Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "AOC Blocked From Powerful Committee Position" video.

@torfinnzempel6123 Yeah. I, literally, just said she's not trying to be friends.
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@Aj-zr8dz How the hell can you get a different Dem caucus pick for speaker without the majority, when it's chosen by majority?
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@Aj-zr8dz The corporate Dem majority is more likely to pick someone worse, rather than someone more progressive. Even Glenn Greenwald agreed with keeping Pelosi if the alternative is someone like Tim Ryan. How do progressives get someone more progressive, without the majority?
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AOC backed progressives who primaried against DCCC backed corporate Dems. She's not trying to be "friends", but does have to find a way to work with others, to get anything done.
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@TahtahmesDiary Well, she also backed Bernie against their guy in the primaries, and backed other progressives against their DCCC backed corporate Dems in the congressional primaries. She didn't, exactly, play nice. Taking the lesser of two evils route, in the general, isn't necessarily "being nice", either. It could just be being pragmatic. Another Trump term could have ended the ACA and millions getting healthcare coverage, could have killed thousands of more Americans from covid than should be, doesn't get you the small gains of lowering the Medicare age and single payer, getting millions more on government healthcare insurance. We already knew, from the history of Bernie campaigning for Clinton, that they quickly forget the general election support and remain bitter about the primary opposition. After all that, she still has to find a way to work with others, to accomplish anything in the next 2 years. That's harder to do if you go full scorched earth on the party. It could even backfire.
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It was her punishment for using her platform and PAC to go against DCCC backed corporate Dems and help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is exactly what needs doing, failed vote or no failed vote. Threatening to paralyze the house might just get you them letting you, and then blaming you for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic.
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@acharris Just freeze the government, have people pissed they aren't getting money to survive, and that will bring tons of people over to progressivism? Just how delusional are Dore fans?
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I think you're all delusional as to just how much leverage progressives actually have. You all know Pelosi can just let progressives paralyze the house, and then blame them for no new covid relief, no minimum wage increase, no Medicare age decrease, etc., etc., etc., right?
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@Aj-zr8dz Remaining few? Corporate Dems are still the majority of Democrats. The majority of the Dem caucus picked Pelosi. Progressives can keep sending it back to caucus, but have no actual way of voting her out there, or someone worse, because they don't have a majority. Even the majority of Dem voters just picked Biden over Bernie. Progressive numbers are growing, but they don't yet have the power some people seem to think, and corporate Dems aren't rolling over dead quite yet.
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@Aj-zr8dz Yeah, you do need to convince the majority to get rid of her, or they can just keep picking her over and over, let you paralyze the house, and blame you when people are desperate for more covid relief.
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@Aj-zr8dz Other than getting more progressives elected to Congress, exactly like AOC just helped do, until you get the majority, you can't force the majority to do anything in caucus. You can paralyze the house and keep sending it back to caucus, but there you have no power again. They can just let you paralyze the house and blame you when people start asking for more covid relief. Dore and Kyle also argue that Pelosi would rather work with Republicans than progressives, and is the queen of backroom deals, but then don't seem to consider the possibility of Pelosi simply making a backroom deal with Republicans. She could give them something in exchange for 20 Republicans playing sick, reducing the threshold needed to win, and easily dodge the progressive threat.
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@Aj-zr8dz A Tim Ryan isn't exactly "less established". Parties generally pick amongst senior members to be speaker.
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@WeAreIt Yeah, finally M4A is an established part of mainstream political conversation, and progressives are adding multiple seats to their numbers each election, THAT'S the time to bail and start yet another third party that won't even get a single seat in 50 years. Jimmy Dore: I'm so impatient, I'm going to take the longest fucking road possible to reach my destination!!! That'll show em!!!
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@WeAreIt Adding multiple new yes votes in a single election is a full slice of bread, compared to starting from scratch.
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@Aj-zr8dz What do you mean wouldn't last as long? Pelosi says this is her last ride as speaker. Swapping Tim Ryan in now would likely give him more of a chance to stay in longer than her 2 years left.
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@Scepticalasfuk You work for a third party that just wants to slander progressive politicians, destroy confidence in them, start from scratch, and not even win a seat in the house in 50 years, let alone get M4A?
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You know the only way to ever actually pass M4A is to get enough votes in congress, right? Getting more pro-M4A candidates elected to congress, which she just helped do, is pretty much the most important thing you can do. Even if you have a failed vote, that would still be the main thing that would need doing.
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@abelgonzalez158 Yeah, I just said that, vote or no vote, replacing corporate Dems, which she just helped do, is still the main thing that needs doing. The bill will be reintroduced in the next session, and you'll get a new list of people who won't sign onto it, during a pandemic, already. Almost 100 more people need replacing in the house alone. Finding 100 new pro-M4A candidates to run, and backing them, is more important than trying to ferret out a few fakes. All it took was one reporter's question to get Biden on the public record saying he'd veto M4A. It didn't take threatening to paralyze the house, and possibly having to go through with that.
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@abelgonzalez158 That's what I said, threaten to paralyze the house for a vote. No, that wouldn't necessarily lose her the speakership. It would go back to the Dem caucus, where corporate Dems have the majority, and progressives have no power to block the majority, and they can keep picking her over and over and over, while letting you paralyze the house over and over and over, and then blame you for no new covid relief, no minimum wage increase, etc., to help ease people's suffering during a pandemic ... you know they, and the corporate media, would propagandize the shit out of it, making progressives look bad in many people's eyes. Dore and Kyle have even argued Pelosi would rather work with Republicans than progressives and that she's the queen of backroom deals. She could just cut a backroom deal with Republicans, in exchange for enough of them to say home, or abstain, to lower the threshold needed to win. It isn't risk free and the only possible outcomes pluses.
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