Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Did AOC Mess Up?" video.
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@theciakilledjfk5973 You're making a false equivalency, between two different kinds of votes.
M4A is about 100 votes short in the house alone. There wouldn't be much of a performance, because debating, calling witnesses, etc., happens during committees. If you want to somehow dodge committees for a straight up floor vote, all you'd get is house members speaking for a few min each, without any fact checking, debate, and 3/4 of the few min speeches being anti-M4A.
The impeachment passed the house, and the performance happened during the senate trial, where the case is actually presented and argued. And they even got some Republicans to vote for impeachment, along with all Dems.
More Americans were in favor of impeachment than are for all out M4A.
Nothing in your post covered that there's more votes to be won, or gained, on the right, if push comes to shove. You're blaming progressives for Biden being a corporate Dem? Wasn't that common knowledge?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 The party's speaker candidate is picked by the Dem caucus, where progressives are a minority, and it's a straight up majority vote. Progressives didn't actually have the power to threaten the speakership. All they had the power to do was to paralyze the house, by no speaker candidate winning. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over, if they wanted. How long do you think it would have been politically advantageous to paralyze the house for, during a pandemic?
For what, exactly? Pelosi introduced M4A to congress just last session, where it died in committees, where 90% of bills die. You know, those committees that Dore knob doesn't think are important. And, a speaker, alone, can't even force a bill through committees to the floor. It takes a petition signed by the majority of congress.
You also get a brand new list of names of congresspeople who won't cosign the bills, each new session, that need converting or replacing (AOC just helped replace a few). If you, or Dore, had 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates sitting in your back pockets, why didn't you run them in the election cycle that just happened?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 Next to nobody outside of some progressive circles (where everyone is already pro-M4A) were talking about Jimmy Dore, or FTV. Something like 20 people showed up for the DC FTV rally. Bernie still has more Twitter followers. Bernie, and his M4A, who she used her platform to campaign for, while Dore knob was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. The pandemic had started before the primaries were over. Guess what? The M4A candidate didn't get elected, and no amount of DNC fuckery could have screwed Bernie, if the masses had voted for him. Most of those other pro-M4A candidates didn't make it through the primaries, either. Only a few did. Americans just got finished ranking how important M4A was to them. They went with the idjit who said he'd veto it, if it somehow passed both the house and senate. They went with mostly anti-M4A corporate Dem and Rep congress members, yet again.
Dore had this fantasy, in 2016, where a Trump presidency would be better for progressives than a Clinton presidency. It was going to lead to some massive progressive wave that would, "for sure", lead to progressives taking the house and senate in 2018, and a progressive president in 2020. None of it happened. He vastly overestimated the benefits and vastly underestimated the risks. Even with the benefit of hindsight, knowing full well that people started complaining about not getting covid relief fast enough (including, I think, Jimmy Dore), you think they would have been impressed with paralyzing the house for some amount of time, to not actually get them M4A, but simply to get a guaranteed to fail vote?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 Speaking of gullible, you're being taken for a ride by a grifter who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare, and yet passes himself off as the one true champion of healthcare. He doesn't care if he leads people down the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. There's no indication he actually cares if anyone gets healthcare anytime soon, other than his gums flapping. The actions he promotes taking won't get M4A in the next century.
AOC actually helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, the very thing you need to do to ever pass the bill, the very thing you would still need to do even after a guaranteed to fail vote. House representatives don't have to get involved in other districts' elections. That's beyond the job parameters. She has proven that she actually takes action, and doesn't just flap her gums, like dumbass Dore. She has proven that she fights against corporate Dems, and doesn't just flap her gums, like dumbass Dore.
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@michaelarmijo4112 What's the point of having a vote, when it's still 100+ votes short in the house alone?
The broader progressive caucus, with M4A on their platform, is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, and could then pick the party speaker candidate, and if the majority party could hold the speakership, fill committee seats, etc. Justice Dems have helped add about a dozen seats in the past couple election cycles. AOC helped add a few seats in the only election cycle since she has been elected. She was just campaigning, trying to add Nina, as well.
Getting enough yes votes is, literally, the only possible way to pass a bill. Making out like adding yes votes is doing nothing, is moronic.
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