Comments by "iorekby" (@iorekby) on "Andrew Doyle: The Media Misrepresented Brexit" video.

@leonardu6094 1) That the entirety of the UK media was pro remain (it wasn't) 2) That people mainly voted remain to virtue signal and to show "I'm not racist" (completely inaccurate)* * To expand on this point: There were lots of people who voted both remain and leave for a myriad of reasons. For example, I''m from Northern Ireland. Many people here were worried about the Irish border situation and security issues around paramilitaries. That's why most of us voted remain. Nothing to do with being "woke". Other people I know in GB who voted remain would often say the same thing: We don't know what exactly we're going to get if we leave the EU. Basically, better the devil you know... stability was more important than sovereignty. Again, sweet FA to do with anything about race. Same way as on the leave side there were a lot of different reasons people who voted to leave did so. Very few people I know who voted Leave had explicitly racist motives. The point is this glib overview, presented here, is a reductionist perspective on what was a complex issue. You just can't summarise it as "virtue signallers vs anti-establishment patriots" simply because it makes one group sound better. It was far more fine grained than that.
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@boboboborific Well said. It's clear to anyone who is objective the mainstream media in the UK was split on the issue. Some papers were rabidly pro Brexit. Andrew Doyle's premise is really fucking glib: People voted remain to be "woke" and show they weren't racist. What utter horsecrap. The Remain vote, as with the Leave vote, had lots of arguments which had nothing to do with race/wokeness. For example, I voted remain. I live in NI. There were practical issues we had here in NI the rest of the UK didn't have. For instance, you live in NI but work in the Irish Republic. How will Brexit change that? No one knew at the time of the referendum, so people took the pragmatic choice to maintain the status quo. Stability and job security were more important than sovereignty. Fuck all to do with virtue signalling or being led by the nose by that pesky mainstream media.
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Except that this guys assessment of Brexit is completely ridiculous. First the media was split; some were pro remain and some pro leave. Secondly, there was a hold host of complex reasons voted remain or leave. For example, I''m from Northern Ireland. Many people here were worried about the Irish border situation and security issues around paramilitaries. That's why most of us voted remain. Nothing to do with being "woke". Many people in Northern Ireland also work in the Irish Republic, and anything that would potentially make their lives more difficult in terms of getting back/forth to work (which no one was able to state at the time of the referendum) was also a big reason people in NI voted remain. Other people I know in GB who voted remain would often say the same thing: We don't know what exactly we're going to get if we leave the EU. Basically, better the devil you know... stability was more important than sovereignty. Again, sweet FA to do with anything about race. Same way as on the leave side there were a lot of different reasons people who voted to leave did so. Very few people I know who voted Leave had explicitly racist motives. The point is this glib overview, presented here, is a reductionist perspective on what was a complex issue. You just can't summarise it as "virtue signallers vs anti-establishment patriots" simply because it makes one group sound better. It was far more complex than that, and people had a lot of reasons for voting the way they did that had nothing to do with the media telling them they were/were not racist.
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@owenjones7517 It was a completly glib overview by Doyle. Here's why IMO: ) That the entirety of the UK media was pro remain (it wasn't) 2) That people mainly voted remain to virtue signal and to show "I'm not racist" (completely inaccurate)* * To expand on this point: There were lots of people who voted both remain and leave for a myriad of reasons. For example, I''m from Northern Ireland. Many people here were worried about the Irish border situation and security issues around paramilitaries. That's why most of us voted remain. Nothing to do with being "woke". Other people I know in GB who voted remain would often say the same thing: We don't know what exactly we're going to get if we leave the EU. Basically, better the devil you know... stability was more important than sovereignty. Again, sweet FA to do with anything about race. Same way as on the leave side there were a lot of different reasons people who voted to leave did so. Very few people I know who voted Leave had explicitly racist motives. The point is this asinine overview by Doyle, presented here, is a reductionist perspective on what was a complex issue. You just can't summarise it as "media backed virtue signallers vs anti-establishment patriots" simply because it makes one group sound better. It was far more fine grained than that.
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I've worked in the EU, the US and Kuwait. The EU is by far and away the least corporate place to work: It takes the side of the workers rather than the corporation. For example, the EU had a law stating an employer couldn't get you to work more than 48.5 hours a week unless your employer agreed to give you extra compensation. Again, hardly "pro corporate".
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@skillbopster TBF the British Empire doesn't get taught in schools because it's so divisive: To the "Rule Britannia" crowd they won't hear a negative thing against the BE, even though objectively the BE was responsible for some terrible and harmful things. On the other hand, the PC brigade don't want to hear about the positive effects of the BE had on a global scale. People get upset if you try and give an objective, balanced historical perspective on the Empire on both sides of the thing. It's simpler not to teach about it.
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Great Britain isn't a country sport. It hasn't achieved anything. The UK, on the other hand, is a country. They actually had a referendum....
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"Woke" has been appropriated by the left and right now and it's lost all meaning. To people on the right these days "Woke" means something you don't like. For example, someone was complaining on another JRE video about the Cats movie by saying "Get woke, go broke". I mean, how tf is Cats woke? It's just a terrible movie. Nothing woke about it, even using the peculiar definitions the left try and use.
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@roadent217 He implied it though. He stated the "mass media" was totally pro remain (it wasn't) and that by extension, people who voted remain were little more than virtue signalling. The guy was on JRE to talk about the negative effects of wokeness. In this context I think it's fairly clear what he was trying to suggest.
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It's a nonsense view and completely glib... The whole media was pro-remain? The Sun/Daily Mail/Telegraph weren't. People only voted remain to show they weren't racist? What utter BS. Let me clue you in: I live in NI. We have a land border with the Irish Republic. Many people in NI drive 30 minutes to work in the Irish Republic each day. Many people in NI have family who live in the Irish Republic. With the EU, we could come and go as we please. At the time of the Brexit vote, no one could tell us if leaving the EU would result in a harder border. No one knew. So, people in NI took the pragmatic view to vote remain as stability and something basic like being able to drive to your bloody job without any extra hassle every day was, y'know, kind've important to people here. I never once heard a remain voter saying "I voted remain. Look at me! See! I'm not racist!". It was more like "At least I can get to the office in Donegal without queuing at the border". The point is people voted remain (and leave) for a variety of reasons that had fuck all to do with wanting to not appear racist or being a racist, or being led by the nose of the big bad mainstream media. This was a completely asinine assessment from Doyle.
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@pippo-1073 The Sun, which was pro-leave, sells 1.26 million papers a day and 30+ million daily hits on it's website. I take your point about TV/Radio but still it's not like "print" media was ignored totally.
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