Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Tweets Of The Week | YouTube Sellouts; Conservative Projection; u0026 More" video.
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@roberttelford745 As usual? Either you've been stalking me for all of 2 hrs, and this is all you've read, or you're a stalker with terrible timing, who keeps missing all the good stuff.
If someone equates "hold their own accountable in a principled way" to the strawmen, slander, and bullshit, that Dore spouts, then it's like talking to a Trump cultist. Anyone who questions, contradicts, or disagrees on tactics, with Supreme Leader Dore, is a "fake", "fraud", "shill", "betrayer", "coward", "sellout", or whatever, and isn't pure enough to be a "real" progressive anymore. Just like the Trump cult calling people RINOs. You lot should try and get PINO trending.
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@roberttelford745 "Russiagate", with a Republican leading the investigation, produced some 200 pages of documented information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to illegal conspiracy, and only didn't indict Jr and Kushner because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. Thinking Republicans like Mueller, the DNC, the FBI, and Australian officials, all teamed up to take out Trump, just so Pence could be president, is the nutty conspiracy.
Multiple UN investigations, and numerous NGOs operating in Syria, support the chemical weapons claim. Dore was right, because a single reporter working in Russia, said otherwise?
Arguing "free speech" on privately owned property is a completely garbage argument. There's no such thing, because you don't have a right to be on their private property in the first place. Make an argument for public ownership, if your a "real" leftist, rather than going on Tucker's show and agreeing with the moronic and contradictory right wingers.
And AOC just got done campaigning for Bernie and his M4A, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She used her platform and PAC to back 20 other progressives, helped take out a few more corporate Dems, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. That's exactly what you need to do to ever pass a bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even if there was a guaranteed to fail vote. Dore, the new one and only true champion of healthcare, didn't give a crap if 10m of the poorest Americans might lose their Medicaid expansion, didn't care to add 40m more older Americans to Medicare, and doesn't give a crap about leading people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. All or nothing often gets you nothing. One of those MPP puritan leaders even recently left the MPP, because he decided even they weren't pure enough for him. He'll go along way with his party of one. Reducing your number of allies down to as few pure people as possible isn't a winning strategy.
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@roberttelford745 Whatever amount it affected the election outcome is irrelevant to the fact that it happened. 29 Russians indicted, 3 Russian companies, the other things I mentioned above, none of which you refuted. Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for lying to congress, with no underlying criminal charge. Mueller, a Republican, also laid out evidence that could be considered obstruction, but said they couldn't indict a sitting president.
No. Multiple UN inspections concluded there were chemical attacks. HRW and Doctors Without Borders are amongst NGOs that also corroborate chemical weapons attacks. All of which spoke out against the US, when it came to WMDs in Iraq. Now they've all joined the US to spew fake propaganda is what Dore wants you to believe?
FTV was much ado about nothing. You already had a list of names of those in congress that wouldn't sign the M4A bill. If Dore had 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates laying around, why didn't he run them in the election that just happened? When Pelosi introduced the bill to congress, last session, and it quietly died in committees, where 90% of bills die, why wasn't that, at least, used against all the committee members who didn't push it through? Progressives just got the $15 minimum wage to stay in the covid bill for one round of voting. Now you've got a list of those who voted against. So, what's the Dore plan? Oh, to sit on his ass, in his garage, and whine about those who voted for it, rather than those who voted against. Now, getting a vote isn't worth anything, to him. Dore knobs make out like a guaranteed to fail vote was itself M4A. It isn't. And, like I said, you'd then still have to do exactly what AOC did ... work to replace as many as you can with pro-M4A progressives.
Slandering someone as a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "shill", "betrayer", etc., isn't "a bit of criticism", ffs. It's the kind of thing that got Republicans, who said the election was fine, death threats, when Trump spoke that way about them. Luckily, Dore isn't as influential as he thinks. Trump, who Dore promoted as a better option for progressives than Clinton, not caring if 10m Americans lost their public healthcare, and not caring to add 40m to public healthcare ... and now pretends like he's the one true champion of healthcare. He's a joke. He minimized the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left in blocking the Trump agenda. Reality is, most followed him into overt fascism. Dore claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan, before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats. Reality is, the moon is still where it should be. And, he overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to a progressive wave that would, "for sure", take the house, senate, and presidency. Reality is, progressives made slight gains, with no evidence they couldn't have made similar gains without a Trump presidency.
Seriously, minimizing your allies to as few puritans as possible, isn't going to get you anything. At best, you peel off enough progressive voters from the Dem party to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, while your new third party sits on the sidelines. That benefits progressives how? They're the backwards party. It's the party that wants to move in the completely opposite direction.
There's no such thing as "free speech" on private property. Again, argue for public ownership, if you want that right. Someone claiming to be a far lefty, like Dore, should have public ownership in their repertoire. Instead, he's using contradictory right wing talking points. Also, inciting violence isn't even protected speech, to begin with.
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@roberttelford745 Rofl, I don't watch CNN. Dore would be proud of the strawmanning. I didn't say the DNC was an ally. It's Bernie, AOC, and others who campaigned against the DNC and DCCC backed corporate Dems, who are still allies. But, no, they're no longer pure enough for you lot.
The broader progressive caucus is 30 years old and 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they could then pick the party speaker candidate, and run the house, if still in the majority party. Justice Dems are 4 years old and have helped add a few of the most progressive seats in each of the last couple elections. AOC has been around 2 years and just helped add a few of the most progressive seats to congress in the last election. What a perfect time to ditch them all, start from scratch, have no seats, and no ability to introduce a single bill, no ability to add a single amendment, no ability to vote on even a single bill, and likely not have a single seat for decades to come. A winning strategy ... the winners being corporate Dems and Republicans. Weird how Dore strategies benefit those he claims to hate, most.
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@roberttelford745 Manchin has more power because of math, btw. There are zero extra votes to be gained moving left, because there's nobody to the left of the most progressive members. There is the entire Republican party on the right. If push comes to shove, the right side wins. For example, if the $15 min went into house-senate negotiations, with Manchin pushing $11, and a number of Republicans willing to sign on for $10, guess which way negotiations would go? And, if $11 or $10 were passed, then minimum wage would likely be considered dealt with, until 2025. As is, now people should be pressuring Manchin, and the other 7 conservative senators. Then, reintroduce a stand alone minimum wage bill, if you can push them left, rather than let them take negotiations right.
I wouldn't hold your breath, while you're waiting for Jimmy.
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