Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Enough About Jimmy Dore! Forcing Medicare For All Vote is a GOOD IDEA" video.
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The "messenger" is smearing anyone who doesn't whole heartedly agree with his tactics. The woman who took out the #2 corporate Dem, who got challenged again by a DCCC backed corporate Dem and won, who started her own progressive PAC, who just used that PAC to get even more progressives elected to congress, who's a member of the DSA which has been holding M4A rallies, ... she's a "shill"?
If you, at all, doubt the strategy of the political mastermind who promoted Trump as better than Clinton, and claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump fills multiple scotus seats, then you're a "fake", "sellout", or "shill"? Piss off Jimmy Dore.
The moron doesn't even know it would be possible for Pelosi, or even McCarthy, to win, if things weren't done just right, and somehow coordinated with both Republicans and all the corporate Dems. The speaker has to win the majority of votes cast, not the majority of the house. House members abstaining changes the number of votes needed to win. His plan isn't risk free. Considering forcing a vote guaranteed to lose not worth the potential risks, doesn't make someone a "shill".
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@Aj-zr8dz Jimmy recently argued himself that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than deliver to progressives. That's an argument against his own plan. If they'd rather things fail to the right than succeed to the left, that indicates progressives have less political leverage than he's claiming they have.
I get that people are frustrated with the slow build up of progressives in congress, wish it could go faster, etc., but remember that Jimmy has an agenda too ... the People's Party. Making out like progressives aren't doing what they can, that they're "fakes", that they're "shills", etc., because of a tactics disagreement, plays into his argument for a People's Party ... which would have to start from scratch, and have even less power. He thinks fascists and neolibs are samesies, even promoted the fascist as a better option, in 2016. He thought Jill Stein had an actual shot at becoming president. He underestimates just how horribly worse Republicans can be, and overestimates how much influence and power underdog progressives, or third parties, have.
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@Aj-zr8dz Do you mean build coalitions by doing things like having your progressive PAC help get more progressives elected to congress, or do you mean build coalitions by calling other progressives "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills" over a tactics disagreement?
Ideas from discussions? AOC reaches 10m people (40x more than Jimmy) with every tweet, not to mention other social media. Her enemies even help spread her ideas all the time. Jimmy "trending" one thing, that barely anyone outside progressive circles is talking about, that has mostly just caused infighting, doesn't even compare. His retweets are mostly in the hundreds, and not over 2k. She had a single M4A tweet retweeted 70 fucking thousand times. That's worth more than 35 of Jimmy's few most shared tweets.
What the ... ? People Party pusher, Jimmy Dore, pitted himself against progressives in congress. In 2016, he also pushed the Green Party, even pushed Trump over Clinton. He obviously doesn't actually give a fuck about winning anytime soon. He's obviously fully prepared to start from scratch, and even willing to let a "maniacal fascist", and a psycho fascist cult, run the show, and let the Democrat party fail, for however many years it would take for a third party to even get one seat in congress, let alone enough seats to pass any of their own bills. And, yes, he pointed at how much popularity Bernie gained in a little amount of time, and tried arguing Stein could possibly do it too, and maybe even become president.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/jillstein/comments/4vwr6p/jimmy_dore_president_jill_stein_its_more_possible/
Trump has dropped more bombs than Obama, and Dubya killed more people than both of them combined. Who are these worse neolibs you speak of?
You say I'm misrepresenting him, etc., over and over, but don't really get into detailing how, exactly. It's funny, though, reading a Dore fan go on about "character assassination", while defending Dore.
Yeah, so let's trash the most progressive politicians in congress!!! That'll show those oligarchs!!!
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@Aj-zr8dz Yeah, Trump and Bush aren't libs of any kind. US intervention, and the refugee crises started in Yemen, Somalia, Phillipines, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, before Obama. And, although Obama was responsible for the deaths of far too many people, himself, there's no indication there would have been a Syrian civil war, for him to get involved with, or a rise of ISIS, which started under Bush, if the region hadn't been destabalized by Bush.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2020/Displacement_Vine%20et%20al_Costs%20of%20War%202020%2009%2008.pdf
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@Aj-zr8dz And I, literally, listed Syria as starting under Obama. Don't know why you're rambling on about it. Seriously, you know that, even amongst fascists, one can be worse than another, right? Hitler was worse than Mussolini, by miles. They weren't samesies. Sure, the US has been dancing near the edge of lake fascism for decades, but you have to be fucking insane to think being at the water's edge, even dipping a toe in, isn't worse by far, than being a little further away on the beach.
You didn't actually provide an example of neolibs getting away with more crimes against humanity, killing more people, or anything of the sort. A bunch of the stuff you listed for Obama started under Bush. You can't even show they're just as bad, or worse, when it comes to foreign policy, let alone national policy.
I don't know why you're even trying. Jimmy, himself, called Trump a "maniacal fascist". That's what he argued would be better for progressives than a neolib ... exactly because the "maniacal fascist" is worse. The idiot thought it would be a great idea to put a "maniacal fascist" in charge, to drive people left. He thought even the less fascist Republicans would jump on board and join the left to work against the "maniacal fascist". No. Didn't happen. Jimmy's 2016 "plan", if anyone followed it, turned Republicans even more fascist, caused a rise in hate crimes, caused a rise in right wing terrorism, caused stupid trade wars, caused multiple scotus seats to be filled, caused an incompetent covid response killing tens of thousands of fellow Americans, etc. If Dore convinced absolutely anyone in a 2016 swing state to vote Trump, to vote Stein, or even to not vote, then he is partly responsible for all that ... plus, dropping more bombs abroad.
For someone who did their best to help bring all that about, to act like they are the fucking King of progressives, and call anyone not agreeing with him "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills", is bullshit. He doesn't really know how politics works. As I said, he doesn't even grasp that corporate Dems being more willing to lose to Republicans than work with progressives, is actually an argument against his own plan. His plan partly hinges on corporate Dems rather working with progressives than losing to Republicans. It partly hinges on them not propagandizing a paralyzed house against progressives, and the whole thing turning out worse for progressives. It partly hinges on a totally unknown amount of outrage ... what if there is hardly any, except amongst progressives? And sustained outrage, 2 years from now ... what if it does off?
He's doing his best to trash the credibility of progressive politicians, who have done far more than him, all over a tactics disagreement, and a plan that isn't a completely risk free slam dunk.
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