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  2. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  5. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  6. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  10. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  14. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  23. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  36. Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". In it, he takes hospitalization rates per total vaccinated (0.01%)and unvaccinated (0.89%) populations and compares it to a 3.4% "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (fatalities per confirmed cases) from a year and a half ago. The case fatality rate is constantly changing, is different for each country, and different for the world. He claimed he couldn't find a newer rate. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy managed not to. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 800k deaths is 1.6% of 50m confirmed cases, in the US. But, somehow Jimmy, or his team, couldn't. So, he compares these two sets of numbers, that are based on totally different math, to question whether covid deaths are being "WILDLY" inflated. You know, because a 3.4% "death rate" is so much higher than 0.9% hospitalization rate. The comparable "death rate" he should be using is the population mortality rate. 800k deaths is 0.24% of 330m total population. Again, something that's easy to find the latest numbers for, or figure out yourself, but the Dore knob team couldn't manage to do. There's nothing, at all, incompatible with a 0.24% total population mortality rate and a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate. But, he's using his false equivalency to make out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers, by over 10x.
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  39. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  43. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  46. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  57. It has been the Likud goal, for 100 years. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  79. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  94. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  99. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  109. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  112. His other video was called, "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". He cites a Gallup article, which very clearly states their hospitalization rates are based on the total population, 0.01% for the total vaccinated population, and 0.89% for the total unvaccinated population. Now, you'd think that maybe the unvaccinated being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the unvaccinated might be a big deal to talk about, but no. Jimmy claims to have looked for a comparable "death rate". The only comparable death rate, to total population hospitalization rates, is the covid crude mortality rate. That number is easy to find, all you have to do is take the deaths per million rate and move the decimal 4 spaces to the left, 0.27%. It's also easy to do the math yourself. Apparently, the crack Dore knob team wasn't capable of doing either. Instead, Jimmy says he couldn't find a "death rate" from the past year and a half, so uses one from a year and a half ago. The 3.4% he uses is clearly a case fatality rate, deaths per confirmed case. Aside from not being comparable to the total population hospitalization rates, a current case fatality rate is also easy to find, and also easy to work out the math yourself. Even using the wrong rate, the crack Dore knob team was too stupid to figure out the current one. So, he takes those incomparable rates, and since 3.4% is sooooo much higher than 0.89%, he makes out like covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated". He's either completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, or both.
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  139. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  174. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  183. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  188. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  209. MLK Jr did not simply criticize silence. He criticized trying to placate agitators, to silence a movement, telling them not to ruffle feathers. He criticized telling those rising up to calm down and sit down. Biden is exactly that ... "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ... and wants people without healthcare to sit their asses down, wants people not getting paid a living wage to sit their asses down, wants people facing racial injustice to sit their asses down, etc. Be patient. Unite behind doing nothing, or as little as possible, and be content to accept whatever you get. "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."
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  228. Ok Goebbels. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  262.  @robertreese1275  The grift is to sell yourself as something you're not. He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, for progressives. According to Jimmy, Trump being so bad, such a deranged fascist, a Trump presidency would lead to a massive progressive backlash that would "for sure" take the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (nope), rather than follow him into fascism (they did), and Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope). All of his predictions were wrong so, ultimately, promoting Trump over Clinton only benefited Trump. Promoting Trump over Clinton was also promoting tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, over adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. Then he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). Then he, again ... even after all his failed predictions ... even after Trump's incompetent leadership had a hand in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people ... he made out like Biden (public option + Medicare expansion) was worse than Trump (still trying to toss millions of poor Americans off of Medicaid expansion). Dore promoted the worst healthcare option, each time, and then tries passing himself off as the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a nonsense "plan" to have a performance art vote. He also abandoned Nina Turner (M4A), and now promotes never again voting for someone running as a Democrat. Going third party likely won't even get you a single seat in congress, in the next 5 decades, let alone get some kind of healthcare bill passed, in the next century. He uses slander, not "truth". AOC never ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. She ran on what her own concept of a "ruckus" is, not Jimmy's. She backed 20 pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, which actually moves you closer to ever being able to pass the bill, while a performance art vote doesn't actually do that. She has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. He made out like he didn't know where she was, on M4A march day, when it was public knowledge that she was at rallies for Nina Turner, promoting M4A and trying hard to add another M4A advocate to congress. Why weren't M4A marchers promoting and supporting Nina? Why did Dore promote abandoning Nina, on his show ... abandoning adding another M4A advocate to congress? Then, there's going on far right television, largely just to agree with far right talking points. There's promoting allying with far right ancap extremists, that are trying to start a civil war. How does Dore actually benefit the left? Almost everytime he proposes actions, they're actions that seem to benefit the right ... even extreme right ... no matter that he frames it as coming from the left. You're a sucker.
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  290.  @coryddp7254  Dore promoted Trump (who ran on ACA repeal) as the better option than Clinton (who ran on lowering Medicare to 55), not caring if millions on Medicaid expansion and with preexisting conditions could lose their healthcare, not caring to get millions more on Medicare. He thought Republicans would join the left to stop the Trump agenda, rather than joining him in overt fascism. He thought Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. During the 2020 primary he didn't back Bernie (M4A). During the general, he basically ran an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden (public option + lowering Medicare to 60), again not seeming to care if Trump won, not caring if millions lost their healthcare, not caring if Trump killed thousands more with incompetent covid response, and again not backing adding millions to Medicare. He didn't know how the speaker vote actually works. He promoted that 15 progressives should "withhold" their votes (he didn't say cast protest votes). 15 abstentions + 2 unfilled seats, would lower the threshold needed to win down to 210. If the 211 Republicans voted McCarthy, he'd win. He spouted strawman bullshit, as if AOC had campaigned on paralyzing the house, or even threatening to paralyze the house, when she didn't. He also promotes going third party. The Libertarian party is almost 50 without ever having won a seat in congress. Dore doesn't give a fuck about the reality that going third party won't get anyone healthcare, and could just split progressive voting enough to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades, destroying healthcare even more. He's an asshat, and doesn't actually give two shits about anyone else getting healthcare.
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  336. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  358.  @thinkoutsidethelines8265  The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. The third party route is the longest route to your destination, next to teaming up with looney far right extremists that want to start a civil war, and would start shooting leftists once you help them overthrow the government. The broader progressive caucus is about 30 years old and is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems have been at it for about 4 years and have helped replace about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years, and has helped replace a few more. It's clearly the better strategy, even if you think it needs better progressive candidates. It's not like going third party is guaranteed to produce perfectly perfect incorruptible puritan progressive candidates. The Green party produced Kyrsten Sinema, ffs. Even if we imagine that you magically got a third party so popular, that every single member of the progressive caucus belonged to that party, instead of the Democrat party. What you'd have is Trump as president, due to vote splitting between Biden and Bernie in the general. You'd have Pence as the senate tie breaking vote. And, you'd have a Republican plurality, in the house, that would only have to work with a handful of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted. They could completely ignore your third party. They wouldn't need your votes on anything. Taking over the Dem party is not only the more effective strategy, it gives you more power. If the progressive caucus can become the majority of Dems, they can pick the party speaker candidate, they can set the party agenda. If also the majority not the house, that speaker could assign committee seats, put forward whatever bills they wanted, and sideline whatever bills they didn't want. Third party is a fantasy. Dore is a grifter, who says he's for one thing, but then takes people down a direction that's never going to get you that thing.
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  368.  @JoKo203  I know that Dore knobs don't grasp the words like "gaslighting" and "blackmail", but do you also not grasp the word "grifter"? Obviously, the grifter would claim to be for certain things, but the way they propose obtaining those things doesn't actually get you those things. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justive Dems are 4 years old and have filled about a dozen seats. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped fill a few more seats. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. In what reality would going third party get you what you want, quicker? Even if you magically got the third party popular enough to get all the progressive votes, in the next 100 years, you'd split the Dem votes and let Republicans rule, for decades to come, after that. Trump, and Republicans, have been trying to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion. They, literally, want to go in reverse. That moves you further away from ever getting M4A. The directions Dore often proposes going move you further away from getting the things he claims he supports. That's the grift. The grifter promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), for months. Then he did an about face, and made out like not supporting a secondary tactic for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, on M4A, was enough to slander other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and whatnot. Obviously, supporting a non-M4A candidate is worse than not supporting a secondary tactic, and moves votes away from the M4A candidate. Slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, and getting people to follow some fantasy, moves you further away from ever getting M4A. Then, after making out like simply disagreeing over a single secondary tactic, was enough to no longer consider other progressives allies, then did another about face, and promoted allying with psycho far right ancap Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, and agree on next to nothing, aside from a handful of anti-authoritarian issues ... including disagreeing on M4A, which they want no part of. M4A and ancap are incompatible. Allying with loons, like that, is how "leftists" wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. Who does he think they're going to be shooting, in their civil war? Ancap is all about private ownership. They'll be shooting any leftist that want public ownership. ...
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  431.  @gudmundursturluson7683  Wtf does needing to be in congress have to do with Dore promoting Trump as the better option, and encouraging viewers to vote in such a way that could only benefit Trump? You seem to have reading comprehension problems. Are you arguing zero voters actually listen to Jimmy, that he has zero influence? Jimmy predicted a Trump presidency would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He predicted that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following Trump into all out fascism (wrong). In the debate where Sam stomped Jimmy, Dore claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He got everything wrong. What was he right about, regarding "Russiagate"? The investigation didn't rely on the Steele dossier, that he blathers about. Mueller still indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies. The report provided some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and said it didn't indict Jr and Kushner for criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. What's Jimmy's take? That the DNC, the FBI (run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), the Republican lead investigator, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to make Pence president, or something? Rofl. What makes Fauci a "pathological" liar? "etc etc"? You didn't even give one good example to "etc etc" after.
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  481.  @michaelknight2897  Like the 80s? Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia, and still do, or try to, and have never had a problem with using the law, or military, to do it. There's still a government agency protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. It has only been 6 years since the Supreme Court uncancelled gay marriage across the country. Right wingers, including corporate Dems, have passed anti-bds laws. You lot have lost your marbles. Giant corporations, run by centibillionaires, aren't even left wing. The left would like to tax the living hell out of them They're being protected by the right. Giving giant corporations so much power, in the first place, was right wing. There being no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property is a long-standing part of private property ownership, which is right wing. If you don't have a right to be on their private property, then you don't have a right to be on their private property spewing whatever nonsense you want. They're the equivalent to private clubs, with memberships, and rules for membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships since always. If Trump kept walking into the ladies change room at a golf club, got tons of warnings that the average person wouldn't get, and finally lost his membership, that would be totally his own fault. If you actually want free speech rights on social media, I'm pretty sure the left will back you on public ownership. Let's do it.
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  554.  @Evirthewarrior  No he's not. Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. All the directions Dore has proposed going, since 2016, actually get you no closer to, or further away from, M4A and socialism. Intentionally skipping all pro vaccine content in articles, and only focusing on the negatives, is intentionally portraying vaccines in a more negative light. Dishonestly comparing total population hospitalization rates to a year and a half old case fatality rate, to portray covid deaths as "WILDLY inflated", promotes that covid is far less deadly than it actually is, and that vaccines aren't as necessary as people think. Lying about an article on children and covid, and outright being against vaccinating children, is blatantly anti-vax for children. Making out like there's some big pharma conspiracy, regarding vaccines given out for free and prices negotiated by government (representing a tiny sliver of what M4A would be like) is both anti-vax (making out like it's a pure profit motive) and anti-M4A. He also not only dishonestly promoted that an unproven drug is an effective remedy, but also that it's an effective preventative, which promotes a false alternative to vaccines. Between that, and being fine with Rogan's $2000+ "kitchen sink", Dore is promoting more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, alternatives. Dore has harped on vaccine side effects, like tinnitus and myocarditis, while, like Rogan, ignoring that covid causes those far more often (myocarditis over 6x more, tinnitus thousands of times more). He and Max misrepresented what was going on with the UK healthcare system (a completely socialized system, even left of M4A) and vaccines for kids, promoting a negative light on both vaccines and socialized healthcare. He's a grifter, ffs. People have to be complete and utter morons, to not see it, by now. Or, are his numerous far right fans.
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  583. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. 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  649. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  688. Call them out for what, exactly? AOC actually voted against the individual state department appropriation bill and voted against the individual defense appropriation bill. What morons, like Jackson, apparently want her to do is then vote against the entire budget, which includes healthcare, education, housing, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc. She also voted against the final version of the Capitol Hill police bill. Dore knobs don't seem to know that it was heavily amended, in the senate, and sent back for a second house vote. That state department appropriation bill she voted against is what includes the annual offensive military aid to Israel. So what, if she didn't vote against a purely defensive system? She didn't vote for it, either, and it was a blowout vote. Her vote made no difference. Progressives have a bill to put conditions on the offensive military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. They've been calling it out as an apartheid. Get a grip on reality and complain about the 400+ house members who voted for it, ffs. So what, if they didn't force a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote on M4A? The $15, dimwit Jackson was complaining they weren't getting a vote on, already did get a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. What have Dore knobs done with two precious lists of no voters? Just keep bitching and complaining about those who voted for it, like pathetic useless hypocrites. And, learn some basic math skills. There are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives, which means it's impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. There is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of Manchin. Bring enough Republicans on board and you can easily pass bills without needing squad votes. The squad only have leverage if a bill is "must pass", to Manchin. If he doesn't care if a bill will die ... zero leverage. If he amends a bill to the right, to bring enough Republicans on board ... zero leverage. Which bill has been "must pass", to Manchin, which he couldn't get Republicans on board for?
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  719.  @heidibenner1577  Action is AOC and Bernie on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the most important thing, when getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. AOC also helped add a few more in the general election. A 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Publicly abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... as Dore did, doesn't get you closer to being able to pass the bill. Sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill and, if you let Republicans win, or let a corporate Dem win back a progressive seat, could actually move you further away. Promoting Tulsi M4A is unAmerican Gabbard over Bernie doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill ... in fact, voting against having an M4A president is actually the opposite. Trashing government negotiated under $20 prices on vaccines that are given out for free (a tiny taste of what M4A would be like) as some "big pharma" conspiracy, and spreading a general fear of the government, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Having your buddy Max on, so the two of you can misrepresent the UK's completely socialized healthcare system, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. All the "action" Dore promotes gets you no closer, or even further away from, ever passing the bill. He's a grifter, who pretends he's selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
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  737.  @chestervirgil7968  The $15 passed the house in the covid relief bill, dimwit. It got an actual vote, and passed the house. It didn't pass the senate, then went back to the house for a second vote. It was after that, that Bernie tried to get it in reconciliation. If the house hadn't passed the senate bill that was sent back, do you even know what happens next? It goes to house-senate negotiation, where the squad can try and pull in zero extra votes by making concessions to the zero members of congress to the left of them, and Manchin can try and pull in extra votes by making concessions to the 50 senators and 212 house members to the right of the party. In a standoff, a bill will most likely move right, not left. That is all besides the point that Dore is a pathetic useless hypocrite, who did nothing with the optics of voting against raising the minimum during a pandemic and nothing with the list of no voters. He just keeps whining, bitching about, and slandering, those who voted for it. AOC endorsed Nina in March, you dishonest douchebag. She then campaigned for her in the final stretch. Meanwhile, Dore was slandering AOC, claiming she had abandoned M4A, while she was actively trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It was him who had publicly abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. While he was stupidly wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was at Nina rallies. Oh my, Dore's comment section must have been in an uproar over Dore abandoning Nina and slandering AOC and Bernie, who was also campaigning with Nina. Was it? Did you all call him out as a lying grifter? Dore, and his knobs, benefit the far right. That's just a fact.
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  786.  @Gee-xb7rt  Yeah. The fact that she actually opposed lowercase "l" right libertarians (ancappers), and argued that there needed to be a government, with minimal services ... "the police, the armed forces, the law courts" ... leads to her defeating herself. She just asserts that everyone would voluntarily pay taxes for those "necessities", so it wouldn't be involuntary taxes. But, we see, all the time, that people would love to not fund the police, the military, and probably wouldn't want to fund racist or bigoted courts, especially ones that constantly side with the rich, or the prison system, if they had the option. Definitely not some universal truth, that everyone would voluntarily fund those things. The rich would, and would use it to oppress the poor, is what would likely happen ... like calling in the military to bust strikes, or whatnot, like the good ol' days. That's why those things are a "necessity", in her mind ... to protect people with property and wealth. I might argue that capitalism can exist without a "government", but likely not without some kind of force, unless everyone is magically voluntarily following the same belief system. Feudalism, and absolute monarchies, are less "governments" and are more a form of governance, like a major company. They're private property owners, with their hired private armies, enforcing whatever rules they want on their private property, and charging people whatever they want for the use of their property, resources, etc. I don't consider privately owned and operated "governments" to be real governments.
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  814.  @Addamo  Dore has been slandering people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promotes the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, peddling some fantasy where third parties are incorruptible and will only produce perfectly perfect candidates ... you know, like Kyrsten Sinema. He did, in fact, promote Tulsi over Bernie, which you're just lying about. He didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, did support the "medicare choice" candidate over the M4A candidate, and then turned around and made himself out to be the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a stupid way to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. He argued that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, vastly overestimating the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house and senate in 2018 (wrong) and the presidency in 2020 (wrong), and vastly underestimating the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong). If he's not a grifter, then he's a complete and utter moron. Either way, he benefits the far right more than the left.
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  849.  @shanabell8603  Jimmy has had a video, since the Shaun video, about covid deaths. In it, he starts with vaccinated and unvaccinated hospitalization rates, 0.01% and 0.89%, that are based on the total vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, which is clearly stated in the Gallup article he cites. Jimmy instead uses the numbers as if they're based on only the infected population, and immediately makes out like the hospitalization rates are crazy low. He then compares those hospitalization rates to a "death rate" that is obviously a year and a half old case fatality rate, 3.4%. Then ... you know, since 3.4% is so much higher than 0.9% ... he makes out like covid deaths have been "WILDLY inflated". If you're using total population hospitalization rates, then the "death rate" you want is the covid crude mortality rate, which is about 0.25%. There's nothing incompatible with 0.9% and 0.25%. Jimmy was falsely making out like hospitalization rates were much lower than they actually are, for those infected, and that people were being lied to about death rates, all of which panders to the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, who have been claiming covid is no worse than a cold or flu. Plus, he basically completely ignores that he has just shown numbers indicating that the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the vaccinated. Either Jimmy didn't read the Gallup article, himself, to know what kind of hospitalization rates he was using, or he's a complete and utter moron who, himself, decided to use the incorrect "death rate" ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't find a "death rate" that's newer than a year and a half old (case fatality rates change constantly) ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't do the simple math to find out the latest case fatality rate, or crude mortality rate, himself. He's either completely ignorant or completely dishonest. Take your pick.
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  851. Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  865.  @edwardrosser938  That wasn't Dore's argument for Trump over Clinton. He argued Trump was far worse. His claim was that a Trump presidency would cause a massive progressive backlash, exactly because he was so much worse. He claimed it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump presidency (wrong) rather than follow him into fascism (wrong). In his debate with Sam over it, he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about everything. The very basis of his argument, that things had to get worse to have a bigger progressive movement, wasn't based on any kind of reality. Bernie had just created a progressive movement right after an Obama presidency. “In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016 Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11 used the war on terrorism as grounds. She was always a grifter, and Jimmy grifter for her. He spent months backing a public option candidate against the M4A candidate, then turned around and made out like not supporting some secondary tactic to get a performance art vote, was the end all and be all, slandering anyone who didn't jump onboard as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts". All those labels should apply to him, for outright going against the M4A candidate. Yes, he and his wife publicly announced they had stopped donating to Nina, and then promoted never supporting anyone running as a Democrat ever again. The Trump presidency actually hurt Bernie's progressive movement. People went screaming into Joe Biden's "more electable" arms. They didn't want to risk having Trump around another term. It did the opposite of what Dore fantasized. Jimmy is a fringe "progressive". He represents only a few hundred thousand people that voted for Tulsi, and Green party, in the last election. The vast majority of progressives vote for, and support, all the progressives he keeps trashing. His audience has become more and more packed with right wing loons.
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  926.  @ZooomaCW  You can't "demonstrate" anything, if you don't provide any evidence to support your case. Without it, you're just blathering. The "they" would be Trump and over 100 Republican members of congress trying to overthrow the democratic process, based on bullshit. The "they" would be the 28% of Republican voters surveyed stating they didn't want Trump to concede under any circumstances. The "they" would be the right wing media that have had to backtrack due to defamation lawsuit threats, and the psycho lawyers being sued for defamation, for spouting bullshit. And, yes, the "they" would also include those who physically tried to stop the process by storming the Capitol after they were incited by being fed said bullshit for weeks. Rofl. Trump outright fires people who don't tow the party line, or state truths that don't match his lies. He has called for voters to cancel Republican politicians who didn't support his lies. He wanted to cancel funding to states and cities that didn't do as he said. He has called for plenty of other people to be fired, as well, from reporters to athletes. He convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any election officials, any politicians (even Republicans), if they contradicted him. He totally just convinced a ton of people to cancel FOX for not being psycho enough anymore. Gaetz just held a cancel Liz Cheney rally. What rock do you live under? You also seem to have reading comprehension problems, and misunderstood wanting a dictator and dictatorship, as meaning currently is a dictator and dictatorship. The dictatorship part would be after you've kept the unelected ruler in power, and thrown the democratic process out the window. Yeah, no, that doesn't equate to fascism. "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism" ~ Mussolini The complete opposite of the Marxian ideal of stateless non-authoritarian democratic socialism, is an ultra-nationalistic authoritarian undemocratic crony capitalism. Which box do Republicans, who take the extra step of trying to end the democratic process, still need to fill?
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  940.  @BlazingOwnager  Republicans are banning things that aren't even taught in public schools. They're banning abortions and putting bounties on people who get abortions. Calling for the death penalty for getting an abortion. They're banning taking safety measures against a deadly virus. They're banning bds. They're making it more difficult and dangerous to protest. They're making it more difficult to vote. Their leader outright called to overthrow the democratic process to keep himself on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican lawmakers tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep him on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican voters believe the lies that led some of them to try and violently overthrow the democratic process. They defend police that kill their own citizens at hundreds of times the rate of numerous other developed countries. They defend having the largest prison population in the world. They defend charging, and convicting, certain people at higher rates, for similar crimes. They defend sentencing certain people for longer periods of time, for similar crimes. Etc. Etc. Etc. All of which uses government power. And, you're whining about some on the left using public pressure? It's, literally, akin to something ancappers actually promote, leaving bad Yelp reviews to fight racism, sexism, bigotry, and other forms of discrimination, instead of using the government. Give me a break. If you have to ""walk on eggshells" to not say something racist, or whatnot, then the problem is you.
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  980.  @guiagaston7273  Jimmy outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, which only benefits Trump. He peddled Tulsi over Bernie, outright working against Bernie and M4A. He ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden, which only benefits Trump. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddles a third party fantasy, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promoted never voting for anyone running as a Dem ever again, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddled allying with "extreme free market" psycho Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, overthrow the government, and have society run on pure capitalism. He goes on white nationalist television just to largely agree with right wing talking points, which only benefits right wing propaganda tv, and their audience. Government negotiated prices on vaccines, and then giving them out for free, is a tiny taste of universal healthcare. Dore and Max also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system. Dore has also peddled more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, vaccine alternatives. Dore pandering to anti-vaxxers is also anti-universal healthcare. Like all grifters, he claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful (Trump was running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, ffs).
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  989. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they'll be able to pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda, for the house. If also the majority of the house, that speaker could also pick committee seats, pick which bills to introduce, pick which bills to not introduce, etc. In an alternate reality, where the progressive caucus was an entirely different party, what you'd have is a Trump presidency (due to vote splitting between Dem voters and progressives), Pence as the senate tie breaker, and a Republican plurality in the house. Republicans would only have to work with a few of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted, and could completely ignore the progressive party, altogether. There is more power in getting 15 more seats within the Democratic party, than getting 115 seats outside the Democratic party. Plus, the reality is that most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Also, the "vote blue" strategy works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries tend to turn around and vote for them in the generals. Any hope of Bernie actually winning a general election, if he got through the primary, would have rested entirely upon those who voted against him turning around and voting for him. If you split the voters, you'd pretty much be handing any tight districts, and the presidency, to Republicans, for decades to come.
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  1024. @Packster Mosk Life is force. Nobody gets to choose to be born, let alone choose to be born in a specific geographic region, with a specific economic system. Life then forces you to find food, water, and shelter, or die. But the natural state of affairs, was that nobody owned anything. You're the one creating the artificial state, where property is privately owned. And, if all the property that is currently publicly owned by governments were also privately owned, I'd be forced to make money to pay someone else to own my property or to rent property, pay someone else for building materials, pay someone else for water, pay someone else for food, pay someone else for electricity, etc., or rot on the streets and die. With that, comes most people being forced to make that money by working for someone else. All those someones would have some power over my life, my ability to survive, and could set the prices for what I need to survive, and set the wage I get to try and survive on. History has shown that large landowners, and major business owners, often treat their renters and employees like shit. Sure, people have risen up and chopped off the heads of large landowners. Sure, workers have risen up in massive strikes and riots. You can blather about them using "force", but they were already being forced to work for next to nothing, barely being able to pay for all their costs. Making out like they freely entered into agreements with their employers and landlords, when the other option was to "freely" rot and die, is absolutely moronic.
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  1078.  @MiguelCruz-oz7km  Most of his Dore knob talking points were also bullshit, as is usually the case. There's a difference between voting for the budget and voting for the state department appropriation bill. AOC voted against the appropriation bill. A vote against the budget is also a vote against Medicaid, Medicare, education, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. She also voted against the military appropriation bill. These departments have their own individual budget request bills, before the budget vote. Haven't run across a Dore knob, yet, that knows the Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate, nor that she voted against it, on the final house vote. The guy didn't even seem to know that the $15 got a vote already. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Instead of doing something with the two precious lists of no voters, they just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it. While Dore was claiming AOC had abandoned M4A, she was literally on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding yes votes to congress gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. Forcing a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, in the last election. Some of those were in purple districts, and the progressive got absolutely creamed in the primaries, but the more conservative Dem managed to win the district. This midterm election is a whole other animal, and it's going to be a helluva fight to hang on to those purple district seats. Any leverage the guy thinks progressives have, rests entirely on Democrats being in the majority, and yet he sees no benefit in her helping to retain that majority. They'd prefer seeing Republicans become the majority. They just look for any little thing to attack progressives over, while not seeming to care if fascists, that tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep Dumpty on as an unelected dictator, regain power. They're the kind of "leftists" that wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives, when their psycho extreme right allies no longer consider them useful.
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  1114.  @alabamaman9476  Top 20 cities, 12 in red states ... 1. St. Louis, Missouri > Murder rate: 88.1 per 100,000 people 2. Petersburg, Virginia > Murder rate: 76.9 per 100,000 people 3. Pine Bluff, Arkansas > Murder rate: 56.5 per 100,000 people 4. New Orleans, Louisiana > Murder rate: 51.0 per 100,000 people 5. Saginaw, Michigan > Murder rate: 50.2 per 100,000 people 6. Detroit, Michigan > Murder rate: 49.7 per 100,000 people 7. Trenton, New Jersey > Murder rate: 48.2 per 100,000 people 8. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Murder rate: 46.7 per 100,000 people 9. Baton Rouge, Louisiana > Murder rate: 46.5 per 100,000 people 10. Flint, Michigan > Murder rate: 46.4 per 100,000 people 11. Riviera Beach, Florida > Murder rate: 44.7 per 100,000 people 12. Memphis, Tennessee > Murder rate: 44.4 13. Wilmington, Delaware > Murder rate: 44.2 per 100,000 people 14. Cleveland, Ohio > Murder rate: 42.2 per 100,000 people 15. Alexandria, Louisiana > Murder rate: 41.3 per 100,000 people 16. Monroe, Louisiana > Murder rate: 40.3 per 100,000 people 17. Shreveport, Louisiana > Murder rate: 37.2 per 100,000 people 18. Portsmouth, Virginia > Murder rate: 36.1 per 100,000 people 19. Kansas City, Missouri > Murder rate: 35.2 per 100,000 people 20. Dayton, Ohio > Murder rate: 32.8 per 100,000 people Top 20 states, 12 red states ... Louisiana 12.8 Maryland 10.4 Alabama 9.6 Mississippi 9 Arizona 9 Tennessee 8.3 Arkansas 8 South Carolina 7.9 New Mexico 7.9 Nevada 7.8 North Carolina 7.6 Missouri 7.3 Georgia 7.1 Michigan 6.9 California 6.9 Illinois 6.8 Delaware 6.6 Texas 6.5 Virginia 6.4 Pennsylvania 6.3
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  1140.  @roberttelford745  The progressives who backed Bernie and M4A during the last primaries, instead of Tulsi and a public option. The progressives who helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, which gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. The progressives who were just trying help add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned. The progressives who did vote against the stand alone rearming Israel bill, and introduced bills to put conditions on aid to Israel. You Dore knob dimwits wanted them to vote against the entire foreign aid budget, that included aid to Palestinians, as well as non military aid around the world? And what is it with your stupid obsession with Syria? There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, on top of the numerous UN investigations that had zero dissenting opinions, since 2013, plus tons of other human rights violations. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. The investigation you dimwits keep blathering about didn't even start until after the US, and others, were already bombing Syria, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year later, plus it didn't even assign blame as per Russian security council demands. It wasn't used as grounds for the bombing, ffs. You're being played by a grifter, Dore knob.
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  1159.  Bryzz Lull   Ummm, you should read a history book, or two. There was no American founding in the 16th century. Jamestown wasn't even settled until 1607, the beginning of the 17th century. Plymouth was settled in 1620. Then came waves of Puritans, who basically created a theocracy. They enslaved or killed natives that didn't convert. They banished, persecuted, or killed other Christians who didn't conform, including Quakers. They banished, persecuted, or killed non-Christians. They killed people for "witchcraft". They forced church attendance. They forced a dress code. They outlawed PDAs. Etc. There was no liberty, at all. By the time the later 18th century rolled around, when the 1775 revolution occurred, British parliamentarians had already fought three civil wars against royalists, and chopped off a king's head, over a hundred years earlier. They had also already enacted a number of bills outlining subject rights (petition of right, habeas corpus act, and bill of rights), during that time, as well. What American revolutionaries originally wanted was the same rights and freedoms as those in the motherland, where those things had already existed for over a century. British common law was so much better than colonial laws at protecting individual rights, slavery couldn't survive it. When Americans created their own constitution and bill of rights, they used the British one as a model. But, their rights didn't protect everyone's liberty, and they still conserved chattel slavery, and only managed to get rid of it by fighting a bloody civil war against those willing to kill and die to conserve it forever, decades after the British Empire had abolished it in all the other colonies it still owned, and everyone said okay, without a fight. Those millions of freed American slaves, and their descendants, were still stripped of rights, discriminated against, persecuted, and even killed, for another hundred years, before the US came up with a civil rights act, after a great struggle against those trying to conserve those lack of rights, that finally protected everyone. Americans are actually a slow bunch, when it comes to freedoms, compared to many other countries, due to so many of them trying to conserve the exact opposite of liberty. They are not at the forefront, at all. America "created" so much, for so many, because it had a ton of open land (well, once the natives were cleared out), and people were given free land ... government handouts. This also happened in Canada and Australia, both of which rank better than the US on the freedom index, on the happiness index, on quality of life, on healthcare, on education, etc., etc. Conservatives do not believe in smaller government. They love a big military and expanded policing, both of which are expanding government. Conservatives do not believe in a free market, and work towards helping monopolies, all the time, as well as support corporate welfare. So, all you basically said was ... conservatives believe in pure bullshit and propaganda.
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  1218.  @A_Derpy_NINJA  Do you even know what a "grift" is? Sure, he says stuff, but the whole point is that he's selling himself as something he's not. In 2016, Dore promoted Trump (platform: kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He also promoted the idea that Stein had a shot. If he convinced even a single swing state voter not to bother going out to vote against Trump, or to vote Stein, then he helped Trump win. For the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). If he convinced even a single person not to vote Bernie, then he helped Bernie lose. Then, he spent the general running a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, again trying to help Trump win. A disagreement over a performance art vote was enough for him to portray other progressives as enemies, and then he turns around and promotes allying with far right nutty ancap Boogaloos, that want a civil war. That's the kind of idiot move that lands you on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. He goes on Tucker mainly to agree with him. He abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress. He, again, is promoting third party fantasies, to draw off progressive votes, and hand power to Republicans, just as the broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, to try and get people to lose confidence in them. He, at least, benefits the right more than the left.
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  1219. ​@velvet1865 The Hindutva founder wasn't even religious. He redefined what it meant to be "Hindu". His definition did not include Muslims, Christians, or Jews. "As World War II become imminent, Savarkar had initially advocated a policy of neutralism centered on India's geostrategic equations but his rhetoric grew coarser with time and he expressed consistent support for Hitler's policy about Jews.[107][108] In a speech on 14 October, it was suggested that Hitler's ways be adopted for dealing with Indian Muslims.[107] On 11 December, he characterized the Jews as a communal force.[107] Next March, Savarkar would welcome Germany's revival of Aryan culture, their glorification of Swastika, and the "crusade" against Aryan enemies — it was hoped that German victory would finally invigorate the Hindus of India.[107] On 5 August 1939, Savarkar highlighted how a common strand of "thought, religion, language, and culture" was essential to nationality thus preventing the Germans and Jews from being considerable as one nation.[107] By the year end, he was directly equating the Muslims of India with German Jews — in the words of Chetan Bhatt, both were suspected of harboring extra-national loyalties and became illegitimate presences in an organic nation.[107][108][109] These speeches circulated in German newspapers with Nazi Germany even allotting a point-of-contact person for engaging with Savarkar, who was making sincere efforts to forge a working relationship with the Nazis. Eventually, Savarkar would be gifted with a copy of Mein Kampf.[107]"
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  1401. In all its previous forms, it has always been Revisionist Zionsim's goal to colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, and more. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1421.  @investmotivation1014  Don't you know the definition of the word "grift"? Dore says he's for things like that, but the directions he proposes taking don't get you any closer to getting them, or even take you in the opposite direction. How does sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, get you M4A in the next century? How does a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote get you any closer to getting M4A? When adding M4A yes votes to congress is the very thing that gets you closer to ever being able to pass it, how does slandering those like Justice Dems and AOC, who have added yes votes to congress, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? When you publicly abandon Nina Turner ... abandon adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promote never voting for someone running as a Dem ever again, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is literally peddling someone against the M4A candidate, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is trashing government negotiated vaccine prices, for vaccines that are then given out for free (a tiny slice of what M4A would be), not mean you're fighting against M4A? How is misrepresenting and attacking the completely socialized UK healthcare system, not mean you're fighting against socialized healthcare? How is peddling more expensive, privately paid for, alternatives, not promoting the opposite of M4A? How is peddling Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion), as the better option, not going outright backwards? What has Jimmy proposed doing, since 2016, that actually gets you closer to getting M4A?
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  1449.  @mellow_badger8585  Rofl. Tucker had pro Assange segments going back a year before Dore was on, you dimwitted Dore knob. He didn't move Tucker's position on anything. Dore went on, agreed with Tucker that it was problematic that Dumpty had been banned from social media, and using the bullshit first amendment argument. There's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. A leftist should be pointing that out, and pointing out the way to get free speech rights is through public ownership. Someone whose not sucking on Tucker's far right white nationalist balls, might also point out that things like inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech anyway. He played right along with the right wing framing of "cancel culture", not pointing out that conservative religious folks have been cancelling things and people for millennia, still do, and often even use the government to do it, not just public pressure. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Jimmy threw Tucker and his audience the off topic bone that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham. Then, he finally got to Assange, who Tucker didn't show any indication of disagreeing with Jimmy on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't a right/left issue, in the least. The issue isn't common ground, dingleberry. The issue is priorities. Right wing morons care more about bullshit, like CRT that isn't even taught in K-12, than they do about getting themselves healthcare. If they prioritized healthcare, they wouldn't be right wingers. An "extreme free market" Boogaloo psycho, that wants to start a civil war, isn't going to vote for the same people you are, just because you both agree an a handful of anti-authoritarian issues. They'll be shooting you, if you try and implement M4A, after you help them bring down the government.
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  1509.  @gnubbiersh647  Harris argued it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. Meaning, if you subjectively define "well being", and subjectively set that as your goal, then science can help you reach that goal. Or, for example, if you set reaching the moon as your subjective goal, then science can help you achieve that goal, and everything you do then objectively gets you closer to achieving that goal, or it doesn't. What people didn't believe was that science could itself set the goal, so that the goal was objective. By saying he wanted to prove that wrong, Sam had to show that the goal, "well being", is itself objective, to give us something beyond what he already acknowledged was a given. He argued all concepts of morality are about "well being". If that is actually the case, that would mean they all have different concepts of "well being" (a Christian's, for example, would be measured not by how healthy and happy you are, but instead measured by how closely you are following God's will, so your soul can have ultimate happiness in the afterlife). Sam set aside their beliefs in an afterlife, or any other concepts, and began arguing as if there was only one concept of "well being" ... his ... and that it is only measured by his standards. He had basically defeated himself, at this point, and is exactly at what he said was a given, at the outset. He also tried to support his concept, by arguing morality is only about sentient creatures, and that we don't value the "well being" of rocks. Problem there is ... we do. If we deem that a structure or sculpture, made of rocks, has historical value, we consider it immoral to harm or destroy it. Same with any rocks deemed to have artistic value. We also deem some environments to have value, including any rocks within, and provide them protection. We also deem many shiny rocks to have value, and some people will kill each other over them, considering that value to be worth more than another human being's life. He also made out like that also applies to lesser life forms, and yet some people's concept of morality includes all life forms. He didn't provide any real "objective" demarcation line. Are cows, pigs, and chickens, below the line? Most people's concepts of morality okay slaughtering them. Plenty of people think the world would be better off without humans. Plenty value certain animals over other human beings. Hedonists value simply fulfilling your desires. All these concepts of morals and values aren't samesies. Even ignoring that many concepts of "well being" include an afterlife, the various moral concepts aren't all using the exact same concept of "well being", that Sam puts forward, for this life. He goes completely deranged, and argues that an objective fact can change. He gives as an example, the distance of the Earth to the Sun. The problem there is that he's leaving out that any measurement to the Sun would be made at an exact moment in time. It will forever be true that, at that exact moment in time, we were exactly that distance from the Sun. If something is truly an objective fact, it will always be true. To support his "moral landscape" argument, he provides chess, as an "analogy". He claims it is a game of "perfect objectivity", where a move is objectively better or worse. No. Someone subjectively decided to create a game, subjectively decided on the board, the pieces, how those pieces would move, and how to win (back to what he said was already a given at the start). People have also subjectively come up with alternate rules. People have subjectively come up with alternate boards (3D Star Trek chess). Chess, and any game with rules, is more akin to laws, than morality. Once you've subjectively decided something is a rule/law, then you are objectively following the rule/law, or you aren't. Sometimes we decide laws are themselves immoral, and change them. Even when you're within the game, with the rules in place, nothing says it's wrong to maybe let your kid beat you once in a while. If that's your subjective goal, then what is "objectively" a better or worse move could become completely flipped, and there'd be nothing wrong with that, even though it would appear to be an "objectively" horrible move, by Sam's singular (and subjective) way to measure things. He also tries using healthy vs unhealthy, as an analogy to moral vs immoral. The problem there is that healthy/unhealthy don't include oughts. Eating a Big Mac might be unhealthy, but there's nothing really saying it's wrong to do something unhealthy (unless maybe it forces something unhealthy on others, against their will). Technically, skydiving increases your odds of dying, or being injured. So? People do it for kicks. Being healthy, or unhealthy, depends totally on your own subjectivity. If you subjectively want to be healthy, only then you ought not do X. If you subjectively don't care about being healthy, then you ought to do X, if you want. This is nothing like morality. We don't say go ahead and randomly kill someone, if you want. We'll call it "immoral", but that no longer means it's behavior/actions you ought not do. Sam paraded around like a peacock, making out like he was a genius, making out like Hume wasn't all that, and that he was the one to have finally filled, or dodged, the is/ought gap .... Nope. He is a complete and utter moron, who never got beyond what he said was a given, from the outset, and was just too stupid to see it. He had filled the gap with subjectivity, just like everyone before him. He also showed his limited grasp on objectivity vs subjectivity, when fear mongering about AI. He didn't take the angle that people would be able to greatly misuse it (as is possible). No, he took the Terminator angle, that it would rise up against us! Except, it doesn't matter how "intelligent" a computer is, there's zero indication that one can set its own subjective goals. That's because they care about nothing. Any goals one has, has been programmed in. An AI would be following at least one human's goals. A super intelligent computer, knowing a lot of facts (objectivity), would still make none of its own decisions (subjectivity), because it just doesn't care about outcomes. Humans have to program in all the decision making. They might give it a little room to learn the most efficient route, between point A and point B, for example, but once it learns the most efficient route, that's the one it will stick with. It will never, in a billion years, decide to take the scenic route, all on its own, because it just doesn't care. It feels nothing, good or bad, when "seeing" things. Sam has been taking sci-fi way too seriously.
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  1525. The only "claim" that Zionism had to this specific land, was based on a fairy tale book. After living relatively peacefully in Muslim countries for 1300 years ... being given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile ... the Ottoman Empire even okaying the earliest form of Zionsim, which was more like immigration ... Zionist religious extremism, the switch to colonialism, changed everything. Jewish extremists believe in the OT/Tanakh, which is the worst book in the trilogy, by many miles. India represents almost the entirety of the Hindu world. It ranks lower than Saudi, for the treatment of women. And, now there are Hindutva fascists, running the country, persecuting Sikhs, Muslims, and Christians. Christian nuts, in Africa, actually campaigned against wearing protection, even telling people that condoms cause AIDS, as tens of millions of people died. Plus, there are plenty of other Christian extremists around. Europe and North America no longer represents the majority of the Christian world. The majority is represented by Central/South America, Africa, and Asia. The US likes to say "Mexican cartel", but there are some you could also describe as a "Christian cartel", that worship a saint of death, and chop off more body parts than ISIS did. Christian Brazil is also the deadliest place on the planet, to be gay. They also challenge Buddhist Thailand for the child sex tourism capital of the world. Psycho Buddhist monks have also been doing very bad things. Most suck pretty bad, if you actually take a hard look, and don't just focus on the one you've already predetermined is the worst. Ancestral spirit worship doesn't seem too fanatic.
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  1560. AOC had donated to a number of progressives in conservative districts, in the last election. A bunch got creamed in the primaries, but a more conservative Dem did manage to win the district. The midterms are a totally different animal, and there will be a helluva fight to just try and hang on to their majority. Purple districts will be the hardest ones to try and hang on to. Dore knobs just don't care if Republicans get the majority, and don't care if progressives have even less power being in a minority party. Hell, they don't even care if progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, for the next century. I've yet to run across a Dore knob that actually knows what was in the final version of the Capitol police bill, and what AOC's final vote was. All the first house vote actually did was send it to the senate, to have the shit amended out of it, just to be sent back to the house. AOC voted against it, when it came back. Her vote was irrelevant, because it had been amended enough to Republicans' liking to bring them onboard. The $15 did get a vote. It even passed the house, and got a senate vote. There's an ever so precious list of no voters. Weren't Dore knobs making out like they were going to do big things, with a list of no voters on an important policy? How come all they've done with this one is bitch about those who got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it? The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, before anyone else amended it, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. It's wording he used repeatedly. That wording implied abstaining, which would have given the speakership to McCarthy. Jimmy incorrectly thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, because he thought you outright needed 218 votes to win. Drone strikes have dropped to almost nothing. Shouldn't Dore knobs be praising Biden, for that? They are such all or nothing puritan dimwits.
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  1590.  @secularsocialist  As a Dore knob, you should know that Dore himself argues to not just listen to people's words. A grifter will claim to be selling you one thing, but is actually selling you something completely different. Just pointing at things he claims to be for, isn't evidence of anything. What directions does he actually propose taking? On Rogan's show, Dore not only dishonestly peddled Ivermectin as a proven effective remedy, he peddled the further dishonesty that it's a proven effective preventative. The average price of a bottle of 20 Ivermectin pills is $100. If you take 1 a month, as a preventative, that's worth 3+ shots a year, if you take 1 a week, that's worth like 15 shots a year, and it's paid for out of pocket instead of free from the government. He also seemed fine with Rogan's $2000+ out of pocket "kitchen sink", as an alternative to getting the vaccine. He, and Max, also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system, while pandering to anti-vaxxers, making it also anti-socialized healthcare pandering. His anti-vax schtick has also been anti-socialized healthcare, and pro handing "big pharma" even more money out of pocket. Everyone at FOX is vaxxed. Being vaxxed doesn't mean you can't peddle anti-vax propaganda. He has been caught peddling misinformation, multiple times. If I spend hours telling people that skydiving is really really really dangerous, and then wrap the conversation up by saying you should try it. That wasn't a pro-skydiving conversation, dimwit. You're lying. He has a video called "Hillary Presidency Worse For Progressives & America Than Trump". That's just the reverse wording of Trump is better than Clinton. He outright peddled Trump as the better option. Tulsi was never to the left of Bernie on anything. He just didn't do his homework. “In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016 Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11, has used the war on terror as justification. You're the one lying. Dore's Boogaloo buddy clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market". Jimmy was fine with that, and promoted allying with that. Jimmy is the kind of "leftist" that winds up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. I didn't criticize simply going on FOX, dimwit. Dore went on and agreed with Tucker's right wing framing of free speech and Trump being tossed off of social media. Dore, and Glenn, generally take the right wing framing. They don't point out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. They don't point out that, if you want free speech, then public ownership is the way to get it. They don't point out that inciting an insurrection isn't even protected speech in public. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Dore threw in the off topic bone that he considered the first impeachment bogus, to help cast a shadow on the second impeachment. Then, he finally got to Assange, but plenty of right wingers like WikiLeaks, and Tucker has some pro Assange videos going back to a year before Dore was even on. Even that wasn't even a left wing issue. "Pressuring" and slandering are two different things. Dore slanders those who have been helping to add M4A yes votes to congress. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Pelosi has already reintroduced M4A again, this session (she also did last session), and it's sitting in committees again. Dore should be pressuring those currently sitting on the bill, instead of those who have co-signed it, and have been increasing the congressional vote count. Pretty much every direction Dore peddles benefits corporate Dems, or Republicans. At best, a third party gets you less than 400k voters and you're sitting in an irrelevant party. At worst, you convince enough progressives to split off their votes, to hand seats back to corporate Dems, or Republicans. All for some fantasy, that your perfectly perfect puritan progressive party won't produce another Kyrsten Sinema. You're bending so far backwards, to defend a grifter, that your head is up your ass.
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  1637.  @davidhughes4089  A big part of covid numbers has to do with the initial outbreak. Unfortunately, Boris didn't take things seriously enough, right out of the gate. There's a strong correlation between trace testing rates (tests per confirmed case) and covid spread. The UK's testing rate was even lower than the US' pathetic rate, early on. Both countries were testing 5 or less people per confirmed case, for months. Italy, Spain, and France, weren't much better, testing under 10 people per confirmed case. All of them had a pretty bad 2020. Once the cats were out of the bag, it was hard to try and gain control, and get ahead of the virus. Canada and Germany got up to 15+ fairly quickly. Denmark, Norway, and Finland, got up to 20+. They all had medium results. Canada's covid deaths per million rate, for example, would translate into 54k total UK covid deaths, instead of 150k, and would translate into about 250k total US covid deaths, instead of 850k. Countries like S Korea, Vietnam, Australia, and New Zealand, got their testing rates up to over 50 people per confirmed case, early on. They all had excellent results. Australia's deaths per million rate would translate into about 6k total UK covid deaths, and about 36k total US covid deaths. You just can't get ahead of the virus spread, testing only 5 people per confirmed case. If the infected person has been in the vicinity of 50 people, before testing positive, and you only test 5 of those people, then you only have a 10% chance of finding who they infected. If you aren't actively looking for asymptomatic carriers, then they'll just keep spreading it wildly. The UK is now up to almost 29, ahead of Canada at 22. Germany has dropped to 13. Australia is up to 71. New Zealand and others are testing in the hundreds per confirmed case. The US is up to 13, but things are so politically divided, you know that's going to be a lot higher with some people and a lot lower with others, who are just letting it spread now, and who are even legislating to oppose attempts to contain the virus anymore.
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  1666. ​ @barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  1689. What are you talking about? They've always criticized Bibi. And, the problem is bigger than just Bibi. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1731.  @loverainthunder  The dynamics of power is that, on bills, there are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives. That makes it absolutely impossible to pass bills without the likes of Manchin. On the flip side, there is the entire Republican party to the right of Manchin, to try and draw extra votes from. If enough Republicans can be brought onboard a bill, then you can pass it without needing progressive votes. A standoff between the left end and right end, of the party, is far more likely to move a bill even further right, rather than left. With regard to the speakership vote, the house hasn't been paralyzed over a speakership vote in about a century. It's not some business as usual tactic. Starting an all out intra party war could have consequences. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they could pick the party speaker candidate, at the Dem caucus. If there's an all out war, with corporate Dems, then they'll likely do the same thing right back at you, and you'll need them, and their votes, more than they need you, and your votes, to be able to pass anything. Okay, you've started a war, for what, exactly? A purely performance art vote. You get a new list of names of congress members that won't sign onto the bill every new session of congress. You have a list of names of politicians who wouldn't sign on, during a pandemic, for 2020. You have a list of names of congress members who haven't signed on, during a pandemic, for 2021. Surely, Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring every single one of the members of congress who haven't signed on, and organizing protests against them ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic. Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees. She has also already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it's sitting in committees. So, on top of the first two lists, you also have a list of committee members, who let the bill die, during a pandemic, and a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill, during a pandemic. This ... this must be the group of people Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring, and organizing protests against, to get them to take up the bill ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic. Dore is a grifter. What he actually promotes is having progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, handing the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and letting Republicans rule for decades to come.
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  1732.  @loverainthunder  People were pretty freaking energized to get rid of Trump. People like Dore promoted the idea of letting Trump win ... that he was a better option for progressives than Clinton. He had a fantasy that it would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following him into outright fascism (wrong). He claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). Letting Trump win was stupid. If those are the only two viable options, still get your asses out and vote the conservative Dem as a vote for that being the worst you want the country to go, instead of letting things get even worse under Republicans. Letting Trump win actually sent voters screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms. It hurt the progressive movement. Bernie started a movement immediately after an Obama presidency. The very premise of the argument, that you need to go backwards to go forwards is idiotic, and has no basis in reality. Going backwards, with Republicans, has shifted the country further and further right. If progressives actually want to move forward, then they should energetically vote to not go backwards, even if the primary doesn't go our way. Progressive candidates, themselves, are highly reliant on "vote blue". If they win the primary, the vast majority of Dems who voted against them in those primaries, will turn around and vote for them in the general. Any hope of Bernie becoming president, rested entirely on all Dems voting for him, in the general. We do need a blue team, that may not be entirely comprised of perfectly perfect puritan progressives, for things to go the progressives' way. I get being jaded, and disappointed, but stop the cycle of madness, and keep f*cking Republicans out of power, forever. They've gone completely bat shit crazy fascist, ffs. Trying to completely overthrow, and end, the democratic process, is the last box that needed checking, to move them from being undemocratic to anti-democratic. Worry about getting even more of them out of office, worry about getting more conservative Dems out of office, before flipping out on, abandoning, and wanting to replace, progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. You don't think AOC used what little leverage she had effectively, so be it. But the reality is still that she helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, in just 2 years. That's more than any third party has done in 50 years. That is going against the DNC candidates. Recently backing Nina was AOC still going against the DNC candidate. That's not the "status quo". And, that is infinitely better than going outright backwards, with Republicans. Get a grip on reality and focus the jaded anger where it should be. This getting angriest with those most aligned to your own views, is nonsensical. Slandering the vast majority of progressives, and the vast majority of progressive voters who vote for them, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and writing them all off as no longer allies, because of some stupid secondary tactic, is lunacy. Getting so jaded and angry, because you didn't get your way, and not voting, or casting a useless vote, and letting Republicans back in power ... THAT is the "status quo". That is what has been happening for decades. All the covid misinformation is even more dangerous lunacy. Jimmy should be shut down, at this point. He is now making money off of encouraging people to die.
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  1734.  @scoogsy  Harris agreed it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. If I want to go to the moon, science can tell me if something I do objectively moves me closer or further from that goal. Likewise, if you insert your own subjective idea of "well being" as your subjective goal, then science can also help achieve that goal. If Harris doesn't provide anything that gets you beyond that given, then he completely failed at showing how science can tell us what our goal should be ... a purely objective goal. He failed. He defeated his own hierarchy nonsense in a seperate article, where he fearmongers about AI that is as advanced beyond us as we are to ants. If his hierarchy was actually objective, then he should be arguing that we should do whatever the AI wants, that it has objectively more value than us, as we supposedly have objectively more value than ants. He then claims that all moral systems are about the "well being" of conscious creatures. If that's the case, then there are as many concepts of "well being" as there are concepts of moral systems. But, Harris moves on as if there is a singular concept of "well being" ... his own subjective one ... by which he can then "scientifically" judge all other moral systems. He can't seem to make an analogous analogy to save his life: Chess is a game with rules. It's not analogous to morality. It's analogous to laws (rules). Laws may be a reflection of a society's current morals, but they aren't themselves morality. People can come along and argue a law is itself immoral, just like they can come along and change game rules, if they want, and play a new way. "Healthy" and "unhealthy" don't include oughts. "Moral", on the other hand, is how we ought to behave, and "immoral" is how we ought not behave. He seems to be totally clueless as to what "poisoning" actually is, claiming some totally objective difference between "poison" and "food". "Poisoning" is simply too much of something in your system. We eat cyanide in apples. We can get poisoned from too much water. Most "poisonings" are overdoses of medications that are supposed to make us healthier. Harris failed, and never provided anything beyond what he agreed was already a given. He also failed at some pretty basic philosophy.
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  1824.  @anticom6099  No. I didn't say the books alone are the problem. I said they have a problem with the books. You're the one trying to pretend that they don't actually have a problem with the books, that it's only the books in combination with the teacher manuals that they have a problem with. It's you that's trying to make out like, if the teacher manuals weren't involved, they wouldn't have a problem with the books, when there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books. The fact they they include "Anti-Mexican" in their complaint, because one of the books also shows examples of racism directed towards Mexicans, is another indicator they have a problem with the books. It's also an indicator that they're dishonest, because they're arguing the examples of racism towards black Americans is instead Anti-White, not Anti-Black. Examples of racism directed towards Mexicans should likewise be Anti-White, rather than Anti-Mexican. Anti-racism can only be Anti-White, if you're arguing white people are all racists. Is that what you're arguing? Is that what you're claiming the teachers' are saying? They don't teach that there were any white Americans involved in fighting against slavery, fighting to end segregation, or whatnot? That would be weird, if that were the case. But I highly doubt that is the case. How the f*ck is being against government authoritarianism itself authoritarianism? Have antifa stormed the Capitol to try and overthrow the democratic process, and install themselves an unelected dictator, or something? You're basically arguing American revolutionists were themselves authoritarians, just by fighting against authoritarianism. That's moronic. You're turning much of history into "fascism".
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  1827.  @anticom6099  No. They clearly state that they have a problem with the books and the manuals. They have a problem with the books. They have a problem with the manuals. Take away the books, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the manuals. Take away the manuals, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books. You're the one clearly inventing a position for them, straight from your imagination. Rofl, did you go to PragerU, where they teach John Brown and Lincoln were bad guys, or something? Oh, and now you've gone and protected your own unsupported claim with another unsupported claim. There seem to be plenty of online lesson plans, and curriculum outlines, about abolitionists, Lincoln, and the Civil War. I think it's you, who should be the one showing the some teachers are teaching that emancipation came about with zero white people involved. Umm, it was a British colony, and they were British subjects, at the time, dimwit. They were fighting against their own Empire's police/military and their own government (including attacking people in positions filled by their own neighbors), and the Loyalists most definitely lived on the same land they did. You're nothing but projection, clearly being the one inventing a position for the complaining "moms", and clearly being the one reinventing history. How is a system that has police killing citens at 50x the rate of the UK, 150x the rate of Japan, an immeasurable hundreds of times more than the rate of Denmark, not authoritarian? US citizens are only killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing citizens at 50-hundreds times more than they are. How is imprisoning more of the population than any other country in the world, including all the dictatorships, not authoritarian? Again ... when was it antifa stormed the Capitol to try and install their leader as an unelected dictator? Rofl. I like the way you say "over our republic". The R in USSR stands for Republics. The R in PRC stands for Republic. The important part is the US being a representative democracy, not being a republic. Basically every country that's not a monarchy is a republic. It's moron Republicans who constantly argue for a more undemocratic society, now even arguing for a completely anti-democratic society. Right wing loons: Communism/socialism never succeeds! Also right wing loons: China is killing us economically! Give it a rest, dimwit. If you think you sound any different than a million other right wing nutters, you're wrong. And, you're proving to be just as ignorant as the rest of them, as well.
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  1828.  @anticom6099  Nope. What is explicitly stated is that they have a problem with books and manuals. You have only provided evidence that you have severe reading comprehension problems and a vivid imagination. Nothing you blathered changes the absolute fact that they were British subjects, living in a British colony ... a colony, btw, that had recently needed protection during the French-Indian War. They were fighting against their own King, not someone else's King. They were fighting against their own parliament, not someone else's. They were fighting their own police/military, not someone else's. Their neighbors were amongst those in appointed positions. Their neighbors were the Loyalists. There are loyalists whose ancestry traces to the Mayflower, and even before the Mayflower. You saying their was a clear difference is just you providing more evidence that you are a complete ignoramus. Oh geez, now you're bringing out the evidence that you're an absolute loon. So, you believe that the most racist states ... where the majority voted against abolitionists and voted for slavery, for decades, where the majority voted for secessionists, where the majority was willing to kill and die for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings (which is what their new constitution was largely about) ... states where the majority (from both parties) then continued to vote for Jim Crow and segregationists for another hundred years, states where folks were perfectly fine with lynchings and the KKK ... just magically up and became the least racist voters, now representing the least racist states, voting for the least racist party, almost overnight. Rofl! The fact that all the Republicans, in those states, also voted against Civil Rights, indicated Republicans were just as racist, in those states. The fact that the Democrat president created the bill ... the fact that the majority of Democrats passed the bill ... didn't, at all, push all those racists in those more racist states to start simply voting for the racist Republican candidates instead of the racist Democrat candidates, from their racist states? Nope, they just magically stopped being racists, according to lunatic right wingers, like you. And the vast majority of the millions of black Americans ... who left those more racist states during the great migration, and moved to those less racist states, and started voting for those Northern Democrats (which represented the majority of Democrats that voted for Civil Rights, just like Northern Republicans did), and have become a significant percentage of Democrat representatives ... must be completely clueless as to which party is more racist. By your own standards, you've provided evidence you're a racist, by portraying black Americans as violent and stupid. Red states, where it tends to be easier to get a gun, actually tend to have both higher firearm mortality rates and higher homicide rates. The per capita gun violence capital of the US is St Louis Missouri, not Chicago. Chicago, the place right wingers keep blathering about, isn't even top 10. Don't pretend like you care if people shoot each other, as you're providing them the environment it's easiest to get a gun in. US civilians are killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing civilians at over 50x the rate of those countries. That's just a fact. US police are the most violent gang on the streets. Rofl!! Aaaaand, now you've provided evidence you're a cultists. There is zero evidence the election was rigged, you nutbar. Did you ask Santa for a JFK Jr, for Christmas? No. Trying to save lives is not the dictionary definition of "fascism". And, yes, it saves lives. Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 26k total US covid deaths, instead of 826k. 75-90% of those dying are unvaccinated. The hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 89x that of the vaccinated. Smoking has been pretty much banned indoors everywhere. Smokers have to pay higher insurance rates. Smokers have to pay extra taxes. Every single state already has vaccine mandates for public school kids. The federal government already has vaccine mandates for the military and immigrants. That's the kind of thing you're whining and crying about. Literally, NOT the definition of fascism, but instead health and safety measures, the likes of which have been around for over a century. At this rate, there will be about a million fewer Republican voters, by 2024, due purely to stupidity. Dumpty was doing business in China, he leases property to the bank of China, he sold Ivanka's condo to a Chinese lobbyist ... Mitch is married into a family that runs a Chinese company, that buys government made boats, that gets government loans, and that has another daughter on the board at the bank of China ... Republicans are kissing plenty of China ass. Dumpty did no real damage to China, but he did do some significant damage to American farmers. Good thing Trump was still able to have wealth redistributed to those according to their need, from those according to their ability, and help those farmers out, considering it's such a terrible philosophy, that will soon fail. Yes, I did rebut your plainly bullshit statement by calling it bullshit. That's the only rebuttal a bullshit strawman deserves. Just the fact that you think overemphasizing anti-racism could possibly be the "most racist", when you've got states that still have Confederate "Heroes" Days, when you've got hate crimes rising, when you've got unite the right rallies with people marching with Confederate and Nazi flags, anti-Semitic tiki torch marchers, a "leader" telling citizens (even ones born in the US) to go back where they came from, a "leader" that likes to reminisce about the good ol' civil rights era when you could beat protesters, when you've got PragerU making out like slavery was good, when you've got Tucker peddling replacement propaganda, etc., etc., etc. You: But, but, but ... that teacher pointed out there was racism one too many times! They are the most racist!!!!!!!!! F*ck off, with that bullshit. You don't know what "evidence" means. The only evidence you've provided is evidence that you're an ignorant, idiotic, lunatic, death cultist, that's living in some alternate reality.
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  1852.  @whyamimrpink78  A surge in demand can cause inflation, which happens when you reopen. Your argument against Biden is incoherent, if you actually wanted Trump to provide more covid relief, as well. The house had already passed two different HEROES Acts. All the senate had to do was vote either through. McConnell didn't even allow a vote on either. You're spewing nonsense. Countries with much better pandemic responses also tended to have better economies, and it wasn't because they did nothing and simply stayed open no matter what. Almost all of the best response countries quickly had very high testing rates (tests per confirmed case), testing 50+ people pcc. The mediocre response countries, were testing 15+ people pcc. The US, on the other hand, had a pathetic covid testing rate, testing about 5 people pcc, for months, that Trump did nothing about. The US had pathetic mask use, encouraged by Trump. If things were getting out of control, in some areas, and more severe measures were taken, Trump encouraged defying them. Nothing you blathered about states, or your politician anecdotes, was an actual argument that they had better economies or better health responses. Just a big nothingburger. Nope. There's no evidence ows actually sped up the development of vaccines. Again, the first one out of the gate had nothing to do with ows, and others that had nothing to do with ows were coming out at similar times to those that did. At most ows was about ordering enough supply and distributing it. Trump didn't order as much as he could, didn't leave enough of a supply, and wasn't prepared to distribute as much as he possibly could.
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  1862. @UCy9d4PdVUo2g4EwmwgFwfcg Buddy, I'm a Canadian. Our politics are almost entirely left of US politics and, personally, I almost can't score any further left, or further libertarian, on a political compass test. Economically, most US Democrats are to the right of our Conservative party. I think both the US parties suck ass, and I struggle with not believing that the US is a majority of morons, for not voting Bernie, and for not joining the rest of the developed world. I also understand the benefit of having a viable third party (NDP, which I vote for) and, under normal circumstances, might support not voting Democrat, letting an average Republican be president, let the Democrat party fall apart, and pushing for a third party to rise up. Having said that, it's not normal times. US Republicans are outright cookoo for cocopuffs insane. They're letting hundreds of thousands of people die, and you've got 70m people who look like they'd be willing to close the door on democracy, and check the final box for outright fascism, just to keep Trumpty Dumpty in office. That's not the time to be bashing the most progressive people you've got. Whether you're a full blown USSR style communist, an underground anarchist, or a US crony capitalist (all totally not in the same tribe) you team up and take out the damn fucking fascists ... pronto. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the fucking psychos should be your biggest enemy. Have your cold war with the corporate Dems later, or on the side, but stay focused on who the biggest threat is. Bannon is calling for heads. Jones is calling for a revolution. Oath keepers are saying they're armed and ready, when Trump gives the word. Proud Boys are standing by. But, hey, let's take this time to bash AOC and make baseless bullshit claims that progressives are just there for appearances, as if the corporate Dems actually wanted progressives to win instead of fighting them tooth and nail. That's getting into some conspiracy crap and, whatever the case, they should be the last people on your hit list. That's if you actually want to move the US left, which I'm no longer sure Jimmy does. I stopped watching because Jimmy was seeming more and more like a Sam Harris type, claiming to be more liberal than the liberals he was constantly bashing, while spouting all kinds of crap far right nutters would lap up. And, no, the odd swing at a Republican, every blue moon, doesn't balance things out.
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  1876.  @t-swizzle8102  Rofl! Do you know what a false equivalency is? The Tea Party was backed by leading Republican donors, like the Koch brothers, who were also pressuring Republican members of congress to move further right. Are there any major Democratic donors pressuring Democrats to move left? No? Republicans have a natural predisposition to moving right, anyway. Do corporate Dems have a natural predisposition to moving left? No? With that pressure on congress members Tea Party numbers were regularly increasing, as members converted. Are corporate Dems converting to being progressives? No? And, the only thing that gave Tea Party members the power to block any bills, was the other Republicans' unwillingness to work with Democrats, instead. All they had to do was make some concessions to Democrats, bring enough Democrats on board, and pass the bill without needing Tea Party votes. Do corporate Dems have a complete unwillingness to work with Republicans? No? There's no equivalence to the Tea Party's situation. It's math, dimwit. There are zero extra votes to the left of progressives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from. Bring one Republican on board, and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without Bernie. Bring enough house Republicans on board and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without the squad. If corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, a stand off will more likely end up pushing a bill further right, not left. Empty virtue signalling is going on and on, for a f*cking year about a missed chance to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, ffs. A performance art vote would get you no closer to getting M4A. Fighting to increase numbers in congress actually does move you closer to being able to pass the bill. You dimwitted Dore knobs have things completely backwards. Dore is sitting in his $2m garage and not giving a shit if anyone ever gets healthcare. That's why he doesn't care if the country goes outright backwards, and 10m of the poorest Americans are thrown off of Medicaid expansion. That's why he doesn't care if you sit on the sidelines for the next century. That's what he doesn't care, when he helps another grifter campaign against Bernie. That's why he didn't care, when he abandoned Nina. He's a grifter, dimwit. His increasing right wing audience should have clued you in. Or, maybe you're one of them, just pretending. You're more upset at Democrats, that you only got $1400, than you are at Republicans, every one of which voted against giving you anything? $1400 and $0, is totally samesies, to you? No difference? Just how dumb are you? Plus the unemployment extension they all voted against. Plus the eviction moratorium they all voted against. Plus repeatedly extending the freeze on student loan payments and interest (How are you still having to make student loan payments?), that they're all opposed to. Rescinding numerous Trump executive orders is totally samesies as Trump signing those orders. Signing a.number of new beneficial executive orders is totally samesies as not signing those orders. A near end to drone strikes is totally samesies as Trump dropping more bombs than Obama. Oh, oh, but I'm a brain dead Dore knob ... look at this thing that hasn't changed ... they're totally samesies!!! You're obviously the one that doesn't care, dimwit, if you have the luxury to let Republicans, and corporate Dems, rule for decades to come. Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is clearly the more effective way for a progressive to win a seat in congress, and remove a corporate Dem.
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  2055.  @joshboston2323  Well, there's his nonsensical morality argument, that includes him using completely garbage "analogies". One being using chess as an "analogy" to morality, and calls it a game of pure objectivity. But, chess has rules, which is an analogy to having laws, not to morality. And, those rules were created by the subjective decisions of its creator, people make the subjective decision to play or not, people make the subjective decision whether they actually want to win or not (might want to let their kid win), people make the subjective decision whether they want to use alternative rules or not, ... He also argues against himself, first claiming all variations of morality are about "well being". If true, that would mean everyone has a different idea of what "well being" entails, everyone has a different subjective concept of "well being". But then he makes out like his version of "well being" is objective and uses it to judge other versions of "well being" as worse. He doesn't ever actually get beyond his initial statement about the consensus being that science/objectivity, can't tell you what main goal to set, but once you subjectively decide on a main goal, science/objectivity can tell you, objectively, whether a course of action will bring you closer to, or further from, reaching that goal. All he did was stick in his own subjective version of "well being", as the main goal. It was complete nonsense, by a dimwit who thinks he's smarter than Hume. There's also his fearmongering about AI, as if an AI having more knowledge (objectivity), giving an example of an AI that's more intelligent to us than we are to ants, will somehow lead to it turning against us (subjectivity). There's zero indication we can even create an AI with its own subjectivity, its own ability for primary goal setting. You have to worry about the programmers who are programming in the primary goals, not an AI suddenly up and deciding it wants to organize paperclips, one day. An AI has no personal desires.
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  2103. ​ @barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  2114.  @putinpuppet2063   Sure, empirical senses can be flawed, which is why we have more and more people make observations for things like science, to minimize the chance of flawed observations. Assuming parts are working properly, they're fairly objective, and what one person sees another person sees. Flawed parts doesn't make for a "subjective" observation, it just makes for an incorrect observation. Even a camera could be out of focus, have a scratch, or a microphone could be glitching, etc. Doesn't make their observations "subjective", just incorrect, or flawed. What would be an example of a purely objective wrong decision? Right, Ben is full of all kinds of crap, and is quite dishonest about his facts over feelings mantra. There's no factual evidence to support his religious beliefs. I said make it matter, not make it a fact. I also outright said above that objectivity, facts, truth ... should be independent of any subjectivity. Him simply stating that life begins at conception, isn't actually an argument for action, one way or the other. He states that fact like there's then an automatic objective, emotionless, jump right to anti-abortion, simply because it's "life". So it's "life". So what? That doesn't actually matter without subjectivity. Ben subjectively cares about that zigot and doesn't want it harmed. His feelings are his actual argument, not his fact. Right, an action can't be taken without subjectivity. Not helping someone? Either A, you don't care either way, which means you didn't actually make a decision (like I said above, a robot would sit there observing ... that's not "deciding" not to act, it just doesn't give a crap, so doesn't act ... neither would a vacuum cleaner). B, you subjectively have a desire to see what happens if you don't help, so decide not to. C, you subjectively fear more for your own safety if you try to help, than you do theirs, so decide not to. Or, some other subjective reason to actually decide not to. How could you actually decide not to act without subjectivity?
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  2121.  @secularsocialist  Just how slow are you? I didn't claim simply giving opinions on YouTube and making money was grifting. I clearly spelled out what I meant by grifting. A grifter, like a snake oil salesman, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. Incredibly ironic, you claiming others are lying and strawmanning. Nope, you're lying. He claimed Ivermectin was both an effective remedy and an effective preventative, on Rogan's show. He got caught in that lie with his first video on his new right wing platform, Rumble. Probably signed a deal, like his grifter friend Glenn did, for some of that Peter Thiel money ... made from working with the CIA, btw. By Jimmy's own "logic", he himself is both a grifter and a CIA agent. You also lied about what he did with his dishonest comparison of rates based on totally different math. Nope. He outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, and made up some delusional fantasy to justify what he was saying, none of which came true. Promoting voting for Stein is also promoting letting Trump win. In no reality was she going to win, right. So you're just promoting not voting for the only viable alternative to Trump. I know what actual anti-vax people say. They say covid is like a cold or flu, isn't that bad, so isn't worth getting vaccinated. Dore lying that covid deaths are "WILDLY inflated", by over 10x, supports their position. They claim there are alternatives to vaccines, and Dore promoting Ivermectin, and other unproven crap, as effective, supports their position. They claim the vaccine side effects are worse than covid. Dore constantly going on about negative side effects, while never pointing out that the rates for the same things, like tinnitus or myocarditis, are much much higher with those who get covid, supports their position. They claim it's some big pharma scam and Dore peddling that it's some big pharma scam, supports their position. Nope. Tulsi wasn't to the left of Bernie on anything. Bernie said no intervention in Venezuela. Bernie spoke out against the right wing coup, and in favor of Morales, in Bolivia. Bernie called airstrikes on Syria illegal and unauthorized. Dore, and his knobs, just didn't do their homework. Jimmy's guest clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market" and Dore clearly promoted allying with him. Boogaloos are psychos, that want to start a civil war, ffs. Rofl! Dore literally brings up the bill of rights, with Carlson, you dishonest lying dimwitted Dore knob. That's exactly what he was talking about. While also peddling the right wing bullshit, that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, are "the left". He's his own best joke. Fighting to add more yes votes to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill, is the most important fight. Dore has actively worked against doing just that, and slanders people who have done just that. He's a grifter, who claims he's for X, but is actually peddling you Y and/or Z.
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  2129.  @sergeikhripun  Yeah, and Tucker had pro Assange videos going back a year before Dore was even on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't some left wing issue. Did Tucker convince Dumpty to pardon Assange? No. So, Jimmy goes on the show, and immediately agrees with Tucker's right wing framing of Trump being kicked off social media because of left wing cancel culture, and blathers about the first amendment, which doesn't even apply, and only feeds right wing morons' victim complex, and feeling their rights are being violated. Utter bullshit. Jimmy should have pointed out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones siding with private property, and that, if you do want free speech rights, then you should back public ownership. He should have pointed out that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, aren't "leftist", in the least. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones who handed corporations so much power, argued they're people with their own rights, including the right to their own beliefs and right to act on those beliefs. They created the monster they're crying about. Plus, he should have pointed out that inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech, even if you made social media an actual public square, through public ownership. He should have pointed out that conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia. He should have pointed out that Republicans are fine when the government outright violates free speech, like the head of government firing or threatening to fire anyone who contradicts him, like anti-BDS laws, like LGBT books, like making it harder and more dangerous to protest, like an FCC still protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples, etc. He should have pointed out all the times Republicans have promoted cancelling a business or a person ... for kneeling, for being gay, for being trans, etc. He should have pointed out that "cancel culture" is nothing new, and not something just the left does. In fact, the left hardly uses government, in comparison, and instead uses social pressure, which is basically like the libertarian solution, to use Yelp, or something, to push a business to behave the way you want. Yeah, and this was right before the well deserved second impeachment, Jimmy then threw in the off topic bone, to Tucker and his audience, that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham, feeding their doubts about the second one. Nothing in the Mueller report has been refuted. Intelligence agencies didn't rely on the stupid Steele dossier, and are even the ones who decided it wasn't reliable. No clue what you think "Russiagate" is. It's just a fact that Russia interfered in the election. Trump's own FBI concluded the same thing, in 2020. Without relying on the Steele dossier, the Mueller report laid out some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, stated Jr and Kushner weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be too hard to prove they willfully broke the law not because they didn't break the law, and laid out evidence of obstruction. The only people I see blathering about "Russiagate", is you Dore knobs. Then, like I said, he finally talked about Assange, which was already something Tucker had no problem with. Nothing Jimmy said on that segment challenged any of Tucker's far right views, or his audience's. A total love fest.
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  2233.  @glondokakurswongog3790  Rofl. What a load of crap. If Dore didn't think he was accomplishing anything, why the hell did he keep bragging about forcethevote trending? If he didn't consider what he was doing as fighting, then why was he doing it? You're making no sense. He didn't back Bernie in the last election cycle. He backed "Medicare choice" Tulsi. You're spouting bullshit. If he actually recognized that AOC helped add more M4A yes votes to congress, exactly what you need to do to ever pass the bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even after a guaranteed to fail vote, then he wouldn't make out like she wasn't doing anything. It reduces his own forcethevote "plan" to have a failed vote, and then do nothing. There was no crime. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill just last session. It died in committees. There was no progressive uprising over it, no mass protests, not even any outrage from Dore himself. It took a single reporter's question to get Biden on record saying he'd veto M4A. Plenty of corporate Dems and Republicans just said they were opposed to it, during their campaigns. Every new session, you get a new list of names of those who don't sign onto the bill. There's no need to threaten to paralyze the house, to get a list of Dems to primary, or Republicans to run against. You've already got a list of some 300+ names. Where were the 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates, that Jimmy has laying around, in the election that just took place? Why didn't he pull them out and run them?
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  2234. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2262.  @mroctober3583  He promoted Trump as better than Clinton. He promoted Stein as having a chance. If he convinced anyone in any 2016 swing state to vote Trump, vote Stein, or to not vote at all, then he helped the lunatic, that has let thousands of Americans die, get elected. Throughout the pandemic, he has basically been running constant attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent, again not seeming to care if the lunatic wins and even more people die. He's attacking the credibility of the woman whose progressive PAC just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress (exactly the thing you're going to have to do after the vote fails anyway), going against the DCCC. Corporate Dems have openly stated that's why she was punished and not given the committee seat she wanted. She's punching and getting punched, and Dore knob throws in a kick, accusing her of being a "shill" and "wimp". He doesn't care if he undermines progressive politicians, because he's promoting a People's Party, which would be starting from scratch, and wouldn't get you enough seats to pass M4A for decades, if ever. If Dore has 100 pro-M4A progressive candidates in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out for the election? If he and Briahna want pro-M4A protests, then why haven't they been coordinating with the DSA's M4A rallies, all along? You know ... before the election that just fucking happened. He was more worried about shit Obama (no longer a politician) was saying, or Colbert crying. Dore has his own healthcare, and doesn't give a crap if he tears everything and everyone down to start over. Nothing to lose? What if corporate Dems just keep putting Pelosi back as their speaker candidate over and over again, or even someone to the right of her? Do you just keep paralyzing the house, as they blame progressives for not being able to pass minimum wage, or student debt relief, or lowering social security, or whatever else people just voted for? Jimmy, himself, just argued that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than work with progressives. The dimwit didn't recognize that that's an argument against his own strategy because, if that's really true, then that gives progressives less leverage, and means they could orchestrate something even worse with Republicans, and blame progressives.
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  2291.  @ToxicAudri  The details of how a UBI is paid for is important, and he kept saying that giant corporations would pay into it, and kept comparing his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by oil companies. The thing is that a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation (which would be worse anyway). Yang even posted a link to a pass through rate study that he didn't grasp, or lied about. What it actually showed was a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang claimed that indicated businesses were paying for a large portion of the tax, when it actually meant that a large portion had less tax or no tax (zero rated are staples that people buy most). The final consumer was still paying the entire VAT. Without corporations paying for it, or even into it, then all they get is the benefit of extra trillions being spent. Instead of taxing Amazon, as Yang said, they would make extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year. He could buy a brand new $500m yacht, every year, pay $50m in VAT, and still have extra billions left over. Also, in a future that's increasingly automated, you can't have increasingly unemployed consumers paying for their own UBI. You need corporations to pay the people, like the Alaskan dividend he kept comparing his to, like he kept saying it should be. His words didn't match his actual plan.
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  2313.  @justanotherguy1794  Progressive house members did get the $15 minimum to stay in the covid relief bill, when it was first talked about taking it out because it might not get by senate rules, and it passed the house. People were already griping that the covid relief didn't go out the day after Biden was inaugurated. How many times should the bill have bounced back and forth between the house and senate? Who in the senate was going to suddenly change their minds? AOC did use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A candidates, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. A guaranteed to fail vote, isn't itself M4A. Dore uses fake support percentages for how wildly popular he claims M4A is. If you actually look at the Pew survey he referred to, it's only 54% of Dems that want all out M4A, and only 36% of Americans. There wouldn't have been some massive uprising over it failing to pass. Half of congress just got done an election cycle, and pretty much every voter knew where their candidates stood on healthcare, when they voted. She also campaigned for Bernie and M4A, while Jimmy was pushing Tulsi and "Medicare choice". Jimmy is also the guy who didn't give two shits if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare. He also doesn't care if he leads people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. What he promotes doesn't actually indicate that he cares if anyone gets healthcare coverage anytime soon. The broader progressive caucus is some 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. I think people should stick with the Justice Dem approach, until they're the majority, can pick the party speaker candidate, can control the house if still the house majority, and then see what they do. I think giving up on them, when it's that close, to go some decades long route that doesn't get you even a single vote for or against even a single bill because you don't have a seat isn't a winning strategy. Technically, even Bernie is a centrist, out in the real world, but I think he, and a number of other progressives, are genuine. Might not always agree on tactics though, and disagreeing on a single secondary tactic shouldn't be the end all and be all of the relationship, or support.
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  2347.  @neon-kitty  Having a progressive on the show doesn't make it a progressive show. Stopped watching before the cast switch. There was less debate on Rising than there was on Crossfire or Hannity and Combes. Saagar, who's supposedly an anti-Trump conservative, regularly softened just how bad Trump is, making it seem like Trump is just a little over the top and not a batshit crazy fascist. Likewise, for Trump's cult, who he made out like they were just being a little silly. And, I don't recall him ever leading Republicans down a path towards not voting for Trump. Krystal, on the other hand, was really trashing Biden (Trump's only remaining viable opponent) and telling progressives that they don't owe Biden their vote. What's the overall message, if it says Trump isn't all that bad, Biden is bad, don't stop voting Republican, but possibly stop voting Democrat? Or, even in the primaries, with the repeated fawning over Yang (who would have had money flowing to the very top faster than ever before, because he's completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, as to how a VAT actually works) ... Bernie had a really tough fight in 2016, and lost. That was running as the only progressive, and getting all the progressive votes. Going into the 2020 primaries, everyone should have known that every single vote taken away from him would be extremely important, and likely help produce another progressive loss. But, people still peddled multiple other "progressives". That kind of stuff is all simply a math problem. If you're taking a vote away from the most competitive progressive, then you're lowering his odds of winning, which lowers the odds of a progressive winning, at all. I started feeling like Krystal and Saagar were a gateway down a path that ends with Dore and a Boogaloo, and their comment section was reflecting that more and more. Kim Iverson went batshit crazy during covid. To normalize her is insane. Her moronic, look how great Sweden is doing (regularly the worst country in Europe, at the time), covid will end with warm weather, and generally shitty covid attitude is likely what killed one of her own staff, but she powered on.
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  2405.  @theciakilledjfk5973  Next to nobody outside of some progressive circles (where everyone is already pro-M4A) were talking about Jimmy Dore, or FTV. Something like 20 people showed up for the DC FTV rally. Bernie still has more Twitter followers. Bernie, and his M4A, who she used her platform to campaign for, while Dore knob was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. The pandemic had started before the primaries were over. Guess what? The M4A candidate didn't get elected, and no amount of DNC fuckery could have screwed Bernie, if the masses had voted for him. Most of those other pro-M4A candidates didn't make it through the primaries, either. Only a few did. Americans just got finished ranking how important M4A was to them. They went with the idjit who said he'd veto it, if it somehow passed both the house and senate. They went with mostly anti-M4A corporate Dem and Rep congress members, yet again. Dore had this fantasy, in 2016, where a Trump presidency would be better for progressives than a Clinton presidency. It was going to lead to some massive progressive wave that would, "for sure", lead to progressives taking the house and senate in 2018, and a progressive president in 2020. None of it happened. He vastly overestimated the benefits and vastly underestimated the risks. Even with the benefit of hindsight, knowing full well that people started complaining about not getting covid relief fast enough (including, I think, Jimmy Dore), you think they would have been impressed with paralyzing the house for some amount of time, to not actually get them M4A, but simply to get a guaranteed to fail vote?
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  2418.  @curiosityl.6261  Hinkle blathered a bunch of standard Dore knob bullshit, is all he did. The Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate and sent back to the house. AOC voted no on the final version of the bill. AOC had just backed progressives in purple districts, that got creamed in the primaries, and the Dems who beat them managed to also beat the Republican. This midterm is going to be a helluva fight to try and hang on to the majority. Whatever leverage progressives have, completely evaporates, if Republicans win the majority. Go ahead and be pissed, if you think AOC broke a promise, but trying to retain the majority is smart. The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. He never mentioned a need to cast protest votes. That implies abstaining. And, he made it very clear that he thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, unless Democrats actually voted for him, so would see no problem with abstaining. 15 progressives abstaining would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. FTV was also about a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. It doesn't actually move you any closer to being able to pass the bill. The only possible way to ever pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress, which makes adding yes votes to congress the most important thing. Justice Dems, and AOC, have helped to add more M4A yes votes to congress. AOC was fighting to add another, in Nina Turner, campaigning on the ground for her. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. Progressives did get the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Dore knobs have done nothing with those lists of no voters, and just continue to slander those who voted for it. Drone strikes have been reduced to almost nothing. That's one thing Dore knobs should be praising Biden for. Instead they keep whining. All, or nothing. AOC, and other progressives have a bill trying to put conditions on the annual military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. So she voted to rearm a purely defensive Iron Dome. So what? Just a lot of much ado about nothing.
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  2431.  @michaels8620  Yeah, a C-SPAN covered floor vote ... totally samesies as thousands of people marching down a highway, covered by all media. Women's suffrage had a first vote to see how close they were to a supermajority, because the parties weren't as partisan, at the time, and they weren't sure how far off they were. They literally held back the bill, the next session, because they didn't think they had the supermajority yet, and saw absolutely no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. Where are you getting this repeatedly having failed votes being beneficial from? The $15 got a vote, and even passed the house to get a senate vote. Dore knobs argue it was useless, and just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it. How did getting a vote help? Isn't turning it into a hill to die on, and to slander M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, part of what turned it stupid? FTV was dead in the water as soon as Dore, and his knobs, used it to slander AOC, and the vast majority of progressives, which was almost right out of the gate. Yeah, Dore killed his own plan, by being a moron. That's the reason you try to detach the man from his own plan, because he's too hard to defend. If he was easy to defend, there'd be no issue with keeping him attached to his own plan. Don't you think he destroyed any chance of getting any of the 15 progressives he named, on board, the moment he started slandering the first one? Any leverage Hinkle believes the squad has entirely depends on Dems being the majority of the house. This midterm will be a helluva fight to try and keep that majority, especially in those more conservative purple districts. Is there some benefit to progressives becoming a minority within a minority, and having Republicans win the majority?
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  2586. No one has argued the US invented slavery. No one has argued slavery didn't, or doesn't, exist outside the US. No one has argued slavery no longer exists. Crowder is arguing against strawmen of his own making, on all those points. As for his claim that slavery has never been racially motivated, that's a blatant lie. Western chattel slavery was developed around African slaves, and was different from other types of slavery. Simply saying "slavery", implying they're all samesies, is nonsense. Other forms of slavery, practiced elsewhere, didn't tend to be lifelong and multigenerational. Black Americans, in the early colonies, weren't slaves. They were indentured, like white people. Then, very racially motivated laws, around the colonies, started chipping away at any semblance of rights. At first, they tried being subtle, by making laws against enslaving Christians (all the whites were Christians, while black Africans were not, at the time). When black people started converting, then they dropped all subtlety, and became very race specific. There were laws all across the country, as well as the brief mention in the constitution. There was also the Confederate constitution, which made the racial aspect of slavery extremely clear. There was also another hundred years of racially motivated segregation and Jim Crow laws, against the very same people that had been enslaved, indicating their treatment beforehand had also been racially motivated. The majority of Confederate state voters were racists, plain and simple. They voted for pro slavery candidates, and against abolitionists. They voted for secessionists, and against unionists. They were willing to kill, and be killed, for the "right" to own, abuse, torture, rape, and even kill, black Americans. They voted for segregationists, and against desegregationists. They were majority hardcore racists, for centuries, on a massive scale. Anyone who thinks that all suddenly went away, in 50 years, is a complete and utter moron, or a grifter.
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  2595.  @Fuwuzworsh  It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the absolute fact, that even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, the most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. It is absolutely not a strawman to point out the math of having power in congress and that, as a third party, you could be completely ignored, until you get a majority, if the other two parties work together. You, apparently, have no clue what a "strawman" is. AOC just used that PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives in the last primaries. She helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Some of the progressives she backed got absolutely trounced in very conservative districts, but a conservative Dem did end up winning the general. So, you Dore knobs are upset, that she wants the party to hold those seats in the midterms. I get it ... Dore knobs like Republicans in the majority, and progressives in a minority party. Wait. On one hand, a Dore argument is that corporate Dems would rather work with, or lose to, Republicans, than they would to work with, or lose to, progressives. On the other hand, a Dore argument is that they'll hate losing to Republicans, so much, that they'll turn more progressive. You realize that that's gibberish, right? Both can't be true. Just pretend that a hard all or nothing stance got you absolutely nothing, like you wanted.
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  2603.  @Hunter_Brandon  Dore didn't say to cast protest votes. His original plan, to simply "withhold", or "don't vote", would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. The fact that Pelosi ended up winning the speakership with less than 218 votes, and speakers before have won with less than 218 votes, proves that Dore was wrong when he insisted it was impossible for McCarthy to win without 218 votes. His 15 would need to cast protest votes, which Dore wasn't saying to do, or McCarthy would have been speaker. Even the amended plan, to cast protest votes, wouldn't necessarily be a threat to Pelosi. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats shy of being the majority of the party. They don't yet have the numbers to pick a progressive speaker. As long as the corporate Dem majority stuck with her, they could keep choosing Pelosi as the party speaker candidate over, and over, and over. All the 15 would be doing is paralyzing the house ... during a pandemic, meaning no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., with everyone blaming them. It could have been a PR nightmare. Plus, moving forward, now that you've openly started an all out civil war within the party, what happens when the progressive caucus does get those 15 more seats and picks the party speaker? Going third party is nonsensical is what the issue is. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. But, let's say you magically got enough progressives to vote third party that a progressive puritan party wins the same number number of seats as the current progressive caucus, 97 in the house and 1 senator. What you'd have is a republican plurality in the house, that only needs to work with a handful of the most conservative corporate Dems to pass anything, and could completely ignore the progressive party. You'd have Trump as president, since progressives and Dems would have split their votes between their two candidates. And, you'd have Pence as the tie breaker in the senate, making it a Republican senate. On the other hand, getting only 15 more progressive seats, within the Dem caucus, would make them the majority, would allow them to pick the party speaker candidate, would allow them to set the party agenda and, if also the majority of the house, put forward whatever bills you want and pick committee members. You know those committees that Dore doesn't consider important. Pelosi actually introduced M4A last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees, where it died, where 90% of bills die. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it has again been sent to committees. Instead of pressuring, calling out, or protesting, committee members to take up the bill, what are Dore, and his knobs, doing? Slandering AOC and Bernie, who were just trying to add another progressive vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned. The paths Dore takes, or proposes, seem to benefit the far right most.
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  2606. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2614.  @mellow_badger8585  Not at all upset. You don't have to worry your little Dore knob head, about me. It is literally not a town square, exactly because the town doesn't own it. They are private social clubs, with tos you need to adhere to, to retain your membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships, since the dawn of private clubs. Private property owners have been having people removed from their private property since the dawn of private property. You have no right to be on someone else's private property, which means you have no right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. If Trump walked into some golf club's ladies change room one too many times, as he is prone to do, and got a number of warnings not to, nobody would care if his membership was revoked. He'd also lose access the property, and saying what he wants on the property. That's the way private property works. Right wingers are the private property pushers. They're the ones that handed giant corporations so much power. They're the ones that made them equivalent to people, and argued they could have their own beliefs. They just get upset when those beliefs don't align with theirs. If Hobby Lobby was doing something anti-women, or Chick-fil-A was doing something anti-gay, they'd have no problem with it. They're only upset because they can't incite insurrections, defame voting machine companies, and spread covid and vaccine misinformation, without consequences. None of those things would necessarily even be protected speech in public, either. They're fine with outright using the government to make anti-BDS laws. They were fine with the government (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, people who said things that contradicted him. They're fine with maintaining the FCC to protect their delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. Etc. These aren't people that actually care about free speech, or they'd support the one way to get it. No, they just want to try and regulate things in a way that protects them from consequences. Rofl. I know the history of the ACA. So, the thing that Republicans didn't introduce to congress as their own policy, that they all voted against, that they have tried to repeal dozens of times over, that Trump ran on repealing, that they are still trying to repeal and are still fighting in court, is "their" big policy for the lower class? I've never argued that Democrats don't do things to harm the working class. I'm asking about what pro working class policies the right has. The left has things like M4A, the Green New Deal, student loan relief, free college, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. Sure, a bunch of corporate Dems aren't left enough, and need replacing, to make any of those happen. Upper and lower class has always been the same thing as right and left. The upper class has always managed to get some working class stooges on board, to support their crap that doesn't do anything for the working class. If your best example of "their" policy that helped the working class is something they voted against and have constantly fought against, that's pretty sad.
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  2623.  @anderseckstrand7033  AOC supports M4A. She shares that support for M4A on a platform that reaches 40x more people than Jimmy. On top of her 10m direct audience, a single M4A tweet of hers was retweeted 70 thousand times, compared to Jimmy's best, at under 2k (and that was during this big "trending" moment he thinks he's having). The woman absolutely destroys Jimmy at the only thing he does. On top of that, she was the one who took out the #2 corporate Dem, she started a progressive PAC to counter the DCCC, she fended off another DCCC backed corporate Dem, her PAC helped get more progressives elected to congress even as corporate Dems lost seats (which is why she was punished, as they mentioned) ... you know, doing the things, getting progressive numbers up, that need doing to actually get M4A to pass. That's the kind of stuff that will have to still happen after Jimmy's vote fails, anyway. She has done more for the progressive movement in 2 years than Jimmy has in 20. And, Sam, well he did his best in 2016 to convince at least one moron, that Trump was dangerous, and that multiple scotus seats being filled was a possibility and also dangerous, but ... the idiot stuck to his guns, thinking Trump would be better for progressives, would bring about a massive progressive wave leading to a 2020 Warren presidency, that Republicans would even work with the left against the "maniacal fascist", and that the likelihood of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was on par with the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Maybe Sam could have done more, pushed back even harder, but it's not really Sam's fault that the guy was so stupid.
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  2629. @Zackariah Schultz If you say things like "I will argue", with zero reference to others arguing the same thing before, then you're presenting the argument as your own, not simply something you agree with. Might be fine for a casual conversation, but not for a lecture, article, or whatever, presenting yourself as a scholar in the field. What ... do you want an entire lecture, or article, quoted here, showing an absence of him giving credit to other philosophers before him? All his lectures and articles? Lol Criticizing a specific idea is different from fearmongering about people and arguing to discriminate against them. You know the difference between criticizing authoritarian forms of communism and regressively fearmongering against left leaning people of all sorts, like during McCarthyism, right? If you've never heard him present simply "Muslims" as a problem in a "thought" experiment, like with nuclear weapons for example, or never heard him argue to profile Muslims, then why are you so worried about someone you know little about? Do you also know there's a difference between a book and a religion? Harris has outright said himself that he just recently learned this from Nawaz, which then contradicts a number of his previous arguments, and validates the critics of those previous arguments. His AI argument has to do with an AI as advanced to us as we are to ants. He argues we'd have to worry about it having different values, that don't align with ours, and it turning against us. But, if you use the same argument he uses for Moral Landscape, then the AI's values should be objectively better than ours, and the AI should objectively have more value than us. Contradicting his own hierarchy argument, which gives us more value than ants, Sam still values humans more than the advanced AI. If his hierarchy was truly objective, then any future AI, or other species, found to be more advanced than us, should objectively have more value than us. No, simply calling someone else an idiot isn't idiotic. Repeatedly presenting arguments that contradict your other arguments is idiotic. Presenting old ideas as your own is idiotic. Not being able to get any further than what you already say is a given is idiotic. Constantly presenting non-analagous "analogies" is idiotic. Etc.
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  2675. ​ @matthewgoedtel5998  Pakman is acting like an "enlightened centrist", not much different than Piers Morgan, when there are objective facts that Israel is the aggressor. Being in the middle, not recognizing reality, is somewhat as delusional as being opposed to reality. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  2696.  @Newton-Reuther  Organizing or sponsoring? What are you looking for, exactly? 2 weeks ago: "AOC at a ramadan event in New York. Spoke about a ceasefire and conditioning aid to Israel! AOC has been calling for a ceasefire. Tonight, she spoke in a rally with Cori Bush to a group of rabbis." "Progressive Democrats protest Israeli president's address to US Congress Jul 18, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib say they intend to boycott address due to Israel's treatment of Palestinians." "Ilhan Omar leads 384 worldwide leaders in call for Gaza ceasefire The American signatories are the representatives Omar, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, André Carson, Greg Casar, Jesús García, Hank Johnson, Summer Lee, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Nydia Velázquez and Bonnie Watson Coleman." "'Squad' Dems face backlash calling for 'ceasefire' after Israel attacks Oct 7, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., called for a "ceasefire and de-escalation" after the surprise terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel." "AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights Nov 15, 2023 — Twenty-four Democrats in Congress have urged Joe Biden to end “grave violations of children's rights” by pushing for an immediate ceasefire" Votes against the State Department appropriation bill (which includes the annual aid to IL), every year. Bills to condition aid to IL. Bills calling for ceasefire. She, and the other progressives, are prepping to take on AIPAC sponsored opponents, shortly.
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  2750.  @jamesmcelroy5830  Like the fact that not voting, or casting a useless vote, only benefits Republicans? Like the fact that Dumpty did fill multiple scotus seats, and the moon didn't fall into Lake Michigan? Like the fact that there were dozens of inspections showing Syria used chemical weapons, and that 2 dissenting opinions on a single inspection doesn't even refute that inspection, let alone all those dozens of others (that didn't have dissenting opinions)? Like the fact that the entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to pick a different party speaker candidate, meaning the majority of house Democrats could have kept picking Pelosi over and over and over again? Like the fact that Dore actually promoted that 15 progressives abstain, rather than cast protest votes, which would have handed the house speakership to McCarthy? Like the fact that Dore promoted abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill? Like the fact that he spewed a ton of garbage about COVID, vaccines, and "alternatives"? Like the fact that Rumble is funded by Peter Thiel (mega MAGA donor, who made his billions helping the government spy on its citizens), and they paid Tulsi, Greenwald, and Dore, to join their platform? Etc. Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but are actually selling you something useless, or even harmful. The paths Dore proposes taking don't lead to where he claims they do. They lead to Republicans ruling for decades to come.
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  2790. ​ @mychannel5019  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  2791. ​ @elconquistador5469  The UN Office of Genocide Prevention considers ethnic cleansing in their wheelhouse. Because, if they don't move, they die. Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  2795.  @laqueefa8509  Dore is an idiot. The original "plan" he "organized" was to hand the speakership to McCarthy, because Dore's original wording, and numerous times after, never stated that the 15 progressives he picked need to cast protest votes. He kept repeating simply "withhold" or "don't vote for", which implies abstaining. It took others to fix the major hole in his "plan", because he's an idiot who doesn't know how the government works. Dore also "organized" helping Trump win in 2016, by arguing that Trump was a better option than Clinton, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown of Medicaid expansion, and not caring to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. He also "organized" supporting Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" over Bernie and M4A. He also "organized" an attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent in 2020, doing what he could to help him win again. He also "organized" support for the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. A route that would, at best peel away enough progressive votes from Dems to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades. Dimwit Dore knobs don't grasp that "vote blue" works both ways, and that Dem voters who vote against progressives in the primaries vote for them in the general. If you simply split off progressives, elections would look like a two candidate Dem primary vs a single candidate Republican general, and Republicans would win in most places. Dore is a grifter, who doesn't actually care about getting anyone healthcare anytime soon.
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  2836. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  2840. ​ @crabbypattie  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2852.  @fredsanford1437  You mean, overstimated leverage, for a guaranteed to fail vote, and not actually M4A (which Bernie campaigned on, with AOC campaigning for him, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice", and AOC also backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helping to remove a few more corporate Dems). Dore knobs have since proved they would have done absolutely nothing with a failed vote, anyway. There was a vote on the $15, and they just continued to whine and complain about the people who voted for it, instead of those who voted against, and have done absolutely nothing with their treasured list of names of no voters. Just a bunch of lazy good for nothings, following a "real" leftist, who promoted Trump as a better option than Clinton, who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and who failed in all his predictions. Gotta love "real" leftists that benefit the far right most. Go on Tucker, not to challenge right wing ideas, but to agree with them ... make friends with extreme right ancap Boogaloos who want the complete opposite economics to socialism ... such a "real" lefty Jimmy is. Repeating what CIA pro war talking points? Like speaking out against US support for Israeli policies? Speaking out against US support for the war in Yemen? Ignoring that they have voted against US intervention in a number of places, which "pro war" talking points are they repeating, exactly?
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  2862.  @seandoyle296  You're talking like Harris. "Islam" didn't have a relationship with slavery. "Islam" doesn't exist on its own. Certain Muslims have had a relationship with slavery. There's also wasn't particularly racist, as they also made non Africans slaves. And, like you said yourself, they couldn't keep any of them as slaves, if the slaves converted. Converting didn't help African slaves in the Americas, because their status as slaves was entirely race based. There's also a difference between temporarily enslaving people for a period of time (which was often done with prisoners of war and criminals, and even developed countries still do with criminals) and chattel slavery, where you get to own them as personal property for life, and own their children, and their children, ... You also seem to be conflating conquest with forced conversion. It actually benefited Muslim rulers to not force convert populations, because they could tax non Muslims a little bit extra. It benefited non Muslims, that they could pay a little extra to keep their ability to practice their own religion. The majority of the population in Hispania remained Christian, under Muslim rule, and Sephardic Jews remaiined Jewish. That's quite different than the Catholic conquerors giving Muslims and Jews the options of conversion, death, or exile. European Catholics also conquered more of the Orthodox Byzantine Empire than Muslims did, but it's not considered quite as big a deal. It's more acceptable for Christians to conquer other Christians. But, if Muslims happen to conquer a Christian area, it's portrayed as some kind of holy war, when it wasn't necessarily so. It was largely Christians who made things into holy wars, that comprised of both conquest and forced conversion. They had crusades against northern pagans, crusades to "reconquer" Hispania, and crusades against Muslims to the East.
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  2863.  @seandoyle296  Do you have reading comprehension problems, or does your mind only jump between two extremes, of all good and all bad? I didn't call anyone "noble", or argue anything was "utopic". I simply explained some differences. You were mentioning the spread of Islam, in other posts. Not sure where I lost you, while explaining the difference between simply conquering vs conquering with forced conversion. I used Catholics, as an example, because all of Europe was Catholic, at the time, and they force converted along with conquest. They had been force converting since the Roman Empire adopted Christianity and force converted its own populace. You can go on about Muslim conquests, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't much practice forced conversion. Alexander conquered all the way to India, as well, but he didn't force convert the populations along the way to believe in the Greek gods. Pre-Christian Romans conquered large amounts of territory, but also didn't force convert populations along the way. There's a difference between spreading your borders by the sword, and spreading your religion by the sword. You get that, as a rate, 12m over 500 years is worse than 17m over 1300 years, right? You also failed to mention the millions of slaves being bread like livestock, over hundreds of years, in the Americas, on top of those traded from Africa. There were 4 million, in the US alone, in 1860, and millions more in the 200 years prior. Chattel slavery, like that, wasn't commonplace in Muslim nations, while manumission was common, even mandatory in places. There were black Moors accepted as rulers. There were also Sudanese Mamluks accepted at the elite levels of your slavery hierarchy, that also went on to be rulers in places. There was also a hierarchy in the chattel slavery of the Americas, where whites couldn't be chattel slaves, blacks were considered good chattel slaves, and natives were considered bad chattel slaves, so were wiped out, ethnically cleansed, or simply worked to death en masse. You have an uphill battle trying to argue other forms of slavery was as racist, or as bad, as it was.
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  2864.  @seandoyle296  It does seem to be a reading comprehension problem, because you don't seem to be grasping things I am saying, and make up things I haven't said. What I'm talking about is me simply pointing out the fact that Muslims didn't do X, and you then jumping to comparisons to "apologetics", "nobility", or "utopia", I haven't apologized for anything they actually did. I haven't called anyone "noble". I haven't painted anything as a "utopia". In what reality is having multiple forms of slavery some noble utopia? It's not. Pointing out the fact that they didn't really have race based chattel slavery is simply a fact. That chattel slavery itself wasn't common in Muslim nations is just a fact. Not sure how you're going to dig up millions of extra black slaves, that were bred into slavery, when that wasn't really much of a thing in Muslim nations. Them freeing slaves being more common doesn't change that they enslaved someone to begin with. It doesn't make them saints. It just means they practiced slightly less horrible forms of slavery, and were somewhat less racist. Muslims were only about 16% of the population in India, when the British started ruling, after centuries of Mughal rule. There's no evidence of an ongoing mass forced conversion effort of the populace. Hindu princes helped rule, and Hindus helped run the administration. The Sikh religion itself draws from both Hinduism and Islam, and was only in its infancy around when Mughals started ruling. It actually grew and spread, under Mughal rule. It was mainly just one ruler that tried to force convert people. I'm sure it had nothing to do with them forementing uprisings, and whatnot. You're the one desperately grasping at little anecdotes, to try and make out like two largely different spreads were the same. But, you don't actually have stories of widespread, ongoing, relentless, forced mass conversion, almost everywhere Muslims ruled ... like within the Roman Empire against pagans, like within new territories conquered by Christian Romans, like Northern Crusades against pagan rulers, like Eastern Crusades against Muslims, like the "reconquest" of Spain, like a Chinese Jesus waging one of the bloodiest wars in history, like enslaving or wiping out native Americans that wouldn't convert, Orthodox Russians force converting pagans and Muslims and Jews, etc. Force converting was almost everywhere Christians ruled, on an ongoing grand scale, for centuries. Grasping at what this one Muslim ruler did here, or that this happened to this single Christian there, isn't actually evidence that the overall spread was the same. That there aren't endless accounts from almost everywhere Muslims ruled, and that you have to grasp at little anecdotes, is actually evidence the overall spread wasn't the same. And, again, simply pointing out a fact, isn't arguing that tons of bloody conquests, or any brutal rulers, were some noble utopia, or apologize for anything they actually did do.
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  2865.  @seandoyle296   Are there lists with Europeans considered to be superior chattel slaves, in the Americas, or were they not at all on chattel slave lists? Is there an example of blacks being considered inferior, and used as chattel slaves, in just Spanish controlled Americas, or was it also in the British controlled Americas, the France controlled Americas, the Dutch controlled Americas, the Portuguese controlled Americas? Were natives considered inferior in one European empire's colony in Africa, the Americas, East Asia, the South Pacific, or in pretty much all of those colonies, for hundreds of years? Were there black Christian rulers ruling over major parts any Christian empires, like there were black Muslims ruling over major parts of Islamic empires? Were there Africans or natives even being made governors, or generals? The Zanj rebellion wasn't even a black slave only rebellion, and black slaves might not have even been the majority of rebels. It included Beduins and Bahrani, who were Muslim. It included Basra peasants, who were Muslim. It included previously, or partially, freed slaves, of various races, who were Muslim. They were led by a free Muslim man, who was largely Arab, with a grandmother that was a freed slave, who preached the extreme egalitarian philosophy of previous Kharijite rebels, the first Muslim sect, who had also operated out of Basra. The rebels were also, themselves, quite brutal, slaughtering and burning villages. Your rebellion totals are for both sides, dumb dumb, and the side you're claiming them all on wasn't all black, maybe not even a majority black. Not to mention, that said rebellion led to Islamic empires no longer using large concentrations of slave labour, which kind of f*cks up your bullshit samesies narrative. Even in that brutally authoritarian area of a single Muslim empire, the very fact that many of them were previously freed, or partially freed, slaves, indicates they weren't practicing endless chattel slavery. I'm doubting you even know what that term means, since you keep comparing things that weren't it, to it. It means someone being property for their entire lives. It means their children being property from birth, even if it's a white man's child, for their entire lives. And so on, and so on, generation after generation. Even within that same empire, there were also prominent black Moors in positions of power in parts of it. I have no clue where you're getting the idea that white Christian European nobility would be fine with black Christians ruling over them, or power sharing with black Christians, or even for it to be common to have black Christians amongst their governing administrations. And that's the only possible idea you could possibly have, to think the two were equally racist. Brutality doesn't debunk manumission. Spaniards eradicated entire islands of its people, brought in tons of slaves, cared less if they died as they were constantly bringing in more ... plus weren't commonly freeing them, on top of that. You don't think there were any land deaths, or camp deaths, prior to shipping slaves west? There were also millions shipped to Asian and African markets, by Atlantic slave traders. South Africa was largely uninhabited. They imported a ton of slaves. And European slave traders weren't, at all, capturing Europeans to be slaves, while Muslims like Barbary pirates did. Why? Because their chattel slavery was entirely race based, ffs, while the non chattel Muslim slavery, hierarchy or not, wasn't entirely race based, didn't have a chattel category for people of certain races you didn't even consider human. Christian nations also had non racist debt slavery, political slavery, and criminal slavery, on top of their purely race based chattel slavery. Many of them were treated very poorly, but were released if they made it through their time served. Australia was founded on that kind of non race based non chattel slavery of criminals ... while they were almost entirely eradicating the black natives, because they were racist as f*ck. But hey, some Muslim guy made a hierarchy list, so samesies. Oh geezus. Yeah, Christians also converted slaves ... on top of force converting all of Europe, Russia, people in numerous colonies ... samesies.
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  2879. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  2890. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  2908.  @TheOldSchoolGamer93  The difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is that Muslims didn't simply stick a new new testament after the first two. It rewrote the whole thing, and left out many things they considered to have been inserted by man, into the first two, including a bunch of the worst laws from the OT/Tanakh. You have to get into the Hadiths, which aren't used by all (somewhat like Catholic catechisms), for it to get as nasty as the OT/Tanakh. It was actually the more tolerant, of the 3, for about 1300, of its 1600 years, until the Ottoman Empire was carved up, by Christian nations, and parts handed off to more extreme Muslims. Since then, part of the problem with being a more moderate Muslim, is that it also went with being somewhat more leftist. Christian nations, especially the UK and US, didn't like that. One, or both, supported ... a coup in Syria, when their democratically elected government voted against a pipeline ... a coup in Iran, when their democratically elected PM wanted to nationalize their oil ... a coup in Iraq, when their popular revolutionary leader, who had overthrown the Brit's puppet king, proposed nationalizing their oil ... religious extremists in Afghanistan, when Communist Muslims overthrew the Brit's puppet king, and wanted to do horrible things, like extend women's rights to all women, not just the rich. For 1300 years Jews lived amongst Muslim nations, in relative peace. They were given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed the earliest form of Zionsim, which was closer to just immigration. Zionist fanatics returned the favor with colonialism, terrorism (Irgun and Lehi), and occupation. Similarly, to the US and UK above, Netanyahu promoted, and helped transfer money to, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization project, which is based on further religious nuttery. So, it's not exactly as straight forward as Islam includes the other two, so it is as bad as them, plus more. The earlier two are partly responsible for the current versions of Islam, and the nations ruled by it. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Women there fight to keep abortion rights, like in the US. Homosexuality there has never been illegal, because they carried over Ottoman law, which had decriminalized it before a lot of Christian nations did, or while some were still considering it a form of insanity. TL:DR ... Relationship Status: It's complicated.
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  2912.  @jdelapaz14  "Russiagate" ... is that where Democrats, Republicans like Mueller and Romney, the FBI (which been run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to get Mike Pence made president? Lol. Russia having bot farms and sharing information with Dumpty's team is pretty straight forward. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2013. There have been dozens of no fault UN investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses. There have been dozens of healthcare worker witnesses. There have been multiple NGO witnesses, including Doctors Without Borders. There are multiple legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. That investigation wasn't even started until after Israel, the US, the UK, and others had already started bombing Syria. The final report didn't come out until almost a year later. Plus, it was an initial no fault investigation, that didn't even assign blame. The report wasn't used as a reason to bomb Syria. There was another chemical weapons attack just the month before, which had both a no fault investigation and a blame assigning investigation, with zero dissenting opinions, that blamed Syria. The US, and others, could just as easily use that one as some retroactive justification. Dore is the one spouting a nutty conspiracy, that all of the above are in cahoots to lie about Syrian chemical weapons use. Syria actually using chemical weapons is pretty straight forward.
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  2920.  @A_Derpy_NINJA  You clearly don't know Dore's "argument" for promoting Trump as the better option than Clinton. He agreed Trump was worse, agreed he was a raving fascist, but claimed letting the psycho win would lead to a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would result in progressives "for sure" taking the house in 2018 (wrong), taking the senate in 2018 (wrong), and the presidency in 2020 (wrong). He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republican lawmakers would join the left in voting against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). To argue Clinton would have been worse is both completely moronic and not, at all, what Dore argued. And, Dore thinking to let him win, again, after all his predictions were wrong, and after Trump helped kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, is psychotic. Did you know there's a big world out there, beyond the US, and US government agents? Doctors across the world support the vaccine. Peru has had one of, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin, in the world, and also has the highest covid deaths per capita rate, in the world. A large Ivermectin study was pulled from publications, when it was found to be fraudulent, with fabricated and faulty data. Why the need to fabricate results, if it works? Did you know Ivermectin is also owned by a giant pharma company? Dore goes on Tucker to rant and rave about Democrats and progressives, often agreeing with the far right arguments, and Tucker nods along. Dore has never really challenged Tucker, or his audience, about anything.
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  2923. ​ @X7Excalibur  You seriously want to use a "nobody wants them" argument, when Jewish people are involved in the equation, and make out like that's the fault of the unwanted? Jordan has 3m Palestinians, btw. There are hundreds of thousands more, in other neighboring countries. Turkey had over 3m Syrian refugees. How about maybe stop making ME refugees? How many people did the Irgun and Lehi assassinate? Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2955.  @X7Excalibur  Did I say a theocracy was progressive? Do they have freedom of religion? No and no. The West carved up a more moderate Muslim empire, and handed bits of it to religious extremists. They've backed coups against more moderate, and more democratic, Muslim governments and politicians, who happened to also lean a bit to the left economically (nationalizing oil, voting against a pipeline, or whatnot). They backed religious extremists to take over Afghanistan. They've backed theocratic Saudi as it has spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam around the world. Then they turn around and bitch and whine about Muslims being too extreme or conservative, and go blow up hundreds of thousands of them. It's insane. And, someone like Harris is an apologist for US interventions, and blames it all on the religion. He's an idiot. He has sounded like an ISIS leader, claiming there is a one true version of Islam, and those who don't follow that aren't "real" Muslims. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Homosexuality has always been legal in Turkey, because it was made legal in the Ottoman Empire, at a time when many Western nations still considered it illegal, or considered it a mental disorder. European women travelling in the Ottoman Empire had reported that they thought women there had more rights than in Europe. Today, women in Turkey protest against similar stuff as American women, when conservatives are in power. Of all the Abrahamic religions, Islam allowed for freedom of religion, first. They also used to be leaders in math and science. The west has helped many Muslim nations go backwards, rather than forwards. In some cases, helped them become worse than ever before. That's partly why there are Muslims who aren't "normal" 2021 people. And, no, that's not blaming the west for creating extremists, from scratch. But, if you install extremists, support extremists, support the spread of extremism, remove moderates, suppress moderates, etc., then you've helped create a more extremist environment.
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  3028. ​ @jds614 Absolute bullshit. Zionists knew exactly how things would play out, and they did it anyway. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ... "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system." Likud was founded by Irgun terrorist Menachem Begin, child murderer, Palestinian Jew murderer (because they didn't support Zionism) ... and Ariel Sharon, war criminal who massacred Palestinian villages. Their platform ... "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." All evidence points towards Netanyahu still aiming for that goal.
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  3034. ​ @Cheesesteakfreak  Sam is an idiot. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3099.  @knukkaboom4491  You're a moron. It's right in the word, dummy. "Feudalism" comes from the old Germanic word "fihu", which means "cattle". "Fihu" is also where the word "fee" comes from. Sure, there was a variety of bartering, but there was a standard ... the cow. Just like ten dimes is worth the standard dollar, ten chickens might be worth the standard cow. Early feudal lords were, effectively, cattle barons of old. Like the dimwit you are, you jumped straight into nations, with laws, skipping over the earliest feudalism, with no minted coins, with no kings, without even a unified nation, well outside Rome, amongst Germanic tribes. A family would settle land, the family head would be owner, the family would grow, the settlement would grow, but still be considered to be the head's property, the head would pass it down to an eldest son, just like centuries of inheritance, and also perfectly okay in an ancap environment. The settlement might grow to attract other settlers, but they'd still be considered to be living on the head of the family's property. He could charge them rent, make them pledge loyalty, make rules, whatever he wanted, for the right to live on his property. All perfectly fine in an ancap environment. If they had a property dispute with a nearby clan, they'd settle it with their private armies. If you got sick of the other clan, maybe you'd just go outright conquer their settlement, and claim it as your own. There's no oversight, or legal system, saying there's anything wrong with that in an ancap environment. Now you privately own two settlements, so maybe you stick a close family member, or friend, in as manager of your other settlement. Then maybe you add another, and another, etc. All perfectly legal, because there is no law above you in an ancap environment. Etc. Etc. Etc. Until you've got a large enough group of settlements, to declare yourself a king of something ... the Angles, the Franks, ... whatever. Absolute monarchies are complete private ownership of an entire region. The private owner can make whatever rules (laws) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can charge whatever price (rent, tax) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can mint his own money, with his face on it, good inside his privately owned nation. The private owner can hire a private policing force, to enforce the rules for living on his private property. Etc. So you shut down the government, and turn the US ancap ... what's to stop giant corporations from hiring large private armies and throwing their weight around? What's to stop the rich from hiring small private armies, and throwing their weight around?
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  3148. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  3236. These super rich shits, living off stocks, aren't paying as much in taxes, as you make out. It is the lesser rich, with large taxable annual incomes, paying most of the 1%'s taxes. Nobody needs billionaires to continue existing, just to pay taxes. The rest of your argument was about them going to trickle down their wealth, by creating more businesses, jobs, and other bullshit, which they aren't really doing. Their wealth increased by $1.7t over the pandemic. Where's the $1.7t in new businesses, raised wages, expanding current businesses, charities, etc.? They need consumers with money, to exist. Plenty more taxes in other countries, and they keep their businesses there. Nothing you blathered changes the fact that property taxes tax property, annually, not on sale, when the value is realized. Nor did you change the fact that "property tax" used to tax all property, and was effectively a kind of wealth tax, which worked just fine, before income taxes. Why would it lower the value of the stock? It would put more stock up for sale, each year, and the value would depend on demand. It would be a way for others, including retirement plans, to buy more of the stock. Inflation doesn't simply magically rise with money supply, all on its own, dimwit. People with more money want to buy more stuff. Instead of keeping prices the same and increasing supply to meet the new demand, businesses raise the prices until demand drops to meet supply. The problem was, first, allowing for supply to drop so much, during the pandemic, and giving more money to businesses than consumers. If they had given the money to consumers, they would have kept demanding stuff from businesses, who would have then kept up supply. If you hand the money to businesses, then they get paid for not having to sell/supply anything, and they can let supply drop. You're basically arguing that people need to be paid shit, so they can't demand more.
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  3298. ​ @rs72098  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3397.  @michaelpeyton5730  Sounds like you don't know how C-16 actually works. You probably got your info from lying Peterson. In the US, you can get charged, or sued, for threatening, defaming, verbally harrassing, etc., an individual. However, you can basically say whatever you want about an entire group of people, like promoting that all gays should be killed. That's crazy. All of those laws protecting individuals, plus things like conspiracy to commit, and incitement, are anti-speech laws, even in the US. No country has unlimited free speech. There's no such thing in existence. Never has been. Hate speech laws, in Canada, basically treat that kind of speech, against groups, the same as it applies to individuals. C-16 basically makes it clear, that trans are protected, under those laws. You can't get charged, for accidentally using the wrong pronoun, or anything like that. But, repeatedly using the wrong pronoun, intentionally, can be considered rising to a level of harassment, much like your boss, or teacher, calling you "dickhead" everyday. People can more easily understand that "dickhead" is harassment, but less so that intentionally using the wrong pronoun is. The law clarifies things. That same law, btw, was already in place, at the provincial level, in multiple provinces, for years, including the province JP worked and lived in. And yet, he had zero examples, to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. There are still zero examples to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. He had been working under that law, for years, so when he made his "alpha" claim, that he'd use whatever pronouns he wanted ... that seemed to coincide with the law, for all those years.
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  3461.  @WanderingIdiot81  Man, you're dishonest. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. She has always been friends with, and supported, Cori. The issue with that primary was politics, and the fact that Clay had signed onto the Green New Deal, so she didn't give her official endorsement and donation to Cori until the general. I get that Dore knobs don't care about burning bridges, but if Clay had won, AOC would still want that GND vote. In what reality do you think Manchin, and the other dipshit senators, would change their minds? If the senate and house disagree, then the bill goes to house-senate negotiation. Manchin could have offered concessions, and lowered the minimum to $10 (as some Republicans had proposed), to pick up enough Republican votes to ignore the squad. Where can the squad get extra votes from, if they lose Manchin's vote? There is the entire Republican party for Manchin to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of the party. There are zero extra votes to the left of the party. They don't have anywhere close to the same amount of power and leverage. Because corporate Dems outright running against M4A isn't enough? Them not signing onto the bill isn't enough? Again, FTVers proved they're pathetic useless hypocrites. They've already shown that they don't actually value getting a vote and getting a list of no voters. FTV was a complete sham. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. Not sure what other squad members asked for, but Pelosi did give AOC a shot at that committee seat she wanted. Those who voted, stabbed her in the front exactly because she had fought them and backed progressives against them in the primaries. Dore knobs then stab her in the back, falsely claiming she isn't fighting, even lying that she didn't back progressives in the primaries. She, and Bernie, were just backing Nina, campaigning for her, promoting M4A while they were at it, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Meanwhile, Dore abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and then slandered AOC and Bernie, claiming they were the ones who abandoned M4A. He's a dishonest grifter.
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  3469. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  3484. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  3496. ​ @danielarista1352  Israel is objectively the aggressor, btw, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3520.  @SMP1993  So you're expanding the issue from not just one person, and not even the original 4 person squad, or the new 7 person squad, but beyond the squad to some 14 persons. That the progressive caucus could have done something, or 14 of them could do something, is a different argument than the squad, or AOC, being able to do much of anything. The progressive caucus definitely screwed up, and the squad called out those who voted for the bill. Just so we're clear ... some Dems actually do want to pass some things, including Biden? It's not like they don't care if nothing passes? Because, calling bills "must pass" entirely rests on the premise they actually want to accomplish something, unlike the majority of Republicans who just want to tank everything. Dore knobs often then turn around and make out like corporate Dems and Republicans are samesies, which makes the "must pass" argument incoherent. So, you think that if there was a 14 person squad, and they could threaten to block the bill, then Biden would get involved and pressure Manchin? So, does Manchin care if the bill tanks, or no? If not, why would he care what Biden says? If yes, what makes you think he'd move left, instead of simply making some other concessions to Republicans, to get a few more of them on board, for "bipartisanship"? His entire argument was that he didn't want a bill that had only Democrat support. Why would he suddenly move in a direction that would lose him his Republican friends' votes? Then you'd have to increase your squad numbers even more, and I still don't understand why you think Manchin wouldn't just amend the bill even further right. If Pelosi, or the DNC, are getting AOC to campaign for Nina, and getting her to help get Cori, Bowman, and Mondaire, get elected, then maybe they aren't so bad. Or, maybe, just maybe, she isn't doing their bidding, and they are pretty bad.
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  3523. Then they're Nazi apologists. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3587. ​ @tonywilson4713  I suggest you instead see his first video on Israel-Palestine, after Oct 7, in which he threw anyone wanting to provide context under the bus with people outright cheering the attack. He didn't want anyone explaining anything Israel had done, prior to Oct 7, but then went on to explain what Israel would do, in turn, as if they were the defender, just like Piers Morgan. The only things I've really seen him criticize is turning off electricity, and bombing one refugee camp. His peace plan is very adamant about needing to remove Hamas, but not nearly as adamant about needing to remove Likud. Likud's "between the sea and the Jordan" platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  3612. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  3615.  @adamronengorlovitzki3350  Zionists colonized Palestine. Zionist terrorists, Irgun and Lehi, massacred Palestinian civilians. Partition was forced on the Palestinian majority, against their will. Even after partition, the non-Jewish population, of the colonialist Zionist portion, was over 100k more than the Jewish population. Zionists ethnically cleansed about 700k of them, and never let them return. To believe that Zionists had zero intention to ethnically cleanse them would require believing that they had zero intention to create a Jewish state, which is ridiculous. Those terrorists were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies, when Zionists did declare their ethno-state. The leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud. Israelis elected those terrorist leaders as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq. Netanyahu has proven he intends to keep that promise. All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by every relevant international body. Likud continues to use the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank ... Move settlers into native territories, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, the poor "innocent" colonialist settlers cry about being attacked by "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, then bombs the hell out of it, when there's an uprising. With partition forced on the majority, ethnic cleansing of Israel's actual non-Jewish majority, and the fact that Israel, the occupier, has actual authority over all Palestine territories and the Palestinians within, but doesn't let them vote for their occupying party ... Israel is actually about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Yes, Israel is a fascist state.
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  3664. I think you're looking for the morons who are both anti-Israel and anti-Ukraine, because they're simply anti-USA. This is a both anti-Russian colonialism, and anti-Israeli colonialism channel. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3676. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3694.  @jakeroper1096  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3713.  @tn2378  Campbell was wrong to state that UK numbers could indicate what was going on in other countries. The US excess mortality is higher than the covid deaths. If you're going to take it at face value, like that, then the US is undercounting covid deaths. But, you can't really take excess mortality at face value. You have to calculate all the pluses and minuses for other causes of death, to find out if the covid deaths are over, or under, counted. All the mask wearing, etc., could have reduced deaths, due to other viruses. The lockdowns could have reduced deaths due to work related accidents. That second number, is the official number, used by the government and media. It's deaths with covid listed as the cause. Unless, you go through and do the excess mortality calculations, nothing really refutes this number. There's nothing incompatible with the first and second numbers, unless you really breakdown the excess mortality and show that they are. Campbell also misrepresented the third number. It said, on the paper, "with covid", not that covid "contributed" to the death. The other video, that Matt mentions, shows how a cause of death report is filled out. Putting covid in the bottom section doesn't mean covid "contributed" to the death, just that they had covid. Putting covid in the top section means covid was considered to have contributed to the death (which is the second number). The difference between the second and third number means some 20k people, that had covid, died of other things, and the covid wasn't listed as contributing to the death. There's nothing incompatible with the second and third numbers. And, Campbell making out like the government and media haven't been reporting that comorbidities increase your odds of dying, all along, was pure bullshit.
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  3762. ​ @jamessilver6429  He's an idiot. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3770.  @michaels8620  Calling something "performance art" isn't the same as calling it "stupid". It's just a factual description of what it would have been. In no reality would it have passed. There's already a historical record of those who won't cosign, plus a historical record of committee members who sat on the bill, after Pelosi introduced it, all last session. Likewise, for this session. So, it would have been purely for show, right? "Performance art" is exactly not a hill worth dying on. If you do it, cool. If you don't, whatever. As soon as a certain someone (that you don't want to mention, on a video about a guy spewing that someone's talking points) turned it into a purity test, slandering anyone who didn't immediately jump on board a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", etc., he turned a lot of people off. Part of any good plan is the ability to sell that plan to others, especially those you want to implement the plan. He who shall not be named was a horrible salesman, and his sales team was equally horrible. I think it's less about staying on someone's good side, and more about not feeling it's worth slandering them over it. The party speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority of the Dem caucus. The entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to be able to pick the party speaker candidate. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over and over, or someone worse. All you'd be doing is paralyzing the house, for an indefinite period of time, until a speaker was elected. For what, exactly? What happens when the progressive caucus does get the 15, or so, more seats needed to become the majority of the Dem caucus? You've started an all out intra party war, and they do the same thing, to you. Then what? The only way to actually pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress to be able to pass the bill. While he who shall not be named was slandering AOC and Bernie for abandoning M4A, as he himself abandoned Nina Turner, they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Bernie, Justice Dems, and AOC, have done more for M4A in a few years, than he has in his entire lifetime.
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  3773. ​ @selvamthiagarajan8152  You don't agree with reality? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3787. ​ @MarkMayhew  First wrap your brain around who the actual aggressor is. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3866.  @gnubbiersh647  Because there's no moral issue, if nobody cares. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant. Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people. The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans. They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense. The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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  3867.  @gnubbiersh647   Because there's no moral debate, if the person you're debating doesn't actually care. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant. Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people. The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans. They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense. The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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  3895. Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're not very bright. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3896.  @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're a little slow. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3897.  @gnubbiersh647   Take 3 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with one brain cell. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3898.  @gnubbiersh647  Take 4 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3899.  @gnubbiersh647  Take 5 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3900.  @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many other examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that haven't won anything? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  3967. Anti-Nazi didn't equate to anti-German, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3980. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  3995.  @treeman5274  Is California controlled by progressive Democrats, or are you pretending all Democrats are samesies? If the later, then it seems like you have the uninformed opinion. I wouldn't suggest that any corporate Dems need to be replaced, if I expected them to pass M4A. If you think I've said corporate Dems don't need replacing, then you have serious reading comprehension problems. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. If you think the third party route is the quickest route to getting M4A, then you're clearly delusional. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus, with M4A on their platform, is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped replace a few more corporate Dems. The M4A bill has the most cosponsors it has ever had. Aaaannnd ... Dore and his knobs want to start from scratch with zero seats, zero bills submitted, zero amendments added, and zero votes on even a single bill. Such genius level political moves are hard to comprehend. Did Pelosi get AOC to use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, did she get AOC to back Nina Turner? If so, maybe Pelosi isn't so bad. If not, then maybe making out like AOC is in her pocket is complete bullshit. Ah, so "real" progressives don't want to fund the Global Fund to fight AIDS, TB, and Malaria, that has helped save an estimated 38m lives. Got it. Didn't AOC, Omar, Khanna, and other Dems, join Rand Paul, and other Reps, in urging Dumpty to follow through with his pledge to pull out of Syria and Afghanistan? Biden finally pulled out of Afghanistan, and Dore was bitching about it.
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  4002.  @ynemey1243  He didn't make a video supporting Nina in the 6 months leading to the election, he and his wife let everyone know they had stopped donating to Nina, and he encouraged people to never vote for someone running as a Democrat ever again. How the hell does that not equate to abandoning her? Justice Democrats have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems with progressives. That increases the number of M4A yes votes in congress. AOC helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. And, if you were wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. The M4A marchers could have gone to Nina rallies, to also support adding another M4A yes vote to congress, but they also abandoned her. And then Dore slandered AOC, saying she and Bernie had abandoned M4A. Bernie also campaigned for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It's just a fact that they've all done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. It's just a fact that he slanders them. It's simple math, that a third party is a losing strategy, and would benefit Republican most. Let's say you got everyone currently in the progressive caucus to run for your progressive third party and they managed to win the same number of seats. That'd be 94 seats in the house and 1 (Bernie) seat in the senate. Trump would have won the presidency, with Dem and progressive votes split between Biden and Bernie in the general instead of the primary. Republicans would control the senate with Pence as the tie breaker. In the house, Republicans would hold a plurality and only need a handful of the most conservative Dems to work with them to pass whatever they wanted and completely ignore the progressive third party. Even a successful progressive third party would benefit Republicans most. It's just math. And, the actual reality is that the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. You could be talking a century to even win one seat. It's a delusional fantasy. Progressives would gain more power by simply getting the 15 more seats the progressive caucus needs to become the majority of house Dems, than they would getting 100 seats as a third party. I don't think you know what a "strawman" is.
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  4005.  @Unfamous_Buddha  Where am I losing you? Tea party pressure also can from giant corporate donors, pushing the party further right. Are corporate Dems' corporate donors pressuring them to be more progressive? No. I'm not talking about amounts. I'm talking about what their donors are pressuring them to do. The Tea Party had become the majority of the Republican caucus by the time they had another party speaker vote. It wasn't some tiny minority taking over the party. And, again, if old school Republicans really wanted to get around the tea partiers, all they had to do was work with democrats to pass bills without needing tea party votes. I get it. You morons don't actually care that Democrats are in danger of losing the house in 2022. You'd prefer to see progressives in a minority party, and see Republicans become the majority. Learn some basic math. It is impossible to pass a bill without Manchin, because there are zero extra votes to the left of the party, if you lose his vote. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and get extra votes from, if you lose a progressive vote. It is possible to pass bills without the squad by moving a bill to the right and picking up Republican votes. The squad refusing to sign bills could actually push legislation to the right. Unlike the old school Republicans, corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, as the likes of Manchin keeps saying. The $15 got a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote. Wasn't just getting a vote on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Wasn't getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Apparently not. Dore knobs are pathetic useless hypocrites and have proved that ftv was a sham. Instead of going after the no voters, they just keep bitching about those who voted for it. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill last session. It died in committees, where 90% of bills die. She has already reintroduced the bill this session. It's sitting in committees. Instead of slandering and bitching about people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, why not try pressuring committee members to take up the bill?
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  4050.  @ph6794  You're cheering on the aggressor? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  4068. ​ @AOLAmericaOnline  Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  4078. Facts: Followers of Ze'ev Jabotinsky formed the Irgun and Lehi Zionist terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian men, women, children, and even Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. The Lehi were considered even more extreme, tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain, continued fighting the British during WWII, and assassinated British diplomats. Those terrorist groups opposed partition for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized at all, while the terrorists wanted to colonize it all. Those terrorists committed massacres, rape, and torture, during partition violence. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel, to cover up that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah. Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. The leaders of those terrorist groups formed Likud, and both leaders were elected as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Zionism = colonialism, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, an ethno-state, occupation, and operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Or, in other words, Nazism.
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  4138.  @michaelernest7224  Yeah, Likud (founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists) seems like it has totally been on board with Palestinian independence ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  4166.  @emgtexas  And I have tried to be respectful as all you've basically argued is that your g0d has incomprehensible magical thinking. Zero logical thought to actually solving the problem. According to Genesis 2, it took the dmwt g0d creating all the animals and birds in existence, before figuring out Adam might like another human being to help him. The dmwt g0d, knowing full well that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam was doomed to fail, and that he'd have to start over with Earth 2.0 and Noah, still went ahead with Earth 1.0. He could have just started with Noah, and Earth 2.0, in the first place. Etc. The biblical g0d isn't described as exceptionally bright, or good. Pretty much just a ruthless dcttr. If other beings can exist without requiring that g0d creating them, then what's your basis for claiming other g0ds can't also exist? "Middle aged"? He had just created them. There's no indication they had lived in the garden very long, at all. Plus, they were totally innocent, not knowing good or evil. They were child-like. Their father, never even warned them to avoid talking snakes. Rofl! You believe your all powerful g0d let things go down a road he didn't intend? Again, if he knew the Adam and Eve he was about to create, would get hoodwinked, then he could have chosen to make the smarter, chosen to give them some kind of innate sense that talking snakes are bad, chosen to give them unshakable wills, ... The possibilities are limitless, aren't they? You're turning your g0d into a lame duck ... Just had no ability to do things any other way. And yet, you haven't given a single realistic scenario that disproves it. I know the version Adam I am about to create will fail. I have the ability to create an infinite number of other versions, some amount of which would never fail. I have the power to toss the snake across the universe. I have the power to hide the tree across the universe. I still create the scenario, and version of Adam, that I know will fail. How is there any possibility of Adam not failing, once created? If there's no possibility for Adam to do otherwise, once created, then he never had an actual choice.
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  4167.  @emgtexas  You said there could possibly be other powerful beings in existence that didn't require a g0d to create them. How can you then claim there can't possibly be other g0ds? If you've thrown away the core ... this one g0d created everything argument ... while still including the existence of magical beings, then you've opened things up to infinite possibilities. Adam and Eve had just been created. There's zero indication they were "middle aged", especially mentally. They were completely mentally innocent, not knowing good and evil, like little children. And yet, you've given zero realistic scenarios, that actually get around the problem. Your main argument is the good old, "g0d works in mysterious ways", you can't know how a g0d thinks, garbage. His thinking process is described, multiple times, in the Bible, and he's not described as being exceptionally bright. Scenario: A and B are planning to prank C, by A jumping out and startling C, while B videos it. Not long before the planned prank, B receives a text, from himself, from the future. It's the video of what happens. It shows C severely overreacting, tripping, falling down a flight of stairs, landing badly, and no longer living. If B does nothing, and remains an observer/recorder, things will go exactly the same way. A will never not startle C, and C will never react differently. If B truly does not want C to be unalived, they have the power to change the scenario. It's absolutely ridiculous, to claim g0d wanted any other outcome than the one he got. An all powerful being could have changed the scenario in any number of ways. Now, let's say B is actually a g0d, who created C. That means C didn't get traits through genetics or upbringing. C was created, by B, to be high strung and to overreact. Unless B changes their created tendencies, C will always react the way they reacted in the video. Even if B didn't want to change the scenario, B could design C differently, so that they don't overreact. If B changes nothing, C can't possibly do anything other than what was shown in the video from the future. In a debate about free WILL, you've argued WILLpower has nothing to do with it, which makes no sense. It has everything to do with it. If Adam never possessed enough will to resist temptation, then he never had the option to react differently. G0d both could have created a stronger Adam, and could have created a different scenario.
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  4191.  @emgtexas  Rofl. Ironic opening, considering the fact that Satan "choosing" is irrelevant to the point I made, dingus. The point was that your god could have chosen not to create him, if he really wanted Adam to succeed, and if he was all powerful enough to change the vision of the future he saw. Apparently you're arguing your god is not all powerful, and apparently you are too thick to grasp any points being made. Yeah, that takes willpower, dingus, which he didn't have enough of. The entire premise of the story was that they didn't know good from evil, right from wrong. He chose to leave two innocent, ignrnt, effectively children, that he knew would fail, that he knew he hadn't given the proper skills to, alone with Satan and a tree that would curse them and their descendants for all eternity. But, apparently you're now arguing your God didn't have a choice. That he's not all powerful. That the future he sees is set in stone, and he can't deviate from it. Yeah, the circle is because you haven't solved the problem, dingus. How can someone who doesn't exist make an actual choice? Or, how can someone who now exists chose to do something differently than what God saw, prior to creating them? Constantly repeating that God can see the future, when that's already a given, means you're as sharp as a spoon. Even a god's morality would be based on their own subjective likes and dislikes. Your god wasn't required to create pigs, make them tasty, and then declare it immoral to eat them. He felt like it.
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  4196.  @emgtexas  The point at issue, is prior to the creation's existence and any actual decisions it could make. It doesn't exist. If you say there's an existing future Adam, making actual decisions, then Adam doesn't need creating. If you say an uncreated, non existent, Adam can make decisions, then you're arguing for the logically impossible. No creation or the logically impossible ... which is it? And yet, you keep arguing your god does have limits, by claiming the future he sees is a fixed actual future, and not simply a possible future. If Satan sits down and bets God that he can make Job deny him ... then God looks into the future, if Satan's suggestion is accepted, and sees that Job would pass the tests (abuse, suffering, and mrdr) ... Could your god have chosen not to pointlessly trtr Job? Was the future seen only one possibility, or was it the one and only fixed future and your god incapable of choosing to do otherwise? In the end, your god chose to allow for the pointless suffering, just so he could win a bet. Do you think there's some big difference between Thor and Spock? Now you're arguing your god has limits, again. If your god isn't subjectively picking and choosing whatever he thinks is moral or immoral, then what ... is some outside influence making him? Does he not have the ability to choose whatever he likes? Love is subjectivity. Like is subjectivity. Yes, I know I like pizza. It being an objective fact that I subjectively think pizza is good, doesn't magically make it an objective fact that pizza is good.
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  4219. @emgtexas  If it's possible to have both limits and free will, then you don't need to have limits to evil removed, to have free will, exactly like I said. Already been over this, but you argued against it. Now you're arguing for it. Then you'll argue against it. Then for, then against. You are just about the most inchrnt theist I've ever run across. It also refers to snakes as just snakes many times in the Bible. You haven't got there? You didn't even manage to finish only 2 pages about the tree and eating the fruit? He cursed snakes to forever slither on the ground and get under the heel of women. Rofl. "Ambrosia" is an immortality giving food or drink, in Greek mythology. Does the tree of life produce fruit that grants immortality? Yes. Then, it's an ambrosia tree. An all powerful god could just make them immortal, or remove that immortality, by thought. The tree is completely pointless. Just something borrowed from other mythologies, like much of the OT. He had absolutely no reason to punish them. Your all knowing god would have actually known that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam, would completely fail, and that he'd begin all over with Earth 2.0, starting with Noah. There was absolutely no good reason for anything, no point to anything, prior to Noah, in that fairytale. Being all powerful, he could have seen his failure of a creation, changed his mind, and started with Noah instead. He chose failure. Rofl. God is depicted as not being very intelligent, in the Bible, and also mad. Did you read how he kept trying to create companions for Adam, and then finally decided on creating Eve for him? If your god knew all that, before actually creating them, why didn't he just create Eve for Adam from the get go?
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  4220. @emgtexas  Rofl. Genesis 1 and 2 have contradicting orders. You can't use Genesis 1 to claim he already created them. In Genesis 2, the one where the trees and rule come into play, it literally says he made Adam before animals. Then proceeded to make animals, so Adam wouldn't be alone. “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Only then does your god proceed to make animals, looking for a suitable companion, but none are suitable. "But for Adam no suitable helper was found." Only then does your god decide to make Eve for him. You sent me to a video, which literally says only your god has free will. You already lost the debate, so no clue what position you're even arguing now. You've repeatedly pulled complete nonsense out of ... I don't know where, only to back peddle. Your arguments defy logic, and the meaning of words like "created". I've listened, but haven't heard any actual sense. You can't even make it through the 2 whole relevant pages in your own fairytale book, and don't even seem to understand the parts you are reading. You've twice now not understood the order of what it literally says (Eve's words after her gaining knowledge, not before, and animals after Adam). You don't even know that "Allah" is just Arabic for "God". Even Arabic Christians say "Allah". It's the exact same Abrahamic god, not a different god. The same god as the Jewish "Elohim". Sorry to say ... that you're about as sharp as a spoon is just a statement of fact. What's to respect?
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  4223. @emgtexas  You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid the knife, that they will cut themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only your inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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  4224. @emgtexas You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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  4225. @emgtexas   You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why include the ability to do evil in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any brighter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you truly believe that all the stars in the sky could fall to Earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights, within the firmament (dome), as described in Genesis. In actuality, stars are distant suns, and if one got close enough, it would be the Earth that would fall into it, and it would only take one.
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  4242. @emgtexas  I'll mark down "if you" as more little words you don't seem to know the definitions of. You are arguing that nothing existed, for any amount of time, prior to creation. That means your god didn't exist for any amount of time, prior to time existing. So, who created your god, since he has a starting point? Only eternity (infinite time) has no starting, or ending, points. I remember when theists used to claim their god was eternal. Now they're claiming he too has a starting point. Weird stuff. Is he like the Egyptian god Ptah, who nonsensicallly created himself? Water is mentioned before he creates light, and the days start to pass. Before you were arguing there was "THE" Bible. Now you're arguing that, not only are there other versions, but "THE" Bible isn't even translated properly. You can't seem to keep anything straight. The "primordial waters", or "cosmic ocean", represent chaos, from which the creator god (in multiple mythologies) creates order. Calling it a "void" doesn't debunk my argument. Egyptian mythology: "The void itself was described as a primordial body of water out of which rose up a mound shaped like a pyramid—a benben." Only 2 original apostles, and supposed NT writers, claimed to have seen undead Jesus, Matthew and John. The only other supposed writer, to make the claim, was Paul. Absolutely nobody else wrote down their testimony. That's just 3 people, not hundreds. I take it you believe in aliens, since you think alien abduction claims are valid evidence.
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  4248. ​ @barbaraklein3944  The 100 year bloody history of Likud ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  4267.  @Fuwuzworsh  You're the one who replied to me, first, and opened with saying I was strawmanning. How can I strawman you, before ever responding to you? You're incoherent. Nader changed the Democratic party? The only change I saw was that in 2000, they had a presidential candidate running on climate change as the centerpiece of his platform. Obama and Biden have both been to the right of Gore, on that subject. Gore losing pushed them further right. Likewise, instead of bringing about a progressive wave, as Dore claimed a Trump presidency would bring about, everyone went screaming into Biden's arms. It was an Obama presidency, that ended with a progressive movement forming behind Bernie. Sure, Biden is a right winger, and letting Trump win, led to Biden. So, the answer is to let Trump, or DeSantis, win again ... let outright fascists who wanted to overthrow the democratic process win again ... because that'll do what, exactly? There's zero evidence letting Republicans win moves Democrats left. There is decades of evidence showing that, when Republicans move things further right, corporate Dems then meet them in the new "middle". There's evidence that a progressive movement can come after a fairly ineffective Dem presidency, and that repeatedly going outright backwards, with Republicans, isn't necessary. You're both arguing to not vote blue, and then pointing to polls, showing that not voting blue will lead to Republicans winning. Biden simply being ineffective isn't telling people not to vote Dem. You are. You're promoting having a Republican majority, because that'll be sooooo much better.
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  4269.  @Fuwuzworsh  It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the math, or the fact that repeatedly letting Republicans win has accomplished nothing but moving the country further right. Sorry, that you find math and facts "hysterical". Voting Obama, kept McCain and Palin out of office, and led to a progressive movement under Bernie. What did letting Trump win lead to? Where's the massive progressive wave, Dore claimed would "for sure" materialize and take the house, senate, and presidency? Oh right, that was a fantasy. That Dore fantasy, btw, was based on the argument that Trump was so much worse than Clinton, it would cause a bigger backlash (it did) ... that was suppose to be majority progressive (it wasn't). Now, your Dore knob argument is that they're tots samesies. So, you're arguing Dore was an idiot, for thinking Trump was far worse? Either way, it seems he was an idiot. You also seem to be sticking to arguing he's an idiot for saying Dems would rather lose to Republicans, than progressives. Voting Gore would have kept Dubya out of power, and put a president with climate change as their priority, in the white house. Gore and Dubya ... tots samesies. Sticking with Carter would have kept Reagan out of the white house. Carter and Reagan ... tots samesies. Voting blue works both ways, for progressives. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries still tend to vote for them in the general. It helps them win general elections. You want to split that voting, which would mostly help Republicans win generals, based on some fantasy that letting Republicans win is what will make corporate Dems change, when there's zero evidence that is the case. You want progressives to have fewer seats, be in a minority party, or be in an insignificant party with zero seats. Yeah, sounds awesome. Consider the primaries the major battle. It's also the election where there's the most room to increase voter turnout, progressive turnout. If progressives happen to lose, then still vote to keep Republicans out, vote to say you don't want the country moving any further right than a corporate Dem. Rofl, no. Profanity often comes out, when I hear something unbelievably stupid. And, I'm perfectly calm. Your mental telepathy has failed you. Labor force participation isn't the lowest in history. It isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. Consumer confidence isn't the lowest in history. It also isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. You're hysterically making up nonsense. Weird how a "socialist" would actually lie, to try and make Trump look better. Weird how you Dore "socialists" promote things that would benefit Republicans most.
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  4271.  @Fuwuzworsh  Rofl. I don't even like Biden, you dimwitted Dore knob. Trashing him doesn't affect my argument. How is letting Republicans win, a strategy? It's a failed "strategy", that has been repeated, for decades, and has only moved the country further right. Like I said, vote for progressives in the primaries, try to increase progressive voter participation in primaries, when more corporate Dem voters don't come out to vote. It's the best place for progressives to win, not in generals, running as third party candidates. But then, whatever the outcome, vote in the general, to say a corporate Dem is as far right as you're willing to go, to say neutral is better than reverse, to keep whatever progressives there are in the majority party rather than a minority party, and then focus on getting more progressive seats in the next primary. All the evidence points against letting Republicans win being a good "strategy", and shows it causing a Dem shift to the right, not left. All the evidence points towards a progressive movement coming about without needing a Republican in power. All the evidence points towards going third party as being a decades long endeavor, to even win a single seat in congress. The simple math of congress is that a progressive third party would need a majority, to ever be able to pass anything, and that Republicans and corporate Dems could completely ignore them, and pass anything they wanted, otherwise. Dore cites the definition of insanity, but then proposes doing the same thing, that has been happening for decades. Stop letting Republicans win, even if the current Dems kinda suck. Focus on getting corporate Dems out in the next primaries, rather than just letting them lose to Republicans, which has done absolutely nothing but repeatedly moved the country backwards. What projection? I, in no way, ever promoted Trump as being better for progressives than Clinton. I, in no way, promoted going on a far right white nationalist's propaganda show, just to largely agree with a bunch of far right talking points. I, in no way, promoted allying with psycho ancap Boogaloos that want to start a civil war, and would likely be shooting lefties, if that civil war ever came about. I, in no way, promoted abandoning Nina Turner, an ardent supporter of M4A, just because she was running as a Dem. I, in no way, promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). I promote progressives get out and vote during the primaries, getting more progressives in congress, but never letting the country move further right than a corporate Dem. That's called harm avoidance, and I'll take a Chomsky, or Bernie, over a BGJ, any day of the week.
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  4278. If the majority of Republican lawmakers are trying to overthrow the democratic process, ditch any of their members that accept the results, and try to protect themselves by not having an investigation, how is that not a Republican policy? When they still seem to have Trump as their leader, even though he's still spewing that the election was stolen, and others of them have rallies, continuing to spread that nonsense, how is that not Republican policy? If Republican lawmakers, across the country, try to curtail voting, using the same nonsense as grounds, how is that not Republican policy? A perfect illustration of your point is that, since the Dems in the house passed the $15, and since most of the Dems in the senate voted for it, that because it didn't ultimately pass, that's a good reason to let Republicans take the house, senate, and presidency, because ... that'll really show those corporate Dems, that voted against it, what's what? Why didn't letting Trump win show them what's what, after Obama? Why didn't letting Bush win, after Clinton, show them what's what? Why didn't letting Reagan win, after Carter, show them what's what? You seem to having some serious delusion, that doesn't match the reality of the last 50 years, or more. There's absolutely zero evidence, suggesting letting Republicans win, moves corporate Dems to the left. The very fact that a Manchin doesn't give a crap, if he tanks Biden's entire platform, is evidence he doesn't give a crap. He'd probably love losing the progressive wing of the party so he, and his Republican buddies, can pass all the "bipartisan" bills they want, without having to deal with progressives in his party. You say sticking with blue, has gotten the country where it is, but that's not, at all, reality. The majority of voters have not gone out and voted blue, no matter what. Enough voters have stayed home, or voted third party, to let Republicans win over, and over. It is exactly what you're proposing, letting Republicans win again, that has gotten the country where it is. Nothing you've fantasized coming about, by letting Republicans win, has actually come about, any of those times, but you want to let them win again, because maybe this time things will be different. The majority getting out and voting, and sticking with blue, is exactly what hasn't happened. That's actual history. Let me be more clear, I'd pick a Chomsky over a dozen BGJs and Chris Hedges. Neither are anywhere close to his weight class and, quite obviously, the vast majority off progressive voters, don't agree with them, or Dore. I'm blinded? You're the one proposing doing the same thing over, and over, but thinks you're going to get a different result. You're the one following a loudmouth contrarian, who makes out like everyone who disagrees with him is a fake, fraud, or sellout, just like Dumpty. You're the one defending a jagoff who has repeatedly backed the worst healthcare policies, has abandoned adding M4A advocates to congress, but passes himself off as some champion of healthcare, who's leading you down a road to never even winning a seat in congress. The same jagoff who had some grand fantasy about letting Trump win, and absolutely none of his predictions came true, and yet you entertain his new fantasies. The Puritan People's Party is a joke, with one of its main leaders already leaving the "party", because even they weren't puritan enough for him. The Green Party has produced the likes of Kyrsten Sinema. The reality is that you can't possibly get a third party, of any significance, as puritan as you like, or even guarantee a third party won't have corruptible members. Actual history shows that corporate Dems have repeatedly moved right, after letting Republicans win, not left, even after 3 terms (12 years) of Republicans. Just how many years do you have to let Republicans rule, to get corporate Dems to move left, exactly, in your fantasy scenario? The reality of math says that a progressive third party couldn't accomplish much. As long as there are a handful of corporate Dems, like Manchin, willing to work with Republicans, they coukd pass whatever they wanted, without needing a single progressive third party vote. You seem to have more faith in corporate Dems, than I do. I don't think they're very moveable. I think you need to replace them, and I don't see how going third party will ever accomplish that. Justive Dems have replaced more corporate Dems, in just 4 years, than all third parties combined have, in 50 years.
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  4279.  @Fuwuzworsh  What aren't you grasping? Splitting off progressive votes, will allow Republicans to win. That's just math. It is absolutely a historical fact that Republicans have been allowed to win repeatedly, and it hasn't moved the Dems left, in the least. They have been moving right, along with Republicans. What don't you get about them moving more towards the position of those who beat them, not further away from it? Even just talking elections with left leaning challengers, the Green Party is now 20 years old. They have run against them multiple times. They even possibly spoiled two elections. In what way did those election losses move corporate Dems left? They didn't. There's no evidence to support anything you're arguing, and plenty of evidence against it. You're the one spewing falsehoods and fantasy. Oh right, they're all in cahoots, and no politicians, no appointed officials, nor any of their aids, have exposed that they're all in cahoots. One of the tightest lipped conspiracies in history. And, your "evidence" is that, since something you wanted didn't get passed, that they must be in cahoots? I never once argued Biden could be pushed left. You're the idiot arguing corporate Dems can be pushed left. I've argued to replace them. I already stated this, but you either have severe reading comprehension problems, or are completely dishonest, leading to you ironically spewing strawmen, which you erroneously opened complaining about, when I hadn't even addressed you. I'll have to assume the completely dishonest part, at this point. I also haven't budged, to the right. I propose suffering through a corporate Dem majority, until they can be taken out in the primaries. You propose suffering through a Republican majority, and no way of getting rid of them, because voting third party won't get rid of them. You outeight propose entrenching a fascist Republican majority, for some undetermined amount of time, until your fantasy comes to fruition, and then unironically claim I'm the fascist supporter? You're hilarious. Trump was blamed for the current (2020) state of the country, and people went screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms, desperate to be rid of him, so desperate they didn't want to risk voting Bernie. Letting Trump win, having Stein possibly spoil the election, is what Dore promoted, what you are promoting. None of his fantasies came true. There's zero indication yours woukd, either. Your answer would have been to let Trump win, yet again? Because, next time it'll work, for sure. Stop pretending that a Republican, like Reagan, couldn't change all kinds of economic policies, and absolutely destroy the country for working people. It doesn't take a Democrat to pass things. You're making up more fiction, implying it does. You're the one proposing letting "to the right we go" happen, ffs. I'm proposing voters get out and vote not to let that happen. Maybe you do have comprehension problems.
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  4282.  @Fuwuzworsh  Yes, it is possible, hence the fact that there are progressives in congress. DNC shenanigans can't overcome overwhelming numbers. Nina's campaign team, for example, didn't do any canvassing, to get people out to vote. There were hundreds of thousands more potential voters in that district. Barely 70k came out for the primary, and she lost by only 4k. Yes, the corporate Dems, and their allies, threw everything they had, at her, but she had twice as much money, and could have stomped her opponent. Her team blew her money on media ads, and barely spent a dime on canvassing. That's how AOC won her district ... canvassing, canvassing, canvassing ... and barely spent a dime on media ads. Not that it matters to you Dore knobs, since King Jimmy abandoned her ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress ... because that's what "real" M4A supporters do. Hate to tell you, but the "liberal" brand was destroyed, already. And, they didn't do it on their own. Islamophobes started bashing the hell out of "liberals" after 9/11. Republicans always try to convert normal words into insults. Even Dore is using the word like an insult. Why do you still want to use "liberal", for branding? That sounds dumb. Stop pretending like Republicans couldn't get NAFTA done. Reagan had already signed a deal with Canada. Bush Sr was headed for a seperate deal with Mexico. Canadian conservatives then came in late and wanted in, to merge the deals into a 3 way deal. Bush Sr simply ran out of time. The deal was passed by a Republican majority. The majority of Dems voted against it. Stop your fiction. Republicans would have passed it, just fine, without a Dem president. You seriously think NAFTA and Glass-Steagall were worse than the Reaganomics' trickle down myth, and the massive amount of deregulation Reagan pulled off? Reagan had a big hand in destroying the healthcare system, making it so unaffordable, but now healthcare isn't the end all and be all, for you lot. The messaging from Dore, and his knobs, is incoherent. One second anti-war is the end all and be all, and passes are given for shittier healthcare policies, as long as the candidate lies about being anti-war. The next second, healthcare is the end all and be all, and no passes are given, not even for simple strategy disagreement ... anyone who disagrees on strategy is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", blah blah. Now, you're telling me that neither of those is of primary importance. Now, it's a foreign trade deal, and one specific deregulation that are far worse than the tons of deregulation in the 12 years before, far worse than making healthcare unaffordable, far worse than warmongering. Get your priorities in some coherent order. And, maybe add climate change, as a priority. Republicans have repeatedly rolled back environmental protections, and many still pretend like it's not a thing. Republicans wouldn't have even tried to change the healthcare system, at all. The ACA not only flattened the rate prices were increasing yearly, a little, it also added 10m poor Americans to Medicaid expansion. Numerous Republican states opted out of Medicaid expansion, for their citizens. The ACA, in no f*cking way, is more conservative than what there was before, and red states turning down more Medicaid for their poor, sure isn't samesies, let alone anywhere close to being better. I'm pretty sure you're one of Dore's far right fans, at this point. Again, vote blue works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries, tend to vote for them in the generals. It's exactly what every progressive would have wanted, if Bernie had won the primaries. It's how progressives can beat Republicans, in some tighter districts. I get it, "real" progressives don't actually want any progressives in congress, and want Republicans to rule, for decades to come. So very brave of you, to offer up poor people to be thrown of healthcare, and other, benefits. So very brave of you to offer up going completely backwards on climate change. So very brave of you to offer up those targetted by racist and bigoted policies. All for some misplaced faith you have in corporate Dems, changing their ways. If only a leftist third party can spoil an election for them (already possibly happened, twice), then they will see the light (they didn't).
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  4284.  @Fuwuzworsh  No. The fact is that Reagan had already signed a trade deal, with Canada, which was the starting point. The fact is that Bush was working on a seperate trade deal with Mexico. The fact is that it was Canada who then came in and wanted to merge the deals into a three way deal, which pushed negotiations passed the end of Bush's first term. If Bush had a second term, there's zero evidence negotiations would have magically failed and the three way deal wouldn't have gone through as planned. Everything was already in the works, and supported by the majority of Republican lawmakers. There's zero evidence it required a Democrat to finalize the deal. That's totally fiction, on your part. In 1980, US healthcare costs were rising on par with other developed nations. They started spiking before the end of Reagan's time in office. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, that would be less incentive for businesses to move elsewhere. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, people could better afford to weather a drop in property prices. You know Canada also lost some factories to Mexico, right? However, they don't have hundreds of thousands of people going bankrupt over healthcare costs. They don't have tens of thousands of people dying due to a lack of healthcare coverage. They don't have over a million people, like cancer victims traveling to India for chemo, for affordable healthcare. Etc. But hey, no, healthcare is suddenly now way down the list of importance, for Dore knobs. Neutering Glass-Steagall was not directly responsible for the 2008 crash. It was responsible for banks becoming "too big to fail", but had little to do with the housing market. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, was a Republican bill. Almost every single Republican lawmaker voted for it. Why the hell would a Republican president have been unable to sign it into law? Would his hand have magically dropped off, or something, if he tried to sign it? You make zero sense, claiming a Dem president was required, to do this or that. If Republicans wanted to pass it, but somehow couldn't, what was the obstacle? Have you looked at John McCain's voting record, who he picked as a VP, etc.? You clearly don't know what an "ad hominem" actually is. You should refrain from using the term. Nina has been on multiple progressive channels, since her loss. There's zero evidence she still "loves" Jimmy, since he publicly abandoned her. Some video of Jimmy's wife, talking to her sometime before they publicly abandoned her, isn't evidence she still does. Most people aren't fond of being publicly abandoned. She seems to be on the "fake", "fraud", "sellout", progressive channels, rather than his. Seems to indicate she loves those who supported her to the end, more. Again, I'm the one who wants to replace M4A no votes with M4A yes votes. Your the one that doesn't want even a single M4A yes vote in congress, and wants to let Republicans rule for decades to come. You're the one supporting an idiot who promoted tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, as the better option. Republicans are not the party of workers. Their healthcare plan will be out in a couple weeks (repeat this for years). Every single one voted against a national $15 minimum, or it would have passed. You're making up nonsense. Sounding even more like a far right fan, with every post. I know exactly who corporate Democrats are. I'm the one who wants to keep replacing them with more progressives ... force them out ... toss them in a ditch. You're the one actually proposing a fantasy that you can move them left, by letting them lose, even though there's zero evidence of their previous losses moving them left. Again ... blue, no matter who, works both ways, and is how some progressives manage to win their seats. It's the only possible way Bernie could have won a general election. I can only assume you never wanted Bernie to win.
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  4286.  @Fuwuzworsh  Rofl. You say I don't grasp things, but I'm the one, literally, calling them "corporate Dems", and I'm the one who doesn't think corporate Dems are changeable. They need to be replaced. You're the one promoting some fantasy, where they suddenly see the light, and change their ways, after losing an election (which has never happened anytime they've previously lost elections). A cult is when one loudmouth convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any other politicians, any election officials, any judges, any lawyers, any scientists, any doctors, any media ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict the words of their supreme leader. Yeah, the Trump cult is a cult. You're definitely one of Dore's far right fans. There are already vaccine mandates for public school kids. There are already vaccine mandates for immigrants. You have to show ID to drink, drive, smoke, gamble, hunt, fish, carry a gun, etc., etc. The law makes you cover your junk in public. Businesses can require shirts, shoes, suits, ties, or whatever dress code. They can require their own ID, membership. Schools can have dress codes. You're clearly deranged and making a mountain out of a molehill. Did you know that Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 20k total US covid deaths? Instead, it's pushing 800k ... over 700k unnecessary deaths and you're crying about things that have already been going on for decades and decades. Listening to a broad, worldwide, consensus of the vast majority of scientists and doctors, is exactly not like a cult, that hangs on the word of a single, or very few, uninformed dufus. Seems like you're a fan of two cult leaders.
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  4290.  @Fuwuzworsh  Again, like I said, even if the broader progressive caucus isn't puritan enough, for you, a dozen Justice Dems, that don't take any corporate donations, is still an immeasurably better start, than starting from scratch, with a fantasy scenario. As for the broader progressive caucus, a minority doesn't have the power to pass anything they want, they don't have the power to block bipartisan bills that don't need their votes to pass. They can block some highly partisan bills, but that's it. So, if a Manchin doesn't care if that highly partisan bill gets passed, you want to see progressives take an all, or nothing, stance, and likely get absolutely nothing. You want to see mainstream media (mainstream = the media the majority of Americans consume) blaming progressives, over, and over, and over, for nothing getting passed, and think that will benefit progressives? Once again, you show your "bravery", your willingness to sacrifice those without clean drinking water getting clean drinking water; your willingness to sacrifice those without broadband getting broadband; your willingness to sacrifice making even small improvements for the environment and stick to the do absolutely nothing about climate change status quo; your willingness to sacrifice poor families having a hard time paying for childcare getting free childcare; your willingness to sacrifice the elderly, and disabled, getting home care benefits; your willingness to sacrifice the homeless, and those struggling with housing, getting more affordable housing; your willingness to sacrifice hungry children getting food; your willingness to sacrifice those who need hearing aids getting free hearing aids; etc; etc; etc. Your "I'm taking my ball and going home, because I didn't get exactly what I wanted" attitude, is so incredibly "brave". So much better, for the poor, hungry, homeless, elderly, and disabled, to get absolutely nothing, at all, than to get small improvements. Wait ... what? You harped on me about mentioning the mathematical reality of needing a majority, and now your fantasy is to completely replaced the Democratic party with some perfectly perfect puritan progressive party ... which would mean replacing the current majority. You repeatedly argued that you wouldn't need a majority, that you'd just have to make them lose enough, to force them to change (that decades of history doesn't support). Now your fantasy is to not only magically get all progressive votes, but all Democratic party votes? That's pretty ambitious, I must say. Incredibly unrealistic, and you're seeming incoherent, but ambitious nine the less. Yes, they have been challenged by the left, in primaries (when the majority of progressives do their voting), and lost to a number of progressives. Whether you accept there's 100, a dozen, 8, or even 1, progressives in congress, all those numbers are better than zero. If you don't accept there are any, then you're likely too puritan, and unlikely to work with the vast majority of other progressives, to ever accomplish anything. The constitutionality of vaccine mandates have been challenged before. None were found to be unconstitutional. You don't get a vaccine, you can't go to public school, but can go to private school = you don't get a vaccine, you can't go to work, but can start a business from home. The polio vaccine was given to millions of kids within a couple years of it being developed. Phase I testing of current vaccines started over a year ago. In your "expert" opinion, how long does it take, exactly, to deem a vaccine safe? And, actually, the covid mortality rate is about 1%, while the polio paralysis rate is about 0.5%, and the polio mortality rate is about 0.05%. Plus, the polio vaccine is also multiple shots, not just one, and they do keep track of whether your due for a new dose. There are absolutely tons of rules for the road, as well as licensing, safety standards, and insurance requirements, while the automobile accident mortality rate is only 0.25%. Not being allowed to just hop in an uninsured, unsafetied, vehicle, without a license, and go drinking and driving, without a seatbelt, driving at any speed you want, and ignoring whatever lights or signs you want, is so authoritarian, when the mortality rate is so low, am I right? The military are required to get vaccines, and take shots for this, or that, when traveling abroad. All kinds of businesses require you to wear protective gear, for your job and a bunch are mandated by OSHA (no, they didn't pull out, they're awaiting a court decision and, no, a common stay doesn't mean anything has been decided about constitutionality). Seriously, there are a crap ton of rules and laws, in society. The vast majority are no big deal, but have to be followed daily. Also, if you're eating hot dogs, eating fast food (any restaurant food, for that matter, where you're just trusting what's being handed to you), drinking pop or even tap water, taking whatever drugs your doctor prescribes, etc., etc., but then make a big fuss about not knowing exactly what's in a vaccine (that has an ingredients list) that has passed safety standards across the world, then I think you're just a big baby, and babies can't make decisions for themselves, or the community. Only some extreme health nut, who watches everything that goes into their body, and knows what every little thing is, has some unhypocritical grounds for wanting to know exactly what's in a vaccine, that has passed global safety standards. Grow the f*ck up, already. Over 700k unnecessary deaths, over 140k orphans, and you're crying about nonsense. Again, Republicans just voted against a national $15. They, and conservative Dems, just negotiated a public option out of the BBB. Keep dreaming.
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  4294.  @jeffvonbergen291  Yeah, I do. I spelled it out. Do you have severe reading comprehension problems? The other dimwit was making out like Republicans and corporate Dems are samesies. They aren't. Corporate Dems suck, but they aren't samesies. How does sitting in an irrelevant third party do anything about Manchin? Even if you magically got enough people on board so that all the progressive caucus seats were actually some perfectly perfect puritan progressive third party, the PPPP party, here's what you'd have ... Trump as president, due to vote splitting in the general, between Bernie and Biden. One seat in the senate, and Pence as the tie breaking vote. In the house, you'd have a Republican plurality, which would only have to work with a handful of corporate Dems, to pass whatever they want. The PPPP would be completely irrelevant. They'd need to become the majority of the house and senate, to be able to pass anything. So far, the most popular third party hasn't won even a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Within the party, the progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They could then pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda for the house. If Dems are the majority of the house, that also means that speaker can assign committee seats, introduce whatever bills they want, and sideline whatever bills they want. There's more power in 15 more seats, within the party, than 100 seats outside the party. Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is very clearly the more effective way to win a seat in congress, and taking over the party is the shorter path to getting any power.
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  4301.  @Nanofuture87  Yes, it does mean that some people had zero rights in the societies that didn't recognize them as having rights. That's exactly why they had to fight to get rights. They did not come naturally, and society did not act as if they believed in some centuries old philosophy that those people had natural rights. You were originally talking about societies based on centuries of believing in such a philosophy, and now you're denying societies can have philosophies. Again, without a society deciding what is a right, and what isn't, all you have is a bunch of individuals with freedoms. Claiming land, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said land. Claiming resources, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said resources. Even Libertarians don't believe that freedoms equate to rights, cherypick which freedoms they think is a right, which they don't, and who is deserving of them. Societies have done Libertarianism, and it sucked. Only kids with money were educated. Only poor people who could find a rich sponsor could get healthcare. Landlords could charge whatever the hell they wanted. Employers could pay whatever the hell they wanted. People could claim lands that natives used to freely travel and live upon. Businesses were free to discriminate, pollute, destroy the environment, smash unions. Etc. Etc. Etc. And, no, the market didn't self police itself. There was zero indication of any widespread belief in natural rights, unless greed, making money, and shitting on the poor, is some keystone to natural rights. In an environment where property is privately owned, and almost all property is already claimed, how is being forced to abide by the rules of all the property owners, and business owners, to make a living to survive, complete ownership over yourself? Sure, you have the "right" to not deal with them, and go off and die somewhere. Big woop.
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  4302.  @Nanofuture87  I am distinguishing. That there are no rights without the recognition of rights, is evidenced by thousands of years of history. You could blather all day long about about slavery violating your rights, as you toiled in the cotton fields, but you clearly wouldn't have any rights, until they were recognized by society. Even you are requiring a group of like minded people to recognize "natural rights", to have a society based on them. Sucked, according to the natives. Sucked, according to the poor and uneducated. Sucked, according to the poor and unhealthy. Sucked, according to massive labor movements and rioting. Sucked, according to massive protests by minorities and women against discrimination. I did not mention simply that it sucked, but that there was no indication of a belief in natural rights, other than the "right" to screw people over. Are you arguing for anarcho-capitalism, or Libertarianism? The later could still have a government that sides with business owners, land owners, corporations, etc. Still have a justice system that sides with their "right" to bust unions, sides with their "right" to use children as labor, sides with their property "rights", etc. Yes, Libertarians do pick and choose which freedoms they consider rights, and which they don't. Can't you claim the property the entire apple tree is on, and deny everyone else an apple, not just your singular apple, and force them to pay for an apple if they want it? Can't you claim a water source, and force everyone else in the area to pay for water?
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