Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Taking Down Passive Aggressive Progressive Jimmy Dore" video.

Even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. That's reality. Even if you magically got a third party so popular that you had as many seats as the current progressive caucus, you'd have a Trump second term, a republican senate with Pence as tie breaker, and a Republican plurality in the house. Republicans would only need a handful of conservative Dems to pass whatever they wanted, and could completely ignore the progressive party. That's the reality of math.
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@craigkidd9524 Do you have reading comprehension problems?
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@craigkidd9524 Which makes it a far better strategy to get the 15 more seats needed for the broader progressive caucus to become the majority of house Dems, which would allow them to set the party agenda and pick the party speaker candidate. Plus, if the majority in the house, that means picking committee members (Pelosi actually introduced M4A last session and it died in committees. She has already reintroduced it this session and it's sitting in committees. Weird how puritan progressives aren't constantly harassing committee members to take up the bill instead of slandering M4A' s congressional supporters.) and introducing whatever bills progressives want.
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@craigkidd9524 You're clearly the one with reading comprehension problems, if you think I said wait for corporate Dems. I promoted to keep replacing them. How is that working out? The broader progressive caucus is about 30 years old and is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have been at it 4 years and have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped replace a few more corporate Dems. You're the dimwit choosing the route that hasn't won even a single seat in decades.
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Ummm, the Trump presidency gave you Biden. People were so scared, and desperate to get rid of Trump, they fell for the "more electable" propaganda, in the primaries. Dore protects establishment Republicans, by never talking about how horrible they are. He has promoted a Republican as the better option. He goes on the establishment MSM Republican propaganda network to largely agree with them. What are you even talking about?
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@DiverDan1000-3 Check your reading comprehension problems, first.
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@DiverDan1000-3 You have severe reading comprehension problems. I said he promoted a republican, and he did. He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton. Someone might argue that Trump wasn't "establishment", but I didn't say "establishment Republican" in that sentence, you dimwitted Dore knob. Still, Trump ran on a pretty standard establishment Republican platform, including wanting to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion (which Dore argued was the better option) and he would be a Republican president in place to sign all the bills sent up by the establishment Republicans. Also, if you're promoting a Republican president as the better option, people might just stay home to let him win, which would benefit the establishment Republicans on the down ballots.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Idiot Dore knob. Jimmy outright made the argument Trump was worse, but promoted him as the better option, because he had a delusional fantasy that a Trump presidency would cause a major progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and the senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even establishment Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). In what reality was Trump the "lesser evil", and Jimmy wrong on that count, as well?
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@DiverDan1000-3 Rofl, what a load of bullshit. The whole Bernie and new progressive movement got going after Obama. Clinton couldn't even make it through the primaries, without showing she was corrupt. It didn't require having to let a complete psycho rule for 4 years. That ended up sending everyone screaming, terrified of another Trump term, right into Biden's "more electable" arms. Of course, Dore didn't care if Bernie (M4A) lost, because, one true champion of healthcare that he is, he was backing Tulsi (public option), the second time around.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Her public option, like I put in brackets. Didn't you Dore knobs just make support for a single tactic to get a performance art vote for M4A the purity test for being a "real" progressive? Her healthcare platform was worse than Biden's, you hypocrites.
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@DiverDan1000-3 I don't think there's a "perfect" candidate. You're the numbskulls who have made out like other progressives are "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", PINOs, or whatever bullshit, with your ftv purity test, while being complete hypocrites, who backed a public option candidate.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Whoever I like is irrelevant to Dore, and his knobs, being complete hypocrites.
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@DiverDan1000-3 Don't like him ... because he's stupid, dishonest, a hypocrite, a grifter, ...
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Dore vastly overestimated the benefits of a Trump presidency, claiming it would bring about a massive progressive backlash that would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (didn't happen) and the senate (didn't happen), in 2018, and the presidency (didn't happen), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (didn't happen), wouldn't follow him into all out fascism (did happen), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats (did happen) was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (hasn't happened yet). Also, a reminder that Trump was running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, while Clinton was running on adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and Dore is making out like he's the one true champion of healthcare, when he promoted the former as the better option.
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MR were promoting voting for Nina, to add another M4A yes vote to congress, because getting enough M4A yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. AOC was campaigning for Nina that day. Dore and wife abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and the M4A marchers also abandoned Nina.
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@ynemey1243 I didn't say anyone was obligated, you strawman spewing dimwit. Abandoning her was optional, and they chose that option. Glad we agree now. You're the one with the reading comprehension problems, dimwit. I said "not to vote for anyone running AS a Democrat". Nina was most definitely running AS a Democrat. You were spewing some bullshit nonsense that "Democrat" didn't apply to her. Dore is encouraging progressives to vote third party, you dishonest twit. I know exact what a strawman is. You, on the other hand, are clearly having severe comprehension problems.
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@zachariahyager3115 The most popular third party has been trying to win a seat for almost 50 years, expecting a different result each time, and failing each time. The most popular progressive third party has been trying for 20 years, and failing each time. There are actually something like 40 third parties, that keep failing over and over. Talk about insanity. "Vote blue" actually works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries turn around and vote for them in the general. The broader progressive caucus only needs about 15 more seats to become the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has helped replace a few more corporate Dems. It may not be as fast as you like, but taking over the party seems to be working. Progressives are actually getting seats. Would you rather them be part of a minority party, or a majority party? What do you think a supermajority is? There isn't one now.
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@jdelapaz14 "Russiagate" ... is that where Democrats, Republicans like Mueller and Romney, the FBI (which been run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to get Mike Pence made president? Lol. Russia having bot farms and sharing information with Dumpty's team is pretty straight forward. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2013. There have been dozens of no fault UN investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses. There have been dozens of healthcare worker witnesses. There have been multiple NGO witnesses, including Doctors Without Borders. There are multiple legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. That investigation wasn't even started until after Israel, the US, the UK, and others had already started bombing Syria. The final report didn't come out until almost a year later. Plus, it was an initial no fault investigation, that didn't even assign blame. The report wasn't used as a reason to bomb Syria. There was another chemical weapons attack just the month before, which had both a no fault investigation and a blame assigning investigation, with zero dissenting opinions, that blamed Syria. The US, and others, could just as easily use that one as some retroactive justification. Dore is the one spouting a nutty conspiracy, that all of the above are in cahoots to lie about Syrian chemical weapons use. Syria actually using chemical weapons is pretty straight forward.
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@feleepe92 A mediocre response, like Canada's, would translate into hundreds of thousands fewer deaths in the US. Trump was completely incompetent.
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@DiverDan1000-3 You failed again. Check your reading comprehension, and try again.
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Ok, so you've got one pos running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, and another pos running on adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, why is the first pos the better option?
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The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems in 4 years. AOC helped replace a few more in just 2 years. Dore knob: The most rational thing to do, right now, is to start from scratch, with zero seats, zero bills submitted, zero amendments added, zero votes on even a single bill, and zero relevance, because the third party route is oh so viable. I mean, the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, but this totally isn't a delusional fantasy.
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@keithporteous9281 Quit lying for Dore. He and his wife said Chomsky had become what he used to debate against, which implies selling out. He said Chomsky's idea of voting harm reduction was "wrong", "f*cking wrong", while peddling the idiotic notion that Biden was worse than Trump. If every progressive listened to Dore, Trump would be president again. Most of the actions Dore promotes benefit the far right.
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@aicram62 Didn't the Green Party give us Kyrsten Sinema?
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@keithporteous9281 Tulsi ran on a public option. Dore did promote Trump (wanted to kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (wanted to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). And, Dore recently abandoned Nina ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, while continuing to slander those who helped to add more M4A yes votes to congress, in the last election, and who were campaigning for Nina, trying to add another. You Dore knobs know that adding yes votes into congress gets you closer to being able to pass M4A, while a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote doesn't, right?
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@jdelapaz14 Dore promoted Trump (wanted to kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (wanted to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He argued that Trump was so bad that it would cause a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He wasn't right about anything. The Obama presidency also gave us Bernie and a progressive movement. It didn't need letting a psycho fascist rule for 4 years to get a progressive movement. In fact, everyone was so scared of another Trump term, they went running they fell for the "more electable" propaganda, and went running to Biden. If he's going to blame Obama for giving us Trump, then we can blame Trump, and Jimmy for encouraging it, for giving us Biden. Dore isn't right about much, at all, when it comes to strategy.
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@jdelapaz14 Rofl, Trump isn't as corrupt?!!! You're a loon.
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@jdelapaz14 Rofl. He made himself money everytime he vacationed, which was every weekend. He made himself money putting up foreign dignitaries. He made himself money sending Pence places. His complete incompetence had a hand in hundreds of thousands of deaths, because he wanted to keep things open to make money and for his economy to appear good. He was grifting his cult to the end, and still is. You're spewing nonsense.
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@Philbert-s2c Dore is the kind of dimwit "leftist" who winds up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives, after allying with Nazis, just so he can own the libs with them.
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@ynemey1243 Dore literally promoted Trump as the better option over Clinton, exactly because he was so much worse.
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@ynemey1243 No. You're pulling crap out of your ass. What do you mean my problem? This was Dore's argument, and he absolutely did not argue Trump was better at anything, as part of it. He argued Trump was much worse than Clinton and, because he was, that was supposed to cause a massive progressive backlash. Dore vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming a Trump presidency would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump presidency (wrong) rather than follow him into outright fascism (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about it all. He lives in a delusional fantasy world.
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@ynemey1243 Rofl, that was no strawman they said. Aside from Dore actually promoting someone he called a deranged fascist as the better option, basic math says Dore knobs prefer fascists. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Dore, and his knobs, want progressives to throw away their votes. At best, you peel away enough votes that you let Republicans rule for decades to come. Almost every course of action Dore takes, or promotes, benefits the far right most.
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@ynemey1243 He, literally, said that Trump was the better option, ffs, exactly because he was worse. You're making up bullshit that his argument had anything to do with Trump being better at some things. Dore does not admit he's wrong. He promoted the candidate that wanted to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion as the better option. He promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). He promotes going third party, never winning a seat in congress, and letting Republicans rule, for decades. He abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promoted allying with far right Boogaloos that will shoot leftists once they start their civil war. And yet he acts like he's the one true champion of healthcare. Nothing he does gets anyone closer to having healthcare, and much gets you further away. What is Biden worse at? Eating cheeseburgers?
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@ynemey1243 He didn't make a video supporting Nina in the 6 months leading to the election, he and his wife let everyone know they had stopped donating to Nina, and he encouraged people to never vote for someone running as a Democrat ever again. How the hell does that not equate to abandoning her? Justice Democrats have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems with progressives. That increases the number of M4A yes votes in congress. AOC helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. And, if you were wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. The M4A marchers could have gone to Nina rallies, to also support adding another M4A yes vote to congress, but they also abandoned her. And then Dore slandered AOC, saying she and Bernie had abandoned M4A. Bernie also campaigned for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It's just a fact that they've all done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. It's just a fact that he slanders them. It's simple math, that a third party is a losing strategy, and would benefit Republican most. Let's say you got everyone currently in the progressive caucus to run for your progressive third party and they managed to win the same number of seats. That'd be 94 seats in the house and 1 (Bernie) seat in the senate. Trump would have won the presidency, with Dem and progressive votes split between Biden and Bernie in the general instead of the primary. Republicans would control the senate with Pence as the tie breaker. In the house, Republicans would hold a plurality and only need a handful of the most conservative Dems to work with them to pass whatever they wanted and completely ignore the progressive third party. Even a successful progressive third party would benefit Republicans most. It's just math. And, the actual reality is that the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. You could be talking a century to even win one seat. It's a delusional fantasy. Progressives would gain more power by simply getting the 15 more seats the progressive caucus needs to become the majority of house Dems, than they would getting 100 seats as a third party. I don't think you know what a "strawman" is.
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@ynemey1243 Again, he and his wife openly stated they stopped donating to her. That, in itself, is abandoning her. And you're once again making up bullshit. He said to never vote for anyone running as a Democrat. He abandoned her. Ironically, the problem may be that you're twisting what I'm actually saying in your mind into a strawman, which makes your claims of me strawmanning are actually you strawmanning. Nothing you said refutes the fact that math says progressives voting third party benefits Republicans most. Many things Dore promotes doing benefits Republicans, most ... which was the original point.
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@jaw-knee771 The guy promoted Trump (end Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (Medicare expansion), and Biden (Medicare expansion and public option), ffs. He promotes going third party, when the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence ... a route that might not even win you a single seat in the next century, let alone get you M4A. Even if a progressive third party magically became popular enough to get every progressive vote, you'd have average Dems and progressives splitting their votes and have Republicans rule for decades to come. Democrats may be slow to move forward, but Republicans literally want to go backwards. Dore benefits the far right more than the left.
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