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@joshualocicero6799 Bernie is centre-left, not far left. He points to centrist European countries to emulate, with mixed economies. He doesn't call for total economic equality and an end of capitalism, which would be the actual extreme left. In reality, there is no extreme left in US politics. On the other hand, there are numerous extreme right, Ayn Randian, politicians in US politics. So, US politics ranges from far right to centre-left, and simply agreeing with a few of Bernie's suggestions doesn't make one a leftist. Conservatives in most developed countries still agree with having a public health care system. They might not be extreme right economically, but they're still on the right. Everything left of far right isn't "left". Fascists using language to try and sway workers to their side is exactly the way it worked the first time around. Nazis, for one, weren't socialists any more than North Korea is democratic, simply because the word is in their party name. They may not have been extreme Ayn Randian on economics, but they were still right wing. They destroyed unions, and socialists, communists, and unionists, were the first people they tossed into camps. One of their main arguments against Jews, one of the main reasons they hated them, was that a Jew, Marx, came up with socialism. Playing to the workers was just bullshit, the same as when Republicans do it. Fascists were actually backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and most church leaders. They were leaders in privatization, turning public tax dollars into private profits. But you can't win elections with only those votes. You have to con some idiots to your side. As well as simply lying about being on the side of workers, which they aren't, they use other rhetoric, like extreme nationalism, including an ideal national identity. That ideal being "brave" white male heterosexual Christians taking back "their" country. But they're actually cowards, afraid of people different than them. Spencer has heaped tons of praise on Trump. He's not a freaking leftist.
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@joshualocicero6799 Pretty sure I included an argument, and you clearly don't know the definition of "ad hominem". "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism" ~ Mussolini
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@joshualocicero6799 "After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology" "Therefore Fascism is opposed to Socialism"
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@joshualocicero6799 “It was the Jew who discovered Marxism. It is the Jew who for decades past has endeavored to stir up world revolutions through the medium of Marxism. It is the Jew who is today at the head of Marxism in all the countries of the world. Only in the brain of a nomad who is without nation, race and country could this Satanism have been hatched.” ~ Goebbels
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@joshualocicero6799 I'm pretty sure Bernie wants health care and living wages for everyone, not just a white male Christian elite. You have to remember that Spencer's minimum wage wouldn't apply to a third of the country. His health care wouldn't apply to a third of the country. In his ideal state, women also can't vote and they'll be back in the kitchen, with a husband, so a living wage won't even apply to half of the white folks. That doesn't sound the same, economically, at all.
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@joshualocicero6799 Ugh ... 1. You have zero clue what an ad hom is ... https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html 2. I never personally claimed Marx invented socialism, you daft twat. I stated that's what the Nazis argued, and one of the reasons they gave for hating Jews. That's just a fact, which I am 100% correct about. I already pointed that out to you, but you were too stupid to grasp it. I made a statement about Nazis, not Marx. Please grasp that this time. 3. Seriously ... arguing that people should just accept their lot in life, give up the class struggle, not fight the upper class, and simply work hard to better yourself, is not freaking socialism, in any sense of the word. That's right wing "American Dream" style bullshit, which doesn't tell you that only outliers manage to change their economic position in life. The vast majority stay in the same bracket their entire lives. Turning public tax dollars into private profits is not socialism, in any sense of the word. That's pretty much the opposite. Confiscating the property and businesses of minority citizens and handing them to your big business backers is not socialism in any sense of the word. Handing your industrialist buddies slave labour is not socialism in any sense of the word. Owning people is a capitalist endeavor. 4. Economics that only apply to a few, is far different than economics that apply to everyone. Even if his country was entirely white, I already pointed out that women wouldn't benefit economically. They'd be nobodies without husbands, and then wives. Screwing 50% of the population seems quite different than Bernie, economically. If we were talking democracy, and one said everyone could vote, and the other said every man could vote, those wouldn't be the same thing. If women can't work, and can't benefit from a minimum wage hike, etc., then their economic policies aren't at all the same. Plus, they've outright said that they need to win people over on the left so, like earlier fascists, and like Republican, and many Democrat, politicians, they're likely just full of shit. What do you consider yourself? Please don't say ancap.
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@joshualocicero6799 "anarchist" Anarcho-capitalism or anarcho-socialism? Simply "anarchist" usually applies to the later. I'm an "anarchist" (the later).
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@joshualocicero6799 I can only assume you mean the later, then, since it was the original "anarchism". If you do a box or circle political compass, with left-right economics and high-low authoritarianism, bottom left and bottom right are totally different creatures. Ancap is nutty, and devolves into feudalism. Nothing wrong with pointing out they're very different.
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@Palau_Legend Why are you a fan? Do you have any examples of him saying something intelligent?
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@Palau_Legend In context, I'm looking for something intelligent enough to be worthy of fandom. Not that he was intelligent enough to point out that a blue ball was blue.
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@Palau_Legend Isn't he an ideologue to his religion, though? He's extremely religious. Adhering so strongly to those beliefs will put him on one side of an argument about a lot of things. Do you think he's actually open to having those beliefs challenged? He didn't seem up for it, here.
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@joshualocicero6799 Umm, I'm not wrong. It's in the Nazi propaganda, dummy. You can argue they were wrong, but that won't change the fact that it is one of the reasons they gave for hating them. Ummm, Mussolini was booted from socialists groups and outright defined fascism as the complete opposite of Marxian socialism, dimwit.
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@joshualocicero6799 Feudalism started up outside the boundaries of a state. With no government of the people above them, private individuals, with their private armies, claiming private property, went around doing whatever the hell they liked. You do know that monarchies are private enterprises, right? It happened again in the US, on the Western frontier. Beyond the rule of law and government, some nice little settlements popped up, but so did cattle barons. They hired their private armies of cowboys, and threw their weight around. They got into wars with farmers and sheep herders. It only came to an end with the law and military moving in. Some places it went on into the 20th century. Without that intervention, it would have just continued.
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@joshualocicero6799 Me: explains how capitalist communities without law and order also devolved into feudalism on the Western frontier. You: you didn't explain how ancap devolves into feudalism. An absolute monarchy is not really a government. It is a form of governance not much different than a private corporation. The owner of the company claims property and resources. They can make rules for living on their private property. They can charge whatever rent they want on their private property. They can hire private security to enforce the rules and collect the rent on their private property. They can hire private militaries to protect their private property and interests. Etc. There are zero rules against any of that in ancap. It's like owning a very large apartment building without government interference. To say none of that is okay under ancap is to say people can't own apartment buildings, set rent, make rules, and protect said apartment, under ancap. Now, if two of these folks have differences, there is no legal body they have to answer to, to settle the dispute. They can settle it anyway they want. If they can't come to a private agreement, then they may pit their private armies against each other. If one apartment owner claims the neighbouring apartment is also theirs, what governing legal body will settle the dispute? None. If the US switched to ancap tomorrow, is there any rule saying Amazon, and other corporations, can't buy up as much of the US military as they can afford? No. What is wrong with a direct democracy? How would you ever decide to go ancap without at least one vote? Lol
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@joshualocicero6799 Well, these corporations already exist, and already own tons of property and resources. What would you do, force them to disband, before going ancap? And, they're either paying billions a year in taxes, which they could divert to security without a tax system in place, or they're already dodging taxes and accumulating billions a year, which they could divert to security. They wouldn't have to pay employee health care, and could divert that, as well. They wouldn't be required to follow safety or environmental regulations, and could cut costs by using cheaper less safe materials, or methods, and dump waste in the nearest river, or whatnot, and divert that money, as well. It's also giant corporations making the vast majority of weapons and military equipment. Why wouldn't those corporations team up with other corporations to keep the elite in power, even without a government? It seems, to me, that they'd likely form alliances, and wouldn't go down without a fight, including fighting alternative markets and small competitors. Would this also happen in a bubble, on a global scale, or would there be foreign governments they could also team up with, to help throw their weight around? Would it be somehow illegal, and somehow enforced, to team up with foreign militaries?
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@gbangerlove I proved exactly what I said about Nazi propaganda was not wrong, with a factual quote, you daft twatwaffle. Joshua proved he has no clue what an ad hom is, proved he has reading comprehension problems, proved he doesn't actually know how Musollini defined fascism ... which I also provided factual quotes for, proving what I said ... proved he doesn't know how fascism played out in action, proved he doesn't know Spencer's position on everything relevant to economics, etc. Not sure what you're reading. Lol If you think all the other developed countries in the world, which have public health care ... if you think all their conservative parties, which also support said public health care ... which Bernie wants to emulate, are far left, then you're dumber than a fucking stump. Spain has communist politicians in its Left United coalition, that outright want to work towards ending capitalism outright. That's far left you twit. Bernie has never said anything even remotely close. Those are the facts. You must just be so far right that you can't see beyond centre and think that's far left.
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@gbangerlove What the fuck? We're discussing Richard Spencer, you dumb fuck. How the hell does simply stating exactly what he, the racist, wants to achieve, in turn perpetuate racism?
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@gbangerlove Your first reply to me outright lies about me, then calls me ignorant, and now you're whining about having civil discourse? Are you Ben Shapiro, or something? Repeatedly saying "you're wrong" isn't an argument Brainiac. I backed up my arguments, as I've already pointed out.
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