Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Jimmy Dore’s Targeted Misogyny Hits New Low With Attacks On Emma Vigeland, AOC, Ana Kasparian" video.
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@Evirthewarrior The reverse is also true, Dore knob. Adding 55-64 year olds adds healthier people, than just the 65+ crowd, to the Medicare risk pool, people who would pay into it but need it less. Dore knobs don't grasp basic math.
I'm stupid? Dore vastly underestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to a progressive wave that would "for sure" take the house and senate in 2018 (didn't happen) and the presidency in 2020 (didn't happen). He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into overt fascism (didn't happen) and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (the moon still hasn't fallen). He's a complete and utter moron, living in some fantasy land. The progressive movement behind Bernie started after an Obama presidency, dimwit Dore knob. You don't need a psycho as the head of government.
I know exactly what he said about the Boogaloo guy before he came on, and while he was on. Dore is an idiot. The dead peeps on the Night of the Long Knives were leftists, dumb dumb, that teamed up with right wingers.
You're the one who brought them up, dimwit.
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@Addamo You're outright lying. Dore's argument was that because Trump was so much worse, that it would cause a massive progressive backlash, and that's why he was a better option. He was wrong on all of his predictions.
AOC was, literally, just promoting M4A, dimwit Dore knob. You're still lying. Oh my, she wants Dems to remain the majority, and progressives to be in that majority, in a difficult midterm, in conservative areas where progressives got slaughtered, including ones she previously backed. I get it, you Dore knobs prefer a Republican majority. Just come out of the closet and say it already.
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@Addamo A performance art vote isn't itself M4A, Dore knob. If you already know you need to convert or replace 100+ people in the house alone, trying to ferret out a few more fakers, who can still vote for it knowing it has zero chance of passing, is a waste of everyone's time.
The party's speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority in the party caucus. Even the broader progressive caucus doesn't have enough votes to block Pelosi being the party's speaker candidate. The corporate Dems don't have to pick someone new, if you paralyze the house. They can keep picking her over and over and over, if they want. So, how long do you paralyze the house for, during a pandemic ... no new covid relief, no new unemployment extension, no new vaccine funding, etc.?
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@2727rogers There is only one possible solution to passing M4A, and that is to convert or replace enough members of congress to pass the bill. AOC, Justice Dems, a Bernie PAC, have been working on doing just that. They added a few more M4A yes votes to congress in the last election. AOC and Bernie were campaigning to add one more M4A yes vote, in Nina Turner, while Jimmy opposed adding one more.
There's already a list of members of congress that won't sign onto the bill. Go protest them.
Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees that didn't do anything with it. It has already been reintroduced, and is in committees again. Look who is on the committees and go protest them to take up the bill.
Endlessly bitching about, and slandering, the most progressive members of congress, M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, is moronic and insane.
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@sergeikhripun Seder was promoting Nina Turner, all along, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Meanwhile, Jimmy actually argued against her ... against adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
The DSA has had M4A rallies before, that Dore didn't promote. Dore has ... also not promoted every M4A rally ever, openly argued against adding another M4A yes vote to congress, donated to an anti-M4A Republican, promoted far right anti-M4A ancap Boogaloos as allies, promoted anti-M4A Trump as the better option in 2016, promoted anti-M4A candidate Tulsi Gabbard in the 2020 primaries, didn't give a crap if 10m of the poorest Americans were tossed off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and promotes third parties that have produced the likes of Kyrsten Sinema and haven't won a single seat in congress in decades ... but he has somehow crowned himself the one true champion of healthcare, and morons have bought it.
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@FerdEdits Oh piss off with the "there are no progressives in Washington" bullshit. Bernie, Justice Dems, and AOC, have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. Increasing the number of yes votes in congress is the only possible way to get any of those things. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in its near 50 year existence. The broader progressive caucus is 30 years old and is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems are 4 years old and have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years, and has helped replace a few corporate Dems. They're immeasurably more successful than any third party, because you can't even measure how many times better something is than zero ... zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments, zero votes on even a single bill.
Because there's no possible way for third party candidates, like former Green candidate Sinema, to ever become corrupt? You're living in some Puritan fantasy world. You get that "vote blue" works both ways, right? That Dems who voted against progressives in the primaries will vote for them in the general, if they win the primaries. Even if you somehow magically convinced every progressive to vote for your fantasy perfectly perfect party, that would just split the votes enough to let Republicans rule for decades to come, in most places.
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@FerdEdits "M4A" and "a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote" aren't exactly the same thing. Be clear that you want them to try and block legislation to get a piece of performance art, not to actually get M4A, which requires 100+ more yes votes in the house alone.
Also be clear that there are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives, and there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, on the right. In a standoff, a bill could be pushed far enough right to pick up enough Republican votes to pass a bill without the squad. On the other hand, it's absolutely impossible to pass a bill without the likes of Manchin, because of the fact that there are no extra votes to be gained to the left, by pushing a bill left.
It's a numbers game, and adding numbers is how you win the game. Making out like increasing numbers is doing nothing is beyond moronic. It's the only possible way to ever pass any bill. AOC and Bernie are now trying to increase the numbers by one, by adding Nina Turner. Is Dore promoting Turner?
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@FerdEdits Really? A month of Dore videos, and no headlines promoting Nina Turner. How far back do I have to go, exactly? AOC was just campaigning with her, on the ground in Ohio, a week ago, promoting M4A at rallies as well, and Jimmy's lying headline from 2 days ago, "Bernie and squad abandon Medicare4All".
Not trying for what ... trying to actually get M4A, which requires numbers, or trying to get a 100% guaranteed to fail vote? She's actually trying to increase numbers. The $15 minimum vote proved FTVers would do absolutely nothing with a list of no voters, except keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it, rather than use it to go after the no voters. There's also already a list of congress members who won't sign onto the M4A bill, during a pandemic, and FTVers just keep bitching about those who did sign onto it, instead of going after the 300+ house members who haven't.
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