Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Sam Dives Deeper Into the Jimmy Dore-M4A Debate" video.

Weren't all of those accomplished through building mass vocal, and visible, support, outside of congress, and then pressuring those opposed (rather than those on the same side) until a majority of congressional support was achieved? I don't think any were achieved through congressional shenanigans.
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@RealRougarou Even Democrats elected the public option guy, not the M4A guy, after the pandemic had already hit. Jimmy was pushing Tulsi, who had moved to a public option, at the time. Where were the 100 pro-M4A progressive candidates Jimmy has in his back pocket? Where were Briahna's M4A protests throughout the pandemic pressuring candidates running? I'm sure AOC's PAC would have supported them. I'm sure the DSA would have coordinated rallies with them. Where were these champions of M4A? Keep in mind that these people now want to start over, from scratch, with a People's Party. They don't actually seem to care if you get M4A in their lifetime.
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@baconjam5815 Simply having a vote, and blackmailing the speaker your party has chosen to get a vote, or paralyzing the house to get a vote, aren't exactly the same thing.
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Dore would be arguing that hopping in a cop car would be better in the long run.
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@Thedemotivator They aren't against M4A. Stop conflating being opposed to a tactic with being opposed to the goal. When the vote fails, then you'll have to do the hard work of getting more progressives in congress ... exactly what AOC's PAC just helped do. Just skip the pointless vote and backstabbing, and help her get more progressives elected.
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Pretty much what they did in this video.
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@mroctober3583 Well, that he contradicts himself, has shown himself to be a terrible political mastermind, doesn't know how the speaker vote actually works (even when he reads it out loud), and has proven that he doesn't actually care if anyone gets M4A anytime soon, are all kind of relevant to his plan, and motives.
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@mroctober3583 He promoted Trump as better than Clinton. He promoted Stein as having a chance. If he convinced anyone in any 2016 swing state to vote Trump, vote Stein, or to not vote at all, then he helped the lunatic, that has let thousands of Americans die, get elected. Throughout the pandemic, he has basically been running constant attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent, again not seeming to care if the lunatic wins and even more people die. He's attacking the credibility of the woman whose progressive PAC just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress (exactly the thing you're going to have to do after the vote fails anyway), going against the DCCC. Corporate Dems have openly stated that's why she was punished and not given the committee seat she wanted. She's punching and getting punched, and Dore knob throws in a kick, accusing her of being a "shill" and "wimp". He doesn't care if he undermines progressive politicians, because he's promoting a People's Party, which would be starting from scratch, and wouldn't get you enough seats to pass M4A for decades, if ever. If Dore has 100 pro-M4A progressive candidates in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out for the election? If he and Briahna want pro-M4A protests, then why haven't they been coordinating with the DSA's M4A rallies, all along? You know ... before the election that just fucking happened. He was more worried about shit Obama (no longer a politician) was saying, or Colbert crying. Dore has his own healthcare, and doesn't give a crap if he tears everything and everyone down to start over. Nothing to lose? What if corporate Dems just keep putting Pelosi back as their speaker candidate over and over again, or even someone to the right of her? Do you just keep paralyzing the house, as they blame progressives for not being able to pass minimum wage, or student debt relief, or lowering social security, or whatever else people just voted for? Jimmy, himself, just argued that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than work with progressives. The dimwit didn't recognize that that's an argument against his own strategy because, if that's really true, then that gives progressives less leverage, and means they could orchestrate something even worse with Republicans, and blame progressives.
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Try ... to pass it? That's not even a thing. It will fail. And then you'll have to do the hard work of getting more progressives elected to congress, which her progressive PAC just helped do, and for which she was punished (as they mentioned).
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@ojo1979 You know people can disagree on tactics but agree on the goal, right? So maybe shove the straw back up your ass, instead of building men with it.
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@anderseckstrand7033 AOC supports M4A. She shares that support for M4A on a platform that reaches 40x more people than Jimmy. On top of her 10m direct audience, a single M4A tweet of hers was retweeted 70 thousand times, compared to Jimmy's best, at under 2k (and that was during this big "trending" moment he thinks he's having). The woman absolutely destroys Jimmy at the only thing he does. On top of that, she was the one who took out the #2 corporate Dem, she started a progressive PAC to counter the DCCC, she fended off another DCCC backed corporate Dem, her PAC helped get more progressives elected to congress even as corporate Dems lost seats (which is why she was punished, as they mentioned) ... you know, doing the things, getting progressive numbers up, that need doing to actually get M4A to pass. That's the kind of stuff that will have to still happen after Jimmy's vote fails, anyway. She has done more for the progressive movement in 2 years than Jimmy has in 20. And, Sam, well he did his best in 2016 to convince at least one moron, that Trump was dangerous, and that multiple scotus seats being filled was a possibility and also dangerous, but ... the idiot stuck to his guns, thinking Trump would be better for progressives, would bring about a massive progressive wave leading to a 2020 Warren presidency, that Republicans would even work with the left against the "maniacal fascist", and that the likelihood of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was on par with the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Maybe Sam could have done more, pushed back even harder, but it's not really Sam's fault that the guy was so stupid.
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@Defund The Tone Police Rofl! You can't both criticize conspiracies and defend Jimmy Dore. What progress has Jimmy made? Has he convinced anyone in congress to support M4A, or replaced them?
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@Defund The Tone Police Rofl. Since he has said he assumes the government is lying and he just has to figure out what they're lying about, that means everything to do with the government. He has pushed JFK conspiracies, 9/11 conspiracies, Syria conspiracies, Seth Rich conspiracies, Las Vegas shooting conspiracies, ... want more?
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@Thedemotivator The real fight is trying to change opponents minds, or replace them. AOC just helped replace some of them. She threw some punches. Her not getting on the committee was a punch back by those who didn't like her endorsing and funding progressives against them. She's scrapping. Jimmy's shouting from the sidelines, telling her she's a "fake", a "shill", a "wimp", when his plan ends with having to do exactly the same thing ... the vote fails, and then you have a new list of names of people whose minds you have to change or replace. There's already a list ... everyone and anyone who won't sign on to the M4A bills in the house and senate. Jimmy should be trying to rip those people down, one by one. He should have been ripping a hole in their asses through the primaries. He could have ripped a hole in a new name every day of the primaries. Instead he was worried about stupid shit, like Obama speeches. Fuck Obama. The guy isn't even a politician anymore. Where's M4A champion Jimmy Dore's PAC? He just bought a new $2m house ... how much did he donate to AOC's PAC? He's an armchair quarterback, with a bad track record.
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@mroctober3583 I replied to your question to me, not some other comment you made. Don't like the answer, don't ask the question. Holding her accountable? She just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress than a People's Party will get elected in decades. You and Jimmy need to try and be coherent. If Pelosi and the corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives, that would mean progressives have even less leverage than Jimmy imagines, not more. Seriously, how long should they paralyze the House, as the rest of the Dems propagandize it, and blame progressives for not being able to vote on anything Biden ran on?
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@Ill_drink_to_that The actual fight is changing opponents minds or replacing them, exactly what AOC just helped do. When the vote fails, you still have to do that. It might give you some extra ammo, but it could also give them ammo, if you paralyze the house, and they start blaming you for not being able to vote on minimum wage, and stuff.
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@Ill_drink_to_that Let me get this straight ... the "fake" is the one whose progressive PAC just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, who endorsed them and help fund them as they primaried against corporate Dems, and the "real" progressive is the guy who promoted Trump as better than Clinton? If he convinced even one person, in a 2016 swing state, to vote Trump, Stein, or to not vote at all, then he helped kill thousands of people. That's ass backwards.
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@ojo1979 Atm, that's like arguing to "try" and push a house over. Keep "trying" all you want but, in the end, you're going to need to convince a lot more people, or get a lot more people elected, in congress that support it, which people like AOC are already working on.
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@ojo1979 "forcing the vote is one solution" Solution to what? It fails, then you have to do exactly what AOC is currently doing, and get more pro M4A candidates in congress. If Jimmy has 100 pro M4A candidates laying around, why didn't he pull them out and run them in the election that just happened? If Briahna wants to coordinate protests groups to have M4A protests, why hasn't she been doing that all along? The Democratic Socialists of America, of which AOC is a member, have been having M4A rallies. Where were Jimmy and his posse? The things he wants to happen, after forcing a vote that fails, are already happening. They just haven't been a part of it. Get out there and put pressure on your district's anti-M4A candidate, if you have one. Protest them, if you need to. Find someone to run against them, if you need to. You don't need a failed vote to do what needs to be done once it fails, anyway.
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