Comments by "iorekby" (@iorekby) on "Joe Rogan on Why Jiu-jItsu Guys Should Know Judo" video.

  1. Thats actually a great point. It's very common to see elite, Olympic level athletes at small local clubs.
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  2.  @k9m42  Dude that is just nonsense. This is simply more "grappling > everything else" ideology. I trained Judo for 6 years. A guy came in to class one day with a shiner, Turns out he got in to a row with a guy at a party and the guy clocked him before my buddy could react. And this guy was a 1st kyu at the time and had been doing Judo for a few years. Judo didn't help him from getting punched, Judo is great but its nowhere near as simple as saying "Judo beats boxing". It's not rock-paper-scissors. It's far more complicated than that.
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  3. That's completely variable to be honest. I travel for work and when I trained BJJ I visited about 25 gyms in that time. The level of takedown skills taught or used in each club was totally variable. Some of them were had okay Judo/Wreslting takedowns. Some of them had zero takedown ability and almost never trained it. In theory I agree with you, old school BJJ had these techniques in them. But with the modern obsession with competitions, and people favouring things like pulling guard, getting a BJJ school that shows you good takedowns can be harder than you think.
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  4.  @internetenjoyer1044  Yup. There was a BBC sports program and the presenter was an ex-international Rugby player. He weighed about 100kg. He was interviewing a Scottish Judoka, and she fought in the 52kg class. She decided to do some sparring with her, and he actually managed to put her down but it wasn't a "legal" takedown (he grabbed her go around the leg). And this was a dude with zero Judo training. Size and strength definitely matter in Judo. The people who win the Open weight category in Judo comps (no weight limit, for those not familiar with the concept) are almost always from the heaviest weight class.
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  5. Dave camarillo noted the same thing. He said its much easier to go from Judo To BJJ than from BJJ to Judo. Judo is always explosive, whereas BJJ can be explosive, but can often be more slow paced.
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  6.  @moonknight4659  Knees are usually some of the most serious injuries you see in Judo. Many Judo clubs are ACL graveyards.
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  7.  @raphaelgracia551  That is true. And you have to pray they are not a lot bigger and stronger than you lol! Big/Strong + good Judo technique = nightmare.
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  8.  Alkhazred1  Right but the point is surely a black belt, professional Judoka should have the advantage over someone with ZERO judo experience in a...Judo match?? Thats the point. And stop patronising people with your posts. People have obviously trained Judo before, we know there's fucking ground work in it. Just because you've discover something some of us have been doing for 15 years a few years ago doesn't mean you're Prometheus bringing the cavemen fire.
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  9. There are some great "tall person" take downs in Judo for sure! Uchi Mata being a fav of my old training partner (he was 6'3").
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  10. That's Dave Camarillo's approach too.
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  11.  @titomish5914  This sir, is exactly the level of response that comments like this deserve :)
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  12. That's the thing I hear a lot but lets be real: Judo teaches you to go to ground after a throw. They do this because maybe your throw doesn't get you an Ippon so you have to pin your opponent or sub them to get a win. Great strategy for the sport, but not great muscle memory for staying on your feet (which I agree should be the salient concern if you are fighting for your life).
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  13.  @Sprite_525  Exactly. Nations/cultures are all man made. It doesn't exist biologically.
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  14. If you've ever seen the "Eastern European" style of Judo, then it's worth pointing out that was from wrestlers who trained Judo in the off season in countries like Russia and Georgia and brought a wrestling style to Judo.
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  15. Judo is like wrestling, you always try to get and stay on top. One of the ways you can win a Judo match is by pinning your opponent for a set amount of time (think it's currently 25 seconds but IJF change it all the time). This means normally Judoka develop excellent pinning skills and generally have very good positional dominace on the ground.
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  16.  D core  Ippon can occur in 3 ways though: 1) Throwing someone flat on their back with force 2) Pinning them for a set amount of time 3) Tapping them out with a submission hold using certain chokes and armlocks For throwing, if you throw your opponent and their back does not hit the ground (say they land on their side or their front instead), you will get a Waza-ari (half an Ippon) or no score, depending on throw. Judoka are therefore encouraged to "follow through" with the throw and go to ground in order to secure a pin or submission in order to secure the win. Sometimes it isn't necessary, as the throw wins you the match, but you never assume and always follow through. Look at this quick compilation of Olympic Ippons throws, you will see in every case, despite the throw being good enough to win the match, they all follow through to the ground in case the ref doesn't call it and they need to pin the other guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczxGJcd1WQ
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  17. Totally disagree. I trained Judo for 6 years and I hate to break up the illusion but the harder someone with even a modicum of Judo experience fights, the harder it is to throw them. Its a painful, exhausting process of grip fighting and grip breaking, of moving someone who is fighting not to be moved. The last thing it is is easy. Unless they are pretty clueless.
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  18.  Alkhazred1  Right and I've been training since 2005. You're in a 1 in a million Judo class if that's true (if it even is a Judo class).   Watch this compilation from the best Judoka in the world throwing people....literally all of them GO TO GROUND after their throw in case the need to pin/sub to get an Ippon. It's the most basic strategy in Judo. Judo is taught as a sport in most places. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FczxGJcd1WQ It's complete nonsense that they don't teach this in Judo. Of course they do. I've trained or visited 20+ Judo classes in 3 continents in 7 countries, including Japan. EVERY single one of them teaches this. But I'm sure you can get in touch with Teddy Riner and tell him where he's going wrong 🙄
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  19.  Alkhazred1  It's not 0.1% though.... most everywhere trains Judo as a sport. Maybe a few places it's trained as a martial art, but anywhere else it's trained as a sport. Even people who do not compete get trained in randori. Uchikomi or Taichiwaza are not randori. It's like saying punching a bag is the same as fighting in a boxing match. It's obviously not. You have described training tools, not actual randori. And I'm willing to bet that the "competition" team in your School could wreck anyone of roughly the same size/experience in the non-competition class in.a fight outside the class.
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  20.  Alkhazred1  right but you need to understand your experience of your local club is not reflective of how Judo is taught across the world. It's treated like a sport in most other places, not a hobby where you can decide if you do or do not want to do randori.
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  21.  @escobarrich8753  Yup agree. Most Judo throws are throws of grand amplitude/over head throws, so the elevation is far higher and the impact is generally far heavier.
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  22.  @ricksterdrummer2170  Dude that doesn't help all that much. My old Judo coach was a 4th Dan, and had been doing Judo for 30+ years. He had beautiful break falls. He still had 3 ribs broken by getting smashed in to the floor at a masters tournament 2 years ago. Break falling is great while drilling and makes sparring/randori a bit safer, but you get thrown so fast it can be hard to react sometimes.I don't know a black belt in Judo that hasn't had some sort of serious injury.
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  23.  W. George  Yup these happen all the time. Got a few knees/elbows myself,
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  24. I like this because it shows a level of sense and self-awareness many of the other comments here lack. It's a bunch of Dwight Schrute and Ross Geller clones, who've never come close to a fight in real life, telling us what "works on da street". I doff my cap to you.
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  25.  @gingercore69  You also don't seem to be factoring in size, weight and strength differences. Here is an ex-international Rugby player who weighs about 100kg putting over an international Judoka who weighs about 57kg. Bear in mind too, the rugby player had no prior Judo training. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/scotland/23858135
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  26.  Alkhazred1  Rugby of course tackles, but his take down was not a "rugby tackle". It was more like an improvised ankle pick then driving while the Judoka was off balance. And so what? What you've basically just stated is "One clueless person pretty new to Judo threw another heavier clueless person who was also pretty new to Judo". Look at the Open weight classes by actual bonafide Judoka (Black belts)... They are always won by the Heavyweights. Always. No one who steps up from lighter weight classes wins. Put it this way: after all my years in Judo, I've learn that if a 160cm/ 60kg blackbelt in Judo gets in to a fight with a 210cm /125kg Longshoreman...it's not the Longshoreman who needs to be worried. Judo is a fun sport. But it has weight categories for a reason.
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  27. Rick Hawn was pretty good.
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  28.  @rz9018  well, Kano lifted some "traditional" Judo throws directly from wrestling as they didn't exist in Judo and they filled in gaps. Kata Guruma being a famous example.
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  29.  @levishepard3696  Yeah. Story went Kano was having trouble beating a bigger opponent, so he read some books on wrestling and found the fireman's carry, he started trying it out and was able to eventually catch the guy with it in randori (sparring). After that, it became part of the Kodokan canon.
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  30.  D core  I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt as you don;t seem to have studied Judo, but it's very rare for a Judo player to throw someone and not end up on the ground with them. Like the other dude said, it's encouraged as you may need to get an Ippon on the ground as the throw didn't work or score a full Ippon.
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  31.  D core  The point is you can also NOT win by throwing someone. Sometimes the throw might not work, it's not just as black and white as that. That's the point.
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  32. Its also worth noting that Judo was also partially derived from Western wrestling, as Kano was a fan of Western wrestling and included some wrestling moves in Judo, such as Kata Guruma.
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  33. In fairness, they allow a lot more techniques than Judo (such as leg locks). So its a bit more than just Judo ne-waza.
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  34. Cool story bro
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  35. Yeah definitely not the same. When I dead lift my body weight, the barbell isn't actively trying to move me in a different direction and resisting me with maximum effort. Lifting something that is dynamically moving, the same size as you, and does not want to be lifted makes it a whole lot harder.
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