Comments by "" (@TheHuxleyAgnostic) on "Florida Mom HORRIFIED by COVID Hellscape" video.
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@FuddlyDud 1) Corrected me about what data? I didn't post before yours. Glad we agree that we can also reduce pediatric flu deaths with covid measures. Win win.
2) Yes, what I said is actually true. I described lab results, and you didn't debunk those results. Lab results are the best for telling whether masks are effective, if used properly, because there are generally also other measures taking place out in the real world, so it's harder to dissect. People doing things wrong doesn't debunk that masks are effective. It's not an argument that masks don't work. It's an argument that some people are incompetent at mask use. If I build a car with improved safety features, proven in testing, you driving it off a 1000' cliff and obliterating the car and yourself, doesn't prove the car didn't have improved safety features. Masks are effective in reducing spread.
The US had a pathetic pandemic response, and there is a good percentage of partisan anti-maskers in almost all communities. Why would anyone really want to use real world stats from the US? Canada had a better adherence to covid rules, including mask use. Their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into 400+k fewer US covid deaths. Japan has had a heavy reliance on mask use, and their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into about 45k total US covid deaths.
France, Italy, Spain, and the UK, all didn't take the virus seriously enough, at first, much like the US, and let it get well out of control. Germany took it a little bit more seriously. Like other Western countries, none quickly resorted to mask use, and had mask shortages even for medical staff. They, instead, started resorting to quarantines and lockdowns. Germany's were more effectively implemented. It's not like Italy quickly jumped to its current rate of mask use, and it completely failed them. Italy and Spain currently have high mask rates and are currently below Germany in 7 day covid cases per capita.
How quickly countries got their testing rates (tests per confirmed case) up, also factored into isolating and quarantining carriers. The US, UK, Italy, Spain, and France had pathetic testing rates, for months, as the virus spread. The US and UK still have shitty testing rates.
Numerous Asian countries, besides Japan and China, quickly turned to masks, at a high rate of use, and have amongst the best covid outcomes in the world, even though the virus started in their region, even if they share a long border with China, like Vietnam. Before it even hit S Korea, their president was talking with corporate leaders to increase mask production. That mask use has included kids in school. Covid amongst kids in Japan actually increased 3x during their August summer break ... up from the school rate. Mississippi (pop 3m) alone had more student covid cases than all of Japan (pop 126m), in Aug. Florida (pop 21.5m) beat out Japan's entire month in just one week of Aug. It's as if Japanese kids followed the rules while in school, and those rules actually helped, and then they let loose a bit during break.
What are you even talking about with FL and CA being the same, anyway? FL has an above US average 2366 deaths per million, while CA has a below US average 1720 dpm. FL currently has a 74/100k daily cases average, while CA has a 27/100k daily cases average. Florida is the only state where more people are dying now than at any previous time during the pandemic. What are you looking at that makes you think they're close to the same?
3) What? Billions earmarked for schools have been in every covid relief bill. Florida simply didn't submit a plan, to get the funding before school started. They didn't have a back to school covid plan.
Still no clue why you're comparing CA and FL.
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@FuddlyDud Was there a Part 1?
Locking down doesn't simply have to do with time, ffs. Italy didn't implement major widespread lockdowns until they hit hundreds of deaths. Germany implemented major widespread lockdowns when they hit dozens of deaths. Germany was quite clearly the more cautious of the two, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Oh, give me a break. The weather quite obviously doesn't have much to do with anything, like some people made out. Didn't Trumpty Dumpty say it would magically go away when the warm weather hit? Shocker ... it didn't. Doctors and scientists still don't know if there's any actual seasonality to covid. There's no evidence what you're saying actually plays a major factor. FL is hotter than California, on average, in the summer, and currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Italy and Spain are hotter than Germany, and Germany currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Covid has clearly shown it likes all weather, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Less developed countries like India and Brazil, that get very hot, but have much less air conditioning, still have horrible covid rates.
The UK is clearly islands, and they clearly sucked ass. The US is clearly effectively an island, relative to China, and they clearly let the virus come in by flights, not walking across a border, and clearly let it spread like wildfire within its own borders. It was Canada and Mexico that didn't want Americans coming into their countries, for most of the pandemic. You ignored Vietnam, which clearly isn't an island, and clearly shares one of the longest boarders directly with China, and has one of the best covid outcomes. S Korea clearly isn't an island. Canada and Germany clearly aren't islands and did much better than the US. Clearly Denmark, Finland, and Norway aren't islands and clearly did much better than the US, not to mention having 5-10x fewer covid deaths per capita than their neighbor, Sweden. There are a number of Carribean countries, that are clearly islands, and clearly aren't having as good outcomes as the non island countries I mentioned that had decent to excellent outcomes. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You're flinging poop and hoping it sticks.
Japan is actually an outlier, amongst countries the had excellent covid outcomes, in that its testing rate is actually low. They clearly relied more heavily on mask use, and other measures, and you clearly still don't know what you're talking about. On top of that, you sound paranoid. And, the topic was mask effectiveness, not mandate effectiveness. What difference does it make if the mask use is cultural? You're the one changing your argument, dumb dumb. You're moving the goalpost. Masks proved to be effective in Japan.
The outcome for an entire country, isn't quite "anecdotal", and on par with you comparing outcomes from two different states, dimwit. You're also the one who called for real world data. Not only are you completely clueless, you're a walking contradiction, a hypocrite.
What the hell are you talking about? Florida has about half the population of California, and they did spike up to about 20k in the winter while California spiked to about 40k. Florida clearly did not have a similar spike last Aug. They had a spike in July, as did California. California is having an Aug spike now, too, but Florida's is clearly far worse, with almost 50% more cases and almost half the population.
As I clearly mentioned, there is a good sized percentage of anti-mask idiots in every US community, making the US a shitty country to use real world data from, for an example of following covid rules. Do you have reading comprehension problems, on top of your other issues? Why isn't there a much larger disparity between CA and FL? Because there is a large minority in CA that are idiots and a large minority in FL that aren't idiots.
Apparently, you literally didn't read an article saying Florida was one of 5 states that didn't submit a plan, by the deadline, that would have handed them a couple billion from the covid funds dedicated to schools.
Seriously, your just pulling crap out of your ass.
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Rofl. I explained that dates don't indicate whether one was a more conservative response than the other, and you just come back and say to look at the dates again. Closing down at dozens of deaths is objectively the more conservative response than not closing down until hundreds of deaths. Italy had 366 deaths by the time of their major March 8 lockdown. Germany started various lockdowns between Mar 13-22. Germany was at 55 deaths on Mar 22. Your argument is beyond moronic.
I wasn't citing Trump as saying anything factual. I was citing him as another example of weather spewing stupidity. Just how bad are your reading comprehension problems?
I literally pointed out that Florida and California had similar spikes, relative to population. Were Floridians all huddled in their homes, due to the freezing cold Florida winter? I understood perfectly well, which is why I pointed out that it's hotter in Italy and Spain than Germany, but you wanted to reject the current trend there, because it's currently the opposite of your nonsense weather narrative. Canada had spikes in the fall and spring, as did Greece and France. Japan's last little uptick was in May, which is neither their hottest or coldest month.
You said I was wrong about the US letting the virus fly in, and countered with the fact that the US let you fly in. You're spewing gibberish, at this point. If covid was brought in by border crossers, the US spread would have looked a lot different. Japan, reported their first case within a day of the US. The US' first case was someone who flew into Washington state from Wuhan. The virus did not walk into the country. It flew in. By Mar 3, Washington state (pop 7.6m) had over twice as many deaths as Japan (pop 126m). Initial East coast clusters were traced to a Wuhan-Italy-US trip, also flying in. There's no actual evidence that the US' problem was having land borders. Yes, an ocean between China and the US, "effectively" makes it an island "relative" to China. Do you know what "effectively" and "relative" means?
Canada shares a long land border with one of the shittiest covid outcome countries in the world. Germany shares land borders with some of the shittiest covid outcomes in the EU. Vietnam shares a large land border with the virus's country of origin. Norway and Findland share borders with the shittiest Nordic country. The UK, French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Sint Maarten, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands, Saint Martin, Seychelles ... all worse than Germany. Those, plus Ireland, Trinidad & Tobago, Malta, Curacao, Saint Lucia, all worse than Canada. There are about a dozen more, including Jamaica and Bahamas, that are worse than Vietnam and Norway. Plus, even Australia, Japan, and New Zealand, have worse numbers than the country of origin, China. How a country responded played a bigger factor in how good an outcome they had, than being an island had to do with anything.
Yes, I do understand that Vietnam and S Korea are actually prepared for epidemics, unlike many other countries, and have plans in place, including mass mask use.
You sound like a psycho. Vietnam's covid deaths per capita rate would translate into under 60k total US covid deaths, instead of over 690k, and you're more worried that the government might be able to track you through the covid app on your cellphone, that you're already carrying around with you but not worried they're already tracking you with it? Oh, the horror ... this app I can freely download, and can freely delete, is showing me if I've come in contact with someone who freely enters that they've tested positive. So scary. Oh no, a government computer might know whether I'm at the variety store or at the gas station, and .... what? What comes after that?
Between you spewing contradictory gibberish and other nonsense, and now paranoid conspiracy theories, and arguing freedumb over hundreds of thousands of lives, I'm done reading your crap.
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@FuddlyDud I'll quite myself.
"France, Italy, Spain, and the UK, all didn't take the virus seriously enough, at first, much like the US, and let it get well out of control. Germany took it a little bit more seriously."
Those were the first two sentences of the point I was making, and you started blathering on about Italy's lockdown happening sooner, which doesn't show they were in any way whatsoever taking it more seriously than Germany. This was the point I continued trying to make, and you again kept diverting to the timeline. You have dishonestly tried to make out like Italy took the virus more seriously, when they clearly didn't.
Now you're just lying about about being dishonest. Stopped reading.
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@FuddlyDud Obviously meant "quote", dumb dumb. Never had a phone change a word?
Wtf are you talking about? By that same Mar 22, the Netherlands (pop 17.3m) had 179 deaths, and Germany (pop 83m) had 55. The Netherlands did shit, at the very start, and had an early shit result because of it. Then, they did take tougher measures, closing schools, banning large gatherings, mandating distancing, non essential workers work from home, first mask mandate was for public transportation and later a broader mask mandate, plus enacted serious fines for any violations.
You're still spewing bullshit. Stopped reading.
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