants to be outside of China, sure. Catalonia wants to separate from Spain, why not? Etc.
One has to point out also no conditions in Ukraine for any minority to live there. They do not have even a hint of laws present in EU. They have even less then another "Nazi" which are the Baltics. How is EU tolerating the Baltics is beyond me, but I guess not all minorities or not all people are equal.
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@cheeseguy1327 So you are telling me that military drones managed to fly from Russia, towards Sweden, home of the Grippen fighter, fly over some protected area and then return to Russia unharassed? If yes, then maybe you should start learning Russian, you deserve it.
On more serious note, these almost certainly were civilian drones. Like 99.99%. I know Sweden has enough tech to detect basic drone flying over it and either intercept it or shot it down. This is not Afghanistan, its somewhat well developed country.
Also at such range military drones are not small, they are the size of a small aircraft, we would have pictures of such drones, if they flown low enough to be heard.
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@kyoungd US had volunteer army during times of Vietnam but it simply was not enough thus US had to do draft. "conscription remains in place on a contingency basis and all male U.S. citizens, regardless of where they live, and male immigrants, whether documented or undocumented, residing within the United States, who are 18 through 25 are required to register with the Selective Service System.[2][3] United States federal law also continues to provide for the compulsory conscription of men between the ages of 17 and 45 and certain women for militia service pursuant to Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution and 10 U.S. Code § 246"
Ukraine does not really have a navy nor it has any nuclear forces nor it actually spent any money on air force - all of it went to the army in addition to aid supplied by the west from 2014.
The military aid - as you state 50B in say first year of the war is significantly more than Russia spends on its equipment for the army during a year - around... 5x more. I know, shocking that soldiers in the Russian army get paid a salary, or they maintain their bases or maybe existing equipment etc. Actual acquisition budget is not 100%.
US is not fantastic at fighting a conventional war at all - US lost almost every war it ever was in. Including conventional wars. Please do name a war, other than 1st Iraqi war and not a small invasion of an island of Grenada where US army had a victory since WWII.
Russia is good at conventional war - it won almost every conventional war it was in since its inception again in 1992! Cannot say that for US. Also as Soviet Union we see almost all victories - "List of wars involving Russia" on wiki for a list. Yep, looks good no? Through I would say Syrian war is more or less over and is a Russian victory, as usual. Right now Russia is on clear course to win in Ukraine - despite epic level of western support, full mobilization etc. Russia is set to win a full blown conventional war in Europe.... certainly way, way, way better record than US - which last time fought at peer enemy and won ... in WWII (!)
I am unsure about this myth of western crucial involvement in Russian gas and oil infrastructure. Its not like Russia has no connections outside of it and its not like Russia cannot take care of its own oil.... you do know.... that Russia managed to get oil as Soviets.... with zero western help? Not even tiny little bit?! It also sent dog and man to space, without any western help - who would have ever believe that!
Why would China need expertise in oil and gas - they have Russia for that. They are one of world's largest producers - they certainly have technology needed.
Why would China ask for concessions - we do not see that - you do know there are others in Asia and around the world - like 87% of the planet is not the west and 82% is not China.
Actually there are no significant discounts given to either China or India - Russian budget would have issues not records if they had to sell low. Besides most Russian oil still goes to Europe - except now its blended in India.
Russian economy is doing great - its growth is predicted to be over 2% year over year, unemployment is under 4%, inflation is low. They are growing quite faster then rest of Europe. As someone remarked, Russia is running the very best war economy there ever was!
I have no idea how someone can look at this an think that Ukraine and west that clings to control can win. It is not 1960s anymore. BRICS passed G7 few years ago and by 2050 will be more than 2x as big. The world wants to be free - and part of this freedom seeking is to drop western control and so called "international order". They want to be free and want any order to be equal among all people.
Also how on Earth does anyone in the west think betting on Kiev regime run by pure blood Nazi is a good idea is beyond me. I know US loves to bet on the devil himself and did many times - but each time it backfired. Heck, US loans to Nazi Germany did not work out too well either. After all these episodes supporting clearly Nazi racial supremacy is lunacy. Clinging to control will not work any better that clinging to slavery worked for the south - time to move on with progress - pass on the torch to Asia - China. Of course falling empires never do it easily - lets hope US will not have to loose major conventional war in order to finally let go.
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@kyoungd Russian navy plays roughly same role today as it played in the beginning - that is its a missile platform. There is no other role for it. Well, it did in the beginning do some transport duties - but I hardly would point this out as major role.
US weapons aid is just acquisition of new equipment - so when comparing apples to apples you compare how much new equipment one got. Thus base maintenance etc. is not involved in this at all. It is pure gift of weapons. This is why it is like 5x of yearly budget for same equipment as Russia - easily. Ukraine pays salaries of troops from economic aid money it gets - i.e. the other 60+B it gets a year - that money pays for salaries. Do if you want to compare that - sure - this is what most pp would compare. For example, Soviets during WWII got a lot of aid such as trains and food - hardly military stuff - 10000 train cars and 1000 locomotives. If we compare total aid, its well over 120B per year. So well above current yearly Russian budget for military - even at war (!).
Russia did not just support Assad - they actively used their troops - ground forces as well. At one point they were loosing up to 100 people a month. They also did a lot of bombing runs. How many troops did US loose in direct fight with ISIS as part of support?
Regarding Afghanistan, lets compare apples to apples - US was there, Soviets were there. Soviets after 10 years or so left and their government, without any support, and against the Taliban supported by the US lasted almost 3 years. US was around 20 years in Afghanistan, fought against Taliban which were NOT supported by anyone and the government they formed lasted three weeks.... So do you really think US is so good at conventional wars? US totally failed to root out Afghan resistance. They did not even scratch it. They only controlled the capital and area around their bases - so much so for "control". Three weeks, based on local roads and country size is roughly how fast you can drive.
Ukraine gets EPIC support as no one got even close. "Afghanistan and Iraq received much greater Western support than the current situation in Ukraine. " not true. Both at the very top received less than HALF of the support Ukraine gets. Around 120B per year. And this is low ball figure - as a lot of aid is not really shown - for example, aid from Poland is frequently marked as "charity".
Regarding China / India / rest of the planet - this is not a war between Russia and Ukraine supported by the west - this is a war between Russia supported by non west and Ukraine supported by the west. China especially has vested interest in breaking western grip on power - but even India has interest in it as well. Do you really think anyone in say Europe cares about some territorial integrity of some UA? Nope. This is about control - they want to say they are in charge - the west is in charge, the western "rules" - you hear this a lot. This is why its in the best interest of non western world to break these rules - these rules are not for say India - they are for west..
In G7 only US matters and in BRICS only China - so what is your point? Sure they are friends as much as say Japan and US are - you do know Japan fought a war with US somewhat recently? Its not like G7 is all roses.
Polls show the world does not want not just US but any western influence. I.e. they do not want US to lead at all (come on, who would - crazy!) what would be next, survey of slaves that say they want their master to stay in power? Really? Really? People want to be free - and that means no leader. The main problem with rise of China is that it may become next US - and no one wants that. So far China shows nothing of the sorts - China is far easier to deal with than US - you can trade with China with no strings attached!
Fun fact, in China over 70% of people (around a billion) say they are best democracy in the world - only 6% say US is ;) More people in the world (just looking at China) say China is #1 world democracy than there are people in the west ;)
Ukraine is a Nazi state - having a Jew as president and I believe a PM is not an issue. You can have Israel with right leadership descend into Nazism - there is nothing in ideology saying that cannot be done. We had Nazism flare up in imperfect form in Africa.
Ukraine Nazi flag is red - black - its their equivalent of German Nazi swastika. Look at videos of Ukrainians on say CNN and you see it all over the place. Alternatively they use "black sun" or "runes" etc.
On their tanks they frequently now use German Nazi style double cross.
Their laws are carbon copy taken from 1930s Nazi Germany - for example, speaking Russian by official is a fine of 5000 Harvina. Russian books are banned. Ethnic Russians are to be expelled by force etc. History is changed and white washed - now Bandera (official Hero of Ukraine) is a nice guy that did not kill over a million....
You need to read more history to find out about Ukraine Nazi state and its current continuation. These guys make German Nazi look civilized.
How can anyone deny Ukraine Nazi links - what will be next, white washing SS and saying there were just some German nationalists fighting for freedom? Well, technically, there were German, they were nationalists and they were... fighting for their version of freedom. It is shameful that the west is supporting this evil.
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@kyoungd Why would Russian navy approach UA coast - to do what, wave? LOL!
There is no need for equipment maintenance right away for new stuff received - it is destroyed long before any maintenance costs are taken and these are paid by the west. Training is rudimentary. For trucks etc. there is almost no training needed or provided.
Americans do not loose 100s of people but do not win anything in return - see Afghanistan - Soviets lost a lot of people - but had great results. US lost few people but had terrible results. You go to war to win it - accept losses. US lost almost a trillion USD in Afghanistan. So what that for PR they did not have casualties? Maybe they should have lost 20k killed but had results - or never actually stayed. Clear win for Soviets / Russia.
Soviets loss in Afghanistan was not related to break up of Soviet Union later on. Costs were not even remotely high. The breakup was due to poor policies of Soviet leadership.
Let me re-iterate - the total aid as per google in year 1 of the war exceeded 120B. This includes money from US poppet states.
The war is between Russia - supported by non western countries and Ukraine supported by the west. China cares about Russia a lot. China cannot afford for Russia to loose. Come on, this is geo politics 101. Look at the envoy now traveling around EU and back to Moscow. China is getting ready to, in emergency, provide aid to Russia - if west oversteps read lines.
85% + 2% (Russia) did not sanction Russia - let that sink in. They all trade with Russia & are happy to break western dominance. China as well as everyone else in Asia knows that eventually they will need to go into full sanctions war with the west. Of course this will cost them as well so they are not to eager to go into the hot water. However, even countries such as Indonesia created their own payment system - they are getting ready.
Russia absolutely does not want to re-create Soviet Union - even Putin said that. LOL. Even trying to join Russia would be rejected. Heck, Putin flatly refused to get involved in little Tajikistan - Uzbekistan conflict ;) They had to both beg for weeks for Putin to send a single police battalion. Putin simply said they are independent now and need to take care of their own affairs ;)
EU is not a country.
I do not think that a lot of countries prefer US over China - I think if such survey was done China would be picked over US - if someone wanted a leader. China would get overwhelming support from places such as Africa or South America.
Yes, China is by far easier to deal with than US - by far! This is why a lot of smaller countries are signing documents of cooperation with China. Sure, China is throwing around a lot of influence etc. around - but not even close to what US is doing. Please, take a look at surveys about US - US is the most hated country on earth. With few exceptions world view of US is negative. US forces countries to do its bidding. They call it "free choice" - you are free to be poor or do as we say. With China you do not have to make such choice. With China you can trade without strings attached.
And do let me know who bombards city centers with dumb artillery every day and fires on hospitals - oh wait, its Ukraine. Who officially say they will cleanse millions of people? Who has laws of racial superiority? Putin said that Ukraine and Russia are very similar or even the same - no Nazi would say even something remotely close to that.
As for children - what will - children now have a will to stay in a war zone? Really? they were moved out of war zone and once parents were located they were returned to such parents or guardians. What is wrong with that - this is how things should be done. Protect the children and then return them to their parents.
As for adults - they moved to Russia freely - they can leave anytime - over 2 million people. No one is keeping them there against their will - why would they?
Of course I show you officials fined for speaking Russian - no links allowed so you need to google -
"Ukrainian authorities have fined the mayor of Kharkov, Igor Terekhov, nearly 100 euros for speaking Russian on television and managing his social networks in the same language, as he would have violated a law that places Ukrainian as the vehicular language throughout the state, even before the Russian invasion." from MSN
"Russian book ban in Ukraine" - from wikipedia
"Ukraine withdraws 19 million Russian, Soviet-era books from libraries" - reuters
"Tamila Tasheva, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's top representative for Crimea, told Ukraine's Radio NV that some 500,000 to 800,000 Russians are currently living illegally in Crimea, and could be forcibly deported in accordance with the norms of Ukrainian legislation and international law."
I can provide a LOT more links. You can google yourself as well. The Kiev link to Nazism is as clear as that of Germans. I live in area heavily populated by Ukrainians. They make around 20% of the population. This does not imply that Kiev regime is not Nazi in some way or form - their actions, statements etc. are clearly linked to Nazi as well as flags, symbols etc.
What are they supposed to do? Build concentration camps? I am sure you would also have a good explanation for that.
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@missJolie85 Sherpa is a race of people that frequently gets the credit for being only mountaineer guides out there - which is 100% false. One has to remember that Pakistani people are great in the mountains as well - as good as Nepali Sherpa people. Reason is, they live on the other side of the same mountain range. In fact, Karakorum is harder and more technical then Nepal Himalayan range.
Porters of course go above base camps - they have to go over passes and frequently do little mountains such as 6000m peaks that are "non-technical in nature". Main problem is that Karakorum is quite technical so this may not be common.
Pakistani guides are fully capable of fixing the ropes and I think in this case many rope fixing teams were in fact Pakistani - on a mountain you don't exactly ask someone for their ethnic background. A village in Pakistan, Shimshal claims to have the most mountaineers of any village in the world.
I also been to India, Pakistan and Nepal and thus I roughly know the pay structure b/c I actually paid these people. So, no, a Pakistani guide will not get a summit bonus that is less then Napali Sherpa - the bonus will be more based on service provided and possibly on fame of the guide, much less so on exact ethnic background.
It is claimed he was a high altitude porter and thus he has been caring loads up to 8000m - either that or someone is lying. People from these villages climb a lot and know the business very, very well. Many have whole families in guiding. Thus it is a totally wrong to say that he was clueless about being out there. Also, regarding equipment, his may be old etc. but it has to be up to spec needed as he simply would not get as far as he did. I know locals can go in flip flops up to around 5500m but no matter how strong your legs are you need proper gear on your feet to be at over 8000m.
Also rope setting team would not be cool with someone whom had really crap gear as it would effect their safety. He simply had a large jacket and pants which is totally acceptable gear.
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@pgr3290 javelin is an expensive missile system that is guided. Nlaw is modernised version of rpg7 type weapon. Nlaw is not guided at all, it just has a build in lead compensation. Sights on rpg7 can be the same ones as on Nlaw. Sights are removable as tube is one use only. Both have similar range, but to hit anything you need to be closer. Rpg7 penetration is similar to Nlaw or even better depending on what exact warhead you have mounted on it. You even have tandems for rpg7, for a long time. When engaging from the top with rpg7 you essentially have top attack weapon.
Main difference is in modernization, but it's not earth shattering. Rpg21 is yet another such weapon. Hence why such low price for disposable weapon system.
Finally major powers are fielding hard kill systems, Nlaw and javelin are already of little use against Israeli tanks in front line. You would need to simultaneously engage from multiple angles at the same time to overwhelm the system, or make it run out. Given automatic main gun adjustment to threat this seems like not a good idea for at least one AT team. Others, including Russia have these systems, by 2025 i am sure at least 500 tanks will be upgraded. Finally, as Israel has shown most of penetrations are not a big deal, if the even happen. We also know this from WWII.
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@HR_8035_YEA Oh, its a one party democracy, got it ;)
Russia at least has systemic opposition - so it is far more of a democracy then Ukraine.
Navalny as per west has support of around 2% of Russian population. I.e. he has less support then communists or extremists. Granted Russia is flowed democracy BUT Putin at least cares about popular opinion. In Ukraine all opposition (ALL) is in prison or exiled. In Russia you mostly quote Navalny - not everyone.
Yes, racism is at the heart of the conflict. Russian MIR is based on Soviet ideology which means it is supper opposed to racism. Its allergic to it more then Jews to pork. After all, you have now fights for Bahmut and Donetsk People Republic forces are liberating their city via Patric Lumumba street - dedicated to an African leader whom fought for the rights of black people against imperialistic colonialism.
Regarding your claim about Asians being used more then say people from Moscow, it is as true as same situation in US where people from poor neighborhoods, a lot of Black people are used as cannon fodder. I assume you mean US is very racist with this as well - the truth is that poor people want money and people in Moscow are not poor. Has zero to do with race :)
On the other hand Ukraine is a very racist country with strong Nazi overtones where racial superiority is a very important thing. After all, official hero of Ukraine, Bandera, demanded that any true Ukrainian has to have proof that ALL 4 grandparents hailed from Ukraine. Anyone else was to be killed or run out.
Thus we have all these Nazi units and hate for anything and anyone that is not Ukrainian. This is why Donbass people, with help from Russia, rose up against oppressive state & are now fighting for their freedom.
Why you are against people fighting for their freedom? Are you also against US gaining its freedom from UK?
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@Inhetmidden Actually I know both Russian, Ukrainian and Polish history very, very well. I would say better then most US history professors.
Stalin punished Crimean Tatars, or what was still left of them, after WWII, for collaboration with the Nazi (which was true) by sending them to Siberia / far east. Many did not come back.
I am not sure about what Stalin did to Ukrainians - but you are probably falsely claiming Holdomir. For your information, in Soviet Union, there was no notion of "racism" as "racism" was a NAZI thing, and Soviets were 180 degrees apart from Nazi. So if you happen to be Black and Soviet, you were good. If you were any color of the skin, nationality, etc. and happen not to be Soviet, then you went to Siberia to be "re-educated".
This the great famine was not directed against any particular "soviet" people and certainly not against Ukrainians that only in early 1930s in Poland were identified as something "non Russian". It was simply Soviet style mis management of resources. Since Ukraine today and in the past was heavily agricultural, it was heavily affected.
For you continued consideration, may I add that during that time, there was no hunger in Poland at all. Yet Ukrainian nationalist, later Nazi leader, Stephan Bandera still went ahead and killed as an assassin Polish minister.
Thus as you see, you are totally incorrect in your assumptions. Totally. Not even close. You do not realize, that if you made a joke about Stalin, it did not matter you were Ukrainian (if such thing was even seen to exist) or Russian (which everyone was) - you simply said hello to minimum of 5 years.
Please do not compare Bandera to Putin. This is very offensive. I am Polish. This is like comparing Hitler to Putin for the Jews and saying both killed & are the same.
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@Inhetmidden LOL, no.
Need to read more history.
Crimea is the traditional seat of despicable people known as Tatars of the Golden Horde. These pp main source of income was banditry - sort of similar to kossacks, but their target was both Polish Lithuania as well as Russia. Their source of income outside of some good was slaves. I.e. they captured slaves. One of these slaves was a woman from present day Ukraine that managed to go up so high in the rankings she ruled Ottoman empire (Turkey) for few years.
Anyways, the evil horde was finally defeated and driven out by Cathrine the great after in multiple wars she defeated Ottomans - I am sure you can see connection between the horde and Ottomans. This is why I said in my comment "these that were left" - not many were left as Cathrine make sure she though these little bastards how to swim (back to Ottomans). Cathrine btw was German.
This is why Tatars had "slight" dislike for the Russians.
You are totally over playing Holdomir - its nothing more then similar artifical hunger created by communism in China in great leap forward. Except in China it killed like 10x as many pp. No one is saying that Chinese great leap forward "targetted anyone" - why is that? The hunger in Russia was identical, from identical mistakes, and it was not aimed at anyone. Thus saying it was somehow anti X is totally false.
As to the killing - it was not done with a rifle - but with simple hunger. Also "higher classes in Moscow and Leningrad" is a joke, its a communism, everyone is equal. There was no real "higher" class - in fact the only class you can ever talk about is peasants and workers as being preferred. Sort of mini affirmative action. For example, when my dad went to university he marked that he had "peasant" upbringing so his chances to get in were better. Thus if anything, it was FAR better to be a peasant / worker then say an engineer, especially with aristocratic background. Also being poor was good.
This went so far that if you had (if I remember correctly) more then 2 horses in your farm you would say hello to Siberia for being rich. Or when Polish soldiers were captured during WWII by Soviets, one of the officers avoided Katyn b/c he was actively fixing the engine in the truck (an engineer). Soviets seen his dirty hands assumed he was worker.
You do not know even 1% of what did happen, why it did happen etc. It feels a lot of info you have is from propaganda sources, especially with constant play up of Holdomir.
As for locking pp up, you may take a look at Ukrainian laws which make what Putin did in Russia feel like Putin is a little mini dictator ;)
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@jimtakahashi4638 He made it into a comedy / show. People are getting tired of his show, beginning for more, not being grateful for what he got etc. He does not know how to run a country at all & was thus very weak before the war, resorting to arresting his rivals to stay in power. Then he made fatal mistake, to save his skin he started to be more and more friendly to nationalists. All good and all but this tied his hands completely. He simply is good at acting but gets way too easily out maneuvered in political waters.
I have enough intelligence for sure, but my writing skills are rather weak. This is the main obstacle to writing a book - you need to have some artistic flare and ability to write compelling book that would be interesting and fun to read. I do write a lot, but its mostly technical stuff, cut and dry, like cardboard, that people read when forced to, not b/c they want to read it.
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@kineahora8736 Oh and do let me know how 2014 elections were NOT FREE. Wait, how amazing it is that you pick some elections not others.
As for NAZI it is 100%. There are few hundred monuments to Bandera in the country, largest one is over 30m tall. He is official hero of Ukraine, by law. A lot of high ranking officials are Nazi - they wear uniforms with OUN symbols / colors.
This is NOT same as in other countries at all. Equivalent German example, would be 100s of monuments to Hitler, Hitler offical hero of Germany and many officials wearing Nazi symbols on their arm bands. Also don't forget books that would glorify Nazism and point out to racial superiority. Do you see that? I do not. Maybe you need eye exam.
Where is your source on Putin firing leaders? Maybe its from .... Ukraine? Or is it US? CNN claimed there was no military leader of the operation. For a month plus. Then it claimed they know whom he is, then he got fired etc. Come on, this is a joke.
As for Trump idiots they may be right wing - but they are not Nazi. You need to crack open history book and learn what Nazism is all about. It is a whole ideology. There is lots of there. Maybe they have a chapter about Ukraine, where Nazism, especially racial one, is more extreme then in WWII Germany (!!!) Yeah, Nuremberg laws were "soft". Also Trump idiots are republicans, for the most part, and thus would not like at all Nazism which is National *socialism*. Finally, I think it is clear to like 80% of Americans right now that Trump was far and wide better president then Biden. Which shows how terrible Biden is. I hope American people in November kick a lot of democrats out and republican majority force Biden / Kamala out for sheer incompetence.
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@Bwaffle7826 Have you ever been in the army?
Yes, they got the F u and then they all surrednered? Who believes this crap?
Of course there are no conscripts - you have proven your point precisely. Come on. If I was on UA border with my platoon and found out Ivan is actually a conscript and we are about to go into combat in say 1h I would kindly ask Ivan to sign contract or I like be very angry. I also would be wondering who the hell did not catch that before that Ivan is a conscript! But for now I would try to make him not one. Meanwhile in a different platoon Sergei is also a conscript but he sits quiet and does not tell anyone. He was recently transferred to the unit, same as Ivan, as replacement for a guy that was sick. No one bloody knew there will be war. But now it is.
And then there is bloody you whom points out these two and says - see - there are conscripts there! LOL!
You did not present single piece of evidence. None. Not from US source, from UA source or from any source of any kind that there are units with 1/3 combat strength that is standard conscript load. NONE. Not even one. What you presented is:
- a cook on a ship. One single known conscript among around 500 sailors. I would not be shocked if there were 2 of them.
- few captured guys, that all signed contract "under stress" - or maybe it was the fact they were captured stressful??? You do know we have multiple video evidence of executions of Russian POWs, don't you?
- a Russian law maker whom stated, based on no military source that there are 100 people that were conscripts but later they turned contract. Which actually makes it all legal, as they are no longer conscripts.
Again, what you have is maybe a cook. One cook. On a ship. That was a shocker to have been hit. If I was a commander of the ship and even knew a conscript was on board I would have ignored it, as what are the odds ;)
The rest are "forced" conscripts. Maybe couple actual conscripts - like Ivan and Sergei.
Again, where is your EVIDENCE??? Where??? Ukraine captured around 2000 Russians and allies. Where are Russian reports in Russia of missing conscripts? At least 7000 Russians died in this war so far (my estimate) this would imply well over 2000 plus DEAD, no missing, conscripts! But all you have is 1 cook! Are all 1999 just quiet?
Again, where is your evidence!
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@ddshiranui No we watched same videos you are just very easily swayed by propaganda and simply do not use logic. Let me fix that for you and use only facts, no "expert" opinions, no CNN just facts.
1. It took US weeks to get to Baghdad despite facing an army that lost a major war, was not supported by anyone and had no will to fight
2. It took US 6 weeks to take Falujah despite having 10:1 advantage and facing poorly armed and trained insurgents.
3. It took Russians also 6 weeks to take Mariupol, despite having only 3:1 advantage and facing the very best unit in Ukraine, Azov Nazi regiment.
4. Ukraine had the largest army wholly in Europe before the war started. They had the most tank, the best (!!!) air defenses (1 more battery of similar vintage AA then Germany (!))
5. Ukraine is / was supported by all of NATO. As well as few western countries. Poland alone spent billions in aid and sent more then half of their own T-72s it had in storage.
6. At first Ukraine received only hand held weapons. Then S-300 (that was destroyed in like 24h), Polish offer for MiG-29s was rejected as provocation. But now, about 10 days ago parts to MiG-29 were sent as well as whole aircraft. Every NATO country is sending heavy weapons, tanks, artillery, AA systems. US almost enacted 33B in extra aid (!!!) US spending on Ukraine this year, total will, including 33B approach 50B (go check it out).
7. Russia never had more then 100k in Ukraine, Ukrainian army is around 300k, most 97% in ground forces - air power is small, navy does not exist. Ukraine has mobilized and added another 200k. At least 100k of that is in extra brigades.
8. All countries in Europe, not just Germany, reacted by buying guns. Lots of guns.
9. Donbass militia is armed with ex Ukrainian stuff, their numbers are at most 70k, including Chechens.
Lets look at above facts and facts only. Compared to US I do not see Russian forces doing badly - in fact, they are doing great & much better then US forces did! This is comparing apples to apples. Facts only. We see small Russian force, mopping the floor with huge, western supported army. This reaction to Russian show of power - not a paper tiger - has forces the west to give everything they got. It also is forcing western countries to arm themselves much better.
Your conclusions that Russians have corruption issues etc. could be true - but then if a corrupt army can do what Russians can do I fear that not corrupt Russian army is made of Gods.
Conclusion is that Russian military capabilities were vastly under estimated. Look at facts and facts alone. This is why west though some RPGs will be enough ;)
But this is not all - EU also vastly miss calculated sanctions where Russia did their math well!
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