Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "MR Fan To Sam: 'Why Are You Defending Pelosi?'" video.

fa q Rofl! Dore promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, claiming Trump being so awful would cause a massive progressive backlash (wrong). He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming that it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong), and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda (wrong) and claiming Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about Tulsi. He was wrong about Boogaloos. He was wrong about AOC and Bernie, who were just campaigning for Nina Turner, still fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress (It was Dore who abandoned fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress). He's wrong about third party viability. He's wrong about almost everything.
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@TWENTYFO5 Weird how "actual lefty", Jimmy Dore, benefits the far right more than the left.
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What did he lie about?
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@Hunter_Brandon Actually, BGJ, and Dore, lied about Dore's plan. The original plan out of Dore's mouth, and for numerous times after, used that same "withhold" wording you're using now, or he'd say "don't vote for". Dore, on his own, never said to cast protest votes. His wording implied abstaining, which would have handed the speakership to McCarthy, because for every 2 empty seats, absentees, and/or abstentions, the threshold needed to win is lowered by 1. If Dore's 15 progressives had abstained, those 15 plus 2 empty seats, would have lowered the threshold needed to win by 8, down to 210. If every other Dem voted Pelosi, she could only get 207, at the time. If every Republican voted McCarthy, he could have gotten 211, and won the vote. Sam knew where the original plan came from. To say he liked Dore's plan and then didn't like Dore's plan, simply because he didn't like Dore, makes no sense. Are you sure it wasn't because Dore started using it to slander progressives in congress, taking the thing in a whole other direction? Or, because flaws were found?
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@Hunter_Brandon Dore didn't say to cast protest votes. His original plan, to simply "withhold", or "don't vote", would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. The fact that Pelosi ended up winning the speakership with less than 218 votes, and speakers before have won with less than 218 votes, proves that Dore was wrong when he insisted it was impossible for McCarthy to win without 218 votes. His 15 would need to cast protest votes, which Dore wasn't saying to do, or McCarthy would have been speaker. Even the amended plan, to cast protest votes, wouldn't necessarily be a threat to Pelosi. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats shy of being the majority of the party. They don't yet have the numbers to pick a progressive speaker. As long as the corporate Dem majority stuck with her, they could keep choosing Pelosi as the party speaker candidate over, and over, and over. All the 15 would be doing is paralyzing the house ... during a pandemic, meaning no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., with everyone blaming them. It could have been a PR nightmare. Plus, moving forward, now that you've openly started an all out civil war within the party, what happens when the progressive caucus does get those 15 more seats and picks the party speaker? Going third party is nonsensical is what the issue is. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. But, let's say you magically got enough progressives to vote third party that a progressive puritan party wins the same number number of seats as the current progressive caucus, 97 in the house and 1 senator. What you'd have is a republican plurality in the house, that only needs to work with a handful of the most conservative corporate Dems to pass anything, and could completely ignore the progressive party. You'd have Trump as president, since progressives and Dems would have split their votes between their two candidates. And, you'd have Pence as the tie breaker in the senate, making it a Republican senate. On the other hand, getting only 15 more progressive seats, within the Dem caucus, would make them the majority, would allow them to pick the party speaker candidate, would allow them to set the party agenda and, if also the majority of the house, put forward whatever bills you want and pick committee members. You know those committees that Dore doesn't consider important. Pelosi actually introduced M4A last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees, where it died, where 90% of bills die. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it has again been sent to committees. Instead of pressuring, calling out, or protesting, committee members to take up the bill, what are Dore, and his knobs, doing? Slandering AOC and Bernie, who were just trying to add another progressive vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned. The paths Dore takes, or proposes, seem to benefit the far right most.
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fa q SMRT Dore: Abandon Nina Turner, abandon adding another M4A yes vote to congress, because that's what "real" pro-M4A progressives do.
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fa q Entirely true. Jimmy is almost always wrong.
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fa q Not voting Biden would let Trump win. If you don't think Trump is further right, then you're dumber than a stump.
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fa q Yeah, I read that you're clueless, just fine.
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fa q Dore's own argument for Trump being better for progressives than Clinton, was based on Trump being far worse. The worse the president, the bigger the progressive backlash, was Dore's "thinking". Except, people were so desperate to get rid of Trump, they fell for the "more electable" nonsense. The progressive movement behind Bernie came after Obama. There's no evidence that a worse president is required, and all Dore's predictions were false. Trump cared about profits over people, leading to hundreds of thousands of Americans dying. Trump wanted to toss millions off of Medicaid expansion. Trump had major tax cuts for corporations and the rich. Trump put in further right wing judges all over the country, and in the supreme court. Trump wanted to overthrow the democratic process and install himself as a fascist dictator. How is he not?
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fa q Just how dense are you? People being desperate to oppose and get rid of Trump, was part of Jimmy's own argument, dimwit, except he falsely predicted it would lead to a progressive wave. Rofl, so you think people just really really loved Joe Biden, do you? His numbers had nothing to do with people wanting to get rid of Trump?
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fa q Rofl, Bernie has always said he'd support whatever Dem candidate won. If you didn't know that, then you weren't listening. He's a harm reductionist, like Chomsky, and you're plain ignorant. So, after Dore's 2018 house and senate predictions failed , you think it's entirely the fault of covid, that his presidency prediction also failed? Rofl. Apt, you talking about Jimmy like that other cult leader.
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fa q So, Biden is also trying to toss over 10m Americans off of Medicaid expansion? Biden's tax plan is cutting more taxes for the rich and corporations, or keeping them the same? Biden hasn't introduced an infrastructure bill, and instead just keeps saying it's coming in a couple weeks? Weird. Rofl, I never watch either of those, dimit.
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fa q And whether, or not, Bernie and Chomsky are wrong, that doesn't change the fact that they've been following and promoting that philosophy, for some time, and you must be a complete and utter moron for thinking Bernie was lying when he said he'd support whichever Dem candidate won.
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@sergeikhripun You're following a grifter who promoted Trump (let's toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (let's add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion), who promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), who ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's (still wanting to toss millions off of Medicaid expansion) only remaining viable opponent Biden (public option and Medicare expansion), and who just abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. He regularly doesn't back the better healthcare plan, but passes himself off as the one true champion of healthcare.
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fa q Dore wanted to let Trump win, and move outright backwards, dumb dumb. That's not better than Biden. That's not being left of Biden. That's being a far right grifter. Even Chomsky has repeatedly argued to vote for harm avoidance. You Dore knobs have disowned yourselves from basically everyone on the left.
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@nfb4027 And? Did Reagan turn out to be a better option than another Carter Term? Did Dubya turn out to be the better option than Gore? Did Trump turn out to be the better option than Clinton? What's your point? Treat the Dem primaries as the important elections, put whoever wins in office, and keep Republicans out of office.
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