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@ComradeCatpurrnicus Not to mention that the vaccines have government negotiated prices, and are given out for free. That's a tiny slice of what M4A should be like, but he spreads all kinds of misinformation about covid and vaccines, plus doing his "big pharma" schtick, to make it seem like crap. He, and Max, also did a bullshit bit on myocarditis, and trashed the completely socialized UK healthcare system, while they were at it. And, Dore also peddled an unproven, more expensive, paid for out of pocket, vaccine alternative, on Rogan. The guy is selling the complete opposite of what he claims to be for.
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His other video was called, "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". He cites a Gallup article, which very clearly states their hospitalization rates are based on the total population, 0.01% for the total vaccinated population, and 0.89% for the total unvaccinated population. Now, you'd think that maybe the unvaccinated being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the unvaccinated might be a big deal to talk about, but no. Jimmy claims to have looked for a comparable "death rate". The only comparable death rate, to total population hospitalization rates, is the covid crude mortality rate. That number is easy to find, all you have to do is take the deaths per million rate and move the decimal 4 spaces to the left, 0.27%. It's also easy to do the math yourself. Apparently, the crack Dore knob team wasn't capable of doing either. Instead, Jimmy says he couldn't find a "death rate" from the past year and a half, so uses one from a year and a half ago. The 3.4% he uses is clearly a case fatality rate, deaths per confirmed case. Aside from not being comparable to the total population hospitalization rates, a current case fatality rate is also easy to find, and also easy to work out the math yourself. Even using the wrong rate, the crack Dore knob team was too stupid to figure out the current one. So, he takes those incomparable rates, and since 3.4% is sooooo much higher than 0.89%, he makes out like covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated". He's either completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, or both.
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@tilleryinnovations592 Rofl, what false equivalency are you Dore knobs using now?
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To be clear, a PhD in nursing practice. Totally valid for him to use "Dr", but he's not an MD, let alone any kind of specialist.
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@tilleryinnovations592 I repeat ... motor vehicle deaths were down in the UK, dimwit. It wasn't inaccurate.
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@treymitchell957 Jimmy doesn't support M4A. He outright peddled a non-M4A candidate, who said M4A was unAmerican, over Bernie. He outright abandoned Nina Turner. He peddles a non viable third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, that would just hand power to corporate Dems and Republicans for decades to come.
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@jop23ify It's only pointless, to you, because you seem to have missed the point. Abortions and pregnancies aren't contagious deadly viruses. If you're against all vaccine mandates, then you're just not very bright, and considering it to be solely about the individual means you don't grasp how herd immunity works.
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@tilleryinnovations592 PhD in nursing practice. So, when Dore asks if he's a doctor ... if he means medical doctor, the answer is "No".
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@tilleryinnovations592 "There were an estimated 1,390 reported road deaths in the year ending June 2021, a decrease of 11% compared to the year ending June 2020. There was a decrease of 22% compared to the 3 rolling year average for 2017 to 2019 (prior to the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic)."
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@jop23ify Both parties support vaccine mandates in every single state. Both support federal vaccine mandates for the military and immigrants. Both have for decades. Pregnancies and abortions are not contagious.
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@tilleryinnovations592 You didn't give me which false equivalency you're working with, yet, dimwit.
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@tilleryinnovations592 Say which new false equivalency, you Dore knobs are working with.
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@tilleryinnovations592 Motor vehicle deaths, UK: 2019 ... 1,752 2020 ... 1,460
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@rikirich2223 Sweden has 5-10x more covid deaths per million than its neighbors, and had weeks where it was the worst in Europe. "In Sweden, excess mortality was 3% without, and 8% with consideration of increasing life expectancy."
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@tilleryinnovations592 He was simply giving examples of things that could also possibly affect excess mortality, off the top of his head, dimwit, and they did go down, in the UK ... you know, the nation the numbers refer to.
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@thomascross8339 AOC and Bernie were on the ground fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. It's the most important thing. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina ... abandoned adding another yes vote to congress. Pelosi introduced the bill, again (she did last session, as well). It's sitting in committees. Maybe pressure and protest the committee members sitting on the bill, instead of pressuring and protesting people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime?
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Still waiting for the moon to fall into Lake Michigan, like he told Sam, the last time they debated.
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@baconcerberus In the UK motor vehicle deaths were down. Plus, the US is different, in that the excess mortality is higher than their covid death count. You really can't apply one country's excess mortality to other countries, as the doctor of nursing practice stated. They have to be worked out individually, to try and figure out how all the thousands of pluses and minuses add up.
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@Badatallthis Stuff Who the f*ck ever argued EVERYONE was going to die from covid? Shove your strawman. Per capita is how you compare things in countries with different populations. Norway's rate would translate into about 2500 total Sweden covid deaths, instead of 15k. That's about 12500 preventable deaths Sweden didn't bother to try and prevent. All for what? Their economy didn't even do better. So, they died just so people wouldn't be inconvenienced by a mask, or something?
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Nope.
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@rikirich2223 Are you really comparing underdeveloped countries with life expectancies as low as 55, to developed countries? Hrrrm, I wonder why they have fewer people dying? Think. Think.
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@mensspace9519 No vaccine is 100%, dimwit. Not sure where I lost you, in showing how herd immunity works, and everyone being vaccinated helps others.
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@adaminfinity1733 Piss off. "Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans. A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans."
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@ima4916 How are "extreme free market" Boogaloos, that want to start a civil war, not the lunatic right?
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@mellow_badger8585 Why aren't you advising people to head on over to right wing Rumble, where Glenn and Jimmy have signed on to get themselves some Peter Thiel CIA money? Or, go find them on FOX?
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@mellow_badger8585 And yet you were just advising people they could supposedly find similar content elsewhere. If you go on to mainly just to agree with the other side of the aisle, then you're not actually on the other side of the aisle.
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@mellow_badger8585 Rofl. Tucker had pro Assange segments going back a year before Dore was on, you dimwitted Dore knob. He didn't move Tucker's position on anything. Dore went on, agreed with Tucker that it was problematic that Dumpty had been banned from social media, and using the bullshit first amendment argument. There's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. A leftist should be pointing that out, and pointing out the way to get free speech rights is through public ownership. Someone whose not sucking on Tucker's far right white nationalist balls, might also point out that things like inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech anyway. He played right along with the right wing framing of "cancel culture", not pointing out that conservative religious folks have been cancelling things and people for millennia, still do, and often even use the government to do it, not just public pressure. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Jimmy threw Tucker and his audience the off topic bone that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham. Then, he finally got to Assange, who Tucker didn't show any indication of disagreeing with Jimmy on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't a right/left issue, in the least. The issue isn't common ground, dingleberry. The issue is priorities. Right wing morons care more about bullshit, like CRT that isn't even taught in K-12, than they do about getting themselves healthcare. If they prioritized healthcare, they wouldn't be right wingers. An "extreme free market" Boogaloo psycho, that wants to start a civil war, isn't going to vote for the same people you are, just because you both agree an a handful of anti-authoritarian issues. They'll be shooting you, if you try and implement M4A, after you help them bring down the government.
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@Badatallthis Stuff It's a vaccine. It's an "immunization" the same way other vaccines, and "natural immunity", are "immunizations". None mean literally 100% immune.
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@olorin1710 What's that got to do with the point about not counting people with comorbidities as covid deaths?
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Illhan Omars brother's wife is Illhan Omar What a load of crap. A bunch of vaccines are mandated. There are a miriad of laws and regulations that people are mandated to follow. You're talking out your ass ... again.
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@adaminfinity1733 No, that doesn't happen every year. 2018 had a spike. Seriously? You can't grasp why people are more likely to blame the unvaccinated for something 10x worse than the flu, that lasts much of the year, and has a free vaccine for all?
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@jop23ify He still kept peddling her over Bernie, dimwit, exactly like I stated. But, thanks for making it very clear, that he knew full well, her plan wasn't M4A, and he still kept backing her.
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@treymitchell957 The Libertarian party is doing even less. The Green party is doing even less. Whatever you think of current progressives in office, running as a Dem is very clearly the more effective way to win a seat. One of the worst Dems, right now, was a product of the Green party, Kyrsten Sinema. It's not like you're guaranteed perfectly perfect puritan progressives, going third party, anyway.
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@jop23ify No vaccine is 100%, dimwit. There are dozens to thousands of measles and mumps breakthroughs every year, in the US. Say you've been vaccinated with a vaccine that has a 50% efficacy rate. That's 50%, if the virus carrier comes in contact with you. If there's another vaccinated person between you and the carrier, that's 75% protection. Another, and that's 87.5% protection. Another, and that's 93.75% protection. That's the whole point of herd immunity. It's not solely about the individual.
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@mellow_badger8585 What's a right wing policy that benefits the lower class?
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@Badatallthis Stuff All you said was that you're ignorant, and don't grasp how herd immunity works. Say you've been vaccinated with a 50% efficacy vaccine. That added 50% protection applies when you come in direct contact with a virus carrier. For every other vaccinated person, between you and the carrier, it adds another layer of 50% protection. 1 person = 75% protection. 2 people = 87.5% protection. 3 people = 93.75% protection. Etc. It's the whole point of trying to vaccinate as many people as possible, with any vaccine. It's not just about individual protection.
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@Badatallthis Stuff No. You were the one who just moved a public health measure into the politics column. That's stupid.
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@iheartlreoy8134 Yeah, I know.
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He made some of his own mistakes, if that's what they are. One country's excess mortality rate can't be used to deduce anything about other countries. The US' excess mortality rate, for example, is higher than recorded covid deaths. That's the reverse of the UK, so something completely different is going on, in the US. That third number, on the paper says died "with covid", not that covid was necessarily a contributing factor, as he said. That second number is the one the government and media report as deaths due to covid. That simply means some 20k people have died "with covid", but not due to covid.
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Dore has been on Tucker's show a few times. They don't debate. They just largely agree.
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@expendable4h002 Shove the strawman nonsense. No vaccine is 100%. Nobody has ever claimed a vaccine is 100%. Nobody is expecting absolutely zero breakthrough cases. They reduce infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. Making drinking and driving illegal, and enforcing that law, has reduced the rate of drinking and driving, and reduced the rates of accidents, injuries, and deaths, due to drinking and driving. Making out like the law is useless, is moronic.
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@expendable4h002 The polio vaccine doesn't produce sterilizing immunity. Many vaccines don't. The papillomavirus vaccine does, and still isn't considered absolutely 100%. You're a dimwit.
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@mensspace9519 Let's say there's a 50% efficacy vaccine. It has been given to a high risk person. That 50% applies when they're in direct contact with a virus carrier. For every additional vaccinated person you add, between the high risk person and the carrier, you increase the protection another 50%. 1 person = 75%. 2 people = 87.5%. 3 people = 93.75%. Etc. Even if you're not personally high risk, you're helping to add an additional line of protection, by being vaccinated. That's the whole point of trying to achieve herd immunity. Vaccines aren't just about the individual vaccinated.
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@jonz23m Should we ditch all laws, all rules of the road, all other vaccines, all safety regulations, etc., etc., so as not to keep our "fear and anxiety"? Sounds genius.
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@mellow_badger8585 Not at all upset. You don't have to worry your little Dore knob head, about me. It is literally not a town square, exactly because the town doesn't own it. They are private social clubs, with tos you need to adhere to, to retain your membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships, since the dawn of private clubs. Private property owners have been having people removed from their private property since the dawn of private property. You have no right to be on someone else's private property, which means you have no right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. If Trump walked into some golf club's ladies change room one too many times, as he is prone to do, and got a number of warnings not to, nobody would care if his membership was revoked. He'd also lose access the property, and saying what he wants on the property. That's the way private property works. Right wingers are the private property pushers. They're the ones that handed giant corporations so much power. They're the ones that made them equivalent to people, and argued they could have their own beliefs. They just get upset when those beliefs don't align with theirs. If Hobby Lobby was doing something anti-women, or Chick-fil-A was doing something anti-gay, they'd have no problem with it. They're only upset because they can't incite insurrections, defame voting machine companies, and spread covid and vaccine misinformation, without consequences. None of those things would necessarily even be protected speech in public, either. They're fine with outright using the government to make anti-BDS laws. They were fine with the government (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, people who said things that contradicted him. They're fine with maintaining the FCC to protect their delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. Etc. These aren't people that actually care about free speech, or they'd support the one way to get it. No, they just want to try and regulate things in a way that protects them from consequences. Rofl. I know the history of the ACA. So, the thing that Republicans didn't introduce to congress as their own policy, that they all voted against, that they have tried to repeal dozens of times over, that Trump ran on repealing, that they are still trying to repeal and are still fighting in court, is "their" big policy for the lower class? I've never argued that Democrats don't do things to harm the working class. I'm asking about what pro working class policies the right has. The left has things like M4A, the Green New Deal, student loan relief, free college, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. Sure, a bunch of corporate Dems aren't left enough, and need replacing, to make any of those happen. Upper and lower class has always been the same thing as right and left. The upper class has always managed to get some working class stooges on board, to support their crap that doesn't do anything for the working class. If your best example of "their" policy that helped the working class is something they voted against and have constantly fought against, that's pretty sad.
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That made no sense.
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@olorin1710 Rofl. Dore represents the position of a tiny fringe "leftist" element, of under 400k voters, who voted Tulsi, and Green, in the last election. His followers are a majority right wingers, who just use him for other ways to attack Dems and progressives, or are non voters.
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@uche007us Saline water? I think everyone would die.
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Yeah, that third number, on the paper said "with covid", not necessarily that covid contributed to the death, like the Dr of nursing practice stated. The second number is the deaths due to covid that the government and media use. That just means some 20k people died "with covid", and not due to covid. No real contradiction in the numbers. As for the first number, like Sam said, you'd have to look at all the hundreds of other things people die of. If you find about a 30k reduction than average, then there's no contradiction between the first and second number. If they're isn't a 30k reduction there, then maybe covid deaths were slightly overreported. The doctor of nursing is also wrong, about being able to use UK excess mortality for other countries. Each country is different. The US' excess mortality was higher than reported covid deaths. Unlike the UK, that means people were either dying of other things in higher than average numbers, or that covid deaths were underreported.
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@hughwardjackson4776 The first thing the doctor of nursing got wrong was that excess deaths in one country can tell you much of anything about another country. In the US, excess deaths were higher than total covid deaths, so something entirely different is going on there. If you want to add up all the UK's death pluses and minuses, and see if what remains is the covid count, go ahead. If you're hoping anything you're saying would equally apply to the US, it wouldn't.
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@expendable4h002 Oh my, why would that be?
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@expendable4h002 And there are all kinds of mandates, in life, to try and minimize those risks. I think you ignored the one to wear a hard hat on a construction site.
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@MundaneDave Chickenpox is endemic. That's not an argument against herd immunity and vaccinating as many people as possible.
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@MundaneDave Did you miss the part where the chickenpox vaccine is mandated in all 50 states, to provide herd immunity, to help protect others, and not just yourself?
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@MundaneDave Your argument was that it's "endemic", as if that's some argument against herd immunity, and vaccinating as many people as possible, so "protect yourself". What you're doing now is a basic moving the goalpost, is what this is. It would also be better if everyone got the flu vaccine, as well. You still don't have a f*cking actual point.
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@MundaneDave No vaccine is 100%, dimwit, but every vaccinated person between you and a carrier is an added layer of protection. There is no argument against vaccinating as many people as possible. What "massive negative impact it's had on kids"? What are you blathering about?
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@luperamos7307 You seem to have left out a qualifier, "it was recommending vaccination for children age 5 to 11 with preexisting conditions or who are in close contact with vulnerable people". Regarding the rest the kids, the wording "do not advise" kind of implies they are advising not to, which isn't the case, either.
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@luperamos7307 In a country with less than 10m kids that age and over 20m people 60+, the "contact with vulnerable people" likely applies to most of the kids.
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@luperamos7307 Again, most kids would be recommended to get it, because they likely want to be around their grandparents, and such.
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@sergeikhripun So, ditch all laws, all rules of the road, all safety regulations, all warning labels, all recommended dosages, etc., etc., etc.?
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@adaminfinity1733 At dosages much higher than those humans can take, ffs. You can probably pour some bleach in a petri dish and stop replication, as well. Peru has one of the, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin in the world, and also has the highest covid death rate in the world. India gave Ivermectin a go, and stopped, because they found it provided no benefit. Many medical agencies, around the world, advise against using it as a covid treatment. Manufacturers advise against using it as a covid treatment. Ivermectin "studies" have been found to be outright fraudulent, and pulled from publications. There are also other studies showing it does nothing, or even makes things worse. Doesn't the fact that a number of medical agencies, and the media, have stated that Fluvoxamine looks promising, defeat the narrative that they've been working against Ivermectin, and increase their reliability in saying Ivermectin is useless, or at least unproven?
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@adaminfinity1733 Campbell is outright wrong, that one country's excess mortality rate can be used to relfect what's going on in other countries. The US' excess mortality rate, for example, is actually higher than their covid deaths. Something completely different is going on. That's a very silly mistake, if that's what it was. He was seemingly wrong to say that covid "contributed" to deaths, in that third number. It literally said "with covid", on the paper. The number the government, and media, uses is the second number, for dying due to covid. The third number means some 20k people died "with covid" but not due to covid. And making some big fuss about comorbidity numbers that have been out, all along, and deaths with comorbidities widely talked about, all along, was ridiculous. This was a bullshit video, pandering to certain types of morons, exactly like Jimmy.
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@adaminfinity1733 Well, isn't that nice. He has one video covid minimizers can pass around, and one that clarifies things. I'm sure the clarification will be just as viral. Vaccines still lower your chances of even catching covid, in the first place, by 7x. Fluvoxamine does not. And, the hospitalizations for vaccinated breakthroughs are 17x lower, rather than Fluvoxamine's 3x lower. Fluvoxamine shouldn't be considered a replacement for vaccines, just an additional treatment.
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@adaminfinity1733 Are you assuming they wouldn't be massively higher, if nobody was vaccinated, dimwit? Plus, Puerto Rico isn't another country, ffs. You sound like Dumpty, always forgetting Puerto Rico is part of the US.
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@jgmediting7770 Which such information?
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@tn2378 Campbell was wrong to state that UK numbers could indicate what was going on in other countries. The US excess mortality is higher than the covid deaths. If you're going to take it at face value, like that, then the US is undercounting covid deaths. But, you can't really take excess mortality at face value. You have to calculate all the pluses and minuses for other causes of death, to find out if the covid deaths are over, or under, counted. All the mask wearing, etc., could have reduced deaths, due to other viruses. The lockdowns could have reduced deaths due to work related accidents. That second number, is the official number, used by the government and media. It's deaths with covid listed as the cause. Unless, you go through and do the excess mortality calculations, nothing really refutes this number. There's nothing incompatible with the first and second numbers, unless you really breakdown the excess mortality and show that they are. Campbell also misrepresented the third number. It said, on the paper, "with covid", not that covid "contributed" to the death. The other video, that Matt mentions, shows how a cause of death report is filled out. Putting covid in the bottom section doesn't mean covid "contributed" to the death, just that they had covid. Putting covid in the top section means covid was considered to have contributed to the death (which is the second number). The difference between the second and third number means some 20k people, that had covid, died of other things, and the covid wasn't listed as contributing to the death. There's nothing incompatible with the second and third numbers. And, Campbell making out like the government and media haven't been reporting that comorbidities increase your odds of dying, all along, was pure bullshit.
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@logicbomb8977 Dore, and his doctor of nursing practice, actually just showed you. The second number is the number being used by the government and media as people dying due to covid. The third number, on paper says "with covid". The doctor of nursing practice was wrong to say covid contributed to their deaths. That means some 20k people died "with covid" and weren't counted as dying due to covid.
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@robbinburns6329 It's called exponential growth, ffs. 1 - 400k deaths is an increase of 400000%. 400k - 900k deaths is an increase of 125%. More people died in 2021, because the virus had already spread far and wide in 2020. It is no argument that the unvaccinated are still being infected, hospitalized, and dying, at higher rates, even with Omicron. You're uninformed. All the other mandated vaccines also have a very low risk of severe adverse reaction, and even death. It's still much much much lower odds than the odds of severe reaction, or death, due to catching the viruses. Sure, increase the insurance rates for the obese, or something ... plus have vaccines. It's not an either or scenario.
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