Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Rand Paul Caught With Revealing Investment After YouTube Suspension" video.
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There's a difference between Dore's claimed positions and what he actually does.
He promoted Trump as the better option in 2016, which could only benefit Trump. He clearly didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would leads to progressives "for sure" taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong), and he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). All of that only benefited the far right.
During the 2020 primaries, he backed Tulsi over Bernie, which didn't benefit the most progressive candidate and didn't benefit M4A.
During the 2020 general, he ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, which could only benefit Trump, the far right.
AOC, meanwhile, campaigned for Bernie, and backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives with her platform and PAC. She helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, as did the Justice Dems. Adding enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Because they didn't support his half baked plan to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, Dore slandered people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. That is of no benefit to progressives and benefits the far right.
After spending weeks slandering people over a disagreement over a secondary tactic, making out like they aren't allies, he turns around and promotes far right ancap Boogaloos, who basically disagree on all economics, are the complete economic opposites to socialists, as potential allies, because they agree on a few anti-authoritarian issues. And, I have to say, for someone his age to be shocked and amazed that ancappers agree on some anti-authoritarian issues with ansocs, means he is a complete ignoramus. That only benefits the far right, and is how you wind up on the wrong end of a Night of the Long Knives.
He doesn't simply go on Tucker. He largely agrees with Tucker, and doesn't challenge him. That only benefits Tucker and the far right.
AOC and Bernie were just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, trying hard to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Dore abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and slandered AOC and Bernie with a video stating they both abandoned M4A. In fact, it was Dore and M4A marchers that abandoned Nina, who was having rallies with AOC, both promoting M4A, that same day. Abandoning Nina, and abandoning adding more votes to congress, is of no benefit to progressives.
After weeks of making out like just getting a vote on an important progressive policy would be great, making out like getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy would be great ... progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote ... Dore and his knobs turn around and make out like a vote and list of no voters is useless, and just keep bitchimg about, and slandering, those who got it to stay in for a round of voting, and who voted for it. He, and his knobs, proved they're nothing but a bunch of pathetic useless hypocrites, that are of no benefit to progressives.
The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC, who has been at it 2 years, helped replace a few more corporate Dems. Dore promotes a third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, that hasn't won the most popular progressive third party a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments, and zero votes on even a single bill, for what? For some fantasy that a third party candidate, like Kyrsten Sinema was, is going to be perfectly perfect and incorruptible?
And, there's more. Dore is a joke.
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Dore and Greenwald ... Them ranting about "free speech" is ridiculous. There's no such thing as "free speech" on someone else's private property. You don't have a right to be on their private property, to begin with, so you never had a right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. Glenn whining about "free speech" and editors asking for editorial rewrites (literally part of the job of editors, since the dawn of publishing) is outright moronic. If Dore was an actual leftist, he should be using the absence of free speech on social media to promote public ownership, instead of just agreeing with Tucker over the poor treatment of Trump (incitement isn't even protected speech in a public forum, but Dore didn't argue Trump did anything wrong).
Dlore and Mate ... Aaron is being an idiot. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2012. There have been dozens of UN investigations, that didn't assign blame, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of follow up, blame assigning, investigations, that assigned blame to Syria, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, etc. In 2018, alone, there was a chemical weapon attack, just the month before the one Aaron whines about. It had an investigation, that didn't assign blame, with zero dissenting opinions. It had a follow up, blame assigning investigation, that assigned blame to Syria, with zero dissenting opinions. Then there's the investigation Aaron is going on about ... Israel, the US, the UK, and France, had all started bombing before inspectors even made it to the sites. The final report, which didn't assign blame, wasn't released until almost a year later. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, and 2 dissenting opinions doesn't even debunk that single investigation, let alone all the previous chemical weapons uses, including the one just the month before, that could have been used as grounds for war crimes violations. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" is much ado about nothing.
They're all loons.
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@jamespoon2656 AOC backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, in the last election cycle. She was just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A while doing it, trying to add another. Adding enough yes votes to congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Jimmy took the opportunity to yet again slander her and say she abandoned M4A, meanwhile it was him who abandoned Nina and abandoned trying to add another yes vote to congress. Did the people "behind closed doors" want Nina elected? If so, then they don't sound too bad. If not, then you're spouting nonsense.
Jimmy didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" over Bernie and M4A ... for him to turn around and portray himself as the one true champion of healthcare, and slander anyone who disagrees with him on even a single secondary tactic, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", "betrayers", etc., is the joke. It's a lousy "fighter" that punches those closest to his claimed position the most, and promotes those far removed from his position as allies, the better option, or just doesn't punch them at all.
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@OliverCaesar If adding more M4A yes votes to congress ... exactly what you'd still need to do even after a failed show vote
... is "inaction", then you've reduced ftv to simply having a failed show vote followed by inaction. It's a moronic argument that makes ftv even more pointless and moronic than it already was.
You think this guy Jimmy interviewed, who has praised shooting antifa, and blm, protesters won't praise people shooting you?
"In fact, a Michigan anti-fascist group had followed this Boogaloo member for months and had previously revealed that Dore’s interviewee had publicly defended fascist Kyle Rittenhouse. The Boogaloo member said that other people should “learn how to do that,” referencing Rittenhouse’s murder of two anti-police violence demonstrators in Kenosha, Wisconsin in August 2020. The individual also praised fascist militia gun range sessions, called “Rittenhouse drills,” and defended Steve Baca, the fascist who shot anti-police violence protesters in New Mexico in June 2020."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/29/dore-j29.html
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@RecMike Bullshit.
The civil rights act was preceded by years of protests. The bill had majority support. The bill was introduced late in the session and a minority filibustered until the end of session. The bill was immediately reintroduced the next session, they filibustered about 50 more days, and then the majority passed it. It didn't fail a vote.
Women's suffrage was also preceded by years of protests and activism. Multiple states had already given women voting rights. The first vote was not purely for show, but to find out how everyone would vote. The parties weren't as partisan as they are now. It was brought up for a vote by the majority who supported it, not some minority of congress threatening to paralyze the house if it wasn't. It also got a majority of the vote but, being a constitutional amendment, it needed a super majority, which it didn't get. The bill was literally held back the next session, because they didn't think they had enough votes, and saw absolutely no reason to have a purely performance art vote. They thought they had enough votes the next session, but it failed by 2 votes. It passed the following session.
And, in neither of those cases did the movements constantly attack and slander its biggest congressional supporters. Those examples are totally false equivalencies. Dore knobs have endless false equivalencies, bullshit strawmen, and slander.
The current parties are quite partisan. You know absolutely no Republicans will vote for M4A. And, most of corporate Dems have also openly campaigned against it, and refuse to cosponsor the bill. There's no big mystery as to how everyone will vote. No chance it might pass. You've got a list of members who won't cosponsor the bills. Convert or replace them. Where were the extra 100+ viable progressive candidates Dore has laying around, that he could have run in the election that just happened? You've also got a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill (Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill to congress ... she introduced it to congress last session, as well, where it died in those committees). Pressure and protest them, until they take up the bill, instead of slandering and protesting M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. Do something constructive instead of destructive.
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